date:20181018

I know this answer is less that complete, but TiddlyWiki has no competitor 
in my mind that can deliver on the suit of possibilities it can deliver, 
however only an elite group know this.

As raised before its competitors are any application or service that 
delivers a subset of what tiddlywiki can do, and since tiddlywiki can do a 
lot it has a lot of competitors, even if their solutions do not go as far.

I believe various tiddlywiki solutions need to be available to compete in 
many different fields.

Regards
Tony

On Friday, October 19, 2018 at 2:27:38 AM UTC+11, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> When you, experienced people, look at the rivals to TiddlyWiki ... what 
> would you say they were?
>
> It can be as loose as you like. I'm simply trying to better understand 
> TiddlyWiki's main market sector.
>
> Josiah
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[tw5] Re: Passing variable to link widget?

Ivan.

When writing your own "button" you can make it do anything. You could have 
a macro you call with a tiddler name that would provide a link if it exists 
and a button to create it if it does not. If the at button is given a class 
of  class="tc-btn-invisible tc-tiddlylink" it will look like a link. If you 
use the $macrocall widget to call your macro you can provide the tiddler 
name from another macro or transclusion.

I don't have time to give you a finished solution right now.

Regards

Tony



On Thursday, October 18, 2018 at 11:53:21 PM UTC+11, Ivan Aparicio wrote:
>
> Thanks Tony,
>
> Is the heads up for backwards compatibility? The reason I would like to 
> use the link method, is because if the tiddler already exists, I would like 
> to link to it, and if it doesn't yet, I would like to be able to create it.
>
> Is that an option with the new tiddler button?
>
> On Thursday, October 18, 2018 at 12:40:00 PM UTC+1, TonyM wrote:
>>
>> Ivan,
>>
>> It is nice we can create tiddlers from non existent tiddlers named in 
>> links.
>>
>> You may however look to creating tiddlers in the future with custom new 
>> tiddler buttons so you can set fields, choose to create but not navigate, 
>> add fields and tags or use template tiddlers.
>>
>> Just a little heads up
>>
>> Tony
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: Query -- Who is the competition?

2018-10-18 Thread h0p3

Flexible text editors are major competitors. Emacs and vim ecosystems are 
solid examples. These are the only kinds of tools that ever force me to 
question whether or not I should move away from Tiddlywiki, especially when 
going the nodejs route. Tiddlywiki competes with these text editors in 
attempting to mimic or overlay an operating system; they are that powerful. 
We still don't know how WASM is going to change the web 
(https://github.com/rhysd/vim.wasm), but these competitors may become even 
stronger. TW is not as performant, CLI-oriented and connectable, or 
flexible in many contexts, and it doesn't have decades of maturity 
(software older than I am which is still chosen to be used today must be 
incredibly fit). TW tends to be more unified, portable (in some respects), 
visually appealing; more importantly, it comes batteries-loaded alongside a 
radically better learning curve.

I suppose I use Tiddlywiki as primarily just-a-bunch-of-linked-textfiles 
with reasonable media interaction, sexy markup, sane defaults, low-hanging 
fruit plugins, and some automated sprankles on top. In a way, the more 
backend programmatic I want to be, the less I want to use Tiddlywiki. 
Often, when I feel the need to leverage the enormous commandline ecosystems 
available, I think it makes sense to just avoid the browser (though 
terminal emulators work fine enough in the browser) which inconveniently 
bottlenecks me with a VM that has to be bypassed.

That said, I'm a hardcore fanboi, and it seems crazy to me that most people 
don't use TW. When I am a Tiddlywiki Apostle to my friends and family, I've 
often found they think it's too much work and it lacks the name 
recognition/network effect for them to take the risk of committing 
themselves to it. Tiddlywiki seems born for those who want to be able to 
own their tooling, data, and personal clouds. Most people don't care (I'm 
not claiming that is justified). In a way, the real competition that 
prevents TW uptake are specialized tools like Evernote which are so 
convenient; it takes 2-3 clicks to be sitting in a living-breathing 
driver's seat.

TW competes with the sledgehammer generalists (like emacs and vim) which 
are borderline operating systems unto themselves, and thus it also able to 
compete with many specialists because it can be tailored so effectively.On 
Thursday, October 18, 2018 at 11:27:38 AM UTC-4, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> When you, experienced people, look at the rivals to TiddlyWiki ... what 
> would you say they were?
>
> It can be as loose as you like. I'm simply trying to better understand 
> TiddlyWiki's main market sector.
>
> Josiah
>

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[tw5] Re: Query -- Why is "Style by Tag" Deprecated?

2018-10-18 Thread Mat

@TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
>
> IMO the cascade in TW can get quite complex to figure out if you hit a 
> problem. Part of that is slack practice--i.e. overdoing add-on styling via 
> too many tiddlers rather than adding to a "mother" sheet where you can 
> better control it.
>

IMO, a single monolithic mother stylesheet goes against all that TW stands 
for and we should go in the exact opposite direction; We should split up 
the current theme(?) stylesheets into meaningful chunks - BUT then use the 
usual filter techniques to assemble them into some kind of overviewable 
aggregation that also sets the cascading order of them.

(Crazy idea: Maybe tiddlers could themselves be style definitions? The 
title is the selector and the text is the declarations. Maybe fields for 
sub selectors. This way it'd be very simple to reuse declarations. And it 
would be super simple to try out stuff; just overwrite such shadow style 
tids and delete if you regret. And we could tag styles or add other meta 
data.)

IMO, CSS hackability is one of the weaker areas in TW if you consider that 
hackability is a main objective and how powerful CSS is in TW.

<:-)

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[tw5] Static References and Dynamic List-Links

2018-10-18 Thread h0p3

How can I automatically insert/replace the results of <> as a hard, static list of links into the tiddler 
generating it?

Maybe that's a bad question or wrong-headed. I'm trying to transition from 
creating links and new tiddlers by hand to using "Create a new journal 
tiddler tagged with this one" or http://maketid.tiddlyspot.com/ for custom 
tiddler creation. It is convenient to be able to use: <> instead of entering links by hand, and I think I can 
programmatically build other kinds of lists that I would otherwise build by 
hand too. 

Feel free to call me a stubborn luddite or heathen, but I strongly value 
static content in my wiki. I resist dynamic content as much as I can 
knowing that much of what I use and love about my wiki is programmatically 
generated on the fly (I greedily want to have my semi-static cake and 
semi-dynamically eat it too). At the moment, you can legitimately read the 
vast majority of my wiki from its source code using ctrl+f without much 
hassle, and I think that is agnostically a good thing. I like having static 
links in my tiddlers because they are performant in my browser and directly 
parseable outside of the browser.

Further, static links enable References. Making connections in my wiki is 
half the reason I use my wiki, and the reference information tool allows me 
to recognize one the key ways my tiddlers are actually related to each 
other (via linking) from an individual tiddler's point of view. Given the 
number of tiddlers I'm working with (~6.5k), references are crucial to 
reasoning about where something belongs and how it relates to other things. 
Unfortunately, I've not found a way to make something dynamic, e.g. 
list-links, function with references (perhaps I'm missing something 
obvious). If a tiddler P generates a list-link that will include tiddler Q, 
I can't seem to know from tiddler Q's reference info that P (dynamically) 
links to Q. To my understanding, to build a reference tool that would show 
me this connection would require recursively generating all dynamic content 
in the wiki on the fly (ain't nobody got time fo' dat). To my eyes, links 
in the body of a tiddler function as lightweight tags for reference. 
Perhaps this is a problem best solved through fields. I do not know.

I think my goal needs to be to update the static contents of my tiddlers 
from its dynamically generated content. I'm fine with this update occurring 
only upon rendering it, though it would be really cool to find a way to 
have a nightly button I could push to automatically run those updates too. 
>From what I can see, this solves my reference problem while allowing 
automated tiddler creation and listing.

What do you think? How do you solve this kind of problem?

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[tw5] different font sizes for different tiddlers

2018-10-18 Thread Captain Packers

Is it possible to implement the use of different font sizes for tiddler 
content based on a tag or a table of content? I'm trying to create a 
tiddlywiki to document a software solution but also create presentation 
slides that need to use a much larger font. It would be really slick to be 
able to build two different tables of content and then have a stylesheet 
applied based on which table of content the tiddler was launched from. Then 
the same tiddler could be part of a document (with normal sized font) or 
part of a presentation (with huge font). Also, tiddlers could be built 
specifically for one or the other presentation mode (document vs. 
presentation).

Thanks

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[tw5] Query -- Who is the competition?

When you, experienced people, look at the rivals to TiddlyWiki ... what 
would you say they were?

It can be as loose as you like. I'm simply trying to better understand 
TiddlyWiki's main market sector.

Josiah

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[tw5] free host with ability to add a Google Domains domain, secure https pw?

2018-10-18 Thread John Benjamin

I need a free way to host TW5, editable in browser and uploaded with 
tiddlyspot saver plugin, but secure password https, and I need a way to do 
it freely. Any ideas? With Github pages you have to use a different editor 
than edit directly as website. TiddlySpot doesn't have custom domain adding 
support of Google Domains and no secure password. Please help find a way to 
do it freely.

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.1.0 Actually Garlic Bagels prerelease

I'm getting the point that...

 *Jed Carty Rules My Software*.

One can hardly keep up with your rate of innovation! :-)

Josiah

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[tw5] Re: Query -- Why is "Style by Tag" Deprecated?

Mat

I seen that issue you raised on GitHub. Its good what its covers. 

IMO the cascade in TW can get quite complex to figure out if you hit a 
problem. Part of that is slack practice--i.e. overdoing add-on styling via 
too many tiddlers rather than adding to a "mother" sheet where you can 
better control it. Part of that issue TW invites as its very liberal. 

IMO some kind of overview could be helpful. On "Vanilla" and its cousins 
workings in particular.

I really like Thomas Elmiger's BRICKS plugin as it gets to CSS ground zero 
in a way that I find illuminating.

Best wishes
Josiah
 

> @TiddlyTweeter wrote...
>>
>>  
>>
> So, my question, is: do the new methods improve the situation with 
>> cascades?
>>
>
> Mat replied ... 

> I'd say the new definition "format" (i.e [data-...] ) doesn't change the 
> *specificity* from tc-tagged so the priority is not changed. But, as you 
> know, cascading means that the last run style definition "wins". Which one 
> is last is not up to the individual definition but instead the order in 
> which they are defined in the stylesheed AND the order in which the 
> stylesheets are processed. That latter aspect is problematic which is why I 
> raised this issue .
>
> <:-)
>

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[tw5] Re: Using fields from upper tiddlers in multi nested tranclusion

2018-10-18 Thread Andrés Pérez

I am aware, yeah. I know that the way I defined the transclusions in Arthur 
imply currentTiddler and that by transcluding Arthur as a template I am 
sucking at explaining myself.

I essentially want Arthur to use Ford's value without having to have Arthur 
explicitly call out Ford. I need Arthur to remain agnostic of any tiddlers 
which might use it as a template.

On Thursday, October 18, 2018 at 7:50:24 AM UTC-4, TonyM wrote:
>
> Thats the type of example I could use. Before delving in deeply are you 
> aware of the fact you can access a field in another tiddler, transcluded, 
> in a template or any tiddler by giving both tiddlername!!fieldname eg 
>
> {{tiddlername!!fieldname}}
>
> In filters 
> {tiddlername!!fieldname}
>
> And in some widgets or macros with tiddler=tiddlername
> Field=fieldname
>
> These could be fixed litteral names or ones derived from a macro.
>
> Do you see what I am saying?
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Using fields from upper tiddlers in multi nested tranclusion

2018-10-18 Thread Andrés Pérez

Sure. I thought I had but I can always use more words!

I want to know if it's possible to define a template tiddler which is 
essentially an overload of another template tiddler to set default values.

I wound up doing it as a macro and have attached a sample TW with both 
attempts. I was just curious to see how far I can take - ... well, abuse - 
the wikitext transclusion functionality :)

On Thursday, October 18, 2018 at 7:17:26 AM UTC-4, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> I think that you need to describe the desired logic behind the display, 
> not just an example.
>

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[tw5] Re: Query -- Why is "Style by Tag" Deprecated?

2018-10-18 Thread Mat

@TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
>  
>
So, my question, is: do the new methods improve the situation with cascades?
>

I'd say the new definition "format" (i.e [data-...] ) doesn't change the 
*specificity* from tc-tagged so the priority is not changed. But, as you 
know, cascading means that the last run style definition "wins". Which one 
is last is not up to the individual definition but instead the order in 
which they are defined in the stylesheed AND the order in which the 
stylesheets are processed. That latter aspect is problematic which is why I 
raised this issue .

<:-)

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[tw5] Re: [Opinion] Lack Of Fanfare Is Not Good

There is no Marketing Department yet. Unfortunately.

Early thought: One thing that could be networked more is TW is a Superior 
Wiki. It does many things other wikis do not. Yet most of the "wiki world" 
has no idea since we hardly explain innovation to ourselves.

Lost Admin wrote:
>
> The marketing department is falling down on their job. Every change should 
> include a press release sent to all the major tech reporting websites and 
> the New York Times. 
>

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[tw5] Re: [Opinion] Lack Of Fanfare Is Not Good

FYI, "Community" is maintained but the issue is that individual makers of 
stuff don't sign up to Erwan's aggregator that creates it so it LOOKS out 
of date. Likely because they have no idea its exists or know how to 
sign-up. Which is part of the same problem.

bimlas wrote:
>
> There are some "news" about the plugins on 
> https://tiddlywiki.com/#Community which is on the bottom of the welcome 
> page, but this is not maintained as I see. I think this would be the best 
> place for "fanfares", but it should be updated more recently (maybe it 
> could be automated: merging a GitHub pull request which is labeled with 
> "feature" could create a new entry in the list).
>

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[tw5] Re: [Opinion] Lack Of Fanfare Is Not Good

I agree with you. There is a release list 
on https://tiddlywiki.com/#Releases which contains the changes, but you 
have to search for it - it's not shown on the site by default.

There are some "news" about the plugins 
on https://tiddlywiki.com/#Community which is on the bottom of the welcome 
page, but this is not maintained as I see. I think this would be the best 
place for "fanfares", but it should be updated more recently (maybe it 
could be automated: merging a GitHub pull request which is labeled with 
"feature" could create a new entry in the list).

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[tw5] Re: [Opinion] Lack Of Fanfare Is Not Good

2018-10-18 Thread Lost Admin


On Thursday, October 18, 2018 at 8:15:42 AM UTC-4, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:
>
> Mark S., in another thread commented about releases ...
>  
>
>> It just feels like there should be a little more fanfare (maybe a thread 
>> announcement) when major changes are deployed. 
>
>
> I agree.
>
> We lack a Marketing Department or Deeper Briefings. 
>
> IMO we entirely undersell TW and its huge ability. I mean, even us using 
> it often hardly notice major innovation. How is a new user to understand 
> its flexi-evolution? 
>
> There is no *flag waving*. I think it would help at lot, both current and 
> potential new users if there were.
>
> Just thoughts
> Josiah
>

The marketing department is falling down on their job. Every change should 
include a press release sent to all the major tech reporting websites and 
the New York Times.
 

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[tw5] Re: Passing variable to link widget?

2018-10-18 Thread Ivan Aparicio

Thanks Tony,

Is the heads up for backwards compatibility? The reason I would like to use 
the link method, is because if the tiddler already exists, I would like to 
link to it, and if it doesn't yet, I would like to be able to create it.

Is that an option with the new tiddler button?

On Thursday, October 18, 2018 at 12:40:00 PM UTC+1, TonyM wrote:
>
> Ivan,
>
> It is nice we can create tiddlers from non existent tiddlers named in 
> links.
>
> You may however look to creating tiddlers in the future with custom new 
> tiddler buttons so you can set fields, choose to create but not navigate, 
> add fields and tags or use template tiddlers.
>
> Just a little heads up
>
> Tony
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Some Bob Editions cause the WS-Server to disconnect.

2018-10-18 Thread agedlace

@TonyM 

OH - I like that suggestion too  Sorry I misunderstood!  Thank you 
again for your input!  Very much appreciated ... it helps give me options 
that I wouldn't normally come up with on my own!

@Jed Carty

NOT a problem!  I am just relieved to discover it isn't something I'm doing 
causing the issues.  I'll play around with @TonyM's ideas ... I have read 
ALL of the TW documentation and have spent days looking at all the various 
examples ... most of which were totally way over my comprehension level at 
first, but the more I use TW and become familiar with it, I am hoping my 
comprehension level will rise proportionately.  I have been saving lots of 
people's online wikis as demos, too.

Right now, the one I found last is the one I am most interested in 
experimenting with now that I have my base Wiki set up under Bob, i.e. the 
W3.CSSFramework edition.  I just wanted to experiment with the other 
Editions first.  Each one starts giving me a whole new list of options and 
ways of using TW5 that I hadn't thought of already.  

Thank you again for even creating these applications!  Very much 
appreciated!

On Thursday, October 18, 2018 at 7:34:54 AM UTC-4, TonyM wrote:
>
> My suggestion was to download the edition you want, create an empty bob 
> wiki and use the in wiki import to import all the tiddlers in the edition 
> you want. Save and reload and see if that breaks bob server.
>
> This may or may not get arround the problem jed is aware of.
>
> Tony
>
>

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.1.0 Actually Garlic Bagels prerelease

My first thought is that my UI isn't very good. If I remember correctly the
list in the dropdown only shows plugins that are in the wiki but aren't
listed as being on the server but doesn't check the versions. So I believe
that your initial assessment is correct. I made it so that the part that
sends the plugins to the server checks version numbers but I probably
didn't put that on the UI component.

So it is an oversight on my part. Until I get around to finding a way to
fix that you could manually send the updated plugin to the server by making
a copy of the button that has the plugin explicitly listed.

The button code would be something like this (changed the plugin name to
match):

<$button> Save Plugin to Server
<$action-websocketmessage $type='savePluginFolder'
pluginName='$:/plugins/Your/Plugin'/>

there may be another bug in how the plugins are saved, if you remove a file
from the plugin it may not be properly removed on the server. So back up
your data!

I need to find out how to solve that in a way that doesn't make it easy to
accidentally delete plugins from the server.

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.1.0 Actually Garlic Bagels prerelease

2018-10-18 Thread Matthew Lauber

Ok, so how I'm using Bob is that in the root wiki I'm making all my changes 
to my plugin via tinka, and then I'm using Bob's plugin saving feature to 
share it with all my other wikis.  So, steps to reproduce.

1) Import a plugin into the root wiki for the first time.
2) Save it using the "Manage Plugins" section of Bob Settings.  (It shows 
up in the drop down next to Save Plugin as Folder)
3) Import it to other wikis as needed via the "Manage Plugins" section of 
Bob Settings in the other wikis.  
4) Update the plugin in the Root wiki, and repackage via tinka with a 
different/higher version number.  
5) ??? The plugin does not show up in the drop down box of "Manage Plugins" 
and my other wikis are not showing the changes I made to the plugin.  

Other information that may be useful. I imported the plugin in the root 
wiki, but I'm not selecting it in the "Save Plugin Selection" of the root 
wiki.

If there's anything else I can add to help, let me know.  

Thanks, Matt

On Thursday, October 18, 2018 at 5:11:31 AM UTC-4, Jed Carty wrote:
>
> I think I need more information because I am not sure what you are 
> referring to here.
>
> If you are trying to save a plugin to the server as part of the plugin 
> server should check the plugin version number and if the plugin you are 
> trying to save exists on the server with a newer version than it won't save 
> it, but never plugin versions should save fine.
>
> I suspect that you imported the plugin into your wiki using drag and drop 
> and then didn't delete the plugin tiddler after saving it to the server. 
> Plugin tiddlers in your wiki always override plugins listed in 
> tiddlywiki.info.
>
> If that is not the case than I need more information before I can say 
> anything useful.
>

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[tw5] [Opinion] Lack Of Fanfare Is Not Good

Mark S., in another thread commented about releases ...
 

> It just feels like there should be a little more fanfare (maybe a thread 
> announcement) when major changes are deployed. 


I agree.

We lack a Marketing Department or Deeper Briefings. 

IMO we entirely undersell TW and its huge ability. I mean, even us using it 
often hardly notice major innovation. How is a new user to understand its 
flexi-evolution? 

There is no *flag waving*. I think it would help at lot, both current and 
potential new users if there were.

Just thoughts
Josiah

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[tw5] Re: Hierarchic tag search?

Done with the compatibility check: "getFieldList" is present only in 
prerelease, thus this filter operartor works only on that. :(

Behaviour in a nutshell: if the connection check is based on "list" field 
for example, then the "list" has to be parsed first to make an array from 
it - by default it's just a string, thus I cannot check that "second" is in 
"first second third". This functionality is present only in prerelease 
(converting field to array). 

I could modify the operator to check that field text equals exactly to a 
tiddler name, but in this case it would not find "Features" in the "list" 
field of "TableOfContents" -> it would be ineffecient.

What's the "release cycle" of Tiddly? The prerelease when will be released? 
A week/month/year?

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[tw5] Re: Using fields from upper tiddlers in multi nested tranclusion

Thats the type of example I could use. Before delving in deeply are you aware 
of the fact you can access a field in another tiddler, transcluded, in a 
template or any tiddler by giving both tiddlername!!fieldname eg 

{{tiddlername!!fieldname}}

In filters 
{tiddlername!!fieldname}

And in some widgets or macros with tiddler=tiddlername
Field=fieldname

These could be fixed litteral names or ones derived from a macro.

Do you see what I am saying?

Regards
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[tw5] Re: Passing variable to link widget?

Ivan,

It is nice we can create tiddlers from non existent tiddlers named in links.

You may however look to creating tiddlers in the future with custom new tiddler 
buttons so you can set fields, choose to create but not navigate, add fields 
and tags or use template tiddlers.

Just a little heads up

Tony

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[tw5] Re: Query -- Why is "Style by Tag" Deprecated?


Thanks PMario

NOW I really better understand it.

Next Question: Are there *other advantages* in the new method(s)?

I discovered, by trial and error, that the cascade in TW CSS is not always 
easy to fathom. I'm reluctant to use imperatives (i.e. ! or prefix "body") 
unless needed. Once I know the cascade order that issue disappears.

So, my question, is: do the new methods improve the situation with cascades?

Best wishes
Josiah

PMario wrote:
>
> The most important reason is this: 
>
> At tag: Doctor Who creates a class name: tc-tagged-Doctor%20Who
>
> The CSS setting needed is: tc-tagged-Doctor\%20Who
>
> English is relatively simple to fix. ... But other character sets produce 
> class names like this: 
> tc-tagged-%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9
>
> I think this is error prone and broken. It should be completely removed in 
> a future version. 
>

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[tw5] Re: Some Bob Editions cause the WS-Server to disconnect.

My suggestion was to download the edition you want, create an empty bob wiki 
and use the in wiki import to import all the tiddlers in the edition you want. 
Save and reload and see if that breaks bob server.

This may or may not get arround the problem jed is aware of.

Tony

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] TimerActions Plugin - trigger action widgets based on different timers

Thanks for that Jed

Cool stuff you make

Tony

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[tw5] Re: Bob for Dummies?

Jed,

I would also add opening other wikis on demand is more practical with bob since 
it allows multi access or multiuser with change syncronisation. This mean 
accidently working on another tab or browser with the same wiki is not a 
problem.

Also as I have pointed out before large or lots of wikis can be loaded if you 
have enough ram, if you increase your browsers allowed maximum ram a setting 
that can be found in at least ff and chrome.

Long live tiddlywiki and bob
Tony

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[tw5] Re: Using fields from upper tiddlers in multi nested tranclusion

If I'm right, you want to "evaulate" Arthur in Ford (so "dolphins" field 
will be set to "fish"), then "push up" this to Zaphod (to set "mice" field 
to "pan-galactic").

Can you please share this example wiki with us to let us find a way to 
solve your problem, please?

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[tw5] Re: Hierarchic tag search?

Bimlas,

That look realy cool, I wish I could write filter operators.

You do some advanced stuff in this community.

I will try it out in time. Im travling interstate for a few days. It sounds 
like a great tool for heirachies and geneological trees.

I think you may know this but just in case and for other readers,

In the filter examples I gave the OR was given by a list of tag filters 
surrounded with [ ] and seperated by spaces, the AND opperation is when you 
dont have spaces between them resulting in less brackets.

[is[current]tag[tag1]tag[tag2]!tag[tag3]]

Noting of course in this I am saying 

The current tiddler has the tag tag1 And the tag2 And not the tag3

REGARDS
Tony

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[tw5] Re: Using fields from upper tiddlers in multi nested tranclusion

I think that you need to describe the desired logic behind the display, not 
just an example.

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[tw5] Re: Initial Query -- EXIF data extraction from images?

Thanks PMario & Mark S.

Very useful thread for me. Very clarifying.

Mark S.

> I too am puzzled why you would need/want the TW file to be nearly empty. 
>>
>
PMario...

> I think, that's obvious. All the image related data can be stored and 
> distributed with the image. TiddlyWiki is "just" the app, that lets you 
> have a nice presentation of this data. ... I do like the idea. 
>

I do think there is merit is using TW as a minimalist "shell" for some 
uses. I think this is an example where it could be appropriate.

My starting idea was that I want the image meta-data handing to be done 
dynamically via a plugin. Partly this was, as PMario, you understood, so I 
can concentrate in the TW on getting the visual presentation right. It 
really is not necessary that you have 4,000 individual tiddlers. What could 
be good is when a specific dynamically shown image is interesting you can 
favourite it and in that case create a tiddler for it.

My main technical issue is I can't program Javascript. I maybe could work 
out, with a bit of help, porting some JS based EXIF extractor IF I knew it 
were not in conflict with TW's way of working. There are several. I look at 
them a bit more and see where I get.

Where I am: Two possible routes: minimal image data extracted to TW; or, 
plugin based dynamic EXIF extraction.

Both look workable.

Thanks
Josiah

On Thursday, 18 October 2018 12:10:01 UTC+2, PMario wrote:
>
> On Thursday, October 18, 2018 at 4:52:12 AM UTC+2, Mark S. wrote:
>>
>> Sure enough, you can find one with the first google search (called, 
>> surprisingly, EXIF.js).
>>
>
> IMO exif.js contains all the functionality, that is needed to extract the 
> different values. 
>
> One problem I see is, that the value description is hard-coded english 
> language. For a TW plugin, we would want that to be translatable. 
>  
>
>> But it wants as input an image element from the DOM. Can you get that in 
>> TW ?
>>
>
> That's a point. Especially, since TW uses the DOM src-element if an image 
> is imported with _cannonical_uri. .. This means: all the work is done by 
> the browser, when it shows the image. TW does almost nothing with the image 
> data. ... So we would need a way, to extract the exif data, after the 
> browser did load / show the image. 
>  
>
>> I too am puzzled why you would need/want the TW file to be nearly empty. 
>>
>
> I think, that's obvious. All the image related data can be stored and 
> distributed with the image. TiddlyWiki is "just" the app, that lets you 
> have a nice presentation of this data. ... I do like the idea. 
>

>  
>
>> The information is not going to be searchable , if that is a goal, unless 
>> it is loaded in the TW.
>>
>
> That's right. 
>
> -m
>

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[tw5] Re: Initial Query -- EXIF data extraction from images?

Thanks TonyM & Mark S. for prod to extract some EXIF data to the TW.

My focus, I think, simply comes from work on photographs Adobe Lightroom. 
It uses embedded data directly to organise its entire non-destructive 
editing system. 

So part of it is a kind of mindset *I* have about EXIF outside TW. Why 
bother importing it?

On reflection, for the use case, you may be right in that it may be better 
to have the basic EXIF data in the TW. There could also be some benefits 
for the user--like being able to export all the meta data without the end 
user needing specialised software to do so.

FWIW, I'm now thinking of extracting all the needed metadata into a single 
data-tiddler, with each line an array for each image and with the child 
painter's details, i.e.: *Image-File-Number: Name, Age, School, Gender, 
Year.*

I'll give it a go and see.

Thanks, Josiah

Mark S. wrote:
>
> I too am puzzled why you would need/want the TW file to be nearly empty. 
> The information is not going to be searchable , if that is a goal, unless 
> it is loaded in the TW.
>

TonyM wrote:

> In your case the import exif data may not be such a chore or excessive 
> space as you think. Say you had 1KB of exif data per image and 4000 images 
> this is only 4MB which is acceptable for a single function tiddlywiki 
>

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[tw5] Re: Initial Query -- EXIF data extraction from images?

On Thursday, October 18, 2018 at 4:52:12 AM UTC+2, Mark S. wrote:
>
> Sure enough, you can find one with the first google search (called, 
> surprisingly, EXIF.js).
>

IMO exif.js contains all the functionality, that is needed to extract the 
different values. 

One problem I see is, that the value description is hard-coded english 
language. For a TW plugin, we would want that to be translatable. 

> But it wants as input an image element from the DOM. Can you get that in 
> TW ?
>

That's a point. Especially, since TW uses the DOM src-element if an image 
is imported with _cannonical_uri. .. This means: all the work is done by 
the browser, when it shows the image. TW does almost nothing with the image 
data. ... So we would need a way, to extract the exif data, after the 
browser did load / show the image. 

> I too am puzzled why you would need/want the TW file to be nearly empty. 
>

I think, that's obvious. All the image related data can be stored and 
distributed with the image. TiddlyWiki is "just" the app, that lets you 
have a nice presentation of this data. ... I do like the idea. 

> The information is not going to be searchable , if that is a goal, unless 
> it is loaded in the TW.
>

That's right. 

-m

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[tw5] Re: Passing variable to link widget?

2018-10-18 Thread Ivan Aparicio

Hi Mario,

You're right, sorry it was a transcription typo. I've corrected it now. 
Thanks


On Thursday, October 18, 2018 at 9:32:38 AM UTC+1, PMario wrote:
>
> modified
>
> On Thursday, October 18, 2018 at 10:30:04 AM UTC+2, PMario wrote:
>>
>> hi 
>>
>> imo you missed the quotes and a space. see: 
>> https://tiddlywiki.com/#SetWidget
>>
>> <$set name="tiddler-title" value={!!title}}>
>>
>> -m
>>
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[tw5] Re: Some Bob Editions cause the WS-Server to disconnect.

I am glad that you like Bob and this isn't caused by you doing anything 
wrong, it is a known bug. I am just bad at keeping the issues on GitHub up 
to date.

Some editions have other wikis included in them and this breaks things for 
Bob. Although I thought I had fixed the part where it would cause problems 
other than a terminal message at the output.

So far I know that the various tw.com versions break but I don't know which 
others. The list of available editions is generated automatically from what 
is available on the computer so they are included in the list. Eventually I 
will get around to filtering the list to something more useful but I 
haven't yet.

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] TimerActions Plugin - trigger action widgets based on different timers

You can start timers from your own code by setting the value for the task 
name in $:/plugins/OokTech/TimerActions/TaskList as anything other than 
false. You can manually create tasks by creating a tiddler with the fields 
listed in the Internals section of the readme and list the timer in the 
$:/plugins/OokTech/TimerActions/TaskList tiddler.

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[tw5] Re: Bob for Dummies?

Dave, and anyone else worried about memory usage:

Bob only has one node process running. The node process itself is where
most of the memory is used and adding additional wikis require very little
extra memory. Running 10 wikis using Bob uses much less memory and
processing power than running 10 wikis normally.
If you can serve one wiki with Bob you can probably serve 10 without
trouble. I have a raspberry pi, which is lower power than most
smartphones, and I have it running Bob serving 15 or 20 wikis with a lot of
media without any trouble.

If you do run into memory problems it is almost certainly due to the size
of the wiki (the number of tiddlers, the size of tiddlers, embedded media,
etc.) but having the same amount of content split across multiple wikis
would not cause any noticeable increase in memory usage. In fact having
multiple wikis could be a lot better because only the wikis you are using
are loaded.

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[tw5] Re: Hierarchic tag search?

Forgot to mention how can you try it out:


   - Install Node.js: https://nodejs.org/
   - Download (or clone) https://github.com/Jermolene/TiddlyWiki5
   - Copy my script to core/modules/filters/kindred.js
   - In the root directory execute ./bin/serve.[cmd|sh]

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[tw5] Re: Hierarchic tag search?

Thanks for your effort!

I just made a filter operator (as TonyM suggested) to gather "family" of a 
tiddler, the "field of connection" can be set (defaults to "tags"):

[kindred:[]]

https://github.com/bimlas/TiddlyWiki5/blob/f5790f0973d8c46156cd6ad995491732cbc16b2f/core/modules/filters/kindred.js

The "base tiddler" is excluded from the list.

For example if I want to show tiddlers where "Drag and Drop" belongs to, I 
can use

[[Drag and Drop]kindred:up[]]


   - Features 
   - TableOfContents 
   - $:/tags/SideBar
   
Filter tiddlers belongs to "Drag and Drop" 

[[Drag and Drop]kindred:down[]]

   - DragAndDropMechanism
   
To get the whole "family":

[[Drag and Drop]kindred[]]

   - Features Features 
   - TableOfContents 
   - $:/tags/SideBar 
   - DragAndDropMechanism
   
It works on any field, for example "parent" (as PMario's ToCP works) or 
"list":

[[TableOfContents]kindred[list]]


   - HelloThere 
   - A Gentle Guide to TiddlyWiki 
   - Discover TiddlyWiki
   - ...
   - Encryption 
   - Customise TiddlyWiki 
   - Initial customisation
   - ...

Your solution works with "OR" condition (if I'm right), but I want to use 
"AND" when filtering to multiple tags. This operator should work in this 
way, but I don't know what's the problem: it's showing only the results of 
the second expression:

[[Filters]kindred[]] +[[Learning]kindred[]] 

I tried out with filtering tags, in that case it works as expected: it's 
showing only https://tiddlywiki.com/#Introduction%20to%20filter%20notation

[tag[Filters]] +[tag[Learning]]

PS.: I'm not strong in English, so please advise another name if it's odd: 
I looked for a word that describing the parents and the childs at once.

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] Bob and BobEXE version 1.1.0 Actually Garlic Bagels prerelease

I think I need more information because I am not sure what you are 
referring to here.

If you are trying to save a plugin to the server as part of the plugin 
server should check the plugin version number and if the plugin you are 
trying to save exists on the server with a newer version than it won't save 
it, but never plugin versions should save fine.

I suspect that you imported the plugin into your wiki using drag and drop 
and then didn't delete the plugin tiddler after saving it to the server. 
Plugin tiddlers in your wiki always override plugins listed in 
tiddlywiki.info.

If that is not the case than I need more information before I can say 
anything useful.

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[tw5] Re: Query -- Why is "Style by Tag" Deprecated?

Hi, 

The most important reason is this: 

At tag: Doctor Who creates a class name: tc-tagged-Doctor%20Who

The CSS setting needed is: tc-tagged-Doctor\%20Who

English is relatively simple to fix. ... But other character sets produce 
class names like this: 
tc-tagged-%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%BC%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9

I think this is error prone and broken. It should be completely removed in 
a future version. 

have fun!
mario

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[tw5] Re: Passing variable to link widget?

modified

On Thursday, October 18, 2018 at 10:30:04 AM UTC+2, PMario wrote:
>
> hi 
>
> imo you missed the quotes and a space. see: 
> https://tiddlywiki.com/#SetWidget
>
> <$set name="tiddler-title" value={!!title}}>
>
> -m
>

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[tw5] Re: Passing variable to link widget?