[tw] Re: javascript macro / macrocall problem
Jeremy, I listened to the discussion on Tiddlywiki's target audience that you raised in response to my comments in this thread. I just wanted add some thoughts to that discussion. I think the most important thing in working out how to focus the effort, not just for the documentation, but also for the tool itself, is to have a clear understanding of what TW's strengths are.. its USP if you like. There are plenty of note taking tools out there, just as there are many tools for web authoring, data collection, and the various other things that TW can do. We should identify what it is that makes a user choose TW over any of the other tools, and focus on those aspects in development efforts, since those are the things valued by people who choose TW over anything else. I would strongly argue that one thing that is definitely *not* TW's strength is user friendliness.. I don't think it ever will be its selling point, and trying maximise user friendliness is likely to be a misplaced effort, and could end up diluting TW's strong points. For someone who needs user friendly note taking, something like Evernote, OneNote, a Word document or pen and paper are always going to win out. I would suggest that the features that cause anyone to choose TW are A) the ability to have ownership of the data and the means to access that data, and B) the ability to use a powerful, customisable and extensible platform to organise information in new and interesting / useful ways. Personally, I came to TW for A, and stick with it for both A and B. If we accept these as the key strengths of TW (are there other suggestions?), then we have to acknowledge that the key audience is those people who care about those things, and not the people who can find other tools to do the same job in a more user friendly way. That doesn't mean that TW shouldn't be made more user friendly, just that it should primarily be made more friendly to *those* users, and not to everyone. Cheers, Neil. On Friday, 2 January 2015 14:58:23 UTC, Neil Griffin wrote: Yes, I think the question of who is the target user is an important one. Most of the discussions I have seen on the forum and in the hangouts seem to be aiming for promoting TW to an audience with relatively low technical capability. I think this is a mistake both in terms of maximising the audience and maximising the impact of Tiddlywiki. I would suggest that the aim of marketing TW should be to maximise something like the following product: *size of audience trying TW (A) * probability of user sticking with TW (B) * benefit received or impact achieved by user (C)* Targetting a low-tech audience makes A very large, but B and C are likely to be very low. I think a better result would be achieved by targetting a smaller, but still substantial technically capable audience, for whom B and C are much larger. In an ideal world, you would target everyone, but with finite resources, it is better to go for the low hanging fruit. If I were to try to promote it to people I know, I would start with my colleagues and not my Mum. Neil. On Friday, 2 January 2015 13:52:15 UTC, Stephen Kimmel wrote: Neil, I agree virtually 100% though I suspect we might have some quibbles about where the boundary is for who the target user is. I think if it had some semblance of a help system other than the full wiki and an editor more like what Eric did for TWC, TiddlyWiki could reach a significantly greater audience. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [tw] triggering action widgets
the contents of the select widget are buried at the grandchild level rather than being immediate children Why is that happening? The action widgets are supposed to be the immediate children of the triggering widget. There is a proposal to extend things so that all descendent action widgets are triggered, but that's not how it works at the moment. It seems that the value attribute of the action-setfield widget is always evaluated before the action has been completed, which means that if I am picking up the field controlled by the select widget, then I always get the old value. Anyone have an idea on how to pick up the new value? That's correct; at the point that the action-setfield widget is triggered the target tiddler will have been written, but the associated refresh cycle won't have occurred, and so the action-setfield widget itself won't have been refreshed so that it's attributes reflect the new value. I think you'll need to run a refresh of the children of the select widget before invoking the action. Best wishes Jeremy. On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 12:31 AM, Neil Griffin ngriffin...@gmail.com wrote: Coming back to the original subject of this thread, after a fair bit of poking around I managed to figure out how things work sufficiently to get triggering from a select widget working. It was a bit more complicated than just adding this.invokeActions(event) to handleChangeEvent because (I eventually figured out), the contents of the select widget are buried at the grandchild level rather than being immediate children. To fix this, I also had to modify the invokeActions() function in widget.js so that if the children fail to handle the event, it gets passed on to the children of the first child. I might try to generalise to all grandchildren later, in which case it might also fix the problem I raised in a separate thread ( https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/TiddlyWiki/6Q6TrAOBnFI). However, I have a new problem, as you can see from this demo: http://ng110.tiddlyspot.com/#trigger%20demo It seems that the value attribute of the action-setfield widget is always evaluated before the action has been completed, which means that if I am picking up the field controlled by the select widget, then I always get the old value. Anyone have an idea on how to pick up the new value? Cheers, Neil. On Sunday, 4 January 2015 12:30:39 UTC, Neil Griffin wrote: Thanks Jeremy. I'll have a delve when I get a moment. On Sunday, 4 January 2015 10:08:25 UTC, Jeremy Ruston wrote: Hi Neil The documentation for ActionWidgets on tiddlywiki.com describes the $button widget as an example of a widget that can trigger an action widget. Am I right in thinking that currently it is the only way to trigger an action? That's correct, only the button widget triggers action widgets at the moment. how hard would it be to add this feature to the $select widget (for someone with no experience in modifying widgets, but with a can-do attitude)? It would be fairly straightforward. In the handleChangeEvent handler of the select widget we need to call self.invokeActions(event). There are a few other widgets that should be enabled, too: link, checkbox, radio and maybe keyboard, edit-*, dropzone. Best wishes Jeremy. -- Jeremy Ruston mailto:jeremy.rus...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: [TW5] Math plugin syntax
Hi Jed, Haven't gotten to further work on this, *LetFilter* will be using math.js for that type of thing... http://let.tiddlyspot.com/#Syntax%20Changes Perhaps, it is advisable that you will just make use of it rather than inventing that same wheel? Best wishes, Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: javascript macro / macrocall problem
Jeremy, I listened to the discussion in the last hangout on Tiddlywiki's target audience that you raised in response to my comments in this thread. I just wanted add some thoughts to that discussion. I think the most important thing in working out how to focus the effort, not just for the documentation, but also for the tool itself, is to have a clear understanding of what TW's strengths are.. its USP if you like. There are plenty of note taking tools out there, just as there are many tools for web authoring, data collection, and the various other things that TW can do. We should identify what it is that makes a user choose TW over any of the other tools, and focus on those aspects in development efforts, since those are the things valued by people who choose TW over anything else. I would strongly argue that one thing that is definitely not TW's strength is user friendliness.. I don't think it ever will be its selling point, and trying maximise user friendliness is likely to be a misplaced effort, and could end up diluting TW's strong points. For someone who needs user friendly note taking, something like Evernote, OneNote, a Word document or pen and paper are always going to win out. I would suggest that the features that cause anyone to choose TW are A) the ability to have ownership of the data and the means to access that data, and B) the ability to use a powerful, customisable and extensible platform to organise information in new and interesting / useful ways. Personally, I came to TW for A, and stick with it for both A and B. If we accept these as the key strengths of TW (are there other suggestions?), then we have to acknowledge that the key audience is those people who care about those things, and not the people who can find other tools to do the same job in a more user friendly way. That doesn't mean that TW shouldn't be made more user friendly, just that it should primarily be made more friendly to those users, and not to everyone. Cheers, Neil. On Friday, 2 January 2015 14:58:23 UTC, Neil Griffin wrote: Yes, I think the question of who is the target user is an important one. Most of the discussions I have seen on the forum and in the hangouts seem to be aiming for promoting TW to an audience with relatively low technical capability. I think this is a mistake both in terms of maximising the audience and maximising the impact of Tiddlywiki. I would suggest that the aim of marketing TW should be to maximise something like the following product: *size of audience trying TW (A) * probability of user sticking with TW (B) * benefit received or impact achieved by user (C)* Targetting a low-tech audience makes A very large, but B and C are likely to be very low. I think a better result would be achieved by targetting a smaller, but still substantial technically capable audience, for whom B and C are much larger. In an ideal world, you would target everyone, but with finite resources, it is better to go for the low hanging fruit. If I were to try to promote it to people I know, I would start with my colleagues and not my Mum. Neil. On Friday, 2 January 2015 13:52:15 UTC, Stephen Kimmel wrote: Neil, I agree virtually 100% though I suspect we might have some quibbles about where the boundary is for who the target user is. I think if it had some semblance of a help system other than the full wiki and an editor more like what Eric did for TWC, TiddlyWiki could reach a significantly greater audience. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: javascript macro / macrocall problem
Hi Neil I listened to the discussion on Tiddlywiki's target audience that you raised in response to my comments in this thread. I just wanted add some thoughts to that discussion. Great points, Neil, thank you. I think I agree with everything you've said. Best wishes Jeremy. I think the most important thing in working out how to focus the effort, not just for the documentation, but also for the tool itself, is to have a clear understanding of what TW's strengths are.. its USP if you like. There are plenty of note taking tools out there, just as there are many tools for web authoring, data collection, and the various other things that TW can do. We should identify what it is that makes a user choose TW over any of the other tools, and focus on those aspects in development efforts, since those are the things valued by people who choose TW over anything else. I would strongly argue that one thing that is definitely *not* TW's strength is user friendliness.. I don't think it ever will be its selling point, and trying maximise user friendliness is likely to be a misplaced effort, and could end up diluting TW's strong points. For someone who needs user friendly note taking, something like Evernote, OneNote, a Word document or pen and paper are always going to win out. I would suggest that the features that cause anyone to choose TW are A) the ability to have ownership of the data and the means to access that data, and B) the ability to use a powerful, customisable and extensible platform to organise information in new and interesting / useful ways. Personally, I came to TW for A, and stick with it for both A and B. If we accept these as the key strengths of TW (are there other suggestions?), then we have to acknowledge that the key audience is those people who care about those things, and not the people who can find other tools to do the same job in a more user friendly way. That doesn't mean that TW shouldn't be made more user friendly, just that it should primarily be made more friendly to *those* users, and not to everyone. Cheers, Neil. On Friday, 2 January 2015 14:58:23 UTC, Neil Griffin wrote: Yes, I think the question of who is the target user is an important one. Most of the discussions I have seen on the forum and in the hangouts seem to be aiming for promoting TW to an audience with relatively low technical capability. I think this is a mistake both in terms of maximising the audience and maximising the impact of Tiddlywiki. I would suggest that the aim of marketing TW should be to maximise something like the following product: *size of audience trying TW (A) * probability of user sticking with TW (B) * benefit received or impact achieved by user (C)* Targetting a low-tech audience makes A very large, but B and C are likely to be very low. I think a better result would be achieved by targetting a smaller, but still substantial technically capable audience, for whom B and C are much larger. In an ideal world, you would target everyone, but with finite resources, it is better to go for the low hanging fruit. If I were to try to promote it to people I know, I would start with my colleagues and not my Mum. Neil. On Friday, 2 January 2015 13:52:15 UTC, Stephen Kimmel wrote: Neil, I agree virtually 100% though I suspect we might have some quibbles about where the boundary is for who the target user is. I think if it had some semblance of a help system other than the full wiki and an editor more like what Eric did for TWC, TiddlyWiki could reach a significantly greater audience. -- Jeremy Ruston mailto:jeremy.rus...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: javascript macro / macrocall problem
Hi Neil, I very much appreciate both your points and your stance... as they reflect mine pretty well. There are plenty of note taking tools out there, just as there are many tools for web authoring, data collection, and the various other things that We should identify what it is that makes a user choose TW over any of the other tools, and focus on those aspects in development efforts, since those are the things valued by people who choose TW over anything else. To me, the answer to that question is pretty simple: the USP of TiddlyWiki is that it can be *either* or *all* of that... in one! That you can *weave* things the way you want them to be, in a reusable, modular manner, mind you. I would strongly argue that one thing that is definitely not TW's strength is user friendliness. That begs to be argued. If you are talking about mum, then ok. If you are talking about the problems mum has, like Why does Word do that? and Can't I just do that in Word (or Excel)?, then nope. Because those user friendly apps might just be the entire opposite of what they project, unduly hiding complexity behind a more or less simplistic ui while leaving the complexities inaccessible. With the right abstractions and the way the information contained in it is accessible, TiddlyWiki is a highly user friendly environment provided you are the kind of user that begs for the kind of flexibility and extensibility that you will not find in your average desktop application. I don't think it ever will be its selling point, and trying maximise user friendliness is likely to be a misplaced effort, and could end up diluting TW's strong points. With all due respect, VIM is probably also quite powerful, but to a point where you have to be a total techie. So, user friendliness is a BIG topic... and an area in which to compete and compare with other wikis. What I mean is: the overall project should never lose touch with the goals and use-cases of end users like mum! For someone who needs user friendly note taking, something like Evernote, OneNote, a Word document or pen and paper are always going to win out. That is not necessarily true. When implementing similar features and ui, TiddlyWiki can and does work just the same. There just has to be one bothering to provide that type of application on top of the TiddlyWiki core... and those are the kinds of integrated visions often expressed in this forum. A) the ability to have ownership of the data and the means to access that data definitely B) the ability to use a powerful, customisable and extensible platform to organise information in new and interesting / useful ways. definitely as well Personally, I came to TW for A, and stick with it for both A and B. me too ...and I like the fact of how there possibly are a number of people out there who first thought arghhh, how complicated... but after learning a few bits they possibly realized the very strengths of TiddlyWiki and joined the crew of explorers. we have to acknowledge that the key audience is those people who care about those things, and not the people who can find other tools to do the same job in a more user friendly way. Yes and no. Here's why: the more those power-user type of people (on the brink of being developers or actually being developpers) share their work, the more this stuff is accessible to, well, mum... or lil' sis. Yes, that takes time and effort... but I think it also makes for a core feature of this product, the way things are shared in the community. That doesn't mean that TW shouldn't be made more user friendly, just that it should primarily be made more friendly to those users, and not to everyone. I believe Jeremy's focus is precisely that as well and I think it is the right choice. Leave the quests for eternal end-user friendly apps to those who manage to achieve such tools ...on the basis of a powerful framework. The focus of the TiddlyWiki core should definitely be to provide the latter. On the other hand, being able to explore all those applications and extensions users created based on TiddlyWiki is a key multiplier to the development of both the core and the community... leaving it to the master in chief where to set the focus as for the future of the core. Best wishes, Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)
Hi Alberto, What would be desireable is for magictabs and cornell to build on similar — if not the same — patterns and paradigms in terms of how... - tiddlers are semantically related via fields ...and also basic tagging - sets of semantic relations defined via filters conditionally render... - magic tabs: bottom tabs - cornell: left-column contents, e.g. the types of related-notes and the buttons to create them - customization works, so as to be able to... - magic tabs: define new (conditional) tabs, relations, contents, icons ...tiddler types, really - cornell: define new (conditional) related notes and buttons to create, and edit them To me it feels like I want to dive into your code a little more before setting out to implement that cornell stuff. Best wishes, Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: my shop on tiddlywiki
new version of wiki Shop http://novye-podarki.ru/heeg.html soon in English. Nice! Looking forward to that. How's the actual shop in terms of - workflow - feeback - resonance - practicality Working out for you? Best wishes, Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: my shop on tiddlywiki
new version of wiki Shop http://novye-podarki.ru/heeg.html soon in English. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: my shop on tiddlywiki
Hi sini-Kit Looks beautiful! A really nice showcase for theme modding of tiddlywiki. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: my shop on tiddlywiki
Hi Tobias! I took your $:/.tb/templates/delete-filter :) Now there is no shops working on heeg.ru if I find testers and they will open shops, i'll answer your question ) воскресенье, 11 января 2015 г., 16:12:25 UTC+3 пользователь Tobias Beer написал: new version of wiki Shop http://novye-podarki.ru/heeg.html soon in English. Nice! Looking forward to that. How's the actual shop in terms of - workflow - feeback - resonance - practicality Working out for you? Best wishes, Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] YoutubePlugin (tentative)
On Saturday, January 10, 2015 at 4:38:47 PM UTC, Jeremy Ruston wrote: On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 4:16 PM, Astrid Elocson aelo...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Incidentally, why does _canonical_uri start with an underscore when none of the other core field names do? The name _canonical_uri was established by TiddlyWeb, and adopted by TW5 for compatibility. I agree that it's unfortunate that it belongs to a different naming style than we usually use. Just for historical reference the name chosen was up for discussion for a long time (on tiddlyspace, in the tiddlyweb google group, on github, etc). There's various links from here: http://cdent.tiddlyspace.com/20121221 Here's a canonical_uri tiddler as JSON, for reference: https://tank.peermore.com/bags/cdent/tiddlers/purplechurch2.png.json The reason for not using 'uri' is because that was already being used for the uri of the tiddler itself. The reason for the leading _ is because in TiddlyWeb there are core attributes on the tiddlers (bag, type, text etc) and then there is another attribute called fields which contains a custom dictionary of additional fields on the tiddlers. Canonical uri was made a field (rather than core attribute) because it is optional (that is, not critical to TiddlyWeb's definition of a tiddler) and the leading '_' was used to indicate that it was system-oriented rather than user-oriented (a convention borrowed from private variable indications in Python). The existence of _canonical_uri was expressly for the purpose of allowing a single tiddler to act as what amounts to a proxy for a resource that exists elsewhere on the web. Thus, in the context of tiddlers you could refer to that other resource by its TiddlerTitle while still using it from its original place. A side effect was that you could keep tags and other metadata about the remote resource in the tiddler that points to the remote thing. The feature is used quite a bit in Tank for handling images and other content that can be dragged and dropped into a wiki. The actual binary content is saved in S3 and a _canonical_uri tiddler created to point to it. I mostly did it to save on disk space, but it also means that bags that appear to contain binary tiddlers are not slowed down by the binary tiddlers. If the name is unsightly within TW5, why not change it, and just do a translation in tiddlywebadaptor.js? It already has to do that to deal with TW5's non-nested handling of attributes+fields. I hope that bit of info is of some use for people who might be curious. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: Tiddlyspot - Gallery for TW5
On Saturday, January 10, 2015 at 7:08:55 AM UTC-6, Atul Grover wrote: There is a tiddlyspot gallery where various Tiddlywikis are showcased ( http://tiddlyspot.com/?page=gallery ). Should we create a page where we showcase different variant of TW5 bottomtabs... scholars. etc. Each one solving a specific need of the end user. Example: 1. TW5 with phone gap can leverage the camera of mobile phones to create a scrapbook like solution for learning. 2. Tiddly Talky can be used for ppt like presentations 3. http://tiddlywiki.com/editions/introduction/; can be used for story telling for young students I just posted about a desire to see something like that in another thread (on macros and macrocalls, although it is far beyond that topic now :). Except what I was calling for was various small variants on Empty.html that are each focused on demonstrating a single TW concept (buttons and select widgets, for example). TB, that customize concept is great, and yes, would be fantastic for TW5. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Prerelease of 5.1.8
I'm about to be away from the mailing list for a couple of weeks, so I thought it might be useful to draw attention to the current prerelease of the 5.1.8, the upcoming version of TiddlyWiki: http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease Hopefully it goes without saying, but please don't start using the prerelease for anything important. Besides the changes enumerated in the release note, there are many, many updates to the documentation, thanks to an enormous effort by many people, led by Astrid Elocson and Tobias Beer. My gratitude to everyone involved. Please take some time to have a look through the new documentation. We would welcome comments and of course contributions. More and more people are managing to brave GitHub to make contributions, and it makes an enormous difference. Comments and questions welcome, Best wishes Jeremy. -- Jeremy Ruston mailto:jeremy.rus...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Tip for serving TW5 on node to local network
Just a quick tip - most of you might already know this. In my scenario I have a TW set up to run under node. It is on Dropbox, and depending on what I am trying to do I may run it on either one of my Windows or Linux boxes. But I want a single command to be able to run it on either without change */and /*I also be able to browse to it from anywhere on the */local /*network, not just on the same machine (in other words, I don't want to run it on 127.0.0.1). The secret is instead of doing /ipconfig/ifconfig /and binding the server to the specific IP address of your box, simply bind to 0.0.0.0: tiddlywiki --server 8080 $:/core/save/lazy-images text/plain text/html Jim 0.0.0.0 Works great, and now I don't have to worry about what machine I launch it on. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: my shop on tiddlywiki
I want to write some words about DISQUS using for collecting orders . I understand, that I can send information to disqus without writing a comment! From my own fields from my site. One day I enter my disqus panel and found this orders. This people don't write comments on my site, but disqus remember their contacts and their orders! I understand that disqus remember the title of the page and its URL where it is used even if there is no comments on this page. https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-qzLmpr-qp9A/VLKhMqxXwnI/AXU/wUJCAqrsGoY/s1600/heeg.jpg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: Prerelease of 5.1.8
Hi Jeremy, I'm about to be away from the mailing list for a couple of weeks, Just to be clear, does this also include being away from github and not accepting pull requests or handling issues? And congrats on the over 1000 Github stars :) -Felix -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: Prerelease of 5.1.8
there are many, many updates to the documentation And be aware that further changes* to the documentation of filter syntax are in the pipeline – including a thorough overhaul of the step-by-step introduction – but my incompetence with the Git command line meant that these narrowly missed making it into the new prerelease. * https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5/pull/1360 Git is rightly named :) – æ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: Tiddlyspot - Gallery for TW5
Hi Jim, various small variants on Empty.html that are each focused on demonstrating a single TW concept (buttons and select widgets, for example). I really like this concept. Perhaps, tiddlywiki.com is the right place to do this kind of thing, after all. TB, that customize concept is great, and yes, would be fantastic for TW5. We will get there, in a community resource type of fashion... I'm sure of it. It's really what drives all of this, if you ask me... version control or not. How to protect the tiddler against maleficent? Perhaps watch less Disney. Best wishes, Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: Tip for serving TW5 on node to local network
What's different between 0.0.0.0 and 127.0.0.1 ...except from a few digits? Best wishes, Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [tw] Re: Tiddlyspot - Gallery for TW5
On 1/11/2015 1:30 PM, Tobias Beer wrote: How to protect the tiddler against maleficent? Perhaps watch less Disney. :) That's why in my other post I mentioned curated. Of course, that implies a level of attention to detail that may not be available from anyone to be a curator. Of course, for the blessed sample TWs I'm talking about (e.g., /ButtonsAndSelect.html/), if they were part of the tiddlywiki.com edition, they'd have to be created and vetted but that should be pretty easy, since they would be smaller, with 1-n tiddlers to demonstrate and document the concept and that's it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: Prerelease of 5.1.8
@Astrid, Great job on the railroad plugin. It is a nice addition. -Felix -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: Prerelease of 5.1.8
Hi Felix Just to be clear, does this also include being away from github and not accepting pull requests or handling issues? Yes, I'll be away from GitHub, too, I'm afraid. But looking forward to getting back to a lots of well-polished pull requests :) And congrats on the over 1000 Github stars :) Thank you. Now for the next 999,000 stars... Best wishes Jeremy -Felix -- Jeremy Ruston mailto:jeremy.rus...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: Prerelease of 5.1.8
@Astrid, Great job on the railroad plugin. It is a nice addition. And, a highly usefule one at that, I must say. Best wishes, Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: Prerelease of 5.1.8
999,000 stars... in theoretical physics, that comes close to an all-fed-up-blackish-hole type of nonexistent fictional entity :D Best wishes, Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [tw] triggering action widgets
Hi Neil I'll see if I can figure out how to do that. However, for my application, which is a bit more complicated than my demo tiddler, I think this might not be adequate. I might try to write a new bespoke select widget that also does what I am currently doing with a js macro and the action-setfield widget. Yes, I think that may be the best way to proceed, Good luck! Best wishes Jeremy Cheers, Neil. -- Jeremy Ruston mailto:jeremy.rus...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [tw] triggering action widgets
On Sunday, 11 January 2015 09:05:32 UTC, Jeremy Ruston wrote: the contents of the select widget are buried at the grandchild level rather than being immediate children Why is that happening? The action widgets are supposed to be the immediate children of the triggering widget. There is a proposal to extend things so that all descendent action widgets are triggered, but that's not how it works at the moment. I don't know. I'm still learning this stuff! But I should clarify that it's not just the action widget, but also the option nodes that are at the grandchild level. There is a single node at the child level - I'm not sure how to look at what that is. I am tempted to try to implement triggering of all descendents. Is there a practical reason why the proposal you mention hasn't been implemented, or is it just because no-one has gotten around to doing it yet? It seems that the value attribute of the action-setfield widget is always evaluated before the action has been completed, which means that if I am picking up the field controlled by the select widget, then I always get the old value. Anyone have an idea on how to pick up the new value? That's correct; at the point that the action-setfield widget is triggered the target tiddler will have been written, but the associated refresh cycle won't have occurred, and so the action-setfield widget itself won't have been refreshed so that it's attributes reflect the new value. I think you'll need to run a refresh of the children of the select widget before invoking the action. I'll see if I can figure out how to do that. However, for my application, which is a bit more complicated than my demo tiddler, I think this might not be adequate. I might try to write a new bespoke select widget that also does what I am currently doing with a js macro and the action-setfield widget. Cheers, Neil. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [tw] Re: Imagemap in TW5?
Perhaps also interesting... Using svg instead of a pixel-based image. Interactive SVG Image Map @ tb5 http://tb5.tiddlyspot.com/#Interactive%20SVG%20Image%20Map Best wishes, Tobias. +1 for effective insight re svg. +1 for a demo with ease of understanding :-) Bonus marks still available for ease of installation Thanks for sharing this! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [tw] Re: Tiddlyspot - Gallery for TW5
demonstrate and document the concept and that's it If you have some interesting examples you'd like to share, I'll gladly put them up here... http://dev5.tiddlyspot.com Best wishes, Tobias. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: Prerelease of 5.1.8
Hi Jeremy, Yes, I'll be away from GitHub, too, I'm afraid. But looking forward to getting back to a lots of well-polished pull requests :) Hehe, then I look forward to having you back soon :) Sometimes I am scared that the truck factor is pretty high for tiddlywiki. So please stay healthy and alive. Thank you. Now for the next 999,000 stars... Great attitude! Let's reach for the stars. -Felix -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)
Hi Tobias, I agree that magictabs and cornell could and should share patterns and paradigms. The difference could be more a question of themes and usecase than a question of code. After spending a lot of time trying different solutions for my own usecase, my essential conclusions so far are the following: 1. *Types: *The relations are not only between tiddlers but also and first about *types* of tiddlers: for instance, publications are related to authors. Thus, we need a way to define types (since we can't use the field type). And a same tiddler can belong to different types (an author is also a person, a note can also be a comment). - My solution in MagicTabs is to use system tags with the prefix *$:/type/* like* $:/type/author, $:/type/book, $:/type/note*, etc. - That way, it is easier to differentiate them from regular tags. - I can hide them from view mode (with a custom ViewTemplate/tags) - I can apply a different ViewTemplate for each tiddler type. 2. *Fields: *The semantic relations must be meaningful but general enough to be applied to different types of tiddlers. - So far, in MagicTabs, I use the following generic relations: - *authors*: this is a list field since a book or a paper, a song or a recipe, a plugin or a monument, can have several authors. - *about*: a note, a comment, a quote, a book, etc., is *about* something, it talks *about* something which can be (or not) another tiddler. This is also a list field since a note can talk about different things. - *source*: the source of a quote is a publication, the source of an image can be a webpage, the source of a character can be a novel, etc. - *parent*: this field is to create a generic hierarchy or categorization different from authors and source. This is a list field. - But specific relations can be necessary: - *ingredients*: for cooking recipes - *courses*: for students and teachers, resources, lessons. 3. *Lists:* Besides types and fields, we need to show the related tiddlers through lists. And we need a mechanism to *relate lists to types*. - This is where I use the *bottom tabs*, which is a solution among others. And the mechanism used by MagicTabs is similar to the $:/tags/foo used by the core: - Any tiddler tiddler tagged *$:/tabs/foo* will be displayed as a bottom tab in all tiddlers tagged *$:/type/foo*. - For instance, if we have tiddlers tagged *$:/type/ingredient*, we can create a tab showing a list of recipes using those ingredients with a tiddler tagged *$:/tabs/ingredient* and the corresponding list filter. 4. *Customization:* We have to separate contents (like filters in tabs) and the way they are displayed. If this is done properly, then the same semantic relations can be shown as bottom tabs, left-column contents (Cornell), or any other way, applying a theme or another. To me it feels like I want to dive into your code a little more before setting out to implement that cornell stuff. The core of MagicTabs, if you want to understand how it works, is: - $:/plugins/amp/MagicTabs/ViewTemplate/TabsBar http://wikiphilo.tiddlyspot.com/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Famp%2FMagicTabs%2FViewTemplate%2FTabsBar - $:/plugins/amp/MagicTabs/macros/tabContents http://wikiphilo.tiddlyspot.com/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Famp%2FMagicTabs%2Fmacros%2FtabContents - $:/plugins/amp/MagicTabs/macros/tabCaption http://wikiphilo.tiddlyspot.com/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Famp%2FMagicTabs%2Fmacros%2FtabCaption - $:/plugins/amp/MagicTabs/macros/inputSlider http://wikiphilo.tiddlyspot.com/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Famp%2FMagicTabs%2Fmacros%2FinputSlider Best wishes, Alberto -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [tw] [TW5] Idea for a Hangouts TiddlyWiki
Thanks Jeremy. So I have used the upgrade tool and the issue continued. I have put the file on Google Drive and it worked!!! So I have sent an issue to my hosting provider to see if they can figure out anything. I could have a weird server side interaction or who knows at this point. It is very weird. Now I really need the emoticon for jumping up and down in a huff like I am 7. Rich Shumaker -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Announcing TiddlyDesktop v0.0.4
Awesome news, I recently installed TiddlyDesktop at work so I can integrate TiddlyWiki more seamlessly into my workflow and I'm looking forward to the new features. As an aside when clicking on links to external sites within TiddlyDesktop a new node-webkit window will open with that site rather than being opened in the default web browser, is it possible to change this behaviour? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [tw] [TW5] Idea for a Hangouts TiddlyWiki
HI Rich, you have some html inserted in your tw - I downloaded your 'emtpy tw' and at line 3652 there is some html tags in the middle of json data being with a script tag cheers BJ On Sunday, January 11, 2015 at 5:36:14 PM UTC-6, RichShumaker wrote: Thanks Jeremy. So I have used the upgrade tool and the issue continued. I have put the file on Google Drive and it worked!!! So I have sent an issue to my hosting provider to see if they can figure out anything. I could have a weird server side interaction or who knows at this point. It is very weird. Now I really need the emoticon for jumping up and down in a huff like I am 7. Rich Shumaker -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [tw] [TW5] Idea for a Hangouts TiddlyWiki
I have a feeling I am having an uploading issue.
I took a clean empty.html file and uploaded it via FTP.
Then I downloaded the file from the web browser.
Oddly this one line changed in the process, remember I never looked at this
file online I simply uploaded it and downloaded it.
From Line 3651
Fresh Clean Empty.html
(c) Dean McNamee lt;d...@gmail.comgt;, 2012
Uploaded to server and Downloaded from browser link Empty.html
(c) Dean McNamee lt;a class=__cf_email__ href=
/cdn-cgi/l/email-protection data-cfemail=debabbbfb09eb9b3bfb7b2f0bdb1b3
[email#160;protected]/ascript cf-hash='f9e31' type=text/javascript
/* ![CDATA[ */!function(){try{var t=currentScriptin document?document.
currentScript:function(){for(var t=document.getElementsByTagName(script),e
=t.length;e--;)if(t[e].getAttribute(cf-hash))return t[e]}();if(tt.
previousSibling){var e,r,n,i,c=t.previousSibling,a=c.getAttribute(
data-cfemail);if(a){for(e=,r=parseInt(a.substr(0,2),16),n=2;a.length-n;n
+=2)i=parseInt(a.substr(n,2),16)^r,e+=String.fromCharCode(i);e=document.
createTextNode(e),c.parentNode.replaceChild(e,c)}}}catch(u){}}();/* ]] *//
scriptgt;, 2012
So I am guessing my server which says it
Status: Server does not support non-ASCII characters.
Must have magically changed the code. I just don't get why an upload would
'convert' the code to what looks like a link.
Any help is greatly appreciated and thank you very much again for all the
help.
Rich Shumaker
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Re: [tw] [TW5] Idea for a Hangouts TiddlyWiki
Thanks BJ will do that now as that makes perfect sense. I used the TW5 upgrade tool on my local Hangout TW and stripped out almost all the macros I thought could have caused it. Uploaded and still same issue. So maybe it is getting corrupted on upload. Will try to zip and decompress on the server to see if that fixes it. What is weird is I didn't have this issue before so I am confounded on what I did or changed. Rich Shumaker On Saturday, January 10, 2015 at 4:20:57 PM UTC-8, BJ wrote: HI Rich, I downloaded your tiddlywiki and loaded it locally into ff and I get the same red errror box. To me this means that there is a difference between your local file and what is uploaded - you could download the version online to your local machine and do a comparison of the two version using a diff application. It looks to me (from the error message) that maybe one of the plugin names is being converted to an illegal char - do you have any non-ascii plugin names? cheers BJ On Saturday, January 10, 2015 at 4:26:41 PM UTC-6, RichShumaker wrote: So I have been searching and I have not found that section yet, or I have and I don't know. Any other bread crumbs on finding what I need to remove? Also why is it that it works locally in all my browsers and now it seems nothing works on the server? Does JavaScript have a server side that I could have broken? As always thank you very much for all your help. Rich Shumaker -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] YoutubePlugin (tentative)
First The feature is used quite a bit in Tank for handling images and other content that can be dragged and dropped into a wiki. The actual binary content is saved in S3 and a _canonical_uri tiddler created to point to it. I mostly did it to save on disk space, but it also means that bags that appear to contain binary tiddlers are not slowed down by the binary tiddlers. That is awesome Chris and I need to get my TiddlyWeb working now as that is the single feature I have wanted the most. A way to save data locally and just create a link to it. Second THANK YOU TOBIAS I have been hacking up the YouTube plug in and WOW. I know it will get better, I am just amazed at how good it is already. I agree with Astrid as well that this is a great lesson on how to build TW5 Stuff. So one question came up while I was hacking things up. I created a 6 times winning video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubtH8rsJRC0, because I could. Here's the question, Can multiple video's appear in a single Tiddler using your YouTube stuff? I tried but couldn't figure it out and will try some more today as it was fun to use and create. This was not intended to be a 'thing' but I could do it so I did. The end concept was to create a YouTube Sampler, again because I could and no other real reason. Since you can start a video and stop a video at specific points you can create samples. I thought of this as I saw a Ted Talk where they took Captain Kirk's dialogue and cut it up and used it as samples to rebuild phrases and things, pretty cool stuff. Thanks again Tobias and Jed and Astrid and everyone in the community. Rich Shumaker -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Announcing TiddlyDesktop v0.0.4
This release includes a major reworking of the internals of TiddlyDesktop. It's really a bit early for general release, but we need feedback to improve it. Please use it with great caution, and consider reverting to v0.0.3 if you run into any problems. Download it here: https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyDesktop/releases/tag/v0.0.4 Please report any problems or suggestions here or via GitHub. ! New Features * Warning message when closing windows with unsaved changes (TWC and TW 5.1.8 and above only) * Help window * Toolbar for TiddlyWiki windows * Reveal original file in Finder/Explorer * Automatic backups Note that there is currently no way to hide the toolbar for TiddlyWiki windows. This will be remedied soon! ! New Architecture TiddlyDesktop itself is now an instance of the Node.js edition of TiddlyWiki. TiddlyWiki HTML files are run within embedded, sandboxed iframes with the backstage TiddlyWiki providing services such as saving to the file system. The advantage of this approach is that the user interface and functionality of the desktop application can now be customised and extended with exactly the same techniques that are used in regular TiddlyWiki. !! Coming Soon The functionality of this release barely matches that of the previous v0.0.3 version, but it lays the groundwork for a number of other features such as * configurable toolbars * hyperbookmarklets * page zoom * creating new wikis from standard editions and custom templates * dragging `_canonical_uri` links from the file system * multiple languages * one-click copying of text to the clipboard from within TiddlyWiki * global keyboard shortcut for clipping content etc. In doing this work on TiddlyDesktop over the last three weeks I've found the answer to the question of its purpose: it is to provide a hosting environment for TiddlyWiki documents that is as fertile to customisation, extension and sharing as TiddlyWiki itself. Given the funding, I'd love for this to preface the development of a smartphone/tablet app with similar functionality. Is that something people would be interested in? Best wishes Jeremy. -- Jeremy Ruston mailto:jeremy.rus...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: [TW5] BottomTabs plugin (v. 0.1)
Hi Alberto, - *Types: *The relations are not only between tiddlers but also and first about *types* of tiddlers: for instance, publications are related to authors. Thus, we need a way to define types (since we can't use the field type). And a same tiddler can belong to different types (an author is also a person, a note can also be a comment). Yes, I was thinking the same about related notes... they're not only tiddlers, but they're really notes themselves in the sense that other notes can relate to them in the same context as semantic children, i.e. pointing to them. In my case that means that they can not only show up in the left column but very much so, also in the right in case they are directly listed as notes to the context rather than just as related notes to a context-note, if that was understandably put. - My solution in MagicTabs is to use system tags with the prefix *$:/type/* like* $:/type/author, $:/type/book, $:/type/note*, etc. - That way, it is easier to differentiate them from regular tags. - I can hide them from view mode (with a custom ViewTemplate/tags) - I can apply a different ViewTemplate for each tiddler type. That is a bery useful pattern, I might just use the same for what now is called YoutubeSomething and will soon be MediaPlugin... http://youtube.tiddlyspot.com/ ...so as to not only be able to declare and relate annotations (and who knows what) to (embedded) media references, but also to provide hooks for extensions that provide an adaptor to yet another media type, e.g. vimeo, mp3, ogg, site foo... think of it as a special plugin-extension called ...i don't know... emoji's for your bottom tabs... which would show some ridiculous image... anyhow, the point being, the extension encapsulates and formalizes its own content, but hooks into your magic-tabs or my cornellish notes architecture to show up like any other of your tabs or of my related contents. - *Fields: *The semantic relations must be meaningful but general enough to be applied to different types of tiddlers. - So far, in MagicTabs, I use the following generic relations: - *authors*: this is a list field since a book or a paper, a song or a recipe, a plugin or a monument, can have several authors. - *about*: a note, a comment, a quote, a book, etc., is *about* something, it talks *about* something which can be (or not) another tiddler. This is also a list field since a note can talk about different things. - *source*: the source of a quote is a publication, the source of an image can be a webpage, the source of a character can be a novel, etc. - *parent*: this field is to create a generic hierarchy or categorization different from authors and source. This is a list field. Thanks you so much for the details, I was hoping that one day I'd understand the distinctions. ^^ - But specific relations can be necessary: - *ingredients*: for cooking recipes - *courses*: for students and teachers, resources, lessons. Indeed... thinking of this cornell thing... ingredients could be listed alongside a step in the preparation process as links to further information ...about artichokes... also makes me think that for a related not I might want to see more than a title, e.g. a related quantity... when it comes to ingredients. As for the note for step X, one thing would be to establish the semantic relationship: ingedient=artichoke and the other would be... quantity:3... for this step in the process. One might also wish to see a list of all ingredients to a recipe... the recipe being the note-context... so not just to the preparation step. Or, well, all open questions, notes, comments, references, foo bar baz... to a context... being a tiddler. - *Lists:* Besides types and fields, we need to show the related tiddlers through lists. And we need a mechanism to *relate lists to types*. - This is where I use the *bottom tabs*, which is a solution among others. And the mechanism used by MagicTabs is similar to the $:/tags/foo used by the core: - Any tiddler tiddler tagged *$:/tabs/foo* will be displayed as a bottom tab in all tiddlers tagged *$:/type/foo*. - For instance, if we have tiddlers tagged *$:/type/ingredient*, we can create a tab showing a list of recipes using those ingredients with a tiddler tagged *$:/tabs/ingredient* and the corresponding list filter. Yes, I was thinking you'd do that and it makes total sense. In my case, it would be a template that defines a line-item rather than a full-blown tab. - *Customization:* We have to separate contents (like filters in tabs) and the way they are displayed. If this is done
[tw] Re: Tip for serving TW5 on node to local network
The default command will run and listen on 127.0.0.1, in other words only the machine running the server will be able to connect to it. By running and listening on 0.0.0.0 it will listen on all network interfaces and will accept connections from any machine on the local network and not just from the machine running the server. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [tw] [TW5] Idea for a Hangouts TiddlyWiki
correction beging with a class=__cf_email__ On Sunday, January 11, 2015 at 7:07:30 PM UTC-6, BJ wrote: HI Rich, you have some html inserted in your tw - I downloaded your 'emtpy tw' and at line 3652 there is some html tags in the middle of json data being with a script tag cheers BJ On Sunday, January 11, 2015 at 5:36:14 PM UTC-6, RichShumaker wrote: Thanks Jeremy. So I have used the upgrade tool and the issue continued. I have put the file on Google Drive and it worked!!! So I have sent an issue to my hosting provider to see if they can figure out anything. I could have a weird server side interaction or who knows at this point. It is very weird. Now I really need the emoticon for jumping up and down in a huff like I am 7. Rich Shumaker -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [tw] [TW5] Idea for a Hangouts TiddlyWiki
Hi Rich Opening one of the offending wikis in Chrome with dev tools open shows that the problem is that it's failing the parse the JSON of the $:/core tiddler. So the core has been corrupted in some way. I'd expect you to be able to use tiddlywiki.com/upgrade.html to fix that, but it's possible that there are other problems that I didn't get to. Best wishes Jeremy. On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 11:11 PM, RichShumaker richshuma...@gmail.com wrote: So what is the emoticon for jumping up and down in place like I am seven? I know I am missing something simple at this point but I don't know what that simple thing is. So here is where I am at and it is a weird place to be at. If you go to the main page for all my TW's http://www.richshumaker.com/tw5/ All pages including empty5-1-5 are mess up except http://www.richshumaker.com/tw5/TW-Learning-Level1.html and http://www.richshumaker.com/tw5/TW-Learning-Level1old.htm Which is funny as those are the two I am wanting to redo the most, #heheh. I tried to ZIP and upload and decompress on the server to avoid potential issues being injected during upload. Same issue Java Box of Doom. I did what BJ suggested and compared the files from the server to the local file and they are identical. The file works locally but not on the server. I just uploaded a fresh new copy of TW5 http://www.richshumaker.com/tw5/testing/em5-1-7pty.htm(5.1.7), same issue, red box of doom. So that is empty version of 5.1.5 and 5.1.7 that both are showing a problem on the server. I have not been able to do what Tobias asked as I was not sure exactly what to remove when I was in the text editor. Loved looking at TW5 in the Text editor, very cool. I will be doing that more. So I guess I could try to upload this file to a shared space to see if the issue exists but many have said they see the issue locally even though I don't. The thing I find really weird is that not ALL of the files are broken which would at least be consistent. I am near my wits end so any suggestions are welcomed and thanks again everyone for your help. Rich Shumaker -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Jeremy Ruston mailto:jeremy.rus...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [tw] [TW5] Idea for a Hangouts TiddlyWiki
So I have a feeling something weird is happening on upload or on the server. I saved a blank empty.html and then uploaded it to my server. I downloaded the file from the page that serves it and went to it, Java RED box of doom. There are differences from the blank and downloaded version which should be identical. When I go to the page there are more differences and the Java RED box of doom comes up as well. I will let you guys know what I find out from the hosting company tomorrow and if you guys have any other suggestions let me know. Insert Huffy 7 year old emoticon here I am sure I did something silly and just need to fix that. Rich Shumaker -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[tw] Re: Prerelease of 5.1.8
I've uploaded a new prerelease that incorporates the latest pull requests from Astrid: http://tiddlywiki.com/prerelease Best wishes Jeremy On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 8:30 PM, Felix Küppers felixkuepp...@hotmail.de wrote: Hi Jeremy, Yes, I'll be away from GitHub, too, I'm afraid. But looking forward to getting back to a lots of well-polished pull requests :) Hehe, then I look forward to having you back soon :) Sometimes I am scared that the truck factor is pretty high for tiddlywiki. So please stay healthy and alive. Thank you. Now for the next 999,000 stars... Great attitude! Let's reach for the stars. -Felix -- Jeremy Ruston mailto:jeremy.rus...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [tw] [TW5] Idea for a Hangouts TiddlyWiki
So what is the emoticon for jumping up and down in place like I am seven? I know I am missing something simple at this point but I don't know what that simple thing is. So here is where I am at and it is a weird place to be at. If you go to the main page for all my TW's http://www.richshumaker.com/tw5/ All pages including empty5-1-5 are mess up except http://www.richshumaker.com/tw5/TW-Learning-Level1.html and http://www.richshumaker.com/tw5/TW-Learning-Level1old.htm Which is funny as those are the two I am wanting to redo the most, #heheh. I tried to ZIP and upload and decompress on the server to avoid potential issues being injected during upload. Same issue Java Box of Doom. I did what BJ suggested and compared the files from the server to the local file and they are identical. The file works locally but not on the server. I just uploaded a fresh new copy of TW5 http://www.richshumaker.com/tw5/testing/em5-1-7pty.htm(5.1.7), same issue, red box of doom. So that is empty version of 5.1.5 and 5.1.7 that both are showing a problem on the server. I have not been able to do what Tobias asked as I was not sure exactly what to remove when I was in the text editor. Loved looking at TW5 in the Text editor, very cool. I will be doing that more. So I guess I could try to upload this file to a shared space to see if the issue exists but many have said they see the issue locally even though I don't. The thing I find really weird is that not ALL of the files are broken which would at least be consistent. I am near my wits end so any suggestions are welcomed and thanks again everyone for your help. Rich Shumaker -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [tw] [TW5] Idea for a Hangouts TiddlyWiki
Hi Rich, What a relief! What kind of jumping emoticon are you missing now? #he he, I am guessing you can not get your arms down. Birthe -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [tw] [TW5] Idea for a Hangouts TiddlyWiki
WTF, sorry for swearing. I found the issue and I just confirmed it. BJ said Spam Filter and I went to check what things I have added to my site and then I remembered CloudFlare. I just added it and until BJ said Spam Filter I never even would have thought about it. I disabled CloudFlare on my site and boom goes the dynamite issue resolved. I must have agreed to have code injected in my HTML when I signed the license for CloudFlare. Here is the link to the now fully functional site http://www.richshumaker.com/tw5/TiddlyWiki-Hangouts.html. Tiddler I created on the site http://www.richshumaker.com/tw5/TiddlyWiki-Hangouts.html#Hangout%20Error%20-%20SOLUTION%20FOUND when I first started trying to figure out the issue. So that is one that we might want to write down. CloudFlare cause 1 guy an issue so it might cause you one too. Rich Shumaker -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups TiddlyWiki group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to tiddlywiki+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to tiddlywiki@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/tiddlywiki. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [tw] [TW5] Idea for a Hangouts TiddlyWiki
This looks like an anti-spam device - to stop email addresses being
harvested by spam bots from your website- your provider must be doing this.
- maybe we need a plugin to apply anti-spam parsing?
BJ
On Sunday, January 11, 2015 at 10:25:58 PM UTC-6, RichShumaker wrote:
I have a feeling I am having an uploading issue.
I took a clean empty.html file and uploaded it via FTP.
Then I downloaded the file from the web browser.
Oddly this one line changed in the process, remember I never looked at
this file online I simply uploaded it and downloaded it.
From Line 3651
Fresh Clean Empty.html
(c) Dean McNamee lt;d...@gmail.comgt;, 2012
Uploaded to server and Downloaded from browser link Empty.html
(c) Dean McNamee lt;a class=__cf_email__ href=
/cdn-cgi/l/email-protection data-cfemail=
debabbbfb09eb9b3bfb7b2f0bdb1b3[email#160;protected]/ascript
cf-hash='f9e31' type=text/javascript
/* ![CDATA[ */!function(){try{var t=currentScriptin document?document.
currentScript:function(){for(var t=document.getElementsByTagName(script
),e=t.length;e--;)if(t[e].getAttribute(cf-hash))return t[e]}();if(tt.
previousSibling){var e,r,n,i,c=t.previousSibling,a=c.getAttribute(
data-cfemail);if(a){for(e=,r=parseInt(a.substr(0,2),16),n=2;a.length-n
;n+=2)i=parseInt(a.substr(n,2),16)^r,e+=String.fromCharCode(i);e=document.
createTextNode(e),c.parentNode.replaceChild(e,c)}}}catch(u){}}();/* ]] */
/scriptgt;, 2012
So I am guessing my server which says it
Status: Server does not support non-ASCII characters.
Must have magically changed the code. I just don't get why an upload
would 'convert' the code to what looks like a link.
Any help is greatly appreciated and thank you very much again for all the
help.
Rich Shumaker
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