RE: What client platform do YOU use (Parallel to GUI thread)
If Netware goes away, I'll not shed a single tear... Headaches for many clients would then go away also. Karl On Thu, 2004-04-22 at 02:09, Anthony Youngman wrote: > FYI, Novell HAVE purchased SuSE - the company, that is, not the > software. > > So, with regard to my previous post that I've snipped :-) expect Netware > to go the way of Native Pick in the very near future. It will go the way > of AP/Pro, where it looks like Netware for all intents and purposes, but > it's actually an app running on top of a hidden linux kernel. > > Cheers, > Wol > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Karl L Pearson > Sent: 21 April 2004 19:20 > To: U2 Users Discussion List > Subject: RE: What client platform do YOU use (Parallel to GUI thread) > > I attended a VMWare symposium sponsored by IBM, Novell and a local > (quite large) consulting/programming/implementation firm. The > representative from Novell stated they would be completely off M$ > products by the end of the year with nearly all desktops using Suse > Linux and OpenOffice.org for their office suite. Apparently Novell has > purchased Suse, or at least a 'port' of Suse. Also, he stated that all > of Novell's commercial products would continue to run on Windows, > because of client demand, however their main focus would be in > writing/rewriting everything to run on Linux. That project was to have > been completed by last week, with announcements coming soon. Since I'm > not even remotely involved with Novell products, I haven't kept tabs on > that portion of the project. > > The IBM reps stated they they are also moving off M$ products. > > Just my 2 '.01's (insert appropriate currency marker) > > Karl > > > > > > This transmission is intended for the named recipient only. It may contain private > and confidential information. If this has come to you in error you must not act on > anything disclosed in it, nor must you copy it, modify it, disseminate it in any > way, or show it to anyone. Please e-mail the sender to inform us of the transmission > error or telephone ECA International immediately and delete the e-mail from your > information system. > > Telephone numbers for ECA International offices are: Sydney +61 (0)2 9911 7799, Hong > Kong + 852 2121 2388, London +44 (0)20 7351 5000 and New York +1 212 582 2333. > > -- Karl L. Pearson Director of IT, ATS Industrial Supply Direct: 801-978-4429 Toll-free: 888-972-3182 x29 Fax: 801-972-3888 http://www.atsindustrial.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: OT: Terminal emulator for Mac (was Re: What client platform do YOU use (Parallel to GUI thread))
I'm not sure, but gnome-terminal is open source, so theoretically, if you use MAC OS-X, you could port the source code over and compile it and have, if not complete, very close to it, VT100 emulation. Of course, you then get to determine if taking the time to do that would be more expensive in your time than just picking up one of the $99-$149 products that may have a good 'canned' VT100 MAC emulator. Karl On Wed, 2004-04-21 at 17:58, Clifton Oliver wrote: > Does anyone know of a reasonably priced terminal emulator for the Mac > that does *complete* VT100 or Wyse 50 emulation? > > -- > > Regards, > > Clif > > > On Apr 21, 2004, at 16:33, Stuart Boydell wrote: > > > Steve, > > > > I run a terminal emulator (Netterm) in 165x64 mode - no more because > > that's > > the smallest font I can read on the 17" monitor here. > > I run this on a Windows client against an aix/UV/SB+ app. > > The main advantage being that it just gives me lots of read space for > > programs. -- Karl L. Pearson Director of IT, ATS Industrial Supply Direct: 801-978-4429 Toll-free: 888-972-3182 x29 Fax: 801-972-3888 http://www.atsindustrial.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: What client platform do YOU use (Parallel to GUI thread)
... On Wed, 2004-04-21 at 17:33, Stuart Boydell wrote: > Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Karl, > > Sounds interesting. So you have a screen that is 80 columns by > 60 rows. Does that mean that you can than do PRINT @(0,60) to > get the bottom line of the screen? And can you do 132 by 60?? I use gnome-terminal on an X-Windows screen that is set at 1400x1050 in 24bit mode. I have a relatively small terminal font (old eyes so not as small as in the past) so I can have 2 80x60 windows open side-by-side, which gives me the capability to copy and paste from one to the other, do HELP BASIC XX in one and read it while typing in the other (Okay, I can't read and type anything coherent at the SAME time, but you get the idea). As for using @(0,60), no, I don't do that. I regularly use @(0,@CRTHIGH), or when changing width to test 132 column reports, do LIST.FILE.STATS to see more data, I will use @(@CRTWIDE) syntax. The very nice thing about gnome-terminal, and essentially all the Linux-based emulators, is that I can size a window to, say 134x70 (examples only), telnet to my AIX server and have the TCL TERM settings match. I use code like this to accomplish it: SET.DIMENSIONS 0001 execute 'sh -c \termdef\' capturing TERMTYP 0002 TERMTYP = TERMTYP<1> 0003 execute 'set.term.type ':TERMTYP capturing TERM.OUTPUT 0004 execute 'sh -c \termdef -c\' capturing TCOLS 0005 TCOLS = TCOLS<1> 0006 execute 'sh -c \termdef -l\' capturing TLINES 0007 TLINES = TLINES<1> 0008 execute 'TERM ':TCOLS:',':TLINES and call it from ~/uv/VOC UV.LOGIN. Karl > > Steve > > From: Karl L Pearson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Okay, I'll bite. > > I use Linux exclusively, other than when forced to run win98 or win2000, > which I do on Linux in a VMware Workstation window, with my Linux > streaming video or audio running in the background... (my personal > touch) > > Running gnome-terminal in 80x60 mode, I can connect to our traditional > 'green screen' APP and see more, especially when coding more 'green > screen' parts to our APP. > > Karl -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: What client platform do YOU use (Parallel to GUI thread)
FYI, Novell HAVE purchased SuSE - the company, that is, not the software. So, with regard to my previous post that I've snipped :-) expect Netware to go the way of Native Pick in the very near future. It will go the way of AP/Pro, where it looks like Netware for all intents and purposes, but it's actually an app running on top of a hidden linux kernel. Cheers, Wol -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Karl L Pearson Sent: 21 April 2004 19:20 To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: What client platform do YOU use (Parallel to GUI thread) I attended a VMWare symposium sponsored by IBM, Novell and a local (quite large) consulting/programming/implementation firm. The representative from Novell stated they would be completely off M$ products by the end of the year with nearly all desktops using Suse Linux and OpenOffice.org for their office suite. Apparently Novell has purchased Suse, or at least a 'port' of Suse. Also, he stated that all of Novell's commercial products would continue to run on Windows, because of client demand, however their main focus would be in writing/rewriting everything to run on Linux. That project was to have been completed by last week, with announcements coming soon. Since I'm not even remotely involved with Novell products, I haven't kept tabs on that portion of the project. The IBM reps stated they they are also moving off M$ products. Just my 2 '.01's (insert appropriate currency marker) Karl This transmission is intended for the named recipient only. It may contain private and confidential information. If this has come to you in error you must not act on anything disclosed in it, nor must you copy it, modify it, disseminate it in any way, or show it to anyone. Please e-mail the sender to inform us of the transmission error or telephone ECA International immediately and delete the e-mail from your information system. Telephone numbers for ECA International offices are: Sydney +61 (0)2 9911 7799, Hong Kong + 852 2121 2388, London +44 (0)20 7351 5000 and New York +1 212 582 2333. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: OT: Terminal emulator for Mac (was Re: What client platform do YOU use (Parallel to GUI thread))
Oh, yeah. RTFArchive, huh? Did so. Found it. Thank you. -- Regards, Clif On Apr 21, 2004, at 17:34, Bruce Nichol wrote: Goo'day, Clif, Check your own archive! Asked this question some short time (months) ago. Was pointed at a freebie (IIRC) French product. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: OT: Terminal emulator for Mac (was Re: What client platform do YOU use (Parallel to GUI thread))
Goo'day, Clif, Check your own archive! Asked this question some short time (months) ago. Was pointed at a freebie (IIRC) French product. At 09:58 22/04/04, you wrote: Does anyone know of a reasonably priced terminal emulator for the Mac that does *complete* VT100 or Wyse 50 emulation? -- Regards, Clif On Apr 21, 2004, at 16:33, Stuart Boydell wrote: Steve, I run a terminal emulator (Netterm) in 165x64 mode - no more because that's the smallest font I can read on the 17" monitor here. I run this on a Windows client against an aix/UV/SB+ app. The main advantage being that it just gives me lots of read space for programs. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.230 / Virus Database: 262.9.4 - Release Date: 21/04/04 Regards, Bruce Nichol Talon Computer Services ALBURYNSW 2640 Australia Tel: +61 (0)411149636 Fax: +61 (0)260232119 If it ain't broke, fix it till it is! -- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.230 / Virus Database: 262.9.4 - Release Date: 21/04/04 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
OT: Terminal emulator for Mac (was Re: What client platform do YOU use (Parallel to GUI thread))
Does anyone know of a reasonably priced terminal emulator for the Mac that does *complete* VT100 or Wyse 50 emulation? -- Regards, Clif On Apr 21, 2004, at 16:33, Stuart Boydell wrote: Steve, I run a terminal emulator (Netterm) in 165x64 mode - no more because that's the smallest font I can read on the 17" monitor here. I run this on a Windows client against an aix/UV/SB+ app. The main advantage being that it just gives me lots of read space for programs. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: What client platform do YOU use (Parallel to GUI thread)
Steve, I run a terminal emulator (Netterm) in 165x64 mode - no more because that's the smallest font I can read on the 17" monitor here. I run this on a Windows client against an aix/UV/SB+ app. The main advantage being that it just gives me lots of read space for programs. And yes, if our users were to use the same resolution (which they don't because they're stuck with SBClient) they could have entry screens & reports that filled the whole screen. Stuart > Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Karl, > > Sounds interesting. So you have a screen that is 80 columns by > 60 rows. Does that mean that you can than do PRINT @(0,60) to > get the bottom line of the screen? And can you do 132 by 60?? > > Steve > > From: Karl L Pearson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Okay, I'll bite. > > I use Linux exclusively, other than when forced to run win98 or win2000, > which I do on Linux in a VMware Workstation window, with my Linux > streaming video or audio running in the background... (my personal > touch) > > Running gnome-terminal in 80x60 mode, I can connect to our traditional > 'green screen' APP and see more, especially when coding more 'green > screen' parts to our APP. > > Karl ** This email message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of addressed recipient(s). If you have received this email in error please notify the Spotless IS Support Centre (61 3 9269 7555) immediately who will advise further action. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been scanned for the presence of computer viruses. ** -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: What client platform do YOU use (Parallel to GUI thread)
Karl, Sounds interesting. So you have a screen that is 80 columns by 60 rows. Does that mean that you can than do PRINT @(0,60) to get the bottom line of the screen? And can you do 132 by 60?? Steve -Original Message- From: Karl L Pearson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Apr 21, 2004 12:51 PM To: U2 Users Discussion List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: What client platform do YOU use (Parallel to GUI thread) Okay, I'll bite. I use Linux exclusively, other than when forced to run win98 or win2000, which I do on Linux in a VMware Workstation window, with my Linux streaming video or audio running in the background... (my personal touch) Running gnome-terminal in 80x60 mode, I can connect to our traditional 'green screen' APP and see more, especially when coding more 'green screen' parts to our APP. Karl On Mon, 2004-04-19 at 21:35, Ross Ferris wrote: > Anyone up for a little "straw poll" ? > > A recurrent theme that I see played out in this & related forums is the "well, does > it run on MAC or Linux on the Desktop" question. Often, when asked, the people that > raised the issue don't have either platform in their installation - it is merely a > standard question that they feel compelled to ask ?!? > > Maybe it is just me - I don't live in the "big smoke" - but (to date) I simply > haven't seen any significant demand for workstation support (GUI or CUI) outside of > windows. > > SO, I think to myself, I wonder what the REAL numbers are - I mean theory is one > thing, but how do the numbers stack up in the real world? How many people are there > that actually do use, or WANT to use (I'm talking management want here, not the > "gee, if I had my way" kind of thing) non-windows platforms on the desktop ?. > > I'm happy to kick it off. Of the (application) systems that we have installed over > the years, discounting green screens, we have deployed to probably around 1,500 > "workstation" devices --> all Windows (even back as far as 3.11) > > I've had the "Mac" option raised twice - I remember each one clearly ! Once at a > printers (who are 'big' MAC users traditionally) for 3 devices, and once at a > distribution company where the owner had a MAC at home he wanted to use remotely > that's it - potential market 4 out of around 1,500. > > Any other takers ? I need to point out that I'm not LOOKING for exceptions, merely > the "state of the desktop", so if you only have Wintel desktops, please step up & be > counted - and if there is a vast ocean of "hidden" MAC and Linux desktops out there, > please identify yourself > > Ross Ferris > Stamina Software > Visage ? an Evolution in Software Development > > > > >> > >>1) Be able to use any Windows, new Mac (unix) or Linux client > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.659 / Virus Database: 423 - Release Date: 15/04/2004 > -- Karl L. Pearson Director of IT, ATS Industrial Supply Direct: 801-978-4429 Toll-free: 888-972-3182 x29 Fax: 801-972-3888 http://www.atsindustrial.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: What client platform do YOU use (Parallel to GUI thread)
I attended a VMWare symposium sponsored by IBM, Novell and a local (quite large) consulting/programming/implementation firm. The representative from Novell stated they would be completely off M$ products by the end of the year with nearly all desktops using Suse Linux and OpenOffice.org for their office suite. Apparently Novell has purchased Suse, or at least a 'port' of Suse. Also, he stated that all of Novell's commercial products would continue to run on Windows, because of client demand, however their main focus would be in writing/rewriting everything to run on Linux. That project was to have been completed by last week, with announcements coming soon. Since I'm not even remotely involved with Novell products, I haven't kept tabs on that portion of the project. The IBM reps stated they they are also moving off M$ products. Just my 2 '.01's (insert appropriate currency marker) Karl On Tue, 2004-04-20 at 01:10, Anthony Youngman wrote: > It's difficult to tell (of course) but anecdotal evidence says that > linux has overtaken Mac on the desktop. Bear in mind that linux browsers > often identify themselves as IE in order to fool stupid sites in to > working :-( > > Oh - and we're *guaranteed* a massive collision in server space within > the next 18 months or so ... Linux is at 25% of the market and growing > at 50% a year, Windows is still nudging slowly upwards and at 55%. > Obviously, if the market itself grows, then this combination of figures > could be sustained a bit longer, but absent that the alternatives will > have disappeared and linux and windows will be the only games in town - > and we've had a couple of high-profile "windows to linux" conversions > hit the news headlines in the last couple of weeks here - for example, > John Lewis are quoted as saying "we ported because Windows couldn't cope > with the growth in demand" :-) > > Just as MS is using its grip on the client to push into the server room, > expect linux to do it the other way round ... > > Cheers, > Wol > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 20 April 2004 04:58 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: What client platform do YOU use (Parallel to GUI thread) > > > > SO, I think to myself, I wonder what the REAL numbers are?. > > According to http://www.google.com/press/zeitgeist.html > > Windows 90%+ > Mac 4% > Linux1% > > If anything over the last few years windows market share has been > increasing as mac which used > to be in excess of 5% fades slightly > > - Robert > > > > > > This transmission is intended for the named recipient only. It may contain private > and confidential information. If this has come to you in error you must not act on > anything disclosed in it, nor must you copy it, modify it, disseminate it in any > way, or show it to anyone. Please e-mail the sender to inform us of the transmission > error or telephone ECA International immediately and delete the e-mail from your > information system. > > Telephone numbers for ECA International offices are: Sydney +61 (0)2 9911 7799, Hong > Kong + 852 2121 2388, London +44 (0)20 7351 5000 and New York +1 212 582 2333. > > -- Karl L. Pearson Director of IT, ATS Industrial Supply Direct: 801-978-4429 Toll-free: 888-972-3182 x29 Fax: 801-972-3888 http://www.atsindustrial.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: What client platform do YOU use (Parallel to GUI thread)
Okay, I'll bite. I use Linux exclusively, other than when forced to run win98 or win2000, which I do on Linux in a VMware Workstation window, with my Linux streaming video or audio running in the background... (my personal touch) Running gnome-terminal in 80x60 mode, I can connect to our traditional 'green screen' APP and see more, especially when coding more 'green screen' parts to our APP. Karl On Mon, 2004-04-19 at 21:35, Ross Ferris wrote: > Anyone up for a little "straw poll" ? > > A recurrent theme that I see played out in this & related forums is the "well, does > it run on MAC or Linux on the Desktop" question. Often, when asked, the people that > raised the issue don't have either platform in their installation - it is merely a > standard question that they feel compelled to ask ?!? > > Maybe it is just me - I don't live in the "big smoke" - but (to date) I simply > haven't seen any significant demand for workstation support (GUI or CUI) outside of > windows. > > SO, I think to myself, I wonder what the REAL numbers are - I mean theory is one > thing, but how do the numbers stack up in the real world? How many people are there > that actually do use, or WANT to use (I'm talking management want here, not the > "gee, if I had my way" kind of thing) non-windows platforms on the desktop ?. > > I'm happy to kick it off. Of the (application) systems that we have installed over > the years, discounting green screens, we have deployed to probably around 1,500 > "workstation" devices --> all Windows (even back as far as 3.11) > > I've had the "Mac" option raised twice - I remember each one clearly ! Once at a > printers (who are 'big' MAC users traditionally) for 3 devices, and once at a > distribution company where the owner had a MAC at home he wanted to use remotely > that's it - potential market 4 out of around 1,500. > > Any other takers ? I need to point out that I'm not LOOKING for exceptions, merely > the "state of the desktop", so if you only have Wintel desktops, please step up & be > counted - and if there is a vast ocean of "hidden" MAC and Linux desktops out there, > please identify yourself > > Ross Ferris > Stamina Software > Visage – an Evolution in Software Development > > > > >> > >>1) Be able to use any Windows, new Mac (unix) or Linux client > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.659 / Virus Database: 423 - Release Date: 15/04/2004 > -- Karl L. Pearson Director of IT, ATS Industrial Supply Direct: 801-978-4429 Toll-free: 888-972-3182 x29 Fax: 801-972-3888 http://www.atsindustrial.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: What client platform do YOU use (Parallel to GUI thread)
As we get U2UG off the ground, one thing we are definitely doing is collecting requests from users. If you want to request that U2 run on OS X, then there either is today or will be "tomorrow" a means to do that. Until then, if you make it clear in a post to this list that you are officially requesting that the U2UG group collecting U2 enhancements add this one to their list, then I suspect we can make it so. Cheers! --dawn Dawn M. Wolthuis Tincat Group, Inc. www.tincat-group.com Take and give some delight today. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron White Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 1:22 PM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: Re: What client platform do YOU use (Parallel to GUI thread) When Apple came out with the XServer we were all excited and started looking at transitioning our servers and clients to the Apple environment. This project never went anywhere because IBM would not commit to supporting UniVerse in that environment. Since Mac and XServer are OS X and OS X is based on FreeBSD 4.x I thought it would be something IBM might want to do to provide an avenue of escape from the M$ strangle hold. No joy... Ron White --- [ Eckel certifies this E-mail to be virus free. ] -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: What client platform do YOU use (Parallel to GUI thread)
Gordon, MacToPic from Rich Love at Carnation. I used it at Quick Intl. -- Sincerely, Charles Barouch www.KeyAlly.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Gordon Glorfield wrote: No no, UD and SB+ were running on Sun Boxes. The Macs were desktop clients. We ran an emulator from Carnation Software. The actual name escapes me right now. Sorry for the confusion, Gordon -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: What client platform do YOU use (Parallel to GUI thread)
The software was Mac to Pic. Thanks Mark Laursen Marriott Vacation Club International (863) 688-7700 Ext. 4339 [EMAIL PROTECTED] This communication contains information from Marriott International, Inc. that may be confidential. Except for personal use by the intended recipient or as expressly authorized by the sender, any person who receives this information is prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing, and/or using it. If you have received this communication in error, please immediately delete it and all copies, and promptly notify the sender. Nothing in this communication is intended to operate as an electronic signature under applicable law. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gordon Glorfield Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 2:36 PM To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' Subject: RE: What client platform do YOU use (Parallel to GUI thread) Are you saying UD/SB+ runs *natively* on Macs? Or that UD has an OS layer for Macs? Or that you used Accuterm/Wintegrate to talk to some kind of server ? Will [snip] No no, UD and SB+ were running on Sun Boxes. The Macs were desktop clients. We ran an emulator from Carnation Software. The actual name escapes me right now. Sorry for the confusion, Gordon Gordon J. Glorfield Sr. Applications Developer MAMSI (A UnitedHealth Company) 301-360-8839 This e-mail, including attachments, may include confidential and/or proprietary information, and may be used only by the person or entity to which it is addressed. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or his or her authorized agent, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by replying to this message and delete this e-mail immediately. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: What client platform do YOU use (Parallel to GUI thread)
Found it. It was called MacToPic. Gordon J. Glorfield Sr. Applications Developer MAMSI (A UnitedHealth Company) 301-360-8839 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gordon Glorfield Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 2:36 PM To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' Subject: RE: What client platform do YOU use (Parallel to GUI thread) Are you saying UD/SB+ runs *natively* on Macs? Or that UD has an OS layer for Macs? Or that you used Accuterm/Wintegrate to talk to some kind of server ? Will [snip] No no, UD and SB+ were running on Sun Boxes. The Macs were desktop clients. We ran an emulator from Carnation Software. The actual name escapes me right now. Sorry for the confusion, Gordon Gordon J. Glorfield Sr. Applications Developer MAMSI (A UnitedHealth Company) 301-360-8839 This e-mail, including attachments, may include confidential and/or proprietary information, and may be used only by the person or entity to which it is addressed. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or his or her authorized agent, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by replying to this message and delete this e-mail immediately. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users This e-mail, including attachments, may include confidential and/or proprietary information, and may be used only by the person or entity to which it is addressed. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or his or her authorized agent, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by replying to this message and delete this e-mail immediately. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: What client platform do YOU use (Parallel to GUI thread)
mac2pick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Gordon Glorfield Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 2:36 PM To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' Subject: RE: What client platform do YOU use (Parallel to GUI thread) Are you saying UD/SB+ runs *natively* on Macs? Or that UD has an OS layer for Macs? Or that you used Accuterm/Wintegrate to talk to some kind of server ? Will [snip] No no, UD and SB+ were running on Sun Boxes. The Macs were desktop clients. We ran an emulator from Carnation Software. The actual name escapes me right now. Sorry for the confusion, Gordon Gordon J. Glorfield Sr. Applications Developer MAMSI (A UnitedHealth Company) 301-360-8839 This e-mail, including attachments, may include confidential and/or proprietary information, and may be used only by the person or entity to which it is addressed. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or his or her authorized agent, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by replying to this message and delete this e-mail immediately. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users This e-mail, including attachments, may include confidential and/or proprietary information, and may be used only by the person or entity to which it is addressed. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or his or her authorized agent, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by replying to this message and delete this e-mail immediately. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: What client platform do YOU use (Parallel to GUI thread)
Are you saying UD/SB+ runs *natively* on Macs? Or that UD has an OS layer for Macs? Or that you used Accuterm/Wintegrate to talk to some kind of server ? Will [snip] No no, UD and SB+ were running on Sun Boxes. The Macs were desktop clients. We ran an emulator from Carnation Software. The actual name escapes me right now. Sorry for the confusion, Gordon Gordon J. Glorfield Sr. Applications Developer MAMSI (A UnitedHealth Company) 301-360-8839 This e-mail, including attachments, may include confidential and/or proprietary information, and may be used only by the person or entity to which it is addressed. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or his or her authorized agent, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by replying to this message and delete this e-mail immediately. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: What client platform do YOU use (Parallel to GUI thread)
In a message dated 4/20/2004 10:01:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > However my previous employer (7 years ago) which was based in > Portland, Oregon had 90% Macs and 10% MS Windows. The accounting department > had the Windows machines. Everyone else (about 200 or so) had Macs. In > fact we did all of our UD/SB+ development on Macs. My understanding is that > they still have that setup at the headquarters but UD/SB+ > was replaced with > a system utilizing Oracle. Are you saying UD/SB+ runs *natively* on Macs? Or that UD has an OS layer for Macs? Or that you used Accuterm/Wintegrate to talk to some kind of server ? Will -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: What client platform do YOU use (Parallel to GUI thread)
When Apple came out with the XServer we were all excited and started looking at transitioning our servers and clients to the Apple environment. This project never went anywhere because IBM would not commit to supporting UniVerse in that environment. Since Mac and XServer are OS X and OS X is based on FreeBSD 4.x I thought it would be something IBM might want to do to provide an avenue of escape from the M$ strangle hold. No joy... Ron White --- [ Eckel certifies this E-mail to be virus free. ] -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: What client platform do YOU use (Parallel to GUI thread)
Wol said: It's difficult to tell (of course) but anecdotal evidence says that linux has overtaken Mac on the desktop. Bear in mind that linux browsers often identify themselves as IE in order to fool stupid sites in to working :-( -->either way (Mac or linux) it is unix. There are variations in all flavors of Unix, but they are about as much as the differences between various versions of windows (from an end-user perspective). I use XP today and was the only person at a recent small Sun conference (< 200 people) not using either a Mac or Linux. The Sun employees were all carrying Macs and one person who I never would have expected to care about his client-OS told me that he was really surprised to find out how much he liked his Mac. At this point, I suspect that if we are addressing a rich variety of users, we need software that can handle Windows or Unix on clients, http/middle tier servers, and database servers (ignoring Palm OS, for example). It almost makes you want to write software to some sort of virtual machine that runs on all such platforms ... hey, there's a thought! Smiles. --dawn -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: What client platform do YOU use (Parallel to GUI thread)
[snip] I wonder what the REAL numbers are - I mean theory is one thing, but how do the numbers stack up in the real world? How many people are there that actually do use, or WANT to use (I'm talking management want here, not the "gee, if I had my way" kind of thing) non-windows platforms on the desktop ?. [snip] At this current job we are virtually a total MS shop on the desktop. That is to say that we have around 3300 Windows machines and 4 (count 'em 4) Macs. The Macs are used by the graphic art department. The last company I worked for (3 years ago) was an aluminum smelter and was total MS. However my previous employer (7 years ago) which was based in Portland, Oregon had 90% Macs and 10% MS Windows. The accounting department had the Windows machines. Everyone else (about 200 or so) had Macs. In fact we did all of our UD/SB+ development on Macs. My understanding is that they still have that setup at the headquarters but UD/SB+ was replaced with a system utilizing Oracle. Gordon J. Glorfield Sr. Applications Developer MAMSI (A UnitedHealth Company) 301-360-8839 This e-mail, including attachments, may include confidential and/or proprietary information, and may be used only by the person or entity to which it is addressed. If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient or his or her authorized agent, the reader is hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by replying to this message and delete this e-mail immediately. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: What client platform do YOU use (Parallel to GUI thread)
It's not a "performance" issue, so much as the UI itself. I don’t believe that you can automatically 'translate' from 24 x 80 to GUI and end up with a "reasonable" result of necessity it may look 'screen scraped', UNLESS the GUI UI is "tweaked" Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage – an Evolution in Software Development >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Debster >Sent: Tuesday, 20 April 2004 11:39 PM >To: U2 Users Discussion List >Subject: RE: What client platform do YOU use (Parallel to GUI thread) > >dunno about thatThere are many that can flip based on the users profile >and as long as the underlying code is written to accomodate it I have never >seen a problem in performance > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.661 / Virus Database: 424 - Release Date: 19/04/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: What client platform do YOU use (Parallel to GUI thread)
dunno about thatThere are many that can flip based on the users profile and as long as the underlying code is written to accomodate it I have never seen a problem in performance -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ross Ferris Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 9:28 AM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: What client platform do YOU use (Parallel to GUI thread) Jon, The ".edu" may say it all, as this is a market we don’t operate in, and I understand that many on this list do. I wonder if the same would be true in the ".mil" or even ".gov" space ? I think Brian gave a reasonable insight into the different "mindset" required for GUI. I imagine that your Vendor may have taken a 'minimalist' approach to their "GUI Migration(?)", I'm suspicious of any technique/product that tries to drive CUI & GUI at the same time UNLESS the "GUI" implementation can be independently 'tweaked' & optimised - which means that you really end up with 2 development streams. Perhaps it is just that we couldn't master this :-), but back when was a FAT TE, OUR GUI results were so obviously NOT windows that the product never made it out the door ! You said you had 30% Macs - can you tell me how many devices this is, and are other 70% Wintel ? Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage – an Evolution in Software Development >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Jon Wells >Sent: Tuesday, 20 April 2004 10:47 PM >To: U2 Users Discussion List >Subject: Re: What client platform do YOU use (Parallel to GUI thread) > >Ross, > >We do have Mac's here, around 30%. We have some Linux desktops as >well. We even have at least one Mac with Linux loaded. Currently our >Mac's run Comet to telnet into our system. The GUI our vendor expects us >to use is Wintegrate based. It is absolutely terrible for heads down data >entry and it does not work on Mac's. The interface that H & R Block has >uses standard heads down keystrokes, handles type-ahead well, while >enjoying the benefits of a GUI. The contrast to our GUI is, well... I'm >jealous. > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.661 / Virus Database: 424 - Release Date: 19/04/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: What client platform do YOU use (Parallel to GUI thread)
Jon, The ".edu" may say it all, as this is a market we don’t operate in, and I understand that many on this list do. I wonder if the same would be true in the ".mil" or even ".gov" space ? I think Brian gave a reasonable insight into the different "mindset" required for GUI. I imagine that your Vendor may have taken a 'minimalist' approach to their "GUI Migration(?)", I'm suspicious of any technique/product that tries to drive CUI & GUI at the same time UNLESS the "GUI" implementation can be independently 'tweaked' & optimised - which means that you really end up with 2 development streams. Perhaps it is just that we couldn't master this :-), but back when was a FAT TE, OUR GUI results were so obviously NOT windows that the product never made it out the door ! You said you had 30% Macs - can you tell me how many devices this is, and are other 70% Wintel ? Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage – an Evolution in Software Development >-Original Message- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >Behalf Of Jon Wells >Sent: Tuesday, 20 April 2004 10:47 PM >To: U2 Users Discussion List >Subject: Re: What client platform do YOU use (Parallel to GUI thread) > >Ross, > >We do have Mac's here, around 30%. We have some Linux desktops as >well. We even have at least one Mac with Linux loaded. Currently our >Mac's run Comet to telnet into our system. The GUI our vendor expects us >to use is Wintegrate based. It is absolutely terrible for heads down data >entry and it does not work on Mac's. The interface that H & R Block has >uses standard heads down keystrokes, handles type-ahead well, while >enjoying the benefits of a GUI. The contrast to our GUI is, well... I'm >jealous. > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.661 / Virus Database: 424 - Release Date: 19/04/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: What client platform do YOU use (Parallel to GUI thread)
Ross, We do have Mac's here, around 30%. We have some Linux desktops as well. We even have at least one Mac with Linux loaded. Currently our Mac's run Comet to telnet into our system. The GUI our vendor expects us to use is Wintegrate based. It is absolutely terrible for heads down data entry and it does not work on Mac's. The interface that H & R Block has uses standard heads down keystrokes, handles type-ahead well, while enjoying the benefits of a GUI. The contrast to our GUI is, well... I'm jealous. At 10:35 PM 4/19/2004, you wrote: Anyone up for a little "straw poll" ? A recurrent theme that I see played out in this & related forums is the "well, does it run on MAC or Linux on the Desktop" question. Often, when asked, the people that raised the issue don't have either platform in their installation - it is merely a standard question that they feel compelled to ask ?!? Maybe it is just me - I don't live in the "big smoke" - but (to date) I simply haven't seen any significant demand for workstation support (GUI or CUI) outside of windows. SO, I think to myself, I wonder what the REAL numbers are - I mean theory is one thing, but how do the numbers stack up in the real world? How many people are there that actually do use, or WANT to use (I'm talking management want here, not the "gee, if I had my way" kind of thing) non-windows platforms on the desktop ?. I'm happy to kick it off. Of the (application) systems that we have installed over the years, discounting green screens, we have deployed to probably around 1,500 "workstation" devices --> all Windows (even back as far as 3.11) I've had the "Mac" option raised twice - I remember each one clearly ! Once at a printers (who are 'big' MAC users traditionally) for 3 devices, and once at a distribution company where the owner had a MAC at home he wanted to use remotely that's it - potential market 4 out of around 1,500. Any other takers ? I need to point out that I'm not LOOKING for exceptions, merely the "state of the desktop", so if you only have Wintel desktops, please step up & be counted - and if there is a vast ocean of "hidden" MAC and Linux desktops out there, please identify yourself Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage an Evolution in Software Development *---* Jon Wells Database Administrator Beloit College Information Services & Resources Beloit, Wisconsin 608-363-2290[EMAIL PROTECTED] 608-363-2100(fax) *---* AIX 5.1.3 IBM RS6000 F50 UniData 5.1.35 *---* -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: What client platform do YOU use (Parallel to GUI thread)
It's difficult to tell (of course) but anecdotal evidence says that linux has overtaken Mac on the desktop. Bear in mind that linux browsers often identify themselves as IE in order to fool stupid sites in to working :-( Oh - and we're *guaranteed* a massive collision in server space within the next 18 months or so ... Linux is at 25% of the market and growing at 50% a year, Windows is still nudging slowly upwards and at 55%. Obviously, if the market itself grows, then this combination of figures could be sustained a bit longer, but absent that the alternatives will have disappeared and linux and windows will be the only games in town - and we've had a couple of high-profile "windows to linux" conversions hit the news headlines in the last couple of weeks here - for example, John Lewis are quoted as saying "we ported because Windows couldn't cope with the growth in demand" :-) Just as MS is using its grip on the client to push into the server room, expect linux to do it the other way round ... Cheers, Wol -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 20 April 2004 04:58 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: What client platform do YOU use (Parallel to GUI thread) > SO, I think to myself, I wonder what the REAL numbers are?. According to http://www.google.com/press/zeitgeist.html Windows 90%+ Mac 4% Linux1% If anything over the last few years windows market share has been increasing as mac which used to be in excess of 5% fades slightly - Robert This transmission is intended for the named recipient only. It may contain private and confidential information. If this has come to you in error you must not act on anything disclosed in it, nor must you copy it, modify it, disseminate it in any way, or show it to anyone. Please e-mail the sender to inform us of the transmission error or telephone ECA International immediately and delete the e-mail from your information system. Telephone numbers for ECA International offices are: Sydney +61 (0)2 9911 7799, Hong Kong + 852 2121 2388, London +44 (0)20 7351 5000 and New York +1 212 582 2333. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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> SO, I think to myself, I wonder what the REAL numbers are?. According to http://www.google.com/press/zeitgeist.html Windows 90%+ Mac 4% Linux1% If anything over the last few years windows market share has been increasing as mac which used to be in excess of 5% fades slightly - Robert-- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
What client platform do YOU use (Parallel to GUI thread)
Anyone up for a little "straw poll" ? A recurrent theme that I see played out in this & related forums is the "well, does it run on MAC or Linux on the Desktop" question. Often, when asked, the people that raised the issue don't have either platform in their installation - it is merely a standard question that they feel compelled to ask ?!? Maybe it is just me - I don't live in the "big smoke" - but (to date) I simply haven't seen any significant demand for workstation support (GUI or CUI) outside of windows. SO, I think to myself, I wonder what the REAL numbers are - I mean theory is one thing, but how do the numbers stack up in the real world? How many people are there that actually do use, or WANT to use (I'm talking management want here, not the "gee, if I had my way" kind of thing) non-windows platforms on the desktop ?. I'm happy to kick it off. Of the (application) systems that we have installed over the years, discounting green screens, we have deployed to probably around 1,500 "workstation" devices --> all Windows (even back as far as 3.11) I've had the "Mac" option raised twice - I remember each one clearly ! Once at a printers (who are 'big' MAC users traditionally) for 3 devices, and once at a distribution company where the owner had a MAC at home he wanted to use remotely that's it - potential market 4 out of around 1,500. Any other takers ? I need to point out that I'm not LOOKING for exceptions, merely the "state of the desktop", so if you only have Wintel desktops, please step up & be counted - and if there is a vast ocean of "hidden" MAC and Linux desktops out there, please identify yourself Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage – an Evolution in Software Development >> >>1) Be able to use any Windows, new Mac (unix) or Linux client --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.659 / Virus Database: 423 - Release Date: 15/04/2004 -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
