Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Hmnnn..any reason why my box might have been resealed at the factory??
Most commen thing is a QC check -- Bullitdodger 1 x Transporter, 2 x Receiver, 2 x Boom and 2 x Controllers:-) Intel Atom-330 and a Samsung 750GB HDD. Yes I am happy. Bullitdodger's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37225 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78198 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch behaving odd - advice appreciated
Thanks Toby10, The signal strenght was 50%. I moved the touch to a new location, signal strenght is now 78%. But the problem is still there. Let me give you another example. I have the files from my usb running. Then I go to my home menu. There is the option of hitting Internetradio. I do that, and radios play fine. But the options of hitting apps or Favourites are blanked out. If I hit apps I get the message saying my login to mysb.com is wrong. If I hit Favourites I am told it is empty. But if you shut down sbs and manually select mysb.com, then internet radio is fine again. I find it very strange... the only conclusion I can find is, that SBS is in conflict with mysb.com in some way. But, as you point out, other user do not experience this. -- Amagerland Amagerland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37894 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78206 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Does Touch support Apple Lossless or not
There is a bug in 7.5.0 with Apple Lossless decoding on servers so it affects all players. Upgrade to 7.5.1. and this fixes it for most users although not all and so there is a bug open requesting samples of offending files. Native support is supposed to supported in Touch but there is a bug or performance issue with native decoder so native support is disabled by default in current versions. If you want to see if you encounter the bug or not, I believe you can enable native support by uncommenting a line in convert.conf and restarting SBS -- bpa bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78219 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Experiencing Touch for a couple of days
To PAA, I have been posting about a similar problem - switching between usb/sd playback and internet radio. It isn't working. Your description is very exact. I would like to hear from more user: is this what we can expect. Is there no fix? I bought the Touch specifically because it do not want my computer running as a server. -- Amagerland Amagerland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37894 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78211 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue ( Solution!)
I have been following this thread very carefully, because I was very interested in the Touch abilities to read 24/96 files and to go without a PC (by using Tiny SC), and unfortunately, I am experiencing serious problems with that configuration, when using an external HDD (but not when using a USB stick). Here are my findings (when using Tiny SC to read 24/96 files) : 1) The configuration with constant rebuffering problems (so completely unusable) is when connecting my LaCie d2 quadra 1.5 To HDD, which is FAT32 formatted, and which contains for the moment 1200 albums (approximately 16000 flac files, 400 GB used). Here is an extract of the top command results in that configuration : Mem: 123516K used, 2308K free, 0K shrd, 84K buff, 36144K cached CPU: 59% usr 4% sys 33% nic 0% idle 0% io 1% irq 0% sirq Load average: 1.91 1.61 1.13 2/83 2543 PID PPID USER STAT VSZ %MEM %CPU COMMAND 696 1 root S36420 29% 49% /usr/bin/jive 840 1 root R N 54932 44% 25% /usr/bin/perl /usr/squeezecenter/slimserver.pl --charset utf8 --noweb --notranscoding --nosb1slimp3sync --nostatistics --noinfolog --nodebuglog --log 716 696 root S 7040 6% 11% jive_alsa -d default -c default -b 2 -p 2 -s 24 -f 1 9 2 root SW 0 0% 5% [sirq-tasklet/0] 715 696 root S 7104 6% 4% jive_alsa -d plughw:2,0 -b 2 -p 2 -s 16 -f 2 742 2 root SW 0 0% 1% [usb-storage] 2214 2213 root R 2724 2% 1% top 49 2 root SW 0 0% 1% [IRQ-34] 2210 639 root S 2528 2% 0% dropbear -i 5 2 root SW 0 0% 0% [sirq-timer/0] 7 2 root SW 0 0% 0% [sirq-net-rx/0] 2) I then tried another configuration, by using a 4GB USB stick (containing of course only a couple of albums...), with the same problematic 24/96 files, and I had absolutely no problem when reading those files (apart from the very beginning of the first track). Here is an extract of the top command results in that configuration : Mem: 123528K used, 2296K free, 0K shrd, 200K buff, 43900K cached CPU: 56% usr 7% sys 0% nic 29% idle 5% io 0% irq 0% sirq Load average: 1.41 1.27 0.66 2/83 1053 PID PPID USER STAT VSZ %MEM %CPU COMMAND 689 1 root S35500 28% 40% /usr/bin/jive 716 689 root S 7040 6% 10% jive_alsa -d default -c default -b 2 -p 2 -s 24 -f 1 715 689 root S 7104 6% 4% jive_alsa -d plughw:2,0 -b 2 -p 2 -s 16 -f 2 9 2 root SW 0 0% 4% [sirq-tasklet/0] 952 1 root S N 49088 39% 4% /usr/bin/perl /usr/squeezecenter/slimserver.pl --charset utf8 --noweb --notranscoding --nosb1slimp3sync - 825 2 root SW 0 0% 1% [usb-storage] 49 2 root SW 0 0% 1% [IRQ-34] 816 815 root R 2724 2% 1% top 812 639 root S 2528 2% 0% dropbear -i 5 2 root SW 0 0% 0% [sirq-timer/0] 7 2 root SW 0 0% 0% [sirq-net-rx/0] So, I would like to find where is the problem when reading the files from my 1.5 To HDD. Is it the amount of files ? Is the HDD not fast enough (it is a recent 7200 rpm model) ? Should I change my USB cable (It is a standard 1.5 m cable) ? I must add that I have no problem when reading these 24/96 files from a similar 1.5 To HDD formatted in HFS+, with the external server running on a Mac (in a wired configuration). When examining the traces of the top command, I noticed that the perl slimserver.pl command was using a great memory amount, and a great CPU amount in the problematic configuration. When reading the others posts in this thread, I saw mentions of the jive command, but not of this perl command. Could that be the problem ? Again, any help would be greatly appreciated... -- rotho rotho's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33493 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77080 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Using touch with RipNas
Yes it comes preconfigured with SB7.* but I know see there is something called the Vortexbox appliance which will do the same thing for less than half the price of the RipNas (and apparently connect via network cable?) although it is not as pretty. Essentially I want something I can rip straight into that will connect directly to the Touch. Any other suggestions? -- treo treo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37972 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78208 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Does Touch support Apple Lossless or not
agentsmith;542808 Wrote: Having problems with Squeeze server running on Linux, Mac OS and Windows with the Touch not recognizing many of the Apple Lossless files, gives an error of cannot open file. From the Touch Wiki it states that Touch supports Apple Lossless natively rather than having to transcode form the server side. What gives? First you MUST Upgrade to 7.5.1 - if that doesn't work, disable Native playback in FileTypes - there are issues with Native ALAC that hopefully will be fixed soon. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78219 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue ( Solution!)
mkt;542785 Wrote: Is this the correct way to go to PCM streaming? Server settings - Advanced - File types Code: File Format Stream Format Decoder FLACFLACDisabled MP3 flac/lame PCM flac I did this but it seems to be down-converting. Via iPeng More Info, it says file format FLAC, bitrate 2725kbps VBR (Converted to 1411.2kpbs ABR). A little more searching in the forums gives that the converted info is bogus. Can anyone confirm that? Also the converted bitrate is always (Converted to 1411.2kbps ABR) regardless of the input. In any case, the above seems to get rid of the skips, be it by reducing CPU load or down-sampling. Ignore the bitrates - they are a complete red herring. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77080 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue ( Solution!)
John S I, like many others above, are actually wired with the issue not wireless. I resolve with streaming PCM. So, wouldn't it suggest a decoding /cpu issue? Whilst streaming pcm to the wired Touch is OK, it does mean that I have to stream pcm to the other SB's in my house which then takes up more bandwidth. That's not often an issue but it does mean that a proper technical solution for this issue would be better to have. 96/24 playback was the defining feature of the Touch for me so I do hope it is given some attention at HQ. -- ncpl ncpl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6305 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77080 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Experiencing Touch for a couple of days
RadioClash;542809 Wrote: You can live with stutters when changing tracks? Are you kidding me? I said OCASSIONAL.Not much different to using something like a Chord DAC64,which buffers for several seconds every time you change tracks.The stutter I am getting is just a few seconds silence before the track plays,and this is only now and again.As I said,I can live with that. -- Ali Tait Ali Tait's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37387 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78211 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Experiencing Touch for a couple of days
I am running a touch feed by ethernet via a vortexbox and controlled by ipeng iPod app and loving it. I bought it purely for the hi Rez capability, don't use its touch screen or it's server. Sound quality is superb ( feeding coax to mf v-dac). I think that this is one of the most cost effective ways into hi Rez music. Don't give up on the touch yet, it's early days and as we know from the other squeezebox products the software is improving with each release. -- c3p0 c3p0's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20721 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78211 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue ( Solution!)
JohnSwenson;542795 Wrote: Its definitely NOT downsampling. Yes you did it right. So if that fixes it, are you working well now? John S. Yep, PCM streaming with not skips. Thanks! -- mkt mkt's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14921 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77080 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Rescan SBS from Touch Interface
Thanks for that at least I can stop looking. Does seem very silly to leave out such a core function -- Paul_B Paul Squeeze Server 7.5 for Windows Home Server on Custom Intel Atom MoBo SB3 (x1), SBB (Squeezebox Boom) x1, SBR (Squeezebox Radio with battery) x1, SBT (Squeezebox Touch) RIP - dBpowerAMP R13 to FLAC ID3 Tags - MP3Tag v2.41 Paul_B's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3039 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78177 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Rescan SBS from Touch Interface
Thanks for that at least I can stop looking. Does seem very silly to leave out such a core function -- Paul_B Paul Squeeze Server 7.5 for Windows Home Server on Custom Intel Atom MoBo SB3 (x1), SBB (Squeezebox Boom) x1, SBR (Squeezebox Radio with battery) x1, SBT (Squeezebox Touch) RIP - dBpowerAMP R13 to FLAC ID3 Tags - MP3Tag v2.41 Paul_B's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3039 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78177 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch behaving odd - advice appreciated
What version FW is your Touch? What version SBS did you use to update Touch FW? Beta versions of SBS point to a different test-MySB server so I wonder if that is where your Touch might be getting confused. No MySB account is needed for the Internet Radio menu items. Few things to check: - Verify your MySB login info is correct on Touch (unfortunately this is not easy to do). - When Touch is connected to MySB, log into your MySB account with your computer, go to Players and verify Touch is actually connected to that account. - Use MySB Remote Control to try controlling your Touch. - See if your station Favorites are correctly listed on this web UI. -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78206 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Experiencing Touch for a couple of days
Yes indeed,I'm sure the issue will be resolved. -- Ali Tait Ali Tait's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37387 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78211 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Hmnnn..any reason why my box might have been resealed at the factory??
Bullitdodger;542830 Wrote: Most commen thing is a QC check Yeah, that would be my guess. Or as Mark suggested possibly to update the FW to the release version. However, if this is the case, one would think they would take some simple steps to prevent such customer service issues. Inspect it prior to placing final seal on the box? Insert a simple QC note to explain why the box was opened? -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78198 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue ( Solution!)
ncpl;542862 Wrote: 96/24 playback was the defining feature of the Touch for me so I do hope it is given some attention at HQ. And it works - as you have seen! What level of FLAC compression are these flacs? - if at -8, reflac them to -5 or less... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77080 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] Standalone Touch
I've just bought Touch decided to join this nice Forum. Thanks all for sharing information. I am still at testing stage, first impressions are very good, however more i would share soon. One nice thing is volume control over optical TOS cable - never seen before but this is quite useful! Unfortunately i have small problem: Principally i would like to use touch as music player from USB - TOS (S/PDIF), so i do not need permanent internet access. Actually i do not have possibility to keep connection 24/365. But without being online Touch looses a lot. No screen savers and even lack of possibility to switch it off! Is there any possibility (except the one in the initial options work without connection) to run it in offline mode and predefine things like shutdown=screen of (after certain time, or a song) or at least to display a photo (dimmed display)? -- Zibi Zibi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37980 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78232 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch behaving odd - advice appreciated
toby10;542732 Wrote: Touch's inbuilt server can play Internet Radio and Music Services just fine, without needing to switch it to MySB.com. You should not need to shut down the inbuilt server for such playback. This doesn't seem to work in the UK at the moment. There is a bug http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16105 which seems to affect the UK, which means you have to 'force' the Touch to mySB by using Settings/Advanced/Networking/Switch to mySB. That route may be less hassle than shutting down the internal server. Amagerland, where, in the world, are you experiencing the problem? -- DigitalMitch 2 * SB3, 1 * Boom, 2 * SBR, 1 * Radio and 1 * Touch controlled by IR, SBC [and iPeng on iPhone - wifi died!!] 7.5.0 on WHS on HP MediaSmart (EX470) upgraded to 2G RAM http://www.last.fm/user/digimich DigitalMitch's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15999 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78206 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Serving more than 2 additional squeezeboxes
I'd proceed with extreme caution. My Touch struggles to serve to one radio and one receiver (the streaming half of the duet) as well as itself. It will rarely work well with just one other unit. I think many of my problems may be down to large collection 20,000 FLAC and the fact that this is all wireless. I am hoping that some improvements will come over time. The Touch server is very Squeezed and so extra load can degrade performance, e.g. using picture viewer or the fancy Now playing displays when pushing the limit. So, based on my experience below the recommended limit, I think you may also struggle. That said, when driven by a p.c. or server based SBS, it is fantastic. So get them and use as controller/players (looks like you've got the computers to host full SBS). -- DigitalMitch 2 * SB3, 1 * Boom, 2 * SBR, 1 * Radio and 1 * Touch controlled by IR, SBC [and iPeng on iPhone - wifi died!!] 7.5.0 on WHS on HP MediaSmart (EX470) upgraded to 2G RAM http://www.last.fm/user/digimich DigitalMitch's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15999 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78199 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] Number of Players
The wiki says: Music server for a network with up to 2 additional players in the Squeezebox family -- Classic, Transporter, Boom, Duet, Radio, and Touch ...but I have 4 SBRadios and the Touch working fine. -- Tony T Tony T's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34544 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78234 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] Using Touch with stand alone NAS drive
New Touch User, is it possible to connect Touch directly to NAS drive on home wireless network containing music files whilst computer is switched off? Using mapped Buffalo NAS drive connected to router. Only way i can access my music on the touch is with squeezebox server running on computer. Thanks. -- Sirdi Sirdi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37981 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78235 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Experiencing Touch for a couple of days
Amagerland;542844 Wrote: To PAA, I have been posting about a similar problem - switching between usb/sd playback and internet radio. It isn't working. Your description is very exact. I would like to hear from more user: is this what we can expect. Is there no fix? I bought the Touch specifically because it do not want my computer running as a server. Same problems here, Amagerland. As far as I'm concerned, switching between USB drive, SD card and internet radio should be seamless. Right now its not. -- carib carib's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34240 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78211 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Experiencing Touch for a couple of days
Paa;542748 Wrote: First, I have to say that I have a SB3, which has been working extremely well for the last years. It's certainly the best audio kit I have ever bought, and I had bought a lot. So I have been eagerly waiting for the Touch, especially because of the embedded server and 24/94 capability. Unfortunately, I have to say I'm having an horrible experience: - I have an external drive with 120GB of music (with its own power supply). The embedded server fails, I would say, 4 out of 5 times it tries to scan the drive. Most of the times it blocks for no obvious reason. No error messages, nothing I agree. The Touch - used as a player with an external server - works fine and gives superb audio quality. While I was able to successfully use the internal server with a 2GB flash drive, I've yet for it to fully scan my external USB drive with 46,000 songs without crashing (and I've tried 2 different drives.) The biggest frustration for me is that they delayed release four months to fix the internal server so that things would be perfect for the mass market consumer. Given the widespread problems with the internal server after that long delay, I'd sure hate to think just how persnickety Tiny SBS was last December! -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78211 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Using Touch with stand alone NAS drive
What you propose will only work if you have SBS running on the Buffalo NAS. The Touch has a built-in SBS, but it will only access external USB drives or SD memory card directly connected to the Touch. The Touch's built-in SBS will not reach across the network to grab files from a NAS. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78235 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Rescan SBS from Touch Interface
Mnyb;542724 Wrote: And why deliberately keep UI inconsistencies between players ? Transporter SB3/2 and Boom can trigger a scan on the server but not radio,controller and Touch. So either remove it from the old players or add it to the new players. I agree with the idea that rescanning from the SBC/Radio/Touch would be nice (although to be honest, I can't remember the last time I wanted to trigger a rescan from a player). But I completely disagree with your lowest-common-denominator of that last statement. Why take out functionality that is useful? What if a user doesn't have any SqueezeOS device -- they should suddenly lose a feature? That makes no sense. The systems are different and they will never appear exactly the same, so forcing a near-consistency seems backwards to me, especially when it means removing features. Also, isn't rescan implemented as a plugin? If so, then users who are really bothered by having a featuer on an ip3k player that isn't on a SqueezeOS player can remove it from the old players at their discretion, rather than Logitech eliminating the feature wholesale. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78177 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Rescan SBS from Touch Interface
.and to further confuse things I think people who use the SBS rescan from older players to their full SBS running on their computer will assume that Touch's start/stop SBS will perform this same function. Those using Touch's inbuilt server will know this, but I'll bet those using full SBS will assume otherwise. This is why I've suggested that Touch's inbuilt server should be renamed. As it stands now, when using a Touch in the network, SBS stands for both the Touch's limited inbuilt server (TinySC?) and the full SBS 7.5 computer server. -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78177 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch behaving odd - advice appreciated
I am based in Denmark. I just read the thread. Apparently the problem is well known. But earlier today I phoned Logitech support. He told the problems was due to a hardware failure. I now have an email from Logitech telling me to return the item. -- Amagerland Amagerland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37894 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78206 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Hmnnn..any reason why my box might have been resealed at the factory??
According to the legend, they were stacked up in warehouses for a long time before shipping, perhaps that made it necessary to modify the contents of the boxes. Printed material that had become outdated maybe? Or maybe the content differs between markets (e g power adapters) and that box was initially intended for another market. Or maybe... Oh well, there are numerous possibilities. -- alfista alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78198 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Serving more than 2 additional squeezeboxes
I use Touch's inbuilt server to connect four players. Touch, Boom, SB3, Radio. It's an odd beast this TinySC as it will allow all four players to stream for days without a hiccup, but then will crash numerous times in one day. Stability seems to be much better when Touch is not currently streaming, but all three connected players are streaming from Touch. I can only surmise that the Touch's screens (Now Playing visualizers) are just too CPU intensive, causing such crashes. Most recent example: Been streaming Internet Radio Music Services via TinySC for the past four days without a hiccup. I've played with several usage scenarios (synced, not synced, Music Services, 320k streams) - Touch is in standby (utilizing the Daylight Clock screensaver), using WiFi - Radio Boom streaming 24/7, both using WiFi - SB3 streaming few hours per day, wired -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78199 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Hmnnn..any reason why my box might have been resealed at the factory??
After spending 10 years in high-tech manufacturing, there's a whole host of reasons to either singly or mass-open boxes of new stuff. Don't sweat it - a factory seal is a factory seal. Sending it back just puts you in the pool of open-box disappointments - 1% DOA, .5% scratched, (whatever), etc.. MY guess was for firmware update prior to shipment. The Touch was really delayed, due to software. There were probably a bunch that were made risk-shippable to keep the factory running, and someone determined the risk was too great, so a pallet or 2 needed to be reflashed. Put it this way - your unit's been through extra QA! :-) -Dan -- plympton plympton's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12955 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78198 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Hmnnn..any reason why my box might have been resealed at the factory??
plympton wrote: After spending 10 years in high-tech manufacturing. Sending it back just puts you in the pool of open-box disappointments - 1% DOA, .5% scratched, (whatever), etc.. One of the amazing facts about modern electronic product manufacturing and customer support is that nearly all returns are for perfectly working products. Sure, the 1 % DOA and a part of one percent cosmetically imperfect numbers are there, but that leaves about 98%. Usually, of that 98 percent, 95% or so are perfect when tested. I don't understand the human psychology that causes folks to return good goods. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Hmnnn..any reason why my box might have been resealed at the factory??
alfista;542937 Wrote: According to the legend, they were stacked up in warehouses for a long time before shipping, perhaps that made it necessary to modify the contents of the boxes. Printed material that had become outdated maybe? Or maybe the content differs between markets (e g power adapters) and that box was initially intended for another market. Or maybe... Oh well, there are numerous possibilities. Think that you might be onto something with the power adapter plate thing. Mickey said that EU demand was higher then Logitech forecast it would be. So opening a box to change the adapter plate to make it an EU unit might have something to it. Are all the guys with double factory seals from the EU? As to the question if it was for firmware update, I highly doubt it. One reason the Touch needs an Internet connection at setup is for firmware update. And again, if its a factory, I think there is not much to worry about. Its to soon for any type of return to be back into the system. -- iPhone *iPhone* Media Room: Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, Vandersteen Speakers: Quatro Mains, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Video: Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1 Living Room: Duet, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Kitchen: Squeezebox BOOM Bedroom: Second Boom Bathroom: Squeezebox Radio Ford Thunderbird: Duet, Mac Mini Ford Expedition: SB Touch, USB drive iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78198 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Hmnnn..any reason why my box might have been resealed at the factory??
alfista;542937 Wrote: According to the legend, they were stacked up in warehouses for a long time before shipping, perhaps that made it necessary to modify the contents of the boxes. Printed material that had become outdated maybe? Or maybe the content differs between markets (e g power adapters) and that box was initially intended for another market. Or maybe... Oh well, there are numerous possibilities. Think that you might be onto something with the power adapter plate thing. Mickey said that EU demand was higher then Logitech forecast it would be. So opening a box to change the adapter plate to make it an EU unit might have something to it. Are all the guys with double factory seals from the EU? As to the question if it was for firmware update, I highly doubt it. One reason the Touch needs an Internet connection at setup is for firmware update. And again, if its a factory, I think there is not much to worry about. Its to soon for any type of return to be back into the system. -- iPhone *iPhone* Media Room: Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, Vandersteen Speakers: Quatro Mains, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Video: Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1 Living Room: Duet, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Kitchen: Squeezebox BOOM Bedroom: Second Boom Bathroom: Squeezebox Radio Ford Thunderbird: Duet, Mac Mini Ford Expedition: SB Touch, USB drive iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78198 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] how to open up the squeezebox touch?
yeo;542971 Wrote: hi guys been playing for a few hours and these are my findings. i know it's still early but here you go. 1. the digital output is better than sb3 but still can be improved. yeo Really? - how exactly? Forget about SC transformers for a start... It's already a low-jitter design and sounds great into any properly designed DAC via 1.5m+ of correct cable. Futzing with the power supply won't change it very much. IMO the only way to really improve it is to run the DAC clock back into the touch (or maybe use i2s) - but that isn't really s/pdif then... By the way, getting it apart is easy, putting it back together is HARD... good luck! (and be very careful). -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78244 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Serving more than 2 additional squeezeboxes
kencraw;542692 Wrote: I saw this wiki: http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Squeezebox_Touch_as_a_Home_Music_Server And was curious about this statement in it: We cannot recommend using Squeezebox Touch Server with more than 2 additional Squeezebox players. I think it is more of a CYA statement. The Touch and TinySC were and still are being tested as to what their limits are. Using TinySC with a 2TB USB drive, I have used 6 Squeezeboxes plus the Touch in stand alone mode but I am running SBS 7.6. Don't know all the differences between production 7.5 and the Beta 7.6 as it relates to TinySC. -- iPhone *iPhone* Media Room: Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, Vandersteen Speakers: Quatro Mains, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Video: Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1 Living Room: Duet, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Kitchen: Squeezebox BOOM Bedroom: Second Boom Bathroom: Squeezebox Radio Ford Thunderbird: Duet, Mac Mini Ford Expedition: SB Touch, USB drive iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78199 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Serving more than 2 additional squeezeboxes
It is always recomended practice to wire the server to the router. Then it gives that if the Touch *IS* the server then wire the Touch, for best stability/performance. This is probably also behind the recomended two player limit . You get double wifi hops from server to router from router to player. so you use up twice the wifi capacity needed per player. This can absolutely work in a small installation with mp3 files. But it would give -any- server problem in a larger scale (more players) with lossless and hirez files . -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J and assorted amps SiriuS, Classe'Primare and Dynadio speakers (including a pair of Contour 4 ) Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Miscellaneous use: Radio (with battery) I use a Controller various ir-remotes and a Eee-PC with squeezeplay to control this Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78199 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Experiencing Touch for a couple of days
Interesting.As I said,using a Drobo directly connected,I get an occasional delay at the start of tracks playing 24/96.16/44.1 files play with no issues.Initial scan was no problem either. -- Ali Tait Ali Tait's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37387 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78211 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Rescan SBS from Touch Interface
What I really was thinking: If it's an bad idea to have rescan on a squeeplay player ? Hence the wontfix status. It must also be an bad idea to have it on an SB3 ? No wait it's an good idea for the SB3 that's why it was implemented in the first place ? Then it is also an good idea to have it on Squeezeplay. Therefore Wontfix for this request is wrong ;) -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J and assorted amps SiriuS, Classe'Primare and Dynadio speakers (including a pair of Contour 4 ) Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Miscellaneous use: Radio (with battery) I use a Controller various ir-remotes and a Eee-PC with squeezeplay to control this Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78177 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Hmnnn..any reason why my box might have been resealed at the factory??
Gazjam;542954 Wrote: I noticed the Firmware was updated as soon as I plugged it in Just one of these mysteries I guess... Updated to what? It had the latest 7.5 FW in it out of the box? Prior to you connecting to MySB or SBS? Or do you mean it updated after initial MySB connection? -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78198 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Standalone Touch
Zibi;542891 Wrote: I've just bought Touch decided to join this nice Forum. Thanks all for sharing information. I am still at testing stage, first impressions are very good, however more i would share soon. One nice thing is volume control over optical TOS cable - never seen before but this is quite useful! Unfortunately i have small problem: Principally i would like to use touch as music player from USB - TOS (S/PDIF), so i do not need permanent internet access. Actually i do not have possibility to keep connection 24/365. But without being online Touch looses a lot. No screen savers and even lack of possibility to switch it off! Is there any possibility (except the one in the initial options work without connection) to run it in offline mode and predefine things like shutdown=screen of (after certain time, or a song) or at least to display a photo (dimmed display)? Hello and Welcome to the Forum. TinySC when running the Touch in standalone mode uses most of the memory resources so plugins and Apps have no place to reside or enough memory to run. Also, I don't think full time Internet access is absolutely necessary foe everything you are looking to do. I will see what I can figure out what can and can't be done but this would require running a local SBS server in my opinion. Others on the Forum have used this stuff more then I have. Basically, I did it once to verify it could be done during the Beta testing. I use my Touch in stand alone mainly to play music. -- iPhone *iPhone* Media Room: Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, Vandersteen Speakers: Quatro Mains, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Video: Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1 Living Room: Duet, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Kitchen: Squeezebox BOOM Bedroom: Second Boom Bathroom: Squeezebox Radio Ford Thunderbird: Duet, Mac Mini Ford Expedition: SB Touch, USB drive iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78232 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Hmnnn..any reason why my box might have been resealed at the factory??
One thing I noticed when I opened my Touch was how much protective plastic film was adhered to all of the glossy black surfaces and the screen. It was enveloped in the stuff! I would say that if all of that was intact, you did not receive an open box item, but something that was opened in the factory for a variety of reasons mentioned here. -- maggior Rich - Setup: 2 SB3s, 4 Booms, 1 Duet, 1 Receiver, 1 Touch. SuSE 11.0 Server running SqueezeBoxServer 7.5.0, MusicIP, and SqueezeSlave. Current library stats: 33,060 songs, 2,656 albums, 484 artists. http://www.last.fm/user/maggior maggior's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9080 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78198 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Experiencing Touch for a couple of days
c3p0;542867 Wrote: I am running a touch feed by ethernet via a vortexbox and controlled by ipeng iPod app and loving it. I bought it purely for the hi Rez capability, don't use its touch screen or it's server. Sound quality is superb ( feeding coax to mf v-dac). I think that this is one of the most cost effective ways into hi Rez music. Don't give up on the touch yet, it's early days and as we know from the other squeezebox products the software is improving with each release. Are the issues with staying connected to an external hard drive by USB and issues many seem to be having with processing/scanning large amounts of music something that can be fixed with a software upgrade? I thought that these might be hardware limitations. -- crimscrem crimscrem's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37536 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78211 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue ( Solution!)
Hi rotho, thanks for the detailed info. The perl line is the actual server, its written in perl so the process is actually the perl interpreter running the server code. Jive is the player (now known as squeezeplay). The Server reads the files and sends the data to the player which decodes it and sends the raw data to the jive_alsa process which sends it to the hardware. All three have to be up and running and getting their share of CPU cycles to make the process work. Its very interesting that the server is running so much higher cpu with the HDD as opposed to the USB stick. Does the server stay at around this number all the time or does it only occasionally get that high? If its running that high most of the time, I would think the next step would be to run some profiling on the perl code to see where its spending its time. I've never done that so someone else who is more familiar with perl profiling will have to help with that. John S. -- JohnSwenson JohnSwenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5974 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77080 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue ( Solution!)
Hi rotho, thanks for the detailed info. The perl line is the actual server, its written in perl so the process is actually the perl interpreter running the server code. Jive is the player (now known as squeezeplay). The Server reads the files and sends the data to the player which decodes it and sends the raw data to the jive_alsa process which sends it to the hardware. All three have to be up and running and getting their share of CPU cycles to make the process work. Its very interesting that the server is running so much higher cpu with the HDD as opposed to the USB stick. Does the server stay at around this number all the time or does it only occasionally get that high? If its running that high most of the time, I would think the next step would be to run some profiling on the perl code to see where its spending its time. I've never done that so someone else who is more familiar with perl profiling will have to help with that. John S. -- JohnSwenson JohnSwenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5974 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77080 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Experiencing Touch for a couple of days
Well I'm getting great sound via analog or and even better via digital outs into a DAC, and the SDHC card (32GB) works great, and internet radio works perfectly, and connection to my Mac-based server is superb. USB hard connection is not ready for prime time. And switching from controlling the player using direct touch to the remote and back works fine, but switching to a player on my Mac is just about hopeless. On balance, though, I am thrilled with this thing and already bought a second one for the bedroom, and can see my days of owning a standalone CDP being numbered. The functionality that works well is flat out spectacular. Art -- artmaltman artmaltman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37856 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78211 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Experiencing Touch for a couple of days
There is a distinct difference in what happens between ending one song - going to the next in playlist AND pressing the skip button. In the case of a song ending and going to the next in the playlist it starts reading the next file while the end of the current file is still playing, that way its ready to switch streams on the fly without any interruption. When you press the skip button it has to go off right now and find the file and start reading the data. It buffers some data up and starts playing it. There is a tradeoff here as to how much data it reads before starting the playback. It sounds like the system is set for reading a small amount of data so it can start playing quickly, but with hirez (or maybe hirez and flac etc) thats not really enough and the initial buffer gets emptied before it can fill the next buffer, so a stutter happens. When automatically ending one song and going to the next on the playlist its easy to grab a fair amount of data so you don't have a dropout, with the skip button it takes some tuning to get the right tradeoff between no dropouts and time you have to wait before music starts. Unfortunately that tradeoff seems to be different for different setups. For example I never have a problem with it at all, I can play -8 encoded flacs 24/96 files off the USB drive and skip between songs and never have a problem. Other people have problems when skipping ahead but not when automatically going from one to the next, and others seem to have have problems all the time no matter what. So far we haven't figured out what the differences are that cause these discrepancies in performance. John S. -- JohnSwenson JohnSwenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5974 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78211 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Hmnnn..any reason why my box might have been resealed at the factory??
toby10;543007 Wrote: Updated to what? It had the latest 7.5 FW in it out of the box? Prior to you connecting to MySB or SBS? Or do you mean it updated after initial MySB connection? Dunno what updated..just plugged it in and it downloaded new software (I think) assumed it was just updating itself to the latest version or whatever. -- Gazjam Gazjam's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18604 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78198 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Hmnnn..any reason why my box might have been resealed at the factory??
maggior;543027 Wrote: One thing I noticed when I opened my Touch was how much protective plastic film was adhered to all of the glossy black surfaces and the screen. It was enveloped in the stuff! I would say that if all of that was intact, you did not receive an open box item, but something that was opened in the factory for a variety of reasons mentioned here. Hey Rich, Yeah...my unit was like that too...and it was obvious it wasnt put back on (not that i thought it was a possibility), becasue when that film comes off it doesnt go back on! -- Gazjam Gazjam's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18604 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78198 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch not recognizing USB drive
The only option to switch from mysqueezebox.com is to the music on my computer. There is no option to switch to SB server or USB drive -- beachlady beachlady's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=36345 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78207 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/96 Perfromance Issue ( Solution!)
JohnSwenson;543054 Wrote: Its very interesting that the server is running so much higher cpu with the HDD as opposed to the USB stick. Does the server stay at around this number all the time or does it only occasionally get that high? Hi John, I have made more tests this evening and here are the successive values of the CPU usage of the perl slimserver.pl process : 1) When using the HDD : 1.1) With a 24/96 file : 32%/46%/43%/45%/52%/30%/42%/51%/47%/44%/32%/51%/36%/35%/57%/31%/37%/48%/24%/54%/38%/31%/56%/32%/37%/50%/27%/48%/38%/30%/... And so on... The server process does never go under 20% and the Touch is constantly rebuffering 1.2) With a 16/44.1 file : 29%/50%/56%/28%/2%/2%/1%/1%/1%/1%/2%/2%/1%/... 2) When using the USB stick : 2.1) With a 24/96 file : 17%/12%/5%/4%/5%/4%/4%/... And no rebuffering problem ... 2.2) With a 16/44.1 file : 23%/4%/2%/1%/2%/1%/... A little precision : for tests 1.1) and 2.1), I was always starting from scratch (Touch unplugged, USB device unplugged), and then I waited until the re-analysis of the files on the USB device was completed. Tests 1.2) and 2.2) were done immediately after tests 1.1) and 2.1), without turning off the Touch. Do you think that the problem could come from the great number of files on the HDD ? If you think it would be useful, I could make a test where I erase the contents of the HDD (I have a complete backup on its HFS formatted twin), and try the HDD with only the same couple of files as on the USB stick. What do you think ? Anyway, thank you very much for your time. -- rotho rotho's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33493 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77080 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Hmnnn..any reason why my box might have been resealed at the factory??
Gazjam;543076 Wrote: Dunno what updated..just plugged it in and it downloaded new software (I think) assumed it was just updating itself to the latest version or whatever. Yeah, that is normal and intended. It ships with one year old factory FW, connects to MySB.com upon initial setup, downloads the latest FW from MySB. I thought you may have been saying it had the latest 7.5 FW when you unboxed it, which would have clearly indicated it was actually used and returned. It is clear this is not the case. Enjoy. :) -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78198 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Upgrade Squeezebox Duet to Touch?
Gazjam;542235 Wrote: Hi I use my new Touch with my Caiman Dac, the Touch was a substantial upgrade into the same Dac over the SB3 I had previously. I've not heard a Duet though...assume it's on a level with the SB3 soundwise? Regarding the Touch dac vs the Caiman dac The Touch is a VERY big improvement over the SB3 and I would guess the same jump over the Duet. Compared to the Caiman dac, I find it to be not as good. To be honest though, if I never had the dac I would probably be happy - it sounds better than the SB3 into the Beresford, so that tells you how good it is as a transport. But sound quality wise, the Touch thru the Caiman sounds quite a bit better to my ears. Thing is, my Caiman has been upgraded from standard, and I didn't have the Touch before I had it upgraded, so can't comment on the standard dac. Others are using it with a Transporter as a transportthe standard dacso guess that's an answer? Buy a Touch, it will be a substantial upgrade over the duet..either on it's own or through the dac. Thanks Gazjam. Do you know anything more about why would Touch be a better transport than the previous Squeezebox players? What's so different in terms of just receiving, buffering, and pushing digital bits and bytes into the DAC? -- magiccarpetride magiccarpetride's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78128 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] how to open up the squeezebox touch?
The S/PDIF output circuit is actually quite good, much better than what is in the SB3. The biggest bang for the buck there is to get rid of the RCA jack and put in a true 75ohm BNC. Thats going to be the biggest improvement. Not so easy to do, you have to keep the impedances to the board etc correct. Now as for opening it up: It comes in two pieces, front and back plastic case, the front has the display attached and the back has the board attached. In between is the umbilical for the display, this is two flexible PC (FPC) assemblies, one one small (for power) and one wider (for signals). These are permanently attached to the display and go into connectors on the board attached to the back. There is very little slack on these FPCs, this is the main problem with taking it apart and getting it back together. You have two approaches here: take the cables out of the connectors and separate the two pieces OR leave the umbilical in place unscrew the board from the back case. Taking the FPCs out of their connectors is quite easy, but it is a royal pain getting them back in correctly without damaging anything when putting it back together. In the other approach you keep the umbilical in place and clamshell the two halves, opening up a small space between them and getting a small screwdriver in to take out the screws holding the board to the back case. You do this for all four sides. All the screws are around the periphery of the board so this can be done. Be careful not to exert too much tension on the FPCs, you don't want to rip anything or cause them to come out of the connectors (the connectors are latching, the FPCs are held quite well in their grasp). Its hard to say which is the best approach, I've done it both ways and its about equal amount of swearing either way. Even if you go for the disconnect the FPCs route you still have to unscrew the board from the back, all the interesting stuff is on the side of the board between the board and back. Currently you have taken off the silver foot and the two screws that hold the front and back together. At this point the only thing holding them together is friction, there are no more fasteners or latches or any such. You just have to pull them apart. A thin blade such as a putty knife might be helpful in trying to pry them apart. Once they DO come apart make sure you don't put much tension on the FPC. You DON'T want to grab the front and back and put huge force on them, and then have them explosively separate and rip the FPCs out. Gentle persuasion works better. In addition to the above there are two twisted pair going between the front assembly and the board (the microphone and the speaker). These have connectors and are easy to remove, just make sure you draw a picture noting the orientation of the colored wires so you can put it back together the right way. After you have the board unscrewed from the back you have to get the board out of the back. This isn't easy. The board fits under a lip molded into the case, the fit is VERY tight. I found the best way to get it out is to hold the back in your fingers and use your thumbs to apply pressure to the connectors on the back, pushing them back in, this will force the board out of the back case. Now on to what to do once you HAVE it apart. The first thing is to bypass the caps on the analog outs, they are not needed, getting rid of them makes a big improvement in sound. Next I would work on the power supplies. There are two switching DC-DC converters inside, they supply the 1.2 and 1.4 volts for the processor. One of these also supplies 10V to a 5V regulator which drives the DAC chip. So even though the DAC chip is 5V it is NOT run off the main 5V supply, they did try and isolate it from what is going on inside the box. I would build an external supply that had two 5V supplies, one for the main input, and one very good one for the DAC chip. In addition it will provide the 1.2 and 1.4V for the CPU. You can't just replace the DC-DC converters with linear regs in the box, they would dissipate too much heat. There are no ventilation holes and its a plastic case, the heat from these regs would fry the insides. Next would be the oscillators. They are just regular logic gate and crystals, same as used in the SB3. The power rails in the Touch are cleaner so you DO get lower jitter, but its possible to get even better. I would build a tiny board with two low jitter SMD oscillators and a really low noise regulator and install that over the main board (there is a LITTLE room between the board and case) with very short pigtails going down to the main board to replace the crystals. Thats what I would do for first level mods. There is a lot of work that could be done on the headphone amp, but anybody REALLY into headphone listening is probably already using an external headphone amp connected to the analog outs or to an external DAC. That should keep you busy for awhile! John S. -- JohnSwenson
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Upgrade Squeezebox Duet to Touch?
If nothing else, you might find that you can buy the Touch on sale and then turn around and sell the Receiver unit only from your Duet set and not have your out-of-pocket be all that much. Receivers are out-of-stock in the USA right now from new retailers. As such, used ones are going for a premium. Amazon has one listed used for $195 and the last one I saw sold on eBay last week went for over $200. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78128 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Upgrade Squeezebox Duet to Touch?
magiccarpetride;542113 Wrote: I am an audiophile on a budget, so I have opted for using Duet with an external DAC (Beresford Caiman), instead of going with the much more expensive Transport. Some reports claim that Beresford Caiman can match (and even surpass) the DAC that Transport internally uses. However, what is not clear to me is whether the Transport is a better 'transport' for digital signal than Duet or Touch. I am pretty certain that Beresford Caiman is a better DAC than the one that is shipping inside the Touch. What I'm asking here is should I consider replacing my Duet as a 'transport' with Touch? Is Touch a better transport than Duet? Keep in mind that, regardless of whether I upgrade Duet or not, I will be keeping my Beresford Caiman as an external DAC, and will bypass whatever the internal DAC may be. Also, I am not at all interested in convenience (don't care about the user interface, pretty pictures, touch or wheel etc.), only interested in improving the sound. Where is the down side here?! Everybody needs more then one Squeezebox. So buy the Touch, I think you will like it and use the Duet's Receiver in another room. The Touch is very good on the analog side and in my opinion (testing and listening) is better then both the SB3 and Receiver. On the Coax Digital side, I again think it is better then both the SB3 and Receiver from listening and testing. I think the Touch will make a great digital transport for use with a very good DAC. The Touch is so good that I think one needs a much better external DAC now if one is not going to use the analog section in the Touch. I think the Transporter is still better (especially in the analog side) and now for the but, but its a much harder decision now because the Touch will make a very good digital transport. -- iPhone *iPhone* Media Room: Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, Vandersteen Speakers: Quatro Mains, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Video: Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1 Living Room: Duet, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Kitchen: Squeezebox BOOM Bedroom: Second Boom Bathroom: Squeezebox Radio Ford Thunderbird: Duet, Mac Mini Ford Expedition: SB Touch, USB drive iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78128 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] Does the Controller also work for the Touch?
On Logitech's homepage it only lists Transporter, Classic and Receiver as compatible devices. Is this really so or does it also work for the Touch? -- foxx foxx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=36364 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=78265 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
