Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Static IP
JohnSwenson;538759 Wrote: Thats why I said to plug it into a laptap rather than a router or switch on the LAN. Most people are not running a software DHCP server on their laptop so connecting direct to a laptop will make a connection without servicing the DHCP request. John S. That's what I did and I don't have a software DHCP server running on my laptop. My Touch had a IP address (192.168.1.5) assigned to it by DHCP already so I did the method you described in your first post and chose a new static IP address (192.168.1.144). Then I reconnected to my wireless network. After that I checked the diagnostics screen on my Touch and those two IP addresses where blinking back and forth. I thought maybe the static IP I chose would show up after I rebooted my Touch but only the old DHCP assigned IP showed up. I repeated the same steps after I turned off DHCP on my router, (turning DHCP back on after I saw my static IP show up in the diagnostics screen) and now I have a static IP. -- oofda oofda's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=36801 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77625 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Static IP
I almost agree, but would state that in an enterprise DHCP is better even with mostly static machines because of the extra management bells and whistles it provides. Yes, even servers get DHCP. At the home with consumer grade equipment and less need to manage pools of IP's and changing infrastructure do what works for the issue at hand. -- pounce pounce's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12645 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77625 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Static IP
You must not work at a company of any size or have anything to do with IT infrastructure. -- pounce pounce's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12645 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77625 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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pounce;538704 Wrote: You must not work at a company of any size or have anything to do with IT infrastructure. Please, let's try to be civil. That or have anything to do with... phrase crossed the line, in my opinion. My impression is that Jim is pretty thick-skinned, but that's no excuse for leveling condescending ad hominem attacks. -- peterw http://www.tux.org/~peterw/ Free plugins: 'AllQuiet' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/AllQuiet.html) 'Auto Dim/AutoDisplay' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/AutoDisplay.html) 'BlankSaver' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/BlankSaver.html) 'ContextMenu' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/ContextMenu.html) 'DenonSerial' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/DenonSerial.html) 'FuzzyTime' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/FuzzyTime.html) 'KidsPlay' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/KidsPlay.html) 'KitchenTimer' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/KitchenTimer.html) 'PlayLog' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/PlayLog.html) 'PowerCenter/BottleRocket' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/PowerCenter.html) 'SaverSwitcher' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SaverSwitcher.html) 'SettingsManager' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SettingsManager.html) 'SleepFade' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SleepFade.html) 'StatusFirst' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/StatusFirst.html) 'SyncOptions' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SyncOptions.html) 'VolumeLock' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/VolumeLock.html) peterw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2107 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77625 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Static IP
No worries, guys. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77625 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Static IP
I honestly meant it as factual without any tone or intent of attack. Working in IT at a large scale I have a different perspective and I can imagine that perspectives are different in smaller company. My apologies to anyone that may have been offended. Honestly. -- pounce pounce's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12645 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77625 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Static IP
upstatemike wrote: Cannot disagree more with this. You are entitled to have your own opinions. But nothing you have written has changed mine. 3- Keep your router and your WAP(s) as separate devices. The best location for a WAP is rarely the best spot for a router (and vice versa) and few devices are going to excel at both tasks. I agree completely with this, but sadly most consumer WiFi routers don't support converting them to being just a WAP. DD-WRT and Tomato, of course, can fix that. But that is a g The idea that everything can be wireless, everything DHCP, and all running through a combo wireless router/game console type device is going to yield good results is just not realistic. I never suggested anything close to this. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Static IP
JohnSwenson;537754 Wrote: Right now there are two ways to set the IP address, either ssh and modify the files, OR try and connect to a machine without a DHCP server and it will then ask if you want to setup a static IP. The easiest way to do this is run a cable from the Touch to a laptop ethernet port (NOT the switch or router on your LAN), assuming the laptop is NOT running a DHCP server. Go to settingsadvancednetworking and choose the network type as ethernet, this will try and connect to a DHCP server over the wire. It won't find one, then give you the option to use a static IP, say yes and enter the address. Unplug the wire from the laptop and go back to your normal connection (wired or wireless). Yeah its a little messy but you don't have to edit the files on the Touch. John S. This won't work unless you disable the DHCP server of your router before you try to assign the static IP. You can turn it back on afterward. See here: http://logitech-en-amr.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/logitech_en_amr.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=16721p_created=1270698973 This method seems to work on the Radio too. -- oofda oofda's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=36801 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77625 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Static IP
oofda;538754 Wrote: This won't work unless you disable the DHCP server of your router before you try to assign the static IP. You can turn it back on afterward. See here: http://logitech-en-amr.custhelp.com/cgi-bin/logitech_en_amr.cfg/php/enduser/std_adp.php?p_faqid=16721p_created=1270698973 This method seems to work on the Radio too. Thats why I said to plug it into a laptap rather than a router or switch on the LAN. Most people are not running a software DHCP server on their laptop so connecting direct to a laptop will make a connection without servicing the DHCP request. John S. -- JohnSwenson JohnSwenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5974 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77625 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Static IP
JohnSwenson;537754 Wrote: The easiest way to do this is run a cable from the Touch to a laptop ethernet port (NOT the switch or router on your LAN), assuming the laptop is NOT running a DHCP server. Many thanks John, great solution! Worked perfectly! -- ziggyb63 ziggyb63's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11682 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77625 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Static IP
JohnSwenson;537754 Wrote: The easiest way to do this is run a cable from the Touch to a laptop ethernet port (NOT the switch or router on your LAN), assuming the laptop is NOT running a DHCP server. Go to settingsadvancednetworking and choose the network type as ethernet, this will try and connect to a DHCP server over the wire. It won't find one, then give you the option to use a static IP, say yes and enter the address. Unplug the wire from the laptop and go back to your normal connection (wired or wireless). That should go in the wiki. Good trick. -- pounce pounce's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12645 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77625 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Static IP
But isn't the easiest way to set a static IP on the home network simply to reserve one on the router? I thought most routers offer this possibility as a standard feature these days - you just configure it to assign the device's MAC address to the IP address you want it to have, and then when the device connects to the router, the DHCP assigns the reserved address - no mess, no fuss. My Linksys does this anyway. But maybe I'm missing something. Swimmer -- Swimmerbird123 Swimmerbird123's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17285 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77625 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Static IP
Swimmerbird123;537937 Wrote: But isn't the easiest way to set a static IP on the home network simply to reserve one on the router? But maybe I'm missing something. You are. Reserved addresses are not the same as static -- the client still has to run DHCP software, still has to check in to renew leases, etc. upstatemike, I think the reason is simply that Logitech wanted to simplify the setup menus. 99% don't use static IPs, and I expect 90% don't know what dhcp and static ip mean. It seems reasonable to use dhcp if there's a device on the subnet willing to hand out leases. John -- nice trick! -- peterw http://www.tux.org/~peterw/ Free plugins: 'AllQuiet' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/AllQuiet.html) 'Auto Dim/AutoDisplay' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/AutoDisplay.html) 'BlankSaver' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/BlankSaver.html) 'ContextMenu' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/ContextMenu.html) 'DenonSerial' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/DenonSerial.html) 'FuzzyTime' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/FuzzyTime.html) 'KidsPlay' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/KidsPlay.html) 'KitchenTimer' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/KitchenTimer.html) 'PlayLog' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/PlayLog.html) 'PowerCenter/BottleRocket' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/PowerCenter.html) 'SaverSwitcher' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SaverSwitcher.html) 'SettingsManager' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SettingsManager.html) 'SleepFade' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SleepFade.html) 'StatusFirst' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/StatusFirst.html) 'SyncOptions' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SyncOptions.html) 'VolumeLock' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/VolumeLock.html) peterw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2107 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77625 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Static IP
I have seen many reference to static IP addresses, but this is the first time I saw a clear description of how to set it up. I still have one question. What number do you use for the static IP address. There are a lot of numbers in the world--an infinite number of numbers. -- mpower9 mpower9's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33930 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77625 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Static IP
mpower9;538293 Wrote: I have seen many references to static IP addresses, but this is the first time I saw a clear description of how to set it up. Thanks you for explaining the difference between static and reserve. I still have one question. What number do you use for the static IP address. There are a lot of numbers in the world--an infinite number of numbers. Another reason static ips might be used over a static DHCP address is speed. If the device sleeps then when it wakes up getting an IP is an extra handshake that is not instant. I have been meaning to try setting up my SB Controller with a static ip to see if that improves its wake up time. -- m1abrams m1abrams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=850 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77625 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Static IP
mpower9;538293 Wrote: I have seen many references to static IP addresses, but this is the first time I saw a clear description of how to set it up. Thanks you for explaining the difference between static and reserve. I still have one question. What number do you use for the static IP address. There are a lot of numbers in the world--an infinite number of numbers. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_address -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77625 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Static IP
mpower9 wrote: I have seen many reference to static IP addresses, but this is the first time I saw a clear description of how to set it up. I still have one question. What number do you use for the static IP address. It depends. Your network, subnetwork, etc will have a range of legal values. Most Cable/DSL modems provide DHCP service, and you don't have to care. But if you do, you should look at the values the modem/router/access point is using, and use one in that range. Of course, the only safe way to pick on is to use the modem/router's admin panel, and specify one that it won't use. How you do that depends on the router/modem. In general, static IP addresses entered manually is a really bad idea. That is how the Internet worked for the first years, and if you pick a duplicate number, things break badly. That is why DHCP was invented. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Static IP
pfarrell;538296 Wrote: In general, static IP addresses entered manually is a really bad idea. That is how the Internet worked for the first years, and if you pick a duplicate number, things break badly. That is why DHCP was invented. ...drifting off-topic... For *public* addresses? I'm not, nor have I ever been, a full-time network guy, but I have never seen, nor heard of, anyone using DHCP on the public Internet. DHCP is what you use on your company's internal network. I guess I *have* seen DHCP used with addresses properly assigned by the IANA, but not for publicly-reachable addresses. This was just a company with a forward-looking IT guy who requested some address blocks back when they were easy to get, well before we started reading about that fancy Mosaic software from the kids downstate. If you've got enough /24 (and larger) blocks to cover your internal network, why not use real addresses for private space? It does make VPN with businesses partners easier when you know they aren't, or darn well shouldn't be, using the same address ranges. -- peterw http://www.tux.org/~peterw/ Free plugins: 'AllQuiet' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/AllQuiet.html) 'Auto Dim/AutoDisplay' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/AutoDisplay.html) 'BlankSaver' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/BlankSaver.html) 'ContextMenu' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/ContextMenu.html) 'DenonSerial' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/DenonSerial.html) 'FuzzyTime' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/FuzzyTime.html) 'KidsPlay' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/KidsPlay.html) 'KitchenTimer' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/KitchenTimer.html) 'PlayLog' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/PlayLog.html) 'PowerCenter/BottleRocket' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/PowerCenter.html) 'SaverSwitcher' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SaverSwitcher.html) 'SettingsManager' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SettingsManager.html) 'SleepFade' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SleepFade.html) 'StatusFirst' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/StatusFirst.html) 'SyncOptions' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SyncOptions.html) 'VolumeLock' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/VolumeLock.html) peterw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2107 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77625 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Static IP
peterw wrote: pfarrell;538296 Wrote: In general, static IP addresses entered manually is a really bad idea. That is how the Internet worked for the first years, and if you pick a duplicate number, things break badly. That is why DHCP was invented. ...drifting off-topic... For *public* addresses? I'm not, nor have I ever been, a full-time network guy, but I have never seen, nor heard of, anyone using DHCP on the public Internet. You are correct, I meant for internal within your home network. I believe, perhaps incorrectly, that 99% of all SqueezeBoxen are connected to a private network in you house. Of course, if its a public IP address, then your ISP will tell you want to use, and you have no real options. For most users, the DSL/router/modem/access point will deal with the public side. That too is often DHCP, but that is up to the ISP and their networking folks. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Static IP
peterw;538298 Wrote: ...drifting off-topic... For *public* addresses? I'm not, nor have I ever been, a full-time network guy, but I have never seen, nor heard of, anyone using DHCP on the public Internet. I have a public IP address for my cable internet connection. I guarantee that it's assigned via DHCP, as are 10's of millions of DSL public addresses. From my cable modem log: Code: 1970-01-01 00:00:17 7-Information DHCP - parameters acquired 1970-01-01 00:00:17 7-Information DHCP: ACK: Setting (*) CM TFTP Boot file: d11_m_sb5120_speedtiertb25_c01.cm 1970-01-01 00:00:17 7-Information DHCP: Setting CM IP address to: 96.168.xxx.xxx 1970-01-01 00:00:17 7-Information DHCP: Setting (*) CM Syslog Server address to: 0.0.0.0 1970-01-01 00:00:17 7-Information DHCP: Setting (*) CM Time Server address to: 68.87.xxx.xxx 1970-01-01 00:00:17 7-Information DHCP: Setting (*) CM Subnet mask to: 255.255.248.0 1970-01-01 00:00:17 7-Information DHCP: Setting (*) CM Gateway address to: 96.168.xxx.xxx 1970-01-01 00:00:17 7-Information DHCP: OFFER: Setting (*) CM TFTP Boot file: d11_m_sb5120_speedtiertb25_c01.cm 1970-01-01 00:00:17 7-Information DHCP select: Setting (*) CM TFTP Server address to: 68.87.xxx.xxx 1970-01-01 00:00:17 7-Information DHCP: Offered (*) CM IP address to: 96.168.xxx.xxx I've never managed a large web hosting network, but it would be conceivable to also use DHCP for IP address assignment (that, or NAT) in order to manage a very large number of servers. Those two applications right there probably account for the bulk of all public IP addresses in use today. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77625 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Static IP
Swimmerbird123;537937 Wrote: But isn't the easiest way to set a static IP on the home network simply to reserve one on the router? I thought most routers offer this possibility as a standard feature these days - you just configure it to assign the device's MAC address to the IP address you want it to have, and then when the device connects to the router, the DHCP assigns the reserved address - no mess, no fuss. My Linksys does this anyway. But maybe I'm missing something. Swimmer This is not static IP it's DHCP with same IP for each client all the time. Touch will still run it's DHCP client requesting an IP. The routers DHCP server will stil reply with a settings for it (even if they are the same) leases will still expire etc. It would still take that extra time for DHCP negotiation and some thing DHCP could still go wrong, in router or Touch/radio/controller. -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J and assorted amps SiriuS, Classe'Primare and Dynadio speakers (including a pair of Contour 4 ) Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Miscellaneous use: Radio (with battery) I use a Controller various ir-remotes and a Eee-PC with squeezeplay to control this Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77625 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Static IP
This is a helpful discussion - so much to learn about networking! I'm curious how mysqueezebox.com handles a static IP address. I've been experimenting a bit and using the Touch diagnostic screen to check the assigned IP address of the Touch with various connection arrangements. Running off the router or a second subnet also with DHCP, it gets assigned an expected IP address on the corresponding subnet. But when the Touch is running off of mysqueezebox.com, it gets assigned an IP of the form 68.xxx.yyy.zzz which is an 'external' WAN address, not a LAN address. Am I right to assume that mysqueezebox.com is assigning this address, and doing it with some kind of DHCP, or would it be my ISP? What would mysqueezebox.com (or my ISP) do if I had already assigned a static IP to my Touch? Thanks Swimmer -- Swimmerbird123 Swimmerbird123's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17285 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77625 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Swimmerbird123 wrote: Am I right to assume that mysqueezebox.com is assigning this address, and doing it with some kind of DHCP, or would it be my ISP? What would mysqueezebox.com (or my ISP) do if I had already assigned a static IP to my Touch? No, mysqueezebox.com does not change your computer's IP address. And the Touch is a computer. Its your ISP, or the equipment that your ISP provided, does the assignment. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Static IP
Swimmerbird123;538309 Wrote: This is a helpful discussion - so much to learn about networking! I'm curious how mysqueezebox.com handles a static IP address. I've been experimenting a bit and using the Touch diagnostic screen to check the assigned IP address of the Touch with various connection arrangements. Running off the router or a second subnet also with DHCP, it gets assigned an expected IP address on the corresponding subnet. But when the Touch is running off of mysqueezebox.com, it gets assigned an IP of the form 68.xxx.yyy.zzz which is an 'external' WAN address, not a LAN address. Am I right to assume that mysqueezebox.com is assigning this address, and doing it with some kind of DHCP, or would it be my ISP? What would mysqueezebox.com (or my ISP) do if I had already assigned a static IP to my Touch? Thanks Swimmer Nope LAN is handled by your router WAN handlad by your ISP mysqueezebox.com lika any other internet based service use the given infrastructure to communicate . mysqueezebox.com or almost anything i know about does not know care about your LAN it's what your router is doing translates all your internal LAN stuf to an external WAN ip that is seen from the outside To see your external WAN adress http://www.whatsmyip.org/ -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J and assorted amps SiriuS, Classe'Primare and Dynadio speakers (including a pair of Contour 4 ) Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Miscellaneous use: Radio (with battery) I use a Controller various ir-remotes and a Eee-PC with squeezeplay to control this Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77625 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Static IP
ziggyb63;537732 Wrote: Just got my Touch, still finding out all it can do... in terms of assigning a static Ip address, is the only way either disabling DHCP on the router, and\or SSH-ing in and modifying the appropriate file? I like to keep a tight rein on IP addresses and would have thought there would have been an easier way - I had nightmares assigning static IPs to my Duet receiver, would have thought it would be easy on the Touch It is easier, for the receiver you also had to resort to net::udap and ssh to the controller. The receiver was the tricky part. Now you only have the Touch to deal with, and SSH to. There is an old bug about it you want to vote from 2008 or so.. -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J and assorted amps SiriuS, Classe'Primare and Dynadio speakers (including a pair of Contour 4 ) Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Miscellaneous use: Radio (with battery) I use a Controller various ir-remotes and a Eee-PC with squeezeplay to control this Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77625 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Static IP
Right now there are two ways to set the IP address, either ssh and modify the files, OR try and connect to a machine without a DHCP server and it will then ask if you want to setup a static IP. The easiest way to do this is run a cable from the Touch to a laptop ethernet port (NOT the switch or router on your LAN), assuming the laptop is NOT running a DHCP server. Go to settingsadvancednetworking and choose the network type as ethernet, this will try and connect to a DHCP server over the wire. It won't find one, then give you the option to use a static IP, say yes and enter the address. Unplug the wire from the laptop and go back to your normal connection (wired or wireless). Yeah its a little messy but you don't have to edit the files on the Touch. John S. -- JohnSwenson JohnSwenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5974 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77625 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Static IP
John- Do you know if this works with Radio too? Maybe I'll try it tonight (I've been meaning to setup the Radio with Static IP, but haven't spent any time making sure I understood which file(s) to modify and what the correct syntax would be!) -- tcutting tcutting's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17402 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77625 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Static IP
tcutting;537758 Wrote: John- Do you know if this works with Radio too? Maybe I'll try it tonight (I've been meaning to setup the Radio with Static IP, but haven't spent any time making sure I understood which file(s) to modify and what the correct syntax would be!) Sorry, no clue if this works on the Radio or not. It might, you can certainly try. John S. -- JohnSwenson JohnSwenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5974 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77625 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Static IP
Why why why after all the complaints with the Duet and static IPs would Logitech even think of not providing a simple menu item for this on the Touch? What is the big deal about including this simple feature that has always existed on the SB3 and earlier models? What possible reason could there be? -- upstatemike 6x SliMP3, 1x SB1, 2x SB2, 10x SB3, 2x SBR, 4x SBC, 1x Boom upstatemike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6409 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77625 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Static IP
I believe this is the correct bug, which currently has 37 VOTES! (Sadly, it's been around since March of 2008, and it's listed as NEW and UNASSIGNED, with Target Milestone of Future!) I suggest we continue to vote for it, and continue to raise the issue on this forum - maybe it will get some attention now the Touch is released. http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7502 -- tcutting tcutting's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17402 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77625 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Static IP on Touch
squeezetouch;535275 Wrote: Try replacing the IP address in your echo line with your ISP's actual DNS IP address instead your routers. (like shown here) Code: up echo 'nameserver 210.55.12.1' /etc/resolv.conf and maybe comment out the dns 192.168.1.1. Just made these changes in my Touch and also removed the the script call line. Rebooted and it connected without any problem. Selected Internet Radio and it's playing any station I select. Ron made a typo of some kind, it works perfect Here is what it is now Code: # cat interfaces auto lo iface lo inet loopback iface eth0 inet dhcp script /etc/network/udhcpc_action mapping wlan0 script /etc/network/if_mapping auto wlan0=Liogor iface Liogor inet static address 192.168.1.14 network 192.168.1.0 broadcast 192.168.1.255 netmask 255.255.255.0 gateway 192.168.1.1 dns 192.168.1.1 up echo 'nameserver 192.168.1.1' /etc/resolv.conf I prefer to use my router for DNS, it works well in that respect and if my isp changes DNS servers, all my players are already ok. Or if I change isp again. My router has no problems with dns, i have not yet faced the dreaded log in problems with mysqueezebox.com (wich often is a dns symptom except for when the service is choked with new user ;) like every time they release a new product) Edit: I do have problems like everybody else if the server is down Funny thing it did not take the first time i tried today ? I did :wq in vi, ok. did cat to see if really had changed pulled the plug and it restarted with the old file !? did it again the i saved first with :w then i did :wq to be sure then i did a reboot with the reboot comand and then double checked by pulling the plug ? wot was that -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J and assorted amps SiriuS, Classe'Primare and Dynadio speakers (including a pair of Contour 4 ) Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Miscellaneous use: Radio (with battery) I use a Controller various ir-remotes and a Eee-PC with squeezeplay to control this Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77340 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Static IP on Touch
And now I removed eht0 completely (for the time being) works ok too -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J and assorted amps SiriuS, Classe'Primare and Dynadio speakers (including a pair of Contour 4 ) Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Miscellaneous use: Radio (with battery) I use a Controller various ir-remotes and a Eee-PC with squeezeplay to control this Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77340 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Static IP on Touch
Mnyb;535348 Wrote: made a typo of some kind, it works perfect Funny thing it did not take the first time i tried today ? I did :wq in vi, ok. did cat to see if really had changed pulled the plug and it restarted with the old file !? did it again the i saved first with :w then i did :wq to be sure then i did a reboot with the reboot comand and then double checked by pulling the plug ? wot was that In vi you can use :x to save and exit. Have never used :wq together, theoretically it should work, but am used to using :x by habit to save and exit. Always used reboot within ssh though. Haven't tried pulling the plug to restart, this may be the difference - like hardware reboot vs software reboot? - I don't know and haven't tested it. I probably never though of using the plug option to reboot because I'm too lazy ;-) You see, my Touch is in the lounge at one end of the house and I'm in the office at the other end of the house. Too far to walk for a hardware reboot every time I've made a change. Typing reboot and hitting enter is much easier :-) Ron -- squeezetouch squeezetouch's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37522 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77340 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Static IP on Touch
Mnyb wrote:
Hi need a hint on how to edit the Interfaces file for Touch
(figured it out for controller and Radio but not for Touch)
I've not done that, but I do end up with similar results.
I run my own DHCP server, and allocate fixed IP addresses (NAT'd to my
network) for all the devices in the house, including all my SqueezeBoxen.
Something like:
host fab4 {
hardware ethernet 00:04:20:22:01:54;
fixed-address 172.16.4.61;
}
host fab4wire {
hardware ethernet 00:04:20:22:00:3f;
fixed-address 172.16.4.62;
}
works perfectly. I just installed DHCPdaemon on the same box as my
SqueezeBoxServer
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Static IP on Touch
Mnyb;534982 Wrote: These factory resets when you do it wrong is tedious.. and boring to reset everything else. You need a good reset script. When doing dangerous stuff like this remotely on normal Linux systems (a great example is tweaking the firewall on a server that's hours away from me), I like to do things like schedule an 'at' job to run 5 minutes later that restores the old config file and stop/starts networking. Then I can at least get back in pretty quickly if I goof badly. Since Touch doesn't have 'at' or 'cron' facilities, you need to do something like make a shell script like Code: #!/bin/sh sleep 300 # you should have saved a known good config to /etc/network/interfaces.orig cat /etc/network/interfaces.orig /etc/network/interfaces ifdown -f wlan0 ifup wlan0 and then run that in the background. If your new config works, you can use the 'jobs' command to get the background task ID and 'kill %N' to stop it. If you new config fails, sit tight and wait for the background shell script to save you. -- peterw http://www.tux.org/~peterw/ Free plugins: 'AllQuiet' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/AllQuiet.html) 'Auto Dim/AutoDisplay' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/AutoDisplay.html) 'BlankSaver' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/BlankSaver.html) 'ContextMenu' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/ContextMenu.html) 'DenonSerial' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/DenonSerial.html) 'FuzzyTime' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/FuzzyTime.html) 'KidsPlay' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/KidsPlay.html) 'KitchenTimer' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/KitchenTimer.html) 'PlayLog' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/PlayLog.html) 'PowerCenter/BottleRocket' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/PowerCenter.html) 'SaverSwitcher' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SaverSwitcher.html) 'SettingsManager' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SettingsManager.html) 'SleepFade' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SleepFade.html) 'StatusFirst' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/StatusFirst.html) 'SyncOptions' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/SyncOptions.html) 'VolumeLock' (http://www.tux.org/~peterw/slim/VolumeLock.html) peterw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2107 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77340 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Static IP on Touch
Can you run cat on your actual interfaces file on the Touch and paste here . The devil is in the details ;) I tried something along what I used on my controller and radio (where eth0 is wifi on SBC eth1 is wifi on radio). Thanks for the scripts sugestion , I've never tried a script in linux before ? It is a text file *.sh ? where to i put it ? or can i type it directly in the shell and it will run (I supose then it will run once). On my controller I have Code: # cat interfaces auto lo iface lo inet loopback mapping eth0 script /etc/network/if_mapping auto eth0=Liogor iface Liogor inet static address 192.168.1.6 network 192.168.1.0 broadcast 192.168.1.255 netmask 255.255.255.0 gateway 192.168.1.1 dns 192.168.1.1 up echo 'nameserver 192.168.1.1' /etc/resolv.conf # My radio has Code: # cat interfaces auto lo iface lo inet loopback mapping eth1 script /etc/network/if_mapping auto eth1=Liogor iface Liogor inet static address 192.168.1.8 network 192.168.1.0 broadcast 192.168.1.255 netmask 255.255.255.0 gateway 192.168.1.1 dns 192.168.1.1 up echo 'nameserver 192.168.1.1' /etc/resolv.conf # The unmolested Touch has this: Code: # cat interfaces auto lo iface lo inet loopback iface eth0 inet dhcp script /etc/network/udhcpc_action mapping wlan0 script /etc/network/if_mapping auto wlan0=Liogor iface Liogor inet dhcp script /etc/network/udhcpc_action # I tried to add my stuff after *auto wlan0* But it did not work I must have missed something. Peter did I thank you for solving my 2 year old firewall mystery for me -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J and assorted amps SiriuS, Classe'Primare and Dynadio speakers (including a pair of Contour 4 ) Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Miscellaneous use: Radio (with battery) I use a Controller various ir-remotes and a Eee-PC with squeezeplay to control this Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77340 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Static IP on Touch
Sorry forgot to mention. Restart your network or reboot the Touch after the change in 'interfaces'. Ron -- squeezetouch squeezetouch's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37522 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77340 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Static IP on Touch
squeezetouch;535251 Wrote: Sorry forgot to mention. Restart your network or reboot the Touch after the change in 'interfaces'. Ron restart the player should do it (it usually does) will try to boot router too. Must have missed some tiny tiny thing I suppose you get DNS because you left the udhcp action in there ? I wanted to aviod that script function whatever. My goal initially with the controller was to aviod all dchp stuff anywhere near my squeezebox system :) It have worked splendidly for over 2 years never have any weird network problems. There where doubts about the staability of the dhcp implementation in the controller, initially it had problems Static settings everywhere makes wonders for stability (and using a router with tomato software or dd-wrt) In principle I want static for fixed parts of my network, my mobile stuff use dhcp laptops phones etc. I wish the devs could get working on that static-ip when dchp server is present bug :rolleyes: since 2007/2008 hmm. I really is basic functionality. -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J and assorted amps SiriuS, Classe'Primare and Dynadio speakers (including a pair of Contour 4 ) Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Miscellaneous use: Radio (with battery) I use a Controller various ir-remotes and a Eee-PC with squeezeplay to control this Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77340 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
