Re: email change
you should have an unsubscribe confirmation email to your old address and a subscribe confirmation email to your new address, I pressed the buttons for you Alan. On 28/10/13 18:31, rodney jackson wrote: How do I change my email for this group I am currently getting emails from this group with this email: jackson...@sbcglobal.net mailto:jackson...@sbcglobal.net But after this week this email is going to be closed, I am needing to change it to jackson.rodney.1...@gmail.com mailto:jackson.rodney.1...@gmail.com Any helpe would be appreciated. rodney -- I work at http://libertus.co.uk -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Ubuntu and a screenreader
On 18/10/13 01:29, tapper wrote: hi what's going on with the new Ubuntu: can i as a blind computer user install it with speech. are you going to update the wiki or even do a blog post about it. i will be very happy if you can get back to me and let me no as win 8 is a pile! thanks Tapper sorry, it is dreadful to install at the moment, there are about 7 dots at the bottom of the ubiquity installer, each one isn't really a dot, it is a progress bar with zero length, this means that every page of the installer will read out loads of progress bar statuses https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1154345 You can fight your way through this, but it is hard. Hopefully 14.04 will be installable as an LTS. Alan. -- I work at http://libertus.co.uk -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: I have a real show stopper here
it is ctrl+S after the sound of the drums. If you don't hear the drums then it is possible that there is an issue with your audio and orca has cheerfully started and is silently talking. The installer is basically broken at the moment because there are 7 progress bars at the bottom of the screen which are visually very very short because they are being used to be coloured dots. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1154345 I will poke some people about that bug, low seems a bit inappropriate given how unuseable it makes the installer Alan. On 01/10/13 15:03, eric oyen wrote: Hello everyone. I have a real show stopper here. I can't seem to get orca to start up from the installer dvd. I tried control-s right at boot and nothing. the documentation doesn't seem to suggest any other way to do this. is there another way? I really would like to have an operational linux machine here. I have tried Vinux, but there isn't a lot of available software other than a few paltry apps and the gnome desktop. I need this working. HELP! eric -- I work at http://libertus.co.uk -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Ringtail accessibility (from actually testing it)
I installed Ringtail yesterday from the daily iso image, I took a video while doing it but I need to edit that down before posting it. Once you have a computer that will boot from USB (bit of fiddling in the bios with no audio available) it boots to a grub menu. First option is to run the desktop, second option is to install ubuntu, so cursor down and enter after booting. After the drums, wait a couple of seconds then press ctrl+s to start orca Alt-tab doesn't work to get to the ubiquity window, so you have to use a mouse. The mouse cursor starts out in the center of the screen and is in the right place, so you just have to make a left mouse button click happen to move focus to ubiquity. Once in ubiquity it works as before. I would strongly recommend being plugged in to wired internet for the installation process - connecting to wifi is challenging (and might not work depending on your wifi card) and if you are not connected to the internet it won't correctly guess your location, timezone and keyboard preferences and will assume you are in New York, USA with a US keyboard layout. Apart from that I could proceed through the ubiquity screens to the end, restart and boot into a desktop with orca running. First time I did it the unity dash spoke the button names for applications, but since then it has been silent. The launcher speaks OK and other applications work as before. So the regressions are - starts with a grub menu (this is probably temporary) - no alt-tab at the start of ubiquity, you need a mouse click. the rest is the same bugs as before as far as I can tell. Alan. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
UDS session on Accessibility
The Ubuntu Developer Summit is where the development activities for the next 6 months are planned, the next one is next week in Copenhagen. There is an hour session dedicated to accessibility, this is currently scheduled to be on Monday at 12:00 CET (time may change) the link to the session details page is here: http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-r/meeting/21359/desktop-r-accessibility/ there will be streaming audio for the session Alan. -- Libertus Solutions http://libertus.co.uk -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: [Desktop13.04-Topic] accessibility
I would like the text cursor tracking zoom to be incorporated, there is code that works, it just needs to be incorporated properly https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/727290 https://code.launchpad.net/~gloob/compiz/texttracking I can understand dropping the themes, Unity doesn't really work with any non-default themes, accessible or otherwise. Why not go one step further and drop theme support? If themes are to come back in general it would be good to have some designed for low vision users in the list. Providing alternative GUIs for controlling some of the excellent compiz accessibility features would be good, show mouse is another one that is really good (stars that float around the mouse cursor without obscuring it). The OpenGL accelerated Enhanced zoom is fantastic - and actually makes the spread usable if you have more than about a dozen windows - you can zoom in and pan around, they are not all tiny thumbnails, we have this in, and turn it off by default (or have no key/mouse bindings for it) and it is one of the best features of the whole operating system! Alan. On 16/10/12 04:09, Jeremy Bicha wrote: I have three accessibility items. First, I'd like to drop the HighContrastInverse LowContrast themes. GNOME dropped support for these two themes late this cycle and they can no longer be set in an unpatched gnome-control-center. The idea is that this one theme will be significantly better than trying to support three mediocre themes. I hacked in support for these themes for 3.6.0 in Ubuntu 12.10 but gnome-themes-standard 3.6.1 isn't building for me yet with the hack. The two dropped themes aren't really terribly usable anyway, and unless someone steps up to maintain them, it's not worth the headache to try to keep them building. My second item is a requested feature. It would be really great if Unity would support the zoom and color effects built in to GNOME 3.6. By setting inverse or adjusting the brightness/conast this way, all apps (even web pages in your web browser) will respect your color setting. http://bicha.net/img/gnome-zoom1.png http://bicha.net/img/gnome-zoom2.png http://bicha.net/img/gnome-zoom3.png And finally, Unity includes a mostly hidden accessibility status menu. It's probably a good thing it's hidden as it's almost useless at the moment. I filed bug http://pad.lv/1067166 requesting that a replacement be designed and included in 13.04. Jeremy -- I work at http://libertus.co.uk -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: inaccessible ubiquity
have you got a bug number? On 06/10/12 20:35, Dave Hunt wrote: Yes, and the error is something like, tool kit does not exist, for what should be each line in the installation dialogues. This is true of both the version of Ubiquity in the standard 12.10 daily builds and the GNOME-Shell remix Beta. Best, Dave H. On 10/06/2012 04:24 AM, Simon Eigeldinger wrote: hi all, i guess many people reported or found out that ubiquity currently seems not to be accessible for orca. after selecting the language and hitting continue orca can't read anything in ubiquity. greetings, simon -- I work at http://libertus.co.uk -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Will be ship Quantal with Liblouis 2.5.0 or 2.5.1 release? Very important packaging a new version to works Orca with contracted braille feature in Ubuntu 12.10.
looks like this is 2.4.1 in Debian too http://packages.debian.org/source/sid/liblouis so this is more than a sync request from debian Alan. On 28/09/12 08:17, Hammer Attila wrote: Hy, With Quantal (Ubuntu 12.10) ship now with Liblouis 2.4.1 release, but this release the Python binding (python-louis package) is not Python3 compatible. Orca Screen Reader supports contracted braille feature, but this feature now unusable with Ubuntu 12.10 version, because shipped Liblouis version is too old. Liblouis developers released with Liblouis 2.5.0 and 2.5.1 release. The 2.5.0 release containing lot of bug fixes and enhancements (for example braille table improvements), since 2.5.0 version the Python bindings is both Python2 and Python3 compatible. I using Liblouis 2.5.1 release with Ubuntu 12.04 without any problem. Liblouis 2.5.0 version containing following bug fixes and new features: The liblouis developer team is proud to announce the liblouis release 2.5.0. The release is available for download at: http://code.google.com/p/liblouis/downloads/list Introduction Liblouis is an open-source braille translator and back-translator. It features support for computer, literary and math braille, supports contracted and uncontracted translation for many, many languages[1]. It plays an important role in an open source accessibility stack and is used by screenreaders such as NVDA and Orca. A companion project liblouisutdml/liblouisxml[2] deals with formatting of braille. Changes in this release --- This release contains a tremendous amount of work many developers. Many long standing bugs have been fixed. The tables can finally be in UTF-8. A grand table cleanup removed duplication from the tables. There are now two extensive test frameworks for table writers. A number of new tables have been contributed on top of the usual assortment of table improvements. Thanks to all of this liblouis has already seen quite a bit of uptake in a number of places, notably the new DAISY pipeline will ship with this release of liblouis. NOTE: If you have private tables you might want to migrate them to utf-8. To do this just use iconv as follows: $ iconv -f latin-1 -t utf-8 input output New features ~ * New Braille tables - Estonian grade 0, thanks to Jürgen Dengo. - Portuguese 8 dot Computer braille, Thanks to Rui Fontes * UTF-8 support in tables Braille tables can now contain UTF-8 in the opcode arguments. * Improvements to the python bindings All constants defined in liblouis.h are now exposed in the bindings. * Add a doctest infrastructure These tests are based on the Python doctest framework and are only run if there is a Python interpreter on the system * Add a test harness This test infrastructure allows the user to do table tests in a simple and concise syntax. These tests are based on the Python nose testing framework and are only run if either Python 2.x or 3.x with the related nose python module is installed on the system. See the documentation for more information. Thanks to Mesar Hameed. * Add a test harness generator A harness generator that uses simple text files with a little formatting to help to generate the json harness files. The purpose of this tool is to make it much easier and faster to add checks for a given table. You are expected to read the generated harness file and make necessary changes, the tool only helps you to get the tests into the harness format, not check their validity. * Support for Python 3 in the Python bindings The Python bindings now work for both Python 2 and Python 3. Thanks to Michael Whapples. Improved C-based test framework - Improved the test framework to be able to test translations involving Unicode. - Added numerous tests, e.g. for lowercase and Unicode, for the input position, for repeated, etc. Improved the documentation ~~~ - Document the test harness (json format, fields, flags). - Document the use of Valgrind to find memory leaks - Improve the documentation on the display opcode Bug fixes ~~ - lou_allround and lou_translate now properly handle Unicode characters - Fix some issues reported by Valgrind - Fix inputPos for situation where context and multipass opcodes are involved - Fixed a number of bugs with the letter, uppercase and lowercase opcodes when dealing with Unicode - Fixed a couple of bugs with hyphenation (documentation, Python bindings and a number of buffer overruns in the C library). Thanks Milan Zamazal p...@brailcom.org for reporting this. - Fix a bug in the $a. matcher in the multipass rules where only 32 chars were matched. It now matches 0x chars. - Fix a bug reported by James Teh related to pass1Only Braille Table Improvements ~~~ - all table files have consistent encoding, UTF-8. - The grand table
Re: virtualbox
hello, yes I have had problems with 12.10 in virtualbox for sound, https://launchpad.net/bugs/1016969 it is possible to get to the pulse audio dialog and change the device to one of the two LFE devices, I can try it again later and provide the exact key sequence to do so. I didn't tag that bug as an a11y bug because it is an audio totally broken for everyone bug rather than orca specific issue even though it does mean that Quantal is basically untestable in virtualbox for blind users. It does boot OK when testing on real hardware and you get the drums and ctrl+s starts orca as normal. Ubiquity has changed a bit but I can get all the way through it without cheating and turning my monitor on, I will do a full keystroke guide and audio/video at some point pre-release. Alan. On 19/09/12 13:54, Peter Vágner wrote: Hello, I am running Ubuntu 12.04 64 bit as the main OS. I have installed virtual box using software centre and checked all the additions during setup e.g. 32 bit kernel support and network ethernet driver. At the end of a virtualbox install I have just rebooted the machine to make sure everything is in its place. Then after the boot I have createda new machine in the virtualbox and I am currently trying to boot a daily live 32 bit image of ubuntu 12:10 inside it. The virtual machine launches I am even getting informative messages regarding direct mouse and keyboard capture but I am not getting that usual drum sounds coming from the guest OS. Is my install of virtualbox screwed or ubuntu 12.10 has changed something in this regard? I have also waited some 10 minutes in case and pressed ctrl+s without any audible difference. In the virtual machine settings window I have audio turned on and set to pulse. Any possible hints? Is anyone running 12.04 in virtualbox with sound output? oh btw on the host OS I can see vbox channel while looking into the pulseaudio volume control. Greetings Peter -- I work at http://libertus.co.uk -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: hud is speaking
On 16/05/12 21:31, Vojtěch Polášek wrote: Hi, I would like to announce, that HUD is accessible. I don't know which update caused it, but it speaks with latest orca from master, as well as with orca provided in ubuntu repositories. Just type something and press up or down arrow to get to offered options. I don't know if it has any other capabilities. Vojta nice. That is basically what the HUD does, it scoops up everything in the menu of the current application and lets you type stuff and it presents the top 5 matches, if you select one it does the same as navigating to that menu option would have done. There are some concept designs of it doing more stuff in the future (like presenting bits of dialog boxes or other controls) and it has been pointed out to the relevant people that accessibility should be designed into that. Alan. -- I work at http://libertus.co.uk -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Unity-3D and accessibility
On 04/05/12 16:39, Nadine Ledwig wrote: Hello, I'm highly sight impaired, and the last two years, I was used to use ubuntu 10.4 with orca and the compiz plugins eZoom-Desktop and negativeplugin. Now, i installed ubuntu 12.04 on my desktop and I've some problems. In unity-2d, dash and louncher works well, but i can not zoom and invert colors. Without that two features, it is hard to use my computer for me. In unity-3d, i configured that two plugins and it works well. But, dash, louncher, and the alt+tab task switcher are not spoken by orca and not zoomed. That means, they are nearly unusable for me. I can only open the dash, starting to type and press enter, and hope the right application will start. Is there an aditional package to make unity-3d accessible for orca? Or is it possible to use unity-2d in conjunction with compiz? Hope for help, Nadine unity3d is somewhat accessible with orca, but as you note the dash and some other stuff isn't really working. Zooming doesn't work on the panel and launcher (except for the badly implemented and annoying top bar shadow . . .) because that is all drawn through the nux toolkit which is unaffected by any compiz transforms. I know this is really bad for a huge number of people with mild to moderate vision issues (almost certainly our largest group of users of assistive tools - basically anyone who might wear glasses and enjoy the large print section of the local library) and I will be raising this at the Ubuntu Developer summit next week. unity2d with compiz might be a better strategy, and in fact unity2d with the Wayland compositor might be the real way forward, I have been talking to the wayland developers about accessibility including orca and zoom and text cursor tracking zoom and colour filters, it is important to get this stuff in as early as possible and designed in, rather than tacked on afterwards. With features like the HUD landing broken and the global menus all being checkbox menu items until we got the hint set right and the shortcut overlay being totally inaccessible it is clear that accessibility isn't being designed in early enough to new features and this is creating more unbudgeted work as people try to fix the broken stuff that was never designed to be accessible. Alan. -- I work at http://libertus.co.uk -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: no login sound in 12.04
on my laptop it is in the startup applications but turned of, the command it runs is: /usr/bin/canberra-gtk-play --id=desktop-login --description=GNOME Login I will have a poke about on a cleaner install later. Alan. On 11/04/12 08:12, Christopher Chaltain wrote: Doesn't Orca usually come up talking when you log on? I agree it's good to turn on the log on sound, but I'm not sure how critical it is, and I'm not sure the Ubuntu Accessibility team needs to tell us something we can look up or figure out for ourselves. For example, I went to Google and found the web page: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/12/ubuntu-12-04-login-sound-to-be-disabled-by-default/ On this page it says that you can enable the log on sound initially by going into startup applications and then later by going into sound settings. Since Jose couldn't find it in the startup applications, I wonder if it's been moved to the sound settings by now. I don't have a copy of Ubuntu 12.04 lying around to check myself though. On 11/04/12 02:01, krishnakant Mane wrote: Then I must request Ubuntu accessibility fokes to kindly inform this list about how to turn it on. It will bennifit people like us very much. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 11/04/2012, Christopher Chaltainchalt...@gmail.com wrote: It was turned off by default because people were complaining that it would disturb the people around them. They pointed out the use case to me where a student would be booting the Live CD or the USB stick in a classroom environment. You should be able to turn it back on though, although I'm not sure where to find this setting. Note that leaving the drums on at startup was left on by default as an accessibility aid. On 11/04/12 01:50, krishnakant Mane wrote: Hey, I had the same question. I guess it should be there by default. Basically its an important accessibility queue, and even sighted users find it useful IMHO. Happy hacking. Krishnakant. On 11/04/2012, José Vilmar Estácio de Souzavil...@informal.com.br wrote: Hi all. What happened to the login sound in 12.04? I can hear the drum sound before orca but I do not hear the login sound after I type my password and press the enter key. I read that I can enable the login in the start up applications but I didn't find it in the start up applications. -- The Open Learning Centre is rebranding, find out about our new name and look at http://libertus.co.uk -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: ubuntu 12.04 and alt+tab
On 13/03/12 21:22, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote: Hi, I don't have an answer, but can you test something please? 1. Launch terminal. 2. Press the alt key, only the alt key. What happens? In my environment orca reads shell filler. Thanks. I think this is because it has opened the HUD which is a thing a bit like the dash visually, it is a search box that searches through the menu of the current application. It is not correctly accessible at the moment which is a shame, it consists of a field and 5 suggestions below of what you might mean. For example if you have focus in gedit you can hit alt and type insert and the top option in the list of 5 will be edit insert date and time. It does some fuzzy matching and guesswork to come up with the suggestions. Last time I tested it read out all 5 suggestions in unity2d as push button and was silent in unity3d which is sub-optimal. this is bug 949445 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-appmenu/+bug/949445 and I am sure that Ted and Gord will be right on to this soon Alan. -- The Open Learning Centre is rebranding, find out about our new name and look at http://libertus.co.uk -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: innaccessible installer on ubuntu 12.04?
On 12/03/12 18:57, Lucas Radaelli wrote: Thank you all. I have read on a blog post about this procedure for 11.04, and didn't know that it would work on 12.04 too. I was waiting for the drumms, but as I didn't hear anything (I am on a noise place), I thought the procedure changed. Thank you. it has been noticed sometimes that the installer starts muted. I have seen this happen, but I can't reproduce it reliably. If anyone can figure out the circumstances that makes it start muted that would be very interesting. Alan. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: (In)Accessibility of Unity in current Precise
totally agree, and sharing this with the unity-design list so more people can see it. 12.04 had been pretty decent compared to other development cycles up to a few weeks ago, then it all went wrong. I am not happy about some of the stuff that landed this cycle with zero design consideration for accessibility. Stuff like the shortcuts overlay on long hold of the super key is quite literally broken by design. The HUD landed in 3d and now Unity2d with no functionality for screen reader users (silent in 3d all suggestions are push button in 2d), currently the global menu and indicators are almost entirely broken, probably due to the same thing that broke the menus. I know there have been improvements, tedg has done an improvement to the menus by applying role hints to stop everything being a checkbox menu item (caused by the global menu using a check box menu item for everything irrespective of whether it is semantically a checkbox item just because they *look* the same). Menus are currently silent except for reading out the hint (checkbox or radio button) and the shortcuts. I think some of the indicators were briefly not called image, but right now they all appear to be called window. I want to start doing some documentation and screencasts and filing of small bugs and fixing strings, but I can't do any polishing because it is all broken. I do know that Unity was supposed to not land broken this cycle, but I can't imagine that orca or onboard feature in the pre-landing test scripts. Are these scripts published? Alan. On 06/03/12 14:04, Nolan Darilek wrote: Ugh! We get to this point in every release, where there are patches for a whole bunch of issues that take forever to land. Meanwhile, testers can't examine the new release to see what new issues were revealed after the fixing of the old. So there's no accessibility *test* cycle, just a bunch of bugs that go away after it's too late to address the newly-revealed ones. Meanwhile, accessibility users aren't confident in the newer betas, as even the final release can contain major issues that block productive use. This isn't a slam on Luke, but on Canonical. If Canonical is pushing out Ubuntu for Android, surely they can put more accessibility people on the Ubuntu project, especially as it rolls out everywhere. It's going to be *more* important to have a highly accessible Ubuntu if it runs on my phone, tablet and TV. Canonical is in an awesome position to fix this once and have it run across the board, yet I only see Luke addressing patches and other volunteers occasionally popping in to remark on things. Seems I've asked this before, but whom do we have to ask to get Canonical to put more people on the accessibility team as they surely are doing so for mobile/TV development? Is there some process other than posting to this list again to better let our voices be heard? When folks patch these accessibility issues, those patches should land in a short timeframe. As of now I'm on 11.04 because 11.10 had accessibility issues I couldn't live with, and 12.04 is shaping up to be the same. Unfortunately, Firefox is moving on, and I'm experiencing focus stickage/accessibility hangs that aren't likely to be fixed because I'm on GNOME 2.32, and I can't see things getting better as Firefox rockets onward, either. If I don't get feedback on how to approach Canonical, I'll put up and promote a change.org petition before the week is out. We need to get more people helping Luke ASAP, especially as I for one don't want to get left behind when Ubuntu lands on Android. Canonical, please stop deprioritizing accessibility. 11.10 was a transitional release that was highly broken in many respects. Blind users at least can't wait until 12.10 for an Ubuntu with speaking menus, speaking notifications and access to content in Ubuntu's default mail client. On 03/06/2012 04:39 AM, Boris Dušek wrote: Hello, my colleague is using current Precise with Orca and Unity 2D and is encountering the following problems: 1. In 2D, if you open the menu using Alt+letter (e.g. Alt+S for Soubor in Czech, could be Alt+F for File in English), it does not announce menu item names when navigating left/right and up/down. 2. In 3D, neither Dash (Alt+F2) nor Launcher (Alt+F1) are accessible (you can navigate them, but no speech) Luke mentioned for some of these problems that patch exists or is even coming some time ago (approx. half of February), but the problems above still persist. Can I find some of those patches anywhere so that I can make a patched version of Unity? Or better, are those patches coming in some updated unity package for Precise? Thanks and best regards, Boris Dušek BRAILCOM,o.p.s. -- The Open Learning Centre is rebranding, find out about our new name and look at http://libertus.co.uk -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com
Re: (In)Accessibility of Unity in current Precise
On 06/03/12 14:47, Nolan Darilek wrote: Wait, you mean there's *this much breakage* in a *beta*? yes. There are expected to be broken things in a beta, but I do agree that if the with-eyes experience was as bad as it is eyes-free right now then it probably wouldn't go out of the door. On the plus side I do believe that the fixes are really quite small, and then I expect it will be quite good in comparison to older releases. What concerns me the most is that things are not being tested until too late. *Designs* are not tested for accessibility. The design team should be doing accessibility testing before anyone writes any code. It should be known roughly what script an orca user would hear when going through the dash or the hud or the menus etc. before they get coded up. This is massively easier to do than drawing pictures for the visual design (it is just text) and would probably help the design and implementation process much more than it would be any kind of overhead. I don't use that sort of language lightly on public mailing lists, yeah, best not to. It doesn't really make your point any stronger and then people end up focussing on that and not the broken software that needs fixing. Alan -- The Open Learning Centre is rebranding, find out about our new name and look at http://libertus.co.uk -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Brainstorm.ubuntu.com inaccessible account creation process
On 06/03/12 20:05, Christopher Chaltain wrote: What account creation process are you talking about? Where are you trying to create an account? I'm not going to say you don't have valid reasons to be disappointed, but I wouldn't give up hope on 12.04 altogether. We're only a week or two past feature freeze, and we're only on the first beta for 12.04. I agree it would have been better if accessibility had played a bigger role during the design and development phases, but there is still time to get bugs resolved. yes, and these issues are being raised with the relevant developers. I'm also not sure about the relationship between Gnome and Unity, but I thought 12.04 would be shipping with Unity and not Gnome 3. Unity is a shell for Gnome, but it is not Gnome-Shell. Unity will be shipping with most of the stuff that is considered the Gnome 3 desktop, but there will be some bits and pieces that are Gnome 2 I believe. The Gnome desktop is a heap of applications from the Gnome project, including stuff like Gedit, Orca etc. One application in the full Gnome 3 desktop is Gnome-Shell. That isn't being shipped by default but that application can be installed. Alan. -- The Open Learning Centre is rebranding, find out about our new name and look at http://libertus.co.uk -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Brainstorm.ubuntu.com inaccessible account creation process
On 06/03/12 18:16, Nolan Darilek wrote: I thought I'd post to Brainstorm about this, so I wrote a letter. Only, the account creation process uses an ASCII CAPTCHA with no audio equivalent. I can't even run that past WebVisum. I'll figure something else out, I guess. Ugh this is disheartening. I was so looking forward to a 12.04 release that, while not perfect, would at least give me a working GNOME 3 and current at-spi2. that is an ascii art captcha, which is interesting, not seen one of those before. If you use IRC feel free to message me the captcha and I will tell you what it says. I am AlanBell on the freenode network. Alan. -- The Open Learning Centre is rebranding, find out about our new name and look at http://libertus.co.uk -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Installing Ubuntu via Wubi and getting Orca up and running automatically
hello, I am not completely certain about the wubi thing as I don't have Windows, but normally when installing 11.10 you boot the CD or USB image, wait for the sound of the drums, this means the ubiquity installer is started, then press ctrl+s to start orca, from there you can alt-tab back to the ubiquity window and proceed with the install or go to a live desktop. Alan. -- The Open Learning Centre is rebranding, find out about our new name and look at http://libertus.co.uk -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Smoother Panning in GNOME Shell Magnifier
I guess there must be a performance penalty from polling the mouse so often (can't imagine why that setting exists if there isn't one) and that value is in milliseconds, so 1/1000 of a second. Assuming a screen refresh rate of 60Hz each screen refresh takes 16ms so I think if the setting is put at 15ms then a mouse poll will happen during every screen refresh cycle. From my testing I can't tell the difference between a setting of 15 and a setting of 1. Whatever the performance hit is (I couldn't detect one but a low performance netbook might struggle) I would imagine that a setting of 15 would be easier to argue to move to than 1 because its only a change of about a factor of 3 rather than a factor of 50. Is 15 as good as 1 for you? Alan. On 26/01/12 02:01, Robert cole wrote: Hello, everyone. Well, I did a slight bit of tinkering with the GNOME Shell Magnifier settings today (I love that I can tinker in Linux!). I am not trying to complain by any means, so I hope that this does not sound as such. I have been trying out Unity2D in Ubuntu 11.10, which I recently installed onto my desktop system to replace Linux Mint 12. I love how the GNOME Shell Magnifier is coming along, but at the present time it does not pan as smoothly as I am used to, which makes it slightly more difficult to read and to navigate my system. The same can be said for panning using Compiz's eZoom plugin on a fresh install of Ubuntu--it does not pan so smoothly either. Well...I learned through experience that I could change the value for Compiz's Mouse position polling plugin to smoothen things out. (Just for the record, the GNOME Shell Magnifier pans much more smoothly by default as compared to Compiz's default settings under Unity.) Anyway, I learned that if I decrease the Mouse Poll Interval from 40 to 1 panning was very smooth...well...just beautiful to me. So today, rather than bother the list by asking where I could find the settings files for the Zoom feature, I figured I'd do some exploration. I ran the basic command: locate magnifier and this file stood out to me: /usr/share/gnome-shell/js/ui/magnifier.js I am not a professional programmer, but I figured I'd take a look at this file. I fired up nano (after making a backup of the file to my /home directory) and began reading. I found the following line under the first set of functions at the top of the file (section comment below): // Keep enums in sync with GSettings schemas [...] const MOUSE_POLL_FREQUENCY = 50; So I contemplated whether I should change this value from 50 to 1. I gave in and did it! I made the changes from within Unity2D, so I logged out and then logged into GNOME Shell. I crossed my fingers and then hit CTRL+ALT+M, the keyboard shortcut I set to activate the magnifier...and...VOILA! Super smooth panning! This made me love GNOME Shell even more than I already do! My questions as concerning this thread, though, is this: How likely is it that decreasing this value from 50 to 1 will cause possible instabilities? Is it set to 50 for any given reason (I am sure there has to be a reason)? I ask this because it is the same way with Compiz, but it seems (in either case) that the lower the Poll Interval (Compiz) or Poll Frequency (GNOME shell Magnifier) the more smoothly panning is in fullscreen magnification mode. In any case, I just wanted to put this on the list to get some input. As I mentioned earlier, I am definitely not a professional programmer. I took classes in C++, Visual Basic, and Python throughout the years, but I the class content was quite basic. thanks for any input regarding this subject. I'm really looking forward to GNOME 3.4! Take care. ___ gnome-accessibility-list mailing list gnome-accessibility-l...@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list -- The Open Learning Centre is rebranding, find out about our new name and look at http://libertus.co.uk -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: HUD in 12.04?
On 26/01/12 09:11, Robert cole wrote: Hello, Alan. I actually did install the Guest Additions through VirtualBox itself. yeah, don't do that :) sudo apt-get install virtualbox--ose-guest-x11 in the guest. I also installed Ubuntu into the Virtual machine using the blindness profile using Orca. I am probably going to get the daily live CD tomorrow and start from scratch. I do not know if there have been any changes regarding magnification in Unity3D, but I can still use eZoom on my host system for magnification if it is not available in the guest. I am testing some cool stuff with a fork of eZoom which does text cursor tracking, it works when I have two monitors, but breaks when I turn off the external monitor, which is a pain because I want to do a screencast of it, but it only works when my desktop is too big to screencast. Should be some updates on this soon. Alan. -- The Open Learning Centre is rebranding, find out about our new name and look at http://libertus.co.uk -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: HUD in 12.04?
On 24/01/12 20:48, Dave Hunt wrote: After reading this post, I have no idea what the HUD will look like or how an eyes-free user will use it. Cheers, Dave Hunt http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/939 within seconds of it being announced I had spoken to one of the lead developers about it, in fact here is an edited (as in removed other lines and this went across two IRC channels) transcript 14:08 gord https://plus.google.com/112811220238447511854/posts/XWYJQhYATdG *cough* http://www.markshuttleworth.com/ *cough* 14:09 gord such a bad *cough* today - http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/372385/ubuntu-rips-up-drop-down-menus *splutter* 14:09 * AlanBell prepares to slap gord if it doesn't work with orca 14:09 AlanBell but it does look pretty 14:10 gord i may have completely forgotten about orca ;) i'll make sure its fixed and talk to the qa guys about integrating orca into the tests 14:10 * AlanBell gets out a haddock and slaps gord round the face with it 14:11 AlanBell it looks like a great idea gord, I can see this being quite popular 14:12 davmor2 AlanBell, gord: I can see people who hate unity crying into hankies now, me on the other hand I think it's cool :) 14:16 AlanBell gord: so when is it landing in precise? 14:16 gord AlanBell, next unity release is next week, so if everything goes well, then 16:43 * AlanBell tries HUD with Orca 16:47 AlanBell hmm, can't see any of unity with orca right now :( 16:51 AlanBell gord: ok, I restarted and orca reads unity now 16:52 AlanBell I get HUD frame and it can read the content of the field you type in 16:52 AlanBell gord: but it does not read the items in the list below the field you can navigate to and flat review mode doesn't work there either 16:54 gord AlanBell, yeah I need to do some work there and in possibly related news I spoke to some of the QA people doing automated testing of Unity2d today and explained how to set up a dummy speech dispatcher module that outputs text to a file instead of making sounds so they can do automated testing of the output of what Orca would say. They can test the accessibility strings on individual widgets already, but I want them to do testing of the final output so that they can see when orca is producing a jumble of words when navigating about the desktop. Alan. -- The Open Learning Centre is rebranding, find out about our new name and look at http://libertus.co.uk -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: HUD in 12.04?
On 24/01/12 22:30, Dave Hunt wrote: Do we have it right, in concept? I hope it's usable with Orca by Beta time! -Dave yeah, I think it will be fine by release (not sure about the first betas) it just needs to have an accessible string on the list of suggestions it gives (which would be the same as the visual text, but with HTML markup removed. For example if you type new in the HUD with thunderbird focussed it might show options below the field for: File *New* Message File *New* Address book contact File Send *Now* so it is bolding the word it thinks you typed, putting them in the order of what you most probably meant first, and is doing a bit of fuzzy matching to pick up Now being a possible typo for New. Right now these can get keyboard focus by going down from the edit field, but they don't say anything. Alan. -- The Open Learning Centre is rebranding, find out about our new name and look at http://libertus.co.uk -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Mumble Servers?
On 22/12/11 16:08, Dave Hunt wrote: I think a team meeting on the server is a good idea. Let's come back to this in the new year. yup, certainly will. have a good holiday season all Alan. -- The Open Learning Centre is rebranding, find out about our new name and look at http://libertus.co.uk -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: alt+shift+up in ubuntu 3d?
On 13/12/11 00:04, Dave Hunt wrote: Hi, I am using Unity-3d on an Asus netbook. The system is updated with the packages in the Extra A11y package. When using 'alt+shift+up', to move up a column in a table on a web page, the focus seems to get moved to someplace not visible to Orca. Nothing will speak until I hit 'esc' or 'enter', at which time, I am switched to the application next in the 'alt+tab' stack. In my case, this is a terminal window. I looked on every page of the 'shortcuts' tab in Keyboard part of the gnome control center, and do not see this bound. What is this key combination supposed to do in Unity-3d, that might conflict with Orca's web page table navigation commands? Maybe this is just some odd interaction of Orca and Unity-3d? Thanks, Dave Hi Dave, Yes, this does appear to be a compiz keybinding. It kind of zooms out all of the windows to a grid display, it seems to be similar to super+w (on further investigation it does all windows on one workspace, super+w does it across all workspaces). They are keyboard navigable and as a sighted user if I look really carefully I can just about make out which one has focus for the windows which were not maximised, for the maximised windows there is no indication of focus at all. In the compizconfig-settings-manager (ccsm) in the scale plugin on the bindings tab (and sadly I think ccsm is a bit broken for navigation) there is the key binding shift+alt+up for window picker. Alan. -- The Open Learning Centre is rebranding, find out about our new name and look at http://libertus.co.uk -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Accessibility of installer in 11.10
On 27/11/11 11:15, E.J. Zufelt wrote: Good morning, I was reading http://www.jonobacon.org/2011/11/24/ubuntu-12-04-accessibility-plans/ and am curious if it is possible to install Ubuntu 11.10 using speech synthesis, with any degree of ease / reliability? If not, is an actual usable / accessible installer for the blind part of the plan for 12.04? yes, it is possible. Put the live CD in, and press ctrl+s when you hear the drums, that will start Orca, and focus will be on the orca window, alt+tab to switch to the installer window and from there you can run a live session or go through the install. It is a bit clunky in places and we plan for it to be better in 12.04 Alan. -- The Open Learning Centre is rebranding, find out about our new name and look at http://libertus.co.uk -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Persona writing sprint this weekend 12th and 13th November
On 10/11/11 15:11, Hugh Sasse wrote: OK, added a couple of things. I don't have a CCTV magnifier at home, and I don't use a web cam, so maybe someone can add something about: Can present day CCTVs input to computers pretty much as standard? Can you use Web cams (maybe with photography macro adaptors) as CCTV magnifiers? With Image Magick, etc that might be a good use case for Simon. what is the CCTV for? Is this a security camera of some kind? OK, so it's a good enough model of visual impairment, until we need something better. That's a sensible engineering decision. I was concerned that the experience of RP will be quite different from Macula Degeneration etc. it probably would be, but I am guessing the options we can provide on the computer for assistance are pretty much the same, magnification, speech or audio cues and tweaks to colours and contrasts. I would like to raise the flag for a deafblind persona, though. In the UK, for example, there are about 24,000 deafblind people, but they so often seem to be batted like tennis balls between the organizations of/for [dD]eaf people and those of/for blind people, but the solutions offered usually rely on having the other sense intact. There are widely varying stats for the USA http://www.aadb.org/FAQ/faq_DeafBlindness.html#count Thank you, Hugh totally agree, but I am not sure what we can do from an Ubuntu desktop perspective, to use a computer a deafblind person will require a braille output device (which is supported, but I don't have the hardware or skill to use it). In theory it would be the same as the blindness profile, but using braille rather than speech dispatcher. It would be massively hard to use the desktop that way, but probably not technically impossible. I am not sure there is much we can do to optimise the desktop for that persona which would be in any way different to the blindness profile. -- The Open Learning Centre is rebranding, find out about our new name and look at http://libertus.co.uk -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Persona writing sprint this weekend 12th and 13th November
On 10/11/11 11:04, Hugh Sasse wrote: Thank you (all) for the work on this. I've not been very active at all on this, but would like to contribute. I've forgotten what I need to do to get (re-)started on the Pad system. It might be useful to have a link or two about that. basically go to the pad page in a graphical browser and start typing anywhere you want. Will there be more than one VI persona? Our needs are different, and conflict! There have been times when I've needed lots of light, and times when I have been photophobic, just as an example. :-) in the plan we are separating blind from VI, but I am hoping we can get all the VI needs boiled down into one persona (given we already have Faisal who is colourblind). RP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retinitis_pigmentosa is a good choice as it is progressive, which means we can get various levels of VI in the one persona. We could do loads of persona documents and cover *everything* but I think it is a better choice to cover the needs of the Ubuntu target audience in a minimal set that the non-a11y specialist contributers to Ubuntu can understand. So the personas should represent all the Ubuntu users, but the target audience of our persona project is all developers and contributors, not just those working on stuff like zoom and screen readers. RP is an interesting choice because it does occur with deafness in Usher Syndrome. I have things I'd like to see mentioned, but I don't want to write them up if they would misrepresent the needs of someone with RP. For example: NS-WYSIWYG - Non-Strict WYSIWYG -- We Know the paper will be white but the screen white is *not* WYSIWYG because paper does not glow, reading a printed page is not like staring into a light bulb: allow me to reverse the colours or choose something else. I never did convince Star Office devs of this. A Magnifier that works by warping the screen, so none of it is hidden. The non-magnified parts are compressed, so you can still see where you are relatively. Maybe the GPU and display drivers could be made to do this? And I'd like to be able to change the mouse to screen sized crosshairs like on the old Tektronix terminals, so you cannot lose the pointer. That's all I can think of at the moment. Well, that's 3 impossible things before US breakfast time. Hugh On Wed, 9 Nov 2011, Alan Bell wrote: Hi all, one of the actions from UDS was to crack on and get more of the persona documents out, these help us to communicate the need for accessibility considerations to be included in the design process. We have already published Faisal (fine motor control, pain and color blindness) http://ubuntuaccessibility.wordpress.com/2011/01/27/meet-faisal/ and Daniela (fully blind) http://ubuntuaccessibility.wordpress.com/2011/04/06/meet-daniela/ and we have outline plans for Simon (partially sighted), John (deaf) and Henrietta (cognitive and memory issues) I would like to propose we work together on the remaining personas we want to cover, starting with Simon as the next one to publish. Simon is visually impaired, but not completely blind, so will use a large monitor with screen magnifiers and high contrast settings rather than full time screen reader use. His vision might be getting worse over time, so he might be learning to use Orca, and might like some more audio cues from the desktop. We are using the following page to collaboratively draft the text http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/simon and will be chatting in the #ubuntu-accessibility IRC channel. The personas are written to a rough framework of topics which match the personas used internally at Canonical by the design team, so we want to fit in with that, but present some more interesting design challenges. It would be great to get as many people involved as possible in the drafting and editing process, particularly those with knowledge of visual impairments. The personas should be accurate and informative, and at least as important, they should be interesting and nice people. I am not setting any particular time for working on this, but I imagine there will be people online and active throughout the day for Europe and USA Alan. -- The Open Learning Centre is rebranding, find out about our new name and look at http://libertus.co.uk -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility -- The Open Learning Centre is rebranding, find out about our new name and look at http://libertus.co.uk -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Persona writing sprint this weekend 12th and 13th November
Hi all, one of the actions from UDS was to crack on and get more of the persona documents out, these help us to communicate the need for accessibility considerations to be included in the design process. We have already published Faisal (fine motor control, pain and color blindness) http://ubuntuaccessibility.wordpress.com/2011/01/27/meet-faisal/ and Daniela (fully blind) http://ubuntuaccessibility.wordpress.com/2011/04/06/meet-daniela/ and we have outline plans for Simon (partially sighted), John (deaf) and Henrietta (cognitive and memory issues) I would like to propose we work together on the remaining personas we want to cover, starting with Simon as the next one to publish. Simon is visually impaired, but not completely blind, so will use a large monitor with screen magnifiers and high contrast settings rather than full time screen reader use. His vision might be getting worse over time, so he might be learning to use Orca, and might like some more audio cues from the desktop. We are using the following page to collaboratively draft the text http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/simon and will be chatting in the #ubuntu-accessibility IRC channel. The personas are written to a rough framework of topics which match the personas used internally at Canonical by the design team, so we want to fit in with that, but present some more interesting design challenges. It would be great to get as many people involved as possible in the drafting and editing process, particularly those with knowledge of visual impairments. The personas should be accurate and informative, and at least as important, they should be interesting and nice people. I am not setting any particular time for working on this, but I imagine there will be people online and active throughout the day for Europe and USA Alan. -- The Open Learning Centre is rebranding, find out about our new name and look at http://libertus.co.uk -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: What happened with Ubiquity installer accessibility and localization?
Hi Attila, the variable names on widgets is bug 781385 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/781385 which is infuriating because it was done deliberately to abuse the a11y features for automated testing - fine in itself, I think it is great that a11y interfaces are also used for testing, but not at the expense of breaking their intended purpose. I am going to try and get this un-broken. the problem with localization is Bug #851698 https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-orca/+bug/851698 would be great if someone could confirm that Alan. -- The Open Learning Centre is rebranding, find out about our new name and look at http://libertus.co.uk -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
OggCamp this weekend
Hi all, this weekend in the UK we are running a largeish unconference called Oggcamp, jointly hosted by the Ubuntu UK Podcast and the Linux Outlaws podcast. There will be at least one talk on Accessibility which is great. I have been round the venue and whilst it is a historic building it has good lifts and ramps internally and externally. All the rooms we are using are wheelchair accessible and there will be amplified audio in all the rooms. More details at http://oggcamp.org/ Alan. -- The Open Learning Centre is rebranding, find out about our new name and look at http://libertus.co.uk -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Build a speech generating device
On 30/07/11 15:39, Frederik Elwert wrote: I also just found a blog article that describes how to set up OpenMary as a speechdispatcher module.[2] That would probably allow to integrate dasher with OpenMary easily. I wrote that article, give me a shout or find me in #ubuntu-accessibility on freenode if you want any help setting it up. Alan. -- The Open Learning Centre is rebranding, find out about our new name and look at http://libertus.co.uk -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Meeting Time Suggestion
good for me too. Alan. On 20/06/11 03:53, Cheri Francis wrote: This date/time would work for me. -Cheri Francis On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 3:24 PM, Paul Huntpaul-le...@virginmedia.com wrote: -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: [Lubuntu-desktop] Creating An Accessibility Specification for Lubuntu 11.10
On 30/05/11 22:27, Charlie Kravetz wrote: Well, I can not speak for all other distributions (variants), but Xubuntu will not be adding much. A user is welcome to add orca if they want to. We do have Onboard Keyboard, but I am still fighting to get the menu entry added, since Ubuntu removes it from the debian version. my understanding is that we are going to stop removing the icon because it looks spectacularly daft in Unity where we offer other on screen keyboards available to download but hide the installed one from the user. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Creating An Accessibility Specification for Lubuntu 11.10
On 29/05/11 09:02, Jonathan Marsden wrote: On 05/27/2011 09:26 AM, Pia wrote: ..., but in open source, if you have a very small group represented, you have to get your hands dirty first in order to sufficiently understand the situation well enough to come up with good system specifications and a reasonable roadmap in a reasonable time frame. So, what we were doing in discussing details and wanting to actually test a few things was just that and what you originally were complaining about. Assessing the situation would allow us to know what we can take from Ubuntu's road map and what has to be adjusted. How about sharing Ubuntu's current official accessibility roadmap with the Lubuntu developers, as a start? I note that https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Links does not seem to me to include a pointer to it, at least not by any name recognizably similar to Ubuntu Accessibility Roadmap, which seems an unfortunate omission. not a roadmap as such, but I have started drafting a document on the Ubuntu infrastructure for accessibility http://pad.ubuntu.com/AccessibilityInfrastructure This will get transferred to the wiki at some point when it is nearly complete and the most glaring errors have been fixed. I don't know much about Lubuntu, only that it is based on something called LXDE as a window manager and is targeted at really old computers. Looking at lubuntu.net it seems to be based on GTK, so I imagine just installing gnome-orca will pull in speech dispatcher at-spi2 and espeak, install onboard and you have an on-screen keyboard too. Does it use ubiquity for the installer? Alan -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Creating An Accessibility Specification for Lubuntu 11.10
On Fri, 27 May 2011, Jonathan Marsden wrote: Pia (and accessibility team), On 05/26/2011 03:22 PM, Pia wrote: What John is asking for seems so obvious to us who are disabled that I forget normal people don't get it. I really hope the Ubuntu Accessibility team is not composed entirely of folks who are disabled -- some more or less normal people may well have an interest in accessibility issues, too. Is dividing human beings into us and normal people really a helpful and appropriate mindset for an accessibility team? All concerned might benefit more from working together, than from creating artificial and unhelpful divisions between people. It is made up of people, all of whom are normal, some of whom have a specific impairment. People are motivated to work on accessibility topics for a variety of reasons. snip Jonathan [ Throwaway aside of the day: why does a team labeled accessibility choose to use a closed (i.e. inaccessible) mailing list? On the surface, that appears paradoxical. Any chance you could at least make the ubuntu-accessibility mailing list archives more readily accessible (public) to the rest of us, so we can learn from reading them? Ideally, please make your list as open as this one (lubuntu-desktop) is. ] the archives are open as far as I can see https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-accessibility/ I can't find lubuntu-desktop on lists.ubuntu.com, where is that as I am missing some context. Alan. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Fwd: [Lubuntu-desktop] Fwd: Which talk engine etc?
I would suggest testing it against the personas we have designed. Does it work for Daniela, could Faisal use it etc? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Personas Can you install it with the monitor turned off? Can you start an on screen keyboard without a keyboard plugged in? Alan. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Accessibility of Ubuntu 11.04
On 25/05/11 16:29, bernhard.stadelmayer wrote: Hi all, As you probably know, Ubuntu 11.04 has been released with a new Desktop called Unity. I tested the major versions of Ubuntu if they are working probably on my system and what features are supported by Orca. But now, I'm not sure if there's something like Orca in this new Desktop. Could someone tell me if there's a Screenreader in Unity? If so, are there also translations of the user interface in other languages like German? Thanks for your help, Bernhard by default if you install Ubuntu with the screen reader profile it will take you to the classic gnome interface, not the new Unity layout. Orca is present in both and there are translations of the desktop into German, however I wouldn't be surprised if some of the bits Orca reads are not translated. Some bits of Unity don't work well with Orca yet. Alan. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: 11.04 - Unity keyboard/mouse shortcuts - Ask Ubuntu - Stack Exchange
On 04/04/11 22:19, Luca Ferretti wrote: This triggers in me the following question: why was it documented on unofficial resource (and closed source platform)? Why was it not on hosted on wiki.ubuntu.com? And, more, why was that page linked in beta announce? PS I'm not against askbuntu, I'm for ubuntu community resources I thought I had answered that one already http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2011/04/01/%23ubuntu-website.html It will go on the wiki now that the list has been stabilized. Alan. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: embedded text to speech converter
On 02/04/11 08:07, Bhavani Shankar R wrote: Hello list, I am working for a company called mindtree and developing assistive technology for cerebral palsy affected people as a part of my job with the company[1]. I am presently developing a low cost product with the team members on porting tts software on a tablet which runs ubuntu. So I needed to know that is there any TTS software which runs on ubuntu on a embedded platform preferably based on QT Waiting for your comments and responses, Thanks in advance, [1] http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/companies/article1487056.ece -- Bhavani Shankar Ubuntu Developer | www.ubuntu.com http://www.ubuntu.com/ https://launchpad.net/~bhavi https://launchpad.net/%7Ebhavi Hi Bhavani, the speech dispatcher framework is used to give a consistent API to several text to speech engines, from a command line you can run $ spd-say hello world and it should speak that using the espeak engine which is included by default. This is a bit of a mechanical voice but it does not use a lot of resources. There are better quality voices around, openMary is one of the best I have found. That one lacks a speech dispatcher plugin at the moment though. Alan. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Fwd: Re: Integrating new console colors in D-I (was Re: Call for testing: Aubergine-love for Server folks!)
I have not tested this yet, but it sounds like good news for the a11y perspective and those who struggled with the colours on the aubergine accessible installer Alan. Original Message Subject: Re: Integrating new console colors in D-I (was Re: Call for testing: Aubergine-love for Server folks!) Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2011 15:10:48 -0500 From: Dustin Kirkland kirkl...@canonical.com To: ubuntu-de...@lists.ubuntu.com CC: Colin Watson cjwat...@ubuntu.com On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 10:21 AM, Colin Watsoncjwat...@ubuntu.com wrote: It would have to go on the kernel command line, not in the CD preseed file. The latter is read too late for this. It would probably be better to add new values for the existing FRONTEND_BACKGROUND environment variable (which can also go on the kernel command line) rather than inventing a new preseeded template which would basically just be a synonym for it. Great idea, Colin. I have this now working, with an upload of cdebconf-0.154ubuntu2 to Natty archive. This will not make Beta1, but should absolutely land in Beta2, and will need release-team approval. Note that it will also require a re-spin of debian-installer. I'm tracking this in Bug #730672. There's a debdiff for cdebconf there. As of that upload, any user of the text installer will be able to optionally specify a FRONTEND_BACKGROUND value on the kernel command line. The cdebconf-newt-udeb package provides the following: * dark -- high contrast, accessibility theme * original -- the traditional, legacy newt theme * ubuntu -- the aubergine theme (basically, s/blue/magenta/g) These are installed to: * /etc/newt/palette.dark * /etc/newt/palette.original * /etc/newt/palette.ubuntu By default, there is a symlink installed by cdebconf-newt-udeb in the ISO filesystem: * /etc/newt/palette - /etc/newt/palette.ubuntu At debian-installer/cdebconf initialization of the newt frontend, if a kernel parameter FRONTEND_BACKGROUND=whatever is found, then the symlink at /etc/newt/palette is broken and replaced with a symlink to /etc/newt/palette.whatever. In this way, any derivative of Ubuntu can ship their own palette in a udeb that's included in their ISO build, install that palette at /etc/newt/palette.kubuntu, for example, and append FRONTEND_BACKGROUND=kubuntu to the kernel parameters. If you (or your Ubuntu derivative) just want the legacy behavior, then don't bother shipping your own palette, but simply append FRONTEND_BACKGROUND=original to the kernel parameters. I hope this helps with your calls for reconfigurability! I've enjoyed working with everyone on this ;-) Cheers, -- :-Dustin Dustin Kirkland Ubuntu Server, Core Developer Canonical, LTD -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-de...@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
[ANNOUNCE] Ubuntu For All
Hi all, The Ubuntu For All project is an idea that has been bouncing about for a while and the time has come to bring it to life. The project has a small description at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuForAll in short, it will ensure that all the Ubuntu teams working on subjects relating to inclusiveness and outreach are working well and have the support and resources they need. We are calling a meeting to define the scope and activties of the group on 25th Febuary at 19:00 UTC in the #ubuntu-meeting channel on Freenode IRC (reply off-list if you need any assistance getting set up to use that) The agenda for the meeting is here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuForAll/Meeting The only thing that is pre-decided is that Ubuntu For All isn't going to be a council or governing entity or in any way 'above' the teams it supports. I have set up the #ubuntu-for-all IRC channel so please feel free to pop in there any time, the kick off meeting will be in the #ubuntu-meeting channel. Alan Bell -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: deletion of attachments
Hi Phill, In Firefox or Chromium you can hold ctrl and use the mousewheel to alter the font size and scale images proportionately, however it that brings the width of the page wider than your physical screen you will be horizontally scrolling to read it. The font size on the wiki and various other Ubuntu web properties is known to be excessively small and to add to the problem it tends to be dark grey on light grey, reducing contrast from a plain black on white. The problem is that the font sizes are specified in the web design guidelines as a particular number of pixels and the foreground and background colours are specified the same place and there is a fixed width for the content so it won't reflow the text. There has been talk of installing a specific theme for accessibility, or turning on a feature to allow users to select in their preferences an additional stylesheet in addition to the current theme. The various bugs are filed in the ubuntu-website project and tagged a11y and light-wiki https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+bugs?field.tag=light-wiki and if there is anything that bothers you and isn't in the current bug list then please file a new one here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+filebug Alan. On 19/12/10 02:42, Phill Whiteside wrote: Hiyas, oh, you will be so sorry for saying that. As a part of the Accessibility project, I cannot select nor alter the font size on the wiki pages. A case in hand is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SpeechControl, whilst I would seek a long term goal of putting on the control flags as per http://forum.phillw.net/index.php whereby the 'A' has an up and down arrow to increase / decrease font size, it is only a case of copying over the CSS file and altering the font size. (I know, I was asked to make my large font LARGE). Whilst they are thinking of that could you ask if we could have a define of font / font size? Thanks, Phill. P.S. May I also wish you a and your family a Very Merry Christmas, and a Great 2011. On 18 December 2010 14:02, Phil Bull philb...@gmail.com mailto:philb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Phill, On Wed, 2010-12-15 at 02:58 +, Phill Whiteside wrote: well as it happened can you raise a bug report? They are much more likely to listen to you than a mere mortal like myself. :D Oh, and I have another potential kidnap victim for wiki - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JaredNorris He got his UBT membership earlier. As his comment was http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/tvapf7K4 and he has already passed the demanding task of cproffit accepting his formating, I think he is one to keep an eye on as we transfer the Lubutu support pages over and re-format them. I raised a bug report here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+bug/691900 Great news that Jared is helping out! As usual, let me know if you guys need a hand with anything. Thanks, Phil -- Phil Bull https://launchpad.net/~philbull https://launchpad.net/%7Ephilbull Book - http://nostarch.com/ubuntu4.htm -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
UDS Friday
Hi all, last day of UDS today sessions that seem interesting to me are: revamp ubuntu.com/community in Bonaire7 at 10:00 Desktop applications selection in Antigua1 at 10:00 Diversity in our community at Antigua 2 at 11:00 Usability results for unity at 11:00 in Curacao 3+4 at 11:00 Unity usability finding in Curacao1+2 at 15:00 -- Alan Bell The Open Learning Centre Web: http://www.theopenlearningcentre.com Mob: +44 (0)7738 789190 Tel: +44 (0)844 3576000 The Open Learning Centre is a trading name of Bell Lord Ltd, a company registered in England and Wales #05868943. VAT Registration #GB 901 4715 55 -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Unity and accessibility
As Luke is rather busy, I can answer a few of these points to save time. On 28/10/10 21:44, Anthony Sales wrote: Hi Luke, Could you clarify the plans have for Ubuntu in regard to Unity, Accessibility, Gnome and the alleged licensing of Unity? And what are you thoughts initially - do you think it is possible to make Unity accessible there have been lots and lots of discussions about this at UDS, accessibility is absolutely a priority for Unity and we intend to have accessibility testing as part of the iso testing release process. or will we/you have to default to Gnome for the 'blind profile'. it will certainly be possible to opt out of Unity and use the traditional Gnome desktop or indeed Gnome Shell (all three are Gnome) Is it true that Canonical want to copyright Unity? All code is copyrighted by the author as soon as it is written, unless some agreement changes that. Canonical do hold the copyright for Unity code and they also want contributions from third parties to sign a copyright transfer agreement handing Canonical the copyright to contributions. This means that Canonical will be the sole copyright holder for the entire unity codebase. This in turn means they can change the license (maybe one day to GPL v4 for example) without hunting about for permission from every single contributor (lets say they want to do this in 20 years time and some of the contributors and copyright holders are uncontactable or even dead) they can also license it in a non-free way to other companies if they want to. If you can figure out who might want it that way and why, do let me know. And if so do you know what there thinking is behind this - is it merely a formality - or does Canonical have more commercial plans for Ubuntu. absolutely they have commercial plans. They don't appear to have freedom hating proprietary plans though. http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/our-philosophy I personally wouldn't object to a commercialisation of ubuntu - as this seems the next logical step in making Ubuntu a popular desktop - but if this constraints development in other projects, then maybe it might have a negative effect on open-source accessibility etc. Anyway, I just wondered if you could clarify things because at the moment there seems to be a little confusion and panic about this issue, DON'T PANIC - big friendly letters which of course may turn out to be a red herring. do Narwhals eat herring? Tony Sales. From: ubuntu-accessibility-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com [ubuntu-accessibility-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com] On Behalf Of Luke Yelavich [them...@ubuntu.com] Sent: 26 October 2010 13:46 To: ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: Unity and accessibility On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 07:40:53AM EDT, E.J. Zufelt wrote: Good morning, I read a release this morning explaining that possibly as of 11.04 Ubuntu will ship with Unity, based on gnome, and not gnome, as the default window manager. I am wondering what accessibility features exist in Unity and how well it supports gnome based assistive technology applications like Orca? Unity in its current form does not have much in the way of accessibility. It doesn't even have keyboard navigation to move around the environment, let alone assistive technology support. For the 11.04 release, I will be working very closely with the unity developers to implement accessibility and keyboard navigation support, so much so, that it will be my primary focus for this cycle. I will also attempt to address any other accessibility issues we need to fix, like the installer, if I get the time. Luke -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility -- Alan Bell The Open Learning Centre Web: http://www.theopenlearningcentre.com Mob: +44 (0)7738 789190 Tel: +44 (0)844 3576000 The Open Learning Centre is a trading name of Bell Lord Ltd, a company registered in England and Wales #05868943. VAT Registration #GB 901 4715 55 -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Unity and accessibility
they do! Narwhals feed on crab, salmon, herring, capelin, cod, mollusks, flounder, shrimp and other small sea creatures http://www.arcticworld.net/ -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: error in Ubantu
On 29/10/10 14:41, Ramchandra Patil wrote: dear Team i Am facing following error * E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. E: _cache-open() failed, please report* please give solution -- Thanks Regards, *Ramchandra M. Patil.* *9594441825* **first I would suggest running sudo dpkg --configure -a as it asks and see if that fixes it or provides more information. Can you tell us more about what you were trying to do at the time when this error occurred? This might not be the best list on which to ask that question. If you can get on IRC and ask on the #ubuntu-accessibility channel then we can guide you to someone who has expertise with solving issues with the packaging system. Alan. -- Alan Bell The Open Learning Centre Web: http://www.theopenlearningcentre.com Mob: +44 (0)7738 789190 Tel: +44 (0)844 3576000 The Open Learning Centre is a trading name of Bell Lord Ltd, a company registered in England and Wales #05868943. VAT Registration #GB 901 4715 55 -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Summit Thursday
Hi all, todays UDS schedule is at http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-n/2010-10-28/ and audio streams for the rooms are at http://icecast.ubuntu.com:8000/status.xsl Sessions that stand out today for me from an Accessibility point of view are: Solving the virtual keyboard problem at 10:00 in Antigua 3 The Ubuntu Way (although I have no idea what it is about) at 10:00 in Curacao 1+2 Discussion of topics related to Canonical wide QA at 11:00 in Antigua 1 Indicator framework changes for N at 11:00 in Bonaire 2 Improving the sponsorship process (I think that is about tweaking the UDS sponsorship process to have more diversity in the attendance) at 11:00 in Bonaire 8 Resizing windows at 11:00 in Curacao 1+2 Indicator messages for N cycle at 15:00 in Curacao 1+2 Improving Accessibility Development and Information at 16:15 in Antigua 4 -- Alan Bell The Open Learning Centre Web: http://www.theopenlearningcentre.com Mob: +44 (0)7738 789190 Tel: +44 (0)844 3576000 The Open Learning Centre is a trading name of Bell Lord Ltd, a company registered in England and Wales #05868943. VAT Registration #GB 901 4715 55 -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: How to install Maverick with orca?
On 16/10/10 13:32, Luis antónio Marques Caetano wrote: Hi all, Is there any kind of tutorial about how to install Maverick with the help of orca? I searched but found nothing, so I'm asking here. I tried the old trick but didn't work. Thanks for any eventual answer! Hi Luis, unfortunately the installer is now based on webkit and is almost entirely silent, it is basically invisible to orca. The best option for now is to find a sighted friend and talk them through the process, or install Lucid (bad as that installer was) and then upgrade to Maverick. I wish there was better news for you. Alan. -- Alan Bell The Open Learning Centre Web: http://www.theopenlearningcentre.com Mob: +44 (0)7738 789190 Tel: +44 (0)844 3576000 The Open Learning Centre is a trading name of Bell Lord Ltd, a company registered in England and Wales #05868943. VAT Registration #GB 901 4715 55 -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Fwd: [ubuntu-web] Updated guidelines for community sites
just for context for my next mail . . . Original Message Subject:[ubuntu-web] Updated guidelines for community sites Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 16:58:43 -0500 From: Matthew Nuzum matthew.nu...@canonical.com Reply-To: Ubuntu Web Presence Team ubuntu-webs...@lists.canonical.com To: Ubuntu Web Presence Team ubuntu-webs...@lists.canonical.com Hello, you've been waiting for this for far too long, I hope it has been worth it (I think it has but read on and judge for yourself). Alejandra, who many of you have interacted with, and her new cohort Inayaili De Leon have provided us with updated brand guidelines/models specifically for sites that are part of the official network of Ubuntu sites but that should not feel like part of the typical ubuntu.com http://ubuntu.com flow. For example, if you visit http://webapps.ubuntu.com/marketplace/ you should feel like you're in the ubuntu.com http://ubuntu.com website because it is part of the normal flow of navigation. However, if you visit wiki.ubuntu.com http://wiki.ubuntu.com or the fridge you should not feel like you're at www.ubuntu.com http://www.ubuntu.com. The navigational needs are completely different. You should feel like you're connected to ubuntu.com http://ubuntu.com but not part of it. The problems we faced when trying to use the old guidelines for these community sites is that we didn't know how to deal with navigation. We didn't know how to indicate which site users were on and we were worried about confusing users with navigation that looked the same but mysteriously changed behavior depending on what site they were on. Here's an image of the new model: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website/WebThemes?action=AttachFiledo=viewtarget=wiki_global_header_and_footer.png https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website/WebThemes?action=AttachFiledo=viewtarget=wiki_global_header_and_footer.png Let me explain some of the features here. First, the Ubuntu logo area is clearly indicating the site you're on. Clicking this should take you to the current site's homepage (not to www.ubuntu.com http://www.ubuntu.com). The orange area does not include primary navigation, instead all of the site navigation is in the gray area. (see below for question #1 about this). The search bar is visually distinct from that of ubuntu.com http://ubuntu.com and allows room for site speicific search features and instructions. Above the orange bar to the far right is something being called the Mother ship' navigation. It links back to key areas on Ubuntu.com. Down near the bottom of the page in the footer area wehave some new navigation elements: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website/WebThemes?action=AttachFiledo=viewtarget=global_fat_footer.png https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Website/WebThemes?action=AttachFiledo=viewtarget=global_fat_footer.png You'll see here that the fat footer or mini sitemap is reserved for the current site. Don't duplicate Ubuntu.com's footer. All of the elements in the lists should be relevant to the existing site. Below that is a 2nd footer with an Ubuntu logo and links to Contact us, Trademark and Legal information. This template is for Ubuntu community and Ubuntu related sites to use. I'll be implementing it for wiki.ubuntu.com http://wiki.ubuntu.com in the coming weeks (though the existing testing wiki update will go live before this is ready). I have a couple questions and I know you do too, here is a start: Maybe Alejandra can chime in with some thoughts, others please feel free to toss in your questions and ideas too. #1 Some sites may need to have additional navigation needs, what should they do? - Matt's suggestion: Maybe use the left side navigation from here as inspiration: http://www.canonical.com/enterprise-services/ubuntu-advantage/landscape (ubuntu colors of course) #2 What if a site has wide content, what should be done? - Matt's opinion: make it full width (no left/right padding) or make the theme fluid width or both (personally, I don't like sites with really wide content) #3 What sites should not use this theme? - Matt's opinion: Sites that are not part of the Ubuntu community and/or don't want to feel connected to the Ubuntu ecosystem. OK, there's a bunch of details, now share your thoughts and ideas and questions. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca http://identi.ca and twitter An investment in knowledge pays the best interest. -Benjamin Franklin -- Ubuntu-website mailing list ubuntu-webs...@lists.canonical.com https://lists.canonical.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-website -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Persona Survey results
The results of the survey are now in, we had a fantastic response and we have 26 really great detailed replies. The next step is to group these roughly by impairment then use the replies as an inspiration to write up descriptions of realistic but fictional characters that can be used by developers and user experience designers to ensure that Ubuntu is built for these characters. For a bit of background on design personas in general and how they are used here is a description of how IBM use them http://www-01.ibm.com/software/ucd/gallery/software.html Canonical have a set of personas already, one of them has a visual impairment, we want to build a small set of personas with a range of accessibility needs and write them up to the same standard of quality as the existing Canonical documents so they can be fed into the design team. If you would like to help in the process of getting from survey responses to personas then please email myself or Penelope Stowe and we will send you a copy of the spreadsheet with all the responses and just names and email addresses removed. We decided at the meeting last night that we would share the spreadsheet with anyone on the list who asks for it, but we won't publish it on the internet or post it to the list in it's raw form. Alan. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Persona Questionnaire
One of the projects kicked off by the accessibility team at the Ubuntu Developer Summit was to create a set of personas or fictional characters with accessibility needs. The design team have a set of personas already, each with different skills and life experiences and it is these people they think about when designing the user interface. One of their personas (Lola, a 29 year old PhD student living in Paris) is partially sighted and uses assistive technology. This is a great start, but we want to provide the design team and all those working on Ubuntu with some more detailed personas with an assortment of needs. The aim is to educate and motivate all those working on Ubuntu, accessibility isn't just a technical feature, it is about people and if some part of the system isn't available for everyone then it is broken. In order to write a series of fictional, but believable characters we have put together a survey asking people to tell us about themselves and the issues they find when interacting with computers. We collaborated on the questions that should be asked here http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/Access and now we have taken the results of that work and built an online form http://access.libertus.co.uk http://access.libertus.co.uk/ and an alternative text version https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Personas/Survey which can be emailed to ubuntu.accessibility.sur...@gmail.com Please take a few minutes to fill out the survey and pass it on to friends and relatives who may be able to provide interesting and useful answers. When the results are in (by August 8th or thereabouts) we will start the process of writing up the personas using the survey answers as inspiration.This will generate our realistic, but fictional, characters who will help make Ubuntu better for everyone. Thanks to all those who helped get the survey this far. Alan -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Persona Questionnaire
oops the link to the correct etherpad document is http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/OGCR7tZiNX Alan. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: Orca/linux accessibility teaching material
sounds like a good topic for a screencast http://screencasts.ubuntu.com I haven't done one of these myself, but it sounds like fun to do. Alan. On Thu, 2010-06-24 at 16:57 +0100, Eleanor Smyth wrote: Hello! Camara (www.camara.ie) refurbishes old computers, sends them out to Africa and sets up learning centres. At the moment we are trying to make our Linux computers more accesible for students that are living with disabilities. After much debate, we decided to stick with the accessibity features already on Linux. The computers, already in Africa have various versions of Ubuntu, this means that Ocra functions to various degrees in the schools. We discovered that the speech on older versions of ocra was very fast and difficult to understand So, we want to update ocra by sending out a C.D with the latest version of orca to the schools in Africa and update orca when refurbishing the computers going out. With that done, we need to train our teachers on how to update orca (for the computers already sent out) and write up a manual on how to use ocra within the classroom. This is where we'll have to call upon some help. Setting up the accessibity features is difficult for someone who has very basic computer skills. Are there any good tutorials (audio and visual) out there that we could use? Any additional info that we should be aware of? All comments/material will be much appreciated. Kind Regards, Eleanor -- Eleanor Smyth Disability Officer Camara E-mail: mainstream...@camara.ie Camara Education The Digital Hub, 10-13 Thomas Street, Dublin 8. T: 0861217893 www.camara.ie -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
