Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy
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Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy
A technical point or two: Reaction to Poison Ivy, etc, is a chemical contact condition, not an allergy. And I'm not sure that we can describe resistance to it as an 'immunity' since it's not a disease. I'm a little unsure about Tom's suggestion to use 'mineral spirits' which is a carcinogenic organic solvent, i.e.: paint thinner (among other things) and should not really be put on the skin. It surely ought to get rid of any oils, however. Thoughts? Info? --Ediger On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 6:50 AM, Kurt L. Menking kmenk...@bcad.org wrote: I also have a small patch of it from TCR this weekend. ** ** For many years I was immune, but while clearing our campsite with a weed eater for the first TCR near Luling I was super exposed. I was in shorts, sandals, etc. I had no idea there was poison ivy around but came down with it all over. After a few days of trying everything and it only getting worse I went to the Dr. It was better the next day, and completely gone in 3-4 days. Prednisone and Desoximetasone cream, both are prescription. ** ** Kurt
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If you don't like the idea of mineral spirits on your skin then just use rubbing alcohol. Works almost as good. Or buy over priced deodorized mineral spirits(tecnu). Probably just as carcinogenic as canned paint thinners. Any of that is way safer than the doctor. I wouldn't want the shot that's lasted over fifty years(Bill Walden). If nothing is available water and dirt makes mud. The more alkaline the dirt the better. Add some ash to make it even more alkaline. Whatever it takes to get the oil off. Anything to avoid doctors. Tom --- Original Message --- From: vivb...@att.net Sent: October 23, 2013 8:27 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy If you're in Texas, it's Poison Ivy. Poison Oak grows on the West coast. the leaf and habit is pretty different, but still 3 leaflets per leaf, and variable. Poison Ivy forms a vine more, but will also form a bush. best way to prevent it is wash and wash and wash again with a good oil cutting soap. I use dawn or the brand technu which is specific for poison ivy. If you're getting new breakout bumps, then you haven't washed it all off yet. Half frozen wet paper towels feel really good on it. No one is immune to poison ivy. For some people it takes more exposure. The more you are exposed to it, the more sensitive you become. You cannot develop an immunity. Vivian Loftin From: Bill Walden wdwal...@windstream.net To: texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 8:11 AM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy When I was young I would break out horribly from poison ivy. At age 7 (1949) I underwent a series of shots for poison ivy. Following those shots I didn't break out from contact with poison Ivy. Today it is rare for me to get a bubble or two after contact with that plant. I believe that the shots are no longer given. Bill Walden On 10/23/2013 8:59 AM, Gill Edigar wrote: A technical point or two: Reaction to Poison Ivy, etc, is a chemical contact condition, not an allergy. And I'm not sure that we can describe resistance to it as an 'immunity' since it's not a disease. I'm a little unsure about Tom's suggestion to use 'mineral spirits' which is a carcinogenic organic solvent, i.e.: paint thinner (among other things) and should not really be put on the skin. It surely ought to get rid of any oils, however. Thoughts? Info? --Ediger On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 6:50 AM, Kurt L. Menking kmenk...@bcad.org wrote: I also have a small patch of it from TCR this weekend. For many years I was immune, but while clearing our campsite with a weed eater for the first TCR near Luling I was super exposed. I was in shorts, sandals, etc. I had no idea there was poison ivy around but came down with it all over. After a few days of trying everything and it only getting worse I went to the Dr. It was better the next day, and completely gone in 3-4 days. Prednisone and Desoximetasone cream, both are prescription. Kurt
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I recently went to Poison Ivy pit in Bexar County. It lives up to its name. The sinkhole was hidden by massive vines. Completely covering it save one port hole about 20 diameter. It was the only way in so I rappelled thru that and saw that I could have walked into the sink hole from the other side if it wasn't choked with poison ivy. It was hanging 10' down the pit. The cave lives up to its name, trust me. It didn't get me that time, surprising because I was in my caving clothes(for those who know my caving attire). The worst place to get it? Not the genitals. In the eye. Salt water every ten minutes. After that I can largely ignore regular exposures. --- Original Message --- From: Gill Edigar gi...@att.net Sent: October 23, 2013 8:51 AM To: vivb...@att.net Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy I forgot to mention an apocryphal story regarding my East Texas cousins who were Piney Woods squirrel hunters in their youth and often came home with poison ivy lesions. My aunt used an old procedure that involved my cousins taking a certain number (which I don't remember) of ripe poison ivy seeds by mouth for several (again, I don't remember how many) days. They were, reportedly, cured of their sensitivity to poison ivy--or, at least, it was greatly diminished. --Ediger On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 8:27 AM, vivb...@att.net wrote: If you're in Texas, it's Poison Ivy. Poison Oak grows on the West coast. the leaf and habit is pretty different, but still 3 leaflets per leaf, and variable. Poison Ivy forms a vine more, but will also form a bush. best way to prevent it is wash and wash and wash again with a good oil cutting soap. I use dawn or the brand technu which is specific for poison ivy. If you're getting new breakout bumps, then you haven't washed it all off yet. Half frozen wet paper towels feel really good on it. No one is immune to poison ivy. For some people it takes more exposure. The more you are exposed to it, the more sensitive you become. You cannot develop an immunity. Vivian Loftin -- *From:* Bill Walden wdwal...@windstream.net *To:* texascavers@texascavers.com *Sent:* Wednesday, October 23, 2013 8:11 AM *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy When I was young I would break out horribly from poison ivy. At age 7 (1949) I underwent a series of shots for poison ivy. Following those shots I didn't break out from contact with poison Ivy. Today it is rare for me to get a bubble or two after contact with that plant. I believe that the shots are no longer given. Bill Walden On 10/23/2013 8:59 AM, Gill Edigar wrote: A technical point or two: Reaction to Poison Ivy, etc, is a chemical contact condition, not an allergy. And I'm not sure that we can describe resistance to it as an 'immunity' since it's not a disease. I'm a little unsure about Tom's suggestion to use 'mineral spirits' which is a carcinogenic organic solvent, i.e.: paint thinner (among other things) and should not really be put on the skin. It surely ought to get rid of any oils, however. Thoughts? Info? --Ediger On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 6:50 AM, Kurt L. Menking kmenk...@bcad.orgwrote: I also have a small patch of it from TCR this weekend. For many years I was immune, but while clearing our campsite with a weed eater for the first TCR near Luling I was super exposed. I was in shorts, sandals, etc. I had no idea there was poison ivy around but came down with it all over. After a few days of trying everything and it only getting worse I went to the Dr. It was better the next day, and completely gone in 3-4 days. Prednisone and Desoximetasone cream, both are prescription. Kurt
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I have to say that my instincts tell me that solvents seem like a bad idea in this case. Working in the lab if there was any kind of chemical splatter or spill it was always soap and water to wash off the area. Solvents can enable the offender (whatever it is) to penetrate the skin. So using these products seems contrary to what I've learned over the years. Personally I think I'll stick with soap (Dawn) and water for removal of the oils and then treat with topical steroids if needed. Mary TZ From: Tom Rogers decksunlimi...@hotmail.com To: caverarch cavera...@aol.com; Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy I have had it many times. I have now from TCR. The best stuff to use is mineral spirits. The main ingredient in tecnu. Any alcohol based liquid will work. Rub it on immediately. Rinse with water after about ten minutes. There will still be a rash but it will stop it from spreading. Rub down tools with alcohol also to remove poison ivy oil. I suspect my repeated exposures has built immunity. Tom --- Original Message --- From: caverarch cavera...@aol.com Sent: October 22, 2013 6:12 PM To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy I am a bit more sensitive to the vine than I was in my youth. I'm sure this is the result of repeated exposure from lots of field work in the eastern woodlands and blissfully disregarding contact back in those days. Roger G. Moore -Original Message- From: George Veni gv...@nckri.org To: Texas Cavers Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tue, Oct 22, 2013 5:40 pm Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy Poison ivy never bothered me for many years, but I learned that immunity can sometimes be lost by repeated exposure. So my advice to those who are currently immune is to avoid it as much as possible. George Sent from my mobile phone George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org Original message From: Sheryl Rieck sheryl.ri...@gmail.com Date: 2013/10/22 16:31 (GMT-07:00) To: Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net Cc: TexasCavers texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy Good things to know. Since I am not allergic, I haven't been aware of the other treatments. Sheryl Sheryl Rieck, Senior Oracle Financials Consultant True SEM Antics, Inc. 832-632-2387 Home 361-205-1458 Cell On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net wrote: A related product is Tecnu http://www.teclabsinc.com/products/poison-oak-ivy/tecnu, also commonly available at pharmacies. These products wash away the oily residue that causes the rash . They work best when used as soon as possible after exposure, but can help even the next day or two. Calamine (pink stuff), on the other hand, is simply a topical anesthetic and antiseptic. It reduces itching, but doesn't really cure the problem (treats the symptoms, not the disease). (I'm also not affected by poison ivy, but my partner Yvonne is extremely sensitive.) Mark At 06:06 PM 10/22/2013, Charles Goldsmith wrote: I'm very allergic to it, I swear I can just look at a plant and it jump on me, always have been. The best stuff I've ever found to get rid of it is http://www.walgreens.com/store/c/walgreens-poison-ivy-wash/ID=prod6113607-product Of course that's a store brand, there are other products that are named brand. I've used the walgreen's brand with very good results. it's expensive, but worth every cent. Pink stuff didn't seem to work very well, my mom always put it on me. There was also some form of tablet she would buy from the local pharmacist, drop it into a pint of water and spread the resulting concoction on me, but I swore it was just water, never seemed to help and I don't know the name either. If you can, try the above link On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 4:47 PM, David dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote: Anybody know the best proven treatment for a poison-ivy rash from personal experience? Anybody have a good theory about how to boost immunity ? 4 things that I feel make it worse are scratching, sunlight, heat or hot water, and drying off with bath towels, all of which seem unavoidable. Is it true that some ethnic groups are not allergic, and that white-skinned people are the most allergic ? David Locklear Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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When affected, I have found -tremendous- relief of the lesions by simply spraying them with a jet of very hot water. The sensation is much more gratifying than scratching but also completely stops the itching, no meds needed after. Hot as I could stand, ONLY on the wound. Strange but true. Sent cellularly. -Don On Oct 23, 2013, at 11:06 AM, Mary Thiesse wpipistre...@yahoo.com wrote: I have to say that my instincts tell me that solvents seem like a bad idea in this case. Working in the lab if there was any kind of chemical splatter or spill it was always soap and water to wash off the area. Solvents can enable the offender (whatever it is) to penetrate the skin. So using these products seems contrary to what I've learned over the years. Personally I think I'll stick with soap (Dawn) and water for removal of the oils and then treat with topical steroids if needed. Mary TZ From: Tom Rogers decksunlimi...@hotmail.com To: caverarch cavera...@aol.com; Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy I have had it many times. I have now from TCR. The best stuff to use is mineral spirits. The main ingredient in tecnu. Any alcohol based liquid will work. Rub it on immediately. Rinse with water after about ten minutes. There will still be a rash but it will stop it from spreading. Rub down tools with alcohol also to remove poison ivy oil. I suspect my repeated exposures has built immunity. Tom --- Original Message --- From: caverarch cavera...@aol.com Sent: October 22, 2013 6:12 PM To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy I am a bit more sensitive to the vine than I was in my youth. I'm sure this is the result of repeated exposure from lots of field work in the eastern woodlands and blissfully disregarding contact back in those days. Roger G. Moore -Original Message- From: George Veni gv...@nckri.org To: Texas Cavers Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tue, Oct 22, 2013 5:40 pm Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy Poison ivy never bothered me for many years, but I learned that immunity can sometimes be lost by repeated exposure. So my advice to those who are currently immune is to avoid it as much as possible. George Sent from my mobile phone George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org Original message From: Sheryl Rieck sheryl.ri...@gmail.com Date: 2013/10/22 16:31 (GMT-07:00) To: Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net Cc: TexasCavers texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy Good things to know. Since I am not allergic, I haven't been aware of the other treatments. Sheryl Sheryl Rieck, Senior Oracle Financials Consultant True SEM Antics, Inc. 832-632-2387 Home 361-205-1458 Cell On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net wrote: A related product is Tecnu http://www.teclabsinc.com/products/poison-oak-ivy/tecnu, also commonly available at pharmacies. These products wash away the oily residue that causes the rash . They work best when used as soon as possible after exposure, but can help even the next day or two. Calamine (pink stuff), on the other hand, is simply a topical anesthetic and antiseptic. It reduces itching, but doesn't really cure the problem (treats the symptoms, not the disease). (I'm also not affected by poison ivy, but my partner Yvonne is extremely sensitive.) Mark At 06:06 PM 10/22/2013, Charles Goldsmith wrote: I'm very allergic to it, I swear I can just look at a plant and it jump on me, always have been. The best stuff I've ever found to get rid of it is http://www.walgreens.com/store/c/walgreens-poison-ivy-wash/ID=prod6113607-product Of course that's a store brand, there are other products that are named brand. I've used the walgreen's brand with very good results. it's expensive, but worth every cent. Pink stuff didn't seem to work very well, my mom always put it on me. There was also some form of tablet she would buy from the local pharmacist, drop it into a pint of water and spread the resulting concoction on me, but I swore it was just water, never seemed to help and I don't know the name either. If you can, try the above link On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 4:47 PM, David dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote: Anybody know the best proven treatment for a poison-ivy rash from personal experience? Anybody have a good theory about how to boost immunity ? 4 things that I feel make it worse are scratching, sunlight, heat or hot water, and drying off with bath towels, all of which seem unavoidable. Is it true that some ethnic groups
RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy
All the inactive ingredients can be considered solvents if they are liquids. At 10/23/2013 10:51 AM -0700, Louise Power wrote: Here is what the Tech-Nu label says. I'm not a chemist, so which one of these ingredients is a solvent? Active ingredient: Grindelia robusta 3X - Purpose:anti-itch Inactive ingredients: alcohol 0.4%, aminomethyl propanol, benzethonium chloride, carbomer, fragrance, polyethylene beads, polyoxyethylene (4) lauryl ether, polysorbate 20, purified water, SD alcohol 40B 6.4% Uses: * Temporarily relieves burning, itching and pain due to poison ivy, oak and sumac. * Removes poison ivy, oak and sumac oil (urushiol) from skin. Warnings: * Do not use on severe, draining rashes. * Do not use if pregnant or nursing, ask a health professional before use. * Keep out of reach of children * If swallowed, get medical help or contact a Poison Control Center right away. * Keep out of eyes. * If condition worsens, or if symptoms persist more than 7 days or clear up and occur again with a few days, stop use and consult a physician. * Do not use on children under 2 years of age, consult a physician. Directions: To treat a rash: (adults and children 2 years and older) * Squeeze a desired amount of product into hand and mix with equal amount of water. * Apply to affected skin and surrounding areas and gently rub for 15 seconds; avoid breaking the skin. * Rinse with cool running water and towel dry gently. * Repeat as needed. To remove urushiol oil: (adults and children 2 years and older) * Squeeze a desired amount of product into hand and mix with equal amount of water. * Apply to exposed areas and gently rub for 15 seconds; if hypersensitive, wash entire body with Tecnu Extreme. * Rinse with cool running water and towel dry. Other information: Store at 59 to 89°F (15 to 30°C) -- From: donarb...@mac.com Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 11:13:49 -0500 To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy When affected, I have found -tremendous- relief of the lesions by simply spraying them with a jet of very hot water. The sensation is much more gratifying than scratching but also completely stops the itching, no meds needed after. Hot as I could stand, ONLY on the wound. Strange but true. Sent cellularly. -Don On Oct 23, 2013, at 11:06 AM, Mary Thiesse mailto:wpipistre...@yahoo.comwpipistre...@yahoo.com wrote: I have to say that my instincts tell me that solvents seem like a bad idea in this case. Working in the lab if there was any kind of chemical splatter or spill it was always soap and water to wash off the area. Solvents can enable the offender (whatever it is) to penetrate the skin. So using these products seems contrary to what I've learned over the years. Personally I think I'll stick with soap (Dawn) and water for removal of the oils and then treat with topical steroids if needed. Mary TZ From: Tom Rogers mailto:decksunlimi...@hotmail.comdecksunlimi...@hotmail.com To: caverarch mailto:cavera...@aol.comcavera...@aol.com; mailto:Texascavers@texascavers.comTexascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy I have had it many times. I have now from TCR. The best stuff to use is mineral spirits. The main ingredient in tecnu. Any alcohol based liquid will work. Rub it on immediately. Rinse with water after about ten minutes. There will still be a rash but it will stop it from spreading. Rub down tools with alcohol also to remove poison ivy oil. I suspect my repeated exposures has built immunity. Tom --- Original Message --- From: caverarch mailto:cavera...@aol.comcavera...@aol.com Sent: October 22, 2013 6:12 PM To: mailto:Texascavers@texascavers.comTexascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy I am a bit more sensitive to the vine than I was in my youth. I'm sure this is the result of repeated exposure from lots of field work in the eastern woodlands and blissfully disregarding contact back in those days. Roger G. Moore -Original Message- From: George Veni mailto:gv...@nckri.orggv...@nckri.org To: Texas Cavers mailto:Texascavers@texascavers.comTexascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tue, Oct 22, 2013 5:40 pm Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy Poison ivy never bothered me for many years, but I learned that immunity can sometimes be lost by repeated exposure. So my advice to those who are currently immune is to avoid it as much as possible. George Sent from my mobile phone George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 mailto:gv...@nckri.orggv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org Original message From: Sheryl Rieck mailto:sheryl.ri...@gmail.comsheryl.ri
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Can I please be removed from the Poison ivy thread? Thank you, Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 13:53:38 -0400 To: power_lou...@hotmail.com; donarb...@mac.com; texascavers@texascavers.com From: pw...@dca.net Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy All the inactive ingredients can be considered solvents if they are liquids. At 10/23/2013 10:51 AM -0700, Louise Power wrote: Here is what the Tech-Nu label says. I'm not a chemist, so which one of these ingredients is a solvent? Active ingredient: Grindelia robusta 3X - Purpose:anti-itch Inactive ingredients: alcohol 0.4%, aminomethyl propanol, benzethonium chloride, carbomer, fragrance, polyethylene beads, polyoxyethylene (4) lauryl ether, polysorbate 20, purified water, SD alcohol 40B 6.4% Uses: Temporarily relieves burning, itching and pain due to poison ivy, oak and sumac. Removes poison ivy, oak and sumac oil (urushiol) from skin. Warnings: Do not use on severe, draining rashes. Do not use if pregnant or nursing, ask a health professional before use. Keep out of reach of children If swallowed, get medical help or contact a Poison Control Center right away. Keep out of eyes. If condition worsens, or if symptoms persist more than 7 days or clear up and occur again with a few days, stop use and consult a physician. Do not use on children under 2 years of age, consult a physician. Directions: To treat a rash: (adults and children 2 years and older) Squeeze a desired amount of product into hand and mix with equal amount of water. Apply to affected skin and surrounding areas and gently rub for 15 seconds; avoid breaking the skin. Rinse with cool running water and towel dry gently. Repeat as needed. To remove urushiol oil: (adults and children 2 years and older) Squeeze a desired amount of product into hand and mix with equal amount of water. Apply to exposed areas and gently rub for 15 seconds; if hypersensitive, wash entire body with Tecnu Extreme. Rinse with cool running water and towel dry. Other information: Store at 59 to 89°F (15 to 30°C) From: donarb...@mac.com Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 11:13:49 -0500 To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy When affected, I have found -tremendous- relief of the lesions by simply spraying them with a jet of very hot water. The sensation is much more gratifying than scratching but also completely stops the itching, no meds needed after. Hot as I could stand, ONLY on the wound. Strange but true. Sent cellularly. -Don On Oct 23, 2013, at 11:06 AM, Mary Thiesse wpipistre...@yahoo.com wrote: I have to say that my instincts tell me that solvents seem like a bad idea in this case. Working in the lab if there was any kind of chemical splatter or spill it was always soap and water to wash off the area. Solvents can enable the offender (whatever it is) to penetrate the skin. So using these products seems contrary to what I've learned over the years. Personally I think I'll stick with soap (Dawn) and water for removal of the oils and then treat with topical steroids if needed. Mary TZ From: Tom Rogers decksunlimi...@hotmail.com To: caverarch cavera...@aol.com; Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy I have had it many times. I have now from TCR. The best stuff to use is mineral spirits. The main ingredient in tecnu. Any alcohol based liquid will work. Rub it on immediately. Rinse with water after about ten minutes. There will still be a rash but it will stop it from spreading. Rub down tools with alcohol also to remove poison ivy oil. I suspect my repeated exposures has built immunity. Tom --- Original Message --- From: caverarch cavera...@aol.com Sent: October 22, 2013 6:12 PM To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy I am a bit more sensitive to the vine than I was in my youth. I'm sure this is the result of repeated exposure from lots of field work in the eastern woodlands and blissfully disregarding contact back in those days. Roger G. Moore -Original Message- From: George Veni gv...@nckri.org To: Texas Cavers Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tue, Oct 22, 2013 5:40 pm Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy Poison ivy never bothered me for many years, but I learned that immunity can sometimes be lost by repeated exposure. So my advice to those who are currently immune is to avoid it as much as possible. George Sent from my mobile phone George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org Original message From: Sheryl Rieck sheryl.ri...@gmail.com Date: 2013/10/22 16:31 (GMT-07:00) To: Mark Minton mmin
Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy
Guys, trim your replies. You are replying to BOTH the senders AND the list. We get two emails from you. Please. Sent cellularly. -Don On Oct 23, 2013, at 12:53 PM, Phil Winkler pw...@dca.net wrote: All the inactive ingredients can be considered solvents if they are liquids. At 10/23/2013 10:51 AM -0700, Louise Power wrote: Here is what the Tech-Nu label says. I'm not a chemist, so which one of these ingredients is a solvent? Active ingredient: Grindelia robusta 3X - Purpose:anti-itch Inactive ingredients: alcohol 0.4%, aminomethyl propanol, benzethonium chloride, carbomer, fragrance, polyethylene beads, polyoxyethylene (4) lauryl ether, polysorbate 20, purified water, SD alcohol 40B 6.4% Uses: Temporarily relieves burning, itching and pain due to poison ivy, oak and sumac. Removes poison ivy, oak and sumac oil (urushiol) from skin. Warnings: Do not use on severe, draining rashes. Do not use if pregnant or nursing, ask a health professional before use. Keep out of reach of children If swallowed, get medical help or contact a Poison Control Center right away. Keep out of eyes. If condition worsens, or if symptoms persist more than 7 days or clear up and occur again with a few days, stop use and consult a physician. Do not use on children under 2 years of age, consult a physician. Directions: To treat a rash: (adults and children 2 years and older) Squeeze a desired amount of product into hand and mix with equal amount of water. Apply to affected skin and surrounding areas and gently rub for 15 seconds; avoid breaking the skin. Rinse with cool running water and towel dry gently. Repeat as needed. To remove urushiol oil: (adults and children 2 years and older) Squeeze a desired amount of product into hand and mix with equal amount of water. Apply to exposed areas and gently rub for 15 seconds; if hypersensitive, wash entire body with Tecnu Extreme. Rinse with cool running water and towel dry. Other information: Store at 59 to 89°F (15 to 30°C) From: donarb...@mac.com Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 11:13:49 -0500 To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy When affected, I have found -tremendous- relief of the lesions by simply spraying them with a jet of very hot water. The sensation is much more gratifying than scratching but also completely stops the itching, no meds needed after. Hot as I could stand, ONLY on the wound. Strange but true. Sent cellularly. -Don On Oct 23, 2013, at 11:06 AM, Mary Thiesse wpipistre...@yahoo.com wrote: I have to say that my instincts tell me that solvents seem like a bad idea in this case. Working in the lab if there was any kind of chemical splatter or spill it was always soap and water to wash off the area. Solvents can enable the offender (whatever it is) to penetrate the skin. So using these products seems contrary to what I've learned over the years. Personally I think I'll stick with soap (Dawn) and water for removal of the oils and then treat with topical steroids if needed. Mary TZ From: Tom Rogers decksunlimi...@hotmail.com To: caverarch cavera...@aol.com; Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy I have had it many times. I have now from TCR. The best stuff to use is mineral spirits. The main ingredient in tecnu. Any alcohol based liquid will work. Rub it on immediately. Rinse with water after about ten minutes. There will still be a rash but it will stop it from spreading. Rub down tools with alcohol also to remove poison ivy oil. I suspect my repeated exposures has built immunity. Tom --- Original Message --- From: caverarch cavera...@aol.com Sent: October 22, 2013 6:12 PM To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy I am a bit more sensitive to the vine than I was in my youth. I'm sure this is the result of repeated exposure from lots of field work in the eastern woodlands and blissfully disregarding contact back in those days. Roger G. Moore -Original Message- From: George Veni gv...@nckri.org To: Texas Cavers Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tue, Oct 22, 2013 5:40 pm Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy Poison ivy never bothered me for many years, but I learned that immunity can sometimes be lost by repeated exposure. So my advice to those who are currently immune is to avoid it as much as possible. George Sent from my mobile phone George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org Original message From: Sheryl Rieck sheryl.ri...@gmail.com Date: 2013/10/22 16:31 (GMT-07:00
RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy
I don't think it's possible for anyone other than the moderator to modify the list. So it wouldn't be possible for any one other than him to take you off the list. And you'd probably have to be taken off the list in general. I don't think he'd do it for one thread. Do what I do, just delete. It's not exactly a secret what the subject of the messages are, so quit shooting the messengers. From: missie...@hotmail.com To: power_lou...@hotmail.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 13:51:40 -0500 Sure do and thank you for inundating me with yet another email I do not wish to read. I assume you don't know how to not respond to someone asking to not be on a thread. I asked nicely once. From: power_lou...@hotmail.com To: missie...@hotmail.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 11:46:23 -0700 probably not as long as you're on the Texascavers list. I assume you know how to use your delete button From: missie...@hotmail.com To: pw...@dca.net; power_lou...@hotmail.com; donarb...@mac.com; texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 12:57:34 -0500 Can I please be removed from the Poison ivy thread? Thank you, Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 13:53:38 -0400 To: power_lou...@hotmail.com; donarb...@mac.com; texascavers@texascavers.com From: pw...@dca.net Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy All the inactive ingredients can be considered solvents if they are liquids. At 10/23/2013 10:51 AM -0700, Louise Power wrote: Here is what the Tech-Nu label says. I'm not a chemist, so which one of these ingredients is a solvent? Active ingredient: Grindelia robusta 3X - Purpose:anti-itch Inactive ingredients: alcohol 0.4%, aminomethyl propanol, benzethonium chloride, carbomer, fragrance, polyethylene beads, polyoxyethylene (4) lauryl ether, polysorbate 20, purified water, SD alcohol 40B 6.4% Uses: Temporarily relieves burning, itching and pain due to poison ivy, oak and sumac. Removes poison ivy, oak and sumac oil (urushiol) from skin. Warnings: Do not use on severe, draining rashes. Do not use if pregnant or nursing, ask a health professional before use. Keep out of reach of children If swallowed, get medical help or contact a Poison Control Center right away. Keep out of eyes. If condition worsens, or if symptoms persist more than 7 days or clear up and occur again with a few days, stop use and consult a physician. Do not use on children under 2 years of age, consult a physician. Directions: To treat a rash: (adults and children 2 years and older) Squeeze a desired amount of product into hand and mix with equal amount of water. Apply to affected skin and surrounding areas and gently rub for 15 seconds; avoid breaking the skin. Rinse with cool running water and towel dry gently. Repeat as needed. To remove urushiol oil: (adults and children 2 years and older) Squeeze a desired amount of product into hand and mix with equal amount of water. Apply to exposed areas and gently rub for 15 seconds; if hypersensitive, wash entire body with Tecnu Extreme. Rinse with cool running water and towel dry. Other information: Store at 59 to 89°F (15 to 30°C) From: donarb...@mac.com Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 11:13:49 -0500 To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy When affected, I have found -tremendous- relief of the lesions by simply spraying them with a jet of very hot water. The sensation is much more gratifying than scratching but also completely stops the itching, no meds needed after. Hot as I could stand, ONLY on the wound. Strange but true. Sent cellularly. -Don On Oct 23, 2013, at 11:06 AM, Mary Thiesse wpipistre...@yahoo.com wrote: I have to say that my instincts tell me that solvents seem like a bad idea in this case. Working in the lab if there was any kind of chemical splatter or spill it was always soap and water to wash off the area. Solvents can enable the offender (whatever it is) to penetrate the skin. So using these products seems contrary to what I've learned over the years. Personally I think I'll stick with soap (Dawn) and water for removal of the oils and then treat with topical steroids if needed. Mary TZ From: Tom Rogers decksunlimi...@hotmail.com To: caverarch cavera...@aol.com; Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy I have had it many times. I have now from TCR. The best stuff to use is mineral spirits. The main ingredient in tecnu. Any alcohol based liquid will work. Rub it on immediately. Rinse with water after about ten minutes. There will still be a rash but it will stop it from spreading. Rub down tools with alcohol also to remove poison ivy oil. I suspect my repeated exposures has built immunity. Tom --- Original Message --- From: caverarch cavera...@aol.com Sent: October 22, 2013 6:12 PM
RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy
YOU ARE THE MESSENGER RIGHT NOW. PLEASE STOP EMAILING ME ABOUT THIS! From: power_lou...@hotmail.com To: missie...@hotmail.com; texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 12:16:53 -0700 I don't think it's possible for anyone other than the moderator to modify the list. So it wouldn't be possible for any one other than him to take you off the list. And you'd probably have to be taken off the list in general. I don't think he'd do it for one thread. Do what I do, just delete. It's not exactly a secret what the subject of the messages are, so quit shooting the messengers. From: missie...@hotmail.com To: power_lou...@hotmail.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 13:51:40 -0500 Sure do and thank you for inundating me with yet another email I do not wish to read. I assume you don't know how to not respond to someone asking to not be on a thread. I asked nicely once. From: power_lou...@hotmail.com To: missie...@hotmail.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 11:46:23 -0700 probably not as long as you're on the Texascavers list. I assume you know how to use your delete button From: missie...@hotmail.com To: pw...@dca.net; power_lou...@hotmail.com; donarb...@mac.com; texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 12:57:34 -0500 Can I please be removed from the Poison ivy thread? Thank you, Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 13:53:38 -0400 To: power_lou...@hotmail.com; donarb...@mac.com; texascavers@texascavers.com From: pw...@dca.net Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy All the inactive ingredients can be considered solvents if they are liquids. At 10/23/2013 10:51 AM -0700, Louise Power wrote: Here is what the Tech-Nu label says. I'm not a chemist, so which one of these ingredients is a solvent? Active ingredient: Grindelia robusta 3X - Purpose:anti-itch Inactive ingredients: alcohol 0.4%, aminomethyl propanol, benzethonium chloride, carbomer, fragrance, polyethylene beads, polyoxyethylene (4) lauryl ether, polysorbate 20, purified water, SD alcohol 40B 6.4% Uses: Temporarily relieves burning, itching and pain due to poison ivy, oak and sumac. Removes poison ivy, oak and sumac oil (urushiol) from skin. Warnings: Do not use on severe, draining rashes. Do not use if pregnant or nursing, ask a health professional before use. Keep out of reach of children If swallowed, get medical help or contact a Poison Control Center right away. Keep out of eyes. If condition worsens, or if symptoms persist more than 7 days or clear up and occur again with a few days, stop use and consult a physician. Do not use on children under 2 years of age, consult a physician. Directions: To treat a rash: (adults and children 2 years and older) Squeeze a desired amount of product into hand and mix with equal amount of water. Apply to affected skin and surrounding areas and gently rub for 15 seconds; avoid breaking the skin. Rinse with cool running water and towel dry gently. Repeat as needed. To remove urushiol oil: (adults and children 2 years and older) Squeeze a desired amount of product into hand and mix with equal amount of water. Apply to exposed areas and gently rub for 15 seconds; if hypersensitive, wash entire body with Tecnu Extreme. Rinse with cool running water and towel dry. Other information: Store at 59 to 89°F (15 to 30°C) From: donarb...@mac.com Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 11:13:49 -0500 To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy When affected, I have found -tremendous- relief of the lesions by simply spraying them with a jet of very hot water. The sensation is much more gratifying than scratching but also completely stops the itching, no meds needed after. Hot as I could stand, ONLY on the wound. Strange but true. Sent cellularly. -Don On Oct 23, 2013, at 11:06 AM, Mary Thiesse wpipistre...@yahoo.com wrote: I have to say that my instincts tell me that solvents seem like a bad idea in this case. Working in the lab if there was any kind of chemical splatter or spill it was always soap and water to wash off the area. Solvents can enable the offender (whatever it is) to penetrate the skin. So using these products seems contrary to what I've learned over the years. Personally I think I'll stick with soap (Dawn) and water for removal of the oils and then treat with topical steroids if needed. Mary TZ From: Tom Rogers decksunlimi...@hotmail.com To: caverarch cavera...@aol.com; Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 5:43 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy I have had it many times. I have now from TCR. The best stuff to use is mineral spirits. The main ingredient in tecnu. Any alcohol based liquid will work. Rub it on immediately. Rinse with water after about ten minutes. There will still be a rash but it will stop
RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy
Missy, One can remove themselves from a thread, you don't need the Admin to do it for you: Email a blank message to: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.commailto:texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com From: Missy Singleton [mailto:missie...@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 2:19 PM To: Louise Power; texas cavers Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy YOU ARE THE MESSENGER RIGHT NOW. PLEASE STOP EMAILING ME ABOUT THIS! From: power_lou...@hotmail.commailto:power_lou...@hotmail.com To: missie...@hotmail.commailto:missie...@hotmail.com; texascavers@texascavers.commailto:texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 12:16:53 -0700 I don't think it's possible for anyone other than the moderator to modify the list. So it wouldn't be possible for any one other than him to take you off the list. And you'd probably have to be taken off the list in general. I don't think he'd do it for one thread. Do what I do, just delete. It's not exactly a secret what the subject of the messages are, so quit shooting the messengers. -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. ARM Limited, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2557590 ARM Holdings plc, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2548782
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John, I contacted Missy (through Facebook) and collectivly apologized for the rude behavior.. I got her the contact information for Charles Goldsmith, so she can be properly removed... I don't think some even consider what they do. Or maybe don't care... Seems like your reply shut it all down... good I hope... Thanks, Bill (former list owner) - Original Message - From: Jon Cradit To: Stefan Creaser ; Missy Singleton Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 4:34 PM Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy This seems to me to be symptomatic of what our society is increasingly accepting as the norm or acceptable behavior. This is becoming more common in how we treat our friends, our extended family of cavers, who at times we depend on for our safety and at times our life. We see this in our politicians and the dysfunctional government. It hurts people to the bone. Is it truly necessary? The personal attacks and name calling. Can we no longer have a civil discussion and accept each other's personal quirks? It's easy for someone, them, to press DELETE, the same is true for me and you, if I don't want to read their post. Just wondering.. From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 2:57 PM To: Missy Singleton Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy You are obviously an idiot (sic) then since you don't realize there is no way to avoid a thread when you're on a mailing list :-) If you tell the list what sort of tool/filter you use to read email - Outlook, Yahoo, Gmail, etc. I'm sure some nice person who's more technically savvy than I am (I just use the delete button in Outlook) will tell you how to set up the appropriate filter. Cheers, Stefan (Deleteing the rest for Sleaze's benefit :-) -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. ARM Limited, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2557590 ARM Holdings plc, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2548782
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I agree with Jon. The comments directed to Missy were entirely uncalled for. Jerry. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 23, 2013, at 4:34 PM, Jon Cradit jcra...@edwardsaquifer.org wrote: This seems to me to be symptomatic of what our society is increasingly accepting as the norm or acceptable behavior. This is becoming more common in how we treat our “friends”, our extended family of cavers, who at times we depend on for our safety and at times our life. We see this in our politicians and the dysfunctional government. It hurts people to the bone. Is it truly necessary? The personal attacks and name calling. Can we no longer have a civil discussion and accept each other’s personal quirks? It’s easy for someone, “them”, to press DELETE, the same is true for me and you, if I don’t want to read their post. Just wondering…. From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 2:57 PM To: Missy Singleton Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy You are obviously an idiot (sic) then since you don’t realize there is no way to avoid a thread when you’re on a mailing list :-) If you tell the list what sort of tool/filter you use to read email – Outlook, Yahoo, Gmail, etc. I’m sure some nice person who’s more technically savvy than I am (I just use the delete button in Outlook) will tell you how to set up the appropriate filter. Cheers, Stefan (Deleteing the rest for Sleaze’s benefit :-) -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. ARM Limited, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2557590 ARM Holdings plc, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2548782
RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy and Karst
I remember being very sensitive to poison ivy in my early teens growing up in northern Brown county. All it had to be was springtime and I would get itchy welts on my ankles and wrists. My parents found some poison ivy extract that came in a dropper bottle. I would take 1 drop a day for a week or 10 days; then 2 drops a day for that long and do that all the way to 10 drops a day. I would start the drop therapy in the winter so by springtime I was up the the 10 drop max and my sensitivity was then greatly diminished. My mother would get poison ivy reaction regularly and not even be around it. She stopped getting it when she stopped handling my fathers dirty jeans putting them in the washing machine. Bob West Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 08:42:57 -0500 From: gi...@att.net To: dirt...@comcast.net CC: Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy and Karst I forgot to mention an apocryphal story regarding my East Texas cousins who were Piney Woods squirrel hunters in their youth and often came home with poison ivy lesions. My aunt used an old procedure that involved my cousins taking a certain number (which I don't remember) of ripe poison ivy seeds by mouth for several (again, I don't remember how many) days. They were, reportedly, cured of their sensitivity to poison ivy--or, at least, it was greatly diminished. --Ediger On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 6:15 PM, dirt...@comcast.net wrote: Poison-ivy and Karst How cave related can you get?? (I'll do everything I can to get this site back on track) I grew up in New York and was terribly allergic to poison ivy as a youngster. Like, someone burned some brush with the vines in the pile, a half-mile away. Good Lord, was I ever in an awful itchy situation after the smoke passed over me --. Fortunately my lungs did not react. When I started to do karst and geological things in upstate NY, I discovered two things: 1. To see the bedrock I had to crawl on my belly like a snake up stream beds. 2. I could map the limestone without ever seeing it, just by mapping where the lush poison ivy grew. (THAT is the Karst tie-in) After I came West, I could more easily see Rocks and I gradually lost my extreme reaction. But I learned what George cautioned: Immunity is lost by repeated exposure. Then I moved to Texas and discovered Poison Oak. It makes TREES going up the cliffs with trunks as big around as Bob Oakley's thighs around springs in the Big Bend. ESPECIALLY in what is now Big Bend Ranch State Park.
RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy and Karst
take a look at these pics: http://img.webmd.com/dtmcms/live/webmd/consumer_assets/site_images/media/medical/hw/hwkb17_017_18_19.jpg Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 23:05:55 -0500 From: gi...@att.net To: dirt...@comcast.net CC: Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy and Karst I've never had anybody successfully identify the difference between poison ivy and poison oak for me. They look the same to my eyes. --Ediger On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 6:15 PM, dirt...@comcast.net wrote: Poison-ivy and Karst How cave related can you get?? (I'll do everything I can to get this site back on track) I grew up in New York and was terribly allergic to poison ivy as a youngster. Like, someone burned some brush with the vines in the pile, a half-mile away. Good Lord, was I ever in an awful itchy situation after the smoke passed over me --. Fortunately my lungs did not react. When I started to do karst and geological things in upstate NY, I discovered two things: 1. To see the bedrock I had to crawl on my belly like a snake up stream beds. 2. I could map the limestone without ever seeing it, just by mapping where the lush poison ivy grew. (THAT is the Karst tie-in) After I came West, I could more easily see Rocks and I gradually lost my extreme reaction. But I learned what George cautioned: Immunity is lost by repeated exposure. Then I moved to Texas and discovered Poison Oak. It makes TREES going up the cliffs with trunks as big around as Bob Oakley's thighs around springs in the Big Bend. ESPECIALLY in what is now Big Bend Ranch State Park.
Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy
Sheryl Rieck, Senior Oracle Financials Consultant True SEM Antics, Inc. 832-632-2387 Home 361-205-1458 Cell On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 4:51 PM, Sheryl Rieck sheryl.ri...@gmail.comwrote: I am not allergic and you don't get much whiter-skinned than I. I also have never heard of any particular ethnic group immunity. The pink goop helps, calamine lotion. You should avoid spreading by not scratching and then touching other parts of your body. It mostly has to run its course unless you go to the doctor. Sheryl Sheryl Rieck, Senior Oracle Financials Consultant True SEM Antics, Inc. 832-632-2387 Home 361-205-1458 Cell On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 4:47 PM, David dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote: Anybody know the best proven treatment for a poison-ivy rash from personal experience? Anybody have a good theory about how to boost immunity ? 4 things that I feel make it worse are scratching, sunlight, heat or hot water, and drying off with bath towels, all of which seem unavoidable. Is it true that some ethnic groups are not allergic, and that white-skinned people are the most allergic ? David Locklear
Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy
I seem to be immune to poison ivy... so immune that I don't even know what poison ivy really looks like. Last year I was apparently standing in patch with shorts and sandals. It didn't bother me one bit. Nettles are another matter. Luckily a little bit of mud cures that for me. On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 4:47 PM, David dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote: Anybody know the best proven treatment for a poison-ivy rash from personal experience? Anybody have a good theory about how to boost immunity ? 4 things that I feel make it worse are scratching, sunlight, heat or hot water, and drying off with bath towels, all of which seem unavoidable. Is it true that some ethnic groups are not allergic, and that white-skinned people are the most allergic ? David Locklear
Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy
I am also totally immune. My daughter, however, has been horribly allergic to it since she was 8 years old (now 23). She always has to take prednisone to get rid of it once it starts. For her, it always causes a systemic reaction. Everyone in our family is immune except for her and my ex-mother-in-law. Dessie Pierce, MA Licensed Professional Counselor Intern Licensed Chemical Dependency Counselor Intern Certified Clinical Trauma Professional Counseling Center of Houston 11999 Katy Freeway Suite 230 Houston, TX 77079 phone: 281-336-0201 fax: 281-336-0763 cell: 832-341-8880 www.counselingcenterhouston.com dessiep.com It is important to be aware that e-mail communication can be relatively easily accessed by unauthorized people and therefore can compromise the privacy and confidentiality of such communication. Please notify me (Dessie Pierce) if you decide to avoid or limit in anyway the use of email. Please do not use email for emergencies. Any advice given without a contract for professional services does not constitute counseling in any manner and should not be relied upon. Information contained within and accompanying this message is confidential, intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copy of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately notify me by telephone at 281-336-0201 or return the email and purge all copies of this message from your system. From: George D. Nincehelser george.nincehel...@gmail.com To: David dlocklea...@gmail.com Cc: CaveTex texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 5:02 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy I seem to be immune to poison ivy... so immune that I don't even know what poison ivy really looks like. Last year I was apparently standing in patch with shorts and sandals. It didn't bother me one bit. Nettles are another matter. Luckily a little bit of mud cures that for me. On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 4:47 PM, David dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote: Anybody know the best proven treatment for a poison-ivy rash from personal experience? Anybody have a good theory about how to boost immunity ? 4 things that I feel make it worse are scratching, sunlight, heat or hot water, and drying off with bath towels, all of which seem unavoidable. Is it true that some ethnic groups are not allergic, and that white-skinned people are the most allergic ? David Locklear
Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy
Ichycoo red spray bottle dont know if they still make it On Oct 22, 2013 5:07 PM, Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org wrote: I'm very allergic to it, I swear I can just look at a plant and it jump on me, always have been. The best stuff I've ever found to get rid of it is http://www.walgreens.com/store/c/walgreens-poison-ivy-wash/ID=prod6113607-product Of course that's a store brand, there are other products that are named brand. I've used the walgreen's brand with very good results. it's expensive, but worth every cent. Pink stuff didn't seem to work very well, my mom always put it on me. There was also some form of tablet she would buy from the local pharmacist, drop it into a pint of water and spread the resulting concoction on me, but I swore it was just water, never seemed to help and I don't know the name either. If you can, try the above link On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 4:47 PM, David dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote: Anybody know the best proven treatment for a poison-ivy rash from personal experience? Anybody have a good theory about how to boost immunity ? 4 things that I feel make it worse are scratching, sunlight, heat or hot water, and drying off with bath towels, all of which seem unavoidable. Is it true that some ethnic groups are not allergic, and that white-skinned people are the most allergic ? David Locklear
Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy
A related product is Tecnu http://www.teclabsinc.com/products/poison-oak-ivy/tecnu, also commonly available at pharmacies. These products wash away the oily residue that causes the rash . They work best when used as soon as possible after exposure, but can help even the next day or two. Calamine (pink stuff), on the other hand, is simply a topical anesthetic and antiseptic. It reduces itching, but doesn't really cure the problem (treats the symptoms, not the disease). (I'm also not affected by poison ivy, but my partner Yvonne is extremely sensitive.) Mark At 06:06 PM 10/22/2013, Charles Goldsmith wrote: I'm very allergic to it, I swear I can just look at a plant and it jump on me, always have been. The best stuff I've ever found to get rid of it is http://www.walgreens.com/store/c/walgreens-poison-ivy-wash/ID=prod6113607-product Of course that's a store brand, there are other products that are named brand. I've used the walgreen's brand with very good results. it's expensive, but worth every cent. Pink stuff didn't seem to work very well, my mom always put it on me. There was also some form of tablet she would buy from the local pharmacist, drop it into a pint of water and spread the resulting concoction on me, but I swore it was just water, never seemed to help and I don't know the name either. If you can, try the above link On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 4:47 PM, David dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote: Anybody know the best proven treatment for a poison-ivy rash from personal experience? Anybody have a good theory about how to boost immunity ? 4 things that I feel make it worse are scratching, sunlight, heat or hot water, and drying off with bath towels, all of which seem unavoidable. Is it true that some ethnic groups are not allergic, and that white-skinned people are the most allergic ? David Locklear Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy
Good things to know. Since I am not allergic, I haven't been aware of the other treatments. Sheryl Sheryl Rieck, Senior Oracle Financials Consultant True SEM Antics, Inc. 832-632-2387 Home 361-205-1458 Cell On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net wrote: A related product is Tecnu http://www.teclabsinc.com/** products/poison-oak-ivy/tecnuhttp://www.teclabsinc.com/products/poison-oak-ivy/tecnu **, also commonly available at pharmacies. These products wash away the oily residue that causes the rash . They work best when used as soon as possible after exposure, but can help even the next day or two. Calamine (pink stuff), on the other hand, is simply a topical anesthetic and antiseptic. It reduces itching, but doesn't really cure the problem (treats the symptoms, not the disease). (I'm also not affected by poison ivy, but my partner Yvonne is extremely sensitive.) Mark At 06:06 PM 10/22/2013, Charles Goldsmith wrote: I'm very allergic to it, I swear I can just look at a plant and it jump on me, always have been. The best stuff I've ever found to get rid of it is http://www.walgreens.com/**store/c/walgreens-poison-ivy-** wash/ID=prod6113607-producthttp://www.walgreens.com/store/c/walgreens-poison-ivy-wash/ID=prod6113607-product Of course that's a store brand, there are other products that are named brand. I've used the walgreen's brand with very good results. it's expensive, but worth every cent. Pink stuff didn't seem to work very well, my mom always put it on me. There was also some form of tablet she would buy from the local pharmacist, drop it into a pint of water and spread the resulting concoction on me, but I swore it was just water, never seemed to help and I don't know the name either. If you can, try the above link On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 4:47 PM, David dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote: Anybody know the best proven treatment for a poison-ivy rash from personal experience? Anybody have a good theory about how to boost immunity ? 4 things that I feel make it worse are scratching, sunlight, heat or hot water, and drying off with bath towels, all of which seem unavoidable. Is it true that some ethnic groups are not allergic, and that white-skinned people are the most allergic ? David Locklear Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org --**--**- Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscribe@**texascavers.comtexascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-help@texascavers.**comtexascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy
DONT INHALE THE SMOKE OF IT. Sent cellularly. -Don On Oct 22, 2013, at 4:47 PM, David dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote: Anybody know the best proven treatment for a poison-ivy rash from personal experience? Anybody have a good theory about how to boost immunity ? 4 things that I feel make it worse are scratching, sunlight, heat or hot water, and drying off with bath towels, all of which seem unavoidable. Is it true that some ethnic groups are not allergic, and that white-skinned people are the most allergic ? David Locklear
RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy
The Mayo Clinic site says: For more severe or widespread rashes — especially if it's on your face or genitals — your doctor may suggest taking corticosteroid pills, such as prednisone, for a few weeks. From: donarb...@mac.com Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 17:44:13 -0500 CC: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy DONT INHALE THE SMOKE OF IT. Sent cellularly. -Don On Oct 22, 2013, at 4:47 PM, David dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote: Anybody know the best proven treatment for a poison-ivy rash from personal experience? Anybody have a good theory about how to boost immunity ? 4 things that I feel make it worse are scratching, sunlight, heat or hot water, and drying off with bath towels, all of which seem unavoidable. Is it true that some ethnic groups are not allergic, and that white-skinned people are the most allergic ? David Locklear
Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy
I am a bit more sensitive to the vine than I was in my youth. I'm sure this is the result of repeated exposure from lots of field work in the eastern woodlands and blissfully disregarding contact back in those days. Roger G. Moore -Original Message- From: George Veni gv...@nckri.org To: Texas Cavers Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tue, Oct 22, 2013 5:40 pm Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy Poison ivy never bothered me for many years, but I learned that immunity can sometimes be lost by repeated exposure. So my advice to those who are currently immune is to avoid it as much as possible. George Sent from my mobile phone George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org Original message From: Sheryl Rieck sheryl.ri...@gmail.com Date: 2013/10/22 16:31 (GMT-07:00) To: Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net Cc: TexasCavers texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy Good things to know. Since I am not allergic, I haven't been aware of the other treatments. Sheryl Sheryl Rieck, Senior Oracle Financials Consultant True SEM Antics, Inc. 832-632-2387 Home 361-205-1458 Cell On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net wrote: A related product is Tecnu http://www.teclabsinc.com/products/poison-oak-ivy/tecnu, also commonly available at pharmacies. These products wash away the oily residue that causes the rash . They work best when used as soon as possible after exposure, but can help even the next day or two. Calamine (pink stuff), on the other hand, is simply a topical anesthetic and antiseptic. It reduces itching, but doesn't really cure the problem (treats the symptoms, not the disease). (I'm also not affected by poison ivy, but my partner Yvonne is extremely sensitive.) Mark At 06:06 PM 10/22/2013, Charles Goldsmith wrote: I'm very allergic to it, I swear I can just look at a plant and it jump on me, always have been. The best stuff I've ever found to get rid of it ishttp://www.walgreens.com/store/c/walgreens-poison-ivy-wash/ID=prod6113607-product Of course that's a store brand, there are other products that are named brand. I've used the walgreen's brand with very good results. it's expensive, but worth every cent. Pink stuff didn't seem to work very well, my mom always put it on me. There was also some form of tablet she would buy from the local pharmacist, drop it into a pint of water and spread the resulting concoction on me, but I swore it was just water, never seemed to help and I don't know the name either. If you can, try the above link On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 4:47 PM, David dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote: Anybody know the best proven treatment for a poison-ivy rash from personal experience? Anybody have a good theory about how to boost immunity ? 4 things that I feel make it worse are scratching, sunlight, heat or hot water, and drying off with bath towels, all of which seem unavoidable. Is it true that some ethnic groups are not allergic, and that white-skinned people are the most allergic ? David Locklear Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy
I have had it many times. I have now from TCR. The best stuff to use is mineral spirits. The main ingredient in tecnu. Any alcohol based liquid will work. Rub it on immediately. Rinse with water after about ten minutes. There will still be a rash but it will stop it from spreading. Rub down tools with alcohol also to remove poison ivy oil. I suspect my repeated exposures has built immunity. Tom --- Original Message --- From: caverarch cavera...@aol.com Sent: October 22, 2013 6:12 PM To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy I am a bit more sensitive to the vine than I was in my youth. I'm sure this is the result of repeated exposure from lots of field work in the eastern woodlands and blissfully disregarding contact back in those days. Roger G. Moore -Original Message- From: George Veni gv...@nckri.org To: Texas Cavers Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tue, Oct 22, 2013 5:40 pm Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy Poison ivy never bothered me for many years, but I learned that immunity can sometimes be lost by repeated exposure. So my advice to those who are currently immune is to avoid it as much as possible. George Sent from my mobile phone George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org Original message From: Sheryl Rieck sheryl.ri...@gmail.com Date: 2013/10/22 16:31 (GMT-07:00) To: Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net Cc: TexasCavers texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy Good things to know. Since I am not allergic, I haven't been aware of the other treatments. Sheryl Sheryl Rieck, Senior Oracle Financials Consultant True SEM Antics, Inc. 832-632-2387 Home 361-205-1458 Cell On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net wrote: A related product is Tecnu http://www.teclabsinc.com/products/poison-oak-ivy/tecnu, also commonly available at pharmacies. These products wash away the oily residue that causes the rash . They work best when used as soon as possible after exposure, but can help even the next day or two. Calamine (pink stuff), on the other hand, is simply a topical anesthetic and antiseptic. It reduces itching, but doesn't really cure the problem (treats the symptoms, not the disease). (I'm also not affected by poison ivy, but my partner Yvonne is extremely sensitive.) Mark At 06:06 PM 10/22/2013, Charles Goldsmith wrote: I'm very allergic to it, I swear I can just look at a plant and it jump on me, always have been. The best stuff I've ever found to get rid of it ishttp://www.walgreens.com/store/c/walgreens-poison-ivy-wash/ID=prod6113607-product Of course that's a store brand, there are other products that are named brand. I've used the walgreen's brand with very good results. it's expensive, but worth every cent. Pink stuff didn't seem to work very well, my mom always put it on me. There was also some form of tablet she would buy from the local pharmacist, drop it into a pint of water and spread the resulting concoction on me, but I swore it was just water, never seemed to help and I don't know the name either. If you can, try the above link On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 4:47 PM, David dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote: Anybody know the best proven treatment for a poison-ivy rash from personal experience? Anybody have a good theory about how to boost immunity ? 4 things that I feel make it worse are scratching, sunlight, heat or hot water, and drying off with bath towels, all of which seem unavoidable. Is it true that some ethnic groups are not allergic, and that white-skinned people are the most allergic ? David Locklear Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy
This is true, by my experience. I wasn't at all allergic - could rub it on my skin to no effect until I was in my mid-30's. Was out ridge walking, and stuck my face down in a patch of it to look into a low lead under a ledge, and later noticed just the faintest of itches, but no real rash. About 6 months later, got into another patch while weeding the side yard at the old VG location on Shady Ln (river bottom, so it was everywhere) and BLAM. I am now full-blown don't even look at it allergic. On Oct 22, 2013, at 5:40 PM, George Veni gv...@nckri.org wrote: Poison ivy never bothered me for many years, but I learned that immunity can sometimes be lost by repeated exposure. So my advice to those who are currently immune is to avoid it as much as possible. George Sent from my mobile phone George Veni, Ph.D. Executive Director National Cave and Karst Research Institute 400-1 Cascades Avenue Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA Office: 575-887-5517 Mobile: 210-863-5919 Fax: 575-887-5523 gv...@nckri.org www.nckri.org Original message From: Sheryl Rieck sheryl.ri...@gmail.com Date: 2013/10/22 16:31 (GMT-07:00) To: Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net Cc: TexasCavers texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy Good things to know. Since I am not allergic, I haven't been aware of the other treatments. Sheryl Sheryl Rieck, Senior Oracle Financials Consultant True SEM Antics, Inc. 832-632-2387 Home 361-205-1458 Cell On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net wrote: A related product is Tecnu http://www.teclabsinc.com/products/poison-oak-ivy/tecnu, also commonly available at pharmacies. These products wash away the oily residue that causes the rash . They work best when used as soon as possible after exposure, but can help even the next day or two. Calamine (pink stuff), on the other hand, is simply a topical anesthetic and antiseptic. It reduces itching, but doesn't really cure the problem (treats the symptoms, not the disease). (I'm also not affected by poison ivy, but my partner Yvonne is extremely sensitive.) Mark At 06:06 PM 10/22/2013, Charles Goldsmith wrote: I'm very allergic to it, I swear I can just look at a plant and it jump on me, always have been. The best stuff I've ever found to get rid of it is http://www.walgreens.com/store/c/walgreens-poison-ivy-wash/ID=prod6113607-product Of course that's a store brand, there are other products that are named brand. I've used the walgreen's brand with very good results. it's expensive, but worth every cent. Pink stuff didn't seem to work very well, my mom always put it on me. There was also some form of tablet she would buy from the local pharmacist, drop it into a pint of water and spread the resulting concoction on me, but I swore it was just water, never seemed to help and I don't know the name either. If you can, try the above link On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 4:47 PM, David dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote: Anybody know the best proven treatment for a poison-ivy rash from personal experience? Anybody have a good theory about how to boost immunity ? 4 things that I feel make it worse are scratching, sunlight, heat or hot water, and drying off with bath towels, all of which seem unavoidable. Is it true that some ethnic groups are not allergic, and that white-skinned people are the most allergic ? David Locklear Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
