[Texascavers] Congratulations to Mary Kay Manning
Many of you know Mary Kay from watching her climb rope at TCR back in the 80's and 90's. She spent the past 22 years dedicated to helping visitors at Panther Junction in Big Bend. I believe she is now in the Big Thicket, which is why she couldn't make it to ICS. I think she is on CaveTex, so I will let her tell the rest of the story. David Locklear - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] backpacks
Nah, most of the fun of rockin' is funnin' about it on and on. Bill Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org wrote: Want me to stop? :) On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 10:58 PM, speleoste...@tx.rr.com wrote: You troublemaker. Bill --Original Message-- From: Charles Goldsmith To: Frank Binney To: TexasCavers Sent: Jul 29, 2009 10:46 PM Subject: [Texascavers] backpacks So Frank, what's this I hear about you and your extra big backpack? Charles - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com Sent via BlackBerry by ATT
texascavers Digest 30 Jul 2009 15:50:00 -0000 Issue 810
texascavers Digest 30 Jul 2009 15:50:00 - Issue 810 Topics (messages 11515 through 11528): Congratulations to Mary Kay Manning 11515 by: David New sinkhole collapse in west Texas : 11516 by: JerryAtkin.aol.com 11517 by: Bill Bentley Photos Articles from the ICS and Points Beyond - The TC Needs YOUR Submissions! 11518 by: Mark.Alman.l-3com.com Re: ICS Attendance 11519 by: Jon Cradit 11521 by: Pete Lindsley 11526 by: David 11527 by: Heather Tucek Re: bandit cave 11520 by: William H. Russell 11524 by: Aimee Beveridge 11528 by: Andy Zenker Re: Valdina Farms Sinkhole 11522 by: Geary Schindel ICS Amazing Backpack Stories 11523 by: Frank Binney 11525 by: Charles Goldsmith Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-unsubscr...@texascavers.com To post to the list, e-mail: texascavers@texascavers.com -- ---BeginMessage--- Many of you know Mary Kay from watching her climb rope at TCR back in the 80's and 90's. She spent the past 22 years dedicated to helping visitors at Panther Junction in Big Bend. I believe she is now in the Big Thicket, which is why she couldn't make it to ICS. I think she is on CaveTex, so I will let her tell the rest of the story. David Locklear ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- Giant Sinkhole Collapses Near Denver City Eddie Garcia CBS 7 News July 28, 2009 Denver City, Texas - A giant geographical phenomenon has opened up just two miles northeast of Denver City. The enormous sink hole opened up just last night and is on Occidental Permian Inc. property. Company officials would not allow us near the site but did provide us with aerial photos. It is a sinkhole 70 yards long almost 70 yards wide and about 50 feet deep. Permian Occidental says all the wells in the area have been shut-in as a precaution. So far no injuries are being reported or any impacts outside the immediate vicinity of the hole. Local and state authorities have been notified and are now working with Occidental crews. Right now an independent fire and safety company is on location and the entire area is secured. _http://www.cbs7kosa.com/news/details.asp?ID=14003_ (http://www.cbs7kosa.com/news/details.asp?ID=14003) Video of the sink at: _http://permianbasin360.com/content/fulltext/?cid=47132_ (http://permianbasin360.com/content/fulltext/?cid=47132) (javascript:loadVideo(369411)) State probing new area sinkhole By Joshua Hull | AVALANCHE-JOURNAL Thursday, July 30, 2009 Story last updated at 7/30/2009 - 1:31 am State officials are investigating what caused a large sinkhole to suddenly appear earlier this week in an oil field near Denver City. The sinkhole, measured at 76 feet by 70 feet and 48 feet deep, was discovered by a worker late Monday on oil and gas land owned by Occidental Permian Limited, said Stacie Fowler with the Texas Railroad Commission. No one was injured when the ground collapsed, and one well of 1,750 at the field was damaged by the collapse, Fowler said. Some wells in the vicinity have been temporarily shut down. We make sure more damage doesn't happen as best we can, she said, adding no cause has yet been determined. Sinkholes are a more common occurrence in East Texas and can be caused by several different factors, said Mike Turco, chief of the Gulf Coast Office for the U.S. Geological Survey. Oil and gas operations are known to cause sinkholes, Turco said, which might explain the unusual location of the collapse less than a mile east of Denver City. During normal times, there is a fluid or a substance holding up whatever is above, he said. If that is extracted the pressure is reduced and there can be a surface feature after a collapse. Much larger sinkholes appeared in the early 1980s near Wink - about 100 miles southwest of Denver City - also near oil and gas operations. Sinkholes have to be treated with care, Turco said, as each case is different from the next. While all features share some similarities, there's no way to tell whether the collapse will expand without further examination. It depends on what the rocks are underneath the sinkhole and what caused the sinkhole, he said. Typically, once they express themselves after their initial expansion they don't get much larger. _http://lubbockonline.com/stories/073009/loc_472749121.shtml_ (http://lubbockonline.com/stories/073009/loc_472749121.shtml)Lubbock Avalanche-Journal Giant Denver City sinkhole collapses Posted: Jul 29, 2009 9:26 AM CDT Wednesday, July 29, 2009 10:26 AM EST DENVER CITY, TX (KCBD) - A giant sinkhole has been discovered just outside of Denver City, Texas. According to Occidental Permian Ltd., at
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Re: [Texascavers] bandit cave
Freddie, The current owner is very protective of Bandit cave and it not using it as a dump. He is somewhat (in my view) overprotective and has not even let biologists into his cave to study the biology, but he is protecting the cave. For several years prior to the current owner acquiring the cave the cave was used for neighborhood parties, especially on Halloween, and when the new owner took over he was under pressure to continue this tradition. He resisted, and this experience is probably is what lead to the current very restrictive access policy. The cave is still there, but checking it out would be difficult as the cave has a stout steel door, and we need use caver requests for access carefully, at first they should be for worthwhile studies; and then we can build a relation with the landowner. There are digging leads in the cave, but they were pushed in the past to where the diggers gave up. Bill Russell Geoff and Aimee's post about the showing of the Austin Cavers movie at their house reminded me of a cave that I haven't heard anything about in thirty years. Bandit cave is an ex-commercial cave in Rollingwood that was in a vacant lot only three blocks from Geoff and Aimee's house. The last time I checked, it appeared the lot was still vacant and being used as a neighborhood yard waste dump. This cave had two entrances, one of which was a large steel door that was the commercial entrance. It was wired for lighting which was non-functioning as of my last visit in 1978. It had standing room in it and several crawling leads. An ex-mayor of Austin claims that the cave had a crawlway that exited at lake Austin in the cliffs above Redbud isle. Has anyone done anything recently with it? Any conservation efforts, or landowner contact? -- William Hart Russell 4806 Red River Street Austin, TX 78751 H: 512-453-4774 (messages) CELL: 512-940-8336 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] bandit cave
The owner has put in a new fence along the property and I believe there are no trespassing signs. --- On Thu, 7/30/09, William H. Russell whruss...@gmail.com wrote: From: William H. Russell whruss...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] bandit cave To: freddie poer freddiepoe...@yahoo.com Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 8:12 AM Freddie, The current owner is very protective of Bandit cave and it not using it as a dump. He is somewhat (in my view) overprotective and has not even let biologists into his cave to study the biology, but he is protecting the cave. For several years prior to the current owner acquiring the cave the cave was used for neighborhood parties, especially on Halloween, and when the new owner took over he was under pressure to continue this tradition. He resisted, and this experience is probably is what lead to the current very restrictive access policy. The cave is still there, but checking it out would be difficult as the cave has a stout steel door, and we need use caver requests for access carefully, at first they should be for worthwhile studies; and then we can build a relation with the landowner. There are digging leads in the cave, but they were pushed in the past to where the diggers gave up. Bill Russell Geoff and Aimee's post about the showing of the Austin Cavers movie at their house reminded me of a cave that I haven't heard anything about in thirty years. Bandit cave is an ex-commercial cave in Rollingwood that was in a vacant lot only three blocks from Geoff and Aimee's house. The last time I checked, it appeared the lot was still vacant and being used as a neighborhood yard waste dump. This cave had two entrances, one of which was a large steel door that was the commercial entrance. It was wired for lighting which was non-functioning as of my last visit in 1978. It had standing room in it and several crawling leads. An ex-mayor of Austin claims that the cave had a crawlway that exited at lake Austin in the cliffs above Redbud isle. Has anyone done anything recently with it? Any conservation efforts, or landowner contact? -- William Hart Russell 4806 Red River Street Austin, TX 78751 H: 512-453-4774 (messages) CELL: 512-940-8336 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] bandit cave
Just invite them to the next caver party at Aimee and Geoff's. Andy Zenker Texas Caver --- On Thu, 7/30/09, Aimee Beveridge aim...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Aimee Beveridge aim...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] bandit cave To: freddie poer freddiepoe...@yahoo.com, William H. Russell whruss...@gmail.com Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 10:31 AM The owner has put in a new fence along the property and I believe there are no trespassing signs. --- On Thu, 7/30/09, William H. Russell whruss...@gmail.com wrote: From: William H. Russell whruss...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] bandit cave To: freddie poer freddiepoe...@yahoo.com Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 8:12 AM Freddie, The current owner is very protective of Bandit cave and it not using it as a dump. He is somewhat (in my view) overprotective and has not even let biologists into his cave to study the biology, but he is protecting the cave. For several years prior to the current owner acquiring the cave the cave was used for neighborhood parties, especially on Halloween, and when the new owner took over he was under pressure to continue this tradition. He resisted, and this experience is probably is what lead to the current very restrictive access policy. The cave is still there, but checking it out would be difficult as the cave has a stout steel door, and we need use caver requests for access carefully, at first they should be for worthwhile studies; and then we can build a relation with the landowner. There are digging leads in the cave, but they were pushed in the past to where the diggers gave up. Bill Russell Geoff and Aimee's post about the showing of the Austin Cavers movie at their house reminded me of a cave that I haven't heard anything about in thirty years. Bandit cave is an ex-commercial cave in Rollingwood that was in a vacant lot only three blocks from Geoff and Aimee's house. The last time I checked, it appeared the lot was still vacant and being used as a neighborhood yard waste dump. This cave had two entrances, one of which was a large steel door that was the commercial entrance. It was wired for lighting which was non-functioning as of my last visit in 1978. It had standing room in it and several crawling leads. An ex-mayor of Austin claims that the cave had a crawlway that exited at lake Austin in the cliffs above Redbud isle. Has anyone done anything recently with it? Any conservation efforts, or landowner contact? -- William Hart Russell 4806 Red River Street Austin, TX 78751 H: 512-453-4774 (messages) CELL: 512-940-8336 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] bandit cave
And show them the Texas Cavers movie ;-) -Original Message- From: Andy Zenker andyzen...@yahoo.com To: texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:49 am Subject: Re: [Texascavers] bandit cave Just invite them to the next caver party at Aimee and Geoff's. Andy Zenker Texas Caver --- On Thu, 7/30/09, Aimee Beveridge aim...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Aimee Beveridge aim...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] bandit cave To: freddie poer freddiepoe...@yahoo.com, William H. Russell whruss...@gmail.com Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 10:31 AM ? The owner has put in a?new fence along the property and I believe there are no trespassing signs.? --- On Thu, 7/30/09, William H. Russell whruss...@gmail.com wrote: From: William H. Russell whruss...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] bandit cave To: freddie poer freddiepoe...@yahoo.com Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 8:12 AM Freddie, ??? The current owner is very protective of Bandit cave and it not using it as a dump.? He is somewhat (in my view) overprotective and has not even let biologists into his cave to study the biology, but he is protecting the cave.? For several years prior to the current owner acquiring the cave the cave was used for neighborhood parties, especially on Halloween, and when the new owner took over he was under pressure to continue this tradition.? He resisted, and this experience is probably is what lead to the current very restrictive access policy.? The cave is still there, but checking it out would be difficult as the cave has a stout steel door, and we need use caver requests for access carefully, at first they should be for worthwhile studies; and then we can build a relation with the landowner.? There are digging leads in the cave, but they were pushed in the past to where the diggers gave up. Bill Russell Geoff and Aimee's post about the showing of the Austin Cavers movie at their house reminded me of a cave that I haven't heard anything about in thirty years. Bandit cave is an ex-commercial cave in Rollingwood that was in a vacant lot only three blocks from Geoff and Aimee's house. The last time I checked, it appeared the lot was still vacant and being used as a neighborhood yard waste dump. This cave had two entrances, one of which was a large steel door that was the commercial entrance. It was wired for lighting which was non-functioning as of my last visit in 1978. It had standing room in it and several crawling leads. An ex-mayor of Austin claims that the cave had a crawlway that exited at lake Austin in the cliffs above Redbud isle. Has anyone done anything recently with it? Any conservation efforts, or landowner contact? -- William Hart Russell 4806 Red River Street Austin, TX? 78751 H: 512-453-4774 (messages) CELL:? 512-940-8336 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] bandit cave
And make sure they're drunk before you ask for cave access. :p 2009/7/30 germa...@aol.com And show them the Texas Cavers movie ;-) -Original Message- From: Andy Zenker andyzen...@yahoo.com To: texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:49 am Subject: Re: [Texascavers] bandit cave Just invite them to the next caver party at Aimee and Geoff's. Andy Zenker Texas Caver --- On *Thu, 7/30/09, Aimee Beveridge aim...@yahoo.com* wrote: From: Aimee Beveridge aim...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] bandit cave To: freddie poer freddiepoe...@yahoo.com, William H. Russell whruss...@gmail.com Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 10:31 AM The owner has put in a new fence along the property and I believe there are no trespassing signs. --- On *Thu, 7/30/09, William H. Russell whruss...@gmail.com* wrote: From: William H. Russell whruss...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] bandit cave To: freddie poer freddiepoe...@yahoo.com Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 8:12 AM Freddie, The current owner is very protective of Bandit cave and it not using it as a dump. He is somewhat (in my view) overprotective and has not even let biologists into his cave to study the biology, but he is protecting the cave. For several years prior to the current owner acquiring the cave the cave was used for neighborhood parties, especially on Halloween, and when the new owner took over he was under pressure to continue this tradition. He resisted, and this experience is probably is what lead to the current very restrictive access policy. The cave is still there, but checking it out would be difficult as the cave has a stout steel door, and we need use caver requests for access carefully, at first they should be for worthwhile studies; and then we can build a relation with the landowner. There are digging leads in the cave, but they were pushed in the past to where the diggers gave up. Bill Russell Geoff and Aimee's post about the showing of the Austin Cavers movie at their house reminded me of a cave that I haven't heard anything about in thirty years. Bandit cave is an ex-commercial cave in Rollingwood that was in a vacant lot only three blocks from Geoff and Aimee's house. The last time I checked, it appeared the lot was still vacant and being used as a neighborhood yard waste dump. This cave had two entrances, one of which was a large steel door that was the commercial entrance. It was wired for lighting which was non-functioning as of my last visit in 1978. It had standing room in it and several crawling leads. An ex-mayor of Austin claims that the cave had a crawlway that exited at lake Austin in the cliffs above Redbud isle. Has anyone done anything recently with it? Any conservation efforts, or landowner contact? -- William Hart Russell 4806 Red River Street Austin, TX 78751 H: 512-453-4774 (messages) CELL: 512-940-8336 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.comhttp://us.mc552.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.comhttp://us.mc552.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- Go find out! -Heather Tuček UT Grotto NSS 59660 (512) 773-1348 trog...@cavechat.org
RE: [Texascavers] bandit cave
Bill, How close to the gated entrance is the second entrance and is it also gated? I would think that the overprotective(smart)owner would welcome a select, responsible few cavers to clean out the entrances should they need it. What quadrant of which city is this cave located? Fritz -Original Message- From: William H. Russell [mailto:whruss...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 8:12 AM To: freddie poer Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] bandit cave Freddie, The current owner is very protective of Bandit cave and it not using it as a dump. He is somewhat (in my view) overprotective and has not even let biologists into his cave to study the biology, but he is protecting the cave. For several years prior to the current owner acquiring the cave the cave was used for neighborhood parties, especially on Halloween, and when the new owner took over he was under pressure to continue this tradition. He resisted, and this experience is probably is what lead to the current very restrictive access policy. The cave is still there, but checking it out would be difficult as the cave has a stout steel door, and we need use caver requests for access carefully, at first they should be for worthwhile studies; and then we can build a relation with the landowner. There are digging leads in the cave, but they were pushed in the past to where the diggers gave up. Bill Russell Geoff and Aimee's post about the showing of the Austin Cavers movie at their house reminded me of a cave that I haven't heard anything about in thirty years. Bandit cave is an ex-commercial cave in Rollingwood that was in a vacant lot only three blocks from Geoff and Aimee's house. The last time I checked, it appeared the lot was still vacant and being used as a neighborhood yard waste dump. This cave had two entrances, one of which was a large steel door that was the commercial entrance. It was wired for lighting which was non-functioning as of my last visit in 1978. It had standing room in it and several crawling leads. An ex-mayor of Austin claims that the cave had a crawlway that exited at lake Austin in the cliffs above Redbud isle. Has anyone done anything recently with it? Any conservation efforts, or landowner contact? -- William Hart Russell 4806 Red River Street Austin, TX 78751 H: 512-453-4774 (messages) CELL: 512-940-8336 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[NMCAVER] Facebook and Caving Info
I use facebook only for Networking, Blogs, and Announcements. I will not post cave locations or event maps on these pages. I email them separately through my outlook account. Blake N. Jordan GypKaP Director NSS 43030 RL FE ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net
[Texascavers] ICS photos: Frank's public link
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[Texascavers] RE: Photos Articles from the ICS and Points Beyond - The TC Needs YOUR Submissions!
Mark, What is the deadline? Fritz From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com] Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 7:34 AM To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Photos Articles from the ICS and Points Beyond - The TC Needs YOUR Submissions! All, As of 7/30, 7:30 AM, I only have one photo (a rather sexy one from Bill Steele) from the ICS for The TEXAS CAVER! Other than that, I have ZERO photos, ZERO trip reports, ZERO articles and other miscellanea submitted for publication in the next issue. Looks like a VERY thin next issue of the TC. Hey, at least we'll save some dinero for the TSA! C'mon, people, I'll give you a few more days to recuperate from the ICS, but, it's time to get busy! Send something/anything to texascav...@yahoo.commailto:texascav...@yahoo.com. Thanks! (A desperate) Mark
[Texascavers] TSA Officer Nominations Chair
Are you good at twisting arms? Do you have the wit, charm, and powers of persuasion that easily allow you to win friends and influence others? Do you have embarrasing details, photos, wiretaps, or other information on certain cavers that would compel them to serve as a TSA Officer, rather than have these details see the light of day? If so, the TSA could use you as it's new Officer Nominations Chair! After several years of dedicated service in this post, Linda Palit is taking a well deserved break and we need a replacement. If this sounds like your cup of tea, please contact me offline. If not, we'll have to Shanghai someone to serve in her stead! Thanks! Mark
[Texascavers] Re: Volunteering
Some who weren't seen volunteering on campus put in pre-convention volunteer hours as proofreaders, etc. Rae -- - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Bandit Cave
Click here: http://pages.suddenlink.net/carl-kunath/Bandit_Cave_(Reddell)_July_1968.jpg to see a photo of James Reddell at the entrance of Bandit Cave in July 1968. ===Carl Kunath
Re: [Texascavers] Bandit Cave
It looks like an old ammo bunker! 2009/7/30 Carl Kunath carl.kun...@suddenlink.net Click here: http://pages.suddenlink.net/carl-kunath/Bandit_Cave_(Reddell)_July_1968.jpghttp://pages.suddenlink.net/carl-kunath/Bandit_Cave_%28Reddell%29_July_1968.jpg to see a photo of James Reddell at the entrance of Bandit Cave in July 1968. ===Carl Kunath -- Go find out! -Heather Tuček UT Grotto NSS 59660 (512) 773-1348 trog...@cavechat.org
[Texascavers] New sinkhole collapse in west Texas :
Giant Sinkhole Collapses Near Denver City Eddie Garcia CBS 7 News July 28, 2009 Denver City, Texas - A giant geographical phenomenon has opened up just two miles northeast of Denver City. The enormous sink hole opened up just last night and is on Occidental Permian Inc. property. Company officials would not allow us near the site but did provide us with aerial photos. It is a sinkhole 70 yards long almost 70 yards wide and about 50 feet deep. Permian Occidental says all the wells in the area have been shut-in as a precaution. So far no injuries are being reported or any impacts outside the immediate vicinity of the hole. Local and state authorities have been notified and are now working with Occidental crews. Right now an independent fire and safety company is on location and the entire area is secured. _http://www.cbs7kosa.com/news/details.asp?ID=14003_ (http://www.cbs7kosa.com/news/details.asp?ID=14003) Video of the sink at: _http://permianbasin360.com/content/fulltext/?cid=47132_ (http://permianbasin360.com/content/fulltext/?cid=47132) (javascript:loadVideo(369411)) State probing new area sinkhole By Joshua Hull | AVALANCHE-JOURNAL Thursday, July 30, 2009 Story last updated at 7/30/2009 - 1:31 am State officials are investigating what caused a large sinkhole to suddenly appear earlier this week in an oil field near Denver City. The sinkhole, measured at 76 feet by 70 feet and 48 feet deep, was discovered by a worker late Monday on oil and gas land owned by Occidental Permian Limited, said Stacie Fowler with the Texas Railroad Commission. No one was injured when the ground collapsed, and one well of 1,750 at the field was damaged by the collapse, Fowler said. Some wells in the vicinity have been temporarily shut down. We make sure more damage doesn't happen as best we can, she said, adding no cause has yet been determined. Sinkholes are a more common occurrence in East Texas and can be caused by several different factors, said Mike Turco, chief of the Gulf Coast Office for the U.S. Geological Survey. Oil and gas operations are known to cause sinkholes, Turco said, which might explain the unusual location of the collapse less than a mile east of Denver City. During normal times, there is a fluid or a substance holding up whatever is above, he said. If that is extracted the pressure is reduced and there can be a surface feature after a collapse. Much larger sinkholes appeared in the early 1980s near Wink - about 100 miles southwest of Denver City - also near oil and gas operations. Sinkholes have to be treated with care, Turco said, as each case is different from the next. While all features share some similarities, there's no way to tell whether the collapse will expand without further examination. It depends on what the rocks are underneath the sinkhole and what caused the sinkhole, he said. Typically, once they express themselves after their initial expansion they don't get much larger. _http://lubbockonline.com/stories/073009/loc_472749121.shtml_ (http://lubbockonline.com/stories/073009/loc_472749121.shtml)Lubbock Avalanche-Journal Giant Denver City sinkhole collapses Posted: Jul 29, 2009 9:26 AM CDT Wednesday, July 29, 2009 10:26 AM EST DENVER CITY, TX (KCBD) - A giant sinkhole has been discovered just outside of Denver City, Texas. According to Occidental Permian Ltd., at approximately 11:00 p.m. on Monday, July 27th, the sinkhole was discovered 2 miles northeast of Denver City, on Occidental property. An independent fire and safety company is on location and the area is secured. Wells in the area have been shut-in as a precaution. The sinkhole is approximately 70 yards long, 67 yards wide and 16 yards deep. Occidental personnel reports that there are no injuries to employees, and no injuries or other impacts outside the immediate vicinity around the hole. Oxy has notified the appropriate local and state authorities, and will continue to cooperate fully with them. NewsChannel 11 will be following this story and will bring you any updates as they become available. _http://www.kcbd.com/Global/story.asp?S=10810491_ (http://www.kcbd.com/Global/story.asp?S=10810491) **Hot Deals at Dell on Popular Laptops perfect for Back to School (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1223105306x1201716871/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Faltfarm.mediaplex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F12309%2D81939%2D1629%2D9)
Re: [Texascavers] New sinkhole collapse in west Texas :
This story has has been covered by all 3 of the local network news. I find it most interesting when they say Experts don't know why this happens and in the finishing sentence of the news story they comment on how it is near an injection well. Bill - Original Message - From: jerryat...@aol.com To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 1:43 AM Subject: [Texascavers] New sinkhole collapse in west Texas : Giant Sinkhole Collapses Near Denver City Eddie Garcia CBS 7 News July 28, 2009 Denver City, Texas - A giant geographical phenomenon has opened up just two miles northeast of Denver City. The enormous sink hole opened up just last night and is on Occidental Permian Inc. property. Company officials would not allow us near the site but did provide us with aerial photos. It is a sinkhole 70 yards long almost 70 yards wide and about 50 feet deep. Permian Occidental says all the wells in the area have been shut-in as a precaution. So far no injuries are being reported or any impacts outside the immediate vicinity of the hole. Local and state authorities have been notified and are now working with Occidental crews. Right now an independent fire and safety company is on location and the entire area is secured. http://www.cbs7kosa.com/news/details.asp?ID=14003 Video of the sink at: http://permianbasin360.com/content/fulltext/?cid=47132 State probing new area sinkhole By Joshua Hull | AVALANCHE-JOURNAL Thursday, July 30, 2009 Story last updated at 7/30/2009 - 1:31 am State officials are investigating what caused a large sinkhole to suddenly appear earlier this week in an oil field near Denver City. The sinkhole, measured at 76 feet by 70 feet and 48 feet deep, was discovered by a worker late Monday on oil and gas land owned by Occidental Permian Limited, said Stacie Fowler with the Texas Railroad Commission. No one was injured when the ground collapsed, and one well of 1,750 at the field was damaged by the collapse, Fowler said. Some wells in the vicinity have been temporarily shut down. We make sure more damage doesn't happen as best we can, she said, adding no cause has yet been determined. Sinkholes are a more common occurrence in East Texas and can be caused by several different factors, said Mike Turco, chief of the Gulf Coast Office for the U.S. Geological Survey. Oil and gas operations are known to cause sinkholes, Turco said, which might explain the unusual location of the collapse less than a mile east of Denver City. During normal times, there is a fluid or a substance holding up whatever is above, he said. If that is extracted the pressure is reduced and there can be a surface feature after a collapse. Much larger sinkholes appeared in the early 1980s near Wink - about 100 miles southwest of Denver City - also near oil and gas operations. Sinkholes have to be treated with care, Turco said, as each case is different from the next. While all features share some similarities, there's no way to tell whether the collapse will expand without further examination. It depends on what the rocks are underneath the sinkhole and what caused the sinkhole, he said. Typically, once they express themselves after their initial expansion they don't get much larger. http://lubbockonline.com/stories/073009/loc_472749121.shtml Lubbock Avalanche-Journal Giant Denver City sinkhole collapses Posted: Jul 29, 2009 9:26 AM CDT Wednesday, July 29, 2009 10:26 AM EST DENVER CITY, TX (KCBD) - A giant sinkhole has been discovered just outside of Denver City, Texas. According to Occidental Permian Ltd., at approximately 11:00 p.m. on Monday, July 27th, the sinkhole was discovered 2 miles northeast of Denver City, on Occidental property. An independent fire and safety company is on location and the area is secured. Wells in the area have been shut-in as a precaution. The sinkhole is approximately 70 yards long, 67 yards wide and 16 yards deep. Occidental personnel reports that there are no injuries to employees, and no injuries or other impacts outside the immediate vicinity around the hole. Oxy has notified the appropriate local and state authorities, and will continue to cooperate fully with them. NewsChannel 11 will be following this story and will bring you any updates as they become available. http://www.kcbd.com/Global/story.asp?S=10810491 -- Hot Deals at Dell on Popular Laptops perfect for Back to School
Re: [Texascavers] New sinkhole collapse in west Texas :
That's kindof like saying we don't know what caused this grassfire - incidentally, there's a kid over there playing with matches. -WaV On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 7:37 AM, Bill Bentley ca...@caver.net wrote: This story has has been covered by all 3 of the local network news. I find it most interesting when they say Experts don't know why this happens and in the finishing sentence of the news story they comment on how it is near an injection well. Bill - Original Message - *From:* jerryat...@aol.com *To:* Texascavers@texascavers.com *Sent:* Thursday, July 30, 2009 1:43 AM *Subject:* [Texascavers] New sinkhole collapse in west Texas : *Giant Sinkhole Collapses Near Denver City *Eddie Garcia CBS 7 News July 28, 2009 Denver City, Texas - A giant geographical phenomenon has opened up just two miles northeast of Denver City. The enormous sink hole opened up just last night and is on Occidental Permian Inc. property. Company officials would not allow us near the site but did provide us with aerial photos. It is a sinkhole 70 yards long almost 70 yards wide and about 50 feet deep. Permian Occidental says all the wells in the area have been shut-in as a precaution. So far no injuries are being reported or any impacts outside the immediate vicinity of the hole. Local and state authorities have been notified and are now working with Occidental crews. Right now an independent fire and safety company is on location and the entire area is secured. http://www.cbs7kosa.com/news/details.asp?ID=14003 Video of the sink at: http://permianbasin360.com/content/fulltext/?cid=47132 *State probing new area sinkhole* By Joshua Hull | AVALANCHE-JOURNAL *Thursday, July 30, 2009* Story last updated at 7/30/2009 - 1:31 am State officials are investigating what caused a large sinkhole to suddenly appear earlier this week in an oil field near Denver City. The sinkhole, measured at 76 feet by 70 feet and 48 feet deep, was discovered by a worker late Monday on oil and gas land owned by Occidental Permian Limited, said Stacie Fowler with the Texas Railroad Commission. No one was injured when the ground collapsed, and one well of 1,750 at the field was damaged by the collapse, Fowler said. Some wells in the vicinity have been temporarily shut down. We make sure more damage doesn't happen as best we can, she said, adding no cause has yet been determined. Sinkholes are a more common occurrence in East Texas and can be caused by several different factors, said Mike Turco, chief of the Gulf Coast Office for the U.S. Geological Survey. Oil and gas operations are known to cause sinkholes, Turco said, which might explain the unusual location of the collapse less than a mile east of Denver City. During normal times, there is a fluid or a substance holding up whatever is above, he said. If that is extracted the pressure is reduced and there can be a surface feature after a collapse. Much larger sinkholes appeared in the early 1980s near Wink - about 100 miles southwest of Denver City - also near oil and gas operations. Sinkholes have to be treated with care, Turco said, as each case is different from the next. While all features share some similarities, there's no way to tell whether the collapse will expand without further examination. It depends on what the rocks are underneath the sinkhole and what caused the sinkhole, he said. Typically, once they express themselves after their initial expansion they don't get much larger. http://lubbockonline.com/stories/073009/loc_472749121.shtml Lubbock Avalanche-Journal Giant Denver City sinkhole collapses *Posted: Jul 29, 2009 9:26 AM CDT **Wednesday, July 29, 2009 10:26 AM EST* DENVER CITY, TX (KCBD) - A giant sinkhole has been discovered just outside of Denver City, Texas. According to Occidental Permian Ltd., at approximately 11:00 p.m. on Monday, July 27th, the sinkhole was discovered 2 miles northeast of Denver City, on Occidental property. An independent fire and safety company is on location and the area is secured. Wells in the area have been shut-in as a precaution. The sinkhole is approximately 70 yards long, 67 yards wide and 16 yards deep. Occidental personnel reports that there are no injuries to employees, and no injuries or other impacts outside the immediate vicinity around the hole. Oxy has notified the appropriate local and state authorities, and will continue to cooperate fully with them. NewsChannel 11 will be following this story and will bring you any updates as they become available. http://www.kcbd.com/Global/story.asp?S=10810491 -- Hot Deals at Dell on Popular Laptops perfect for Back to Schoolhttp://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1223105306x1201716871/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Faltfarm.mediaplex.com%2Fad%2Fck%2F12309%2D81939%2D1629%2D9
texascavers Digest 30 Jul 2009 20:52:17 -0000 Issue 812
texascavers Digest 30 Jul 2009 20:52:17 - Issue 812 Topics (messages 11542 through 11549): Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories 11542 by: Fritz Holt 11544 by: Nico Escamilla 11545 by: Andy Zenker Re: Volunteering 11543 by: mrnadler.mail.utexas.edu Bandit Cave 11546 by: Carl Kunath 11547 by: Heather Tucek Re: Valdina Farms Sinkhole 11548 by: Mark Minton Re: New sinkhole collapse in west Texas : 11549 by: Don Cooper Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-unsubscr...@texascavers.com To post to the list, e-mail: texascavers@texascavers.com -- ---BeginMessage--- It is a good thing if they are good rocks. Personally, I never met a rock that I didn't like, except maybe the one that broke my windshield. I have a rock fetish. Fritz From: germa...@aol.com [mailto:germa...@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 12:44 PM To: jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net; wo...@justfamily.org; fr...@frankbinney.com; Fritz Holt Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories He's not the only one who does this! I've been a victim as well, but since I collect rocks, it really wasn't a bad thing! julia -Original Message- From: John P Brooks jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net To: Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org; Frank Binney fr...@frankbinney.com; Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.com Cc: Texas Cavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:39 pm Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories LOL..Lesson learned once againNEVER LEAVE your back pack ALONE with Bill Steele for even a NANO-SECONDor you WILL end up with a rock in your pack. Thats like one of the TEN COMMANDMENTS of CAVING Thou shalt not trusteth thine pack to the Man O Steele... --- On Thu, 7/30/09, Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.commailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com wrote: From: Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.commailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories To: Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.orgmailto:wo...@justfamily.org, Frank Binney fr...@frankbinney.commailto:fr...@frankbinney.com Cc: Texas Cavers texascavers@texascavers.commailto:texascavers@texascavers.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 12:20 PM Bill Steele has told similar stories and is famous for this. You were just one of the fortunate recipients. Fritz -Original Message- From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.orghttp://us.mc1800.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wo...@justfamily.org] Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 10:34 AM To: Frank Binney Cc: Texas Cavers Subject: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories And how long have you known Bill? Caved with him? Really cool story about the Grand Canyon and your pack though. Charles On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Frank Binneyfr...@frankbinney.comhttp://us.mc1800.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fr...@frankbinney.com wrote: On 7/29/09 8:46 PM, Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.orghttp://us.mc1800.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wo...@justfamily.org wrote: So Frank, what's this I hear about you and your extra big backpack? Actually I had two amazing backpack experiences at ICS: 1) Back in the early 1970s I visited a multiple entrance cave in the Grand Canyon. Technical climbing was required to reach the entrances, and wetsuits were required to negotiate the stream passage deeper inside the cave (which, by the way, had been mapped by Rune and other Texas cavers back in the 1960s). We entered by way of a dry upper entrance, where I stashed the brand-new expensive backpack I had used to transport the wetsuits, rope and climbing gear. Twelve hours later, exhausted from pushing tight leads deep in the cave, we decided to save time by rappelling down to the Colorado River by way of a lower, wet entrance. As dawn light began to illuminate the Grand Canyon, we pushed off down stream in our oar raft and it was shortly thereafter I realized my expensive new backpack remained in that upper entrance. Over the next 35 years, especially when I passed below those cave entrances on numerous Grand Canyon raft trips, I wondered what might have happened to that pack. So imagine my surprise at the ICS banquet when Bob and Debbie Buecher came over and asked if I was missing a backpack. A few years ago Bob was at that particular entrance and noticed a dusty pack stashed on a ledge. He's got it at his home in Tucson and plans to reunite me with it. 2) My other ICS amazing backpack story concerns the charity of my good friend Bill Steele. One day I loaded up my backpack with heavy books I planned to mail home (ICS
RE: [Texascavers] Valdina Farms Sinkhole
Valdina Farm Sinkhole. There were two trips to the cave, one on Wednesday, July 22 and the other on Saturday, July 25. The trip on Wednesday included a number of foreign cavers and was lead by Josh Rubinstein with the Edwards Aquifer Authority and Graham Schindel and Paul Bryant who were volunteers. Josh worked with Brian Pease on the surface where they performed three cave radio locations. Graham and Paul coordinated activities in the pit while Scott Wahlquist (a volunteer from Virginia) operated the cave radio inside the cave. Cave radio locations were obtained from three sites, one at the upstream side of the downstream sump and one on the downstream side of the sump. A third location was made on the upstream portion of the cave. The cave radio locations were made in support of remapping of the cave and potential monitoring well locations. The drought has opened up the downstream sump which was only accessible by cave diving. The word is that foreign cavers really showed the American's how to use the Frog System. On the Saturday trip, we surveyed the radio locations to recoverable points in the cave and also installed some dye receptors in support of an upcoming tracer test in the cave. There were a number of TAG cavers on the trip along with some Poles. The Saturday trip was lead by myself and Graham Schindel. Later this fall, we may initiate a remapping project along with a LIDAR study in the cave to determine changes to the cave sediments related to the aquifer recharge structure feeding the cave. Please note that Valdina Farm Sinkhole is only open by special permission. The Edwards Aquifer Authority holds an easement on the cave. Please do not contact the owner for permission to enter the cave as they have requested that they not be bothered. In addition, this cave is very dangerous and requires a very careful eye on the weather as it will flood to the top of the 150 foot deep sinkhole in a matter of minutes after large storms in the drainage basin. I also wanted to thank David for his posts on the ICS and his insistent volunteering for the entire week. I don't think there is anything that he didn't help with at some time. He exhibited real Texas hospitability by welcoming many of the foreign cavers that were camped around him. I think the Ukrainian cavers really appreciated his help. Geary Schindel -Original Message- From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 12:34 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Valdina Farms Sinkhole I was just curious how the trip went ? That is a cave I have been wanting to go in for 24 years. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] RE: Valdina Farms Sinkhole
Geary, The drought has opened up the downstream sump which was only accessible by cave diving. Has Valdina Farms Sinkhole been explored very far beyond the (ex)sump? I see a map in the 1994 NSS Convention Guidebook, Caves and Karst of Texas, that says it had not been surveyed, and it didn't say whether the second downstream sump had been dived or not. There is also an upstream sump. Seems like a good time to push the cave, while water is so low. Mark Minton.
[Texascavers] RE: Valdina Farms Sinkhole
Mark and others, The downstream sump was dived about 20 years ago and it went to some additional passage with bad air to a second deeper sump of approximately 20 feet. The passage was about 800 feet long to the second sump which was not entered by either the divers or the recent explorers. The first sump in the cave is now open and we can get to what appears to be the second sump that stopped the divers last time. This is where we put in the downstream radio location. Landowner access is a problem as the cave is on private property and is being actively managed as a exotic game ranch. Today, it looks like we're getting some heavy rain over the cave and the stream gauges are responding. Weather is always an issue. Watching a 150 foot deep pit sump out to the top of the sinkhole is always a humbling experience. Also, congratulations on the Lew Bicking Award. It is much deserved. Geary From: Mark Minton [mailto:mmin...@illinoisalumni.org] Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 2:58 PM To: Geary Schindel Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: Valdina Farms Sinkhole Geary, The drought has opened up the downstream sump which was only accessible by cave diving. Has Valdina Farms Sinkhole been explored very far beyond the (ex)sump? I see a map in the 1994 NSS Convention Guidebook, Caves and Karst of Texas, that says it had not been surveyed, and it didn't say whether the second downstream sump had been dived or not. There is also an upstream sump. Seems like a good time to push the cave, while water is so low. Mark Minton.
[Texascavers] Giant Caves and Nico
We had a great time at the ICS. It was fun seeing so many old (?) friends. The Giant Caves of Mexico trip was a great way to get it started. Amy and Pete really put a lot of effort into preparing for it and it paid off. One thing that would have made it better would have been if Nico Escamilla could have joined everybody in Kerrville. I really enjoyed getting to know him and I think he would have had a good time there. I guess we'll have to plan another trip to Mexico and see you there, Nico. Not going to drive our truck to Minas Viejas (sp?) again though! Preston is at Mammoth Cave for the post Congress trip there. The ICS continues... Shari
Re: [Texascavers] Giant Caves and Nico
Yeah Nico should have definitely been in Kerrville, guess he'll just have to make the TCR. On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 4:01 PM, Preston Forsythe pns_...@bellsouth.netwrote: We had a great time at the ICS. It was fun seeing so many old (?) friends. The Giant Caves of Mexico trip was a great way to get it started. Amy and Pete really put a lot of effort into preparing for it and it paid off. One thing that would have made it better would have been if Nico Escamilla could have joined everybody in Kerrville. I really enjoyed getting to know him and I think he would have had a good time there. I guess we'll have to plan another trip to Mexico and see you there, Nico. Not going to drive our truck to Minas Viejas (sp?) again though! Preston is at Mammoth Cave for the post Congress trip there. The ICS continues... Shari
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RE: [Texascavers] ICS Attendance
Well, you see, that depends on how you count. There were around 1570 folks that registered. That includes week long registrants as well as day-pass folks and those that registered and could not attend due to problems like obtaining entrance visas. The numbers kept changing up to the last day when Karen closed registration and books were packed up to be transported to Virginia. A final tally is still being calculated for each category. We might know the final number in a week or so, when Karen gets home and reopens the books. Jon From: Bill Stephens [mailto:stephen...@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 10:12 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] ICS Attendance Does anyone know the final attendance numbers and number of nations represented at the ICS? Bill
Re: [Texascavers] ICS Attendance
Bill, the last count (unofficial) was 1565, more than 300 additional cavers beyond those registered at the start of the congress. Last Sunday it was undecided if the new names would be added to the ICS web site, which should stay up for at least a couple of months. Perhaps when Karen Kastning makes it back home in a few days a more official count can be announced. Personally, I think the ICS web site was a great piece of work and that Texas cavers should push to keep it on line and update it to reflect the success of the 2nd Congress to be held in the USA. I would like to see pictures added that illustrate as many activities as possible so that the few that were unable to make it at the last minute can enjoy what the rest of us experienced. - Pete On Jul 29, 2009, at 9:11 PM, Bill Stephens wrote: Does anyone know the final attendance numbers and number of nations represented at the ICS? Bill
Fwd: [Texascavers] ICS Attendance
George, I know you are recuperating, but if you want to keep the ics2009.us site online and need permanent server and bandwidth, I'll donate it and move the site over to my server. BTW, was a great congress, you built a great team. Charles -- Forwarded message -- From: Pete Lindsley caverp...@gmail.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 8:49 AM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] ICS Attendance To: Bill Stephens stephen...@yahoo.com Cc: Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com, Karen Kastning ka...@skyhopper.net Bill, the last count (unofficial) was 1565, more than 300 additional cavers beyond those registered at the start of the congress. Last Sunday it was undecided if the new names would be added to the ICS web site, which should stay up for at least a couple of months. Perhaps when Karen Kastning makes it back home in a few days a more official count can be announced. Personally, I think the ICS web site was a great piece of work and that Texas cavers should push to keep it on line and update it to reflect the success of the 2nd Congress to be held in the USA. I would like to see pictures added that illustrate as many activities as possible so that the few that were unable to make it at the last minute can enjoy what the rest of us experienced. - Pete On Jul 29, 2009, at 9:11 PM, Bill Stephens wrote: Does anyone know the final attendance numbers and number of nations represented at the ICS? Bill
Re: [Texascavers] ICS Attendance
I think it might be interesting for the historical record to note the ratio of staff to attendees. Would a reasonable guess be 1 staff for every 25 attendees ?or more like 1 to 50 ? Nearly every attendee volunteered in someway to make ICS a success. I think that is what makes caving conventions so successful. For example, I saw one caver, who you all know, that seemed to be making a sincere effort to escort an elderly caver to all the congress events. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] ICS Attendance
I think I heard George Veni say it was something like 30% of the registrants were volunteering... 2009/7/30 David dlocklea...@gmail.com I think it might be interesting for the historical record to note the ratio of staff to attendees. Would a reasonable guess be 1 staff for every 25 attendees ?or more like 1 to 50 ? Nearly every attendee volunteered in someway to make ICS a success. I think that is what makes caving conventions so successful. For example, I saw one caver, who you all know, that seemed to be making a sincere effort to escort an elderly caver to all the congress events. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- Go find out! -Heather Tuček UT Grotto NSS 59660 (512) 773-1348 trog...@cavechat.org
Re: [Texascavers] ICS Attendance
A second on keeping the website around.
the UIS will be able to use a lot of it for the future -- esp. the
translations of policy documents on competitions, for exam, and i
heard rumor that a lot of the material there was written down for the
first time.
don't let the URL expire -- it can be settled on some other server, if need be.
-katie
At 7:49 AM -0600 7/30/09, Pete Lindsley wrote:
Bill, the last count (unofficial) was 1565, more than 300 additional
cavers beyond those registered at the start of the congress. Last
Sunday it was undecided if the new names would be added to the ICS
web site, which should stay up for at least a couple of months.
Perhaps when Karen Kastning makes it back home in a few days a more
official count can be announced.
Personally, I think the ICS web site was a great piece of work and
that Texas cavers should push to keep it on line and update it to
reflect the success of the 2nd Congress to be held in the USA. I
would like to see pictures added that illustrate as many activities
as possible so that the few that were unable to make it at the last
minute can enjoy what the rest of us experienced.
- Pete
On Jul 29, 2009, at 9:11 PM, Bill Stephens wrote:
Does anyone know the final attendance numbers and number of nations
represented at the ICS?
Bill
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ICS Amazing Backpack Stories
On 7/29/09 8:46 PM, Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org wrote: So Frank, what's this I hear about you and your extra big backpack? Actually I had two amazing backpack experiences at ICS: 1) Back in the early 1970s I visited a multiple entrance cave in the Grand Canyon. Technical climbing was required to reach the entrances, and wetsuits were required to negotiate the stream passage deeper inside the cave (which, by the way, had been mapped by Rune and other Texas cavers back in the 1960s). We entered by way of a dry upper entrance, where I stashed the brand-new expensive backpack I had used to transport the wetsuits, rope and climbing gear. Twelve hours later, exhausted from pushing tight leads deep in the cave, we decided to save time by rappelling down to the Colorado River by way of a lower, wet entrance. As dawn light began to illuminate the Grand Canyon, we pushed off down stream in our oar raft and it was shortly thereafter I realized my expensive new backpack remained in that upper entrance. Over the next 35 years, especially when I passed below those cave entrances on numerous Grand Canyon raft trips, I wondered what might have happened to that pack. So imagine my surprise at the ICS banquet when Bob and Debbie Buecher came over and asked if I was missing a backpack. A few years ago Bob was at that particular entrance and noticed a dusty pack stashed on a ledge. He's got it at his home in Tucson and plans to reunite me with it. 2) My other ICS amazing backpack story concerns the charity of my good friend Bill Steele. One day I loaded up my backpack with heavy books I planned to mail home (ICS proceedings, Derek Ford's Castleguard book, Bill's Huautla book, a coffee table-sized French caving diving book, the Vertical Bill Cuddington bio, etc.) Unfortunately, the campus mail center was closed when I arrived but Bill Steele graciously allowed me to stash the pack in his truck while he, Diana and I attended the photo salon. Later that night he was kind enough to hand deliver the pack to me in Groad Hollow. As I schlepped the pack across campus to my apartment, I remember thinking how smart I was to be mailing those books home--they weighed a ton and never would have passed airline weight limits. The never morning I struggled to get the heavy pack on my back and made the long walk the length of the campus from the Pecan Grove apartments to the registration building coffee shop. The mail center wasn't open so I carried the pack around most of the day, criss-crossing the campus numerous times for various sessions. Finally I made it to the mail center with the backpack, where upon transferring the contents into Priority Mail cartons I discovered a quite large, beautifully stream-sculpted, authentic Texas karst rock in the bottom of the pack. What a thoughtful gift--Thanks, Bill!
Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories
And how long have you known Bill? Caved with him? Really cool story about the Grand Canyon and your pack though. Charles On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Frank Binneyfr...@frankbinney.com wrote: On 7/29/09 8:46 PM, Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org wrote: So Frank, what's this I hear about you and your extra big backpack? Actually I had two amazing backpack experiences at ICS: 1) Back in the early 1970s I visited a multiple entrance cave in the Grand Canyon. Technical climbing was required to reach the entrances, and wetsuits were required to negotiate the stream passage deeper inside the cave (which, by the way, had been mapped by Rune and other Texas cavers back in the 1960s). We entered by way of a dry upper entrance, where I stashed the brand-new expensive backpack I had used to transport the wetsuits, rope and climbing gear. Twelve hours later, exhausted from pushing tight leads deep in the cave, we decided to save time by rappelling down to the Colorado River by way of a lower, wet entrance. As dawn light began to illuminate the Grand Canyon, we pushed off down stream in our oar raft and it was shortly thereafter I realized my expensive new backpack remained in that upper entrance. Over the next 35 years, especially when I passed below those cave entrances on numerous Grand Canyon raft trips, I wondered what might have happened to that pack. So imagine my surprise at the ICS banquet when Bob and Debbie Buecher came over and asked if I was missing a backpack. A few years ago Bob was at that particular entrance and noticed a dusty pack stashed on a ledge. He's got it at his home in Tucson and plans to reunite me with it. 2) My other ICS amazing backpack story concerns the charity of my good friend Bill Steele. One day I loaded up my backpack with heavy books I planned to mail home (ICS proceedings, Derek Ford's Castleguard book, Bill's Huautla book, a coffee table-sized French caving diving book, the Vertical Bill Cuddington bio, etc.) Unfortunately, the campus mail center was closed when I arrived but Bill Steele graciously allowed me to stash the pack in his truck while he, Diana and I attended the photo salon. Later that night he was kind enough to hand deliver the pack to me in Groad Hollow. As I schlepped the pack across campus to my apartment, I remember thinking how smart I was to be mailing those books home--they weighed a ton and never would have passed airline weight limits. The never morning I struggled to get the heavy pack on my back and made the long walk the length of the campus from the Pecan Grove apartments to the registration building coffee shop. The mail center wasn't open so I carried the pack around most of the day, criss-crossing the campus numerous times for various sessions. Finally I made it to the mail center with the backpack, where upon transferring the contents into Priority Mail cartons I discovered a quite large, beautifully stream-sculpted, authentic Texas karst rock in the bottom of the pack. What a thoughtful gift--Thanks, Bill!
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-- Forwarded message -- From: Frank Binney fr...@frankbinney.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:23 AM Subject: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories To: Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org, Texas Cavers texascavers@texascavers.com On 7/29/09 8:46 PM, Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org wrote: So Frank, what's this I hear about you and your extra big backpack? Actually I had two amazing backpack experiences at ICS: 1) Back in the early 1970s I visited a multiple entrance cave in the Grand Canyon. Technical climbing was required to reach the entrances, and wetsuits were required to negotiate the stream passage deeper inside the cave (which, by the way, had been mapped by Rune and other Texas cavers back in the 1960s). We entered by way of a dry upper entrance, where I stashed the brand-new expensive backpack I had used to transport the wetsuits, rope and climbing gear. Twelve hours later, exhausted from pushing tight leads deep in the cave, we decided to save time by rappelling down to the Colorado River by way of a lower, wet entrance. As dawn light began to illuminate the Grand Canyon, we pushed off down stream in our oar raft and it was shortly thereafter I realized my expensive new backpack remained in that upper entrance. Over the next 35 years, especially when I passed below those cave entrances on numerous Grand Canyon raft trips, I wondered what might have happened to that pack. So imagine my surprise at the ICS banquet when Bob and Debbie Buecher came over and asked if I was missing a backpack. A few years ago Bob was at that particular entrance and noticed a dusty pack stashed on a ledge. He's got it at his home in Tucson and plans to reunite me with it. 2) My other ICS amazing backpack story concerns the charity of my good friend Bill Steele. One day I loaded up my backpack with heavy books I planned to mail home (ICS proceedings, Derek Ford's Castleguard book, Bill's Huautla book, a coffee table-sized French caving diving book, the Vertical Bill Cuddington bio, etc.) Unfortunately, the campus mail center was closed when I arrived but Bill Steele graciously allowed me to stash the pack in his truck while he, Diana and I attended the photo salon. Later that night he was kind enough to hand deliver the pack to me in Groad Hollow. As I schlepped the pack across campus to my apartment, I remember thinking how smart I was to be mailing those books home--they weighed a ton and never would have passed airline weight limits. The never morning I struggled to get the heavy pack on my back and made the long walk the length of the campus from the Pecan Grove apartments to the registration building coffee shop. The mail center wasn't open so I carried the pack around most of the day, criss-crossing the campus numerous times for various sessions. Finally I made it to the mail center with the backpack, where upon transferring the contents into Priority Mail cartons I discovered a quite large, beautifully stream-sculpted, authentic Texas karst rock in the bottom of the pack. What a thoughtful gift--Thanks, Bill!
Re: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories
I first met Bill Steele when we were young JV surveyors with CRF at Mammoth Cave circa 1969--1970. He was from Indiana and I was from Missouri at the time. By the way, here's a link to some ICS photos I put up on my Facebook page. I don't think you have to be on Facebook to see them: http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2032400id=1172443723#/album.php?aid=2 032400id=1172443723ref=mf --Frank On 7/30/09 8:33 AM, Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org wrote: And how long have you known Bill? Caved with him? Really cool story about the Grand Canyon and your pack though. Charles
Re: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories
Apparently you do have to be on facebook to view the photos :-( -- Original message from Frank Binney fr...@frankbinney.com: -- I first met Bill Steele when we were young JV surveyors with CRF at Mammoth Cave circa 1969--1970. He was from Indiana and I was from Missouri at the time. By the way, here's a link to some ICS photos I put up on my Facebook page. I don't think you have to be on Facebook to see them: http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2032400id=1172443723#/album.php?aid=2 032400id=1172443723ref=mf --Frank On 7/30/09 8:33 AM, Charles Goldsmith wrote: And how long have you known Bill? Caved with him? Really cool story about the Grand Canyon and your pack though. Charles - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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Bill Steele has told similar stories and is famous for this. You were just one of the fortunate recipients. Fritz -Original Message- From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 10:34 AM To: Frank Binney Cc: Texas Cavers Subject: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories And how long have you known Bill? Caved with him? Really cool story about the Grand Canyon and your pack though. Charles On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Frank Binneyfr...@frankbinney.com wrote: On 7/29/09 8:46 PM, Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org wrote: So Frank, what's this I hear about you and your extra big backpack? Actually I had two amazing backpack experiences at ICS: 1) Back in the early 1970s I visited a multiple entrance cave in the Grand Canyon. Technical climbing was required to reach the entrances, and wetsuits were required to negotiate the stream passage deeper inside the cave (which, by the way, had been mapped by Rune and other Texas cavers back in the 1960s). We entered by way of a dry upper entrance, where I stashed the brand-new expensive backpack I had used to transport the wetsuits, rope and climbing gear. Twelve hours later, exhausted from pushing tight leads deep in the cave, we decided to save time by rappelling down to the Colorado River by way of a lower, wet entrance. As dawn light began to illuminate the Grand Canyon, we pushed off down stream in our oar raft and it was shortly thereafter I realized my expensive new backpack remained in that upper entrance. Over the next 35 years, especially when I passed below those cave entrances on numerous Grand Canyon raft trips, I wondered what might have happened to that pack. So imagine my surprise at the ICS banquet when Bob and Debbie Buecher came over and asked if I was missing a backpack. A few years ago Bob was at that particular entrance and noticed a dusty pack stashed on a ledge. He's got it at his home in Tucson and plans to reunite me with it. 2) My other ICS amazing backpack story concerns the charity of my good friend Bill Steele. One day I loaded up my backpack with heavy books I planned to mail home (ICS proceedings, Derek Ford's Castleguard book, Bill's Huautla book, a coffee table-sized French caving diving book, the Vertical Bill Cuddington bio, etc.) Unfortunately, the campus mail center was closed when I arrived but Bill Steele graciously allowed me to stash the pack in his truck while he, Diana and I attended the photo salon. Later that night he was kind enough to hand deliver the pack to me in Groad Hollow. As I schlepped the pack across campus to my apartment, I remember thinking how smart I was to be mailing those books home--they weighed a ton and never would have passed airline weight limits. The never morning I struggled to get the heavy pack on my back and made the long walk the length of the campus from the Pecan Grove apartments to the registration building coffee shop. The mail center wasn't open so I carried the pack around most of the day, criss-crossing the campus numerous times for various sessions. Finally I made it to the mail center with the backpack, where upon transferring the contents into Priority Mail cartons I discovered a quite large, beautifully stream-sculpted, authentic Texas karst rock in the bottom of the pack. What a thoughtful gift--Thanks, Bill! - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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LOL..Lesson learned once againNEVER LEAVE your back pack ALONE with Bill Steele for even a NANO-SECONDor you WILL end up with a rock in your pack. Thats like one of the TEN COMMANDMENTS of CAVING Thou shalt not trusteth thine pack to the Man O Steele... --- On Thu, 7/30/09, Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.com wrote: From: Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories To: Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org, Frank Binney fr...@frankbinney.com Cc: Texas Cavers texascavers@texascavers.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 12:20 PM Bill Steele has told similar stories and is famous for this. You were just one of the fortunate recipients. Fritz -Original Message- From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 10:34 AM To: Frank Binney Cc: Texas Cavers Subject: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories And how long have you known Bill? Caved with him? Really cool story about the Grand Canyon and your pack though. Charles On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Frank Binneyfr...@frankbinney.com wrote: On 7/29/09 8:46 PM, Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org wrote: So Frank, what's this I hear about you and your extra big backpack? Actually I had two amazing backpack experiences at ICS: 1) Back in the early 1970s I visited a multiple entrance cave in the Grand Canyon. Technical climbing was required to reach the entrances, and wetsuits were required to negotiate the stream passage deeper inside the cave (which, by the way, had been mapped by Rune and other Texas cavers back in the 1960s). We entered by way of a dry upper entrance, where I stashed the brand-new expensive backpack I had used to transport the wetsuits, rope and climbing gear. Twelve hours later, exhausted from pushing tight leads deep in the cave, we decided to save time by rappelling down to the Colorado River by way of a lower, wet entrance. As dawn light began to illuminate the Grand Canyon, we pushed off down stream in our oar raft and it was shortly thereafter I realized my expensive new backpack remained in that upper entrance. Over the next 35 years, especially when I passed below those cave entrances on numerous Grand Canyon raft trips, I wondered what might have happened to that pack. So imagine my surprise at the ICS banquet when Bob and Debbie Buecher came over and asked if I was missing a backpack. A few years ago Bob was at that particular entrance and noticed a dusty pack stashed on a ledge. He's got it at his home in Tucson and plans to reunite me with it. 2) My other ICS amazing backpack story concerns the charity of my good friend Bill Steele. One day I loaded up my backpack with heavy books I planned to mail home (ICS proceedings, Derek Ford's Castleguard book, Bill's Huautla book, a coffee table-sized French caving diving book, the Vertical Bill Cuddington bio, etc.) Unfortunately, the campus mail center was closed when I arrived but Bill Steele graciously allowed me to stash the pack in his truck while he, Diana and I attended the photo salon. Later that night he was kind enough to hand deliver the pack to me in Groad Hollow. As I schlepped the pack across campus to my apartment, I remember thinking how smart I was to be mailing those books home--they weighed a ton and never would have passed airline weight limits. The never morning I struggled to get the heavy pack on my back and made the long walk the length of the campus from the Pecan Grove apartments to the registration building coffee shop. The mail center wasn't open so I carried the pack around most of the day, criss-crossing the campus numerous times for various sessions. Finally I made it to the mail center with the backpack, where upon transferring the contents into Priority Mail cartons I discovered a quite large, beautifully stream-sculpted, authentic Texas karst rock in the bottom of the pack. What a thoughtful gift--Thanks, Bill! - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories
He's not the only one who does this!? I've been a victim as well, but since I collect rocks, it really wasn't a bad thing! julia -Original Message- From: John P Brooks jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net To: Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org; Frank Binney fr...@frankbinney.com; Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.com Cc: Texas Cavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:39 pm Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories LOL..Lesson learned once againNEVER LEAVE your back pack ALONE with Bill Steele for even a NANO-SECONDor you?WILL end up with a rock in your pack. ? Thats like one of the TEN COMMANDMENTS of CAVING Thou shalt not trusteth thine pack to the Man O Steele... --- On Thu, 7/30/09, Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.com wrote: From: Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories To: Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org, Frank Binney fr...@frankbinney.com Cc: Texas Cavers texascavers@texascavers.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 12:20 PM Bill Steele has told similar stories and is famous for this. You were just one of the fortunate recipients. Fritz -Original Message- From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 10:34 AM To: Frank Binney Cc: Texas Cavers Subject: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories And how long have you known Bill?? Caved with him? Really cool story about the Grand Canyon and your pack though. Charles On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Frank Binneyfr...@frankbinney.com wrote: On 7/29/09 8:46 PM, Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org wrote: So Frank, what's this I hear about you and your extra big backpack? Actually I had two amazing backpack experiences at ICS: 1) Back in the early 1970s I visited a multiple entrance cave in the Grand Canyon. Technical climbing was required to reach the entrances, and wetsuits were required to negotiate the stream passage deeper inside the cave (which, by the way, had been mapped by Rune and other Texas cavers back in the 1960s). We entered by way of a dry upper entrance, where I stashed the brand-new expensive backpack I had used to transport the wetsuits, rope and climbing gear. Twelve hours later, exhausted from pushing tight leads deep in the cave, we decided to save time by rappelling down to the Colorado River by way of a lower, wet entrance. As dawn light began to illuminate the Grand Canyon, we pushed off down stream in our oar raft and it was shortly thereafter I realized my expensive new backpack remained in that upper entrance. Over the next 35 years, especially when I passed below those cave entrances on numerous Grand Canyon raft trips, I wondered what might have happened to that pack. So imagine my surprise at the ICS banquet when Bob and Debbie Buecher came over and asked if I was missing a backpack. A few years ago Bob was at that particular entrance and noticed a dusty pack stashed on a ledge. He's got it at his home in Tucson and plans to reunite me with it. 2) My other ICS amazing backpack story concerns the charity of my good friend Bill Steele. One day I loaded up my backpack with heavy books I planned to mail home (ICS proceedings, Derek Ford's Castleguard book, Bill's Huautla book, a coffee table-sized French caving diving book, the Vertical Bill Cuddington bio, etc.) Unfortunately, the campus mail center was closed when I arrived but Bill Steele graciously allowed me to stash the pack in his truck while he, Diana and I attended the photo salon. Later that night he was kind enough to hand deliver the pack to me in Groad Hollow. As I schlepped the pack across campus to my apartment, I remember thinking how smart I was to be mailing those books home--they weighed a ton and never would have passed airline weight limits. The never morning I struggled to get the heavy pack on my back and made the long walk the length of the campus from the Pecan Grove apartments to the registration building coffee shop. The mail center wasn't open so I carried the pack around most of the day, criss-crossing the campus numerous times for various sessions. Finally I made it to the mail center with the backpack, where upon transferring the contents into Priority Mail cartons I discovered a quite large, beautifully stream-sculpted, authentic Texas karst rock in the bottom of the pack. What a thoughtful gift--Thanks, Bill! - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For
RE: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories
It is a good thing if they are good rocks. Personally, I never met a rock that I didn't like, except maybe the one that broke my windshield. I have a rock fetish. Fritz From: germa...@aol.com [mailto:germa...@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 12:44 PM To: jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net; wo...@justfamily.org; fr...@frankbinney.com; Fritz Holt Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories He's not the only one who does this! I've been a victim as well, but since I collect rocks, it really wasn't a bad thing! julia -Original Message- From: John P Brooks jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net To: Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org; Frank Binney fr...@frankbinney.com; Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.com Cc: Texas Cavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:39 pm Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories LOL..Lesson learned once againNEVER LEAVE your back pack ALONE with Bill Steele for even a NANO-SECONDor you WILL end up with a rock in your pack. Thats like one of the TEN COMMANDMENTS of CAVING Thou shalt not trusteth thine pack to the Man O Steele... --- On Thu, 7/30/09, Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.commailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com wrote: From: Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.commailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories To: Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.orgmailto:wo...@justfamily.org, Frank Binney fr...@frankbinney.commailto:fr...@frankbinney.com Cc: Texas Cavers texascavers@texascavers.commailto:texascavers@texascavers.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 12:20 PM Bill Steele has told similar stories and is famous for this. You were just one of the fortunate recipients. Fritz -Original Message- From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.orghttp://us.mc1800.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wo...@justfamily.org] Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 10:34 AM To: Frank Binney Cc: Texas Cavers Subject: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories And how long have you known Bill? Caved with him? Really cool story about the Grand Canyon and your pack though. Charles On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Frank Binneyfr...@frankbinney.comhttp://us.mc1800.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fr...@frankbinney.com wrote: On 7/29/09 8:46 PM, Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.orghttp://us.mc1800.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wo...@justfamily.org wrote: So Frank, what's this I hear about you and your extra big backpack? Actually I had two amazing backpack experiences at ICS: 1) Back in the early 1970s I visited a multiple entrance cave in the Grand Canyon. Technical climbing was required to reach the entrances, and wetsuits were required to negotiate the stream passage deeper inside the cave (which, by the way, had been mapped by Rune and other Texas cavers back in the 1960s). We entered by way of a dry upper entrance, where I stashed the brand-new expensive backpack I had used to transport the wetsuits, rope and climbing gear. Twelve hours later, exhausted from pushing tight leads deep in the cave, we decided to save time by rappelling down to the Colorado River by way of a lower, wet entrance. As dawn light began to illuminate the Grand Canyon, we pushed off down stream in our oar raft and it was shortly thereafter I realized my expensive new backpack remained in that upper entrance. Over the next 35 years, especially when I passed below those cave entrances on numerous Grand Canyon raft trips, I wondered what might have happened to that pack. So imagine my surprise at the ICS banquet when Bob and Debbie Buecher came over and asked if I was missing a backpack. A few years ago Bob was at that particular entrance and noticed a dusty pack stashed on a ledge. He's got it at his home in Tucson and plans to reunite me with it. 2) My other ICS amazing backpack story concerns the charity of my good friend Bill Steele. One day I loaded up my backpack with heavy books I planned to mail home (ICS proceedings, Derek Ford's Castleguard book, Bill's Huautla book, a coffee table-sized French caving diving book, the Vertical Bill Cuddington bio, etc.) Unfortunately, the campus mail center was closed when I arrived but Bill Steele graciously allowed me to stash the pack in his truck while he, Diana and I attended the photo salon. Later that night he was kind enough to hand deliver the pack to me in Groad Hollow. As I schlepped the pack across campus to my apartment, I remember thinking how smart I was to be mailing those books home--they weighed a ton and never would have passed airline weight limits. The never morning I struggled to get the heavy pack on my back and made the long walk the length of the campus from the Pecan Grove apartments to the registration building coffee shop. The mail center wasn't open so I carried the
Re: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories
The hard way is always the best way to learn something.. and ditto thou shalt not trusteth thine pack to Bill S. unless of course you're some sort of masochist and like hauling rocks around.. I'm sure theres many a caver trying to get back at Bill for this Nico LOL..Lesson learned once again*NEVER LEAVE your back pack ALONE with Bill Steele for even a NANO-SECOND*or you *WILL* end up with a rock in your pack. Thats like one of the TEN COMMANDMENTS of CAVING Thou shalt not trusteth thine pack to the Man O Steele... --- On *Thu, 7/30/09, Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.com* wrote: From: Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories To: Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org, Frank Binney fr...@frankbinney.com Cc: Texas Cavers texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 12:20 PM Bill Steele has told similar stories and is famous for this. You were just one of the fortunate recipients. Fritz -Original Message- From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.orghttp://us.mc1800.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wo...@justfamily.org ] Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 10:34 AM To: Frank Binney Cc: Texas Cavers Subject: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories And how long have you known Bill? Caved with him? Really cool story about the Grand Canyon and your pack though. Charles On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Frank Binneyfr...@frankbinney.comhttp://us.mc1800.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fr...@frankbinney.com wrote: On 7/29/09 8:46 PM, Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.orghttp://us.mc1800.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wo...@justfamily.org wrote: So Frank, what's this I hear about you and your extra big backpack? Actually I had two amazing backpack experiences at ICS: 1) Back in the early 1970s I visited a multiple entrance cave in the Grand Canyon. Technical climbing was required to reach the entrances, and wetsuits were required to negotiate the stream passage deeper inside the cave (which, by the way, had been mapped by Rune and other Texas cavers back in the 1960s). We entered by way of a dry upper entrance, where I stashed the brand-new expensive backpack I had used to transport the wetsuits, rope and climbing gear. Twelve hours later, exhausted from pushing tight leads deep in the cave, we decided to save time by rappelling down to the Colorado River by way of a lower, wet entrance. As dawn light began to illuminate the Grand Canyon, we pushed off down stream in our oar raft and it was shortly thereafter I realized my expensive new backpack remained in that upper entrance. Over the next 35 years, especially when I passed below those cave entrances on numerous Grand Canyon raft trips, I wondered what might have happened to that pack. So imagine my surprise at the ICS banquet when Bob and Debbie Buecher came over and asked if I was missing a backpack. A few years ago Bob was at that particular entrance and noticed a dusty pack stashed on a ledge. He's got it at his home in Tucson and plans to reunite me with it. 2) My other ICS amazing backpack story concerns the charity of my good friend Bill Steele. One day I loaded up my backpack with heavy books I planned to mail home (ICS proceedings, Derek Ford's Castleguard book, Bill's Huautla book, a coffee table-sized French caving diving book, the Vertical Bill Cuddington bio, etc.) Unfortunately, the campus mail center was closed when I arrived but Bill Steele graciously allowed me to stash the pack in his truck while he, Diana and I attended the photo salon. Later that night he was kind enough to hand deliver the pack to me in Groad Hollow. As I schlepped the pack across campus to my apartment, I remember thinking how smart I was to be mailing those books home--they weighed a ton and never would have passed airline weight limits. The never morning I struggled to get the heavy pack on my back and made the long walk the length of the campus from the Pecan Grove apartments to the registration building coffee shop. The mail center wasn't open so I carried the pack around most of the day, criss-crossing the campus numerous times for various sessions. Finally I made it to the mail center with the backpack, where upon transferring the contents into Priority Mail cartons I discovered a quite large, beautifully stream-sculpted, authentic Texas karst rock in the bottom of the pack. What a thoughtful gift--Thanks, Bill! - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.comhttp://us.mc1800.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.comhttp://us.mc1800.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories
It's even better when you're hauling concrete pigs down into a cave with a few rocks ... (Blowing Sink Project) ... LOL Andy Zenker Texas Caver --- On Thu, 7/30/09, germa...@aol.com germa...@aol.com wrote: From: germa...@aol.com germa...@aol.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories To: jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net, wo...@justfamily.org, fr...@frankbinney.com, fh...@townandcountryins.com Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 12:44 PM He's not the only one who does this! I've been a victim as well, but since I collect rocks, it really wasn't a bad thing! julia -Original Message- From: John P Brooks jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net To: Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org; Frank Binney fr...@frankbinney.com; Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.com Cc: Texas Cavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:39 pm Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories LOL..Lesson learned once againNEVER LEAVE your back pack ALONE with Bill Steele for even a NANO-SECONDor you WILL end up with a rock in your pack. Thats like one of the TEN COMMANDMENTS of CAVING Thou shalt not trusteth thine pack to the Man O Steele... --- On Thu, 7/30/09, Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.com wrote: From: Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories To: Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org, Frank Binney fr...@frankbinney.com Cc: Texas Cavers texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 12:20 PM Bill Steele has told similar stories and is famous for this. You were just one of the fortunate recipients. Fritz -Original Message- From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 10:34 AM To: Frank Binney Cc: Texas Cavers Subject: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories And how long have you known Bill? Caved with him? Really cool story about the Grand Canyon and your pack though. Charles On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Frank Binneyfr...@frankbinney.com wrote: On 7/29/09 8:46 PM, Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org wrote: So Frank, what's this I hear about you and your extra big backpack? Actually I had two amazing backpack experiences at ICS: 1) Back in the early 1970s I visited a multiple entrance cave in the Grand Canyon. Technical climbing was required to reach the entrances, and wetsuits were required to negotiate the stream passage deeper inside the cave (which, by the way, had been mapped by Rune and other Texas cavers back in the 1960s). We entered by way of a dry upper entrance, where I stashed the brand-new expensive backpack I had used to transport the wetsuits, rope and climbing gear. Twelve hours later, exhausted from pushing tight leads deep in the cave, we decided to save time by rappelling down to the Colorado River by way of a lower, wet entrance. As dawn light began to illuminate the Grand Canyon, we pushed off down stream in our oar raft and it was shortly thereafter I realized my expensive new backpack remained in that upper entrance. Over the next 35 years, especially when I passed below those cave entrances on numerous Grand Canyon raft trips, I wondered what might have happened to that pack. So imagine my surprise at the ICS banquet when Bob and Debbie Buecher came over and asked if I was missing a backpack. A few years ago Bob was at that particular entrance and noticed a dusty pack stashed on a ledge. He's got it at his home in Tucson and plans to reunite me with it. 2) My other ICS amazing backpack story concerns the charity of my good friend Bill Steele. One day I loaded up my backpack with heavy books I planned to mail home (ICS proceedings, Derek Ford's Castleguard book, Bill's Huautla book, a coffee table-sized French caving diving book, the Vertical Bill Cuddington bio, etc.) Unfortunately, the campus mail center was closed when I arrived but Bill Steele graciously allowed me to stash the pack in his truck while he, Diana and I attended the photo salon. Later that night he was kind enough to hand deliver the pack to me in Groad Hollow. As I schlepped the pack across campus to my apartment, I remember thinking how smart I was to be mailing those books home--they weighed a ton and never would have passed airline weight limits. The never morning I struggled to get the heavy pack on my back and made the long walk the length of the campus from the Pecan Grove apartments to the registration building coffee shop. The mail center wasn't open so I carried the pack around most of the day, criss-crossing the campus numerous times for various sessions. Finally I made it to the mail center with the backpack, where upon transferring the contents into Priority Mail cartons I discovered a
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I to have been Stoned by Steele. I wander who holds the record for , most people they have rocked. A story needs to be writen for the Caver. Bill , why dont you tell us of your rocky memories. Puns Excepted From: germa...@aol.com germa...@aol.com To: jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net; wo...@justfamily.org; fr...@frankbinney.com; fh...@townandcountryins.com Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 12:44:06 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories He's not the only one who does this! I've been a victim as well, but since I collect rocks, it really wasn't a bad thing! julia -Original Message- From: John P Brooks jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net To: Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org; Frank Binney fr...@frankbinney.com; Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.com Cc: Texas Cavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:39 pm Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories LOL..Lesson learned once againNEVER LEAVE your back pack ALONE with Bill Steele for even a NANO-SECONDor you WILL end up with a rock in your pack. Thats like one of the TEN COMMANDMENTS of CAVING Thou shalt not trusteth thine pack to the Man O Steele... --- On Thu, 7/30/09, Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.com wrote: From: Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories To: Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org, Frank Binney fr...@frankbinney.com Cc: Texas Cavers texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 12:20 PM Bill Steele has told similar stories and is famous for this. You were just one of the fortunate recipients. Fritz -Original Message- From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 10:34 AM To: Frank Binney Cc: Texas Cavers Subject: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories And how long have you known Bill? Caved with him? Really cool story about the Grand Canyon and your pack though. Charles On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Frank Binneyfr...@frankbinney.com wrote: On 7/29/09 8:46 PM, Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org wrote: So Frank, what's this I hear about you and your extra big backpack? Actually I had two amazing backpack experiences at ICS: 1) Back in the early 1970s I visited a multiple entrance cave in the Grand Canyon. Technical climbing was required to reach the entrances, and wetsuits were required to negotiate the stream passage deeper inside the cave (which, by the way, had been mapped by Rune and other Texas cavers back in the 1960s). We entered by way of a dry upper entrance, where I stashed the brand-new expensive backpack I had used to transport the wetsuits, rope and climbing gear. Twelve hours later, exhausted from pushing tight leads deep in the cave, we decided to save time by rappelling down to the Colorado River by way of a lower, wet entrance. As dawn light began to illuminate the Grand Canyon, we pushed off down stream in our oar raft and it was shortly thereafter I realized my expensive new backpack remained in that upper entrance. Over the next 35 years, especially when I passed below those cave entrances on numerous Grand Canyon raft trips, I wondered what might have happened to that pack. So imagine my surprise at the ICS banquet when Bob and Debbie Buecher came over and asked if I was missing a backpack. A few years ago Bob was at that particular entrance and noticed a dusty pack stashed on a ledge. He's got it at his home in Tucson and plans to reunite me with it. 2) My other ICS amazing backpack story concerns the charity of my good friend Bill Steele. One day I loaded up my backpack with heavy books I planned to mail home (ICS proceedings, Derek Ford's Castleguard book, Bill's Huautla book, a coffee table-sized French caving diving book, the Vertical Bill Cuddington bio, etc.) Unfortunately, the campus mail center was closed when I arrived but Bill Steele graciously allowed me to stash the pack in his truck while he, Diana and I attended the photo salon. Later that night he was kind enough to hand deliver the pack to me in Groad Hollow. As I schlepped the pack across campus to my apartment, I remember thinking how smart I was to be mailing those books home--they weighed a ton and never would have passed airline weight limits. The never morning I struggled to get the heavy pack on my back and made the long walk the length of the campus from the Pecan Grove apartments to the registration building coffee shop. The mail center wasn't open so I carried the pack around most of the day, criss-crossing the campus numerous times for various sessions. Finally I made it to the mail center with the backpack, where upon transferring the contents into Priority Mail cartons I discovered a quite large, beautifully stream-sculpted, authentic Texas karst rock in the bottom of the pack. What a thoughtful
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Ok, I'll do it. I rocked James Brown last night at the grotto meeting. I even told him I was going to. I placed two decoy rocks and a well hidden rock in a pack he had left at our house. He probably found the decoys and didn't look hard enough to find the third one. Tee hee. Bill mark gee markageetxca...@yahoo.com wrote: I to have been Stoned by Steele. I wander who holds the record for , most people they have rocked. A story needs to be writen for the Caver. Bill , why dont you tell us of your rocky memories. Puns Excepted From: germa...@aol.com germa...@aol.com To: jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net; wo...@justfamily.org; fr...@frankbinney.com; fh...@townandcountryins.com Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 12:44:06 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories He's not the only one who does this! I've been a victim as well, but since I collect rocks, it really wasn't a bad thing! julia -Original Message- From: John P Brooks jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net To: Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org; Frank Binney fr...@frankbinney.com; Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.com Cc: Texas Cavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:39 pm Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories LOL..Lesson learned once againNEVER LEAVE your back pack ALONE with Bill Steele for even a NANO-SECONDor you WILL end up with a rock in your pack. Thats like one of the TEN COMMANDMENTS of CAVING Thou shalt not trusteth thine pack to the Man O Steele... --- On Thu, 7/30/09, Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.com wrote: From: Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories To: Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org, Frank Binney fr...@frankbinney.com Cc: Texas Cavers texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 12:20 PM Bill Steele has told similar stories and is famous for this. You were just one of the fortunate recipients. Fritz -Original Message- From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 10:34 AM To: Frank Binney Cc: Texas Cavers Subject: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories And how long have you known Bill? Caved with him? Really cool story about the Grand Canyon and your pack though. Charles On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Frank Binneyfr...@frankbinney.com wrote: On 7/29/09 8:46 PM, Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org wrote: So Frank, what's this I hear about you and your extra big backpack? Actually I had two amazing backpack experiences at ICS: 1) Back in the early 1970s I visited a multiple entrance cave in the Grand Canyon. Technical climbing was required to reach the entrances, and wetsuits were required to negotiate the stream passage deeper inside the cave (which, by the way, had been mapped by Rune and other Texas cavers back in the 1960s). We entered by way of a dry upper entrance, where I stashed the brand-new expensive backpack I had used to transport the wetsuits, rope and climbing gear. Twelve hours later, exhausted from pushing tight leads deep in the cave, we decided to save time by rappelling down to the Colorado River by way of a lower, wet entrance. As dawn light began to illuminate the Grand Canyon, we pushed off down stream in our oar raft and it was shortly thereafter I realized my expensive new backpack remained in that upper entrance. Over the next 35 years, especially when I passed below those cave entrances on numerous Grand Canyon raft trips, I wondered what might have happened to that pack. So imagine my surprise at the ICS banquet when Bob and Debbie Buecher came over and asked if I was missing a backpack. A few years ago Bob was at that particular entrance and noticed a dusty pack stashed on a ledge. He's got it at his home in Tucson and plans to reunite me with it. 2) My other ICS amazing backpack story concerns the charity of my good friend Bill Steele. One day I loaded up my backpack with heavy books I planned to mail home (ICS proceedings, Derek Ford's Castleguard book, Bill's Huautla book, a coffee table-sized French caving diving book, the Vertical Bill Cuddington bio, etc.) Unfortunately, the campus mail center was closed when I arrived but Bill Steele graciously allowed me to stash the pack in his truck while he, Diana and I attended the photo salon. Later that night he was kind enough to hand deliver the pack to me in Groad Hollow. As I schlepped the pack across campus to my apartment, I remember thinking how smart I was to be mailing those books home--they weighed a ton and never would have passed airline weight limits. The never morning I struggled to get the heavy pack on my back and made the long walk the length of the campus from the Pecan Grove apartments to the registration building coffee shop. The mail center wasn't open so I carried the pack around
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I dunno if he found it or not, he didn't say anything. I'm making a mental note, never to leave any bags unattended around Mr. Steele. Charles On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 9:30 PM, speleoste...@tx.rr.com wrote: Ok, I'll do it. I rocked James Brown last night at the grotto meeting. I even told him I was going to. I placed two decoy rocks and a well hidden rock in a pack he had left at our house. He probably found the decoys and didn't look hard enough to find the third one. Tee hee. Bill mark gee markageetxca...@yahoo.com wrote: I to have been Stoned by Steele. I wander who holds the record for , most people they have rocked. A story needs to be writen for the Caver. Bill , why dont you tell us of your rocky memories. Puns Excepted From: germa...@aol.com germa...@aol.com To: jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net; wo...@justfamily.org; fr...@frankbinney.com; fh...@townandcountryins.com Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 12:44:06 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories He's not the only one who does this! I've been a victim as well, but since I collect rocks, it really wasn't a bad thing! julia -Original Message- From: John P Brooks jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net To: Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org; Frank Binney fr...@frankbinney.com; Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.com Cc: Texas Cavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Thu, Jul 30, 2009 12:39 pm Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories LOL..Lesson learned once againNEVER LEAVE your back pack ALONE with Bill Steele for even a NANO-SECONDor you WILL end up with a rock in your pack. Thats like one of the TEN COMMANDMENTS of CAVING Thou shalt not trusteth thine pack to the Man O Steele... --- On Thu, 7/30/09, Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.com wrote: From: Fritz Holt fh...@townandcountryins.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories To: Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org, Frank Binney fr...@frankbinney.com Cc: Texas Cavers texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 12:20 PM Bill Steele has told similar stories and is famous for this. You were just one of the fortunate recipients. Fritz -Original Message- From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 10:34 AM To: Frank Binney Cc: Texas Cavers Subject: [Texascavers] Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories And how long have you known Bill? Caved with him? Really cool story about the Grand Canyon and your pack though. Charles On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Frank Binneyfr...@frankbinney.com wrote: On 7/29/09 8:46 PM, Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org wrote: So Frank, what's this I hear about you and your extra big backpack? Actually I had two amazing backpack experiences at ICS: 1) Back in the early 1970s I visited a multiple entrance cave in the Grand Canyon. Technical climbing was required to reach the entrances, and wetsuits were required to negotiate the stream passage deeper inside the cave (which, by the way, had been mapped by Rune and other Texas cavers back in the 1960s). We entered by way of a dry upper entrance, where I stashed the brand-new expensive backpack I had used to transport the wetsuits, rope and climbing gear. Twelve hours later, exhausted from pushing tight leads deep in the cave, we decided to save time by rappelling down to the Colorado River by way of a lower, wet entrance. As dawn light began to illuminate the Grand Canyon, we pushed off down stream in our oar raft and it was shortly thereafter I realized my expensive new backpack remained in that upper entrance. Over the next 35 years, especially when I passed below those cave entrances on numerous Grand Canyon raft trips, I wondered what might have happened to that pack. So imagine my surprise at the ICS banquet when Bob and Debbie Buecher came over and asked if I was missing a backpack. A few years ago Bob was at that particular entrance and noticed a dusty pack stashed on a ledge. He's got it at his home in Tucson and plans to reunite me with it. 2) My other ICS amazing backpack story concerns the charity of my good friend Bill Steele. One day I loaded up my backpack with heavy books I planned to mail home (ICS proceedings, Derek Ford's Castleguard book, Bill's Huautla book, a coffee table-sized French caving diving book, the Vertical Bill Cuddington bio, etc.) Unfortunately, the campus mail center was closed when I arrived but Bill Steele graciously allowed me to stash the pack in his truck while he, Diana and I attended the photo salon. Later that night he was kind enough to hand deliver the pack to me in Groad Hollow. As I schlepped the pack across campus to my apartment, I remember thinking how smart I was to be mailing those books home--they weighed a ton and never would have passed airline weight limits. The
texascavers Digest 30 Jul 2009 17:57:55 -0000 Issue 811
texascavers Digest 30 Jul 2009 17:57:55 - Issue 811 Topics (messages 11529 through 11541): Re: bandit cave 11529 by: germanyj.aol.com 11532 by: Heather Tucek 11535 by: Fritz Holt Re: ICS Amazing Backpack Stories 11530 by: Frank Binney 11531 by: vivbone.att.net 11536 by: Fritz Holt 11538 by: John P Brooks 11540 by: germanyj.aol.com ICS photos: Frank's public link 11533 by: Frank Binney 11537 by: Nancy Weaver Re: ICS Attendance 11534 by: Katherine Arens Re: Photos Articles from the ICS and Points Beyond - The TC Needs YOUR Submissions! 11539 by: Fritz Holt TSA Officer Nominations Chair 11541 by: Mark.Alman.l-3com.com Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-unsubscr...@texascavers.com To post to the list, e-mail: texascavers@texascavers.com -- ---BeginMessage--- And show them the Texas Cavers movie ;-) -Original Message- From: Andy Zenker andyzen...@yahoo.com To: texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:49 am Subject: Re: [Texascavers] bandit cave Just invite them to the next caver party at Aimee and Geoff's. Andy Zenker Texas Caver --- On Thu, 7/30/09, Aimee Beveridge aim...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Aimee Beveridge aim...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] bandit cave To: freddie poer freddiepoe...@yahoo.com, William H. Russell whruss...@gmail.com Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 10:31 AM ? The owner has put in a?new fence along the property and I believe there are no trespassing signs.? --- On Thu, 7/30/09, William H. Russell whruss...@gmail.com wrote: From: William H. Russell whruss...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] bandit cave To: freddie poer freddiepoe...@yahoo.com Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 8:12 AM Freddie, ??? The current owner is very protective of Bandit cave and it not using it as a dump.? He is somewhat (in my view) overprotective and has not even let biologists into his cave to study the biology, but he is protecting the cave.? For several years prior to the current owner acquiring the cave the cave was used for neighborhood parties, especially on Halloween, and when the new owner took over he was under pressure to continue this tradition.? He resisted, and this experience is probably is what lead to the current very restrictive access policy.? The cave is still there, but checking it out would be difficult as the cave has a stout steel door, and we need use caver requests for access carefully, at first they should be for worthwhile studies; and then we can build a relation with the landowner.? There are digging leads in the cave, but they were pushed in the past to where the diggers gave up. Bill Russell Geoff and Aimee's post about the showing of the Austin Cavers movie at their house reminded me of a cave that I haven't heard anything about in thirty years. Bandit cave is an ex-commercial cave in Rollingwood that was in a vacant lot only three blocks from Geoff and Aimee's house. The last time I checked, it appeared the lot was still vacant and being used as a neighborhood yard waste dump. This cave had two entrances, one of which was a large steel door that was the commercial entrance. It was wired for lighting which was non-functioning as of my last visit in 1978. It had standing room in it and several crawling leads. An ex-mayor of Austin claims that the cave had a crawlway that exited at lake Austin in the cliffs above Redbud isle. Has anyone done anything recently with it? Any conservation efforts, or landowner contact? -- William Hart Russell 4806 Red River Street Austin, TX? 78751 H: 512-453-4774 (messages) CELL:? 512-940-8336 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- And make sure they're drunk before you ask for cave access. :p 2009/7/30 germa...@aol.com And show them the Texas Cavers movie ;-) -Original Message- From: Andy Zenker andyzen...@yahoo.com To: texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Thu, Jul 30, 2009 10:49 am Subject: Re: [Texascavers] bandit cave Just invite them to the next caver party at Aimee and Geoff's. Andy Zenker Texas Caver --- On *Thu, 7/30/09, Aimee Beveridge aim...@yahoo.com* wrote: From: Aimee Beveridge aim...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] bandit cave To: freddie
