Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Playlists when using USB drive
Mnyb;538514 Wrote: > Squeezeboxserver is written in perl ? It sounded strange to me because I thought Perl was just a scripting language for Web pages. However 'Wikipedia says' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squeezebox_Server), "The Squeezebox Server software is written in Perl, and will run on Linux, Microsoft Windows, Apple Macintosh, BSD platforms." -- hawaiijim hawaiijim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37570 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77386 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Playlists when using USB drive
Mnyb;538308 Wrote: > If would also like to get some senior members interest in this topic, > maybe it could get patched somehow if you have programming skills and > can read the code (it is open source after all). > I don't have programming skills at all so I can only report my > findings. > I can not give any constructive help to the developers, I think that > would be greatly appreciated. > > I think my little cowon mp3 player handles shuffle without a problem ? > So something is not thoroughly designed as it should. Where is the code available for download? I heard that it's written in Perl. I'm not a Perl developer, but I'd still love to look and see what they're doing that is causing performance problems. -- hawaiijim hawaiijim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37570 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77386 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Playlists when using USB drive
iPhone;538007 Wrote: > If when using Touch in the TinySC self server mode having a 100 song > playlist limit is your only reason for not buying a Touch, it is my > opinion that you should not be allowed to ever buy a Touch. That's just > plain silly for a reason for not buying a Touch. > > First this only applies when using the Touch as a standalone server. Since I only want to use the Touch as a standalone server, that's like saying "this only applies every time you want to use it." iPhone;538007 Wrote: > Second there is nothing that says you can't save multiple 100 song > playlists and just load a second saved Playlist when the first finishes > (which by the way on average will be 6 hours later!). How many times do > you listen to music for more then 6 hours straight? And how hard would > it be to queue up a second saved playlist when you happen to listen for > more then 6 hours straight? I will tell, not hard just a few touches on > the display. The Current Playlist can never be more than 100 songs, so I'm guessing that if you want to select a folder to play, you'll get the same 100 songs in that folder every time. That's just lame. Also, I would want large m3u playlists, and then just randomize play within a playlist. iPhone;538007 Wrote: > Please remember that TinySC is just that, TINY. There is only so much > memory available on the device. Playlists and their associated baggage > (cover art) take up large amounts of assets ... Again, the Squeezebox Server could have easily minimized resources by handling playlists intelligently. I'm looking at a screenshot now, and a playlist displays only three items for each track: the song title, the band name, and an album cover thumbnail image. In addition, the playlist needs to know the location of each song. With the exception of the cover art thumbnail images, that type of data does NOT use up heavy system resources. As I pointed out above, 1000 songs would take up only 133K. It's almost certainly the cover art thumbnail images that are taking up the heavy system resources. If system resources are that strained, thumbnail images could have been left out of Touch playlists without anyone noticing or caring. WinAmp doesn't display thumbnail images for playlists and nobody ever complains. Neither does RealPlayer. The only music software I'm aware of that displays cover art in playlist mode is iTunes. Even if cover art thumbnail images are to be displayed, the TinySC easily could have cached only nearby cover art in memory. (For example, 10 tracks in each direction plus the 5 tracks currently displayed.) If a user scrolls wildly, then just load images like a web browser does. There would be no delay in scrolling the playlist, just in loading cover art, but users could then have huge playlists. In addition to loading track name, band name, track location, and unnecessary cover art into memory, the TinySC may be loading all track info into memory (i.e. stuff that doesn't get displayed in playlists). If the TinySC is doing that, then it would be a much bigger strain on memory while also being unnecessary. Finally, I ask again, does the iPod have a 100 track (or similar) limitation for its current playlist? It almost certainly is far more resource-constrained than the Squeezebox Touch. If it doesn't have such a limitation, then the "lack of resources" argument is pure bunk. -- hawaiijim hawaiijim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37570 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77386 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Playlists when using USB drive
Phil Leigh;537935 Wrote: > You really know how to win friends and influence people... Sorry, I'm just feeling frustrated and disappointed because I'm not going to be getting a Squeezebox Touch now. Phil Leigh;537935 Wrote: > You see that nice little display on the screen that shows you the > current playlist (with artwork) that you can scroll up and down and > interact with... guess that needs to be in-memory right? How else is it > going to be displayed on the screen? The currently selected one needs to be in memory. You may want nearby ones to be in memory too for someone scrolling up and down nearby items in the playlist, but there's no reason on Earth to keep hundreds in memory. -- hawaiijim hawaiijim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37570 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77386 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Playlists when using USB drive
usch;537738 Wrote: > they must be doing something really weird, like keeping the entire > database record for each track in memory. That sounds to me like it's exactly what they're doing. It's nuts. I don't know what Squeezebox Server playlists are like, but look at this m3u playlist created by WinAmp: > #EXTM3U > #EXTINF:224,Daft Punk - Harder Better Faster Stronger > \Documents and Settings\Me\My Documents\My Music\MP3\Daft Punk - Harder > Better Faster Stronger.mp3 > #EXTINF:199,The Clash - London Calling > \Documents and Settings\Me\My Documents\My Music\MP3\The Clash - London > Calling.mp3 > #EXTINF:418,UB40 - Rat In Mi Kitchen > \Documents and Settings\Me\My Documents\My Music\MP3\UB40 - Rat In Mi > Kitchen.mp3 That's an entire m3u playlist for three songs. According to its Windows' properties, it's taking up 410 bytes for the 3 tracks. That means a 1000 track playlist would likely take up only 133K. Plus, you don't even need to open the entire playlist in memory simultaneously. All you have to do is know your place in the file, then seek to the next item in the playlist and load that item into memory. I bet they're loading the entire playlist into memory, plus all the track info for each playlist track, plus album cover images for each track. You'd have to do something retarded like that to run into performance problems. -- hawaiijim hawaiijim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37570 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77386 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 2 USB drive questions for Touch
tipsen;537888 Wrote: > Not when playing music natively supported by the system (FLAC, MP3 etc) > but maybe when transcoding files. > From > http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Beginners_Guide_To_File_Formats: > Native or Transcoded? > In the SqueezeCenter/Squeezebox world, this can be an important > difference. The various models of Squeezebox can handle different file > types internally, so given (for example) an MP3 file can decode it into > music within the box. Other file types can't be handled within the > Squeezebox and are "transcoded", i.e. decoded in SqueezeCenter into > another format that the Squeezebox does know how to handle (see also: > Transcoding). SqueezeBox players natively handle the following > formats: > > Lossless: AIFF, PCM, FLAC, WAV > Lossy: MP3, OGG and WMA (except WMA Lossless): > Some earlier models just MP3. See Hardware comparison. > > Another significant difference for a Squeezebox is that you can > fast-forward or rewind with a format that can be played natively, but > not one that is being transcoded. That entirely misses the point. There is little reason for a playlist to use any significant resources unless the software doing it is poorly designed. Looking at the comments in 'this bug' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10889) it looks like playlist handing is a kluge that requires an entire rewrite. -- hawaiijim hawaiijim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37570 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77156 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 2 USB drive questions for Touch
JJZolx;537839 Wrote: > Yes, you can. But you'll have the same limit of no more than 100 tracks > that can be in the current playlist when using the built-in server. Arg! That's just an unforgivable design flaw. JJZolx;537839 Wrote: > What you also might do is put hopes of using the built-in server out of > your mind. It has numerous limitations and, before you've even touched > a Squeezebox, you've already run into one that doesn't fit how you like > to listen to your music. The ability to play from SD card or thumb drive is the only reason for considering the Squeezebox Touch. The reason I never got a Roku Soundbridge is because of their PC-centric view of digital music. I thought Logitech had gotten home digital audio right, but I guess not. Does anyone know if the iPod has a 100 song playlist limit, or something similar? It's battery-operated and almost certainly has a weaker CPU and less memory than the Squeezebox Touch. If the iPod doesn't have such a limit, then that's proof positive that Logitech screwed up their playlist handling. I'm a software developer and I can't figure out how you'd design playlist handling in such a way that a >100 song playlist puts a strain on system resources. It's just a list! The actual playing of music should put a much greater strain on system resources than a playlist. -- hawaiijim hawaiijim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37570 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77156 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 2 USB drive questions for Touch
Mnyb;537829 Wrote: > Why do you need to "cover your music with playlists" ? > > Music is browsable by > > genre > artist > album > year > > Or by Random Mix's like this: > > Random songs > Random artists > Random albums > Random years > > Here you can exclude genres you don't want in that mix. > > Random mix is not like a regular playlist it gets filled in as you go > so more songs will be added to it as you go . > > I'm not particularly fond of the playlist limit either, it's just > simple text file ? so I'm with you on that. > > But it does not make the product impossible to use. Thanks for that info. I've never owned a Squeezebox before, and haven't gotten a Touch (yet), so I don't know how it works. I read the 'documentation' (http://www.logitech.com/assets/30072/documentation.pdf) but didn't see non-playlist music-playing mentioned. I'm thinking if I want to play by genre, I probably can't group genres, right? I probably can't have it play both "Rock" and "Classic rock" as a single super-genre. Same limitation with "Techno" and "Breakbeat", right? Can you tell it to play all the music within a particular folder? That's how my car's CD/MP3 player works. I would hope the Touch has similar functionality. I group my music in folders by super-genre, so I have a "Rock" folder, a "Hip hop" folder, a "Pop" folder, and an "Electronica" folder, etc. -- hawaiijim hawaiijim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37570 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77156 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 500 track maximum in playlist?
erland;535320 Wrote: > The performance of Squeezebox Server with large playlists are really > bad, thus the limitation. That sounds to me like poorly-implemented playlist handling. -- hawaiijim hawaiijim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37570 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77368 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 2 USB drive questions for Touch
mlsstl;533095 Wrote: > I plugged my USB drive into the Touch ... The drive has just shy of > 48,000 songs. Have you encountered the '100 songs per playlist limit' (http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Squeezebox_Touch_as_a_Home_Music_Server#No_Configurable_Settings) when playing from USB drive? With that ridiculous limit, it seems you would need 480 playlists to cover all of your music. mlsstl;533095 Wrote: > It is playing most of my music just fine, but I'm get an "unable to play > file type" error message when it tries to play a M4A (iTunes) song. > > In looking at the Wiki page for the Touch, the chart indicates these > files should play. What do I need to do? I'm guessing you never upgraded your iTunes music to be DRM-free. When did you buy your iTunes songs? You do realize that all older iTunes songs are DRM-protected, right? That means nothing but iTunes and iPods can play it. If you have DRM-protected iTunes music, you can upgrade to non-DRM music for 30¢ per song. That 30¢ per song is actually a good deal, because not only will your music be DRM-free, but it will also be of higher audio quality. Old iTunes songs are 128-kbps AAC, while non-DRM iTunes songs are 256-kbps AAC. -- hawaiijim hawaiijim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37570 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77156 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Playlists when using USB drive
Mnyb;537726 Wrote: > As soon as I involve my Touch or Radio ca 170 songs makes it totally > unresponsive 100% cpu until you won't care anymore the whole system > just dies. I'm starting to get the sense that the Touch is a giant software bug that also plays music. -- hawaiijim hawaiijim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37570 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77386 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Playlists when using USB drive
JJZolx;537718 Wrote: > Not "also". It's describing exactly the scenario you describe. It's a > cap when using the built-in server of the Touch. If you're using > another server running on a computer or NAS then the cap is whatever is > set on that server (which defaults to 500, but can be increased.) Yes also. People who have never had a Squeezebox before don't know how the Squeezebox works. Usually when I think of a server, I think of it in terms of client-server, as in one device connecting to another. So the question is whether the built-in server is what the Touch uses when it is directly playing songs stored on itself. I guess the answer is yes. JJZolx;537718 Wrote: > Yes, it's limited to 100 tracks when using the built-in server with a > USB drive or SD card. I think this is due to memory problems with the > Touch when running the server. Wow. I mean ... wow. If I don't want to keep my PC running all the time, so store songs directly on the Touch instead, I'll be limited to playlists of 100 songs. Really? A playlist is just text. I can't see how that uses up much memory. I think Logitech just lost a sale. Wow. Lame. -- hawaiijim hawaiijim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37570 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77386 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Playlists when using USB drive
OK, I see 'here' (http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Squeezebox_Touch_as_a_Home_Music_Server#No_Configurable_Settings) that when using the Touch as a home music server, "The maximum playlist length is capped at 100 tracks." I don't quite understand exactly what this means. I assume it's saying that if you have a Squeezebox Touch and a Squeezebox Radio, that the maximum number of tracks you can listen to on the Radio (via the Touch) is 100. However, does that also mean that if I only have a Squeezebox Touch, and I listen to songs stored on SD card, that my maximum SD card playlist will be 100? Could someone with a Squeezebox Touch please confirm whether you can have playlists longer than 100 songs when playing songs stored on USB drive or SD card? -- hawaiijim hawaiijim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37570 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77386 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Playlists when using USB drive
usch;535674 Wrote: > But be aware that - according to the release notes - playlists on the > Touch are limited to 100 items anyway. The Touch only allows playlists of 100 songs? That seems rather limiting. -- hawaiijim hawaiijim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37570 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77386 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] coax and rca out
If your receiver has different options depending on digital or analog input, it may be worth using both. -- hawaiijim hawaiijim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37570 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77580 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] But... It sounds soooo good
Are you guys using the analog jacks? If you use digital output, shouldn't the bits arriving at your receiver be exactly the same regardless of which digital music player you use? I'm wondering whether the compliments regarding sound quality are just due to the placebo effect, like the guys who think they get better sound from $50 HDMI cables than from $5 HDMI cables. -- hawaiijim hawaiijim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37570 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77478 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Amazon.com user reviews needed!
pounce;535752 Wrote: > I don't trust any reviews on Amazon unless they are "Amazon Verified > Purchase". Too many fanboys or haters posting nonsense reviews without > ever buying the product. It's not just fanboys and haters. There are people who get paid by the publisher to write positive book reviews on Amazon. Then there is also the Kindle one-star campaign that is currently attacking author Michael Lewis for the fact that his new book is not yet available for the Kindle. (The Squeezebox Touch may soon be getting one-star ratings if there's not a Kindle version of it for $9.99.) > The warning flags for this poster was they just joined this forum, their > first post was asking for people to go to Amazon and add reviews and > they linked to a product page for a vendor other than Amazon. Call me > silly... You're not silly. I have a blog that frequently gets hit with link spam, so I am quick to delete any comments that look spammy. I fully admit that my creation of this thread hits the red flags. (For the record, my post above was 'my third' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/search.php?searchid=3786195), but any posts within the first few days should be suspect.) In my defense, I present the following evidence: 1. Amazon.com sells all the other Squeezeboxes, so it is almost certain they will sell the Touch when it becomes available to most online retailers. 2. It is not unreasonable to encourage reviews on the website of a big name retailer like Amazon.com, Crutchfield, Wal-Mart, Best Buy, etc. It is the presence of the no-name seller on Amazon that is making my request suspicious. 3. An hour before posting the request for reviews on this forum, 'I posted a similar request' (http://www.amazon.com/User-reviews-needed/forum/Fx1JA1LDKD0RA6Z/Tx1255VRJ69H6X0/1/ref=cm_cd_dp_ef_tft_tp?_encoding=UTF8&s=electronics&asin=B002LARRDA&store=electronics) in the Customer Discussions section Amazon.com's Squeezebox Touch page under the username "JP". 4. From that Customer Discussion, you can click on my username to view 'my Amazon.com profile' (http://www.amazon.com/gp/pdp/profile/A1CJJ1R2EL5EP/). From that profile, you can confirm that JP's nickname is hawaiijim, which is my username here. You can also view all my product reviews that go back to June 1, 2000, as well as my Listmania Lists, etc, demonstrating that I am a legitimate Amazon.com customer. 5. I don't know how to prove that I am not related to C4DEALZ, because it is impossible to prove a negative, but if I was there's a good chance it would be mentioned on my Amazon.com profile. -- hawaiijim hawaiijim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37570 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77369 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Amazon.com user reviews needed!
pounce;535661 Wrote: > Just an odd request to have reviews posted on Amazon if your just want > to how people feel about the product. Does an Amazon listed review > somehow make it more valid that reading through the posts here or > asking specific questions about the product in these forums? > > Vendors often use links to their products in forums in exactly the way > you posted. It increases search results and the likelihood that someone > would make the purchase from the link without being aware they were > picking a 3rd party vendor vs buying direct from amazon Amazon has a star rating system that gives a sense of how much people like or dislike an item. Crutchfield is similar, but has a smaller customer base. This forum doesn't have a star rating system. Also, in a user review, people generally give their overall impression, while this forum seems dominated with bug reports. It's hard to tell whether the complaints here are overall opinions or just people listing pet peeves on a site where they can get help. If Amazon or Crutchfield user reviews were as critical as this forum, I wouldn't buy the Touch. It never occurred to me that asking for user reviews on a major retailer's website would look suspicious, but since Amazon doesn't actually have it themselves yet, just one of their "sellers" does, I get it. -- hawaiijim hawaiijim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37570 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77369 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] International users getting screwed again..
dmg;535553 Wrote: > I just checked Amazon.com again and noticed that one retailer is now > selling for 334.99. I don't think the price is adjusted because of my > CDN IP address, although others might want to check it out. That's > capitalism for you. : ) The pent up demand is causing at least one > retailer to jack prices. > > As an aside, I also note the following in the product description: > "Currently, item can be shipped only within the U.S." Ha! That's funny. I see it too. That retailer was selling it for $299.99 about an hour ago. It must be selling well compared to the available stock. When I say Amazon.com I mean Amazon.com itself, not one of its shady "sellers". -- hawaiijim hawaiijim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37570 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77371 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] International users getting screwed again..
iPhone;535523 Wrote: > Again its not discriminatory pricing, its the price that market will > bear. Actually, 'it is price discrimination' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_discrimination): "Wikipedia" Wrote: > Price discrimination, or price differentiation [1], exists when sales of > identical goods or services are transacted at different prices from the > same provider. In general, the practice of charging different customers > different prices is called price discrimination.[1] In a theoretical > market with perfect information, perfect substitutes, and no > transaction costs or prohibition on secondary exchange (or re-selling) > to prevent arbitrage, price discrimination can only be a feature of > monopolistic and oligopolistic markets[2], where market power can be > exercised. "Discrimination" in this case is not a bad thing, it's just a way of maximizing revenue. Actually, the definition I quoted appears to be incorrect. A better definition is 'here' (http://ingrimayne.com/econ/Monopoly/PriceDiscrimination.html). > A seller price discriminates when it charges different prices to > different buyers. The ideal form of price discrimination, from the > seller's point of view, is to charge each buyer the maximum that the > buyer is willing to pay. Sometimes price discrimination is done with different versions of the same product, such as the different versions of MS Windows 7 that sell at different prices. -- hawaiijim hawaiijim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37570 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77371 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] International users getting screwed again..
iPhone;535523 Wrote: > Again its not discriminatory pricing, its the price that market will > bear. Actually, 'it is price discrimination' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_discrimination): "Wikipedia" Wrote: > Price discrimination, or price differentiation [1], exists when sales of > identical goods or services are transacted at different prices from the > same provider. In general, the practice of charging different customers > different prices is called price discrimination.[1] In a theoretical > market with perfect information, perfect substitutes, and no > transaction costs or prohibition on secondary exchange (or re-selling) > to prevent arbitrage, price discrimination can only be a feature of > monopolistic and oligopolistic markets[2], where market power can be > exercised. "Discrimination" in this case is not a bad thing, it's just a way of maximizing revenue. Actually, the definition I quoted appears to be incorrect. A better definition is 'here' (http://ingrimayne.com/econ/Monopoly/PriceDiscrimination.html). > A seller price discriminates when it charges different prices to > different buyers. The ideal form of price discrimination, from the > seller's point of view, is to charge each buyer the maximum that the > buyer is willing to pay. Sometimes price discrimination is done with different versions of the same product, such as the different versions of MS Windows 7 that sell at different prices. -- hawaiijim hawaiijim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37570 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77371 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] International users getting screwed again..
dmg;535522 Wrote: > If I follow the link to the Amazon Global Program store, I notice that > the Touch is not available through this link. But, as I said, I have > not tried to complete a checkout on Amazon.com for the Touch. For the record, the Touch is not yet available from Amazon.com in the U.S. I'm just assuming it will be soon. They've got all the other Squeezeboxes. As a test, try to see what info you get for a Squeezebox Boom. -- hawaiijim hawaiijim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37570 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77371 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] International users getting screwed again..
Sike;535520 Wrote: > My main point of this thread was that Logitech is/was selling the device > for 225 $ themselves, not a discounter, while we europeans have to wait > until it becomes availible and then pay double. You could always move to the states. We'd love to have you. -- hawaiijim hawaiijim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37570 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77371 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] International users getting screwed again..
dmg;535471 Wrote: > If you live in Canada, you must purchase from the Amazon.ca Web site, > not Amazon.com. This doesn't seem right to me. I can go to Amazon.com (not Amazon.ca) right now and see their 'shipping rates to Canada' (http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html/ref=hp_navbox_596184_faq?nodeId=596192): $7.99 per shipment plus $1.99 per item. These rates are different than the 'rates listed on Amazon.ca' (http://www.amazon.ca/gp/help/customer/display.html?ie=UTF8&nodeId=915472), even though, 'according to Economist.com' (http://www.economist.com/markets/), the U.S. dollar is currently roughly equal in value to the Canadian dollar. On the Amazon.com page, 'it says' (http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html/ref=hp_navbox_lnship_int?nodeId=596184): > Amazon.com gladly accepts orders from all around the globe. Available > product lines, shipping rates and fees may vary depending on the > delivery address for your order. On the Amazon.ca page, 'it says' (http://www.amazon.ca/gp/help/customer/display.html/ref=hp_lnav_dyn?ie=UTF8&nodeId=915470): > Amazon.ca can ship to almost any address in the world. Click the links > to the left for more information on costs and delivery times. Of course, I don't live in Canada so you probably know better than me, but when the Squeezebox Touch becomes available from Amazon.com it may be worth your while to at least attempt to buy it from Amazon.com (unless you REALLY need instructions in French). -- hawaiijim hawaiijim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37570 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77371 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] International users getting screwed again..
dmg;535443 Wrote: > The issue is similar in Canada, where the CDN dollar is higher than the > US dollar and yet the MSRP is $379.00 CDN. The Touch is not yet > available in Canada and one rumour has it that it will be May before > the CDN stock arrives. Are you telling me that Canadians can't buy directly from U.S. internet retailers? Amazon.com in Seattle, Washington doesn't ship to Vancouver? (Not that Amazon.com has the Touch yet, but I'm sure they will soon.) I think most credit cards can be used to buy stuff in foreign currencies for a small fee. You do have the 'same electrical outlets as us' (http://ca.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=1006051807490), right? -- hawaiijim hawaiijim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37570 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77371 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Amazon.com user reviews needed!
pounce;535388 Wrote: > Do you work for C4DEALZ? No. I've never even heard of C4DEALZ before (and I wouldn't buy from them for that very reason). But, since all the other Squeezeboxes are sold by Amazon, I assume Amazon will be selling the Touch themselves before long. That said, my post above does reflect my self-interest. I want to know how good the Touch is before I buy it. I'm dying to get one, but I worry that the delayed release may indicate that it's inherently buggy. -- hawaiijim hawaiijim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37570 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77369 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] International users getting screwed again..
Wow, and I though Americans were impatient. I wouldn't count having to wait a week or two as "getting screwed". After all, think of how many months all of us have had to wait while the Touch was delayed again and again. Compared to that, a few weeks is nothing. Personally, I'm waiting so other people can find the bugs. ;) As for the US$225 price, I'm guessing that's about what it will sell for on Amazon.com once they have adequate stock. (Of course, most of you Europeans have a VAT, so you'll never see that price. That's not Logitech's fault, though.) Keep in mind that while Logitech is Swiss, SlimDevices is American, isn't it? (I understand that the software developers are in California.) -- hawaiijim hawaiijim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37570 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77371 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Access the connectet USB Drive?
I was hoping to store my songs on an SDHC card connected directly to the Touch, but I just realized that my computer's card reader only handles SD (2 GB max), not SDHC (32 GB max). I use an SDHC card for my camera, but I just transfer files to my computer via the camera's USB cable. If I want to permanently store my songs on an SDHC card connected to the Touch, I assume from what's been said above that I could copy them from my computer via WiFi, but that would be slow. (I could just do it overnight while I sleep.) Is it possible to plug a USB drive into the Touch and copy files from it to an SDHC card also connected to the Touch? I see no hardware reason to prevent it, but I don't know what the Touch's software interface is like. -- hawaiijim hawaiijim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37570 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77267 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] Amazon.com user reviews needed!
I strongly encourage those of you who have received your Squeezebox Touch to add a brief user review to Amazon.com. There are no reviews there yet. Is it cool? Is it buggy? Potential Touch customers want to know. The Amazon.com page for the Squeezebox Touch is 'here' (http://www.amazon.com/dp/B002LARRDA/). -- hawaiijim hawaiijim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37570 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77369 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 500 track maximum in playlist?
tebling;535274 Wrote: > I just brought my Touch home, unpacked, did the firmware update, and > connected it to SBS 7.5.0 over ethernet. Regardless of whether I add > tracks from the Touch itself or from the web interface, I cannot add > more than 500 tracks - otherwise it comes up with a message saying > "playlist full" and caps the playlist to 500 items. > > Please tell me this isn't a limitation of the Touch?! I have a SB3 and > even a SliMP3, neither of which have this problem. Wow, that would be really dumb on Logitech's part if it's true. It should at least be able to handle 512 tracks. Where did their software developers go to school? All joking aside, I see no technological reason (besides memory) for it to max out at any value under 4,294,967,295, the size of an unsigned long int. -- hawaiijim hawaiijim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37570 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77368 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Support of SDXC SD Cards (>32 GB)
danull;535156 Wrote: > Not sure if I can revive an old thread (does this make me a > troublemaker) - but I am interested in the answer to whether Touch will > be able to support these SDXC cards in the future (i.e. out of the box, > with a firmware update, or can't happen) and looks like we never got a > real answer... I strongly doubt it will. I'm not aware of any SD readers that can now handle SDHC due to a software upgrade. Hardware matters. What you're asking for is the equivalent of an old DVD player now being able to play Blu-Ray just because of a software upgrade. Dream on! I'm willing to bet the Squeezebox Touch 2 will have a much larger screen and SDXC capability, but that will be several years away. -- hawaiijim hawaiijim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37570 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=70281 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
