date:20160114

Matabele,

I think selection of tags by cycling will be very useful. It could make
grouping tags easier too.

Alex

On 14 January 2016 at 06:24, Matabele  wrote:

> Hi Alex
>
> Not sure where and how to add this, as it depends on both the macro, macro
> call, and the contents of the 'list' field. Difficult to describe within
> the constraints of widget examples.
>
> Would be easier if this macro were included as a demonstration macro on
> tw5.com -- then described in terms of a macro (that uses the
> ActionListops widget.)
>
> We'll see how other users get on with this, and if the macro needs
> changing before I submit anything to tw5.com. I'm also busy developing a
> cycle[] filter operator, which promises to offer more versatility.
>
> regards
>
> On Thursday, 14 January 2016 08:12:40 UTC+2, AlexHough wrote:
>>
>> It would make a good example of listOps on TiddlyWiki.com
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Re: [tw] [TW5] Cycle a Tag with the new ActionListops widget

William,

Sometimes i think it's good to leave it simple. I can understand what
you've done, if the ideas was further refined I might not have been exposed
to the thinking behind the solution

Alex

On 14 January 2016 at 11:12, William Jackson 
wrote:

> Hi Alex
>
> At the moment, the macro can only cycle tags from a single list/tiddler
> (the ‘list’ field.) It is this limitation that I am trying to address with
> a new filter operator.
>
> There is a workaround which uses two ActionListops widgets per cycled tag
> (one to rotate the list and one to set the tag). This would allow for
> several tags/tiddler — but I’m trying to make things easier :-)
>
> regards,
>
> William Jackson
>
> On 14 January 2016 at 1:06:08 PM, Alex Hough (r.a.ho...@gmail.com) wrote:
>
> Matabele,
>
> I think selection of tags by cycling will be very useful. It could make
> grouping tags easier too.
>
> Alex
>
> On 14 January 2016 at 06:24, Matabele  wrote:
>
>> Hi Alex
>>
>> Not sure where and how to add this, as it depends on both the macro,
>> macro call, and the contents of the 'list' field. Difficult to describe
>> within the constraints of widget examples.
>>
>> Would be easier if this macro were included as a demonstration macro on
>> tw5.com -- then described in terms of a macro (that uses the
>> ActionListops widget.)
>>
>> We'll see how other users get on with this, and if the macro needs
>> changing before I submit anything to tw5.com. I'm also busy developing a
>> cycle[] filter operator, which promises to offer more versatility.
>>
>> regards
>>
>> On Thursday, 14 January 2016 08:12:40 UTC+2, AlexHough wrote:
>>>
>>> It would make a good example of listOps on TiddlyWiki.com
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[tw] Re: [TW5] A tool to create and import schools (swarms? Groups? whatever) of tiddlers (move multiple tiddlers between wikis easily)

@Jed - I must say this can become an extremely valuable tool.

Instead of making drawings, I have attempted to modify your creation.

1) I discovered it is possible to drag'n drop tiddler links into the
tiddler bundle filter field! I think this is a very nice aspect and feels
user friendly. I made that field bigger so it also feels more like a drop
area and also a "box" into which you put your stuff that you're going to
bundle. The CSS could be improved though.

2) I didn't like to see a "missing bundle link" before the bundle was
created. So, I've made it so that it becomes visible only on clicking
"Create". A tricky part is to get the bundle name editor to show a default
name (Tiddler Bundle). I set it as a default value and as a placeholder,
but it is still not 100%.

3) I added a small garbage can but it is not implemented.

4) I have not really touched the un-bundling part - and one reason is this:

I think it would be much better if the tiddlers were stored in json format!
Because;

- There is then no need for a separate un-bundler. It works
automatically with the import mechanism that everyone is familiar with.
Anybody can directly just grab a bundle!
- JSON is very much readable.
- ...and using JSON it means we don't need to introduce the arbitrary
format currently implemented.

That first bullet is clearly the biggie and would increase usability
tremendously - or what do you say?

Again, thank you for an extremely promising creation. I have said of Tinka
that I consider it one of the most important plugins because it opens up
for simple end users like myself to make (and share!) other plugins - i.e
it is a *tool-to-make-tools*. Super important. IMO, the Tiddler Bundler is
*even
a step forward* in that it makes things super transparent!

With some further UI tweaks to both the Tiddler Bundler and Tinka, I think
they will make perfect complements.

Demo

<:-)

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[tw] Re: [EOL-TS] Message from TiddlySpace

TiddlySpot is a hosting service run by long time community members and (I 
believe) cousings Simon and Daniel Baird of Australia. 
It is absolutely free and you can use for both TW2 and TW5, and even a few 
premade applications for TW2. It has worked flawlessly over the years, as 
far as I know, and I've probably set up more than a 100 tiddlyspots over 
the years.

IMO it is the easiest way to get an online TW and it's really easy to 
publish a plugin or merely set up a demo - perhaps even just for a 
question. You can also make pull-requests, i.e contributions to both the 
actual TW5 core or to tiddlywiki.com documentation there, by simply 
alerting Jeremy about it.

Setting up a TW5 requires a few extra steps because the tiddlyspot front 
only offers TW2 variants. TW5 performs flawlessly there also though and 
it's not difficult to set up a TW5 - I've detailed it here on TWaddle 
,
 my 
main "publish-to-the-community" TiddlySpot.

<:-)

On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 3:38:51 AM UTC+1, Scott Simmons 
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>
> Where does Tiddly*Spot* fit into the current/future ecosystem of 
> TiddlyDevelopment, TiddlyHosting, and TiddlySharing?
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Re: [tw] Advice request. 1 doc for everything vs several specialized docs

Guayo,

I've been using TW for quite while now: my current strategy is to use lots
of wikis and to put them in a GitHub folder. If I want to publish the TW I
can do, I use the GitHub desktop tool.

When I want a new wiki i either save one of my existing ones with a
different name or visit TiddlyWiki.com and download the whole page. I can
then make suggestions to change TW and have all the help on hand.

There are a couple of macros on TW.com that the empty doesn't have;
thumnail macro and the documentation macros.

It's a little bit more risky, you need to watch out for clicking the back
button on the browser, but i just save the TW when i am making a big change
by clicking the red tick.

Sometimes I will download Tobias' plugins wiki and play with that.

Remember you can drag tiddlers to your wiki from another wiki's sidebar, or
from any wiki link. I do that a lot.

I don't bother with external images, I take screenshots and drag them into
my TW.

I have also started using encripted wikis. I was surprised by the feeling
of producing "secret" stuff, i felt liberated, and that surprised me.

@Jeremy, given that TW is explicitly  "a non-linear personal web notebook"
I more could be made of the "personal". Would it be heresy to propose
considering  "a non-linear personal / private / web notebook" -- or at
least re-emphasising the private. I think its a great feature. I've put
data onto my laptop that I wouldn't have otherwise.

Alex

On 14 January 2016 at 06:37, Guayo Mena  wrote:

> Hi! I'm loving TiddlyWiki and I'm using it more and more every day.
>
> I'm a freelancer web developer, so I'm using it to store notes about
> programming tips, documentation on projects and details on clients. So my
> fil is growing quickly.
> I already have lots of tags.
>
> Although I've read that TiddlyWiki files can grow up to gigabyte sizes and
> still work properly, I wanted to know from experienced users if it would be
> better to have different documents for everything as opposed to developing
> a complex tag hierarchy. (ie. One doc for clients, projects and
> documentation VS a separate doc for each one of those things)
>
> What do you think? I would like to read some opinions.
>
> Thanks!!
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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] A tool to create and import schools (swarms? Groups? whatever) of tiddlers (move multiple tiddlers between wikis easily)

I am following this thread with interest. I am wondering if a set of
tiddlers is exported as JSON, then they can be reformed into tiddlers when
imported into a new wiki -- either in bulk or as needed.

I've really just discovered dictionary and JSON tiddlers, they open up new
possibilities in my mind. Is there a way of "sending" a tiddler into a JSON
tiddler? It seems like a natural step in a refactoring / editing process,
like the tiddler doesn't need to be chanaged anymore, but no need for "$:/"
prefixes. (I find plugin titles very difficult to read when they are
packaged)

Alex



On 14 January 2016 at 13:33, Mat  wrote:

> @Jed - I must say this can become an extremely valuable tool.
>
> Instead of making drawings, I have attempted to modify your creation.
>
> 1) I discovered it is possible to drag'n drop tiddler links into the
> tiddler bundle filter field! I think this is a very nice aspect and feels
> user friendly. I made that field bigger so it also feels more like a drop
> area and also a "box" into which you put your stuff that you're going to
> bundle. The CSS could be improved though.
>
> 2) I didn't like to see a "missing bundle link" before the bundle was
> created. So, I've made it so that it becomes visible only on clicking
> "Create". A tricky part is to get the bundle name editor to show a default
> name (Tiddler Bundle). I set it as a default value and as a placeholder,
> but it is still not 100%.
>
> 3) I added a small garbage can but it is not implemented.
>
>
> 4) I have not really touched the un-bundling part - and one reason is this:
>
> I think it would be much better if the tiddlers were stored in json
> format! Because;
>
>
>- There is then no need for a separate un-bundler. It works
>automatically with the import mechanism that everyone is familiar with.
>Anybody can directly just grab a bundle!
>- JSON is very much readable.
>- ...and using JSON it means we don't need to introduce the arbitrary
>format currently implemented.
>
>
> That first bullet is clearly the biggie and would increase usability
> tremendously - or what do you say?
>
> Again, thank you for an extremely promising creation. I have said of Tinka
> that I consider it one of the most important plugins because it opens up
> for simple end users like myself to make (and share!) other plugins - i.e
> it is a *tool-to-make-tools*. Super important. IMO, the Tiddler Bundler
> is *even a step forward* in that it makes things super transparent!
>
> With some further UI tweaks to both the Tiddler Bundler and Tinka, I think
> they will make perfect complements.
>
> Demo 
>
> <:-)
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[tw] Re: Advise request. 1 doc for everything vs several specialized docs

2016-01-14 Thread David Gifford

Hi Guayo

I recommend a central index TW bookmarked in your browser. Put your other 
TWs in the same folder as the central index, and give them short, easy to 
remember names. 

Then when you want to start a new tiddler in one of the TWs, go first to 
the central index and create a tiddler for that topic (eg Clients), then 
type in an external link to an as yet uncreated tiddler in the other TW 
file. Example: [ext[Lucy Parsons|./clients.html#Lucy Parsons]]

where [ext[ ]] is the external link markup,

Lucy Parsons is the text that will show in the link,

| divides the above from the actual link,

./ is the relative path to the other TW file

clients.html is the other file, 

# indicates that the rest of the link is to a tiddler in that file, 

and Lucy Parsons is the name of the tiddler.

Save and click the link and you will be taken to the other file to create 
your tiddler. If the tiddler already exists there, it will appear.

That way you have one index of everything, so everything is easy to find, 
but you don't worry about filesize. The central index will just be links to 
the other TW files where all the content is.

Dave

On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 12:37:41 AM UTC-6, Guayo Mena wrGuayoote:
>
> Hi! I'm loving TiddlyWiki and I'm using it more and more every day.
>
> I'm a freelancer web developer, so I'm using it to store notes about 
> programming tips, documentation on projects, some tasks  and details on 
> clients and meetings. As you can imagine, my file is growing quickly.
> I already have lots of tags.
>
> Although I've read that TiddlyWiki files can grow up to gigabyte sizes and 
> still work properly, I wanted to know from experienced users if it would be 
> better to have different documents for everything as opposed to developing 
> a complex tag hierarchy. (ie. One doc for clients, projects and 
> documentation VS a separate doc for each one of those things)
>
> What do you think? I would like to read some opinions.
>
> Thanks!!
>

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[tw] Re: Saving TW files locally fails on a linux box

First off, I just realized I made a small mistake in my description. I said I 
couldn't save 
from localhost. That's somewhat misleading. When I'm at home, I load the page 
directly from the hard drive, ie. 

file:///var/www/html/tiddly/filename.html

This has always worked in the past.

On Thursday, January 14, 2016 17:17:43 Hegart Dmishiv wrote:
> Hi Alex, can you save the file directly to your /var/www/html folder? Or to
> the relevant subdirectory under that? Doing so would isolate out any
> potential Apache issues. Just a thought for diagnosis, not a real solution.

Well, if I'm on the page using the URL I mentioned above, and use my browser's 
"Save 
page as..." command in the "File" menu, then ask to save it under a new name in 
the 
same spot (ie. /var/www/html/tiddly), then yes, that does work.

I'm assuming that's what you meant?

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[tw] Re: Saving TW files locally fails on a linux box

2016-01-14 Thread Hegart Dmishiv

Hi Alex, yeah, you also mentioned Apache, so I assumed that you are hosting 
and serving your TiddlyWiki from Apache locally on the same machine you use 
to browse it from. I do that sometimes for testing purposes, and find that 
accessing /var/www/html directly is a good way to diagnose Apache problems. 
If you're not even using Apache to serve your TiddlyWiki, is there any 
advantage to storing it in the /var/www/html directory? Why not just save 
it and browser to it from a subdirectory of your home folder?

Also, using the browser's save functionality is not recommend when using 
TW. It is best to use "Save Changes" in the TW sidebar (the red tick icon). 
You can then select a folder to save it to. Try saving it directly to 
/var/ww/html/tiddly/ if that is where you browse it from.

On Friday, 15 January 2016 14:54:28 UTC+13, Alex S. Garcia wrote:
>
> First off, I just realized I made a small mistake in my description. I 
> said I couldn't save from localhost. That's somewhat misleading. When I'm 
> at home, I load the page directly from the hard drive, ie. 
>
>  
>
> file:///var/www/html/tiddly/filename.html
>
>  
>
> This has always worked in the past.
>
>  
>
> On Thursday, January 14, 2016 17:17:43 Hegart Dmishiv wrote:
>
> > Hi Alex, can you save the file directly to your /var/www/html folder? Or 
> to
>
> > the relevant subdirectory under that? Doing so would isolate out any
>
> > potential Apache issues. Just a thought for diagnosis, not a real 
> solution.
>
>  
>
> Well, if I'm on the page using the URL I mentioned above, and use my 
> browser's "Save page as..." command in the "File" menu, then ask to save it 
> under a new name in the same spot (ie. /var/www/html/tiddly), then yes, 
> that does work.
>
>  
>
> I'm assuming that's what you meant?
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Alex.
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[tw] Re: Saving TW files locally fails on a linux box

2016-01-14 Thread Hegart Dmishiv

Hi Alex, can you save the file directly to your /var/www/html folder? Or to 
the relevant subdirectory under that? Doing so would isolate out any 
potential Apache issues. Just a thought for diagnosis, not a real solution.

On Friday, 15 January 2016 11:26:52 UTC+13, Alex S. Garcia wrote:
>
> I recently had to upgrade my entire system and now I can no longer save 
> changes when I edit a tiddly file.
>
>  
>
> It's very odd, because I installed a plugin that allows me to work on my 
> files remotely, and when using that I can save data just fine. But doing it 
> from localhost fails with the following message:
>
>  
>
> 
>
> It's not possible to save changes. Possible reasons include:
>
> - your browser doesn't support saving (Firefox, Internet Explorer, Safari 
> and Opera all work if properly configured)
>
> - the pathname to your TiddlyWiki file contains illegal characters
>
> - the TiddlyWiki HTML file has been moved or renamed
>
> 
>
>  
>
> I've tried with different browsers (Firefox, Vivaldi and Opera) but they 
> all return that same error.
>
>  
>
> And it's not the pathname (besides, it's the same as before, and it worked 
> fine in the past).
>
>  
>
> And I haven't moved any of the files around, so it's not that third thing 
> either.
>
>  
>
> I'm suspecting perhaps a permission issue, but I've tried everything I 
> could think of to no avail.
>
>  
>
> My tiddly folder is owned by my user (likewise for the group) and the 
> permissions are set to drwxrwxr-x.
>
>  
>
> The contents of that folder are also owned by my user, with permissions 
> set to -rwxrwxr-x.
>
>  
>
> /var/www & /var/www/html are both owned by root:root (drwxr-xr-x).
>
>  
>
> What am I missing here?
>
>  
>
> On a side note, I made apache a member of my user's group so that it could 
> have access.
>
>  
>
> Any thoughts/leads would be appreciated!
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Alex.
>
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[tw] Re: how do I make use the Tight Theme?

2016-01-14 Thread Smandoli

Amazing.  It works.  Thanks!

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Re: [tw] Re: Saving TW files locally fails on a linux box

OK, I think there is some confusion, so I'm going to try to clarify things a 
bit ;-)

> you also mentioned Apache, so I assumed
> that you are hosting and serving your TiddlyWiki from
> Apache locally on the same machine you use to browse it
> from. I do that sometimes for testing purposes, and find
> that accessing /var/www/html directly is a good way to
> diagnose Apache problems. 

This is actually how I typically work when I'm at home. I just load the file 
from 
/var/www/html into my browser directly.

> If you're not even using Apache
> to serve your TiddlyWiki, is there any advantage to
> storing it in the /var/www/html directory? Why not just
> save it and browser to it from a subdirectory of your
> home folder?

Well, I do need to be able to access it when I'm travelling (or at work), so I 
can work on 
my stuff from anywhere I am, that was the whole point for me of setting up 
tiddly's in 
the first place.

So, to sum it up: when at home I use /var/www/html.

When I'm not home, I connect remotely via my webserver.

> Also, using the browser's save functionality is not
> recommend when using TW. It is best to use "Save Changes"
> in the TW sidebar (the red tick icon). 

Yes. That's what I normally do. I only used the browser's save functionality 
because I 
thought that was the test you wanted me to do in your previous message. I must 
have 
misunderstood you ;-)

Normally I do this:

When at home, I click on "Save changes" under "Admin tools" in the side bar.

When I'm not home, I use the plugin which adds a "Save to web" option to the 
sidebar.

The latter currently works, while the former is the one that is now broken, for 
some 
reason.

Hope that clarified things a bit.



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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Experience with PlantUML and TW5

2016-01-14 Thread Brian Theado

On Thu, Jan 14, 2016 at 5:10 PM, Mat  wrote:
> @Tobias - forgive me if it is obvious but what does "Render plantuml
> diagrams online" mean? Can it not be used offline? Is it somehow connected
> to the PlantUML servers?

It looks like it does access the plantuml.com server in order to
render the image.

There are several libraries which perform similar functionality
client-side only:

https://bramp.github.io/js-sequence-diagrams/
http://knsv.github.io/mermaid/sequenceDiagram.html
http://www.nomnoml.com/

I didn't look at Tobias' code to see how easy it would be to integrate
any of the above.

Also of related interest: http://mdaines.github.io/viz.js/ - this one
is not UML, but rather a javascript implementation of
http://graphviz.org. More of a way to create graphs like tiddlymap and
tidgraph, only with a text based syntax rather than with tiddler
relationships.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] I can't open my wiki because of an infinite loop

2016-01-14 Thread Eric Shulman

On Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 3:42:14 PM UTC-8, Omit wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I did something very stupid: I tagged "Tiddler A" with "Tiddler B", and I 
> tagged "Tiddler B" with "Tiddler A".
> So the table of contents on the right becomes infinite, and my browser 
> crashes.
> Unfortunately, the wiki is encrypted so I cannot modify the source code to 
> remove one of the tags.
> I tried the firefox javascript debugger with no success.
> I am afraid that my information is lost. Is there any way to save it?
>

If you modified the TableOfContents shadow tiddler (e.g., to use your own 
"root tag"), then you might be able to bypass the problem by using Safe 
Mode (http://tiddlywiki.com/#SafeMode) to load the file with the default 
shadow TableOfContents, so that TiddlerA and TiddlerB won't be in the tree, 
avoiding the infinite recursion.

Another method that might work:

First, drop the 'broken' document on a fresh empty.html and import all 
tiddlers except for TiddlerB.  Next, edit TiddlerA and remove the tag for 
TiddlerB.  Then, you can safely import TiddlerB without it causing the 
infinite recursion.

enjoy,
-e

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[tw] Saving TW files locally fails on a linux box

I recently had to upgrade my entire system and now I can no longer save changes 
when I edit a tiddly file.

It's very odd, because I installed a plugin that allows me to work on my files 
remotely, 
and when using that I can save data just fine. But doing it from localhost 
fails with the 
following message:


It's not possible to save changes. Possible reasons include:
- your browser doesn't support saving (Firefox, Internet Explorer, Safari and 
Opera all 
work if properly configured)
- the pathname to your TiddlyWiki file contains illegal characters
- the TiddlyWiki HTML file has been moved or renamed


I've tried with different browsers (Firefox, Vivaldi and Opera) but they all 
return that 
same error.

And it's not the pathname (besides, it's the same as before, and it worked fine 
in the 
past).

And I haven't moved any of the files around, so it's not that third thing 
either.

I'm suspecting perhaps a permission issue, but I've tried everything I could 
think of to 
no avail.

My tiddly folder is owned by my user (likewise for the group) and the 
permissions are 
set to drwxrwxr-x.

The contents of that folder are also owned by my user, with permissions set to -
rwxrwxr-x.

/var/www & /var/www/html are both owned by root:root (drwxr-xr-x).

What am I missing here?

On a side note, I made apache a member of my user's group so that it could have 
access.

Any thoughts/leads would be appreciated!



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[tw] Re: [TW5] I can't open my wiki because of an infinite loop

2016-01-14 Thread Omit

OK, sorry for the useless noise! I fixed my problem by importing the 
problematic tiddlywiki file to a new other tiddlywiki, and I imported 
everything except "Tiddler B".


On Friday, January 15, 2016 at 1:42:14 AM UTC+2, Omit wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I did something very stupid: I tagged "Tiddler A" with "Tiddler B", and I 
> tagged "Tiddler B" with "Tiddler A".
>
> So the table of contents on the right becomes infinite, and my browser 
> crashes.
>
> Unfortunately, the wiki is encrypted so I cannot modify the source code to 
> remove one of the tags.
>
> I tried the firefox javascript debugger with no success.
>
> I am afraid that my information is lost. Is there any way to save it?
>
> Cheers
>

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Re: [tw] Re: Sorting a list of tiddlers by the output of a macro contained in a field

2016-01-14 Thread David Allen

Thanks for that.  Worked well once I figured out what you were saying

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On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 1:20 AM, Tobias Beer  wrote:

> Hi David,
>
>
>> ...let me try to make sense of that.  I have some character tiddlers with
>> a caption field. Said caption field contains a macro call that returns the
>> characters name, albeit rearranged.  I'd like to sort a list of character
>> tiddlers by the rearranged name, a.k.a. the caption field *after* the
>> macro it contains is run.  Is there any way to do this?
>>
>
> I'd think not. What you can do is:
>
>1. create a button that contains a list widget
>2. iterates through all characters
>3. storing a computed name in an actual field
>   - rather than using the macro as the field-value
>
> Best wishes, Tobias.
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[tw] Re: [TW5] Experience with PlantUML and TW5

Hi Richard,

Almost ready. ;-)
Tomorrow.

Best wishes,

Tobias.

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Experience with PlantUML and TW5

Well, let's do it this way:
Here's a "sneak preview" 0.5.0 Beta  version of 
tobibeer/plantuml :

http://tobibeer.github.io/tw5-plugins/#plantuml

Gotta say, I like this stuff, despite the dependency ;-)

Best wishes,

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[tw] Re: TWC: Sending a tiddler to pdf directly?

2016-01-14 Thread okido

Hi Shankar,

You might consider jsPDF. 
Load to .js file in a tiddler and tag it with systemConfig.
Execute the example code with inlinejavascript plugin, the pdf is than 
created in the download folder.

Regards, Okido

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Re: [tw] Re: Random ordering of tiddlers

2016-01-14 Thread David Allen

 Thanks for the plugin, works great!

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On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 2:31 AM, Alex Hough  wrote:

> @Tobias,
>
> I was thinking about random plugin when I read about a comosition aid used
> by David Bowie
>
>
> https://gnoetrydaily.wordpress.com/2010/09/15/other-tools-more-about-verbasizer/
>
> Alex
>
> On 12 January 2016 at 07:25, Tobias Beer  wrote:
>
>> Hi David,
>>
>>
>>> Is there a way to take a selection of tiddlers and shuffle them so they
>>> appear to be in a random order?
>>>
>>
>> Take a look at tobibeer/random
>> :
>>
>> http://tobibeer.github.io/tw5-plugins/#random
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Tobias.
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[tw] [TW5] Tiddler visible between two dates

2016-01-14 Thread Philippe Renders

Hi,

Is there a way I could  have a tiddler visible after a specified date and 
possibly disappearing after another date ?

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Experience with PlantUML and TW5

Hi Anibal,
 

> Well done, Tobias, thank you very much!!
>

Thank you. At first the plantuml plantuml looked somewhat plain. But, 
exploring a bit, it appears to cater for quite a lot of modeling and all 
that with a nice, readable syntax. I like that a lot.
 

> This is Aníbal, author of the PlantUml plugin for TiddlyWiki Classic.
>

Cool stuff! I'm a bit amazed that I have not come across your plugin yet.
Now that TiddlySpace is closing up shop,
I'll be moving http://customize.tiddlyspace.com
...and will add a reference to your PlantUML plugin in the process.
 

> Richard asked me yesterday about updating the plugin for TW5, and I was 
> going to have a look at it, and see how to build a plugin for TW5, and now 
> what I find is that you've already done the work, which is very nice :).
>

I'll do a little more polishing. If you have anything else in mind, since 
you've done a similar thing and perhaps stumbled over similar blocks / 
wishes, feedback is sure welcome.
 

> I'll link your plugin from mine's page, so if people find it, will know a 
> version for TW 5 exists.
>

Great!
 

> Also, would be good if you inform PlantUML people about it, so they can 
> link it from their site.
>

Will do. Is it ok for you if I asked them to put the links to both plugins 
like this:

Integrate it with TiddlyWiki 
 (or TiddlyWiki classic 
)

at http://plantuml.com/running.html?

Best wishes,

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Re: [tw] Re: Saving TW files locally fails on a linux box

2016-01-14 Thread Hegart Dmishiv

Sorry for the confusion there. I see what you're getting at now. To prove 
it out to a permissions problem with your /var/www/html folder or 
subfolders, have you tried saving the download (when browsed from the local 
machine, not via Apache, as we can conclude the problem isn't there) 
temporarily to your home folder, as a test download?

On Friday, 15 January 2016 16:49:04 UTC+13, Alex S. Garcia wrote:
>
> OK, I think there is some confusion, so I'm going to try to clarify things 
> a bit ;-)
>
>  
>
> > you also mentioned Apache, so I assumed
>
> > that you are hosting and serving your TiddlyWiki from
>
> > Apache locally on the same machine you use to browse it
>
> > from. I do that sometimes for testing purposes, and find
>
> > that accessing /var/www/html directly is a good way to
>
> > diagnose Apache problems. 
>
>  
>
> This is actually how I typically work when I'm at home. I just load the 
> file from /var/www/html into my browser directly.
>
>  
>
> > If you're not even using Apache
>
> > to serve your TiddlyWiki, is there any advantage to
>
> > storing it in the /var/www/html directory? Why not just
>
> > save it and browser to it from a subdirectory of your
>
> > home folder?
>
>  
>
> Well, I do need to be able to access it when I'm travelling (or at work), 
> so I can work on my stuff from anywhere I am, that was the whole point for 
> me of setting up tiddly's in the first place.
>
>  
>
> So, to sum it up: when at home I use /var/www/html.
>
>  
>
> When I'm not home, I connect remotely via my webserver.
>
>  
>
> > Also, using the browser's save functionality is not
>
> > recommend when using TW. It is best to use "Save Changes"
>
> > in the TW sidebar (the red tick icon). 
>
>  
>
> Yes. That's what I normally do. I only used the browser's save 
> functionality because I thought that was the test you wanted me to do in 
> your previous message. I must have misunderstood you ;-)
>
>  
>
> Normally I do this:
>
>  
>
> When at home, I click on "Save changes" under "Admin tools" in the side 
> bar.
>
>  
>
> When I'm not home, I use the plugin which adds a "Save to web" option to 
> the sidebar.
>
>  
>
> The latter currently works, while the former is the one that is now 
> broken, for some reason.
>
>  
>
> Hope that clarified things a bit.
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Alex.
>
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Re: [tw] Re: Saving TW files locally fails on a linux box

On Thursday, January 14, 2016 20:41:24 Hegart Dmishiv wrote:
> Sorry for the confusion there. I see what you're getting
> at now. To prove it out to a permissions problem with
> your /var/www/html folder or subfolders, have you tried
> saving the download (when browsed from the local machine,
> not via Apache, as we can conclude the problem isn't
> there) temporarily to your home folder, as a test
> download?

If I use the browser's saving functionality? Yes, that does work if I use that 
to 
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[tw] Re: [TW5] Tiddler visible between two dates

Hi Philippe,
  

> Is there a way I could  have a tiddler visible after a specified date and 
> possibly disappearing after another date ?
>

   1. *"visible"* (for a period of time)
   1. how / where?
  2. why?
   2. *"disappearing"* (after a period of time)
  1. how / where?
  2. why?
   
Best wishes,

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[tw] [TW5] I can't open my wiki because of an infinite loop

2016-01-14 Thread Omit

Hi,

I did something very stupid: I tagged "Tiddler A" with "Tiddler B", and I 
tagged "Tiddler B" with "Tiddler A".

So the table of contents on the right becomes infinite, and my browser 
crashes.

Unfortunately, the wiki is encrypted so I cannot modify the source code to 
remove one of the tags.

I tried the firefox javascript debugger with no success.

I am afraid that my information is lost. Is there any way to save it?

Cheers

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Experience with PlantUML and TW5

Hi Mat,

I'd agree that is extremely interesting - imagine musical notes for example.
>

I think someone (Mans?) once did some integrating with Bopland 
.
Turns out this was TWC, the integration having been a whole lot simpler.
But it pretty much operates in the same mode,
it passes notation to a server (whereas the bopland script does the heavy 
lifting)
and then embeds whatever is returned.
 

> A thought; Couldn't this be made into an *edition*?
>

Not sure if a dependency to a third party online-provider qualifies for 
this.
 

> (...which, which probably Railroad should be too).
>

That definitely. I was looking for it and didn't find anything.
For one, I'd think railroad should outsource the docs (more)
and have a proper installation source.
 

> This way it can be promoted as more of a standalone tool with a 
> particularly interesting and powerful UI for people who search for UML 
> tools.
>

Definitely, perhaps for now an entry in the Community section makes most 
sense.
 

> I believe it is valuable to make TW things that are *not really about* TW 
> into standalones that work as a potential gateway (an appetizer 
> !) into TW.
>

Very much agree.
 

> While the PlantUML community might not be huge (or?) it is on the other 
> hand very much the "kind" of people that would be valuable for the TW 
> project.
>

Actually, I think it's tools like these that integrate with TiddlyWiki 
really well and can bring about a quite fruitful symbiosis on both ends.

@Tobias - forgive me if it is obvious but what does "*Render plantuml 
> diagrams **online*" mean? Can it not be used offline? Is it somehow 
> connected to the PlantUML servers?
>

So, yes, it means that for it to render any images it entirely depends on 
the availability of that server. I'll, however, make it so that it will at 
least support different servers.

Best wishes, Tobias.

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Experience with PlantUML and TW5

Hi Brian,
 

> It looks like it does access the plantuml.com server in order to 
> render the image. 
>

Indeed,
 

> I didn't look at Tobias' code to see how easy it would be to integrate 
> any of the above. 
>

While there are possibly some similarities,
I think the process will be different for other libraries.
Having a server do the rendering makes things simpler.
For plantuml, I am actually using the image widget under the hood,
or an iframe for textual renderings.

If a js library created the output,
then that would have to be rendered by equivalent
widgetry and markup into the dom.
The docs are a bit unpolished still,
will improve later today.

More of a way to create graphs like tiddlymap and 
> tidgraph, only with a text based syntax rather than with tiddler 
> relationships. 
>

I think the real interesting parts come about when the two can be 
intermingled,
as is the case with TiddlyMap and TidGraph.

Plantuml does not allow you to click on the image "nodes"
to navigate TiddlyWiki.

Perhaps Jed could create a basic ui based on his SVG editing tool
that would allow creating some sort of invisible svg "overlay",
or where you could "highlight" those nodes in your wiki
and make the overlay clickable so as to navigate around.

Best wishes,

Tobias.

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[tw] Re: Passing a Transcluded Field Value to a Filter

2016-01-14 Thread Scott Simmons (Secret-HQ)

Thanks for the suggestion, Tobias!

I believe I've managed to boil it to down the actual issue here:

http://tiddlywiki.secret-hq.com/testing/PassingFieldValueToListFilter.html

Nevermind the to-do-list applications.  The root problem is my inability to 
have a macro check a tiddler field and pass the value from that field into 
a filter.  I believe it's related to the order in which values are fetched 
and wikified.  I've also included two alternate approaches in the test 
case, so you can see what I've tried that hasn't borne fruit.

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[tw] Re: Passing a Transcluded Field Value to a Filter

Hi Scott,

If you could post a minimal demo somewhere to play with,
this would be easier to test and play with possible solutions.

Best wishes,

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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] Experience with PlantUML and TW5

Tobias,

Fantastic


Alex

On 14 January 2016 at 21:07, Anibal Caceres Hernando <
anibal.cace...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> Well done, Tobias, thank you very much!!
> This is Aníbal, author of the PlantUml plugin for TiddlyWiki Classic.
> Richard asked me yesterday about updating the plugin for TW5, and I was
> going to have a look at it, and see how to build a plugin for TW5, and now
> what I find is that you've already done the work, which is very nice :).
> I'll link your plugin from mine's page, so if people find it, will know a
> version for TW 5 exists. Also, would be good if you inform PlantUML people
> about it, so they can link it from their site.
> Thanks again!!
> Kind regards,
>
> Aníbal Cáceres.
>
> El jueves, 14 de enero de 2016, 20:05:14 (UTC+1), Tobias Beer escribió:
>>
>> Well, let's do it this way:
>> Here's a "sneak preview" 0.5.0 Beta  version of
>> tobibeer/plantuml :
>>
>> http://tobibeer.github.io/tw5-plugins/#plantuml
>>
>> Gotta say, I like this stuff, despite the dependency ;-)
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
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[tw] Re: [TW5] Experience with PlantUML and TW5

2016-01-14 Thread Anibal Caceres Hernando

Hi,
Well done, Tobias, thank you very much!!
This is Aníbal, author of the PlantUml plugin for TiddlyWiki Classic. 
Richard asked me yesterday about updating the plugin for TW5, and I was 
going to have a look at it, and see how to build a plugin for TW5, and now 
what I find is that you've already done the work, which is very nice :).
I'll link your plugin from mine's page, so if people find it, will know a 
version for TW 5 exists. Also, would be good if you inform PlantUML people 
about it, so they can link it from their site.
Thanks again!!
Kind regards,

Aníbal Cáceres. 

El jueves, 14 de enero de 2016, 20:05:14 (UTC+1), Tobias Beer escribió:
>
> Well, let's do it this way:
> Here's a "sneak preview" 0.5.0 Beta  version of 
> tobibeer/plantuml :
>
> http://tobibeer.github.io/tw5-plugins/#plantuml
>
> Gotta say, I like this stuff, despite the dependency ;-)
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Tobias.
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Re: [tw] Escape characters in setvars

2016-01-14 Thread David Allen

<$setvars
 _dq='"'
 _nameoutputprefix="<$macrocall $name="
 _nameoutputspecies={{Doff_Species!!species}}
 _nameoutputname={{$:/temp/genericname}}
 _nameoutputsuffix="/>"
 nameone="nameoutputname[1]"
 nametwo="nameoutputname[2]"
 namethree="nameoutputname[3]"
 nameoutputline="nameoutputprefix dq \name_output\ dq \ species=\
nameoutputspecies \ first=\ dq nameone dq \ second=\ dq nametwo dq \
third=\ dq namethree dq nameoutputsuffix">
<>


This builds a macrocall widget that can contain, if needed, both single and
double quotes.  _dq is defined as a double-quote inside single quotes.
nameone, nametwo, and namethree are surrounded with the dq variable to
allow single quotes inside the name if present.  Otherwise, both the macro
widget and the << >> way of calling a macro would not work.

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>
> Would you mind posting an example to play around with?
>>
>>
> Best wishes,
>
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[tw] Re: [TWC] Line breaks between consecutive sliders

2016-01-14 Thread Robert Edwards

@cmari -- yes, on latest. It's a bit confusing b/c the "loaded" seems to be 
one rev older than the "empty". I could not recall which I started with. In 
mine I find that if I post the code snippet I posted above by itself like 
you I also get line breaks. However that's not the entire tiddler, rather 
it's the second of two columns. In the full tiddler they render side by 
side.

@Eric -- thanks! That puts them on separate lines. Having now seen them on 
consecutive lines I'd now like whitespace between them, i.e. another blank 
line. Seems to put me right back where I started, wanting a line break and 
not able to create it. Grrr! I tried inserting a  between the divs, 
inserting within the divs, putting in its own div, etc but haven't found a 
formula that works. I know, picky picky, picky Here's the current 
appearance:

Cheers!

On Wednesday, January 13, 2016 at 7:02:27 PM UTC-5, Robert Edwards wrote:
>
> @cmari -- as far as I can recall, yes. It's on my work PC and I'm at home 
> now but will verify.
>
> @Eric -- thanks! I'll give that a try!
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 13, 2016 at 3:56:34 PM UTC-5, Eric Shulman wrote:
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 13, 2016 at 11:27:17 AM UTC-8, Robert Edwards wrote:
>>>
>>> I would prefer those two sliders to be on consecutive lines
>>>
>>  
>> Try this:
>> @@display:block;<>display:block;<>@@
>>
>> i.e., use CSS to wrap each slider in it's own DIV:
>>
>> enjoy,
>> -e
>>
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Re: [tw] Re: [TW5] A tool to create and import schools (swarms? Groups? whatever) of tiddlers (move multiple tiddlers between wikis easily)

@Alex

I am following this thread with interest. I am wondering if a set of 
> tiddlers is exported as JSON, then they can be reformed into tiddlers when 
> imported into a new wiki -- either in bulk or as needed.
>

Yes, exactly. To test it, open two browser tabs, one with tiddlywiki.com 
and the other with tiddlywiki.com/empty.

>From tw.com, either export a single tiddler as json (i.e via the regular 
tiddler toolbar) or use Export All under the sidebar Tools tab. This 
creates a json file on your computer. You can peek at it using e.g notepad. 
To import it into tw.com/empty just drag'n drop. Very smooth. This is why 
I'd love to see tiddler bundles formatted into plain json - anyone could 
import it in a snap and it would be s easy for *really *anyone to make 
"plugins" sort of. This would also be perfect for "content plugins", i.e to 
share actual content so the receiver can delete or modify freely after. I 
have some big ideas for this ;-) 

 

> I've really just discovered dictionary and JSON tiddlers, they open up new 
> possibilities in my mind. Is there a way of "sending" a tiddler into a JSON 
> tiddler? It seems like a natural step in a refactoring / editing process, 
> like the tiddler doesn't need to be chanaged anymore, but no need for "$:/" 
> prefixes. (I find plugin titles very difficult to read when they are 
> packaged)
>

Do you mean to convert a tiddler into json format? Interesting - but why? 
Is it to use it as a dictionary tiddler... but then what would that bring 
over using the usual field name:value pairs, i.e  for reference?

In some sense, Jeds Tiddler Bundle thing creates almost dictionary tiddlers.

<:-)

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[tw] Re: [TWC] Line breaks between consecutive sliders

I'd recommend using a

{{classWrapper{
content
}}}

and the appropriate styles in your StyleSheet tiddler.

Tobias

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[tw] Re: [TW5] Experience with PlantUML and TW5

No way! I finished a UML2.0 class just a month ago and was thinking that
UML would be a perfect thing to implement in TW. With the release of
Astrids wonderful Railroad diagrams, I recall @Jeremy explicitly saying
that he was very interested exploring TW as a "notational tool" (paraphrase
there). I'd agree that is extremely interesting - imagine musical notes for
example.

A thought; Couldn't this be made into an *edition*? (...which, which
probably Railroad should be too). This way it can be promoted as more of a
standalone tool with a particularly interesting and powerful UI for people
who search for UML tools. I believe it is valuable to make TW things that
are *not really about* TW into standalones that work as a potential gateway
(an appetizer !)
into TW. While the PlantUML community might not be huge (or?) it is on the
other hand very much the "kind" of people that would be valuable for the TW
project.

@Jeremy - any thoughts on this?

BTW, I was happy to note that discover PlantUML according to Wikipedia

apparently
is UML 2.0

@Tobias - forgive me if it is obvious but what does "*Render plantuml
diagrams **online*" mean? Can it not be used offline? Is it somehow
connected to the PlantUML servers?

@Anibal - also my thanks to your for your previous TW2 work on this!

<:-)

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[tw] Re: Sorting a list of tiddlers by the output of a macro contained in a field