Re: [U2] What ETL?

[Debster]

Interesting comments on the subjectadmittedly I was fishing and
wondering if anyone would mention Kore Technologies Kourier product.  (which
I don't have)

So I guess I should offer also what I currently do

My first question when someone mentions ETL, is

"What exactly are you trying to do?"

Mention what was once a term relegated more toward data modeling tools for
data warehousing (and they are usually just as confused about WHAT is a data
warehouse often blurring an  ODS with what a true Data Warehouse is - but I
digress)

"Are you trying to do data modeling"

"For reporting?"

"Data movement to another box?, Platform?"

"What and when do you want to move data?"

It took me a while, but I don't like the approach of spending months on
creating a home grown U2 tool - often you code yourself into a corner with
no room for growth or change in platform  -- Use that U2 coding for
something useful in an application

IF you are not moving an entire file, (which I would say amounts to 98.5% of
the time) why would you limit yourself to a tool that only handles a single
file at a time?

When I implemented the EDI translator I selected something that was not
strictly EDI so I could simply use it to move data, generate reports etc

My Steps more or less:

1)I First design the Unidata File (this would include determining what
fields I want from an existing file)

2)I then create simple SQL Dictionaries which I keep within a separate
account (to keep them nice & tidy and away from wayward fingers 2 dict
levels for the same file if need be )

3)   Then Convert the Dicts to SQL

4)   Simply use VSG to create Views, Combined Views, Sub-tables as needed
down to the sub-value

I hate the U2 XML tool since I think it makes butt ugly XML and that does
not remotely resemble the masses - tried it and gave up

I don't think the U2 mapper is quite ripe yet - close but not ripe in less
than 7.1 (soon to upgrade)

5)   Use plain 'ol ODBC setting up the datalink

6)   Use the windows client 3rd party tool to map the visible U2 Tables to
SQL tables as needed (drag & drop - promotes SQL mindset)

7)   A key is dropped to a Samba Shared Directory activating a Event Trigger
on SQL to grab the data and extract the data as mapped

8)   The Event driven mapping allows for data to be written back to Unidata
down to the Sub-value


NOWsince I want to get more bang for my buck out of the "not only for
EDI tool" I would like to if possible disband the use of the Samba Share
Event Trigger and simply write that data FROM Unidata to SQL

(ok - I need a good driver!)  Suggestions?

ALSO - (here is the search for the magic bullet) IF a file is mapped to a
SQL file how to capture "changed" only records for transmission

I'm scratching my head thinking.

Well.if you STAT a file or record...and that is where the brain fart
takes over and I lose the path I am going down


That is just my .02


Debster



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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org]on Behalf Of Dawn Wolthuis
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 1:33 PM
To: U2 Users List
Subject: Re: [U2] What ETL?


On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 12:25 PM, Mecki Foerthmann wrote:
> If the price of Datastage wouldn't be so prohibitive...

They have some very good pricing for the U2 version of DataStage. It
has some restrictions which might sound problematic, but I'm told it
is easy to use and deal with the restrictions. I do not have pricing
information, but I recall there was a vast difference between the
regular product price and the U2 product price.

> So I (have to) use SQL-Server DTS through ODBC and except for one file
which
> has some records with tens of thousands of multi-values I had no problems
so
> far.

Yes, I opted not to suggest that option simply bz you have to work
with your source via ODBC, which can be rather painful, even if
doable.

> I am not sure, maybe the ODBC part of Avante is even SB+ standard, but I
> guess with UniSQL it wouldn't be a big deal to create SQL-schemas either.
> It was a bit tricky to get some I-Descriptors to work at first, but I soon
> got the hang of it.
>
> I found it is actually quite quick - even files with hundreds of thousands
> of records take only a couple of minutes to load, and since I do the
upload
> over night it isn't a problem.
> SSIS would obviously even better than DTS since you can trap unclean data,
> but if you can't have anything else and your data is clean, DTS does the
> trick.
> If it works with Unidata 5.2 and standard SQL Server 2000 tools, who needs
> expensive ETL software?
> Well, that's at least what my boss obviously thinks.

Yes, if you are headed into SQL Server and you already have ODBC
licked, then DTS is a reasonable, if a bit irritating, approach.

>

Re: [U2] Mixed Case UV Basic Programming Standards.

[Debster]

>sorry<

But I am giggling about this since after writing outside U2...I LIKE mixed
case to distingush certain things...

It just pisses some of the people off that I work with  -  because they
still write ala circa 1982!



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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org]on Behalf Of Dawn Wolthuis
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 3:31 PM
To: U2 Users List
Subject: Re: [U2] Mixed Case UV Basic Programming Standards.


Since we are writing something new, I started out with Java styling
rules, then saw that the AJAX toolset was written by people more
accustomed to vb styling, so there is some mishmash, but we have

File Names: CamelCase
Field Names: CamelCase
Constants: UPPER
local variables: sometimeslower otherwise lowerCamelCase
verbs and other reserved words: lower

This pretty much aligns with our javascript styling too.  --dawn

On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Charles
Stevenson wrote:
> I don't like the way I use mixed case, so it tends to evolve.  Not good,
> because consistency in programming style throughout an application makes
for
> easier maintenance, & maintainability is the god of software quality.
>
> So I am wondering how others use mixed case.
> Do you capitalize/lower/mix case for  commands? Operators? Variables?
> Equates? etc.
> How do you use/not use special characters in variable names?
>
> For example:
>  readu OrderMaster from ORDER.MASTER, OrderMasterId locked ...
>  readU OE_rec from OE_f, OE_id  locked ...
>  ReadVU OE_Date From ORDER.MASTER, OE$Id,  OE$Date Locked ...
>  READU order.master.rec( oe$date ) FROM order.master.file, order.master.id
> LOCKED ...
> That sort of thing.
>
> I hesitate to even ask this for fear of starting a war. So ground rules
for
> this thread:
>
> 1. NOT about MERITS of Uppercase only vs. Mixed Case programming.
>    I am only interested in answers from people who actually use mixed
case.
> 2. NOT about GOTO.  Take it outside.
> 3. This is about PREFERENCE, NOT SUBSTANCE.
>    By "substantive" I mean rules like:
>       - Only open a file once.
>      - Readu should always have a locked clause.
>    By "preference" I mean stuff like my example.  They are all
functionally
> equivalent.
> 4. NO ARGUMENTS about whether someone's style is good or bad, or yours is
> better.
>      Explaining why you do it a certain way is helpful, though.
>      Just remember, when it comes to preferences, no two programmers will
> agree,
>      yet consistent style, whate'er it be, increases maintainability.
>
> Thanks,
> Chuck Stevenson
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Re: [U2] What ETL?

[Debster]

OK - Lemme clarify that

Unidata to  SQLand other possible similar databases



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Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 12:50 AM
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Subject: [U2] What ETL?


Just takin' a survey

What ETL tool do you use - 

Why do you like it?

Ease of use




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[U2] What ETL?

[Debster]

Just takin' a survey

What ETL tool do you use - 

Why do you like it?

Ease of use




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Re: [U2] How do you do EDI?

[Debster]

BTW.at www.Softsearch.com they have a free download of their EDI Notepad
that is a great little desktop tool for anyone doing EDI.  It enables you to
view any EDI and will alert you to any structural errors, including improper
codes utilized in segments (i.e. 128, 235)  It also has a complete X12 doc
behind it allowing you to view all possible qualifiers



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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org]on Behalf Of Debster
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 9:43 PM
To: U2 Users List
Subject: Re: [U2] How do you do EDI?


We purchased an relatively inexpensive (compared to GenTran) Translation
package. www.softsearch.com   It provides many standard templates for
various EDI Docs, but it is not for EDI alone.  It can be used to produce
EDI, XML docs (for cross platform use), and even text data files, it  sends
alerts, has a communication package (that we use to keep the garbage off the
legacy system, stmp, ftp, AS2) It is SQL based so any data that we wish to
transmit we build Tables  sending a key to a shared trigger file which
signals us to drop off/pick up.  It is highly flexible, kept up to date with
standards and has great documentation.

Debra A. Fedchin
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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org]on Behalf Of Martin Scholl
  Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 5:32 PM
  To: 'U2 Users List'
  Subject: Re: [U2] How do you do EDI?


  I wrote a suite of Windows applications for HIPAA EDI transaction sets
using UniDynArrays and U2 databases.

  I parse the EDI documents into dynamic arrays and store individual
transactions completely in one record. The nesting of the EDI document is
transformed into the nesting of fields, values, subvalues, textvalues and
even subtextvalues (chr(250) as delimiter). HIPAA deals primarily with the
837 healthcare claim, which is truly complex.

  The Dynamic array allows me to store and reproduce EDI records a task that
a truly normalized database needs upwards of 70 dependent tables. Healthcare
has extensive exchanges of EDI records between providers, payers, repricing
organizations and the government.

  My clients use just a subset of the data which they select for their
legacy application while I take care of the integrity and completeness of
the record.





  Martin Scholl

  www.HIPAAsuite.com

  18910 New Hampshire Ave

  Brinklow, MD 20862

  Phone: 301-924-5537

  Cell: 301-613-9572

  msch...@martinscholl.com



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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Norman Bauer
  Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 9:25 AM
  To: U2 Users List
  Subject: [U2] How do you do EDI?



  We have a very painful, labor intensive way that we do EDI. From the way
we create the X12 documents to our users inputing information to be sent in
an EDI message. I would like to start evaluating alternative methods to our
current practices. All suggestions welcome.



  Norm

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Re: [U2] How do you do EDI?

[Debster]

The two biggest problems I have found with EDI are..

If you coded it...it does not have the flexibility of a translator
(especially when someone sends segments out of whack)  and It is a pain to
tweak for 1 or 2 oddballs

It's better to leave it to someone else to keep the standards up to date.  I
have enough to do

Debra A. Fedchin
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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org]on Behalf Of George Gallen
  Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 9:50 AM
  To: U2 Users List
  Subject: Re: [U2] How do you do EDI?


  Our EDI usage is fairly simple (850,855 and 810) right now. We are using a
provider, where we receive and transmit XML files,

 who then converts them into edi and drops them on the network.



  Whenever a new 850 comes in, the provider sends an email.

  we are running UV on unix, so the email is aliased/forwarded (appended) to
a file.

  In UV we have a process that monitors that file for changes.



  This triggers a program that then goes out to their ftp site, and reads
any new XML files.

  The XML is then converted into an internal format (From the 850). This
record then becomes the master record for that

 edi transaction. as it passes through our edi system, it's updated.
Once everything is approved, an internal 855 format

 is created, as well as an internal 810 format is created when the order
is processed/invoiced.



  I have a file of providers, which has in which format the 850 will be in,
the 855 and 810 needs to be (EDI or XML),

  depending on that value, I have subroutines that convert to/from the
internal format to either EDI or XML, and

  then if 855/810, the file is then uploaded to the providers ftp site. also
in the file, is the ftp site name, password

  any special ftp commands that have to be executed, and the drop folder
name. This way if there is more than one

  trading partner that needs to use different providers, the program will
automatically adjust to the format and/or

  the ftp site.



  The base programs are consistent, since they all work off the internal
format, then depending on the provider or

  the format, will run subroutines specific to each. This way if we add a
new provider or trading partner that needs

  something unique, it's just a matter of creating a new subroutine just for
them, and the base edi works the same.



  I'm fairly new to edi, and this was my first attempt at a "system" , my
next add-on will be to check the site every

  hour and download any 997's that have come in, and update the edi record
with that information as well. Since

  we are starting this from the ground up, it was fairly easy to integrate
it into our order entry, shipping fulfillment

  and accounts receivable systems.



  One thing I just don't understand..Why is it so freakin expensive to
transmit EDI transactions? in today's age

  of the internet and transmission speeds.



  If RECORD contains the EDI-formatted-data..

  CONVERT "~" TO CHAR(254) IN RECORD

  CONVERT "*" TO CHAR(253) IN RECORD

  So if RECORD<1,1>="ST" then RECORD<1,2>="ST01", RECORD<1,3>="ST02" .etc



  you now have a mulitvalued record of the edidata (to some extent, doesn't
format

 loops).





  From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org
[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Norman Bauer
  Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 9:25 AM
  To: U2 Users List
  Subject: [U2] How do you do EDI?



  We have a very painful, labor intensive way that we do EDI. >From the way
we create the X12 documents to our users inputing information to be sent in
an EDI message. I would like to start evaluating alternative methods to our
current practices. All suggestions welcome.



  Norm
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Re: [U2] How do you do EDI?

[Debster]

We purchased an relatively inexpensive (compared to GenTran) Translation
package. www.softsearch.com   It provides many standard templates for
various EDI Docs, but it is not for EDI alone.  It can be used to produce
EDI, XML docs (for cross platform use), and even text data files, it  sends
alerts, has a communication package (that we use to keep the garbage off the
legacy system, stmp, ftp, AS2) It is SQL based so any data that we wish to
transmit we build Tables  sending a key to a shared trigger file which
signals us to drop off/pick up.  It is highly flexible, kept up to date with
standards and has great documentation.

Debra A. Fedchin
~~
H: 732.698.0499
C: 732.233.3088
www.infinite-systems.net

"Anyone can hold the helm when the sea is calm".
-Syrus Publilius








  -Original Message-
  From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org
[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org]on Behalf Of Martin Scholl
  Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2009 5:32 PM
  To: 'U2 Users List'
  Subject: Re: [U2] How do you do EDI?


  I wrote a suite of Windows applications for HIPAA EDI transaction sets
using UniDynArrays and U2 databases.

  I parse the EDI documents into dynamic arrays and store individual
transactions completely in one record. The nesting of the EDI document is
transformed into the nesting of fields, values, subvalues, textvalues and
even subtextvalues (chr(250) as delimiter). HIPAA deals primarily with the
837 healthcare claim, which is truly complex.

  The Dynamic array allows me to store and reproduce EDI records a task that
a truly normalized database needs upwards of 70 dependent tables. Healthcare
has extensive exchanges of EDI records between providers, payers, repricing
organizations and the government.

  My clients use just a subset of the data which they select for their
legacy application while I take care of the integrity and completeness of
the record.





  Martin Scholl

  www.HIPAAsuite.com

  18910 New Hampshire Ave

  Brinklow, MD 20862

  Phone: 301-924-5537

  Cell: 301-613-9572

  msch...@martinscholl.com



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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Norman Bauer
  Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 9:25 AM
  To: U2 Users List
  Subject: [U2] How do you do EDI?



  We have a very painful, labor intensive way that we do EDI. From the way
we create the X12 documents to our users inputing information to be sent in
an EDI message. I would like to start evaluating alternative methods to our
current practices. All suggestions welcome.



  Norm

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RE: [U2] OLEDB error

[Debster]

Well...

After all the back and forth in attempting to transfer data back & forth
between a third party SQL Server based tool...

IMHO

-- Unidata XML is rudimentary at best.  It is not exactly pretty, outbound
is easy even if esthetically UGLY, is easily transmitted, read, and data
populated once outside Unidata.

-- Parsing inbound XML data is yet another story on Unidata 6.x it simply
does not work.  Not ready for prime time.  The only work around is to create
a program to read the tags and populate.  One document states to create a
map (was done), yet another document states to create an extract file,
(duh - isn't a map stating what field, size, position providing the same
information? - use the search on the complete doc set and see all the
conflicting hits you can find!) A Big Thumbs down. This method was bagged

-- The XML/DB tool has bugs - but is workable, but for what end result I do
not know due to the above mentioned results

-- ODBC/OLEDB setup, documentation, & support is nearly non-existent and
woefully skewed and is devoid of "Big Picture", "Best Practices" and
"Commonly used" information.  It took FOREVER to get the slimmest of answers
to basic questions.

-- End result, I am able to write directly from within the appOh joy!
Direct DML used... SQL Server 2005 to Unidata 6.x down to the Multi
subvalue.  The data can cleanly be pushed or pulled in either direction.
This was done with much trial and error invested -- no additional third
party drivers required - and if I told you how I did it -- I would have to
kill you

-- and NOW they decide the time is to upgrade to Unidata 7.x

-- aaahh


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From: owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org
[mailto:owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org]on Behalf Of Garry Smith
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 4:53 PM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: RE: [U2] OLEDB error


Insert to a view has several limitations:
You cannot Insert multiple tables to a view with multiple
tables. Only one table at a time.
If a view is not showing all the fields and some of those
"un-seen" fields do not allow nulls then when you do an Insert to the
view it fails.


Garry L. Smith
Dir Info Systems
Charles McMurray Company
V# 559-292-5782   F# 559-346-6169

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[mailto:owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Symeon Breen
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 1:44 PM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: RE: [U2] OLEDB error

What is the actual sql command you are performing ?

It is a bit confusing as the error talks about an insert but it is a
select it is showing.





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From: owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org
[mailto:owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Debra Fedchin
Sent: 17 February 2009 15:59
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: RE: [U2] OLEDB error

Yep

All permission's are set to PUBLIC

It is frustrating since most of the DOCS give examples of utilizing SQL
statements as if you attempting to manipulate Unidata data within the
Unidata server itself  (duh -- now why would I be attempting to make
like more complicated for no good reason?) OR examples of how to EXTRACT
data from a SQL server into Unidata.

There are no clear examples of a standard SQL statement that would be
used on a Client to update exposed SQL Tables that have a parent/child
relationship (MV) -- and a statement that goes beyond a mere snipit that
would give you more than the smallest granular overview.

It's bad enough that the XML extract does not work as documented (non
standard and just plain butt ugly in regards to hierarchy!) without
adding further insult to injury.  All I am trying to do is to update
FROM a client to Unidata without having to drop-kick to flat text files!

It ain't rocket science!





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02/12/2009 08:11 PM
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Username has permissions to create and insert granted?

HP


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Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 11:08 AM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Cc: owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org; 'u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org'
Subject: [U2] OLEDB error

ok

Can someone tell me why I got this error?

Debug: OLEDB driver: Insert SQL='SELECT BIG_01_Invoice_Date,
BIG_02_Invoice_Num, BIG_03_PO_Date, BIG_04_PO_Num, BIG_05_Rel_Num,
BIG_07_Trans_Type, Benco_Host, CTT_01_CTT_Amt, DTM_01_Date_Qualifer,
DTM_02_Date_Shipped, Date_Processed, EDI810_ID, Mailbox, N1_BT_01_Code,
N1_BT_02_Name, N1_BT_03_Qualifier, N1_BT_04_ID, N3_BT_01_Address1,
N3_BT_02_Address2, N4_BT_01_City, N4_BT_02_State, N4_BT_03_Zip,
N4_BT_04_Country_Code, TDS_01_Amount, Trading_Partner, Vendor_Num FROM
daf.EDI_INVOICE_HDR_NF_SUB WHERE (0=1)'
Erro

[U2] HELP - Issues with Unidata 6.1.15 & SQL

[Debster]

Must I utilize a BCI connection in conjunction with attempting to do a
datalink update to a Unidata SQL table from a Microsoft based app?

I set up the OLEDB connection and am able to view the subtables from the
application.  But when I set it to auto update from the translation map it
bombs with the following error.

Error: Couldn't insert row into table 'DELTA_TP_CUST_VEND_MV_SUB'.
Error: Error 0x80004005: "[Ardent][UniData ODBC Driver][IBM][SQL
Client][UNIDATA]Transaction access conflict: update in READ ONLY
transaction"

Is it a set-up issue?

All permissions on the table are set to PUBLIC

Is it because the app does not have a login name in unix within the proper
group to access the table?

What is the correct version of the OLEDB driver for 6.1.15 and what driver
should be used on the SQL server side

Or is it BCI is the missing link

I do not remember having such difficulties cross platform before!
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RE: [U2] FW: XML Help!

[Debster]

I wasn't using an extraction file..I was using a .map

I am on Unidata 6.115



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Well, not knowing what release you are on, or the specific details of your
map file, I can only guess.  In the release notes there is the following:

Problems Fixed in UniVerse Release 10.2.8 (Build 6164)

10077   Beginning at UniVerse 10.1.0, UniVerse no longer retrieved
XML data if the XML source document included references to
namespaces, and you were using an XML extraction file to
retrieve the data. This problem resulted from an internal error
when processing namespace definitions, and has been fixed.

There are other XML fixes in other releases but his might be what you are
hitting.

Michael Rajkowski
SWG Client Support - Information Management Software
Software Engineer ? IBM U2 Client Support Team
1-800-729-3553
mraj...@us.ibm.com

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RE: [U2] FW: XML Help!

[Debster]

I should also add the all attributes are unique although the combined XML
doc uses different namespaces for the header & detail



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Debster,

The TOXML uses the extraction file.  XMLTODB and DBTOXML uses the XMAP
file.  There are a few differences.  If you plan on importing the data
back into the U2 file then you should use the XMAP.  It maps the XML (
defined in a DTD or SCHEMA ) to the actual data fields ( D-TYPE
dictionaries ), where the extract file will allow the creation of XML for
not only the data fields but also the derived fields ( I or V type
dictionaries )

Since you are using the TOXML keyword, I would recommend that you create a
map based on your query statement.  Add the WITHSHCEMA or WITHDTD keyword
( Note that the 'TO' clause will write out the XML file and the DTD or
Schema. )

You can then use the DTD or Schema to create the XMAP, and use the XMAP
for the DBTOXML.



Michael Rajkowski
SWG Client Support - Information Management Software
Software Engineer ? IBM U2 Client Support Team
1-800-729-3553
mraj...@us.ibm.com

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RE: [U2] FW: XML Help!

[Debster]

This is the entire issue

I created a Header & detail file since the files would go too deep (beyond
subvalue)

I then created the xsd & dtd files via the TOXML

These were then ported over to a SQL server box where the EDI translator
reside

On the SQL server box I then created a XML model containing both files and
created a DTD from this combination

This combined DTD was written to the _XML_ file that sits between the Unix
box and SQL

Using this DTD I created the combined map with the XML/DB tool (which I
found a wee bit funky*)

I attempted to use this with the XML.TODB since I was attempting to populate
ALL named attributes (none of which are virtual) and not selectively
updating fields

After multiple attempts it responded with a "success" yet no files/tables
were updated (no records)

So my thought after reading the thoroughly confusing documentation, and the
XML.TODB did not work  is that I needed to create a extract file in order to
populate the Unidata files

My last question is - do I need to create two extract files or can it be
handled as a combined header & detail

I'm open to any suggestions


FUNKY = when creating the combined map I made the mistake of mapping a
subvalued field first in the detail portion which resulted in placing the
subvalue as the StartNode:







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Debster,

The TOXML uses the extraction file.  XMLTODB and DBTOXML uses the XMAP
file.  There are a few differences.  If you plan on importing the data
back into the U2 file then you should use the XMAP.  It maps the XML (
defined in a DTD or SCHEMA ) to the actual data fields ( D-TYPE
dictionaries ), where the extract file will allow the creation of XML for
not only the data fields but also the derived fields ( I or V type
dictionaries )

Since you are using the TOXML keyword, I would recommend that you create a
map based on your query statement.  Add the WITHSHCEMA or WITHDTD keyword
( Note that the 'TO' clause will write out the XML file and the DTD or
Schema. )

You can then use the DTD or Schema to create the XMAP, and use the XMAP
for the DBTOXML.



Michael Rajkowski
SWG Client Support - Information Management Software
Software Engineer ? IBM U2 Client Support Team
1-800-729-3553
mraj...@us.ibm.com

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RE: [U2] FW: XML Help!

[Debster]

OkI feel like a hamster in a habitrail



 "its the documentation sirshe just couldn't take it anymore...it told
her at least three ways to do the same thing...even though she was limber
from all the yoga she does ...she still turned into a pretzel and was eaten
by the ogres of extensible languages"


 Can someone explain the different uses of the U2XMAP file vs the Extract
file when attempting to parse an inbound XML? Especially when attempting to
populate 2 separate files. [a single file would have gone too deep]  I
attempted to use the XML.TODB since I was not selectively updating, but
rather attempting to update every named attribute within the XML

So if I use Unibasic rather than a TCL command I need the extract file?!?

 Both the Map and xml doc were located within _XML_

 How can TOXML work like a charm and yet its reverse is soo.


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> [mailto:owner-u2-us...@listserver.u2ug.org]on Behalf Of Debster
> Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 3:07 PM
> To: u2-us...@listserver. U2ug. Org
> Subject: [U2] FW: XML
>
>
> Hmmm...is this a damned if you do and damed if you don't?
>
>
> XML.TODB SampleMe.XML InboundStdEDIInvoice.map
> error message:
> U2XMAP/U2XML_extraction:  EDI_PARENT in  is
> already defined in  EDI_INVOICE_LINE_EDIInvoiceDetail.
>
> Error when open the XMAP as a dataset.
> XML.TODB Failed
>
> So I go in and adjust and run it again
>
> :.X
> XML.TODB SampleMe.XML InboundStdEDIInvoice.map
> error message:
> U2XMAP/U2XML_extraction: Cannot find column EDI_PARENT in file
> EDI_INVOICE_LINE.
>
>
> Error when open the XMAP as a dataset.
> XML.TODB Failed
>
>
> I adjust again and get a success
>
> Yippee!
>
> But there is no data to be found!
>
>
>
> Debster
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OkI feel like a hamster in a habitrail



"its the documentation sirshe just couldn't take it anymore...it told
her at least three ways to do the same thing...even though she was limber
from all the yoga she does ...she still turned into a pretzel and was eaten
by the ogres of extensible languages"


Can someone explain the different uses of the U2XMAP file vs the Extract
file when attempting to parse an inbound XML? Especially when attempting to
populate 2 separate files. [a single file would have gone too deep]  I
attempted to use the XML.TODB since I was not selectively updating, but
rather attempting to update every named attribute within the XML

Both the Map and xml doc were located within _XML_

How can TOXML work like a charm and yet its reverse is soo.







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Subject: [U2] FW: XML


Hmmm...is this a damned if you do and damed if you don't?


XML.TODB SampleMe.XML InboundStdEDIInvoice.map
error message:
U2XMAP/U2XML_extraction:  EDI_PARENT in  is
already defined in  EDI_INVOICE_LINE_EDIInvoiceDetail.

Error when open the XMAP as a dataset.
XML.TODB Failed

So I go in and adjust and run it again

:.X
XML.TODB SampleMe.XML InboundStdEDIInvoice.map
error message:
U2XMAP/U2XML_extraction: Cannot find column EDI_PARENT in file
EDI_INVOICE_LINE.


Error when open the XMAP as a dataset.
XML.TODB Failed


I adjust again and get a success

Yippee!

But there is no data to be found!



Debster
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[U2] FW: XML

[Debster]

Hmmm...is this a damned if you do and damed if you don't?


XML.TODB SampleMe.XML InboundStdEDIInvoice.map
error message:
U2XMAP/U2XML_extraction:  EDI_PARENT in  is
already defined in  EDI_INVOICE_LINE_EDIInvoiceDetail.

Error when open the XMAP as a dataset.
XML.TODB Failed

So I go in and adjust and run it again

:.X
XML.TODB SampleMe.XML InboundStdEDIInvoice.map
error message:
U2XMAP/U2XML_extraction: Cannot find column EDI_PARENT in file
EDI_INVOICE_LINE.


Error when open the XMAP as a dataset.
XML.TODB Failed


I adjust again and get a success

Yippee!

But there is no data to be found!



Debster
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[U2] Performance issues on Unidata 7.x Unix 5.3

[Debster]

This regards a system just moved from unix 5.3 unidata 6.x to a p570 still
with unix 5.3 but the latest and greatest (ahem) 7.x

Problem is most bench marking tools do not allow the load you will
experience during uptime -- as in everyone is logged off and out

I need advice on what to check regarding the performance issues especially
in relation to cross platform connections, odbc, shared SQL tables created
thru VSG,  etc.

ODBC and locking issues

If the addition of logging certain items will cause a significant drain
(adding more misery)

Config parameters to double-check especially regarding their relationship to
Unix config parameters

Issues related to porting an older version to a new box and potential
carryover conflicts (drivers located in two udt directories when you are not
really running concurrently)

Some areas saw significant increase of speed, while otherswell...
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RE: [U2] Unidata COPY Weirdness?

[Debster]

because it is really just the unix "cp" command wrapped so it reacts the
same

ED reacts the same with embedded spaces





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I understand the fix, but what I don't understand is why COPY works
different from ED or DELETE or other commands.
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RE: [U2] Unidata COPY Weirdness?

[Debster]

Because ! is speaking Unix

In order to copy, read, etc some items that contain some special characters,
or spaces you must wrap them with "" in order for the system to translate
what is enclosed to characters

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Have you tried quoting the item-ID?

I don't have any explanation for why the "!" would cause the "split".

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Subject: [U2] Unidata COPY Weirdness?

Is there any particular reason why the following command fails on
Unidata
(ECLTYPE P)?

COPY file 0011327008!1

It splits the key on the ! character and sees it like two different
items.
Is there a way to stop this?
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RE: [U2][EMPLOYMENT]

[Debster]

well then -- I'm in trouble but I'm 35 miles from ground zero as the crow
flies

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Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 10:39 AM
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Subject: Re: [U2][EMPLOYMENT]


I'm a mere 50 miles from ground zero.  It's probably affecting my
mental processes.
:-)
j


On 6/7/07, Jerry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> If the government has anything to say about it then it probably would be
> separated. In the past though it was not unusual to have one person doing
> everything in the IS department because he/she was the only one in the
> department.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "john reid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 8:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [U2][EMPLOYMENT]
>
>
> > Not talking just one thing though.  Foremost is the fact that its
> > likely that IF you're doing the administration, and the development
> > there are probably segregation of duties issues with even the most
> > passive audit.
> > Notwithstanding ... it still sounds like more than one fte, at least
> > to this former IT manager.
> > j
> >
> > On 6/7/07, Jerry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> Sounds normal for this business. Every job I've ever had was similar,
> >> never
> >> had a job where I did only one thing all day every day.
> >>
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: "john reid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: 
> >> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 7:28 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [U2][EMPLOYMENT]
> >>
> >>
> >> > Maybe I read the job description wrong, but it seems that you are
> >> > searching for one person to do just about everything that is involved
> >> > with keeping a system running. Administration, design, DEVELOPMENT,
> >> > and the ability to work all hours, not to mention having time to
> >> > 'fluidly' communicate with probably department heads etc.
> >> > My $.02.
> >> > j
> >> >
> >> > On 6/1/07, Perry Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >> Senior UniVerse System Administrator (Technology)
> >> >> ZirMed, Inc.
> >> >> Louisville, Kentucky
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> This job reports to the Chief Technology Officer
> >> >>
> >> >> Relocation is negotiable and travel is not required.
> >> >>
> >> >> This is a Full-Time position, working 1st Shift.
> >> >>
> >> >> Number of Openings for this position: 1
> >> >>
> >> >> To apply please forward resume mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] or
> >> >> mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >>
> >> >> View this and other opportunities at
> >> >> http://www.zirmed.com/public/employment.aspx
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >>
> >> >> Overview
> >> >> ZirMed, Inc., a Louisville based leader in the Healthcare Electronic
> >> >> Claims Clearinghouse arena, is seeking a Senior UniVerse System
> >> >> Administrator to be responsible for the overall design,
implementation
> >> >> and administration of all facets of the ZirMed UniVerse System.
> >> >>
> >> >> Job Skills/Requirements
> >> >> GENERAL RESPONSIBILITIES:
> >> >> .
> >> >> System Design and Implementation
> >> >> o Database design
> >> >> o Data and process distribution
> >> >> o Application design
> >> >> .
> >> >> Linux Administrator
> >> >> o Operating system installation, configuration and maintenance
> >> >> o Security
> >> >> o Performance and monitoring of backups and restores
> >> >> o Software installation, configuration and maintenance
> >> >> o File system monitoring and maintenance
> >> >> o User account maintenance
> >> >> .
> >> >> UniVerse Administrator
> >> >> o Installation and configuration of UniVerse
> >> >> o Account creation and management
> >> >> o Configuration, monitoring and troubleshooting of transaction
logging
> >> >> o Performance and monitoring of backups and restores
> >> >> o UniVerse security administration
> >> >> .
> >> >> Developer
> >> >> o Develop and test applications in both UNIX and UniVerse
> >> >> o Maintain and/or enhance existing applications
> >> >> .
> >> >> Source Control Administrator
> >> >> o Monitor source control and software deployment by developers
> >> >> .
> >> >> Application Software Deployment
> >> >> o Organize and coordinate application software quality assurance and
> >> >> deployment for both scheduled and non-scheduled code turn cycles
> >> >> .
> >> >> Development Standards
> >> >> o Establish, maintain and implement development standards and
> >> >> conventions
> >> >> .
> >> >> Developer Educator in topics such as
> >> >> o UniVerse BASIC programming practices, conventions and techniques
> >> >> o UNIX shell programming practices, conventions and techniques
> >> >> o Using UniVerse indexes, triggers, sockets interface, CallHTTP
> >> >> interface
> >> >> o Dictionaries
> >> >> o Query techniques and optimization
> >> >> o Source Control Management
> >> >> .
> >> >> Production Process Monitoring
> >> >> o Monitor the production environment through the use of email
alerts,
> >> >> reports, interactive examination, etc., fo

RE: [U2] WRITE issues??

[Debster]

a) is it at only one location and they are running the same software
(possible operator)

b) Locking

c) If the "old" data appears after a batch process where the data was
updated prior to the operator entry possible batch overwrite

d) If it's SB then possible that subroutine did not return with 'update"

e) Possible re-read of record without updates and overwrite (but that would
show up immediately and they would think the update never occurred)

Yes, try a trigger to see when the updates occur and write them to a log.
If using ODBC with several sites, make sure the ODBC account (if separate)
also has the MD's created on it


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To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: Re: [U2] WRITE issues??


Thanks everyone.  I'm trying to answer all questions in the same email.

We have a very old system (about 20 years).  It's mostly 'vanilla'
pick.  We've been using UniVerse for longer than I've been working with
this system (4 years).  I worked with MUMPS for the previous 23 years.
We don't have a front end.  We aren't using UniObjects.  We aren't using
transaction logging, but I really want to do that soon.

The sysadmin who did most of the work on the system took a new job a few
months ago.  We've been experiencing some problems with a Cold Fusion
application and they were rebooting here and there.  I think that I
heard someone say they had quit rebooting, but were now recycling
UniVerse instead.

We have two campuses.  We have a consultant who does most of the work on
the campus that's having the problems, but I got involved while he was
on vacation.  We've asked him to set up some audits.  I suggested that
he try using triggers.  We haven't used them before.

We're not using transaction processing or data replication.  The
applications that are interfacing only pull data.  We don't have any
other system writing to this system.

It sounds like audits are the best solution at this time.  Thanks for
all of your help.

--
Pamela J Robbins New Bolton Center
Senior Programmer AnalystSchool of Veterinary Medicine
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   University of Pennsylvania
610-925-6438
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RE: [U2] [AD] U2 Programmer needed in the Denver Area ASAP

[Debster]

Maybe too much Starbucks?


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Subject: Re: [U2] [AD] U2 Programmer needed in the Denver Area ASAP


Somebody is a little TOO EXCITED... ;)

On 3/28/07, Andrew Brudwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My name is Andy Brudwick! I am an IT recruiter for Professional Search and
> Placement here in Denver. I am alway's looking for good people in this
> arena! Feel free to call or email me if you are interested or know anyone
I
> can network with! THANKS!!!
>
> I am currently conducting a search for an EXCELLENT U2 PROGRAMMER for a
> SUPERB client of ours here in Denver!
>
> This is a PERMANENT position.
>
> U2 PROGRAMMER with Unidata and/or Universe experience. The successful
> candidate should have 5 years of U2 experience and familiarity with XLr8
> tools and environment. Our client's software is 100% Web based, so
> experience with HTML/JavaScript is required.
>
> JAVA PROGRAMMER needed with U2 and similar skills.
>
> EXCELLENT BENEFITS AND VERY FLEXIBLE WORK SCHEDULE
> 100% Paid Health Insurance/High Deductibles
> 401K with 100% matching program
> 4 day work week once acclimated is possible
>
> Contact: Andy Brudwick
> (303) 779-8004
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RE: [OT][U2] Wintegrate

[Debster]

This should depend on your current version of Unidata/Universe and what
platform so you had better check what goes with what version

I was unable to get Unidebugger to actually even load on some installs with
later versions of Universe.  Buggy to say the least on some previous
installs.  I found it much easier (and reliable) to simply drop-kick to
ye'ol debugger or Trace in the case of use with SB+

Accuterm is better choice over Wintegrate, although I would never use the
proprietary GUI, (if it ain't portable) since I found it
ratherwellconvoluted and not worth the effort.

 ~ Debbie  

"Anyone can hold the helm when the sea is calm"

-Syrus Publilius

www.infinite-systems.net 

 
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Subject: RE: [OT][U2] Wintegrate


I want wIntegrate because of the tie-in to unidebugger, which can then
be tied into PRC which we are going to be purchasing soon.

Thanks,
 
Nick Cipollina
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Have you checked into Dynamic Connect?  It is the default supplied with 
Unidata/Universe PE version.

Vance Alspach




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If you must get wintegrate, it should still be available from IBM.

I would strongly go with Accuterm as it wins hands down on many 
comparisons.
Unless your apps are married to wintegrate's gui components.

Accuterm's GUI designer is huge. 2 of my clients have dictated that all 
new
programs are done with it and it works perfectly side by side in a green
screen environment.

Best of all, Accuterm is $1,000 for 50 licenses versus $225 each from
IBM.
You do the math.

My 1,000 cents
Mark Johnson



> Does anyone know where I can get a copy of Wintegrate?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nick Cipollina
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RE: [U2] Program Mgmt System

[Debster]

I'll chime in to say the samePRC



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Your best bet for a U2 aware integrated environment is PRC -- it's what we
use (and probably most people who do U2 development) -- you can get CVS to
do what you want, but it's more work from the integration standpoint - PRC
will 'wrap' the editors you typically use and ensure changes are captured.

It's like most Change management - you reap what you sow.  It's a royal pain
when you want to do a one line change and have to complete 10 steps to do
it.  But, ultimately, that's what you're trying to get control of - it's the
one line changes that wreak havoc as well!

YMMV, but it's what I've been using...

David W.

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>   To all,
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>   We are in process of getting new systems here, which
> will be allowing us to segregate the programming people from
> the live system In this light, we will actually be setting up
> a form testing to implementation environment.
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> Question:  Does anybody know of a good  'software management'
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RE: [U2] Taxware or

[Debster]

Although the info is very helpful  -- The Taxware package I was requesting
info on was a purchase that was made before my time, yet never installed
even though they have been paying maintenance already for a year!



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http://www.thestc.com/


Dave R

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As of today, Taxware is a division of ADP.

Vance



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ok

Task at hand -- install the c version of Taxware on AIX 5.3 Unidata 6.x
and interact on a transactional or batch basis.  I saw Epicor listed as
one of their partners --- so

Anyone use "Taxware" (first data company)?

Setup?

How it interacts?

Batch or transactional?


Problems?

Support raves/woes?

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RE: [U2] Taxware

[Debster]

and oh yesQuery 400 is oh so much fun ;-)



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In the last 12 years I've lost a bunch of clients due to mergers or
'upgrades' to allegedly more modern systems.

With only one exception, each was a turn for the worse. The users bemoaned
the lack of features we have installed and while it looks 'pretty' with its
GUI interface, it is nice frosting on a very plain cake.

The fact that you're migrating over to an RPG system makes me laugh and cry
at the same time. I programmed with RPG in the mid 1970's before working for
Microdata then. You will sorely miss virtually everything that is missing on
that AS/400 system that is taken for granted on an MV system.

While many contempory IT people look down their noses at us MV people, RPG
is even worse than MV in this case. Today, these youngsters think RPG is
either Role Playing Game or Rocket Propelled Grenade and not Report Program
Generator.

If there's any shred of possibly having a fair trial for the death penalty
of your MV system, then I could offer a few real-world scenarios where the
MV system would have prevailed. Now I know that we're biased towards MV. But
to go to RPG is more Jurrasic than Pick is.

My 2 cents.
Mark Johnson

P.S. I have friends who still program in COBOL, Fortran, Pascal, IDA and
even BAL. And we're the ones criticized for keeping our technologies in the
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> Mark,
>
> With all of the changes in Unidata (over the years) we have been able to
> due an awful lot with Shims.  Obviously, it no longer resembles the
> original version.  We interface to conveyor systems, built an EDI engine,
> web presence, Amazon integration, address correction software, external
> search engines, etc.  It really works well for us.  As a matter of fact,
> there is another local company, that I believe, is still using Shims as
> well.
>
> Unfortunately, every good thing comes to an end.  We were acquired by an
> entity that does not use Unidata.  Theoretically, over the next 6 months
> we will be assimilated to their AS/400 RPG 4 system.
>
> Oh, well.
>
> Vance
>
>
>
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> I'll bite.
>
> How big (or not big) is SHIMS now-a-days. I worked on it 20 years ago
> along
> with its step brother, RESULTS. Is it supported or detached like Results?
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RE: [U2] Taxware

[Debster]

Wellit's kinda funny since this system is a "highly evolved" ;-) Shims
package..



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I'll bite.

How big (or not big) is SHIMS now-a-days. I worked on it 20 years ago along
with its step brother, RESULTS. Is it supported or detached like Results?

Thanks
Mark Johnson.
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> I integrated Taxware into our business system (Shims - Unidata 6.0).  We
> use the transactional approach for exemption certificates but have
> developed a c-wrapper (with the help of this list) for the realtime api
> for the tax calculations.
>
> We do not use the client side application for tax exemptions because it is
> far to limiting (have to download to a local pc and manually enter
> certificates).
>
> If you would like move information, please feel free to contact me
> offline.
>
> Vance
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>
>
>
>
>
> ok
>
> Task at hand -- install the c version of Taxware on AIX 5.3 Unidata 6.x
> and interact on a transactional or batch basis.  I saw Epicor listed as
> one of their partners --- so
>
> Anyone use "Taxware" (first data company)?
>
> Setup?
>
> How it interacts?
>
> Batch or transactional?
>
>
> Problems?
>
> Support raves/woes?
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RE: [U2] [UV] Question about EQU

[Debster]

Then h  I got it right



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The way I understand this thing is that when you use a simple variable (A=
16) what is stored in the object code is an offset value into the descriptor
table where the value of A is stored.  If you use an EQU A to 16 then what
is stored in the object code is 16.  When the program is executed the
interpreter does not have to look the value of A up in the descriptor table
because the value is right in the object code and thus the program executes
faster.

That's what I was taught, long, long ago. :-)

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David, I am interested in your opinions as to why, given that equates
are compile time constructs, would have any impact at all on execution
speed.  Understand, I am not contesting your premise, but rather would
simply like more explanation to understand your perspective.

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RE: [U2] [UV] Question about EQU

[Debster]

Wouldn't it then be that anything that is using compiled rather than
interpretive is faster...

i.e. Basic rather than dictionaries...



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David, I am interested in your opinions as to why, given that equates
are compile time constructs, would have any impact at all on execution
speed.  Understand, I am not contesting your premise, but rather would
simply like more explanation to understand your perspective.

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RE: [U2] Access to IBM knowledgebase for in-house developers

[Debster]

You are being paranoid ;-)

They want to be able to connect your license with the account.  This way you
can also access support calls etc...

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The problem I have with giving my end users access is that I apparently
have to provide them with my company's customer ID# - at least according
to the emails I have been exchanging with IBM recently on the procedure
for getting this done.

IBM insists that the system is secure, and that end users won't be able
to use that number for unhealthy ends, but I'm not confident at all
about that.

Maybe I'm just being paranoid.  Or maybe I have completely misunderstood
IBM's description of this whole thing.

Can someone confirm or refute this?

Gary Eppel
Cerner Corporation


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If a VAR is going to make excuses and deny access, its time to review
when the contract renewal date is

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RE: [U2] Access to IBM knowledgebase for in-house developers

[Debster]

Well...

I'll thank John N when he comes in tomorrow ;-)

It's sad that IBM always seems to come in a day late and a dollar short on
cutting edge items in the service arena

I think they are still can't figure out why they fell behind in the PC
market...

I never had to deal with this on prior sites for some years due to the fact
that most of the systems I was on were purchased direct



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At 11:16 PM 11/12/2006, you wrote:

>I don't know how 'aggressive' strategy 7 needed to be in oder to secure
>access to the knowledge base..
>
>I took one phone call to them after I was booted from IBM because S7 held
>the license, and I was on in no time flat


I can speak to this as I was personally involved.  We had to be
somewhat 'aggressive' for Charles access as he was an early pioneer
for having this access once IBM released it to be open for end
users.  There were alot of kinks on the IBM side initially because of
complicated permissions with multiple user ids.  We were more or less
in a beta stage with Charles at that time and had to work through
it.  Now we have it down to a science and turn around time for access
is a day or so from the time the request is in.  (And yes now I see
your post today saying the same thing but I already typed this up :-))

And no we are not threatened by empowering our customers.  Our
customers base realizes our value add.  We provide 7X24 service at
the same rate IBM would charge and have personalized service in which
you always reach a real live person within a few rings.  Pretty much
old school ways of doing support.

And another thing, I heard talks about combining user ids on IBM's
website to a 1 universal web user id to simplify access.  We as Vars
are frustrated too as it is confusing of what user id is needed in
the different sections of IBM's website.  I have not heard anything
lately on plans of releasing this anytime soon but hopefully it is
still in the works.


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RE: [U2] [UV] - defunct processes

[Debster]

Yeah...something is probably weird with the configuration connecting the
network printers.  I had the same type of situation at a site in
Wilkes-Barre PA. What I did was change the cron kickoff of the day end
procedure to shut everything down and then restart everything, including
restarting the printers prior to processing.  This would kick everyone off,
and clear any print jobs that hung.  This happens alot if you use form
queues set up to handle specialized printing along with funky print drivers
(flipping from raw, pcl and pdf) Another culprit could be that there are
printers assigned that are no longer active or changed, so check what
printers are listed when checking uv.restart.

Be forewarnedI had it become so bad sucking up sessions that there were
memory issues making it difficult to restart uv!

Glad to hear you settled in.

As for me, I'm doing a 90 day try and buy at a spot where I did a JDE
install as a Project manager...now I'm cleaning up crappy data, and
re-engineering such simple things as validating addresses!  Maybe even
bringing them into this decade by utilizing something other than odbc
(bleh!) Could it be uniobjects?  intercall?  brush the C cobwebs from my
brain?

Hopefully I'll return to my former status before the holidays...



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Hi Debbie

Nice to hear from you.
I got me a 'real' job down here in Tampa.

Thanks for the pointers.

Our sysadmin (as usual) does not know UniVerse so there's a lot of
"blind leading the blind" going on.

The "cross-platform termination" sounds plausible but the name of the
parent process (bin/usd /usr/opt/uv/spool/uv) seems to indicate that it
is something to do with print jobs.
Our development box uses UV.NET to share some files with production.
That is not an issue where the production box does not use UV.NET for
the same files.
I'm just not sure how to identify the source of these processes.

It's one of those situations where nobody really knows what is causing
the problem and so no-one (including me  ) wants to take
ownership.

I'm just hoping I can find some sort of clue to help figure out where to
start looking.


Cheers


JR



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>[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Debster
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>
>Hey John!!
>
>I have found
>
>Bad disconnect on telnet sessions (especially those dreaded closing X )
>
>Branching out to NFS shares
>
>AIX it was coupled with Samba (users file not properly maintained)
>
>Check emulator settings
>
>Issues with phantom processes
>
>Check cross-platform processing terminations
>
>
>
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>Subject: [U2] [UV] - defunct processes
>
>
>UniVerse 9.6.1.6 on HP-UX
>
>
>
>We have a mystery on our development box which causes it to crash
(about
>weekly).
>
>
>
>$ ps -ef
>
>Shows a lot (and I mean, A LOT) of lines like these:
>
>
>
>root 18105 20014  1 18:57:34 ? 0:00 
>
>
>root 21633 20014  0 20:25:35 ? 0:00 
>
>
>root 18553 20014  0 19:05:34 ? 0:00 
>
>
>
>
>root 20014 1  0  Nov  6  ? 0:53 bin/usd
/usr/opt/uv/spool/uv
>
>
>
>
>the "20014" seems to be the parent.
>
>
>
>This does not happen on our production platform which is curious
because
>it should be a pretty close replication of our production environment.
>
>
>
>We think these are hangovers from print jobs initiated by the scheduler
>?
>
>but that is as close as anyone has come to identifying the culprit.
>
>
>
>This seems to be a weekly phenomenon and we are investigating the
>scheduler contents.
>
>
>
>Does anyone have any ideas where these might come from ?
>
>
>
>
>
>Cheers
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>JR
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RE: [U2] Access to IBM knowledgebase for in-house developers

[Debster]

Wellthat might be believable with the excepton being that the majority
portion of IBM hasn't a clue as to what U2 is...

It's not just U2 sadly though, AS400 hasn't a clue about RS6000, and worse
with RS6000 not fully understanding those items that can overlay it, ...

It's a prime example of vertical (rather than horizontal) training at its
worst..


 ~ Debster

"Anyone can hold the helm when the sea is calm".
-Syrus Publilius

www.infinite-systems.net




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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of phil walker
Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 5:57 PM
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Conspiracy Theory:

Maybe IBM does not want a future MV environment, maybe they hope
everyone will go to DB2...if so, then I hope it works. I think more
likely they would go to Microsoft, where information is readily
available.

;-)


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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Leach
Sent: Monday, 13 November 2006 6:45 a.m.
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Subject: RE: [U2] Access to IBM knowledgebase for in-house developers

Exactly !

A good knowledge flow opens people's eyes and creates opportunities.

And it's not just an end user issue. Without knowledge flow where will
the next generation of vars come from? Who will bring new blood and
investment? How will we encourage developers into our market ? How much
more difficult are we making  it to sell mv based solutions to end users
by obscuring the full potential of what they are buying ? How many times
have mv-invested companies resorted  to other solutions because they
didn't unow that their existing systems had the capabilities  to deliver
what they needed  all along?

  It is in all our interests - users, vars, consultants - to raise and
keep fresh the profile of this technology. That begins by making sure
people out there can understand what it can achieve for them.

I remember an speech years ago by a mv vendor proudly saying that 80% of
his business was repeat business. He saw that as customer care. I saw it
as lack of outreach. Who was right?

Brian



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From: "Ken Wallis"<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: 11/11/06 23:42:25
To: "u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org"
Subject: RE: [U2] Access to IBM knowledgebase for in-house
developers

Chuck Stevenson wrote:

> Interestingly, guys like me don't care, because vars like Strategy
> Seven are nice to us.  It would be end users with curmudgeonly
vars
> that would need a user group to make this end run.   I still think
> someone who cares should submit a U2UG enhancement request and
others
> should second it. Otherwise IBM only hears about you through the
very
> var who is blocking you.

And the odd thing is that it is VARs like S7 who make money from
their
generic skills in the database platforms rather than from working in
specific vertical markets with their applications.  You would have
thought
S7 were the sort of VAR who might consider themselves in danger of
losing
revenue by working to get this information out.

Clearly, however, they must realise that access to information helps
users
understand what is possible and want to make use of the technology.

Cheers,

Ken
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RE: [U2] Access to IBM knowledgebase for in-house developers

[Debster]

I don't know how 'aggressive' strategy 7 needed to be in oder to secure
access to the knowledge base..

I took one phone call to them after I was booted from IBM because S7 held
the license, and I was on in no time flat

If a VAR is going to make excuses and deny access, its time to review when
the contract renewal date is

It's not the Knowledge Base that pisses me off -- it the hoops between
Developer Works AND Knowledge Base.  There should be a smooth flow between
the two, 1 access to both or tiered based on rights.  Also the fact that IBM
can't get the website from losing your login, and forcing re-entry of login
info is annoying.  Forget it if you hold licenses for multiple systems --
that REALLY confuses them(especially if one was direct)

Opening access reduces support calls, and I don't know any support staff
that truly welcomes being inundated with calls when you can RTFM or review
online references to get an answer.  Except if the VAR wants to boost call
response numbers by barring access, then it's a bogus water mark.


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Charles
Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 1:28 AM
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Subject: RE: [U2] Access to IBM knowledgebase for in-house developers


I don't see why anyone, IBM or var, needs to guard that door.  Just open
it up to the general public.

I don't think there is anything --- or very little --- in that
knowledgebase that needs to be so carefully guarded that only people
with the secret handshake get to see it.  Let anyone who wants to see
it, see it.  It's not as if IBM is going to be inundated by hits due to
teenagers posting links on MySpace.

Actually, there is one reason to keep people out: Knowledge is Power.
Apparently some vars want to keep their users dependent on them.  Bruce,
you list some reasons vars might have.  Apparently some of those are
legitimate enough that they have persuaded IBM to keep the secrets.  But
if enough users who vehemently disagree and want access, IBM has to
rethink who they want to please.  A user group is precisely where that
rabble should rouse.

I often hear complaints that one can't find knowledgeable practitioners
of U2.  That is a reason to avoid or abandon the platform.

Interestingly, guys like me don't care, because vars like Strategy Seven
are nice to us.  It would be end users with curmudgeonly vars that would
need a user group to make this end run.   I still thnk someone who cares
should submit a U2UG enhancement request and others should second it.
Otherwise IBM only hears about you through the very var who is blocking
you.

cds


> From:  Bruce Nichol
>
> Stevenson, Charles wrote:
> > First, my own var, Strategy Seven, was aggressive in  getting me
access
> > to the knowledgebase.
> >
> I think that says it all.
>
> Surely, it's up to each VAR to determine if any and/or all of
> their users should or should not have access to the
> knowledgebase, for whatever reason, be it revenue stream, be
> it implementation quirks, code, whatever
>
> Can IBM maintain a register of end-user within VAR to permit access?

> T'wouldn't be too difficult, Ida thought.
>
> This isn't really a function of a user group, is it? It's
> solely an
> individual user/VAR/IBM function, and I firmly believe the
> VAR has some
> rights to preclude access if the VAR deems it prudent.
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Bruce Nichol
> Talon Computer Services
> ALBURYNSW 2640
> Australia
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RE: [U2] [UV] - defunct processes

[Debster]

Hey John!!

I have found

Bad disconnect on telnet sessions (especially those dreaded closing X )

Branching out to NFS shares

AIX it was coupled with Samba (users file not properly maintained)

Check emulator settings

Issues with phantom processes

Check cross-platform processing terminations



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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of John Rodgers
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2006 8:37 AM
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Subject: [U2] [UV] - defunct processes


UniVerse 9.6.1.6 on HP-UX



We have a mystery on our development box which causes it to crash (about
weekly).



$ ps -ef

Shows a lot (and I mean, A LOT) of lines like these:



root 18105 20014  1 18:57:34 ? 0:00 


root 21633 20014  0 20:25:35 ? 0:00 


root 18553 20014  0 19:05:34 ? 0:00 




root 20014 1  0  Nov  6  ? 0:53 bin/usd /usr/opt/uv/spool/uv




the "20014" seems to be the parent.



This does not happen on our production platform which is curious because
it should be a pretty close replication of our production environment.



We think these are hangovers from print jobs initiated by the scheduler
?

but that is as close as anyone has come to identifying the culprit.



This seems to be a weekly phenomenon and we are investigating the
scheduler contents.



Does anyone have any ideas where these might come from ?





Cheers







JR
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RE: [U2] Trigger behavior

[Debster]

I know what you mean..

Even after contacting the VAR this was not resolved.  Since it involves
multiple systems I'm really wondering what the source of the issue is.
Which side has the problem?  Is it something related to a buffer size
setting on either side? Is it a quirk with the combination of ODBC & a
trigger?

Who else have used triggers effecting a DIR file?



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Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 2:21 PM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
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i'm trying to sucker (I mean ask politely) a couple of individuals
into trying it here, just for curiousity sake.

On 10/12/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> no problem -- I'm just frustrated
>
> It's a chicken or the egg thing
>
>
>
> --
> Debster
>
> -- Original message --
> From: "john reid" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > Sorry for the misunderstand about the hash file, and dir.
> > j
> >
> > On 10/11/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > The trigger is not ON a directory  it is on a hash file where the
trigger is
> > also supposed to update a DIR file. Triggers cannot be on a directory in
> > Unidata, but you are supposed to be able to effect a DIR type
> > >
> > > Considering that the problem only exists when coming in from the
outside I
> > suspect it has to do with
> > >
> > > Tuxedo from the other side
> > >
> > > Permissions? (but all other rights are fine on all Unidata files)
> > >
> > > ODBC  can it be a buffer setting or something else? This is the first
DIR
> > type that the outside has access to so..
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > It DOES work successfully provided the person is not coming in from
the
> > outside. Hence my questioning buffers, effects of ODBC connections
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Debster
> > >
> > > -- Original message --
> > > From: "john reid"
> > >
> > > > Do you have triggers on other directories?
> > > > I get the following when attempting to create a trigger on a
> > > > directory, in Universe:
> > > > CREATE TRIGGER TESTJ AFTER INSERT OR UPDATE OR DELETE ON JMRBP FOR
EACH ROW
> > CALL
> > > > ING '*MAIN.TRIGGER';
> > > > UniVerse/SQL: Invalid file type specified.
> > > > Warning: SICA information could not be read properly!!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 10/10/06, Debster wrote:
> > > > > Here is the scenario
> > > > >
> > > > > Remote non-pick box runs an ODBC process coming through Tuxedo
> > > > >
> > > > > Unidata 6.0/IAIX 5.x is running on the Pick box
> > > > >
> > > > > A file that contains a trigger is updated -- the trigger updates
not only
> > > > > hashed files but also attempts to update a DIR type file.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The DIR file cannot be opened or read from the remote non-pick
system, the
> > > > > Hash files have no problem. Return code is 1
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > The DIR file Can be opened, read and written to from the pick side
> > > > >
> > > > > There are three flat files contained in this directory
> > > > >
> > > > > What type of OPEN/READ should be performed?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > By using the ODBC process are the remote users relagated to hash
files?
> > > > > (i.e. perform as PICK type)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Is it just permissions?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ~ Debbie
> > > > > 
> > > > > "Anyone can hold the helm when the sea is calm"
> > > > >
> > > > > -Syrus Publilius
> > > > >
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[U2] Trigger behavior

[Debster]

Here is the scenario

Remote non-pick box runs an ODBC process coming through Tuxedo

Unidata 6.0/IAIX 5.x  is running on the Pick box

A file that contains a trigger is updated -- the trigger updates not only
hashed files but also attempts to update a DIR type file.


The DIR file cannot be opened or read from the remote non-pick system, the
Hash files have no problem.  Return code is 1


The DIR file Can be opened, read and written to from the pick side

There are three flat files contained in this directory

What type of OPEN/READ should be performed?


By using the ODBC process are the remote users relagated to hash files?
(i.e. perform as PICK type)


Is it just permissions?



 ~ Debbie

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RE: [U2] RE: [U2C] FW: Opening

[Debster]

Well...

ok..."dumped" in the sense that the project in ADP's hands was so mismanaged
that was how it was viewed..albeit incorrectly



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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Baakkonen,
Rodney A (Rod) 46K
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I am not sure if I agree with the term 'dumped'. The former owners bought
the company back and it flourished again in my opinion. But as former
employee, you can take that for what it is worth.

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Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 10:38 PM
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Subject: RE: [U2] RE: [U2C] FW: Opening


I'm just wondering how many vendors have purchased M2k to resell it...Once
upon a time ADP had purchased it, then dumped it







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Is it In Like Flynn or In Like Flint?

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To: "Eric Armstrong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "U2Users" ; "U2Community"
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Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 2:05 PM
Subject: [U2] RE: [U2C] FW: Opening


> Hi Eric
>
> Andy is just a friend that I sent this email on behalf of, and isn't
> actually a member of this group.
>
> By M2K he meant Manage-2000 which is now owned by Epicor.  This product
has
> been around since 1978, and at last count had something like 700 menus.
> Never bothered counting the number of programs but it's probably around 10
> to 12 thousand programs/subroutines.
>
> http://www.epicor.com/www/products/manufacturing/manage2k/
>
> And on the other subject of 'good programming skills' if anyone here has
> ever seen one of Andy's programs they would know what he meant.  He almost
> redesigns the language with his custom functions, so if you don't have a
> good handle on Unidata you might be lost for a month or so.
>
> I imagine that if you had 5 to 7 years of Unidata programming you'd be in
> like Flynn.  M2k has a huge number of Utilities but they are fairly easy
to
> learn, so the familiarity with Unidata would be more important, imho...
>
> hth,
> Allen
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Eric Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 09:19
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: FW: [U2C] FW: Opening
>
>
> Andrew,
> What did you mean by M2K? Did you mean W2K?
>
> Eric Armstrong
> Programmer/Analyst
> Lobel Financial
> 714.816.1207
> 714.995.7012 fax
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Allen E. Elwood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 11:01 AM
> To: U2Users; U2Community
> Subject: [U2C] FW: Opening
>
>
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf
> Of Andrew McLaughlin
> Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 13:18
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [ManageUG2K] Opening
>
>
> Howdy all,
>
> First of all, a quick note to let everyone know, I've decided to
> resign from Shurflo and get back in to full time Java development.
> Woohoo! :) My last day here is 8/11.
>
> Now, my position will be open and we're interested in interviewing a
> suitable replacement. Anyone with M2K experience and good programming
> skills is a candidate. The office is located in beautiful Cypress, CA
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>
> If you or someone else you know is interested, please send resume or
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> Thanks,
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RE: [U2] RE: [U2C] FW: Opening

[Debster]

I'm just wondering how many vendors have purchased M2k to resell it...Once
upon a time ADP had purchased it, then dumped it







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Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 7:11 PM
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Is it In Like Flynn or In Like Flint?

- Original Message -
From: "Allen E. Elwood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Eric Armstrong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "U2Users" ; "U2Community"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 2:05 PM
Subject: [U2] RE: [U2C] FW: Opening


> Hi Eric
>
> Andy is just a friend that I sent this email on behalf of, and isn't
> actually a member of this group.
>
> By M2K he meant Manage-2000 which is now owned by Epicor.  This product
has
> been around since 1978, and at last count had something like 700 menus.
> Never bothered counting the number of programs but it's probably around 10
> to 12 thousand programs/subroutines.
>
> http://www.epicor.com/www/products/manufacturing/manage2k/
>
> And on the other subject of 'good programming skills' if anyone here has
> ever seen one of Andy's programs they would know what he meant.  He almost
> redesigns the language with his custom functions, so if you don't have a
> good handle on Unidata you might be lost for a month or so.
>
> I imagine that if you had 5 to 7 years of Unidata programming you'd be in
> like Flynn.  M2k has a huge number of Utilities but they are fairly easy
to
> learn, so the familiarity with Unidata would be more important, imho...
>
> hth,
> Allen
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Eric Armstrong [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2006 09:19
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: FW: [U2C] FW: Opening
>
>
> Andrew,
> What did you mean by M2K? Did you mean W2K?
>
> Eric Armstrong
> Programmer/Analyst
> Lobel Financial
> 714.816.1207
> 714.995.7012 fax
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Allen E. Elwood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 11:01 AM
> To: U2Users; U2Community
> Subject: [U2C] FW: Opening
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Behalf
> Of Andrew McLaughlin
> Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 13:18
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [ManageUG2K] Opening
>
>
> Howdy all,
>
> First of all, a quick note to let everyone know, I've decided to
> resign from Shurflo and get back in to full time Java development.
> Woohoo! :) My last day here is 8/11.
>
> Now, my position will be open and we're interested in interviewing a
> suitable replacement. Anyone with M2K experience and good programming
> skills is a candidate. The office is located in beautiful Cypress, CA
> (Orange County).
>
> If you or someone else you know is interested, please send resume or
> CV directly to:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Thanks,
> Andrew
>
>
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[U2] uvbackup

[Debster]

Anyone want to tell me why I would be getting this when backing up to a path
rather than disk?


End of reel 1 on device stdout detected!
WARNING: Terminating this process will leave the backup flags
associated with each record in an incomplete state.  The only
two methods for restoring the backup flag states are to fully
restore the file OR complete a full backup using this process.

 ~ Debbie

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-Syrus Publilius

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RE: [U2] Multi-value harmful? To whom?

[Debster]

 ...orwould the "with" items be thrown in as sub-values instead?

swimming with sharks,radio controlled boating,glee following a huge dive
from the spreader,humpback whales,dolphins in BVI, no clothes, embarrassment
after not listening when someone yelled jibe-ho!


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Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 5:12 PM
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True, Swimming and radio controlled aircraft just seem
  like too different a hobby to do at the same time

Now...Swimming and radio controlled Boatingdifferent story

(using And in the Boolean sense)

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Debster
> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 4:04 PM
> To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
> Subject: RE: [U2] Multi-value harmful? To whom?
>
>
> BTW..
>
> I'm glad you didn't list your hobbies as
>
> Robbery,Rape,Murder
>
> and er...you would not have the "and" as you listed
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of will
> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 3:43 PM
> To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
> Subject: [U2] Multi-value harmful? To whom?
>
>
>Real  life  information  consists of multi-value
> attributes, as in the
>example  given,  one  person  has  many hobbies.  Our
> English language
>accommodates  multi-values  with  a  comma  as  a
> delimiter.  Thus, my
>hobbies  are  volleyball,  gardening,  swimming,  and
> radio-controlled
>aircraft.   Note the commas.  Was this harmful to anyone's
> brain.  Did
>anyone  misunderstand?   If  digital  technology is to
> advance it must
>accommodate  the  real-word  and  reflect  rather  than
> obfuscate that
>reality...  It  seems  that only Multi-Value database
> systems do that.
>So why are they considered "Legacy" database systems?
>Patrick J. Williams, President
>American Computer Technics, Inc.
>www.actLinux.com
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RE: [U2] Multi-value harmful? To whom?

[Debster]

BTW..

I'm glad you didn't list your hobbies as

Robbery,Rape,Murder

and er...you would not have the "and" as you listed

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Subject: [U2] Multi-value harmful? To whom?


   Real  life  information  consists of multi-value attributes, as in the
   example  given,  one  person  has  many hobbies.  Our English language
   accommodates  multi-values  with  a  comma  as  a delimiter.  Thus, my
   hobbies  are  volleyball,  gardening,  swimming,  and radio-controlled
   aircraft.   Note the commas.  Was this harmful to anyone's brain.  Did
   anyone  misunderstand?   If  digital  technology is to advance it must
   accommodate  the  real-word  and  reflect  rather  than obfuscate that
   reality...  It  seems  that only Multi-Value database systems do that.
   So why are they considered "Legacy" database systems?
   Patrick J. Williams, President
   American Computer Technics, Inc.
   www.actLinux.com
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RE: [U2] Multi-value harmful? To whom?

[Debster]

maybe.

older and wiser?


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Subject: [U2] Multi-value harmful? To whom?


   Real  life  information  consists of multi-value attributes, as in the
   example  given,  one  person  has  many hobbies.  Our English language
   accommodates  multi-values  with  a  comma  as  a delimiter.  Thus, my
   hobbies  are  volleyball,  gardening,  swimming,  and radio-controlled
   aircraft.   Note the commas.  Was this harmful to anyone's brain.  Did
   anyone  misunderstand?   If  digital  technology is to advance it must
   accommodate  the  real-word  and  reflect  rather  than obfuscate that
   reality...  It  seems  that only Multi-Value database systems do that.
   So why are they considered "Legacy" database systems?
   Patrick J. Williams, President
   American Computer Technics, Inc.
   www.actLinux.com
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RE: [U2] Fw: [UV] Problem starting the UniRPC Daemon

[Debster]

Double check what services are brought up following a restart of the system

 
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 It's a mysteryI've seen it blown away myself...

Do a shutdown/restart lately?



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Subject: [U2] Fw: [UV] Problem starting the UniRPC Daemon


Scrap what I just said.

The /unirpc/unirpcservices file didn't exist.  All we had in 
the /unirpc directory were two files:

unirpcd
version

I have copied unirpcservices across from another server (with identical 
install pathnames) and have now successfully started the daemon.

Apologies :-<

Not sure why the file wasn't created during the install though?

Regards,

Rob Wills
(rob dot wills at tigerinfotech dot com)

Rob Wills wrote on 30/06/2006 13:22:41:

> We have just installed UniVerse 10.1.18 on Solaris.
> 
> When we tried to start the UniRPC daemon using the instructions from
> chapter 19 of the admin guide:
> 
> Starting the UniRPC Daemon
> Complete the following steps to start the UniRPC daemon:
> 1. Choose Rpc administration from the Package menu, then choose Start 
the
> rpc daemon.
> 2. At the prompt, do one of the following to handle any error messages:
> .. Enter the name of the file to send all error and system messages to.
> .. Enter a space to display messages on your screen.
> .. Press ENTER if you do not want to display or save messages.
> 3. At the next prompt, click Yes to start the UniRPC daemon or No 
toreturn to
> the Rpc administration menu.
> Note: The file that receives all error and system messages can grow 
> unchecked unless
> you monitor it periodically.
> Once you start the UniRPC daemon, it automatically restarts whenever you 
boot
> UniVerse.
> 
> we get the following error message:
> 
> Either the /.unishared file does not exist or is corrupt,
> or the /unirpc/unirpcservices file does not exist,
> or the uvrpc entry in /etc/services does not exist.
> The RPC daemon is not being started.
> 
> Unfortunately the /.unishared file does exist and has the path in it
> that I would expect, the /unirpc/unirpcservices file 
> exists and the uvrpc entry within /etc/services exists.
> 
> Any ideas?  I hope it's something simple but I couldn't find this 
> error in the history that I have for the forum.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Rob Wills
> (rob dot wills at tigerinfotech dot com)
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RE: [U2][UV]How to start properly uv from cron ?

[Debster]

Memory  issues...

I think I remember... ;-) (when it happens at 3:00AM who can?)

I had the same problem before...what finally straightened it out was...

Bringing it down

Going beyond and making sure other open processes were killed as
well...(sometimes ya gotta use -9) especially in the case of dead telnet
sessions that refuse to release (confused samba sessions a real putz)
Double checking for Phantoms ; SPOOLER...(now that's a sweet one that
drains)

Bringing it up gracefully in cron


If you want to see what might possibly be causing the issue list all active
processes in between each step so you know what you are dealing with


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Subject: RE: [U2][UV]How to start properly uv from cron ?


   If you mean a process then

/u1/uv/bin/uv  processname

   Footnote:  A word for thought.  We were running a substantial
application
  process in UV, started by a cron. It was running quite
nicely for
  the longest period. Then all of sudden, it would
consistently bomb
  out with available memory issues. When run manually,
it would not
  once fail. I contacted HP, who told me that cron
carries with it
  a great deal of 'baggage' with it, and with all the
processes that
  we run, it might be blowing out your memory. So, we
switched it to
  our application based process manager and it never
failed.
  Morale of the story, (at least for us), it seems
should you hang
  too many application tasks from the cron, you may face
issues.

Barry  Rogen
PNY Technologies, Inc.
Senior  Programmer/Analyst
(973)  515 - 9700  ext 5327
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

-
Far better it is to dare mighty things, to win
glorious triumphs even though checkered by
failure, than to rank with those poor spirits who
neither enjoy nor suffer much because they live
in the gray twilight that knows neither victory
nor defeat.t. roosevelt




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Subject: [U2][UV]How to start properly uv from cron ?

Hello,

Is there someone with suggestions to do this ?

Thanks for any comment.

Manu
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[U2] Missing Voc Entries - How to

[Debster]

 Ok

This is what I am doing

Moving data files from a UNIX box to the Windows box via a uvbackup &
uvrestore

Backup file is created (will contain multiple files) and then FTP'd and
restored on the Windows box (Don't go down the NFSshare path cuz I've been
there and won't fly - talk about making things harder)

On the windows side the uvrestore command is not located in the VOC although
it is in Ibm\bin

Du

I know that an account voc is created when it is configured and entries are
made depending on the flavor selected

I know there is a way to copy in missing vocs or to create "your own flavor"
kinda like blend-in ice cream ;-)  I forgot how to do this (a senior moment)

(Multi-level file based on flavor)

I know there is a command that will list any verbs located in NEWACC that do
not exist in the account...(senior moment number 2)

Sohow do I get the stinkin' verb where I want it?

OK so I'm blonde too...



 ~ Debbie

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RE: [U2] Fw: [UV] Problem starting the UniRPC Daemon

[Debster]

 It's a mysteryI've seen it blown away myself...

Do a shutdown/restart lately?



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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 30, 2006 8:59 AM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: [U2] Fw: [UV] Problem starting the UniRPC Daemon


Scrap what I just said.

The /unirpc/unirpcservices file didn't exist.  All we had in 
the /unirpc directory were two files:

unirpcd
version

I have copied unirpcservices across from another server (with identical 
install pathnames) and have now successfully started the daemon.

Apologies :-<

Not sure why the file wasn't created during the install though?

Regards,

Rob Wills
(rob dot wills at tigerinfotech dot com)

Rob Wills wrote on 30/06/2006 13:22:41:

> We have just installed UniVerse 10.1.18 on Solaris.
> 
> When we tried to start the UniRPC daemon using the instructions from
> chapter 19 of the admin guide:
> 
> Starting the UniRPC Daemon
> Complete the following steps to start the UniRPC daemon:
> 1. Choose Rpc administration from the Package menu, then choose Start 
the
> rpc daemon.
> 2. At the prompt, do one of the following to handle any error messages:
> .. Enter the name of the file to send all error and system messages to.
> .. Enter a space to display messages on your screen.
> .. Press ENTER if you do not want to display or save messages.
> 3. At the next prompt, click Yes to start the UniRPC daemon or No 
toreturn to
> the Rpc administration menu.
> Note: The file that receives all error and system messages can grow 
> unchecked unless
> you monitor it periodically.
> Once you start the UniRPC daemon, it automatically restarts whenever you 
boot
> UniVerse.
> 
> we get the following error message:
> 
> Either the /.unishared file does not exist or is corrupt,
> or the /unirpc/unirpcservices file does not exist,
> or the uvrpc entry in /etc/services does not exist.
> The RPC daemon is not being started.
> 
> Unfortunately the /.unishared file does exist and has the path in it
> that I would expect, the /unirpc/unirpcservices file 
> exists and the uvrpc entry within /etc/services exists.
> 
> Any ideas?  I hope it's something simple but I couldn't find this 
> error in the history that I have for the forum.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Rob Wills
> (rob dot wills at tigerinfotech dot com)
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RE: [U2] A Generous Offer

[Debster]

If you're goin' with the float this week down the Delawareits running
pretty fast

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I learned how to float in boot camp.

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If I'm in town, I will attend the meeting. Not sure, I might taking
a floating class that week.

George

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> Burwell, Edward
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>
>
> I'm interested in the NJ meeting.
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RE: [U2] Barcode PCL Commands

[Debster]

I definitely used soft fonts since it was totally impossible to purchase
special font cartridges for all printers required



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Ray Buchner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 28 Jun 2006 12:03:42 -0400

> Does anyone have, or can you direct me to, a PCL command
> reference to print barcodes?  I need to print them on an
> HP laser.

While normally one needs a special font cartridge for this, I posted an
article (with code) on u2ug.org two years ago that allows you to create
3-of-9 barcodes using PCL line-draw commands.  Here's a link:

http://www.u2ug.org/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=9

You can also go to u2ug.org and search the site for "barcode" to find it.

3-of-9 barcodes handle only capital letters, digits, the six symbols $%+-/.
and a blank.  An asterisk is used for the start and end bars.  The code got
its name because three of the nine bars (five black, four white) are three
times as wide as the others.

Feel free to contact me directly if you want additional information.

--Tom Pellitieri
  Toledo, Ohio
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RE: [U2] Barcode PCL Commands

[Debster]

Once upon a time I was able to pull them off the HP site.  They were not
easy to find though via their search function.  It also may have been that I
was able to find them via google where it directed me to a page on their
site that there is no longer direct access.

Try searches via the web for HP PCL codes on multiple search engines,
Dogpile etc, TuCows, Microsoft etc...

They are out there.  Also plug in the type of Bar Code PCL you are searching
for (128 etc)


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Subject: [U2] Barcode PCL Commands


Does anyone have, or can you direct me to, a PCL command reference to
print barcodes?  I need to print them on an HP laser.
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RE: [U2] Re-Comile I-Descriptors ?

[Debster]

COMPILE-DICT

It doesn't hurt


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Subject: RE: [U2] Re-Comile I-Descriptors ?


Several (working) legacy paragraph scripts yield errors on our new UniVerse
server.

The errors resemble... Conversion "MD1" is incompatible with an INTEGER
datatype.

Do I need to re-compile I-Descriptors ?

The legacy UniVerse is v 8.3.3; the new UV is v10.  Both machines are HP-Ux.

Suggestions would be appreciated.

-Bill
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[U2] Unidebugger

[Debster]

I am trying utilize UniDebugger with Universe 10.1.xxx and am only getting
the Splash Page.  This product also seems to be pretty much devoid of
documentation with the exception of Help which I cannot get to via the
application itself.  A lower level Wintegrate version is loaded on the same
machine that I know it will not work in conjunction with, so the Dynamic
Connect that was shipped with the add-on apps was loaded as well since
apparently UniDebugger needs one of those apps to function.

The readme simply instructs you to access the Setup once you are in the
application.


Sure thing...if only I could get there!

Any suggestions?


 ~ Debbie

"Anyone can hold the helm when the sea is calm".

-Syrus Publilius

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RE: [U2] [UV] unirpc daemon, stopping and re-starting it from cron

[Debster]

Hmmm...I just realized...

Had the same type of issue with UV 9.6 on AIX 5.2 so we had a similar kill
process, often telnet connections would not release especially if the user
had shelled out to perform a process (most notably to go to SMIT), along
with samba sessions...the spooler would also be stopped.

Then uv.rc would be executed to restart universe, and the spooler restarted

If the shutdown was performed out-of-sync it would at times result in a
memory segment error and the shutdown and system up process would have to be
executed over.  (this was fun cross-eyed at 3AM)

If you aren't doing so already, I would suggest capturing all cron errors to
a log file you can easily review


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Subject: RE: [U2] [UV] unirpc daemon, stopping and re-starting it from
cron


We've had similar issues and found that it isn't a UniVerse issue. It
was processes using UniRPC connections (InterCall, UniObjects,
UniCall/OBDC, etc.) still being active during the shutdown. These
processes keep their socket connections open. This can prevent UniRPC
from starting back up.

The problem sounds like that you may have a process(es) using UniRPC
when you shutdown UniVerse. If this is the case, under Sun Solaris and
UV 9.1.4 we would see processes still using UniRPC go into "FIN_WAIT_2"
state for their still open TCP socket connection. If that was the case,
we could guarantee that the UVRPC daemon (has it was called before UV
9.5.x) wouldn't start back up. Once those TCP connections cleared (went
"away"), it was okay to start back up...sometimes it took awhile to
clear though.

Check what connections you have active, by issusing a:
$ netstat -a | grep uvrpc
  *.uvrpc  *.*0  0 49152  0
LISTEN

If nothing is connected, you're safe to shutdown (like the above
example). If you got processed connect - it may be bad. Strangely, under
UV 10.1.12 and Solaris 9, we can now happily stop UV and start it up
again...UniRPC *seems* to come backup -- even if processes are connected
with open sockets. Could be wrong or just plain lucky, of course.

We deal with this situation by adding to the uv.rc script, our own
"uv_kill_processes" script which looks for UV processes and the shared
memory segments. It loops until all are UV processes are killed (up to 4
attempts). This also deals with the UV shutdown process "aborting" if
shared memory segments aren't released.

Hopefully, this should help you out in some way.

Regards,
David




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Subject: [U2] [UV] unirpc daemon, stopping and re-starting it from cron

Hello,

We have a cron job which does the following:

1- Uses Universe's  uv.rc script to stop Universe and unirpc daemon
2- Make a backup of the Production account into a different filesystem
on the production machine.
3- Restart Universe & unirps using the uv.rc script
4- Start the backup to tape of the copy of the production environment.

When Universe is re-started along with the unirpc daemon within the cron
job, Universe works but the unirpc daemon doesn't work correctly.  It
must be stopped manually from the uv menu and re-started.  Has anyone
here encountered a similar problem ?

I've tried to get support help from IBM but I get the run-around.  I'm
told that IBM won't debug my companies script even though I've
repeatedly told them that the script we are using the uv.rc script that
was written by IBM.

We are running Universe 10.1.8 on a HP.UX 11i machine.
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RE: [U2] [UV] unirpc daemon, stopping and re-starting it from cron

[Debster]

Now...

Wouldn't the uv.rc default to the setting within UV.CONFIG?  

I don't recall having to reset it

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cron


> As above, LANG=C (or similar) must be set for rpcd
> to work correctly. other
> uv services work fine with LANG set to anything, rpc
> needs it tho ...

How can I check for the setting of LANG both on my
current Universe setup and what its value is within
the cron job ?


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RE: [U2] [UV] unirpc daemon, stopping and re-starting it from cron

[Debster]

I was doing a similar routine


1. Check the documentaton for any missing files 
2. Doublecheck uv.rc to make sure nothing is commented out
3. In uv.admin doublecheck the entries in the host file
4. Check if you are using the -stop option

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Subject: [U2] [UV] unirpc daemon, stopping and re-starting it from cron


Hello,

We have a cron job which does the following:

1- Uses Universe's  uv.rc script to stop Universe and
unirpc daemon
2- Make a backup of the Production account into a
different filesystem on the production machine.
3- Restart Universe & unirps using the uv.rc script
4- Start the backup to tape of the copy of the
production environment.

When Universe is re-started along with the unirpc
daemon within the cron job, Universe works but the
unirpc daemon doesn't work correctly.  It must be
stopped manually from the uv menu and re-started.  Has
anyone here encountered a similar problem ?

I've tried to get support help from IBM but I get the
run-around.  I'm told that IBM won't debug my
companies script even though I've repeatedly told them
that the script we are using the uv.rc script that was
written by IBM.

We are running Universe 10.1.8 on a HP.UX 11i machine.








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RE: [U2] [UV] FAST Running while system in use

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And I should clarify that the biggest part of my nightmare was having
someone do a RESIZE CONCURRENT on one of the largest major most utilized
files during business hours...

uhhh



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Hi Debster,

Thanks for your suggestions.  We are very happy with FAST and given we have
well over twenty thousand files to maintain over 9 servers, FAST is
definitely the way to go.  Sure I could write my own but I am not in the
tools business and FAST does an excellent job.

The files were not being resized at the time and the point about gathering
stats on files that being updated is valid. However, we resize all files on
a six weekly cycle and the small change that is made during the stats
collection period would not be significant. But if the file is being locked
during stats collection that would be a major issue and would have resulted
in the failure experience.

Again many thanks for your input,

Stewart

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Sent: Saturday, 22 April 2006 13:12
To: Mitchell, Stewart
Subject: RE: [U2] [UV] FAST Running while system in use


A resize function will lock a file

And why collect stats when a file is active?

I had looked at FAST but given the recent nightmare I have just lived
through I am not so sure I would want to just allow an application to run
and act on the results.

Besides it's really easy enough to write a program to select a rotating set
of files you like to monitor, have it run HASH-HELP and capture the data to
a file.  This allows you the ability to inspect the results.  On more than
one occasion lately I have run across HASH-HELP results returning an
incorrect file type. (I also think I was a victim of Mark's Berkley
Bug...except the sep was 8 not 4)

Another option is to run a complete set of file stats weekly selecting your
top files in need of resizing from the results within STAT-FILE and
performing the calculation yourself within a program

How many others remember having to hand calculate these with a set of file
stats in front of you?

Seems to be of the same era as remembering the sequence of keys to hit to
open an unresponsive tape drive on a mentor system

Or using the trick of blowing the tape leader into place when using the 12
inch tapes...

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Subject: [U2] [UV] FAST Running while system in use


Hi All,

We currently use FAST for the resizing of files and part of the process is
collecting file stats for the purpose of calculating new file sizes,
separation etc.

I was wondering if running the stats collection process can be run whilst
the system is being used (files being updated etc) without causing any
issues?

I had a strange issue today when one of our program files could not be
opened and this caused a background process (phantom) to crash. On
inspection I could open the file there were no permission problems. I
restarted the phantom all worked just fine.  However, I noticed that our
Database Admins where running one of the FAST processes and thus my question
above.

All replies gratefully accepted.

Kind Regards,

Stewart Mitchell
Manager, Business Systems
Symbion Pharmacy IT
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[U2] What to do with a HUGE file

[Debster]

Even using 64 bit...when would you make a hashed file something other...

and what?

Also any 'real' effect of commonly used files on another volume vs only
placing relatively stagnant files on another volume...

 ~ Debbie

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[U2] uvbackup vs cpio

[Debster]

This is on AIX 5.2 Universe 10.1

I am trying to change our current backup from a straight unix i-node backup
to uvbackup

Currently there is also a 4x compression rate on the cpio style backup

The reason for the change is that they have unsuccessful in restoring items
and I would prefer the added perk with the uvbackup of receiving reporting
on file errors.

I had been testing the tape backup thru the GUI uvadmin and other than
backing up items within a file all tests have been unsuccessful.  Even
several attempts at saving to tape that appeared successful failed since I
was unable to restore the items.  I received an error stating that it was
unable to read the tape immediately after the rewind at placement at load
point...

I was also wondering if the option was still available to perform a save and
utilize the file stats to resize the file via the restore based on what was
gathered.

The goal is to perform a full backup, but I would have the crontab kick off
different saves based on the day of the week utilizing a different passed
file list to trim down those items saved during the course of the work week
and only saving the misc files on the weekend.  This eliminates the need to
load multiple incremental tapes in case of the need for a restore since the
system is physically located at a data operations center no where near the
corp location.

Cracking open the documentation I have tried multiple variations on a Unix
command line save to no avail.  I have even gotten it to start, but
somewhere it falters and stalls.Could it be the tape drive and its
setup?  In performing the tape test I receive no error.

I can't even list all the variations that I have tried to make this work --
but they were directly from the documentation and in the order they were
listed.

Socan anyone tell me the definitive unix command line for a uvbackup
utilizing a file list?


 ~ Debbie

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RE: [U2] Universe: Version and serial number

[Debster]

.and

since Universe & AIX are completely different animals as far as
license/serial number

For the AIX portion I found License/serial in SMIT


CONFIG.ALL & .L RELLEVEL


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Subject: RE: [U2] Universe: Version and serial number



How do I get version and serial number from a UniVerse AIX installation?  I
am drawing a blank here.


At the TCL prompt, enter CONFIG... that will give you the serial number.

Then do a ".L RELLEVEL" at the TCL. This will give you version/release
number as well as flavor information.
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RE: [U2] Access IBM Knowledge base/Blink Error

[Debster]

Yeah but yesterday I was seeking information on an "Blink error" with the
ominous "internal data error" clause added in both the U2 and AIX areas and
was unable to find anything.  Anyone have a clue as to what this might be?

 ~ Debbie

"Anyone can hold the helm when the sea is calm"

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I have a case in point at the moment - trying to access an article to
remind myself on how to use "fnuxi" on ALL files in a directory  the
information is there, but ...

(reminders gratefully accepted :)

Ross Ferris
Stamina Software
Visage > Better by Design!

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>Subject: [U2] Access IBM Knowledge base
>
>All,
>
>I remember we had a discussion on the accessibility to the IBM
knowledge
>base several weeks ago. Yesterday, I received my IBM user ID from our
>vendor (tech support), which allows me to view the locked articles in
>IBM KB. I believe this user list has very positive impact on this move
>made by IBM. IBM KB should be opened to everybody, I think.
>
>I would like to thank the people for their hard working in order to
>maintain this user mail list. The list is a wonderful place for us to
>share our knowledge. Meanwhile, it provides a communication channel so
>that IBM could hear our voices. I have learnt a lot from the others via
>the list.
>
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[Debster]

Sosomeone have an idea of how some files contained on the account have
eluded entry into this file?

If an account save is performed would those files be excluded from the save?

This is on Universe 9.6.2.1 Unix 5.2

I have a massive files move upcoming and was considering utilizing an
account save prior as a safeguard but I want to be assured that I capture
all account files.  Currently the daily file saves are purely unix driven
and there have been some issues with not being able to restore data (don't
ask me I wasn't there yet!)

I also remember being able to run a full set of Account File Stats and
utilzing the Account Save/Restore to resize the files if I found more than
70% of the files hitting GRP100.  Is this still an option?  I think the last
time I did this was on Microdata/Mentor boxes running ye old PICK at ADP or
Ultimate umpteen years ago.

Gotta Love Clean up

 ~ Debbie

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RE: [U2] Universe GUI Editor

[Debster]

I use the the FTP so my widdle brain can distinguish that I am going to the
server as opposed to using windows networking



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Subject: RE: [U2] Universe GUI Editor


Try our Free U2Editor GUI Editor which does not use ftp protocol.

Doug
www.u2logic.com

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Subject: [U2] Universe GUI Editor

Interesting weekend with the Universe GUI Editor..


Saddled with the task of doing "off hours" work this past weekend I had the
pleasure of having the Universe GUI Editor ftp'ing a null record overwriting
my changes to the server.  Of course this was in combination with my VPN
connection puking at the time.I'm not sure which was the chicken, or the
egg  I only know that one was rotten.

Of course I had skipped my usual practice of saving changes to my laptop
hard drive first before moving it only to have to make the changes over...my
only excuse is that tweaking a program at 3AM sometimes leads to you trying
shortcuts.

I won't do that again.

 ~ Debbie

"Anyone can hold the helm when the sea is calm"

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[U2] Universe GUI Editor

[Debster]

Interesting weekend with the Universe GUI Editor..


Saddled with the task of doing "off hours" work this past weekend I had the
pleasure of having the Universe GUI Editor ftp'ing a null record overwriting
my changes to the server.  Of course this was in combination with my VPN
connection puking at the time.I'm not sure which was the chicken, or the
egg  I only know that one was rotten.

Of course I had skipped my usual practice of saving changes to my laptop
hard drive first before moving it only to have to make the changes over...my
only excuse is that tweaking a program at 3AM sometimes leads to you trying
shortcuts.

I won't do that again.

 ~ Debbie

"Anyone can hold the helm when the sea is calm"

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[U2] File Resizing File Usage

[Debster]

I am in the process of massive file maintenance on a Unix box. (5.2)  Many
of the files are so far out of wack and HUGE on a CUBS system where I
performed ACCOUNT-FILE-STATS LOCAL on both sides of the house.  I also
wanted to check FILE.USAGE on several files but keep getting no data
returned regarding the files.  Just where the heck is this data stored?  Is
it derived from the STAT.FILE?  Within the documentation it clearly states
that you require permissions to the file with no indication as to what file
it refers to or where it is held.  I have tried this logged on at both the
user level as well as uvadm.  HASH-HELP-DETAIL has puked twice with
segmentation errors on one particular file.

Just what is the top limit file size for Universe (9.6) and what would be
the best practice to handle resizing these few monsters?  I had thought
divide and concur would be the best method but I was hoping for some data
direction in order to facilitate this.
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RE: [U2] How can I find the RIGHT IBM Contact?????

[Debster]

Whatever I have found out about the boxes I have on my own with the help of
SMIT & CONFIG.ALL.

I have still not received a return call from the rep who I contacted for a
follow-up...its not surprise since she was clueless as to where to turn even
after telling her to investigate it with those within U2.

My only complaint has been the inability to get a concise answer from IBM
even when given one of the boxes serial numbers.  There is no cross
reference as to the other boxes a customer may have or what licenses they
hold and the status of those licenses yet they don't seem to have a problem
when it comes time to send the invoices for maintenance contracts.  You
would think that keeping all information pertaining to a customer would
benefit marketing and sales when it is put together in a nice neat package.

It has always been frustrating when trying to deal with IBM before and
apparently still long after their U2 purchase to get someone knowledgeable
about Total customer service.  This is a prime example of vertical training
gone awry when more horizontal training would be benefical to both the
customer and those servicing them.

I'm still just wondering...in the case of a real issue...do I need to sit
dead in the water because IBM does not know what area of expertise it would
fall under?

Is that really "customer service"?

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Subject: RE: [U2] How can I find the RIGHT IBM Contact?


For us, we don't work directly with IBM.. It is all done through a VAR, (the
company the system was originally purchased from,, or the company that
bought that company etc).  You may need to find out who your VAR is. For us,
they are the ones that actually hold the UV license. We aren't authorized to
talk to IBM directly on UV.

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Subject:[U2] How can I find the RIGHT IBM Contact?

Ok

I'm really pretty much fed up...

I placed a call to IBM 3 WEEKS ago after inheriting a pile of papers shoved
into a folder loosely describing the existing systems.  I KNOW one needs an
upgrade, for both AIX & Universe BUT...are they licensed for it?  Is the
media floating around the building?  What upgrades are they eligible for?  I
KNOW maintenance was recently paid in Oct on at least one of the boxes...

What was the infinite wisdom of NOT TYING all customer related items
together???

(1 cust # for the hardware + 1 cust # for AIX + 1 cust # for Universe) x 2 =
A Mess that requires more than 2 brain cells rubbed together to figure out.

NOT ONE PERSON I CONTACTED CAN GIVE ME A CONCISE ANSWER!! Or even a smidgen
of a clue as to where to turn...a close friend who just retired told me to
call in a crash.

I called support twice, first I was routed to a clueless sales rep who never
returned a call...next support routed me to a sales rep whom I needed to
call back who got an AIX person on the phone who --- believe meit was
said...

"U2?"

To which I was forced to reply...

In all the 20 years I have in this field I have observed time and time again
that neither hardware sales, or underlying OS has a clue concerning the
entire package.  Its bad enough that rs/6000 people bicker with the As400
people and are clueless about what the other does.  Its only the U2 people
who have a clue about how the entire package goes together, the trickle down
effect.. My only frustration is  WHOM to contact within that realm...

Grrr
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RE: [Norton AntiSpam] [U2] RPC.CALL : error code 81002

[Debster]

Anyone have an answer to this one?

Is it the port # set up the same on the receiving box?



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Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] [U2] RPC.CALL : error code 81002


Dear All


Ive testing to run a program in remote server using RPC.CALL.

From the remote server ,i able to notice connection is on during
RPC.CONNECT
but once execute the RPC.CALL, the connection is break down, return error
code
error 81002 ( connection.ID does not correspond to a valid bound )

I still have no idea what causing this error as previously i able
successful
testing the connection. Juz suspect is it possible of firewall ?

Ive try on unix to unix (same UniVerse version) , unix to nt (different
UniVerse Version) but still could not rectify where goes wrong


Has anyone ever face this kind of error ?


Thanks and Regards





Grep Result from Remote Server :


Mon Jan  9 17:15:53 EST 2006
-
Mon Jan  9 17:15:53 EST 2006
-
Mon Jan  9 17:15:53 EST 2006

-RPC.CONNECT
Mon Jan  9 17:15:53 EST 2006
root 22942  4286  8 17:15:53 ?0:00 uvnet 4 3600 0
-
Mon Jan  9 17:15:53 EST 2006
root 22942  4286 15 17:15:53 ?0:00 uvnet 4 3600 0
-
Mon Jan  9 17:15:54 EST 2006
root 22942  4286  7 17:15:53 ?0:00 uvnet 4 3600 0
-
Mon Jan  9 17:15:54 EST 2006
root 22942  4286  7 17:15:53 ?0:00 uvnet 4 3600 0
-
Mon Jan  9 17:15:54 EST 2006
root 22942  4286  7 17:15:53 ?0:00 uvnet 4 3600 0
-
Mon Jan  9 17:15:54 EST 2006
root 22942  4286  7 17:15:53 ?0:00 uvnet 4 3600 0
-
Mon Jan  9 17:15:54 EST 2006
root 22942  4286  7 17:15:53 ?0:00 uvnet 4 3600 0
-
Mon Jan  9 17:15:54 EST 2006
root 22942  4286  7 17:15:53 ?0:00 uvnet 4 3600 0
-
Mon Jan  9 17:15:54 EST 2006
root 22942  4286  7 17:15:53 ?0:00 uvnet 4 3600 0
-
Mon Jan  9 17:15:54 EST 2006
root 22942  4286  7 17:15:53 ?0:00 uvnet 4 3600 0
-
Mon Jan  9 17:15:54 EST 2006
root 22942  4286  7 17:15:53 ?0:00 uvnet 4 3600 0
-
Mon Jan  9 17:15:54 EST 2006
root 22942  4286  3 17:15:53 ?0:00 uvnet 4 3600 0
-
Mon Jan  9 17:15:55 EST 2006
root 22942  4286  3 17:15:53 ?0:00 uvnet 4 3600 0
-
Mon Jan  9 17:15:55 EST 2006
root 22942  4286  3 17:15:53 ?0:00 uvnet 4 3600 0
-
Mon Jan  9 17:15:55 EST 2006
root 22942  4286  3 17:15:53 ?0:00 uvnet 4 3600 0
-
Mon Jan  9 17:15:55 EST 2006
root 22942  4286  3 17:15:53 ?0:00 uvnet 4 3600 0
-
Mon Jan  9 17:15:55 EST 2006
root 22942  4286  3 17:15:53 ?0:00 uvnet 4 3600 0
-
Mon Jan  9 17:15:55 EST 2006
root 22942  4286  3 17:15:53 ?0:00 uvnet 4 3600 0
-
Mon Jan  9 17:15:55 EST 2006
root 22942  4286  4 17:15:53 ?0:00 uvnet 4 3600 0
-
Mon Jan  9 17:15:55 EST 2006
root 22942  4286  6 17:15:53 ?0:00 uvnet 4 3600 0
-
Mon Jan  9 17:15:55 EST 2006
root 22942  4286  7 17:15:53 ?0:00 uvnet 4 3600 0
--RPC.CALL---
Mon Jan  9 17:15:56 EST 2006
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Mon Jan  9 17:15:56 EST 2006
-
Mon Jan  9 17:15:56 EST 2006
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Mon Jan  9 17:15:56 EST 2006
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RE: [U2] Fast file transfers

[Debster]

Universe also has bulk data move

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Subject: [U2] Fast file transfers


Greetings,

Anyone come up with a really clever way to move a great deal of data from
one machine to another (completely different Multivalue Platforms; jbase ->
Universe) all within the space of a weekend?

We've tried some of the telnet programs that have multivalue specific file
transfers ... take too long.  Writing something on our own now -- but
thought I'd check to see if one of you other smart guys or gals have solved
this problem.

Cheers and TIA,
Susan
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RE: [U2] Fast file transfers

[Debster]

Question is, 

What is the underlying platform? Unix?  Linux?

If Unixwhy not a straight copy script?



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Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 8:45 AM
To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
Subject: [U2] Fast file transfers


Greetings,

Anyone come up with a really clever way to move a great deal of data from
one machine to another (completely different Multivalue Platforms; jbase ->
Universe) all within the space of a weekend?

We've tried some of the telnet programs that have multivalue specific file
transfers ... take too long.  Writing something on our own now -- but
thought I'd check to see if one of you other smart guys or gals have solved
this problem.

Cheers and TIA,
Susan
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RE: [U2] [AD] Courtesy Posting - Need Unidata/ System Builder - Programmer/Analyst - Financial Systems

[Debster]

either that or it is supposed to be an abbreviation for Metro Baltimore
since it is also listed for DC on Dice

right in the heart of John Waters land.

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Programmer/Analyst - Financial Systems


I was unaware there is a Baltimore in Manitoba.  Guess you learn something
new everyday.


Gordon J. Glorfield
Sr. Applications Developer
MAMSI (A UnitedHealth Company)
301-360-8839

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 11/22/2005 01:17:40 AM:

> Need Unidata/ System Builder - Programmer/Analyst - Financial Systems
> Contract 6-12 months
> Essential Job Functions
> LOC: Baltimore MB
> This req is for an existing client!

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[U2] [AD] Courtesy Posting - Need Unidata/ System Builder - Programmer/Analyst - Financial Systems

[Debster]

Need Unidata/ System Builder - Programmer/Analyst - Financial Systems
Contract 6-12 months
Essential Job Functions
LOC: Baltimore MB
This req is for an existing client!

This position is responsible for the planning, execution, and maintenance of
financial systems used to manage and report on the business on a day-to-day
basis.  Web-based, Windows GUI, and character-based systems are utilized to
support these functions.  Specific job functions include:

Core Responsibilities:

o   Design, implementation and maintenance of complex financial systems
utilizing state of the art technologies that support the financial,
operational, and supply-chain systems.
o   Development of user and system documentation.
o   Support for new and existing system modules.
o   Facilitation of training for users in use of new modules.
o   Coordination of development efforts on major information system 
projects.
o   Analysis and implementation of systems used to integrate business units.
o   Analysis of functional business requirements and evaluation of alternate
solutions to complex business problems.
o   Design, coding and configuration of data transformations and flows using
EAI tools such as MS BizTalk and IBM DataStage
o   Participation in the review process after implementation to ensure a
quality product.

Requirements:

o   Bachelor's degree in Computer Science or related field.
o   Four to six years of financial systems experience with demonstrated
success in the design, documentation, development and implementation of
business information systems.
o   Knowledge of accounting functions in the areas of A/R, A/P, G/L, etc.
o   Demonstrated competence in Pick Basic language and Unidata DBMS.
o   Experience with IBM System Builder 4GL
o   Strong organizational skills with the ability to coordinate and 
prioritize
multiple and complex projects.
o   Basic knowledge of all phases of systems analysis, design, programming,
testing and implementation.
o   Experience with Financial and/or Distribution applications.
o   Excellent problem solving, communication and organizational skills.
Motivated self-study skills in learning existing software modules and
programming code.
o   Experience with Redback Web development and EDI is desired.



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RE: [U2] Debugger in SB+

[Debster]

and correct me if I am wrong Kevin, oh Grand Poobah of SB+ secrets...

I always used the trace function in order to determine the process flow and
if needed coupled with imbedding display functions (with "if user.id = " )
if needed to determine the exact value of a variable.

I know you can also use logging but I never had the need.



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Absolutely.  Check out my "Debugging Tips and Tricks for the SB+
Developer" online class on December 15th.
http://www.PrecisOnline.com/train.html.

And my apologies for the advertisement.

-Kevin
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.PrecisOnline.com


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Does anybody know how to debug Processes in SB+

Thanks in advance
Bjorn Behr
Super Group
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RE: [U2] Fwd: [UV] Neiman Marcus posting for Sr. Technologist, UniVerse DBA

[Debster]

Geee

Whatever happened to Neiman Marcus running this out of New York?



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UniVerse DBA


Posted on behalf of a non list member.

Begin forwarded message:

> -
> This position will be a member of a small team of DBA's that assist  
> with providing effective development and production level database  
> technical support, and the strategic UniVerse database direction  
> for NM Direct, BGMS and EDW. In addition, this individual is  
> expected to facilitate and deliver enhancements to database  
> maintenance and monitoring, proactively identify and eliminate  
> causes of potential production disruptions, and successfully  
> complete Disaster Recovery and Cold Fail-Over activities.
>
> Candidates interested in this position should possess the following:
>
> Minimum 5 years of UniVerse Database Administration
> Minimum 7 years of experience in IT/IS Environment
> Expertise in UniVerse 9x or 10x Database performance tuning,  
> monitoring, troubleshooting and problem resolution
> Experienced in Development and Production of UVBasic applications
>
> Expertise in creating and upgrading UniVerse databases
> Familiarity with vi and shell scripting
> In Depth knowledge of UniVerse databases backup and recovery
> Experience in other Database (Oracle, MS-SQL Server, Informix,  
> Teradata, or Netezza) is a plus
> Experience in IBM AIX Environment
> Self motivated and multi-tasking individual that works well in a  
> small team environment
> Available to cover responsibilities of a rotating 24 x 7 on-call shift
> Available to work nights and weekends on short notice, as needs  
> require
> Strong organizational and planning skills, attention to detail, and  
> follow-through
> Strong analytical and problem solving skills
> Strong interpersonal, communication, and customer service skills  
> with a positive attitude
> Excellent written and verbal skills and the ability to communicate  
> with business users
> Ability to rapidly adapt to changing needs in a highly dynamic  
> environments
> Bachelor of Science in Computer Science or related field or  
> comparable business/technical experience
>
> If you have an interest in this position, please email  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] with your resume. Location is Las  
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RE: [U2] Just checking!

[Debster]

HEY!!!  

Why did ya wake me up

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THAT'S why it's been so quiet!  Everybody's out of town  

BobW

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> 
> I will be out of the office on 10/18/05 and 10/19/05.  I will return
to
> the office on 10/20/05.
> 
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RE: [U2] Fw: More U2 programming hints

[Debster]

I have usually used a BASIC SELECT within a routine that is grabbing a very
large file during something akin to a overnight/day-end routine where
end-users are not likely to be on the system, or the file is simply utilized
to retain daily processing keys to overnight updating (i.e. a temp file to
retain invoice keys), or off a list that was created within another process,
especially when the same keys are for multi files (i.e history, active
files).   This is especially useful when if you were to attempt to select a
large file that may cause you to wait until next shrove tuesday to be able
to process ityech...index it, or something!

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I must agree that a BASIC SELECT is quicker but... Don't you run the risk of
missing groups (in the read function) in this type of select? If users are
updating this file they could insert data into a group which you may already
passed.



You would only use this type of select when no one is updating this file.



Regards,

Jeff Marcos



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I can't see how a BASIC SELECT can be slower than EXECUTE "SELECT". It

doesn't have to go through to get 'xxx items selected' before it processes

the first one. I also don't believe the mechanical difference once it

begins, ie 'find the next group' etc. Wouldn't you think that this at least

spares the actual hashing as it is navigating through the file sequentially.



I would really like to see a great proof program against BASIC SELECT. I

often replace EXECUTE "SELECT" with a BASIC SELECT over the years *because*

it has always ran faster, regardless of platform. I've had many

opportunities to be proven wrong. I've tested every replacement and have

always reported an improvement.



Thanks.

MarkJohnson

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To: 

Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 5:45 PM

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> This is the way it was explained to me way back in '88.  The internal
select

> is slower on the whole file, but immediate in response.  It works the same

> as LIST.  If I list a file with 2,000,000 records I get immediate
response.

>

> If I want to process an entire file, then external select is slower on

> response, i.e. I have to wait for 2 million records to be selected  before

> processing begins, but is quicker in processing all records.

>

> The internal is slower due to the system having to stop what it's doing,

> find the next group, break out the individual ID's from that group, and
then

> return it to the program - over and over again as it makes it's way
through

> the file.

>

> hth!

>

> Allen

>

> -Original Message-

> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Behalf Of Stevenson,

> Charles

> Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2005 14:24

> To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org

> Cc: Louis Windsor

> Subject: RE: [U2] Fw: More U2 programming hints

>

>

> This is a bit disconcerting.

> BASIC SELECT should be faster than EXECUTE "SELECT..."

> Maybe the smart people can weigh in on this:

>

> > From: Louis Windsor

> >

> > A few years ago we used the BASIC SELECT FILE as opposed to

> > the EXECUTE "SELECT FILE".

> >

> > We updated UniVerse (don't ask from what version to what

> > version as I don't remember) and overnight ALL our programs

> > ran five or six times longer.

>

> Completely contrary to my experience and counter-intuitive, too.

>

> > We were told (by VMark) that the BASIC SELECT now selected

> > each group but it could be optioned to work the "old" way.

>

> Hmmm, do I vaguely, hazily remember something about that?  Maybe on

 this

> list? Maybe in release notes?  No uvconfig option jumps out at me.

> I don't think flavor would matter, or $OPTIONS [-]VAR.SELECT.

> $OPTIONS FSELECT  would slow the BASIC SELECT down to approximately

 the

> same as EXECUTE "SELECT...",  but not make it slower.

> Louis, do you, perchance, use $OPTIONS FSELECT?  Maybe buried in a

> $include file common to every program?

>

> > I wrote a conversion program to change ALL BASIC SELECTs to

> > executed SELECTs in the source and recompiled and that is the

> > way we have done it ever since.

> >

> > I don't know if things are different now but we have grown to

> > prefer EXECUTEd selects as selection criteria can be included.

>

> Louis, can you run a simple benchmark and see if this is still true?

> Or show us an example of your own?

>

>   INTERNAL:

> OPEN "[really big file]" TO F ELSE STOP

> CRT 

RE: [U2] Senior Pick Programming Position - Centennial, CO

[Debster]

Something most programmers hate to write

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Subject: RE: [U2] Senior Pick Programming Position - Centennial, CO


And what is "high-level integrated documentation"?


Gordon J. Glorfield
Sr. Applications Developer
MAMSI (A UnitedHealth Company)
301-360-8839

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 10/07/2005 02:44:34 PM:

> What is a Universe flow diagram?

> > -Original Message-
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> > Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 8:39 AM
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> > Subject: [U2] Senior Pick Programming Position - Centennial, CO
> snippet 

> > Experience with documentation of UniVerse flow diagrams, UniVerse
> > paragraphs,
> > and high-level integrated documentation of system processes.
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RE: [OT] [U2] chance encounter with a u2 site

[Debster]

I don't know if this tops that

BUT

I was trolling vendors for a replacement package for a MFG/Dist client.
When the Progress vendor came in to do the demo -- low and behold they had
basically stolen an old ADP MFG package and there on the screen was my
revamped modules ported over to Progress...all the prompts intact yet placed
in popups

Needless to say I quickly booted them

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Goo'day,

At 20:09 05/10/05 -0400, you wrote:

>;-)
>
>I had to laugh when I walked into my camera store only to see an extremely
>old Ultimate terminal. That green screen popped out at me.  Apparently
>someone had installed a simple POS system for him years ago and he had been
>performing the maintenance after self teaching himself PICK.

Mate, it's a MUCH BIGGER shock when you walk into a business and find
modules of YOUR OWN software running quite happily and you know nothing
about the installation, the company, the owner, nothing.

"My friend uses it and he got it running for me, too. But, I'd like the
"company name" changed   Can you do that?"

Only happened once


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RE: [OT] [U2] chance encounter with a u2 site

[Debster]

;-)

I had to laugh when I walked into my camera store only to see an extremely
old Ultimate terminal. That green screen popped out at me.  Apparently
someone had installed a simple POS system for him years ago and he had been
performing the maintenance after self teaching himself PICK.

Same thing, another place when I went to a contractors plumbing supply
housepop...there it goes again.

I even tried to crack into my towns library system when I realized it was
PICK

The local county college uses Datatel

Its the ghost in the machine...

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Subject: [OT] [U2] chance encounter with a u2 site


Hi All,

The other day I walked into a store to pick up a new dryer because my other
dryer (1 year old) had caught fire. Note to self: Make sure you clean out
your dryer ducts on a routine basis.  Anyway, one of the sales reps starts
to log into their system when I notice an AIX message pass by.  I look a
little closer and what do I see but a dynamic connect session going.  I ask
the guy to page up and find that the application that he is logging into is
Unidata.  The name of the store is Grants appliances based out of Joliet,
IL.

My questions to the list are have any of you had similar experiences and how
much of a geek am I to get totally excited about seeing another U2 site in
action?

Thanks,

Scott "Way Too Easily Fascinated" Thompson
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RE: [OT] [U2] chance encounter with a u2 site

[Debster]

or is itthat you might know of any possible bugs that exist if they
hadn't loaded the last release ;-)

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Not too much of a geek.. Me.. I want to know what application he was
running! To see if it is one that I am familiar with!


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Hi All,

The other day I walked into a store to pick up a new dryer because my other
dryer (1 year old) had caught fire. Note to self: Make sure you clean out
your dryer ducts on a routine basis.  Anyway, one of the sales reps starts
to log into their system when I notice an AIX message pass by.  I look a
little closer and what do I see but a dynamic connect session going.  I ask
the guy to page up and find that the application that he is logging into is
Unidata.  The name of the store is Grants appliances based out of Joliet,
IL.

My questions to the list are have any of you had similar experiences and how
much of a geek am I to get totally excited about seeing another U2 site in
action?

Thanks,

Scott "Way Too Easily Fascinated" Thompson
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RE: [U2] PICK 101

[Debster]

the bigger question is

why, when there are so many PICK people scrambling for spots especially in
the Northeast was a non-PICK person hired?

Especially when many Pickies are multi-lingual...and multi-host



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Matt Stern at Comprehensive Computer Services does Pick training. He's on
Long Island.

Comprehensive Computer Services Inc
560 Broadhollow Road
Melville, NY  11747
631-755-2250

>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/04/05 11:50 AM >>>
Hey all,
We've got a new employee at my company with no PICK experience at all ..
Does anyone know of anywhere local to get a "PICK 101" course in the NYC
area?
Thanks ..
-Chuck
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RE: [U2] Can Universe Play with Access?

[Debster]

I always pushed the Access database files as tab delimited text files to the
Universe box since ODBC was such a drag on the system

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this is fine for windows as the odbc drivers are a standard part of the os
distro.
unix requires ( expensive & pita ? ) 3rd party odbc drivers.




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George,

I have successfully done this with Universe on Windows and MS SQL. I
would imagine that MS Access is just another ODBC data source that could
be accessed from Universe TCL. The relevant documentation would include
the Universe Basic SQL Client Interface Guide for your platform and
version. Good luck.

Jimi DeRouen
Systems Analyst
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OK. Here's a question.

If I copy an access .mdb database over to our system (unix),
  Is there a way to issue a SQL statement from TCL that will
  query the access database?

OR

How difficult would it be to read the data from the access  .mdb file,
and populate a UV file for TCL queries? Assume  that the UV file would
be wiped prior to reading the .mdb  and the .mdb is a snapshot of
current access database, and  not actively being used.

We are looking at an application that creates standard access .mdb files
but we will need to import that database into our system.

George
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RE: [U2] OT: London

[Debster]

And now I would only hope there is a lurker from Sprezzatura who would check
in...so I would know all was well..

I hate this crap...

It's a completely senseless act

akin to the truly chicken shit bully who hides behind a tree to chuck a rock
at your head

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As another Brit, I would also like to thank everyone who has voiced their
support and good wishes after the events of the past 24 hours.

Matti has a very cynical point of view which I doubt will be common to the
vast majority of Brits.

I have not been affected in any way by the events of yesterday, other than
to watch (from a safe distance - Birmingham UK) the tragedy unfold during
yesterday and its aftermath.

I agree that the London bombings are not on the same scale as the horrific
events of 9/11 - which I again watched from afar (although I have been to
Ground Zero and seen what a monument that is to those events and people)
but...

Matti, this has not only affected those 38 (and rising) who have tragically
lost their lives and their families and friends.

There are also the hundreds who have been physically affected in the
tragedy, losing limbs, eyes, hearing, burned and scarred.

There are those who, by great fortune, walked away from the bombings almost
unscathed - apart from almost certainly having nightmares, panic attacks and
paranoia for the rest of their lives.

There are the thousands who will have to live with the aftermath of these
events - family and friends of the people who are physically or mentally
scarred.  Those who attended the scenes from the emergency services who will
also be affected by what they saw and experienced whilst they attended the
injured, dying and already dead at the scene and in the surrounding
hospitals.

Finally, there are those who were in the vicinity of the blasts or watching
on television or simply heard of the events who will now be so affected that
they will be unable to travel because of the fear that this might happen
again (and probably will).

Some of these affects will only last days, weeks or months whilst others are
for life - and that's not only those affected by deaths of loved ones.

Again, thank you all for your thoughts and sympathies for the Brits affected
by the bombings of yesterday.

As for ID cards, that's another story or argument that will run-and-run
until we have them and wondered what all the fuss was about.

Regards,

Neil.

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This lurking Brit would like to respond on behalf of other Brits and to
thank you all for your good wishes.

I know this is going to be described as "England's 9/11", but it doesn't
really feel like that.  Rightly or wrongly, it's not going to change the way
we view the rest of the world or ourselves;  there will be some attempts to
insist that we introduce more authoritarian measures like ID cards, until it
becomes clear that they wouldn't make a blind bit of difference.  For 38 or
more families it's a profound tragedy, but for other Londoners it's a
passing shock and a topic for pub conversations over the coming weeks.

But nevertheless your thoughts are very much appreciated.

Matti

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  Same sentiments here. I hope that all is well.

>
> I know some of the subscribers on this list are from the UK.
>
> I want you to know that our thoughts and prayers are with you today.
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RE: [U2] Parsippany

[Debster]

Then I would suspect that the local based U2 Headhunters would have the best
clues to that

Joe Chelston, Matt Hart et al

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Wow, wouldn't we all love to get a list like that.

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>
>
> I'm just interested to know who uses multi-value in the
> north-eastern US
>
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> Glenfield
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>
>
> The epicor job listing?
>
> -Rog
>
> John Varney wrote:
>
> >So would I
> >
> >There seems to be a [water?] company in Parsippany NJ using U2.
> >
> >I would like to know who they are.
> >
> >--Bill
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RE: [U2] [OT] Financial fraud (was the thread: Epicor)

[Debster]

Hey I think there is some continuity in the fact that Ted Saberese went from
Ultimate to making those electronic prison bracelets.  Ya think Martha is
Sporting one of Ted's?

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Hi Susan,

I see we are "on the same page" on this one!  :-)

Hey, I hope you're wearing green.  It's Saint Patrick's day!!!

http://www.st-patricks-day.com/index.asp

Allen (wearing his lucky green pants)



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Allen,
This is a fantastic story.  I am warning IT folks about just such a scenario
ALL THE TIME.  I've found that in these SOX audits the IT folk seem to think
along two (deadly) lines.  First, they tend to be "just tell me what you
want / give me a list (e.g. don't make me think)" and secondly "yeah, yeah,
we'll make sure you can't use vi on the data  : good thing they
don't know about ed!"

What folks don't realize about SOX is that now that an executive could be
held responsible even if he didn't know (not that I think anyone on the jury
believed Bernie Ebbers really didn't know (Worldcom)) those executives will
be frantic to SHOW they didn't know.  If they can point to a control that
demonstrates a reasonable expectation that certain controls are in place (a
signed off report that says data cannot be edited on live, for example) then
the person who withheld certain editors from the control will actually end
up being accountable.

And this whole thing about exporting and importing data (soapbox is fully
out and positioned center stage now):  SOX is not there to PREVENT
technology, flexibility, business realities!  Some folks are getting so
caught up that they are just lost in it.  Excel is a great tool for
presenting data.  Users should be able to download it and play with it all
day for internal decision making.  But if those excel reports need to be
used for consolidating multiple systems and actually reporting at an SEC
level then they need "controls".  A control can be technological -- some
reports import into read-only directories, maybe.  Or a control can be human
-- this report is consolidated every day, but on Thursday Sam spot checks
the sales figures against the cash register reports and Sally signs off on
the proofs.  Or a combination ... the data is imported, the reports are
created and the figures that go to the report are re-summarized, re-hashed
in alternate reports that are stored on the system.

[Here's an idea that has been misunderstood, too -- one company I know has
an electronic report of certain activities e.mailed to an individual every
day.  This individual must check a box, digitally signing that he's reviewed
them. He laughs and thinks everyone is stupid because he just checks the box
and doesn't really review them.  But what I'm trying to get him to
understand is that whether or not he bothers to look, by signing off he has
ACCEPTED RESPONSIBILITY for them.  So if there were a problem, he'd get the
'do not pass GO, do not collect $200' card!

SOX is really -- at its most bare-bones and fundamental level -- about
justifying finger pointing.  Think like Allen.


SJ


Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:47:56 -0800
From: "Allen E. Elwood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor

The system that I had setup, allowed accountants to change any field on an
invoice.  Believe it or not, that was the request.  What they didn't know
was that I kept a simple before change/change request/after change snapshot
of the data along with date/time/logon as I had been warned about by a wise
professor back in my school days (daze?).

What I didn't know, was that they were changing the dates and invoice
numbers on the invoices to make them look as if they were only 30-60 days
old.  This was to make the receivables look current, and therefore the
company could leverage that to borrow money from Wells Fargo for purchase of
more product to sell.

The auditors from AA were very savvy and spotted the same invoice amount
with different dates and different invoice numbers on printed aging reports
kept for historical purposes.  When they asked me about how that could
happen, I produced the audit report.  The accountants were charged with
FRAUD at Wells Fargo's request and were tried and sent to jail!  This was in
the 80's.  Way way before SOX.

The first thing the accountants did was point the finger at me.  That's why
the auditors came to me along with the CEO with the intention of nailing me.
Had I not been a paranoid programmer, I might have ended up in jail.  The
accountants thought I was a patsy, and got lots of time to think about that
for 5 years.

At the t

RE: [U2] Financial Fraud

[Debster]

And gee...

Would it have been financial fraud when as a QA manager at a retail banking
operation I discovered a bug where if you performed a transaction i.e.
withdrawal,  and then did not respond in the required time it timed out the
transaction even though it had already spit out your money yet never posted
it against your account?

Or report the double deposit that Chase just made to my account when they
obviously thought the ATM didn't record it and also processed it as a teller
transaction?

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Jeff,
That one is easy.
Requests for mods to the software must be documented and their justification
is part of the request.  Every SOX auditor I've come across has made this
mandate.

So in IT we have a methodology where we are responding to written requests
that have been through authorization channels before coming to us.

So -- without (necessarily) understanding the accounting or legal
implications of the task at hand, you can verify that the request came
through proper channels.

Everyone has their job definition -- you don't have to have knowledge or
expertise or fear outside of your realm of responsibility.  BUT BOY-GOLLY
make sure you are taking your own steps.

If it turns out you did something that you can't point to the audit of the
request and justification for WHY you did it -- well, then you may need your
lawyer.

Help put good procedures in place -- in the first place --  that make sense
and then don't let people bypass the rules (emergencies are part of the
rules, not an exception to them -- have established
emergency-justification-criteria and then established emergency procedures!)


 

Susan
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 08:08:46 -0500
From: "Lettau, Jeff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor

What if I make a change to the code in the system according to what the CFO
wants and then I get implicated as being an accomplice to fraud.
Can I pull my college credits where I failed accounting as being my defense?

Is it getting to the point where every change to the system requires a call
to a lawyer to check to see if it is ok?

Jeffrey Lettau
ERP Systems Manager
polkaudio
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RE: [U2]: Epicor

[Debster]

Hey...I never said that JD Edwards or SAP was a better choice.  I simply
said that they are not in the same league to effectively use in a
comparison.

I DO beg to differ that the choice of tier 1 products are oftentimes
dictated by transaction volume and number of end-users.  While in the middle
of my vendor search during one project where I managed the replacement of
financial functions, primarily the General Ledger, I was bumped into tier 1
out of sheer necessity due to the volume and number of end-users when the
company made an acquisition that doubled their size from 400m to 800m.  Any
software vendor worth his salt knows what his target market is in that
regard and where they would be stretched or gross overkill.  I had many a
vendor tell me, "I'm sorry our system wasn't designed for that" when the
size was proposed to them.  Needless to say, I also retained as much of the
old Shims package on the distribution end for one of the companies entities
since change was not warranted there. As long as all the G/L transactions
funneled up properly from all the disparate systems who cared?

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So maybe Advante, Dataflo, infoflo, M2K and the like are not tier 1
multi-million dollar installs.  But for ease of use and the ability to
tweak the system to meet your needs.  I'll take the tier 2 any day.

Not intending to start an argument, but what can SAP or JD Edwards do
that the smaller Epicor products can't do?  What makes them worth the
added cost?  I don't' buy into that they can handle more users.  That is
mostly a matter of database management, hardware and infrastructure.
You also have to consider who is buying what system and what their
intensions are.  What do you really get out of a standard SAP or JD
Edwards install that you can't get from any system provided by Epicor or
similar smaller priced package?  I'm not being rhetorical.(again spell
checker saves the day, I didn't know a word could start with rh.)

P.s. you can get the Monitor Series at a Circuit city store or other
high end audio stores near you!  You can't seriously expect me to send
you something for free!  I can't get stuff for free.

Jeffrey Lettau
ERP Systems Manager
polkaudio

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Yes...and I was privy to M2K back when it went through ADP doors and was
sold back out again

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I believe that Jeff was speaking about Manage-2000.  Polk audio, in
addition
to making great speakers, is a Manage-2000 user.  Now if I could just
get
them to send a couple of studio monitors my way for the plug. ;-)

When I was working for M2k under ROI Systems, there were several
companies
that choose it over JD, SAP as well as Epicor.

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X-Squeeze me

But comparing Avante to JD Edwards & Sap is like putting a 2.5 foot
T-ball
player up against Derek Jeter..its not in the same league

Avante is not a tier 1 no matter how much you would like to think that
its
playing with the big boys...

--
Debster

-- Original message --

> There are a few Epicor people that do read this list. They just tend
to
> lay low unless the discussion effects them directly.
> I can say a that there are a few people still in the Manage-2000 group
> that are very good with the interfaces to U2.
> From my past experience with Epicor, they are a very good company for
> support, and regardless of how many developers you have, there will
> always be bugs in the software that require patches. Many times these
> bugs are not evident due to the fact that everyone will use the
software
> slightly different.
> I think their long term plan is to take the many packages they have
and
> migrate them all into one package that is all inclusive and database
> independent. Although making it database independent may be counter
> productive to their plan on consolidating the software packages.
>
> If you look at who the other choices are for software, I'd say Epicor
> is still one of the top choices. Especially when you consider the
> flexibility needed in dealing in a manufacturing environment. What are
> your other choices? JD Edwards? SAP?
> They are also trying to focus on

RE: [U2]: Epicor

[Debster]

and I'm at one of the largest installs...

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While I suppose that is true that Avante is not "Tier One", Avante runs in
some rather large organizations... perhaps 1000 users.  Avante has quite a
lot of features and functionality.

I never considered Jeter to be a "heavy-weight".  Thus, a more meaningful
analogy would be... a luxury van to a luxury bus.

Let's go Mets.

--Bill 

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X-Squeeze me 

But comparing Avante to JD Edwards & Sap is like putting a 2.5 foot T-ball
player up against Derek Jeter..its not in the same league

Avante is not a tier 1 no matter how much you would like to think that its
playing with the big boys...

--
Debster

-- Original message -- 

> There are a few Epicor people that do read this list. They just tend to 
> lay low unless the discussion effects them directly. 
> I can say a that there are a few people still in the Manage-2000 group 
> that are very good with the interfaces to U2. 
> From my past experience with Epicor, they are a very good company for 
> support, and regardless of how many developers you have, there will 
> always be bugs in the software that require patches. Many times these 
> bugs are not evident due to the fact that everyone will use the software 
> slightly different. 
> I think their long term plan is to take the many packages they have and 
> migrate them all into one package that is all inclusive and database 
> independent. Although making it database independent may be counter 
> productive to their plan on consolidating the software packages. 
> 
> If you look at who the other choices are for software, I'd say Epicor 
> is still one of the top choices. Especially when you consider the 
> flexibility needed in dealing in a manufacturing environment. What are 
> your other choices? JD Edwards? SAP? 
> They are also trying to focus on integrating all of their other packages 
> together into a complete solution. Kind of like cross selling. If you 
> run ERP and want CRM then they want to integrate the 2. 
> They have many initiatives that are good ideas, in my humble opinion, 
> but it will take them years to make it work. 
> 
> Jeffrey Lettau 
> ERP Systems Manager 
> polkaudio 
> 
> -Original Message- 
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> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 12:58 PM 
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> Subject: Re: [U2]: Epicor 
> 
> Another interesting consideration is seeing no response from anyone 
> within 
> Epicor to this thread. That tells me they have little to no interest in 
> U2 
> which is a red flag in my book. Certainly implies that they don't have 
> knowledgeable or extensive support for how Epicor interfaces or doesn't 
> with U2 in 
> general. 
> 
> Will Johnson 
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RE: [U2]: Epicor

[Debster]

Sorry Susan

Your baby ain't butt ugly but no mother thinks her baby has flaws...

But -- I've worked on alot of packages, and yes even extensive tier 1
packages that are well out of price points for some.  Yes with Avante there
are alot of bells and whistles, but ofttimes when trying to be all things to
all manufacturing markets you miss the mark by being too convoluted to use
effectively without customizing it to meet the individual company needs and
throwing out a good portion that you paid for.  Remember KISS? Sometimes
simple is better, or something geared toward more specific target market,
ala flavors like we are all familar with.  Problems do arise with Avante and
trying to administer the patches without total disruption.  The location I
am at was virtually shut down for more than just a day or two due to patches
in the past.  Even when initially bringing the system up, they were shut
down due to screw ups by Epicor tech reps in regards to system set up
functions.

I know its your baby, but I loathe the fact that you are forced to utilize
PRC.  Granted my current location runs the light version along with the fact
that  there are few software version control systems available for the U2
market, but I have utilized more open home grown systems that provided
better ease of use while providing just as much or a higher level of control
and deployment functions.  Sometimes the client actually does know best when
administering their system controls.

Even though there may be many happy as a clam Avante users, and you see
those in attendance at user meetings, but what percentage does that
represent of the actual number of end-users?  Pissed off customers rarely
attend those functions unless it's to sit at the back of the room and
heckle.

Someone asked for an opinion from users, and I gave it from my 15+ years in
manufacturing as a resource...

Sorry



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Wow -- that wasn't a very strong endorsement of Epicor as a product.  And I
am surprised.  I go to their user meetings all over the US and Europe and I
have to say that there are a lot of really, really happy Avanti, Manfact and
Dataflo customers around the world.I'm sure it has flaws and "bugs" -- I
haven't met a perfect software application yet.  But many people tell me
that it has flexibility and functionality for many types of manufacturing
and general ERP business applications that is far beyond what else is out
there in the price range.

But the part of this that brought me into this foray is the bit about how
difficult patch releases are.  This is something that I've been very
involved with at Epicor. (PRC is the tool used internally and at customer
site to manage the software configuration and the patches and releases.)
Now granted, they don't do exactly the way I'd like them to.  But they are a
big company and for some silly reason they won't let me run it!

Even so, I guess if they issue bug-fix documents and patch releases too
frequently I can understand feeling overwhelmed.  But let's face it, its a
lot of software and the fact that they are working hard to keep it current
is a good thing -- isn't it?

One of the hallmarks of the success of the Avanti product has been Epicor's
commitment to accommodating customization.  To that end they have created a
system for tracking, delivering and reintegrating what can be constant
change.  I heard recently that the ability to stay on current releases of
Avanti and customize to your hearts content is well above industry
standards.  Most of the time you have to choose.

Now -- there are some things that Avanti customers can do on their side that
will help manage the constant influx of change.  Things that many companies
don't bother to do until the integration effort becomes cumbersome and then
they may not realize how a few simple changes in procedure in-house could
have a huge impact.  I would be happy to elaborate on these simple changes
but won't use list bandwidth on it.  But get to me privately if I can help.

I couldn't help but hop in, partly in defense of Epicor. Some good folks
over there working hard to provide good solutions.  But its more personal,
too -- you may not have realized that you called my baby ugly. :)

Susan Joslyn
SJ+ Systems Associates, Inc.

PRC (r) Real software configuration management for U2 development.

Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 11:48:35 -0500
From: "Debster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor

The Avante package I am working on uses UV.  They seem to have "Technical
Bulletins" on almost a bi-weekly basis of bugs within the system.  The
patches are a bear to install if there is even the normal end-user amount of
customization on the existing syst

RE: [U2]: Epicor

[Debster]

Lemme hope that a former HK employee turned Avante rep now no longer with
either company wasn't involved in the roll-out ;-)

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Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor


While I suppose that is true that Avante is not "Tier One", Avante runs in
some rather large organizations... perhaps 1000 users.  Avante has quite a
lot of features and functionality.

I never considered Jeter to be a "heavy-weight".  Thus, a more meaningful
analogy would be... a luxury van to a luxury bus.

Let's go Mets.

--Bill

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X-Squeeze me

But comparing Avante to JD Edwards & Sap is like putting a 2.5 foot T-ball
player up against Derek Jeter..its not in the same league

Avante is not a tier 1 no matter how much you would like to think that its
playing with the big boys...

--
Debster

-- Original message --

> There are a few Epicor people that do read this list. They just tend to
> lay low unless the discussion effects them directly.
> I can say a that there are a few people still in the Manage-2000 group
> that are very good with the interfaces to U2.
> From my past experience with Epicor, they are a very good company for
> support, and regardless of how many developers you have, there will
> always be bugs in the software that require patches. Many times these
> bugs are not evident due to the fact that everyone will use the software
> slightly different.
> I think their long term plan is to take the many packages they have and
> migrate them all into one package that is all inclusive and database
> independent. Although making it database independent may be counter
> productive to their plan on consolidating the software packages.
>
> If you look at who the other choices are for software, I'd say Epicor
> is still one of the top choices. Especially when you consider the
> flexibility needed in dealing in a manufacturing environment. What are
> your other choices? JD Edwards? SAP?
> They are also trying to focus on integrating all of their other packages
> together into a complete solution. Kind of like cross selling. If you
> run ERP and want CRM then they want to integrate the 2.
> They have many initiatives that are good ideas, in my humble opinion,
> but it will take them years to make it work.
>
> Jeffrey Lettau
> ERP Systems Manager
> polkaudio
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 12:58 PM
> To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
> Subject: Re: [U2]: Epicor
>
> Another interesting consideration is seeing no response from anyone
> within
> Epicor to this thread. That tells me they have little to no interest in
> U2
> which is a red flag in my book. Certainly implies that they don't have
> knowledgeable or extensive support for how Epicor interfaces or doesn't
> with U2 in
> general.
>
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RE: [U2]: Epicor

[Debster]

Yes...and I was privy to M2K back when it went through ADP doors and was
sold back out again

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I believe that Jeff was speaking about Manage-2000.  Polk audio, in addition
to making great speakers, is a Manage-2000 user.  Now if I could just get
them to send a couple of studio monitors my way for the plug. ;-)

When I was working for M2k under ROI Systems, there were several companies
that choose it over JD, SAP as well as Epicor.

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X-Squeeze me

But comparing Avante to JD Edwards & Sap is like putting a 2.5 foot T-ball
player up against Derek Jeter..its not in the same league

Avante is not a tier 1 no matter how much you would like to think that its
playing with the big boys...

--
Debster

-- Original message --

> There are a few Epicor people that do read this list. They just tend to
> lay low unless the discussion effects them directly.
> I can say a that there are a few people still in the Manage-2000 group
> that are very good with the interfaces to U2.
> From my past experience with Epicor, they are a very good company for
> support, and regardless of how many developers you have, there will
> always be bugs in the software that require patches. Many times these
> bugs are not evident due to the fact that everyone will use the software
> slightly different.
> I think their long term plan is to take the many packages they have and
> migrate them all into one package that is all inclusive and database
> independent. Although making it database independent may be counter
> productive to their plan on consolidating the software packages.
>
> If you look at who the other choices are for software, I'd say Epicor
> is still one of the top choices. Especially when you consider the
> flexibility needed in dealing in a manufacturing environment. What are
> your other choices? JD Edwards? SAP?
> They are also trying to focus on integrating all of their other packages
> together into a complete solution. Kind of like cross selling. If you
> run ERP and want CRM then they want to integrate the 2.
> They have many initiatives that are good ideas, in my humble opinion,
> but it will take them years to make it work.
>
> Jeffrey Lettau
> ERP Systems Manager
> polkaudio
>
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 12:58 PM
> To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
> Subject: Re: [U2]: Epicor
>
> Another interesting consideration is seeing no response from anyone
> within
> Epicor to this thread. That tells me they have little to no interest in
> U2
> which is a red flag in my book. Certainly implies that they don't have
> knowledgeable or extensive support for how Epicor interfaces or doesn't
> with U2 in
> general.
>
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RE: [U2]: Epicor

[Debster]

FYI FYI

I want it to be understood that Kevin King was not the spaghetti man I
mentioned earlier..I will not name that person.  I only mentioned Kevin in
the respect that given the fact that he is a published Grand Poobah of SB+
that you would expect more fancy schmanchy zing bang boom SB+ tricks.  But
apparently his wisdom of knowing when to hold 'em and when to fold 'em was
far greater than spaghetti man who thought, hey its like Prego...its in
there and I'm gonna use it even if it is the wrong sauce...

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Another interesting consideration is seeing no response from anyone within
Epicor to this thread.  That tells me they have little to no interest in U2
which is a red flag in my book.  Certainly implies that they don't have
knowledgeable or extensive support for how Epicor interfaces or doesn't with
U2 in
general.

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RE: [U2]: Epicor

[Debster]

Don't feel bad...every person on this list has some dirty laundry.  It's
amazing how many of us have rode the economic roller coaster from such
heights to such lows.  Makes me wonder,  is there any other profession that
has such extremes?

A garbage man isn't subjected to corporate takeover woes or such extremes in
monetary compensation

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Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 12:05 PM
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I meant to only send this to debster.  But I forgot to change the address.
I didn't mean to air dirty laundry in public.  Doh..

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Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 15:12
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I know they have several products, but have very little interest in them
since I have so much experience in M2K.  So, um Avante uses U2 or UV?

I wonder if that's the "glorified jobshop" that my friend alluded to?

All I know is that they bought ROI Systems in 07/03 and all the old timer
ROI employees *HATE* working for them and have or are getting ready to jump
ship...they say I'm the lucky one since I got laid off and got a
compensation package, whereas they have had to put up with the huge
corporate treatment of 'programmers as worker bees' mentality and are now
quitting and receiving no package.

I was a work-from-home 1,200 miles away from the office and was temporarily
disabled with an elbow injury so severe that the doctors almost amputated.
So when Epicor acquired ROI, I got the golden boot to the rear.  Almost sued
under the ADA, but I had an empty bank account and had to take the
compensation package or risk loosing my house. :-0 !!!

But that's ok, as Ann Landers used to say 'time wounds all heals'.  ;-)

*=aee=*

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You forgot Avante



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Hi Will,

You mean, like the epicor product that uses u2? (which I believe Manage-2000
is the only one). Or the epicor product that uses SQL? I have little
knowledge of that one but an associate says it's a very poor substitute for
M2K.

His exact words:"I know their glorified jobshop package won't do diddly for
m2k folk used to an mrp engine."

(Manage-2000 abbreviated is M2k)

If you're interested in M2k, I used it in a production distribution
environment from 1988 to 1999, and still specialize in
programming/consulting for that product.  It's a very big system.  Over 800
menus!

Allen

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Is anyone on this list an Epicor user ?  I have a client who is examining
Epicor as a possible solution to part of what they need and would like some
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RE: [U2]: Epicor

[Debster]

The Avante package I am working on uses UV.  They seem to have "Technical
Bulletins" on almost a bi-weekly basis of bugs within the system.  The
patches are a bear to install if there is even the normal end-user amount of
customization on the existing system and a nightmare if it's extensive.
Most of these bugs you find fixing well before the patch arrives if it's in
an area that you utilize.  There appears to be little to no respect for how
Epicor handles support.

Trying to gestimate learning curve for an individual is hard.  What shortens
the timeframe is the same for any package/tool.  Just how familiar are you
with the outside factors such as a extensive understanding of manufacturing
business process flow and if you have ever utilized SB+ before.  If you are
unfamiliar with either than it of course extends the learning curve.  I have
seen both sides of the coin with other consultants at my current contract,
one had extensive expertise in SB+ and very little Basic or manufacturing.
The end result in his contribution was use of SB+ tools that were not
utilized anywhere else within the Avante system, spaghetti in regards to the
manufacturing functions, and misuse of SB+ tools where Basic was more
appropriate.  [Not even the illustrious SB+ guru Kevin King did that as he
passed through their doors] On the other side, yet another consultant was
unable to conform to the use of SB+ when appropriate.  In other words, when
enhancing,  by conforming to the rest of the system  it creates a better
flow and less problems,  it also strengthens your understanding of the
system.  I found Avante's extensive use of SB+ tools the biggest hurdle
since other systems I had used it on primarily utilized it for forms and
report design leaving the majority of processes to be written more in Basic.
That is not the case with Avante, there is extensive use of paragraphs.  I
find this more cumbersome, more system use intensive with poor use causing
gross inefficiencies.  If you use debugger a lot to troubleshoot as I had in
the past, it becomes a nightmare.  You wind up using trace and display
functions instead at various points to view what is actually occurring.
Making sure you don't step on yourself as you pass through multiple
paragraphs, screens to basic and back to the original screen depends on file
use and preserving the work files utilized. Best bet when customizing Avante
is to not screw too much with the core files, but instead utilize fields so
far out, or adding additional user files that the potential for Avante
stepping on them is eliminated.

Would I choose it as a package?  No, I think there are far better choices
out there that are far more manageable in terms of both support and ease of
customization.

But that is just my .02

Debster

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Subject: RE: [U2]: Epicor


Hi Will,

You mean, like the epicor product that uses u2? (which I believe Manage-2000
is the only one). Or the epicor product that uses SQL? I have little
knowledge of that one but an associate says it's a very poor substitute for
M2K.

His exact words:"I know their glorified jobshop package won't do diddly for
m2k folk used to an mrp engine."

(Manage-2000 abbreviated is M2k)

If you're interested in M2k, I used it in a production distribution
environment from 1988 to 1999, and still specialize in
programming/consulting for that product.  It's a very big system.  Over 800
menus!

Allen

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Subject: [U2]: Epicor


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Epicor as a possible solution to part of what they need and would like some
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RE: [U2]: Epicor

[Debster]

You forgot Avante



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Hi Will,

You mean, like the epicor product that uses u2? (which I believe Manage-2000
is the only one). Or the epicor product that uses SQL? I have little
knowledge of that one but an associate says it's a very poor substitute for
M2K.

His exact words:"I know their glorified jobshop package won't do diddly for
m2k folk used to an mrp engine."

(Manage-2000 abbreviated is M2k)

If you're interested in M2k, I used it in a production distribution
environment from 1988 to 1999, and still specialize in
programming/consulting for that product.  It's a very big system.  Over 800
menus!

Allen

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RE: [U2]: Epicor

[Debster]

Here Here

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RE: [U2] [OT] Wonky?

[Debster]

...and in the case of Johnny Depp, ala Tim Burton having really weird
optical fixtures and audio features (un-Depp like teeth)

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> It was Willy WONKA !

Creative license...  :-)  I also got the colors wrong.  It should have been
Orange with Green hair.  :-)


  -- John Solie -- Professional Hospital Supply -- 951-296-2600

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RE: [U2] [AD] Programmer needed in New Jersey

[Debster]

Barry

You left yourself open to the abuse that always seems to erupt whenever
there is a job posted.

Karen is most likely right, but then again since the dawn of time there have
always been senior slots, and junior slots.  Once upon a time we all started
in junior slots where we were the lowest on the pay scale working our way
through the ranks.  Usually in this field that means taking your knowledge
elsewhere to attain the pay you think you deserve based on your newly
acquired knowledge.

Specifically seeking a junior is not really wrong, what would be wrong would
be to hire a seasoned professional for a position that they are grossly
overqualified for and most likely underpaid for.  In that case both parties
lose since the seasoned professional is insulted, bored and disgruntled
concerning their pay scale and is only looking to bail at the first
opportunity.  Whereas if the junior is finally given a break, they grow into
the position and both parties gain from it.

Feeding and nurturing juniors is what keeps our market growing.  Only having
the seniors involved
may only make U2 go the way of the dinosaurs...

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What this means is

They don't want to pay $$$ for someone who knows what they're doing



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Wow. Never saw a limit on experience before. I guess I'm out.

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>Pick programmer needed in New Jersey. Person should
> have at least 1-2 years experience and no more than
> 3-4 years. Programmer will be working in UniVerse.
> Work will involve EDI, inventory, sales, a/r, production
> and more. Basic knowledge of RedBack helpful.
>   If there is any interest, contact me and I can put
> you in touch with our HR people.
>
>
> Barry Rogen
> Senior Programmer
> PNY  Technologies
> (973) 515 - 9700  ext 5327
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RE: [U2] LOOP or GOTO on READNEXT

[Debster]

Chuck

ok...

Calm down

Take an egg nog in hand and sip slowly

We will take heed and GOTO to the community list and hope it does not do a
LOOP RETURN...

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ONCE AGAIN: MOVE THIS TO U2-COMMUNITY!

This belongs on U2-Community, not on U2-Users. GOTO falls under the
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RE: [U2] LOOP or GOTO on READNEXT

[Debster]

I'm an elder too...so I will be kind to myself..

alas...everyone missed my point..

Personally...and I mean personally, even if I hoards behind me who feel the
same way...I think GO, & GOTO's are sloppy coding.  There are cleaner ways
to do it.

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Goo'day,

At 19:30 28/12/04 -0500, you wrote:

>It is a silly argument...
>
>I just think about utilizing a goto or its facsmile within C++. C, C#  (not
>that I ever did) and it would quickly garner a big red "F" in school...

Ah!   But some of us were programming "top down" with GO's, JUMP's,
what-have-you - quite productively and successfully -  long before
"structured programming" was foisted upon an unsuspecting public, and long
before "schools" of any ilk, primary, secondary or tertiary, even knew a
skerrick about "programming" per se.

Most of the programming profession in those days, and it's well and truly
within my lifetime, were taught their trade by hardware manufacturers.

As a matter of small fact, "top down" programming was preached at me in my
early Pick days (late 70's) to overcome frame faulting/ response time
problems in MDD boxes with only 32K of memory and up to 8 users

Be kind to your elders.

>I don't know of any other language where it would even get beyond a snicker
>at the unpolished newbie...
>
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>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 5:27 PM
>To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
>Subject: RE: [U2] LOOP or GOTO on READNEXT
>
>
>While quibbling over nanoseconds, some of may have missed a little flaw
>in your tests that would have nothing to do with caching or memory
>allocation.  The elapsed time of each test could have been different
>enough that the differences in the counts would fall within that margin
>of error.  This is particularly noticeable in Tom's test below.
>
>Using 'TIME() + ' to determine the stopping point could
>make the first iteration up to .999 seconds shorter than the second.
>When you're processing hundreds of thousands or millions of iterations
>per second, that fraction of a second could account for the differences.
>
>Using Tom's example below, if the system time was 1.999 at the
>start, then
>ETIME for the first pass would be 10005, resulting in 4.001 seconds of
>processing.  The second pass would start around 10005.001 and ETIME
>would be 10010, resulting in 4.999 seconds of processing.  When
>processing 600,000 iterations, that means a margin of error of 120,000.
>Hence the results are skewed toward the second loop.
>
>To get around this, you could:
>A) Use SYSTEM(12)(on UD) to get milliseconds or other function to get a
>more exact measurement of time to make margin of error smaller.
>B) Add some code at the beginning to ensure TIME() had just incremented
>to the next number before starting a loop.
>C) Loop for more than a few seconds to make the partial second a smaller
>part of the total.
>D) Loop for a fixed number of times, logging starting and ending times
>(preferably in milliseconds or smaller).
>
>Dean
>
>P.S.  I apologize for the late post.  I'm once again way behind but
>couldn't resist this one.
>
>
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>Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 2:32 PM
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>Subject: RE: [U2] LOOP or GOTO on READNEXT
>
>Allen E. Elwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 13 Dec 2004 09:36:42
>-0800
>
> > I didn't include the delete statement because what you really wanted
> > to test was the LOOP/REPEAT vs. the GO construct.  Guess what?  After
> > doing four consecutive runs and picking the fastest of each four,
> > LOOP/REPEAT wins!!
> > ...
> > So does this end the GOTO holy war?
> > Less Filling, Tastes Better, Goes Faster???
> > ;-)
>
>Ummm... no.  Using UniData 6.0 on AIX 5.1 I tested a similar program
>with a tighter GOTO loop:
>
>01: * Test Loop Speeds
>02: *
>03:CTR = 0
>04:ETIME = TIME() + 5
>05:LOOP WHILE TIME() < ETIME DO
>06:   CTR += 1
>07:REPEAT
>08:PRINT "While ":CTR
>09: *
>10:CTR = 0
>11:ETIME = TIME() + 5
>12: 10 CTR += 1
>13:IF TIME() < ETIME THEN GOTO 10
>14:PRINT "Go To ":CTR
>
>I also wrote a separate program with lines 2-9 above after line 14, so I
>could test if the order of execution made a difference.  I ran each
>program four times, with the following results ("W" indicates "Winner"
>:->)
>
>-- Go To First -   -- While First -
>Go To Count  While Count   Go To Count  While Count
>---  ---   ---  ---
>   769730 W 752380667050 W 458545
>   655809   734709 W  747373 W 592827
>   576565   688953 W  785676 W 611628
>  

RE: [U2] LOOP or GOTO on READNEXT

[Debster]

It is a silly argument...

I just think about utilizing a goto or its facsmile within C++. C, C#  (not
that I ever did) and it would quickly garner a big red "F" in school...

I don't know of any other language where it would even get beyond a snicker
at the unpolished newbie...

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While quibbling over nanoseconds, some of may have missed a little flaw
in your tests that would have nothing to do with caching or memory
allocation.  The elapsed time of each test could have been different
enough that the differences in the counts would fall within that margin
of error.  This is particularly noticeable in Tom's test below.

Using 'TIME() + ' to determine the stopping point could
make the first iteration up to .999 seconds shorter than the second.
When you're processing hundreds of thousands or millions of iterations
per second, that fraction of a second could account for the differences.

Using Tom's example below, if the system time was 1.999 at the
start, then
ETIME for the first pass would be 10005, resulting in 4.001 seconds of
processing.  The second pass would start around 10005.001 and ETIME
would be 10010, resulting in 4.999 seconds of processing.  When
processing 600,000 iterations, that means a margin of error of 120,000.
Hence the results are skewed toward the second loop.

To get around this, you could:
A) Use SYSTEM(12)(on UD) to get milliseconds or other function to get a
more exact measurement of time to make margin of error smaller.
B) Add some code at the beginning to ensure TIME() had just incremented
to the next number before starting a loop.
C) Loop for more than a few seconds to make the partial second a smaller
part of the total.
D) Loop for a fixed number of times, logging starting and ending times
(preferably in milliseconds or smaller).

Dean

P.S.  I apologize for the late post.  I'm once again way behind but
couldn't resist this one.


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Allen E. Elwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 13 Dec 2004 09:36:42
-0800

> I didn't include the delete statement because what you really wanted
> to test was the LOOP/REPEAT vs. the GO construct.  Guess what?  After
> doing four consecutive runs and picking the fastest of each four,
> LOOP/REPEAT wins!!
> ...
> So does this end the GOTO holy war?
> Less Filling, Tastes Better, Goes Faster???
> ;-)

Ummm... no.  Using UniData 6.0 on AIX 5.1 I tested a similar program
with a tighter GOTO loop:

01: * Test Loop Speeds
02: *
03:CTR = 0
04:ETIME = TIME() + 5
05:LOOP WHILE TIME() < ETIME DO
06:   CTR += 1
07:REPEAT
08:PRINT "While ":CTR
09: *
10:CTR = 0
11:ETIME = TIME() + 5
12: 10 CTR += 1
13:IF TIME() < ETIME THEN GOTO 10
14:PRINT "Go To ":CTR

I also wrote a separate program with lines 2-9 above after line 14, so I
could test if the order of execution made a difference.  I ran each
program four times, with the following results ("W" indicates "Winner"
:->)

-- Go To First -   -- While First -
Go To Count  While Count   Go To Count  While Count
---  ---   ---  ---
  769730 W 752380667050 W 458545
  655809   734709 W  747373 W 592827
  576565   688953 W  785676 W 611628
  629807   748265 W  714679 W 564908

The second loop for whatever reason seems to have an advantage.
Overall, I suspect there isn't a lot of difference.

--Tom Pellitieri
  Century Equipment
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RE: [U2] Comparison Unidata and Universe

[Debster]

There is also no reason why you cannot write one yourself...

It's as simple as putting a wrapper around an edit function to write items
into a project tagged with the programmer assigned name, and prevent others
from editing the same item.  As the item is completed it rolls it into a
separate area for installation.

Of course I mapped it out in a very simple manner but it is relativity easy
to do. Most people bawk at having to use it at first but then appreciate it
when their work is no longer stepped on.



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CVS is free.
WinCVS is free.
TurtleCVS (integrates with Windows Explorer and Apache) is free.

PRC isn't, but I've heard good things about it...

...the real question is,

You can afford NOT to have a version control system?

Brian

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You can afford a version control system?



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Surely you use a version control system in a multi-programmer environment?



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[U2] Where is the archive?

[Debster]

Where is a searchable archive of the postings from this list?

I know I found it before but I am having a senior moment
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