[Therion] distox

[Wookey]

+++ marco corvi [2010-04-14 13:14 +0200]:
> On Wed, 2010-04-14 at 12:22 +0100, Wookey wrote:
> > +++ marco corvi [2010-04-14 09:18 +0200]:

> > > the work on "my distox programs" is going on.
> > > you can get the programs and dome docs on the page
> > > http://marcocorvi.altervista.org/caving/distox/index.htm
> > 
> > OK. good stuff. I will download, build and test tonight if I can. 
> > 
> > 
> > OK. What's the deal with the calibration algorithm? Having that remain
> > secret is going to be a problem. I thought the device could do its
> > own calibration, but apparently it needs an external app? Perhaps we
> > can adapt the SAP calibration code (which is Free) as it must be very
> > similar. 
> 
> as far as i read, beat algo is better.
> beat should have a paper published soon in CREG
> describing the algo.
> i believe that when it is published i can put
> my reimplementation in the sources.

Hi marco - has anything happenned on this? I was waiting for the
calibration algorithm to make it into the sources before packaging it,
although we are about to have a problem because QT3 is being dropped
from distros so a QT4 port will be necessary as wel before it'll be
accepted upstream, I suspect.

I'm guessing you haven't done any work on this, but if could at least
put the calibration code in then we'd have the full codebase to work
on. Did you see Aaron curtis was looking at a reimplmentation for
android?: http://ukcaving.com/board/index.php?topic=11998.0

(which is what prompted me to poke you again)

Wookey
-- 
Principal hats:  Linaro, Emdebian, Wookware, Balloonboard, ARM
http://wookware.org/

[Therion] DistoX/2

[Martin Sluka]

You may use the Stabila LE50 as well

m.

[Therion] DistoX

[Martin Sluka]

Originaly from Luc Le Blanc

If you have a Disto A3 without the X module, this group order launched
on a NSS forum (USA) may interest you:

http://www.forums.caves.org/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=11155

Happy New Year!

[Therion] DistoX/Therion weekend course - Mendips, UK

[Andrew Atkinson]

Wookey and I on behalf of the CSCC are holding a Surveying course at the 
Wessex on the weekend of 18/19th February.

For quite a few of you this will not be a convenient location

This course follows the same format as the very successful weekend run 
in South Wales last month. Three people used the word fun to describe 
surveying!!!

We aim to go through the process of using DistoX with PocketTopo and 
then use therion to process it

More detail available at

http://ukcaving.com/board/index.php?topic=11160.0

Thanks to Martin for suggesting I post it here as well

Andrew

[Therion] distox

[marco corvi]

On Sat, 2010-07-31 at 01:43 +0100, Wookey wrote:
> +++ marco corvi [2010-05-04 16:58 +0200]:
> > On Mon, 2010-05-03 at 16:17 +0100, Wookey wrote:
> > > +++ marco corvi [2010-04-16 09:07 +0200]:
> > > > On Fri, 2010-04-16 at 04:49 +0100, Wookey wrote:
> > > > ...
> > ...
> > > 
> > > Thanx Marco. Beat's article on how to do the sums has now been
> > > published inthe CREG journal (I have a copy in front of me). So that
> > > means you can release the code and include it in topolinux.
> > 
> > asked beat, and just got his reply:
> > will try to update the sources with the implementation of
> > the calibration algo by next week.
> 
> Any action on this yet? Shall I prod Beat too?

sources are on googlecode.

marco.

[Therion] distox

[Wookey]

+++ marco corvi [2010-05-04 16:58 +0200]:
> On Mon, 2010-05-03 at 16:17 +0100, Wookey wrote:
> > +++ marco corvi [2010-04-16 09:07 +0200]:
> > > On Fri, 2010-04-16 at 04:49 +0100, Wookey wrote:
> > > ...
> ...
> > 
> > Thanx Marco. Beat's article on how to do the sums has now been
> > published inthe CREG journal (I have a copy in front of me). So that
> > means you can release the code and include it in topolinux.
> 
> asked beat, and just got his reply:
> will try to update the sources with the implementation of
> the calibration algo by next week.

Any action on this yet? Shall I prod Beat too?

Wookey
-- 
Principal hats:  Linaro, Emdebian, Wookware, Balloonboard, ARM
http://wookware.org/

[Therion] distox

[marco corvi]

On Mon, 2010-05-03 at 16:17 +0100, Wookey wrote:
> +++ marco corvi [2010-04-16 09:07 +0200]:
> > On Fri, 2010-04-16 at 04:49 +0100, Wookey wrote:
> > ...
...
> 
> Thanx Marco. Beat's article on how to do the sums has now been
> published inthe CREG journal (I have a copy in front of me). So that
> means you can release the code and include it in topolinux.

asked beat, and just got his reply:
will try to update the sources with the implementation of
the calibration algo by next week.

> I had some trouble getting bluetooth to work with the distoX and my
> openmoko and then failed to get topolinux to run with the version of
> stdlibc++ installed and actually talk to the bluetooth serial device,
> so I took my netbook underground to experiment with instead, but then
> failed to get bluetooth association even though it had been working
> justfine the evening before.

communication is wrapped up in C++ classes,
the Serial class can be compiled into an executable to test the 
bt connection with the DistoX.

> So I didn't get to try it underground usefully. But I can see that
> some changes to the interface would be helpful. 

glad to improve it.
interface was based on Qt3, (opie), to support old hardware.

> Hopefully I'll have
> some more time to work on it in order to get it going usefully for this
> summer's expo.

ok.

marco

[Therion] distox

[Martin Sluka]

On 3.5.2010, at 17:17, Wookey wrote:

> I had some trouble getting bluetooth to work with the distoX and my
> openmoko and then failed to get topolinux to run with the version of
> stdlibc++ installed and actually talk to the bluetooth serial device,
> so I took my netbook underground to experiment with instead, but then
> failed to get bluetooth association even though it had been working
> justfine the evening before.
>

There is known problem with DistoX if you try do synchronisation with  
more than one such device. It looks all DistoXs identify itselfs  
identicaly and the BT profiles are fuzzy.

m.

[Therion] distox

[Andrew Atkinson]

Bluetooth connection was a problem on one of the DistoX I have, 
sometimes it worked other times it did not ( as luck would have it, 
generally went I had taken it caving.) In the end the problem was the BT 
in the distoX, so we had to send it back to get a new one soldered on

Andrew

Wookey wrote:
> +++ marco corvi [2010-04-16 09:07 +0200]:
>> On Fri, 2010-04-16 at 04:49 +0100, Wookey wrote:
>> ...
>>> Here is a calib file. This one had 2 legs missing so has couple of
>>> extra 'downs' at the end. Not sure if that's fatal. If not could you
>>> send me back a set of numbers 
>> hi wookey,
>>
>> attached are the calibration coeffs of your disto.
>> calibration shots are well distributed over the directions.
>> max error is about 0.5 deg.
>> did not play to get it lower.
> 
> Thanx Marco. Beat's article on how to do the sums has now been
> published inthe CREG journal (I have a copy in front of me). So that
> means you can release the code and include it in topolinux.
> 
> I had some trouble getting bluetooth to work with the distoX and my
> openmoko and then failed to get topolinux to run with the version of
> stdlibc++ installed and actually talk to the bluetooth serial device,
> so I took my netbook underground to experiment with instead, but then
> failed to get bluetooth association even though it had been working
> justfine the evening before.
> 
> So I didn't get to try it underground usefully. But I can see that
> some changes to the interface would be helpful. Hopefully I'll have
> some more time to work on it in order to get it going usefully for this
> summer's expo.
> 
> Wookey

[Therion] distox

[Wookey]

+++ marco corvi [2010-04-16 09:07 +0200]:
> On Fri, 2010-04-16 at 04:49 +0100, Wookey wrote:
> ...
> > Here is a calib file. This one had 2 legs missing so has couple of
> > extra 'downs' at the end. Not sure if that's fatal. If not could you
> > send me back a set of numbers 
> 
> hi wookey,
> 
> attached are the calibration coeffs of your disto.
> calibration shots are well distributed over the directions.
> max error is about 0.5 deg.
> did not play to get it lower.

Thanx Marco. Beat's article on how to do the sums has now been
published inthe CREG journal (I have a copy in front of me). So that
means you can release the code and include it in topolinux.

I had some trouble getting bluetooth to work with the distoX and my
openmoko and then failed to get topolinux to run with the version of
stdlibc++ installed and actually talk to the bluetooth serial device,
so I took my netbook underground to experiment with instead, but then
failed to get bluetooth association even though it had been working
justfine the evening before.

So I didn't get to try it underground usefully. But I can see that
some changes to the interface would be helpful. Hopefully I'll have
some more time to work on it in order to get it going usefully for this
summer's expo.

Wookey
-- 
Principal hats:  iEndian - Balloonboard - Toby Churchill - Emdebian
http://wookware.org/

[Therion] distox

[marco corvi]

On Fri, 2010-04-16 at 04:49 +0100, Wookey wrote:
...
> Here is a calib file. This one had 2 legs missing so has could of
> extra 'downs' at the end. Not sure if that's fatal. If not could you
> sned me back a set of numbers 

hi wookey,

attached are the calibration coeffs of your disto.
calibration shots are well distributed over the directions.
max error is about 0.5 deg.
did not play to get it lower.

marco
-- next part --
0x85 0xf7 0x24 0x6e 0x1b 0x01 0x38 0xfe 
0xd4 0x02 0x9c 0xff 0xfa 0x6d 0xde 0xff 
0x28 0x02 0x54 0x00 0xde 0xff 0x20 0x6e 
0x72 0x03 0x4c 0x3a 0x1f 0x00 0x38 0xfc 
0xc1 0x00 0xbf 0xff 0xf4 0x3d 0xdd 0x00 
0xf2 0x00 0xbd 0x00 0x11 0xfd 0x66 0x40 
Calibration input data.
G: -500 -652 13492 M: -12999 -2730 20333 Set 1 0 0.2828
G: -1325 -826 -14090 M: -16320 1418 -20075 Set 1 0 0.1866
G: -762 -14254 1010 M: -14636 -21555 -1071 Set 1 0 0.1642
G: 519 -1249 13565 M: 8998 -2668 21935 Set 2 0 0.1428
G: 629 -14418 519 M: 7949 -23521 -841 Set 2 0 0.1617
G: 373 -1451 -14246 M: 6528 -410 -22795 Set 2 0 0.0967
G: 251 13346 -1761 M: 7589 23201 -592 Set 2 0 0.0714
G: 1937 -1061 13572 M: 2668 8065 22337 Set 3 0 0.3078
G: 1600 13377 1302 M: 909 23603 -5748 Set 3 0 0.0149
G: 1716 -14048 3143 M: 1659 -20137 13265 Set 3 0 0.1040
G: 1487 -409 -14326 M: -420 -9393 -22649 Set 3 0 0.1067
G: 1395 -865 13617 M: -1205 -10803 20943 Set 4 0 0.0135
G: 1251 -559 -14314 M: -3685 9476 -21848 Set 4 0 0.1386
G: 1271 -14439 -1120 M: -3216 -22350 -11650 Set 4 0 0.0085
G: 851 13446 -1026 M: -2726 22826 8863 Set 4 0 0.1975
G: -12354 155 2833 M: -25422 -8683 2791 Set 5 0 0.2728
G: -12266 -3580 997 M: -25788 -6124 -7455 Set 5 0 0.0476
G: -12173 -1550 -3982 M: -25586 7722 -4709 Set 5 0 0.3924
G: -12144 3252 -1297 M: -24797 5200 7845 Set 5 0 0.1863
G: 15206 -474 350 M: 23183 -9955 -674 Set 6 0 0.1935
G: 15193 247 -57 M: 23594 -1435 9080 Set 6 0 0.4293
G: 15171 47 -733 M: 23021 10079 412 Set 6 0 0.1536
G: 15187 -1001 -628 M: 22529 -693 -10099 Set 6 0 0.3304
G: 8035 -12408 2614 M: 4206 -24463 -2547 Set 7 0 0.1148
G: 7892 -1541 -12567 M: 3207 5014 -22927 Set 7 0 0.0031
G: 7725 11931 -1566 M: 4333 23569 5251 Set 7 0 0.3416
G: -6600 10973 -874 M: -19268 15568 7171 Set 8 0 0.1586
G: -6156 296 11412 M: -18288 -7120 15563 Set 8 0 0.2600
G: -6230 -11097 4209 M: -19168 -18104 -1787 Set 8 0 0.2282
G: -6368 -1388 -12014 M: -20190 6350 -15729 Set 8 0 0.1321
G: -7592 -1414 -11041 M: -11298 -7829 -21555 Set 9 0 0.0469
G: -7086 -11361 -1445 M: -8939 -23630 2028 Set 9 0 0.2939
G: -6673 -672 11065 M: -6973 4681 22283 Set 9 0 0.1346
G: -7001 10617 744 M: -9093 23046 -3118 Set 9 0 0.5066
G: 7938 1614 11609 M: 17923 8603 14881 Set 10 0 0.5835
G: 7763 11844 957 M: 17081 17108 -3959 Set 10 0 0.0085
G: 7533 -1293 -12754 M: 15759 -7844 -16635 Set 10 0 0.2165
G: 7656 -12852 -1879 M: 16994 -17962 2955 Set 10 0 0.1824
G: 8389 -12446 -804 M: 5492 -23579 4658 Set 11 0 0.2201
G: 8078 -239 11793 M: 5836 6631 22212 Set 11 0 0.1308
G: 8063 11643 1379 M: 4832 23667 -3015 Set 11 0 0.1207
G: 7806 -254 -12635 M: 3024 -6612 -22983 Set 11 0 0.1055
G: -8124 464 -10625 M: -23226 -5773 -12976 Set 12 0 0.2822
G: -7908 1 -116 M: -22602 12761 -5964 Set 12 0 0.0868
G: -7640 469 10336 M: -21242 7680 12426 Set 12 0 0.0769
G: -7599 -11301 582 M: -21641 -13137 6892 Set 12 0 0.2612
G: -7824 -11122 577 M: -12351 -22007 -6711 Set 13 0 0.1439
G: -7654 -1548 -11091 M: -12621 5741 -21009 Set 13 0 0.5156
G: -7583 10229 -1462 M: -11106 21701 6043 Set 13 0 0.1283
G: -7484 -236 10545 M: -10339 -7808 20272 Set 13 0 0.1033
G: 8768 -684 11343 M: 18752 -7616 14253 Set 14 0 0.2325
G: 8795 -12156 1194 M: 17525 -16715 -5818 Set 14 0 0.1296
G: 8171 -2153 -12309 M: 16406 4611 -16777 Set 14 0 0.0583
G: 7763 11863 -1520 M: 17103 17264 5527 Set 14 0 0.1799
G: 15081 -44 929 M: 23602 5172 -6109 Set 15 0 0.4988
G: 15124 422 -239 M: 23363 -5131 -7310 Set 15 0 0.3134

[Therion] distox

[Wookey]

+++ marco corvi [2010-04-14 13:14 +0200]:
> On Wed, 2010-04-14 at 12:22 +0100, Wookey wrote:
> > +++ marco corvi [2010-04-14 09:18 +0200]:
> > > hi wookey,

> > > the work on "my distox programs" is going on.
> > > you can get the programs and dome docs on the page
> > > http://marcocorvi.altervista.org/caving/distox/index.htm
> > 
> > OK. good stuff. I will download, build and test tonight if I can. 

OK, I built the test progs and got bluetooth working. I can read data
out with tlx_dump_data and set the device in calibration mode with
tlx_toggle_calib. I thought I'd failed to read the calibration data
out, but in fact it seems to be in calib_data.txt. 

I haven't yet managed to build the QT stuff. Or even tried to
cross-build it all. Will try that tomorrow (later today). 

Here is a calib file. This one had 2 legs missing so has could of
extra 'downs' at the end. Not sure if that's fatal. If not could you
sned me back a set of numbers - tehy'll be better than nothing. (It's
cold outside and very late so I can't be bothered doing it again right
now :-)

0xfe0c 0xfd74 0x34b4 0xcd39 0xf556 0x4f6d -1 0
0xfad3 0xfcc6 0xc8f6 0xc040 0x058a 0xb195 -1 0
0xfd06 0xc852 0x03f2 0xc6d4 0xabcd 0xfbd1 -1 0
0x0207 0xfb1f 0x34fd 0x2326 0xf594 0x55af -1 0
0x0275 0xc7ae 0x0207 0x1f0d 0xa41f 0xfcb7 -1 0
0x0175 0xfa55 0xc85a 0x1980 0xfe66 0xa6f5 -1 0
0x00fb 0x3422 0xf91f 0x1da5 0x5aa1 0xfdb0 -1 0
0x0791 0xfbdb 0x3504 0x0a6c 0x1f81 0x5741 -1 0
0x0640 0x3441 0x0516 0x038d 0x5c33 0xe98c -1 0
0x06b4 0xc920 0x0c47 0x067b 0xb157 0x33d1 -1 0
0x05cf 0xfe67 0xc80a 0xfe5c 0xdb4f 0xa787 -1 0
0x0573 0xfc9f 0x3531 0xfb4b 0xd5cd 0x51cf -1 0
0x04e3 0xfdd1 0xc816 0xf19b 0x2504 0xaaa8 -1 0
0x04f7 0xc799 0xfba0 0xf370 0xa8b2 0xd27e -1 0
0x0353 0x3486 0xfbfe 0xf55a 0x592a 0x229f -1 0
0xcfbe 0x009b 0x0b11 0x9cb2 0xde15 0x0ae7 -1 0
0xd016 0xf204 0x03e5 0x9b44 0xe814 0xe2e1 -1 0
0xd073 0xf9f2 0xf072 0x9c0e 0x1e2a 0xed9b -1 0
0xd090 0x0cb4 0xfaef 0x9f23 0x1450 0x1ea5 -1 0
0x3b66 0xfe26 0x015e 0x5a8f 0xd91d 0xfd5e -1 0
0x3b59 0x00f7 0xffc7 0x5c2a 0xfa65 0x2378 -1 0
0x3b43 0x002f 0xfd23 0x59ed 0x275f 0x019c -1 0
0x3b53 0xfc17 0xfd8c 0x5801 0xfd4b 0xd88d -1 0
0x1f63 0xcf88 0x0a36 0x106e 0xa071 0xf60d -1 0
0x1ed4 0xf9fb 0xcee9 0x0c87 0x1396 0xa671 -1 0
0x1e2d 0x2e9b 0xf9e2 0x10ed 0x5c11 0x1483 -1 0
0xe638 0x2add 0xfc96 0xb4bc 0x3cd0 0x1c03 -1 0
0xe7f4 0x0128 0x2c94 0xb890 0xe430 0x3ccb -1 0
0xe7aa 0xd4a7 0x1071 0xb520 0xb948 0xf905 -1 0
0xe720 0xfa94 0xd112 0xb122 0x18ce 0xc28f -1 0
0xe258 0xfa7a 0xd4df 0xd3de 0xe16b 0xabcd -1 0
0xe452 0xd39f 0xfa5b 0xdd15 0xa3b2 0x07ec -1 0
0xe5ef 0xfd60 0x2b39 0xe4c3 0x1249 0x570b -1 0
0xe4a7 0x2979 0x02e8 0xdc7b 0x5a06 0xf3d2 -1 0
0x1f02 0x064e 0x2d59 0x4603 0x219b 0x3a21 -1 0
0x1e53 0x2e44 0x03bd 0x42b9 0x42d4 0xf089 -1 0
0x1d6d 0xfaf3 0xce2e 0x3d8f 0xe15c 0xbf05 -1 0
0x1de8 0xcdcc 0xf8a9 0x4262 0xb9d6 0x0b8b -1 0
0x20c5 0xcf62 0xfcdc 0x1574 0xa3e5 0x1232 -1 0
0x1f8e 0xff11 0x2e11 0x16cc 0x19e7 0x56c4 -1 0
0x1f7f 0x2d7b 0x0563 0x12e0 0x5c73 0xf439 -1 0
0x1e7e 0xff02 0xcea5 0x0bd0 0xe62c 0xa639 -1 0
0xe044 0x01d0 0xd67f 0xa546 0xe973 0xcd50 -1 0
0xe11c 0x2710 0xff8c 0xa7b6 0x31d9 0xe8b4 -1 0
0xe228 0x01d5 0x2860 0xad06 0x1e00 0x308a -1 0
0xe251 0xd3db 0x0246 0xab77 0xccaf 0x1aec -1 0
0xe170 0xd48e 0x0241 0xcfc1 0xaa09 0xe5c9 -1 0
0xe21a 0xf9f4 0xd4ad 0xceb3 0x166d 0xadef -1 0
0xe261 0x27f5 0xfa4a 0xd49e 0x54c5 0x179b -1 0
0xe2c4 0xff14 0x2931 0xd79d 0xe180 0x4f30 -1 0
0x2240 0xfd54 0x2c4f 0x4940 0xe240 0x37ad -1 0
0x225b 0xd084 0x04aa 0x4475 0xbeb5 0xe946 -1 0
0x1feb 0xf797 0xcfeb 0x4016 0x1203 0xbe77 -1 0
0x1e53 0x2e57 0xfa10 0x42cf 0x4370 0x1597 -1 0
0x3ae9 0xffd4 0x03a1 0x5c32 0x1434 0xe823 -1 0
0x3b14 0x01a6 0xff11 0x5b43 0xebf5 0xe372 -1 0

I'll debianise your package and upload it once I have it all working. 

Wookey
-- 
Principal hats:  iEndian - Balloonboard - Toby Churchill - Emdebian
http://wookware.org/

[Therion] distox

[marco corvi]

On Wed, 2010-04-14 at 12:22 +0100, Wookey wrote:
> +++ marco corvi [2010-04-14 09:18 +0200]:
> > hi wookey,
> 
> Is there any reason you replied off-list? I'm sure this would be
> interesting to others.

none.
i just clicked on the sender name out of abit.

> > the work on "my distox programs" is going on.
> > you can get the programs and dome docs on the page
> > http://marcocorvi.altervista.org/caving/distox/index.htm
> 
> OK. good stuff. I will download, build and test tonight if I can. 
> 
> > important catch:
> > my programs are meant to work with single survey.
> > i rely on therion for the full cave(s) survey.
> > also i do not have a portable device to take in the
> > cave, so i do not focus much on working on-line,
> > but on working off-line.
> 
> OK. I do, so maybe I can help with that. I think it's important to get
> something like the pocketopo functionality on non-windows devices. 

agree.
any help is very much appreciated.

> > recent changes (besides bug fixes), 
> > added pockettopo import/export (beat told me the file format
> > and we had an email exchange about how to address the
> > programs interoperability),
> > worked on compass export, and therion export.
> > reorganized some of the code.
> > not sure these are all online.
> 
> OK. What's the deal with the calibration algorithm? Having that remain
> secret is going to be a problem. I thought the device could do its
> own calibration, but apparently it needs an external app? Perhaps we
> can adapt the SAP calibration code (which is Free) as it must be very
> similar. 

as far as i read, beat algo is better.
beat should have a paper published soon in CREG
describing the algo.
i believe that when it is published i can put
my reimplementation in the sources.

> What do you have and what have you agreed not to disclose? If
> it's just the code then re-implementation via an explanation of the
> algorithm should be fine.
> 
> > i was considering dropping the QT3 support and work only 
> > with QT4 (better classes and easier interfaces).
> 
> OK. I guess that is the way forward now. I guess that could be a
> problem for GTK-based devices with limited storage. 

yes.

marco

[Therion] DistoX and PocketTopo with Therion

[Wookey]

+++ marco corvi [2009-03-24 12:43 +0100]:
> also i have a distoX.
> i am writing a program to use it with linux.
> (the programs runs also on windows).
> 
> export as therion, of course.
> 
> anyone interested to alpha test ?
> (cannot guarantee, but is should not damage your distox)

Any progress on this Marco (or anyone else?) 

I have joined the DistoX club too and there is a CSG meet next
weekend. I would like to have it talking to my (linux) mobile phone
(openmoko).

Beat has still not openned the Pocketopo codebase, despite saying he
might one day. I am inclined to write a free version rather than wait
longer. I'm hoping someone has already done some of this work?

Even a really simple app to log the bluetooth data would be a useful
start.

Wookey
-- 
Principal hats:  iEndian - Balloonboard - Toby Churchill - Emdebian
http://wookware.org/

[Therion] DistoX and PocketTopo with Therion

[Martin Sluka]

On 20.4.2009, at 17:49, Wookey wrote:

> Easytopo? Where does that come from - or is that a typo for  
> pockettopo?

typo, sorry

> Who writes PocketTopo? Is the code available so we could just make it
> directly export both survex and therion data? (and so we could port it
> to Linux perhaps).

Beat Heeb himself - paperless.bheeb.ch

m.

[Therion] DistoX and PocketTopo with Therion

[Martin Budaj]

On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Wookey  wrote:

> Therion 5.2.7 comes with a pt2pdf.pl script which does a direct
> conversion of the 'therion' pockettopo export file into a PDF file
> containing the data in 3 column format and then the actual
> rendered plan and elevation, over 4 pages.

> I guess that's useful as something you could import and draw over,
> but it seems useless for importing the actual data. It is this script I
> rewrote to just turn the 'therion export' format file into something which
> therion could actually understand directly.

pt2pdf is intended for archivation. It will be included as a tool in
xtherion in the future (this is the reason why it is not documented
yet).

You can already import 'therion export' from PocketTopo directly into
latest XTherion:

   - centerline in text editor - File->Import->PocketTopo therion export
   - sketches in map editor - Backgroud Images->Insert->PocketTopo
therion export

> Who writes PocketTopo? Is the code available so we could just make it
> directly export both survex and therion data? (and so we could port it
> to Linux perhaps).

Beat Heeb, author of DistoX. Unfortunately it is closed-source, like Auriga.

Martin

[Therion] DistoX and PocketTopo with Therion

[Martin Sluka]

On 20.4.2009, at 16:51, Footleg wrote:

> Therion export file in a plain text editor, but could not determine  
> the actual survey data from the sketches (I am not an experienced  
> Therion user).

Therion export file from PockeTopo is an intermediate format. The  
data and sketches are generated right in Therion - Import for data  
and Insert background images -> format PocketTopo for sketches.

m.

[Therion] DistoX and PocketTopo with Therion

[Wookey]

+++ Martin Sluka [2009-04-20 17:05 +0200]:
>
> On 20.4.2009, at 16:51, Footleg wrote:
>
>> Therion export file in a plain text editor, but could not determine  
>> the actual survey data from the sketches (I am not an experienced  
>> Therion user).
>
> Therion export file from PockeTopo is an intermediate format. 

Indeed. Pockettopo puts out threee slightly different text files, none
of which is actually in therion or survex format. The one intended
for toporobot is closest to one you could use directly in survex.

I don't really understand why it outputs something called 'therion
export' which is not in therion format. 

In another message, decribing the process you say:
"At base camp, or at home you export data from EasyTopo and import
both data and sketches into Therion."

Easytopo? Where does that come from - or is that a typo for pockettopo?

Therion 5.2.7 comes with a pt2pdf.pl script which does a direct
conversion of the 'therion' pockettopo export file into a PDF file
containing the data in 3 column format and then the actual
rendered plan and elevation, over 4 pages.

I guess that's useful as something you could import and draw over,
but it seems useless for importing the actual data. It is this script I
rewrote to just turn the 'therion export' format file into something which
therion could actually understand directly. 

I get the feeling that I am missing something here...

Who writes PocketTopo? Is the code available so we could just make it
directly export both survex and therion data? (and so we could port it
to Linux perhaps). 

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[Martin Sluka]

On 20.4.2009, at 16:04, Footleg wrote:

> Just returned from Matienzo exedition in Spain using a DistoX with  
> PocketTopo on a Windows Mobile PDA. I found it to be a very  
> powerful and time saving way to survey. Sketching underground is  
> still the rate limiting step, but being able to extract the data  
> (into Survex in my case) and get a scale survey printed out within  
> minutes after the trip was superb.

Just an example of real using of Therion - Dave Clucas drawn more  
than 24 km of new explored passages on Mulu 2009 expedition. The  
attached file illustrated what was finished at the day of end of  
expedition.

Footleg, I know, I wrote it before, but just try the import to  
therion from data file exported from PocketTopo. Both to data editor  
and map editor.

Martin

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[Footleg]

Yes, I realise PocketTopo exports directly to Therion, but we are using
Survex to manage the survey data and I am drawing up the finished surveys in
Tunnel. If I import to Therion then I am not aware of a method to get my
data out again to use in Survex. I did take a look at the Therion export
file in a plain text editor, but could not determine the actual survey data
from the sketches (I am not an experienced Therion user).

Footleg

2009/4/20 Martin Sluka 

>
>
> Footleg, I know, I wrote it before, but just try the import to therion from
> data file exported from PocketTopo. Both to data editor and map editor.
>
> Martin
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[Footleg]

Just returned from Matienzo exedition in Spain using a DistoX with
PocketTopo on a Windows Mobile PDA. I found it to be a very powerful and
time saving way to survey. Sketching underground is still the rate limiting
step, but being able to extract the data (into Survex in my case) and get a
scale survey printed out within minutes after the trip was superb.

My tool for getting existing Survex data into PocketTopo, and getting data
from the surveying trip into Survex from the PDA is detailed here:
http://www.darkgem.com/wscc/caving-talk/index.php?title=CaveSurveyDataConverter

Footleg

2009/4/20 Wookey 

> +++ Guido Verhoeven [2009-04-20 13:27 +0200]:
> >Hello
> >
> >Do you know about Auriga from Luc Le Blanc? This runs on a Palm. (see:
> >[1]http://www.speleo.qc.ca/auriga/)
>
> Yes. At the CSG meet yesterday we used a distoX with both Auriga and
> pockettopo, and compared with a SAP+Disto and conventional
> instruments. i.e we surveyed the same route 4 times with 4
> methods/teams at once and had 6 laser measures on one trip :-)
>
> I also worked on the data import from pockettopo to Therion (not quite
> finished), as a variation on the existing pt2pdf script. I have not
> yet tried the auriga import because I failed to extract data from it.
>
> This work will be reported in in more detail in Compass Points, but
> various issues arose to do with platform support, calibration,
> bluetooth syncing, data transfer, distoX-disto integration, auriga
> focus bug and data import. The SAP/conventional surveyors were still
> much faster by the time we had made all our computers work, but even
> so the process, especially with pockettopo, is very powerful and
> promising, and is clearly the way to go. But it does still need a bit
> of work to reduce the pain and faffing :-)
>
> Thanks to all involved for very useful excercise and especially Svein
> and Torsten for bringing lots of cool toys from Norway.
>
> Wookey
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[Guido Verhoeven]

Hello



Do you know about Auriga from Luc Le Blanc? This runs on a Palm. (see: 
http://www.speleo.qc.ca/auriga/)



Guido





> Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 14:34:08 +0100
> From: wookey at wookware.org
> To: therion at speleo.sk
> Subject: Re: [Therion] DistoX and PocketTopo with Therion
> 
> +++ marco corvi [2009-03-24 12:43 +0100]:
> > On Tue, 2009-03-24 at 21:50 +1300, Bruce Mutton wrote:
> > > Hi there
> > > 
> > > I have a Disto arriving hopefully in a few days, and looking ahead
> > > I’ve been tentatively trialling PocketTopo on my PC.
> > > 
> > > 
> > hi,
> > 
> > also i have a distoX.
> > i am writing a program to use it with linux.
> > (the programs runs also on windows).
> > 
> > export as therion, of course.
> > 
> > anyone interested to alpha test ?
> > (cannot guarantee, but is should not damage your distox)
> 
> John Pybus has a disto and no Windows machines so he will no doubt be
> interested...
> 
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[Wookey]

+++ Guido Verhoeven [2009-04-20 13:27 +0200]:
>Hello
> 
>Do you know about Auriga from Luc Le Blanc? This runs on a Palm. (see:
>[1]http://www.speleo.qc.ca/auriga/)

Yes. At the CSG meet yesterday we used a distoX with both Auriga and
pockettopo, and compared with a SAP+Disto and conventional
instruments. i.e we surveyed the same route 4 times with 4
methods/teams at once and had 6 laser measures on one trip :-)

I also worked on the data import from pockettopo to Therion (not quite
finished), as a variation on the existing pt2pdf script. I have not
yet tried the auriga import because I failed to extract data from it.

This work will be reported in in more detail in Compass Points, but
various issues arose to do with platform support, calibration,
bluetooth syncing, data transfer, distoX-disto integration, auriga
focus bug and data import. The SAP/conventional surveyors were still
much faster by the time we had made all our computers work, but even
so the process, especially with pockettopo, is very powerful and
promising, and is clearly the way to go. But it does still need a bit
of work to reduce the pain and faffing :-)

Thanks to all involved for very useful excercise and especially Svein
and Torsten for bringing lots of cool toys from Norway. 

Wookey
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[Therion] DistoX and PocketTopo with Therion

[Martin Sluka]

Me too, please,

Martin S.


>Hi all,
>
>I should be interested too...
>
>Thierry
>
>Wookey a écrit :
>> +++ marco corvi [2009-03-24 12:43 +0100]:
>>   
>>> On Tue, 2009-03-24 at 21:50 +1300, Bruce Mutton wrote:
>>> 
 Hi there

 I have a Disto arriving hopefully in a few days, and looking ahead
 I’ve been tentatively trialling PocketTopo on my PC.

  
   
>>> hi,
>>>
>>> also i have a distoX.
>>> i am writing a program to use it with linux.
>>> (the programs runs also on windows).
>>>
>>> export as therion, of course.
>>>
>>> anyone interested to alpha test ?
>>> (cannot guarantee, but is should not damage your distox)
>>> 
>>
>> John Pybus has a disto and no Windows machines so he will no doubt be
>> interested...
>>
>> Wookey
>>   
>
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[Therion] DistoX and PocketTopo with Therion

[thierrygonon]

Hi all,

I should be interested too...

Thierry

Wookey a écrit :
> +++ marco corvi [2009-03-24 12:43 +0100]:
>   
>> On Tue, 2009-03-24 at 21:50 +1300, Bruce Mutton wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi there
>>>
>>> I have a Disto arriving hopefully in a few days, and looking ahead
>>> I’ve been tentatively trialling PocketTopo on my PC.
>>>
>>>  
>>>   
>> hi,
>>
>> also i have a distoX.
>> i am writing a program to use it with linux.
>> (the programs runs also on windows).
>>
>> export as therion, of course.
>>
>> anyone interested to alpha test ?
>> (cannot guarantee, but is should not damage your distox)
>> 
>
> John Pybus has a disto and no Windows machines so he will no doubt be
> interested...
>
> Wookey
>   

[Therion] DistoX and PocketTopo with Therion

[Wookey]

+++ marco corvi [2009-03-24 12:43 +0100]:
> On Tue, 2009-03-24 at 21:50 +1300, Bruce Mutton wrote:
> > Hi there
> > 
> > I have a Disto arriving hopefully in a few days, and looking ahead
> > I’ve been tentatively trialling PocketTopo on my PC.
> > 
> >  
> hi,
> 
> also i have a distoX.
> i am writing a program to use it with linux.
> (the programs runs also on windows).
> 
> export as therion, of course.
> 
> anyone interested to alpha test ?
> (cannot guarantee, but is should not damage your distox)

John Pybus has a disto and no Windows machines so he will no doubt be
interested...

Wookey
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[Therion] DistoX and PocketTopo with Therion

[Bruce Mutton]

Thanks for the tip Martin, however it only partly helps if one is to
maintain an 0126.123 system on the pocket topo and a AZ123 system in
Therion.

Somewhere the 0126. must be deleted and then Therion can prefix the AZ as
you describe.

If one does NOT load all past surveys for the cave in pocket topo then it
will work OK, but this seems to defeat one of the nicer features.

Bruce

-Original Message-
From: therion-bounces at speleo.sk [mailto:therion-boun...@speleo.sk] On Behalf
Of Martin Sluka
Sent: Wednesday, 25 March 2009 8:38 a.m.
To: List for Therion users
Subject: Re: [Therion] DistoX and PocketTopo with Therion


On 24.3.2009, at 20:07, Bruce Mutton wrote:

>  I guess I'll have to convert letters to digits.

from therionbook p.21:

. station-names   . adds given prefix/suffix to all  
survey stations
in the current centreline. Saves some typing.

Hope it helps.

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[Therion] DistoX and PocketTopo with Therion

[Martin Sluka]

One note more:

There is a practical problem if you have to draw and there are too  
many splay shots.  Only solution now is one MUST measure and draw  
too. If measurement is done by somebody else the drawer is not able  
to recognize which shot is which.

And one should use the splay shots very carefully.

m.

[Therion] DistoX and PocketTopo with Therion

[Bruce Mutton]

There are a lot of Martins!

Thank you all who responded.  I'll spend some time and digest the
information, and check it out in due course.

Martin B came up with one of the key pieces of information that I'd seen
before but forgotten.

>This is a special intermediate format which can be easily imported
>into xtherion:
>
> * added import functions for PocketTopo export
>   - centerline in text editor - File->Import->PocketTopo therion export
>   - sketches in map editor - Backgroud Images->Insert->PocketTopo
>therion export
>
>There are some issues, but most of the features are supported.

The toporobot website is a bit of a challenge for a lowly English speaker,
but luckily the "toporobot method" page has lots of pictures, so I get the
drift.  This numbering system will cause some consternation over here,
because we usually use lettered prefix's to describe the survey year and
trip/team.  I guess I'll have to convert letters to digits.

Thanks again
Bruce

[Therion] DistoX and PocketTopo with Therion

[Bruce Mutton]

Hi there

I have a Disto arriving hopefully in a few days, and looking ahead I've been
tentatively trialling PocketTopo on my PC.



I suspect therein lies my first problem.  Perhaps it only has limited
functionality on PC's?

I can manually enter data, but I can not seem to draw passage outline.  



The Export Therion format does not seem to produce data in a format similar
to what Therion normally accepts - after the data it produces some form of
co-ords separated into plan and elevation partitions.  Most of the survey
stations are converted to 10 digit numbers and all of the keywords are in
capitals.  Much of the file content could be made Therion compatible
relatively easily using a text editor, but surely this is not what is
intended?



Obviously there is something significant here that I am missing.  Have
searched about but have not found the solution yet.



Does anyone have a small dataset that demonstrates the interaction between
PocketTopo and Therion?



Bruce

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[Martin Sluka]

On 24.3.2009, at 20:07, Bruce Mutton wrote:

>  I guess I'll have to convert letters to digits.

from therionbook p.21:

• station-names   . adds given prefix/suffix to all  
survey stations
in the current centreline. Saves some typing.

Hope it helps.

m.s.

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[marco corvi]

On Tue, 2009-03-24 at 21:50 +1300, Bruce Mutton wrote:
> Hi there
> 
> I have a Disto arriving hopefully in a few days, and looking ahead
> I’ve been tentatively trialling PocketTopo on my PC.
> 
>  
hi,

also i have a distoX.
i am writing a program to use it with linux.
(the programs runs also on windows).

export as therion, of course.

anyone interested to alpha test ?
(cannot guarantee, but is should not damage your distox)

marco.

[Therion] DistoX and PocketTopo with Therion

[Martin Sluka]

My answer from ukcaving forum:

Note: for DistoX use primary Lithium AAA cells from Energizer. They  
have the highest capacity from all AAA cells, they work from -40 to  
+60 Celsius without significant loss of capacity, they will not  
discharge 15 years (!). They are not cheap :(

My workflow:

1. From station 1.0 (you must follow the Toporobot logic of station  
numbering, series, etc. - http://www.geo.unizh.ch/~heller/ 
toporobot/ ) you start measure the splay shots - it means you measure  
the important points and objects around the station 1.0.

2. You measure the surveying leg from station 1.0 to station 1.1  
three times.

3. On your PocketPC in EasyTopo program you check the shots and draw  
the map, extended elevation and profile (optionaly) based on real  
measurements - splay shots and leg in map and elevation editor.

4. Go to station 1.1 and repeat.

You should receive in scale drawn map and elevation of surveyed part  
of cave at the end of your surveying trip.

At base camp, or at home you export data from EasyTopo and import  
both data and sketches into Therion. You redraw the map, elevation  
and profiles in Therion to receive the final map. Or you may export  
from Therion only the sketches to PDF and print them too.

Calibration is question of 15-20 minutes.

Martin

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[Martin Budaj]

> The Export Therion format does not seem to produce data in a format similar
> to what Therion normally accepts – after the data it produces some form of
> co-ords separated into plan and elevation partitions.  Most of the survey
> stations are converted to 10 digit numbers and all of the keywords are in
> capitals.  Much of the file content could be made Therion compatible
> relatively easily using a text editor, but surely this is not what is
> intended?

This is a special intermediate format which can be easily imported
into xtherion:

 * added import functions for PocketTopo export
   - centerline in text editor - File->Import->PocketTopo therion export
   - sketches in map editor - Backgroud Images->Insert->PocketTopo
therion export

There are some issues, but most of the features are supported.

Martin

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[Matthias Mansfeld]

On 24 Mar 2009 at 10:02, Martin Luethi wrote:

> Bruce
> 
> 
> Bruce Mutton writes:
>  > I have a Disto arriving hopefully in a few days, and looking ahead
>  I've been > tentatively trialling PocketTopo on my PC.
> 
> 
> Disto / PocketTopo seems to get quite some traction here in
> Switzerland. I never actually used that software, but I got some parts
> of a cavemap that was produced with PocketTopo. It is definitively not
> Therion format.

The very latest version 1.21 should have an option "Export >> 
Therion". Is this export file format not suitable for Therion?

Regards
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[Martin Luethi]

Bruce


Bruce Mutton writes:
 > I have a Disto arriving hopefully in a few days, and looking ahead I've been
 > tentatively trialling PocketTopo on my PC.


Disto / PocketTopo seems to get quite some traction here in Switzerland. I
never actually used that software, but I got some parts of a cavemap that was
produced with PocketTopo. It is definitively not Therion format.

Attached is a first try to make something useful from the tpo file. I do a
simple translation in absolute coordinates, and add a million splay commands
where necessary. Also there seem to be whole drawings in the tpo file, that I
am able to plot.

To run the program you'll need Python, and Matplotlib for the drawing
part. Very rough, but working.

Best, Martin

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