Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] MQA via Tidal.........
Huey11 wrote: > > If that is true, the question can become: is this client id used, a > "borrowed" one (such as the tidal-connect certs from ifi seem to float > around), or is it maybe (and hopefully) easy for @MHerger to maybe > obtain such an id from Tidal, so that also mqa enable streams become > available? > Yes I would love to see this too. The limitation in the Tidal plugin not being able to stream hi-res MQA "Master" tracks properly means I really can't use the plugin. It looks like there is no real way to get the Tidal Connect plugin working on piCoreplayer either. Blew's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=72346 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] MQA via Tidal.........
Pommes wrote:
> Yes, I remember, but that was about tidalbstreaming wasnt it?
> This time we are talking about MQA files on the server, and my DAC shows
> the 3 LEDs and blue led, which it didnt with Tidal.
> So what would be the way to check, if it is working right?
> Just with my ears I am not able to distinguish between usual lossless
> and Hi-Rez
I am a bit confused where we stand in this discussion: the goal is to
have the Tidal streaming bit-perfect to stay mqa enabled, so a capable
DAC is able to unfold etc, right?
I tend to agree with the conclusion that for Tidal streaming the plugin
seems to be the limiting factor.
A local mqa file at least sounds very ok on my mqa capable dac, and
samplerates and identifiers all show as what would be expected for
hi-res mqa files and normal res mqa files that are indeed place locally
on the server.
Some looking around seems to show that on kodi a plugin is available
that allows tidal streaming and one code change seems to imply that for
mqa enable streams, a different authentication id ("Use a MQA-Enabled
client_id to enable MQA") is additionally needed. (maybe need to take
some time to install a kodi with that plugin to further investigate that
route)
If that is true, the question can become: is this client id used, a
"borrowed" one (such as the tidal-connect certs from ifi seem to float
around), or is it maybe (and hopefully) easy for @MHerger to maybe
obtain such an id from Tidal, so that also mqa enable streams become
available?
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] MQA via Tidal.........
Pommes wrote: > Yes, I remember, but that was about tidalbstreaming wasnt it? This time > we are talking about MQA files on the server, and my DAC shows the 3 > LEDs and blue led, which it didnt with Tidal. > So what would be the way to check, if it is working right? > Just with my ears I am not able to distinguish between usual lossless > and Hi-Rez A-hah! Sorry, my mistake. I did see that @mook wrote "I don't do Tidal", but I thought the question was still about what would happen after signing up for Tidal, because this is a Tidal thread. As an old boss of mine used to say, "There you go, thinking again..." (to which he added the first time, "Who told you to think?"). MQA files on your server are indeed probably working right with those settings, and I don't think you need to check any further, but if you wanted to then you'd require a DAC with a display that shows the sample rate in numbers. Don't worry about not being able to hear the difference. 'A study in the UK' (http://www.doc.gold.ac.uk/~mas03dm/papers/SoundQuality_WilliamsonSouthMullensiefen_ICMPC2014.pdf) found that many people cannot distinguish between different sample rates, and some of those who do prefer Hi Res can often only describe it in emotional terms. I can usually hear it very clearly, but in many ways I'm jealous of those who can't, because it gives me OCD about things like sample rate displays, lol. LMS: SGC microJukebox running Sonicorbiter OS Control apps: Squeezelite-X on Win 10; Squeezer or Material web app on Android Players: Duet, Touch (two), Mac SqueezePlay, Win Squeezelite-X on laptop and HTPC left channel's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=67918 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] MQA via Tidal.........
left channel wrote: > I hate to bring you down, but I notice neither of you have DACs that > show specific numbers. Just because a DAC perceives an MQA flag and > lights up, does not mean the correct unfolding is taking place. I tested > this a while back and got only 16/44.1, as have others. But I hope > you're right and something has changed, and look forward to reports of > genuine MQA bit depths and sample rates. Yes, I remember, but that was about tidalbstreaming wasnt it? This time we are talking about MQA files on the server, and my DAC shows the 3 LEDs and blue led, which it didnt with Tidal. So what would be the way to check, if it is working right? Just with my ears I am not able to distinguish between usual lossless and Hi-Rez The Earth Has Music For Those Who Listen Pommes's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=67682 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] MQA via Tidal.........
Pommes wrote: > Yea, replaygain off and volume att 100% is required Mook wrote: > Pommes, thank you for your assistance. I got my Node 2i today and am up > and running! I hate to bring you down, but I notice neither of you have DACs that show specific numbers. Just because a DAC perceives an MQA flag and lights up, does not mean the correct unfolding is taking place. I tested this a while back and got only 16/44.1, as have others. But I hope you're right and something has changed, and look forward to reports of genuine MQA bit depths and sample rates. LMS: SGC microJukebox running Sonicorbiter OS Control apps: Squeezelite-X on Win 10; Squeezer or Material web app on Android Players: Duet, Touch (two), Mac SqueezePlay, Win Squeezelite-X on laptop and HTPC left channel's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=67918 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] MQA via Tidal.........
Pommes wrote: > Yea, replaygain off and volume att 100% is required Pommes, thank you for your assistance. I got my Node 2i today and am up and running! Very satisfied! Mook- Mook's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=70647 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] MQA via Tidal.........
Mook wrote: > Thanks, Pommes. > > Any special settings on the Touch? I believe I read somewhere that > ReplayGain needs to be disabled. > > I've been reading too many things! Yea, replaygain off and volume att 100% is required The Earth Has Music For Those Who Listen Pommes's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=67682 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] MQA via Tidal.........
Pommes wrote: > I have a Meridian explorer 2 connected to my touch, and when I play MQA > files in full volume, the colored LED lights up, showing unfolding of > MQa file. So I think yes, you can play MQA in full resolution to a MQA > DAC connected to your touch. Thanks, Pommes. Any special settings on the Touch? I believe I read somewhere that ReplayGain needs to be disabled. I've been reading too many things! Mook's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=70647 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] MQA via Tidal.........
Mook wrote: > Quick question. Rather than start a new thread I may get an answer here. > Caveat: I don't do Tidal. > > Does a MQA encoded file passed through a Touch modify the file? > > I want to pass MQA files through the Touch to a DAC that will do the > unfolding/rendering. > > I don't want to do Roon if possible. I love my Touch and LMS. I have a Meridian explorer 2 connected to my touch, and when I play MQA files in full volume, the colored LED lights up, showing unfolding of MQa file. So I think yes, you can play MQA in full resolution to a MQA DAC connected to your touch. The Earth Has Music For Those Who Listen Pommes's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=67682 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] MQA via Tidal.........
Quick question. Rather than start a new thread I may get an answer here. Caveat: I don't do Tidal. Does a MQA encoded file passed through a Touch modify the file? I want to pass MQA files through the Touch to a DAC that will do the unfolding/rendering. I don't want to do Roon if possible. I love my Touch and LMS. Mook's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=70647 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] MQA via Tidal.........
starcat wrote: > Hi gang, > > what are the plans for a better integration of Tidal in LMS? > Both in terms of quality (like being able to play higher than 16/44.1) > and usability/browsing? > > Your work is highly appreciated and I have full blown LMS in three > homes. It's highly unlikely Logitech will pay for the MQA licensing and approval process. Browsing improvements might be possible, tho I can't speak for Michael of course. Personally I use LMS mostly for Qobuz and Radio Paradise. LMS: SGC microJukebox running Sonicorbiter OS Control apps: Squeezelite-X on Win 10; Squeezer or Material web app on Android Players: Duet, Touch (two), Mac SqueezePlay, Win Squeezelite-X on laptop and HTPC left channel's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=67918 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] MQA via Tidal.........
Hi gang, what are the plans for a better integration of Tidal in LMS? Both in terms of quality (like being able to play higher than 16/44.1) and usability/browsing? Your work is highly appreciated and I have full blown LMS in three homes. starcat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15970 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] MQA via Tidal.........
terjehaa wrote: > I also am curious about this... any hope? > So far Tidal has only enabled it in the Tidal desktop app for PC and > Mac, but I would like to play the MQA albums through my SB Touch :cool: I also would love to see an updated Tidal plugin with MQA capabilities, at least with unfolded passthrough to capable hardware, if this can be done without license(?)! And maybe unfolding of some sort in the plugin for some level of hi-res audio from capable Squeezebox players, if possible, as and idea for a paid add-on possibility to support such development? Br, Vegard Vegz78's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32897 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] MQA via Tidal.........
venaka wrote: > > Just feel like there should be something easier then a laptop...Like a > app on the phone...Roon? You mean, like Audioquest Dragonfly Red running Tidal app over iPhone? vitoruch's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13918 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] MQA via Tidal.........
Pommes wrote: > So i just checked again > On Tidal app Mac i created a playlist with MQA Masters, 2 white and 1 > blue led. > I opened this playlist in LMS and only one white led was lit. > > So, yes, you are right: > The LMS Tidal app doesn't stream MQA properly. > > > Some files in Tidal on LMS will show blue or green leds, but often > without any white leds, or just one white led, so something is wrong... Yeah correct..Now my squeezebox touch is just used as a digital clock. I have Meridian Explorer 2 connected with AudioEnvy's two in one cable to my laptop, and its blue all the time on master tracks. That guy above that said 1 out of 100,000 hear a difference has no idea what he is talking about or has to upgrade his speakers or whole system..My wife, as woman have the beast hearing, said wow that record sounds nice..Nope , not records , MQA baby..Now to upgrade my thorens turntable. Just feel like there should be something easier then a laptop...Like a app on the phone...Roon? venaka's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=68824 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] MQA via Tidal.........
Thanks @Pommes that is what I expected: undecoded MQA streams will at best come through from Tidal at 24/48, but the LMS plugin is not designed to ensure even that much. The LMS plugin also does not know how to pass the raw MQA signal through, so there's no way for your DAC to do any decoding on your end. Any other sample rate indication is an error, unless it's in the MQA CD format @Cebolla mentioned, but that would make it 16/44.1 in this case, and anyway as far as I know Tidal does not host anything in the MQA CD format. LMS: SGC microJukebox Control apps: Squeezelite-X on Win, Squeezer or Material web app on Android Players: Duet, Touch (two), Mac SqueezePlay, Win Squeezelite-X on laptop and HTPC left channel's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=67918 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] MQA via Tidal.........
left channel wrote: > This is interesting. A green LED means it detected the MQA envelope > (green for verified MQA, or blue for verified MQA approved by the artist > or label). But how many white LEDs are lighting up, and do they show the > correct sample rate? People with more detailed displays have reported in > other situations that although they were seeing a green or blue LED, the > sample rate on their display was higher or lower than it should be. In > other words, the DAC was just as confused as I am about this. > > You can check the sample rate by using the Tidal desktop app set to MQA > passthrough, instead of LMS. Or you can look up the sample rate in the > unofficial MQA spreadsheet, MQA_list.csv in the first post 'here [link]' > (https://www.meridianunplugged.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat=268318). > You would see a pink/purplish LED if a track were being decoded to 1x by > Tidal, but that requires Tidal's own app or other licensed software. > Green or blue LEDs indicate that your MQA-capable Explorer 2 should be > fully unfolding the signal to the full final resolution. So i just checked again On Tidal app Mac i created a playlist with MQA Masters, 2 white and 1 blue led. I opened this playlist in LMS and only one white led was lit. So, yes, you are right: The LMS Tidal app doesn't stream MQA properly. Some files in Tidal on LMS will show blue or green leds, but often without any white leds, or just one white led, so something is wrong... The Earth Has Music For Those Who Listen Pommes's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=67682 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] MQA via Tidal.........
I've yet to see any TIDAL client software that doesn't have official TIDAL approval to access MQA tracks actually stream them at a resolution other than 16/44.1kHz - the TIDAL LMS plugin is no different. This means that TIDAL's online server either supplies a resampled version of the MQA tracks from the standard undecoded/delivery resolution (ie 24/44.1kHz or 24/48kHz) so in all likelyhood corrupting the MQA data, or it swaps them for for an MQA-CD version. I'm betting on the former. Cebolla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=65043 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] MQA via Tidal.........
left channel wrote: > This is interesting. A green LED means it detected the MQA envelope > (green for verified MQA, or blue for verified MQA approved by the artist > or label). But how many white LEDs are lighting up, and do they show the > correct sample rate? People with more detailed displays have reported in > other situations that although they were seeing a green or blue LED, the > sample rate on their display was higher or lower than it should be. In > other words, the DAC was just as confused as I am about this. > > You can check the sample rate by using the Tidal desktop app set to MQA > passthrough, instead of LMS. Or you can look up the sample rate in the > unofficial MQA spreadsheet, MQA_list.csv in the first post 'here [link]' > (https://www.meridianunplugged.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat=268318). > You would see a pink/purplish LED if a track were being decoded to 1x by > Tidal, but that requires Tidal's own app or other licensed software. > Green or blue LEDs indicate that your MQA-capable Explorer 2 should be > fully unfolding the signal to the full final resolution. Some songs showed only green or only blue led. The Mozart songs showed green led with 2 white leds, if that helps. My Tidal Test subscription is over, so I cant help you further . I think in a blindtest there is only 1 in 1 who can hear the difference... The Earth Has Music For Those Who Listen Pommes's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=67682 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] MQA via Tidal.........
Pommes wrote: > On my explorer 2 I got a green led indicating MQA when I streamed some > Mozart mqa from tidal. > It is hard to find mqa in Squeezebox Tidal app. > And replaygain has to be disabled, volume fixed to 100% > So it is working correctly. This is interesting. A green LED means it detected the MQA envelope (green for verified MQA, or blue for verified MQA approved by the artist or label). But how many white LEDs are lighting up, and do they show the correct sample rate? People with more detailed displays have reported in other situations that although they were seeing a green or blue LED, the sample rate on their display was higher or lower than it should be. In other words, the DAC was just as confused as I am about this. You can check the sample rate by using the Tidal desktop app set to MQA passthrough, instead of LMS. Or you can look up the sample rate in the unofficial MQA spreadsheet, MQA_list.csv in the first post 'here [link]' (https://www.meridianunplugged.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat=268318). You would see a pink/purplish LED if a track were being decoded to 1x by Tidal, but that requires Tidal's own app or other licensed software. Green or blue LEDs indicate that your MQA-capable Explorer 2 should be fully unfolding the signal to the full final resolution. LMS: SGC microJukebox Control apps: Squeezelite-X on Win, Squeezer or Material web app on Android Players: Duet, Touch (two), Mac SqueezePlay, Win Squeezelite-X on laptop and HTPC left channel's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=67918 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] MQA via Tidal.........
left channel wrote: > It's not at all clear to me that MQA can come through LMS. Does your DAC > indicate the correct final sample rate for each file, or something > in-between? There are often "false positives" when a DAC detects an MQA > envelope, but the file is not actually "unfolded" because the DAC is not > receiving a 1x software decoded stream to render, nor is it receiving > pass through of the raw signal because LMS does neither of those things. > I have never been able to get my Pre Box S2 Digital to detect MQA via > LMS. On my explorer 2 I got a green led indicating MQA when I streamed some Mozart mqa from tidal. It is hard to find mqa in Squeezebox Tidal app. And replaygain has to be disabled, volume fixed to 100% So it is working correctly. The Earth Has Music For Those Who Listen Pommes's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=67682 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] MQA via Tidal.........
venaka wrote: > Just got the Meridian Explorer 2 and connected to the SBT towards my > amp.. Works perfect. One think I don't understand is that the blue or > green light only show on certain albums even though I have played albums > that are on the MQA list. I'm using the squeeze ctrl from angry goat to > run the SBT but there is no easy way to find an MQA files through his > app or the SBT interface. > > Either way it sounds awesome when all three lights are white. Just > wondering if I need to do anything in the settings from the SBT..All I > did was go into settings and made sure the SBT was using the Meridian Ex > 2. > > > Thanks Pommes wrote: > Same here: > Tidal MQA works on SBT with Meridian Explorer 2 USB DAC:-) It's not at all clear to me that MQA can come through LMS. Does your DAC indicate the correct final sample rate for each file, or something in-between? There are often "false positives" when a DAC detects an MQA envelope, but the file is not actually "unfolded" because the DAC is not receiving a 1x software decoded stream to render, nor is it receiving pass through of the raw signal because LMS does neither of those things. I have never been able to get my Pre Box S2 Digital to detect MQA via LMS. LMS: SGC microJukebox Control apps: Squeezelite-X on Win, Squeezer or Material web app on Android Players: Duet, Touch (two), Mac SqueezePlay, Win Squeezelite-X on laptop and HTPC left channel's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=67918 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Same here: Tidal MQA works on SBT with Meridian Explorer 2 USB DAC:-) The Earth Has Music For Those Who Listen Pommes's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=67682 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] MQA via Tidal.........
Just got the Meridian Explorer 2 and connected to the SBT towards my amp.. Works perfect. One think I don't understand is that the blue or green light only show on certain albums even though I have played albums that are on the MQA list. I'm using the squeeze ctrl from angry goat to run the SBT but there is no easy way to find an MQA files through his app or the SBT interface. Either way it sounds awesome when all three lights are white. Just wondering if I need to do anything in the settings from the SBT..All I did was go into settings and made sure the SBT was using the Meridian Ex 2. Thanks venaka's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=68824 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] MQA via Tidal.........
LeeRankin wrote: > are there any plans for a tidal plugin update any time to enable MQA > functionality? My understanding is that given Tidal handle the first > unfolding process within their desktop app, the squeezebox plugin just > needs to interface and pass through a bit perfect steam for MQA to be > recognised and processed thereafter by capable dacs - ie meridian > explorer etc. > > Other Tidal apps such as the kodi plugin now have this feature enabled. > it's such a shame we cannot access this via squeezebox. > > here's hoping.. > > lee Hi folks, I agree, but it seems, someone has to pay for mqa license, right. Upgraded duet sqezzebox is mine favorite streamer, with linear psu and spdif out works as a charm with my DAC. In Tidal app. option there is only setting for hi fi and mp3, mqa is not supported and i don't think it will be supported ever. Is there any other app to play music from tidal than squeezer that works fine with sqezzebox? thx petarst's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66289 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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are there any plans for a tidal plugin update any time to enable MQA functionality? My understanding is that given Tidal handle the first unfolding process within their desktop app, the squeezebox plugin just needs to interface and pass through a bit perfect steam for MQA to be recognised and processed thereafter by capable dacs - ie meridian explorer etc. Other Tidal apps such as the kodi plugin now have this feature enabled. it's such a shame we cannot access this via squeezebox. here's hoping.. lee LeeRankin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63958 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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most of the rest on digital, probably 48 kHz sample rate. onliner's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=67318 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] MQA via Tidal.........
DanSmedra wrote: > You do remember that the Squeezebox was first and foremost a STREAMER? > Minor quibble. The original squeezeboxes were only able to play one's own digital music collection and didn't work with any music streaming services. That came later. *Home:* VortexBox 4TB (2.4) > LMS 7.9.1 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.4) > LMS 7.9.1 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win8(64) > LMS 7.9.1 > Squeezelite *Spares:* Transporter, Touch(3), Radio(3), Boom, SB3, CONTROLLER *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng & Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpoweramp > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Julf wrote: > ...Archimago is about to publish the results of his listening tests, > let's see what they tell us. "Clarity...not agreement." I've read his posts. He tells anyone who has invested tens of thousands of dollars in owning a hi-res music file collection and equipment to play it, that they can exist without psychological torment that some better sound is available at a cheaper price point. I can understand the potential for emotional trauma and I'm happy that the angst can now subside. However, there exists a whole other (larger?) class of listeners...those who primarily stream music rather than own it. You do remember that the Squeezebox was first and foremost a STREAMER? For us, the questions about MQA are entirely different. What matters is whether 1) MQA sounds superior to the currently available 1411 FLAC file (TIDAL) on our equipment and 2) whether there exists enough of my favorite artists in MQA to justify the purchase of MQA-certified hardware? My A/B tests above was only concerned with these factors. For now, I'm content with TIDAL app's software decoding of MQA as being superior to the non-MQA streaming version. I don't give a rat's ass whether the "material that you know was identical." My TIDAL subscription price is the same whether I play the non-MQA or the MQA version. "Clarity...not agreement." *Source*: TIDAL HiFi, Pandora One > MySqueezebox.com using iPeng 9.2.1 app on iPhone6s/iPad *Great Room*: SB Touch(1) > AudioQuest TOS > PSAudio DL3 DAC > Audio Envy 10' cables > 200w powered Martin Logan (ML) Purity speakers, SB Touch(2) >JVC 110w amp > ML Motion 4 & AudioEngine 5. *Garage:* SB Touch(3) > CullenCoax > Wyred mINT > Cullen Cables > ML Motion 12 *Carry Anywhere: *TIDAL >iPhone 6s > Bose Mini BT speaker. *Streaming Media:* https://www.facebook.com/groups/535747176592597/ DanSmedra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=62637 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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DanSmedra wrote: > PS. I've done A vs. B tests of MQA on another system of mine and am > convinced it's here to stay. With material that you know was identical apart from the encoding? Anyway, Archimago is about to publish the results of his listening tests, let's see what they tell us. "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Since the Forum's search doesn't recognize "mqa" for search, I don't know if this question has already been asked. Will the full-folded MQA file pass through the SBT? I'm curious if the SBT can be used in conjunction with Mytek's Brooklyn DAC? *Source*: TIDAL HiFi, Pandora One > MySqueezebox.com using iPeng 9.2.1 app on iPhone6s/iPad *Great Room*: SB Touch(1) > AudioQuest TOS > PSAudio DL3 DAC > Audio Envy 10' cables > 200w powered Martin Logan (ML) Purity speakers, SB Touch(2) >JVC 110w amp > ML Motion 4 & AudioEngine 5. *Garage:* SB Touch(3) > CullenCoax > Wyred mINT > Cullen Cables > ML Motion 12 *Carry Anywhere: *TIDAL >iPhone 6s > Bose Mini BT speaker. *Streaming Media:* https://www.facebook.com/groups/535747176592597/ DanSmedra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=62637 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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LeeRankin wrote: > is there any hope of LMS integration with MQA material in Tidal any time > soon? I am currently running 2 systems concurrently which isn't ideal . > I understand this may be a lower priority in the development stakes and > really appreciate the fine work the devs do on the Squeezebox platform > in general but a quick yeah/nay would be great. > I think it is extremely unlikely, as it would require (as far as I can tell) access to proprietary MQA information/code. "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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is there any hope of LMS integration with MQA material in Tidal any time soon? I am currently running 2 systems concurrently which isn't ideal . I understand this may be a lower priority in the development stakes and really appreciate the fine work the devs do on the Squeezebox platform in general but a quick yeah/nay would be great. cheers and hear's hoping. lee LeeRankin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63958 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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DanSmedra wrote: > The near-term future for streaming is MQA. :cool: mherger wrote: > Please stop it here. 'nuff said? "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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The future for streaming is MQA. Time for shades? :cool: http://musically.com/2017/02/16/umg-backs-mqa-predicts-half-dozen-hi-res-streaming-launches-2017/ *Source*: TIDAL HiFi, Pandora One > MySqueezebox.com using iPeng 9.2.1 app on iPhone6s/iPad *Great Room*: SB Touch(1) > AudioQuest TOS > PSAudio DL3 DAC > Audio Envy 10' cables > 200w powered Martin Logan (ML) Purity speakers, SB Touch(2) >JVC 110w amp > ML Motion 4 & AudioEngine 5. *Garage:* SB Touch(3) > CullenCoax > Wyred mINT > Cullen Cables > ML Motion 12 *Carry Anywhere: *TIDAL >iPhone 6s > Bose Mini BT speaker. *Streaming Media:* https://www.facebook.com/groups/535747176592597/ DanSmedra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=62637 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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DanSmedra, Julf, I just returned from two weeks of vacation. My kids gave me enough childish fights for a while. Please stop it here. You'll never agree. You'll never win. -- Michael ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Julf wrote: > It tells us something about* your* subjective preference. That is not > very useful for anyone else. Oh...really? LOL. Good to know you've transcended those lowly human "subjective" and cornered the market on the "useful" objective evaluation. Leaving your ears out of the equation, can you explain to the audience how your oscilloscope tells you "useful" things? Just what are you smoking in Amsterdam? Let me guess, you've discovered the "scientific approach" to the realm of judging beauty and tastes. What do art, music, and food critics know...anyway! I'll bet Julf is really popular with the Scandinavian crowd. Folks...Julf has arrived from on "high"... to share his "objective evaluations" of what is in "fact" GOOD vs. BAD sounding music. :rolleyes: *Source*: TIDAL HiFi, Pandora One > MySqueezebox.com using iPeng 9.2.1 app on iPhone6s/iPad *Great Room*: SB Touch(1) > AudioQuest TOS > PSAudio DL3 DAC > Audio Envy 10' cables > 200w powered Martin Logan (ML) Purity speakers, SB Touch(2) >JVC 110w amp > ML Motion 4 & AudioEngine 5. *Garage:* SB Touch(3) > Wyred mINT > Cullen Cables > ML Motion 12 *Carry Anywhere: *TIDAL >iPhone 6s > Bose Mini BT speaker. *Streaming Media:* https://www.facebook.com/groups/535747176592597/ DanSmedra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=62637 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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DanSmedra wrote: > Well, sure it does. Where did you misplace your common sense? No, it doesn't. It tells us something about* your* subjective preference. That is not very useful for anyone else. > MQA wouldn't exist in the first place and the majority of individuals > who began (starting with #1) and have comment wouldn't be interested in > getting the Squeezebox Touch modified to play MQA. The reason MQA exists is probably that Meridian was losing licensing revenue from MLP. > As said before, you've expended lots of energy to hijack this thread for > the sole purpose of denigrating MQA, streaming music, and insulting > others. Not really - it is all been in response to you pushing MQA. > Your comments belong in Ripping/_*Encoding*_/Transcoding/Tagging. Knock > yourself out. In that case, so would your postings... :) "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Julf wrote: > ...it doesn't say anything about the...benefits of the MQA technology. Well, sure it does. Where did you misplace your common sense? It's aesthetic more pleasing to a growing number of TIDAL premium subscribers than non-MQA. That's NOT a benefit? If that wasn't, MQA wouldn't exist in the first place and the majority of individuals who began (#1) and comment wouldn't be interested in getting the Squeezebox Touch modified to play MQA. Since you don't have any experience with TIDAL MQA, _you_don't_hold_an_*informed_*opinion_ on the matter...which is the essence of bigotry. As said before, you've expended lots of energy to hijack this thread for the sole purpose of denigrating MQA, streaming music, and insulting others. Your comments belong in Ripping/_*Encoding*_/Transcoding/Tagging. Knock yourself out. *Source*: TIDAL HiFi, Pandora One > MySqueezebox.com using iPeng 9.2.1 app on iPhone6s/iPad *Great Room*: SB Touch(1) > AudioQuest TOS > PSAudio DL3 DAC > Audio Envy 10' cables > 200w powered Martin Logan (ML) Purity speakers, SB Touch(2) >JVC 110w amp > ML Motion 4 & AudioEngine 5. *Garage:* SB Touch(3) > Wyred mINT > Cullen Cables > ML Motion 12 *Carry Anywhere: *TIDAL >iPhone 6s > Bose Mini BT speaker. *Streaming Media:* https://www.facebook.com/groups/535747176592597/ DanSmedra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=62637 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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DanSmedra wrote: > BASED ON MY RECENT LISTENING EXPERIENCE [/B]*VIA TIDAL STREAMING**, I > PREFER THE AESTHETIC QUALITY OF MQA'D ALBUMS/MUSIC OVER THE > **NON*[B]-MQA'D VERSIONS OF THE SIMILAR ALBUM. > > My statement is both rational and fact-based. Thank you - that statement is indeed both rational and fact-based. Unfortunately it doesn't say anything about the possible functioning and benefits of the MQA technology. > Why do you wish to argue with this statement? i don't. > Do you believe in some empirically "objective" form of sound/music that > doesn't pass through YOUR ears and nervous system on its way to human > consciousness? This discussion definitely belongs in the "audiophile" section. I am not going to address the mostly philosophical issue of "objective forms of music". What I do believe in is some empirically objective form of signal reproduction - that is what we are talking about here. Taking a recording, as it exists in the mastering system, and transferring the recorded waveform to your DAC. > At every level of human experience, would-be scientists come forward to > endorse the -myth of objective consciousness-, thus certifying > themselves as experts. And because they know and we do not, we yield to > their guidance. p. 208-209 Heh, yes. No, you don't have to yield to the guidance of experts and science, but if you don't, it would be nice if you also had the intellectual honesty not to leach on the results of the work of experts and scientists. :) "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Well ofcourse it sounds different :) otherwise Tidal marketing guys done something wrong . I would like to get my hands on some MQA tracks . Software decode them them to 24/192 then convert them to 16/44.1 and do a DBT . I've done similar things with my 24/96 and 24/192 Hd downloads and DVDA's. Downconverted the actual hd track to cd res NOT compared the CD version or some other version that's apples and oranges. Btw proper listening s test are hard to do , be 100% sure abut that the level is the same proper blinding and foremost is it the same thing ( same master ). So MQA brings something that not even proper 24/192 or 24/96 does not do ? OK. In level matched blind tests with the same material no human can hear the difference between 24/192 and 16/44.1 that's a fact. Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Julf wrote: > ...preferably using rational, fact-based arguments LOL BASED ON MY RECENT LISTENING EXPERIENCE [/B]*VIA TIDAL STREAMING**, I PREFER THE AESTHETIC QUALITY OF MQA'D ALBUMS/MUSIC OVER THE **NON*[B]-MQA'D VERSIONS OF THE SIMILAR ALBUM. My statement is both rational and fact-based. Why do you wish to argue with this statement? That like wanting to argue with a person who says "I like vanilla ice cream rather than chocolate." SMH. Do you believe in some empirically "objective" form of sound/music that doesn't pass through YOUR ears and nervous system on its way to human consciousness? This reminds me of a segment from Prof. Theodore Roszak 1969 book, THE MAKING OF A COUNTER CULTURE: Reflections on the Technocratic Society (scientific elites) and Its Youthful Opposition. An expert, we say, is one to whom we turn because he is in control of reliable knowledge about that which concerns us. In the case of the technocracy, the experts are those who govern us because they know (reliably) about all things relevant to our survival and happiness: human needs, social engineering, economic planning, international relations, invention, education, etc. Very well, but what is reliable knowledge? How do we know it when we see it? The answer is: reliable knowledge is knowledge that is scientifically sound, since science is that to which modern man refers for the definitive explication of reality. And what in turn is it that characterizes scientific knowledge? The answer is: -objectivity.- Scientific knowledge is not just feeling or speculation or subjective ruminating. It is said to be a verifiable description of reality that exists independent of any purely personal considerations. It is true real dependable it works. And that at last is how we define an expert: he is one who -really -knows what is what, because he cultivates an objective consciousness. Thus, if we probe the technocracy in search of the peculiar power it holds over us, we arrive at the -myth of objective consciousness.- There is but one way [according to scientisms elite and followers] of gaining access to realityso the myth holdsand this is to cultivate a state of consciousness cleansed of all subjective distortion, all personal involvement. What flows from this state of consciousness qualifies as knowledge (fact!), and nothing else does. This is the bedrock on which the [modern] natural sciences have built, and under their spell all fields of knowledge strive to become 'scientific'. The study of man in his social, political, economic, psychological, historical [and religious] aspectsall this, too, must become objective: rigorously, painstakingly objective. At every level of human experience, would-be scientists come forward to endorse the -myth of objective consciousness-, thus certifying themselves as experts. And because they know and we do not, we yield to their guidance. p. 208-209 *Source*: TIDAL HiFi, Pandora One > MySqueezebox.com using iPeng 9.2.1 app on iPhone6s/iPad *Great Room*: SB Touch(1) > AudioQuest TOS > PSAudio DL3 DAC > Audio Envy 10' cables > 200w powered Martin Logan (ML) Purity speakers, SB Touch(2) >JVC 110w amp > ML Motion 4 & AudioEngine 5. *Garage:* SB Touch(3) > Wyred mINT > Cullen Cables > ML Motion 12 *Carry Anywhere: *TIDAL >iPhone 6s > Bose Mini BT speaker. *Streaming Media:* https://www.facebook.com/groups/535747176592597/ DanSmedra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=62637 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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terjehaa wrote:
> Nearly 50 responses but no answer to OP question yet=no hope?
> Must consider a different streamer I guess..
> :(
Patience.
Squeezebox users had to wait a while for the TIDAL app to show up at
MySqueezebox.com. Since Logitech abandoned this product, it's probably
not high on their list. Whoever was the author of the TIDAL plugin
(TIDAL, Logitech, or other) refused to come forward and be identified.
MQA is likely focused on hardware and software company's (Playback
Partners: http://www.mqa.co.uk/customer/our-partners) willing to make an
investment (think money) to modify their product(s). Common sense.
If you want to sample a portion of MQA SQ, install the TIDAL desktop app
on your computer ("different streamer") and send the TIDAL Master stream
via USB to your audio system. Then identify an album in Masters and the
corresponding non-MQA album. That gives you a simple A/B test on
deblurring and potentially one decode to 24/96.
*Source*: TIDAL HiFi, Pandora One > MySqueezebox.com using iPeng 9.2.1
app on iPhone6s/iPad
*Great Room*: SB Touch(1) > AudioQuest TOS > PSAudio DL3 DAC >
Audio Envy 10' cables > 200w powered Martin Logan (ML) Purity
speakers, SB Touch(2) >JVC 110w amp > ML Motion 4 & AudioEngine 5.
*Garage:* SB Touch(3) > Wyred mINT > Cullen Cables > ML Motion 12
*Carry Anywhere: *TIDAL >iPhone 6s > Bose Mini BT speaker.
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utgg wrote: > The problem is that any developers still active on this site that are > technically capable of doing this are probably also technical capable > enough to see that MQA is a waste of time... Yup, you're probably right and my interest was only to test the MQA hype. and was hoping it could be fixed pretty easily but maybe not My SBT is doing a great jo on all other areas so I'll probably keep it for a long time still :cool: terjehaa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17451 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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terjehaa wrote: > Nearly 50 responses but no answer to OP question yet=no hope? > Must consider a different streamer I guess.. > :( The problem is that any developers still active on this site that are technically capable of doing this are probably also technical capable enough to see that MQA is a waste of time... utgg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40900 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Nearly 50 responses but no answer to OP question yet=no hope? Must consider a different streamer I guess.. :( terjehaa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17451 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Mnyb wrote: > Does it not bother you that most recordings going truogh the process is > the same old analog and low res digital recordings (48kHz original > sample rate in the studio ) they already sold to us as SACD DVDA and HD > tracks downloads ( up-sampled to 96 or192 ) ? No true hirez pedigree > hence can not really benefit. > It's the same issue as with HD downloads . It's only considerable if the > original recordings is a true hirez recording to begin with . > For example 2L and AIX . > There must be real ultrasonic content in the original signal it's that > content that get MQA encoded . Not sure who your comment is directed to Mnyb? Doesn't it bother you (or whoever) that you've developed an opinion not based in fact but rather speculation and conjecture? Unless you've spoken directly with Content Providers/Partners (http://www.mqa.co.uk/customer/our-partners), you don't know the profile of the original, i.e. best studio master. If MQA makes "old analog and low res digital recordings" sound better, then MQA would be my choice. It's really a basic "cost/benefit" decision. MQA represents that Content Providers use the highest quality original for creating the MQA edition. In every A/B comparison I've listened to via TIDAL streaming, the MQA version is superior SQ. If I purchased music rather than exclusively streamed, I'd be forced to accept the reality that Content Providers are going to keep pace with emerging audio technology. If I felt there was little-to-no improvement, I simply voted with my feet--i.e. stick with what I have and don't patronize the latest and greatest. This is really common sense. *Source*: TIDAL HiFi, Pandora One > MySqueezebox.com using iPeng 9.2.1 app on iPhone6s/iPad *Great Room*: SB Touch(1) > AudioQuest TOS > PSAudio DL3 DAC > Audio Envy 10' cables > 200w powered Martin Logan (ML) Purity speakers, SB Touch(2) >JVC 110w amp > ML Motion 4 & AudioEngine 5. *Garage:* SB Touch(3) > Wyred mINT > Cullen Cables > ML Motion 12 *Carry Anywhere: *TIDAL >iPhone 6s > Bose Mini BT speaker. *Streaming Media:* https://www.facebook.com/groups/535747176592597/ DanSmedra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=62637 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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DanSmedra wrote: > Have you ever considered being creative and moving your protest movement > to your own thread? If you feel MQA needs to be defended, please feel free to do it, but preferably using rational, fact-based arguments rather than childish personal attacks. I also (again) suggest you do it in the "audiophile" subforum. "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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DanSmedra wrote: > Have you ever considered being creative and moving your protest movement > to your own thread? > > Or did you already try that and no one showed up? > > Just remember, Mother still loves you. > > 22095 Does it not bother you that most recordings going truogh the process is the same old analog and low res digital recordings (48kHz original sample rate in the studio ) they already sold to us as SACD DVDA and HD tracks downloads ( up-sampled to 96 or192 ) ? No true hirez pedigree hence can not really benefit. It's the same issue as with HD downloads . It's only considerable if the original recordings is a true hirez recording to begin with . For example 2L and AIX . There must be real ultrasonic content in the original signal it's that content that get MQA encoded . Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Julf wrote: > That Hungarian page makes me wish I had whatever stuff those guys were > smoking. Have you ever considered being creative and moving your protest movement to your own thread? Or did you already try that and no one showed up? Just remember, Mother still loves you. 22095 +---+ |Filename: momi2.jpg| |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=22095| +---+ *Source*: TIDAL HiFi, Pandora One > MySqueezebox.com using iPeng 9.2.1 app on iPhone6s/iPad *Great Room*: SB Touch(1) > AudioQuest TOS > PSAudio DL3 DAC > Audio Envy 10' cables > 200w powered Martin Logan (ML) Purity speakers, SB Touch(2) >JVC 110w amp > ML Motion 4 & AudioEngine 5. *Garage:* SB Touch(3) > Wyred mINT > Cullen Cables > ML Motion 12 *Carry Anywhere: *TIDAL >iPhone 6s > Bose Mini BT speaker. *Streaming Media:* https://www.facebook.com/groups/535747176592597/ DanSmedra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=62637 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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DanSmedra wrote: > Note link to list/spreadsheet compiled by Roon users of 1,400 albums in > TIDAL/Masters. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10VtON9VjMAt3uyHC2-Oo2MjIa3orv9DKZfwiRQKmTAA/edit#gid=945476039 *Source*: TIDAL HiFi, Pandora One > MySqueezebox.com using iPeng 9.2.1 app on iPhone6s/iPad *Great Room*: SB Touch(1) > AudioQuest TOS > PSAudio DL3 DAC > Audio Envy 10' cables > 200w powered Martin Logan (ML) Purity speakers, SB Touch(2) >JVC 110w amp > ML Motion 4 & AudioEngine 5. *Garage:* SB Touch(3) > Wyred mINT > Cullen Cables > ML Motion 12 *Carry Anywhere: *TIDAL >iPhone 6s > Bose Mini BT speaker. *Streaming Media:* https://www.facebook.com/groups/535747176592597/ DanSmedra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=62637 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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kidstypike wrote: > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10VtON9VjMAt3uyHC2-Oo2MjIa3orv9DKZfwiRQKmTAA/edit#gid=945476039 Thanks! What a list - a lot of it originally recorded on tape, with (maybe) a 13 to 14 bit SNR, most of the rest on digital, probably 48 kHz sample rate. "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Julf wrote: > No, despite looking I couldn't find it. How about posting that link > directly? That Hungarian page makes me wish I had whatever stuff those > guys were smoking. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/10VtON9VjMAt3uyHC2-Oo2MjIa3orv9DKZfwiRQKmTAA/edit#gid=945476039 LMS 7.9 on a Raspberry Pi 3/piCorePlayer 3.10, playlists and LMS cache on a USB stick, 25K+ music library on a WD MyCloud network drive, Rasberry Pi 2 > piCorePlayer 3.02 > HiFiBerry DIGI+ > AudioEngine DAC1 > AVI DM5 Raspberry Pi 3/piCorePlayer 3.10/HiFiBerry DAC+ > Cambridge Audio Minx 5 (study) 1 x Boom (dining room) - 1 x Radio (garage) - 1 x Touch (display and controller only) - 1 x SB3 (spare) kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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DanSmedra wrote: > http://audiophileheaven.blogspot.hu/2017/02/mqa-unfolding-visual-explanation.html > > Note link to list/spreadsheet compiled by Roon users of 1,400 albums in > TIDAL/Masters. No, despite looking I couldn't find it. How about posting that link directly? That Hungarian page makes me wish I had whatever stuff those guys were smoking. "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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http://audiophileheaven.blogspot.hu/2017/02/mqa-unfolding-visual-explanation.html Note link to list/spreadsheet compiled by Roon users of 1,400 albums in TIDAL/Masters. *Source*: TIDAL HiFi, Pandora One > MySqueezebox.com using iPeng 9.2.1 app on iPhone6s/iPad *Great Room*: SB Touch(1) > AudioQuest TOS > PSAudio DL3 DAC > Audio Envy 10' cables > 200w powered Martin Logan (ML) Purity speakers, SB Touch(2) >JVC 110w amp > ML Motion 4 & AudioEngine 5. *Garage:* SB Touch(3) > Wyred mINT > Cullen Cables > ML Motion 12 *Carry Anywhere: *TIDAL >iPhone 6s > Bose Mini BT speaker. *Streaming Media:* https://www.facebook.com/groups/535747176592597/ DanSmedra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=62637 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Mnyb wrote: > No service can really replace a personal collection it can only act > complementary and expose one to new stuff if it's good I buy a CD or > lossles download . That has pretty much been my philosophy too the last couple of years, but I do find myself buying less and less - I would buy more if buying online downloads was easier and the price reflected the real cost compared to CD. "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Julf wrote: > I am not really worried. I am pretty sure that MQA either goes down the > same avenue as DVD-Audio (that was supposed to be the next big thing in > hifi back in the day, and was based on, erm..., Meridian Lossless > Packing by Bob Stuart and friends), or becomes a niche format that takes > a while to die, such as DSD. DVD audio I have shelves of them :) there is still a title or two made each year ( that format was better than SACD , which is based on useless DSD ). But finding supporting players can be an issue. MLP lives on as Dolby true HD the lossles audio,format for blue rays. That worked much better . They rebranded modified it a bit sells it truogh Dolby . Licencing parties has a hard time putting another brands name on their equipment and manuals . Spotify has bizarre account limitations even for premium so Tidal becomes more interesting again despite worse playlist handling and not very good recommendations . Spotifys personal playlist of the week really works . I may have to look at another music service altogether . No service can really replace a personal collection it can only act complementary and expose one to new stuff if it's good I buy a CD or lossles download . Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Mnyb wrote: > Yep thats the thing that vories me. I am not really worried. I am pretty sure that MQA either goes down the same avenue as DVD-Audio (that was supposed to be the next big thing in hifi back in the day, and was based on, erm..., Meridian Lossless Packing by Bob Stuart and friends), or becomes a niche format that takes a while to die, such as DSD. "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Julf wrote: > Thanks - it does make some good points. > > -"At the present time, I remain skeptical of the sonic advantages of MQA > and even more skeptical of its commercial viability. There is no > question that MQA degrades the quality of the audio for users who do not > have an MQA decoder. The compatible portion of the MQA signal is > equivalent to about 13 to 15 bits at a sample rate of 44.1 kHz or 48 > kHz. The loss of resolution is due to down sampling, dither noise, and > pseudo-random noise from the high-frequency compression channel which > occupies the lower 8 to 11 bits. When fully decoded, the resolution of > MQA is limited to 17 bits at 96 kHz. Miska has shown that an MQA file > actually occupies more space than a lossless 96 kHz 18-bit PCM file! Why > settle for 17 bits when you can have an 18-bit file in a smaller > package? MQA may be promising a sonic benefit and file-size benefit that > it cannot deliver!"- > > and > > -"Note that the original 24-bit signal is never recovered. MQA does not > losslessly preserve the original 24-bit signal. For this reason MQA is > not truly a lossless system. At best, the MQA system losslessly conveys > 17-bits at 96 kHz. Unfortunately this very complicated process is less > efficient than lossless FLAC compression of the 17-bit file. It is also > only slightly smaller than a FLAC version of the original 24-bit signal. > MQA does not make it easier to stream 96 kHz files. With a 96 kHz 18-bit > input, FLAC compressed MQA requires higher data rates than FLAC > compressed PCM while delivering lower quality than 18-bit losslessly > compressed PCM. MQA also requires special mastering and special playback > hardware. Conventional FLAC compression requires neither."- Yep thats the thing that vories me . So basically not having MQA with your Tidal HIFI acount may render some tracks with less fidelity than the good old 16/44.1 they used to deliver with the hifi version :/ I was thinking about switching back to Tidal from Spotify again ? Wonder what's worse 320kBps ogg ( Spotify ) or an MQA file trough a non MQA system . Ogg is a good codec with psycholacoustics accounted for hmmm ? I "understand"( but not really ) the labels , they can yet again deliver in lossy proprietary licensed fashion not giving away the master . That arguments has so many holes in it but record labels likes it So if we need MQA it's for the wrong reasons , just to stay compatible with yet another audio format ( like we needed yet another format ) bah . That's not a step forward only commercial sytems needs to apply Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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DanSmedra wrote: > For skeptics and naysayers, here's a technical article by Benchmark > audio...just down the road from me. Is MQA DOA? (Dead On Arrival). > https://benchmarkmedia.com/blogs/application_notes/163302855-is-mqa-doa Thanks - it does make some good points. -"At the present time, I remain skeptical of the sonic advantages of MQA and even more skeptical of its commercial viability. There is no question that MQA degrades the quality of the audio for users who do not have an MQA decoder. The compatible portion of the MQA signal is equivalent to about 13 to 15 bits at a sample rate of 44.1 kHz or 48 kHz. The loss of resolution is due to down sampling, dither noise, and pseudo-random noise from the high-frequency compression channel which occupies the lower 8 to 11 bits. When fully decoded, the resolution of MQA is limited to 17 bits at 96 kHz. Miska has shown that an MQA file actually occupies more space than a lossless 96 kHz 18-bit PCM file! Why settle for 17 bits when you can have an 18-bit file in a smaller package? MQA may be promising a sonic benefit and file-size benefit that it cannot deliver!"- and -"Note that the original 24-bit signal is never recovered. MQA does not losslessly preserve the original 24-bit signal. For this reason MQA is not truly a lossless system. At best, the MQA system losslessly conveys 17-bits at 96 kHz. Unfortunately this very complicated process is less efficient than lossless FLAC compression of the 17-bit file. It is also only slightly smaller than a FLAC version of the original 24-bit signal. MQA does not make it easier to stream 96 kHz files. With a 96 kHz 18-bit input, FLAC compressed MQA requires higher data rates than FLAC compressed PCM while delivering lower quality than 18-bit losslessly compressed PCM. MQA also requires special mastering and special playback hardware. Conventional FLAC compression requires neither."- "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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photonblur wrote: > Any chance the resident geniuses will enable > MQA streaming from the Tidal touch app? The cinic in me has once again vanquished my more hopeful self. MQA whatever it's merits is being marketed to the hilt. There are MQA licensing fee agreements with legal protections that might discourage a benevolent guru from implementing and distributing a work around. If the market is there Tidal will enable decoding for it's apps. If the market will pay Tidal wil have a third payment tier, premium premium. caveat- I have no credentials whatsoever for anyone to treat my comments as anything other than a distraction photonblur's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=62018 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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...for those wanting to look "under the hood." http://www.computeraudiophile.com/content/748-mqa-civilians/ Published on 02-05-2017 09:16 PM by Chris Connaker, Founder: Computer Audiophile "A PhD isn't required to enjoy MQA. This article is my attempt at explaining how decoding and rendering work, from a civilian perspective. Most of us have seen the music origami graphs and deep technical explanations, but have no idea what any of the information actually means for us, enjoying music at home or on the go. I want to help members of the CA community understand how to get the best sound quality out of MQA. "Enjoying MQA music isn't rocket science, but it takes a little education to make the right choices. Obtaining the best quality MQA playback requires either a combination of software decoding and hardware rendering or a full decoding DAC. Fortunately, I believe 90% of MQA's benefits can be realized by only using a software decoder, called core decoding. Now that some of our favorite music is available in MQA, it's time we listen for a while rather than talk over the music. Set your systems up right and press play." "Software "core" decoding" would _seem_ feasible addition since the Squeezebox domain (e.g. Touch, LMS, etc.) allows for modification via software plugins. *Source*: TIDAL HiFi, Pandora One > MySqueezebox.com using iPeng 9.2.1 app on iPhone6s/iPad *Great Room*: SB Touch(1) > AudioQuest TOS > PSAudio DL3 DAC > Audio Envy 10' cables > 200w powered Martin Logan (ML) Purity speakers, SB Touch(2) >JVC 110w amp > ML Motion 4 & AudioEngine 5. *Garage:* SB Touch(3) > Wyred mINT > Cullen Cables > ML Motion 12 *Carry Anywhere: *TIDAL >iPhone 6s > Bose Mini BT speaker. *Streaming Media:* https://www.facebook.com/groups/535747176592597/ DanSmedra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=62637 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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DanSmedra wrote: > I fully agree! John Darko makes an interesting point regarding the > future. > > Q. I guess. But hi-res isnt a panacea for a poor recording or master > though, is it? > > Darko: No, it is not. A bad master cannot be corrected by MQA and a > nicely mastered file streamed via good old Redbook will, all other > things being equal, sound better than a dynamically compressed master > streamed via MQA. > > The things is: all things are rarely equal. Its highly probable that a > Redbook file converted to analogue by an Aqua La Scala MKII ($6,000) > will easily better the SQ of that same song MQA-d but converted to > analogue by an AudioQuest DragonFly ($200-$300). > > Beware of those now kicking Redbook and CDs as a means to sell us on the > benefits hi-res audio. Many consumers wont have the hardware to > resolve the improvements. Many more wont even care. Can we please keep this thread focused on how to listen to MQA via Tidal on a Squeezebox Touch? Discussions about subjectively perceived sound quality really belong in the "audiophile" section. "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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stop-spinning wrote: > OK, back on track, if the Tidal app on LMS can be configured to allow > MQA files to pass through "that would be fantastic". I fully agree! *Source*: TIDAL HiFi, Pandora One > MySqueezebox.com using iPeng 9.2.1 app on iPhone6s/iPad *Great Room*: SB Touch(1) > AudioQuest TOS > PSAudio DL3 DAC > Audio Envy 10' cables > 200w powered Martin Logan (ML) Purity speakers, SB Touch(2) >JVC 110w amp > ML Motion 4 & AudioEngine 5. *Garage:* SB Touch(3) > Wyred mINT > Cullen Cables > ML Motion 12 *Carry Anywhere: *TIDAL >iPhone 6s > Bose Mini BT speaker. *Streaming Media:* https://www.facebook.com/groups/535747176592597/ DanSmedra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=62637 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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OK, back on track, if the Tidal app on LMS can be configured to allow MQA files to pass through "that would be fantastic". stop-spinning's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43254 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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DanSmedra wrote: > It remained on track until Julf hijacked the thread to give himself an > anti-MQA soapbox. It seems to have gone off track much sooner, when someone started to speculate about the potential market for a hypothetical, non-existing (and infeasible) product. "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Julf wrote: > How about taking this down to the audiophile section where it belongs? 'photonblur' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?62018-photonblur) began the thread with questions about Squeezebox Touch hardware, MQA feasibility, and the TIDAL software app. It remained on track until Julf hijacked the thread to give himself an anti-MQA soapbox. :( *Source*: TIDAL HiFi, Pandora One > MySqueezebox.com using iPeng 9.2.1 app on iPhone6s/iPad *Great Room*: SB Touch(1) > AudioQuest TOS > PSAudio DL3 DAC > Audio Envy 10' cables > 200w powered Martin Logan (ML) Purity speakers, SB Touch(2) >JVC 110w amp > ML Motion 4 & AudioEngine 5. *Garage:* SB Touch(3) > Wyred mINT > Cullen Cables > ML Motion 12 *Carry Anywhere: *TIDAL >iPhone 6s > Bose Mini BT speaker. *Streaming Media:* https://www.facebook.com/groups/535747176592597/ DanSmedra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=62637 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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DanSmedra wrote: > Not "anger," annoyance with the trolling. Julf isn't interested in > "discussing audio issues," he's an authority in his own mind, knows > EVERYTHING, and KNOWS with absolute certainty that MQA is gimmicky > technology, "quackery," "pixie dust," a "unicorn fart." You are clearly not familiar with the concept of rational debate. > His signature shows he has an 'ax to grind'. If my signature offends you, I guess it shows that you view any comment on the audiophile belief system and marketplace as a personal insult. > His goal is clearly to insult those who may have something favorable to > say about MQA. See above - the way you take any criticism of MQA as an insult is interesting. > Not. My question wasn't generalized "why [any] one would care," but > specifically "-Why would I even care?"- And why would we care if you care or not? :) > To date, MQA is solely relevant to the streaming world as it claims a > form of lossless compression of larger studio master files, and thus > better SQ for streaming. And thus it is a solution to a non-problem. We are able to stream high-quality movies, with much higher data rates than "hi-res" FLAC - there is no reason to need a more efficient compression method for a fringe audience. > Are subjective opinions of aesthetic value permitted in these forums or > not? They really belong down in the audiophile subsection, and should preferably be clearly flagged as personal subjective impressions. > Julf knew before he asked his "technical question" that ONLY a TIDAL > employee would have knowledge regarding whether similar or dissimilar > source files were used in creating MQA files. No, I really live in hope of finding recordings where the source of the "non-MQA" and MQA versions is the same . Perhaps the 2L samples are, perhaps not. But the absence of such test material is perhaps also telling. > In any normal discussion, there's no need to insult other's subjective > opinion. You seem to equate "questioning the underlying causes" with "insult". > Julf's agenda here is clearly not to "discuss audio issues," but rather > to disparage both what he considers "quackery" along with those persons > who don't share his opinion. Ah! Thanks for reminding me, I had completely forgotten what it was! Right... How about taking this down to the audiophile section where it belongs? "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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garym wrote: > I don't understand your anger in this response. Not "anger," annoyance with the trolling. Julf isn't interested in "discussing audio issues," he's an authority in his own mind, knows EVERYTHING, and KNOWS with absolute certainty that MQA is gimmicky technology, "quackery," "pixie dust," a "unicorn fart." His signature shows he has an 'ax to grind'. His goal is clearly to insult those who may have something favorable to say about MQA. garym wrote: > Julf is asking a technical question about comparisons, which is > relevant, and then following up with a very reasonable answer to your > question about why one would care. Not. My question wasn't generalized "why [any] one would care," but specifically "-Why would I even care?"- To date, MQA is solely relevant to the streaming world as it claims a form of lossless compression of larger studio master files. As a TIDAL HiFi subscriber, my post (#18) simply references what I _subjectively_ heard with a simple consumer A/B test and what I _personally_ consider better SQ. (Are subjective opinions of aesthetic value permitted in these forums or not?) Julf knew before he asked his "technical question" that ONLY a TIDAL employee would have knowledge regarding whether similar or dissimilar source files were used. His question was "bait" to serve his agenda of disparaging MQA. His response "Because you might want to know if the improvement you hear is because of superior technology, or just better/different source material" is NOT "very reasonable," but again serves HIS agenda. You and he might want to know, but *a**s a **steaming music** consumer, I don't have a dog in the fight about whether my experience of improved SQ is attributable to MQA technology, better source files, or both. * I fully understand why OTHERS (including the two of you) might want or need to identify the primary and tertiary causes for better sound quality, but I never claimed to have that information. I simply testified as to what I heard. Ok? In any normal discussion, there's no need to insult other's subjective opinion. garym wrote: > If I'm comparing what appears to be two identical cars except different > colors, and one very much outperforms the other, I'd really like to know > whether the engine and drivetrains are identical or different so I can > understand the performance drivers. (as opposed to simply saying, wow, > the blue car is better and that's all I need to know). It may be that > one simply buys the blue car and is happy (as they should be). But this > is a forum discussing audio issues and users typically are interested in > the "whys and hows" related to our audio. Fine. You agree with me. But you're obfuscating the events. Julf's agenda here is clearly not to "discuss audio issues," but rather to disparage both what he considers "quackery" along with those persons who don't share his opinion. It's the 800lb gorilla sitting in the middle of this thread. *Source*: TIDAL HiFi, Pandora One > MySqueezebox.com using iPeng 9.2.1 app on iPhone6s/iPad *Great Room*: SB Touch(1) > AudioQuest TOS > PSAudio DL3 DAC > Audio Envy 10' cables > 200w powered Martin Logan (ML) Purity speakers, SB Touch(2) >JVC 110w amp > ML Motion 4 & AudioEngine 5. *Garage:* SB Touch(3) > Wyred mINT > Cullen Cables > ML Motion 12 *Carry Anywhere: *TIDAL >iPhone 6s > Bose Mini BT speaker. *Streaming Media:* https://www.facebook.com/groups/535747176592597/ DanSmedra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=62637 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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DanSmedra wrote: > No...I DON'T CARE. Go pound sand! I don't understand your anger in this response. Julf is asking a technical question about comparisons, which is relevant, and then following up with a very reasonable answer to your question about why one would care. If I'm comparing what appears to be two identical cars except different colors, and one very much outperforms the other, I'd really like to know whether the engine and drivetrains are identical or different so I can understand the performance drivers. (as opposed to simply saying, wow, the blue car is better and that's all I need to know). It may be that one simply buys the blue car and is happy (as they should be). But this is a forum discussing audio issues and users typically are interested in the "whys and hows" related to our audio. *Home:* VortexBox 4TB (2.3) > LMS 7.9 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.3) > LMS 7.9 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win8(64) > LMS 7.9 > Squeezelite *Spares:* Transporter, Touch(3), Radio(3), Boom, SB3, CONTROLLER *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng & Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win8(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpoweramp > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Julf wrote: > Because you might want to know if the improvement you hear is because of > superior technology, or just better/different source material. No...I DON'T CARE. Go pound sand! *Source*: TIDAL HiFi, Pandora One > MySqueezebox.com using iPeng 9.2.1 app on iPhone6s/iPad *Great Room*: SB Touch(1) > AudioQuest TOS > PSAudio DL3 DAC > Audio Envy 10' cables > 200w powered Martin Logan (ML) Purity speakers, SB Touch(2) >JVC 110w amp > ML Motion 4 & AudioEngine 5. *Garage:* SB Touch(3) > Wyred mINT > Cullen Cables > ML Motion 12 *Carry Anywhere: *TIDAL >iPhone 6s > Bose Mini BT speaker. *Streaming Media:* https://www.facebook.com/groups/535747176592597/ DanSmedra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=62637 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Julf wrote: > Because you might want to know if the improvement you hear is because of > superior technology, or just better/different source material. > > > No...I DON'T CARE. Go pound sand! *Source*: TIDAL HiFi, Pandora One > MySqueezebox.com using iPeng 9.2.1 app on iPhone6s/iPad *Great Room*: SB Touch(1) > AudioQuest TOS > PSAudio DL3 DAC > Audio Envy 10' cables > 200w powered Martin Logan (ML) Purity speakers, SB Touch(2) >JVC 110w amp > ML Motion 4 & AudioEngine 5. *Garage:* SB Touch(3) > Wyred mINT > Cullen Cables > ML Motion 12 *Carry Anywhere: *TIDAL >iPhone 6s > Bose Mini BT speaker. *Streaming Media:* https://www.facebook.com/groups/535747176592597/ DanSmedra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=62637 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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I too am frustrated by the Tidal app on LMS not passing through MQA files - something (I don't know what) must be manipulating the music stream (MQA is sensitive to tampering). I'm running Daphile on a computer as my LMS, Squeezelite, iPeng overall solution and it's fantastic! Daphile is programmed to be as pure and bit perfect as possible so the Tidal app must be holding it back. Thinking about this as I type - will Tidal via ickStream bypass this restriction? I have recently invested in a Meridian Explorer 2 DAC as a low cost way to investigate MQA, and would much prefer the Daphile + iPeng solution as a method to remote control my music. Any ideas anyone? ickStream perhaps? stop-spinning's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43254 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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DanSmedra wrote: > Of course not. Why would I make that assumption? And why would I even > care? Because you might want to know if the improvement you hear is because of superior technology, or just better/different source material. > If TIDAL uses a higher-quality archived source to fill out its MQA > streaming library and it produces better fidelity/sound quality to MY > ears on my system, I don't give a rat's a$$ what's happening on the back > end. The reason you might care is because if the difference is due to better (or at least different) source material, you could have gotten the same result even without MQA. > But I can understand why not a few high-end audiophiles might be > emotionally vexed. Over decades, they drop tens of thousands of dollars, > or far more, into esoteric equipment, always tweaking, and an equal > amount of dollars into various hi-res format libraries in hopes of > having the biggest sound phallus with the goal to impress. > > But then along comes Bob Stuart with MQA, and with the tangible > possibility that great studio-quality music could be enjoyed by anyone > with a modest system...well yes, I'm sure that's scary. You make it sound like MQA is some pixie dust (unicorn fart?) that will bless even modest systems with magic properties. I see MQA as a solution to something that might have been an issue 5 years ago, but isn't any more. 'Archimago seems to agree with me.' (http://archimago.blogspot.com/2017/02/comparison-hardware-decoded-mqa-using.html) Anyway, I think this discussion belongs down in the "audiophile" section. "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Julf wrote: > Do you know that the MQA files were from the same master and EQ'd and > level adjusted the same as the on-MQA files? Of course not. Why would I make that assumption? And why would I even care? If TIDAL uses a higher-quality archived source to fill out its MQA streaming library and it produces better fidelity/sound quality to MY ears on my system, I don't give a rat's a$$ what's happening on the back end. But I can understand why not a few high-end audiophiles might be emotionally vexed. Over decades, they drop tens of thousands of dollars, or far more, into esoteric equipment, always tweaking, and an equal amount of dollars into various hi-res format libraries in hopes of having the biggest sound phallus with the goal to impress. But then along comes Bob Stuart with MQA, and with the tangible possibility that great studio-quality music could be enjoyed by anyone with a modest system...well yes, I'm sure that's scary. *Source*: TIDAL HiFi, Pandora One, other > MySqueezebox.com & LMS 7.9.0-ickStream plugin, using iPeng 9.0.3 app on iPhone6s/iPad *Great Room*: SB Touch(1) > AudioQuest Toslink > PSAudio DL3 DAC > Audio Envy interconnect 10' cables > 200w powered Martin Logan Purity speakers, SB Touch(2) >JVC 110w amp > Martin Logan Motion 4 & AudioEngine 5. *Garage:* SB Touch(3) > Wyred mINT > Cullen Cables > Martin Logan Motion 12 *Carry Anywhere: *TIDAL and Pandora >iPhone 6s > Bose Mini Bluetooth speaker. DanSmedra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=62637 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Do you know that the MQA files were from the same master and EQ'd and level adjusted the same as the non-MQA files? "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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With the launch of the modified TIDAL desktop app (Windows Mac), I bypassed my SBT and did a listening comparisonbetween native, non-MQA files (44.1kHz / 16 bit / 1411kbps - HiFi) and the newly-released HiFi/Master MQA files.The difference was easily heard. The sound quality of the MQA file is 'cleaner' with greater spatial texture. Without a MQA-certified DAC, the TIDAL app decodes/unfolds only 1X, of a possible 4X. However, these MQA files do benefit from the frontend deblurring audio technology as well.I do hope TIDAL will help modify our current MySqueezebox TIDAL app to match their desktop software. This would extend the life of this Logitech product just a bit farther and help prove the veracity of MQA. *Source*: TIDAL HiFi, Pandora One, other > MySqueezebox.com & LMS 7.9.0-ickStream plugin, using iPeng 9.0.3 app on iPhone6s/iPad *Great Room*: SB Touch(1) > AudioQuest Toslink > PSAudio DL3 DAC > Audio Envy interconnect 10' cables > 200w powered Martin Logan Purity speakers, SB Touch(2) >JVC 110w amp > Martin Logan Motion 4 & AudioEngine 5. *Garage:* SB Touch(3) > Wyred mINT > Cullen Cables > Martin Logan Motion 12 *Carry Anywhere: *TIDAL and Pandora >iPhone 6s > Bose Mini Bluetooth speaker. DanSmedra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=62637 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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LeeRankin wrote: > The touch as an end point does seem capable, it's the backend that is > preventing MQA goodness. I assume that is a licensing issue. "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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hidef wrote: > Support for higher sample rates (196/24, 382/24) and support for DSD > would be a valuable bonus. Neither really make sense in a network/stream product, considering it would be a huge waste of bandwidth. "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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DanSmedra wrote: > I could be wrong, but I see a huge potential market for an MQA-certified > Squeezebox Touch with a $299 price point. You are assuming two things- 1) that MQA licensing fees would be low enough to allow a $299 price point, and 2) that MQA certification would somehow significantly increase sales of the device. "To try to judge the real from the false will always be hard. In this fast-growing art of 'high fidelity' the quackery will bear a solid gilt edge that will fool many people" - Paul W Klipsch, 1953 Julf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42050 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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DanSmedra wrote: > I never really understood Logitech's business decision to cease > production of the Squeezebox line or not sell the rights and patents. > Logitech's employees are tight-lipped. Maybe audio engineers are too > high priced? :confused: > > I could be wrong, but I see a huge potential market for an MQA-certified > Squeezebox Touch with a $299 price point. It's only a matter of time > until some entrepreneur/venture capital group fills this space, imo. Considering that any decent Hi End streamer cost at least 800 $ and none of them is as capable of half the things the SBT can do with all its 3rd party apps, there is a huge market for a re-issue of SBT even without MQA. Support for higher sample rates (196/24, 382/24) and support for DSD would be a valuable bonus. hidef's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63410 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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DanSmedra wrote: > Is it correct to assume the TIDAL app for Squeezebox needs to be > modified to allow MQA files to flow through? Or is that already the > case? If so, then all that's necessary is an MQA-certified DAC with > either optical or coaxial digital input. I do know that Squeezebox > digital output bypasses the built-in DAC. > > > > The best SQT users, without a MQA-certified DAC, can hope to hear is a > 1/3 unfolded MQA file. Point 1 - yes agree, or USB via edo in the case of the 'current until end of January' £130 fully MQA enabled Meridian Explorer2. Point 2 - still 24/96 streamed content however, lets not forget this would have been have been nirvana 2 years ago. Lee LeeRankin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63958 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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DanSmedra wrote: > > > I could be wrong, but I see a huge potential market for an MQA-certified > Squeezebox Touch with a $299 price point. It's only a matter of time > until some entrepreneur/venture capital group fills this space, imo. The touch as an end point does seem capable, it's the backend that is preventing MQA goodness. It may be that Roon is the answer without any pointers from the development community here. Lee LeeRankin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63958 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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terjehaa wrote: > Interesting stuff Lee, thanks for sharing. > Have you tried Tidal via the Ickstream proxy or only the official > plug-in? > Really hope this will be adressed by the guru's of ths forum :) Not personally, however one of the other Meridian forum users did - direct comparison and with a MQA ready DAC - the explorer2 and Prime. No difference, MQA passed as it should would illuminate the respective display on both device and it doesn't. Swapping the same set up back to Roon - Touch enabled MQA as it should. As such not a player or network issue, seems to be pointing at LMS interface with Tidal. Were there any any bandwidth limitations or other restrictions imposed by the developers of the TIdal app architecture when MQA was not a factor that would need to be addressed? Lee LeeRankin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63958 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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photonblur wrote: > Any chance the resident geniuses will enable > MQA streaming from the Tidal touch app? I never really understood Logitech's business decision to cease production of the Squeezebox line or not sell the rights and patents. Logitech's employees are tight-lipped. Maybe audio engineers are too high priced? :confused: I could be wrong, but I see a huge potential market for an MQA-certified Squeezebox Touch with a $299 price point. It's only a matter of time some entrepreneur/venture capital group fills this space. *Source*: TIDAL HiFi, Pandora One, other > MySqueezebox.com & LMS 7.9.0-ickStream plugin, using iPeng 9.0.3 app on iPhone6s/iPad *Great Room*: SB Touch(1) > AudioQuest Toslink > PSAudio DL3 DAC > Audio Envy interconnect 10' cables > 200w powered Martin Logan Purity speakers, SB Touch(2) >JVC 110w amp > Martin Logan Motion 4 & AudioEngine 5. *Garage:* SB Touch(3) > Wyred mINT > Cullen Cables > Martin Logan Motion 12 *Carry Anywhere: *TIDAL and Pandora >iPhone 6s > Bose Mini Bluetooth speaker. DanSmedra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=62637 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Is it correct to assume the TIDAL app for Squeezebox needs to be modified to allow MQA files to flow through? Or is that already the case? If so, then all that's necessary is an MQA-capable DAC. *Source*: TIDAL HiFi, Pandora One, other > MySqueezebox.com & LMS 7.9.0-ickStream plugin, using iPeng 9.0.3 app on iPhone6s/iPad *Great Room*: SB Touch(1) > AudioQuest Toslink > PSAudio DL3 DAC > Audio Envy interconnect 10' cables > 200w powered Martin Logan Purity speakers, SB Touch(2) >JVC 110w amp > Martin Logan Motion 4 & AudioEngine 5. *Garage:* SB Touch(3) > Wyred mINT > Cullen Cables > Martin Logan Motion 12 *Carry Anywhere: *TIDAL and Pandora >iPhone 6s > Bose Mini Bluetooth speaker. DanSmedra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=62637 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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terjehaa wrote: > I also am curious about this... any hope? > So far Tidal has only enabled it in the Tidal desktop app for PC and > Mac, but I would like to play the MQA albums through my SB Touch :cool: I've been away for awhile from the Forum, but was aware that TIDAL is rolling out MQA. Let's go! *Source*: TIDAL HiFi, Pandora One, other > MySqueezebox.com & LMS 7.9.0-ickStream plugin, using iPeng 9.0.3 app on iPhone6s/iPad *Great Room*: SB Touch(1) > AudioQuest Toslink > PSAudio DL3 DAC > Audio Envy interconnect 10' cables > 200w powered Martin Logan Purity speakers, SB Touch(2) >JVC 110w amp > Martin Logan Motion 4 & AudioEngine 5. *Garage:* SB Touch(3) > Wyred mINT > Cullen Cables > Martin Logan Motion 12 *Carry Anywhere: *TIDAL and Pandora >iPhone 6s > Bose Mini Bluetooth speaker. DanSmedra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=62637 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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LeeRankin wrote: > Can i add my weight to this question. I run a squeezebox touch via a LMS > on a home network with Tidal plugin. > > Over on the Meridian forums there has been considerable debate around > accessing MQA titles both via the Tidal desktop application, and via > Roon and Sooloos platforms. To be clear, those platforms are not > performing any software decoding at this stage, but allowing the titles > to be accessed and played on appropriate hardware rather than using the > Tidal desktop route. This can be done easily by accessing the masters > page in the Tidal desktop app, selecting titles as favourites and > creating named playlists which are then accessed and played via the > relevant/prefered CUI. > > I can therefore access and play this MQA material via the Tidal App in > LMS via the player and web interface. If played via an appropriate MQA > enabled device - ie a Meridian Explorer 2 connected to the Touch via usb > (via edo) the material 'should' render in the unfolded 24/96 or higher > resolution given the squeezebox's bit perfect chain - it isn't. The > material is capping out at standard Tidal hifi quality 16/44.1. Others > have tested this via the Roon / Squeezebox route and the MQA material > plays as it should, when swapping back to LMS however the high > resolutions are lost. > > This suggest an issue with LMS or the Tidal app interface in passing on > 'currently' undecoded MQA files. Any thoughts ideas? > > Clearly an ability to access decoded files is also very desirable, as > per the questions earlier in this thread - ie software decoding in LMS > or passthrough of the Tidal software decoded streams but the question > above at least provides for MQA if there is some capable hardware in the > chain via the LMS architecture. > > here's hoping Interesting stuff Lee, have you tried Tidal via the Ickstream proxy or only the official plug-in? Really hope this will be adressed by the guru's of ths forum :) terjehaa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17451 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] MQA via Tidal.........
Can i add my weight to this question. I run a squeezebox touch via a LMS on a home network with Tidal plugin. Over on the Meridian forums there has been considerable debate around accessing MQA titles both via the Tidal desktop application, and via Roon and Sooloos platforms. To be clear, those platforms are not performing any software decoding at this stage, but allowing the titles to be accessed and played on appropriate hardware rather than using the Tidal desktop route. This can be done easily by accessing the masters page in the Tidal desktop app, selecting titles as favourites and creating named playlists which are then accessed and played via the relevant/prefered CUI. I can therefore access and play this MQA material via the Tidal App in LMS via the player and web interface. If played via an appropriate MQA enabled device - ie a Meridian Explorer 2 connected to the Touch via usb (via edo) the material 'should' render in the unfolded 24/96 or higher resolution given the squeezebox's bit perfect chain - it isn't. The material is capping out at standard Tidal hifi quality 16/44.1. Others have tested this via the Roon / Squeezebox route and the MQA material plays as it should, when swapping back to LMS however the high resolutions are lost. This suggest an issue with LMS or the Tidal app interface in passing on 'currently' undecoded MQA files. Any thoughts ideas? Clearly an ability to access decoded files is also very desirable, as per the questions earlier in this thread - ie software decoding in LMS or passthrough of the Tidal software decoded streams but the question above at least provides for MQA if there is some capable hardware in the chain via the LMS architecture. here's hoping LeeRankin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=63958 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] MQA via Tidal.........
terjehaa wrote: > I also am curious about this... any hope? > So far Tidal has only enabled it in the Tidal desktop app for PC and > Mac, but I would like to play the MQA albums through my SB Touch :cool: It's about to be enabled in the ROON music server too according to posts at the Roon forum. *Home:* VortexBox 4TB (2.3) > LMS 7.8 > Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.3) > LMS 7.8 > Touch > Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) *Office:* Win8(64) > LMS 7.9 > Squeezelite *Spares:* Transporter, Touch(3), Radio(3), Boom, SB3, CONTROLLER *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng & Squeezepad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win8(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpoweramp > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] MQA via Tidal.........
I also am curious about this... any hope? So far Tidal has only enabled it in the Tidal desktop app for PC and Mac, but I would like to play the MQA albums through my SB Touch :cool: terjehaa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17451 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106754 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
