Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch or NAS
It really wouldn't make much to run the server on the Touch and house the files on an NAS. You could do better by getting an NAS with sufficient processing power and memory to run the full Squeezebox Server so you'd have such niceties as a web interface, transcoding, and plugins. If you're getting an underpowered NAS that can barely handle that then it's a tossup. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72566 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch start up time?
37 seconds to boot without a USB drive or SD card. Probably longer if it has to start up the internal server. No, it's not designed to have the power unplugged and plugged in. That's what power switches are for. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72685 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch start up time?
>You shut it down by pulling the plug, its designed for that. I'm not so sure about that. The power cable is right next to the USB socket, which is kind of awkward at best. I find inserting/extracting a USB stick quite awkward (especially as I tend to do unintended actions on the touch screen whilst turning the device around to work out what way round the USB stick is meant to be inserted). I think that pulling the power cord out and back in is going to cause a bit of wear over time. It reminds me of my ZX Spectrum days :-( I can't understand why there's still no physical device On/Off power switch. Every device in the world has one, except Squeezeboxes. TV's, HiFi equipment, mobile phones, iPods... There is a reset button, which I wasn't aware of at first - it sits just above the power socket, a tiny slightly recessed round microswitch. So if the device locks up, you can press it to power cycle, or hold in for a while to do a factory reset. But I still like to power the device off every so often, eg, when I know I'm going to be away for a week or so. ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Has the Touch release date been delayed?
erland;496229 Wrote: > I can agree with this, if I had pre-ordered the product I'd also like an > answer when it was supposed to be released. If an earlier promised date > changes I'd expect to get information about a new estimated date. > > I don't think anyone from Logitech has given a 100% promise of a > release date, but the press release contained information that most > buyers would interpret as the Touch was going to be released in December > this year. > That's the main reason I started this thread, never expected so much Logitech hatred! The pre-order page did say December though but to be honest, as long as they honour the pre-order price I paid I'll be happy getting it in Feb/March considering some retailers are taking orders for almost £300! -- dave77 Boom - Classic - Controller - Touch (on order) dave77's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=26269 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71178 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Has the Touch release date been delayed?
Actually I'm tired of this thread. We all like to have the touch as soon as possible but we also like it to be fully functional even more. Stop whining. There are much more important thing to worry about. Enjoy the (longer) journey towards the official release (that is also part of the joy). Frank -- SilverRS8 Author of -'AlbumCatalogCreator' (http://acc.vanholt.nl)- for SqueezeCenter '_' (http://www.badkamerpech.nl) SlimServer. 2xSB3, 1xDuet, 1xiPhone iPeng, Ubuntu NAS + SC, Denon PMA-1500AE + DacMagic + Monitor Audio Silver RS8 = :-) SilverRS8's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12818 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71178 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Has the Touch release date been delayed?
Is anybody else tired of seeing the overuse of the "thumbs-down" icon? I most certainly am. I'm ignoring this thread from now on - I can't take it any more. Stop feeding this troll. -- maggior Rich - Setup: 2 SB3s, 3 Booms, 1 duet, 1 receiver. SuSE 11.0 Server running SqueezeCenter 7.3.3, MusicIP, and SqueezeSlave. Current library stats: 30,015 songs, 2,448 albums, 451 artists. http://www.last.fm/user/maggior maggior's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9080 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71178 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Has the Touch release date been delayed?
DaveKen;496269 Wrote: > Really, how interesting, how relevant! > > > > As said earlier, you seem to make a point of deliberately > misunderstanding what I post - sure you're not a politician? - they > are also good at answering the question they wanted you to ask, rather > than the one you actually asked. Nobody posted anything about movies > being delayed - sure, shit happens in any business. What I posted > concerned the 'launch' of the Premier, not the movie, but I wouldn't > expect you to appreciate the difference, given your obvious mindset. > > > > > Again you misunderstand and misquote me - no one posted that your > name was 'stupid', I just suggested that it was appropriate. I didn't do > it to wound you, you appear to be impervious to criticism of yourself, > or Logitech, for that matter. > It's up to you whether you respond to this - I'll give you the last > word on the subject so that you can believe that your point of view > prevailed. > Good Night. If only it was "goodnight" I wouldn't have to emit more carbon and waste more seconds of my life reading all of this drivel. Products get delayed. Get over it. Would you rather have one that worked or not? The hardware is (and has been) finished for many months now. The software is what the user will really experience and there are so many radical changes that the first release NEEDS to be good enough. There is going to be massive noise on these forums and on the support desks when the Tocuh is finally released, simply because it is a different beast to that which has gone before. All this incessant whining and unfounded, ill-informed "opinion" is just leaves in the wind. Let it go... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... SB Touch Beta (wired) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker & Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71178 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Has the Touch release date been delayed?
snarlydwarf;496247 Wrote: > > > Considering I am actually credited in a couple of movies, Really, how interesting, how relevant! snarlydwarf;496247 Wrote: > yes, movies are routinely delayed. They have months and sometimes > -years- of delays. We have one here that has been in post production > for months. Despite all the planning and location scheduling and > shots... the detail work is very difficult to schedule. Can you say, > "ok, this scene needs better audio, it will be perfect in an hour... or > two... or three..." Setting such numbers is not possible with any sort > of reliability. As said earlier, you seem to make a point of deliberately misunderstanding what I post - sure you're not a politician? - they are also good at answering the question they wanted you to ask, rather than the one you actually asked. Nobody posted anything about movies being delayed - sure, shit happens in any business. What I posted concerned the 'launch' of the Premier, not the movie, but I wouldn't expect you to appreciate the difference, given your obvious mindset. snarlydwarf;496247 Wrote: > Gotta love the obligatory ad hominem. > "And your name is stupid, too!" > Wooo that hurts so much, you have such a sharp wit, I am wounded to the > core. Again you misunderstand and misquote me - no one posted that your name was 'stupid', I just suggested that it was appropriate. I didn't do it to wound you, you appear to be impervious to criticism of yourself, or Logitech, for that matter. It's up to you whether you respond to this - I'll give you the last word on the subject so that you can believe that your point of view prevailed. Good Night. -- DaveKen DaveKen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34139 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71178 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch start up time?
JohnSwenson;496257 Wrote: > The power draw is very similar to the SB3, about 5 watts that can go up > to 7 or so when working hard. Maybe with a USB drive attached, but when acting as a simple Squeezebox player, my beta unit (fairly early hardware build, but I don't know of significant changes in later units) only draws 2 watts RMS when idle (measured between the power supply and wall outlet), which is roughly half what an SB3 uses. The SB Touch uses less energy with its display on than a Squeezebox Receiver! -- peterw http://www.tux.org/~peterw/ Free plugins: 'AllQuiet' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/AllQuiet.html) 'Auto Dim/AutoDisplay' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/AutoDisplay.html) 'BlankSaver' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/BlankSaver.html) 'ContextMenu' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/ContextMenu.html) 'FuzzyTime' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/FuzzyTime.html) 'KidsPlay' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/KidsPlay.html) 'KitchenTimer' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/KitchenTimer.html) 'PlayLog' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/PlayLog.html) 'PowerCenter/BottleRocket' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/PowerCenter.html) 'SaverSwitcher' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SaverSwitcher.html) 'SettingsManager' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SettingsManager.html) 'SleepFade' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SleepFade.html) 'StatusFirst' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/StatusFirst.html) 'SyncOptions' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SyncOptions.html) 'VolumeLock' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/VolumeLock.html) peterw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2107 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72685 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch start up time?
If I remember correctly its something like 20 seconds to boot up, not instantaneous but not 3 minutes either. The power draw is very similar to the SB3, about 5 watts that can go up to 7 or so when working hard. It comes with a supply that can provide considerably more than this because it also has to provide power over the USB port for bus powered drives. I think the supply is rated for 15 watts max. You shut it down by pulling the plug, its designed for that. The one thing that can cause a problem is an external drive, they usually do not come with file systems that allow them to handle "pulling the plug" gracefully. There is an "eject USB drive" button for this purpose. So if you are using a drive plugged into the USB port its probably a good idea to "eject the drive" before unplugging the Touch. (even if you leave it physically connected) John S. -- JohnSwenson JohnSwenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5974 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72685 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch or NAS
snarlydwarf;496253 Wrote: > But you can do: > > mkdir /mystuff > mount -t nfs music:/exports /mystuff > ln -s /mystuff /media/whatever/the/path/is > yeah, that's what I meant. thanks, including for the caveats about nfs and smbclient. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72566 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch or NAS
aubuti;496173 Wrote: > I'm guessing that the response of the ui with a remote database will be > too slow for most people to tolerate, but there was something in post > #15 that made me think. What if the user pointed TinySBS to a music > library on an SD card or USB stick inserted in the Touch, and that music > library directory had a symlink to the network drive attached to the > router, which is manually mounted as a filesystem on the Touch as you > describe? Scanning would still be slow but at least the database > wouldn't have to traverse the network. Or do symlinks to remote mounts > not work? (I don't think I've ever tried) You obviously can't symlink to music:/exports or anything... But you can do: mkdir /mystuff mount -t nfs music:/exports /mystuff ln -s /mystuff /media/whatever/the/path/is And magically /media/whatever/the/path/is would be your remote music store. No clue if Touch supports nfs or not... or smb client. That would work on a typical linux box, though. -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72566 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch or NAS
aubuti;496173 Wrote: > I'm guessing that the response of the ui with a remote database will be > too slow for most people to tolerate, but there was something in post > #15 that made me think. What if the user pointed TinySBS to a music > library on an SD card or USB stick inserted in the Touch, and that music > library directory had a symlink to the network drive attached to the > router, which is manually mounted as a filesystem on the Touch as you > describe? Scanning would still be slow but at least the database > wouldn't have to traverse the network. Or do symlinks to remote mounts > not work? (I don't think I've ever tried) I think that could be made to work. I actually do something similar with my main SBS, the server software and database file etc are on a standard local disk and I have the music files themselves on a separate RAID array which is just linked into the main disk, it works like a charm and allows me to easily transfer the music files to a different server when I want to do so. John S. -- JohnSwenson JohnSwenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5974 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72566 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Has the Touch release date been delayed?
Just got this per e-mail from my Dutch supplier my translation 10 mins ago: "Yesterday we heard officially from Logitech that the Touch will be available not earlier than April. All back orders will be shipped at that time immediately. The Touch has not been available because they are not satisfied with the software yet. Logitech plans to ship only when the device is 100% stable" My translation of the original Dutch message: Gisteren hebben wij officieel te horen gekregen van Logitech dat de Squeezebox Touch pas vanaf april pas leverbaar zal zijn en zullen alle backorders naar klanten dan ook gelijk uitgeleverd worden. De Touch is nog niet uit omdat men nog niet tevredenis over de software. Logitech is van plan de speler pas uit te brengen op het moment dat het apparaat helemaal 100% stabiel functioneert. -- MrRalph MrRalph's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22078 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71178 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Has the Touch release date been delayed?
erland;496229 Wrote: > if I had pre-ordered the product I'd also like an answer when it was > supposed to be released. If an earlier promised date changes I'd expect > to get information about a new estimated date. > As someone who has pre-ordered, I see that the information on my order is just as it was back in October. That is that I have an invoice and no anticipated (or promised) delivery date. That's fine by me as I don't see any promise has been broken. An Amazon-style "we're sorry your order still has no delivery date, but we will keep you informed" message would be good, but I can wait. I also keep looking at the comments to http://blog.logitech.com/2009/09/03/logitech-unveils-squeezebox-radio-and-squeezebox-touch/#comments which do mention a delay to the Touch. Hopefully the February Andy has mentioned is a worldwide release date, and the April one a dealer in Europe has mentioned is a mistake. John -- testmatch testmatch's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30954 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71178 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Has the Touch release date been delayed?
DaveKen;496238 Wrote: > > I can't believe that is a serious question. Any producer of any > product needs to advise it's customer base when the product is going to > be available. they do? how far in advance? a week? a month? a year? Some companies (including Slim until recently) do not announce products until they are ready to ship. Apple routinely does this (though they have leaks and rumors, for sure). > > To use your movie analogy, imagine a West End preview being constantly > put back because the movie isn't yet fit for release, and the press and > public being repeatedly told that it will be ready when it's ready. > I can see why you chose your username - you seem to make a point of > misunderstanding the legitimate complaint and getting upset with people > who hold make such complaint - snarlydwarf indeed Considering I am actually credited in a couple of movies, yes, movies are routinely delayed. They have months and sometimes -years- of delays. We have one here that has been in post production for months. Despite all the planning and location scheduling and shots... the detail work is very difficult to schedule. Can you say, "ok, this scene needs better audio, it will be perfect in an hour... or two... or three..." Setting such numbers is not possible with any sort of reliability. This is why trailers often do not have anything more than "Coming Summer 2010"... because as much as they may want to release it for Memorial Day weekend, they realize that may not be doable for production reasons as well as for marketing reasons. (Movies are often delayed because "we want a good weekend and don't want to compete with certain other movies for opening weekend..") There has not been a specific release date of the Touch ever announced. There was an expected delivery date in December 2009... but, then, lots of movies (since you like the movie example) have expected release dates that are not met. Then they have the Official Release Date that they -are- expected to live up to. If Logitech had announced "this will ship on December 3rd!" you would have a point... but they didn't. See http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1054606/ if you believe movies are released on time. Shit Happens. Heath Ledger dies. Things get delayed. Such is life. Gotta love the obligatory ad hominem. "And your name is stupid, too!" Wooo that hurts so much, you have such a sharp wit, I am wounded to the core. -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71178 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Has the Touch release date been delayed?
snarlydwarf;496235 Wrote: > If you don't like the ship date of "when it is ready", then cancel the > preorder. It's not like you have to pay a restocking fee for unshipped > and unbilled items. Exactly. Vote with your wallet. Going through with the purchase would be like condoning this utter shambles of product management and customer relations. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71178 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Has the Touch release date been delayed?
snarlydwarf;496191 Wrote: > And you posting over and over about how unfair life is because you can > not get the release date is helpful how. And just where and when did I ever post that life is unfair? snarlydwarf;496191 Wrote: > WHY does Logitech have to give you an official release date? I can't believe > that is a serious question. Any producer of any product needs to advise it's customer base when the product is going to be available. To use your movie analogy, imagine a West End preview being constantly put back because the movie isn't yet fit for release, and the press and public being repeatedly told that it will be ready when it's ready. I can see why you chose your username - you seem to make a point of misunderstanding the legitimate complaint and getting upset with people who hold make such complaint - snarlydwarf indeed -- DaveKen DaveKen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34139 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71178 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Has the Touch release date been delayed?
mlsstl;496216 Wrote: > Snarlydwarf wrote: > > Pretty tough to take a middle-ground position around these parts. It > seems to be either "Saint Slim" or the devil incarnate. ;-) I am quite able to say Logitech has made mistakes... Go back and look. I think accepting preorders was a mistake, but given the other issues on their site, I don't think it's a mistake of "bad planning" but a totally mismanaged product listing that doesn't have a complete listing of current products, accessories, etc, and even has broken SQL queries that return strange errors. The Logitech Store even renders poorly on Firefox. A wholly different level of incompetence at work there. I'm just disgusted that some people think some magical "we design, build, test, and release" is easy to schedule. It's not. Shit happens, code complexities arise, timetables get behind This is nothing new nor specific to Logitech. It happens all the time. Hell, ask Microsoft about the Vista release timeline... or XP I wonder what sort of world these folks live in where things are so easy to predict. Getting upset about it is pointless. Complaining that "the right person" didn't give the information wanted is pointless. If you don't like the ship date of "when it is ready", then cancel the preorder. It's not like you have to pay a restocking fee for unshipped and unbilled items. If it's about "I sent $$$ off to someone and don't have my Touch!" then talk to whoever took your money or your bank. Taking money for items not yet shipped is almost always against Visa merchant rules. (There are exceptions for pre-auth charges to verify the card is good, and probably exceptions for 'custom' items such as shirts with Your Logo Here... if Visa ever allows such a thing on mass produced items, I would be surprised.) -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71178 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Has the Touch release date been delayed?
DaveKen;496179 Wrote: > > Is the launch delayed or is it not, and why is it that no one from > Logitech can OFFICIALLY be arsed to confirm what the current position > is. Surely I, as a customer who has forwarded payment for a product, am > entitled to an answer to my enquiries about likely delivery date?? > I can agree with this, if I had pre-ordered the product I'd also like an answer when it was supposed to be released. If an earlier promised date changes I'd expect to get information about a new estimated date. I don't think anyone from Logitech has given a 100% promise of a release date, but the press release contained information that most buyers would interpret as the Touch was going to be released in December this year. However, I'm pretty sure you are not going to get an official answer from the marketing division on these forums. This is a community forum and even though announcements sometimes are posted here they are mostly posted as regular press releases or through information channels directly with the customer. The first mistake, as already mentioned, was that the product was leaked earlier than intended. Due to this Logitech had to confirm it existed before they would have liked to do so. The second mistake was to actually allow pre-orders before they were 100% sure they would be able to reach the release date. The third mistake was that no one seems to have informed the customers that pre-ordered the product that they wouldn't get it at the date initially indicated. Sure, one solution would be that we get someone we can blame for all these mistakes but would that really solve the problem ? Would it really make you any happier ? What you really want is that Logitech focus on actually deliver a working Touch to your doorstep as soon as possible, right ? You have got direct information from a lead developer. I can say that my experience in the software business tells me that it's very rare that a product is released earlier compared to when a developer indicates it's going to be released. So even though this forum/developer isn't the optimal channel for information, I'm pretty sure you can base your decision on that the Touch won't be released before late January. It might be later but I'm pretty sure it won't be any earlier than that. Unless Logitech does some major mistakes I'm also pretty sure it will be released before summer 2010. While you are waiting, Logitech still has the top streaming music players on the market available for purchase in Squeezebox Classic, Boom and Radio. I have them all and I'm very satisfied with them all. I'm also a beta tester of the Touch and I can say that it has huge potential to be a great success, so it's worth waiting for if you select to not get a Classic, Boom or Radio. I can also say that the experience is greatly enhanced when you have several of them, I didn't realize the advantage of getting access to the music in several rooms before I got my second one. -- erland Erland Isaksson 'My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info) (Install my plugins through Extension Downloader) (Developer of 'TrackStat, SQLPlayList, DynamicPlayList, Custom Browse, Custom Scan, Custom Skip, Multi Library, Title Switcher and Database Query plugins' (http://wiki.erland.isaksson.info/index.php/Category:SlimServer)) erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71178 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Has the Touch release date been delayed?
Well many in the forum still have to work out that Mt View is over, and will be closed soon. Mr Adams and his senior team no longer manage the business, so life is very different. Culture and processes are changing. Once the Touch is released we might see some more friendly and stable views. Dave -- DaveWr DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71178 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Has the Touch release date been delayed?
Snarlydwarf wrote:> A total waste of hot air. No wonder we have global warming. Pretty tough to take a middle-ground position around these parts. It seems to be either "Saint Slim" or the devil incarnate. ;-) -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71178 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Has the Touch release date been delayed?
alfista;496190 Wrote: > > I'd like to turn things around, rather than complaining about the delay > it seems like the actual fault may have been to make it available for > pre-order. I do agree that those who have ordered and paid should be > notified about any changes in deliver plans that occur after placing the > order. If anyone has actually been charged and not received product they should talk to their bank. (Pre-auth/reversed charges don't count. Even gas stations often probe your account with a preauth charge, banks should drop those quickly, though some like leaving them sitting around for 2 days, but that's the bank sucking..) As for the Logitech Store site... well, that needs serious work in general. Missing products, broken links, broken HTML, "REPLACE THIS IMAGE" images, etc Alas, no one reading this forum can do much about that except complain to corporate. It's broken beyond pre-ordering. (Heck, they may not have even intended to make it pre-orderable... as I recalls someone here got an apology almost immediately after attempting to preorder that they had made a mistake and didn't mean that.) That sites so broken, I don't even know where to place the blame (though, again, no one in Mt View has a thing to do with that mess..) -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71178 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Has the Touch release date been delayed?
First customers who have pre-ordered and paid deserve some indications as to completion of the contractual arrangement. If the answer is "we don't know yet" that should be provided. Second, any professionally run organization should have a managed schedule for a product design, test and release cycle. Currently with no comment, it looks as though we are entering the "it will be ready when its ready". Not a very comfortable/credible position. In fairness to Logitech they will be losing significant sales, as they have effectively killed the SB3 but there is no Touch. I am sure they are focussed on resolving the situation. -- DaveWr DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71178 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Has the Touch release date been delayed?
mlsstl;496207 Wrote: > > I can't think of any movies where I bought a ticket months before it > came out. I've never purchased a ticket more than an hour in advance... > > I think that's the one true mistake Logitech made. When they took > pre-release orders for the product, they created an obligation for > themselves to keep those people apprised. Even though in most cases they > didn't charge credit cards immediately, it is important to some people > to have a reasonable idea when a charge will hit their card. They shouldn't have charges on any cards (they may pre-auth, but they're not allowed to charge until shipping time). This is standard Visa/MC rules... As for keeping people notified, I would assume "your Touch is about to be shipped!" mail would go out when things are clear. > > Yes, it is just a consumer product and it'll get here when it gets > here, but I think it is safe to suggest this whole thing could have been > handled better. > Lots of things could be handled better: complaining over and over about not getting any feedback, and then when the person Most Likely To Be Able to Estimate current status and how much more is needed states, to the best of his knowledge, when he expects to be able to say "go" on the product... people complain because it should come from some Official Logitech Product Release Coordination Manager or some such is just asinine. Why on earth anyone would rather hear from some marketing weasel instead of a developer is beyond me. Why they would then dismiss totally the feedback they asked for because it wasn't from someone in Marketing, I don't know... > > Now that the soap opera "As The World Turns" is going off the air, this > has certainly made an interesting replacement. ;-) More like The Sound and the Fury... A tale told by.. Well, look up the rest of the citation. A total waste of hot air. No wonder we have global warming. -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71178 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Has the Touch release date been delayed?
snarlydwarf wrote: > WHY does Logitech have to give you an official release date? Should I > demand movie companies tell me the release dates of movies in final > production? I can't think of any movies where I bought a ticket months before it came out. I think that's the one true mistake Logitech made. When they took pre-release orders for the product, they created an obligation for themselves to keep those people apprised. Even though in most cases they didn't charge credit cards immediately, it is important to some people to have a reasonable idea when a charge will hit their card. I'm not a pre-order customer, but it seems pretty clear to me that Logitech hasn't done a very good job of keeping those people informed. Everything else is just a public relations issue. There is always a danger in having a "buzz" about a product that fails to meet an anticipated schedule. And, to be honest, Logitech created that anticipated schedule themselves when they "expected" release this December. It is just like poker. You think you have a pretty good hand and bet accordingly. And then sometimes you lose. So I think it is pretty honest appraisal to state that things haven't gone the way Logitech originally planned. My opinion is they complicated the situation when they procrastinated in publicly acknowledging the delay. That just hasn't been handled well. There's been a post or two in these forums from a Logitech employee stating it is now a February 2010 release but you still don't see any info on their main web page for the Touch and - I may be wrong - it still doesn't sound like they've officially notified the individual pre-order buyers. Yes, it is just a consumer product and it'll get here when it gets here, but I think it is safe to suggest this whole thing could have been handled better. Now that the soap opera "As The World Turns" is going off the air, this has certainly made an interesting replacement. ;-) -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71178 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Has the Touch release date been delayed?
DaveKen;496179 Wrote: > It IS a matter of a business treating it's customers with the respect > that they deserve. Forget about me and my problems, get back on topic > and comment on the lack of an OFFICIAL release date for the Touch. If > you have no comments to make on THAT subject then say nothing. And you posting over and over about how unfair life is because you can not get the release date is helpful how. Life is not fair. WHY does Logitech have to give you an official release date? Should I demand movie companies tell me the release dates of movies in final production? Would you rather have a release date and forced deadline where a product ships that isn't ready? Or would you want a release date of "when we feel it is stable enough"? Seems to me that the -second- shows more respect to the customer, more of an attempt to meet the customers needs. If I worked for Logitech, I would tell you the release date of the touch is December 19th, 2230, although that may be pushed up if it was ready sooner. It would give the the date you think is meaningful, though for some reason I don't think you'd be satisified. -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71178 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Has the Touch release date been delayed?
DaveKen;496179 Wrote: > I give up !!! No one needs to have "first hand information" to reach the > conclusion that the Touch 'team', if it can be called a team, is > disfunctional - the fact is self evident. Please stop attacking me for > stating an obvious truth, IMHO, it is not me that this thread is about. > it is the delay in the launch of the Touch. Well, if you (like I) don't know what their objective is and don't know if they're on track or how the work progresses, then I don't know how you can determine whether they are dysfunctional or not. DaveKen;496179 Wrote: > Incidentally, if no one from Logitech has issued a launch date, then > there is no delay and this whole thread is pointless.No official launch date > that I'm aware of, so DaveKen;496179 Wrote: > Is the launch delayed or is it not, and why is it that no one from > Logitech can OFFICIALLY be arsed to confirm what the current position > is. Surely I, as a customer who has forwarded payment for a product, am > entitled to an answer to my enquiries about likely delivery date??I'd like to > turn things around, rather than complaining about the delay it seems like the actual fault may have been to make it available for pre-order. I do agree that those who have ordered and paid should be notified about any changes in deliver plans that occur after placing the order. -- alfista alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71178 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Has the Touch release date been delayed?
alfista;496171 Wrote: > > Maybe you're right, unlike you I don't have that kind of first hand > information about the situation within Logitech. I give up !!! No one needs to have "first hand information" to reach the conclusion that the Touch 'team', if it can be called a team, is disfunctional - the fact is self evident. Please stop attacking me for stating an obvious truth, IMHO, it is not me that this thread is about. it is the delay in the launch of the Touch. Incidentally, if no one from Logitech has issued a launch date, then there is no delay and this whole thread is pointless. Is the launch delayed or is it not, and why is it that no one from Logitech can OFFICIALLY be arsed to confirm what the current position is. Surely I, as a customer who has forwarded payment for a product, am entitled to an answer to my enquiries about likely delivery date?? It is not a matter of life or death, my life will, hopefully proceed unaffected by if and when my Touch is delivered. It IS a matter of a business treating it's customers with the respect that they deserve. Forget about me and my problems, get back on topic and comment on the lack of an OFFICIAL release date for the Touch. If you have no comments to make on THAT subject then say nothing. -- DaveKen DaveKen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34139 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71178 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Has the Touch release date been delayed?
DaveKen;496129 Wrote: > ...otherwise the company can continue to do exactly what Logitech are > doing, namely hide behind the statement that they have not missed any > launch date because they've never officially issued one. Show me one place where a Logitech employee has said that. Maybe it's out there, but I haven't seen it. I know that I have pointed the lack of date-certain for the release. But that's not as an employee (because I don't work for them), but as a consumer who is used to reading between the lines and not betting my happiness on a music player that is "expected in December." -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71178 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch or NAS
JohnSwenson;496069 Wrote: > So if you are willing to manually set things up and live with the > limitations of a remote database there is nothing stopping you from > doing so. Go for it. I'm guessing that the response of the ui with a remote database will be too slow for most people to tolerate, but there was something in post #15 that made me think. What if the user pointed TinySBS to a music library on an SD card or USB stick inserted in the Touch, and that music library directory had a symlink to the network drive attached to the router, which is manually mounted as a filesystem on the Touch as you describe? Scanning would still be slow but at least the database wouldn't have to traverse the network. Or do symlinks to remote mounts not work? (I don't think I've ever tried) -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72566 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Has the Touch release date been delayed?
DaveKen;496129 Wrote: > I have spent 50 years working in the manufacturing industry,in fairly > high level positions, picking up ideas on how they function on the way. > Basically, the management board devise the strategy, make someone > responsible for making it happen and allocate the resources (financial, > physical and personnel) to facilitate this. > The normal way this functions is that Developers get on with > developing, not with stopping developing to respond to forum questions > - no wonder everything is running later and later. The person > responsible for executing the strategy creates a team with the aim of > everything coming together at an agreed date. The Sales and Marketing > guys then do their bit with the aim of getting the market poised to > respond on the agreed date (possibly plus a contingency period). A thorough description of a development procedure under which there never would have been a Slim Device to begin with. DaveKen;496129 Wrote: > It's all about creating a team that works and what Logitech have created > for the Touch is a disfunctional 'team' and a complete shambles. Maybe you're right, unlike you I don't have that kind of first hand information about the situation within Logitech. -- alfista alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71178 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Has the Touch release date been delayed?
AudioFrog;496135 Wrote: > People! The complaints here show just how materialistic and impatient > our society is. It's just a music player. Do you not have an MP3 player > or a CD player already? Is your life at a point where your biggest worry > is when you can get your Touch? Do you not have other hobbies or > interests? Do you think the Touch would be important to you if you lost > your job tomorrow or if a family member became sick? Grow up and get > your priorities straight. It's just a plastic box with a screen, nothing > magical. Hi AudioFrog, We're not discussing my problems here, several though there may be :-). If you want to do that, start another thread :-), and I'll do my best to contribute constructively - I may even benefit from it, who knows? Logitech have a problem with the release of the Touch, that is an undeniable fact, to try to pretend otherwise is crazy, so let's get back on topic. IMHO it's doing neither Logitech or their customer base any favours by ignoring the problem. In the absence of reliable OFFICIAL information the rumour mongers will flourish and none of the rumours will be helpful to either. The answer is simple: - Logitech should come out and come clean, OFFICIALLY, and announce a release date that customers can make a buying decision on, even if that is Christmas 2010 or 2011. The fact that they can't and/or won't suggests that events are controlling them rather than the other way round. Shambles I call it, shambles. Bah humbug!!! Disgruntled of Sheffield. -- DaveKen DaveKen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34139 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71178 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] Touch start up time?
I'm thinking of getting a Touch as I like the idea of not having to keep my PC on all the time (I'm considering a Sheevaplug + SB3 from Ebay as another option). If the Touch runs linux, then presumably you have to wait for it to boot up when you turn it on. How long does this take? I don't want to have to leave my Touch turned on all the time because it takes 3 minutes to start up. How much power does it consume? I've looked, but can't see this information. Slightly less important, presumably it has to be shut down politely too, and can't just be flicked off at the wall? -- mecouc mecouc's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=227 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=72685 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Has the Touch release date been delayed?
People! The complaints here show just how materialistic and impatient our society is. It's just a music player. Do you not have an MP3 player or a CD player already? Is your life at a point where your biggest worry is when you can get your Touch? Do you not have other hobbies or interests? Do you think the Touch would be important to you if you lost your job tomorrow or if a family member became sick? Grow up and get your priorities straight. It's just a plastic box with a screen, nothing magical. -- AudioFrog AudioFrog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9568 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71178 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Has the Touch release date been delayed?
mherger;496100 Wrote: > > > Get over it, lay back and enjoy the music. > > Michael That's exactly what I would like to do, if only I could get my Touch. -- DaveKen DaveKen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34139 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71178 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Has the Touch release date been delayed?
erland;496041 Wrote: > Have you tried calling your retailer where you pre-ordered the product > ? > That would be the logical place for Logitech to make official > information available. This is just a community forum where some members > of the Logitech team happens to be moderators and members in. > > If you want a accurate date, you can't get a better one than from one > of the lead developers who really knows what's left to do. > > If you want an official date, you really need to contact the retailer > that let you pre-order the product. I suppose this would be some > Logitech sales person of some kind. This sales person would also be the > logical place to forward your complaints to, but I suppose you have > already done this ? Hi Erland, First, my order was placed DIRECTLY with Logitech - you should try contacting them as a customer and see what response you get - believe me it isn't a very enlightening experience. But that is missing the point - as a customer who has ordered a product and forwarded payment for it, is owed, at the very least, reliable information on it's delivery, and this information should be supplied automatically and not have to be begged for. I have spent 50 years working in the manufacturing industry,in fairly high level positions, picking up ideas on how they function on the way. Basically, the management board devise the strategy, make someone responsible for making it happen and allocate the resources (financial, physical and personnel) to facilitate this. The normal way this functions is that Developers get on with developing, not with stopping developing to respond to forum questions - no wonder everything is running later and later. The person responsible for executing the strategy creates a team with the aim of everything coming together at an agreed date. The Sales and Marketing guys then do their bit with the aim of getting the market poised to respond on the agreed date (possibly plus a contingency period). Apparently there is no problem with the hardware so the Production guys have done what they should. It's all about creating a team that works and what Logitech have created for the Touch is a disfunctional 'team' and a complete shambles. It is not the job of a developer, no matter how senior or 'in the know', to provide product release dates. That is the job of an official 'public face' of the company, otherwise the company can continue to do exactly what Logitech are doing, namely hide behind the statement that they have not missed any launch date because they've never officially issued one. The release of the Touch has been a complete and utter shambles and for anyone to try and protest otherwise is ridiculous, IMHO. -- DaveKen DaveKen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34139 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71178 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
