Re: [TeX-Music] M-Tx, number of staves
Am Freitag, 18. Juni 2010 13:04:49 schrieb Luigi Cataldi: Hermann Hinsch ha scritto: Luigi, I applied the above commands on your modified mtx source but I always got an empty grancinia.pmx. I used abcpp from WIMA. Hermann I can't say why. But there isn't a real difference from the use of a sed script. It's now ok, caused by a copy-paste error Even if I am very interesting to find a whole compatibility of MTX with PMX, in your case I think that the simplest way is to use only PMX and Musixlyr. Here is my attempt to do so. I tried this and as I have several other scores of this type to typeset I will use your advice if otherwise I might get into problems. Nevertheless I could successfully finish the Grancini-score by applying a number of corrections on the pmx file. If you are interesting you may find the preliminary result at www..rzuser.uni-heidelberg.de/~e19/QUICS.html. My whole task is part of a joint project of Gunther Morche and me. Gunther Morche is an expert of the music of the Italian seicento and posses a large number of hand written sources. Although we send most of prepared scores to WIMA we decided to have an own homepage in order to concentrate all texts at one place. The final homepage will be instead of e19 at nh0. There is one more question: How can I use the clef G8 with PMX? Hermann bye Luigi ___ tex-mu...@icking-music-archive.org mailing list If you want to unsubscribe or look at the archives, go to http://mailman.nfit.au.dk/mailman/listinfo/icking-music-archive.org-tex-music
Re: [TeX-Music] M-Tx, number of staves
Hermann Hinsch ha scritto:
Luigi, I applied the above commands on your modified mtx source but I
always got an empty
grancinia.pmx. I used abcpp from WIMA.
Hermann
I can't say why. But there isn't a real difference from the use of a sed
script.
Even if I am very interesting to find a whole compatibility of MTX with
PMX, in your case I think that the simplest way is to use only PMX and
Musixlyr. Here is my attempt to do so.
bye
Luigi
---
\input musixtex
\input pmx
\input musixlyr
\setlyrics{v1A}{%
Au-di-te po-pu-li, au-di-te, au-di-te %
quid lo-qua-tur Do-mi-nus %
quid glo-ri-a-ri in ma-li-ti-a, %
quid glo-ri-a-ri in ma-li-ti-a %
qui po-ten-tes in i-qui-ta-}
\setlyrics{v1AA}{%
tem.}
\setlyrics{v1B}{%
o stul-ti, o stul-ti a-li-quan-do %
sa-pi-te a-man-tes in-tel-li-gi-te %
ad-huc mo-cum, et pae-ca-tor-rum e-rit, %
ut um-bra trans-i-bit, vi-te ve-stra %
pes-i-bit ut sti-pu-la %
sic-ca quam pro-ii-cit %
ven-tus, et si-cut fa- %
vil-la quam tur-}
\setlyrics{v2}{%
Quis in-sur-git ad-ver-sum nos %
quis im-pro-pe-rat vi-as no-stras %
quis in-sur-git ad ver-sum nos, %
quis im-pro-pe-rat vi-as no-stras }
\setlyrics{v3}{%
Quis in-sur-git ad-ver-sum nos %
quis im-pro-pe-rat vi-as no-stras, %
sur-git ad-ver-sum nos %
quis im-pro-pe-rat vi-as no-stras }
\let\BM\beginmel
\let\EM\endmel
---
4 4 4 4 0 6 0 0
4 13 20 0.12
v4
v3
v2
v1
bttt
./
Ab
Ae
It100
% 1
%%
\\grouptop{1}{4}\groupbottom{1}{1}\
r0b /
r0b /
r0b /
r0b /
% 2
%%
L2P2Mn214btr+
%%
\\\grouptop{1}{2}\groupbottom{1}{1}\
c03 s /
\assignlyricshere{v1A}\lyrraise{2}{b 3\internote}\ r8 ga85 ga8 ga8 ea8d
da1 ca8 ga8+ /
% 3
c03 s /
e45 ca8 ga8+ e4 c4 /
% 4
c23 f2- /
r4 ga85d ea1 (S \BM\ c2 /
% 5
f22s g2 /
\EM\ c45 )S d4- d4d c8 /
% 6
c23 c2 /
c25 r8 ea8 fa8 ga8 /
% 7
g43 c4- f2 7 x386 /
da85 da8 ea8 ea8 e4d d8 /
% 8
e23 # d2 6# /
e25 r8 ba8 ca8 da8 /
% 9
e43 c4s e2 4 x143 /
ga84s ga8 aa8 aa8 a4d g8 /
% 10
a02 /
a44 aa8 ba8 c4 c4 /
% 11
f43 e4 d2 7 x146 Rb /
r8 ca8 da8 ea8 f2 /
% 12
%%
L6P3Mn41234btttcr-i.0
%%
\\\grouptop{1}{4}\groupbottom{1}{1}\
m6/2/0/3
c03d f0-d /
r2 \assignlyricshere{v2}\lyrraise{2}{b 0\internote}\ c25 g2 a2 b2 c2 /
rp /
\assignlyricshere{v1AA}\ e05d r0 r2b /
% 13
g02d 4 x123 c0d /
c05 b2 e0d /
r2 \assignlyricshere{v3}\ g25 d2 e2 f2s g2 /
r0b r9 /
% 14
d03d 4 x123 g0-d Rb /
r2 a24 a2 b2d c4 d2 /
g05 f2s g0d /
r0b r9 /
% 15
%%
\\\grouptop{1}{3}\groupbottom{1}{1}\
%%
L7Mn3123bttcr-i.0
a02d 4 x123 d0d /
d05 c2s \BM\ d2d e4 c4 d4 /
r2 e25 e2 f2sd g4 a2 /
% 16
e03d 4 x123 a0-d /
b44 c4 d4 c4 \EM\ b2 a0 r2 /
a05 g2s \BM\ a2d b4 g4 a4 /
% 17
b02d e0d /
r2b r0 r2 g24s g2 /
f45s g4 a4 g4 f2 e2 \EM\ b2 b2 /
% 18
a02 e2 6 g0d /
a24 b2 c2 c0 b2 /
c25 d2 e2 d0 d2 /
% 19
c03d e0d # /
c05d r2 g2s g2 /
e05d r2 b2 b2 /
% 20
a02 e2 6 g0d /
a24d b4 c2 c0 b2 /
c25d d4 e2 d0 d2 /
% 21
c23 e0 6 f2 d0 - /
\BM\ c25d d4 b4 c4 a2 d4 e4 c4 d4 /
\BM\ e25d f4 d4 e4 c2 f4 g4 e4 f4 /
% 22
g23 c0 - a0 f2 s /
b24 e4 f4 d4 e4 c2 d4 e4 f4 e4 /
d25 g4 a4 f4 g4 e2 f4 g4 a4 g4 /
% 23
m3/2/0/0
f23 s g0 /
d45 e4 \EM\ b0 /
f45 e4 \EM\ d0 /
% 24
m2/4/0/6
\wh3\ r2b /
c25 /
e25 /
% 25
%%
L10Mn214btcr-i.0
%%
\\\grouptop{1}{2}\groupbottom{1}{1}\
m2/4/0/0
r2b /
r8 \assignlyricshere{v1B}\lyrraise{2}{b 3\internote}\ ga85 ea8 ea1 ga1 /
% 26
m4/4/0/0
c23 a2 7 x146 /
ca8- ca8 r8 ca1 ca1 c4d b8 /
% 27
g22 d2+ # /
da8d da1 d4 r8 d8 (S \BM\ d4 /
% 28
b22 7 x186 a2 # /
\EM\ d8 )S da8 da8 ca8s ea8d ea1 e4 /
% 29
c23s d2 /
r4 ea8 aa8- \BM\ a4d \EM\ b8 /
% 30
e23 # g2-s /
g4s ba8 ba8 (S \BM\ e2 /
% 31
a22 b2 /
\EM\ e4 )S ea8 ea8 e4d (S \BM\ d8s /
% 32
e23 # d4 # e4 /
\EM\ e4 )S r8 ba8 da8 da1 ca1 b4 /
% 33
a42 e4+ # d4 e4 /
a4 r8 ba1 ca1 da8 da1 ca1 b4 /
% 34
a22 - a2 /
a4 r8 c8 c4d da1 ea1 /
% 35
f02 /
fa8 fa8 r8 a8 f4d fa1 ea1 /
%
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Re: [TeX-Music] M-Tx, number of staves
Am Sonntag, 13. Juni 2010 11:56:51 schrieb Luigi Cataldi: Dear All, I've tried some experiments on Herman's example. I've used abcpp as a pmx preprocessor (or mtx post-processor if you want) instead of sed or similar post-processing scripts. At the and of this letter you can see the files 'grancini.mtx' and 'abcpp_pre.txt' (a preamble needed to process the pmx code with abcpp). I've compiled in this way: prepmx grancini abcpp abcpp_pre.txt grancinia.pmx pmxab grancinia rm grancinia.mx? tex grancinia musixflx grancinia tex grancinia dvips -pp 2-5 grancinia ps2pdf grancinia.ps Luigi, I applied the above commands on your modified mtx source but I always got an empty grancinia.pmx. I used abcpp from WIMA. Hermann ___ tex-mu...@icking-music-archive.org mailing list If you want to unsubscribe or look at the archives, go to http://mailman.nfit.au.dk/mailman/listinfo/icking-music-archive.org-tex-music
Re: [TeX-Music] M-Tx, number of staves
Dear All,
I've tried some experiments on Herman's example. I've used abcpp as a
pmx preprocessor (or mtx post-processor if you want) instead of sed or
similar post-processing scripts. At the and of this letter you can see
the files 'grancini.mtx' and 'abcpp_pre.txt' (a preamble needed to
process the pmx code with abcpp). I've compiled in this way:
prepmx grancini
abcpp abcpp_pre.txt grancinia.pmx
pmxab grancinia
rm grancinia.mx?
tex grancinia
musixflx grancinia
tex grancinia
dvips -pp 2-5 grancinia
ps2pdf grancinia.ps
I'm sending the pdf resulting file too, in which is evident a problem in
the vertical justification. In the first page you may see clearly that
the two hyphens after the last syllable 'ta' are misplaced above the
system. I think that the additional space above the last system comes
from this problem, but, I'm sorry, I can't say why. Any Idea?
I read in the musixlyr manual (chapter 3.9, p. 18) that the use of
\notes...\assignlyricshere{soprano}...\en
is better that the normal \assignlyrics{2}{soprano} in case of
alteration of instrument numbers like in our case, but this command
doesn't understand melismas inserted by mtx. Is there a solution for this?
Last.
Olivier, I am left speechless for the admiration at your example about
the way to change the number of instruments within a staff. Wonderful!
Maybe it's possible to imagine a macro that common and not skilled
people like me can use in some occasion?
Luigi
### abcpp_pre.txt ###
#define rpb / %
#include grancini.pmx
### end ##
% %% grancini.mtx %% Cut here
Style: TTTB4
TTTB4: Voices T1 T2 T3 B; Choral; Clefs G8 G8 G8 F
Meter: C
Size: 20
Pages: 4
Systems: 13
Name: v1 v2 v3 v4
{v1A}
Au-di-te po-pu-li, au-di-te, au-di-te
quid lo-qua-tur Do-mi-nus
quid glo-ri-a-ri in ma-li-ti-a,
quid glo-ri-a-ri in ma-li-ti-a
qui po-ten-tes in i-qui-ta-tem
{v1B}
o stul-ti, o stul-ti a-li-quan-do
sa-pi-te a-man-tes in-tel-li-gi-te
ad-huc mo-cum, et pae-ca-tor-rum e-rit,
ut um-bra trans-i-bit, vi-te ve-stra
pes-i-bit ut sti-pu-la
sic-ca quam pro-ii-cit
ven-tus, et si-cut fa-
vil-la quam tur-
{v2}
Quis in-sur-git ad-ver-sum nos
quis im-pro-pe-rat vi-as no-stras
quis in-sur-git ad ver-sum nos,
quis im-pro-pe-rat vi-as no-stras
{v3}
Quis in-sur-git ad-ver-sum nos
quis im-pro-pe-rat vi-as no-stras,
sur-git ad-ver-sum nos
quis im-pro-pe-rat vi-as no-stras
%% w176m
%% \\hoffset -1in\advance\hoffset 17mm\
%%h263m
%% \\voffset -1in\advance\voffset 17mm\
%% Ab
% 1
r0b
r0b
r0b
r0b
% 2
%% L2P2Mn214btr+
%%\\\mtxGroup{1}{2}{1}\
%%\\\mtxAssignLyrics{2}{v1A}\
%% \\\mtxLyricsAdjust{2}{4}\
r8 g85 g8 g8 e8d d1 c8 g8+
L: {v1A}
rpb
rpb
c03 s
% 3
e45 c8 g8+ e4 c4
rpb
rpb
c03 s
% 4
r4 g85d e1 ( c2
rpb
rpb
c23 f2-
% 5
c45 ) d4- d4d c8
rpb
rpb
f22s g2
% 6
c25 r8 e8 f8 g8
rpb
rpb
c23 c2
% 7
d85 d8 e8 e8 e4d d8
rpb
rpb
g43 c4- f2 7 x386
% 8
e25 r8 b8 c8 d8
rpb
rpb
e23 # d2 6#
% 9
g84s g8 a8 a8 a4d g8
rpb
rpb
e43 c4s e2 4 x143
% 10
a44 a8 b8 c4 c4
rpb
rpb
a02
% 11
r8 c d e f2
rpb
rpb
f43 e4 d2 7 x146
% 12
%% \\\mtxLyricsAdjust{2}{0}\
%% L6P3Mn41234btttcr-i.0
m6203 e05d r0 rb2
m6203 rp
m6203 r2 c25 g2 a2 b2 c2
L: {v2}
m6203 c03d fd0-
% 13
r0b r9
r2 g25 d2 e2 f2s g2
L: {v3}
c05 b2 e0d
g02d 4 x123 c0d
% 14
r0b r9
g05 f2s g0d
r2 a24 a2 b2d c4 d2
d03d 4 x123 g0-d
% 15
%% L7Mn3123bttcr-i.0
%%\\\mtxGroup{1}{3}{1}\
rpb
r2 e25 e2 f2sd g4 a2
d05 c2s (~ d2d e4 c4 d4
a02d 4 x123 d0d
% 16
rpb
a05 g2s (~ a2d b4 g4 a4
b44 c4 d4 c4 b2 )~ a0 r2
e03d 4 x123 a0-d
% 17
rpb
f45s g4 a4 g4 f2 e2 b2 )~ b2
r2b r0 r2 g24s g2
b02d e0d
% 18
rpb
c25 d2 e2 d0 d2
a24 b2 c2 c0 b2
a02 e2 6 g0d
% 19
rpb
e05d r2 b2 b2
c05d r2 g2s g2
c03d e0d #
% 20
rpb
c25d d4 e2 d0 d2
a24d b4 c2 c0 b2
a02 e2 6 g0d
% 21
rpb
(~ e25d f4 d4 e4 c2 f4 g4 e4 f4
(~ c25d d4 b4 c4 a2 d4 e4 c4 d4
c23 e0 6 f2 d0 -
% 22
rpb
d25 g4 a4 f4 g4 e2 f4 g4 a4 g4
b24 e4 f4 d4 e4 c2 d4 e4 f4 e4
g23 c0 - a0 f2 s
% 23
m3200 rpb
m3200 f45 e4 d0 )~
m3200 d45 e4 b0 )~
m3200 f23 s g0
% 24
m2406 rpb
m2406 e25
m2406 c25
m2406 \wh3\ r2b
% 25
%% L10Mn214btcr-i.0
%%\\\mtxGroup{1}{2}{1}\
%%\\\mtxAssignLyrics{2}{v1B}\
%% \\\mtxLyricsAdjust{2}{4}\
m2400 r8 g85 e8 e1 g1
L: {v1B}
m2400 rpb
m2400 rpb
m2400 r2b
% 26
m4400 c8- c r c1 c c4.b
m4400 rpb
m4400 rpb
m4400 c23 a2 7 x146
% 27
d8.d d4 r8 d ( d4
rpb
rpb
g22 d2+ #
% 28
d8 ) d d cs e.e e4
rpb
rpb
b22 7 x186 a2 #
% 29
r4 e8 a- (~ a4.b )~
rpb
rpb
c23s d2
% 30
gs4 b8 b ( e2
rpb
rpb
e23 # g2-s
% 31
e4 ) e8 e ed4 ( ds8
rpb
rpb
a22 b2
% 32
e4 ) r8 b d d1 c b4
rpb
rpb
e23 # d4 # e4
% 33
a4 r8 b1 c d8 d1 c b4
rpb
rpb
a42 e4+ # d4 e4
% 34
a4 r8 c cd4 d1 e
rpb
rpb
a22 - a2
% 35
f8 f r a fd4 f1 e
rpb
rpb
f02
% %% cut here %%
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Re: [TeX-Music] M-Tx, number of staves
Of course I forgot the attachment, sorry! Luigi grancinia.pdf Description: Adobe PDF document ___ tex-mu...@icking-music-archive.org mailing list If you want to unsubscribe or look at the archives, go to http://mailman.nfit.au.dk/mailman/listinfo/icking-music-archive.org-tex-music
Re: [TeX-Music] M-Tx, number of staves
Am Samstag, 12. Juni 2010 05:11:46 schrieb Don Simons: I'm not sure what you'd like me to do or comment on. Did you manually edit the M-Tx output? Yes I did so because it was the fasted way at the moment. Of course later on I will use C for a specified program or try sed, as David pointed out. The main purpose for sending the pmx output was if one could understand beside the elimination of the rp / the change of the instrument number in row 36 and 225 and deleting rows 227 and 228. Would it be possible to change the thick-thin-bar at the end of a movement into a normal bar? I suppose there should be a special TeX-inline code . If so, and if you describe how you'd like the vertical spacing, I could work out what commands to insert in the PMX to achieve it. I don't know if it's worth trying to do that with PMX commands embedded in M-Tx, if you're going to manually edit the M-Tx output anyway. I'm guessing you manually inserted the redefinition of \interstaff . I can't see why. I think the original unequal spacing on page 1 is due to the figures sticking down below the 3rd system. If I comment out the redefinition of \interstaff and insert Ae, Now using Ai for different parts I got a much better spacing. Hermann at least the systems come out equally spaced. I'm sure the vertical spacing could be further improved with some trial and error, forcing some page breaks, and maybe using some other tricks, either PMX or in-line TeX. Tell me some more about what you want to do. --Don ___ tex-mu...@icking-music-archive.org mailing list If you want to unsubscribe or look at the archives, go to http://mailman.nfit.au.dk/mailman/listinfo/icking-music-archive.org-tex-mus ic ___ tex-mu...@icking-music-archive.org mailing list If you want to unsubscribe or look at the archives, go to http://mailman.nfit.au.dk/mailman/listinfo/icking-music-archive.org-tex-music
Re: [TeX-Music] M-Tx, number of staves
I hope someone else can comment on the issues with \mtxAssignLyrics.it's not something I know anything about. In PMX, to replace the thick-thin bar at the end of a movement with a single thin bar, you would put Rb after the last note and before the / in voice #1 right before the movement break. However, if you do this in M-Tx (now in the last voice entered before the break), M-Tx will put in | between Rd and / and that confuses PMX (sorry). So in your manual editing you need to delete the |. I just looked for and replaced all | / with /. To control vertical spacing, in addition to Ai and AI which scale \interstaff, there are a few other things you can do in PMX, separately or in combination, usually with lots of trial and error. Ae will equalize spacing and prevent any systems from spilling over to an extra page. I use it all the time. But with Ae, on a page with a movement break and change in staves/system, you will probably need further intervention. You can use the option in the movement break command that adds extra space before the new movement, e.g., L2M+5 . With Ae active, in other places, you can use e.g. \spread3\ to insert 3\internote of extra vertical space at the next system break. If you use Tt to insert a title, and if it's the last element of the title block, then you can append e.g. +4 to increase the default space between the title and first system by 4\internote . Another command affecting vertical spacing is the v option of the A command. PMX normally spreads staves vertically over a full page, unless the white space becomes excessive, in which case it groups all staves near the top of the page. Entering Av will suppress this grouping near the top, and ensure that systems will always be spread vertically over the full page height regardless of how much white space is left at the bottom. It is a toggle; the second time it is issued, the behavior reverts to the default. --Don From: icking-music-archive.org-tex-music-boun...@mailman.nfit.au.dk [mailto:icking-music-archive.org-tex-music-boun...@mailman.nfit.au.dk] On Behalf Of Hermann Hinsch Sent: Saturday, June 12, 2010 9:59 AM To: Werner Icking Music Archive Subject: Re: [TeX-Music] M-Tx, number of staves Am Samstag, 12. Juni 2010 05:11:46 schrieb Don Simons: I'm not sure what you'd like me to do or comment on. Did you manually edit the M-Tx output? Yes I did so because it was the fasted way at the moment. Of course later on I will use C for a specified program or try sed, as David pointed out. The main purpose for sending the pmx output was if one could understand beside the elimination of the rp / the change of the instrument number in row 36 and 225 and deleting rows 227 and 228. Would it be possible to change the thick-thin-bar at the end of a movement into a normal bar? I suppose there should be a special TeX-inline code . If so, and if you describe how you'd like the vertical spacing, I could work out what commands to insert in the PMX to achieve it. I don't know if it's worth trying to do that with PMX commands embedded in M-Tx, if you're going to manually edit the M-Tx output anyway. I'm guessing you manually inserted the redefinition of \interstaff . I can't see why. I think the original unequal spacing on page 1 is due to the figures sticking down below the 3rd system. If I comment out the redefinition of \interstaff and insert Ae, Now using Ai for different parts I got a much better spacing. Hermann at least the systems come out equally spaced. I'm sure the vertical spacing could be further improved with some trial and error, forcing some page breaks, and maybe using some other tricks, either PMX or in-line TeX. Tell me some more about what you want to do. --Don ___ tex-mu...@icking-music-archive.org mailing list If you want to unsubscribe or look at the archives, go to http://mailman.nfit.au.dk/mailman/listinfo/icking-music-archive.org-tex-mus ic ___ tex-mu...@icking-music-archive.org mailing list If you want to unsubscribe or look at the archives, go to http://mailman.nfit.au.dk/mailman/listinfo/icking-music-archive.org-tex-music
Re: [TeX-Music] M-Tx, number of staves
On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 07:05:54AM +0200, Don Simons wrote: 3. (and here's where it gets really ugly) use a special FORTRAN program I wrote to go through the prepmx output file, looking for and deleting every occurrence of rp | rp | PMX and M-Tx both carry heavily the baggage of what programming languages their developers knew back when. In the meantime, some very interesting programming languages have become available. The above job, and indeed everything currently done by PMX and M-Tx, is miles easier in Python than in Fortran or Pascal. (Actually, this job can also be done by even a primitive text editor.) Python can also take care of the whole tex-musixflx-tex cycle. If there are any programmers on the list who would be interested in a Python project for an updated M-Tx, please e-mail me so that we don't have yet another one-person effort. Dirk ___ tex-mu...@icking-music-archive.org mailing list If you want to unsubscribe or look at the archives, go to http://mailman.nfit.au.dk/mailman/listinfo/icking-music-archive.org-tex-music
Re: [TeX-Music] M-Tx, number of staves
Dirk Laurie wrote: On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 07:05:54AM +0200, Don Simons wrote: 3. (and here's where it gets really ugly) use a special FORTRAN program I wrote to go through the prepmx output file, looking for and deleting every occurrence of rp | rp | PMX and M-Tx both carry heavily the baggage of what programming languages their developers knew back when. In the meantime, some very interesting programming languages have become available. The above job, and indeed everything currently done by PMX and M-Tx, is miles easier in Python than in Fortran or Pascal. (Actually, this job can also be done by even a primitive text editor.) Python can also take care of the whole tex-musixflx-tex cycle. If there are any programmers on the list who would be interested in a Python project for an updated M-Tx, please e-mail me so that we don't have yet another one-person effort. I certainly support the idea of converting M-Tx to a collective software development project. I've done some patches through the past years to accommodate M-Tx to my needs - and will happily leave the maintenance to others. I have a minor reservation for the python idea, though. It's a scripting language like perl requiring a python interpreter installed. Unless python supports generation of stand-alone binaries I foresee difficulties for Windows users not familiar with software installation. Dirk ___ tex-mu...@icking-music-archive.org mailing list If you want to unsubscribe or look at the archives, go to http://mailman.nfit.au.dk/mailman/listinfo/icking-music-archive.org-tex-music -- Christian Mondrup, Archive Editor WIMA: Werner Icking Music Archive http://icking-music-archive.org/ ___ tex-mu...@icking-music-archive.org mailing list If you want to unsubscribe or look at the archives, go to http://mailman.nfit.au.dk/mailman/listinfo/icking-music-archive.org-tex-music
Re: [TeX-Music] M-Tx, number of staves
Am Freitag, 11. Juni 2010 07:05:54 schrieb Don Simons:
Olivier wrote
M-Tx manual says at p. A-7:
M-Tx 0.60 is not aware of movement breaks and the possibility to change
the number of
voices.
It means that you can't do it with M-Tx, but it can easily be done with
PMX. Read section 2.3.11 of the PMX manual.
And I wrote
if there were no lyrics, PMX could do it easily. With lyrics, I'm sure it
can be done,
using in-line PMX within the M-Tx source. But it's tricky.
I've gone back and reminded myself what I did in my Pradas edition, which
switches back and forth between BC+Soprano and BC+Soprano+Violin+Violin. It
turns out it was beyond tricky.
This was all done with one staff per instrument and one voice per staff, so
it was flipping back and forth between 2 staves and four. I could not do it
entirely from within M-Tx, because I couldn't figure out how to make M-Tx
realize the number of staves had changed. Here's what I did:
1. In M-Tx, (a) input all 4-staff sections normally
(b) To go from 4 to 2, use e.g. %%L7Mn212bt
(c) input all 2-staff sections as 4 staves with rp for the top two and
then the desired input for Soprano and BC in the 3rd and 4th.
(d) To switch back from 2 to 4, use e.g. %%L10P3Mn41234bttt
2. Run prepmx. Now I could process this pmx all the way, but the resulting
score will have an unwanted bar of rests every other bar in the 2-staff
movements. So instead,
3. (and here's where it gets really ugly) use a special FORTRAN program I
wrote to go through the prepmx output file, looking for and deleting every
occurrence of
rp |
rp |
4. Process the resulting modified .pmx normally.
So Hermann, if you want to pursue this path, and if you do FORTRAN, I'd be
happy to send you my source and you could modify it to suit your needs. Or
maybe write your own script to do this using whatever language you like. Or
maybe delete the extra rp's by hand with a text editor. Otherwise (so far)
sorry, but you're on your own.
--Don
Hi Don,
before I got your actual mail I tried the same way as you point out. Encouraged
by your recent mail
and the chapter 2.3.11 of the pmx manual I started M-Tx with a dummy page with
the whole number of
staves and began using M with the appropriate number of parameters for the
different parts of the
score. Then I eliminated the rp / from the pmx file. But this wasn't enough.
There were some other
places to change. Before I describe these changes it maybe easier i send the
pmx file commenting out
the changes indicated by %-.
Up to now I am not quit satisfied with the space between the staves at the
beginning of the score.
Maybe some TeX-lines are necessary.
Hermann
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\def\mtxdate{11 October 2008}
\input mtx
\def\writebarno{\ifnum\barno1\lrlap{\tenrm\it\the\barno\barnoadd}\fi}
\def\raisebarno{4mm}
\raggedbottom
\parskip 2\Interligne plus 7\Interligne minus 7\Interligne
\input musixlit
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\mtxInstrName{{c${^3}$}}
\mtxInstrName{{c${^3}$}}
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\\mtxTenorClef{4}\
\\mtxTenorClef{3}\
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r0b /
r0b /
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%- This has to be changed \\\mtxAssignLyrics{4}{11}\
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\\\mtxSetLyrics{11}{di-te, au-di-te}\
c03 s /
%rp /
%rp /
e45 ca8 ga8+ e4 c4 /
% Paragraph 6 line 42 bar 4
\\\mtxSetLyrics{11}{quid lo-qua-}\
c23 f2- /
%rp /
%rp /
r4 ga85d ea1 (S \mtxBM\ c2 /
% Paragraph 7 line 47 bar 5
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\\\mtxSetLyrics{11}{tur Do-mi-}\
f22s g2 /
%rp /
%rp /
\mtxEM\ c45 )S d4- d4d ca8 /
% Paragraph 8 line 53 bar 6
\\\mtxSetLyrics{11}{nus quid glo-ri-}\
c23 c2 /
%rp /
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c25 r8 ea8 fa8 ga8 /
% Paragraph 9 line 58 bar 7
\\\mtxSetLyrics{11}{a-ri in ma-li-ti-}\
g43 c4- f2 7 x386 /
%rp /
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da85 da8 ea8 ea8 e4d da8 /
% Paragraph 10 line 63 bar 8
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Re: [TeX-Music] M-Tx, number of staves
Dirk Laurie wrote:
On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 07:05:54AM +0200, Don Simons wrote:
3. (and here's where it gets really ugly) use a special FORTRAN
program I wrote to go through the prepmx output file, looking for and
deleting every occurrence of
rp |
rp |
PMX and M-Tx both carry heavily the baggage of what programming languages
their developers knew back when.
In the meantime, some very interesting programming languages have become
available.
And even at the time Don wrote his original FORTRAN program:
sed -i -e /^rp |$/{N;/^rp |\nrp |$/d} prepmx
was still a vastly faster way of doing that text transformation than using
any text editor or custom written program!!
David
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Re: [TeX-Music] M-Tx, number of staves
I wrote 1. In M-Tx, (a) input all 4-staff sections normally (b) To go from 4 to 2, use e.g. %%L7Mn212bt (c) input all 2-staff sections as 4 staves with rp for the top two and then the desired input for Soprano and BC in the 3rd and 4th. (d) To switch back from 2 to 4, use e.g. %%L10P3Mn41234bttt 2. Run prepmx. Now I could process this pmx all the way, but the resulting score will have an unwanted bar of rests every other bar in the 2-staff movements. So instead, 3. (and here's where it gets really ugly) use a special FORTRAN program I wrote to go through the prepmx output file, looking for and deleting every occurrence of rp | rp | 4. Process the resulting modified .pmx normally. So Hermann, if you want to pursue this path, and if you do FORTRAN, I'd be happy to send you my source and you could modify it to suit your needs. Or maybe write your own script to do this using whatever language you like. Or maybe delete the extra rp's by hand with a text editor. Otherwise (so far) sorry, but you're on your own. --Don And Hermann wrote Hi Don, before I got your actual mail I tried the same way as you point out. Encouraged by your recent mail and the chapter 2.3.11 of the pmx manual I started M-Tx with a dummy page with the whole number of staves and began using M with the appropriate number of parameters for the different parts of the score. Then I eliminated the rp / from the pmx file. But this wasn't enough. There were some other places to change. Before I describe these changes it maybe easier i send the pmx file commenting out the changes indicated by %-. Up to now I am not quit satisfied with the space between the staves at the beginning of the score. Maybe some TeX-lines are necessary. Bravo! Great minds think alike :-) I'm not sure what you'd like me to do or comment on. Did you manually edit the M-Tx output? If so, and if you describe how you'd like the vertical spacing, I could work out what commands to insert in the PMX to achieve it. I don't know if it's worth trying to do that with PMX commands embedded in M-Tx, if you're going to manually edit the M-Tx output anyway. I'm guessing you manually inserted the redefinition of \interstaff . I can't see why. I think the original unequal spacing on page 1 is due to the figures sticking down below the 3rd system. If I comment out the redefinition of \interstaff and insert Ae, at least the systems come out equally spaced. I'm sure the vertical spacing could be further improved with some trial and error, forcing some page breaks, and maybe using some other tricks, either PMX or in-line TeX. Tell me some more about what you want to do. --Don ___ tex-mu...@icking-music-archive.org mailing list If you want to unsubscribe or look at the archives, go to http://mailman.nfit.au.dk/mailman/listinfo/icking-music-archive.org-tex-music
Re: [TeX-Music] M-Tx, number of staves
Olivier wrote M-Tx manual says at p. A-7: M-Tx 0.60 is not aware of movement breaks and the possibility to change the number of voices. It means that you can't do it with M-Tx, but it can easily be done with PMX. Read section 2.3.11 of the PMX manual. And I wrote if there were no lyrics, PMX could do it easily. With lyrics, I'm sure it can be done, using in-line PMX within the M-Tx source. But it's tricky. I've gone back and reminded myself what I did in my Pradas edition, which switches back and forth between BC+Soprano and BC+Soprano+Violin+Violin. It turns out it was beyond tricky. This was all done with one staff per instrument and one voice per staff, so it was flipping back and forth between 2 staves and four. I could not do it entirely from within M-Tx, because I couldn't figure out how to make M-Tx realize the number of staves had changed. Here's what I did: 1. In M-Tx, (a) input all 4-staff sections normally (b) To go from 4 to 2, use e.g. %%L7Mn212bt (c) input all 2-staff sections as 4 staves with rp for the top two and then the desired input for Soprano and BC in the 3rd and 4th. (d) To switch back from 2 to 4, use e.g. %%L10P3Mn41234bttt 2. Run prepmx. Now I could process this pmx all the way, but the resulting score will have an unwanted bar of rests every other bar in the 2-staff movements. So instead, 3. (and here's where it gets really ugly) use a special FORTRAN program I wrote to go through the prepmx output file, looking for and deleting every occurrence of rp | rp | 4. Process the resulting modified .pmx normally. So Hermann, if you want to pursue this path, and if you do FORTRAN, I'd be happy to send you my source and you could modify it to suit your needs. Or maybe write your own script to do this using whatever language you like. Or maybe delete the extra rp's by hand with a text editor. Otherwise (so far) sorry, but you're on your own. --Don ___ tex-mu...@icking-music-archive.org mailing list If you want to unsubscribe or look at the archives, go to http://mailman.nfit.au.dk/mailman/listinfo/icking-music-archive.org-tex-music
Re: [TeX-Music] M-Tx, number of staves
All of the changes in number of voices in the example come at system breaks, not in the middle of a system. So yes, if there were no lyrics, PMX could do it easily. With lyrics, I'm sure it can be done, using in-line PMX within the M-Tx source. But it's tricky. I'm not very familiar with details of M-Tx, and have forgotten everything I worked out when I made my Pradas edition. It'll take gobs of trial-and-error, but I'll try to set up an example when I can, if someone else doesn't beat me to it. --Don Hermann Hinsch hermann.hin...@urz.uni-heidelberg.de wrote: In order to demonstrate my problem with changing the number of staves per system in a score I send the appended example as pdf file. It consists of a number of solos (2 staves per system) and a tutti with 4 vocals and bc. I made this example by using 2 separate mtx files, one for the solos and the other for the tutti. Translating them to 2 pdf's (where the first pdf must have full pages) and combining these by gs as I learned some time ago from Christian. So this isn't a great action but I have to typeset other pieces with more changes between one or more voices all with bc. I did some tries as Dirk suggested but without success. Hermann ___ tex-mu...@icking-music-archive.org mailing list If you want to unsubscribe or look at the archives, go to http://mailman.nfit.au.dk/mailman/listinfo/icking-music-archive.org-tex-music
Re: [TeX-Music] M-Tx, number of staves
On Sat, 5 Jun 2010, Hermann Hinsch wrote: Thank you for your contributions to my question. It will take me some time, to try them. My project is this: Typesetting motettes from the Italian ceicento which are written in a dialog form. They consist of solo parts which are responded by parts with more than one voice or even by the tutti all within the same piece. Then is there any way to provide us with an sample image of your source, so we understand your need better? Jean-Pierre Coulon cou...@obs-nice.fr ___ tex-mu...@icking-music-archive.org mailing list If you want to unsubscribe or look at the archives, go to http://mailman.nfit.au.dk/mailman/listinfo/icking-music-archive.org-tex-music
Re: [TeX-Music] M-Tx, number of staves
Am Samstag, 5. Juni 2010 11:59:52 schrieb Jean-Pierre Coulon: On Sat, 5 Jun 2010, Hermann Hinsch wrote: Thank you for your contributions to my question. It will take me some time, to try them. My project is this: Typesetting motettes from the Italian ceicento which are written in a dialog form. They consist of solo parts which are responded by parts with more than one voice or even by the tutti all within the same piece. Then is there any way to provide us with an sample image of your source, so we understand your need better? Please give me some more time to answer. I am just preparing a score with various solo and tutti parts which isn't so difficult because I can split it into 2 parts and combine them afterwards. I think this might be a good example providing you with what I want. Hermann Jean-Pierre Coulon cou...@obs-nice.fr ___ tex-mu...@icking-music-archive.org mailing list If you want to unsubscribe or look at the archives, go to http://mailman.nfit.au.dk/mailman/listinfo/icking-music-archive.org-tex-mus ic ___ tex-mu...@icking-music-archive.org mailing list If you want to unsubscribe or look at the archives, go to http://mailman.nfit.au.dk/mailman/listinfo/icking-music-archive.org-tex-music
Re: [TeX-Music] M-Tx, number of staves
On Fri, Jun 04, 2010 at 11:56:24AM +0200, Jean-Pierre Coulon wrote: would it be possible to change in a score the number of staves within a system? I had this problem a few years ago and solved this problem by using an individual mtx-file for each group of systems with the same number of staves, making eps-files and combine these files by LaTeX's icludegraphics. Maybe there is another more convenient method? Even in MusiXTeX I don't know how to do this. You can pretend the piece has more than one movement, and use PMX to insert a movement break when the number of staves changes. Since the feature is in PMX, you should be able to access it from M-Tx too. From the PMX Reference Card Li Force a line break at line i. Voice #1 only. Start of block only. [Pi] Force a page break at page i. [M] Movement break. Must follow P if present. [+i]Extraverticalspace, \internote. [ix]New indent, decimal fraction of line width. [c] Continue bar numbering, do not reset. [r +,-] Force or suppress reprinting in- strument names. [ni]Change to i instruments. d1d2...di Numbers of instruments. Pre- cede 2-digit numbers with : c1c2...ck Clef symbols. Enter one for every staff in new lineup. Disclaimer: I've never actually tried this. So I'd be quite interested to know if it works. Dirk ___ tex-mu...@icking-music-archive.org mailing list If you want to unsubscribe or look at the archives, go to http://mailman.nfit.au.dk/mailman/listinfo/icking-music-archive.org-tex-music
Re: [TeX-Music] M-Tx, number of staves
Jean-Pierre Coulon wrote:
On Fri, 4 Jun 2010, Hermann Hinsch wrote:
Hi all,
would it be possible to change in a score the number of staves within
a system? I had this problem a few years ago and solved this problem
by using an individual mtx-file for each group of systems with the
same number of staves, making eps-files and combine these files by
LaTeX's icludegraphics. Maybe there is another more convenient method?
Even in MusiXTeX I don't know how to do this. May you could study this
thread:
http://www.mail-archive.com/icking-music-archive.org-tex-music@mailman.nfit.au.dk/msg02177.html
and adapt this paragraph:
\off{6pt} % hard space
\roffset{2}{\psframe[linestyle=none,fillstyle=solid,fillcolor=white](0pt,4\internote)(6pt,14\internote)}%
to put some white paint on the staff portions you don't want to see. Are
you with TeX or LaTeX?
Another approach is to use psfig for including eps files into a plain
TeX master script, something like
\input psfig.sty
\psfig{file=my_page.eps}
The vertical positioning of the included eps file may be tweaked by
applying \lower or \raise on the \psfig expression, something like
\lower 7mm\psfig{file=my_page.eps}
If the number of staffs don't change within pages, then a simple and
efficient method is to merge pdf pages using the utility pdftk,
http://www.accesspdf.com/pdftk/
--
Christian Mondrup, Archive Editor
WIMA: Werner Icking Music Archive
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Re: [TeX-Music] M-Tx, number of staves
As Dirk pointed out, PMX can do this by itself, and added that you should be able to access that capability from M-Tx. I can confirm that's all true, as I have done exactly that in the one and only vocal score I publish (http://www.pchpublish.com/dfc-24.html). I will confess that I ran into some pretty sticky problems when making separate parts, and had to resort to some very convoluted tricks. But if not for the parts, it would have been fairly straightforward. And...if there are no lyrics (and Hermann never said whether there were), then I guarantee you can do it all entirely within PMX, with only the slightest amount of hassle: (1) once you put in a movement break, you have to specify the total number of pages and systems in the setup information, and (2) you may want to manually tweak the space between movements. But again, you can do all of this entirely within PMX, with no in-line TeX, and certainly without creating separate files for different parts of the score. --Don Simons -Original Message- From: icking-music-archive.org-tex-music-boun...@mailman.nfit.au.dk [mailto:icking-music-archive.org-tex-music-boun...@mailman.nfit.au.dk] On Behalf Of Dirk Laurie Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 3:07 AM To: Werner Icking Music Archive Subject: Re: [TeX-Music] M-Tx, number of staves On Fri, Jun 04, 2010 at 11:56:24AM +0200, Jean-Pierre Coulon wrote: would it be possible to change in a score the number of staves within a system? I had this problem a few years ago and solved this problem by using an individual mtx-file for each group of systems with the same number of staves, making eps-files and combine these files by LaTeX's icludegraphics. Maybe there is another more convenient method? Even in MusiXTeX I don't know how to do this. You can pretend the piece has more than one movement, and use PMX to insert a movement break when the number of staves changes. Since the feature is in PMX, you should be able to access it from M-Tx too. From the PMX Reference Card Li Force a line break at line i. Voice #1 only. Start of block only. [Pi] Force a page break at page i. [M] Movement break. Must follow P if present. [+i]Extraverticalspace, \internote. [ix]New indent, decimal fraction of line width. [c] Continue bar numbering, do not reset. [r +,-] Force or suppress reprinting in- strument names. [ni]Change to i instruments. d1d2...di Numbers of instruments. Pre- cede 2-digit numbers with : c1c2...ck Clef symbols. Enter one for every staff in new lineup. Disclaimer: I've never actually tried this. So I'd be quite interested to know if it works. Dirk ___ tex-mu...@icking-music-archive.org mailing list If you want to unsubscribe or look at the archives, go to http://mailman.nfit.au.dk/mailman/listinfo/icking-music-archive.org-tex- music ___ tex-mu...@icking-music-archive.org mailing list If you want to unsubscribe or look at the archives, go to http://mailman.nfit.au.dk/mailman/listinfo/icking-music-archive.org-tex-music
