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tirsdag den 21. april 2020 kl. 13.09.05 UTC+2 skrev Peter Buyze:
>
> @Stef: nice one. So here's a simple question from a newbie: how do I use 
> your code? In other words, where do I put it? Should I make a new tiddler 
> with that code in the text box, or …… what else? Please explain.
>
>
>
> yes just put it in a tiddler, save it and press the button that you just 
made. then in any tiddler press the info button, press the edit tags tab 
and tag away. BUT (for me at least) it do not work any more in the new tw 
5.1.22 as mentioned.

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[tw5] Re: A Simple Way to Add the Tag Bar to the Tiddlerinfo Panel

I use this every day. so good. but it don´t work in the new tw 5.1.22 :(

can you update it ??

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Re: [tw5] Re: Many tags slow TW down?

Hi Tony

I am a long time converted zetteler. My wiki is also an tempt to follow the 
zettlekasten method. I see a lot of merit in the method so let me correct 
you. It is not about avoiding categories, the idea is to avoid forcing a 
structure of categories. Instead you to let the categories emerge from your 
associations and work with the notes. you don´t put your notes into a 
limiting structure of categories but you let the categories emerge from 
your notes.

tirsdag den 21. april 2020 kl. 12.07.40 UTC+2 skrev TonyM:
>
> Peter
>
> I followed your links 're zest...Ian and I think the idea to avoid 
> categories and other organising principals in favor of tags is wrong. I 
> could put the full argument but it would take time based on a long career 
> in IT. I plan to learn more.
>
> I will try and share some tools for using fields more in time. 
>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>

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[tw5] Re: Clip web page to TW?



tirsdag den 21. april 2020 kl. 11.54.10 UTC+2 skrev Chris Aldrich:
>
> Some of the methods in this thread didn't do quite what I had hoped (or 
> just didn't seem to work in the most recent version of TW5?). 
>
> Scott's was pretty close to workable for me. I made a version similar to 
> his and extended it a bit. While Scott's does a bookmark-like wiki link, 
> mine will allow you to highlight a part of a web page and then use the 
> bookmarklet to cut/paste to quickly import a tiddler with a blockquote of 
> the highlighted text and a pre-formatted link to the source.
>
> Details here: 
> http://tw.boffosocko.com/#Bookmarklet%20for%20pasting%20content%20into%20TiddlyWiki
>
>
This is quite nice. though the newline do not work form me in ff 

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[tw5] Re: An awesome website made with TiddlyWiki + TiddlyBlink



mandag den 13. april 2020 kl. 22.43.36 UTC+2 skrev Anne-Laure Le Cunff:
>
> I saw something in the source that made me think it was the case, and now 
> I can't find it for the life of me—probably because I was wrong! Thanks for 
> the correction! And yes emulating it is my current pet project :)
>
>
> Yes it is cool. 
You properly messed it up with TW in your mind because you read this 
thread  
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topicsearchin/tiddlywiki/authorname$3A%22hc$20haase%22/tiddlywiki/MXXCiHvv-U4

as Jeremy points out, 

I'd be pretty confident that he'd [the creator of the site] be aware of 
> TiddlyWiki, and hopefully learned from it.
>

looking forward to see what you create

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[tw5] Re: A Lovely Theme from Carlos

I really like the dark palette.. 
it would be nice to have it as a proper pallet. IMO the theme mess with to 
much, and a pallet would work with jd´s palette switcher button


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[tw5] Re: tag dropdown slowdown - solution/discussion



tirsdag den 21. april 2020 kl. 04.08.24 UTC+2 skrev TonyM:
>
> HC,
>
> I just read your last post again
>
> Yes I am aware. and the first click slowdown is the problem.
>
>
> Perhaps you did not get my hint - don't do the first click !
>
> Use the tab, to tab to the tag field and start typing the first list that 
> is presented will be reduced by the letter you typed.
>
> ah I see. thanks for clarifying. In the mean time  I have sued the 
solution of waiting for 3 characters. This works very well! and I can 
always bypass it by typing three spaces.  

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[tw5] Re: Freelinks hijacks external links



tirsdag den 21. april 2020 kl. 02.53.57 UTC+2 skrev TonyM:
>
> Folks,
>
> I consider free links to identify links you did not realise.
>

I agree this is exactly why freelinks is great!


> I doubt it would be easy but being able to click on a free link and 
> linkify it `[[Free link title link]]` so it remains a link after turning 
> off freelinks would be nice.
>
> I was thinking the same. This would be* the very best* of both 
solutions!! I want the link sugestions, but the choise of what to include

freelinks reminds me of daniellos autotag plugin. The idea was good. You 
wuld get tags of tiddler titiles mentiond in the text, alas there was no 
way to delete fals positives, so it was not very usefull.

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Re: [tw5] Freelinks hijacks external links

2020-04-20 Thread HC Haase



mandag den 20. april 2020 kl. 11.44.06 UTC+2 skrev Peter Buyze:
>
> PMario also mentioned a serious flaw: if your have a tiddler entitled say 
> "boat", then Freelinks will link every instance of the word "boat" in your 
> file to that one tiddler. And PMario is right.
>
>
> Yes that can also make problems. 

maybe a solution could be a escape character (like ~) to actively ignore 
linking, paired with a edit-panel button to input the escape character in 
front of selected text??

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[tw5] freelinks and relink??

2020-04-20 Thread HC Haase

The freelink  plugin is realy 
great and it has been a wish of mine for a long time. 

However, if you use the great Relink 
 plugin, and rely on all links to 
be renamed if you edit the title of a tiddler, alas there is a shortcoming. 
The freelink link is not a hard link and will not be edited by Relink. 

I wonder if re-link could support the freelink "links" somehow??

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[tw5] Freelinks hijacks external links

2020-04-20 Thread HC Haase

I am late to the party, but wow, freelinks is great!!


though, it seems that freelinks overrules the link if it is external and 
links to the tiddler with the same name as the pretty link. 


is this a bug, or is there a setting to deal with this?

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[tw5] Re: Trashbin plugin: New update with new features

2020-04-03 Thread HC Haase

I have updated my mod so it is compatible with the new v1.2.1 version of 
the trashbin plugin. the mod intergrate trashbin and the simple version 
plugin

https://hchaase.github.io/HC-Plugins/#Trashbin-mod 



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Re: [tw5] Re: A small Plugin for a dramatic login-screen.

2020-04-01 Thread HC Haase



> Could you maybe make version where you could let the user change 
> background and spalashscreen? That would be quite useful
>
> It is not so implement this because a splashcreen is involved, so we can't 
> easily transclude the content from a tiddler use the normal stylsheet. 
> Or is there a possibility to do this?
>
> I will make a small guide which  and classes to modify to get the 
> result you want. For example, if you do not want the skeuomorph curtain, 
> you can just remove the gradients from .left-panel and .right-panel and 
> replace it by a normal bg-color.
>
> Greetings Jan
>
> Thank you Jan
I appreciate you have made the small guide. I will have a look when I have 
time, and try to make a "corporate" friendly version :)


btw the site has a double icon and input field going on, I think it is 
because the icon tiddler is stil open in draft mode








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Re: [tw5] Re: A small Plugin for a dramatic login-screen.

2020-03-31 Thread HC Haase

This is cool. I like that you "lock" the wiki until you have entered a 
username. 
Could you maybe make version where you could let the user change background 
and spalashscreen? That would be quite useful

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[tw5] Re: Trashbin plugin: New update with new features

2020-03-30 Thread HC Haase

This is a very nice update. and thank for the flatering mentioning :) 

I have updated my mod so it is compatible with this version of the trashbin 
plugin. the mod intergrate trashbin and the simple version plugin

https://hchaase.github.io/HC-Plugins/#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Fkookma%2Ftrashbin%2Ftrashbin-mod%2Freadme


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[tw5] Re: Quick Share Icons and Colour Side bars (tools and a possible small project)

2020-03-27 Thread HC Haase

interesting.

have a look at the drop here plugin
http://mwiktowy.tiddlyspot.com/#DropHere

I have modified it a bit to work with the standard new-tiddler-here in the 
tiddler toolbar. So when I drop a tiddler link on the new-here icon, the 
draged tiddler get tagged with that tiddler. see attachment for mod.


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Description: application/json

[tw5] Re: [TW5] ReadOnlyCore - real read-only mode for tiddlywiki

2020-03-27 Thread HC Haase

Mohammad recently published an "author tool" in his utility plugin. This 
hides a lot of the user interface by ticking off a list (tiddler view 
toolbar, sidebar tabs, site toolbar etc) and is very handy to make a quick 
toggle of a "read only" public wiki. 

I think Mohammads plugin combined with yours will make a very powerful read 
only exporter.

true read only + customised UI for public

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] ReadOnlyCore - real read-only mode for tiddlywiki

2020-03-27 Thread HC Haase



torsdag den 26. marts 2020 kl. 11.25.38 UTC+1 skrev Jed Carty:
>
> HC Hasse,
>
> That is already possible. The widget that does the downloading is the same 
> as the download wiki widget used by bob. It has an attribute that lets you 
> set an exclude filter to exclude the tiddlers you don't want, and an 
> include filter to only include tiddlers returned by that filter. The 
> include works before the exclude so if you include everything with the tag 
> foo but then specifically list one of the tagged tiddlers in the exclude 
> filter it won't be in the resulting wiki.
>
> Adding an interface to make it easier wouldn't be hard, I will see about 
> adding it.
>
> very cool, tanks.

my problem was to get both the $:/core and a custom filter in a field, to 
be excluded. if I wrote the filter in the code, it worked, If I transcluded 
a field with the both my filter and thet $:/core, it worked, but if I had 
the $:/core in the code or other transcluded field, and a transcluded user 
field for a filter, i did not work.
I guess I am just not experienced enough with TW code.

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[tw5] Re: [TW5] ReadOnlyCore - real read-only mode for tiddlywiki

2020-03-26 Thread HC Haase

This is nice. 

I was thinking, that it could be useful to also exclude normal tiddlers 
with a filter. this way you could have a button to only export the tiddlers 
you want from your wiki, to a read only version ready to publish.


I tried hacking it together. it work when I hardcode the filter, but I 
can't get it to work with a field reference. 

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$__ReadOnlyCore_readme_exclude.json
Description: application/json

[tw5] Re: [plugin] TOC generic - shows toc,backlinks,list and listed up front

2020-03-23 Thread HC Haase



torsdag den 19. marts 2020 kl. 09.26.17 UTC+1 skrev ILYA Khlopotov:
>
> Hello, 
>
> The plugin is great. One problem I noticed it is not compatible with 
> comments plugin from standard library. Is there a quick hack I could use to 
> be able to use both?
>
> How? I tried it with the comment plugin now, and it worked fine. However, 
the comment section shows above the TOC section. If this is what's bother 
you, then you can change this by finding  a tiddler tagged  with 
$:/tags/ViewTemplate (e.g. $:/plugins/HCHaase/TOCgeneric/ViewTemplate) 
press the tagpill $:/tags/ViewTemplate and drag and drop the tiddler 
$:/plugins/tiddlywiki/comments/footer-view-template-segment below the 
$:/plugins/HCHaase/TOCgeneric/ViewTemplate


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[tw5] Re: TW-Scripts Monthly update

2020-03-11 Thread HC Haase

is my android advice something for the scripts??

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/TiddlyWiki/FZhpM9Jkxhc


tirsdag den 10. marts 2020 kl. 07.22.34 UTC+1 skrev Mohammad:
>
> This is a monthly update of TW-Scripts.
>
>
> Demo: https://kookma.github.io/TW-Scripts/
> Code:  https://github.com/kookma/TW-Scripts
>
>
> If you like it star it at https://github.com/kookma/TW-Scripts
>
>
> --Mohammad
>

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[tw5] [macro] presenting new icon macro (for icons in text)

2020-03-11 Thread HC Haase

First off. This is not mine. I found it by chance, on Bimlas' page. so 
credit to him.


I have made some documentation and added an extended version.

demo/download: https://hchaase.github.io/HC-Plugins/#macro%2Ficon


   - *Version*: 1.0.0
   - *Date*: 2020/02/27
   - *Creator*: HC Haase. Inspired by Bimlas 
   <https://bimlas.gitlab.io/tw5-locator/#%24%3A%2Fbimlas%2Fmacros%2Ficon>.

Function

This macro make transcluded icons follow the line height of the text with 
the option of a link and a tooltip. This makes prettier references to 
buttons (instead of this ) in documentation text.

There is a* simple macro* without a button and an *extended macro* with a 
button.
UseSyntax, simple macro (note the _)<<_icon  >>Syntax, 
extended macro<  "" >>
Example<>

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[tw5] Re: [TW5][Plugin] Announcing TOC Counting

2020-03-11 Thread HC Haase

*Announcement*: TOC counting v 2.2 Big update
*Date*: 2020/03/11
*Release*: 2.2.0

Demo and download: 
https://hchaase.github.io/HC-Plugins/#TOC_Counting%20Introduction

OK this is a big update, I am really satisfied now, except for one issue. 

I am happy that

I have implemented what others asked for:

   - integration with bimlas locator plugin
   - integration with P marios tocP plugin


I have done what I wanted in the roadmap

   - added the counting in lists
   - counting of tiddlers in all sub-levels (see warning)


added new cool stuff


   - counting of both tagged and backlinks (toggable)
   - a nicer toggle button in the page toolbar

warning: I am not so happy that 

   - when counting all sub-leves with the kin filter it is very slow
   - performance is not great (added toggle off button)

I hope you will enjoy it

2.2.0

   - [new] added counting for all sub-levels of tags (kin- filter). 
   WARNING: this is very slow.
   - [new] added button in page toolbar with 3 modes. 1level count/all 
   level count/turn off
   - [new] added count of links or tag/links (and tag). toggle by pressing 
   the number (3 views)
   - [new] added support for list-links, list-links-draggable and 
   list-tag-draggable
   - [new] moved code to a macro that is used in the plugin, and can be 
   used with the syntax <> (not used in tocp)
   - [fix] removed counting of 0 zero in the locator and tocp plugins
   - [fix] removed the double "tags" tab form the sidebar. 
   $:/plugins/HCHaase/toc_counting/more/tag_org still had sidebar tag. 

2.1.0

   - [fix] removed 
   $:/plugins/HCHaase/toc_counting/bimlas/locator/field-templates/link_org 
   from templates in the locator plugin (removed tag)
   - [documentation] clarity: change caption of 
$:/plugins/HCHaase/toc_counting/bimlas/locator/field-templates/link_count 
   to Link (with counter)
   - [documentation] clarity: added description field to tiddlers, 
   describing there function
   - [documentation] added reference to the locator plugin settings
   - [new] added count for P Marios tocP 
    plugin. It only works when 
   the parent field is used but not with a custom field (I don't know how 
   to do this).

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[tw5] Re: [Help] performance of plugin, filters



tirsdag den 10. marts 2020 kl. 12.30.10 UTC+1 skrev Hubert:
>
> Yes, I understand your objectives, but I cannot answer in code if I don't 
> have your building blocks.
>
> Anyway, to answer your question on a high level, if your reveal widget 
> evaluates to False, then anything it embeds (filters included) is simply 
> not run, which does save time.
>
> If it evaluates to True, well, then I guess your best bet would be to run 
> performance instrumentation to see how it performs, as Mario suggested 
> above. The same applies to your filter run, as long as you can embed the 
> functionality of a reveal widget in your filter syntax. By running 
> performance instrumentation you can test different solutions and boost 
> processing time by a few hundred ms in the best of cases.
>
> Apologies if this appears vague, I just don't want to speculate.
>

Thank you. I am also trying to understand it on a high level.
as you say, when reveal widget evaluates to False it is not run, I think 
there are more benefit to this, that would get lost in in a filter. thanks 
for clarifying.


does it make sense to have a filter like below? will the* all[tiddlers]* do 
anything?

[all[tiddlers]all[current]tagging[]]
vs
[all[current]tagging[]]

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[tw5] Re: [Help] performance of plugin, filters



tirsdag den 10. marts 2020 kl. 12.11.34 UTC+1 skrev Hubert:
>
> I'm not quite sure what you're trying to accomplish in question #1. Please 
> post your code and someone may come up with a solution :) (I'll try my best 
> too).
>
> I am thinking if there would be a benefit to combine reveal and the 
filter, so instead of first a reveal and then a filter I could evaluate, in 
the same filter, a value in e.g. a state tiddler and then a specific tag.
 

> As goes for question #2, it's good practice to start building your filters 
> by defining the fundamental category as explained here 
> . There might be 
> performance benefits too, but I'm not qualified to answer this part of your 
> question.
>
>
thanks you for your help


>

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[tw5] Re: New Plugin tw-receiver saves wiki to PHP



lørdag den 7. marts 2020 kl. 16.51.23 UTC+1 skrev Mario Public:
>
> When importing the plugin the error:
>
> JSON error: SyntaxError: JSON.parse: unexpected character at line 7 column 
> 1 of the JSON data
>
> is reported
>
> Mario
>
> if you copied the file form github, are you sure you have the json code, 
> and not the html code for the link to the file? ( I did that) check the 
> file in a text editor and see if it match what is on github
>

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[tw5] Re: [Help] performance of plugin, filters

thank very much  you for your answer. This was what I suspected.


new questions.

1
is it possible to combine reveal and a filter? and will this be faster?

something like:

<$list filter="[speceficTiddler!!field[yes]has[field]]">

and 2
is there an advantage in 
[all[tiddlers]tag[something]has[field]]

vs 
[tag[something]has[field]]

is it an index thing?





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[tw5] [Help] performance of plugin, filters

When I am building my new plugin, at some point things get really slow. 

Can you help me understand where I Can optimize please? I am lacking some 
basic understanding.

1. question
if I hide something (a filter) with the *reveal widget*, will it be 
bypassed or will it still run the filter but not show it? or is there a 
better  way (for speed) to toggle between things?

2.question
is there any advantage in combining filters vs. nesting them?

example:

reveal if field[x]
  list filter tag[y] limit[1]
   stuff to show

  /list filter
/reveal

vs

list filter field[x]tag[y] limit[1]
  stuff to show
/list


thanks

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[tw5] Re: [advice] for encryption and mobile performance

2020-03-09 Thread HC Haase



fredag den 6. marts 2020 kl. 22.13.18 UTC+1 skrev Mat:
>
> Thanks for sharing insights.
>
> Personally I find that I don't edit stuff via mobile other than possibly 
> checking checkboxes. Too iffy to type on mobile. So rarely need to save 
> stuff. I'm not sure what people do on their TWs over the phone actually. Of 
> course depend on what the wiki is for... Hm, may I ask that, i.e what 
> you're actually using your TW for that you use so actively over the phone?
>
> <:-)
>

You may.. I always find it interesting how diverse TW is used. 

Normally I don't use TW on my phone often, because I work in front of a pc. 
BUT

 * I have begun /(try to make the habit) to use TW as a personal journal. 
It is more convenient to sit in the couch with my phone at the end of the 
day, than pull out the laptop.
* I like to travel light, but my thinking (also through my second brain TW) 
is seldom light. So I want my notes and I dont want to be hindered by 
interface.
** not long ago I moved to another country for 4 months and it was not 
practical to bring my laptop. I was very much dependent on my phone.

so what do I do... the same stuff, but lighter. my texts are shorter. 
making notes from read material, connect them to other notes, write 
thoughts and connect or contradict other thoughts in the notes. save 
inspiring quotes, links or books to read.

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[tw5] Re: publishing a wiki. store.php working? github better?

2020-03-09 Thread HC Haase

thank you for your suggestions. I also fail in getting tw-receiver to work. 
Properly some issue with my hosting (htacces and permissions is checked).

But I begin to think, that this is too much hassle. Maybe I just drop my 
file once in a while via ftp. It was a cool concept though.

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[tw5] Re: Covid & Tiddlywiki

2020-03-09 Thread HC Haase

There is also the readonly theme from the official plugin theme tab. it is 
good at hiding edit buttons, but you may to hide the save button also.

for saving when the save button is hidden. use alt+s keyboard shortcut

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[tw5] [advice] for encryption and mobile performance

2020-03-06 Thread HC Haase

Sharing my discovery 

In retrospect, it is obvious, but it didn't occur to me for a long time. 

when I use TW on mobile it is always encrypted because the risk of loss or 
other compromising is higher than my pc, so unencrypted wiki is not an 
option IMO. This led to the wiki being very slow on save and therefore hard 
to use.

The obvious solution.

If you use an encrypted wiki on mobile:


Turn off automatic saving, and save manually when you need to.

This is simple, but it made my wiki workable again on mobile, so a big 
impact.

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[tw5] publishing a wiki. store.php working? github better?

2020-03-06 Thread HC Haase

HI
Is anyone using the store.php 
 or enhanced 
store.php  to upload a wiki to own 
server? Is this still working?

I used store.php a long time ago, but now I can't get it to work.

I was thinking if it would be easier to use GitHub and show the GitHub 
public page in an iframe on own domain.

All advice on publishing TW is appreciated 
thanks

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[tw5] Re: Consider renaming TiddlyWiki

2020-03-06 Thread HC Haase

To chime on how and when to rename TW I made a comment in another thread, 
where TW mobile aspects  is discussed

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/tiddlywiki/MXXCiHvv-U4/fPIzhv9fAgAJ

tldr: make the name change together with a "version jump" to a "version" 
optimized for mobile touch interfaces. TW mobile. Much is already 
prepared.  

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Re: [tw5] Re: Andy Matuschak's new notetaking app

2020-03-05 Thread HC Haase

Jeremy said that mutch was prepared for mobile in 2011.

This gave me a thought. With the recent talk of a possible name change and the
advantag of that being in connection with a major version change, like the one
from TWC to TW5. Could the "version jump" be to a version optimized for mobile?

https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/tiddlywiki/EShXN5LvQbA

IMO TW is lacking a lot on mobile but there are many solutions on the mobile
front.

* You say that much is prepared under the hood to work with mobile devices.
* You work on top bar plugin optimised for mobile
* Jds mobile layout (this nake a big difference and that's what i use)
* Jds marerial theme with the floating FAB button also have some great mobile
features
* The ideas in this thread of a better mobile theme
* and more

So if these things could be mashed up to make a more coherent mobile optimised
tw version I think this could be be enough of a change to "count" as a new
version (but not necessarily breaking backwards compatability with TW5).

I dont have the knowledge to say, but I think the work for this would be alot
less than the work for the previous shift ftom TWC to TW5. And this could be
enough to be perceived / feel like a new version, not to mention really useful
in a world where mobile touch interfaces is more and more dominant.

What do you think?

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[tw5] Re: Version Controlling the Wiki: Isomorphic Git

2020-02-27 Thread HC Haase



 Diego Mesa:

>
> and thought it might make a great addition to the wiki! Using git as a 
> version control of the wiki itself! 
>
Jeremy Ruston

> gives us features like revision handling and merging changes from multiple 
> sources.
>
 
This would be really great. Merging and handling of different versions is a 
place where TW is lacking. I often have the fear that my wiki is out of 
sync with the mobile version and I will override something. 

It would also make it a lot simpler to manage separate wikis that share 
content.

projects that spring to my mind, where this could have a impact:

twideraton and the recent search indexes to other wikis 

 
projects

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[tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)

2020-02-17 Thread HC Haase



mandag den 17. februar 2020 kl. 10.24.05 UTC+1 skrev bimlas:
>
> HC Haase,
>
> OK, I've got the idea. I've tried out on Locator demo, it's working fine. 
> Please update the link in the OP, because it points to the old place of the 
> plugin!
>
>
ah I see you can choose templates in locator. I did not know. I have 
updated as you requested and removed tags from my "placeholder tiddlers". 
It should also work from your template menu now. I have added  a line about 
it in the doc.

thanks for pointing the link out. It is corrected. 

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[tw5] Re: [TW5][Plugin] Announcing TOC Counting

2020-02-17 Thread HC Haase

*Announcement*: TOC counting
*Date*: 2020/02/17
*Release*: 2.1.0

on request of @Magnus I have adde support for the tocP 
 plugin. however it do not work 
for custom fields.

2.1.0

   - [fix] removed 
   $:/plugins/HCHaase/toc_counting/bimlas/locator/field-templates/link_org from 
   templates in the locator plugin (removed tag)
   - [documentation] clarity: change caption of 
$:/plugins/HCHaase/toc_counting/bimlas/locator/field-templates/link_count 
to Link (with counter)
   - [documentation] clarity: added description field to tiddlers, 
   describing there function
   - [documentation] added reference to the locator plugin settings
   - [new] added count for P Marios tocP 
    plugin. It only works when 
   the parent field is used but not with a custom field (I don't know how 
   to do this).

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[tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)

2020-02-16 Thread HC Haase



fredag den 14. februar 2020 kl. 19.27.19 UTC+1 skrev bimlas:
>
> HC Haase,
>
> I have updated my TOC counting plugin to function with this wonderful 
>> plugin
>>
>
> I'm glad you like it and thank you for paying attention when developing 
> your own plugin.
>
> What 
> does $:/plugins/HCHaase/toc_counting/bimlas/locator/field-templates/link_org 
> do? As I see, it only contains the link, not the counter. I think this can 
> be deleted if it is not needed for your plugin to work.
>

This is to make the toggle work so you have the option to turn the counting 
off. It stores the original code from your plugin.

>
> In my opinion, change the caption of the 
> $:/plugins/HCHaase/toc_counting/bimlas/locator/field-templates/link_count 
> template template to "Link (with counter)", for example, because it is not 
> clear how it differs from the original "Link" template.
>
> The "Enable counting of sub-tiddlers in Locator TOC" option is superfluous 
> because the counter will work without any configuration *if this template 
> is selected for display in the Locator* - it's missing from the 
> documentation.
>

This is to make it possible to toggel the numbers on/off for different 
toc's. So one could turn it off in locator and on in clasic toc, or vice 
versa.

Detaild description.
 The checkbox for  "Enable counting of sub-tiddlers in Locator TOC" change 
the text field of "$:/plugins/bimlas/locator/field-templates/link" of your 
plugin. It takes the text of 
"$:/plugins/HCHaase/toc_counting/bimlas/locator/field-templates/link_count" 
where I have included the counting. When un-checking the field, the text in 
"$:/plugins/bimlas/locator/field-templates/link" is replaced with the 
original text that I store in the 
"$:/plugins/HCHaase/toc_counting/bimlas/locator/field-templates/link_org" 
tiddler 
("$:/plugins/HCHaase/toc_counting/bimlas/locator/field-templates/link_count" 
has ben overriddene).

 

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[tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)

2020-02-14 Thread HC Haase

FYI
I have updated my TOC counting plugin to function with this wonderful plugin

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/TiddlyWiki/o6z8ig9a3bI

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[tw5] Re: [TW5][Plugin] Announcing TOC Counting

2020-02-14 Thread HC Haase

*Announcement*: TOC counting
*Date*: 2020/02/14
*Release*: 2.0.0

download/demo:https://hchaase.github.io/HC-Plugins/#TOC-Counting%20Introduction

I have integrated my TOC counting plugin with bimlas' locator view, so you 
also can get counts in that TOC.

2.0.0

   - [fix] more sidebar/tags had old and new version. now toggle between two
   - [new] toggle the more sidebar/tags count/no.count
   - [new] added count for bimlas locator plugin
   - [new] added toggle count/no.count for bimlas locator plugin

1.0.0

   - First public version
   - toggle count/no.count for main toc macro
   - add a more sidebar/tags with counts

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[tw5] Re: Shiraz Plugin 2.0.15: Dynamic Tables with Task Manager Example and Numerical Summary

2020-02-14 Thread HC Haase

The demo page is down

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[tw5] Re: [meta] discussion of tags vs links / relations in TW.

@tiddlytweet

>Just a footnote.

>On wider net, "tags" emerged as an alternative to "ranked categories".

>The point was to escape hierarchical placements with a cross-cutting labeling 
>system.

>Its interesting that TW frequently revisits this issue in many forms weekly :).

>A lot of TOC type things are reconstructing via tags what basic naming might 
>do better! Its an issue about "state of knowing" as much as "technique of 
>fulfillment".

How would basic naming be better? Can you give an example?

Please elaborate on the state of knowing" as much as "technique of fulfillment" 
thing.

>IMO, and my interest, is really HOW to you combine "emergent knowledge" (tags 
>good for that!) with "a nice logical user experience" (TOC good for that IF...)

Yes i agree. I am thinking that tags and links maybe could be collapsed to one 
thing to make connections and emergent knowledge structures more vissible. 

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[tw5] Re: [meta] discussion of tags vs links / relations in TW.

@tiddlytweet

Just a footnote.

On wider net, "tags" emerged as an alternative to "ranked categories".

The point was to escape hierarchical placements with a cross-cutting labeling 
system.

Its interesting that TW frequently revisits this issue in many forms weekly :).

A lot of TOC type things are reconstructing via tags what basic naming might do 
better! Its an issue about "state of knowing" as much as "technique of 
fulfillment".

How would basic naming be better? Can you give an example?

Please elaborate on the state of knowing" as much as "technique of fulfillment" 
thing. 



IMO, and my interest, is really HOW to you combine "emergent knowledge" (tags 
good for that!) with "a nice logical user experience" (TOC good for that IF...)

Yes i agree. I am thinking that tags and links maybe could be collapsed to one 
thing to make connections and emergent knowledge structures more vissible. 

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[tw5] Re: [meta] discussion of tags vs links / relations in TW.

So many exciting things happening on this forum, so little time. 

@david


>Links are better for sideways and one-level-up connections. Tags are better 
>for multi-level tables of contents.

Yes that is why i use tags and links as i do. Tags are good for multi-level toc 
(as alo noted by @tiddlytweeter), but would it not be possible to use links for 
that also? Isn't that what you are doing David with blink? 

If not. Are you maybe no so interested in multi-level toc? 

>As Mark noted, long tags are terrible.

Why? Many of my tags have space in them, and some are sentences long but i dont 
see the problem with that. I just seach for them and select. A d why would a 
long link be better?

And I hope my poor spelling isn't a threat to the discussion in this thread :) 

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Re: [tw5] Re: New plugin: Highlight searched text

I tried it.. The placement settings (work around) made it easy to adapt to my 
setup. Perfect
thank you 

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[tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)

Bimlas 

My plugin TOC counting 
 do not 
work on your locator view. Could you give me some pointers, so I can modify 
it to work with the locator plugin?

the TOC counting l plugin adds a counter to the $:/core/macros/toc macro.

thanks

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[tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)


>
> It seems that 2020 will be the year of renewal of the table of contents, 
> as many of you present new, innovative solutions in this area. Here's mine.
>
Indeed it seems, and thanks for mentioning my plugin in your demo page :). 
At some point, maybe we should make an effort to combine different plugins 
/ find duplicates / consider if some plugin features could be included in 
the core?? 

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[tw5] Re: Locator 2.0.0: Innovative table of contents and search plugin (any field as tags; visual filter builder; mindmap)

Hi Bimlas
You have pushed your plugin in several threats and I finally got around to
look at it again. This is really great.

I am not sure why, but I still find it a little cryptic and I had to invest
some time to understand it. But I think it is a really powerful tool.
The video helps a lot. Thanks for taking the time to make it.

I think this is a big improvement from the last version. Great work. I like:

- The filter options. The old showing of tags took up a lot of space and
the new feature of sorting by any field you want, powerful!
- context setting/show links instead of tag - great way to see more
connections
- context settings/show fields/transclusion etc. this is also nice to
have the control in one place, but hard to use with a narrow sidebar (like
in the demopage)

problems

- colors. if you use a bit darker themes the text is hard to read some
palces ( see screenshot). if you (and every plugin) could choose colors
that follows the theme (like primary, links etc) instad of hardcoding the
colors, it would be great.
- maybe I did something wrong but I get a limitd search result in
locator. how come (see screenshot)?
- context settings/show fields/transclusion etc. is not that usefull if
you have a narrow sidebar. maybe you could make a button to pup out the
view in a tiddler in the story river or something
- you write you can use it to "*Create mindmaps". *That sound exiting
but I dont realy understand how. could you maybe give sime examples?

screenshot. see text and the limited search result

same search in normal search

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[tw5] Re: tag dropdown slowdown - solution/discussion

2020-02-11 Thread HC Haase



tirsdag den 11. februar 2020 kl. 11.27.42 UTC+1 skrev TonyM:
>
> HC
>
> I started work on providing a filter to the tag drop downs and was asking 
> myself how I may filter them to reduce them in number. 
>
> I then referred back to your original thread and note a large contributor 
> to your problem is the journal tiddlers,
>
>
>- Is that because you use a given days journal title as a tag to 
>organise information by day, So have a lot of date tags?
>
> This was just to give an example. It is not a particular annoying problem 
for me. the use case was, ifyou use the new journal button, say once a day. 
after some time you will have alot of tiddlers with the tag journal. and if 
you press the journal tag you will get a very long and slow list.

You are I assume aware that rather than click the drop down right away, if 
> you start typing the list will be filtered, however on first click into the 
> tag name entry, it shows all tags right away.
>

Yes I am aware. and the first click slowdown is the problem. 

>
> What if this click or responce to each letter typed was disabled and you 
> had to use the dropdown by click or tabbing to the "tag dropdown", before 
> the list appeared, then the list will only be those tiddlers that match the 
> search string? This could popup again after 3 to 4 characters are typed 
> because by then the possible tag list is reduced. 
>

This is actually a quite good idea with a mix of both approaches. Though I 
dont know how if these buttons are small on mobile.

>
> If however your list is not reduced much after 3-4 characters then I 
> believe there is another approach, please give me an example "string" where 
> you get too many tag suggestions after the all tag list is displayed if 
> possible.
>

no I have not had this problem.

Maybe this is feature creep. but I remembered bimlas had some solution 
where he added a line to the viewtemplate with a list of (selcedted) often 
used tags. Maybe instead of just showing the alfabetically first rags on 
the first click, we could only show a list of "selected" tags. when you 
start to type or press the tag drop down you could get the normal list. - 
just a thought.

>
> Regards
> Tony
>
>
> On Tuesday, February 11, 2020 at 6:33:47 PM UTC+11, HC Haase wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> søndag den 9. februar 2020 kl. 03.11.14 UTC+1 skrev TonyM:
>>>
>>> HC,
>>>
>>> Thanks for starting this discussion - it really helps both learning and 
>>> development to run such threads.
>>>
>>  
>> Glad to hear it. Thanks for your detailed response. 
>>
>>>
>>> I would find a limit on the tags would inevitably confuse me and 
>>> possibly result in my creating new tags of a similar name.
>>>
>>
>> As I imaging it, I don't think so. As soon as you begin to type, the tag 
>> list would reflect that (like it do now) and you would find the tag. And as 
>> it is now, when the list of tags run of the page of a pc screen, I don't 
>> think it gives more clarity than a limited list. (but of course I can't 
>> speak for you).  
>>
>> Personally I just quickly type a number of characters to quickly limit 
>>> the choices, perhaps a small delay rather than a character limit would 
>>> allow you to do the same rather than limit it to three characters, or a 
>>> setting like for search that sets the minimum number and the delay time.
>>>
>>  
>> I guess a delay could also work but I dont see the advantage over 
>> character limit.
>>
>>
>>> I have a different perspective" To me tags are a quick to use ad hoc 
>>> method for selecting/categorising tiddlers. This extends to tags that group 
>>> tags like "status" could tag new, inprogress and done, but they need to be 
>>> removed as well as added. This is one case where a single value in a field 
>>> works better. 
>>>
>>
>> I agree that tags are quick ad hoc categorising, but I think tags is also 
>> "more" (wiki structure). I also  agree that fields work better in these 
>> category/value scenarios. 
>>
>>>
>>> Personally I try and avoid tags and use fields instead because I try not 
>>> to "pollute" the tag space. I may even use tags initially then migrate all 
>>> tiddlers so tagged to all tiddlers with a given field/value.
>>>
>>
>> Here is the problem again (not with you but with the tech). You and 
>> others avoid using the tags because the tags fail at their job. Should we 
>> not fix the tag mechanism instead of adapting our beh

[tw5] [meta] discussion of tags vs links / relations in TW.

2020-02-11 Thread HC Haase

This is inspired from my threat on tag picker slowdown
and Dave's
threat on bi-directional linking
.

>From these discussions on the TW tech and user behaviour with relations, I
think it could be useful to have a more fundamental discussion about
relations (tags and links).

Different folks different strokes, is a good thing to remember when talking
TW. I will do my best to remember that not all, do things the same way as
I. But sometime I might forget.

I will approach this from my own point of view. This is not to say that
this is the right way to do referencing, but is an attempt to get some
clarity by starting at one point.

In terms of relations between tiddlers we have

1. tags: can be hierarchies as in the TOC, and more network oriented. It
gives us categories
2. links: is a stronger relation that tags, it gives us a direct
connection to another tiddler.
3. backlinks: are also links, but not as intentional as normal links,
thus these could bring some emergence and show connection you forgot.
4. list
5. listed
6. searches (and bimlas forward linking

thing)

I don't see list and listed as too relevant right now, so I will leave them
out for now.

The way I see it tags and links are different. Links are more direct and
intentional - a strong relation if you will. Tags are a broader categories
(and/or hierarchical). This also means that tags become my primary
mechanism for order and links get a more ad hoc use. I had the feeling that
this is the way tags and links were designed/thought to be used (but I
could be wrong).

So in summery

- tags
- hierarchy
- category/keyword
- primary sorter
- many out of the box features (toc macro, tagging filter, colour
coding, drop-down picker)
- don't pollute the text space
- links
- stronger link
- more ad hoc
- secondary sorter
- not (out of the box) optimal for hierarchies
- may pollute the text space

Some people rely more on links instead of tags and some more on fields
(other than tag). This puzzled me a bit. But if you make some lists that
show nested list of links, to show hierarchy, you could use links for the
same as tags (e.g. Dave's blink edition
).

SO maybe there are no real difference between tags and links? Can they be
used interchangeable? and if so why not only have one method?

You link people;

- is there an advantage/disadvantage to using links for hierarchy?
- And how do you use links? do you have a "see also" section with
keyword links?
- do you distinguish between "a link to another tiddler" and "child of
tiddler link"?

Tags have many advantages that links do not have (out of the box) (toc
macro,tagging filter, colour coding, drop-down picker). but if we strip
them of these fancy cloths, are they any different than links?

Maybe I am rambling now.. I properly managed to confuse myself. I look
forward to hearing your thoughts on this.

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[tw5] Re: tag dropdown slowdown - solution/discussion

2020-02-10 Thread HC Haase



søndag den 9. februar 2020 kl. 03.11.14 UTC+1 skrev TonyM:
>
> HC,
>
> Thanks for starting this discussion - it really helps both learning and 
> development to run such threads.
>
 
Glad to hear it. Thanks for your detailed response. 

>
> I would find a limit on the tags would inevitably confuse me and possibly 
> result in my creating new tags of a similar name.
>

As I imaging it, I don't think so. As soon as you begin to type, the tag 
list would reflect that (like it do now) and you would find the tag. And as 
it is now, when the list of tags run of the page of a pc screen, I don't 
think it gives more clarity than a limited list. (but of course I can't 
speak for you).  

Personally I just quickly type a number of characters to quickly limit the 
> choices, perhaps a small delay rather than a character limit would allow 
> you to do the same rather than limit it to three characters, or a setting 
> like for search that sets the minimum number and the delay time.
>
 
I guess a delay could also work but I dont see the advantage over character 
limit.


> I have a different perspective" To me tags are a quick to use ad hoc 
> method for selecting/categorising tiddlers. This extends to tags that group 
> tags like "status" could tag new, inprogress and done, but they need to be 
> removed as well as added. This is one case where a single value in a field 
> works better. 
>

I agree that tags are quick ad hoc categorising, but I think tags is also 
"more" (wiki structure). I also  agree that fields work better in these 
category/value scenarios. 

>
> Personally I try and avoid tags and use fields instead because I try not 
> to "pollute" the tag space. I may even use tags initially then migrate all 
> tiddlers so tagged to all tiddlers with a given field/value.
>

Here is the problem again (not with you but with the tech). You and others 
avoid using the tags because the tags fail at their job. Should we not fix 
the tag mechanism instead of adapting our behaviour?  


> Not withstanding my alternate approach what would I do if I had too many 
> tags. first I would find a way to divide them into subsets, the simplest 
> being tags with a given tag, or tiddler vs system tiddler. It is only once 
> you find a way to group your tags can you build something to view a subset 
> of tags. I would tend to keep the default drop down or tag search and build 
> another restricted in some way by a filter. For example every status tag 
> could have the field status and have a method to select a tag only from the 
> status tags etc... The selection of status tag may only appear on tiddlers 
> with an field object-type with the value task, object-type[task].
>
> However for a really intense user of tags marios alttags/gentags plugin 
> allows you define multiple tag fields, and the available tags in each 
> alternative tag group are only search for within the existing tags used in 
> that tag field.
>
> In the longer term I would like to see us developing more list fields like 
> tags and provide a method to migrate tags to these alternatives. Tags are a 
> wonderful free method of "tagging" but more often that not we actually use 
> tags as keyword list, a status of which a tiddler can only have one at a 
> time, or primary categories where only one category can be assigned and/or 
> multiple category fields. Another is a keyword field that one adds search 
> terms you want found but that do not necessarily appear in the tiddler.
>
> I think we have opposite views here. A separatist vs a unionist :) 
you want  to make subsets of tags and @P Marios gentag makes subset of 
tagfields. You say that "more often that not we actually use tags as 
keyword list,... or primary categories " But why only one at a time? In my 
view this is exactly the power of tags. I want my wiki to grow buttn-up. I 
dont want to make a distinction betwene keyword and category before the 
difference present itself. Therefore I want the tags to simultaniusly be 
keywords, categories and search terms. I need to go with the flow (maybe I 
should start a new threat to go deeper in this).

I think the problem with using special fields or an extra special tag-field 
is that you don't have one place to look for something. Fields are great 
for custom things, but tags are better. I think tags has some big 
advantages "out of the box":


   - automatic toc
   - drop down picker (when it works ;)) 
   - colouring
   - consistency across different wikis


Let us take advantages of that instead of avoiding tags. Make tags great 
again.

In the world of data/knowledge and Information management there are a set 
> of well known concepts such as tags and categories (subjects/Domains/Genra 
> are others), for which I would like to see a mechanisium to define and use 
> these as part of the Standard distribution. To me these would mitigate the 
> need to deal with large numbers of tags.
>

Do you care to talk some more about the world of information managemen

[tw5] Re: tag dropdown slowdown - solution/discussion

2020-02-10 Thread HC Haase

@Ton Gerner
Thank you. my wish was already there.



lørdag den 8. februar 2020 kl. 23.50.49 UTC+1 skrev A Gloom:
>
> I was going to post a perfoemance tip post about that hidden setting-- 
> once I went over 500 tags I would get a noticeable lag when the dropdown 
> reacted to text typed in for adding a tag-- the hidden setting cured that 
> lag issue for me.
>
> That setting perhaps should be unhidden by adding it to Control Panel-- i 
> made a crib/cheat sheet listing the hidden settings listed at tiddlywiki . 
> com
>

I strongly agree that this should be in the controlpanel. when I think of 
it, why hide any features at all? At the least, the hidden features could 
be put in a "advanced settings" tab or something similar, if we want to 
warn people before messing with them.


> Only drawback-- if you have tags whose letter length is under the number 
> you set
>
> at setting of 2, for a single letter tag you use letter then blank space
> at setting of 3, for a single letter tag you use letter then blank space, 
> and a second blank space
> at setting of 3, for a double letter tag you use letter, second letter, 
> blank space
>

I find it quite fast and intuitive to just type 3 spaces. If we want to 
make a bit nicer option, we could add a button to expand the list, to the 
drop-down text (dont know the correct word for this) :

So instad of 
"Search text too short"
It colud be 
"Search text too short (expand list)"

But I still like the first proposition better, as I dont see the point of 
showing more than  10 to 20 hits as more is just noise IMO. 

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[tw5] Re: [plugin] TOC generic - shows toc,backlinks,list and listed up front

2020-02-07 Thread HC Haase

*Announcement*: TOC Generic
*Date*: 2020/02/07
*Release*: 1.2.9

Downlaod/demo:
https://hchaase.github.io/HC-Plugins/#TOC-Generic%20Introduction

As @Damon Pritchett requested, you can set the default show/hide for the
different lists and changing list visibility show/hide will not trigger
"red save wiki button".

Sorry for the Manny small updates. I am learning as I go here. In the
process I think I have learned a lot about how to do wiki. But now I think
the updates will slow down, there is not much more to change.

2020/02/06 - v. 1.2.9

- [New] changing list visibility show/hide will not trigger "red save
wiki button". The visibility state is now stored in state (json) tiddlers
that do not make the wiki dirty, but will be saved on wiki save.

2020/02/04 - v. 1.2.8

- [Fix] bug that reversed toggles

2020/02/04 - v. 1.2.7

- [New] Set default show/hide status of all lists. Note the default is
overridden when status is changed in individual tiddler (by design).
- [New] delete individual tiddler show/hide setting and set default
instead
- [Fix] tiddlers with colon: in title can now toggle the view of lists

2020/01/31 - v. 1.2.5

- [New] new default hide/show icon is set to text and use the arrows
used in the normal TOC to keep it consistent with TW (can be changed by
user)
- [New] big one: all "sub" headings (tags, backlinks, list and listed)
can be folded/hidden by clicking on them
- [New] the reveal status for the general hide/show and for the
sub-lists are tiddler specific and remembered (stored in a data tiddler)
- [New] position in viewtemplate is set in the plugin viewtemplate by a
list-after field.

2020/01/27

- [Fix] the hide button no longer appear on tiddlers with nothing to
show.
- [New] option to change icon/text of buttons in the readme.

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[tw5] tag dropdown slowdown - solution/discussion

2020-02-07 Thread HC Haase

*TLDR:*
*Problem:* the tag dropdown slows down when you use to many tags
*Proposal:* 1. only show e.g. first 10 hits and cycle through pages or 2.
require min. 3 characters before showing results (like the search)

*Problem*
I see it mentioned more and more here on the forum, and I am beginning to
experience it in my own wiki. When the tag space gets big, the dropdown
tag-picker slows down a lot (in edit and in view mode). It is especially a
problem on mobile/android where it can make the hole wiki unresponsive for
a long time, but it also happens on my desktop now.

If you use the journal button hand have a journal tag, it quickly becomes
impossible to press that tag pill

I am also wondering what is the point of the tag pick drop-down? For me, it
is to quickly choose a tag. But if I get 50 tag suggestion, that will not
help me find what I am looking for. So I type instead to limit the relevant
suggestions. So why have all tags shown in the tag-picker to begin with? It
would make more sense to only see a limited number of hits.

Some might say that one should avoid to many tags to solve this. But that
is not a solution IMO. Tags are what makes wiki'ng great, and they are
visible unlike custom fields. In TW tags are both network/categories and
hierarchy. Therefore, we need a lot of tags (the strength becomes the
weakness).

*Proposal*
I see two possible solutions to this. The first I think would be the best.

1.
Limit the tag-picker to the first 10 hits and have button to cycle to next
10 (maybe have a setting where you can change the number of hits from 10 to
whatever)

2.
In edit mode, require 3 character in the input before showing results (like
for search)

*Discussion*
I like the first solution best because this will show you tag suggestions
whit out any input and it* solves the problem for both edit and view mode*
tag-picker.

I also think that whatever solution for this, should be a part of the core.
As the problem with too many tags is a fundamental scaling problem that can
hit everyone.

What do you think?
Do you have a better idea for a solution?

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[tw5] Re: Making it easier to share demos/snippets in Google Groups

2020-02-05 Thread HC Haase

This looks interesting. But beyond my skills 

It would be very nice to have an easier way of sharing. The step of making 
a demo wiki sometimes make me postpone the sharing of a working solution. 
And the absence of a demo make me postpone testing others.

And it also looks useful for general sharing tiddlers with the outsiders.

This reminds me of  a threat on a "share with a link thing" itty.bitty 
. Is what 
you are doing here along the same lines or is it something different?

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[tw5] Re: I often think that life is the London basic rail network ...

2020-02-05 Thread HC Haase



tirsdag den 4. februar 2020 kl. 21.57.28 UTC+1 skrev TiddlyTweeter:
>
> The amazing topology of depiction of the internal London rail network is a 
> high water mark of logical graphical representation.
>

I like the Tokyo  subway more.




> Could one, in TW, in some way, layout how to get from Chesham to Parsons 
> Green?
>

as a geographer, the porblem of routplanning has crossed my path. The 
calssical way of finding an optimal route is to make a network of nodes and 
edges, assign a penalty value to the nodes and calculate the cumulative 
penalites for all possible connections form a to b. then you can find the 
lowest one. That could be done with tiddlers, but I feel tw would not be 
the best tool.

why do you want this in TW? just to try it out?


Just wondering
>

you do that alot

>
But tell me more about "I often think that life is the London basic rail 
network ... "




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[tw5] Re: [data tiddlers] dealing with ":" (from <>)

2020-02-05 Thread HC Haase



onsdag den 5. februar 2020 kl. 03.28.43 UTC+1 skrev A Gloom:
>
> This doesn't help with writing titles to a data tiddler-- I don't know if 
> urlencode with encode : but you must make those extra :'s into : for 
> the data tiddler ignore them-- its only needed in title section before the 
> data tiddler : seperator-- in the value section after the seperator it's 
> not an issue
>

 I don't understand what you are saying here.. are you saying, that you 
could change the colon to url :?  "the value section after the 
separator it's not an issue"- that part I understand. Good to know. 


> Mohammad is correct-- json is better especially since data tiddlers won't 
> be worked on (but still supported) in the core any longer iirc
>
> Look at this at TWScripts-- I went by this when converting to data 
> tiddlers to json
>
> https://kookma.github.io/TW-Scripts/#A%20Dictionary%20Project
>

For my problem I followd Mohammads advice and just used a json tiddler. 
workd perfectly. 

"data tiddlers won't be worked on" does that mean that dictionary tiddlers 
should be avoided?? as I understand it,  the json can do the same as the 
dictionary and more, so I don't see the need for the dictionary type. But 
then again I dont know much about the issue.

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[tw5] Re: [plugin] TOC generic - shows toc,backlinks,list and listed up front

2020-02-04 Thread HC Haase

*Announcement*: TOC Generic
*Date*: 2020/02/04
*Release*: 1.2.8

Main news is the possibility to set default show/hide status for the 
different lists.

2020/02/04 - v. 1.2.8

   - [fix] bug that reversed toggles

2020/02/04 - v. 1.2.7

   - [New] Set default show/hide status of all lists. Note the default is 
   overridden when status is changed in individual tiddler (by design).
   - [New] delete individual tiddler show/hide setting and set default 
   instead
   - [FIX] tiddlers with colon: in title can now toggle the view of lists

2020/01/31 - v. 1.2.5

   - [New] new default hide/show icon is set to text and use the arrows 
   used in the normal TOC to keep it consistent with TW (can be changed by 
   user)
   - [New] big one: all "sub" headings (tags, backlinks, list and listed) 
   can be folded/hidden by clicking on them
   - [New] the reveal status for the general hide/show and for the 
   sub-lists are tiddler specific and remembered (stored in a data tiddler)
   - [New] position in viewtemplate is set in the plugin viewtemplate by a 
   list-after field.

2020/01/27

   - [Fix] the hide button no longer appear on tiddlers with nothing to 
   show.
   - [New] option to change icon/text of buttons in the readme.

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[tw5] Re: TiddlyBlink (Roam-y experiment, contd)

2020-02-04 Thread HC Haase



torsdag den 30. januar 2020 kl. 02.17.11 UTC+1 skrev David Gifford:
>
> Yay! I found a workaround for hiding the checkboxes and the message about 
> clicking gray boxes: put them in a sidebar tab. That way, there will only 
> be notes if there are notes.
>
>
> You are a genius! The simplest solution is often the best. 
I personally don't like to use the sidebar tabs too much as I think it take 
up too much space. But I have to give it to you. By using the sidebar you 
solved the problem very simple and effective.

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[tw5] Re: [plugin] TOC generic - shows toc,backlinks,list and listed up front



mandag den 3. februar 2020 kl. 16.37.00 UTC+1 skrev Eric Shulman:
>
> On Monday, February 3, 2020 at 2:13:34 AM UTC-8, HC Haase wrote:
>>
>> It works good with the reveal widget, however with the solution I made, 
>> the open/closed status of the lists are remembered for each individual 
>> tiddler. That is not possible with the reveal widget.
>>
>
> The $reveal widget CAN be used with "state" values that are stored as 
> indexes in a data tiddler.  The trick is to not actually use the "state" 
> parameter, but instead, use the "default" parameter:
> <$reveal default={{MyData##someindex}} type="match" text="open"> 
>
> This works because, as per the documentation for $reveal:
> default Default value to use when the state tiddler is missing
>
> Alternatively, you can use the "stateTitle" and "stateIndex" parameters:
> <$reveal stateTitle="MyData" stateIndex="someindex" type="match" 
> text="open">
>
> Again, as per documentation for $reveal
> stateTitle A title containing the state, *without* TextReference 
> <https://tiddlywiki.com/#TextReference>. Gets preferred over the state
>  attribute
> stateField A *field name* which is used to look for the state, if the 
> attribute stateTitle is present
> stateIndex An *index* which is used to look for the state, if the 
> attribute stateTitle is present
>
> enjoy,
> -e
>

Thank you for you guiding Eric.

yikse.. I mismatched the two widgets (too little coffee) sorry for the 
confusion. 

what I meant was the exact opposite:

It works good with the reveal *details *widget, however with thet solution 
> I made, the open/closed status of the lists are remembered for each 
> individual tiddler. That is not possible with the reveal *details *widget.
>

I do use the *reveal *widget but with "stateTitel" and "stateIndex" (see 
below). Is there a advantage by using "default" instead? 

<$reveal type="match"  stateTitle="$:/plugins/HCHaase/TOCgeneric/state" 
stateIndex=<> text="show">  


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[tw5] Re: [plugin] TOC generic - shows toc,backlinks,list and listed up front



>
> The details in Shiraz has a parameter state let you have a default open or 
> closed status. 
>
>>
>> It works good with the reveal widget, however with thet solution I made, 
>> the open/closed status of the lists are remembered for each individual 
>> tiddler. That is not possible with the rveal widget.
>>
>
Yes. That is good. My plugin however store the status in a data tiddler so 
the open/closed status is remembered for each individual tiddler.

e.g. you can open the toc for your overview tiddlers but close it for 
others where you don't want to see it when you open them.

But had I known this plugin before, I would have used that instead.

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[tw5] Re: [data tiddlers] dealing with ":" (from <>)

@Tony
thanks, but that is not a good solution, especially in a plugin used by 
other people

@Mohammad

My experiences say, TW consider the separator (delimiter) as the first : 
> per row. Check your code! It seems strange!
>

That's exactly the problem

Use json tiddler! It has the same capability and you would not encounter 
> this problem.
>

That's exactly the solution

thank you

I am just larning how to use data tiddlers, its quite usefull.

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[tw5] Re: [plugin] TOC generic - shows toc,backlinks,list and listed up front



fredag den 31. januar 2020 kl. 01.36.12 UTC+1 skrev Damon Pritchett:
>
> Hello all,
>
> I answered my own question and took the liberty of modifying the 
> ViewTemplate to use the details widget instead of a reveal button. It will 
> not open and close without modifying the TW. I've included the modified 
> version. I
>  
>
be my guest. Hmm I don know the details widget. I will look into your mod 
>> soon. however take a look at the new release, where some sub headings can 
>> be colapsed, alot is updated.
>>
>
>  
 I have had a look at the detail widget. This is a plugin and not part of 
the core tw. actually there is a detail widget from Thomas and from 
Mohammad in Shiraz. 
If I had known about this plugin, it could have saved me a lot of time. 

It works good with the reveal widget, however with thet solution I made, 
the open/closed status of the lists are remembered for each individual 
tiddler. That is not possible with the rveal widget.

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[tw5] [data tiddlers] dealing with ":" (from <>)

Hey all

In my new plugin TOC generic 
, ended up 
storing tiddler title and value (show/hide) in a dictionary tidder. This is 
done with a button action-set-field widget that use <>.

*Problem*
data tiddlers use a colon ":" between name (tiddler title) and value

If a tiddler title have ":" in the title when appended to the data tiddler, 
the colon will be interpreted as the name/value separator and that do not 
work.

Example:

tiddler titled New Tiddler : with a colon:

will append to the dictionary tiddler like this

New Tiddler : with a colon:: show


*question*
Is there a way to escape the colon or a way to append the title to a 
dictionary tiddler that do not interpret the colon?

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[tw5] Re: [plugin] TOC generic - shows toc,backlinks,list and listed up front



fredag den 31. januar 2020 kl. 14.55.32 UTC+1 skrev David Gifford:
>
> I hope you find a resting place for your plugin. The problem with 
> uploading them as attachments in the group is that with every update I have 
> to keep changing the link to the proper post in the thread. And that's if I 
> happen to spot the update.
>
>
now it has a home here:

https://hchaase.github.io/HC-Plugins/#TOC-Generic%20Introduction

The problem though is that it is more cumbersome to update that, than to 
post on the forum. I guess everything has a price :)

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[tw5] Re: [plugin] TOC generic - shows toc,backlinks,list and listed up front

Ah I didn't think of that. I will give it a site soon. 

FYI, I always update the top post to the newest file.

fredag den 31. januar 2020 kl. 14.55.32 UTC+1 skrev David Gifford:
>
> I hope you find a resting place for your plugin. The problem with 
> uploading them as attachments in the group is that with every update I have 
> to keep changing the link to the proper post in the thread. And that's if I 
> happen to spot the update.
>
> On Friday, January 31, 2020 at 2:49:22 AM UTC-6, HC Haase wrote:
>>
>> *Announcement*: TOC Generic
>> *Date*: 2020/01/31
>> *Release*: 1.2.0
>>
>> I have made some major improvements and it is a lot nicer now I think. 
>> Have a look
>>
>> 2020/01/31
>>
>>- [New] new default hide/show icon is set to text and *use the arrows 
>>used in the normal TOC* to keep it consistent with TW (can be changed 
>>by user)
>>- [New] big one: all "sub" headings (tags, backlinks, list and 
>>listed) can be folded/hidden by clicking on them
>>- [New] the reveal status for the general hide/show and for the 
>>sub-lists are tiddler specific and remembered  (stored in a data tiddler)
>>- [New] position in viewtemplate is set in the plugin viewtemplate by 
>>a list-after field.
>>
>>
>> 2020/01/27
>>
>>- [Fix] the hide button no longer appear on tiddlers with nothing to 
>>show.
>>- [New] option to change icon/text of buttons in the readme.
>>
>>
>> Road map
>>
>> At some point I want to 
>>
>>- Add an exclude-filter (e.g. exclude advanced search)
>>- Add set start of toc like Tonys example (
>>https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/TiddlyWiki/wijV7wNnwpQ)
>>- incorporate Daves BiLink
>>
>>
>>
>>- [DONE] Make the show/hide option tiddler specific (maybe) ??? Does 
>>anyone have an idea of the best way to do this? If I do it with a field 
>> in 
>>each tiddler, the modify-date will constantly change and that's not good.
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: [plugin] TOC generic - shows toc,backlinks,list and listed up front



torsdag den 30. januar 2020 kl. 14.35.18 UTC+1 skrev bimlas:
>
> HC Haase
>
>
>>- Make the show/hide option tiddler specific (maybe) ??? Does anyone 
>>have an idea of the best way to do this? If I do it with a field in each 
>>tiddler, the modify-date will constantly change and that's not good.
>>
>>
> This might not be the best solution, but you could store a list of 
> tiddlers for which the option is enabled in the "list" field of a single 
> state tiddler. For example, in the 
> "$:/config/HCHaase/TOCGeneric/Visibility" state tiddler's "list" field, 
> only those tiddlers that have the option enabled or disabled would be 
> included (which do not have the default value). This would solve the 
> problem of renaming the tiddler because the "list" field is updated to the 
> new title by Tiddly. Here's how to easily see the status of an option:
>
> [[$:/config/HCHaase/TOCGeneric/Visibility]contains:list]
>
>
>
Thanks Bimlas. In the mean time i have solved it with a data tiddler. see 
new update

@Damon Pritchett


>I love your plugin. I think it's going to be very useful.


thanks


>I have a couple of questions. I noticed that when I close the lists at the 
bottom, the TW actually gets modified and the save button in the sidebar 
turns red. Might there be a way to not have this happen?


I am also wondering how to avoid that


>Also, I was wondering if it would be possible to have a configuration 
setting such that the lists could either default closed or open.


I guess so, but with the new update, the status is remembered sperately for 
every tiddler. Do that maybe sovle your issue?


>I answered my own question and took the liberty of modifying the 
ViewTemplate to use the details widget instead of a reveal button. It will 
not open and close without modifying the TW. I've included the modified 
version. 


be my guest. Hmm I don know the details widget. I will look into your mod 
soon. however take a look at the new release, where some sub headings can 
be colapsed, alot is updated.


>I was also able to position it exactly where I wanted to versus my other 
ViewTemplates and the comments by using the ViewTemplate tag pill to 
reorder things. 


Greate. Note, that the plugin now have a list-after field that position it 
after the text field. I dont know if this or the viewtemplate list wil take 
precedence.


>I also thing I know how to make it such that only certain tiddlers will be 
affected. I haven't tried this, but I've done that with other ViewTemplates.

this is fixed now with data tiddlers

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[tw5] Re: [plugin] TOC generic - shows toc,backlinks,list and listed up front