Re: [Texascavers] Eagle Cave

[Michael Harris]

I was out there a few years ago when Jack Skiles was still alive and had
his little museum behind his house in Langtry. I have some photos somewhere
of a raging river in the canyon after a flood event.

Mike Harris

On Sun, Jan 23, 2022, 8:41 PM George Veni  wrote:

> Eagle Cave is a large shelter near Bonfire. Archaeologists at Texas State
> have been working a lot on these shelters and other sites in the area for
> the past few years. You can read about their most recent work at Bonfire
> at: https://www.texasmonthly.com/being-texan/secrets-bonfire-shelter/.
>
>
>
> George
>
>
>
> 
>
> George  Veni, PhD
>
> Executive Director, National Cave and Karst Research Institute (NCKRI)
>
> and
>
> President, International Union of Speleology (UIS)
>
>
>
> *NCKRI address (primary)*
>
> 400-1 Cascades Avenue
>
> Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220 USA
>
> Office: +575-887-5517
>
> Mobile: +210-863-5919
>
> Fax: +575-887-5523
>
> gv...@nckri.org
>
> www.nckri.org
>
>
>
> *UIS address*
>
> Titov trg 2
>
> Postojna, 6230 Slovenia
>
> www.uis-speleo.org
>
> www.iyck2021.org
>
>
>
> *From:* Texascavers  *On Behalf Of *Jon
> Cradit
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 23, 2022 7:01 PM
> *To:* texascavers@texascavers.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Eagle Cave
>
>
>
> Mike,
>
> I would be interested in the paper you speak of.
>
> Please contact me through my e-ddress: cavefa...@yahoo.com
>
> Jon
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 23, 2022 7:23 PM, Mike Flannigan  wrote:
>
>
> Hi all.  Archaeologists on a list I am on are talking about
> Eagle Cave and Bonfire Shelter.  I have been by Langry a
> could times, but never to these features.  I gather that
> Eagle Cave might be more of a shelter than a cave??
> The 3rd pic below shows the trench dug by an archaeologist
> back in 1939.
>
> http://www.mflan.com/temp/eagle-cave1.jpg
> http://www.mflan.com/temp/eagle-cave2.jpg
> http://www.mflan.com/temp/eagle-cave3.jpg
>
> Here is what the archaeologist said:
>
> In 1938/39 someone got in there, one of the early guys, I can't remember
> who it was, and anyway they excavated an 10 to 15-foot wide trench from
> back to front looking for "early man." They went down 35-feet. Stayed in
> cultural deposits the whole way and never hit the floor. (You can still
> see that trench.)
>
> Somebody went back in in 1958. Can't remember who that was.
>
> A couple of years ago, Chuck Koenig, J. David Kilby, Chris Jurgens (and
> a Texas State crew) went back in there and documented a Folsom Component.
>
> You can still see the remains of that 1938 trench right there.
>
> I will send that 2021 paper to anyone who wants to see it.
>
> Mike
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Re: [Texascavers] James Jasek update 06/04/2020

[Michael Harris]

I received a phone call today from some guy named Jim Jasek. What a
surprise. He sounds good and and in fair spirits. We reminisced about cave
trips we were on and other stuff. It was great to hear from Jim. Our phone
call was unfortunately cut short because it was time for a therapy session.

Mike Harris

On Thu, Jun 4, 2020, 12:40 PM Mimi Jasek  wrote:

>
> New update. Jim was moved to better wing, working all therapy, eating as
> best he can, dealing with ups and downs of healing from the event, and
> quarantine will be lifted Saturday if he does not test positive on
> Friday!!? All staff and residents being tested per law. If Jim does not get
> tested, he will be quarantined for another 14  days. If he tests positive -
> got it in there - he will be quarantined for another 14 days. I wanted him
> home for birthday and Father’s Day weekend, but after talk with head
> therapist, that might or might not happen. She feels at this point he would
> truly benefit from more therapy beyond that first Medicare covered 20 days,
> which is 11th or 12th. As long as our supplemental picks up, that is ok.
> Having to do all therapy in his room is restrictive. He would progress much
> faster if they could broaden his area of access, and his mental outlook
> would improve vastly if he could socialize. Another 14 days of isolation
> would be awful, and truly retard his healing progress. I worry though that
> if any of his care givers test positive, will he be automatically
> quarantined?!! So, please send prayers and good thoughts for him to test
> negative, as well as all care givers. The long term residents would not be
> affected like Jim - who is supposed to come home! Since I have not seen him
> since he went in on the 23rd, I honestly have no real idea of how he is
> doing functionally. I get that question, but just don’t know. All I know is
> from phone calls with him, nurses, and therapists (rarely). Stay well and
> safe, please! This situation is just not good for anyone at this time☹️
>
> Mimi Jasek
> 254-495-0416
>
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Re: [Texascavers] James Jasek 05/26/20 Update

[Michael Harris]

Wow, that's a handful.  I'm sure he has separation anxiety as do you.  Just
when you need it most you are forced to be apart.  We'll keep praying for
you both.

Mike

On Tue, May 26, 2020, 10:13 PM Mimi Jasek  wrote:

> Jim left the hospital a little after 1:00 pm on Saturday to go to rehab.
> One of those sad, poignant scenes you would normally only see in a movie.
> Little old guy in a wheelchair, strapped in as only passenger on a facility
> bus, with little old wife standing there waving till bus was gone beyond
> sight, then slowly walking back to car quietly sobbing. All too REAL. This
> virus..
>
> But, he is in an amazing place getting the help he needs. ST (speech
> therapy), PT (physical therapy), and OT (occupational therapy) 5 days a
> week and one weekend day if misses a week day. He is in locked wing, gets
> meals and all nurse and therapy sessions in his room, but they do not shut
> his door. If he comes out, they can only nicely suggest he go back in room,
> which is where I believe he spends most of his time. This lasts for 14 days
> of quarantine.
>
> I know ST has started for sure, for she called me with questions for
> baseline to get back to pre-event. She did not even see some of what
> hospital put in notes! Healing body progress already  Supposedly PT and
> OT don’t call unless serious questions. She said if he needs more than 14
> days of treatment, she will see about getting him moved off that wing till
> discharged. But the 14 days could do it. No one knows.
>
> He has gone to nurses station and had them call me, and told me today he
> DOES want me to find his window so he can see me - even if through a
> window! Like I’ve seen on TV! I will also try to get set up for Wednesday
> FaceTime event for his wing. All they get, but we shall see if it works.
> Neither his ST nor I want him to have his iPhone, for he could set it down
> and poof - gone. It gave him trouble before this event sometimes anyway at
> home (user error?), so no need for something else to cause frustration.
>
> So, up to him now. I did get a call from Home Health, for hospital did not
> let them know he went to rehab!? They said that was ok, and when discharged
> they would pick up care at home! All good...
>
> Except nurse just called with problem from facility! Oh to be with him to
> keep eagle eye on him. Pray he did not hurt himself to have to go to
> hospital, then back, and start quarantine all over again!! Found him lying
> on floor in hall, after being seen sitting in chair in hall, but no
> apparent harm. (He likes to be on floor sometimes if uncomfortable at
> home!) But must report as unseen fall, quit blood thinner just got back on
> for 3 days, observe closely.Giving him some melatonin and ibuprofen
> (which he took at home) to help him sleep as he is restless and up a lot
> during night per night shift. Ah Jim..
>
> Mimi
>
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Re: [Texascavers] James Jasek new update 5/22/20

[Michael Harris]

Mimi,

You had a tough decision to make but ultimately it comes down to the best
care for Jim and his recovery.  I feel that most of these facilities have a
handle on the COVID-19 situation so Jim should be in good hands. I'm sure
you will be able to visit by phone. Hopefully the desire to go home will
increase his drive for a speedier recovery.

Let us know of you need anything. Keep the faith and keep us posted.

Mike

On Fri, May 22, 2020, 9:50 PM Mimi Jasek  wrote:

> Well, another change to the plan. They had asked me yesterday if I wanted
> them to dig deeper into new law to get Jim into rehab,  and I said no.
> Hence my update yesterday. But family was worried about me, for it really
> is just me, so I texted doc late last night and said check. He and case
> manager spent all day doing that, for they could not get the PT and
> stroke/brain/memory help they feel he needs through home health etc here
> without it costing me an arm and a leg. So, after two management meetings
> and a negative COVID test, I got a call from the center his doc really
> wanted him to go to that he was accepted - but law won’t allow me to go. No
> visitation either. All because of unreported deaths, virus cases etc in
> nursing homes and rehab centers!  And because he hops out of bed and tries
> to go where he wants, he will be in a lock down unit.  So.
>
> I feel he would get better faster at home mentally, but I can not give him
> the other things he needs. I have to be honest about my physical
> limitations and accept help. My family is ecstatic for both our sakes, and
> I have to find a way to be at peace with this.  At least I know this
> facility, for Jim’s mom has been here for years - even in same unit for a
> few of those years. She will be 103 in August, but is now in a unit where
> she gets the extra physical help she needs. Due to virus, though, they will
> not be allowed to see one another. I also know the director of admissions
> from seeing her around when visiting Jim’s mom, and from my work. She is a
> member of the credit union and member/ friend of my boss.  When they had to
> refuse us yesterday, she saw my name and called me personally. Then today
> called back with the Yes for Jim, but no for me. Case worker really tried
> to get special exemption for me, but that only works for end of life
> residents for last goodbyes. Again, law. They have wonderful PT, and
> specialize in all things memory and brain related -  what Jim needs. They
> have weekly FaceTime day for each wing, and Jim supposedly could get an aid
> to call me so he can talk to me. No phones or tvs in rooms, which is great
> since Jim does not really watch TV. All private rooms with shared
> bathrooms.
>
> I have to list positive aspects to help cope with the fact he may go nuts
> when he does not have access to me for two-three weeks. They moved that
> rascal to a different room - right across from the nurses station to keep
> an eye on him better - and he had a nurse call me because he was scared,
> did not know where he was, where was I etc earlier today. Yet they told me
> this morning before that he was totally lucid, answered all their questions
> correctly, and even called doctor by his correct name! I need positive
> thought and prayer for him to be able to handle this separation so as to
> heal, get better and stronger, and come home to me.
>
> For those who know him well, you know he is a friendly guy. When I asked
> how he did today, they said he walked around - with a belt restraint to
> catch or guide him, but no walker -  sat up in his chair for over an hour,
> and hung out with them at the nurses desk for about an hour and a half. I
> was like ?? Standing up?? They said he seemed restless and bored and kept
> asking for me, so they brought him to the desk and sat him in a chair, and
> he entertained them.  I was like were you entertained? The young man
> laughed and said “oh yeah”.  Jim does not drink, but give him a brain
> event, and no telling what he said! I did have another tech ask me if I
> really met him on a caving trip, and he and another said it sounded like we
> had both had quite an interesting life with many adventures. I think they
> will miss him, and probably why my ears were burning?! I bet the walls at
> that desk will never be the same, and they know things about us that would
> make me blush!! But I wish I had been there to enjoy the show 
>
> Will be there early and stay till he goes to rehab to make sure we say
> goodby, and explain again what is happening and why. Wish me luck, and
> don’t judge me too harshly for getting him help outside of home.
>
> Stay safe, be well, and go find a cave!
>
> Mimi Jasek
>
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Re: [Texascavers] TPWD park re-openings

[Michael Harris]

I wonder if that is relaxed for playing in the water. I noticed some news
photos of folks at Blanco SP that were at the water fishing and in the
water playing. Non of which had masks let alone social distancing.

Mike Harris

On Sat, Apr 25, 2020, 12:06 PM Heather Tucek  wrote:

> I just checked with the park I work at.
> Yes, facemasks are required even when hiking the trails. Yes, the park
> understands the problem with that related to the weather. Yes, they aren't
> looking forward to heat related rescues and people complaining at them
> about how much it sucks.
>
> However, this is Governor Abbott's decision, and as short sighted as it
> may be, they have to follow his directives.
>
> I'm sure as issues start to arise, there will be exceptions made, but it
> may be a reactionary decision on his part, so we just have to follow the
> rules, and wait.
>
> -Heather Tucek
>
>
> On Fri, 24 Apr 2020 at 23:54, Mark  wrote:
>
>> I’ve received 2 or 3 notices in the last couple of days about the state
>> parks re-opening. All of them indicate that “*To help keep parks safe
>> during the pandemic, visitors must bring and wear face coverings, keep a
>> six-foot distance from those outside their group and avoid gathering in
>> groups larger than five people*.”  This would  indicate that face masks
>> must even be worn on the trails! If this is correct, when temps head back
>> into the 80’s plus, they have effectively closed the parks again. Has
>> anyone verified this with TPWD?
>>
>>
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Re: [Texascavers] NASA / DARPA testing Autonomously navigated underground mapping bots

[Michael Harris]

DARPA was down at Robber Baron a few weeks ago. Our site was not picked.
They do some pretty impressive stuff.

Mike

On Fri, Feb 28, 2020, 8:31 AM Jon Cradit  wrote:

>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> DAY IN REVIEW
>
> [image: NASA JPL latest news release]
> 
>
> Robots Autonomously Navigate Underground in DARPA Challenge
> 
>
> Whether robots are exploring caves on other planets or disaster areas here
> on Earth, autonomy enables them to navigate extreme environments without
> human guidance or access to GPS.
>
> The Subterranean Challenge
> ,
> or SubT, is testing this kind of cutting-edge technology. Sponsored by the
> Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA), the contest concluded
> its second circuit on Wednesday, Feb. 27. Taking first in the competition
> was CoSTAR
> ,
> a 12-robot, 60-person team led by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory (there
> were also winners declared for a separate, virtual competition
> 
> ).
>
> SubT is divided into four circuits spread over three years. With each,
> teams program their robots to navigate a complex underground course. The
> first contest
> ,
> held last August, took place in a mine. For the most recent, called the Urban
> Circuit
> ,
> teams raced against one another in an unfinished power 

Re: [Texascavers] Photo of Honey Creek Shaft

[Michael Harris]

I have some. I'll dig them out for you.

Mike

On Mon, Jan 6, 2020, 7:43 AM Geary Schindel 
wrote:

> Folks,
>
> I'm doing some research on the use of culverts to secure cave entrances in
> overburden.
>
> Does anyone have a couple pictures of the shaft and lowering operation in
> Honey Creek Cave.
>
> Thanks,
>
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Re: [Texascavers] Robber Baron Cave

[Michael Harris]

Not exactly true since we had trips throughout the year but what can you do
about mediaf!

Mike Harris

On Mon, Sep 30, 2019, 10:04 AM Lyndon Tiu  wrote:

> And Express News had to append this at the end of each and
> every photo caption:
>
> "The cave had been closed for 18 months after a student became trapped
> and had to be rescued by firefighters."
>
> On Mon, Sep 30, 2019 at 9:51 AM Geary Schindel <
> gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org> wrote:
>
>> Folks,
>>
>> I have a caving post.
>>
>> I want to say how impressed I was with Lindsey Adamonski, Joe Mitchell,
>> and Joe Ranzau and the many many volunteers that worked on the Robber Baron
>> Open House. It was an outstanding event and incredibly well organized. Also
>> for Elaine and Rob Bissett for organizing the After Open House party and
>> degassing. I know that many cavers drove from Austin and Houston to attend
>> the event as well as all the cavers from the San Antonio area. It is always
>> great to see cavers - young and old to volunteer to support caves and
>> caving events. THANK YOU.
>>
>> I understand that more than 700 folks visited the cave, it was a major
>> fund raiser which will go back into the caving community, and that there
>> was some great outreach by many of the organizations present including the
>> TSA, Bexar Grotto, TCMA, TSP, Master Naturalists, EAA, etc. Here is a link
>> to an article in the San Antonio Express News you all may want to see.
>> https://www.expressnews.com/news/local/article/Hundreds-flock-to-Robber-Baron-to-get-rare-14475886.php
>> Make sure that you click through the photos and see the one of Mio Kitano
>> who is covered in the Express News on a regular basis (I think she needs an
>> agent).
>>
>> I've been working with some of the folks in the Huntsville area to hold a
>> similar event in Shelta Cave in Huntsville, Alabama. The Robber Baron Open
>> House is a great model.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Geary M. Schindel
>> President
>> National Speleological Society
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Re: [Texascavers] [SWR CAVERS] Special Presentation at Carlsbad Caverns today!

[Michael Harris]

A 4 hour trip from San Antonio would have been toughOK, maybe
impossible but if I would have happened to be near Carlsbad I sure would
have appreciated the heads up. Thanks for keeping us in the loop George.

Mike Harris

On Sat, Jun 8, 2019, 10:20 AM George Veni  wrote:

> I don’t see the point to this repeated criticism. I started my
> announcement with an apology for sending it at the last minute because it
> was clear that it would be too late for many people. I sent it because it
> may not be too late for some and I thought it would be good to include
> them. If my circumstances allowed me to send the announcement earlier, I
> obviously would have.
>
>
>
> If anyone has further complaints about my sharing information over lists
> designed to share information, please do so privately.
>
>
>
> George
>
>
>
> *From:* Jerry 
> *Sent:* Saturday, June 8, 2019 06:01
> *To:* George Veni ; swrcav...@googlegroups.com;
> Texascavers@texascavers.com
> *Subject:* Re: [SWR CAVERS] Special Presentation at Carlsbad Caverns
> today!
>
>
>
> Well George,
>
>
>
> If it was important, why did you give us 4 hours notice before the meeting
> ?  Even If I lived in Carlsbad, I probably wouldn't have noticed your email
> until it was either too late or had prior engagements.
>
>
>
> If you wanted to be inclusive, send meeting notices earlier.  As it was,
> it appears as a last moment "oops" or worse, just covering yourself for
> planning in reverse.
>
>
>
> I believe the Region would like to hear of Zoe's results if she is around
> during the upcoming Winter Tech. I promise we won't give her 4 hours
> notice.
>
>
>
> Jerry Atkinson.
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: George Veni 
> To: New Mexico Cavers ; Texas Cavers <
> Texascavers@texascavers.com>
> Sent: Fri, Jun 7, 2019 10:00 pm
> Subject: RE: [SWR CAVERS] Special Presentation at Carlsbad Caverns today!
>
> Why bother to post? I thought the reasons were obvious but since asked:
>
> * I don't have the e-mail address of everyone who might be interested in
> attending.
>
> * There are a notable number of people on the New Mexico and Texas e-lists
> within relatively easy travel range of Carlsbad who could make it with the
> short 4-hour advance notice I gave.
>
> * Many cavers outside of the immediate Carlsbad area travel regularly to
> Carlsbad, especially on Fridays, and they night be in the area and would
> miss announcements sent only to locals.
>
> * I believe it is important to be inclusive, not exclusive, in getting
> people news that might interest them.
>
> * I see no harm in sharing announcements, even if at the last minute, in
> case some might benefit from them.
>
> In the end, the lecture went well and the room was packed. I don't know if
> any people attended due to my announcement, but I noticed several who might
> have.
>
> George
>
> -Original Message-
> From: jerryat...@aol.com 
> Sent: Friday, June 7, 2019 15:51
> To: George Veni 
> Cc: New Mexico Cavers ; Texas Cavers <
> Texascavers@texascavers.com>
> Subject: Re: [SWR CAVERS] Special Presentation at Carlsbad Caverns today!
>
> Jeez, George. Why did you even bother to post?  Hopefully, we’ll get to
> hear more at the SWR Winter Tech.
>
> Jerry Atkinson.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jun 7, 2019, at 12:03 PM, George Veni  wrote:
> >
> > Dear Friends,
> >
> > I apologize for this last-minute notice. If you are in the Carlsbad area
> this afternoon, please consider a visit to Carlsbad Caverns National Park
> at 4 p.m. for a free public lecture by Zoë Havlena.
> >
> > Have you ever thought about the green stuff growing near lights in show
> caves? Folks call it "algae" but the proper name is "lampenflora." It is
> unsightly, damages caves, and has been a problem in need of a solution for
> over a hundred years. The National Park Service funded NCKRI to study the
> situation, and we have been working with professors and students at New
> Mexico Tech to come up with answers. Zoë's work covers the first of two
> phases of the study. Attached is flyer with details. Feel free to share
> this announcement and to come hear Zoë this afternoon and see what she has
> found.
> >
> > George
> >
> > 
> > George  Veni, PhD
> > Executive Director, National Cave and Karst Research Institute (NCKRI)
> > and President, International Union of Speleology (UIS)
> >
> > NCKRI address (primary)
> > 400-1 Cascades Avenue
> > Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220 USA
> > Office: +575-887-5517
> > Mobile: +210-863-6919
> > Fax: +575-887-5523
> > gv...@nckri.org
> > www.nckri.org
> >
> > UIS address
> > Titov trg 2
> > Postojna, 6230 Slovenia
> > www.uis-speleo.org
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Re: [Texascavers] cameras

[Michael Harris]

Great.

Mike

On Mon, Feb 18, 2019, 10:17 AM Nancy Weaver  I’ll go by today make a list of what he’s got and post that.
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Re: [Texascavers] dates for Texas Cavers Reunion 2019

[Michael Harris]

Google told be Oct 10-13.

Mike

On Thu, Jan 31, 2019, 5:27 PM Geary Schindel  Thanks,
>
>
>
> Didn’t have it on my calendar.
>
>
>
> Geary
>
>
>
> *From:* Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Crash Kennedy
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 31, 2019 2:34 PM
> *To:* CaveTex
> *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] dates for Texas Cavers Reunion 2019
>
>
>
> Months ago.  It was announced on the TCR Facebook page.  It will be the
> second weekend of October this year, due to scheduling conflicts at
> Paradise Canyon on the third weekend.
>
>
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 2:31 PM Geary Schindel <
> gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org> wrote:
>
> Folks,
>
> Have the dates for the Texas Cavers Reunion been set for 2019.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Geary
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Re: [Texascavers] Just for fun

[Michael Harris]

David,

You sure that's not a sugar cookie on your kitchen counter?

Mike Harris

On Tue, Dec 4, 2018, 1:04 AM David  NASA release this photo a few hours ago of the arrival of their probe to
> the asteroid "Bennu."
>
> To an untrained eye, it looks like a kid made a ball of sand and gravel,
> and glued it together.
>
>  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/101955_Bennu
>
> But to a caver virtual-ridgewalking over the landscape, they might notice
> at 2 o'clock a system of connecting talus-caves with each passage with a
> maximum length
> of about 10 meters, with total system length of about 25 meters.
>
> I hearby call dibs on the name of this system of talus caves as, "Bennu
> Caverns."
>
> A handful of people somewhere on Earth still believe that The Universe was
> intelligently designed.
> There is proof before your eyes, that it was very far from intelligent.
> What purpose other than
> death and destruction could a 500 meter ball of conglomerated rocks
> traveling randomly through space
> serve ??  I hope that big 50 meter size boulder is solid cretaceous
> limestone, with fossils of
> aquatic mammals life.
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Re: [Texascavers] FW: Join Us for New BSA Caving Policy & Training: "Cave Safely Cave Softly"

[Michael Harris]

You showing it at your casa?

Mike

On Thu, Nov 22, 2018, 11:01 AM Geary Schindel  FYI,
>
> Geary
>
> Cavers,
> If you take scouts caving then you NEED to watch this webinar.
>
> Cave safely
> Debbie Spoons
> NSS CaveNet webinar chair
>
>
> [cid:MVzvNbPiYMMXmuXbGcrn]
>
>
>
> New BSA Caving Policy & Training: "Cave Safely Cave Softly" Presenters:
> Allen Maddox & Debbie Spoons
>
> Join us for a webinar on Dec 04, 2018 at 8:00 PM CST, which is, 9PM EST/
> 7PM MST/ 6PM PST. Please check your time zone for correct starting time.
> Register now!<
> https://attendee.gotowebinar.com/register/5493103312601604866>
>
>
>
> Allen Maddox, NSS Youth Group Liaison Chairman and Debbie Spoons, NSS-BSA
> Liaison & BSA National Climbing & COPE Committee member will be the
> presenters.
>
> As of April 2018, BSA has a new national caving policy and training
> program called, Cave Safely Cave Softly.
>
> Cave Safely, Cave Softly is the Boy Scouts of America’s procedure for
> organizing BSA activities in commercial and noncommercial caves or lava
> tubes
>
> If you are involved with scouts and caving, then you NEED to watch this
> webinar, for the protection of the youth, yourself and your liabilities.
>
> BSA now requires that all leaders and participants that will be part of a
> BSA caving trip must read and understand the new policy and training
> information.
>
> We will discuss the details of a “qualified trip leader, what age groups
> are allowed to enter a wild cave, how many “qualified trip leaders” are
> required for each group, the requirements for horizontal VS vertical caves,
> etc.
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Re: [Texascavers] Join Us for World Speleology: The International Union of Speleology and the NSS. Presenter: George Veni

[Michael Harris]

Your doing better Geary...but what is "the body of the test"

Your not doing well with 4 letter words. I can come over and we can
practice. I know some good ones.

Mike

On Wed, Aug 15, 2018, 4:47 PM Geary Schindel 
wrote:

> Folks,
>
> As has been pointed out to me, George’s name was misspelled in the subject
> area. The correct spelling is George Veni.
>
> As you all realize, Veni is an unusual name and spell check doesn’t like
> it. I think we got it right in the body of the test. The person that sent
> me the link indicated that she had caught the misspellings but guess she
> didn’t catch them all. I really had to look again to find it and then saw
> it in the subject area. Anyway, I’ll check with George about possibly
> auctioning off renaming rights to help support NCKRI. Might make it easier
> for everyone – including George.
>
> Geary Schindel
>
>
> Have you ever wondered about international caving projects and how to be a
> part of them?? Our next webinar will be given by George Veni, the President
> of the International Union of Speleology (UIS). George will explain the
> UIS, its mission and how you can be involved!
>
>
> Please forward this email to your friends and anyone that may be
> interested, and join us for our next great webinar.
>
>
>
> Cave safely,
> Debbie Spoons
> NSS Webinar Chair
>
>
> 
>
>
> World Speleology: The International Union of Speleology (UIS) and the NSS.
> Presenter: George Veni President of the UIS
> Join us for a webinar on Sep 18, 2018 at 8:00 PM CDT, which is, 9PM EDT/
> 7PM MDT/ 6PM PDT. Please check your time zone for the correct starting time.
> Register now!<
> https://attendee.gotowebinar.com/register/5778327621725957121>
>
>
> Cavers know about caving opportunities and needs in their area. Many have
> a pretty good idea of what’s happening nationally, but what about caving at
> the global level?
> Does it even affect you?
> Can you get involved, and if so, how?
>
> The International Union of Speleology (abbreviated “UIS”) is essentially
> the United Nations of caving. It is composed of 54 member nations, working
> together to advance cave and karst research and management, and especially
> exploration, which makes everything else possible. The NSS represents the
> US to the UIS.
>
> This webinar will give you the basic background on the UIS and focus on
> its many projects around the world, how they merge with the goals of the
> NSS, and how you can join them—even without leaving home.
> For a pre-webinar preview of the UIS, visit www.uis-speleo.org<
> http://www.uis-speleo.org>.
>
> George Veni is a long-time caver and lifetime NSS member who has been
> active in many NSS and regional caving projects. For nearly the past 12
> years he has been best known as the Executive Director of the National Cave
> and Karst Research Institute, (NCKRI). Since 2002 he has served on the UIS
> Bureau (governing board), first as an Adjunct Secretary, and then eight
> years as the Vice President of Administration. For the past year George has
> served as the only, UIS President from the USA.
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Re: [Texascavers] Just reminiscing - part 1 of 3

[Michael Harris via Texascavers]

It must have been a very fuzzy memory because 1989 was 28 years ago.

Mike Harris

On Dec 24, 2017 5:26 PM, "Mark Minton via Texascavers" <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> Rolf Adams was a fantastic caver and all around really nice guy. I had the
> pleasure of caving with him several times, including at Cueva Cheve in
> 1989. There is a photo of Rolf, Noel Sloan and me on the cover of the NSS
> history book "Caving in America". We were supposed to represent "modern"
> cavers, as compared to the other photo on the cover showing cavers from
> 1940. Ironically, at that time none of the three of us were NSS members.
> Rolf was Australian and not a member; I had not yet joined, and Noel's
> membership had lapsed. (The book is no longer available from the NSS, but
> it is on eBay:  of-the-National-Spelelogical-Society-1991-/151917519053>.)
>
>
> Mark Minton
>
> mmin...@caver.net
>
> On Sun, 24 Dec, 2017 at 5:11 PM, David via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
> To: CaveTex
> Cc: dlocklea...@gmail.com
> A personal story from David Locklear from December of 1989.
> ( a very fuzzy memory from 18 years ago)
>
> I have ever told this whole story - at least not in detail - just in parts.
>
> Background:   Australian caver Rolf Adams ( who would later drown in
> Florida scuba training for a caving expedition ) was hanging out in Austin
> semi-permanently caving full-time..  He had finished his math studies at a
> university in Australia and had climbed El Capitan and sone lots of
> caving.He was the most technical caver that I had ever met, and I
> assumed he could lead or climb as good as Alejandro Villagomez.   He and I
> had caved previously once over Thanksgiving in The El Cielo, mostly
> ridgewalking camping, swimming and taking in the Huastecan culture.
>
> [ Sidenote:   I actually sincerely believed his name was Wallaby Adams
> until reading his obituary in the NSS News two years later. ]
>
> In November of 89, I was laid-off from a civil engineering company where I
> worked drafting on mylar with ink pens. and Leroy set roads ( new suburban
> boulevards ).   I had never been laid off.   In those days, unlike today, I
> was a total moron, and I had no earthly idea what it meant to be laid off.
>  In my case, I had an extreme stroke of luck ( for once ) in that when I
> arrived at The Texas Unemployment Office, my bosse's boss was in line right
> next to me.
>
> So I left Houston and went to the UT Grotto meeting.   ( In those days,
> still being an A.S.S. caver, I referred to it as the "t.u. Grotto." )
>
> Rolf was there with his girlfriend from Australia.  He introduced her as
> Dr. Anne Gray.She was a cute blonde with long frizzy hair about 25
> years old.   [I think this might be her on Facebook
>
> https://www.facebook.com/anne.gray.144 ]
>
> Rolf announced he was heading on a ridgewalking adventure near Tehuacan,
> Puebla in search of the highest cave entrance in the western hemisphere.
>
> I think our remote spot is now a tourist site:
>
> San Bernardino Lagunas
> Vicente Guerrero, Puebla, Mexico
>
> https://goo.gl/maps/Zer3ueTFVt32
>
> Some Austin cavers found a tiny yellow beat-up Datsun pickup with
> camper-shell on the back.
>
> Rolf was content to have me tag along, but unknown to me, his girlfriend
> had possibly been wanting a simple quite trip with just the two of them.
>  She did not know me at all, like Rolf did.  And she and I never hit it
> off.   In hindsight, I should have bailed on them, at some point before
> reaching Puebla.
> But they had no business travelling alone like that where they were going.
>
> Maybe to be continued
>
> Feel free to correct me, or add to Part One, if you knew Rolf or Anne.
>
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Re: [Texascavers] New Mexico gear restrictions

[Michael Harris]

Like I said, all we can do is try our best.

Mike



Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note5, an AT 4G LTE smartphone


 Original message 
From: Robert B 
Date: 4/26/17 15:40 (GMT-06:00)
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] New Mexico gear restrictions

I like meaningful discussions on this list serve and think it enhances our 
understanding of different topics and viewpoints

and I encourage the respectful dialog of PD in Texas

I just want everybody to know that the White Nose Syndrome Protocol for the 
2017 Convention of the National Speleological Society was not some arbitrary 
decision
Its just the best the NSS can do and follow the rules set forth by the NFS NPS 
and BLM

So with that said, Mike Harris and you have valid points.
PD could be in the seat covers and carpets of our caving vehicles
and Childress County Texas is a hell of a long way away from Culberson or El 
Paso Counties

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 3:05 PM, Joe Ranzau 
> wrote:
Rob -

While I don't feel singled out I do think the definition of Texas as the area 
is arbitrary.  We are different in size than say those states back east.  While 
I'm absolutely not an expert, it is my understanding that the researchers did 
monitoring of our typical caves in central and parts of west texas without 
finding the fungus.  Meaning our area is not yet a known local.

For perspective, I drove to college station on monday.  On Tuesday, I drove out 
east for an hour less and crossed into three different states, Virginia, 
Maryland and Delaware, with Pennsylvania being less than 5 miles away from 
where I stopped.  Meaning, state lines might be relevant for some areas but 
perhaps Texas is special, we certainly like to think we are anyway...

Thanks for listening,

Joe


On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 2:45 PM, Robert B 
> wrote:
Texas Cavers are not being singled out... The ban applies to all cavers and 
gear that have ever been in an area with PD.

Please read the official White Nose Syndrome Protocol for the 2017 Convention 
of the National Speleological Society link below

http://nss2017.caves.org/NSS2017_WNS_Protocol.pdf

Note:  Most of the 2017 Convention Caves are located on land managed by the 
National Park Service, the Bureau of Land Management, and the U.S. Forest 
Service. These agencies have policies prohibiting the use of gear from a 
WNS-positive area; the 2017 Convention is adhering to those policies.

I appreciate and recognize some of the topics regarding the particulars of this 
ban.
Example: what constitutes "gear" exactly.
Example: Many Texas Cavers have never caved in North Texas where PD has been 
discovered.
However, one must also recognize that the research teams locating PD in Texas 
have not looked exactly how far south PD might have traveled.
Hence the blanket Ban

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Joe Ranzau 
> wrote:
Would it solve the arbitrary ban on all Texas gear if I decided to cave nekkid 
at convention?

In all seriousness, decon protocols and a reasonable ban on contaminated gear 
makes sense.  A blanket ban on all Texas gear doesn't, folks seem to forget 
that state boundaries are political and have little practical relevance to the 
spread of something found in a remote and rarely caved in portion of the state. 
 It's like saying no US gear is welcome in Mexico (hyperbole, I know).

Before I'm jumped, I appreciate all that everyone is doing to host convention, 
protect our bat friends and manage government agencies that would just as 
easily close caves as deal with these issues.

I'm just asking for some common sense consideration or more elaboration on the 
reasoning.

Joe

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 1:13 PM, Allan Cobb 
> wrote:
If you have ever caved nekkid in Texas, you will not be allowed to cave nekkid 
in New Mexico.

Allan

On 4/26/2017 12:52 PM, Stefan Creaser wrote:
Cave nekkid, I say...

Stefan Creaser
Staff Design Engineer; Physical Design Group; ARM
5707 Southwest Parkway, Bldg 1, Suite 100, Austin, TX 78735, USA.
Direct: +1-512-314-1012, Internal: 11012.
Email: stefan.crea...@arm.com. Skype: 
stefan_creaser


-Original Message-
From: Texascavers 
[mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com]
 On Behalf Of John Kerr
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 12:47 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] New Mexico gear restrictions

So no clothing, footwear, lights, rope, vertical gear, packs, camping 
equipment, etc. that has ever been in a Texas cave should be brought to New 
Mexico at all, let alone go underground.

Some people may be sporting entirely new wardrobes. ;-)

John Kerr

Re: [Texascavers] New Mexico gear restrictions

[Michael Harris]

There is also that dreaded trunk that all that Texas gear rode in on all those 
caving trips. No we'll get new gear and toss it into the same trunk or back 
seat of the car. This isn't totally flawless. We just need to do our best.

Mike Harris



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 Original message 
From: Joe Ranzau 
Date: 4/26/17 13:58 (GMT-06:00)
To: Cavers Texas 
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] New Mexico gear restrictions

Would it solve the arbitrary ban on all Texas gear if I decided to cave nekkid 
at convention?

In all seriousness, decon protocols and a reasonable ban on contaminated gear 
makes sense.  A blanket ban on all Texas gear doesn't, folks seem to forget 
that state boundaries are political and have little practical relevance to the 
spread of something found in a remote and rarely caved in portion of the state. 
 It's like saying no US gear is welcome in Mexico (hyperbole, I know).

Before I'm jumped, I appreciate all that everyone is doing to host convention, 
protect our bat friends and manage government agencies that would just as 
easily close caves as deal with these issues.

I'm just asking for some common sense consideration or more elaboration on the 
reasoning.

Joe

On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 1:13 PM, Allan Cobb 
> wrote:
If you have ever caved nekkid in Texas, you will not be allowed to cave nekkid 
in New Mexico.

Allan

On 4/26/2017 12:52 PM, Stefan Creaser wrote:
Cave nekkid, I say...

Stefan Creaser
Staff Design Engineer; Physical Design Group; ARM
5707 Southwest Parkway, Bldg 1, Suite 100, Austin, TX 78735, USA.
Direct: +1-512-314-1012, Internal: 11012.
Email: stefan.crea...@arm.com. Skype: 
stefan_creaser


-Original Message-
From: Texascavers 
[mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com]
 On Behalf Of John Kerr
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2017 12:47 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] New Mexico gear restrictions

So no clothing, footwear, lights, rope, vertical gear, packs, camping 
equipment, etc. that has ever been in a Texas cave should be brought to New 
Mexico at all, let alone go underground.

Some people may be sporting entirely new wardrobes. ;-)

John Kerr
jck...@gmail.com

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 24, 2017, at 7:24 AM, Jacqueline Thomas 
> wrote:

You bet, Mark. It was your question regarding how long ago? that prompted folks 
to ask me to pass on the latest through the remailer. Jacq.


J. LaRue Thomas
jlrtho...@verizon.net


On Apr 24, 2017, at 6:44 AM, mark gee 
> wrote:

Thanks Jacqui



On Saturday, April 22, 2017 10:35 PM, Jacqueline Thomas 
> wrote:


I just got home from the Spring Convention for the Southwest Region and I said 
I would post the gear update since Pd has been identified in Texas:

No Texas gear that has been in a Texas cave can come to New Mexico. We all 
either need new, dedicated gear for NM or we need to borrow New Mexico gear 
when we get there. There is no safe date (as in, “I haven’t caved with this 
gear for 3 years”).

And so it goes. Jacqui


J. LaRue Thomas
jlrtho...@verizon.net


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Re: [Texascavers] sort of cave related

[Michael Harris]

I believe it was at the Grand Canyon.

From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
David
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 9:48 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] sort of cave related

A woman and her grandson fell into a creek in Arizona and were washed 
downstream and their whereabouts are unknown.

According to the news story, the family hopes the two are alive and that they 
found a cave to shelter in.

I presume they mean one of the rock shelters along the bank of the creek.

The woman is the wife of the founder of Merrell Boot Company.
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Re: [Texascavers] Reminder - Brown Bag Presentation on Wednesday, Dr. Soriano will present A Walk Through Sinkholes in the Central Ebro Basin at 11:55 am on Wednesday, February 8 at the EAA

[Michael Harris via Texascavers]

Oops. sorry

From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Michael Harris via Texascavers
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Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Reminder - Brown Bag Presentation on Wednesday, Dr. 
Soriano will present A Walk Through Sinkholes in the Central Ebro Basin at 
11:55 am on Wednesday, February 8 at the EAA

Would love to but I have to attend a retirement luncheon today.

Mike

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Geary Schindel via Texascavers
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Subject: [Texascavers] Reminder - Brown Bag Presentation on Wednesday, Dr. 
Soriano will present A Walk Through Sinkholes in the Central Ebro Basin at 
11:55 am on Wednesday, February 8 at the EAA


Edwards Aquifer Philosophical Society -

aka brown bag luncheon


Wednesday, February 8, 2017 at 11:55 A.M. .

A Walk Through Sinkholes in the Central Ebro Basin

By Dr. María Asunción Soriano


At

Edwards Aquifer Authority
Training Room
900 E Quincy Street, San Antonio, TX 78215


Dr. María Asunción Soriano, Profesor Titular (Associate Professor) of 
Geodinámica Externa at the Universidad de Zaragoza will present a talk titled 
"A Walk Through Sinkholes in the Central Ebro Basin. The presentation will 
occur on Wednesday, February 8, 2017 from 11:55 A.M. to 12:55 P.M. in the 
Training Room at the Edwards Aquifer Authority, 900 E. Quincy Street, San 
Antonio, Texas. These are informal presentations so please feel free to bring 
your lunch. You may also contact the EAA at 210.222.2204 or 
www.edwardsaquifer.org<http://www.edwardsaquifer.org/> for additional 
directions.

If you are traveling a long distance for the talk, I would recommend that you 
call our receptionist at 210.222.2204 that morning to make sure that the talk 
is still scheduled.  On very rare occasions, we have had to cancel or move the 
talk.  I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.

Abstract

The central Ebro Basin is an exceptional region for studying karstification. 
Miocene evaporites are covered by alluvial deposits (Quaternary in age) and, 
consequently, a mantled karst is profusely developed. In this scenario, 
sinkholes have been developing since the Early Pleistocene until today. Present 
sinkholes are one of the main geohazards in this region. They are causing a lot 
of damage and economic loss especially in urban areas. Human activities, mainly 
irrigation, contribute to the development of these sinkholes. Application of 
research with diverse geophysical devices provides a better delimitation of 
risky urban areas. In addition, Pleistocene detrital deposits of the central 
Ebro Basin frequently present deformation features (both syn- and 
postsedimentary) traditionally attributed to karstification. The increase of 
urban areas in past years caused plenty of civil works and subsequent 
activities in quarries. Consequently, a high number of excellent artificial 
outcrops (up to 20 m in height) exposing Quaternary deposits and also Miocene 
deposits have been generated. The study of these paleodeformation structures 
(interpreted as paleosinkholes, in most cases) provides different pieces of 
information about: 1) the diverse processes involved in its genesis, 2) the 
evolutionary stages, 3) when dating, the length of time activity of the 
paleosinkhole, 4) the presence of anomalous sediments in the general 
sedimentary context, 5) the preservation of fine sediments that without 
sinkholes will be eroded. Comparison of patterns between paleo and present 
sinkhole are similar and, for this reason, the study of paleosinkholes can help 
to a better urban planning.

Biography

Dr. María Asunción SORIANO, obtained her Bachelor and PhD. in Geology both from 
the University of Zaragoza in Spain. She is Profesor Titular (Associate 
Professor) of Geodinámica Externa at the Universidad de Zaragoza, where she 
teaches Geology, Geomorphology and Remote Sensing applied to Geology.

Her main research interests are on Geomorphology, mainly of the Ebro Basin and 
Iberian Range (Spain). She elaborated detailed mapping of these areas. She also 
accomplished detailed studies of Holocene deposits in gullies, as well as in 
Neotectonics of Tertiary and Quaternary deposits in the Ebro Basin and Iberian 
Range, in some cases using Remote Sensing images.

But her main research topic is the study of karst in the central Ebro Basin. 
Present sinkholes are one of the main geohazards in this area and 
geomorphological and geophysical tools have been used in their study. 
Paleosinkholes are also numerous and in the last years this is a main target of 
her research.

She carried out several research projects as principal researcher and 
researcher. She als

Re: [Texascavers] Reminder - Brown Bag Presentation on Wednesday, Dr. Soriano will present A Walk Through Sinkholes in the Central Ebro Basin at 11:55 am on Wednesday, February 8 at the EAA

[Michael Harris via Texascavers]

Would love to but I have to attend a retirement luncheon today.

Mike

From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Geary Schindel via Texascavers
Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2017 8:14 AM
To: 'texascavers@texascavers.com' ; 
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Subject: [Texascavers] Reminder - Brown Bag Presentation on Wednesday, Dr. 
Soriano will present A Walk Through Sinkholes in the Central Ebro Basin at 
11:55 am on Wednesday, February 8 at the EAA


Edwards Aquifer Philosophical Society -

aka brown bag luncheon


Wednesday, February 8, 2017 at 11:55 A.M. .

A Walk Through Sinkholes in the Central Ebro Basin

By Dr. María Asunción Soriano


At

Edwards Aquifer Authority
Training Room
900 E Quincy Street, San Antonio, TX 78215


Dr. María Asunción Soriano, Profesor Titular (Associate Professor) of 
Geodinámica Externa at the Universidad de Zaragoza will present a talk titled 
"A Walk Through Sinkholes in the Central Ebro Basin. The presentation will 
occur on Wednesday, February 8, 2017 from 11:55 A.M. to 12:55 P.M. in the 
Training Room at the Edwards Aquifer Authority, 900 E. Quincy Street, San 
Antonio, Texas. These are informal presentations so please feel free to bring 
your lunch. You may also contact the EAA at 210.222.2204 or 
www.edwardsaquifer.org for additional 
directions.

If you are traveling a long distance for the talk, I would recommend that you 
call our receptionist at 210.222.2204 that morning to make sure that the talk 
is still scheduled.  On very rare occasions, we have had to cancel or move the 
talk.  I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.

Abstract

The central Ebro Basin is an exceptional region for studying karstification. 
Miocene evaporites are covered by alluvial deposits (Quaternary in age) and, 
consequently, a mantled karst is profusely developed. In this scenario, 
sinkholes have been developing since the Early Pleistocene until today. Present 
sinkholes are one of the main geohazards in this region. They are causing a lot 
of damage and economic loss especially in urban areas. Human activities, mainly 
irrigation, contribute to the development of these sinkholes. Application of 
research with diverse geophysical devices provides a better delimitation of 
risky urban areas. In addition, Pleistocene detrital deposits of the central 
Ebro Basin frequently present deformation features (both syn- and 
postsedimentary) traditionally attributed to karstification. The increase of 
urban areas in past years caused plenty of civil works and subsequent 
activities in quarries. Consequently, a high number of excellent artificial 
outcrops (up to 20 m in height) exposing Quaternary deposits and also Miocene 
deposits have been generated. The study of these paleodeformation structures 
(interpreted as paleosinkholes, in most cases) provides different pieces of 
information about: 1) the diverse processes involved in its genesis, 2) the 
evolutionary stages, 3) when dating, the length of time activity of the 
paleosinkhole, 4) the presence of anomalous sediments in the general 
sedimentary context, 5) the preservation of fine sediments that without 
sinkholes will be eroded. Comparison of patterns between paleo and present 
sinkhole are similar and, for this reason, the study of paleosinkholes can help 
to a better urban planning.

Biography

Dr. María Asunción SORIANO, obtained her Bachelor and PhD. in Geology both from 
the University of Zaragoza in Spain. She is Profesor Titular (Associate 
Professor) of Geodinámica Externa at the Universidad de Zaragoza, where she 
teaches Geology, Geomorphology and Remote Sensing applied to Geology.

Her main research interests are on Geomorphology, mainly of the Ebro Basin and 
Iberian Range (Spain). She elaborated detailed mapping of these areas. She also 
accomplished detailed studies of Holocene deposits in gullies, as well as in 
Neotectonics of Tertiary and Quaternary deposits in the Ebro Basin and Iberian 
Range, in some cases using Remote Sensing images.

But her main research topic is the study of karst in the central Ebro Basin. 
Present sinkholes are one of the main geohazards in this area and 
geomorphological and geophysical tools have been used in their study. 
Paleosinkholes are also numerous and in the last years this is a main target of 
her research.

She carried out several research projects as principal researcher and 
researcher. She also developed several contracts with private and public 
companies. Dr. Soriano published more than one hundred of scientific papers in 
journals and conference proceedings.

Thank you.

Geary


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Geary Schindel

Director/CTO, Aquifer Science



www.edwardsaquifer.org



210.222.2204 ext 346


900 E Quincy
San Antonio, TX 78215

Re: [Texascavers] Devils Sinkhole 1970 - Vertical Caving Technique

[Michael Harris via Texascavers]

That milled aluminum rack looked scary!

Mike Harris

-Original Message-
From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Terry Holsinger via Texascavers
Sent: Tuesday, September 27, 2016 4:53 PM
To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Devils Sinkhole 1970 - Vertical Caving Technique

Steve Bittinger posted this video (a good 16mm to digital conversion) to 
YouTube, no sound and 6:28 min long, and fun

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYpSHAi-mcg

"Published on Mar 3, 2016

Craig Bittinger and Neal Morris were high-school aged members of the Texas A 
Speleological Society in Kingsville, Texas at the time this film was made in 
about 1970. Tom Rankin, another member and the film's creator, was posted at 
that time at the local Navy air base. The 16mm original of the film passed to 
Dr. Stanley Bittinger, and then to Steve Bittinger, who created this digital 
version from the original. 
The film demonstrates early vertical caving techniques and equipment, such as 
abseiling with a whaletail as well as the more widely used carabiners and 
brakebars. Craig Bittinger demonstrates an early version of "rope walking" 
using jumars, and Neil Morris demonstrates the "inch worm" system using 
ascender knots. Modern vertical caving equipment, technique and focus on safety 
have evolved considerably since this film was made."
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Re: [Texascavers] 1857 Cave Reference

[Michael Harris via Texascavers]

There are numerous shelter caves with pictographs on several properties in that 
entire area. The Rock Art Foundation has created and preserved landowner 
relations to make tours available to RAF members.

Mike Harris
Bexar Grotto



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 Original message 
From: Mike Flannigan via Texascavers 
Date: 9/18/16 21:07 (GMT-06:00)
To: Cavetex 
Subject: [Texascavers] 1857 Cave Reference


Here is an 1857 reference to a cave:

http://www.raremaps.com/gallery/detail/48051?affiliate=email-ra
Click on the map and look at the Langtry area
where the "Painted Caves" are noted on the map.

I believe the cave location shown is incorrect.  I think
the caves are on the Pecos river a little east of Langtry,
but I could be wrong.


Mike

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Re: [Texascavers] Robber Baron Open House - April 9

[Michael Harris via Texascavers]

I'm good to go. Trying to recruit the Jaseks to help with photos.

Mike



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 Original message 
From: Joe & Evelynn Mitchell via Texascavers 
Date: 2/15/2016 20:54 (GMT-06:00)
To: Texas Cavers 
Subject: [Texascavers] Robber Baron Open House - April 9

The next Open House for Robber Baron Cave on scheduled for Saturday, April 9 
and volunteers are needed! This is a big fundraiser for TCMA and we need help 
for taking and selling photographs, registration, selling t-shirts, selling 
concessions, distributing and collecting gear, and of course, a big crew of 
volunteers to camp out in the cave and make sure our visitors don't wander off. 
(Cave volunteers must have their own gear.) If you can participate and there is 
a particular job you would like to do, please e-mail Evelynn, who is serving as 
volunteer coordinator, at evel...@satx.rr.com. If 
you are just interested in helping and don't care what you do, let her know 
that too. Thanks everyone!

Joe Mitchell
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Re: [Texascavers] D Trip Leader Needed in March

[Michael Harris via Texascavers]

Sorry, that's Easter. Probably tough to find someone.

Mike

From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of DON 
ARBURN via Texascavers
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 4:47 PM
To: TSA Cavers
Subject: [Texascavers] D Trip Leader Needed in March

Texas A Corpus Christi Rec group is scheduled for March 27 and their usual 
trip leader will be out of the country. Can I get a volunteer, please?
DON ARBURN
donarb...@me.com

Preserve Manager
Deep & Punkin Caves Nature Preserve
Texas Cave Management Association

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Re: [Texascavers] used sheet metal roofing up for grab

[Michael Harris via Texascavers]

I would be happy with 10 sheets.

Mike



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 Original message 
From: Andy Gluesenkamp via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: 08/29/2015 08:52 (GMT-06:00)
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] used sheet metal roofing up for grab

Do y'all need all of it?  I need about 480sf.
Andy

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 29, 2015, at 8:24 AM, via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.commailto:texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:

I contacted him off list first but still have not heard back

Galen Falgout

On Aug 28, 2015, at 10:42 PM, Michael Harris via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.commailto:texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:

I contacted Bill off list like he requested but I think Galan also beat me to 
it.

Mike



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 Original message 
From: via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.commailto:texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: 08/28/2015 21:52 (GMT-06:00)
To: texascavers@texascavers.commailto:texascavers@texascavers.com, Jim 
Kennedy cavercr...@gmail.commailto:cavercr...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] used sheet metal roofing up for grab

Jim I called it first

Galen Falgout

On Aug 28, 2015, at 9:30 PM, Jim Kennedy via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.commailto:texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:

 Me, please!  At least some of it. I'm siding the garage. I can get it 
 tomorrow.

 Jim

 Mobile email from my iPhone

 On Aug 28, 2015, at 8:15 PM, Mixon Bill via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.commailto:texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:

 I have ~1500 sq ft of used sheet-metal roofing for whoever wants it. It is 
 in galvanized sheets 14 by 3 feet, not rusty. Could be used for privacy 
 fence, shed or barn walls, or even roofing if screw holes plugged or reused. 
 Could be hauled on my trailer to destination in Austin area. Contact me off 
 list (address below). -- Mixon
 
 True bravery is shown by performing without witnesses what one might be 
 capable of doing before all the world.
 
 You may reply to the address this message
 (unless it's a TexasCavers list post)
 came from, but for long-term use, save:
 Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edumailto:bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu
 AMCS: a...@mexicancaves.orgmailto:a...@mexicancaves.org or 
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Re: [Texascavers] used sheet metal roofing up for grab

[Michael Harris via Texascavers]

I contacted Bill off list like he requested but I think Galan also beat me to 
it.

Mike



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From: via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: 08/28/2015 21:52 (GMT-06:00)
To: texascavers@texascavers.com, Jim Kennedy cavercr...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] used sheet metal roofing up for grab

Jim I called it first

Galen Falgout

On Aug 28, 2015, at 9:30 PM, Jim Kennedy via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:

 Me, please!  At least some of it. I'm siding the garage. I can get it 
 tomorrow.

 Jim

 Mobile email from my iPhone

 On Aug 28, 2015, at 8:15 PM, Mixon Bill via Texascavers 
 texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:

 I have ~1500 sq ft of used sheet-metal roofing for whoever wants it. It is 
 in galvanized sheets 14 by 3 feet, not rusty. Could be used for privacy 
 fence, shed or barn walls, or even roofing if screw holes plugged or reused. 
 Could be hauled on my trailer to destination in Austin area. Contact me off 
 list (address below). -- Mixon
 
 True bravery is shown by performing without witnesses what one might be 
 capable of doing before all the world.
 
 You may reply to the address this message
 (unless it's a TexasCavers list post)
 came from, but for long-term use, save:
 Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu
 AMCS: a...@mexicancaves.org or sa...@mexicancaves.org

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Re: [Texascavers] [Texas Cavers Reunion 2015]

[Michael Harris via Texascavers]

You said clowns twicenow I'm scared.



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 Original message 
From: Don Arburn via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: 07/22/2015 21:42 (GMT-06:00)
To: TSA Cavers List texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] [Texas Cavers Reunion 2015]

Only 85 days left until the 2015 Texas Cavers Reunion at Paradise Canyon below 
Medina Lake!

The event begins when I open the park around noon on Thursday, October 15. 
Currently there is good water flow at Paradise Canyon and Red has made many 
improvements to it and it looks really nice. There should be more portapotties 
and ice to sell. Along with the usual activities of swimming, relaxing and 
socializing there will be vendors, CaveSim, rope climbing, mud wrestling, 
surveying, Speleolympics, door prizes, live music, parading, clowns, flirting, 
camping, wine tasting, giggling, slide shows, food, hot tubbing, hammocking, 
tubing, fishing, costumes, late nights, early meetings, memberships, 
fellowships, napping, cooking, smiling, beverages, clowns, books, stories, 
nudity, lies, Aggies, sashaying, laughing, stumbling, beer, hugs, handshakes, 
guffaws, breakfast tacos, kissing, well behaved dogs, stupid grins (ok, that's 
just me), pointing, registering, planning, discussing, reminiscing, sauna-ing, 
friends, photographing, Cavers, dishwashing and hopefully showering.

Like usual, well behaved pets  children are welcome, PLEASE be sure to pick up 
after them. Fighting dogs or people and thieves will be dealt with harshly, for 
our amusement, then banished.

Traditionally the south end of the campground is the quiet end and the dam nude 
end is a tad louder. Sadly, the rule still stands about percussion musical 
instruments at the hot tub end. The Doo-Dah parade has a Circus theme this 
year, and naturally there will be prizes for the favorite costume!

Bring your favorite camp chairs, hammocks, inner tubes, kayaks, bicycles, 
bedding, tents, refreshments, snacks, cold beverages, climbing gear and survey 
instruments. Don't forget, bring a good attitude and a smile! See you there!

--Ringmaster Don
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Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2015 Survey

[Michael Harris via Texascavers]

I prefer the week before. The 15 had a lot of conflicting events for me. PC is 
as good as any.

Mike


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 Original message 
From: Don Arburn via Texascavers
Date:01/07/2015 10:31 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: TSA Cavers List
Subject: [Texascavers] TCR 2015 Survey

Ok, Cavers, I'm starting to think about this upcoming TCR, locations and dates. 
Paradise Canyon called me yesterday, and asked me to ask around and spread the 
word that if we have any need for a meeting site, he'd be happy to help. We all 
like PC, but they still have no water. It's not a deal killer. It's an option 
for TSA, TCMA and TCR.
How do y'all feel about this site?

Next is the date. There have been several traditional weekends and many 
suggestions etc. I've penciled in the weekend of October 15-18 as a target date.
How do y'all feel about that?


--Don
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Re: [Texascavers] [AM February DP trip]

[Michael Harris via Texascavers]

What's the mission?

Mike


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 Original message 
From: Don Arburn via Texascavers
Date:12/22/2014 3:29 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: TSA Cavers List
Subject: [Texascavers] [AM February DP trip]

You have 24 hours to contact me about a tentative DPCNP trip for February.


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Re: [Texascavers] Petzl Ecrin Roc Climbing Helmet...

[Michael Harris via Texascavers]

Did you ever sell the helmet?

Mike Harris
Bexar Grotto


From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
James Brown via Texascavers
Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 3:08 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Petzl Ecrin Roc Climbing Helmet...

...for sale, used, Red, $30.
James

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Re: [Texascavers] Texas Cavers online

[Michael Harris via Texascavers]

I would love a copy.

Mike Harris 
mhar...@schertz.com
Bexar Grotto

-Original Message-
From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Mike Flannigan via Texascavers
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 3:32 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Texas Cavers online


I downloaded most of them more than a year ago.  I just updated with the one I 
was missing and I now have
411 files (4.1 GB).  If anybody wants them in
~10 large zip file links, let me know.


Mike



On 11/7/2014 11:00 AM, via Texascavers wrote:
 For those who don't already know:

 Texas Cavers from v1 n1 through v59 n1 (1955-2013) have been scanned 
 and put on-line by the Karst Information Portal 
 athttp://www.karstportal.org/taxonomy/term/1025

 The scans are a bit inexpertly done, but adequate. Someone ought to 
 download all 397 issues so that that TSA and the TSS have their own 
 copies of the files for archiving. Should there be a link to these on 
 the TSA web site? (Maybe this is already dealt with on the Member 
 Login page. I haven't signed up for on-line access.)
 -- Mixon

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Re: [Texascavers] Devils River State Natural Area trip anouncement - November 8-9, 2014 :

[Michael Harris via Texascavers]

Thanks,

Michael Harris
mhar...@schertz.com



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 Original message 
From: via Texascavers
Date:09/19/2014 1:08 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Devils River State Natural Area trip anouncement - 
November 8-9, 2014 :

You're on the list to go.

Jerry.

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On Sep 18, 2014, at 5:10 AM, Michael Harris via Texascavers 
texascavers@texascavers.commailto:texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:

I'm in.

Michael Harris
Bexar Grotto
(210) 488-4222


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 Original message 
From: Jerry via Texascavers
Date:09/18/2014 1:57 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: Texascavers@texascavers.commailto:Texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Devils River State Natural Area trip anouncement - 
November 8-9, 2014 :

Devils River State Natural Area (Satan Unit) Karst Project -- November 8-9, 2014

The Texas Speleological Survey will be conducting a karst survey trip at the 
Big Satan Unit of the Devils River State Natural Area in Val Verde County, 
Texas.  The approximately 18,000-acre park contains a number of known cave and 
karst features that have not been adequately explored, surveyed, or inventoried 
for their resource potential. In addition to the known karst features in the 
park, the area has excellent potential for new discoveries. The area consists 
of an upland plateau that is dissected by several steep-sided and relatively 
deep canyons that are covered with rather vicious vegetation. We do have the 
use of a cabin with limited bedding and amenities, so most folks will need to 
plan on camping. High clearance vehicles are needed for traveling the back 
roads in the park and several miles of strenuous hiking are required to reach 
some of the caves and karst features. The park has several miles of riverfront 
on the Devils River affording some excellent swimming opportunities.

The trip will be November 8-9th, 2014. As this will be our second project trip 
to the park, the number of folks participating will be kept low until all 
logistical issues have been worked out. We anticipate that there will be a 
number of trips to the park over the next year or two.

If you are interested in participating on the November trip, please email me 
and I'll put you on the list. We'll probably have more than enough volunteers 
so I'll be keeping a backup list in case there are any cancellations.  Please 
contact me if you have any questions.

Hope to see you out there!

Jerry Atkinson - Project Coordinator
Texas Speleological Survey

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Re: [Texascavers] Devils River State Natural Area trip anouncement - November 8-9, 2014 :

[Michael Harris via Texascavers]

I'm in.

Michael Harris
Bexar Grotto
(210) 488-4222


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 Original message 
From: Jerry via Texascavers
Date:09/18/2014 1:57 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Devils River State Natural Area trip anouncement - 
November 8-9, 2014 :

Devils River State Natural Area (Satan Unit) Karst Project -- November 8-9, 2014

The Texas Speleological Survey will be conducting a karst survey trip at the 
Big Satan Unit of the Devils River State Natural Area in Val Verde County, 
Texas.  The approximately 18,000-acre park contains a number of known cave and 
karst features that have not been adequately explored, surveyed, or inventoried 
for their resource potential. In addition to the known karst features in the 
park, the area has excellent potential for new discoveries. The area consists 
of an upland plateau that is dissected by several steep-sided and relatively 
deep canyons that are covered with rather vicious vegetation. We do have the 
use of a cabin with limited bedding and amenities, so most folks will need to 
plan on camping. High clearance vehicles are needed for traveling the back 
roads in the park and several miles of strenuous hiking are required to reach 
some of the caves and karst features. The park has several miles of riverfront 
on the Devils River affording some excellent swimming opportunities.

The trip will be November 8-9th, 2014. As this will be our second project trip 
to the park, the number of folks participating will be kept low until all 
logistical issues have been worked out. We anticipate that there will be a 
number of trips to the park over the next year or two.

If you are interested in participating on the November trip, please email me 
and I'll put you on the list. We'll probably have more than enough volunteers 
so I'll be keeping a backup list in case there are any cancellations.  Please 
contact me if you have any questions.

Hope to see you out there!

Jerry Atkinson - Project Coordinator
Texas Speleological Survey

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Re: [Texascavers] Petzl Ecrin Roc Climbing Helmet...

[Michael Harris via Texascavers]

I'll take it if you still have it.

Mike Harris
mhar...@schertz.com


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 Original message 
From: James Brown via Texascavers
Date:09/13/2014 3:09 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Petzl Ecrin Roc Climbing Helmet...

...for sale, used, Red, $30.

James

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