[Trisquel-users] Let's make FLOSS out of Winamp! Petition to AOL.
http://savewinamp.com/ Please, sign the petition.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Let's make FLOSS out of Winamp! Petition to AOL.
>Please excuse my ignorance but what is the benefit of making such an old piece of software FLOSS ? 1. Historical interest. 2. Education. I think, a lot of young programmers want to know how famous software works under hood. >Also I have my problems when I either need a twitter or Facebook account to sign something You need ONLY address of e-mail.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Let's make FLOSS out of Winamp! Petition to AOL.
>making it "open source" is just mentioned as one possible "solution" to the "problem" of Winamp being dead (and not even the preferred "solution", at that). Yes. But , I don't think AOL is going to support Winamp anymore, because this is unprofitable. >Those with interest in Mediaplayers can simply study the VLC sources. There is huge difference between SOME mediaplayer and a famous one. Somebody can think "Winamp(or other famous software) is just fantastic! I would like to know how it works! I don't care about VLC/mplayer/etc, I want to see code of Winamp only!! " >Just use VLC. No, thanks. I didn't like Winamp even in my Windowshood.
[Trisquel-users] New argument against closed-source software.
My inspiration: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22380603 Closed-source software can mine cryptocurrency at your expense! Unlike trojans, this is not crime. This is just form of parasitism. Battery will run out faster. CPU and GPU will heat more. Your bills for electricity will be increasing. You will have to upgrade your PC more frequently. Etc.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Where can I download free wallpaper ?
Also, you can generate beautiful images with help of Evolvotron. http://www.bottlenose.demon.co.uk/share/evolvotron/
Re: [Trisquel-users] Let's make FLOSS out of Winamp! Petition to AOL.
>Are you writing that VLC is not famous?! No, I'm not. But Winamp is symbol of his epoch. This is like the Prince of Persia or Windows 95.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Thunderbird in repos
Trademark restriction are acceptable in free systems. http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html#trademarks
Re: [Trisquel-users] Let's make FLOSS out of Winamp! Petition to AOL.
https://trisquel.info/en/forum/lets-make-floss-out-winamp-petition-aol#comment-45914
Re: [Trisquel-users] Let's make FLOSS out of Winamp! Petition to AOL.
>Making it "open source" is talked about as a secondary, "solution" to the "problem" in the event that AOL is unwilling to continue maintaining it as a proprietary program. Yes. But I doubt AOL is going to support Winamp as a proprietary program anymore, because this is unprofitable. So, in fact there is the only option: Open Source
Re: [Trisquel-users] Let's make FLOSS out of Winamp! Petition to AOL.
>WinAmp just needs to die. Maybe. But how about history? Don't we need Winamp's source code just for history?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Let's make FLOSS out of Winamp! Petition to AOL.
>but the petition makes it clear that freedom is not the motive Yes. It is not an end in itself. It is means. Is this variant much worse? >so I think signing it is a bad idea. Why?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Let's make FLOSS out of Winamp! Petition to AOL.
https://trisquel.info/en/forum/lets-make-floss-out-winamp-petition-aol#comment-45916
Re: [Trisquel-users] Let's make FLOSS out of Winamp! Petition to AOL.
>This. Petition. Does. Not. Ask. For. Freedom. "Our goal is to convince Nullsoft to release the Winamp source code and we will take it further | in an open-source way." Hmm.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Let's make FLOSS out of Winamp! Petition to AOL.
>Where do you read that? http://imm.io/1l8fL
Re: [Trisquel-users] Let's make FLOSS out of Winamp! Petition to AOL.
>That is not the petition page. Yes, I know, And this is really confusing.
[Trisquel-users] Is GNU AGPLv3+ the strongest copyleft license ?
I think GNU AGPLv3+ is the strongest copyleft license. quote:"The GNU Affero General Public License is a modified version of the ordinary GNU GPL version 3. It has one added requirement: if you run the program on a server and let other users communicate with it there, your server must also allow them to download the source code corresponding to the program that it's running. If what's running there is your modified version of the program, the server's users must get the source code as you modified it." So, if you are developer who likes Free Software, you better use GNU AGPLv3+ instead of GNU GPLv3+
Re: [Trisquel-users] New argument against closed-source software.
> Someone on a dev team putting in malicious code is nothing new. No, this is a new trick. Because mining at your expense *isn't crime*. This is the purest form of parasitism. And you can make money without users' awareness. Of course, you could earn money without user's awareness long years before bitcoin. But now, THIS IS LEGAL WAY! I predict epidemy because of Bitcoin rush.
Re: [Trisquel-users] New argument against closed-source software.
"And it's not like this couldn't happen in a poorly managed free software project either." I agree. This is not about certainty but probability.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Your Android Phone Is Secretly Recording Everything You Do
So what? I will buy Android. Because it is the best available choice for me.
[Trisquel-users] Open Hardware and commodity price.
Source: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/StrategyLetterV.html (danger, very long article) Every product in the marketplace has substitutes and complements. ... A complement is a product that you usually buy together with another product. Computer hardware is a classic complement of computer operating systems. ... In a small town, when the local five star restaurant has a two-for-one Valentine's day special, the local babysitters double their rates. All else being equal, demand for a product increases when the prices of its complements decrease. Let me repeat that because you might have dozed off, and it's important. Demand for a product increases when the prices of its complements decrease. For example, if flights to Miami become cheaper, demand for hotel rooms in Miami goes up -- because more people are flying to Miami and need a room. When computers become cheaper, more people buy them, and they all need operating systems, so demand for operating systems goes up, which means the price of operating systems can go up. At this point, it's pretty common for people to try to confuse things by saying, "aha! But Linux is FREE!" OK. First of all, when an economist considers price, they consider the total price, including some intangible things like the time it takes to set up, reeducate everyone, and convert existing processes. All the things that we like to call "total cost of ownership." ... Open source is not exempt from the laws of gravity or economics. We saw this with Eazel, ArsDigita, The Company Formerly Known as VA Linux and a lot of other attempts. But something is still going on which very few people in the open source world really understand: a lot of very large public companies, with responsibilities to maximize shareholder value, are investing a lot of money in supporting open source software, usually by paying large teams of programmers to work on it. And that's what the principle of complements explains. Once again: demand for a product increases when the price of its complements decreases. In general, a company's strategic interest is going to be to get the price of their complements as low as possible. The lowest theoretically sustainable price would be the "commodity price" -- the price that arises when you have a bunch of competitors offering indistinguishable goods. ... If you can do this, demand for your product will increase and you will be able to charge more and make more. ... Headline: Transmeta Hires Linus, Pays Him To Hack on Linux. Myth: They just did it to get publicity. Would you have heard of Transmeta otherwise? Reality: Transmeta is a CPU company. The natural complement of a CPU is an operating system. Transmeta wants OSs to be a commodity. I just wonder, what is the best source of support for the Open Hardware movement from this point of view? Maybe a proprietary software company alike Microsoft?
[Trisquel-users] How to fight against software patents at your own (Hyperlink).
http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2013/07/22.html I just leave it here
[Trisquel-users] Proprietary software as result of psychological problems
My fresh view: Case number #1. My code is awful! If I will make it as FLOSS then I will be ridiculed for sure! For example: "Hey dude, I have only one question. How this CRAP can work AT ALL?! It is THE WORST code I have ever seen! Bastard, your code will haunt me in my NIGHTMARES!!!" Case number #2. My pretty! I'm the only one, who KNOW how develop this program in right way! And I'm the only one, who can DO it in right way! This list is incomplete. You can add in more cases.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Proprietary software as result of psychological problems
This is case number #2, IMHO.
[Trisquel-users] Is ethic really good argument for FLOSS?
Why non-FLOSS is unethical? There is a lot of ethic systems. For example ,a meat is unethical for me. I'm an atheist and atheism is unethical for somebody else. Etc. And I can't see any method to convince followers of one ethical system to adopt another ethical system. For example, convince a radical muslim to accept atheism as ethical thing. Thus, ethic is (mostly) area of emotions and dogmas. If you saying "You must not [use a proprietary software]/[eat meat]/[beat your wife], because this is unethical", then it is equivalent of "You must not eat apples, because apples are unappetizing", IMHO.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Forum moderation
+1 Couldn't say it better myself.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Proprietary software as result of psychological problems
I'm sorry, but this is not a psychological problem. =)
Re: [Trisquel-users] Proprietary software as result of psychological problems
By the way, I think you need read this article. http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/StrategyLetterV.html
Re: [Trisquel-users] Is ethic really good argument for FLOSS?
>Religion is not ethics and ethics are not religion. How could I confuse them? I'm an atheist. I don't have a religion, but I have my personal ethics.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Proprietary software as result of psychological problems
The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fifth Edition, abbreviated as DSM-5, is the 2013 update to the American Psychiatric Association's (APA) classification and diagnostic tool. In the United States the DSM serves as a universal authority for psychiatric diagnosis. Treatment recommendations, as well as payment by health care providers, are often determined by DSM classifications, so the appearance of a new version has significant practical importance.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Forum moderation
>There is no reason that we should allow people to use our forums to actively work against our goals. I see ONLY one way to "work against our goals" via forum: akirashinigami: FLOSS is the best! Non-FLOSS_Agitator: FLOSS sucks, because volunteers are incompetent to make any good software. akirashinigami: You convinced me. FLOSS is crap.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Is ethic really good argument for FLOSS?
Very interesting. Please, give me subtitles.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Forum moderation
>5.Non-free software is never a solution so please do not rationalize, justify, or minimize the consequences of proposing non-free software as a solution. VERITAS SE IPSA DEFENDIT (Truth defends itself)
[Trisquel-users] I bought a Replicant/Cyanogenmod-incompatible Android phone.
Samsung Galaxy Star Duos GT-S5282 1.I failed to find the device in compatibility lists. I found "Samsung Galaxy S", maybe this is shortening for "Star"? 2.How can I help to create Replicant/Cyanogenmod version for my model? P.S. I'm not going to return the phone in shop. That was the cheapest Android phone and I have big debts.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Is ethic really good argument for FLOSS?
>Ethics are not the only argument for FLOSS. You're right. But the ethical argument is the most absurd for me.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Is ethic really good argument for FLOSS?
>Because proprietary software stops a user from having control over their computer. How about this case: "There is not such thing as freedom. All humans are slaves of the God."
Re: [Trisquel-users] Is ethic really good argument for FLOSS?
>Ethics is the whole point of Free Software. Also, there is political argument for FLOSS
Re: [Trisquel-users] I bought a Replicant/Cyanogenmod-incompatible Android phone.
Sorry, but "porting guide" have broken hyperlink. >The good news is, this device actually looks it would be a good target for Replicant if there were CyanogenMod support. Why do you think so?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Is ethic really good argument for FLOSS?
>"Freedom" is not necessarily the ability to do anything You're misunderstood me. You can't behave freely AT ALL. You're a marionette in hands of the God/laws of Physics(atheistic variant of fatalism). Freedom is an illusion.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Is ethic really good argument for FLOSS?
I can be wrong, but I heard that quakers(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quakers) are fatalists.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Forum moderation
How about personal filters for users? If somebody feel buthurt, then somebody else criticize RMS/FLOSS/Mother_Teresa, in that case her/she needs to add the person in personal "ignore list". IMHO, this is excellent alternative for forum moderation.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Has development on Trisquel 7 started?
Hmm, but Ruben is Armenian name. Is he an Armenian?
[Trisquel-users] My conceptual problem with my computer.
I don't have sense of control over my computer. You can say "You must use only FLOSS, only freedom-friendly hardware, etc. Then you can control your computer. " But alas, it is an overstatement. Because if I encounter a problem, then often I forced to google solution and blindly use instructions. Without proper understanding, like magic. Thus, sometimes I feel nostalgic about times then my needs and my understanding were in perfect harmony. My criterias of control: 1.I must understand how it works "under hood". My understanding must vary from very abstract concepts to detail comprehension of every "cogwheel", according to my needs. 2.If I encounter a problem, then I should be able to solve it on my own, without help of other people. In ideal, even without Internet. 3.I must have proper understanding of the solution. 4.I must figure out reasons of the problem. 5.I should be able to optimize computer according my needs. That should I do? Let's do brainstorm. 1.Development of my problem solving skills. Concept maps, inductive logic, mathematics, power search in the Internet, etc. 2.Maybe I need KISS-friendly Linux. You know, like Slackware, Crux. By the way, if "computations control" can be considered as related to ethics, then in my book proprietary MS-DOS much more ethical than opensource Trisquel. Because knowledge is power. If you have complicated open source system, then it is like "Hey dude, there is a gift for you. This is a cool spaceship, I hope you will like it very much. What? You don't know how use it? What a pity! " 3.Hmm, maybe some of LPIC-1 tutorials can help me.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Proprietary software as result of psychological problems
>Trying to justify it (family starving) means trying to justify non-free, proprietary software Excuse me, but did you ever heard of so-called "situational ethics"? There aren't absolute unethical actions. Because ethics depend on context. For example, I consider meat is unethical in my current situation. But if I would need meat for my survival, then I will eat it. Even if it will be a human meat. >The risk of quitting her job of developing proprietary software might be small or big, but again nobody forced her to take the unethical job. And nobody can force anybody to take so-called "ethical job". That is her/his personal decision. And it is why pure ethics fail. Because ethics are subjective. I wish I could forbid you to eat meat, but I can't. Beside, meat is ethical in YOUR opinioun. I have only one choice. I must convince you that giving up meat will fit your egotistical interests. For example, "You know, in average vegetarians have longer lifespan than meat-eaters, blah-blah-blah". That is also true for FSF-lovers movement. If you want to change the world, then you must swallow your pride and try to convince developers of proprietary software that FLOSS more profitable for them.
Re: [Trisquel-users] My conceptual problem with my computer.
>Who is making you use google/NSA? I use google because of relevant results. Maybe this is my fault, because my search skill not-so-good, but facts are facts. For example, yesterday I was searching "activ тариф джуни". Duckduckgo showed me only irrelevant trash. >Who is making you not try to understand the instructions? >who is making you not try to understand the instructions? I often try to properly understand problem/reasons of problems/solution, but alas, my knoweldge and education are not as good as I want. For example, I have no idea how force my OS to see Android phone as media storage. Maybe I could figure out the solution if I know how udev works. But, udev isn't thing in itself. Udev is only ONE subsustym(and it have alternatives!) in Linux system. And Linux system isn't thing-in-itself too. It have links with hardware, with other computers via Internet, etc. Thus, hypothetical book "Complete Udev Guideline for dummies" would have some bits of information about Internet, technical standarts, history of computers, so on. But there are two BIG problems. 1. Alas, I don't have this wonderful book. Thus, I must find all related material on my own, collect the crumbs to solve the jigsaw puzzle. 2. I have no idea how long my adventure will continue. One month? One year? Or maybe the whole life?
Re: [Trisquel-users] My conceptual problem with my computer.
>With a proprietary system you cannot find out. Code is not available, can be obfuscated and you might be breaking the law if you try to find out how something works. With Trisquel you're welcome to browse the code, with an occasional comment or two and won't run into any legal issues. I can find information about proprietary system with help of (un)official documentation and reverse engineering. For example, MS-DOS is very small and simple system, so experienced programmer could analyze it easily and completely. On other hand, nobody has enough of lifespan to do complete analyze of Trisquel source codes on his/her own. Figuratively, decryption of one encrypted book needs less efforts than reading of whole library of normal books.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Proprietary software as result of psychological problems
>There are a lot of examples of absolute unethical actions. Human slavery is one of them Did you mean "absolute unethical action ONLY in my book"? >I don't care what you do in your personal life, nor should you about what I do in mine. That's depends who are you and who is me. Because your behavior in your private life may somehow affect me/my family/my country. >This will not justify cannibalism, which is an unethical practice by all standards. I can understand your position, but cannibalism doesn't necessarily require murder. If the person already dead and it is not my fault, then my conscience will be absolute clear. On other hand, if somebody have to kill an other human, because s/he hasn't got better options, then this behaviour can be considered as ethical from my viewpoint. Thus, you was wrong about "all standards". >No individual can, but a law can. Ruling class use laws to dictate it's will. Nowadays epoch of capitalism, thus the ruling class is capitalists. Proprietary software is very profitable business. Thus, it might be banned only in case of serious crisis caused by proprietary software industry. >I raise a sheep and sacrifice it and eat it. It doesn't affect you. It hurts my feelings. >I write a piece of software for myself and I use it all my life without releasing it. It doesn't affect you. I may need that piece of software, thus your "greedy" can affect me. >I am unethical and you can clearly see that, because I don't allow you to install it on multiple machines and to modify it to better serve your needs. My personal decision is affecting you, me being an unethical software developer hurts you as a my software user. It is how capitalism works. Everybody must thinks only about own profit. Thus, in your terms capitalism is "anti-social". >Practical reasons (even if they are true) are not enough for a human being to not do something On other hand, more rational businessmen have huge advantage. Therefore, if you would convince them to use FLOSS only, then it will be the greatest success of FLOSS. > You are using this forum to attack the reason while Trisquel is developed, to challenge the free software philosophy and to turn our users' interest away from the free software movement to the "open source" camp. Why do you treat "open source" movement like foes? It reminds me of distinction in vegetarian camp. "Meat is unhealthy!" VS "Meat is unethical!". Let's pretend that you think "Meat is unethical and healthy" and I think "Meat is ethical and unhealthy". We have opposite opinions about meat, but the result is same! It is like 2+5=6+1=7. We have different input and equal output. Hence, we should help each other. The same goes for "open source" movement. >That might not be true and not even generally true, and you have no way of proving such a statement. I'm sorry, but I can't understand your logic! > they distribute proprietary software along with free software. It is because pure FLOSS doesn't profitable enough, that is all.
Re: [Trisquel-users] My conceptual problem with my computer.
>I don't think it's possible to understand a system to this extent. Why?
Re: [Trisquel-users] My conceptual problem with my computer.
>This is bait Really? You know, I don't eat meat(because it is unethical for me), but I think that meat is healthy and tasty. If I posted this opinion on vegetarian forum, then by your logic I'm a troll.
Re: [Trisquel-users] My conceptual problem with my computer.
How about Ruben? Is he exception?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Intel processor microcode security update for Trisquel
>Without Freedom 1 we can even assertain whether this patch is even an actual security fix. We can test so-called "security fix". If the exploit doesn't work after installation of it, then it is really "security fix". Of course, it can contain new backdoors and new security vulnerability. But then it is definitely a security fix. >Even though it wasn't explicitally stated in this thread, it's ridiculous to suggest that this project should distribute non-free software. Yes, my computer may be running this non-free firmware already, but it wasn't installed or distributed by anyone in the Trisquel project and furthermore I trust the maintainers to continue to reject non-free software. But how about warning about the security vulnerability? Only warning, without distribution of the patch. Like this: "Warning, there is a security vulnerability in proprietary microcode of Intel's CPUs." > when other solutions exist Really? I request the list.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Is ethic really good argument for FLOSS?
>Using proprietary software violates MY code of ethics By the way, are you a believer or an atheist?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Intel processor microcode security update for Trisquel
Sorry?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Is ethic really good argument for FLOSS?
Are your ethics based on pure logical reasoning?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Is ethic really good argument for FLOSS?
And how can you explain your position about Free Software Movement?
Re: [Trisquel-users] My conceptual problem with my computer.
>Not an excuse, use StartPage.com instead. :D I don't see any sense to use StartPage. I don't care about NSA and so on. I like DuckDuckGo because of absence of filter bubble. Sometimes it helps me. But I have DuckDuckFallback extension. The extension added "Search in Google" button in DuckDuckGo interface.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Intel processor microcode security update for Trisquel
I have more important question. Where is exploit?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Is ethic really good argument for FLOSS?
>However, I've not seen the free software movement making this kind of call to authority. Because ethics of FSF based on the ethical dogmat: "freedom is the highest value" Unfortunately, no-one can prove this statement. It's like a religion, you must belive in this dogmat. >Your argumentitivness seems more to stem from problems you have with religion What problems?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Is ethic really good argument for FLOSS?
Sorry for waiting, I didn't have the Internet these day. Is it because you think ... 1."You cann't trust anyone"? 2. "Giving is better than receiving"? 3. "Freedom is the highest value"? 4. "FLOSS fits my selfish interests"? 5. "Progress is important. And FLOSS is more progressive than proprietary software"?
Re: [Trisquel-users] My conceptual problem with my computer.
>Nobody can understand the whole system in details Sure thing. But you are missing the point. I don't want to be Mr. I-know-all ! I just want to figure out stuff I NEED to know. No more, no less. This is the most challenging part. For exampe, is it important to know how TCP/IP works?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Is ethic really good argument for FLOSS?
>Every movement has ethics and principles, and it promotes them. Of course. But nobody can promote illogical principles by means of logics. You must appeal to emotions. Maybe I missing something, but I can't see this approach in FSF advocacy. It's like to use a spoon instead of a hammer. It's ineffective. >Every animal strives for freedom REALLY?? O_O How about the whole story of domestication of dogs? If every animal strives for freedom, then domestication is impossible. And by the way, how about ants? >If you believe otherwise .. I believe otherwise and I don't want to do it. Why? Because I can't see any benefits in these specific situations. Your argument looks like "If you don't belive "computers are the higest value in my life" then throw away your computer right now!". > free software movement is illogical just like a religion You got it wrong. Every movement have motivation. But every motivation needs under-logical basis. For example, there isn't any way to prove need to stay alive by means of pure logic. But, if you want to change mind of a person, you must use the same basic illogical beliefs. Example: Person A: "You should care about ecology, otherwise your children would live in terrible world of devastation" Person B: "Hurhurhur! I'm a childfree (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Childfree), go away!"
Re: [Trisquel-users] Is ethic really good argument for FLOSS?
>Every movement has ethics and principles, and it promotes them. Of course. But nobody can promote illogical principles by means of logics. You must appeal to emotions. Maybe I missing something, but I can't see this approach in FSF advocacy. It's like to use a spoon instead of a hammer. It's ineffective. >Every animal strives for freedom REALLY?? O_O How about the whole story of domestication of dogs? If every animal strives for freedom, then domestication is impossible. And by the way, how about ants? >If you believe otherwise .. I believe otherwise and I don't want to do it. Why? Because I can't see any benefits in these specific situations. Your argument looks like "If you don't belive "computers are the higest value in my life" then throw away your computer right now!". > free software movement is illogical just like a religion You got it wrong. Every movement have motivation. But every motivation needs under-logical basis. For example, there isn't any way to prove need to stay alive by means of pure logic. But, if you want to change mind of a person, you must use the same basic illogical beliefs. Example: Person A: "You should care about ecology, otherwise your children would live in terrible world of devastation" Person B: "Hurhurhur! I'm a childfree (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Childfree), go away!"
Re: [Trisquel-users] Making the switch from Ubuntu
>What else am missing?? 1.It's problematic to change default search engine (DuckDuckGo). 2.It's almost impossible to uninstall DuckDuckGo package. 3.Forget about getting help with proprietary software from the community. 4.Documentation(manuals,FAQ, etc) was edited to get rid of any mention of any proprietary software.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Making the switch from Ubuntu
1.When I installed Trisquel, I couldn't figure out how to change default search engine without lost of Trisquel's customizations. 2. It is xul-ext-ubufox. Because this package sets DuckDuckGo as default search engine.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Making the switch from Ubuntu
Yes, I know. But, there is a problem. After restart these settings will be overridden by default.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Is ethic really good argument for FLOSS?
>their campaigning seems effective to me. I don't want shatter your sweet dreams, but can you tell me percentage of computer users who use Trisquel? > Put one in a leash and then unleash him. >You will see the difference in his attitude. You dodged the answer. Maybe I need to repeat my question. If every animal want to be free, then how is it possible to domesticate them? >Don't confuse these with slavery. Slavery is a subset of hierarchy. I can prove it. Let's pretend that slavery isn't a subset of hierarchy. Anarchistic society haven't got any hierarchy. Thus, citizens of anarchistic country can have slaves. But, it's absurd. Thus, because we have only two mutually exclusive options "Slavery is a subset of hierarchy" and "Slavery isn't a subset of hierarchy", then the option "Slavery is a subset of hierarchy" is true. >You can find benefits in each of the three described situations Maybe I wasn't clear. Surely, it's possible to find out positive sides in every situation. But every situation is sum of minuses and pluses. Thus, if I said "I can't see benefits", then you must translate it as "the sum is a negative number or zero". >Freedom is above all How about "free corpse or alive slave" choice? You know, like "300 spartans". >It's because they are reckless and act before they think Then why Bill Gates don't use Trisquel? I don't think he is a reckless idiot.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Is ethic really good argument for FLOSS?
>Freedom does not have to be "the highest value" for a user to only accept free software. Are you sure? Because if freedom isn't the highest value, then user can start to use proprietary software because of more important things. Example: Joe has the highest value and it is his nerves. He hates Abrowser, because new versions of Abrowser so slooow. Thus, he started to use semi-proprietary Chromium instead.
Re: [Trisquel-users] My conceptual problem with my computer.
> How are *we* supposed to know what are *your* "needs" to "have sense of control over [your] computer"? You can't. But maybe you can help me to figure out that I need to know if I tell you my needs. Let's begin with minimum minimorum. If I have the Internet then I can solve the most of my problems somehow. But there's paradox "Chicken or the egg"(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken_or_the_egg), because sometimes I can't have the Internet by reason of technical problem. Technical support of my internet-provider is bunch of idiots and slackers. And my internet-provider is a monopolist, I can't just choose another internet-provider. I couldn't use the Internet almost 15 days !!! That I need to know to be "technical support" for myself in this particular field?
Re: [Trisquel-users] My conceptual problem with my computer.
Thank you, but is it useless without knowledge of TCP/IP and so on?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Is ethic really good argument for FLOSS?
>The fact that there are so many developers who do one of the three things I mentioned ... >most of software is proprietary Congratulations! Now you finally understand why propaganda of FSF is ineffective. >By tricking them, giving them immediate benefits and then enslaving them. So-called "tricking" isn't only part of domestication. Other part is selection. Obedient animals have better survival rate than too freedom-loving (i.e. wild) animals. The same goes for beehives, wolf packs, flocks of sheep and colonies of phytoplankton. And of course, humans aren't exception. It's why Stanford prison experiment and Milgram experiment were successful. Humans are domestic animals. We domesticated by ourselves. For thousand years human societies had strict hierarchy. Thereafter, era of capitalism began and hierarchy became more flexible. But no-one can just throw away thousand years. It's why Third Reich and the USSR were created. And maybe it's why I have orgasm-like feeling when I imagine myself as small cogwheel in cruel and heartless the military machine of Third Reich(or USSR sometimes). Example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gtht2QeeZYo >Slavery is a subset of hierarchy, that doesn't make hierarchy a bad thing. I'm not an anarchist or even a democrat, so hierarchy is OK for me. I just wanted to point out your strange definition of hierarchy. Slavery is the most extreme case of hierarchy. Slavery reduces so-called "freedom" of a slave very much. Other hierarchies also reduce freedom of individual. Of course, sometimes you can leave your hierarchy. But if you need/want to stay, then you must sacrifice your freedom. For example, if you want to use a forum/chat, then you must follow the rules of one. Otherwise, you will be banned. >no single big hierarchical tree with a central root (leadership), but that doesn't mean there are not a lot of smaller hierarchical trees instead. My logic is flawless, I just have other definition of anarchy. If so-called "anarchistic society" has any hierarchical trees, then it's not anarchy in my opinion. If there isn't any hierarchical trees, then any form of exploitation of man by man (e.g. slavery) is impossible. >you aren't make a good long-term decision when you value benefits over freedom So-called "freedom" isn't thing-in-itself. Nobody can fight for pure abstract freedom. In fact, people fight for their needs and desires. Freedom is a important instrument, but it isn't end in itself. Freedom is like money. If you don't spend/sacrifice it from time to time, then it's worthless trash. For example, Joe is a slave. The Master told him: "Joe, you must learn classical music!". And Joe wants the same thing! He hasn't freedom of choice, but is OK, because Joe's desire and master's desire coincide. He is a slave, but he is happy. Other example: Noah is a inveterate bachelor. He wants to have a sweetheart, but he doesn't want to sacrifice his freedom. Thus, he doomed to suffer from loneliness for rest of his life >He is a perverse person who wants freedom just for himself Okay, maybe Bill is bad example. But how about other money bags? If freedom is so important, then why it's not always good for business plan of company? If you're right, then freedom-loving companies must have huge competitive advantage. Of course, it can be selfish love, like "I want freedom only for myself, but not for others". And by the way, you dodged "slavery or death!" question. What would you prefer and why? >freedom is the highest value User "Magic Banana" thinks "Freedom does not have to be "the highest value" for a user to only accept free software."(Prooflink: https://trisquel.info/en/forum/ethic-really-good-argument-floss?page=1#comment-48028). How can you comment on that?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Is ethic really good argument for FLOSS?
>I will respond just to these two because they are essential in this >debate and I am tired of arguing with you But you MUST! For the sake of Justice and Freedom! You're chosen one, last hope of FSF, because only you able to stop malicious alliance of roboq6, quantumgravity and gnuser!
Re: [Trisquel-users] My conceptual problem with my computer.
>You do not need to precisely understand TCP/IP to administrate a network. The same goes for configuration of router, isn't it?
[Trisquel-users] Is "SRWare Iron" free browser?
It is fork of Chromium targeting better privacy. Original Chromium have some parts under unclear licenses. But maybe SRWare Iron fixed the problem?
Re: [Trisquel-users] Is "SRWare Iron" free browser?
Never belive Wikipedia. http://www.srware.net/en/software_srware_iron_download.php
Re: [Trisquel-users] Is "SRWare Iron" free browser?
"it's uploaded to Rapidshare with downloading by most people disabled." Lets make request to developers. "Hi, I want to download source code of SRWare Iron. And please, enable downloading from Rapidshare for everyone". Maybe developers just think, that very small amount of people will be want to download source code.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Is "SRWare Iron" free browser?
Hmm. Very strange situation. Developers just ignore all questions about getting source code. http://www.srware.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=2134
[Trisquel-users] How enable mp3 support in html5 for Abrowser?
For example, Uzbl have mp3 support in html5. But I prefer Abrowser.
Re: [Trisquel-users] How enable mp3 support in html5 for Abrowser?
1.Then why Uzbl support mp3? 2.Is patent on mp3 decoding not expired yet?
Re: [Trisquel-users] How enable mp3 support in html5 for Abrowser?
"Other browsers use external multimedia frameworks such as GStreamer." And Abrowser too. My Abrowser compiled with --enable-gstreamer option.
Re: [Trisquel-users] How enable mp3 support in html5 for Abrowser?
I think we confuse two different problem. http://fredrik.hubbe.net/plugger/test.html MP3 playing just fine, but is not what I want. I need mp3 support in HTML5. And html5test.com not see any mp3 support.
Re: [Trisquel-users] How enable mp3 support in html5 for Abrowser?
Oh, really? I tried nighly builds, Aurora, Firefox Beta. But mp3 not work in HTML5.
Re: [Trisquel-users] How enable mp3 support in html5 for Abrowser?
"Patent encumbered formats are bad for the WWW" I don`t care. In my country no such thing as "software patent". And I think really reason is greediness of Mozilla. How commercial company, Mozilla think about money.
Re: [Trisquel-users] How enable mp3 support in html5 for Abrowser?
Yes. But on other hand, Mozilla should not pay for using mp3-related patents. That is a saving of money.
Re: [Trisquel-users] How enable mp3 support in html5 for Abrowser?
"In the parts of the world that do have software patents, using patented formats is a serious problem". I know about it. "Not caring about software patents because you`re lucky enough to live in a country that doesn`t have them is kind of selfish". Уes, it is egoism. But it is rational egoism. Rational egoism is vital part of my life philosophy. I just don`t see any benefits to worry about it.
Re: [Trisquel-users] How enable mp3 support in html5 for Abrowser?
"It`s almost sure that you expect other people not to have your own "rational egoism"" You are wrong. If all people behave like me, then the world would be better place, IMHO. "But someday your own position will depend ..." Maybe. But even if today I will behave the way you want, and there is no guarantee that it would not happen with me.
Re: [Trisquel-users] How enable mp3 support in html5 for Abrowser?
"How would the world be a better place if nobody put any thought in how their actions might affect others?" You are misunderstood my position. I think about how my behavior will affect other people. Just look at it from a different point of view. All countries have problems. My country have a lot of problems too. Why I should caring about problems of YOUR country? Especially because you have a much higher standard of living than I am. It`s not envy. This simply means that your country has been much more succesful in competing with other countries. This means that your Society has enough power to solve their own problems. It`s like asking a weak person to help strongman. The only way to change my mind, prove that the "software patents" is also my problem and you really need my help.
Re: [Trisquel-users] I hear the term "free software" less and less these days
"Free software is software that liberates users, isn`t it?" I prefer copyleft to permissive licences, but I always think about copyleft licences as less liberal. And it is good in this case.
Re: [Trisquel-users] I hear the term "free software" less and less these days
I think really reason not only in ambiguity, but in word "freedom", in definition of freedom. For example, I respect Richard Stallman. But when I hear all this talks about "freedom", blah-blah-blah, I want to pinch my ears. Word "freedom" has a very vague definition. Different people can understand it in very different(sometimes even opposite) ways. Because of this, "freedom" is a favorite word of demagogues and propagandists.
Re: [Trisquel-users] How enable mp3 support in html5 for Abrowser?
"help me directly because it creates critical mass towards their cause". I think it is very strange method to solve the problem. For example, if onpon4 have problem with software patents, this is because Society of his/her country decided to use software patents. It mean, that USA have a lot of people, who belive in usefulness or innocence of software patents. And instead of attempting to change mind of people inside USA, s/he trying to enlist people from countries that do not have software patents. It is just stupid and even dangerous. Society of USA powerful and rich, it not allow any pressure from people from other countries. And what usually happen when people of different countries strongly disagree? Yes, a war.
Re: [Trisquel-users] How enable mp3 support in html5 for Abrowser?
"If one million ants would confront you, you would not have chance." Yes. But it is very different case. In this case it will be most likely war between anthills. And some anthills have nuclear weapon.
[Trisquel-users] What difference between main forum and "the troll hole"?
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Re: [Trisquel-users] How enable mp3 support in html5 for Abrowser?
"I think it was a court ruling that decided that software ideas can be patented." Maybe. But even in this case, it was approved by the Society. Who gave judges power to make this decision? The Society. And if judges really will go against interest of the Society, they would be fired. Or even worse, there will be the revolution, bloody and ruthless. "any programmer who is rational is against it" Maybe. But how about businessmen and lawers? They may not agree with you. "You think it`s limited to the U.S.?" Of course not! "not disrupt our efforts to fix the problem" But why you don`t deleted browsers that support patented formats, like Uzbl, xxxterm, etc? "If that doesn`t work, use another free browser that does support MP3" Yes, I just do it with xxxterm. Anyway, I just wanted to listen Yandex Music. "and still more countries have pressure on them to have software patents". First you have to prove, that there is more beneficial alternatives of software patents for a society. Maybe it is bad only from the point of view of programmers and geeks?
Re: [Trisquel-users] I hear the term "free software" less and less these days
Yes, free software well defined. But not most important word, FREEDOM.
Re: [Trisquel-users] How enable mp3 support in html5 for Abrowser?
Just imagine dominoes standing in a row. The Society push first domino and started a chain reaction. If something will go wrong, then the Society may remove "bad" dominoes and stop chain reaction. Regardless of the length of the chain. But if the chain reaction continues, it means that the Society thinks "all right".
Re: [Trisquel-users] How enable mp3 support in html5 for Abrowser?
But how about royalty-free patents?
[Trisquel-users] Are we need to remove software, that support patented formats?
If add support of mp3 in firefox is bad idea because of software patents, then it will be logical to remove software, that already have support of patented formats. Or I don't understand something?
Re: [Trisquel-users] How enable mp3 support in html5 for Abrowser?
Why? Are you think my country will be "infected"? I think if software patents really such bad thing for the Society, then countries without software patents will be have significant competitive advantages. If your society go mad and saw off the bough on which it is sitting, then it is not concern of software_patent-free societies. It is beneficial for software_patent-free societies. Because it would weaken powerful competitors, like USA.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Please, help me get rid of Skype.
Version for Windows is REQUIREMENT. Twinkle absolutely useless
Re: [Trisquel-users] Please, help me get rid of Skype.
"Your friends don`t need to use the same programm" I know it. Installing the same software simplifies troubleshooting of communication.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Please, help me get rid of Skype.
I know it too. But there are less distinction than between different programms.
Re: [Trisquel-users] Please, help me get rid of Skype.
I think QuteCom better choice. It is have very Skype-like interface.
