Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch vs. Duet
if you register another Logitech product (online). My wife registered an older mouse (she was trying to fix a problem) and instantly we got a 20% off next purchase code in an email. Earlier that day I made the decision to purchase the Touch - so I got it for $240 with free shipping direct from Logitech. I haven't seen a better deal ... -- Rick58 Bits: Azur 840C, Oppo 980H, SB Touch; Squiggles: Thorens TD-145 + Denon DL160; Pre-Heater: McIntosh C220; Heaters: Bottlehead Paramount 300B; Wavemakers: Triangle Titus, NHT SubOne Rick58's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42940 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85717 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Haven't had this much fun since . . .
guidof;611278 Wrote: Hi Rick: Thanks for the additional information. The evidence seems to be that this is just, as you put it, a cosmetic issue. On 24/96 material, the Touch's digital output sounds better than anything I heard on my system. Even on 16/44.1, it tends to improve over the sound of CDs played on the CA 840C. Guido F.I was amazed how things sounded the other night, I agree, best I have heard. I was going to do a comparison with the CD, but then said the heck with it and continued to enjoy ... -- Rick58 Bits: Azur 840C, Oppo 980H, SB Touch; Squiggles: Thorens TD-145 + Denon DL160; Pre-Heater: McIntosh C220; Heaters: Bottlehead Paramount 300B; Wavemakers: Triangle Titus, NHT SubOne Rick58's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42940 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85651 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Haven't had this much fun since . . .
guidof;610846 Wrote: About the Squeezebox Touch: I haven't had this much fun with an audio gizmo since the Hafler Matrix (anyone still remembers that one?). First with the Touch out of the box, then with Soundcheck's mods, then with rediscovering some forgotten CDs as I (slowly) rip my entire collection, and finally with being able to listen to 24/96 downloads, it has been a musically exhilarating few months since the Touch has lived in my system. And all of this for $300! So much music, so little time . . . Guido F.I agree completely! I have listened more to my system since I got the Touch (a couple weeks ago) since I don't know when. I listened to some 'old' stuff the other night, sounded amazing. I think I have added/upgraded several components since I last listened to it. Guess I should listen to the CD and do a comparison ... nah! sounds great thru the Touch (wireless streaming and all), why bother? BTW, Guido, wondering what is displayed on your 840C when playing thru the Touch? and if you are going wireless or using Ethernet? (altho I don't think it would make a difference in what the 840C displays). Mine shows =20/96 even when streaming 24/96 files, and =20/44.1 when streaming CD-sourced (Apple lossless) files. There is an issue with the 840C and 'status bits' sent from the source ... When connected to my Oppo 980H the same files (burned to and played on a DVD) read 24/96. TIA, - Rick. -- Rick58 Rick58's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42940 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85651 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] iPeng app on iPhone, affects screen brightness?
I love the iPeng app, never use the Touch (except by remote to change settings). Using iPeng, seems that whenever I hit 'back' button in the upper left corner, it usually affects the screen brightness - seems to cycle to off, dim, full brightness ... eventually it actually does what it's supposed to do - return to the previous screen. Just wondering if anyone else 'sees' this? -- Rick58 Rick58's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42940 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85645 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] iPeng app on iPhone, affects screen brightness?
Thanks! I will check it out. -- Rick58 Rick58's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42940 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85645 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Latest firware (7.5.3-r9283) broke my m4a playback
huh! being a new Touch owner, and not having many of these, never noticed that. I only have one album and a handful of individual songs that are categorized (in iTunes) as Protected AAC audio files, these indeed do not seem to be seen by the Touch. Also, one other album and a few songs are called Purchased AAC audio files. The album IS seen and plays, the others are/do not. The only thing I can think of is that Apple insists that only iTunes be 'authorized' to play these songs ...? and maybe the capability slips thru for various firmware releases. Maybe Apple is corresponding with Logitech about this, and insisting they 'block' such files to the Touch? Just a guess ... -- Rick58 Rick58's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42940 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85623 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] new touch, very happy
fillmore;608129 Wrote: rick, i got the pm. thanks for the info, guys. some additional specific model info i have (which generates more questions) managed to track down. sony model ht-ss2300 (discontinued) apparently outputs 24/96: http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10151catalogId=10551langId=-1productId=8198552921665368399#specifications the multichannel pcm seems to only accept hdmi. would a switch similar to this be worth considering to go touch coax digital switch hdmi receiver? http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=101cp_id=10114cs_id=1011405p_id=5369seq=1format=1#largeimage i guess im also wondering if i need to connect it two ways, digital and analog rca to take advantage of everything; multichannel, dts, 24/96 flac? i ripped a couple of the talking heads brick set discs with dvda explorer. the discs have two streams, 24/96 stereo and 24/96 six channel...i presume the dts surround? each version ripped to wav and converted to flac. does it sound like im on the right track? i just wont be able to experience the multichannel until i can convert the pcm from spdif out to hdmi inYou're getting way beyond me! with most of this, but looking at the manual, I saw that 'all digital audio jacks' (including, I would think, the TV and Digital optical and digital connections) are compatible with 32, 44.1, 48, and 96kHz sampling frequencies. It also says to input multichannel digital audio from the DVD player, set the digital audio output setting on the DVD player. This sounds like it can accept MC digital audio on these jacks as well. It seems worth a try, just take an RCA interconnect cable, hook up the RCA digital connections, and see what happens. Maybe start with the sound turned down a bit, in case some noise comes out. If things aren't compatible, hashy/white noise can be generated (I have heard this noise when trying to play a 24 bit 176.4kHz FLAC file). HTH, - Rick. -- Rick58 Rick58's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42940 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85296 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] new touch, very happy
look on p. 41 of the manual ... talks about setting 'Auto' or 'PCM' as the priority; says to set to 'PCM' if no sound comes out with the 'AUTO' setting. Good luck! -- Rick58 Rick58's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42940 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85296 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] new touch, very happy
with the Touch. Using my iTunes folder and playlists for up to 16/44.1 and separate folders for higher res stuff. Sounds great! Will try some tweaks (linear PS, etc.) one of these years ... -- Rick58 Rick58's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42940 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85296 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] new touch, very happy
Skinny;607863 Wrote: Yes, I bet it has digital inputs. However, only the newer HD generation of receivers is -even capable of outputting audio from hi-rez 24/96 digital files-. My 10+ yo Sony (one of the first ones with DD + DTS decoding btw ;) ) isn't. -Skinny Interesting if the OP replies with more info. Looks like the BRAVIA line was introduced in mid-2005. Hopefully the onboard DAC is 24/96 capable! I have no idea ... -- Rick58 Rick58's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42940 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85296 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] new touch, very happy
Skinny;607286 Wrote: Please specify model number of AV receiver, surely someone will find the specs for you then. I bet the receiver has a toslink or RCA digital input ... might sound better than the internal DAC on the Touch? in any case. -- Rick58 Rick58's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42940 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85296 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Registered Logitech product, got 20% off Touch!
You're welcome! and I am really enjoying my Touch, which seems like a great product, esp. for $240. I have been listening more in the past week than for several months. That's a good sign ... -- Rick58 Rick58's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42940 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch and large number of miscellaneous mp3s
Cholas;605635 Wrote: Hope this question isn't too stupid. Everything on my Touch is working splendidly, all music tracks tagged properly, album art fine everything works without problems. ButI'm a big fan of fifties rock'n'roll (I know, I know) and I've got a few hundred MP3 tracks I've collected over the years from a variety of sources. Not surprisingly their tags are all over the place, loads of different artists, albums etc.This may not be the best answer, but I use iTunes for my 'regular' playlists (and have hi-res material in separate folders). I have 'use iTunes' checked (wherever that option is - I am not at home and don't remember). This option lets the Touch access all the iTunes playlists, and one is able to select other material (24/96 FLACs, for example) in other folders. If you make a playlist in iTunes with all the mp3s in it, should be able to play in order, random, etc.. HTH, - Rick. -- Rick58 Rick58's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42940 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85111 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Odd issue with my Touch (might be my DAC)
Phil Leigh;605036 Wrote: the 24-bit bitstream is simply truncated by your dac - the lowest 4 bits are ignored. It will still sound fine (even the best consumer dacs can only resolve 21 bits anyway!) I guess I need to remember this! The 840C (not SOTA, but pretty darn good) is 113dB S/N (A weighted) which if I'm doing it correctly is about 19 bits. http://www.cambridgeaudio.com/specifications.php?PID=112Title=Specifications -- Rick58 Rick58's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42940 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84280 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Odd issue with my Touch (might be my DAC)
Mnyb;604332 Wrote: But it must be a difference in some bit as his dac reports 24bit when conected directly to his computer via toslink ? THANKS folks for the replies! With the direct link, it actually indicates =24/96 which I interpret to mean 24/96 ... but if it says =20/96 even tho in my mind I believe it is actually 24/96 (as it should be), I tend to 'fear' that it is being truncated to 16 bits. Don't know why ... I guess because when playing AIFFs it says =20/44.1. From all I have read so far (and have the (limited) capacity to hopefully understand) the 'problem' may be with the 840C, but sounds like if the device outputs the correct status bits (indicating 24 bit data is being sent) the 840C should report this correctly? Could that be 'fixed' with a firmware tweak/revision (to the Touch)? hopefully so. Seems like at least *some* other DACs or devices display incoming bit depth, and would benefit from this 'fix'. Basically, I just want to be 'reassured' that 24/96 is going into the 840C! I guess they could even 'force' the data to indicate that, whether true or not!? ;^) Seems like I 'must' have 24/96 when 24/96 FLACs are played ... it's just a little 'disappointing' and there's always that 'doubt' when I see the =20 being displayed ... :^( Again, thanks very much, and please continue to discuss ... I will be reading with much appreciation. - Rick. -- Rick58 Rick58's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42940 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84280 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Odd issue with my Touch (might be my DAC)
doh! maybe this shows how much I don't know and that's OK, if I learn something. I don't really want to learn 'everything' about this, but would like to understand a little more than I do now ... The status bits that are referred to are in the data stream itself, (i.e. the original source (FLAC, AIFF ...) correct? Every word has them, I guess. So the player cannot 'change' these without some crazy re-whatevering on the files, and one likely wouldn't want that to be occurring and consuming computing horsepower in the Touch or the host computer. Maybe some other files are indeed 'coded' this way. I at this point only have a dozen or less 24/96 FLAC files (samples from HDTracks and LessLoss). One would think the originators of the files would want these 'represented' properly ... if that is indeed the case. Oh well, thanks for comments again. -- Rick58 Rick58's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42940 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84280 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Odd issue with my Touch (might be my DAC)
Phil Leigh;604464 Wrote: get some insulating tape and place it over the display - problem solved :-) LOL yes, I could not use my 'binoculars' to look at the display, I guess! It's about 12' away, I can't quite read whether it shows 20 or 24 from my chair! OTOH, after rereading the 'bug report' I see the issue MAY be related to something the Touch itself sends: http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16641 Looks to me that setting Channel Status Word bit 2 to '1' (and maybe forcing bits 3-5 to 'zero') when 24 bit data is being sent should 'solve' the issue. Hopefully this 'bug' would be assigned sometime soon ... -- Rick58 Rick58's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42940 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84280 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Odd issue with my Touch (might be my DAC)
Phil Leigh;604490 Wrote: You might get lucky - but it's a rather niche, cosmetic issue... Tell you what, I'll vote for the bug :-) But wouldn't all DACs that report bit depth along with sample rate benefit? Maybe the Cambridges are the only ones ... if so, oh well. If you know, could you verify that if I use 24/96 stereo FLACs thru the setup iMac - Airport Extreme (wireless) - Touch - optical out - Cambridge 840C that the 24/96 data is being delivered to the 840C? Thanks very much, I really appreciate your comments, even the humourous ones! -- Rick58 Rick58's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42940 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84280 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Odd issue with my Touch (might be my DAC)
Griffin;604495 Wrote: The channel status word bit 2 defines the copyright bit (DCMS). It has *nothing* to do with wordlength. I have the official spec on my desk at work but ePanorama has a nice overview 'here' (http://www.epanorama.net/documents/audio/spdif.html) (scroll down to channel status). There is no -reliable- status information in spdif reflecting absolute word length and there is no need for that information (except perhaps for informational purposes like showing the actual depth).I am wondering if the standard you refer to is for the actual data stream itself, and that discussed in http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16641 SQB SPDIF Channel Status Word is something different - part of 'preamble' data that is generated and sent *from the SB Touch itself* before the 'music data' stream starts? Sorry, I don't know the proper terms. I see *** This bug has been confirmed by popular vote. *** in Bugzilla; I presume this means it got 3 votes. Thanks, Phil! -- Rick58 Rick58's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42940 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84280 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Odd issue with my Touch (might be my DAC)
Mnyb;604505 Wrote: You -can- apparently set this with alsa ? It's actually beyond me if you actually should ? Apearently you can also chose between consumer spdif or pro AES-EBU over spdif . Interestingly there is a difference between consumer and pro . AHA ... maybe this is the explanation for the confusion I had about Griffin's post. Thanks. I would just like to see a 'fix' if possible! :^) -- Rick58 Rick58's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42940 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84280 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Odd issue with my Touch (might be my DAC)
Phil Leigh;602126 Wrote: Just to reiterate: regardless of what you put into to the Touch (or where the volume control is set), what comes out is a 24-bit bitstream. However, if the s/pdif (channel status information bit(s)) are not set correctly, then downstream devices might REPORT non-24-bit streams... I hope this is what is going on with my setup, and that you excuse a couple of 'noobie' questions. iMac - Airport Extreme (wireless) - Touch - optical out - Cambridge 840C The 840C indicates =20/96 which seems strange, when the song being played is 16/44.1 AIFF or 24/96 FLAC (which are all I have tried so far, just got the Touch yesterday). Sounds like it should indicate 24/96 all the time? The 840C indicates =24/96 when toslinked up to the iMac directly ... Wish I could get rid of the pesky = ... ! Is there something I need to set differently than 'default' in the advanced settings? I do have numerous posts, etc. saved by you guys, but it will take me hours to peruse thru them! THANKS for comments, tips, etc.! :^) - Rick. -- Rick58 Rick58's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42940 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84280 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Registered Logitech product, got 20% off Touch!
nt -- Rick58 Rick58's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42940 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Registered Logitech product, got 20% off Touch!
windycitycy;602290 Wrote: I have 2 Touches and have been waiting for a good price to get a 3rd. I just went and registered one of my many Logitech products (took about 1 minute). Hopefully I get the same e-mail. Good luck! I don't know if it was 'instantaneous' or not after she registered. -- Rick58 Rick58's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42940 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch Parts express power supply
Phil Leigh;601876 Wrote: (from that review)... Compared to the PC/FireWire system the Touch S/PDIF system was a little muddy and had a bit less separation of instruments, especially the drums, when the symphony really got going. Coz we know how s/pdif can struggle with those complex bitstreams when the music gets going, right? ROTFLMAO OK, so one seemingly silly (to you) observation negates the whole article? Whatever. I know, if you can't measure it, it can't possibly sound different. BTW, THANKS for the welcome to the SBT community. -- Rick58 Rick58's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42940 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=82128 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] Adding Touch to Airport Extreme network (with NAS) ?
SORRY if this topic has been beaten to death ... I currently have a Boxee Box, have 99% decided to return it and get a Touch, as my main interest is streaming 24/96 stereo audio to my Cambridge 840C CD player's external DAC inputs. The 'Box' is not quite there yet, is really designed mainly for video, etc.. Currently use APE with external 1TB NFS+ formatted drive (I am calling it a NAS, altho it's just a standard external HD) plugged into it. I can access it from my iMac and Boxee Box. Seems to me that this would work as well with the Touch. (???) from reading some older threads, and, I believe this article http://www.computeraudiophile.com/content/Logitech-Squeezebox-Touch-Review altho I am not 100% certain. Seems like the 'early' versions of the Touch required Windows formatting and only could read from directly-connected HDs, but this seems to have been taken care of in subsequent firmware revisions. Wondering also if I move my iTunes folder over to the 'NAS' if I can point to it both with the iMac and the Touch? and maybe with another (Windows) laptop, maybe even all at the same time? The other 'users' would likely only want mp3 files streamed to their computers on occasion. That may be best addressed in another thread and another forum tho! TIA for comments, etc.. - Rick. -- Rick58 Rick58's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42940 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84709 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
