[Texascavers] 17th International Congress of Speleology: Registration is open!

[George Veni via Texascavers]

Dear Friends,

The 17th International Congress of Speleology is an event of the International 
Union of Speleology (UIS) and will be held in Sydney, Australia, on 23-29 July 
2017. This is the world's most important gathering of cave explorers, 
scientists, managers, and educators. It happens only once every four years and 
registration is now open! To register visit 
https://www.speleo2017.com/Register.html, but first visit 
https://www.speleo2017.com/Circulars.html where you will find the Second 
Circular, a convenient document for finding information on all of the trip and 
other options for the congress.

Some of you are concerned about the cost of traveling to Australia. Before you 
decide not to go, please consider this. The Congress will be held during the 
Australian winter (the local weather in Sydney is usually mild at this time), 
which means the prices for flights to Australia will be at their lowest. Also, 
look at the Second Circular. Our hosts are making every effort to open 
Australia's caves and karst to all of us at the lowest possible prices. If you 
have ever wanted to visit Australia, and it is a fabulous place to visit, you 
will never have another such opportunity to see so much for so little. Also, be 
sure to register by 31 January 2017 for the lowest registration prices.

All of the information you need about the Congress is at 
https://www.speleo2017.com/index.html. Please feel free to share and post this 
message to all who may be interested.

George Veni
UIS Vice President of Administration
and...


George Veni, PhD
Executive Director
National Cave and Karst Research Institute
400-1 Cascades Avenue
Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA
Office: 575-887-5517
Mobile: 210-863-5919
Fax: 575-887-5523
gv...@nckri.org
www.nckri.org

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Re: [Texascavers] email clients

[Charles Loving via Texascavers]

Nothing to do with caving so you can delete this or watch it. It is pretty
good political stuff on warming and corruption.

On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 4:40 PM, Jim Kennedy via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> That's funny!  Most of mine come from "Marvin Miller!"
>
> Crash
>
> Mobile email from my iPhone
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Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: UTG program last night

[Charles Loving via Texascavers]

Sleaze:
All mine come from Oakley or Bockbeer.

On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 3:27 PM, via Texascavers  wrote:

> Indeed it is true! I just checked the message in "outlook" and presto
> there was Charlie's name. My apologies.
>
> AOL is evil! I am trapped in AOL Hell and have spent the last several daze
> trying to find my way out, but since I am even more of a Luddite than
> Charlie I have thus far failed to do so. The main issue is trying to rescue
> the many stories with embedded images that I have composed and stored on
> AOL. Their software is proprietary so I can't simply copy the stories with
> the images and formatting intact. Eventually I hope to migrate everything
> to either a blog or a dedicated website since I long ago gave up any hope
> of actually publishing a book.
>
> Sorry for being so grumpy!
>
> Sleaze
>
> In a message dated 8/4/2016 3:58:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> texascavers@texascavers.com writes:
>
> Mr. Weazel, it's your email client that is not showing Charlie's name in
> the From:  The rest of us who are not using AOL (could be some others), see
> the name properly.
>
> Now, some email clients don't embed it properly, your's for instance,
> never shows who it is on the From: (at least in my gmail client).  However,
> I always see Charlie's name in the From:
>
> Charles  wo...@justfamily.org
> boot size 9
>
> On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 2:04 PM, via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
>> Who travels a lot?
>>
>> I fail to understand why someone who wants to rattle on about whatever
>> cannot find the time to sign their post.
>>
>> With the exception of Messrs. Steele, Minton, and Locklear It appears
>> that 99% of those who post to this list fall into two categories, those who
>> have no name, and those whose name includes a list of achievements and
>> honorifics plus a wrongly attributed aphorism and perhaps some keyboard
>> generated "art" if you wish to so abuse the term.
>>
>> A recognizable pseudonym will do, such as...
>>
>> Sleazeweazel
>>
>> ps: Just to be a jerk I have purposefully failed to truncate the
>> extraneous information in this thread. It is so much easier to just hit
>> 'reply'. That way I get to waste your time rather than my own.
>>
>> In a message dated 8/4/2016 12:31:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> texascavers@texascavers.com writes:
>>
>> *You travel a lot. *
>>
>> *I traveled a lot before I reached 60. *
>> *Africa, South America, Central America, Europe and all those places.
>> Spent years in Colombia and Peru. Got stuck in Argentina during the
>> Malvinas War. Lived in Real de Catorce for five years all in the era before
>> technology and never thought or missed it. I guess since I don't use it I
>> don't miss it. I still like steel nibbled pens that you dip into an ink
>> well to do art. Something about that makes a connection, you can't make a
>> mistake. *
>>
>> *Sent faxes from Talara, Peru in those days. Flew in Portuguese
>> helicopters in Angola and Italian ones in Zaire. It was all good fun and
>> devious.  Did somethings in Africa with the French military mission as
>> a liaison person, since I was raised with that as my first language back
>> when I was going to grade school in Switzerland.*
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 11:17 AM, Bill Steele via Texascavers <
>> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Que lastima. I'm not as old as you (two months from 68). I was on the
>>> cusp of Internet technology and am glad I have it. I have an iPhone 6 and
>>> use it constantly. Live the way you want to. I sure do.
>>>
>>> On Aug 4, 2016, at 11:06 AM, Charles Loving via Texascavers <
>>> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Down load an AP  to my phone. Oh no, I don't have one of those kinds of
>>> phones. In fact I have two phones that I never use because there is no
>>> service where I live and I am too lazy and cheap to get Skyp or some such.
>>> No one ever calls, not even my kids and there is no actual reason for
>>> anyone to call, since I never do anything or go anywhere. I just have a
>>> clunky computer. So I guess that is another technological wash for the
>>> ludite.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 10:21 AM, Bill Steele via Texascavers <
>>> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>>>
 I've been asked how to find the 46 minute video. Here's the link:

 https://www.periscope.tv/UTGrotto/1YqxoZydnYaJv

 It goes,

 Bill Steele
 cwilliamste...@gmail.com


 Begin forwarded message:

 *From:* Bill Steele 
 *Date:* August 4, 2016 at 7:28:44 AM CDT
 *To:* texascavers@texascavers.com
 *Subject:* *UTG program last night*

 Last night, from the comfort of my home in Irving, Texas, I watched and
 enjoyed the program live from Austin. I used the app Periscope. It was
 easy.

 The program was a slide show and lively narrative by Fernando Hernandez
 about this year's PESH (Proyecto 

Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: UTG program last night

[via Texascavers]

Don't worry, that's just spam.

Jerry Atkinson. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 4, 2016, at 3:28 PM, via Texascavers  wrote:

> Somehow every single message I receive from this listserve  comes from 
> "George Veni via texascavers". 
> Then in the text, the sender is usually listed as
> "Texascavers Vivian Loftin
> vivb...@att.net
> 
> On Aug 4, 2016, at 3:27 PM, via Texascavers  
> wrote:
> 
>> Indeed it is true! I just checked the message in "outlook" and presto there 
>> was Charlie's name. My apologies.
>>  
>> AOL is evil! I am trapped in AOL Hell and have spent the last several daze 
>> trying to find my way out, but since I am even more of a Luddite than 
>> Charlie I have thus far failed to do so. The main issue is trying to rescue 
>> the many stories with embedded images that I have composed and stored on 
>> AOL. Their software is proprietary so I can't simply copy the stories with 
>> the images and formatting intact. Eventually I hope to migrate everything to 
>> either a blog or a dedicated website since I long ago gave up any hope of 
>> actually publishing a book.
>>  
>> Sorry for being so grumpy!
>>  
>> Sleaze
>>  
>> In a message dated 8/4/2016 3:58:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
>> texascavers@texascavers.com writes:
>> Mr. Weazel, it's your email client that is not showing Charlie's name in the 
>> From:  The rest of us who are not using AOL (could be some others), see the 
>> name properly.
>> 
>> Now, some email clients don't embed it properly, your's for instance, never 
>> shows who it is on the From: (at least in my gmail client).  However, I 
>> always see Charlie's name in the From:
>> 
>> Charles  wo...@justfamily.org
>> boot size 9
>> 
>> On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 2:04 PM, via Texascavers 
>>  wrote:
>> Who travels a lot?
>>  
>> I fail to understand why someone who wants to rattle on about whatever 
>> cannot find the time to sign their post.
>>  
>> With the exception of Messrs. Steele, Minton, and Locklear It appears that 
>> 99% of those who post to this list fall into two categories, those who have 
>> no name, and those whose name includes a list of achievements and honorifics 
>> plus a wrongly attributed aphorism and perhaps some keyboard generated "art" 
>> if you wish to so abuse the term.
>>  
>> A recognizable pseudonym will do, such as...
>>  
>> Sleazeweazel
>>  
>> ps: Just to be a jerk I have purposefully failed to truncate the extraneous 
>> information in this thread. It is so much easier to just hit 'reply'. That 
>> way I get to waste your time rather than my own.
>>  
>> In a message dated 8/4/2016 12:31:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
>> texascavers@texascavers.com writes:
>> You travel a lot. 
>> 
>> I traveled a lot before I reached 60. 
>> Africa, South America, Central America, Europe and all those places.  Spent 
>> years in Colombia and Peru. Got stuck in Argentinaduring the 
>> Malvinas War. Lived in Real de Catorce for five years all in the era before 
>> technology and never thought or missed it. I guess since I don't use it I 
>> don't miss it. I still like steel nibbled pens that you dip into an ink well 
>> to do art. Something about that makes a connection, you can't make a 
>> mistake. 
>> 
>> Sent faxes from Talara, Peru in those days. Flew in Portuguese helicopters 
>> in Angola and Italian ones in Zaire. It was all good fun and devious.  Did 
>> somethings in Africa with the French military mission as a liaison person, 
>> since I was raised with that as my first language back when I was going to 
>> grade school in Switzerland.
>> 
>> On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 11:17 AM, Bill Steele via Texascavers 
>>  wrote:
>> Que lastima. I'm not as old as you (two months from 68). I was on the cusp 
>> of Internet technology and am glad I have it. I have an iPhone 6 and use it 
>> constantly. Live the way you want to. I sure do. 
>> 
>> On Aug 4, 2016, at 11:06 AM, Charles Loving via Texascavers 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Down load an AP  to my phone. Oh no, I don't have one of those kinds of 
>>> phones. In fact I have two phones that I never use because there is no 
>>> service where I live and I am too lazy and cheap to get Skyp or some such. 
>>> No one ever calls, not even my kids and there is no actual reason for 
>>> anyone to call, since I never do anything or go anywhere. I just have a 
>>> clunky computer. So I guess that is another technological wash for the 
>>> ludite.
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 10:21 AM, Bill Steele via Texascavers 
>>>  wrote:
>>> I've been asked how to find the 46 minute video. Here's the link:
>>> 
>>> https://www.periscope.tv/UTGrotto/1YqxoZydnYaJv
>>> 
>>> It goes, 
>>> 
>>> Bill Steele 
>>> cwilliamste...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> 
 From: Bill Steele 
 

Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: UTG program last night

[via Texascavers]

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 4, 2016, at 3:28 PM, via Texascavers  wrote:

> Somehow every single message I receive from this listserve  comes from 
> "George Veni via texascavers". 
> Then in the text, the sender is usually listed as
> "Texascavers Vivian Loftin
> vivb...@att.net
> 
> On Aug 4, 2016, at 3:27 PM, via Texascavers  
> wrote:
> 
>> Indeed it is true! I just checked the message in "outlook" and presto there 
>> was Charlie's name. My apologies.
>>  
>> AOL is evil! I am trapped in AOL Hell and have spent the last several daze 
>> trying to find my way out, but since I am even more of a Luddite than 
>> Charlie I have thus far failed to do so. The main issue is trying to rescue 
>> the many stories with embedded images that I have composed and stored on 
>> AOL. Their software is proprietary so I can't simply copy the stories with 
>> the images and formatting intact. Eventually I hope to migrate everything to 
>> either a blog or a dedicated website since I long ago gave up any hope of 
>> actually publishing a book.
>>  
>> Sorry for being so grumpy!
>>  
>> Sleaze
>>  
>> In a message dated 8/4/2016 3:58:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
>> texascavers@texascavers.com writes:
>> Mr. Weazel, it's your email client that is not showing Charlie's name in the 
>> From:  The rest of us who are not using AOL (could be some others), see the 
>> name properly.
>> 
>> Now, some email clients don't embed it properly, your's for instance, never 
>> shows who it is on the From: (at least in my gmail client).  However, I 
>> always see Charlie's name in the From:
>> 
>> Charles  wo...@justfamily.org
>> boot size 9
>> 
>> On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 2:04 PM, via Texascavers 
>>  wrote:
>> Who travels a lot?
>>  
>> I fail to understand why someone who wants to rattle on about whatever 
>> cannot find the time to sign their post.
>>  
>> With the exception of Messrs. Steele, Minton, and Locklear It appears that 
>> 99% of those who post to this list fall into two categories, those who have 
>> no name, and those whose name includes a list of achievements and honorifics 
>> plus a wrongly attributed aphorism and perhaps some keyboard generated "art" 
>> if you wish to so abuse the term.
>>  
>> A recognizable pseudonym will do, such as...
>>  
>> Sleazeweazel
>>  
>> ps: Just to be a jerk I have purposefully failed to truncate the extraneous 
>> information in this thread. It is so much easier to just hit 'reply'. That 
>> way I get to waste your time rather than my own.
>>  
>> In a message dated 8/4/2016 12:31:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
>> texascavers@texascavers.com writes:
>> You travel a lot. 
>> 
>> I traveled a lot before I reached 60. 
>> Africa, South America, Central America, Europe and all those places.  Spent 
>> years in Colombia and Peru. Got stuck in Argentinaduring the 
>> Malvinas War. Lived in Real de Catorce for five years all in the era before 
>> technology and never thought or missed it. I guess since I don't use it I 
>> don't miss it. I still like steel nibbled pens that you dip into an ink well 
>> to do art. Something about that makes a connection, you can't make a 
>> mistake. 
>> 
>> Sent faxes from Talara, Peru in those days. Flew in Portuguese helicopters 
>> in Angola and Italian ones in Zaire. It was all good fun and devious.  Did 
>> somethings in Africa with the French military mission as a liaison person, 
>> since I was raised with that as my first language back when I was going to 
>> grade school in Switzerland.
>> 
>> On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 11:17 AM, Bill Steele via Texascavers 
>>  wrote:
>> Que lastima. I'm not as old as you (two months from 68). I was on the cusp 
>> of Internet technology and am glad I have it. I have an iPhone 6 and use it 
>> constantly. Live the way you want to. I sure do. 
>> 
>> On Aug 4, 2016, at 11:06 AM, Charles Loving via Texascavers 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Down load an AP  to my phone. Oh no, I don't have one of those kinds of 
>>> phones. In fact I have two phones that I never use because there is no 
>>> service where I live and I am too lazy and cheap to get Skyp or some such. 
>>> No one ever calls, not even my kids and there is no actual reason for 
>>> anyone to call, since I never do anything or go anywhere. I just have a 
>>> clunky computer. So I guess that is another technological wash for the 
>>> ludite.
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 10:21 AM, Bill Steele via Texascavers 
>>>  wrote:
>>> I've been asked how to find the 46 minute video. Here's the link:
>>> 
>>> https://www.periscope.tv/UTGrotto/1YqxoZydnYaJv
>>> 
>>> It goes, 
>>> 
>>> Bill Steele 
>>> cwilliamste...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> 
 From: Bill Steele 
 Date: August 4, 2016 at 7:28:44 AM CDT
 To: 

Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: UTG program last night

[Charles Goldsmith via Texascavers]

Vivian, check your contacts/address book for George, you likely have it
saved that way by accident, or are a really big fan of George's.  Then
again, aren't we all?  :)

Charles
wo...@justfamily.org


On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 4:28 PM, via Texascavers  wrote:

> Somehow every single message I receive from this listserve  comes from
> "George Veni via texascavers".
> Then in the text, the sender is usually listed as
> "Texascavers Vivian Loftin
> vivb...@att.net
>
> On Aug 4, 2016, at 3:27 PM, via Texascavers 
> wrote:
>
> Indeed it is true! I just checked the message in "outlook" and presto
> there was Charlie's name. My apologies.
>
> AOL is evil! I am trapped in AOL Hell and have spent the last several daze
> trying to find my way out, but since I am even more of a Luddite than
> Charlie I have thus far failed to do so. The main issue is trying to rescue
> the many stories with embedded images that I have composed and stored on
> AOL. Their software is proprietary so I can't simply copy the stories with
> the images and formatting intact. Eventually I hope to migrate everything
> to either a blog or a dedicated website since I long ago gave up any hope
> of actually publishing a book.
>
> Sorry for being so grumpy!
>
> Sleaze
>
> In a message dated 8/4/2016 3:58:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> texascavers@texascavers.com writes:
>
> Mr. Weazel, it's your email client that is not showing Charlie's name in
> the From:  The rest of us who are not using AOL (could be some others), see
> the name properly.
>
> Now, some email clients don't embed it properly, your's for instance,
> never shows who it is on the From: (at least in my gmail client).  However,
> I always see Charlie's name in the From:
>
> Charles  wo...@justfamily.org
> boot size 9
>
> On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 2:04 PM, via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
>> Who travels a lot?
>>
>> I fail to understand why someone who wants to rattle on about whatever
>> cannot find the time to sign their post.
>>
>> With the exception of Messrs. Steele, Minton, and Locklear It appears
>> that 99% of those who post to this list fall into two categories, those who
>> have no name, and those whose name includes a list of achievements and
>> honorifics plus a wrongly attributed aphorism and perhaps some keyboard
>> generated "art" if you wish to so abuse the term.
>>
>> A recognizable pseudonym will do, such as...
>>
>> Sleazeweazel
>>
>> ps: Just to be a jerk I have purposefully failed to truncate the
>> extraneous information in this thread. It is so much easier to just hit
>> 'reply'. That way I get to waste your time rather than my own.
>>
>> In a message dated 8/4/2016 12:31:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> texascavers@texascavers.com writes:
>>
>> *You travel a lot. *
>>
>> *I traveled a lot before I reached 60. *
>> *Africa, South America, Central America, Europe and all those places.
>> Spent years in Colombia and Peru. Got stuck in Argentina during the
>> Malvinas War. Lived in Real de Catorce for five years all in the era before
>> technology and never thought or missed it. I guess since I don't use it I
>> don't miss it. I still like steel nibbled pens that you dip into an ink
>> well to do art. Something about that makes a connection, you can't make a
>> mistake. *
>>
>> *Sent faxes from Talara, Peru in those days. Flew in Portuguese
>> helicopters in Angola and Italian ones in Zaire. It was all good fun and
>> devious.  Did somethings in Africa with the French military mission as
>> a liaison person, since I was raised with that as my first language back
>> when I was going to grade school in Switzerland.*
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 11:17 AM, Bill Steele via Texascavers <
>> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Que lastima. I'm not as old as you (two months from 68). I was on the
>>> cusp of Internet technology and am glad I have it. I have an iPhone 6 and
>>> use it constantly. Live the way you want to. I sure do.
>>>
>>> On Aug 4, 2016, at 11:06 AM, Charles Loving via Texascavers <
>>> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Down load an AP  to my phone. Oh no, I don't have one of those kinds of
>>> phones. In fact I have two phones that I never use because there is no
>>> service where I live and I am too lazy and cheap to get Skyp or some such.
>>> No one ever calls, not even my kids and there is no actual reason for
>>> anyone to call, since I never do anything or go anywhere. I just have a
>>> clunky computer. So I guess that is another technological wash for the
>>> ludite.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 10:21 AM, Bill Steele via Texascavers <
>>> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>>>
 I've been asked how to find the 46 minute video. Here's the link:

 https://www.periscope.tv/UTGrotto/1YqxoZydnYaJv

 It goes,

 Bill Steele
 cwilliamste...@gmail.com


 Begin forwarded message:

Re: [Texascavers] email clients

[Jim Kennedy via Texascavers]

That's funny!  Most of mine come from "Marvin Miller!"

Crash

Mobile email from my iPhone
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Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: UTG program last night

[via Texascavers]

Somehow every single message I receive from this listserve  comes from "George 
Veni via texascavers". 
Then in the text, the sender is usually listed as
"Texascavers On Aug 4, 2016, at 3:27 PM, via Texascavers  
> wrote:
> 
> Indeed it is true! I just checked the message in "outlook" and presto there 
> was Charlie's name. My apologies.
>  
> AOL is evil! I am trapped in AOL Hell and have spent the last several daze 
> trying to find my way out, but since I am even more of a Luddite than Charlie 
> I have thus far failed to do so. The main issue is trying to rescue the many 
> stories with embedded images that I have composed and stored on AOL. Their 
> software is proprietary so I can't simply copy the stories with the images 
> and formatting intact. Eventually I hope to migrate everything to either a 
> blog or a dedicated website since I long ago gave up any hope of actually 
> publishing a book.
>  
> Sorry for being so grumpy!
>  
> Sleaze
>  
> In a message dated 8/4/2016 3:58:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
> texascavers@texascavers.com writes:
> Mr. Weazel, it's your email client that is not showing Charlie's name in the 
> From:  The rest of us who are not using AOL (could be some others), see the 
> name properly.
> 
> Now, some email clients don't embed it properly, your's for instance, never 
> shows who it is on the From: (at least in my gmail client).  However, I 
> always see Charlie's name in the From:
> 
> Charles  wo...@justfamily.org
> boot size 9
> 
>> On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 2:04 PM, via Texascavers 
>>  wrote:
>> Who travels a lot?
>>  
>> I fail to understand why someone who wants to rattle on about whatever 
>> cannot find the time to sign their post.
>>  
>> With the exception of Messrs. Steele, Minton, and Locklear It appears that 
>> 99% of those who post to this list fall into two categories, those who have 
>> no name, and those whose name includes a list of achievements and honorifics 
>> plus a wrongly attributed aphorism and perhaps some keyboard generated "art" 
>> if you wish to so abuse the term.
>>  
>> A recognizable pseudonym will do, such as...
>>  
>> Sleazeweazel
>>  
>> ps: Just to be a jerk I have purposefully failed to truncate the extraneous 
>> information in this thread. It is so much easier to just hit 'reply'. That 
>> way I get to waste your time rather than my own.
>>  
>> In a message dated 8/4/2016 12:31:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
>> texascavers@texascavers.com writes:
>> You travel a lot. 
>> 
>> I traveled a lot before I reached 60. 
>> Africa, South America, Central America, Europe and all those places.  Spent 
>> years in Colombia and Peru. Got stuck in Argentina during the Malvinas War. 
>> Lived in Real de Catorce for five years all in the era before technology and 
>> never thought or missed it. I guess since I don't use it I don't miss it. I 
>> still like steel nibbled pens that you dip into an ink well to do art. 
>> Something about that makes a connection, you can't make a mistake. 
>> 
>> Sent faxes from Talara, Peru in those days. Flew in Portuguese helicopters 
>> in Angola and Italian ones in Zaire. It was all good fun and devious.  Did 
>> somethings in Africa with the French military mission as a liaison person, 
>> since I was raised with that as my first language back when I was going to 
>> grade school in Switzerland.
>> 
>> On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 11:17 AM, Bill Steele via Texascavers 
>>  wrote:
>>> Que lastima. I'm not as old as you (two months from 68). I was on the cusp 
>>> of Internet technology and am glad I have it. I have an iPhone 6 and use it 
>>> constantly. Live the way you want to. I sure do. 
>>> 
 On Aug 4, 2016, at 11:06 AM, Charles Loving via Texascavers 
  wrote:
 
 Down load an AP  to my phone. Oh no, I don't have one of those kinds of 
 phones. In fact I have two phones that I never use because there is no 
 service where I live and I am too lazy and cheap to get Skyp or some such. 
 No one ever calls, not even my kids and there is no actual reason for 
 anyone to call, since I never do anything or go anywhere. I just have a 
 clunky computer. So I guess that is another technological wash for the 
 ludite.
 
 On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 10:21 AM, Bill Steele via Texascavers 
  wrote:
> I've been asked how to find the 46 minute video. Here's the link:
> 
> https://www.periscope.tv/UTGrotto/1YqxoZydnYaJv
> 
> It goes, 
> 
> Bill Steele 
> cwilliamste...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: Bill Steele 
>> Date: August 4, 2016 at 7:28:44 AM CDT
>> To: texascavers@texascavers.com
>> Subject: UTG program last night
>> Last night, from the comfort of my 

Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: UTG program last night

[via Texascavers]

Indeed it is true! I just checked the message in "outlook" and presto there 
 was Charlie's name. My apologies.
 
AOL is evil! I am trapped in AOL Hell and have spent the last several daze  
trying to find my way out, but since I am even more of a Luddite than 
Charlie I  have thus far failed to do so. The main issue is trying to rescue 
the 
many  stories with embedded images that I have composed and stored on AOL. 
Their  software is proprietary so I can't simply copy the stories with the 
images and  formatting intact. Eventually I hope to migrate everything to 
either a blog or a  dedicated website since I long ago gave up any hope of 
actually publishing a  book.
 
Sorry for being so grumpy!
 
Sleaze
 
 
In a message dated 8/4/2016 3:58:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
texascavers@texascavers.com writes:

Mr. Weazel, it's your email client that is not showing Charlie's  name in 
the From:  The rest of us who are not using AOL (could be some  others), see 
the name properly.  


Now, some email clients don't embed it properly, your's for instance,  
never shows who it is on the From: (at least in my gmail client).   However, I 
always see Charlie's name in the From:


Charles  _wokka@justfamily.org_ (mailto:wo...@justfamily.org) 
boot size 9


On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 2:04 PM, via Texascavers 
<_texascavers@texascavers.com_ (mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com) > wrote:


Who travels a lot?
 
I fail to understand why someone who wants to rattle on about whatever  
cannot find the time to sign their post.
 
With the exception of Messrs. Steele, Minton, and Locklear It appears  that 
99% of those who post to this list fall into two categories, those who  
have no name, and those whose name includes a list of achievements and  
honorifics plus a wrongly attributed aphorism and perhaps some keyboard  
generated 
"art" if you wish to so abuse the term.
 
A recognizable pseudonym will do, such as...
 
Sleazeweazel
 
ps: Just to be a jerk I have purposefully failed to truncate the  
extraneous information in this thread. It is so much easier to just hit  
'reply'. 
That way I get to waste your time rather than my own.
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 8/4/2016 12:31:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
_texascavers@texascavers.com_ (mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com)  writes:



 
 
You travel a lot.   


I traveled a lot before I reached 60. 
Africa, South America, Central America, Europe and all those  places.  
Spent years in Colombia and Peru. Got stuck in Argentina  during the Malvinas 
War. Lived in Real de Catorce for five years all in  the era before technology 
and never thought or missed it. I guess since I  don't use it I don't miss 
it. I still like steel nibbled pens that  you dip into an ink well to do 
art. Something about that makes a  connection, you can't make a mistake. 


Sent faxes from Talara, Peru in those days. Flew in Portuguese  helicopters 
in Angola and Italian ones in Zaire. It was all good fun and  devious.  Did 
somethings in Africa with the French military mission  as a liaison person, 
since I was raised with that as my first  language back when I was going to 
grade school in  Switzerland.





 
On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 11:17 AM, Bill Steele via Texascavers  
<_texascavers@texascavers.com_ (mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com) >  wrote:




 
 

Que lastima. I'm not as old as you (two months from 68). I was on  the cusp 
of Internet technology and am glad I have it. I have an iPhone  6 and use 
it constantly. Live the way you want to. I sure  do. 


 
 
 
 

On Aug 4, 2016, at 11:06 AM, Charles Loving via Texascavers  
<_texascavers@texascavers.com_ (mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com) >  wrote:






 
 
Down load an AP  to my phone. Oh no, I don't have  one of those kinds of 
phones. In fact I have two phones that I never  use because there is no 
service where I live and I am too lazy and  cheap to get Skyp or some such. No 
one 
ever calls, not even my kids  and there is no actual reason for anyone to 
call, since I never do  anything or go anywhere. I just have a clunky c
omputer. So I guess  that is another technological wash for the ludite.




 
On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 10:21 AM, Bill Steele via  Texascavers 
<_texascavers@texascavers.com_ (mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com) >  wrote:




 
 

I've been asked how to find the 46 minute video. Here's the  link:


_https://www.periscope.tv/UTGrottps://www.perisc_ 
(https://www.periscope.tv/UTGrotto/1YqxoZydnYaJv) 


It goes, 


Bill Steele 
_cwilliamsteele@gmail.com_ (mailto:cwilliamste...@gmail.com) 


Begin  forwarded message:



From: Bill Steele <_cwilliamsteele@gmail.com_ 
(mailto:cwilliamste...@gmail.com) >
Date:  August 4, 2016 at 7:28:44 AM CDT
To: _texascavers@texascavers.com_ (mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com) 
Subject:  UTG program last night




Last night, from the comfort of my home in Irving,  Texas, I watched and 
enjoyed the program live from Austin. I used  the app Periscope. It was easy.  

The program was a slide 

Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: UTG program last night

[Charles Goldsmith via Texascavers]

Mr. Weazel, it's your email client that is not showing Charlie's name in
the From:  The rest of us who are not using AOL (could be some others), see
the name properly.

Now, some email clients don't embed it properly, your's for instance, never
shows who it is on the From: (at least in my gmail client).  However, I
always see Charlie's name in the From:

Charles  wo...@justfamily.org
boot size 9

On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 2:04 PM, via Texascavers  wrote:

> Who travels a lot?
>
> I fail to understand why someone who wants to rattle on about whatever
> cannot find the time to sign their post.
>
> With the exception of Messrs. Steele, Minton, and Locklear It appears that
> 99% of those who post to this list fall into two categories, those who have
> no name, and those whose name includes a list of achievements and
> honorifics plus a wrongly attributed aphorism and perhaps some keyboard
> generated "art" if you wish to so abuse the term.
>
> A recognizable pseudonym will do, such as...
>
> Sleazeweazel
>
> ps: Just to be a jerk I have purposefully failed to truncate the
> extraneous information in this thread. It is so much easier to just hit
> 'reply'. That way I get to waste your time rather than my own.
>
> In a message dated 8/4/2016 12:31:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> texascavers@texascavers.com writes:
>
> *You travel a lot. *
>
> *I traveled a lot before I reached 60. *
> *Africa, South America, Central America, Europe and all those places.
> Spent years in Colombia and Peru. Got stuck in Argentina during the
> Malvinas War. Lived in Real de Catorce for five years all in the era before
> technology and never thought or missed it. I guess since I don't use it I
> don't miss it. I still like steel nibbled pens that you dip into an ink
> well to do art. Something about that makes a connection, you can't make a
> mistake. *
>
> *Sent faxes from Talara, Peru in those days. Flew in Portuguese
> helicopters in Angola and Italian ones in Zaire. It was all good fun and
> devious.  Did somethings in Africa with the French military mission as
> a liaison person, since I was raised with that as my first language back
> when I was going to grade school in Switzerland.*
>
> On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 11:17 AM, Bill Steele via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
>> Que lastima. I'm not as old as you (two months from 68). I was on the
>> cusp of Internet technology and am glad I have it. I have an iPhone 6 and
>> use it constantly. Live the way you want to. I sure do.
>>
>> On Aug 4, 2016, at 11:06 AM, Charles Loving via Texascavers <
>> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>>
>> Down load an AP  to my phone. Oh no, I don't have one of those kinds of
>> phones. In fact I have two phones that I never use because there is no
>> service where I live and I am too lazy and cheap to get Skyp or some such.
>> No one ever calls, not even my kids and there is no actual reason for
>> anyone to call, since I never do anything or go anywhere. I just have a
>> clunky computer. So I guess that is another technological wash for the
>> ludite.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 10:21 AM, Bill Steele via Texascavers <
>> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I've been asked how to find the 46 minute video. Here's the link:
>>>
>>> https://www.periscope.tv/UTGrotto/1YqxoZydnYaJv
>>>
>>> It goes,
>>>
>>> Bill Steele
>>> cwilliamste...@gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>>
>>> *From:* Bill Steele 
>>> *Date:* August 4, 2016 at 7:28:44 AM CDT
>>> *To:* texascavers@texascavers.com
>>> *Subject:* *UTG program last night*
>>>
>>> Last night, from the comfort of my home in Irving, Texas, I watched and
>>> enjoyed the program live from Austin. I used the app Periscope. It was
>>> easy.
>>>
>>> The program was a slide show and lively narrative by Fernando Hernandez
>>> about this year's PESH (Proyecto Espeleologico Sistema Huautla) expedition.
>>> This was Fernando's first trip to Huautla. His perspective as a Mexican
>>> citizen, excellent caver, fluent in English, and culturally sensitive, made
>>> for a very interesting talk.
>>>
>>> My understanding is that the video of Fernando's talk will be available
>>> at Periscope for a short amount of time.
>>>
>>> One thing that Fernando did not mention is that he was the winner of the
>>> PESH 2016 Expedition "Rookie of the Year" award. He hustled underground and
>>> was a pleasure to be around.
>>>
>>> Cavingly,
>>>
>>> Bill Steele
>>> cwilliamste...@gmail.com
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>> --
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>>
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Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: UTG program last night

[Chris Vreeland via Texascavers]

That was Charlie Loving. I have travelled internationally with Mr. Loving on 2 
of the most memorable trips of my life, especially our loosely organized jaunt 
to Puerto Rico in '95 or '96 where we saw the Cueva Angeles portion of the Rio 
Camuy system. It was a trip in both senses of the word -- there are some 
mediocre pics on my Flickr page. 
https://flickr.com/photos/76711952@N00/sets/1180258

Chris Vreeland NSS# 41811 shoe size 11.

> On Aug 4, 2016, at 2:04 PM, via Texascavers  
> wrote:
> 
> Who travels a lot?
>  
> I fail to understand why someone who wants to rattle on about whatever cannot 
> find the time to sign their post.
>  
> With the exception of Messrs. Steele, Minton, and Locklear It appears that 
> 99% of those who post to this list fall into two categories, those who have 
> no name, and those whose name includes a list of achievements and honorifics 
> plus a wrongly attributed aphorism and perhaps some keyboard generated "art" 
> if you wish to so abuse the term.
>  
> A recognizable pseudonym will do, such as...
>  
> Sleazeweazel
>  
> ps: Just to be a jerk I have purposefully failed to truncate the extraneous 
> information in this thread. It is so much easier to just hit 'reply'. That 
> way I get to waste your time rather than my own.
>  
> In a message dated 8/4/2016 12:31:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
> texascavers@texascavers.com writes:
> You travel a lot. 
> 
> I traveled a lot before I reached 60. 
> Africa, South America, Central America, Europe and all those places.  Spent 
> years in Colombia and Peru. Got stuck in Argentina during the Malvinas War. 
> Lived in Real de Catorce for five years all in the era before technology and 
> never thought or missed it. I guess since I don't use it I don't miss it. I 
> still like steel nibbled pens that you dip into an ink well to do art. 
> Something about that makes a connection, you can't make amistake. 
> 
> Sent faxes from Talara, Peru in those days. Flew in Portuguese helicopters in 
> Angola and Italian ones in Zaire. It was all good fun and devious.  Did 
> somethings in Africa with the French military mission as a liaison person, 
> since I was raised with that as my first language back when I was going to 
> grade school in Switzerland.
> 
>> On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 11:17 AM, Bill Steele via Texascavers 
>>  wrote:
>> Que lastima. I'm not as old as you (two months from 68). I was on the cusp 
>> of Internet technology and am glad I have it. I have an iPhone 6 and use it 
>> constantly. Live the way you want to. I sure do. 
>> 
>>> On Aug 4, 2016, at 11:06 AM, Charles Loving via Texascavers 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Down load an AP  to my phone. Oh no, I don't have one of those kinds of 
>>> phones. In fact I have two phones that I never use because there is no 
>>> service where I live and I am too lazy and cheap to get Skyp or some such. 
>>> No one ever calls, not even my kids and there is no actual reason for 
>>> anyone to call, since I never do anything or go anywhere. I just have a 
>>> clunky computer. So I guess that is another technological wash for the 
>>> ludite.
>>> 
 On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 10:21 AM, Bill Steele via Texascavers 
  wrote:
 I've been asked how to find the 46 minute video. Here's the link:
 
 https://www.periscope.tv/UTGrotto/1YqxoZydnYaJv
 
 It goes, 
 
 Bill Steele 
 cwilliamste...@gmail.com
 
 
 Begin forwarded message:
 
> From: Bill Steele 
> Date: August 4, 2016 at 7:28:44 AM CDT
> To: texascavers@texascavers.com
> Subject: UTG program last night
> Last night, from the comfort of my home in Irving, Texas, I watched and 
> enjoyed the program live from Austin. I used the app Periscope. It was 
> easy. 
> 
> The program was a slide show and lively narrative by Fernando Hernandez 
> about this year's PESH (Proyecto Espeleologico Sistema Huautla) 
> expedition. This was Fernando's first trip to Huautla. His perspective as 
> a Mexican citizen, excellent caver, fluent in English, and culturally 
> sensitive, made for a very interesting talk. 
> 
> My understanding is that the video of Fernando's talk will be available 
> at Periscope for a short amount of time. 
> 
> One thing that Fernando did not mention is that he was the winner of the 
> PESH 2016 Expedition "Rookie of the Year" award. He hustled underground 
> and was a pleasure to be around. 
> 
> Cavingly,
> 
> Bill Steele 
> cwilliamste...@gmail.com
 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 

Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: UTG program last night

[via Texascavers]

Who travels a lot?
 
I fail to understand why someone who wants to rattle on about whatever  
cannot find the time to sign their post.
 
With the exception of Messrs. Steele, Minton, and Locklear It appears that  
99% of those who post to this list fall into two categories, those who have 
no  name, and those whose name includes a list of achievements and 
honorifics plus a  wrongly attributed aphorism and perhaps some keyboard 
generated 
"art" if you  wish to so abuse the term.
 
A recognizable pseudonym will do, such as...
 
Sleazeweazel
 
ps: Just to be a jerk I have purposefully failed to truncate the extraneous 
 information in this thread. It is so much easier to just hit 'reply'. That 
way I  get to waste your time rather than my own.
 
 
In a message dated 8/4/2016 12:31:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
texascavers@texascavers.com writes:

You travel a lot.   


I traveled a lot before I reached 60. 
Africa, South America, Central America, Europe and all those  places.  
Spent years in Colombia and Peru. Got stuck in Argentina during  the Malvinas 
War. Lived in Real de Catorce for five years all in the era  before technology 
and never thought or missed it. I guess since I don't use it  I don't miss 
it. I still like steel nibbled pens that you dip into an ink  well to do 
art. Something about that makes a connection, you can't make a  mistake. 


Sent faxes from Talara, Peru in those days. Flew in Portuguese  helicopters 
in Angola and Italian ones in Zaire. It was all good fun and  devious.  Did 
somethings in Africa with the French military mission as  a liaison person, 
since I was raised with that as my first language  back when I was going to 
grade school in Switzerland.


On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 11:17 AM, Bill Steele via  Texascavers 
<_texascavers@texascavers.com_ (mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com) > wrote:



Que lastima. I'm not as old as you (two months from 68). I was on the  cusp 
of Internet technology and am glad I have it. I have an iPhone 6 and  use 
it constantly. Live the way you want to. I sure do. 
 
 

On Aug 4, 2016, at 11:06 AM, Charles Loving via Texascavers 
<_texascavers@texascavers.com_ (mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com) > wrote:




Down load an AP  to my phone. Oh no, I don't have one of  those kinds of 
phones. In fact I have two phones that I never use because  there is no 
service where I live and I am too lazy and cheap to get Skyp  or some such. No 
one 
ever calls, not even my kids and there is no actual  reason for anyone to 
call, since I never do anything or go anywhere. I  just have a clunky 
computer. So I guess that is another technological wash  for the ludite.

On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 10:21 AM, Bill Steele via  Texascavers 
<_texascavers@texascavers.com_ (mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com) > wrote:



I've been asked how to find the 46 minute video. Here's the  link:


_https://www.periscope.tv/UTGrohttps://www.peris_ 
(https://www.periscope.tv/UTGrotto/1YqxoZydnYaJv) 


It goes, 


Bill Steele 
_cwilliamsteele@gmail.com_ (mailto:cwilliamste...@gmail.com) 


Begin forwarded  message:



From: Bill Steele <_cwilliamsteele@gmail.com_ 
(mailto:cwilliamste...@gmail.com) >
Date: August  4, 2016 at 7:28:44 AM CDT
To: _texascavers@texascavers.com_ (mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com) 
Subject:  UTG program last night




Last night, from the comfort of my home in Irving, Texas, I  watched and 
enjoyed the program live from Austin. I used the app  Periscope. It was easy. 

The program  was a slide show and lively narrative by Fernando Hernandez 
about this  year's PESH (Proyecto Espeleologico Sistema Huautla) expedition. 
This  was Fernando's first trip to Huautla. His perspective as a Mexican  
citizen, excellent caver, fluent in English, and culturally sensitive,  made 
for a very interesting talk. 

My  understanding is that the video of Fernando's talk will be available  
at Periscope for a short amount of time.  

One thing that Fernando did not  mention is that he was the winner of the 
PESH 2016 Expedition "Rookie  of the Year" award. He hustled underground and 
was a pleasure to be  around.  

Cavingly,

Bill  Steele 
_cwilliamsteele@gmail.com_ (mailto:cwilliamste...@gmail.com) 



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Re: [Texascavers] Nuevo Laredo

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

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> On Aug 4, 2016, at 11:00 AM, Charles Loving via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> I agree with Mark. I do not know from where Bockbeer draws his information 
> but he continues to amaze with his never ending stories. I did cross at N.L. 
> in the middle of a gun battle but only heard the noise and didn't pay 
> attention to it and turned right on Peru Street and drive to Anahuac and 
> Lampazos with nary a fret. Bockbeer of course has driven that road within the 
> past year I am sure and had hand grenades thrown and his SUV that gets 5 mpg 
> and overheats for lack of a radiator cap. Crap I know know about Bockbeer 
> than my own kids. Does he use red or blue TP?
> 
>> On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 10:23 AM, Mark Minton via Texascavers 
>>  wrote:
>>   We cross at Nuevo laredo on the way to and from Huautla every year,
>> sometimes at Colombia and sometimes at the main crossing in town. It
>> hasn't been a problem, and we never see anything out of the ordinary.
>> However, we make a point of crossing in daylight, and we don't drive at
>> night in general. We take toll roads whenever possible. There are now
>> good roads throughout most of Mexico, and travel is much faster and
>> safer than it used to be on the old, narrow, two-lane highways. Tolls
>> are expensive (about $100 one way to Huautla), but worth it.
>> 
>> Mark Minton
>> mmin...@caver.net
>> 
>> On Thu, August 4, 2016 3:45 am, David via Texascavers wrote:
>> > Do Texas cavers still pass thru the bordertown of Nuevo Laredo on
>> > their way to Bustamante ?
>> >
>> > If so, here is a travel-safety-related story:
>> -
>> > I guess the point to this post is not to travel off the beaten path
>> > there at night.
>> 
>> > I can't remember the last time I crossed at the Columbia Bridge.It
>> > was probably 20 years ago.
>> 
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Re: [Texascavers] Periscope link to Fernando Hernandez's talk

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

Great! Maybe we can put it on Vimeo. 

> On Aug 4, 2016, at 12:43 PM, Diana Tomchick via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> This is the correct link to Fernando’s talk at the UT Grotto meeting last 
> night.
> 
> https://www.periscope.tv/UTGrotto/1RDGlkdqqaOKL
> 
> I am working on recording it to my computer via QuickTime, will let you know 
> if that works.
> 
> Diana
> 
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> 
> 
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[Texascavers] Periscope link to Fernando Hernandez's talk

[Diana Tomchick via Texascavers]

This is the correct link to Fernando’s talk at the UT Grotto meeting last night.

https://www.periscope.tv/UTGrotto/1RDGlkdqqaOKL

I am working on recording it to my computer via QuickTime, will let you know if 
that works.

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Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: UTG program last night

[Mixon Bill via Texascavers]

Was indeed a good talk. Kept the audience quiet past the usual time for leaving 
for the after-meeting meeting at the Posse. Fernando has a nice report on his 
trip in the latest AMCS Activities Newsletter (advertisement, 
http://www.mexicancaves.org/nl/39.htm). It is part of several exploration 
narratives gathered into the first article in the issue.

If anyone can figure out how to capture that video from Periscope as an .mp4 or 
similar, please do for the AMCS archives -- Mixon

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Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: UTG program last night

[Charles Loving via Texascavers]

*You travel a lot. *

*I traveled a lot before I reached 60. *
*Africa, South America, Central America, Europe and all those places.
Spent years in Colombia and Peru. Got stuck in Argentina during the
Malvinas War. Lived in Real de Catorce for five years all in the era before
technology and never thought or missed it. I guess since I don't use it I
don't miss it. I still like steel nibbled pens that you dip into an ink
well to do art. Something about that makes a connection, you can't make a
mistake. *

*Sent faxes from Talara, Peru in those days. Flew in Portuguese helicopters
in Angola and Italian ones in Zaire. It was all good fun and devious.  Did
somethings in Africa with the French military mission as a liaison person,
since I was raised with that as my first language back when I was going to
grade school in Switzerland.*

On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 11:17 AM, Bill Steele via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> Que lastima. I'm not as old as you (two months from 68). I was on the cusp
> of Internet technology and am glad I have it. I have an iPhone 6 and use it
> constantly. Live the way you want to. I sure do.
>
> On Aug 4, 2016, at 11:06 AM, Charles Loving via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
> Down load an AP  to my phone. Oh no, I don't have one of those kinds of
> phones. In fact I have two phones that I never use because there is no
> service where I live and I am too lazy and cheap to get Skyp or some such.
> No one ever calls, not even my kids and there is no actual reason for
> anyone to call, since I never do anything or go anywhere. I just have a
> clunky computer. So I guess that is another technological wash for the
> ludite.
>
> On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 10:21 AM, Bill Steele via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
>> I've been asked how to find the 46 minute video. Here's the link:
>>
>> https://www.periscope.tv/UTGrotto/1YqxoZydnYaJv
>>
>> It goes,
>>
>> Bill Steele
>> cwilliamste...@gmail.com
>>
>>
>> Begin forwarded message:
>>
>> *From:* Bill Steele 
>> *Date:* August 4, 2016 at 7:28:44 AM CDT
>> *To:* texascavers@texascavers.com
>> *Subject:* *UTG program last night*
>>
>> Last night, from the comfort of my home in Irving, Texas, I watched and
>> enjoyed the program live from Austin. I used the app Periscope. It was
>> easy.
>>
>> The program was a slide show and lively narrative by Fernando Hernandez
>> about this year's PESH (Proyecto Espeleologico Sistema Huautla) expedition.
>> This was Fernando's first trip to Huautla. His perspective as a Mexican
>> citizen, excellent caver, fluent in English, and culturally sensitive, made
>> for a very interesting talk.
>>
>> My understanding is that the video of Fernando's talk will be available
>> at Periscope for a short amount of time.
>>
>> One thing that Fernando did not mention is that he was the winner of the
>> PESH 2016 Expedition "Rookie of the Year" award. He hustled underground and
>> was a pleasure to be around.
>>
>> Cavingly,
>>
>> Bill Steele
>> cwilliamste...@gmail.com
>>
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Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: UTG program last night

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

Que lastima. I'm not as old as you (two months from 68). I was on the cusp of 
Internet technology and am glad I have it. I have an iPhone 6 and use it 
constantly. Live the way you want to. I sure do. 

> On Aug 4, 2016, at 11:06 AM, Charles Loving via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> Down load an AP  to my phone. Oh no, I don't have one of those kinds of 
> phones. In fact I have two phones that I never use because there is no 
> service where I live and I am too lazy and cheap to get Skyp or some such. No 
> one ever calls, not even my kids and there is no actual reason for anyone to 
> call, since I never do anything or go anywhere. I just have a clunky 
> computer. So I guess that is another technological wash for the ludite.
> 
>> On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 10:21 AM, Bill Steele via Texascavers 
>>  wrote:
>> I've been asked how to find the 46 minute video. Here's the link:
>> 
>> https://www.periscope.tv/UTGrotto/1YqxoZydnYaJv
>> 
>> It goes, 
>> 
>> Bill Steele 
>> cwilliamste...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>>> From: Bill Steele 
>>> Date: August 4, 2016 at 7:28:44 AM CDT
>>> To: texascavers@texascavers.com
>>> Subject: UTG program last night
>>> 
>>> Last night, from the comfort of my home in Irving, Texas, I watched and 
>>> enjoyed the program live from Austin. I used the app Periscope. It was 
>>> easy. 
>>> 
>>> The program was a slide show and lively narrative by Fernando Hernandez 
>>> about this year's PESH (Proyecto Espeleologico Sistema Huautla) expedition. 
>>> This was Fernando's first trip to Huautla. His perspective as a Mexican 
>>> citizen, excellent caver, fluent in English, and culturally sensitive, made 
>>> for a very interesting talk. 
>>> 
>>> My understanding is that the video of Fernando's talk will be available at 
>>> Periscope for a short amount of time. 
>>> 
>>> One thing that Fernando did not mention is that he was the winner of the 
>>> PESH 2016 Expedition "Rookie of the Year" award. He hustled underground and 
>>> was a pleasure to be around. 
>>> 
>>> Cavingly,
>>> 
>>> Bill Steele 
>>> cwilliamste...@gmail.com
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Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: UTG program last night

[Charles Loving via Texascavers]

Down load an AP  to my phone. Oh no, I don't have one of those kinds of
phones. In fact I have two phones that I never use because there is no
service where I live and I am too lazy and cheap to get Skyp or some such.
No one ever calls, not even my kids and there is no actual reason for
anyone to call, since I never do anything or go anywhere. I just have a
clunky computer. So I guess that is another technological wash for the
ludite.

On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 10:21 AM, Bill Steele via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> I've been asked how to find the 46 minute video. Here's the link:
>
> https://www.periscope.tv/UTGrotto/1YqxoZydnYaJv
>
> It goes,
>
> Bill Steele
> cwilliamste...@gmail.com
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> *From:* Bill Steele 
> *Date:* August 4, 2016 at 7:28:44 AM CDT
> *To:* texascavers@texascavers.com
> *Subject:* *UTG program last night*
>
> Last night, from the comfort of my home in Irving, Texas, I watched and
> enjoyed the program live from Austin. I used the app Periscope. It was
> easy.
>
> The program was a slide show and lively narrative by Fernando Hernandez
> about this year's PESH (Proyecto Espeleologico Sistema Huautla) expedition.
> This was Fernando's first trip to Huautla. His perspective as a Mexican
> citizen, excellent caver, fluent in English, and culturally sensitive, made
> for a very interesting talk.
>
> My understanding is that the video of Fernando's talk will be available at
> Periscope for a short amount of time.
>
> One thing that Fernando did not mention is that he was the winner of the
> PESH 2016 Expedition "Rookie of the Year" award. He hustled underground and
> was a pleasure to be around.
>
> Cavingly,
>
> Bill Steele
> cwilliamste...@gmail.com
>
>
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Re: [Texascavers] Nuevo Laredo

[Charles Loving via Texascavers]

I agree with Mark. I do not know from where Bockbeer draws his information
but he continues to amaze with his never ending stories. I did cross at
N.L. in the middle of a gun battle but only heard the noise and didn't pay
attention to it and turned right on Peru Street and drive to Anahuac and
Lampazos with nary a fret. Bockbeer of course has driven that road within
the past year I am sure and had hand grenades thrown and his SUV that gets
5 mpg and overheats for lack of a radiator cap. Crap I know know about
Bockbeer than my own kids. Does he use red or blue TP?

On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 10:23 AM, Mark Minton via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

>   We cross at Nuevo laredo on the way to and from Huautla every year,
> sometimes at Colombia and sometimes at the main crossing in town. It
> hasn't been a problem, and we never see anything out of the ordinary.
> However, we make a point of crossing in daylight, and we don't drive at
> night in general. We take toll roads whenever possible. There are now
> good roads throughout most of Mexico, and travel is much faster and
> safer than it used to be on the old, narrow, two-lane highways. Tolls
> are expensive (about $100 one way to Huautla), but worth it.
>
> Mark Minton
> mmin...@caver.net
>
> On Thu, August 4, 2016 3:45 am, David via Texascavers wrote:
> > Do Texas cavers still pass thru the bordertown of Nuevo Laredo on
> > their way to Bustamante ?
> >
> > If so, here is a travel-safety-related story:
> -
> > I guess the point to this post is not to travel off the beaten path
> > there at night.
> 
> > I can't remember the last time I crossed at the Columbia Bridge.It
> > was probably 20 years ago.
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Re: [Texascavers] Nuevo Laredo

[Mark Minton via Texascavers]

  We cross at Nuevo laredo on the way to and from Huautla every year,
sometimes at Colombia and sometimes at the main crossing in town. It
hasn't been a problem, and we never see anything out of the ordinary.
However, we make a point of crossing in daylight, and we don't drive at
night in general. We take toll roads whenever possible. There are now
good roads throughout most of Mexico, and travel is much faster and
safer than it used to be on the old, narrow, two-lane highways. Tolls
are expensive (about $100 one way to Huautla), but worth it.

Mark Minton
mmin...@caver.net

On Thu, August 4, 2016 3:45 am, David via Texascavers wrote:
> Do Texas cavers still pass thru the bordertown of Nuevo Laredo on
> their way to Bustamante ?
>
> If so, here is a travel-safety-related story:
-
> I guess the point to this post is not to travel off the beaten path
> there at night.

> I can't remember the last time I crossed at the Columbia Bridge.It
> was probably 20 years ago.

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[Texascavers] Fwd: UTG program last night

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

I've been asked how to find the 46 minute video. Here's the link:

https://www.periscope.tv/UTGrotto/1YqxoZydnYaJv

It goes, 

Bill Steele 
cwilliamste...@gmail.com


Begin forwarded message:

> From: Bill Steele 
> Date: August 4, 2016 at 7:28:44 AM CDT
> To: texascavers@texascavers.com
> Subject: UTG program last night
> 
> Last night, from the comfort of my home in Irving, Texas, I watched and 
> enjoyed the program live from Austin. I used the app Periscope. It was easy. 
> 
> The program was a slide show and lively narrative by Fernando Hernandez about 
> this year's PESH (Proyecto Espeleologico Sistema Huautla) expedition. This 
> was Fernando's first trip to Huautla. His perspective as a Mexican citizen, 
> excellent caver, fluent in English, and culturally sensitive, made for a very 
> interesting talk. 
> 
> My understanding is that the video of Fernando's talk will be available at 
> Periscope for a short amount of time. 
> 
> One thing that Fernando did not mention is that he was the winner of the PESH 
> 2016 Expedition "Rookie of the Year" award. He hustled underground and was a 
> pleasure to be around. 
> 
> Cavingly,
> 
> Bill Steele 
> cwilliamste...@gmail.com
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Re: [Texascavers] sort of related to Tex-Mex caving

[Charles Loving via Texascavers]

Yes!

On Thu, Aug 4, 2016 at 2:45 AM, David via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> Do Texas cavers still pass thru the bordertown of Nuevo Laredo on
> their way to Bustamante ?
>
> If so, here is a travel-safety-related story:
>
> Last Sunday, there were allegedly 2 shoot-outs between an alleged group
> of men with assault rifles, and some group authorized by the gov't to fight
> crime.   There is only a tiny vague report in the major newspaper El
> Man~ana, and a
> 2 fuzzy dark videos with bullet sounds on YouTube that barely vaguely
> confirm it,
> ( could be firecracker videos ).
>
> Below are the coordinates:
>
>  27.473534, -99.546544
>
> That is about 2,000 feet south of the route that we used to drive on the
> way to Bustamante back in the mid-1980's.  And about 1-1/2 mile from
> what used to be called, "Boystown."  ( Sidenote:  I heard rumors that
> place has been
> shut down for years.The official name of the place was the "Zona
> de Tolerancia." )
>
> What makes this news story stand out, is the 2 local gangs have allegedly
> declared war on one another publicly.   One group claiming to be an
> honest vigilante group
> is shown on the internet with about 20 masked men with assault rifles.
>  They
> allegedly have made a public curfew after dark, and told all people to
> avoid
> bars and travel at night.I have heard rumors that there is no
> local police force, but
> there is some kind of SWAT-like squad operated at the Federal or State
> level.
>
> I have in-laws from the bordertown of Reynosa ( near McAllen ), and
> they claim Reynosa
> is safer than Nuevo Laredo.
>
> I guess the point to this post is not to travel off the beaten path
> there at night.The majority
> of the local newspaper reports things like people having picnics and
> quinceneras,
> and local business is normal.
>
> http://www.elmanana.com/reconoceorganismointernacional
> liderazgoeconomicodenlaredo-3357649.html
>
> I was in that town 2 years ago at night and tried to celebrate my 50th
> birthday, but my recollection
> of that is that Nuevo Laredo was not the kind of place any tourist
> would want to go.
>
> I can't remember the last time I crossed at the Columbia Bridge.It
> was probably 20 years ago.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laredo%E2%80%93Colombia_
> Solidarity_International_Bridge
>
>
> David Locklear
>
> Ref:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKc6gObhQZw
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bustamante,_Nuevo_Leon
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grutas_de_Bustamante
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[Texascavers] UTG program last night

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

Last night, from the comfort of my home in Irving, Texas, I watched and enjoyed 
the program live from Austin. I used the app Periscope. It was easy. 

The program was a slide show and lively narrative by Fernando Hernandez about 
this year's PESH (Proyecto Espeleologico Sistema Huautla) expedition. This was 
Fernando's first trip to Huautla. His perspective as a Mexican citizen, 
excellent caver, fluent in English, and culturally sensitive, made for a very 
interesting talk. 

My understanding is that the video of Fernando's talk will be available at 
Periscope for a short amount of time. 

One thing that Fernando did not mention is that he was the winner of the PESH 
2016 Expedition "Rookie of the Year" award. He hustled underground and was a 
pleasure to be around. 

Cavingly,

Bill Steele 
cwilliamste...@gmail.com
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[Texascavers] sort of related to Tex-Mex caving

[David via Texascavers]

Do Texas cavers still pass thru the bordertown of Nuevo Laredo on
their way to Bustamante ?

If so, here is a travel-safety-related story:

Last Sunday, there were allegedly 2 shoot-outs between an alleged group
of men with assault rifles, and some group authorized by the gov't to fight
crime.   There is only a tiny vague report in the major newspaper El
Man~ana, and a
2 fuzzy dark videos with bullet sounds on YouTube that barely vaguely
confirm it,
( could be firecracker videos ).

Below are the coordinates:

 27.473534, -99.546544

That is about 2,000 feet south of the route that we used to drive on the
way to Bustamante back in the mid-1980's.  And about 1-1/2 mile from
what used to be called, "Boystown."  ( Sidenote:  I heard rumors that
place has been
shut down for years.The official name of the place was the "Zona
de Tolerancia." )

What makes this news story stand out, is the 2 local gangs have allegedly
declared war on one another publicly.   One group claiming to be an
honest vigilante group
is shown on the internet with about 20 masked men with assault rifles.   They
allegedly have made a public curfew after dark, and told all people to avoid
bars and travel at night.I have heard rumors that there is no
local police force, but
there is some kind of SWAT-like squad operated at the Federal or State level.

I have in-laws from the bordertown of Reynosa ( near McAllen ), and
they claim Reynosa
is safer than Nuevo Laredo.

I guess the point to this post is not to travel off the beaten path
there at night.The majority
of the local newspaper reports things like people having picnics and
quinceneras,
and local business is normal.

http://www.elmanana.com/reconoceorganismointernacionalliderazgoeconomicodenlaredo-3357649.html

I was in that town 2 years ago at night and tried to celebrate my 50th
birthday, but my recollection
of that is that Nuevo Laredo was not the kind of place any tourist
would want to go.

I can't remember the last time I crossed at the Columbia Bridge.It
was probably 20 years ago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laredo%E2%80%93Colombia_Solidarity_International_Bridge


David Locklear

Ref:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKc6gObhQZw

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bustamante,_Nuevo_Leon

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grutas_de_Bustamante
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