Re: [U2] Read yourself
I'm not trying to active the Matrix George. Just writing a worm which can survive inside the Matrix and keep my consciousness intact long enough until Neo shows up. -Original Message- From: George Gallen-2 [via U2 (UniVerse & UniData)] To: Will Johnson Sent: Tue, May 13, 2014 1:41 pm Subject: Re: Read yourself Actually, expounding on that. You could have a program insert the program and file name into a program Not recompile - just the source Then as you get a chance to modify each program to become self aware (the first step to Activating the MATRIX) then you would compile/catalog. George -Original Message- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of George Gallen Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 1:27 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Read yourself Then you would need to write another program that scans the programs and checks if the VERDATA element For the program name matches the @ID in the program file - if not email someone to fix it. Then have it run nightly - so if it did get cloned without changing, it wouldn't be that way For long. George -Original Message- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2014 1:13 PM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [U2] Read yourself This can be broken simply by copying the program to some other location, without changing the variables. -Original Message- From: Robert <[hidden email]> To: U2 Users List <[hidden email]> Sent: Tue, May 13, 2014 9:58 am Subject: Re: [U2] Read yourself Awesome feature Ross that you have in your Stamina product. Is there a link to an article, example, or manual describing it in detail? That way I can forward it to any Universe client inquiring about those features. I have seen Brian Leach's source code and he has the program information embedded in a variable like this: . . . * * Modification History * --- VERDATA='' VERDATA := 'Version=001009003;' VERDATA := 'VerModVer=00100;' VERDATA := 'VerBeta=;' VERDATA := 'VerDate=15134;' ___ U2-Users mailing list [hidden email] http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list [hidden email] http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://u2-universe-unidata.1073795.n5.nabble.com/Read-yourself-tp43052p43076.html To start a new topic under U2 - Users, email ml-node+s1073795n3...@n5.nabble.com To unsubscribe from U2 (UniVerse & UniData), click here. NAML -- View this message in context: http://u2-universe-unidata.1073795.n5.nabble.com/Read-yourself-tp43052p43090.html Sent from the U2 - Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Left Outer Join Question
Explain this concern better, I don't understand it. -Original Message- From: randyleesmith [via U2 (UniVerse & UniData)] To: Will Johnson Sent: Tue, Mar 4, 2014 11:07 am Subject: Re: Left Outer Join Question If I do; SELECT X NSELECT Y Won't that take all my duplicate keys out from Y when I only want selected ones taken out from Y? I used to be an Optimist until I knocked over the glass. If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://u2-universe-unidata.1073795.n5.nabble.com/Left-Outer-Join-Question-tp42740p42784.html To start a new topic under U2 - Users, email ml-node+s1073795n3...@n5.nabble.com To unsubscribe from U2 (UniVerse & UniData), click here. NAML -- View this message in context: http://u2-universe-unidata.1073795.n5.nabble.com/Left-Outer-Join-Question-tp42740p42786.html Sent from the U2 - Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Reporting Tools
How option an (Option to include or not include column headings ? -Original Message- From: Riverman [via U2 (UniVerse & UniData)] To: Will Johnson Sent: Tue, Mar 4, 2014 10:53 am Subject: Re: Reporting Tools I created a program (LIST.EXPORT) that works similar to the LIST command. The report has tab delimited columns and is output to the &HOLD& file. The command line command LIST.EXPORT allows conv and col.hdg column modifiers. The command requires a saved list name to know which records to select. I suspect the only limitation is the number of characters that can be entered on a command line. LIST.EXPORT reads the dictionary record for each column to determine if it is a "D" or "I" type. Value marks and sub value marks are converted to spaces. I have not yet added normalisation to the routine. If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://u2-universe-unidata.1073795.n5.nabble.com/Reporting-Tools-tp42725p42781.html To start a new topic under U2 - Users, email ml-node+s1073795n3...@n5.nabble.com To unsubscribe from U2 (UniVerse & UniData), click here. NAML -- View this message in context: http://u2-universe-unidata.1073795.n5.nabble.com/Reporting-Tools-tp42725p42782.html Sent from the U2 - Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Left Outer Join Question
No you can't do that.
You do select this, select that, select this, nselect that.
When you are all DONE, you can then do another SELECT on the result.
Nselect cannot take options like that
But you can do a Select AFTER you've done the Nselect
-Original Message-
From: randyleesmith [via U2 (UniVerse & UniData)]
To: Will Johnson
Sent: Tue, Mar 4, 2014 10:43 am
Subject: Re: Left Outer Join Question
Using NSELECT works as long as I don't do a complicated statement with
it.
>NSELECT OLDMAS WITH CO = "SF" AND WITH TRWSTATUS AND WITH ACTIONCODE NE "99"
>...
Unknown word "WITH" on command line.
I used to be an Optimist until I knocked over
the glass.
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Re: [U2] Left Outer Join Question
SELECT OLDMAS 5247 records selected NSELECT TRWMONTHEND -Original Message- From: randyleesmith [via U2 (UniVerse & UniData)] To: Will Johnson Sent: Tue, Mar 4, 2014 4:39 am Subject: Re: Left Outer Join Question I tried the simplest way and still could not get it to work. SF-MORT>SELECT OLDMAS TO 1 5247 record(s) selected to SELECT list #1. SF-MORT>SELECT TRWMONTHEND TO 2 5229 record(s) selected to SELECT list #2. SF-MORT>MERGE.LIST 1 INTERSECT 2 TO 3 SELECT list 1 is not active. SF-MORT>MERGE.LIST 1 INTERSECT 2 SELECT list 1 is not active. I even tried the lowercase select and got the same result. Our version is 10.2.7 and we are running in PICK PICK.FORMAT. We are running a number of older applications and Proc's. So it may because of the Version I'm using. : 0001: X : 0002: 10.2.7 : 0003: PICK : 0004: PICK.FORMAT : 0005: 10.2.7 I used to be an Optimist until I knocked over the glass. If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://u2-universe-unidata.1073795.n5.nabble.com/Left-Outer-Join-Question-tp42740p42772.html To start a new topic under U2 - Users, email ml-node+s1073795n3...@n5.nabble.com To unsubscribe from U2 (UniVerse & UniData), click here. NAML -- View this message in context: http://u2-universe-unidata.1073795.n5.nabble.com/Left-Outer-Join-Question-tp42740p42775.html Sent from the U2 - Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Left Outer Join Question
How about a U2 way to deal with it? -Original Message- From: randyleesmith [via U2 (UniVerse & UniData)] To: Will Johnson Sent: Mon, Mar 3, 2014 9:43 am Subject: Left Outer Join Question I have 2 files. File 2 is a black list of records (keys) I want to exclude in and active select list of File 1. I've been looking into this for a little while and am not sure what I'm doing wrong. Docs are not very helpful with any examples on the how to do with this. I know of ways to deal with this in code, but was hoping for an SQL way to deal with it. I used to be an Optimist until I knocked over the glass. If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://u2-universe-unidata.1073795.n5.nabble.com/Left-Outer-Join-Question-tp42740.html To start a new topic under U2 - Users, email ml-node+s1073795n3...@n5.nabble.com To unsubscribe from U2 (UniVerse & UniData), click here. NAML -- View this message in context: http://u2-universe-unidata.1073795.n5.nabble.com/Left-Outer-Join-Question-tp42740p42741.html Sent from the U2 - Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] SELECTINDEX problem Universe 11.1.11
I always understood the index to be atomic, so Macke selects Macke and Mackenzie selects Mackenzie -Original Message- From: mbeggs [via U2 (UniVerse & UniData)] To: Will Johnson Sent: Fri, Feb 21, 2014 2:15 pm Subject: SELECTINDEX problem Universe 11.1.11 We are currently running UV 11.1.11 and have come across a problem with SELECTINDEX. For example if I enter in MACKE for a name should all names starting with MACKE display, including MACKENZIE. This does not appear to be working properly. According to Rocket they say there was a bug in 11.1.2 for this problem, and was corrected, but appears to still be a problem. Does anyone have any suggestions? If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://u2-universe-unidata.1073795.n5.nabble.com/SELECTINDEX-problem-Universe-11-1-11-tp42711.html To start a new topic under U2 - Users, email ml-node+s1073795n3...@n5.nabble.com To unsubscribe from U2 (UniVerse & UniData), click here. NAML -- View this message in context: http://u2-universe-unidata.1073795.n5.nabble.com/SELECTINDEX-problem-Universe-11-1-11-tp42711p42712.html Sent from the U2 - Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Using a "(" at the end of a Select statement
Yes at one time there were perhaps about 12 of them
The 'S' probably suppresses something, like the item count.
But I suspect that Universe is simply ignoring those options
-Original Message-
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To: Will Johnson
Sent: Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:48 am
Subject: Re: Using a "(" at the end of a Select statement
It's possible the system I'm on started out in the 70's.
I do use (P with select for outputting to a printer.
So I thought maybe there were other control items.
I used to be an Optimist until I knocked over
the glass.
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Re: [U2] Using a "(" at the end of a Select statement
Old style Pick used these sort of options, Universe tends to shun them instead
using things like DET-SUPP in place of just D
Surprising sets of options there.
Try to sample the file and execute the select without ANY of these options and
see what you get.
I suggest these are throwaways from a day when your client was not on Universe
at all, but rather on some earlier thing like mvBase
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From: randyleesmith [via U2 (UniVerse & UniData)]
To: Will Johnson
Sent: Thu, Feb 13, 2014 11:17 am
Subject: Using a "(" at the end of a Select statement
Working with Universe Select statements I found one with (RSD at the
end of it.
I need to do the same select, but I want to confirm if I the (RSD is needed or
not.
I've been looking for any ref to this with no luck so I thought I ask you folks.
Thanks for any help on this.
I used to be an Optimist until I knocked over
the glass.
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Re: [U2] Regarding: LISTING SUB-VALUES
Or @RECORD<3,3> I wonder if using the @Record in this way, would be a microsecond faster than using CUSTOMER.PHONE.NUMBER ? It would seem like the processor would have one less step to do, but maybe I'm wrong. -Original Message- From: Charles Stevenson-2 [via U2 (UniVerse & UniData)] To: Will Johnson Sent: Fri, Dec 27, 2013 5:32 am Subject: Re: Regarding: LISTING SUB-VALUES Anthony meant: 002: CUSTOMER.PHONE.NUMBER<1,3> On 12/27/2013 1:08 PM, Wols Lists wrote: > CUSTOMER.PHONE.NUMBER.3 > 0001: I > 0002: CUSTOMER.PHONE.NUMBER<3> <1,3> extracts the 3rd value from that single attribute. <3> extracts the 3rd attribute, which in this case would yield null. CUSTOMER.PHONE.NUMBER already extracted the 3rd attribute. So it is an array 1 attribute long, but with multivalues. On UD, I think this is customary: 002: EXTRACT( CUSTOMER.PHONE.NUMBER,1,3 ) THE <...> syntax is really an alternate syntax of the EXTRACT function. On UV, after you write your I-descriptor & compile it, DLIST CUSTOMER.FILE CUSTOMER.PHONE.3 will show you what it actually compiles to. That can be illuminating. I think this is beyond your immediate question but: There are other fancier ways to get at multiple associated values aligned across several fields. Generally involves WHEN, BY.EXP, BY.EXP.DSND keywords. You also need to make sure the I descriptors have an M in <6> and a common association name defined in <7>. Regards, cds On 12/27/2013 1:08 PM, Wols Lists wrote: > CUSTOMER.PHONE.NUMBER.3 > 0001: I > 0002: CUSTOMER.PHONE.NUMBER<3> ___ U2-Users mailing list [hidden email] http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://u2-universe-unidata.1073795.n5.nabble.com/Regarding-LISTING-SUB-VALUES-tp42409p42411.html To start a new topic under U2 - Users, email ml-node+s1073795n3...@n5.nabble.com To unsubscribe from U2 (UniVerse & UniData), click here. NAML -- View this message in context: http://u2-universe-unidata.1073795.n5.nabble.com/Regarding-LISTING-SUB-VALUES-tp42409p42413.html Sent from the U2 - Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Accuterm the Web version
No there is a web based version of Accuterm. Not the Editor. The "telnet" if you will, that lets you run the data entry screens, etc. -Original Message- From: Bertrand, Ron [via U2 (UniVerse & UniData)] [via U2 (UniVerse & UniData)] To: Will Johnson Sent: Mon, Dec 23, 2013 12:00 pm Subject: Re: Accuterm the Web version Are you asking about Accuterm's web editor? I have been using it for several years now. We also use their gui environment for in house development of most of our monitoring tools. Ron -Original Message- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Wjhonson Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 11:52 AM To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [U2] Accuterm the Web version My specific request is that I wish to hear from a person who is actually using, as their main way of connecting to the database, the WEB based version of Accuterm. Not just someone who tried it for a day or something. But rather a person who is using it day to day for their normal work. -Original Message- From: Bill Haskett <[hidden email]> To: U2 Users List <[hidden email]> Sent: Mon, Dec 23, 2013 11:28 am Subject: Re: [U2] Accuterm the Web version Were you talking about the version of AccuTerm that runs through a web browser? If so it's a nice product but the user still has to download and install AccuTerm, which works fine over the internet. I can certainly echo the sentiments regarding the quality of AccuTerm products and their wonderful support. If you'd like more information, can you be more specific about what you're looking for. I think your request was a little too general. Bill - Original Message - *From:* [hidden email] *To:* [hidden email] *Date:* 12/23/2013 11:07 AM *Subject:* Re: [U2] Accuterm the Web version > No the original post was to see 1) if anyone is using this web version and 2) to get a testimonial FROM them. > Period. That's all. Anything else you read into it, was not present. > > The purpose of customer testimonials is to get their own personal experience. > That's for what I was looking. Solely. > > > -Original Message- > From: Bruce Decker <[hidden email]> > To: u2-users <[hidden email]> > Sent: Mon, Dec 23, 2013 10:36 am > Subject: Re: [U2] Accuterm the Web version > > > Okay: > Let me try it this way. I've known and worked with Pete for over 25 > years. In ALL of that time, I've found that the quality of his products > are first rate, he does not exaggerate claims (which is what I thought > the original post was suggesting) and if there was an issue (rare) he is > very responsive and quick to resolve the issue. I believe if Pete tells > you something, you can take it to the bank. I think this is helpful > information especially for those who may not know Pete and wonder if > they can rely on information he is providing. > > I should have spelled it out instead of being snarky. My apologies. > -BD > > On 12/23/2013 11:22 AM, Wjhonson wrote: >> Bruce if you don't like this thread, you don't have to respond. >> Please let those of us who want to know these answers discuss it. >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Bruce Decker <[hidden email]> >> To: U2 Users List <[hidden email]> >> Sent: Mon, Dec 23, 2013 10:19 am >> Subject: Re: [U2] Accuterm the Web version >> >> >> Exactly what he means. >> -BD >> On 12/23/2013 11:13 AM, Dave Laansma wrote: >>> Please elaborate. What exactly does Pete say. >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> David Laansma >>> Hubbard Supply Co. >>> Direct: 810-342-7143 >>> Office: 810-234-8681 >>> Fax: 810-234-6142 >>> www.hubbardsupply.com >>> "Delivering Products, Services and Innovative Solutions" >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] >> On Behalf Of Bruce Decker >>> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 12:58 PM >>> To: U2 Users List >>> Subject: Re: [U2] Accuterm the Web version >>> >>> If Pete says it, I believe it. >>> -BD >>> >>> On 12/23/2013 10:52 AM, Wjhonson wrote: >>>> We are using the Accuterm application to telnet into Universe 11 >>>> >>>> I've toyed with the idea of using the Accuterm browser version, does anyone >> here use that ? >>>> I just wonder what are the advantages or disadvantages of that. >>>> >>>> I know what Pete says, I want to hear from a customer though. >>>> ___
Re: [U2] Exporting to File regularly
When you say "fills with junk" what you may be seeing is just that the "end" of
the file is moving forward. So the rest of the file in your view, is really
just stuff that's not garbage-cleaned because Universe knows where the true end
really is, but Windows/Unix doesn't know. So it has no need to space fill or
null fill the leftover ends of files or groups within files. The true end
boundary is marked by a special character, or a pre-known length.
-Original Message-
From: David Campbell [via U2 (UniVerse & UniData)]
To: Will Johnson
Sent: Wed, Dec 11, 2013 2:05 pm
Subject: Re: Exporting to File regularly
Wow, overwhelming response to this question, thank you VERY MUCH for
all of your idea's, I have a lot to process and decide what I can achieve... as
a bit of background that I probably should have included, I am running UniVerse
11.1.9 on an IBM AIX 7.1.1.15 box.
So far Bruce Decker seems to have the most appealing option if I can get it
going, I'm sure I be full of more questions than answers in a few days, I just
hope making this script doesn't make me the go to guy at work when someone
needs weird universe stuff done... *gulp*
Oh and its a database that is populated by a contact form from a secure website
which then alerts the old terminal sessions that this business used in the
past, but since they switched to a web interface for the software and hardly
anyone uses the terminal full time any more the items sit there sometimes for
hours before a response, so yes I want to be spammed by this all day long, and
once it works I can point that spam at a receptionist or two :)
The problem with notifying just on changes, is the file changes every time an
individual reads a record and marks a particular record as "READ" for that user
by removing their name from the "users who have not read this yet" column, the
file size never changes unless it needs to grow and when records are deleted it
simply fills with junk, which I take it is a standard universe thing it does,
at this point the numbers appear sequential but that is best guess sigh.
The vendor is incredibly secretive, they wont tell me how it works and their
NDA says I am not allowed to memorize how their interface works... WTF so YAY
obscure software that we cant leave because we are backed into a corner! /end
rant
Anyway thanks for all the help guys, so glad I found this place!
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Re: [U2] Recommended 11.1.point release to upgrade to.
We are on Universe 11.1.9 on top of Win7 Professional Have been for about a year. -Original Message- From: mbeggs [via U2 (UniVerse & UniData)] To: Will Johnson Sent: Wed, Oct 9, 2013 10:27 am Subject: Re: Recommended 11.1.point release to upgrade to. Were getting ready to upgrade to 11.1.11 from 10.3 release. Were using Win 7. On some of the earlier versions found there were issues with locks. I did test 11.1.11 with a test virtual server, and everything did run successfully. If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://u2-universe-unidata.1073795.n5.nabble.com/Recommended-11-1-point-release-to-upgrade-to-tp41866p41968.html To start a new topic under U2 - Users, email ml-node+s1073795n3...@n5.nabble.com To unsubscribe from U2 (UniVerse & UniData), click here. NAML -- View this message in context: http://u2-universe-unidata.1073795.n5.nabble.com/Recommended-11-1-point-release-to-upgrade-to-tp41866p42009.html Sent from the U2 - Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [OT] Interview Questions
I personally never cared about my employees being on time except for client meetings. Otherwise they can come and go as they want, as long as their working hours, matches their billable hours :) -Original Message- From: Bill Haskett [via U2 (UniVerse & UniData)] To: Will Johnson Sent: Fri, Oct 11, 2013 12:25 pm Subject: Re: [OT] Interview Questions Kevin: After actually hiring a lot of people, and firing those that needed it, I've come to the conclusion that all employers need a person with the following three attributes: 1) An ability, and willingness, to be on-time, 2) An ability, and willingness, to be presentable in all business situations, and 3) An ability, and willingness, to learn what they don't know (which is always a lot!). The people coming out of college these days are mostly unemployable. Today's bachelors degree is like a 1930 8th grade education, or a 1970 high school education. So, no matter what any Human Services dweeb says, getting someone to show up looking presentable and willing to work whatever it takes to learn what they don't know is gold! These kinds of people are quite trainable and, considering all software frameworks have a short shelf life anyway, offer a lot of flexibility for your purposes. Just a thought. :-) Bill - Original Message - *From:* [hidden email] *To:* U2 Users List <[hidden email]> *Date:* 10/11/2013 9:56 AM *Subject:* Re: [U2] [OT] Interview Questions > Unfortunately, in one case I hired a friend. Needless to say, it was one > of the worst decisions I've made. Not only lost a friend, but lost a lot > of customer confidence by her attitude, poor workmanship, and unwillingness > to adapt. > > > On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 7:01 AM, Robert Frailey <[hidden email]>wrote: > >> Wow, seen a lot of that and managers trying to get friends hired to create >> a perfect office society. >> >> >> quit hiring backstabbing chaff >>> with their own agendas. >>> >> Robert >> - Original Message - From: "Kevin King" <[hidden email]> >> To: "Susan Joslyn" <[hidden email]>; "U2 Users List" < >> [hidden email]> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2013 8:07 PM >> >> Subject: Re: [U2] [OT] Interview Questions >> >> >> Susan, yes. I've been very open in my interviews, and it's netted >>> significantly regrettable results. So this time I'm going for people who >>> can get behind and contribute to the common cause as soon after hire as >>> possible. I don't have any aspirations of hiring for life, though I >>> certainly do endeavor to have that kind of an environment for a person who >>> wants that sort of thing. I just need to quit hiring backstabbing chaff >>> with their own agendas. >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 8, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Susan Joslyn <[hidden email]> wrote: >>> >>> Kevin, >>>> Not that I have any real experience - at least not for what seems like a >>>> lifetime - with hiring. But my instinct might be to let the applicant >>>> tell >>>> me whatever they want. You know, just an open ended "Tell me what you >>>> would >>>> like me to know about your skills, your ambitions and your work ethic." >>>> Probably that's an approach you've already tried. >>>> >>>> Susan >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> >>>> From: <mailto:u2-users-bounces@**listserver.u2ug.org<;[hidden email]> >>>> u2-users-bounces@listserver.**u2ug.org<[hidden email]>[ >>>> <mailto:u2-users-bounces@**listserver.u2ug.org<;[hidden email]> >>>> mailto:u2-users-bounces@**listserver.u2ug.org<;[hidden email]>] >>>> On Behalf Of Leverett, >>>> Brendon >>>> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, 8 October 2013 1:40 PM >>>> >>>> To: U2 Users List >>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [U2] [OT] Interview Questions >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Interviewer: What is one of your weak points? >>>> >>>> Applicant: My honesty. >>>> >>>> Interviewer: I would have thought that was a strong point. >>>> >>>> Applicant: I don't give a %^&* what you think you stupid ^&^%$ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> &
Re: [U2] Interesting....
Is BREAK=NULL what you expected to see ?
-Original Message-
From: George Gallen-2 [via U2 (UniVerse & UniData)]
To: Will Johnson
Sent: Wed, Oct 2, 2013 10:46 am
Subject: Re: Interesting
>PTERM DISPLAY (RUNNING UV 10.0.2)
MODEEMULATE
CC INTR= ^C QUIT= ^\ SUSP= OFF DSUSP = OFF
SWITCH = OFF ERASE = ^H WERASE = OFF KILL= ^U
LNEXT = OFF REPRINT = OFF EOF = ^D EOL = ^@
EOL2= ^@ FLUSH = OFF START = ^Q STOP= ^S
LCONT = ^_ FMC = ^^ VMC = ^] SMC = ^\
TMC = ^T SQLNULL = ^N
INPUTCTLOFF
CARRIER RECEIVE -HANGUP -LOCAL
CASE-UCIN -UCOUT -XCASE -INVERT
CRMODE -INLCR -IGNCR ICRNL ONLCR -OCRNL -ONOCR -ONLRET -CRONLY
DELAY BS0 CR0 FF0 LF0 VT0 TAB0 -FILL
ECHOECHO ERASE=BSB KILL=LF CTRL -LF
HANDSHAKE XON -ANY -TANDEM -DTR
OUTPUT POST -TILDE -BG CS -EXPAND
PROTOCOLLINE=0 BAUD=9600 DATA=8 STOP=1 NONE DISABLE -STRIP
SIGNALS ENABLE FLUSH BREAK=NULL
-Original Message-
From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Wjhonson
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2013 1:23 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [U2] Interesting
The INTR.KEY in the VOC is not the only thing controlling breaking behaviour.
It specifies the maximum level of ability, not the minimum, it can be
overridden.
However, please type PTERM DISPLAY at TCL and post the results for us to review.
That is your first step, before we get more technical.
-Original Message-
From: George Gallen <[hidden email]>
To: U2 Users List <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wed, Oct 2, 2013 10:20 am
Subject: Re: [U2] Interesting
Yes...
The only time I've not had the "D" option, is when I break from a VOC
Which is expected, since you can't debug a VOC.
So, why would the D option not appear when you break from a basic program?
Whenit does when you break from an input
it does when another program is in a loop
just this program in this loop it did not appear
And it wasn't executing a SELECT that was taking a long time or something, then
That would be like breaking out of a VOC
George
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Re: [U2] Recommended 11.1.point release to upgrade to.
We are on 11.1.9, have been for about a year, and I haven't noticed any issues at all. Of course we're not using any of the new fangled kids stuff. Just the old fart's package. -Original Message- From: Charles Stevenson-2 [via U2 (UniVerse & UniData)] To: Will Johnson Sent: Tue, Sep 24, 2013 2:29 pm Subject: Recommended 11.1.point release to upgrade to. We're finally going to upgrade from 10.2.10 to 11.1.[something]. But which point release? We're on Win2003. (Linux next year. Baby steps.) ReleaseDate Issues 11.1.13 Sept 2013 3 brand new. 11.1.12 June 201338 rescinded 11.1.11 Mar 201330 Metadata Manager introduced. 11.1.10 Dec 2012 66 11.1.9 May2012 75 11.1.8 ? 2 11.1.7Dec 2011 3 11.1.6? 4 11.1.5Nov 2011 42 11.1.4Aug 2011 17 11.1.3Jun 2011 17 11.1.2May 2011 29 11.1.1Feb 2011 45 11.1.0? 23 I generally tend to not be an early adopter when the major release first comes out unless it has a new functionality that I have a strong business need for. The later point releases tend to be bug fixes, so I am more prone to get them sooner rather than wait. In this case though, we have new functionality, Metadata Manager, introduced at 11.1.11. Are many users on 11.1.11? Happy? If i understand correctly, 11.1.12 was pulled off the market because of a bug that was fixed in 11.1.13, which just came out. So not much experience in the wild with these 2. Which one did / would you choose to upgrade to 11.1? TIA Chuck Stevenson ___ U2-Users mailing list [hidden email] http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://u2-universe-unidata.1073795.n5.nabble.com/Recommended-11-1-point-release-to-upgrade-to-tp41866.html To start a new topic under U2 - Users, email ml-node+s1073795n3...@n5.nabble.com To unsubscribe from U2 (UniVerse & UniData), click here. NAML -- View this message in context: http://u2-universe-unidata.1073795.n5.nabble.com/Recommended-11-1-point-release-to-upgrade-to-tp41866p41867.html Sent from the U2 - Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] No mail
Huh? I'm responding by GOING to the U2 Archives forum.
Not responding to the email list, which still isn't coming to my inbox,
including this message.
The forum subscription appears to be working now for me, but I only signed up
there because the email list stopped working.
-Original Message-
From: Tony Gravagno-3 [via U2 (UniVerse & UniData)]
To: Will Johnson
Sent: Mon, Sep 23, 2013 3:26 pm
Subject: Re: No mail
I'm getting mails for this thread, nothing else seems to be going to
the list at the moment except for the TU.TO.EXCEL discussion last week
and the Colorado job.
http://listserver.u2ug.org/pipermail/u2-users/2013-September/date.html
Nothing like a scare about mail not getting through to stop people
from sending mail, eh?
Or, ya know it's possible that people just don't have anything to say
at the moment.
I dunno how you can be getting zero emails from the list - you've been
responding to recent postings...
Shall we just assume it's business as usual here and that the stutter
with your own personal email has now passed?
> From: Will Johnson
> Are you saying you got the emails? Cause I'm still getting ZERO
emails
> from the list, for over a week now.
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Re: [U2] No mail
Are you saying you got the emails? Cause I'm still getting ZERO emails from the list, for over a week now. -- View this message in context: http://u2-universe-unidata.1073795.n5.nabble.com/No-mail-tp41844p41860.html Sent from the U2 - Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] TU.TO.EXCEL path
What's your terminal emulator? Or does SB+ have it's own included emulator? -- View this message in context: http://u2-universe-unidata.1073795.n5.nabble.com/Re-TU-TO-EXCEL-path-tp41846p41854.html Sent from the U2 - Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] No mail
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Re: [U2] [JOB] in Colorado ?
Thanks Kevin, now I can add the city location to my list. For the others who responded, that link had *two* job ads. I was referring to the second one listed as Kevin found. -- View this message in context: http://u2-universe-unidata.1073795.n5.nabble.com/JOB-in-Colorado-tp41839p41845.html Sent from the U2 - Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] PC based UniBasic program editor for 64 bit OS
I know I haven't ever posted in here before ... I just lurk and read all the responses. I've actually used mvDeveloper and it works on a 64-bit OS though it is a bit quirky. I've used WED with Accuterm and it works GREAT on a 64-bit OS - this is my preferred method. I use Notepad++ occasionally, but I don't have a syntax file that can be used for UniBasic. Also not sure where to get one, so if someone can post a link, that would be great. I haven't used the Rocket one ... I have started the download and then read the part about Eclipse... don't have that installed :P. Oh well, maybe later. Thanks for all the great advice and info, keep it coming. Will Goodwin (Pick Noob - cut my teeth reading Doug Chanco programs. Hi Doug! ) ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Pick programmer needed contract or full time
If you don't find your "on-site" I can do all the support you need from my office as I have done for the City of Houston for over six years. Have a blessed day, Patrick 919 567-0042 Carol Carmen wrote: We are a mega church located in Tulsa, OK. We are looking for an on-site Pick/UniVerse programmer for a full time position or contract work. Please send resume to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or, mail resume to: Church on the Move Attn: Carol Carmen 1003 N 129th E Ave Tulsa, OK 74116 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: OFFLISTRE: [U2] NJ UV opportunity
What does "list Troll" mean?
Will Williams
Dan Fitzgerald wrote:
Hmm... Will is something of a list Troll. Caveat Emptor.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of MAJ Programming
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Subject: [U2] NJ UV opportunity
Could Dave Rosen or anyone give me back the particulars on this opportunity
in
NJ.
I deleted the emails and then I found someone who's interested.
Thanks
Mark Johnson
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Re: [U2] ABAP SAP
What! Can this be true! The secret to the success of the SAP programs is the COmon Business Oriented Langugae of the 1960's! Is this why they call their users group SAPS? Will Ross Ferris wrote: Ahhh - you want to get to the REAL programming language, then you will have to access the COBOL submerged in the bowels of ABAP ! Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage > Better by Design! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-u2- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allen E. Elwood Sent: Friday, 15 June 2007 2:13 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] List of MV Database Experts As someone who bought a copy of ABAP/4 programming for the SAP system just to see what it was all about, I can answer a emphatic NO! It's the worst thing I've ever seen in my life. They may be able to make more money, but this is NOT programming as you and I know it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of will Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 08:07 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] List of MV Database Experts Is there a list of MV experts reachable via the Internet? I am thinking that such list would give name or company name and contact information along with number of years with MV and perhaps flavors as well as applications. This would provide an on-line source for help, especially in geographical areas where that help is sparse. If the number of MV users in rising as indicated in some of the messages on this list, we might all gain new business. If the reverse is true, then we can see that it is time to jump ship and learn SAP (Are the Germans winning the software wars?). Such a list of course raises the fear that employers will see the competition between us and try to drive down consulting fees and wages (can they get any lower?). However, I think that the difficulties managing off-shore programming and poor quality may have taught some of the employers a bitter lesson as to what "cheap" really means. Of course there will always be those whose attitude is similar to the man with a brain tumor who found a "certified" surgeon who would remove it for $29.95/hour including travel time. Comments are invited directly and I will report them to all Patrick "Will" Williams Patrick J. Williams, President AMERICAN COMPUTER TECHNICS, INC. www.americancomputertechnics.com Raleigh, NC 919 567-0042 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Unified Marketing [AD]
Charles, Thank you for saying this is useful. Rather that move it to U2-anything I would prefer that consultants and small MV businesses who participate in U2 and who are interested in unified marketing simply contact me directly. Thank you, Will Patrick J. Williams, President AMERICAN COMPUTER TECHNICS, INC. www.americancomputertechnics.com Raleigh, NC 919 567-0042 Moderator wrote: All, This is useful, but not technical. That sounds like the ideal topic for U2-Community. Please continue it there. - Charles Barouch, Moderator --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] List of MV Database Experts
Maby Kevin's list was pre-Internet, at any rate it didn't even make an indelible mark with the "listees" . An effective list would need to be advertised, on-line and in front of all vendors of MV database/development software and related production, systemic or applications software. Will Colin Jennings wrote: Is there a list of MV experts reachable via the Internet? I am thinking that such list would give name or company name and contact information along with number of years with MV and perhaps flavors as well as applications. This would provide an on-line source for help, especially in geographical areas where that help is sparse. Kevin King had a list somewhere, I can't remember whether it was for MV or SB+ professionals, but I was definitely on it and it raised a few calls - though no money unfortunately! Col. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] List of MV Database Experts
Is there a list of MV experts reachable via the Internet? I am thinking that such list would give name or company name and contact information along with number of years with MV and perhaps flavors as well as applications. This would provide an on-line source for help, especially in geographical areas where that help is sparse. If the number of MV users in rising as indicated in some of the messages on this list, we might all gain new business. If the reverse is true, then we can see that it is time to jump ship and learn SAP (Are the Germans winning the software wars?). Such a list of course raises the fear that employers will see the competition between us and try to drive down consulting fees and wages (can they get any lower?). However, I think that the difficulties managing off-shore programming and poor quality may have taught some of the employers a bitter lesson as to what "cheap" really means. Of course there will always be those whose attitude is similar to the man with a brain tumor who found a "certified" surgeon who would remove it for $29.95/hour including travel time. Comments are invited directly and I will report them to all Patrick "Will" Williams Patrick J. Williams, President AMERICAN COMPUTER TECHNICS, INC. www.americancomputertechnics.com Raleigh, NC 919 567-0042 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] New UV system
Mark, We just went through a conversion from a UV box and can help you if you haven't already been overwhelmed by responses. Contact me at 919 567-0042 or at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Will American Computer Technics, Inc. MAJ Programming wrote: All: I have a client running UV on SCO on a 486/Pentium-1 looking box. They would like to move everything to a contemporary box. While I don't create systems, I would like some suggestions on which kind of W2000-class server to hold a 5 user version of UV. I don't want to switch databases to UD or D3 etc as the $ isn't there for the conversion (me). Unless absolutely imperative, I do not want a unix-based system. I would also be in the market for some phone-based assistance on the backup as it's done through an automated process in the UV app and I'm not that familiar with UV/UD backups or restores. One thing I would like would be to resize (down) most of the data files. I think it is a dds4 tape. I'm even game for a gently-used smaller system. Thanks in advance Mark Johnson --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] [AD]
Many of the U2 list subscribers are people like us (American Computer Technics, Inc) who contract their services to companies who use IBM's Universe and Unidata products... or companies who might be introduced to those products. Would any of those mentioned be interested in doing some combination advertising? Would IBM be interested? Perhaps we are unaware of programs already in existence for such services. Please contact me, Patrick "Will" Williams, if anyone has an interest in such a project. Sincerely, Patrick J. Williams, President AMERICAN COMPUTER TECHNICS, INC. www.americancomputertechnics.com Raleigh, NC 919 567-0042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: MV Books (Formerly: [U2] Incubator - News from the board)
Thanks for the stats. Are most of those clients in CA? Will MAJ Programming wrote: I'll show my cards: I maintain existing MV environments. I have roughly 15 active clients with another 30 that have come and gone. The average length of these relationships is 8-10 years. Except for one, I did not create nor write their original application. I inherited an existing application set and am the "Current Cook in the Kitchen", keeping the ball rolling. All but 2 of my clients are orphaned from their original VAR. For those with current VAR relationships, I merely provide supplemental output programming that doesn't alter the VAR items. The majority of my clients are private businesses, under 100M US. Their flavors range from Microdata, Mentor, AP-Pro, D3-NT, D3-AIX, UD-AIX, UD-Solaris, UV-AIX, UV-Sco and one is an MS-Access app. Their industries range from manu, dist, publications, security, theater management, HVAC, Public Housing and memberships. Their user counts range from single to 60 users, with the median being around 30. None are technology companies. The publication ones do integrate MV output for desktop publishing (Quark) for eventual publication. I am not a programmer working for a single end user (been there, done that). I am not anyone's IT guy as most have network managers or outside IT consultants. I can't even spell TCP/IP. I am not a programmer working for a vertical market VAR with software to sell. I don't sell software.I sell solutions. Just me and (look at your hands) my 10 employees. None of my client's non-VAR software is capable of being marketted to another company. It's either too old or too customized for that individual client. 2 of my D3 clients had dictated that all new programs are done in Accuterm's GUI environment. Most others don't see the need and widely accept green screens. I do hundreds of custom CSV/HTML downloads/uploads, data conversions, ftp automations, EDI processing, web up/down loads and other external data sharing. Virtually all of my clients non-IT people think java means coffee, a perl is what you get from a clam and ASP means do it now. Let the flames begin Mark Johnson - Original Message - From: "Mike Randall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2007 11:37 PM Subject: RE: MV Books (Formerly: [U2] Incubator - News from the board) Mark, My comments to your post would be one of what is your real business? I think maximizing billable hours from a consulting standpoint is very different than building viable software solutions for today's market. I have a couple of green screen guys myself that love their 10+ year old app and are reluctant/too price sensitive to rush into changing it. What I get from each of them is increased need to do more 'modern' things based on competitors or new business requirement where integration to other things is a requirement (web and MS Office are the most common). As the new request come in, I use the opportunity to modernize the environment wherever possible. I would think one way if my goal was generating hours and quite another if my goal was developing software. I would think that every MV software company out there has dumped or is trying to dump their green screen. If they don't, they flat out won't be able to sell it. Mike Randall, MCP -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MAJ Programming Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 7:22 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: MV Books (Formerly: [U2] Incubator - News from the board) All: I'm no stranger to voicing my observed professional opinion regarding MV (or other topics) to see where my opinions lie with everyone else. Perhaps I'm fortunate in that my 15 or so clients are pretty content with their current MV systems, despite how far out of the 'norm' they may be. While I speak for myself, I'm sure that the accumulated opinion of my clients still bodes well for their green screens. None are in technical businesses. A few are in manufacturing, publishing, distribution and other tangible businesses. Theirs is a gradual evolution in that new ideas may take a while before they can be applied to their companies. As many will offer flames, I cannot pepper every conversation with my clients on the latest and greatest technologies. I've been down that road and it ain't as easy as many of the others on this forum may expect. This may throw down the gauntlet as many may feel that I'm dropping the ball and not being the best for my clients. How can I be doing such a bad thing for my clients when my average tenure with them is 10 years and I pretty much remain until they get acquired or go out of business. Only 2 exist that have retired their MV systems for something else. I don&#x
Re: [U2] Users of UniVerse
Maybe our star is beginning to rise again. You just cannot keep a good idea down! 8-) Brutzman, Bill wrote: The original eMail did not say "new" sites. The eMail said annual sales. I cannot vouch the dollar amount. I beleive that I heard it a few years ago at an IBM U2 product update in NYC perhaps one year after the Informix takeover. We pay a few thousand in yearly maintenance. Yes... I wish that we were in greater demand. --Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of will Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 5:23 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Users of UniVerse If IBM is selling 100 Million in new Universe sites why are we not seeing more demands for Universe Basic Programmers? Will Brutzman, Bill wrote: Dave: We have used UniVerse as our mainstay business system since 1984. Our business is stamping metal parts for mostly automobile manufacturers, like General Motors. We have been in business for approx eighty years. We have approx 40 people. Our annual sales is approx seven million. I have gathered that IBM annual sales of U2 products is $100 million. We like UniVerse a lot. We expect to be on UniVerse... forever. Regards, Bill Brutzman, Mgr, IT HK MetalCraft Mfg Corp PO Box 775 35 Industrial Road Lodi NJ 07644 973.471.7770 x145 .voice 973.471.9666 .fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Liesse, Dave Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 9:29 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Users of UniVerse Hi, all. My sales group has a need to convince some prospects that real companies do, indeed, use UniVerse. Naturally and logically, there are no references on the IBM web site. I've been tasked with coming up with the names of a few UniVerse users - no contacts, just companies. If any of you is willing to let it be known that your employer uses UV, please respond as soon as possible. Of course, this was a last-minute request, so I don't have time to go through the normal channels to get reference lists. Again, I emphasize that we're NOT looking for contact information, and it's doubtful anyone will even think of trying to get in touch with you; we're just facing the usual concern that UV is a minor product at which real companies turn up their noses and sniff haughtily before they go off and use a real system like SQL Server. Dave Liesse Quality Manager SS&C Technologies, Inc. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of Brutzman, Bill.vcf] --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Users of UniVerse
If IBM is selling 100 Million in new Universe sites why are we not seeing more demands for Universe Basic Programmers? Will Brutzman, Bill wrote: Dave: We have used UniVerse as our mainstay business system since 1984. Our business is stamping metal parts for mostly automobile manufacturers, like General Motors. We have been in business for approx eighty years. We have approx 40 people. Our annual sales is approx seven million. I have gathered that IBM annual sales of U2 products is $100 million. We like UniVerse a lot. We expect to be on UniVerse... forever. Regards, Bill Brutzman, Mgr, IT HK MetalCraft Mfg Corp PO Box 775 35 Industrial Road Lodi NJ 07644 973.471.7770 x145 .voice 973.471.9666 .fax [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Liesse, Dave Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 9:29 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Users of UniVerse Hi, all. My sales group has a need to convince some prospects that real companies do, indeed, use UniVerse. Naturally and logically, there are no references on the IBM web site. I've been tasked with coming up with the names of a few UniVerse users - no contacts, just companies. If any of you is willing to let it be known that your employer uses UV, please respond as soon as possible. Of course, this was a last-minute request, so I don't have time to go through the normal channels to get reference lists. Again, I emphasize that we're NOT looking for contact information, and it's doubtful anyone will even think of trying to get in touch with you; we're just facing the usual concern that UV is a minor product at which real companies turn up their noses and sniff haughtily before they go off and use a real system like SQL Server. Dave Liesse Quality Manager SS&C Technologies, Inc. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of Brutzman, Bill.vcf] --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Users of UniVerse
Who spent those millions? Who would you talk to about such a story? Will Anthony Youngman wrote: Reynolds & Reynolds? Look on the u2ug web site - you might find the story there. They spent MILLIONS converting their product to SQL-Server, and the SQL version floated about as well as a lead balloon. They ended up scrapping it. Cheers, Wol -Original Message- From: Mark Eastwood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 27 April 2007 15:19 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Users of UniVerse Lots of Auto Dealerships (don't remember vendor, ADP?) --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Users of UniVerse
Was the SAS you listed as a Universe user the privately held corporation headquartered here in Cary/Raleigh North Carolina? If so that's pretty impressive because they are the largest privately held IT corp in the world with sales of 1.9 Billion U.S. Dollars per year! Will Patrick J. "Will" Williams, President AMERICAN COMPUTER TECHNICS, INC. www.americancomputertechnics.com Raleigh, NC 919 567-0042 Symeon Breen wrote: I think William hill are on Unidata IF Unidata names are of any use there is Trailfinders, SAS, Aer Lingus, Virgin Atlantic, STA travel, South African Airways, Travelbag + many other airline and travel corporations all have Unidata as part of their applications. Rgds Symeon. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Anthony Youngman Sent: 27 April 2007 15:18 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Users of UniVerse Have William Hill dropped UniVerse now? They used it as the back end to their on-line betting, I believe. If they're still using it, they're a good site to quote as they are one of the big UK bookmakers. Cheers, Wol -Original Message- From: Charles Barouch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 27 April 2007 14:55 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Users of UniVerse Dave, Here's a few: The New York Botanical Garden, CMP Media, Standard & Poors. - Chuck --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] U2 / Cache
The on-line demo of Cache looked good to me. What I didn't like the almost immediate sales call after the down load. The bloke who called demanded to know everything about my company and its products and everything I had done or ever might do in using their product and refused to give me a price. Do you have a price for a license? Does anyone have it actually performing? Thanks, Will Nick Cipollina wrote: We are evaluating Cache. I really like it. Thanks, Nick Cipollina -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of will Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 1:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [U2] U2 / mv.net Has there been an evaluation of Cache on this list? Will Nick Cipollina wrote: We are using C#, and that is because we are a C# shop. At the moment we are not using mv.Net, although we have evaluated the product. It is a nice product. Thanks, Nick Cipollina -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Hammerle Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 11:30 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [U2] U2 / mv.net Hello Nick, I think the main reason we are using VB ( vb.NET ) with mv.Net is that we have some people with a lot of VB experience but little to none C# experience. Which language are you using or planning to use? And are you using mv.NET? Thanks, George Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 08:40:02 -0400 From: "Nick Cipollina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [U2] U2 / mv.net Hello, I'm curious, how many of you that are using .Net are using VB as opposed to C#? And why? Thanks, Nick Cipollina --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Launching UV via HP-Ux
Apparently that kicks off the code that emulates a native Universe environment. You can put it into your login script. Or include /usr/ibm/uv/bin in $PATH if you want to do the #uv at login. Brutzman, Bill wrote: 1. Why do I have to do the command... #exec /usr/ibm/uv/bin/uv 2. Why does it not work when doing... #cd /usr/ibm/uv/bin #uv sh: uv: not found. # 3. Is there a batch command that will work? Suggestions would be appreciated. --Bill --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] U2 / mv.net
Has there been an evaluation of Cache on this list? Will Nick Cipollina wrote: We are using C#, and that is because we are a C# shop. At the moment we are not using mv.Net, although we have evaluated the product. It is a nice product. Thanks, Nick Cipollina -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Hammerle Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 11:30 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [U2] U2 / mv.net Hello Nick, I think the main reason we are using VB ( vb.NET ) with mv.Net is that we have some people with a lot of VB experience but little to none C# experience. Which language are you using or planning to use? And are you using mv.NET? Thanks, George Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2007 08:40:02 -0400 From: "Nick Cipollina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: [U2] U2 / mv.net Hello, I'm curious, how many of you that are using .Net are using VB as opposed to C#? And why? Thanks, Nick Cipollina --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] Thank you PRINTERS helpers
Once again I am on the receiving end of the giving nature of all of those who live in the cyberspace called u2-users, and I am grateful to those who responded so quickly and elegantly to the printers on Jetdirect/AIX: Karl, Craig, Laure, and JayJay. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] Bruce Nichol
A human being has passed from the Earth and from our cyberspace world, and we mourn his passing as a real person and as a helper in our community... a community of faces that we rarely see, but as John Donne wrote long ago, "Everyman's death diminishes me, for I am involved in mankind, Send therefore not to know for whom the bell tolls, it tolls for thee." Will --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] PRINTERS getting set up using Jet Direct/AIX
Anyone know the appropriate steps to setting up a new network printer using Jet Direct with AIX under Universe? Thanks and a tip of the hat to any daring responders, Will --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] FreeBSD Guru
Charles, Does this person have to do the work on-site? I am interested... getting tired of holding this cardboard sign in the middle of the traffic island. ;-) Patrick "Will" Williams Raleigh, NC 919 567-0042 Charles Barouch wrote: All, I have a client running UniVerse on Linux and on Windows. They have several non-MV systems, including one running on FreeBSD. For a number of reasons, I don't want to be the fallback guy they call when the FreeBSD admin is sick, overloaded, or on vacation. So, I'm looking for a list of people to give them. If any of you know someone (or are someone) who they should have on that list, please let me know. I don't know hom much work it will generate, when it'll generate work, or even if it'll generate work, but you can't win if you don't enter. Charles Barouch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) www.KeyAlly.com (718) 762-3884 x 1 P. O. Box 540957, Queens, NY 11354 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] printers
Does anyone know or know where to find documentation on printers. Not just the SP.ASSIGN and SET.PTR types of verbs, but the actual link from cable to print command? A kind of trace from hardware, through operating system (unix/linux), on to Universe and Basic. What are the handoffs from data out to spooler to buffer? Will --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] OT Employment: Will work for food or manye
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Re: [U2] OT Employment: Will work for food or manye
THANKS! Both for your caring attitude and the ideas. I have my resume posted on some boards but didn't know there was one for MV... or do you mean on the U2 list? Kind regards, Will Charles Barouch wrote: Will, Willing to post your resume? If you want people to help, it might help if they knew some of the details that make you worth promoting. Also, as I just said in the Selling MV class I did at Spectrum: "Sometimes you need to come in the door as the MS Office Trainer, the Network Guru, etc." You may need to get in the door with secondary skills and help a new shop convert to MV once they have faith in your opinions. - Chuck will wrote: Looks like I am losing my last major contract and nothing new is developing in the MV world locally or telecommute. If you have any leads you could help keep another disenfranchised MV professional off the streets... :-) Take care, Will --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] OT Employment: Will work for food or manye
Looks like I am losing my last major contract and nothing new is developing in the MV world locally or telecommute. If you have any leads you could help keep another disenfranchised MV professional off the streets... :-) Take care, Will --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] OT:Employment
Is this the fate of all of us or is the glass half full? Anthony Dzikiewicz wrote: Hi all, If anyone knows of an open position in the Providence/Boston area, I would appreciate a heads up. My company was bought and I will soon be out of a job. Thanks Anthony Dzikiewicz Alperts Furniture --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Advantage
Thanks for the reply Francis and others. I just learned this morning that this system was developed in the US and is a version 1.0 with many years of modifications and the company that produced it abandoned it years ago! Looking forward to the challenge. Will Francis Bennett wrote: Hi Will, If you are referring to the package developed in Australia by Clegg Driscoll (later Sanderson CDC) the rights are now held by Meier Busuiness Systems in Melbourne. There is no "knowledge base" other than the included documentation (which is not bad in most areas). I was part of the development team, and I still support two sites in Sydney, so maybe I can help. Regards, Francis - Original Message - From: "will" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 9:24 AM Subject: [U2] Advantage Anyone have a knowledge base regarding the Advantage accounting system? Will --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] Advantage
Anyone have a knowledge base regarding the Advantage accounting system? Will --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] record recovery
Thanks John, Unfortunately the version of "sam" that we are using for backup/restore doesn't offer a target option for the file you wish to recover... or I am just ignorant of how to designate it. I can't even do a "sel-restore". It's the full Monte or nothing! In a last ditch effort this morning I restored from another tape (Thursday night's backup) and then copied the OVER.30 and DATA.30 files that were saved to spindle u3, to their counterparts on the restored u1 spindle, and for the most part had my records recovered... other than those alluded to in my email to Martin which were munched. There is a movement afoot to move the entire system to new hardware and software in 1st quarter 2007 so the whole issue of backup utilities will be traded for something new and unfamiliar with its own uniqueness. Will John Hester wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of will Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2006 4:02 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] record recovery Thanks John, I have a .Type30 file in he ALP directory which has a size of zero. I am wondering if anyone knows just what use that .Type30 file is. There must be some way to check the integrity of the DATA.30 and OVER.30 files. I am also wondering if the index was corrupted. The only backup tape that I have to recover from now is one from Thursday evening! The client will have to reenter all of Friday's work if this file cannot be fixed. I am sure they will not be amused! :-[ Will Will, it sounds like it's time to call IBM support if you haven't already. As Martin pointed out, if any UV process had access to the file at any time during either mv operation, the file could be corrupted. The OS is happy to copy a file and delete its contents while it's actively being written to, and a copy/delete operation is what mv does when the target is on another filesystem. I realize this is little help for this issue - but I'd suggest restoring to a directory other than the location of a production file in the future. Moving production data around is inherently risky, and IMHO should never be done. In the future, I'd restore to someplace like /tmp/ALP, create a VOC entry with a name like ALP.TEMP and contents: F /tmp/ALP D_ALP I'm not familiar with the backup utility you mentioned, but there should be some way to redirect data to an alternate location during a restore. If not, you might want to look for a better utility. In any case, hope all goes well with your current restoration efforts, and sorry I couldn't be of more help. -John --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] record recovery
Thanks Martin, The system was closed down for the weekend ( only us fool IT people work on the weekend. ;-) ) and everyone is "supposed" to sign off but I did not make a bed-check to see if someone might have left their port up and the file open... my oversight. Good thing I am not a test pilot! I was able to "grep" for some known records today and found them intact. Even found some that were supposedly moved off that file! But there were also records with the # character in inappropriate places which looked like corruption did take place. Thanks for the information on the .Type30 use. I could not find any information of that or how a type 30 file is structured. Do you know of an Internet source or other source for that info? Will Martin Phillips wrote: Hi Will, The .Type30 is a marker that tells UV that the directory is a dynamic file, not a type 19 file (which has no marker). There is a similar marker in a type 1 file named (as you might expect) .Type1. This is a zero length item - it is just the presence of the directory entry that matters. Your restore approach sounds fine to me and should have worked. I have seen an interesting corruption caused by a user moving/replacing a file while it was open to UV - a process which Unix/Linux allows for some strange reason. Are you sure that the file was not open in UV when you did all this? Martin Phillips Ladybridge Systems Ltd 17b Coldstream Lane, Hardingstone, Northampton, NN4 6DB +44-(0)1604-709200 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] record recovery
Thanks John, I have a .Type30 file in he ALP directory which has a size of zero. I am wondering if anyone knows just what use that .Type30 file is. There must be some way to check the integrity of the DATA.30 and OVER.30 files. I am also wondering if the index was corrupted. The only backup tape that I have to recover from now is one from Thursday evening! The client will have to reenter all of Friday's work if this file cannot be fixed. I am sure they will not be amused! :-[ Will John Jenkins wrote: Will If you think the .Type30 file is missing then in the dynamic file directory: touch .Type30 This will create the file if it doesn't exist. You can check (both before and after) by using the "a" option on "ls" - e.g.: ls -al (directory name or path) .Type30 DATA.30 OVER.30 Regards JayJay --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] record recovery
Martin,
Thanks for your reply.
The first thing that I did within the unix shell was to "mv
/u1/GV18/ALP /u3/GV18/ALP".
I then restored the /u1/GV18/ALP from tape.
Extracting the one record from the ALP recoverd file file was done in
Universe with "COPY FROM ALP TO TMP recordname".
I then deleted the /u1/GV18/ALP directory files on spindle u1,
including .Type30 and the directory ALP itself.
Next I did "mv /u3/GV18/ALP /u1/GV18/ALP.
Are you indicating that the .Type30 file was not moved along with its
related DATA.30 and OVER.30 files or was corrupted?
Will
Martin Phillips wrote:
Hi Will,
A UV dynamic file is stored as a directory containing *three*
items, DATA.30, OVER.30 and a hidden file named .Type30. The hidden
file is an essential part of the structure and if you copy only the
non-hidden files, you will end up with a directory file containing
two very large and totally useless records.
You do not say how you extracted just the one record. That would be
useful to know..
Martin Phillips
Ladybridge Systems Ltd
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[U2] record recovery
I just recovered a record which was part of a type 30 file called ALP, from a backup tape. First I moved the unix files in the directory called ALP off of spindle u1 to u3 using the unix "mv" command and then used "sam" to bring in the old ALP file onto the u1 spindle. Then I copied the record that had been lost to a temporaty file. Next I deleted the ALP files from u1 and then moved the ones from u3 back to u1. Problem is that now when I try to LIST ALP I get only one record! =-O I have at the unix level looked at the ALP directory which contains the .Type30, DATA.30 and OVER.30 files and those last two are significantly larger than one record, and using the unix command "tail" on DATA.30 or OVER.30 there is significant quantities of data. Indeed the byte counts are the same as there were before the moves. Any help is appreciated. Patrick --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Access to IBM knowledgebase for in-house developers
Brian and Charles have the interests of the user in mind in this argument and it would seem obvious that the vendor, IBM, and its sales channels would too. So... what is wrong with our thinking or theirs. The "Knowledge is Power" argument is really "Knowledge is Money". I invite you to correct this syllogism if you see an error. IBM wants to sell U2 (Are we sure of that?), Vars do all of the selling for IBM making money for IBM. (Do they?) Vars want to sell both the IBM products and their own services which depend on knowledge. Vars are the competition for the independent consultant who is also in the knowledge business. But, the Independent consultants never send money to IBM! Who will IBM want to keep happy? To win access to the knowledge you must find a way to put money in the pockets of Big Blue... or threaten to remove current and future income streams. Knowledge is power, but power is also in unions and buyer's groups if you take the path of force. On the other had, diplomacy might win the day if IBM can see some way to make more money selling U2 software through Independents, or by bundling it with hardware, or by giving it away and selling their own services (we could be sub-contractors to IBM). The net-net is that IBM's divisions have to make their numbers... or the guy/gal at the top gets the ax. If what you want adds to IBM's income or keeps it from drying up, you win. If not... well, the Bard said it better that I can, "...it is a tale... ...full of sound and fury, signifying nothing." Patrick Williams, President American Computer Technics, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This isn't really a function of a user group, is it? It's solely an individual user/VAR/IBM function, and I firmly believe the VAR has some rights to preclude access if the VAR deems it prudent. Why ? The end user is buying the product - and they should have access to make full use of it. That sort of protectiveness just masks a laziness on the part o f the VAR: are they worried their users might end up knowing more than they do, or start looking at what their VARs are actually supplying in terms of systems and service too closely? If the VARs are really adding value, they won't have anything to fear. If they aren't - they should get off their backsides and start doing so. The worst outcome is the 'little knowledge' syndrome, where users end up catchi ng bits and pieces from other sources without having access to the background i nformation to apply it safely. If I buy an SQL Server based application, I can still get to the huge Microsoft knowledge base. It's that kind of dark-ages thinking that holds us all back. Brian --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] The Next Big Thing
Charles, Thanks for all your hard work and getting out this proposal. As a long time salesman and technical support person under my company banner, American Computer Technics, Inc., I can see that what you are proposing will benefit everyone in the MV community. My concern is that IBM's U2 group will see IBM's benefits... clearly, and as something that they can sell to get funding from their management. Since I have not followed this closely until now I am ignorant of the features, advantages and benefits that might be included in a list of positives that will make it happen at IBM. However, all negotiations with for-profit corporations must be stated in terms of increased revenue (which should be obvious to the most casual observer). If it is shown to be a sure-thing that IBM will make more money, then the proposal will be a sure-thing to get funded. In addition to my unsolicited sales strategy above, I wanted to confirm that in item 3 you probably are including links to on-line tutorials. Good luck, Patrick J. Williams, President American Computer Technics, Inc. www.americancomputertechnics.com 919 567-0042 Raleigh North Carolina Charles Barouch wrote: All, This will be posted to teh Website to make it findable in the future, but I wanted to psot it o the list for immediate feedback. At the IOD conference, the U2UG board promoted an idea to IBM: given that we need to grow the community, give us what we need to help that happen. We offered a specific plan, which has since been tweaked based on board feedback to IBM's feedback. Below (and soon on the site) is the current iteration of the proposal. We need to finalize it in a hurry, because IBM, Red Hat, and Novell have all expressed strong interest in helping to make this happen. Please read and give detailed (positive and negative) feedback ASAP. U2 Incubator Proposal == The Goal: Create a single download (also distributable as a DVD) which can be provided to colleges, businesses, and other interested parties. We want to see kids leaving college with a background in multi-value. We want to see DB2, Oracle, MySQL, MSSQL, and MS Access Developers looking at U2 as an adjunct technology: something they can use cooperatively along side what they already know. The U2UG has requested that IBM make the following official policy, both internally, and as a statement to the distribution channel: All companies and individuals whom are new to U2, especially those who are coming to the environment due to the above mentioned incubator software package, should be directed to the U2UG for help in getting up to speed. The U2UG is requesting permission from IBM to build and distribute a new all-in-one installer for UniVerse and one for UniData with the following characteristics: 1 - Everything is PE. It will include SB+ PE and other complimentary IBM offerings. 2 - Everything is pre-installed (using a virtual machine image and/or the install is drastically simplified so that one install setup up everything). The person installing the software should be required to set no settings. It should would as installed. 3 - The browser on the virtual machine will be pre-bookmarked with U2UG and IBM pages needed to get a new developer started. In a non-virtual install, the bookmarks should be included as a single page filled with bookmarks. 4 - The ‘knowledge pack’ as specified below is preinstalled. This pack will also be available separately. A. U2UG code representing best practices. B. All manuals, with the pdfs renamed to match the titles, not the IBM part #s. C. All information necessary for the resale of the commercial versions of the PE software will be included. Links to updated information will also be provided. The U2UG and others will be allowed to distribute these all-in-one installs via the web and via DVD or other portable media. It is time for us to stop simply selling existing multi-value developers on the value of switching to the U2 platforms, we need to reach out to new community members. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] [OT] goodbye to the list(s)
As big business lobbies for more 'green card aliens', contracts off-shore and aligns to treat programmers as labor and not professionals our "wages" continue to fall, and that makes all other trades look greener. As programmers, our minds are tied-up for the day with the problem and the solution, while a motorman or other real laborer does have time to daydream, invent or at least sing... Sounds like the good life. And I don't remember any of the mechanics I know spending $40,000 and endless study hours putting themselves through college to get into "information technology"! Programmers of the world, unite! Time for a union? Have a great life. Allen E. Elwood wrote: Wow! That should be a *big* changeGood Luck! After programming for the past 32 years (including school) I don't think I could do anything else..even if I win the Mega-Lotto, I'd *have* to keep on programmingit's what I do. Like the retired mill horse walking circles all day long in the fieldI don't think I could make that change. btw, what does a motorman do? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Claus Derlien Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 05:00 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] [OT] goodbye to the list(s) Alas it is my turn to shift focus - starting from next week i will no longer be a programmer, instead i will start a new career as a motorman onboard an oilrig in the northsea So i would just wish you all luck and prosperity in the u2 business.. For the last time best regards from Denmark Claus Derlien programmer --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Oh for pity sake!
I was happy to see it. Glad someone is actually making some proposals. Will Stevenson, Charles wrote: I sent a really reeally rough 1st draft to the u2-list where I was supposed to send it to the U2UG board. It was one of those cases where I realized what I was doing as my finger descended on the mouse button to SEND, but not soon enough to get the message to my finger to back off. I made a dive to rip the cable out of the modem, but too late. So if & when you read it, don't put much stock in it. It's not that it's a big secret, but it was just a few first impressions from a free-form brainstorm in yesterday's U2UG board meeting. Not ready for public. Heck, I didn't even use spell-checker on it. Let alone thought-checker. Just a scribble for others to add to & correct. We are just tossing some ideas around about how we can help new developers consider using U2 as a platform. It's not bad that the idea is now open to the public, but this is a lousy way to do it. That email was not really representative of even what went on in the meeting, just my limited understanding through a flakey cell phone. My apologies to all, Chuck Stevenson U2UG board member. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] [UV] time()
JayJay, Thanks for responding. The computer needs to service a medical device that monitors external/real-time events as the highest priority interrupt. The events are in real-time as well as random, and the event triggers a response which must also happen in real-time, and immediately after the causal event, and so the causal event must be serviced immediately and without delay. It cannot wait for the cpu to do house-keeping, or worse, mask its interrupts while so-doing. You might think of these real-time events as "in-coming" rounds being fired at a space-ship, and those rounds require a "shield" be immediately mobilized at the point of impact to protect the crew of the ship. This device is part of a proprietary project and I would need a non-disclosure agreement to say any more about it. Thanks again, Will John Jenkins wrote: Will No problem - just drop me note on what you are looking for. I know how I did it - but nowadays I may do it differently (depends on what you want to achieve). Regards JayJay -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of will Sent: 22 July 2006 20:35 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] [UV] time() John, I have an interest, completely outside of U2, in what you did with NMI and would like to ask some questions off-list if you would care to respond. Kind regards, Patrick "Will" Williams 919 567-0042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] John Jenkins wrote: Errm... You can write interrupt handlers *for* (not in) UniVerse. I've done that in a comms. package and it worked just fine. You have to dive into C a lot and use GCI (or CALLC on UniData). I recall having to some work with NMI[ Non-Maskable Interrupts] and interrupt recursion -that was challenging but that's all pretty standard for that sort of processing. You *could* drive UniVerse from an interrupt-driven server process using any of the standard data interchange handles - interrupt driven (yes) but with a lag as the interrupt-driven process "drives" a Universe polled event. Regards JayJay -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barry Brevik Sent: 21 July 2006 23:41 To: U2-users (E-mail) Subject: [U2] [UV] time() The TIME() function is supposed to return the number of seconds since midnight, in whole seconds on unix, but on Windows machines it returns a real number implying it is accurate to the nearest .001 second. Of course, it doesn't, but I noticed on my server that it rather reliably returns a number rounded to the nearest .015 or .016, giving about 64 divisions per second. Back in the old days, the PC's time chip had a periodicity of .054 seconds. Does anyone know how Universe manages to tic every 16 milliseconds? It seems somewhat dependant on machine load. With my head buried in programming, I suppose I might have missed common hardware improvements . My main concern is how reliable is it? In other words, under heavy load can you miss a tic? On the old fashioned hardware driven interrupt model, you would never miss a tic no matter what the load. If it is reliable, it's too bad we can't write interrupt handlers in Universe. That would be cool. Barry Brevik --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] [UV] time()
John, I have an interest, completely outside of U2, in what you did with NMI and would like to ask some questions off-list if you would care to respond. Kind regards, Patrick "Will" Williams 919 567-0042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] John Jenkins wrote: Errm... You can write interrupt handlers *for* (not in) UniVerse. I've done that in a comms. package and it worked just fine. You have to dive into C a lot and use GCI (or CALLC on UniData). I recall having to some work with NMI[ Non-Maskable Interrupts] and interrupt recursion -that was challenging but that's all pretty standard for that sort of processing. You *could* drive UniVerse from an interrupt-driven server process using any of the standard data interchange handles - interrupt driven (yes) but with a lag as the interrupt-driven process "drives" a Universe polled event. Regards JayJay -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barry Brevik Sent: 21 July 2006 23:41 To: U2-users (E-mail) Subject: [U2] [UV] time() The TIME() function is supposed to return the number of seconds since midnight, in whole seconds on unix, but on Windows machines it returns a real number implying it is accurate to the nearest .001 second. Of course, it doesn't, but I noticed on my server that it rather reliably returns a number rounded to the nearest .015 or .016, giving about 64 divisions per second. Back in the old days, the PC's time chip had a periodicity of .054 seconds. Does anyone know how Universe manages to tic every 16 milliseconds? It seems somewhat dependant on machine load. With my head buried in programming, I suppose I might have missed common hardware improvements . My main concern is how reliable is it? In other words, under heavy load can you miss a tic? On the old fashioned hardware driven interrupt model, you would never miss a tic no matter what the load. If it is reliable, it's too bad we can't write interrupt handlers in Universe. That would be cool. Barry Brevik --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Multi-value harmful? To whom?
Oh, d-d-d-dear me, did I say, "... at the same time."? It is rather a hoot to fly r/c from a ski-boat... kinda' tricky while swimming though. Patrick Williams, President, American Computer Technics, Inc. www.actLinux.com George Gallen wrote: True, Swimming and radio controlled aircraft just seem like too different a hobby to do at the same time Now...Swimming and radio controlled Boatingdifferent story (using And in the Boolean sense) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Debster Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 4:04 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Multi-value harmful? To whom? BTW.. I'm glad you didn't list your hobbies as Robbery,Rape,Murder and er...you would not have the "and" as you listed -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of will Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 3:43 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Multi-value harmful? To whom? Real life information consists of multi-value attributes, as in the example given, one person has many hobbies. Our English language accommodates multi-values with a comma as a delimiter. Thus, my hobbies are volleyball, gardening, swimming, and radio-controlled aircraft. Note the commas. Was this harmful to anyone's brain. Did anyone misunderstand? If digital technology is to advance it must accommodate the real-word and reflect rather than obfuscate that reality... It seems that only Multi-Value database systems do that. So why are they considered "Legacy" database systems? Patrick J. Williams, President American Computer Technics, Inc. www.actLinux.com --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Multi-value harmful? To whom?
You're scaring me, Debster! I forgot to mention that the function of "and" in our very-high-level language, called English, is to denote that the next value is end-of-list. Maybe we should have an "and" special character in MV? The substringing of the attributes in the MV system is implemented by scanning the characters and "blocking" the data between delimiters... just like we real humans scan a sentence. Now I am scaring you??? If IBM or MS had just discovered MV yesterday, it would be heralded as a huge break-through in digital technology. Too bad IBM didn't bump into Richard Pick instead of Bill Gates when they went looking for someone to implement a small and inconsequential operating system for the PC. Yikes, instead of Legacy, MV would be on 98% of all computers in the West AND China. Patrick Williams, President, American Computer Technics, Inc. www.actLinux.com Debster wrote: BTW.. I'm glad you didn't list your hobbies as Robbery,Rape,Murder and er...you would not have the "and" as you listed -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of will Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 3:43 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Multi-value harmful? To whom? Real life information consists of multi-value attributes, as in the example given, one person has many hobbies. Our English language accommodates multi-values with a comma as a delimiter. Thus, my hobbies are volleyball, gardening, swimming, and radio-controlled aircraft. Note the commas. Was this harmful to anyone's brain. Did anyone misunderstand? If digital technology is to advance it must accommodate the real-word and reflect rather than obfuscate that reality... It seems that only Multi-Value database systems do that. So why are they considered "Legacy" database systems? Patrick J. Williams, President American Computer Technics, Inc. www.actLinux.com --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] Multi-value harmful? To whom?
Real life information consists of multi-value attributes, as in the example given, one person has many hobbies. Our English language accommodates multi-values with a comma as a delimiter. Thus, my hobbies are volleyball, gardening, swimming, and radio-controlled aircraft. Note the commas. Was this harmful to anyone's brain. Did anyone misunderstand? If digital technology is to advance it must accommodate the real-word and reflect rather than obfuscate that reality... It seems that only Multi-Value database systems do that. So why are they considered "Legacy" database systems? Patrick J. Williams, President American Computer Technics, Inc. www.actLinux.com --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] JOB OPENING *** PICK/UniVerse/UniData Sr. Sales Engineer w/Object Technology experiences *******
Dear Ben, I have the experience you listed, live near Raleigh, NC, and I am interested. Can you tell me any more about it? Patrick Williams 919 567-0042 Ben Oifer, Technical Futures, Inc. wrote: I have a permanent opening for one of my clients for a Sr. Sales Engineer with specific experiences with PICK or UniVerse or UniData and some Object Technology experiences. The company is a major, profitable, international software product development company. If you, or someone you know, is interested in this opportunity, please have them contact me immediately. This position performs both pre-sales and post-sales roles. Up to 40% travel is required. This position can be based in your home/office but must be based on the East Coast of the US. Requirements include: 1. Technical experiences with PICK or UniData or UniVerse 2. Customer-facing experiences 3. Some experiences with Object Technology 4. BS Degree 5. US Citizen or US Permanent Resident Competitive base salary + an aggressive Bonus program + full benefits. If you know of anyone that is interested in this opportunity, please have them email their resume as a WORD attachment to [EMAIL PROTECTED] All resumes received will remain strictly confidential, and will not be disclosed to anyone without the candidate's prior approval. Thank you... Ben Ben Oifer Technical Futures, Inc. 2 Klarides Village Dr., #340 Seymour, CT 06483 (203) 881-1830 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] A Generous Offer
Charles, I have a suggestion... have a users group meeting where people want to take a vacation! :-) There are beautiful places all over North Carolina from the beaches to the mountains. Who wants to go to New Jersey or Cincinnati in the summer? I moved away from Cincinnati to be here in NC. It is beautiful and there are lots of places to see. If IS will have a User Group meeting in Raleigh or Wilmington, NC, I will donate my time to help put it together. Swim, Fish, take part in a movie... etc. Kind regards, Patrick Williams 919 567-0042 u2ug wrote: All, We need your feedback. I just received this very generous offer from Nathan Rector (International Spectrum). We need to know who can attend, sooner the better. For the NJ event, I can commit to chairing the meeting. We are looking for a board member (past or present) to host the Ohio event. Both of these events are conditional on our having attendees. We don't want to waste Nathan's offer on a no-show event. The best way to respond is to reply to this announcement. [AD] From Nathan: International Spectrum would like to invite the U2 User Group to host a User Group meeting in Cincinnati, OH on Sept 25th and in New Jersey, Nov 14th. International Spectrum would like to support the U2 User group by providing a venue and dinner for your meeting. This meeting will be on the 1st night of the International Spectrum Regional Conferences in each of these cities. The fee for your members will be $35 for the dinner if they are not already attending the International Spectrum Conference. If they have registered and are attending the Conference, then their dinner will be included in their registration price. Nathan Rector, President International Spectrum, Inc [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.intl-spectrum.com <https://207.156.243.15/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http://www.intl-spectrum.com> [/AD] - Charles Barouch, Moderator U2-Users U2-Community RBSolutions SBSolutions Visit http://listserver.u2ug.org, enter your e-mail address, and 'browse all' lists to maintain your access. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] U2 UD Contract position
Hello Tom, One of my partners or I could be of help to your client. Each of us has over 10 years with PICK and U2 products and have worked with web centric applications, especially for distributors. Price is $85 retail and $65 wholesale. If you are interested we will send along a resume. Best regards, Will Williams 919 567-0042 Tom Dodds wrote: We are looking for a contract U2 program for an engagement in the Pittsburg area. The contract should run approximately 3 months. It will be basic coding on UniData running on a Sun system. We are especially looking for anyone that has experience with Ohm System's Wade product. Please reply with resume and salary requirements, off line, to the email address below. Tom Dodds <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-563-2800 Cincinnati Office 708-234-9608 Chicago Office 630-235-2975 Anywhere Cell --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] dataflo
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Re: [U2] Basic statement
Possibly a label? Will Williams, American COMPUTER TECHNICS, INC. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you sure it's not meant to go through a pre-compiler? Hth Colin Alfke Calgary Canada -Original Message- From: Barry Rogen To all, We have 'new' programs from a package I need now support. There is a Basic statement that I have never seen in my 20+ years. Hopefully, one can shed a little light for me... CALL.TRANS.WRITE.SUB (that's a dot tween CALL and TRANS not a space) --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Who is activly selling Universe, Unidata and other mv dbs?
Thanks David. Do you have any statistics on the "doing well" and "best performing"? Is this just true in Oz? We have implemented some significant breakthroughs using "ajax" type technology for Browser Based implementations of Sales and AR via the Internet using the MV Databases U2 and D3, and leaving all other portions of the MV ERP System untouched. I am sure that others are doing the same, as well as other solutions, and I expect to see MV Systems thriving in this new environment which will put to bed the moans and groans about text based screens or screen scrape simulations. Will David Jordan wrote: The new IBM director for Databases is very keen on U2 doing well. IBM U2 is one of the best performing divisions in the database section, so IBM will be pushing U2 and you should expect some exciting things starting to come out of IBM in the next 6 months relating to U2. All IBM sales people are being told about IBM U2 in their Sales training, so it is not being forgotten. What is becoming pertinent to CEOs to have software that performs, not what looks good on paper, and this is where mv is coming into its own again. What you could say others talk, but mv is the silent achiever. Regards David Jordan Managing Consultant [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Who is activly selling Universe, Unidata and other mv dbs?
Thanks for the excellent answer, Dawn. I think that we all need to be proactive in promoting the technology in which we have so many years invested. It's effective, intuitive and ... just won't be buried in the onslaught of alphabet soup contenders. I was hoping that IBM would give us a heads up on their plans. Are they looking for salespeople to market MV? I think we have some good ones on this list! Regards, Will in NC Dawn Wolthuis wrote: On 3/4/06, will <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Is anyone actively selling mv data base systems? Does IBM have a proactive sales program for the U2 products? What is the forecasted increase (decrease) in mv installations? Will I'm pretty sure we cannot get a complete answer to the last question, but I do have the list of MV companies with links (Wendy -- I did that for you) at http://www.tincat-group.com/mewsings/2006/02/list-of-girls.html All of these would claim to be proactive in their marketing, while I would suggest that there are two to four of them that are not. IBM is definitely both proactive in their marketing and growing. Cache' is about to launch their MV product and I suspect they will be one of the few (joining Revelation, for example) to market direclty to end-customers rather than only through VARs. So I'm hopeful there will be some real advertising in non-MV places where IT folks might actually see them. While IBM's MV space is growing, I don't know if there is a net gain of MV VARS and suspect there is not. I suspect that IBM's growth in the U2 area is due to VAR growth combined, perhaps, with migrations from D3 or other MV products. I also suspect (predict) that the non-SQL-RDBMS databases (those that do not require 1NF and use a two-valued, rather than 3-valued logic, such as U2 and XML dbms's) will grow more in comparison to the growth of RDBMS products in the next five years than they did in the last five. I don't know if that answers your question, but thought I'd give my two cents. -- Dawn M. Wolthuis Tincat Group, Inc. www.tincat-group.com Take and give some delight today! --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] Who is activly selling Universe, Unidata and other mv dbs?
Is anyone actively selling mv data base systems? Does IBM have a proactive sales program for the U2 products? What is the forecasted increase (decrease) in mv installations? Will --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] PRODUCT EVALUATIONS
An MV client has inquired about moving to GUI screens, Rapid/Easy Management Reporting Systems and Multi-Location Transmission protocols. We could simply give our client a recommendation of what is familiar to us, but that would not be an honest evaluation. In that light we are hoping that there are some real happy users of the new or updated products we have seen advertised and promoted at the trade shows. If anyone would care to weigh in with their pleasant surprises it might be helpful for everyone who are contemplating new purchases. Don't be shy if you threw or are contemplating throwing out something... that is of value also. If this list is an inappropriate forum for candid evaluations, then please send replies direct to [EMAIL PROTECTED] When we have had time to compile the results (shades of American Idol voting?), we will be happy to share them with any interested parties. Will --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] [OT]Auto Mechanic or Systems Engineer?
Two roads diverged in a wood, And I "Took the wrong one?" Has anyone else who is looking for Programmer/Analyst work noticed that your garage mechanic gets $82.50 per hour while we po' folks with high-tech, college degrees are offered an average of $45 per hour in a "robust" economy? Anyway, if you hear of a need near Raleigh, NC, USA or telecommute please pass it along. Kind regards, "Will" --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] NETWORKING
The /sbin/rc2.d seems to be in binary? Haas, John wrote: This is from the startup script in /sbin/rc2.d. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] .org] On Behalf Of Will Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 12:08 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] NETWORKING John, Thanks. How did you get the printout you sent? Will Haas, John wrote: We are using lantronix on HP-UX. The setup is below. The port numbers (300x) c orrespond to the number of ports on the lanronix. We are using 8 port boxes. # /opt/hpnp/bin/hpnptyd -m /dev/ptym/ptyz5 -x dcterm -p 3001 -k # /opt/hpnp/bin/hpnptyd -m /dev/ptym/ptyz4 -x dcterm -p 3002 -k # /opt/hpnp/bin/hpnptyd -m /dev/ptym/ptyz3 -x dcterm -p 3003 -k # /opt/hpnp/bin/hpnptyd -m /dev/ptym/ptyz2 -x dcterm -p 3004 -k # /opt/hpnp/bin/hpnptyd -m /dev/ptym/ptyz1 -x dcterm -p 3005 -k # /opt/hpnp/bin/hpnptyd -m /dev/ptym/ptyz0 -x dcterm -p 3006 -k # /opt/hpnp/bin/hpnptyd -m /dev/ptym/ptyyf -x dcterm -p 3007 -k # /opt/hpnp/bin/hpnptyd -m /dev/ptym/ptyye -x dcterm -p 3008 -k ## # /opt/hpnp/bin/hpnptyd -m /dev/ptym/ptyyd -x orlterm -p 3001 -k # /opt/hpnp/bin/hpnptyd -m /dev/ptym/ptyyc -x orlterm -p 3002 -k # /opt/hpnp/bin/hpnptyd -m /dev/ptym/ptyyb -x orlterm -p 3003 -k # /opt/hpnp/bin/hpnptyd -m /dev/ptym/ptyya -x orlterm -p 3004 -k # /opt/hpnp/bin/hpnptyd -m /dev/ptym/ptyy9 -x orlterm -p 3005 -k # /opt/hpnp/bin/hpnptyd -m /dev/ptym/ptyy8 -x orlterm -p 3006 -k # /opt/hpnp/bin/hpnptyd -m /dev/ptym/ptyy7 -x orlterm -p 3007 -k # /opt/hpnp/bin/hpnptyd -m /dev/ptym/ptyy6 -x orlterm -p 3008 -k -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] .org] On Behalf Of Will Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 8:39 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] NETWORKING Our Lantronics server lost configuration for the off site terminals and printers. Lantronics help desk says we must tell them the listening port numbers on the HP9000 running HP-UX Universe. Anyone know how to determine those ports? Kind Regards, Will -- --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ This email is intended only for the use of the party to which it is addressed a nd may contain information that is privileged, confidential, or protected by la w. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any diss emination, copying or distribution of this email or its contents is strictly pr ohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediat ely by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Internet communications are not assured to be secure or clear of inaccuracies a s information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. Therefore, we do not accept responsibility for any errors or omissions that are present in this email, or any attachment, that have arisen as a result of e-mail transmission. -- - - --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ This email is intended only for the use of the party to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, or protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, copying or distribution of this email or its contents is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Internet communications are not assured to be secure or clear of inaccuracies as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. Therefore, we do not accept responsibility for any errors or omissions that are present in this email, or any attachment, that have arisen as a result of e-mail transmission. --- - --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] NETWORKING
John, Thanks. How did you get the printout you sent? Will Haas, John wrote: We are using lantronix on HP-UX. The setup is below. The port numbers (300x) c orrespond to the number of ports on the lanronix. We are using 8 port boxes. # /opt/hpnp/bin/hpnptyd -m /dev/ptym/ptyz5 -x dcterm -p 3001 -k # /opt/hpnp/bin/hpnptyd -m /dev/ptym/ptyz4 -x dcterm -p 3002 -k # /opt/hpnp/bin/hpnptyd -m /dev/ptym/ptyz3 -x dcterm -p 3003 -k # /opt/hpnp/bin/hpnptyd -m /dev/ptym/ptyz2 -x dcterm -p 3004 -k # /opt/hpnp/bin/hpnptyd -m /dev/ptym/ptyz1 -x dcterm -p 3005 -k # /opt/hpnp/bin/hpnptyd -m /dev/ptym/ptyz0 -x dcterm -p 3006 -k # /opt/hpnp/bin/hpnptyd -m /dev/ptym/ptyyf -x dcterm -p 3007 -k # /opt/hpnp/bin/hpnptyd -m /dev/ptym/ptyye -x dcterm -p 3008 -k ## # /opt/hpnp/bin/hpnptyd -m /dev/ptym/ptyyd -x orlterm -p 3001 -k # /opt/hpnp/bin/hpnptyd -m /dev/ptym/ptyyc -x orlterm -p 3002 -k # /opt/hpnp/bin/hpnptyd -m /dev/ptym/ptyyb -x orlterm -p 3003 -k # /opt/hpnp/bin/hpnptyd -m /dev/ptym/ptyya -x orlterm -p 3004 -k # /opt/hpnp/bin/hpnptyd -m /dev/ptym/ptyy9 -x orlterm -p 3005 -k # /opt/hpnp/bin/hpnptyd -m /dev/ptym/ptyy8 -x orlterm -p 3006 -k # /opt/hpnp/bin/hpnptyd -m /dev/ptym/ptyy7 -x orlterm -p 3007 -k # /opt/hpnp/bin/hpnptyd -m /dev/ptym/ptyy6 -x orlterm -p 3008 -k -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] .org] On Behalf Of Will Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 8:39 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] NETWORKING Our Lantronics server lost configuration for the off site terminals and printers. Lantronics help desk says we must tell them the listening port numbers on the HP9000 running HP-UX Universe. Anyone know how to determine those ports? Kind Regards, Will -- --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ This email is intended only for the use of the party to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential, or protected by law. If you are not the intended recipient you are hereby notified that any dissemination, copying or distribution of this email or its contents is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Internet communications are not assured to be secure or clear of inaccuracies as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. Therefore, we do not accept responsibility for any errors or omissions that are present in this email, or any attachment, that have arisen as a result of e-mail transmission. --- - --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] NETWORK
Thanks John, Anthony and Stephen. The Lantronics "support" person, named George, implied that there is a "listening port" for every physical port on his company's terminal server which has at least 15 physical ports, 13 of which have dumb terminals and 2 with HP printers in serial mode. These ports numbers are, according to George, prefixed by "30" and appended to the ip address. With these numbers George says he can configure the devices to be terminals or printers. The /etc/services does not list 15 similar items of any kind. Maybe they are dynamically allocated by the termserver. And maybe... just maybe... our support is somewhere on the edge of reality, a place with new dimensions of sight and sound, known to late-night computer chaps as: The Twilight Zone! Will --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] NETWORKING
Our Lantronics server lost configuration for the off site terminals and printers. Lantronics help desk says we must tell them the listening port numbers on the HP9000 running HP-UX Universe. Anyone know how to determine those ports? Kind Regards, Will -- --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] Hidden spindle
We are using HP-UX and Universe 9.6 release. We have disks mounted on U1, U2, U3, U4. When we shell-out of Universe to Unix and give a df -P command we do not get a report on U3. However, we can create a file on U3. Does anyone know why the df command does not report the usage? Thanks, Will Williams --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] RE:[UV] Moving TRANS onto a new Hard Drive
Thanks Piers for the ideas... and my apology for the misleading subject headline. Piers Angliss wrote: At this time on a Friday evening, you can't possibly mean this weekend. So, identify all your uv accounts over the next week and, for each one, scan the VOC looking for any references in F2 to the TRANS file. Make a note of them and, when you make the move, go back and change each one to point to the new file. On the other hand, if you really do mean this weekend, your best bet may be to postpone the move, if you can't then perhaps a symbolic link if your Unix OS supports them. Taking your post at face value, and with no warranty : [backup everything, get all users off] [cd to a uv account with a pointer to TRANS, enter uv, COUNT TRANS, write down the result] [cd /u1 then du -s TRANS and write down the Unix file "size" ] cd /u1 cp -r TRANS /uv4 [cd /uv4 and du -s TRANS, check new unix "size" = old "size"] cd /u1 rm -r TRANS [ or mv TRANS TRANS.justincase] ln -s /uv4/TRANS TRANS [cd to original uv account, enter UV and COUNT TRANS ] This way, all uv accounts will look for TRANS in the original location, Unix will follow the link to the new file and nobody will be any the wiser. EXCEPT (1) I don't know whether UV-Net will fall for it (2) make sure your backup scripts pick up the new file (3) I'm sure I've missed a number of things which more experienced members will pick up for me As soon as possible, revert to para 2 but don't run a "mixed" environment Good luck, Piers -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Will Sent: 22 October 2004 22:22 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [U2] [UV] UO.NET Due to file expansion over the years we need to move the TRANS file on file system /dev/vg01/lvol1 mounted on /u1, to a newly installed hard drive which is on file system /dev/vg01/lvol4 mounted on /uv4. What are the recommended steps to complete this process safely and securely so that all of the UV programs know where the file is located when they try to open it after the weekend move? Thanks and a tip o'the hat to all who reply, Will --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] [UV] UO.NET
Due to file expansion over the years we need to move the TRANS file on file system /dev/vg01/lvol1 mounted on /u1, to a newly installed hard drive which is on file system /dev/vg01/lvol4 mounted on /uv4. What are the recommended steps to complete this process safely and securely so that all of the UV programs know where the file is located when they try to open it after the weekend move? Thanks and a tip o'the hat to all who reply, Will --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] [UV] Adding a Hard Drive
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Re: [U2] Southern California presentation on DesignBais [SHORT]
Dear me, Tony, I hope that you are not calling us mud slingers just because we responded with technical facts after you positioned our product, Visage, as "complex" in this public forum. Wouldn't you do the same? - Original Message - From: "Tony Gravagno" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 3:54 PM Subject: RE: [U2] Southern California presentation on DesignBais [SHORT] Again, I'm not getting into a mud slinging match. For whatever reason, people are excited about DesignBais without the mud. I'm learning as I go why they're getting excited and I'm just trying to share some info. Once people have the info they can do their own feature comparisons and make their own decisions. If someone wants to commision a competitive analysis, I can provide that as a for-fee service. This notice was not intended to provide an opportunity for people to (so to speak) rush on stage to hawk their own wares. I'd hope that people could be a bit more reserved. I won't be posting to this thread again unless something new comes up. Thanks for your time. Tony [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] RE: U2] Error 30107 when calling Subroutines from UniObjects
Patrick "Will" Williams, President American Computer Technics, Inc. 919-567-0042 Raleigh, NC - Original Message - From: John Kent To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [U2] RE: U2] Error 30107 when calling Subroutines from UniObjects Peter, if you can get their uniobjects menu driver to initialise a common then all you need do is INCLUDE it in the subroutines called. If there are files you dont want to open globally to all applications you can set up a common just for a particular application. If you want some code examples contact me offline. jak - Original Message - From: "peter watson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 5:11 AM Subject: [U2] RE: U2] Error 30107 when calling Subroutines from UniObjects > Hi all who have tried to help > > we (my company) have just had a reply from our application vendor, they have stated that to enable UniObjects to run there subroutines they would have to rewrite them to enable root or a login that does not process the startup routines to run them. > > does anyone know what area I should be getting the more knowegable people to look in for what needs starting, as advised by Jim I would like to try an INIT > paragraph. > > Pete > > -Original Message- > From: Jim Epley [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 19 May 2004 21:24 > To: peter watson > Subject: U2] Error 30107 when calling Subroutines from UniObjects > > > Peter, > I have encountered the same problem when invoking a VAR subroutine from a > UniObjects for Java program. Here's what I found out that finally fixed my > problem: > > 1) the subroutine must be properly cataloged (I assume you've already taken > care of this), and > > 2) any session initialization that the subroutine depends on must be > accomplished. > > In our case, the VAR has an INIT paragraph that values some global default > parameters for the application that must be executed before the subroutine > will execute correctly. I added command calls to the UOJ code to execute > the paragraphs, and that fixed the problem. I'd guess you're running into > the same kind of issue. > HTH > > Jim Epley > Midlands Technical College > Columbia, SC > > UniData 6.0 > Tru64 V5.1 > > > The information in this electronic mail message is Confidential and may be legally privileged. > It is intended solely for the addressees. Access to this internet electronic mail message by anyone else is unauthorized. > If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken > in reliance on it is prohibited and may be unlawful. The sender believes that this E-mail and any attachments were free > of any virus, worm, Trojan horse, and/or malicious code when sent. > This message and its attachments could have been infected during transmission. By reading the message and opening any > attachments, the recipient accepts full responsibility for taking protective and remedial action about viruses and other > defects. The sender's employer is not liable for any loss or damage arising in any way from this message or its attachments. > -VRG3a- > --- > u2-users mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.u2ug.org/listinfo/u2-users --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.u2ug.org/listinfo/u2-users --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.u2ug.org/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Cost of Oracle vs PICK
Nope... some people buy an SUV because they need it or want it... but some do buy one just because it is what everyone else is doing. Alas, I am old enough to remember when people didn't want the label/tag sewn onto the outside of their clothing because a) they had a strong self worth without a designer label; and b) they didn't want to be billboards for a clothing manufacturer. Why buy Oracle? If you need it, go for it. And, ... If you just want to sit up high, carry more weight, have 4 wheel drive, and have slow performance, get yourself an SUV. But, if you hunt or fish, or live where the snow is on the road many a day... you probably need one... all good reasons. And no one has to agree with me... we're free... thank God. Kindest regards to all, Patrick "Will" Williams, President American Computer Technics, Inc. 919-567-0042 Raleigh, NC - Original Message - From: Stewart Leicester To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 2004 10:57 AM Subject: Re: [U2] Cost of Oracle vs PICK >The point of the SUV analogy was that many purchases such as Oracle and other >software and hardware are made according to the "Law of the Sheep": everyone >else is doing it so it must be the right way to go. > >Regarding security, which is the antithesis of shared data, one should not be >surprised to find complications expanding. Just as "combination locks" are >put on doors and passwords and security levels are put on data the overhead >increases. > >Patrick "Will" Williams, President >American Computer Technics, Inc. >919-567-0042 Raleigh, NC So everyone who disagrees with you and buys an SUV is a "sheep"? Stewart -- Stewart Leicester| http://www.ThreatFocus.com V.P. Engineering | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Threat Focus, Inc. | 925-551-0130 Voice "Knowledge is your best defense" | 509-695-1373 Fax --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.u2ug.org/listinfo/u2-users --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.u2ug.org/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Cost of Oracle vs PICK
The point of the SUV analogy was that many purchases such as Oracle and other software and hardware are made according to the "Law of the Sheep": everyone else is doing it so it must be the right way to go. Regarding security, which is the antithesis of shared data, one should not be surprised to find complications expanding. Just as "combination locks" are put on doors and passwords and security levels are put on data the overhead increases. Patrick "Will" Williams, President American Computer Technics, Inc. 919-567-0042 Raleigh, NC - Original Message - From: Jeff Flynt To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 11:23 PM Subject: RE: [U2] Cost of Oracle vs PICK Please forgive me for playing the devil's advocate here, but if you want to use vehicle analogies you might as well be comparing a VW Beetle to a 747 jet. One may get better gas mileage, cost more, go higher,... So what? Don't get me wrong. I love our Pick database model, but in the modern usage of the word "database" our database model is at best very "light." I would hazard to say it is really a file base or a record base. For as flexible as it is, it still lacks in many ways that can be taken for granted in other database models. As for companies going "belly up" when converting, well, to me that is a reflection of the design of the original database, not how the data is stored. A complex, convoluted multivalue style database may be a tough nut to crack. Multivalued data can be corrupt. It can be dirty. It may have "evolved" in some as hoc manner that defies common sense. Or the underlying structure of the data may not directly correspond to some new relational based application's perspective of data. These problems would affect any conversion from any database to any other. I would think it is a lot easier to go from a relational perspective to a multivalued one simply because relational data is simpler. But it isn't as elegant. Any stories of the converse of this topic? If the Pick model provided the same "uniform" level of security that standard relational databases do then the rest of the world might look at it differently. Truth be told, I want a black box database. I do not care how the grand designers implemented the internal structures, i.e., records composed of delimited strings, hashed files... If I have to know that then I have to know to much. Knowing it may have its advantages. Hacking the data being one of them, i.e., with the editor. Every single Pick style app I have used requires application level security. So if the app has no bugs, and you can never leave the app, you're good to go. Personally, I have never seen either of these cases with a Pick app. In this modern day who really cares how many bits a piece of data requires? Bits are cheap! Have two! Is the relational database slower? You can bet on that! But it is also doing a lot more. More work requires more time! Even if the internal structures are very inefficient the hardware today can help compensate. But I somehow don't think the Oracles, IBMs and Microsofts are building them that way. The slowness comes from the overhead of being a proper database or from poorly planned databases and queries. If the multivalued model had the same (security, integrity, etc.) overhead it would be slower as well. If the multivalued database is poorly planned it also would be slower than a well planned version. Universe's and Unidata's native languages are woefully out of date. If someone came up with an object oriented version of the languages then app level security could be a lot tighter at least. Recent apps I have worked with have records of people who are alive and hundreds of years old! They are fraught with dangling references to non existent records. Sure, it's a data entry error or an app error, and it could happen on other databases/app. But other databases can constrain that data so it never happens either. That is why they are slower. They maintain the integrity - not the application. Multivalued style databases do not require integrity and do not provide for it. That is a function of the application. That is a serious weakness, and all the multivalued applications I have dealt with but the very simplest do it poorly. Also, the app level security is worthless for third party solutions that have no awareness of the app's security model. If the multivalued platforms incorporated modern security, a better native language(s), built in integrity, constraints, and other features that can be taken for granted in other world class databases then the throngs (probably) would not be abandoning ship. Unidata (or Universe, maybe every Pick type) can not pass a rigorous security audit. If you work with privileged information you need a better platform.
Re: [U2] Cost of Oracle vs PICK
When you can explain why people purchase huge, gas-guzzling 4 wheel drive vehicles that will never be "off-road" maybe you will know why companies Must have Oracle! Patrick "Will" Williams, President American Computer Technics, Inc. 919-567-0042 Raleigh, NC - Original Message - From: Dawn M. Wolthuis To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 1:47 PM Subject: RE: [U2] Cost of Oracle vs PICK But people keep making this seeming mistake. Does their company get so much better that they make up these costs in new revenue or what? --dawn Dawn M. Wolthuis Tincat Group, Inc. www.tincat-group.com Take and give some delight today. > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-u2- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 3:04 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [U2] Cost of Oracle vs PICK > > In talking to companies that have converted to Oracle from PICK the cost > seems > to be running around five times the annual cost on their annual budget > once the > system has been installed. That does not include the many millions that > can be > spent in the conversion process. > Larry Okeson VP > Software Search Atlanta > 800-949-5423 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > --- > u2-users mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.u2ug.org/listinfo/u2-users --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.u2ug.org/listinfo/u2-users --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.u2ug.org/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] MV Fad
MV as a technique for parsing/structuring streams of meaningful symbols, the meaning of which is given by positional notation and a set of conventional delimiters will always exist, just as the Pacific Ocean will always exist... it will not depend on how many of us use it here in the 21st century. Some will see its inherent and elegant beauty and utility... others will be eaten by sharks. Patrick "Will" Williams, President American Computer Technics, Inc. 919-567-0042 Raleigh, NC - Original Message - From: Ross Ferris To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2004 5:51 PM Subject: RE: [U2] MV Fad I don't recall there EVER being 5,000 people at a Spectrum conference (not that I have been to many) - and based on the previous 2 years that I have attended, 500 sounds like an increase. By definition a fad is also relatively short lived to even make reference to 5 years ago indicates that this is not the case - and the first International Spectrum I went to was 1992 ?, so I think that for a 'fast paced' arena like technology, multi-valued is not a 'fad' . though the growth rate could always be better :-) Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage an Evolution in Software Development >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-u2- >[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Ritchie >Sent: Thursday, 6 May 2004 8:50 AM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: RE: [U2] MV Fad > >And this month's Larry Ellison claim is ? Well it will be coming in the >next version, or the one after that, or at least some one has an email >about it. If they didn't invent the term "vaporware" for Oracle they really >should have. > > >-Original Message- >From: Jeremy Adell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Thursday, 6 May 2004 4:35 AM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: RE: [U2] MV Fad > > >Stiletos? Pink shoes? i can definitely see what these two have in common >with a database:) >I've heard that PICK programmers are too arrogant to recognize a >threat...maybe that is why their database is losing to Oracle?:) Of course >now I will be labelled a heretic by the 12th century Catholic Church of >database programmers, but really, look at those who designed the pick >systems. > >To last at anything, you have to be realistic about your threats and >weaknesses. Look at a legacy Oracle system with required database standards >built in and compare it to a PICK db with no standards and 20 years of >maintenance. >At the PICK convention in Vegas this year, maybe 500 people showed up. I >heard 5 years ago there more like 5,000. Sound like a fad anyone? >Maybe IBM can fix it. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.677 / Virus Database: 439 - Release Date: 4/05/2004 --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.u2ug.org/listinfo/u2-users --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.u2ug.org/listinfo/u2-users
