Re: [Texascavers] Frank Binney NSS Luminary Talk

[Jacqueline Thomas]

Frank,
I enjoyed that immensely! Thanks for putting all that together for us. Jacqui


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> On Jul 29, 2021, at 5:05 PM, Mark Minton  wrote:
> 
> Or, with apologies to Gilbert Shelton, “Rope will get you through times of no 
> Money better than Money will get you through times of no Rope!”
>  
> Mark Minton
>  
> From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
> Rob Ralph
> Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2021 5:40 PM
> To: texascavers@texascavers.com
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Frank Binney NSS Luminary Talk
>  
> Thanks for the invite. I listened to your talk earlier and really liked your 
> sponsors. You really caught the highlights of the Kirkwood culture.
> Donde hay mecate, hay esperanza. 
> Where’s there’s rope, there’s hope.
> 
> On 29 Jul 2021, at 2:56 PM, Miles Abernathy  wrote:
> 
>> Frank, that is a really good video!
>> Miles Abernathy
>>  
>> On Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 1:17 PM fr...@frankbinney.com 
>>  wrote:
>>> Hey Y’all—
>>> The NSS has given me the opportunity to highlight many of the legends in 
>>> Texas caving in my Luminary Talk for this year’s virtual convention. If 
>>> you’d like, grab a cold Shiner beer and check out  "Growing Up Underground: 
>>> Confessions of a Pit Hippie" at:
>>> https://youtu.be/Ms-IS2IkyjY
>>> Salud,
>>> Frank Binney, NSS 10816, former UT Grotto Chair
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Re: [Texascavers] NSS website

[Jacqueline Thomas]

Thanks, Carol.
I just went to the website & was able to log in. I can get onto all the pages, 
but when I go to the “membership info” line on the “my profile” sidebar it 
tries to load my info but keeps reloading and reloading and reloading.

Has anyone tried to get into their membership information via this route? I 
think I’ll just make a phone call & renew the old fashioned way. Jacq.

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> On Jun 21, 2021, at 11:18 AM, Carol Belski  wrote:
> 
> I just checked and seemed to be able to get into all the pages.
> 
> —Carol
> 
>> On Jun 21, 2021, at 9:02 AM, Jacqueline Thomas  wrote:
>> 
>> Is anyone having trouble loading the NSS website? I tried to renew my 
>> membership and the page keeps reloading, on some sort of a loop. When I 
>> tried to see Crash’s June 18th message on the member services page weekly 
>> report it does the same thing. This only happens with the NSS site.
>> 
>> I ask because my computer died and I’ve just started using a new one so 
>> there’s always a chance my new computer might have something against caving. 
>>  Jacqui
>> 
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[Texascavers] NSS website

[Jacqueline Thomas]

Is anyone having trouble loading the NSS website? I tried to renew my 
membership and the page keeps reloading, on some sort of a loop. When I tried 
to see Crash’s June 18th message on the member services page weekly report it 
does the same thing. This only happens with the NSS site.

I ask because my computer died and I’ve just started using a new one so there’s 
always a chance my new computer might have something against caving.  Jacqui

 
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Re: [Texascavers] Walter Feaster RIP

[Jacqueline Thomas]

Great photo, thanks! Word around PBSS was that NSS wouldn’t use this (or 
similar) for a cover because of the proximity of Walter’s shoes to the pool’s 
rim. 

Walter was an stalwart member of PBSS. I met him the year PBSS hosted Spring 
Convention at the Caverns of Sonora (2001?) and I joined PBSS shortly 
thereafter. Walter was Treasurer and/or Secretary for the whole time I was in 
Texas and was the editor of the Hole News for many years. He was the keeper of 
the Caverns Restoration 5 gallon buckets and his breakfast tacos were an event 
unto themselves. He worked on the Fort Stanton survey. He was fun to cave and 
camp with and had just enough curmudgeon in him to keep us all on our toes. 

Rest in Peace, dear man.



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> On Feb 5, 2021, at 7:07 PM, Karstwalker  wrote:
> 
> One of my photos of Walter in Abyss Sinkhole, Aug, 2000
> 
> 
> On 2021-02-05 16:55, Marvin Miller wrote:
>> Bill Bentley posted on FB that Walter Feaster has died. I met him once at 
>> Amazing Maze and I might have seen him at conventions or TCR.
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Re: [Texascavers] Walter Feaster RIP

[Jacqueline Thomas]

Thanks, Marvin, for posting Walter’s passing to the listserve—occasionally we 
forget that Facebook posts do not reach all interested parties. Jacqui


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> On Feb 5, 2021, at 4:55 PM, Marvin Miller  wrote:
> 
> Bill Bentley posted on FB that Walter Feaster has died. I met him once at 
> Amazing Maze and I might have seen him at conventions or TCR.
> 
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[Texascavers] Field Museum Bats & coronaviruses

[Jacqueline Thomas]

This was in my Field newsletter. Before sending it out I checked if there was a 
copyright issue and the copyright statement is as follows:

"You may use the Museum’s Content for personal, non-commercial purposes only or 
for “fair use” as described by Section 107 of the United States Copyright Act 
(e.g., classroom teaching), provided that you cite the source and retain all 
copyright and other proprietary notices contained on or in the Content. Content 
under copyright and owned by third parties may not be used for any purpose, 
except as allowed by fair use, without permission of the rights holder.” Just 
FYI in case someone wants to copy & use elsewhere. The source study is cited at 
the end of the article. 

Coronaviruses and bats have been evolving together for millions of years
Different groups of bats have their own unique strains of coronavirus

Bats do a lot of good for the world—they pollinate plants, they eat 
disease-carrying insects, and they help disperse seeds that help with the 
regeneration of tropical forest trees. Bats and a range of other mammal groups 
are also natural carriers of coronaviruses. To better understand this very 
diverse family of viruses, which includes the specific coronavirus behind 
COVID-19, scientists compared the different kinds of coronaviruses living in 36 
bat species from the western Indian Ocean and nearby areas of Africa. They 
found that different groups of bats at the genus and in some cases family level 
had their own unique strains of coronavirus, revealing that bats and 
coronaviruses have been evolving together for millions of years.

“We found that there’s a deep evolutionary history between bats and 
coronaviruses,” says Steve Goodman, MacArthur Field Biologist at Chicago’s 
Field Museum and an author of a paper just released in Scientific Reports 
detailing the discovery. “Developing a better understanding of how 
coronaviruses evolved can help us build public health programs in the future.” 
The study was led by Université de La Réunion scientists Léa Joffrin and 
Camille Lebarbenchon, who conducted the genetic analyses in the laboratory of 
“Processus infectieux en milieu insulaire tropical (PIMIT)” on Réunion Island, 
focusing on emerging infectious diseases on islands in the western Indian Ocean.

A lot of people use “coronavirus” as a synonym for “COVID-19,” the kind of 
coronavirus causing the current pandemic. However, there are a vast number of 
types of different coronaviruses, potentially as many as bat species, and most 
of them are unknown to be transferred to humans and pose no known threat. The 
coronaviruses carried by the bats studied in this paper are different from the 
one behind COVID-19, but by learning about coronaviruses in bats in general, we 
can better understand the virus affecting us today.

All animals have viruses that live inside them, and bats, as well as a range of 
other mammal groups, happen to be natural carriers of coronaviruses. These 
coronaviruses don’t appear to be harmful to the bats, but there’s potential for 
them to be dangerous to other animals if the viruses have opportunities to jump 
between species. This study examines the genetic relationships between 
different strains of coronaviruses and the animals they live in, which sets the 
stage for a better understanding of the transfer of viruses from animals to 
humans.

Goodman, who has been based on Madagascar for several decades, and his 
colleagues took swab and some cases blood samples from more than a thousand 
bats representing 36 species found on islands in the western Indian Ocean and 
coastal areas of the African nation of Mozambique. Eight percent of the bats 
they sampled were carrying a coronavirus.

“This is a very rough estimate of the proportion of infected bats. There is 
increasing evidence for seasonal variation in the circulation of these viruses 
in bats, suggesting that this number may significantly vary according to the 
time of the year,” says Camille Lebarbenchon, Disease Ecologist at the 
Université de La Réunion.

The researchers ran genetic analyses of the coronaviruses present in these 
bats. By comparing the coronaviruses isolated and sequenced in the context of 
this study with ones from other animals including dolphins, alpacas, and 
humans, they were able to build a giant coronavirus family tree. This family 
tree shows how the different kinds of coronavirus are related to each other.

“We found that for the most part, each of the different genera of families of 
bats for which coronavirus sequences were available had their own strains,” 
says Goodman. “Moreover, based on the evolutionary history of the different bat 
groups, it is clear that there is a deep coexistence between bats (at the level 
of genus and family) and their associated coronaviruses.” For example, fruit 
bats of the family Pteropodidae from different continents and islands formed a 
cluster in their tree and were genetically different than the coronavi

Re: [Texascavers] MAP SALOON ENTRIES

[Jacqueline Thomas]

Thank you for making my evening! 

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> On Mar 19, 2020, at 5:25 PM, Carol W Russell  wrote:
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> If there's a Map Saloon, these are perfect.But also for the Salon
> 
> On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 4:03 PM Nancy Weaver  wrote:
> first place! Nancy
> 
> > On Mar 19, 2020, at 4:01 PM, Charles Loving  wrote:
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Re: [Texascavers] Has a date and location for the next TCR been selected yet.

[Jacqueline Thomas]

I worked at Camp Sol Mayer for 5 years at BSA summer camp. It’s a beautiful 
place, with San Saba River access. I think everyone will enjoy it immensely. 
Just spray yourselves with DEET and have a great time! Jacqui


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> On Nov 20, 2019, at 5:20 PM, Nancy Weaver  wrote:
> 
> this place has it all.  flooding.  wind shear.  mud so deep no vehicles can 
> move and tornado!!  its the perfect site for TCR.
> https://www.westtexasscoutinghistory.net/camp_solmayer.html
> Nancy
> 
>> On Nov 20, 2019, at 11:51 AM, Diana Tomchick 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> BSA Camp Sol Mayer in Menard County,
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Re: [Texascavers] Robber Baron Cave

[Jacqueline Thomas]

Geary,
If/when you get the Shelta Cave thing going, keep me in mind! Especially if 
there’s camping. Jacqui


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> On Sep 30, 2019, at 9:50 AM, Geary Schindel  
> wrote:
> 
> Folks,
> 
> I have a caving post.
> 
> I want to say how impressed I was with Lindsey Adamonski, Joe Mitchell, and 
> Joe Ranzau and the many many volunteers that worked on the Robber Baron Open 
> House. It was an outstanding event and incredibly well organized. Also for 
> Elaine and Rob Bissett for organizing the After Open House party and 
> degassing. I know that many cavers drove from Austin and Houston to attend 
> the event as well as all the cavers from the San Antonio area. It is always 
> great to see cavers - young and old to volunteer to support caves and caving 
> events. THANK YOU. 
> 
> I understand that more than 700 folks visited the cave, it was a major fund 
> raiser which will go back into the caving community, and that there was some 
> great outreach by many of the organizations present including the TSA, Bexar 
> Grotto, TCMA, TSP, Master Naturalists, EAA, etc. Here is a link to an article 
> in the San Antonio Express News you all may want to see. 
> https://www.expressnews.com/news/local/article/Hundreds-flock-to-Robber-Baron-to-get-rare-14475886.php
>  Make sure that you click through the photos and see the one of Mio Kitano 
> who is covered in the Express News on a regular basis (I think she needs an 
> agent). 
> 
> I've been working with some of the folks in the Huntsville area to hold a 
> similar event in Shelta Cave in Huntsville, Alabama. The Robber Baron Open 
> House is a great model.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Geary M. Schindel
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Re: [Texascavers] Groad Hollow

[Jacqueline Thomas]

Minor correction to David’s correction of Geary’s post: Jacqui is correct when 
it comes to caving and friends. I am now in Alabama, though. Roll Tide! 

Regards,
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> On Jun 24, 2019, at 6:20 PM, AC  wrote:
> 
> Correction to David’s post— Oztotl. 
> 
> Smart phone, stupid autocorrect
> 
>> On Jun 24, 2019, at 6:10 PM, David  wrote:
>> 
>> I was referring to a large event tent with the Oxtotl logo on it.
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Texascavers] CBSP project

[Jacqueline Thomas]

Thanks, Diana! 

Everybody else, I’ve got it! Jacq.


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> On Apr 30, 2019, at 5:59 PM, Diana Tomchick 
>  wrote:
> 
> Contact
> 
> cbsp@gmail.com
> 
> Diana
> 
> **
> Diana R. Tomchick
> Professor
> Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry
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> (214) 645-6383 (phone)
> (214) 645-6353 (fax)
> 
> On Apr 30, 2019, at 5:49 PM, Jacqueline Thomas  wrote:
> 
> Hi, all,
> Who is keeping the Colorado Bend State Park project paperwork? I found a page 
> in my survey book from the project in January of 2008—Red Light Cave—I would 
> like to get it to its proper home. Jacqui
> 
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[Texascavers] CBSP project

[Jacqueline Thomas]

Hi, all,
Who is keeping the Colorado Bend State Park project paperwork? I found a page 
in my survey book from the project in January of 2008—Red Light Cave—I would 
like to get it to its proper home. Jacqui


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Re: [Texascavers] 5 pm Thursday update: William Russell

[Jacqueline Thomas]

I am sad. Bill was very fortunate to have you, Katie. Jacqui

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> On Mar 21, 2019, at 10:06 PM, Fofo  wrote:
> 
> This is very sad news. My thoughts are with you and with Bill.
> 
> - Fofo
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 21/03/19 15:07, Katherine Arens wrote:
>>  stopped breathing and went caving about twenty minutes ago. He's left the 
>> building.
>> 
>> Katherine Arens   Phones: Office(512) 232-6363
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>> (512) 471-4123
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>> University of Texas at AustinOffice:  Burdine 320
>> Austin, TX  78712-1802
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Re: [Texascavers] I saw so many good reviews about this

[Jacqueline Thomas]

I don’t know what this is and I don’t usually click on links without a bit of a 
description?


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> On Mar 20, 2019, at 7:34 PM, F D Caudle  wrote:
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> Only few left http://category.farrisimage.com
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Re: [Texascavers] Bill Russell Update

[Jacqueline Thomas]

What Fofo said.


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> On Mar 20, 2019, at 5:53 PM, Fofo  wrote:
> 
> I'm so really sorry to hear this. 
> 
> Sending good energy and positive thoughts, and a hug. 
> 
> - Fofo 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mar 20, 2019, at 14:42, Katherine Arens  wrote:
> 
>> Folks, he may not survive the night.  He’s gonna miss the cave meeting , . . 
>> 
>> Katherine Arens
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>> 2505 University Ave, C3300 
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>> University of Texas at Austin
>> Office:  Burdine 320
>> Austin, TX  78712-1802
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Re: [Texascavers] Sat AM Bill Russell Update

[Jacqueline Thomas]

HOORAY!!!

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> On Mar 16, 2019, at 10:05 AM, Katherine Arens  wrote:
> 
> Out of ICU, now in Room 668.
> 
> katie
> 
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> FAX (512) 471-4025
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Re: [Texascavers] Federal shutdown, etc.

[Jacqueline Thomas]

May I suggest when we have a personal issue with an individual on this list 
that we contact that person directly? 

This leaves the rest of us to pursue what started to be an interesting 
discussion of constructive ways to help folks who are furloughed due to the 
shutdown.

Jacqui


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> On Jan 22, 2019, at 8:40 AM, Michael Gibbons <6453...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I misspell shit because it drives yall freaking batty. Check you own 
> spelling. Your far from purfect. 
> 
> On Tue, Jan 22, 2019, 7:50 AM Bill Steele  Michael Gibbons, here, this may help. 
> 
> hypocrite - 
> https://www.google.com/search?q=hypocrite+meaning&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari
> 
> Hippocrates - 
> https://www.google.com/search?q=hippocrates&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari
> 
> 
> On Jan 22, 2019, at 7:42 AM, Michael Gibbons <6453...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> So the politically charged federal shutdown is caving related and the facts, 
>> undistorted as they are, about the politically charged shutdown is 
>> propaganda. 
>> I'm not even gonna justisfy that complete lack of anything logic, with a 
>> response. I knew there was a reason I quit joining any discussion in this 
>> forum. If it ain't in agreement with your narrow minded ways you get singled 
>> out and your words get twisted.
>> It's not like I don't monitor this media. As soon as yall posted me last 
>> time the ban on all things craving was lifted. 
>> I hate hippocrates more than I hate stupid.
>> See ya in a year when I'm sure I'll talk myself into thinking you 
>> reasonable, unbiased, non judge mental, accepting folks. Im sure you'll 
>> disappoint.  This time took less than 24 hrs.
>> Toddlers turds
>> 
>> On Tue, Jan 22, 2019, 6:42 AM John Brooks > wrote:
>> How did political propaganda creep onto the Texas Cavers email list ?
>> 
>> Reinstate the ban on political discussions - keep this list ABOUT CAVES & 
>> CAVING.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jan 22, 2019, at 5:00 AM, Michael Gibbons <6453...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Write Chuck and Nancy and tell them to pretend their not hippocrates and 
>>> like they did when Obama was in office.
>>> In Chuckles words when defending his unwavering position on a border 
>>> barrier and the 670mi he sponsored. Walls don't work, fences do.
>>> As he was coming out of DNC headquarters, surrounded by 2 1/2 miles of ten 
>>> foot concrete wall with guard tended gates.
>>> It doesn't matter who caused the debacle and the jury is still out in that 
>>> but the continuance falls squarely on the shoulders of an irresponsible and 
>>> hypocritical political leadership. 
>>> I feel for your plight but you should consider yourself lucky.  Lots of 
>>> folks deal with similar problems from layoffs that won't begin after 
>>> playing politics with our lives is not longer the hate Trump "crisis" 
>>> dujour.
>>> People that have to strike to better their stature don't get letters to 
>>> send to their debtors even once and in most families in financial 
>>> difficulty the first thing to go and the last thing to resume is daycare. 
>>> Your quite fortunate to be so secure 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Jan 22, 2019, 4:11 AM Missy Singleton >> I agree with what Kathy said.  As a Fed we are regularly warned/taught 
>>> about what we should and should not say regarding political issues to 
>>> others and on social media.  The furlough sucks financially and 
>>> environmentally.  Im actually stressed about not working because I know all 
>>> the time sensitive issues I was working on will bottle neck.  Time 
>>> sensitive analysis document regarding the potential to protect species in 
>>> rapid decline.  I’m a non-essential so I’m not being asked to work without 
>>> pay, thankfully.  Most of my coworkers have filed for unemployment and some 
>>> are working for temp agencies.  I’m using this time to tackle big projects 
>>> at home since we bought our house and moved when I was 9 months pregnant.  
>>> Money is tight!  Daycare doesn’t care if I’m not getting paid and if we 
>>> withdrew our kids to save money they’d loose there positions plus we’d have 
>>> to pay registration again when re enrolling them.  The paperwork we got at 
>>> the beginning of the furlough to share with creditors has expired. Issuing 
>>> a new one sounds easy, but not when over 90% of us have elected to not have 
>>> paper communication and all of our accounts are set for email notification 
>>> and all of our government equipment is forbidden to be used and government 
>>> website for our branch of DOI haven’t all been able to be maintained.  All 
>>> of my information coming from leadership has come in the form of novel 
>>> length text messages and extremely short notice conference calls.  We are 
>>> all just trying to ride the big wave and cope the best we can.  I’m really 
>>> proud of my efforts to learn how to restore our back deck and our new 
>>> landscaping will look great when it’s completed.  Hope

Re: [Texascavers] [SWR CAVERS] NSS Publication / scam?

[Jacqueline Thomas]

I finally responded to the yellow postcard today, and updated Kel’s information 
also. The young woman I spoke with was pleasant and not even remotely pushy. 
She gave me the prices of both the hard copy and the digital version, we 
chatted a bit, and that was that. No sale pitch at all. I was polite to her and 
she was polite right back. I think sometimes with these folks you get what you 
project.

I’m not purchasing anything but for someone who has been caving for a long time 
and has lost track of more than a few individuals a directory of everyone who 
had ever been an NSS member would be of value. My high school put together such 
a directory a few years back and it has been useful.

Regarding privacy, if a company that produces a directory of this type did not 
take privacy seriously it would not around for more than one directory. This 
company has produced more than one such directory and is still in business so 
I’m not particularly concerned. Jacq. 


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> On Jul 20, 2018, at 9:18 AM, Michael Gibbons <6453...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Apparently you didn't read my email.  An option to reply is to call them.  
> Which I did.  It was a pleasant experience.  They verified my info and asked 
> what info I  authorized to be included in the publication. 
> They asked my if I wished to purchase a directory and I told them not at this 
> time.  And that was it. 
> I'm proud to be a member of the NSS
> and am happy to include my contact info.  Perhaps one day I might find 
> someone I once knew through this effort. Perhaps someone will need a place to 
> stay or help with a broken auto while cruising through San Antonio and I'm 
> the only one listed.  I'd be able to help them. 
> I doubt the motives of the NSS are nefarious and the ownership of the company 
> collecting the information is contractually obliged not to deceminate our 
> information to any other entities save our own. 
> The solution to not having your information compromised is to choose not to 
> participate. 
> All this pissing  and moaning is petty and becoming tiresome. 
> Just opt out. That simple. 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jul 19, 2018, 4:04 PM Stephen Fleming  wrote:
> It is a marketing thing authorized by the NSS.
> 
> The NSS says it is costing the organization no money and the contractor funds 
> the effort from sales of the rather pricey merchandise.
> 
> However, the NSS will get a cut of proceeds: "This is NOT a significant fund 
> raiser for NSS, thought [sic] we do get a small commission on sales." 
> 
> The percentage of return is not stated, and the postcard is disingenuous in 
> not revealing this financial arrangement. You have to search the NSS website 
> to find that tidbit.
> 
> Regardless, I won't be calling or participating; the NSS knows how to contact 
> me and they already have everything they need to know.
> 
> Allen's listing of the questions asked goes way beyond basic caver info and 
> seeks information the NSS has no business collecting.
> 
> I put this thing in the same category as telemarketers. Unwelcome and not 
> tolerated.
> 
> I did not opt-in for the NSS to release my contact information, even to a 
> contractor, for such a use. The fact that I can decide not to participate 
> pales beside the NSS misusing my personal data.
> 
> Stephen
> 13727 RL FE
> 
> 
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Re: [Texascavers] UT Grotto "Meeting" July 4th

[Jacqueline Thomas]

That is one exquisite sum-i !

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> On Jul 1, 2018, at 12:07 PM, Underground Texas Grotto  
> wrote:
> 
> Greetings Cavers,
> If you're able, willing, and in Austin for Independence Day, get in something 
> that you can paddle and join us for the bat flight and fireworks show.
> 
> When everything's over it's very pleasant to coast back dowstream with the 
> current, so unless you have your own special place to put in, we can 
> recommend parking under or as close as possible to the north side of the I 35 
> bridge.  Let's say around 7:30.  The bats decide to grace us between 
> 8:15-8:45, and flashy boom sky sparkles are about 9:30.  If you have a kind 
> of anchor, the fireworks display is much more relaxing without fighting the 
> current to stay in place.
> 
> We plan to have a flag hoisted so cavers coming from every which way at any 
> odd time can locate the group.  I don't yet know what it will look like.
> 
> With kindest regards,
> Patty Calabrese
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Re: [Texascavers] Artwork related

[Jacqueline Thomas]

How cool is that?! That took some talent and planning. Jacq.


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> On Jun 17, 2018, at 2:17 PM, David  wrote:
> 
> 
> From David Locklear
> Cavepearl surpised me with a hand-made card for Father's Day.
> 
> It features a pop-out bat with a pull-tab revealing a hidden gift-card.
> 
> The back-side sealing the envelope was another bat.
> 
> I don't see how I could have received a nicer gift.
> 
> D.L.
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/a1va3bqa0iu7il7/20180617_134122.jpg?dl=0
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Re: [Texascavers] a nostalgic post

[Jacqueline Thomas]

Thanks, Logan, for breaking that particular vow. Jacqui

> On Mar 22, 2018, at 2:33 AM, Logan McNatt  wrote:
> 
> David,
> I am breaking my own vow of never replying to your emails to texascavers, 
> but I recognized the "tourist lady" in the photo as Queen Elizabeth, and the 
> man beside her as the Duke of Edinburgh. A quick search of "Queen Elizabeth 
> in cave" yielded several links about her visit to the Waitomo caves on Jan 1, 
> 1954. There is even a one minute video
> https://www.britishpathe.com/video/queens-tour-continues-1
> The photo you posted is shown in Images. So you were correct.
> 
> You suggested " Maybe you could track down the lady, and interview her about 
> it ?"
> My suggestion: Maybe she has a Facebook page.
> 
> When she visited Belize in 1985, I was working as a Peace Corps Volunteer for 
> the Department of Archaeology, and had the honor to place the famous "Jade 
> Head" from the site of Altun Ha on a pedestal in the foyer of the National 
> Assembly building. From that vantage point I watched her surprise everyone by 
> walking through the crowd--not many places she would feel safe enough to do 
> that. She walked up the steps and paused for a minute to view the 
> archaeological display. She was about 10 feet away from me and we made direct 
> eye contact.
> 
> One of many vivid memories I have of my time in Belize, unfortunately no 
> photos of this one. Just found this video which I had not seen before. 
> Starting about 14:52 you can see the crowd and the front of the building.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pnb5w-r_nUU
> 
> A nostalgic post, for true.
> Logan McNatt
> 
> 
> On 3/22/2018 12:10 AM, David wrote:
>> From David Locklear
>> ( still fully retired )
>> 
>> This post is about an old photo of some tourist in a cave ( allegedly in 
>> Aranui Cave on December 31, 1953 ).
>> 
>> I feel very certain, that I saw this photo in an old magazine from 1954 in a 
>> used book store about 30 years ago, featuring
>> just the lady standing in front of the formation. I have always 
>> regretted not buying it, but it did not seem that
>> relevant at the time.
>> 
>> Tonight something reminded me of it, and I surfed the web diligently, and I 
>> could not find the magazine,
>> but I believe I may have found the photo related to it.   Please click on 
>> the link
>> below:
>> 
>> ( Maybe it was something like LOOK Magazine or COUNTRY LIFE Magazine.  My 
>> memory is distorted. )
>> 
>> I believe the woman is pretending to admire the glow worms.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> https://resources.stuff.co.nz/content/dam/images/1/6/u/e/1/7/image.related.StuffLandscapeSixteenByNine.620x349.16udbi.png/1441936820758.jpg
>> 
>> I believe GETTY IMAGES owns a better copy. Some creative person ( not me 
>> ) could find a way to obtain that, and write
>> a fancy article just for the sake of it.  Maybe you could track down the 
>> lady, and interview her about it ?
>> 
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Re: [Texascavers] TSA Officer Elections

[Jacqueline Thomas via Texascavers]

Thanks for the reminder, Linda. 

Anybody: How do I vote? I checked the website and I am up-to-date but I don’t 
see anything on the website for voting. Jacq..


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> On Oct 18, 2017, at 9:51 AM, Linda Palit via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> TSA officer elections continue through October 28th.  If you have not done 
> so, please vote.
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Re: [Texascavers] New TCMA Website!!!

[Jacqueline Thomas via Texascavers]

I like it! Very nicely done. Jacq.


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> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Bennett Lee via Texascavers 
> To: 'texascavers@texascavers.com' ; bexargrotto 
> 
> Cc: Bennett Lee 
> Sent: Fri, Sep 1, 2017 6:26 pm
> Subject: [Texascavers] New TCMA Website!!!
> 
> I am pleased to announce a brand new TCMA website has launched!  Yes, the 
> 1990s website is gone, and TCMA now has a modern look and a plethora of new 
> online features, including:
>  
>   • Mobile-friendly!  Looks great from your desktop down to your mobile 
> device, complete with reduced bandwidth for mobile devices.
>   • Social media buttons!  A single click of can share any page or post 
> on your favorite social media platform.
>   • Facebook feeds!  You don’t need Facebook to see what’s happening with 
> the TCMA—recent posts show directly on the TCMA home page.
>   • Auto-renewing membership!  Online memberships can now be optionally 
> renewed each year!  Finally!
>   • Sustaining donations!  We can now accept monthly Sustaining Donations 
> online.  Sustaining Donations are a huge help to the TCMA both for budgeting 
> and for establishing monthly revenue, which is fundamental to cave 
> acquisitions.  You can donate as little $5/month.  Plus, TCMA membership is 
> included with your Sustaining Donation!  Start your Sustaining Donation today.
>  
> See all these features and more at:
> https://www.tcmacaves.org
>  
> Don’t forget to support the TCMA with our Amazon link at the top right of 
> each page.  Note that this link is different than Amazon Smile, and the link 
> contributes 10x more than Smile.  For details, see the bottom of the TCMA 
> home page.
>  
> Bennett Lee
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Re: [Texascavers] Hurricane Harvey Relief

[Jacqueline Thomas via Texascavers]

Hi, Gregg,
Thanks for getting this set up for us! Jacqui


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> On Aug 27, 2017, at 6:04 PM, Gregg Williams via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> Cavers and friends - 
> 
> Our Texas Gulf Coast Caver family is being greatly impacted by Hurricane 
> Harvey.  Despite cavers being a resilient and well prepared bunch, Harvey is 
> likely to overwhelm many of them through sheer brute force.  Those of us 
> fortunate enough not to be severely impacted are already looking for ways we 
> may help.  
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Re: [Texascavers] Houston question

[Jacqueline Thomas via Texascavers]

I’ve received an email from David, plus emails off-list from lots of other 
people who told me he’s above water. Thanks, everybody. Jacqui

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> On Aug 30, 2017, at 3:26 PM, Jon Cradit via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> David sent me a photo this morning.
> He is high and dry in a nice neighborhood where you can see green grass, not 
> mud.
>  
> Jon
>  
> From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
> Linda Palit via Texascavers
> Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 3:23 PM
> To: texascavers@texascavers.com
> Cc: Linda Palit 
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Houston question
>  
> I got an update from him when he was stacking stuff in his house. I think 
> that was Monday.
> On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 7:08 PM Mike Furrey via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> I have seen him post a couple of times on FB offering the floor of his motel 
> room to any other cavers that may need a place to crash during Harvey.
>  
> Mike
>  
> 
> On Tuesday, August 29, 2017 7:15 AM, Jacqueline Thomas via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
>  
> 
> Has anyone heard anything of David Locklear? Everyone else on this list seems 
> to be accounted for. Jacqui
>  
>  
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[Texascavers] Houston question

[Jacqueline Thomas via Texascavers]

Has anyone heard anything of David Locklear? Everyone else on this list seems 
to be accounted for. Jacqui


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Re: [Texascavers] my unsubscribe call may result in a new caver in India!

[Jacqueline Thomas via Texascavers]

Nicely done, Logan!



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> On Jul 10, 2017, at 11:30 PM, Logan McNatt via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> I want to share an unusual phone conversation I had today. As one of the 
> Texas Speleological Survey Directors, I sometimes get unsolicited "Small 
> Business" mailings to TSS c/o my address. Got one today from Dell, so I 
> called to unsubscribe. The representative needed the exact address info to 
> cancel it. Gave it to him, and of course had to spell Speleological. Asked 
> him if he knew what it meant, and of course he didn't.
> 
> When I told him it was the study and exploration of caves, he said "Wow, that 
> sounds interesting. I enjoy trekking in the wilderness." I asked him where he 
> lives--India. He asked more questions, so I gave him several website links 
> (e.g. Sotano de las Golondrinas), which he looked at while we were talking. 
> Told him I'm not familiar with caves in India. I thought we could get cut off 
> at any time, so reached for the closest thing at hand-- my copy of Atlas of 
> The Great Caves of the World (Courbon, Chabert, Bosted, and Lindsley, 1989). 
> We talked for about 20 minutes, and he said he was going to search online for 
> caving groups in India. He is 24 years old, personable, and eager to learn 
> and experience a new adventure. He actually gave me his email and asked me to 
> send any more info I could.
> 
> So, cavers, please send any contacts, references, and suggestions regarding 
> cavers and caves in India to me. I don't want to give out his email address, 
> but will forward them to him. Based on our brief conversation and his 
> attitude, I think he has strong potential to become a hardcore caver.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
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Re: [Texascavers] TCMA happenings at the TSA Convention this weekend

[Jacqueline Thomas]

Who is in charge of collecting auction items? I forget…

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> On Apr 26, 2017, at 9:40 PM, Gregg Williams  wrote:
> 
> The TSA convention is fast approaching and it's really looking like it's 
> going to be a great one! 
> 
> After dinner Saturday afternoon and following some announcements from the TSA 
> folks the TCMA big auction will take place. A silent auction will also be 
> running all day. Make sure you stick around for the entire auction because 
> there is going to be a very big and exciting announcement and a couple very 
> special auction items at the close of the evening.
> 
> The TCMA will be hosting a delicious breakfast for donation on Sunday morning 
> at 8 am, huge thanks to Ellie Watson for taking the lead on that. After 
> everyone is filled up on yummy breakfast there will be a TCMA meeting for all 
> members to attend and hear what your organization has been up to for the last 
> year. 
> 
> I look forward to seeing everyone this weekend!
> 
> 
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Re: [Texascavers] New Mexico gear restrictions

[Jacqueline Thomas]

You bet, Mark. It was your question regarding how long ago? that prompted folks 
to ask me to pass on the latest through the remailer. Jacq.


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> On Apr 24, 2017, at 6:44 AM, mark gee  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Jacqui
> 
> 
> 
> On Saturday, April 22, 2017 10:35 PM, Jacqueline Thomas 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I just got home from the Spring Convention for the Southwest Region and I 
> said I would post the gear update since Pd has been identified in Texas:
> 
> No Texas gear that has been in a Texas cave can come to New Mexico. We all 
> either need new, dedicated gear for NM or we need to borrow New Mexico gear 
> when we get there. There is no safe date (as in, “I haven’t caved with this 
> gear for 3 years”).
> 
> And so it goes. Jacqui
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[Texascavers] New Mexico gear restrictions

[Jacqueline Thomas]

I just got home from the Spring Convention for the Southwest Region and I said 
I would post the gear update since Pd has been identified in Texas:

No Texas gear that has been in a Texas cave can come to New Mexico. We all 
either need new, dedicated gear for NM or we need to borrow New Mexico gear 
when we get there. There is no safe date (as in, “I haven’t caved with this 
gear for 3 years”).

And so it goes. Jacqui


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Re: [Texascavers] FYI, NGWA Conference on Hydrogeophysics and Deep Groundwater with Andrea Croskrey

[Jacqueline Thomas via Texascavers]

Awesome, Andrea! 


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> On Feb 10, 2017, at 8:17 AM, Geary Schindel via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
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> Folks,
> 
> FYI, our very own Andrea Croskrey, with the Texas Water Development Board 
> will be the Keynote presenter at an upcoming National Ground Water 
> Association conference on Hydrogeophysics and Deep Groundwater in Denver 
> Colorado.  Data of the conference is March 20-21. This is quite an honor and 
> congradulations to Andrea. She has done some mighty fine work. Here is the 
> title of her talk and a little bio.
> 
> Keynote presentation
> 
> 
> Mapping Brackish Aquifers: Future Water Resources
> 
> presented by Andrea Croskrey, PG, Texas Water Development Board
> 
> Andrea Croskrey has been mapping brackish aquifers in Texas as a member of 
> the Brackish Resources Aquifer Characterization System - otherwise known as 
> BRACS - since 2013. Prior to working for the state, she was a geologist for 
> the U.S. National Park Service. Croskrey holds a B.S. in comprehensive 
> geology from Northwest Missouri State University and an M.S. in geosciences 
> from Western Kentucky University.
> http://www.ngwa.org/Events-Education/conferences/Pages/5043mar17.aspx
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> Geary
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> 
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Re: [Texascavers] craigslist

[Jacqueline Thomas via Texascavers]

But who tells Craigslist this? I checked the box “prohibited” just to get the 
ball rolling but I did not call the seller. His only contact info is a phone 
number, upper left on the page.

On the list of prohibited items:
any good, service, or content that violates the law or legal rights of others

If you want to do anything else, you have to log in. Jacqui


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> On Sep 19, 2016, at 1:40 AM, George D. Nincehelser via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> Sec. 201.042.  SALE OF SPELEOTHEMS.  (a)  A person may not sell or
> offer for sale any speleothems in this state, or export them for sale
> outside the state, without written permission from the owner of the
> cave from which the speleothems were removed.
> 
> (b)  A person who violates this section is guilty of a Class A
> misdemeanor, unless the person has previously been convicted of
> violating this section, in which case the person is guilty of a state
> jail felony.
> 
> http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/NR/htm/NR.201.htm
> 
> george.nincehel...@gmail.com
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> On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 12:52 AM, Amalia Montoya via Texascavers
>  wrote:
>> Try to contact him, pretending you want to buy it, agreeing on any of his
>> requests, and get the most information from him and make it public.
>> 
>> Amalia
>> 
>> 
>> On Sep 17, 2016 10:56 AM, "Charles Loving via Texascavers"
>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Never gone there to look for Craig?
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 8:46 AM, Nico Escamilla via Texascavers
>>>  wrote:
 
 Some ahole on craigslist is selling cave popcorn..
 http://austin.craigslist.org/grd/5785241265.html
 
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Re: [Texascavers] craigslist

[Jacqueline Thomas via Texascavers]

I am not “on” craigslist but was able to look up the listing and the 
pictures—42 plus pounds selling at a dollar a pound. If the listing goes away 
it means he’s sold it all, so getting on it right away is a good idea. The 
listing of prohibited items does not include cave formations. Maybe someone who 
can contact craigslist can get speleothems added to the prohibited list.

I find it interesting that the cave vandalism reward email and the popcorn 
email were in the same download.
Jacqui




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> On Sep 17, 2016, at 9:03 AM, Katherine Arens via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
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> can someone flag it on craig’s list?  I’m not a member.
> BUST HIM
> k
> On Sep 17, 2016, at 8:46, Nico Escamilla via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
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>> Some ahole on craigslist is selling cave popcorn.. 
>> http://austin.craigslist.org/grd/5785241265.html
>> 
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Re: [Texascavers] Research finds porcupines are prominent in many south-central Texas caves :

[Jacqueline Thomas via Texascavers]

Thanks, Jerry, interesting article.

Since porcupines are primarily tree critters, I wonder if the overgrazing and 
control of fire that turned my part of Texas from savannah grasslands (very few 
live oaks, minimal mesquite, junipers confined to the draws) into the late 
1800s to what it is today has contributed to porcupine creep. Once they were 
here, of course they recognized how great caves are.

Nice to see what Chris T. is up to these days. Jacqui


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> On Aug 26, 2016, at 1:08 AM, Logan McNatt via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> Very interesting study, thanks Jerry.  
> 
> Cavers spend a lot of time in the wild and encounter lots of wildlife--both 
> fauna and flora. For the interested, I highly recommend the book Texas 
> Natural History: A Century of Change, by David J. Schmidly, Texas Tech 
> University Press, 2002.  The first half of the book is an introduction to and 
> reprint of the long out-of-print Biological Survey of Texas, 1889-1905, by 
> Vernon Bailey--an amazing quest. In the second half, Schmidly documents the 
> changes that have occurred to the landscapes/flora and mammalian fauna during 
> the 20th Century, with photos and distribution maps comparing then and now.  
> 
> In the 1889-1905 Biological Survey, porcupines were recorded only in the NW 
> panhandle (Tascosa County) and the Trans-Pecos Davis Mtns area. The current 
> range (as of ca. 2000) is all but the eastern 1/3 of the state, and deep 
> south Texas.
> 
> There are even photos of a jaguar killed in 1903 near Goldthwaite (Mills 
> County)--that's 100 miles NW of Austin!--and another one killed near San 
> Benito (Cameron County) in 1946.  Also in Cameron County...an ocelot killed 
> 1924, and a jaguarundi road kill in 1986.
> 
> A porcupine showed up in my next-door neighbor's yard in early Sept 2012, one 
> block south of a busy highway (Ben White Blvd) in south central Austin.  I 
> called a licensed wildlife trapper named Rio Tenango who easily netted it and 
> released it on a distant ranch that accepts such urban rescues. Small world-- 
> Rio recognized my house because he had been here for a UT Grotto vertical 
> training in my back yard years before.
> 
> Logan McNatt
> lmcn...@austin.rr.com 
> 
> On 8/25/2016 8:15 PM, Marvin and Lisa via Texascavers wrote:
>> And I can say they have been common in Government Canyon caves for years. 
>> However, just in the last couple of years have I seen increased amounts of 
>> road-killed porcupines around Spring Branch.
>> 
>> Marvin Miller
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Texascavers [
>> mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com
>> ] On Behalf Of Jerryatkin via Texascavers
>> Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2016 8:01 PM
>> To: 
>> texascavers@texascavers.com
>> 
>> Cc: 
>> texascavers@texascavers.com
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Research finds porcupines are prominent in many 
>> south-central Texas caves :
>> 
>> They're quite common (hence the Porcupine Grotto) in the western Edwards 
>> Plateau caves.
>> 
>> Jerry Atkinson.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 25, 2016, at 6:54 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers 
>>> 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> A couple live in Deep.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --Don
>>> 
>>> 
 On Aug 25, 2016, at 7:51 PM, Jerryatkin via Texascavers 
 
  wrote:
 
 
 http://www.theeagle.com/landandlivestockpost/agrilifetoday/research-f
 
 inds-porcupines-are-prominent-in-many-south-central-texas/article_7cf
 be577-b3dd-581d-9d44-e2b136b331aa.html
 
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[Texascavers] forward from Saj re: TCMA

[Jacqueline Thomas via Texascavers]

From Saj re: TCMA

Hey everyone, 
So the post office mistakenly closed our PO Box from sometime in May until the 
end of July. It took awhile to realize that there was a problem and even longer 
to resolve it due to poor customer service on the part of the post office. 
Please forgive us for this lapse in service! If you sent us any mail during 
that time period, we have not received it! Please make sure that any missing 
checks are voided. Our postal service has resumed, so feel free to re-send any 
important documents, postcards, etc.! 
Thank you! 
Also, could someone post this to the listserve? Cheers!


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Re: [Texascavers] Zika

[Jacqueline Thomas via Texascavers]

Strangely enough, I used to see names, if only  occasionally, but for this 
thread I see only “texascavers@texascavers.com. Even on this reply. This might 
have been caused by an Apple update but the fact remains, not everyone can see 
who is mailing to the texascavers remailer. Jacqui


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> On May 24, 2016, at 9:11 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> Not on every mail reader. Not on my iPhone, until I attempt reply.
> 
> 
> --Don
> 
> On May 24, 2016, at 9:03 PM, Scott Boyd via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
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>> A thread of 17 messages so far and I see every sender's name, such as "Crash 
>> Kennedy via Texascavers" at the top of the email. (Yes, my signature 
>> follows.)
>> 
>> Scott D. Boyd
>> GPS Technician - TX, LA, AR
>> Professional Transportation, Inc.
>> 
>> On May 24, 2016 8:16 PM, "Crash Kennedy via Texascavers" 
>>  wrote:
>> But CaveTex strips out the senders name, so it just shows up as being from 
>> texascavers.com.  Therefore, if you (and everyone else) fails to put your 
>> name at the end of your posting, none of us know the author.  It's a common 
>> courtesy.
>> 
>> Jim Kennedy
>> 
>> 
>> My full name is in my email.  I haven't used a .sig since the '90s.
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Re: [Texascavers] finalized Program for this weekend

[Jacqueline Thomas via Texascavers]

Daniel,
I just opened it and if you click on the link then close the box that asks you 
to sign in or sign up, the program is right there behind the box. It then acts 
just like a .pdf, with the bar at the bottom for enlarging, etc. You don’t even 
have to download it to your computer. Jacqui


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> On Apr 19, 2016, at 6:02 PM, Caver via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> Do you have any other type that we can view the program? I don't want to 
> download an app that I will never use again and have no desire to. 
> Thanks. 
> 
> Daniel Ramirez
> 
> On Apr 19, 2016, at 5:20 PM, Crash Kennedy via Texascavers 
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>> The Program is back from the printers.  Thanks to the 2016 NSS Convention 
>> for buying adspace and allowing us to print in color.  Preview the PDF 
>> version at 
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/lbqsne2renz0js3/2016%20TSA%20Convention%20program%20v2.pdf?dl=0.
>> 
>> NOTE TO PRESENTERS: make sure that you have ALL of your talk on your laptop 
>> or flash drive. Do not assume that you will have internet access at the 
>> fairgrounds. You will not be able to go online to show any Google Earth 
>> images or YouTube videos when you are there. Download everything in advance, 
>> and make sure it works before you arrive.
>> 
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Re: [Texascavers] school kids at TSA Spring Convention

[Jacqueline Thomas via Texascavers]

Any of you who work at Texas schools know that time to deviate from planned 
activities and lessons is at a minimum. Maybe someone out there knows how what 
we are doing fits into the science curriculum and how to play to that?

I have taught in a town of similar size and have found the exact opposite of 
what was expressed earlier. Jacqui

 
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> On Apr 2, 2016, at 7:14 PM, Charles Loving via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
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> See you there. You want another plant? I want a mystery plant from your 
> collection. Someone bought my painting of Devil'c Sinkhole looking up from 
> the bottom last night. Darn.
> 
> On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 5:43 PM, Jim Kennedy via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> Cool, thanks!  Keep trying!
> 
> Jim
> 
> Mobile email from my iPhone
> 
> > On Apr 2, 2016, at 5:06 PM, Charles Loving via Texascavers 
> >  wrote:
> >
> > Crash
> > I talked to the schools and let them know. I don't know if there was any 
> > excitement. These are really back water schools. A teacher friend says 
> > these two schools are really very dumb. Sorry but I tried. Will keep after 
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Re: [Texascavers] Sad news

[Jacqueline Thomas via Texascavers]

Or… Are we perhaps referring to the father of James McLane III, also a NASA 
engineer but not the caver? 


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On Sep 22, 2015, at 5:51 PM, Jacqueline Thomas via Texascavers wrote:

> Oh, I am so very sad to hear that--we email occasionally and I always look 
> forward to seeing him at caving events. I no idea…  Jacqui
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> On Sep 22, 2015, at 12:33 PM, Bill Steele via Texascavers wrote:
> 
>> Texas cavers,
>> 
>> I just learned that Houston caver Jim McLane has passed away. 
>> 
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Re: [Texascavers] Sad news

[Jacqueline Thomas via Texascavers]

Oh, I am so very sad to hear that--we email occasionally and I always look 
forward to seeing him at caving events. I no idea…  Jacqui


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On Sep 22, 2015, at 12:33 PM, Bill Steele via Texascavers wrote:

> Texas cavers,
> 
> I just learned that Houston caver Jim McLane has passed away. 
> 
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[Texascavers] carabiner recall

[Jacqueline Thomas via Texascavers]

Does anyone use DMM carabiners? They have had a recall. I think it's more 
likely Scout climbing programs, etc. who buy and use large quantities of 
carabiners but the link to the .pdf about the issue is:

http://dmmclimbing.com/documents/dmm-product-recall-14-09-2015.pdf

Jacqui


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Re: [Texascavers] Fires in Edwards County

[Jacqueline Thomas via Texascavers]

Thanks, Aimee! 


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On Aug 12, 2015, at 8:20 AM, Aimee Beveridge via Texascavers wrote:

> 
> There are three active wildfires in Edwards County right now, one north of 
> Rocksprings and two south.  One of them is about 15 miles northeast of Punkin 
> and Deep.  I don't think it is a threat to P&D but it may affect getting to 
> the preserve if you plan to visit.  
> 
> Here is the info from SOC
>
> The State of Texas State Operations Center (SOC) received an updated report 
> #2 of the Brown Ranch Fire in Edwards County. After a fly-over by US Customs 
> & Border Patrol (CBP) helicopter is was determined the wildfire has burnt 
> approximately 2,200 acres. Incident Command Post has been set up at the 
> junction of Farm-to-Market (FM) Road 674 and US Highway 377.  The Middle Rio 
> Grande Development Council (MRGDC) Command Trailer was set up.  The Texas 
> Department of Transportation (TxDOT) is providing fuel to Texas Forest 
> Service and Edwards County vehicles. Department of Public Safety (DPS) Texas 
> Highway Patrol (THP) is assisting with traffic control. The American Red 
> Cross (ARC) Kerrville is providing canteen services. (DC 24– Del Rio)  DDC 24
> 
> Yours Truly,
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Re: [Texascavers] [SWR] If you're going to GUMO in the near future...

[Jacqueline Thomas via Texascavers]

That's just flat-out hilarious, Logan!


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On Jul 14, 2015, at 3:04 PM, Logan McNatt via Texascavers wrote:

> Scary squirrels for sure.  But in much of Texas a new problem has 
> arisen--possibly because of the long drought and major floods:  flesh-eating 
> flamingos.  At least they're keeping the t-rex population under control.  
> (see attached)
> 
> Lowgun
> 
> On 7/13/2015 4:20 PM, Louise Power wrote:
>> ...beware of the squirrels.
>> 
>> http://www.msn.com/en-us/video/animals/squirrel-captured-eating-a-snake-in-amazing-photo/vi-AAcUVfM
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Re: [Texascavers] TSA magazine

[Jacqueline Thomas via Texascavers]

All,
On the webpage with links to the Texas Caver, the 3rd link down is to the .pdf 
version. It's a low resolution version, but it is the garden variety .pdf that 
most of us can access. Jacqui


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On May 2, 2015, at 3:37 PM, via Texascavers wrote:

> While I support new technologies as they become appropriate to the members of 
> TSA, I think we need to also supply the older PDF format of the Texas Caver 
> for some time to come. The ePub format, for those not familiar with it, is an 
> open E-book format made for readers. It is portable to many hardware readers, 
> though not to Kindles apparently.
> 
> Jerry.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Apr 26, 2015, at 8:23 PM, Jill Orr via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
>> The current issue of the TSA magazine is available online. Issues were 
>> passed out at the TSA convention this past weekend and those not attending 
>> will be mailed or passed out at your grotto meeting if you regularly attend.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> jill orr
>> 
>> graphic design
>> 
>> 210.931-4633
>> 
>> jillorr.businesscatalyst.com
>> 
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Re: [Texascavers] TSA Spring Conv., Salon Winners

[Jacqueline Thomas via Texascavers]

Congratulations, all! Wish I coulda seen everything.  Jacqui



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On Apr 27, 2015, at 8:39 AM, Ellie Watson via Texascavers wrote:

> Congratulations to the following winners of the 2015 TSA Spring Convention 
> Photo Salon. We had several submissions this year, 19 photo prints, 12 
> digital photos and 9 maps. Thank you to everyone for their participation.
> 
> Photo, Print
>   • Galen Falgout
>   • Jake Kirk
>   • Mike Harris
> Photo, Digital 
>   • Bennett Lee
>   • Travis Scott
>   • Travis Scott
> Cartography, Less than 100 meters
>   • Marvin Miller, Lost Pothole
>   • Marvin Miller, Turquoise Sink 
>   • Ben Hutchins, Falling Animal
> Cartography, More than 100 meters
>   • Peter Sprouse & Gill Ediger, Jaguar Maw
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Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver

[Jacqueline Thomas via Texascavers]

Thanks, All!!!


Jacqui Thomas
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On Jan 20, 2015, at 4:45 PM, Jill Orr via Texascavers wrote:

> The On-line and E-pub versions of the Texas Caver are up!
>  
> 
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Re: [Texascavers] SCCI purchases Stephen's Gap

[Jacqueline Thomas via Texascavers]

That is great news, Bill! Thanks for passing it along. Jacq.


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On Dec 21, 2014, at 11:14 PM, Bill Steele via Texascavers wrote:

> Bunches of Texas cavers have done Alabama's Stephen's Gap. 
> 
> Bill Steele
> cwilliamste...@gmail.com
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: HiddenWorld.Net 
>> Date: December 21, 2014 at 9:07:00 PM PST
>> To: speleoste...@aol.com
>> Subject: Tag-Net Digest #6910 
>> Reply-To: tag-...@hiddenworld.net 
>> 
>> 
>> Tag-Net - The Southeastern Underground...Online!
>> Digest #6910, Mon, 12/22/14, 00:00 EST
>> 
>> CONTENTS:
>> 
>> 
>> 1)  SCCi buys Stephens Gap!
>>By: Ron Miller
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> __
>> 
>> 
>> 1)  SCCi buys Stephens Gap!
>>  By: Ron Miller  (Rome, Georgia)
>>  rmil...@ronmiller.net
>> 
>> 
>> For those of you who have not already heard through other channels . . .
>> 
>> The Board of Directors of the Southeastern Cave Conservancy is extremely
>> pleased to announce our latest acquisition, the Stephens Gap Callahan Cave
>> Preserve!
>> 
>> On December 12, 2014, SCCi purchased 77.8 acres of karst hillside property
>> that contains the entire extent of Stephens Gap Cave as well as four other
>> known caves, including Pipeside Pit. The preserve is located in Jackson
>> County, Alabama, about six miles west of the city of Scottsboro.
>> 
>> The total cost for acquisition and long-term stewardship of the property is
>> approximately $150,000.
>> 
>> Stephens Gap Cave is a crown jewel among the thousands of known caves in the
>> TAG region. The cave has seven entrances and nearly one half-mile of known
>> passage. Its spectacular entrance area, including a 143-foot deep open-air 
>> pit
>> entrance and a separate large walk-down slope entrance, is perhaps the most
>> photogenic cave entrance in the entire United States. Stephens Gap Cave has
>> been featured in National Geographic magazine and has even been the site of
>> many weddings! The main pit contains two waterfalls that cascade down the pit
>> and an elevated area known as the Pedestal. Under the right conditions, 
>> shafts
>> of sunlight extend over 100 feet below the surface and illuminate the
>> waterfalls and the Pedestal, making for a stunning scene that presents
>> remarkable photographic opportunities.
>> 
>> Stephens Gap Cave is widely enjoyed by cavers, hikers, and outdoor 
>> enthusiasts
>> because the cave (including the Pedestal) is accessible both by cavers
>> who use vertical rope techniques as well as by visitors who walk down the
>> large, naturally lit slope entrance.
>> 
>> It is through the support of our loyal donors and members that the SCCi was
>> able to purchase this cave to be preserved and protected as well as kept
>> accessible for all to enjoy.
>> 
>> But we still need your help to pay for the SCCi's latest, and likely most
>> popular, acquisition. You can contribute in many ways!
>> 
>> Buy A Piece of Stephens Gap Cave in our online eStore
>> [https://app.etapestry.com/cart/SoutheasternCaveConservancyIn/default/index.php].
>> Many named features, including the pedestal, entrances, and waterfalls, as
>> well as one-foot slices of both main entrances, are already available, with
>> more to be added soon! Once purchased, your name will be added to the 
>> official
>> SCCi cave map. Many donors have already staked their claim, so if you have a
>> certain piece in mind don't delay!
>> 
>> Make a one-time donation in support of the Stephens Gap Callahan Cave 
>> Preserve
>> [https://app.etapestry.com/cart/SoutheasternCaveConservancyIn/default/index.php].
>> In our eStore, you may also make a one-time donation in support of our most
>> recent acquisition. 
>> 
>> Become an SCCi member[http://www.scci.org/join2/]. 
>> Show that you care about protecting caves for as little as $25 a year by
>> becoming a member of the SCCi.
>> 
>> Become a sustaining member or increase your sustaining
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>> Sustaining members are truly the lifeblood of the SCCi; the regular monthly
>> income that we obtain from sustaining-member donations is critical to the
>> SCCi's ability to plan for the future. As a sustaining member, your credit
>> card will be automatically charged monthly. You can become a sustainer for as
>> little as $10 per month.
>> 
>> Join the Valhalla Society
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>> This special group includes the dedicated SCCi members who have chosen to
>> remember the SCCi through planned giving. For more information email
>> leg...@scci.org or consult a financial planning professional.
>> 
>> ~~
>> 
>> Visit us online at www.scci.org.
>> Support the SCCi at www.scci.org/support.
>> Follow us on Facebook at 
>> https://www.facebook.com/SoutheasternCaveConservancy. 
>> 
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[Texascavers] Fwd: [NSSwest] Bat Animation Informational Video

[Jacqueline Thomas via Texascavers]

This has showed up on a couple of remailers and it's definitely worth watching. 
Jacqui

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> From NSS West
> 
> Amy Wray (M.A., Columbia Univ), put together this excellent informational 
> video/cartoon about bats, disease, and their ecosystem services. I’m very 
> impressed by this, when you have 5 min please check it out and feel free to 
> distribute widely! She touches on a lot of important issues in a very 
> accessible way, including White Nose Syndrome!
> 
> I'm Batman - Amy Wray
>
> I'm Batman - Amy Wray
> What flies through the night, silently guarding and protecting our world from 
> evil? Batman? Try...a bat. Like Batman, bats are widely misunderstood and 
> vi...
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Re: [Texascavers] tcr video by Dorothy Mladenka

[Jacqueline Thomas via Texascavers]

Thanks, Logan! And Dorothy.
That was so much like the 8mms of my childhood--all it was missing was the 
obnoxious light bar. Jacqui


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> Dorothy Mladenka provided this link to a video she took at TCR with her 
> amazingly tiny video camera (see at end of video).
> The video is 6:37 long with no sound, but lots of good people shots.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3pgt9PdqoU
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Here's the link to her 2011 TCR video.
> 
> 
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=At_gW4Y0RmA
> 
> 
> 
> Her email is dmlade...@juno.com
> 
> 
> Logan McNatt
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> lmcn...@austin.rr.com
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Re: [Texascavers] Mysterious water well unearthed in Erath County

[Jacqueline Thomas via Texascavers]

Very interesting story--I hope they can find out more and that we hear about 
it. Jacqui


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On Sep 27, 2014, at 9:39 PM, Logan McNatt via Texascavers wrote:

> 
>  Not sure if this qualifies as another spring for the TSS Database, but it's 
> an interesting story. Posted on the Texas Archeological Society list 
> yesterday.
> 
> The geomorphologist, Dr. Charles Frederick, is a very well-respected 
> scientist who has worked on many archeological projects in Texas for decades. 
> I've worked with him on several.
> 
> Logan McNatt
> lmcn...@austin.rr.com
> 
>  Original Message 
> Subject:  Mysterious water well unearthed in Erath County
> Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 09:39:49 -0500
> From: Chris Barry 
> To:   txarc...@listserv.tamu.edu
> 
> http://www.star-telegram.com/2014/09/25/6149907/mysterious-water-well-unearthed.html?rh=1
> 
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Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: EARTH: Valley Fever an Occupational Hazard forGeoscientists

[Jacqueline Thomas via Texascavers]

Logan you make me laugh. Really, really laugh. Jacq.

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On Sep 14, 2014, at 6:35 PM, Ron Ralph via Texascavers wrote:

> I have had it along with most California archeologists.  it almost killed 
> McEachern.
>  
> Ron
>  
> From: Julia Germany via Texascavers
> Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2014 2:37 PM
> To: texascavers@texascavers.com
> Subject: [Texascavers] Fwd: EARTH: Valley Fever an Occupational Hazard 
> forGeoscientists
>  
> As a member of AGI, I received this press release.  Until now, I have never 
> heard of Valley Fever.  I am curious if any of you out there have any 
> experience/knowledge about it.
> 
> julia
>  
> germa...@aol.com 
>  
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: AGI Public Relations 
> To: germanyj 
> Sent: Wed, Sep 10, 2014 2:15 pm
> Subject: EARTH: Valley Fever an Occupational Hazard for Geoscientists
> 
> Contact: Megan Sever (mse...@earthmagazine.org
> )
> 
> For Immediate Release
> 
> EARTH: Valley Fever an Occupational Hazard for Geoscientists
> 
> Alexandria, Va. -  Valley Fever - a sometimes-fatal infection with no known 
> cure
> and no vaccine - is caused by a soilborne fungus that thrives in the hot, dry
> soils of the southwestern U.S., Mexico and Central and South America. However,
> recent reports of infections far outside the endemic area indicate the fungus 
> is
> either spreading or becoming active in new areas. The disease is contracted
> through inhalation of fungal spores, which can be aerosolized by soil
> disturbances from construction, excavation, gardening and landscaping, as well
> as natural events like dust storms, earthquakes, landslides and wildfires.
> Geoscientists working in the field need to take precautions against 
> contracting
> the disease.
> 
> Scientists say that little is currently known about the fungus' preferred
> geology and how a changing climate might be affecting its spread. Read more
> about where the disease has been found, current research on the disease and 
> how
> to protect yourself in the field in the September issue of EARTH Magazine:
> 
> http://bit.ly/1l1mi21
> . 
> 
> For more stories about the science of our planet, check out EARTH magazine
> online or subscribe at 
> www.earthmagazine.org
> . The September issue, now available
> on the digital newsstand, features stories about floating nuclear plants
> potentially being safer from tsunamis than land-based plants, natural arsenic
> levels exceeding regulatory standards in Ohio, and the new literary genre of
> "Cli-Fi," stories about the future of humanity living under an altered 
> climate,
> plus much, much more. 
> 
>  ###
> 
> Keep up to date with the latest happenings in Earth, energy and environment 
> news
> with EARTH magazine online at 
> http://www.earthmagazine.org/
> . Published by the
> American Geosciences Institute, EARTH is your source for the science behind 
> the
> headlines.
> 
> ###
> 
> The American Geosciences Institute is a nonprofit federation of 49 
> geoscientific
> and professional associations that represents more than 250,000 geologists,
> geophysicists and other earth scientists. Founded in 1948, AGI provides
> information services to geoscientists, serves as a voice of shared interests 
> in
> the profession, plays a major role in strengthening geoscience education, and
> strives to increase public awareness of the vital role the geosciences play in
> society's use of resources, resiliency to natural hazards, and interaction 
> with
> the environment.
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Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration Prices

[Jacqueline Thomas via Texascavers]

Wouldn't old-timer-ness be more of a function of how long someone's been caving 
than of age? 

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On Sep 12, 2014, at 11:53 AM, Stefan Creaser via Texascavers wrote:

> That means you’re old enough to know better than to attend, Bill  ;-)
>  
> -Stefan
>  
> stefan.crea...@arm.com
>  
>  
> From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
> Bill Bentley via Texascavers
> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2014 11:50 AM
> To: texascavers@texascavers.com
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR Registration Prices
>  
> What constitutes an Old Timer qualification?
> 
> 
> On 9/12/2014 11:29 AM, Ellie Watson via Texascavers wrote:
> TCR Registration Prices:
>  
> Adult - $25.00
> Child - $15.00
> Family - $80.00
> Old timer - $15.00
>  
> Registration gets you a wristband, meal, beverages and a chance at door 
> prizes.
>  
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Re: [Texascavers] Moonshadow

[Jacqueline Thomas via Texascavers]

If texascavers had I "like" button I'd hit it. Jacq.

Jacqui Thomas
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On Aug 25, 2014, at 10:43 AM, Julie Jenkins via Texascavers wrote:

> 
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> 
> I think u can just select this and it will play. Hens 1st music recording!
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Re: [Texascavers] Party for Chris Lafferty at the Schindel's Saturday at 5 pm.

[Jacqueline Thomas via Texascavers]

'Bye, Chris,
Have a fantastic party and come back to us! Jacq.


Jacqui Thomas
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On Aug 23, 2014, at 11:22 AM, Geary Schindel via Texascavers wrote:

> Folks,
> 
> I just wanted to send out a STRONG reminder about the Bexar Grotto Party for 
> Chris Lafferty. Chris is a chemical engineer and will be on a temporary 
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[Texascavers] contact info.

[Jacqueline Thomas via Texascavers]

Crash,
Allan Cobb tells me you are now "it." Please contact me off-list--I only have 
your batcon email address. Jacqui

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Re: [Texascavers] Texas Caver

[Jacqueline Thomas via Texascavers]

No, No, Nooo! Save them for the Caver, Mr. Loving, sir, please

Here's an idea--
I saw multiple people do interesting things at NSS Convention and maybe no one 
wants to write a "real trip report" but multiple brief vignettes by several 
attendees, collected into a "glimpses of Convention" article could be pretty 
entertaining. I'd write up my favorite "fooled me" moment. 

Any takers?

Jacqui

On Jul 30, 2014, at 4:20 PM, Charles Loving via Texascavers wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Jul 30, 2014 at 3:04 PM, Heather Tucek via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> As per request from a caver unnamed, I'm posting this here too. You know, 
> just in case I haven't already royally pissed you off yet. But you know what? 
> Worth it.
> 
> 
> 
> The Texas Caver has just been sent off to the printer. This is the May issue 
> of the Texas Caver. Why is it almost August and the May issue is only finally 
> being printed? Why, it's because no Texas Cavers actually  send in trip 
> reports to be published! We can't make a newsletter/magazine if there's 
> nothing to put in it.
> 
> I know LOTS of you have gone on a number of Texas caving trips in the past 
> couple of months. I know LOTS of you went on plenty of AMAZING TAG trips this 
> month. Why is no one sending in articles? Jill spends an exorbitant amount of 
> her personal volunteer time making the layout, editing, adding photos, etc. 
> All the things needed to make the Texas Caver a great publication. We won one 
> award at the Publication Salon at the NSS Convention. ONE. How many did other 
> organizations win? You know why? Because they actually have stuff to 
> publish
> 
> There's an article about Texas Caving in the most recent NSS News. Why? Why 
> isn't that article in the Texas Caver? Just because it goes in the national 
> magazine doesn't mean it can't also go in the local magazine. If you're going 
> to put one together for NSS, go ahead and copy Jill on your email! (I've seen 
> this a number of times, not just this month).
> 
> Bottom line is, if you want to see your Texas Caver magazine in the mail 
> anymore, you need to man up, be a part of the answer instead of the problem, 
> and start sending in your trip reports and photos. If you don't want to 
> publish something because you think you can't write, have someone copyedit it 
> for you first. I'll be happy to go through and fix spelling and grammatical 
> errors, as long as you SEND SOMETHING IN!!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> TL;DR
> Start sending articles and photos to the Texas Caver or I will camp on your 
> front doorstep until you write something down. I know who you are.
> 
> /end rant
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
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> -Heather Tuček
> UT Grotto, DFW Grotto
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Re: [Texascavers] Positive Cave Story on the News

[Jacqueline Thomas]

Very well done news segment. Will you let us know what is decided about the 
development? Jacqui

On Jun 25, 2014, at 7:17 PM, Justin Leigh Shaw wrote:

> Watch the Video, the text is truncated.
> The first 8 seconds might well be the most positive cave spiel I've ever 
> heard a TV news reporter give.
> 
> Battle to protect cave heads to City Council
> http://wp.me/p4ySvf-9AG
> 
> I think KXAN deserves some props for this piece. 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Justin Leigh Shaw
> 
> jus...@oztotl.net
> 
> 512-797-4734
> 
> Box 40056
> Austin, TX
> 78704
> 
> 
> "we need to start using our collective intelligence in a creative, clear and 
> coherent manor" 
>   - John Trudell

Re: [SWR] Tom Meador collection at UT Austin :

[Jacqueline Thomas]

Wow, Jerry, what a lot of material you have gone through! 

It sounds like you have already figured out what SWR would like in a collection 
and I trust your judgement on such things. I vote for working out a way for us 
to fund the copying. 

Since I have been unable to attend the last few Regionals and I have probably 
missed something in the reports/minutes, but I do not recall any listserve 
discussion on a safe place to keep a Tom Meador collection if we make one.

Where will all of this duplicated material end up? Jacqui

 
On May 30, 2014, at 1:41 AM, Jerry wrote:

>As some will recall, there was a discussion on the SWR listserve last 
> October regarding the contents of the Tom Meador collection of cave files 
> that are archived at the Dolph Briscoe Center for American History at the 
> University of Texas in A
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Re: [Texascavers] 20 years ago - just reminiscing

[Jacqueline Thomas]

I didn't start caving until 1999 & wasn't in Texas; I really appreciate the 
picture you've created. Jacqui

On May 24, 2014, at 6:57 AM, Andy Gluesenkamp wrote:

> Like
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 24, 2014, at 2:05 AM, David  wrote:
>> 
>> Quite a few of you remember what was going on at this time on
>> the Texas caving scene in May of 1994.I was just an observer,
>> although I did go on one or 2 road-trips to Bracketville, from Houston.
>> 
>> 2 cavers were very hard at work finishing up one of the best books about
>> Texas caves, and lots of cavers were assisting them.
>> 
>> Another caver was planning an incredible show recreating the battle
>> of the Alamo.
>> 
>> Swamp coolers were being installed by volunteer cavers that had travelled
>> from all over the state to one of the non-air-conditioned buildings at
>> Fort Clark
>> and caver-electricians were having to gerry-rig the whole set up.
>> 
>> Cavers were visiting caves in and around Bracketville to plan for convention
>> trips.
>> 
>> The 1994 NSS Convention, was a major event in my life.   It was my
>> first introduction
>> to the NSS. Prior to that, I was
>> personally spending most of my spare time south of the border.And
>> after that,
>> I made an effort to attend future conventions, and thus had less
>> resources available
>> to go on trips south of the border.
>> 
>> 
>> On a related note,
>> 
>> "It was not just a different time.  It was a different world."
>> 
>> All of that hard work was done without Cavetex, texting, and
>> smartphones, and Facebook, etc. Any cavers that had a computer were
>> using Windows 3.1 and saving their work to a floppy disk, and not on a
>> laptop.  I bet typewriters were still being used by some.   Gas only
>> cost about $ 1.10.   On the world newsfront, Monica Lewinsky had not
>> yet met Bill Clinton, and the world ( not me ) was still anxiously
>> awaiting news updates over the Clinton scandals of Whitewater and
>> Paula Jones.Most of us were spending less than 10 minutes a day on
>> the internet, if any at all.Most cavers still had
>> cassette-tape-decks in their cars.  Quite a few of our caving friends
>> at the 1994 convention are no longer with us.   I am certain none of
>> us could have predicted the tragedies that happened just a few years
>> after the convention.Here is a toast to them.
>> 
>> http://www.cavetexas.org/rmiller/
>> 
>> http://www.edwardsaquifer.net/images/las_moras_springs_pool.jpg
>> 
>> 
>> David Locklear
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[PBSS] Fwd: [SWR] Fwd: Recruitment help - Term GS-7 Cave Management Specialist

[Jacqueline Thomas]

From the SWR mailing list:

> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: "Hays, David" 
>> Date: May 13, 2014 at 9:47:12 AM MDT
>> To: undisclosed-recipients:;
>> Subject: Recruitment help - Term GS-7 Cave Management Specialist
>> 
>> 
>> Cave & Geology Folks,
>> 
>> Will you share this job announcement far-and-wide? I want an awesome caver 
>> to come work for me at El Malpais. We are recruiting a Term GS-7 Physical 
>> Science Tech to be our Cave Management Specialist.
>> 
>> Details:
>> 
>> https://www.usajobs.gov/GetJob/ViewDetails/369618000
>> 
>> PLEASE SHARE this with anyone looking to further their career in cave 
>> management with the National Park Service. Potential applicants are welcome 
>> to contact me at david_h...@nps.gov with questions.
>> 
>> Closes on Friday, May 23rd.
>> 
>> ​Dave​
>> 
>> 
>> David L. Hays
>> Natural Resources Branch Chief   |  El Malpais & El Morro Nat. Mon.  |  123 
>> E. Roosevelt Ave, Grants, New Mexico 87020   |505-285-4641 x26 office   
>> |  541-760-0791 cell   |   505-285-5661 fax
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Re: [Texascavers] Bad fire season a-comin'

[Jacqueline Thomas]

Very good advice for anyone living in an urban/wild land interface. That said, 
last time I was at Punkin/Deep the building was in excellent shape regarding 
wildfire preparedness. 

We have already had a 14,000+ acre wildfire out this way. Which brings me to 
another concern: Don't burn stuff outside. Anything. The aforementioned fire 
was started by someone burning trash.

Keep cool and be safe,
Jacqui


On May 5, 2014, at 1:43 PM, Louise Power wrote:

> According to all indications, this may be one of the worst wildfire seasons 
> on record because of the continuing drought and hot weather. I

Re: [PBSS] [SWR] February Meeting of the PBSS

[Jacqueline Thomas]

Then you won't see me. Jacqui

On Feb 19, 2014, at 9:43 AM, Bill Bentley wrote:

> I won't be there.
> Bill
> 
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID (junky technology)
> 
> 
> "Ormsby, Matthew A"  wrote:
> 
> All,
> The next meeting of the Permian Basin Speleological Society is Thursday 
> February 20, 2014 at 7:00 p.m. We are still at Murray's Delicatessen in 
> Midland, Texas. Murray's is located at 3211 West Wadley in Midland. We meet 
> in the back room. Come early & have dinner--we have the room starting at 6:00.
> 
> There are a few caving opportunities coming up in March that will be 
> highlighted, one vertical and one horizontal.
>  
> Any and all are welcome! For further information about the Permian Basin 
> Speleological Society contact: Matthew Ormsby ma_orm...@msn.com, Jacqui 
> Thomas jlrtho...@verizon.net , Bill Bentley ca...@caver.net
>  
> PBSS web page:
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> January 18, 1984. The Permian Basin Speleological Society is an affiliated 
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Re: [Texascavers] Winter TSA Business Meeting minutes

[Jacqueline Thomas]

I just finished reading the minutes from the Winter Meeting. Very well done, 
Heather, and to all attendees: You covered a lot of ground in a short time!

Jacqui


On Jan 16, 2014, at 8:45 AM, Heather Tucek wrote:

> The minutes from the winter Business Meeting for the Texas Speleological 
> Association from last Sunday are now available to be viewed online!
> 
> http://www.cavetexas.org/PDF/TSA/Minutes-2014-01-12_Winter_TSA_Business_Meeting.pdf
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
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> -Heather Tuček
> UT Grotto, DFW Grotto
> TSA Secretary & Membership Chair
> NSS 59660
> (512) 773-1348
> trog...@cavechat.org

Re: [PBSS] December Meeting of the PBSS

[Jacqueline Thomas]

Don't we need new officers? she says hopefully. Jacqui


On Dec 16, 2013, at 10:46 AM, Ormsby, Matthew A wrote:

> All,
> The next meeting of the Permian Basin Speleological Society is Thursday 
> December 20th, 2013 at 7:00 p.m. We are still at Murray's Delicatessen in 
> Midland, Texas. Murray's is located at 3211 West Wadley in Midland. We meet 
> in the back room. Come early & have dinner--we have the room starting at 6:00.
> 
> We'll highlight the 22nd-23rd trip to the TCMA Preserve. Hopefully we'll also 
> plan some trips for 2014.
>  
> Any and all are welcome! For further information about the Permian Basin 
> Speleological Society contact: Matthew Ormsby ma_orm...@msn.com, Jacqui 
> Thomas jlrtho...@verizon.net , Bill Bentley ca...@caver.net, or Patrick Ray 
> patrickray...@yahoo.com
> 
> PBSS web page:
> http://www.caver.net/pbss/pbss.html
> The Permian Basin Speleological Society was founded in October 1983 and was 
> chartered as the 300th grotto of the National Speleological Society on 
> January 18, 1984. The Permian Basin Speleological Society is an affiliated 
> grotto or Caving club with the Texas Speleological Association and the 
> Southwestern Region of the National Speleological Society and supports the 
> cave conservation ethics of the National Speleological Society.
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[Texascavers] Link to NSS Bookstore Holiday Greetings

[Jacqueline Thomas]

All,
The flyer from the NSS Bookstore is now on the TSA Homepage: 

http://www.cavetexas.org/ Click on the thumbnail for a larger image. Below the 
thumbnail is a link to the NSS Bookstore.

Butch Fralia very kindly set this up so I wouldn't have to send it out on the 
remailer. Thanks, Butch! Jacqui

 

[Texascavers] NSS Flyer

[Jacqueline Thomas]

All,
I've received a flyer from the NSS Bookstore. I know some of us do not have 
newsletters and I think it missed any pre-Christmas Caver so I would like to 
post it to this list. 

I do not want to post it on the list without checking with everybody because it 
will likely come through as an attachment of 323 KB.

Will that severely upset anyone for any reason? Jacqui
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[SWR] Fwd: **URL Corrected** NSS-CDS Cave Diver Training: A Brief Overview, by Jim Wyatt (NSS#56713)

[Jacqueline Thomas]

All,
Geary Schindel asked me to forward this information to the SWR.

Please note that, even if you have already received this webinar notice on 
another list, this one is the most recent, with the corrected url. Jacqui

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "National Speleological Society Inc." 
> 
> Subject: **URL Corrected** NSS-CDS Cave Diver Training: A Brief Overview, by 
> Jim Wyatt (NSS#56713)
> Date: November 7, 2013 10:15:00 AM CST
> To: jlrtho...@verizon.net
> Reply-To: "National Speleological Society Inc." 
> 
> 
>   
> Click to view this email in a browser
> 
>   
>   
> 
> 
> “National Speleological Society – Cave Diving Section Cave Diver Training: 
> A Brief Overview,” 
> by Jim Wyatt (NSS # 56713)
>  
> Join us for a Webinar on November 14, 2013
> 9:00 – 10:30 p.m. EST.
>  
>  
> Space is limited, so reserve your Webinar seat now at:
> https://www4.gotomeeting.com/register/271455071
>  
>  
> Connect with Jim Wyatt, Training Director for the National Speleological 
> Society – Cave Diving Section (NSS-CDS), for a concise overview of what 
> cavern and cave diver training entails. 
>  
> What first steps should one take in order to become a competent cave diver?  
> What is the required equipment, and what indispensable skills are taught in 
> this training?  
> What are the psychological implications of training and practicing in this 
> field?  
> How do divers promote cave conservation, and what role do landowner relations 
> play in carrying out these explorations successfully?   
> How are task loading and muscle memory involved?
>  
> All of these questions and more will be addressed in this comprehensive 
> Webinar regarding the essential nature of comprehensive training in cavern 
> and cave diving.
>  
>  Jim has been a cave diving instructor since 1975, and he is formerly a U.S. 
> Navy Ship Salvage Diving Officer.  He is a former member of the National 
> Association for Cave Diving (NACD), and currently serves on the Board of 
> Advisors for the International Association of Nitrox and Technical Divers 
> (IANTD) and instructs both closed and open circuit cave diver classes.  Not 
> only is Jim the Training Director, but he is also a Full Cave Instructor for 
> the NSS-CDS.  He is an instructor for the NACD, and a Technical Cave and 
> Driver Propulsion Vehicle (DPV) Instructor Trainer for the IANTD.   He is a 
> Cave DPV Instructor for the NSS-CDS, IANTD, and Technical Diving 
> International (TDI) - the list goes on and on!
>  
>  
> TITLE: “National Speleological Society – Cave Diving Section Cave Diver 
> Training: A Brief Overview,” by Jim Wyatt
>  
> DATE: Thursday, November 14, 2013
>  
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Re: [PBSS] [SWR] PBSS member Kayde Hill wins "Chuck Stuehm Award" at the Texas Cavers Reunion

[Jacqueline Thomas]

Congratulations, Kayde!!! Jacqui



On Oct 22, 2013, at 7:52 PM, Bill Bentley wrote:

> October 19,2013
> Permian Basin Speleological Society member Kayde Hill wins Chuck Stuehm Award 
> at the Texas Cavers Reunion...
> 
> The Chuck Stuehm Award
> —An Annual Grotto Award for Exceptional New Cavers
>  
> Have you ever heard of the Chuck Stuehm Award? It is an award for new and 
> exceptional cavers, and can be
> awarded to one new caver in each grotto in Texas. The award is named after 
> Raymond Chuck Stuehm
> (pronounced “ Steam”) who was a member of several Grottos in the San Antonio 
> area and was especially
> good at guiding, working with, and encouraging new cavers. Chuck's memory is 
> honored every time a new,
> exceptionally exuberant caver receives this award. Every grotto has the 
> opportunity to encourage new
> cavers by selecting a new caver for this award every year.
> Chuck Stuehm died an untimely death on January 31, 1980 at the age of 52. A 
> memorial issue of the Texas
> Caver was a memorial issue for Chuck, outlining many of his accomplishments 
> in caving. At the same time
> the Chuck Stuehm Award was established for to be given to an outstanding new 
> caver in each grotto each year at
> Texas Cavers’ Reunion (TCR), which was then called the Old Timers’ Reunion.
> The Chuck Stuehm Award Requirements:
> The only requirement for the award is that the caver has been caving two 
> years or less and shows an unusual
> enthusiasm and interest in caving, and all aspects of caving. Selection of 
> the recipient is by the grotto in whatever
> way they choose. Often the officers will choose the recipient after 
> consulting some of the more active members
> of the grotto, keeping the award a surprise until TCR. Often the grotto will 
> also honor the recipient at
> the next grotto meeting after TCR.
>  
> The Chuck Stuehm Award Prize: The prize is one year's membership to the TSA 
> (Texas Speleological Association)
> and a shiny certificate suitable for framing. If the winner is already a TSA 
> member they will receive one year's
> extension of membership. The Chuck Stuehm Award winners were announced at TCR 
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Re: [Texascavers] Ladder-falling 101

[Jacqueline Thomas]

"Hold my beer and watch this…" 
Jacq.

On Oct 10, 2013, at 9:03 PM, Sheryl Rieck wrote:

> Glad there was no serious damage. 
> 
> Sheryl
> 
> Sent from my iPhone. 
> 
> On Oct 10, 2013, at 8:36 PM, David  wrote:
> 
>> I don't know if it was jealousy or envy, but I felt the urge to join my 
>> ladder falling friends tonight.
>> 
>> As hard as I tried, I could not get hospitalized.
>> 
>> I did in style though, and would have scored a ten, had the judges been 
>> there.
>> 
>> It is probably my imagination, but in that micro-second that I was airborne, 
>> my brain had time to say to itself, "you got to be frickin kidding me."
>> 
>> The moral to the story is, 
>> There is really a reason not to stand on that top step.
>> 
>> And,
>> 
>> for once I can say, "my fat posterior came in handy," as it took the brunt 
>> of the fall.
>> 
>> David Locklear
>> 

Re: [Texascavers] Lascaux Cave exhibit

[Jacqueline Thomas]

Aimee et. al,
If this is the same Lascaux exhibit I wandered through in Chicago's Field 
Museum in June (and in spite of the advertising differences I think it is) do 
not miss it!  I was captivated (and I was with my family). Jacqui


On Oct 7, 2013, at 12:54 PM, Aimee Beveridge wrote:

> 
> 
> Lascaux Cave painting exhibit is coming to Houston
> http://www.hmns.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=651&Itemid=683

Re: [Texascavers] Recent accidents

[Jacqueline Thomas]

40 is just a sprout, Bill, but now that you're an old fart, don't get any 
ideas. We likes ya fine as is. Jacqui


On Sep 30, 2013, at 1:50 PM, Bill Bentley wrote:

> June 2000, I fractured my right leg just above the ankleaka broken.
> At least I did it on the way to a cave,(Lech)
> Oh and I was 40 at the time
> 
> Bill
> 
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
> 
> 
> Logan McNatt  wrote:
> 
> The analysts intentionally did not reveal sensitive personal information.
> 
> On 9/30/2013 1:38 PM, James Jasek wrote:
> > Also, AGE
> >
> > Jim
> > On Sep 30, 2013, at 1:28 PM, Logan McNatt  wrote:
> >
> >> A thorough analysis reveals that all of these recent accidents had one 
> >> thing in common:  gender.
> >>
> >> Alex Sproul, Sept 2013:  falls off ladder
> >>
> >> Gill Ediger, Aug 2013:  falls into pit
> >>
> >> Dwight Deal, June 2013:  falls off ladder
> >>
> >> Pete Strickland, Sept 2012:  falls in bathroom
> >>
> >>
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[PBSS] Fwd: [SWR] Fwd: Guadalupe Mountains National Park News Release - Storm Closure Update

[Jacqueline Thomas]

FYI Begin forwarded message:From: Carol Belski Subject: [SWR] Fwd: Guadalupe Mountains National Park News Release - Storm Closure UpdateDate: September 16, 2013 7:53:27 AM CDTTo: NM Caver List Begin forwarded message:From: "Pierce, Karl" Subject: Guadalupe Mountains National Park News Release - Storm Closure UpdateDate: September 13, 2013 4:48:57 PM MDTTo: undisclosed-recipients:;Bcc: National Park Service                    Guadalupe Mountains               400 Pine Canyon DriveU.S. Department of the Interior       National Park                           Salt Flat, TX 79847
                                                                                                  915-828-3251 phone                                                                                                  915-828-3269 fax
Guadalupe Mountains News ReleaseRelease date:    ImmediateContact(s):        Karl M. Pierce
Phone number:  432-940-2440Email:               karl_pie...@nps.govDate:                September 13, 2013
Release code:   13-08Guadalupe Mountains National Park Storm Closure Update(Pine Springs, TX) Park Superintendent Dennis A. Vásquez announced that although most of the park areas closed by the recent storm will remain closed, the park is beginning to open some areas, as park staff is able to assess damage and begin effecting repairs from heavy rains and flooding.
The Pine Springs Visitor Center remains open to provide information and assist visitors and motorists, and the Pine Springs Campground and the Pinery have reopened. Frijole Ranch Road is open as far as the corral, and visitors may hike from there to Smith Spring, from the west side only, and to Manzanita Spring. The Smith Spring Trail remains closed between Smith Spring and Manzanita Spring. The Guadalupe Peak Trail, the Horse Trail from Guadalupe Peak, the Pinery Trail and the first mile, only, of the Devil’s Hall Trail have reopened, as well. The Guadalupe Peak Backcountry Campground is also open. However, most trails still have loose rocks and uneven ground, and many require shallow water crossings, and hikers and backpackers should exercise
extreme caution. The park hopes to open the Frijole Ranch Cultural History Museum tomorrow morning.McKittrick Canyon, Williams Ranch, the Salt Basin Dunes, Dog Canyon and all other  ackcountry areas, unpaved roads and trails will remain closed, at least through the weekend, as water levels continue to recede and the park begins to dry out.
“This was a very unusual event. Even people who have been here a long time cannot remember a rain event like this. The ground is still saturated in many areas, and creeks, arroyos, springs and seeps are still running, even though the water has receded. Williams Ranch Road and several trails have washed out areas, which will take time to repair. We are continuing to monitor and assess conditions, and will continue to open the closed areas of the park as soon as it is safe to do so. As always, our primary concern is for the safety of park visitors and staff,and for the protection of park resources,” said Vásquez.
The Texas Department of Transportation reported that FM 1437, FM 2249 and FM1575, in the Dell City area, are now open. However, the New Mexico Department of Transportation is reporting that NM 137 to Dog Canyon will remain closed between mile marker 1 and mile marker 54 until early next week. There will be no access to Dog Canyon until that road re-opens. The National Weather Service reported that the Bowl recorded 12.41 inches of rain during a 24 hour period from September 11-12, while Dog Canyon recorded 9.50 inches, McKittrick Canyon recorded 7.32 inches and the Pinery recorded 5.12 inches. The Texas Tech University West Texas Mesonet (http://www.mesonet.ttu.edu) weather station, located near the park’s fire cache, registered 15.73 inches of rain between September 9 and 14, including 13.50 inches during a 24 hour period on
September 12-13.Park information, including park conditions, closures or restrictions, weather and program information, may be found on the park’s website at www.nps.gov/GUMO/, on the park’s Facebook page at www.facebook.com/Guadalupe.Mountains/, or by contacting the Pine Springs Visitor Center at (915) 828- 3251 x2124. The Pine Springs Visitor Center is open daily (except for Christmas) from 8:00 AM until 4:30 PM. The McKittrick Canyon, Frijole Ranch House, Dog Canyon and Salt Basin Dunes (Dell City, TX) Visitor Contact Stations are open intermittently. Please call the Pine Springs Visitor Center at (915) 828-3251 x2124 to find out whether they are open. For Dog Canyon, call the Dog Canyon Visitor Contact Station/Ranger Station at (575) 981-2418.
For the latest weather information for Guadalupe Mountains National Park, see http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?zoneid=TXZ258 or http://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?zoneid=TXZ421. For the latest road information, cal

Re: [Texascavers] Solo caving is stupid. Plain and simple.

[Jacqueline Thomas]

Diana,
Thanks for that link--what interesting research and conclusion! I was living in 
the Pacific NW at the time of McCandless' demise, and wasn't too long out of 
Alaska, and I remember thinking he was pretty stupid and somewhat arrogant to 
do what he did. I also had good knowledge of wild plants and was perplexed by 
the whole story. 

Very, very interesting. Jacqui

On Sep 13, 2013, at 3:53 PM, Diana Tomchick wrote:

> While we're on the topic of going solo in the wilderness and the relative 
> risks involved, here's an interesting new take on how Christopher McCandless 
> ("Into The Wild") died by Jon Krakeur.
> 
> http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/books/2013/09/how-chris-mccandless-died.html
> 
> I especially enjoyed the reader comments from Alaska natives who are tired of 
> rescuing naive city people who go into the wilderness unprepared.
> 
> Diana
> 
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
> Diana R. Tomchick
> Professor
> University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
> Department of Biophysics
> 5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
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> Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
> 214-645-6383 (phone)
> 214-645-6353 (fax)
> 
> 
> On Sep 13, 2013, at 3:18 PM, Geary Schindel wrote:
> 
>> Diana raises some interesting points about safety. But how do we really 
>> weigh relative risk. Is the chance of breaking a leg while caving any 
>> different soling or with a group of cavers. What caving with a group of 
>> cavers does is cut down on the response time in the event of this sort of 
>> accident – maybe. If the accident is getting lost or trapped by flooding, 
>> the size of the group may not matter thought it may increase the likelihood 
>> that one of you is smart enough to have told someone what you were up to.
>> 
>> First off, you should never go into a cave unless you tell someone 
>> responsible where you are going and when you will be back, and who to call 
>> if you don’t come back. That doesn’t matter whether you’re solo caving or 
>> with a group (assuming you want to be found). (Maybe I’ve been watching too 
>> much Breaking Bad).
>> 
>> There are a number of accidents related to caving involving groups of people 
>> that have been trapped. One of the best that comes to mind is an experienced 
>> caver that had his kids for a week and they took off to West Virginia for 
>> vacation. They went into one of the NSS caves and were off exploring, away 
>> from their packs and they couldn’t get back before their lights went out. 
>> They wouldn’t be missed until the end of the week. I believe that a State 
>> Trooper saw their car parked in front of the cave after 3 or 4 days and 
>> called some cavers to come look in the cave. They were in pretty dire shape 
>> and wouldn’t have lasted much longer.
>> 
>> There was another incident involving a group of deaf students in another 
>> West Virginia cave that couldn’t hear their rescuers yelling for them which 
>> postponed their rescue by many hours.
>> 
>> There are other cases of people solo caving that have done the same thing.  
>> There is a good example from a cave in Arizona where the guy didn’t come 
>> back, he was reported missing, the sheriff went out to the cave, yelled in 
>> and didn’t hear anybody. He didn’t call any cavers to help and the person’s 
>> body was found in the cave many months later.
>> 
>> Another hypothetical example may be when you are caving with a large group 
>> of people, and you get separated from the main group, say because you’re at 
>> the end of a long trip in a long cave (maybe carrying scuba tanks), and you 
>> pass the entrance, and go unnoticed. Not sure whether being solo or having 
>> someone along with you would have made the difference of seeing the shaft, 
>> it may have only been the difference between one and two people shivering in 
>> the dark. This is a problem with poor entrance control. I suspect someone 
>> would have noticed the person missing later on Sunday when their tent and 
>> car stood out as the last people were packing up to leave. This might have 
>> been a BIG issue in a colder cave further north.
>> 
>> There is another good example of this when a caver got separated between 
>> drops and off route when exiting a deep vertical cave in Europe. It was 
>> noticed by entrance control but they didn’t find his body for many many 
>> months.
>> 
>> 
>> So, how is solo caving different from solo trail running, solo hiking, or 
>> solo driving on rural roads.  Reminds me of a college student that was 
>> driving home from Ohio to the DC area one Christmas. He was driving late at 
>> night and never made it home. There was a search conducted but it’s a lot of 
>> area to search for a missing car. About 6 months later, a helicopter 
>> happened to be flying over the triangle formed by the intersection of I-270 
>> and I-495 in the suburbs of Washington DC when a car was noticed in the 
>> thick underbrush. Since the triangle was bo

Re: [PBSS] Possible sinkhole / tunnel

[Jacqueline Thomas]

According to the radio interview, the woman/wife/mom whose lawn collapsed said 
something to the effect of, "If I had a helmet I'd go in." Maybe we can show up 
with an extra helmet? Jacq.

On Sep 9, 2013, at 11:40 AM, Lori Hales wrote:

> All:
> Let's go for it. Nobody goes to the trouble to dig and shore up a tunnel for 
> no reason. Might lead to something.
>  
> Lori
> 
> From: Bill Bentley 
> To: Kerry Lowery ; Jacqueline Thomas 
> ; p...@caver.net 
> Sent: Saturday, September 7, 2013 7:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [PBSS] Possible sinkhole / tunnel
> 
> I'm out!
> - Original Message -
> From: Kerry Lowery
> To: Jacqueline Thomas ; p...@caver.net
> Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2013 6:57 AM
> Subject: Re: [PBSS] Possible sinkhole / tunnel
> 
> I think a group of west texas cavers should volunteer to check this out.
>  
> From: Jacqueline Thomas
> Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 8:48 PM
> To: p...@caver.net
> Subject: Re: [PBSS] Possible sinkhole / tunnel
>  
> Lubbock.
>  
> LUBBOCK, TX (KCBD) -
> KCBD 11 in Lubbock
>  
> A mystery tunnel is creating quite a buzz in a north Lubbock neighborhood.
> Lee Smithwick discovered it on his property this week, when part of his yard 
> collapsed.
> "We were watering the yard and we came out and the whole sprinkler system and 
> everything sank," Smithwick said.
> Smithwick says he thought it was a sinkhole, but then he saw railroad ties.
> He alerted fire and police departments and upon further examination, they 
> discovered it was a hidden tunnel, braced with railroad ties.
> Apparently one broke, causing the collapse.
> Now the question is, who built it?
> Smithwick says local historians have come out to see the tunnel for 
> themselves.
> "First they thought it might be a bunker, but it's definitely a tunnel. 
> Nobody knows who built it or why they would build it. They're thinking maybe 
> it'sassociated with the railroad back in 1909, but you're looking at an 
> underground tunnel for 100 years."
> Smithwick says they've drilled a few holes in the ground, and it appears the 
> tunnel runs underneath the road in front of his house.
> He says city inspectors have also come out, and they're meeting Thursday to 
> figure out if they need take action.
> The area has been marked off with caution tape.
> We'll continue to follow this story online and on the air at KCBD NewsChannel 
> 11.
> 
>  
> Lubbock man discovers mystery tunnel under his house - KCBD NewsChannel 11 
> Lubbock
>  
> Jacqui
>  
>  
> On Sep 6, 2013, at 7:38 PM, Charles Goldsmith wrote:
> 
>> Probably Bill's private cave. 
>> 
>> Sent via C=64 Mobile
>> 
>> On Sep 6, 2013, at 7:28 PM, "Kerry Lowery"  wrote:
>> 
>>> A fella at work was telling me, he heard on the news, of a house in Midland 
>>> where a sinkhole formed in the back yard.  Upon inspection they found a 
>>> tunnel and were able to follow it about 1/8 of a mile.  I see no report of 
>>> this on the local stations web sites.  Curious if anyone else had heard 
>>> this?
>>>  
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Re: [PBSS] [SWR] [Texascavers] Possible sinkhole / tunnel

[Jacqueline Thomas]

Really interesting and in-depth radio discussion of the sinkhole/tunnel. Thanks 
for the link, George! Jacqui

On Sep 7, 2013, at 1:17 AM, George D. Nincehelser wrote:

> The radio interview on this page is pretty interesting.
> 
> http://kfyo.com/lubbocks-secret-tunnel-mystery-deepens/
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 11:17 PM, Bill Bentley  wrote:
> From Jacqui Thomas
>  
> Lubbock.
> 
> LUBBOCK, TX (KCBD) -
> KCBD 11 in Lubbock
> 
> 
> 
> A mystery tunnel is creating quite a buzz in a north Lubbock neighborhood.
> 
> Lee Smithwick discovered it on his property this week, when part of his yard 
> collapsed.
> 
> "We were watering the yard and we came out and the whole sprinkler system and 
> everything sank," Smithwick said.
> 
> Smithwick says he thought it was a sinkhole, but then he saw railroad ties.
> 
> He alerted fire and police departments and upon further examination, they 
> discovered it was a hidden tunnel, braced with railroad ties.
> 
> Apparently one broke, causing the collapse.
> 
> Now the question is, who built it?
> 
> Smithwick says local historians have come out to see the tunnel for 
> themselves.
> 
> "First they thought it might be a bunker, but it's definitely a tunnel. 
> Nobody knows who built it or why they would build it. They're thinking maybe 
> it's associated with the railroad back in 1909, but you're looking at an 
> underground tunnel for 100 years."
> 
> Smithwick says they've drilled a few holes in the ground, and it appears the 
> tunnel runs underneath the road in front of his house.
> 
> He says city inspectors have also come out, and they're meeting Thursday to 
> figure out if they need take action.
> 
> The area has been marked off with caution tape.
> 
> We'll continue to follow this story online and on the air at KCBD NewsChannel 
> 11.
> 
> 
> 
> Lubbock man discovers mystery tunnel under his house - KCBD NewsChannel 11 
> Lubbock
> 
> Jacqui
> 
> 
> On Sep 6, 2013, at 7:38 PM, Charles Goldsmith wrote:
> 
>> Probably Bill's private cave. 
>> 
>> Sent via C=64 Mobile
>> 
>> On Sep 6, 2013, at 7:28 PM, "Kerry Lowery"  wrote:
>> 
>>> A fella at work was telling me, he heard on the news, of a house in Midland 
>>> where a sinkhole formed in the back yard.  Upon inspection they found a 
>>> tunnel and were able to follow it about 1/8 of a mile.  I see no report of 
>>> this on the local stations web sites.  Curious if anyone else had heard 
>>> this?
>>>  
>>> Kerry
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Re: [PBSS] Possible sinkhole / tunnel

[Jacqueline Thomas]

Lubbock.

LUBBOCK, TX (KCBD) -
KCBD 11 in Lubbock



A mystery tunnel is creating quite a buzz in a north Lubbock neighborhood.

Lee Smithwick discovered it on his property this week, when part of his yard 
collapsed.

"We were watering the yard and we came out and the whole sprinkler system and 
everything sank," Smithwick said.

Smithwick says he thought it was a sinkhole, but then he saw railroad ties.

He alerted fire and police departments and upon further examination, they 
discovered it was a hidden tunnel, braced with railroad ties.

Apparently one broke, causing the collapse.

Now the question is, who built it?

Smithwick says local historians have come out to see the tunnel for themselves.

"First they thought it might be a bunker, but it's definitely a tunnel. Nobody 
knows who built it or why they would build it. They're thinking maybe it's 
associated with the railroad back in 1909, but you're looking at an underground 
tunnel for 100 years."

Smithwick says they've drilled a few holes in the ground, and it appears the 
tunnel runs underneath the road in front of his house.

He says city inspectors have also come out, and they're meeting Thursday to 
figure out if they need take action.

The area has been marked off with caution tape.

We'll continue to follow this story online and on the air at KCBD NewsChannel 
11.



Lubbock man discovers mystery tunnel under his house - KCBD NewsChannel 11 
Lubbock

Jacqui


On Sep 6, 2013, at 7:38 PM, Charles Goldsmith wrote:

> Probably Bill's private cave. 
> 
> Sent via C=64 Mobile
> 
> On Sep 6, 2013, at 7:28 PM, "Kerry Lowery"  wrote:
> 
>> A fella at work was telling me, he heard on the news, of a house in Midland 
>> where a sinkhole formed in the back yard.  Upon inspection they found a 
>> tunnel and were able to follow it about 1/8 of a mile.  I see no report of 
>> this on the local stations web sites.  Curious if anyone else had heard this?
>>  
>> Kerry
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Re: [PBSS] Possible sinkhole / tunnel

[Jacqueline Thomas]

Lubbock.

LUBBOCK, TX (KCBD) -
KCBD 11 in Lubbock



A mystery tunnel is creating quite a buzz in a north Lubbock neighborhood.

Lee Smithwick discovered it on his property this week, when part of his yard 
collapsed.

"We were watering the yard and we came out and the whole sprinkler system and 
everything sank," Smithwick said.

Smithwick says he thought it was a sinkhole, but then he saw railroad ties.

He alerted fire and police departments and upon further examination, they 
discovered it was a hidden tunnel, braced with railroad ties.

Apparently one broke, causing the collapse.

Now the question is, who built it?

Smithwick says local historians have come out to see the tunnel for themselves.

"First they thought it might be a bunker, but it's definitely a tunnel. Nobody 
knows who built it or why they would build it. They're thinking maybe it's 
associated with the railroad back in 1909, but you're looking at an underground 
tunnel for 100 years."

Smithwick says they've drilled a few holes in the ground, and it appears the 
tunnel runs underneath the road in front of his house.

He says city inspectors have also come out, and they're meeting Thursday to 
figure out if they need take action.

The area has been marked off with caution tape.

We'll continue to follow this story online and on the air at KCBD NewsChannel 
11.



Lubbock man discovers mystery tunnel under his house - KCBD NewsChannel 11 
Lubbock

Jacqui


On Sep 6, 2013, at 7:38 PM, Charles Goldsmith wrote:

> Probably Bill's private cave. 
> 
> Sent via C=64 Mobile
> 
> On Sep 6, 2013, at 7:28 PM, "Kerry Lowery"  wrote:
> 
>> A fella at work was telling me, he heard on the news, of a house in Midland 
>> where a sinkhole formed in the back yard.  Upon inspection they found a 
>> tunnel and were able to follow it about 1/8 of a mile.  I see no report of 
>> this on the local stations web sites.  Curious if anyone else had heard this?
>>  
>> Kerry
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[PBSS] Fwd: [SWR] Lint camp

[Jacqueline Thomas]

From the SW Region remailer:



Begin forwarded message:

> 
> Subject: [SWR] Lint camp
> Date: August 29, 2013 10:39:25 AM CDT
> 
> 
> Pat Jablonsky is looking for people who might want to help out at Lint Camp 
> at Carlsbad Caverns in September 23, 24, 26, and or 27 (they take Wednesday 
> off).  Thursday the 26 is the only day they do a full day.  Others are a.m. 
> only.  If you can think of anyone who might be able to and want to help,  
> have them contact her.
> 
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[PBSS] Fwd: [SWR] Lint camp

[Jacqueline Thomas]

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Begin forwarded message:

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> Subject: [SWR] Lint camp
> Date: August 29, 2013 10:39:25 AM CDT
> 
> 
> Pat Jablonsky is looking for people who might want to help out at Lint Camp 
> at Carlsbad Caverns in September 23, 24, 26, and or 27 (they take Wednesday 
> off).  Thursday the 26 is the only day they do a full day.  Others are a.m. 
> only.  If you can think of anyone who might be able to and want to help,  
> have them contact her.
> 
> 
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Re: [Texascavers] Re: [Texas Cavers Reunion 36]

[Jacqueline Thomas]

Has someone checked that there is already oak wilt at Paradise Canyon before we 
start bringing firewood in from where there IS oak wilt? 

Just wondering… Jacqui

On Aug 26, 2013, at 11:25 AM, Galen Falgout wrote:

> I can haul a trailer of wood to tcr. An I wouldn't Mind going split wood ither
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Aug 26, 2013, at 11:05 AM, dirt...@comcast.net wrote:
> 
>> You shoulda bought the Moby Dick I had for sale when you had the chance!!
>> 
>> DirtDoc
>> 
>> From: "Jim Kennedy" 
>> To: "Fritz Holt" 
>> Cc: "Oztotl" , "June Levy" , "Mandy 
>> holt" , "Jenny Holt" , 
>> "Cavers Texas" 
>> Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 9:30:49 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] [Texas Cavers Reunion 36]
>> 
>> I'll volunteer to go out and help split one day, but I have no means to 
>> haul. 
>> 
>> Jim

Re: [Texascavers] Re: [Texas Cavers Reunion 36]

[Jacqueline Thomas]

Has someone checked that there is already oak wilt at Paradise Canyon before we 
start bringing firewood in from where there IS oak wilt? 

Just wondering… Jacqui

On Aug 26, 2013, at 11:25 AM, Galen Falgout wrote:

> I can haul a trailer of wood to tcr. An I wouldn't Mind going split wood ither
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Aug 26, 2013, at 11:05 AM, dirt...@comcast.net wrote:
> 
>> You shoulda bought the Moby Dick I had for sale when you had the chance!!
>> 
>> DirtDoc
>> 
>> From: "Jim Kennedy" 
>> To: "Fritz Holt" 
>> Cc: "Oztotl" , "June Levy" , "Mandy 
>> holt" , "Jenny Holt" , 
>> "Cavers Texas" 
>> Sent: Monday, August 26, 2013 9:30:49 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] [Texas Cavers Reunion 36]
>> 
>> I'll volunteer to go out and help split one day, but I have no means to 
>> haul. 
>> 
>> Jim

Re: [SWR] AR.Drone 2.0 caving recon platform

[Jacqueline Thomas]

John,
Thanks, that was great fun! Juan Corrin's non-quadrocopter cave videos are 
interesting, too. 

Jacqui

 
On Jul 6, 2013, at 10:40 AM, John Lyles wrote:

> Google search this term, and see YouTube videos taken in caves using a 
> AR.Drone 2.0 quadrocopter.
> 
> ardrone juan corrin
> 
> Enjoy,
> jtml
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Re: [SWR] AR.Drone 2.0 caving recon platform

[Jacqueline Thomas]

John,
Thanks, that was great fun! Juan Corrin's non-quadrocopter cave videos are 
interesting, too. 

Jacqui

 
On Jul 6, 2013, at 10:40 AM, John Lyles wrote:

> Google search this term, and see YouTube videos taken in caves using a 
> AR.Drone 2.0 quadrocopter.
> 
> ardrone juan corrin
> 
> Enjoy,
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Re: [SWR] AR.Drone 2.0 caving recon platform

[Jacqueline Thomas]

John,
Thanks, that was great fun! Juan Corrin's non-quadrocopter cave videos are 
interesting, too. 

Jacqui

 
On Jul 6, 2013, at 10:40 AM, John Lyles wrote:

> Google search this term, and see YouTube videos taken in caves using a 
> AR.Drone 2.0 quadrocopter.
> 
> ardrone juan corrin
> 
> Enjoy,
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[PBSS] Fwd: [SWR] Caverns of Sonora on the Weather Channel

[Jacqueline Thomas]

From George Veni at NCKRI:

Begin forwarded message:

> From: George Veni 
> Subject: [SWR] Caverns of Sonora on the Weather Channel
> Date: July 2, 2013 3:10:45 PM CDT
> To: New Mexico Cavers , Cavers Texas 
> 
> 
> Dear Friends,
>  
> The Weather Channel has a series called Secrets of the Earth. A few months 
> ago, on behalf of NCKRI, I assisted with a segment they titled Strangest 
> Places and which will at least partly feature Caverns of Sonora. Yesterday 
> the producers told me that it is scheduled to air on Thursday, 11 July at 
> 8:30 p.m. EDT. It will also air several other times, but any of the times may 
> be changed at the last moment if there are major weather events. Details and 
> times are supposed to be posted athttp://www.weather.com/tv/programs/, 
> although their on-line schedule didn’t work for me so I’ll just check the 
> on-screen schedule on my TV that day.
>  
> The people making the video seemed like a good crew and asked a lot of great 
> questions, so I’m hoping this will be quality presentation on this world 
> class cave.
>  
> George
>  
> P.S.: Feel free to post or share this message with anyone you think may be 
> interested.
>  
> 
> George Veni, Ph.D.
> Executive Director
> National Cave and Karst Research Institute
> 400-1 Cascades Avenue
> Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA
> Office: 575-887-5517
> Mobile: 210-863-5919
> Fax: 575-887-5523
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[PBSS] Fwd: [SWR] Caverns of Sonora on the Weather Channel

[Jacqueline Thomas]

From George Veni at NCKRI:

Begin forwarded message:

> From: George Veni 
> Subject: [SWR] Caverns of Sonora on the Weather Channel
> Date: July 2, 2013 3:10:45 PM CDT
> To: New Mexico Cavers , Cavers Texas 
> 
> 
> Dear Friends,
>  
> The Weather Channel has a series called Secrets of the Earth. A few months 
> ago, on behalf of NCKRI, I assisted with a segment they titled Strangest 
> Places and which will at least partly feature Caverns of Sonora. Yesterday 
> the producers told me that it is scheduled to air on Thursday, 11 July at 
> 8:30 p.m. EDT. It will also air several other times, but any of the times may 
> be changed at the last moment if there are major weather events. Details and 
> times are supposed to be posted athttp://www.weather.com/tv/programs/, 
> although their on-line schedule didn’t work for me so I’ll just check the 
> on-screen schedule on my TV that day.
>  
> The people making the video seemed like a good crew and asked a lot of great 
> questions, so I’m hoping this will be quality presentation on this world 
> class cave.
>  
> George
>  
> P.S.: Feel free to post or share this message with anyone you think may be 
> interested.
>  
> 
> George Veni, Ph.D.
> Executive Director
> National Cave and Karst Research Institute
> 400-1 Cascades Avenue
> Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA
> Office: 575-887-5517
> Mobile: 210-863-5919
> Fax: 575-887-5523
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[PBSS] Fwd: [SWR] Caverns of Sonora on the Weather Channel

[Jacqueline Thomas]

From George Veni at NCKRI:

Begin forwarded message:

> From: George Veni 
> Subject: [SWR] Caverns of Sonora on the Weather Channel
> Date: July 2, 2013 3:10:45 PM CDT
> To: New Mexico Cavers , Cavers Texas 
> 
> 
> Dear Friends,
>  
> The Weather Channel has a series called Secrets of the Earth. A few months 
> ago, on behalf of NCKRI, I assisted with a segment they titled Strangest 
> Places and which will at least partly feature Caverns of Sonora. Yesterday 
> the producers told me that it is scheduled to air on Thursday, 11 July at 
> 8:30 p.m. EDT. It will also air several other times, but any of the times may 
> be changed at the last moment if there are major weather events. Details and 
> times are supposed to be posted athttp://www.weather.com/tv/programs/, 
> although their on-line schedule didn’t work for me so I’ll just check the 
> on-screen schedule on my TV that day.
>  
> The people making the video seemed like a good crew and asked a lot of great 
> questions, so I’m hoping this will be quality presentation on this world 
> class cave.
>  
> George
>  
> P.S.: Feel free to post or share this message with anyone you think may be 
> interested.
>  
> 
> George Veni, Ph.D.
> Executive Director
> National Cave and Karst Research Institute
> 400-1 Cascades Avenue
> Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA
> Office: 575-887-5517
> Mobile: 210-863-5919
> Fax: 575-887-5523
> gv...@nckri.org
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[Texascavers] Re: [SWR] [Texascavers] Are we being spammed?

[Jacqueline Thomas]

Was Stefan's email "Spam for TCR, anybody" coincidental? Jacqui

On Jun 19, 2013, at 7:48 PM, Mimi Jasek wrote:

> This started for us several days ago and started from Keith Huess, who, when 
> contacted, said he had been hacked. I think he may have had 60+ names on his 
> mail list!
> 
> Mimi Jasek
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jun 19, 2013, at 7:06 PM, Louise Power  wrote:
> 
>> I've been getting a lot of email addressed to me and what appear to be other 
>> cavers that is weird and has a live link--a no-no for me. I can see others 
>> are getting it, too. Mine don't get onto my Inbox since I have my filters 
>> set very high and I don't click on links from suspicious emails. Anybody 
>> know the genesis of these? Some of the names I recognize, but as I said, the 
>> links look suspicious.
>> 
>> Louise
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[Texascavers] Re: [SWR] [Texascavers] Are we being spammed?

[Jacqueline Thomas]

Was Stefan's email "Spam for TCR, anybody" coincidental? Jacqui

On Jun 19, 2013, at 7:48 PM, Mimi Jasek wrote:

> This started for us several days ago and started from Keith Huess, who, when 
> contacted, said he had been hacked. I think he may have had 60+ names on his 
> mail list!
> 
> Mimi Jasek
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jun 19, 2013, at 7:06 PM, Louise Power  wrote:
> 
>> I've been getting a lot of email addressed to me and what appear to be other 
>> cavers that is weird and has a live link--a no-no for me. I can see others 
>> are getting it, too. Mine don't get onto my Inbox since I have my filters 
>> set very high and I don't click on links from suspicious emails. Anybody 
>> know the genesis of these? Some of the names I recognize, but as I said, the 
>> links look suspicious.
>> 
>> Louise
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[Texascavers] Re: [SWR] [Texascavers] Are we being spammed?

[Jacqueline Thomas]

Was Stefan's email "Spam for TCR, anybody" coincidental? Jacqui

On Jun 19, 2013, at 7:48 PM, Mimi Jasek wrote:

> This started for us several days ago and started from Keith Huess, who, when 
> contacted, said he had been hacked. I think he may have had 60+ names on his 
> mail list!
> 
> Mimi Jasek
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jun 19, 2013, at 7:06 PM, Louise Power  wrote:
> 
>> I've been getting a lot of email addressed to me and what appear to be other 
>> cavers that is weird and has a live link--a no-no for me. I can see others 
>> are getting it, too. Mine don't get onto my Inbox since I have my filters 
>> set very high and I don't click on links from suspicious emails. Anybody 
>> know the genesis of these? Some of the names I recognize, but as I said, the 
>> links look suspicious.
>> 
>> Louise
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[SWR] Fwd: [PBSS] Climbing gear damage

[Jacqueline Thomas]

Geary Schindel in San Antonio posted the following to PBSS & TX Cavers but is 
not on the SWR remailer. Interesting… Jacqui

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Geary Schindel 
> Subject: Re: [PBSS] [SWR] Climbing gear damage
> Date: June 13, 2013 8:09:56 AM CDT
> To: "'Jacqueline Thomas'" , "p...@caver.net" 
> "Texascavers@texascavers.com" 
> 
> Nice article and evaluation.
>  
> I know that some folks think I’m paranoid (which may be true) but I’ve always 
> carried my ropes and vertical gear in protective bags. The possibility of 
> damage to ropes and vertical gear thrown in the back of pickup trucks is much 
> too great. Reminds me of a trip I was supposed to go on when I was in 
> college. A bunch of friends put together a trip to do the big pits in Mexico 
> over Christmas. I really couldn’t afford to go and had to cancel.  However, 
> my friends went. The group bought a long rope which they thought was too big 
> to place in a pack so they stuffed it loose in the back of the van. They did 
> El Sotano and everyone climbed in and out with no problem.
>  
> They then went over to Golondrinas. Two folks rappelled in with no problems. 
> The third person rappelled in and the rope sheath separated and jammed into 
> the rack, about 100 feet over the lip. So, here he was dangling about 900 
> feet off the floor of the cave with the rope starting to part. He didn’t want 
> to place his safety ascender on the rope as that was where the rope sheath 
> separated. The folks up top lowered down the tail of the rope and he was able 
> to change over and ascend out of the pit.
>  
> The top crew than pulled up the rope, threw down some notes asking what the 
> two guys on the bottom wanted to do. The choices were, wait about a week in 
> the bottom of the pit while the cavers hiked a day out to the road, drove 
> back to the US to get another rope and to return.
>  
> Second option was to lower the bad portion of the rope into the pit and use 
> the end that was in the bottom to anchor the rope and let the cavers on 
> bottom climb out. That is what the cavers decided to do. They climbed out 
> without incident.
>  
> A government chemist on the trip took the damaged part of the rope back to 
> his lab and did some tests and found the rope had been exposed to battery 
> acid. The owner of the van had said that he had carried a car battery in the 
> back of the van about a month before and that it must have leaked.
>  
> Tough lesson learned.
>  
> Geary
>  
> From: swr-boun...@caver.net [mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net] On Behalf Of 
> Jacqueline Thomas
> Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 9:37 PM
> To: p...@caver.net; Southwest Region Region; Texascavers@texascavers.com
> Subject: [SWR] Climbing gear damage
>  
> Below is a link to a Black Diamond investigation into initially inexplicable 
> harness failure. It's  climbing gear, not caving gear, but is very 
> interesting. Jacqui
>  
> QC Lab: The Electric Harness Acid Test
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[SWR] Fwd: [PBSS] Climbing gear damage

[Jacqueline Thomas]

Geary Schindel in San Antonio posted the following to PBSS & TX Cavers but is 
not on the SWR remailer. Interesting… Jacqui

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Geary Schindel 
> Subject: Re: [PBSS] [SWR] Climbing gear damage
> Date: June 13, 2013 8:09:56 AM CDT
> To: "'Jacqueline Thomas'" , "p...@caver.net" 
> "Texascavers@texascavers.com" 
> 
> Nice article and evaluation.
>  
> I know that some folks think I’m paranoid (which may be true) but I’ve always 
> carried my ropes and vertical gear in protective bags. The possibility of 
> damage to ropes and vertical gear thrown in the back of pickup trucks is much 
> too great. Reminds me of a trip I was supposed to go on when I was in 
> college. A bunch of friends put together a trip to do the big pits in Mexico 
> over Christmas. I really couldn’t afford to go and had to cancel.  However, 
> my friends went. The group bought a long rope which they thought was too big 
> to place in a pack so they stuffed it loose in the back of the van. They did 
> El Sotano and everyone climbed in and out with no problem.
>  
> They then went over to Golondrinas. Two folks rappelled in with no problems. 
> The third person rappelled in and the rope sheath separated and jammed into 
> the rack, about 100 feet over the lip. So, here he was dangling about 900 
> feet off the floor of the cave with the rope starting to part. He didn’t want 
> to place his safety ascender on the rope as that was where the rope sheath 
> separated. The folks up top lowered down the tail of the rope and he was able 
> to change over and ascend out of the pit.
>  
> The top crew than pulled up the rope, threw down some notes asking what the 
> two guys on the bottom wanted to do. The choices were, wait about a week in 
> the bottom of the pit while the cavers hiked a day out to the road, drove 
> back to the US to get another rope and to return.
>  
> Second option was to lower the bad portion of the rope into the pit and use 
> the end that was in the bottom to anchor the rope and let the cavers on 
> bottom climb out. That is what the cavers decided to do. They climbed out 
> without incident.
>  
> A government chemist on the trip took the damaged part of the rope back to 
> his lab and did some tests and found the rope had been exposed to battery 
> acid. The owner of the van had said that he had carried a car battery in the 
> back of the van about a month before and that it must have leaked.
>  
> Tough lesson learned.
>  
> Geary
>  
> From: swr-boun...@caver.net [mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net] On Behalf Of 
> Jacqueline Thomas
> Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 9:37 PM
> To: p...@caver.net; Southwest Region Region; Texascavers@texascavers.com
> Subject: [SWR] Climbing gear damage
>  
> Below is a link to a Black Diamond investigation into initially inexplicable 
> harness failure. It's  climbing gear, not caving gear, but is very 
> interesting. Jacqui
>  
> QC Lab: The Electric Harness Acid Test
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[SWR] Fwd: [PBSS] Climbing gear damage

[Jacqueline Thomas]

Geary Schindel in San Antonio posted the following to PBSS & TX Cavers but is 
not on the SWR remailer. Interesting… Jacqui

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Geary Schindel 
> Subject: Re: [PBSS] [SWR] Climbing gear damage
> Date: June 13, 2013 8:09:56 AM CDT
> To: "'Jacqueline Thomas'" , "p...@caver.net" 
> "Texascavers@texascavers.com" 
> 
> Nice article and evaluation.
>  
> I know that some folks think I’m paranoid (which may be true) but I’ve always 
> carried my ropes and vertical gear in protective bags. The possibility of 
> damage to ropes and vertical gear thrown in the back of pickup trucks is much 
> too great. Reminds me of a trip I was supposed to go on when I was in 
> college. A bunch of friends put together a trip to do the big pits in Mexico 
> over Christmas. I really couldn’t afford to go and had to cancel.  However, 
> my friends went. The group bought a long rope which they thought was too big 
> to place in a pack so they stuffed it loose in the back of the van. They did 
> El Sotano and everyone climbed in and out with no problem.
>  
> They then went over to Golondrinas. Two folks rappelled in with no problems. 
> The third person rappelled in and the rope sheath separated and jammed into 
> the rack, about 100 feet over the lip. So, here he was dangling about 900 
> feet off the floor of the cave with the rope starting to part. He didn’t want 
> to place his safety ascender on the rope as that was where the rope sheath 
> separated. The folks up top lowered down the tail of the rope and he was able 
> to change over and ascend out of the pit.
>  
> The top crew than pulled up the rope, threw down some notes asking what the 
> two guys on the bottom wanted to do. The choices were, wait about a week in 
> the bottom of the pit while the cavers hiked a day out to the road, drove 
> back to the US to get another rope and to return.
>  
> Second option was to lower the bad portion of the rope into the pit and use 
> the end that was in the bottom to anchor the rope and let the cavers on 
> bottom climb out. That is what the cavers decided to do. They climbed out 
> without incident.
>  
> A government chemist on the trip took the damaged part of the rope back to 
> his lab and did some tests and found the rope had been exposed to battery 
> acid. The owner of the van had said that he had carried a car battery in the 
> back of the van about a month before and that it must have leaked.
>  
> Tough lesson learned.
>  
> Geary
>  
> From: swr-boun...@caver.net [mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net] On Behalf Of 
> Jacqueline Thomas
> Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 9:37 PM
> To: p...@caver.net; Southwest Region Region; Texascavers@texascavers.com
> Subject: [SWR] Climbing gear damage
>  
> Below is a link to a Black Diamond investigation into initially inexplicable 
> harness failure. It's  climbing gear, not caving gear, but is very 
> interesting. Jacqui
>  
> QC Lab: The Electric Harness Acid Test
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[SWR] Climbing gear damage

[Jacqueline Thomas]

Below is a link to a Black Diamond investigation into initially inexplicable 
harness failure. It's  climbing gear, not caving gear, but is very interesting. 
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[SWR] Climbing gear damage

[Jacqueline Thomas]

Below is a link to a Black Diamond investigation into initially inexplicable 
harness failure. It's  climbing gear, not caving gear, but is very interesting. 
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[SWR] Climbing gear damage

[Jacqueline Thomas]

Below is a link to a Black Diamond investigation into initially inexplicable 
harness failure. It's  climbing gear, not caving gear, but is very interesting. 
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Re: [PBSS] Abyss Trip

[Jacqueline Thomas]

Darned right you work too much…
I never knew if we had to ask anyone or not--thanks for clearing that up. I 
have a Texas Caver bat sticker (one of the "discontinued" kind) so I'm cool. 
And I can make it through a 2x2 keyhole. I think. I sure do appreciate that you 
stop by now and again and check.

Sure wish you could join us. Jacqui

On May 22, 2013, at 5:34 PM, Michael Gray wrote:

> Jacqui,
> All the times before we did not need to tell anyone we were staying at Ess.
> My original contact said we could go anytime and I told him if he sees a bat 
> sticker
> on any vehicle he would know it was the PBSS and he was fine with that.
> If the rancher wants to go stop at the trailer and tell him. As for a key 
> someone
> provided a two by two key in the gate for us but if your a larger size caver 
> you
> might need a regular key. I was at Ess last week on my way back to Austin and
> someone took a chop saw to the gate. To stop this the gate will need to be 
> completely
> rebuilt with solid bars inside the pipe or filled with concrete or something. 
> I'm still
> open for any thoughts on this. Sill will not make this trip, like Lori said I 
> work too much.
> Y'all have fun,
> Mike
>  
> 
> From: Jacqueline Thomas 
> To: p...@caver.net 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 6:36 AM
> Subject: [PBSS] Abyss Trip
> 
> We are on for June first (Saturday) for Abyss. 
> 
> The almost 100-foot entrance drop requires competence with vertical gear and 
> there's still time to practice your skills. 
> 
> I have never been the person to arrange for visiting (and overnighting) at 
> Ess Cave--will someone please do that? I know the man who lives down the road 
> wanted to know when we will be there so he can join us. I also do not have a 
> key.
> 
> And, I'd like a head count for Abyss. Who plans to spend Friday night at Ess?
> 
> Jacqui
> 
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Re: [PBSS] Abyss Trip

[Jacqueline Thomas]

Darned right you work too much…
I never knew if we had to ask anyone or not--thanks for clearing that up. I 
have a Texas Caver bat sticker (one of the "discontinued" kind) so I'm cool. 
And I can make it through a 2x2 keyhole. I think. I sure do appreciate that you 
stop by now and again and check.

Sure wish you could join us. Jacqui

On May 22, 2013, at 5:34 PM, Michael Gray wrote:

> Jacqui,
> All the times before we did not need to tell anyone we were staying at Ess.
> My original contact said we could go anytime and I told him if he sees a bat 
> sticker
> on any vehicle he would know it was the PBSS and he was fine with that.
> If the rancher wants to go stop at the trailer and tell him. As for a key 
> someone
> provided a two by two key in the gate for us but if your a larger size caver 
> you
> might need a regular key. I was at Ess last week on my way back to Austin and
> someone took a chop saw to the gate. To stop this the gate will need to be 
> completely
> rebuilt with solid bars inside the pipe or filled with concrete or something. 
> I'm still
> open for any thoughts on this. Sill will not make this trip, like Lori said I 
> work too much.
> Y'all have fun,
> Mike
>  
> 
> From: Jacqueline Thomas 
> To: p...@caver.net 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 6:36 AM
> Subject: [PBSS] Abyss Trip
> 
> We are on for June first (Saturday) for Abyss. 
> 
> The almost 100-foot entrance drop requires competence with vertical gear and 
> there's still time to practice your skills. 
> 
> I have never been the person to arrange for visiting (and overnighting) at 
> Ess Cave--will someone please do that? I know the man who lives down the road 
> wanted to know when we will be there so he can join us. I also do not have a 
> key.
> 
> And, I'd like a head count for Abyss. Who plans to spend Friday night at Ess?
> 
> Jacqui
> 
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Re: [PBSS] Abyss Trip

[Jacqueline Thomas]

Darned right you work too much…
I never knew if we had to ask anyone or not--thanks for clearing that up. I 
have a Texas Caver bat sticker (one of the "discontinued" kind) so I'm cool. 
And I can make it through a 2x2 keyhole. I think. I sure do appreciate that you 
stop by now and again and check.

Sure wish you could join us. Jacqui

On May 22, 2013, at 5:34 PM, Michael Gray wrote:

> Jacqui,
> All the times before we did not need to tell anyone we were staying at Ess.
> My original contact said we could go anytime and I told him if he sees a bat 
> sticker
> on any vehicle he would know it was the PBSS and he was fine with that.
> If the rancher wants to go stop at the trailer and tell him. As for a key 
> someone
> provided a two by two key in the gate for us but if your a larger size caver 
> you
> might need a regular key. I was at Ess last week on my way back to Austin and
> someone took a chop saw to the gate. To stop this the gate will need to be 
> completely
> rebuilt with solid bars inside the pipe or filled with concrete or something. 
> I'm still
> open for any thoughts on this. Sill will not make this trip, like Lori said I 
> work too much.
> Y'all have fun,
> Mike
>  
> 
> From: Jacqueline Thomas 
> To: p...@caver.net 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 6:36 AM
> Subject: [PBSS] Abyss Trip
> 
> We are on for June first (Saturday) for Abyss. 
> 
> The almost 100-foot entrance drop requires competence with vertical gear and 
> there's still time to practice your skills. 
> 
> I have never been the person to arrange for visiting (and overnighting) at 
> Ess Cave--will someone please do that? I know the man who lives down the road 
> wanted to know when we will be there so he can join us. I also do not have a 
> key.
> 
> And, I'd like a head count for Abyss. Who plans to spend Friday night at Ess?
> 
> Jacqui
> 
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[PBSS] Abyss Trip

[Jacqueline Thomas]

We are on for June first (Saturday) for Abyss. 

The almost 100-foot entrance drop requires competence with vertical gear and 
there's still time to practice your skills. 

I have never been the person to arrange for visiting (and overnighting) at Ess 
Cave--will someone please do that? I know the man who lives down the road 
wanted to know when we will be there so he can join us. I also do not have a 
key.

And, I'd like a head count for Abyss. Who plans to spend Friday night at Ess?

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