Re: [tw] [TW5] Markdown as default for New Tiddler

2014-12-11 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Arthur

 I haven't figured out how to make every new tiddler to default to
markdown.

This ought to be configurable in control panel. For the moment, you can
create a custom new markdown tiddler button like this:

* create a tiddler called `$:/_newmarkdowntiddler`
* Add the tag $:/tags/PageControls
* Add a field called caption  with the content
{{$:/core/images/new-button}} new markdown tiddler
* Add a field called description with the content Create a new markdown
tiddler
* Set the text to:

$button tooltip=Create a new markdown tiddler aria-label=new markdown
tiddler class=tv-config-toolbar-class
$action-sendmessage $message=tm-new-tiddler type=text/x-markdown/
$list filter=[tv-config-toolbar-iconsprefix[yes]]
{{$:/core/images/new-button}}
/$list
$list filter=[tv-config-toolbar-textprefix[yes]]
span class=tc-btn-textnew markdown tiddler/span
/$list
/$button

Best wishes

Jeremy.



On Fri, Dec 5, 2014 at 8:51 PM, Arthur Borshenko aborshe...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Hi All,

 I have a question about TW5 and changing the new tiddler setting or
 macro maybe. I'm brand new and have not completely grasped how everything
 works.

 I want to make every new tiddler to default to markdown plugin as the
 editor. I have installed the plugin and I'm able to switch the content type
 to markdown manually, but I haven't figured out how to make every new
 tiddler to default to markdown.

 I've searched through the tiddlywiki.com, but couldn't find an answer.
 Thank you for your help.

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Re: [tw] How to assign subtitles field to macro

2014-12-11 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Tobias

...not exactly related, but is are there considerations of supporting a few
 bits more of markdown syntax in tw5, e.g.:


No, I'm not particularly interested in adding more Markdown syntax to
WikiText. I'm actually more interested in going the other way: enabling
Markdown to support WikiText features like transclusion and macro calls.

Best wishes

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 [the link](http://site.com)

 ?

 Best wishes, Tobias.




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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2014-12-11 Thread Birthe C
Hi Duarte
Lovely fish, beautifully coloured. We could pick colours from that for many 
a TiddlyWiki palette.


Birthe

On Thursday, December 11, 2014 5:33:04 AM UTC+1, Duarte Farrajota Ramos 
wrote:

 http://www.duarteramos.pt/media/share/DPFR_tiddlywikiposter_Tiddler.jpg
 Ok, so here is my entry, what do you guys think?
 The text is generic, may be adjusted to whatever you want later, its was 
 designed in Inkscape so the original is a full vector artwork available in 
 SVG:




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[tw] TW5 What is the meaning of foo, bar, baz?

2014-12-11 Thread Birthe C
Hi

Would someone please explain to me the meaning of foo, bar, baz and all 
that jazz?
I have of course tried to google but the meaning seem to change. I searched 
this TiddlyWiki group and found that the use is increasing. Lots of 
messages containing those words, but I found no explanation.

Wikipedia starts telling the origin is fubar and the meaning, fucked up 
beyond repair. Now that is how I feel reading it right now.

I do understand that programmers have to be able to communicate, that it 
might not be supposed to be understandable for users only.
I just so want to learn from the examples given.


Birthe

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[tw] Re: TW5 What is the meaning of foo, bar, baz?

2014-12-11 Thread Felix Küppers
Hi Birthe,

it's just a convention to use these words as meaningless placeholders. This 
way people (mostly programmers) quickly understand that this is an example.

Regards
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[tw] Re: Slideshow with TW5?

2014-12-11 Thread Joerg Plewe
Thank you for your answer  talkytalky really looks nice. 

Do you know where I can find the necessary plugins or how the authoring 
process works?

. J

Am Montag, 8. Dezember 2014 13:44:52 UTC+1 schrieb Sylvain Naudin:

 Hi,

 I know that Jeremy had publish 2 examples :


- The latest example (with prerelease version) : 
http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/editions/introduction/
- And a previous version september 2014 (5.1.3) : 
http://tiddlywiki.com/talkytalky/


 I didn't try myself, but it sounds it's possible :)

 Sylvain


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[tw] Re: Slideshow with TW5?

2014-12-11 Thread Joerg Plewe
Thank you Mat!

This looks good for the presentation. But what about authoring the slides?

. Jörg

Am Montag, 8. Dezember 2014 17:20:26 UTC+1 schrieb Mat:

 See what you think about ControlpanelAppearenceStory viewZoomin

 :-)

 On Monday, December 8, 2014 1:15:53 PM UTC+1, Joerg Plewe wrote:

 Hello Group!

 I'm quite new to TW and exploring it down to the technical/developer 
 level for use in my company. 
 This will end up in a presentation ... so can I create the slideshow in 
 TW5 directly? 
 Is there a suitable plugin?

 Still very confused, hope you can help,

 . Jörg



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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2014-12-11 Thread Tobias Beer


 Ok, so here is my entry, what do you guys think?


It's pretty awesome, is what I think. 

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Markdown as default for New Tiddler

2014-12-11 Thread Felix Küppers
Yes, good idea!

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[tw] Re: TW5: title display size

2014-12-11 Thread Tobias Beer
See if that helps...

http://style.tiddlyspot.com

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] swarms of tiddlers

2014-12-11 Thread chris . dent

On Wed, 10 Dec 2014, Mat wrote:


Probably not a coincidence - I have most likely been influenced by blog
posts of yours, and specifically remember reading about your fascination
with the individual tiddler rather than the whole TW. BTW how would you say
your TANK https://tank.peermore.com/ project manifests this vision? (I am
not a member there).


On the surface Tank is mostly just trying to be a simple page-oriented
wiki but it has a few features (beyond those already provided by
straight TiddlyWeb) with which it tries to make the swarms of individual
and collections of tiddlers a bit more available:

* The auth model + full CORS support makes it fairly straightforward
  for other interfaces and web services to do CRUD operations on
  tiddlers. You can create named revokable keys which you can give
  to various applications or tools.

* There is a thing call the policy manager[1] which makes it easier to
  adjust the policy settings on individual bags so that you can easily
  say what users can do what actions on the bags. Support for recipes
  is pending.

* Tiddlers are easy to move between tanks.

* Compositions[2] make adding additional functionality (both simple[3]
  and complex[4]) a matter of putting the right things in the right
  place.

* Like tiddlyspace there are websocket notifications and atom feeds of
  most everything, so other systems can be easily made aware when
  stuff happens.

Properly functioning CORS support was a bit of a struggle to get
right, but it goes a very long way to making it possible to build
things _elsewhere_ that happen to use tiddlers that are kept in tank.

The features list is worth gazing at:
https://tank.peermore.com/tanks/docs/Features

[1] https://tank.peermore.com/tanks/docs/Policy%20Manager

[2] https://tank.peermore.com/tanks/docs/composition

[3] https://tank.peermore.com/tanks/journalizer/index
https://tank.peermore.com/tanks/bookmarker/index

[4] https://tank.peermore.com/tanks/tw5/index

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Help with New task here functionality

2014-12-11 Thread Tobias Beer
Have a look at...

$:/core/ui/Buttons/new-journal-here 
http://tiddlywiki.com/#%24%3A%2Fcore%2Fui%2FButtons%2Fnew-journal-here

...which contains the button-code for creating a new journal entry tagging 
to a given tiddler.

Best wishes, Tobias.

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Re: [tw] How to assign subtitles field to macro

2014-12-11 Thread Tobias Beer


 No, I'm not particularly interested in adding more Markdown syntax to 
 WikiText. I'm actually more interested in going the other way: enabling 
 Markdown to support WikiText features like transclusion and macro calls.
 javascript:


Just as fine, I presume.

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[tw] Re: TW5 What is the meaning of foo, bar, baz?

2014-12-11 Thread Tobias Beer
It's like lorem ipsum for developers.
Now, sprinky some demystify. :D

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[tw] Re: Slideshow with TW5?

2014-12-11 Thread Tobias Beer


 Do you know where I can find the necessary plugins or how the authoring 
 process works?


Someone correct me if I am wrong, I believe all you need to do is switch 
the themes back and forth.

Best wishes, Tobias. 

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Re: [tw] [TW5] Markdown as default for New Tiddler

2014-12-11 Thread Tobias Beer
Hi Jeremy,
 

 This ought to be configurable in control panel. For the moment, you can 
 create a custom new markdown tiddler button like this:


Very clear instructions on how to make such a button, thanks...

New MarkDown Button @ tb5 
http://tb5.tiddlyspot.com/#New%20MarkDown%20Button

I believe this needs a little updating...

http://tiddlywiki.com/#WidgetMessage%3A%20tm-new-tiddler

It seems there's more to it than just a param attribute now.
Btw., I find the param attribute a bit confusing.
Where's that name coming from?

Best wishes, Tobias.

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[tw] Re: TW5 What is the meaning of foo, bar, baz?

2014-12-11 Thread Birthe C
Thank you Felix and Tobias
I see it is what I thought it was.


Birthe


On Thursday, December 11, 2014 11:58:03 AM UTC+1, Tobias Beer wrote:

 It's like lorem ipsum for developers.
 Now, sprinky some demystify. :D

 Best wishes, Tobias.


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[tw] Re: Slideshow with TW5?

2014-12-11 Thread Birthe C
Hi Joerg
TalkyTalky uses the punch theme. You are able to use the toolbar button 
hovering them. Use the double chevron in the upper right corner to view 
sidebar. Going to the system tab you will see, two custom ViewTemplates, 
$:/_fullscreen-button and $:/_talkytalky-styles. The tiddlers are listed in 
default tiddlers,


Birthe

On Thursday, December 11, 2014 11:58:49 AM UTC+1, Tobias Beer wrote:

 Do you know where I can find the necessary plugins or how the authoring 
 process works?


 Someone correct me if I am wrong, I believe all you need to do is switch 
 the themes back and forth.

 Best wishes, Tobias. 


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[tw] Re: TW5: title display size

2014-12-11 Thread Birthe C
Hi Tobias
In default tiddlers you have Custom StyleSheets, opening two non existing 
tiddlers. Better change to  [[Custom StyleSheets]] ,;-)

Very nice guide.


Birthe


On Thursday, December 11, 2014 11:44:28 AM UTC+1, Tobias Beer wrote:

 See if that helps...

 http://style.tiddlyspot.com

 Best wishes, Tobias.


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[tw] Re: [TW5] Tab or Indent - How do I do that?

2014-12-11 Thread Alex H
Hey Rich,

I'm not very familiar with tiddlywiki yet - so there is a good chance that 
there are better solutions, but here is what I've discovered yet:

1. If you just want plain text choose Type: Plain Text,  then whitespaces 
are rendered as you type them - so you could just put like 4 of them at the 
beginning of the line. 
2. you can put css in your tiddlers - so you could try something like this:
@@margin-left:50px;
hello world
@@
3. There are some WikiText elements which are indenting text like block 
quotes or definitions - I haven't found one which is just a indentation, 
for example definitions will put a empty line after them. But perhaps 
this is what you want anyway... You can check out all of them on 
http://tiddlywiki.com/static/WikiText.html

Good luck

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[tw] Re: TiddlyWiki was added to CMS Database

2014-12-11 Thread Danielo Rodríguez
Nice!

Thank you for this. I just wrote a very small review.

El lunes, 8 de diciembre de 2014 19:26:45 UTC+1, jebem...@gmail.com 
escribió:

 I am happy to inform you that TiddlyWiki was added to sysfaq.net/
 A Content Management Software Comparison  Review Website. 

 Please feel free to add a small Review about TiddlyWiki 
 http://sysfaq.net/tiddlywiki/ and maybe other CMS you may use. 


 Best Regards 
 The Team of sysfaq.net
 


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[tw] Re: [TW5] GettingStarted tiddler + flexible help system

2014-12-11 Thread 'Stephen Kimmel' via TiddlyWiki


On Tuesday, December 9, 2014 5:28:43 PM UTC-6, Mat wrote:

 Apropos the current lab rat experiments 
 https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/rDRWHh9r6TA/v9IC6pNa7U0J 
 prof. Kimmel is doing ;-)  .. and apropos the absolutely incredible boost 
 we have in these matters since Jeremys moratoruim, here's a suggestion for 
 the very first tiddler that someone meets when opening an empty tw. The 
 hope is to pull them in more and really have them try out stuff so that 
 they don't give up prematurely before seeing the light.

 *Immediate* help is a key factor IMO so this introduces a new concept 
 targeting this 100%. Please consider the genericness of my proposal for 
 how to provide help there. It is adaptable to whatever best solution we 
 have at that moment, and for that particular issue, instead of e.g static 
 documents. It also makes it possible to give multiple solutions to a 
 problem (assuming we have those multiple solutions).

 Ok, please click on both the images to see the details and explanations (I 
 hope the images open full size or I'll provide another way in next post).


prof. Kimmel? prof Kimmel?!? hmm. prof Kimmel. I like it.

I like where both Mat's and Jeremy's GettingStarted pages are going. I 
think the obviously available help with the readily recognized icon would 
be especially useful. Whether we do this in the main Empty or in a Empty 
with Help edition, is almost irrelevant.  The inexperienced users need 
something more than the blank sheet of paper the current Empty contains.


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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2014-12-11 Thread 'Stephen Kimmel' via TiddlyWiki
My immediate thought was that it was a Babel fish. Aren't Babel fish was 
yellow? (And if you don't know what a Babel fish is then you need to refer 
to The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.) On further thought, its that 
European fish with the slang name tiddler.

It's very nice. I can see us using that on the HelloThere page.

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Re: [tw] Re: Invoicing TW5 #productivity

2014-12-11 Thread Danielo Rodríguez


 $button
 $list filter=[tag[Something]]
 $action-sendmessage $message=tm-delete-tiddler 
 $param=currentTiddler/
 /$list
 Delete all tiddlers tagged Something
 /$button


This is not possible? Why? It looks valid. 

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Delete tiddler on click/mass delete

2014-12-11 Thread Danielo Rodríguez
El martes, 9 de diciembre de 2014 14:47:56 UTC+1, Tobias Beer escribió:

 FYI: the syntax of this has changed slightly in post-beta versions of 
 TiddlyWiki5: tw-delete-tiddler is now tm-delete-tiddler


 Thanks for that...

 http://tb5.tiddlyspot.com/#Deleting%20Tiddlers%20Via%20Lists

 Best wishes, Tobias.


Hello Tobias, maybe you want to update your example for:
use 

class=tc-btn-invisible tc-btn-mini

instead of 

class=btn-invisible btn-mini


And to put the  inside a button that actually reveals the tiddler 
content. Currently it does nothing, but you have a button to close the 
reveal, which will never be opened.

 

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[tw] TiddlyDesktop and plugins

2014-12-11 Thread Silvie Luisa Brázdilová
Hello,
I have just started using TiddlyDesktop. I would like to install a plugin 
(e.g. katex), but I do not know how. Every help I get is drag the link to 
the browser, which is not applicable. If I drag the link to the 
application, it does nothing. If I open the my html in a browser and drag 
the link, it results in Import of Unknown or, again, nothing. 
Please could someone provide me a detailed description what to do? I do not 
have much experience so far with TiddlyWiki.

Thanks a lot,
Luisa

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Re: [tw] Re: Invoicing TW5 #productivity

2014-12-11 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Danielo

 This is not possible? Why? It looks valid.

Currently only action widgets that are immediate children of the button
widget are triggered. The proposed change is to relax that restriction, so
that the action widgets generated by the list widget will be invoked in the
expected way.

Best wishes

Jeremy


On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 1:45 PM, Danielo Rodríguez rdani...@gmail.com
wrote:

 $button
 $list filter=[tag[Something]]
 $action-sendmessage $message=tm-delete-tiddler
 $param=currentTiddler/
 /$list
 Delete all tiddlers tagged Something
 /$button


 This is not possible? Why? It looks valid.



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[tw] Re: [TW5] Help with New task here functionality

2014-12-11 Thread alanschnarr
Thanks for the quick reply, Tobias.
I'll check it out.

Alan

On Thursday, December 11, 2014 3:55:17 AM UTC-7, Tobias Beer wrote:

 Have a look at...

 $:/core/ui/Buttons/new-journal-here 
 http://tiddlywiki.com/#%24%3A%2Fcore%2Fui%2FButtons%2Fnew-journal-here

 ...which contains the button-code for creating a new journal entry tagging 
 to a given tiddler.

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[tw] GSD5 v0.4-beta Release

2014-12-11 Thread Roma Hicks
Release of GSD5 version 0.4beta.  Thanks to those who helped create this 
release!

*Download GSD5 v0.4-beta*
gsd5.tiddlyspot.com


*Added Features*

   - Assign Contacts to Realms.  Contacts can be now associated with Realms 
   allowing a user with a large number of Contacts to organise and traverse 
   the list quickly. Contacts are hidden using the same hiding mechanic as 
   Actions/Projects when the non-associated Realm is selected.  For Contacts 
   that transcend one Realm, assigning the Contact with no Realm will make 
   that Contact available to all Realms.
   - Convert actions to projects.  Users can now convert actions that may 
   need to be an project with a click of a button.
   - Waiting/Future Actions are now displayed on a Contacts tiddler. 
Selecting a Contact's tiddler displays all actions delegated to them. 
Shows actions depending on the selected Realm.
   - No Realm Action List.  Actions without a Realm can be found using this 
   Dashboard.
   - No Realm Project List.  Projects without a Realm can be found using 
   this Dashboard.
   

*Notes*
The change from v0.3-beta to v0.4-beta resulted in change on how Realms are 
implemented.  The change involves the switch from system tags to the use of 
the gsd_type field.  This change can render user-created Realms non-working 
in version 0.4-beta.  To update user created Realm tiddlers, a Realm 
conversion tool has been provided which can be found below.

http://gsd5.tiddlyspot.com/#Realm%20Conversion%20Tool

*Updating to v0.4-beta*

   1. Download a GSD5 v0.4-beta environment.
   2. Import existing user content into the new environment.
   3. Import the Realm Conversion Tool into the new environment.
   4. Follow the Instructions of the Realm Conversion Tool.
   

*Corrected Bugs*

   - Removing contacts from Project/Actions results in link to Contact's 
   tiddler persisting.
   

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Re: [tw] Re: To embed or not?

2014-12-11 Thread Andy Wood
Hi Tobias,

In order to use your image macro in my TiddlyWiki do I export it as a tid
file, and then import that file into my TiddlyWiki?

Andy

On 10 December 2014 at 15:48, Tobias Beer beertob...@gmail.com wrote:

 I would also like to learn about the macros in TiddlyWiki and so will also
 try the method of defining a global folder path for external images.
 I am not sure how to setup macros but will give it ago and see what I can
 learn.


 Or, you can simply use...

 http://tb5.tiddlyspot.com/#External%20Image%20Path

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] GettingStarted tiddler + flexible help system

2014-12-11 Thread Mat
Jeremy wrote:

 I admire your ability to turn around mockups, they work really well and 
 communicate very clearly.


It means a lot for me to hear this from you, Jeremy. Thank you! 
 

I've actually also thought about having a help mode, I think it could 
 work well, but obviously not something I want to do during the moratorium.


Moratorium in deed, a very justified decision! And your suggestion for what 
to focus on meanwhile is causing an incredible thunder in the discussions; 
while I'm not sure we're seeing *actual* documentation being produced, your 
suggestion has very much shifted *attention* to be about what we can do to 
guide newcomers and documentation in general. Fantastic!

This Help mode idea is more about documentation infrastructure (and not 
for moratorium time), but it is *two sided*; Obviously it should help 
newcomers to access help-  but it's really also about actually producing 
documentation, even if indirectly: The plentitude of help from the 
mini-links, interspersed at locations in TW where we see need and linking 
to whichever documentation best dealing with that issue (and regardless if 
text, video,..) should *encourage* community individuals to produce *actual* 
documentation because it would give recognition to their individual 
efforts. I'd think the majority of community members have never had 
anything publically recognized and would feel proud if their effort was put 
up publically. Of course, there's still a good enough threshold to pass - 
but  opening up for any format for any help allows the, say, video guy to 
help where he woudn't if it was limited to e.g text. The great need for 
help we're beginning to recognize and which is obvious from the sheer 
number of questions on the boards, means we can't afford to be too picky - 
at this stage (...IMO). The documents etc would refine gradually, and like 
in e.g Wikipedia, there could be notes saying this article needs ___ . 
While Wikipedia leaves a lot to be desired, its undisputed world wide 
success and it's status as the #1 information reference obviously relies on 
a community doing what individuals never could. Gradual refinement. 
Besides, the forms in which people produce documentation (choice of format 
but also e.g style) also reflects the forms for what is needed. An adult 
academic expresses him or herself very differently from a gaming teenager - 
but we want TW to appeal to both. Documentation is merely the means not the 
goal. (Being helped is the goal ;-)

An extension for this mini help links is to have it configurable 
according to need. A beginner gets the default links as illustrated above. 
An intermediate user goes into ctrl panes, switches to intermediate help 
mode, which hides some mini help links and displays some others which 
point to help at that level. Or, CSS help mode to have that help topic 
accessible. A theme developer adds a theme help providing special for 
that theme. Help is not always needed - but *access* to help is. (And, in 
my proposal, this *access* is enabled with that single green button.)

Almost ironic: So elegant and simple in one sense, but just like paper and 
pen, yet it takes everyone several years before one can master it possibly 
even schooling. So simple, so complex.

 

 I'm keen to get some reworking of GettingStarted for 5.1.6 (which is now a 
 few days overdue) so I've incorporated some of your ideas in an update here:


 https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commit/2698f088517c186705c390362dd516f2709d7141

 I'd appreciate comments and suggestions.


Will get back on this.

 

 The approach to giving different instructions for different browsers is 
 clumsy. On tiddlywiki.com/index.html we use the browser-sniff plugin that 
 lets us conditionally show material based on the current browser. To use 
 that in GettingStarted we'd need to move that plugin into the core.


I obviously have no idea what the cost in terms of file size, etc would be 
- but maybe for a getting started edition it's justified? 

Of, if staying with different instructions, maybe the impression could be 
softened a bit by using icons for each browser (riding on 
familiarity/identification factor). Click icon opens slider showing the 
relevant instrux. (Detail; these icons should ideally be listed next to 
eachothers, not below, because they are not a sequence but instead a, um, 
road fork.)
 
  

 I do wonder whether these blow-by-blow instructions are appropriate in 
 empty.html. The alternative would be to have a getting started edition 
 (perhaps the same as the introduction edition) that is specially geared 
 to taking the user step-by-step through the installation and saving 
 process. Once the user has achieved that tutorial then maybe they'd be best 
 served with an empty.html that was relatively brief, mostly being links to 
 material elsewhere.


IMO, there should be one minimial core version and one guided edition 
designed to prevent every beginner misstep we've 

Re: [tw] [TW5] Markdown as default for New Tiddler

2014-12-11 Thread Arthur Borshenko
Thank you Jeremy, works like a charm. And I agree, I think that this would 
be useful enough for users to include it in the control panel.

Oh, and thank you for your work on this awesome tool!

Best regards,

On Thursday, December 11, 2014 3:17:46 AM UTC-5, Jeremy Ruston wrote:

 Hi Arthur

  I haven't figured out how to make every new tiddler to default to 
 markdown.

 This ought to be configurable in control panel. For the moment, you can 
 create a custom new markdown tiddler button like this:

 * create a tiddler called `$:/_newmarkdowntiddler`
 * Add the tag $:/tags/PageControls
 * Add a field called caption  with the content 
 {{$:/core/images/new-button}} new markdown tiddler
 * Add a field called description with the content Create a new markdown 
 tiddler
 * Set the text to:

 $button tooltip=Create a new markdown tiddler aria-label=new markdown 
 tiddler class=tv-config-toolbar-class
 $action-sendmessage $message=tm-new-tiddler type=text/x-markdown/
 $list filter=[tv-config-toolbar-iconsprefix[yes]]
 {{$:/core/images/new-button}}
 /$list
 $list filter=[tv-config-toolbar-textprefix[yes]]
 span class=tc-btn-textnew markdown tiddler/span
 /$list
 /$button

 Best wishes

 Jeremy.



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 javascript: wrote:

 Hi All,

 I have a question about TW5 and changing the new tiddler setting or 
 macro maybe. I'm brand new and have not completely grasped how everything 
 works.

 I want to make every new tiddler to default to markdown plugin as the 
 editor. I have installed the plugin and I'm able to switch the content type 
 to markdown manually, but I haven't figured out how to make every new 
 tiddler to default to markdown.

 I've searched through the tiddlywiki.com, but couldn't find an answer. 
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[tw] Re: [TW5] GettingStarted tiddler + flexible help system

2014-12-11 Thread Mat
Stephen Kimmel wrote:

 prof. Kimmel? prof Kimmel?!? hmm. prof Kimmel. I like it.


Hehe - my chrystal ball had unusually good reception so I could clearly 
read professor on that lab coat name tab, in spite of all your waving 
with those Skinneresque electrodes over their heads, over there at the 
TiddlyInstitite. 

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Re: [tw] Expected workflow for self-hosting a TiddlyWiki5.

2014-12-11 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Greg

TiddlyWiki under Node.js doesn't yet support authenticating multiple users,
although that functionality is planned.

A scenario that is currently supported which might be suitable is to run
your private personal, editable copy of the wiki under Node.js, and then
use the command line to publish snapshots via a static host (eg GitHub
pages or Amazon S3). The snapshots could be either a functional, standalone
TiddlyWiki HTML file, or you could publish as individual static HTML files
that don't use the TiddlyWiki JavaScript.

In terms of running on a PaaS, I don't have much experience myself but I
understand that at issue with hosting on Heroku is that it only features a
transient file system. TiddlyWiki under Node.js saves changes to the filing
system.

 What is the correct folder structure in this scenario?
 Do I put the tw5 repo in a sub-folder and create folders with
tiddlywiki.info for my wikis?
 Or do I just create folders for my wikis in the tw5 repo root?

It's best to keep the repo and your wiki folders separate.

Best wishes

Jeremy



On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 2:40 AM, Gregorio Luiz Gomez greglgo...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Hey again folks,

 I'm looking for some help in achieving a self-hosted TiddlyWiki solution,
 preferably with node.js:

- I want to be able to go to wiki.mydomain.com
- login/authenticate so I can edit tiddlers.
   - no other visitor/user can edit.
   - have those changes automatically saved.
- Locally, I'd also like to be able to manipulate what tiddlers show
up on wiki.mydomain.com.
   - Say I keep a project specific wiki local until it goes live, I'd
   like to be able to easily integrate those local tiddlers with the live 
 ones.
   - As far as I understand this can be achieved with the tiddlywiki
   CLI, but I'm not clear on that yet.

 I've looked at hosting solutions like heroku and openshift, but the issue
 I have is I'm not sure what the correct approach is.. these platforms don't
 seem to use NPM so do I need the tw5 repo in the root of my app?

 What is the correct folder structure in this scenario?
 Do I put the tw5 repo in a sub-folder and create folders with
 tiddlywiki.info for my wikis?
 Or do I just create folders for my wikis in the tw5 repo root?

 And with the above in mind, how can I start a TiddlyWiki with node
 tiddlywiki.js? As most of these PaaS seem to require a Procfile with
 such a command.


 My apologies if these questions are obtuse, I'm still learning the Tiddly
 ways. ;)

 Things I've read on the subject:
 http://tiddlywiki.com/#Scripts%20for%20TiddlyWiki%20on%20Node.js
 https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/issues/340

 https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/tiddlywiki/node.js/tiddlywiki/34EdjJFYIgQ/z3dobsgoIh8J


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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Help for beginner in Node.js

2014-12-11 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Suzanne

It does sound as though you've got more than one version of TiddlyWiki
installed (5.0.16-beta was released at the beginning of September this
year).

Maybe you can search your filing system for files called tiddlywiki.js to
track them down?

Best wishes

Jeremy.


On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 6:27 AM, Suzanne McHale kosmonav...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Still not working for me - I can install Node.js portable (as described at
 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/118970/wiki/tw5tribalknowledge.html#Getting%20Started%20with%20Node.js%20on%20Windows)
 - I'm using Windows 8.1 - but then get the message 'tiddlywiki' is not
 recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch
 file. if I try to import my own Tiddlywiki (which is the latest TW5
 version). An alternative method I tried was to install a blank TW then
 import my own wiki through that, but I could not open the page address (
 http://127.0.0.1:8080/ or http://127.0.0.1:8081/) in my browser. So I am
 stuck :-( - I am just muddling through and don't have much idea of what I
 am doing! (I would just like to export my TW as separate .html files.)


 On Saturday, December 6, 2014 11:38:02 PM UTC+11, jimb...@hotmail.com
 wrote:

 Hi Jeremy

 You were probably right by your assumption. I've made a complete
 reinstall of node and tiddlywiki. Now it works.

 Thank you very much for your patient help
 Jim

 Am Samstag, 6. Dezember 2014 09:17:24 UTC+1 schrieb Jeremy Ruston:

 Hi Suzanne, Jim,

 Very strange. How did you install TiddlyWiki? I'm confused that Jim is
 seeing the version reported as 5.0.16 when the generated error message
 could only be generated by the latest 5.1.6 version.

 It's possible that you've got multiple versions of TiddlyWiki installed?

 Best wishes

 Jeremy.



 On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 12:58 AM, Suzanne McHale kosmo...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I am getting a similar error too (using the portable Node.js version on
 my D: drive - installed using the instructions at
 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/118970/wiki/tw5tribalknowledge.html).
 I managed to import my tiddlywiki, but all I get is an unable to connect
 error page in Firefox when I try going to http://127.0.0.1:8080/ .

 D:\NodejsPortabletiddlywiki starwarrior --server

 $:/core/modules/startup/story.js:122
 storyList = $tw.hooks.invokeHook(th-
 opening-default-tiddlers-list,stor
 yList
   ^
 TypeError: Cannot call method 'invokeHook' of undefined
 at openStartupTiddlers ($:/core/modules/startup/story.js:122:24)
 at Object.exports.startup ($:/core/modules/startup/story.js:33:2)
 at $tw.boot.executeNextStartupTask (D:\NodejsPortable\node_
 modules\tiddlywik
 i\boot\boot.js:1827:10)
 at $tw.boot.executeNextStartupTask (D:\NodejsPortable\node_
 modules\tiddlywik
 i\boot\boot.js:1831:21)
 at $tw.boot.executeNextStartupTask (D:\NodejsPortable\node_
 modules\tiddlywik
 i\boot\boot.js:1831:21)
 at $tw.boot.executeNextStartupTask (D:\NodejsPortable\node_
 modules\tiddlywik
 i\boot\boot.js:1831:21)
 at $tw.boot.startup (D:\NodejsPortable\node_
 modules\tiddlywiki\boot\boot.js:
 1793:11)
 at D:\NodejsPortable\node_modules\tiddlywiki\boot\boot.js:1904:12
 at $tw.boot.decryptEncryptedTiddlers (D:\NodejsPortable\node_
 modules\tiddlyw
 iki\boot\boot.js:1368:2)
 at $tw.boot.boot (D:\NodejsPortable\node_
 modules\tiddlywiki\boot\boot.js:190
 2:11)

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] button that looks like a link

2014-12-11 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Tobias


 That's why I would opt for...

 button.tc-tiddlylink,
 a.tc-tiddlylink {
 ...
 }

 What do you tink?


Yes, that makes sense. Would you like to make a pull request?

Many thanks

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Re: [tw] [TW5] TW as front-end ?

2014-12-11 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Jean-Charles

Apologies for the late reply.

 Data is mostly in databases, so my intend was to throw a web service in
front of my data, and have a custom tiddlywebadaptor-like js to deal with
it.
There is no need to push data back to the source at first, but it may be
a future option (for document tagging, for example).

That's certainly a reasonable approach, particularly if you're syncing
changes back to the remote data stores.

But in the situation where you are not needing to write changes back, there
is a simpler approach that may work well for you: to extract your data via
batch scripts and save it locally as json or .tid files, and then  bake
those tiddlers via the CLI into a pre-prepared TiddlyWiki that also
includes tiddlers you've prepared that provide a user interface onto the
data.

Best wishes

Jeremy.







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 wrote:

 Hi Jeremy,

 Thanks for your feedback,

  Where's the external data coming from, and in what format? Do you want
 to sync changes to it back to the external data source?

 Data is mostly in databases, so my intend was to throw a web service in
 front of my data, and have a custom tiddlywebadaptor-like js to deal with
 it.
 There is no need to push data back to the source at first, but it may be
 a future option (for document tagging, for example).

 To be honest, I'm quite a beginner regarding TiddlyWiki : I used it for a
 while in the past, but stayed with the basics and didn't dig
 enough in it to achieve what I wanted. I can however see that it is really
 powerful and couldn't help to come back to it : so
 thanks to you and all contributors for building such a great product !

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[tw] Re: TW5: title display size

2014-12-11 Thread Tobias Beer
hi Birthe...
 

 In default tiddlers you have Custom StyleSheets, opening two non existing 
 tiddlers. Better change to  [[Custom StyleSheets]] ,;-)


Ah, of course :)

Very nice guide.


It's just, this question is asked s often, and — although somewhere 
there's a video by PMario, I thought it would be good to have a concise 
spot to point to. Please let me know of any addtional information you think 
would be good in there.

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Re: [tw] {TW5] Blank TiddlyWiki Observations

2014-12-11 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Rich

I just downloaded a Blank TiddlyWiki to see what was in there.

 My observations of the Blank TW is that TiddlyWiki being CamelCased makes
 it a Tiddler Automagically.
 I think that should be changed to a link just as WikiText is a link and
 not a Linking Tiddler.
 That way you don't start out with missing Tiddlers or use a ~ so no link
 is created ~TiddlyWiki.


I've made some exploratory changes to GettingStarted for 5.1.6 that you can
see here:

http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/empty.html

Comments and suggestions welcome.

Also why not put the TW Version # in the Title something like [[TiddlyWiki
 Version version]]


The version number is at the top of the tools tab in the sidebar, as well
as in control panel.


 and is this the Tag line for TW? a non-linear personal web notebook
 If it is then changing it does not make sense.


Yes, it's been TW's tag line since the beginning. Like the name TiddlyWiki
it started as a joke.

In my link below I changed my subtitle to 'a personal Wiki'
 I could see TW being used for a lot of things and I think the tag line
 limits peoples perceptions.
 Reading it literally if I have no desire to use the web then why would I
 need a notebook for it.


Well, you're using the web whenever you use a web browser; TiddlyWiki is
built from the web.


 I like TW as a Wiki and calling it something like 'a personal wiki' makes
 sense to most people, I think?
 Or
 'A Personal Wiki for Making Anything'

 With ideas like this do we make Github pulls(I am a GitHub NOOB so forgive
 me for not doing it first).
 Then make changes and post on our GitHub?


With big changes or new things it's usually best to raise new things here
or as a GitHub ticket for discussion before making a speculative pull
request.


 Since I am still a GitHub NOOB I made the mods I am discussing and posted
 them on my server.
 http://www.richshumaker.com/tw5/TW5-1-5-Empty.htm

 I also don't think it is too much to add some TW5 Usages in the 'Getting
 Started' Tiddler.
 Something like,
 People Use TiddlyWiki 5 for
 X
 Y
 Z

 Last but not least, since Saving is such an issue why not have a
 'Troubleshooting Guide to Saving TW5' as a Tiddler on TW.C?


There's a discussion in another thread about my concern with overloading
empty.html with too much content. I think it often makes more sense for
empty.html to link to material on tiddlywiki.com.

Again not sure how to add via GitHub, is there a guide on how to use TW
 with GitHub that I should read.


Have a look at http://tiddlywiki.com/dev.

Best wishes

Jeremy




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Re: [tw] Re: Google Analytics to TW5

2014-12-11 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Rich

It sounds like you followed the instructions correctly. Can you post the
wiki so that I can examine it?

Best wishes

Jeremy

On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:25 PM, RichShumaker richshuma...@gmail.com
wrote:

 First I think I am doing it wrong as I am sure I missed something obvious,
 but I can't see it, d'oh!!!
 So I am posting to get some help and thank you in advance.
 Here is what I am doing and what happens after I do it.

 I am following these instructions that were from the google group and
 posted on TW

 http://tiddlywiki.com/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ftiddlywiki%2Fgoogleanalytics%2Freadme

 I drag the 3 Tiddlers to my TW and then I get an error.

- $:/GoogleAnalyticsDomain
http://tiddlywiki.com/#%24%3A%2FGoogleAnalyticsDomain
- $:/GoogleAnalyticsAccount
http://tiddlywiki.com/#%24%3A%2FGoogleAnalyticsAccount
- $:/plugins/tiddlywiki/googleanalytics
http://tiddlywiki.com/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ftiddlywiki%2Fgoogleanalytics

 Safe mode did not work for me.
 Below is the Error
 TypeError: $tw.wiki.getTiddlerText is not a function

 Any ideas and thanks again for your help.

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Re: [tw] Re: To embed or not?

2014-12-11 Thread RichShumaker
First THANKS Tobias.
I have a bunch of reading up to do now between Deleting and Image Stuff.
I will probably create a new TW instance just for Photosl to explore more 
of this as well ;)
I will post up publicly with 'TW Photo' stuffs once I have more than a pile 
of goo.
Don't get excited it will probably just be all the information you have 
already told me in a TW that I name Photo, #heheh.

Andy,
Since I am not Tobias I can't answer your question but my question was 
'What Image Macro?'
Tobias was linking to other stuff that 'could' 'potentially' be added to TW 
in the future.

The link I posted was to an EXIF reader that is an add on to Firefox.

Lots to read and research now, woohoo.

Thanks again everyone for your help.

Rich Shumaker

On Thursday, December 11, 2014 6:34:25 AM UTC-8, Andy Wood wrote:

 Hi Tobias,

 In order to use your image macro in my TiddlyWiki do I export it as a tid 
 file, and then import that file into my TiddlyWiki?

 Andy

 On 10 December 2014 at 15:48, Tobias Beer beert...@gmail.com 
 javascript: wrote:

 I would also like to learn about the macros in TiddlyWiki and so will 
 also try the method of defining a global folder path for external images.
 I am not sure how to setup macros but will give it ago and see what I 
 can learn.


 Or, you can simply use...

 http://tb5.tiddlyspot.com/#External%20Image%20Path

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Delete tiddler on click/mass delete

2014-12-11 Thread Tobias Beer
Hi Danielo,
 

 maybe you want to update your example for: 

class=tc-btn-invisible tc-btn-mini

 instead of 

 class=btn-invisible btn-mini


Ah, thanks for that. I actually deleted the classes now, since I don't 
quite like the look of that bin in b/w. I think it would be reasonable to 
have the toolbar button styles, except size and margins applied to any 
*tc-image-button* without being restricted to the toobar itself.

And to put the  inside a button that actually reveals the tiddler 
 content. Currently it does nothing, but you have a button to close the 
 reveal, which will never be opened.


Not sure what you mean, the button in that template only clears the filter 
bar as is done in the advanced search templates.
Would you want to preview the tiddlers, too?

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] button that looks like a link

2014-12-11 Thread Tobias Beer


 Yes, that makes sense. Would you like to make a pull request?


Will do, thanks,

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Story top position in small screens

2014-12-11 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Andrew

I've fixed it for 5.1.6 so that storytop is respected in the responsive
narrow view:

https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commit/a0c13a0856cb6b4a2592acdd46975e44eb7c53a8

I've also uploaded a preview you can try out:

http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease

Best wishes

Jeremy


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 I believe there have yet to be adjustments to cater for at least those
 topbars on small screens.
 I wanted to fiddle with a more responsivee design on tb5 as well.
 When I get to it, I shall reply to you here, as well.

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Re: [tw] TW5 and Plugins

2014-12-11 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Andy

The official plugins are all listed on tiddlywiki.com, and all get
automatically upgraded when you use tiddlywiki.com/upgrade.html.

For community plugins, there are two relevant plans:

*  to introduce a Plugins tab to the Community tiddler on tiddlywiki.com
that lists the known community plugins (plugin authors can send pull
requests to update the entries about their plugins)
* to introduce a new tiddlywiki.org community wiki based on TW5, which may
also be used for a community curated plugin list

As a user of TiddlyWiki, you're probably better off if the plugins that you
use regularly are part of the official plugin library. That means that they
need an active maintainer. There are quite strict standards for the
official library (eg plugins must work both in the browser and under
Node.js) and so not all existing plugins could be included without
modification.

Best wishes

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 Two things I'd love to see for TiddlyWiki5 are:

 1. One place to go see a list of all available plugins.  Right now, there
 are multiple sites and there is no one place to see all available plugins.

 2. An easy way to see if a new version of a plugin exists.

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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2014-12-11 Thread Mat
Thank you Duarte!

As jury (er, I mean, as part of the *grand* jury, of course) I will 
intentionally refrain from expressing what I think of it right now other 
than to say that you're clearly displaying graphical skill. As mentioned 
previously, this is not a criteria *per se* for the purpose described so I 
hope nobody gets scared off.

As an encouragement to everybody - this actually is the *only* contibution 
coming in thus far! You can't let Duarte win this without any competition, 
can you? Consider that you're doing it for the improvement of TW and that 
you win the *$100 perks* in the Inside Tiddlywiki: the Missing Manual 
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/inside-tiddlywiki-the-missing-manual:

   - Participate in online review and feedback
   - PLUS listed as a Sponsor of Inside TiddlyWiki online and in the 
   final publication
   - PLUS credit for one hour of private consulting to evaluate/debug one 
   of your original TiddlyWiki documents.


This last bullet alone - one hour of private consultation from a Silicon 
Valley programming expert specialized in TiddlyWiki - is worth many times 
the $100.


Have you dismissed some things as so difficult I don't even know where to 
start so I'll just leave it...but it would be fantastic if...  - well, 
Eric can help you!

Imagine talking with Eric *right now* - what would you bring up? 


:-)

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[tw] Re: GSD5 v0.4-beta Release

2014-12-11 Thread Danielo Rodríguez



- No Realm Action List.  Actions without a Realm can be found using 
this Dashboard.
- No Realm Project List.  Projects without a Realm can be found using 
this Dashboard.


I can't find those list. Could you point me to an online example? 

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Re: [tw] Re: To embed or not?

2014-12-11 Thread Tobias Beer
Hi Andy,

In order to use your image macro in my TiddlyWiki do I export it as a tid 
 file, and then import that file into my TiddlyWiki?


You can do that or simply drag and drop the link to the macro over to your 
wiki...

http://tb5.tiddlyspot.com/#External%20Image%20Path

Also, don't forget to setup your path tiddler... you can as well drag that 
over, but you need to edit it to reflect your configuration.

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Re: [tw] {TW5] Blank TiddlyWiki Observations

2014-12-11 Thread Tobias Beer


 There's a discussion in another thread about my concern with overloading 
 empty.html with too much content. I think it often makes more sense for 
 empty.html to link to material on tiddlywiki.com.


Also, let's not forget how much more manageable that online content is. 
Having it (bundled as a plugin) in *empty.html* does come with the benefit 
as well as the curse of being tied to the particular version it shipped 
with.

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Re: [tw] Progress on static site generation with TW5

2014-12-11 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Jim

Great progress, well done. It would be great to create an official
blogging edition from your work.

Best wishes

Jeremy


On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 1:00 AM, Jim Lehmer jim.leh...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks to Jeremy's help (tug o' the forelock in thanks), I now have the
 TOC generating correctly in a static sidebar. You can see the very limited
 results so far here http://dullroar.com/Home.html.

 Following is my road map from the other thread, with progress comments:

 1. A *simple* sidebar - title, subtitle, simple TOC, a tag cloud *that
 works* (more on that in a bit), some other fixed text (copyright, pointer
 to TW, etc., so that isn't repeated in every tiddler).

 I have title, subtitle and TOC working. I have moved the fixed IP text
 to a proper footer element in the template (instead of the sidebar), which
 is also ultimately where the TW link will go.

 2. Per the TOC, I am not looking for a fancy one that expands and
 contracts - for now I am working on the idea that static remains just
 that, and doesn't have any or much of the TW Javascript magic in it. I have
 made some other tiddlers, like one called Categories, that is actually an
 auto list of tags, So, if the TOC has Home, Categories, and a few other
 things, that's enough. I can hide the complexity behind tiddlers the TOC
 then points to to do the heavy lifting that the expandable TOC does in a
 live TW.

 This is working. The TOC is currently only two components - one pointing
 to Categories (which are actually a tag substitute) and a link pointing
 back to the Home page.

 3. Get the tag buttons working, probably by generating them not as buttons
 but as links that are styled the same as the buttons. Personally, I believe
 the behavior of the current static template (which generates the buttons
 with CSS that causes them to receive the clickable pointer when you hover
 over them but that do nothing when you click on them) to be a bug in the
 static CSS if nothing else.

 This is where I am concentrating now. I can already tell it is not going
 to be easy. My ultimate goal is two-fold:

 3.a Tag buttons in each tiddler/page should actually work.

 3.b I would like a simple tag cloud in the side bar.

 4. I already have a set of tiddlers that I ignore in the main
 rendertiddlers via a filter and then pass through using savetiddler for
 things like an .htaccess file, favicon.ico, CSS, Javascript I am going to
 want to embed, etc. That all works just fine. The details are here
 http://dullroar.com/Static%2520Pages%2520How-To.html, which are just an
 expansion of the static example on the TW5.com site.

 The .htaccess file is to set Home.html as the default page, so I don't
 have to have a lame index tiddler to be picked up as index.html. The
 favicon works, etc.

 5. I figure I will copy and adapt the alltiddlers template to generate an
 ATOM/RSS file (I believe someone already did that for classic TW, but
 haven't seen that for TW5).

 This is my lowest priority, but will still be a good thing to work out.

 If I can get all of the above working, I think that's a minimum for a good
 static site generator that can be a simple blog engine aimed at the likes
 of Pelican, Bloxsom, et al.

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[tw] Re: GSD5 v0.4-beta Release

2014-12-11 Thread Tobias Beer


 I can't find those list. Could you point me to an online example? 


Sidebar / Review / No Realm Items 
http://gsd5.tiddlyspot.com/#No%20Realm%20Items

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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2014-12-11 Thread Tobias Beer
It's got something organic to chew on, producing some rather clear output 
(not sure about the metaphor :D ) ...it's got a bit of a techie, edgy feel, 
but playful ...it's futuristic, but an animal ... simple, but colorful as a 
rainbow. Kinda cute.

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Re: [tw] Re: Progress on static site generation with TW5

2014-12-11 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Arlen

On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 11:16 PM, Arlen Beiler arlen...@gmail.com wrote:

 Here is a modification to the RevealWidget that allows for other methods
 of hiding the reveal section, including Javascript in static HTML. It
 should be noted that EVERY reveal on the page will reveal. A little CSS
 will fix that. This is a first step toward allowing tabs to work. If the
 core devs think this would be a good addition, or something like it, I'd be
 delighted.


Great, this is definitely an issue that needs sorting out.

The other configuration variables that widgets support have the prefix
tv- eg tv-wikilink-template.

To get this into the core I think we'd ideally want to have some CSS to
make things work too. As per my reply to Jim above, I'm keen to create an
official blogging edition, and perhaps it can demonstrate how to make
things work.

Best wishes

Jeremy.





 This code is in RevealWidget.prototype.execute

 // Compute the title of the state tiddler and read it
 this.stateTitle = this.state;
 if(this.hasVariable(forceRevealWidget, true)) {
 this.alwaysOpen = true;
 } else {
 this.alwaysOpen = false;
 }
 this.readState();

 Add this as the first line of RevealWidget.prototype.readState

 if(this.alwaysOpen) { this.isOpen = true; return; }

 And I added the forceRevealWidget variable to the code I posted in the
 other thread modifying server.js

 var text =
 state.wiki.renderTiddler(text/plain,$:/core/templates/static.tiddler.html,{
 variables: { currentTiddler: title , forceRevealWidget: true } });

 If you want to use this code, feel free. The code in this email is public
 domain.

 Best wishes,
 -Arlen

 On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 4:55 AM, Tobias Beer beertob...@gmail.com wrote:

 What I would also find interesting is to load some tiddlers.json into
 each static file (the same for all) ...with tiddler meta-data, or even the
 body if anyone thinks it worthy, even the required helper functions to
 access the beast, and then use some jquery magick to do stuff with it,
 e.g... do TiddlyWiki stuff in the context of the statics site, however (!)
 optionally, so that google  co don't get hickups.

 The easiest functions being...

 $tids.getTiddler(title){}
 $tids.getTags(title){}
 $tids.getLink(title){}

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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2014-12-11 Thread Duarte Farrajota Ramos
Thanks everyone for the positive feedback.

Haha didn't know about the babel fish from The Hitchhiker's Guide to the 
Galaxy, so that must be where the name of the old yahoo translation website 
came from.

I did forget to mention the ideia behind it all, this was actually inspired 
by an idea that ran quite some time ago back when you were searching for an 
official icon for TiddlyWiki. I always thought the word *tiddler *came from 
*tiddly* as small or compact and simple, but apparently as Stephen 
mentioned it is also a fish species whose scientific name, according to 
Wikipedia, is Three-Spined Stickleback.
Doing a Google search I found a few nice images which I use as reference 
reference, and the colors are actually more or less accurate according to 
the last image found in this website http://imgkid.com/stickleback.shtml, 
with some artistic liberties in the mix of course.

So it should be pretty straightforward now, the fish obviously came from 
the tiddler species, and those lines, that go in all tangled and come 
out straight and lined up represent how tiddlywiki is great for organizing 
and displaying your information in a neat and customizable fashion. The 
triangulated low poly style 
https://www.google.com/search?tbm=ischhl=enlr=lang_en|lang_ptq=low%20poly%20vector
 
seems to be pretty much the thing currently throughout the internet, did 
my best to capture that feeling.

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Re: [tw] TiddlyDesktop and plugins

2014-12-11 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Silvie

  If I open the my html in a browser and drag the link, it results in
Import of Unknown

That suggests that you may be dragging the wrong link.

The link for installing the KaTeX plugin is at
http://tiddlywiki.com/plugins/tiddlywiki/katex/ - the link you want is the
text $:/plugins/tiddlywiki/katex. Drag that link to the TiddlyDesktop
window showing your wiki. You should get a $:/Import tiddler displayed.
Click the Import button and then save and reload your wiki.

Best wishes

Jeremy.



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 Hello,
 I have just started using TiddlyDesktop. I would like to install a plugin
 (e.g. katex), but I do not know how. Every help I get is drag the link to
 the browser, which is not applicable. If I drag the link to the
 application, it does nothing. If I open the my html in a browser and drag
 the link, it results in Import of Unknown or, again, nothing.
 Please could someone provide me a detailed description what to do? I do
 not have much experience so far with TiddlyWiki.

 Thanks a lot,
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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2014-12-11 Thread Duarte Farrajota Ramos
Whether I win this or not I think that book is a very noble cause and I'll 
probably consider donating in the future anyway. Is this book targeted for 
tiddlywiki classic, or for TW5?

I hope it's the later, I was a TiddlyWiki classic user quite a few years 
ago, I am strongly considering coming back to TW5 given it's power and new 
features, but being a mere user with very limited coding skills the lack of 
documentation is still an issue for me.
Having that book as a TiddlyWiki I can refer to any time will be a great 
bonus

On Thursday, 11 December 2014 16:51:09 UTC, Mat wrote:

 Thank you Duarte!

 As jury (er, I mean, as part of the *grand* jury, of course) I will 
 intentionally refrain from expressing what I think of it right now other 
 than to say that you're clearly displaying graphical skill. As mentioned 
 previously, this is not a criteria *per se* for the purpose described so 
 I hope nobody gets scared off.

 As an encouragement to everybody - this actually is the *only* 
 contibution coming in thus far! You can't let Duarte win this without any 
 competition, can you? Consider that you're doing it for the improvement of 
 TW and that you win the *$100 perks* in the Inside Tiddlywiki: the 
 Missing Manual 
 https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/inside-tiddlywiki-the-missing-manual:

- Participate in online review and feedback
- PLUS listed as a Sponsor of Inside TiddlyWiki online and in the 
final publication
- PLUS credit for one hour of private consulting to evaluate/debug one 
of your original TiddlyWiki documents.


 This last bullet alone - one hour of private consultation from a Silicon 
 Valley programming expert specialized in TiddlyWiki - is worth many times 
 the $100.


 Have you dismissed some things as so difficult I don't even know where to 
 start so I'll just leave it...but it would be fantastic if...  - well, 
 Eric can help you!

 Imagine talking with Eric *right now* - what would you bring up? 


 :-)


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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2014-12-11 Thread Duarte Farrajota Ramos


http://www.duarteramos.pt/media/share/DPFR_tiddlywikiposter_Tiddler.jpg
Ok, original file updated with some small tweaks. Added a soft background 
and fixed some typos and text.
As stated earlier, the text is just a placeholder, something more 
official sounding should probably be written by the developers or the 
knowledgeable people here

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Story top position in small screens

2014-12-11 Thread andrew.j.harrison84
I often have to stop myself from thinking that you are a wizard and can do 
magic. Thank you.




Sent from my Samsung Epic™ 4G TouchJeremy Ruston jeremy.rus...@gmail.com 
wrote:Hi Andrew

I've fixed it for 5.1.6 so that storytop is respected in the responsive narrow 
view:

https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/commit/a0c13a0856cb6b4a2592acdd46975e44eb7c53a8

I've also uploaded a preview you can try out:

http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease

Best wishes

Jeremy


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I believe there have yet to be adjustments to cater for at least those topbars 
on small screens.
I wanted to fiddle with a more responsivee design on tb5 as well.
When I get to it, I shall reply to you here, as well.

Best wishes, Tobias.
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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2014-12-11 Thread Jon
 On Thursday, 11 December 2014 18:12:38 UTC, Duarte Farrajota Ramos wrote:

 those lines, that go in all tangled and come out straight and lined up 
 represent how tiddlywiki is great for organizing and displaying your 
 information in a neat and customizable fashion.


I think it's stunning but funnily enough I read the lines the other way 
round - that the straight lines were what went in, and what came out was 
something more organic, representing the various interactions of individual 
tiddlers producing a variety of possible stories. 
Jon.

 http://www.duarteramos.pt/media/share/DPFR_tiddlywikiposter_Tiddler.jpg
 Ok, original file updated with some small tweaks. Added a soft background 
 and fixed some typos and text.
 As stated earlier, the text is just a placeholder, something more 
 official sounding should probably be written by the developers or the 
 knowledgeable people here



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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2014-12-11 Thread Mat
Duarte Farrajota Ramos wrote:

 As stated earlier, the text is just a placeholder, something more 
 official sounding should probably be written by the developers or the 
 knowledgeable people here


While the developers or the knowledgeable people here can correct 
possible factual errors you may write, I should point out that those people 
probably not representative of the people who will see your poster up on 
walls over the world (should it win). In other words; I strongly urge you 
to actually phrase the words so that it will be the poster that you think 
would attract the maximum number of people to try out TW. Factual errors 
are disregarded and can be corrected later, but your disclaimer is almost 
saying I've created half of a poster which is not fair to yourself 
because you did clearly put thought into the text.

Now that said, your point does raise an important aspect: This competition 
and the poster is of course for the benefit of the TW community (us!) so it 
should be clear that all contributions belong to the community and can be 
manipulated by anyone for the promotion of TW. Allowing for the text to be 
easily changed for local demographics (languages, tech vs non-tech people, 
age...) is very good. Still, to actually phrase the words is part of the 
poster and part of the challenge.

@Jeremy
BTW, if Jeremy is positive, maybe tw.com could host more than a single 
poster for easy access and download (maybe at .../posters). But there is 
still only one winning poster in the competition, of course.

Thank you for your contribution Duarte!


:-)

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Re: [tw] {TW5] Blank TiddlyWiki Observations

2014-12-11 Thread RichShumaker
Thanks Jeremy.
Makes perfect sense about the Web Browser being TW primary tool and thus 
linked to the Web and the Tag Line being the same since the start(I thought 
that was the case).
In regards to the Version # I seem to be the only one who thinks it should 
be more front and center so as with all things TW I can change it on mine.
I was trying to put it where everyone saw it on start up but as you and 
Tobias have pointed out it is easily found in the Tools and the Control 
Panel.

I like that there are now  Tiddlers in the Shadow Tiddlers.

I also like that the Empty TW is Empty.
All of the Control Panel TiddlyWiki are *Italics*
To avoid having to ~ all of them you could make a TiddlyWiki Shadow Tiddler 
with a basic definition.
I know you want to avoid Bloat so maybe just ~ them or leave them the way 
they are.

How is the save name coming along? Or is this a browser dependent thing?
I know there was a discussion on HangOut #72 about it.
I like the idea of calling it 'TiddlyWiki.html' or 'TiddlyWiki-Empty.hmtl', 
I personally like the version in the title but I am in the minority on that 
one.

Thank everyone for all your help.

Rich Shumaker

On Thursday, December 11, 2014 9:20:10 AM UTC-8, Tobias Beer wrote:

 There's a discussion in another thread about my concern with overloading 
 empty.html with too much content. I think it often makes more sense for 
 empty.html to link to material on tiddlywiki.com.


 Also, let's not forget how much more manageable that online content is. 
 Having it (bundled as a plugin) in *empty.html* does come with the 
 benefit as well as the curse of being tied to the particular version it 
 shipped with.

 Best wishes, Tobias.


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Re: [tw] Re: Google Analytics to TW5

2014-12-11 Thread RichShumaker
Welcome to weirdsville.
Here is the broken version 
- http://contactjuggling.com/Broken-LegacyCd-GoogleAnalyticsTry.htm
BUT
I had a 2nd broken version that that I tried today and it worked.
So I dragged the Google Analytics stuff over to my most recent version and 
updated it on the site.
So the current version on the site is working and 'should' have the Google 
stuff in it.
http://www.contactjuggling.com/LegacyCd.html

No idea what happened there and why it was broken before and then worked 
later.
At least one is still broken so I don't feel quite as crazy as I did.

Thanks again Jeremy.

Rich Shumaker

On Thursday, December 11, 2014 7:54:53 AM UTC-8, Jeremy Ruston wrote:

 Hi Rich

 It sounds like you followed the instructions correctly. Can you post the 
 wiki so that I can examine it?

 Best wishes

 Jeremy

 On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:25 PM, RichShumaker richsh...@gmail.com 
 javascript: wrote:

 First I think I am doing it wrong as I am sure I missed something 
 obvious, but I can't see it, d'oh!!!
 So I am posting to get some help and thank you in advance.
 Here is what I am doing and what happens after I do it.

 I am following these instructions that were from the google group and 
 posted on TW

 http://tiddlywiki.com/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ftiddlywiki%2Fgoogleanalytics%2Freadme

 I drag the 3 Tiddlers to my TW and then I get an error.

- $:/GoogleAnalyticsDomain 
http://tiddlywiki.com/#%24%3A%2FGoogleAnalyticsDomain
- $:/GoogleAnalyticsAccount 
http://tiddlywiki.com/#%24%3A%2FGoogleAnalyticsAccount
- $:/plugins/tiddlywiki/googleanalytics 
http://tiddlywiki.com/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ftiddlywiki%2Fgoogleanalytics

 Safe mode did not work for me.
 Below is the Error
 TypeError: $tw.wiki.getTiddlerText is not a function

 Any ideas and thanks again for your help.

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Re: [tw] Re: Google Analytics to TW5

2014-12-11 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Rich

As best as I can tell, the problem with the faulty version is that somehow
you imported the payload tiddlers of the googleanalytics plugin (ie, there
are tiddlers called
$:/plugins/tiddlywiki/googleanalytics/googleanalytics.js and
$:/plugins/tiddlywiki/googleanalytics/readme in the wiki; these are the
shadow tiddlers that are the payload of the googleanalytics plugin).

Glad it's working now anyway,

Best wishes

Jeremy



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wrote:

 Welcome to weirdsville.
 Here is the broken version -
 http://contactjuggling.com/Broken-LegacyCd-GoogleAnalyticsTry.htm
 BUT
 I had a 2nd broken version that that I tried today and it worked.
 So I dragged the Google Analytics stuff over to my most recent version and
 updated it on the site.
 So the current version on the site is working and 'should' have the Google
 stuff in it.
 http://www.contactjuggling.com/LegacyCd.html

 No idea what happened there and why it was broken before and then worked
 later.
 At least one is still broken so I don't feel quite as crazy as I did.

 Thanks again Jeremy.

 Rich Shumaker

 On Thursday, December 11, 2014 7:54:53 AM UTC-8, Jeremy Ruston wrote:

 Hi Rich

 It sounds like you followed the instructions correctly. Can you post the
 wiki so that I can examine it?

 Best wishes

 Jeremy

 On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 10:25 PM, RichShumaker richsh...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 First I think I am doing it wrong as I am sure I missed something
 obvious, but I can't see it, d'oh!!!
 So I am posting to get some help and thank you in advance.
 Here is what I am doing and what happens after I do it.

 I am following these instructions that were from the google group and
 posted on TW
 http://tiddlywiki.com/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ftiddlywiki%
 2Fgoogleanalytics%2Freadme

 I drag the 3 Tiddlers to my TW and then I get an error.

- $:/GoogleAnalyticsDomain
http://tiddlywiki.com/#%24%3A%2FGoogleAnalyticsDomain
- $:/GoogleAnalyticsAccount
http://tiddlywiki.com/#%24%3A%2FGoogleAnalyticsAccount
- $:/plugins/tiddlywiki/googleanalytics
http://tiddlywiki.com/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ftiddlywiki%2Fgoogleanalytics

 Safe mode did not work for me.
 Below is the Error
 TypeError: $tw.wiki.getTiddlerText is not a function

 Any ideas and thanks again for your help.

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Re: [tw] {TW5] Blank TiddlyWiki Observations

2014-12-11 Thread Jeremy Ruston
Hi Rich

 To avoid having to ~ all of them you could make a TiddlyWiki Shadow
Tiddler with a basic definition.

I think that's a good idea, what do others think? It could contain a basic
definition, and links to resources on tidlywiki.com.

 How is the save name coming along? Or is this a browser dependent thing?

I've not had a chance to look at it since the hangout, and some
investigation is needed to understand what's going on.

Best wishes

Jeremy



On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 8:29 PM, RichShumaker richshuma...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Thanks Jeremy.
 Makes perfect sense about the Web Browser being TW primary tool and thus
 linked to the Web and the Tag Line being the same since the start(I thought
 that was the case).
 In regards to the Version # I seem to be the only one who thinks it should
 be more front and center so as with all things TW I can change it on mine.
 I was trying to put it where everyone saw it on start up but as you and
 Tobias have pointed out it is easily found in the Tools and the Control
 Panel.

 I like that there are now  Tiddlers in the Shadow Tiddlers.

 I also like that the Empty TW is Empty.
 All of the Control Panel TiddlyWiki are *Italics*
 To avoid having to ~ all of them you could make a TiddlyWiki Shadow
 Tiddler with a basic definition.
 I know you want to avoid Bloat so maybe just ~ them or leave them the way
 they are.

 How is the save name coming along? Or is this a browser dependent thing?
 I know there was a discussion on HangOut #72 about it.
 I like the idea of calling it 'TiddlyWiki.html' or
 'TiddlyWiki-Empty.hmtl', I personally like the version in the title but I
 am in the minority on that one.

 Thank everyone for all your help.

 Rich Shumaker

 On Thursday, December 11, 2014 9:20:10 AM UTC-8, Tobias Beer wrote:

 There's a discussion in another thread about my concern with overloading
 empty.html with too much content. I think it often makes more sense for
 empty.html to link to material on tiddlywiki.com.


 Also, let's not forget how much more manageable that online content is.
 Having it (bundled as a plugin) in *empty.html* does come with the
 benefit as well as the curse of being tied to the particular version it
 shipped with.

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Re: [tw] {TW5] Blank TiddlyWiki Observations

2014-12-11 Thread David Gifford


On Thursday, December 11, 2014 9:53:11 AM UTC-6, Jeremy Ruston wrote:

 Hi Rich

 I just downloaded a Blank TiddlyWiki to see what was in there.

 My observations of the Blank TW is that TiddlyWiki being CamelCased makes 
 it a Tiddler Automagically.
 I think that should be changed to a link just as WikiText is a link and 
 not a Linking Tiddler.
 That way you don't start out with missing Tiddlers or use a ~ so no link 
 is created ~TiddlyWiki.


 I've made some exploratory changes to GettingStarted for 5.1.6 that you 
 can see here:

 http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease/empty.html
  
 Comments and suggestions welcome.

 Also why not put the TW Version # in the Title something like [[TiddlyWiki 
 Version version]]


 The version number is at the top of the tools tab in the sidebar, as well 
 as in control panel.
  

 and is this the Tag line for TW? a non-linear personal web notebook
 If it is then changing it does not make sense.


 Yes, it's been TW's tag line since the beginning. Like the name TiddlyWiki 
 it started as a joke.

 In my link below I changed my subtitle to 'a personal Wiki'
 I could see TW being used for a lot of things and I think the tag line 
 limits peoples perceptions.
 Reading it literally if I have no desire to use the web then why would I 
 need a notebook for it.


 Well, you're using the web whenever you use a web browser; TiddlyWiki is 
 built from the web.


What about an unconventional personal notebook in your browser 

p.s. I had a great laugh looking at synonyms for non-linear on the web: 
downwind, gory, Ruritanian, dishonest...

  

 I like TW as a Wiki and calling it something like 'a personal wiki' makes 
 sense to most people, I think?
 Or
 'A Personal Wiki for Making Anything'


Wish it would make me breakfast. Alas, hasn't happened yet 


 With ideas like this do we make Github pulls(I am a GitHub NOOB so 
 forgive me for not doing it first).
 Then make changes and post on our GitHub?


 With big changes or new things it's usually best to raise new things here 
 or as a GitHub ticket for discussion before making a speculative pull 
 request.
  

 Since I am still a GitHub NOOB I made the mods I am discussing and posted 
 them on my server.
 http://www.richshumaker.com/tw5/TW5-1-5-Empty.htm

 I also don't think it is too much to add some TW5 Usages in the 'Getting 
 Started' Tiddler.
 Something like,
 People Use TiddlyWiki 5 for
 X
 Y
 Z


In the HelloThere tiddler at tiddlywiki.com, where you would expect to find 
such information, front and center there are these links. Don't think there 
needs to be anything in the empty for that. In Jeremy's prerelease there is 
a link to tiddlywiki.com, which is enough.


   - Some of the things you can do with TiddlyWiki 
   
http://tiddlywiki.com/#Some%20of%20the%20things%20you%20can%20do%20with%20TiddlyWiki
   - Ten reasons to switch to TiddlyWiki 
   http://tiddlywiki.com/#Ten%20reasons%20to%20switch%20to%20TiddlyWiki
   - Examples of TiddlyWiki being used in the wild 
   http://tiddlywiki.com/#Examples


 

 Last but not least, since Saving is such an issue why not have a 
 'Troubleshooting Guide to Saving TW5' as a Tiddler on TW.C?


 There's a discussion in another thread about my concern with overloading 
 empty.html with too much content. I think it often makes more sense for 
 empty.html to link to material on tiddlywiki.com.

 Again not sure how to add via GitHub, is there a guide on how to use TW 
 with GitHub that I should read.


 Have a look at http://tiddlywiki.com/dev.

 Best wishes

 Jeremy 

  


 Thanks again everyone.

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[tw] Widgets for HTML generation

2014-12-11 Thread Andreas Hahn

Hi,

in the past I have played with the static site generation capabilities 
of TiddlyWiki and it strikes me that (predominantly) there are two ways 
of doing it:


1. You create Tiddlers with all the elements you would like to have 
using  the normal widget/macro/filter mechanisms.
2. You focus on creating the HTML behind what you want to generate. (For 
example to avoid polluting the target with TW css classes or other things)


Specifically when doing the second option, I ran into the problem, that 
widgets and HTML fall into the same wiki parsing rule (as far as I 
know). So there is no good way to generate HTML USING widgets. So my 
question is: Is there another option (when you can't do 1. for some 
reason) and if there isn't, is it possible to seperate widget parsing 
from HTML parsing ? (I think that would advance TW to make it more 
useful as a templating engine)


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[tw] Sticklebacks and Tiddlers: inspiration for poster

2014-12-11 Thread Alex Hough
Dear All,

I've been looking into tiddlers. The stickleback is the one which I
personally associate with the word.

Here is a video about research into the social behavior of Sticklebacks and
their approaches to leadership

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TSim9TkXiwfeature=youtu.be

I've also posted far to many links to Sticklback resources. [1]

Alex
[1] https://twitter.com/search?q=%40tiddlywiki+nimble_monkey

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[tw] Re: TiddlyDrive4Community new sidebar tools.

2014-12-11 Thread Mat
Futher thoughts, now regarding tags:

I think tags will play a key role in a multiple-user collaboration 
environment:

We should minimize multiple variants of the same tag (documentation, doc, 
docs, help-doc, tw-doc... ) so it should be easy to re-use already 
existing tags. One idea for this is to have the tag dropdown list that 
appears as you begin to type in a new tag, not be sorted alphabetically but 
instead by frequency so that the most common tags appear at top.
The tags tab could be moved to top level. Or maybe even a tag cloud could 
be useful. Yes, they've fallen out of fashion but still they give a direct 
view of what topics exist and which are hot. There are quite a few variants 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tag_cloud also.


Also the document Save icon (tick in circle) - can we make it clearer that 
 it's  about saving to local computer. 

 I'm positive with it.


I think I found the perfec one 
https://www.google.se/search?tbs=sbi:AMhZZitCUNOCGRuHuM1nWqUE5PjWHE9MeT8Ix9EKoYiCUK0IaK0_1JxhVPs8lKOVWzN5z9tu1mbAM9TNyMK_1hkboVPg0M5Y-CEtc7qF9mwNpUqRoHzFC_1n-Qqqddf6RBH4HLUGFAunzLZgPj_1zi4v6dw4vBQB-HJtEZbJSJ1wvWTtu3iAA9Ri9MuoCKgd8jH5YiGz95UKZ6gPSc5lxGcVsMNdgnpi08jCV40sMlwdlf_1HH752yJlrMSb0z6EJ-jo3jgtfUXtJ9hGbkP66iMFAicqzr8siYy3wz2reAjWRo6R1iMJZ9OpTGC9Bi3_1Pkb47vJgCYKJZnLTwuu0DAvo3_1v3fTfdIM3-cNBlPjVGT9c5n25mrDmKnGNc-2d1iBfL5SBFVazRa29RAGosJNXxuaHEsHFcnj9gyYY9AuBQnfssDYuNiD-ck27LmY2rdeoTtl7gHYBbYlyfWkVtVuXG6lOUEx0i2CovnZ3dRcm7b47mQ34hd-gTeKH0dJiEHIejCo4h1Kfxm5QdsjDh0wL4evHIIcaf6JG4XpdSh7Wn79K6K6AB4xeoWDy4uoUS_1o6O43UnPN5JC_1qA5CEzqHGhI1-dmwbIvz-PMsAcLIpEBxrNneZgQjt5GfkYAR_1b7v5J08fYHAvHdHZjJhSYsezqmB2iCDbHqJjFBOCrZl8_1kg3p1uilY_1_1wodLvjtr6e65Vmp3kBIEOl7G-5BShWQuYtdC0EiIt6My2ai2AJk_1hrpXInlHi5ed03_1ieliX7-k24C4HSoqB0p5uaKsj7FksxCJbPh0yYdEC4xqN1ZrcaYB_1rwsLkoCUpEMNNLVOixoJEUTbQ5FYD1M5l1-oqDRDCu9ZXeaGV1wFOhDgbtnG=Search%20by%20image!
 
Reuses the established tick!

 

 I would love some kind of tagglytagging or [...]

 I'm not very familiar with the concept of tagglytagging. Anyway, it will 
 not make much sense until I implement a proper skinny mechanism.

 
Ok, I'll try to get back with this suggestion later when the skinny mech 
functions well.


:-)

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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2014-12-11 Thread David Gifford
Hi all

Don't consider this a contest entry, just a suggestion for the poster text. 
Were I a graphic designer I would put bundles of light gray tiddler icons 
to the left and right of the text, linked to each other blue lines to show 
that the tiddlers are connected like a network. Instead I offer this 
accompanying text for your consideration. Could go with the pooping fish 
design or some other design. Blessings.

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[tw] Re: Sticklebacks and Tiddlers: inspiration for poster

2014-12-11 Thread Mat
Hilarious!!! 

This may be a time to bring up a fear I cannot bear to keep to myself 
anymore... *It is an issue with devastating implications for us all*

I fear the end is near, for in the midst of our beloved tiddlers innocent 
and squirty existence lurches a dark force...  I fear it is

THE SHADOW http://tiddlywiki.com/#Motovun%20Jack.svg!


:-O


On Friday, December 12, 2014 12:00:03 AM UTC+1, AlexHough wrote:

 Dear All,

 I've been looking into tiddlers. The stickleback is the one which I 
 personally associate with the word.

 Here is a video about research into the social behavior of Sticklebacks 
 and their approaches to leadership

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TSim9TkXiwfeature=youtu.be

 I've also posted far to many links to Sticklback resources. [1]

 Alex
 [1] https://twitter.com/search?q=%40tiddlywiki+nimble_monkey


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[tw] Re: TiddlyDesktop and plugins

2014-12-11 Thread Mat
As Jeremy indicates; a *link* here is what you (and I) probably think of as 
the* tiddler title in lists*.

@Jeremy
My guess is that people are trying to drag the url appearing in the browser 
url field. That's what I did the first times. Maybe we should call it *title 
link* instead?

The idea of dragging links is probably very odd to most people, it was at 
least to me. Later, when dragging of tiddlers is implemented as discussed 
(actually, the title displayed in the tiddler), I think this will be solved 
and the current method of dragging the links will probably seem like a 
bonus. (...drag the tiddler into your TW, or just its title wherever it 
appears)

:-)


On Thursday, December 11, 2014 3:09:05 PM UTC+1, Silvie Luisa Brázdilová 
wrote:

 Hello,
 I have just started using TiddlyDesktop. I would like to install a plugin 
 (e.g. katex), but I do not know how. Every help I get is drag the link to 
 the browser, which is not applicable. If I drag the link to the 
 application, it does nothing. If I open the my html in a browser and drag 
 the link, it results in Import of Unknown or, again, nothing. 
 Please could someone provide me a detailed description what to do? I do 
 not have much experience so far with TiddlyWiki.

 Thanks a lot,
 Luisa


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[tw] Re: {TW5] Blank TiddlyWiki Observations

2014-12-11 Thread RichShumaker
Dave now I need to make a Breakfast TW
Great just when I was cutting down on my TW calories.
I am still learning, slowly and thank you for your TW5 lessons.

The name and the Tagline are established and won't change, which makes 
sense and I always remember them being the same.
My only reason for changing them is we now have 2 products TW Classic and 
TW5.
I stopped using TW Classic as there are things in TW5 I wanted and needed.

Thanks Dave for the links.
---Soapbox Alert---
For me my #1 Reason to switch to TiddlyWiki
It has been actively developed for almost 10 years and it's 
FREE.(technically 2 in 1).
While your online ToDo service cost $3.95 PER MONTH TiddlyWiki has a Low 
Low Price, it's FREE.
Lets See $0 per month is only $0 per year so sign up today and you get 2 
for the price of 1, both FREE.

Oh did I mention you own your data and no one that you don't want to see it 
can see it.
Or that IT Guys hate that you have a solution they don't control.
Or that it fits in your pocket, on your cloud, at home, at work, or even in 
your Car.

I have always had specific reasons to use TW.
I used it as a Daily Note Keeper for 7 years so when someone said, 
'Remember that Random Fact from a year ago?'
My Reply was, 'Actually it was a year ago and my memory stinks, let me 
search my system'
A few minutes later, 'Oh you mean X Fact on this specific day 1 year 1 
month and 2 days ago, SURE I DO?'(Thanks TW)
If I had put more time into that system it would have been even better BUT 
it was exactly what it needed to be for me and worked every time.

Right now I have several active projects and they all use TW as the Data 
Mind of the Project.
TW as you guys know is AWESOME and it can be FRUSTRATING and it is worth 
every second of frustration as it does things better than any other tool I 
have used.
---End of Soapbox---
Sorry about the soapbox.
Thanks everyone for all the help.

Rich Shumaker

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[tw] Re: Sticklebacks and Tiddlers: inspiration for poster

2014-12-11 Thread Birthe C
Hi Mat

Quite a stir arose in the tiddler bowl not to speak of the nearby 
tiddlers-repo-pond, when this big, fat and beautiful Duarte fish made its 
entrance.
The tiny grey tiddlers wanted to explode in colours from beautiful 
palettes, wanted to multiply.
In a corner Motuvun Jack had found a nice warm pillow and kept his thoughts 
to himself. I can reveal though,that hungry thoughts they were.

That is why TiddlyWiki needs more new users, and why all users have an 
inner need to keep starting up new wikis.


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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2014-12-11 Thread Duarte Farrajota Ramos
I did give some thought about what I wrote, those are the features that 
stand out the most to me, I may want think a little and rephrase them a 
little better for an eventual final version though, or perhaps even gather 
the top ideas from the common folk in this community and make a 
collection.
I was however actually more concerned about any technical inaccuracies I 
could inadvertently write, but that sounds like a good idea, keeping an 
editable format around for the community to be able to adapt the poster to 
any particular event/language/target audience that may be arise. Or perhaps 
alternatively contemplate some blank space specifically for that purpose in 
the very design of the wining poster, so that whoever prints it can add any 
local information.
If need arises I can help translate any texts to Portuguese, my native 
language

Most welcome, my pleasure to participate.


On Thursday, 11 December 2014 19:33:45 UTC, Mat wrote:

 Duarte Farrajota Ramos wrote:

 As stated earlier, the text is just a placeholder, something more 
 official sounding should probably be written by the developers or the 
 knowledgeable people here


 While the developers or the knowledgeable people here can correct 
 possible factual errors you may write, I should point out that those people 
 probably not representative of the people who will see your poster up on 
 walls over the world (should it win). In other words; I strongly urge you 
 to actually phrase the words so that it will be the poster that you think 
 would attract the maximum number of people to try out TW. Factual errors 
 are disregarded and can be corrected later, but your disclaimer is almost 
 saying I've created half of a poster which is not fair to yourself 
 because you did clearly put thought into the text.

 Now that said, your point does raise an important aspect: This competition 
 and the poster is of course for the benefit of the TW community (us!) so it 
 should be clear that all contributions belong to the community and can be 
 manipulated by anyone for the promotion of TW. Allowing for the text to be 
 easily changed for local demographics (languages, tech vs non-tech people, 
 age...) is very good. Still, to actually phrase the words is part of the 
 poster and part of the challenge.

 @Jeremy
 BTW, if Jeremy is positive, maybe tw.com could host more than a single 
 poster for easy access and download (maybe at .../posters). But there is 
 still only one winning poster in the competition, of course.

 Thank you for your contribution Duarte!


 :-)


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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2014-12-11 Thread Duarte Farrajota Ramos


http://www.duarteramos.pt/media/share/DPFR_tiddlywikiposter_Nodetree.jpg
Hahahah the pooping fish design made me laugh, nice nickname!
The connecting words is actually a great idea, made a new poster based on 
the concept more abstract design if you are more into that sort of thing.
Think wikiwords, tags and links that connect tiddlers together in a complex 
global network mesh, hope you like it.

On a side note, also updated the original poster to match the correct 
required dimensions, realized I had specified the wrong paper size.


On Thursday, 11 December 2014 23:28:36 UTC, David Gifford wrote:

 Hi all

 Don't consider this a contest entry, just a suggestion for the poster 
 text. Were I a graphic designer I would put bundles of light gray tiddler 
 icons to the left and right of the text, linked to each other blue lines to 
 show that the tiddlers are connected like a network. Instead I offer this 
 accompanying text for your consideration. Could go with the pooping fish 
 design or some other design. Blessings.


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[tw] Re: Google Analytics to TW5

2014-12-11 Thread Jed Carty
I tried putting the Google Analytics  plugin on inmysocks.tiddlyspot.com 
and zorklike.tiddlyspot.com but on both the analytics site and the 
webmaster site it says that the code isn't working. It has the status 
'tracking not installed' on the analytics site and it says that the code 
seem malformed on the webmaster site. It has only been 5 or 6 hours, so 
that may be the problem, but the 'tracking not installed' status says it is 
checking every few minutes.

I was just mildly curious about how/if it works so it isn't a big concern. 
Aside from the few that have already posted are other people having this 
trouble?

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[tw] Re: Inside TiddlyWiki - IndieGoGo Fundraising update and Jump Start challenge

2014-12-11 Thread Duarte Farrajota Ramos
I am seriously considering contributing too, but I have a doubt. Will this 
book be about the new Tiddlywiki 5 or will it be about the old tiddlywiki 
classic?

On Sunday, 30 November 2014 15:11:39 UTC, Eric Shulman wrote:

 In the first two weeks, the Inside TiddlyWiki IndieGoGo crowdfunding 
 campaign page has been visited from different 39 different 
 countries/regions worldwide and -- as of Saturday, November 29th -- has 
 raised $1630, which is 22% of the overall $7500 goal.

 The top 10 contributing countries (by total dollar value) are:
1) France ($520)
2) Canada ($500)
3) Australia ($110)
4) Ireland ($100)
5) Mexico ($100)
6) Russia ($60)
7) US ($60)
8) UK ($50)
9) Spain ($50)
10) Norway ($40)

 We are also closing in on the last few days of the Jump Start challenge 
 goal to raise the first 33% ($2500) by the beginning of December.  If we 
 can raise just $870 more in contributions, paid through PayPal (*), then 
 work on Inside TiddlyWiki can begin right away, rather than waiting until 
 the fundraising campaign ends in mid-January.

 If everyone reading this donated, our fundraiser would be done within an 
 hour.
 - Jimmy Wales (https://donate.wikimedia.org/)

 While TiddlyWiki's user community isn't nearly as large as Wikipedia's, 
 crowdfunding *does* work, and many small contributions can add up quickly 
 to a substantial amount.

 So... if you've *ever* used (or plan to use) TiddlyWiki, NOW is the time 
 to make YOUR investment to fund Inside TiddlyWiki: The Missing Manual.

 MAKE YOUR CONTRIBUTION TODAY:

 https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/inside-tiddlywiki-the-missing-manual/x/8816263

 (*) note: Only contributions through PayPal contribute to the short-term 
 Jump Start goal, as they are transferred to me immediately, while credit 
 card contributions are held until the IndieGogo campaign ends.

 thanks,
 -e
 Eric Shulman
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 TiddlyTools / ELS Design Studios
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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2014-12-11 Thread Duarte Farrajota Ramos
Pretty funny posters eheh, really like the planet one, the sublte glow and 
fish overlay really give it some meaning

On Friday, 12 December 2014 03:30:16 UTC, Stephen Kimmel wrote:

 I have about artistic ability as a can of beans but if it will help prompt 
 a few more folks to turn something into the competition... Here are two 
 entries from me. 


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[tw] [TW5] Image Exploration with TW5

2014-12-11 Thread RichShumaker
I made a TW to explore Images a bit more.
Thanks to Tobias for all the help with this so far.
I just started and am looking for more stuff to explore with images.

http://www.richshumaker.com/tw5/tw-photo.html

Thanks everyone for your help.

Rich Shumaker

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Re: [tw] TW5 and Plugins

2014-12-11 Thread Andy Pastuszak
Thanks for getting back to me.  The one plugin I have been tinkering with 
and I like is TiddlyClip.

I'm trying to see if I can get TiddlyWiki 5 to completely replace Evernote 
by using TW5, TiddlyClip and Bittorrent Sync.  So far it's pretty damn 
close.

I have no issue using wiki markup for notes, but I think the wiki markup 
wouldn't pass the wife test.

Overall though, I'm incredibly impressed.

Andy

On Thursday, December 11, 2014 11:46:21 AM UTC-5, Jeremy Ruston wrote:

 Hi Andy

 The official plugins are all listed on tiddlywiki.com, and all get 
 automatically upgraded when you use tiddlywiki.com/upgrade.html.

 For community plugins, there are two relevant plans:

 *  to introduce a Plugins tab to the Community tiddler on 
 tiddlywiki.com that lists the known community plugins (plugin authors can 
 send pull requests to update the entries about their plugins)
 * to introduce a new tiddlywiki.org community wiki based on TW5, which 
 may also be used for a community curated plugin list

 As a user of TiddlyWiki, you're probably better off if the plugins that 
 you use regularly are part of the official plugin library. That means that 
 they need an active maintainer. There are quite strict standards for the 
 official library (eg plugins must work both in the browser and under 
 Node.js) and so not all existing plugins could be included without 
 modification.

 Best wishes

 Jeremy.



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 javascript: wrote:

 Two things I'd love to see for TiddlyWiki5 are:

 1. One place to go see a list of all available plugins.  Right now, there 
 are multiple sites and there is no one place to see all available plugins.

 2. An easy way to see if a new version of a plugin exists.

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Re: [tw] Re: To embed or not?

2014-12-11 Thread RichShumaker
d'oh!!! That Macro
Thanks Tobias.

I started a new thread but thought I should add a comment to this one as it 
is what started the new thread.
I created a Photo TW to explore things about Images and TiddlyWiki.

http://www.richshumaker.com/tw5/tw-photo.html
Oh and the reasons the images from Tobias's Tiddler are missing is that my 
TW points to my directory and I did not copy his image across.

Rich Shumaker

On Thursday, December 11, 2014 9:15:48 AM UTC-8, Tobias Beer wrote:

 Hi Andy,

 In order to use your image macro in my TiddlyWiki do I export it as a tid 
 file, and then import that file into my TiddlyWiki?


 You can do that or simply drag and drop the link to the macro over to your 
 wiki...

 http://tb5.tiddlyspot.com/#External%20Image%20Path

 Also, don't forget to setup your path tiddler... you can as well drag that 
 over, but you need to edit it to reflect your configuration.

 Best wishes, Tobias. 


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[tw] Re: GSD5 v0.4-beta Release

2014-12-11 Thread Andy Pastuszak
Is there a roadmap or a place that we can post feature suggestions?

An amazing job right now.

Andy

On Thursday, December 11, 2014 9:16:58 AM UTC-5, Roma Hicks wrote:

 Release of GSD5 version 0.4beta.  Thanks to those who helped create this 
 release!

 *Download GSD5 v0.4-beta*
 gsd5.tiddlyspot.com


 *Added Features*

- Assign Contacts to Realms.  Contacts can be now associated with 
Realms allowing a user with a large number of Contacts to organise and 
traverse the list quickly. Contacts are hidden using the same hiding 
mechanic as Actions/Projects when the non-associated Realm is selected. 
 For Contacts that transcend one Realm, assigning the Contact with no 
 Realm 
will make that Contact available to all Realms.
- Convert actions to projects.  Users can now convert actions that may 
need to be an project with a click of a button.
- Waiting/Future Actions are now displayed on a Contacts tiddler. 
 Selecting a Contact's tiddler displays all actions delegated to them. 
 Shows actions depending on the selected Realm.
- No Realm Action List.  Actions without a Realm can be found using 
this Dashboard.
- No Realm Project List.  Projects without a Realm can be found using 
this Dashboard.


 *Notes*
 The change from v0.3-beta to v0.4-beta resulted in change on how Realms 
 are implemented.  The change involves the switch from system tags to the 
 use of the gsd_type field.  This change can render user-created Realms 
 non-working in version 0.4-beta.  To update user created Realm tiddlers, a 
 Realm conversion tool has been provided which can be found below.

 http://gsd5.tiddlyspot.com/#Realm%20Conversion%20Tool

 *Updating to v0.4-beta*

1. Download a GSD5 v0.4-beta environment.
2. Import existing user content into the new environment.
3. Import the Realm Conversion Tool into the new environment.
4. Follow the Instructions of the Realm Conversion Tool.


 *Corrected Bugs*

- Removing contacts from Project/Actions results in link to Contact's 
tiddler persisting.



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[tw] Re: GSD5 v0.4-beta Release

2014-12-11 Thread Andy Pastuszak
Ok, you all can just ignore me.  I read the whole post and saw the Github 
link.

On Thursday, December 11, 2014 11:45:39 PM UTC-5, Andy Pastuszak wrote:

 Is there a roadmap or a place that we can post feature suggestions?

 An amazing job right now.

 Andy

 On Thursday, December 11, 2014 9:16:58 AM UTC-5, Roma Hicks wrote:

 Release of GSD5 version 0.4beta.  Thanks to those who helped create this 
 release!

 *Download GSD5 v0.4-beta*
 gsd5.tiddlyspot.com


 *Added Features*

- Assign Contacts to Realms.  Contacts can be now associated with 
Realms allowing a user with a large number of Contacts to organise and 
traverse the list quickly. Contacts are hidden using the same hiding 
mechanic as Actions/Projects when the non-associated Realm is selected. 
 For Contacts that transcend one Realm, assigning the Contact with no 
 Realm 
will make that Contact available to all Realms.
- Convert actions to projects.  Users can now convert actions that 
may need to be an project with a click of a button.
- Waiting/Future Actions are now displayed on a Contacts tiddler. 
 Selecting a Contact's tiddler displays all actions delegated to them. 
 Shows actions depending on the selected Realm.
- No Realm Action List.  Actions without a Realm can be found using 
this Dashboard.
- No Realm Project List.  Projects without a Realm can be found using 
this Dashboard.


 *Notes*
 The change from v0.3-beta to v0.4-beta resulted in change on how Realms 
 are implemented.  The change involves the switch from system tags to the 
 use of the gsd_type field.  This change can render user-created Realms 
 non-working in version 0.4-beta.  To update user created Realm tiddlers, a 
 Realm conversion tool has been provided which can be found below.

 http://gsd5.tiddlyspot.com/#Realm%20Conversion%20Tool

 *Updating to v0.4-beta*

1. Download a GSD5 v0.4-beta environment.
2. Import existing user content into the new environment.
3. Import the Realm Conversion Tool into the new environment.
4. Follow the Instructions of the Realm Conversion Tool.


 *Corrected Bugs*

- Removing contacts from Project/Actions results in link to Contact's 
tiddler persisting.



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[tw] Re: Widgets for HTML generation

2014-12-11 Thread Stephan Hradek
You can define which rules should be used or ignored.

Maybe this helps, putting it at the top of each tiddler:

\rules only html


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[tw] Re: Inside TiddlyWiki - IndieGoGo Fundraising update and Jump Start challenge

2014-12-11 Thread Eric Shulman
On Thursday, December 11, 2014 7:49:02 PM UTC-8, Duarte Farrajota Ramos 
wrote:

 I am seriously considering contributing too, but I have a doubt. Will this 
 book be about the new Tiddlywiki 5 or will it be about the old tiddlywiki 
 classic?


Inside TiddlyWiki will focus on TiddlyWiki5.  There will probably be some 
discussion of the history of TiddlyWiki and the evolution of TiddlyWiki 
Classic, but all examples and tutorials will be for TiddlyWiki5.

The extended goals for Inside TiddlyWiki outline several additional 
guidebooks, including a Migration Guide that will examine the major 
differences between Classic and Modern TiddlyWiki and suggest methods for 
converting old content, themes, macros, etc. into the new format and syntax.

-e

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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2014-12-11 Thread Duarte Farrajota Ramos


http://www.duarteramos.pt/media/share/DPFR_tiddlywikiposter_Nodetree.jpg
Hahahahah the pooping fish design made me laugh! Nice nickname
The connecting nodes is actually a great idea too, made something else 
based on that idea, a bit more abstract design this time around if you are 
more into that sort of thing. Hope you like it.

On a side note, also updated the original design again, realized it had the 
wrong page size


On Thursday, 11 December 2014 23:28:36 UTC, David Gifford wrote:

 Hi all

 Don't consider this a contest entry, just a suggestion for the poster 
 text. Were I a graphic designer I would put bundles of light gray tiddler 
 icons to the left and right of the text, linked to each other blue lines to 
 show that the tiddlers are connected like a network. Instead I offer this 
 accompanying text for your consideration. Could go with the pooping fish 
 design or some other design. Blessings.


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[tw] Re: $100 COMPETITION! - Make a poster for TW

2014-12-11 Thread Eric Shulman

On Thursday, December 11, 2014 6:41:37 PM UTC-8, Duarte Farrajota Ramos 
wrote:

 http://www.duarteramos.pt/media/share/DPFR_tiddlywikiposter_Nodetree.jpg
 Hahahah the pooping fish design made me laugh, nice nickname!
 The connecting words is actually a great idea, made a new poster based 
 on the concept more abstract design if you are more into that sort of thing.
 Think wikiwords, tags and links that connect tiddlers together in a 
 complex global network mesh, hope you like it.


Suggestion: make the crystal shape in the middle a classic symmetric 
diamond cut (58 triangular and kite-shaped facets)... the implication being 
that the facets are tiddlers, and bringing them together in an organized 
way makes a very valuable result.

http://ddca.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/CutDiagramScaled.png

-e

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Tab or Indent - How do I do that?

2014-12-11 Thread RichShumaker
Thanks Alex,

I haven't found a simple indent format style like there is for other 
things like *Bold **Italics **Underline*

I will probably need to create a custom style for it and I will try the css 
you suggest as a start.
Plain Text is not going to work and Definition might.

Really just wanted to indent, #heheh.

Rich Shumaker

On Thursday, December 11, 2014 4:08:57 AM UTC-8, Alex H wrote:

 Hey Rich,

 I'm not very familiar with tiddlywiki yet - so there is a good chance that 
 there are better solutions, but here is what I've discovered yet:

 1. If you just want plain text choose Type: Plain Text,  then 
 whitespaces are rendered as you type them - so you could just put like 4 of 
 them at the beginning of the line. 
 2. you can put css in your tiddlers - so you could try something like this:
 @@margin-left:50px;
 hello world
 @@
 3. There are some WikiText elements which are indenting text like block 
 quotes or definitions - I haven't found one which is just a indentation, 
 for example definitions will put a empty line after them. But perhaps 
 this is what you want anyway... You can check out all of them on 
 http://tiddlywiki.com/static/WikiText.html

 Good luck



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