Re: [ubuntu-art] Quick question for the WIKI regarding the range of what constitutes a "theme"
>From: Salane Ashcraft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Honestly, there is one Canonical person who decides what goes in, and >that is Ken. Mark has the final say so. >As soon as I get more proposals, We will formulate a unified list, >create a mockup, and the themes will create the theme. > >There really will not be competing concepts.There are things we are >looking for, and things users want, so it is more effective if we work >towards one common theme using the guideline/discussion >mockup/discussion theme creation work flow. Sounds good. Will the Art Team community be privy to critiquing the final theme dev process, or will it be Canonical internal? One more question: is Intrepid going to integrate a "main panel" look instead of the now-traditional three menu system (application, places, and system)? If so, would ideas for its appearance and layout also be something up for Art Team design input? Just curious, Brian -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Quick question for the WIKI regarding the range of what constitutes a "theme"
From: Salane Ashcraft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 8:22 AM, Brian Fleeger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>shadowh511 >>>Brian, I think that your guidelines should be posted as an attachment to >>> the wiki page. >> Sure, but how do I do that? Do you mean like a sub-wiki page, or upload a >> PDF? >Perhaps as a wiki. That way its just right there. Ill suggest that to >everyone then- make your own pages for guidelines. This could get >lengthy. Okay, I will do it later tonight. Can I suggest you put forth a standard label or title format for Art Team guideline proposals. That way the guideline proposals will be clearly distinct from other incoming Intrepid art. Also, I think there should be a clear cut-off date for guideline proposals. After all, eventually the Canonical folks are going to have to either choose one set of guidelines or assimilate the features they like into one official set. That official guideline set will be the only way themers can really start creating competing concepts in time for the August cut-off deadline. Regards, Brian -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Quick question for the WIKI regarding the range of what constitutes a "theme"
>shadowh511 >Brian, I think that your guidelines should be posted as an attachment to the >wiki page. Sure, but how do I do that? Do you mean like a sub-wiki page, or upload a PDF? Thanks, Brian -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Quick question for the WIKI regarding the range of what constitutes a "theme"
From: Salane Ashcraft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Hi, >> >> So far, I have written up a very narrow, specific list of visual parameters >> for a theme of the type one would download from Gnome-Looks. However, I was >> really hoping this make-over thing would also include some UI changes as >> well. In my write-up to the Art Team wiki, should I leave out all my UI >> hopes and dreams? Barring the key-hole arrows I had mentioned earlier, as >> those are to be part of the nautilus window itself. >> >> Thanks, >> Brian Fleeger >Anything and everything is appreciated. It all depends on what the art >team decides on, and most importantly, what is possible theme wise. Okay -- I typed up my design design parameters (with a big chunk directly stolen from New Wave's guidelines) and posted them to the art team WIKI page. I did not include *all* my user interface suggestions, because I know for a fact that many of my ideas are not implementable in so short a time. Let me know if you want/need more concept art. Regards, Brian -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Quick question for the WIKI regarding the range of what constitutes a "theme"
Hi, So far, I have written up a very narrow, specific list of visual parameters for a theme of the type one would download from Gnome-Looks. However, I was really hoping this make-over thing would also include some UI changes as well. In my write-up to the Art Team wiki, should I leave out all my UI hopes and dreams? Barring the key-hole arrows I had mentioned earlier, as those are to be part of the nautilus window itself. Thanks, Brian Fleeger -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Is it possible to customize the backward/forward buttons in Murrine?
From: Salane Ashcraft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 1:04 AM, Brian Fleeger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>Brian- >>>This is the problem. Too much talk and not enough action. Actually, at >>>this point, all talk and next to no action. Would you please make a >>>list of things that yo think the new theme should be, and post them >>>under your own section in the art wiki under the official art team >>wiki page? This would be very helpful and will help direct us. >> Sure, but I thought I had been posting on the official wiki the whole time. >> Can you send me a link to the page where you want me to post and then I will >> get to it tomorrow. Right now I am exhausted though and have to get to bed. >I meant the coordinated, official art team wiki regarding a community >wide- created theme. >https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Ubuntu_8%2e10_Theme_-_Art_Team Oh, yeah, that page. Let me make up a draft and then I will then post it to the wiki ASAP. -Brian -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Is it possible to customize the backward/forward buttons in Murrine?
From: Salane Ashcraft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Brian- >This is the problem. Too much talk and not enough action. Actually, at >this point, all talk and next to no action. Would you please make a >list of things that yo think the new theme should be, and post them >under your own section in the art wiki under the official art team >wiki page? This would be very helpful and will help direct us. Sure, but I thought I had been posting on the official wiki the whole time. Can you send me a link to the page where you want me to post and then I will get to it tomorrow. Right now I am exhausted though and have to get to bed. Take care, Brian -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Is it possible to customize the backward/forward buttons in Murrine?
>On Wed, Jul 9, 2008 at 12:28 AM, Brian Fleeger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I want to submit another, more plausible theme proposal to the Intrepid > wiki, but I want to know if Murrine will allow for customizable > backwards/forwards buttons in nautilus (as well as system-wide). My idea is > basically based on the current Human theme, but just tweeks some details to > result in a whole new look. Everything in this "look" is already available, > except I want to include Alex Faaborg's Firefox3-style back/forward buttons > as a nuance to enhance nautilus. >>From: Salane Ashcraft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>That does look neat - and i have seen themes with customized buttons. >>Just ask around... That's great! I cannot do theme coding myself, but if it is possible then the Canonical people should be able to pull it off pretty easily. >>What is the theme you created on the wiki? I really need for people >>to discuss guidelines and start working on a unified theme, instead of >>their own themes. I have submitted two themes so far: Gimmie Human, and Long Term Vision (LTV). This will be my third. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Gimmie-Human https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Long_Term_Vision Both of the previous themes I submitted were VERY complex, and would be almost impossible to implement in any reasonable time-frame. I even started a launchpad site for Long Term Vision, but so far have not been able to motivate any themers to help. In any event, I am now inclined to think a radical/drastic visual overhaul is neither necessary nor desirable. The Human theme (minus its window borders) has always been my favorite. Even though I never cared for the window borders or max/min buttons, the mellowness of Human is just the least jarring out of anything I have ever seen on GNOME-Look (outside of the apple clones). I think the new theme should strive to be as inoffensive as possible to the greatest number of people, while still introducing reasonable UI improvements and subtle beauty. Regards, Brian -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] How to provide more alternate wallpapers without influencing CD size requirements
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Re: [ubuntu-art] How to provide more alternate wallpapers without influencing CD size requirements
- Original Message From: Cory K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >A add-om package in the repos is the way to go. Trick is, letting people >know about it. Doesn't the "add-on pack" route expect users to have a-priori knowledge of how to use Ubuntu and Linux in general? Further, add-on packs make it sound a little too close to "Ubuntu SP1." It also defeats the whole idea of user selected content (since it would be an all or nothing pack) -- and the user would not know what he/she is getting in advance, even if they did know to look for it. The interesting part of my idea is that it would really enhance the user experience to be able to browse and choose exactly what you want from a selection where EVERYTHING is guaranteed to look beautiful. It would be an opportunity to win user mindshare. Its just an idea though, and I don't take it personally if you like it or not -- just something for you to consider. If anyone does think it is worth passing along, please do so. Regards, Brian Fleeger -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] How to provide more alternate wallpapers without influencing CD size requirements
>- Original Message >From: Cory K. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: Discussion on Ubuntu artwork >Sent: Monday, July 7, 2008 11:27:43 PM >Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] How to provide more alternate wallpapers without >influencing CD size requirements >What everyone doesn't think about is that this is forking app X that you >want to put this feature in. Further adding to technical maintenance. >Best to change the wallpapers in the current package and/or provide >another add-on package that can be grabbed through the repos. >-Cory Actually, since it would be hosted by Canonical as opposed to Gnome, this would not be a fork. Gnome gets used by many distros, but only Canonical would want to control their unique user experience. Therefore it would only be appropriate for such a feature to be Ubuntu-specific, i.e. down-stream. -Brian -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] How to provide more alternate wallpapers without influencing CD size requirements
Hi all, This is an idea I had to provide users with more alternate wallpapers without influencing the install CD's footprint. If this is too off-topic for an art-team posting, please let me know and direct me to where this idea does belong. At least it is tangentially related to Ubuntu's art experience. In addition to providing a couple extra default alternate wallpapers, Canonical could host a special wallpaper repository the same way it does with synaptic and install/uninstall. Scenario: Grandma May is using her Ubuntu for the first time and wants to change the wallpaper. She right clicks the desktop, sees "change wallpaper," and clicks through. After seeing there are only 4 or 5 alternates (I am still optimistic), she notices the "Get More Ubuntu Wallpapers" button in the bottom right-hand corner of the nautilus window. (if granny didn't have an internet connection, the box would be grayed out and unclickable) She clicks it and is connected to a repository of pre-selected Ubuntu art works. In the repo, she sees small icons, and can mouse-over/single click to see larger previews. After checking the boxes for the wallpapers she wants, Grammy clicks "Install Wallpapers" and is done. Users could happily choose from hundreds of specially chosen backgrounds which have been selected for their color/composition to go well with the new Ubuntu default theme, instead of googling for hours for "free wallpapers." Backgrounds could be arranged by topic, with options like "Select All Nature Wallpapers," etc. Canonical could thereby 1) redefine the user experience, 2) gain more control over Ubuntu's aesthetic appeal, and 3) streamline the CD install image all in one swoop. Is this a good idea/something that could be passed on to relevent parties? -Brian Fleeger -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Again, top posting.
- Original Message From: Conn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Discussion on Ubuntu artwork Sent: Sunday, July 6, 2008 12:09:17 PM Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Again, top posting. >When you click reply in Gmail, do *not* >begin typing your reply where the cursor rests by default. Scroll >down and make your reply *underneath* quoted text, and as an >optional (but highly recommended) step, delete unnecessary parts >of the quoted text. Can I suggest posting the etiquette primer into the list-serve email sign-up sheet? I am just figuring this out now too, and it seems like a lot could be avoided if people were forced to read about the rules in the process of signing up. Alternately, there could be an automated first email for all new users that laid out the rules. Otherwise this is going to be an endless back and forth as new people sign up. Regards, Brian Fleeger -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Themers wanted for Long Term Vision in Launchpad
Hi all, I just made launchpad team and project sites for the Long Term Vision concept submission. Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Long_Term_Vision Launchpad Team:https://edge.launchpad.net/~long-term-vision-theme-team Launchpad Project:https://launchpad.net/long-term-vision I would like one or more (experienced) theme artists to collaborate in developing this concept. I am a linguist by trade and an artist by hobby, but have no skills in programming and/or theming. I am very flexible in terms of accepting new direction if I think something is a good idea, so anybody that is interested would have quite a bit of influence in the final look and feel of the product. Nothing in LTV is written in stone, not even if it is to be a light or dark theme. Even if you do not wish to contribute to the team directly, all are welcome to join the team just to take part in any polls we conduct. After all, the larger the sample, the closer to the general population when it comes to judging consumer taste. The group's list-serve email should be approved and up and running shortly. Also, if anyone looks at the project's Blueprints page and can recommend someone else to fill some needed roles, please do a guy a favor and pass the word! ;) Best, Brian Fleeger -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Suggestion for more wallpapers -- Re: Whats Up with This?
>Actually, I can look into removing some screensavers and stuff. I'll talk to >some people and see what the possiblities are. That's great! I have a theory that so many screensavers are included by default not because there is an army of ardent supporters advocating their inclusion, but because they are part of some upstream programs that nobody has thought to remove yet. Swapping them out for some more included wallpapers will really improve the user experience. The first act of personalization for most users is to change the wallpapers, and the first place most users go to do that is the included alternate wallpaper folder. Thanks, Brian - Original Message From: Kenneth Wimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Discussion on Ubuntu artwork Sent: Thursday, July 3, 2008 5:31:34 AM Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Suggestion for more wallpapers -- Re: Whats Up with This? On Thursday 03 July 2008 03:16:33 Brian Fleeger wrote: > Salene -- Thanks, you are right to point out it is not art related. > > However, the two areas I point out have been the object of many legitimate > critiques in the past from many press reviews of Ubuntu and in many a > forum. I do not think I am the first person to notice this. From a design > perspective, sometimes what you leave out is more important than what you > include. > > > Ken -- you sit at many tables and wear many hats; is cleaning up excess > material something you could/would pass on to relevent parties? If this in > not within your range of authority, that is okay. My only intention is to > make Ubuntu a better end product. > Actually, I can look into removing some screensavers and stuff. I'll talk to some people and see what the possiblities are. Ken -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Suggestion for more wallpapers -- Re: Whats Up with This?
Salene -- Thanks, you are right to point out it is not art related. However, the two areas I point out have been the object of many legitimate critiques in the past from many press reviews of Ubuntu and in many a forum. I do not think I am the first person to notice this. From a design perspective, sometimes what you leave out is more important than what you include. Ken -- you sit at many tables and wear many hats; is cleaning up excess material something you could/would pass on to relevent parties? If this in not within your range of authority, that is okay. My only intention is to make Ubuntu a better end product. Regards, Brian - Original Message From: Salane Ashcraft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Discussion on Ubuntu artwork Sent: Wednesday, July 2, 2008 7:33:44 PM Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Suggestion for more wallpapers -- Re: Whats Up with This? These things are not art related... ou would have to bring this up with the other development teams if we decided to include more wallpapers. Salane On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 6:29 PM, Brian Fleeger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Well, other than the outdated themes, there are two other major areas that I can recommend trimming some fat: the massive overstock of built-in screensavers; and the bloat of outdated games. Sorry to say it, but when was the last time anybody really needed to change their screensavers avery day for two years and never repeat? ;) But seriously, most of those screensavers and games are pretty ugly and/or not fun. I can't think the space might not be better used elsewhere, like including better wallpapers, which people do change frequently. Anybody else want to chime in on areas that could be trimmed? Regards, Brian Fleeger - Original Message From: Kenneth Wimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Discussion on Ubuntu artwork Sent: Wednesday, July 2, 2008 6:44:41 AM Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Suggestion for more wallpapers -- Re: Whats Up with This? On Wednesday 02 July 2008 05:07:37 Brian Fleeger wrote: > Ravindra makes a good point -- each release should have a better selection > of alternate wallpapers. I posted a bunch of open source photographs a few > days back on the "Desktop Background Submissions" page, all taken from the > WikiMedia site. I selected each of them for their inherent mixture of > brown with other lively colors (reds, blues, yellows, etc). Incidentally, > they would all look good with the dark theme in Alpha 1, or New Wave (the > next heir apparent). Though I include the link to the web sources below > each photo, the links don't display properly and are only viewable by going > into "edit" mode in the wiki. I hope the art team will consider including > them, or at least the idea of encouraging open source photography in > general. Regards, > Brian Fleeger Until now the biggest problem with getting more pics in has been the size of the CD image. In Hardy we included one extra pic and I was hoping on including one or two more this time as well. I'd also like to go through the gnome themes and remove all the older, outdated ones and include some nicer, newer stuff...perhaps that would be a subject on which everyone could vote. -- Ken -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Suggestion for more wallpapers -- Re: Whats Up with This?
Well, other than the outdated themes, there are two other major areas that I can recommend trimming some fat: the massive overstock of built-in screensavers; and the bloat of outdated games. Sorry to say it, but when was the last time anybody really needed to change their screensavers avery day for two years and never repeat? ;) But seriously, most of those screensavers and games are pretty ugly and/or not fun. I can't think the space might not be better used elsewhere, like including better wallpapers, which people do change frequently. Anybody else want to chime in on areas that could be trimmed? Regards, Brian Fleeger - Original Message From: Kenneth Wimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Discussion on Ubuntu artwork Sent: Wednesday, July 2, 2008 6:44:41 AM Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Suggestion for more wallpapers -- Re: Whats Up with This? On Wednesday 02 July 2008 05:07:37 Brian Fleeger wrote: > Ravindra makes a good point -- each release should have a better selection > of alternate wallpapers. I posted a bunch of open source photographs a few > days back on the "Desktop Background Submissions" page, all taken from the > WikiMedia site. I selected each of them for their inherent mixture of > brown with other lively colors (reds, blues, yellows, etc). Incidentally, > they would all look good with the dark theme in Alpha 1, or New Wave (the > next heir apparent). Though I include the link to the web sources below > each photo, the links don't display properly and are only viewable by going > into "edit" mode in the wiki. I hope the art team will consider including > them, or at least the idea of encouraging open source photography in > general. Regards, > Brian Fleeger Until now the biggest problem with getting more pics in has been the size of the CD image. In Hardy we included one extra pic and I was hoping on including one or two more this time as well. I'd also like to go through the gnome themes and remove all the older, outdated ones and include some nicer, newer stuff...perhaps that would be a subject on which everyone could vote. -- Ken -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Font suggestions
For what it is worth, I have seen Android's simplified and traditional Chinese (Mandarin) fonts, and they were beautiful/extremely clear (I am a Mandarin linguist by profession). -Brian Fleeger - Original Message From: Kenneth Wimer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Discussion on Ubuntu artwork Sent: Wednesday, July 2, 2008 1:21:02 PM Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Font suggestions On Wednesday 02 July 2008 19:18:06 Ashton wrote: > So how does Droid compare in terms of the language support mentioned > earlier? Maybe it has broad support if it's main purpose is to support > Android. Also, if Droid was made by the same people who made Liberation, > maybe the metrics were given the same attention? IANAFE (I am not a font > expert : p) so I wouldn't know. But I do recognize the > importance/convenience. From what I have read it is very good. Alas, I am also not an internationalization expert so I will refer this discussion to those in the company who are. Ken -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Suggestion for more wallpapers -- Re: Whats Up with This?
Ravindra makes a good point -- each release should have a better selection of alternate wallpapers. I posted a bunch of open source photographs a few days back on the "Desktop Background Submissions" page, all taken from the WikiMedia site. I selected each of them for their inherent mixture of brown with other lively colors (reds, blues, yellows, etc). Incidentally, they would all look good with the dark theme in Alpha 1, or New Wave (the next heir apparent). Though I include the link to the web sources below each photo, the links don't display properly and are only viewable by going into "edit" mode in the wiki. I hope the art team will consider including them, or at least the idea of encouraging open source photography in general. Regards, Brian Fleeger - Original Message From: Ravindra Singh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com Sent: Tuesday, July 1, 2008 4:17:17 AM Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Whats Up with This? I have a small suggestion to make, I have noticed that a normal Ubuntu live CD installation has at a maximum of 2 or 3 wallpapers by default while other distros such as Opensuse, Fedora, Linux Mint etc have at least 7 or 8. It would be nice if some of the art submitted at Ubuntu Art could be included also in the Live CD to give a user more choice. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Long Term Vision (LTV) concept posted -- anyone want to help?
Hi all, After struggling with my bad habit of wordiness, I finally posted the Long Term Vision concept. I hope the art team will consider some of its ideas for inclusion in Intrepid Ibex. It is viewable here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Long_Term_Vision. If you have any feedback, critiques, or areas you would like changed, please leave a note in the comments section on that wiki page (so I can keep track of everything). Also, is the next step for me to start up a Launchpad project page? I want to ask first so I don't gum up the works. Regards, Brian Fleeger -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Long Term Vision Theme
Dear Nothlit, Thanks for the advice on where to post. I have still not posted the concept (still editing), so this helps. I had read the section you cite on the Incoming page, but was nervous about posting outside the current release cycle area -- I thought it was for items which were never intended for implementation in the mainstream releases, i.e. optional themes and whatnot. Don't worry, contrary to advice, I had no intention of emailing Mark Shuttleworth! :) Take care, Brian - Original Message From: nothlit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Discussion on Ubuntu artwork Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 11:09:31 AM Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Long Term Vision Theme > I am new to the art team, and would like to ask where would be the best > place to post my new "Long Term Vision" theme, a follow-up to > "Gimmie-Human." I would ordinarily post a new theme directly under the > Incoming/Intrepid sub-directory, but this is a very ambitious > "re-envisioning" of Ubuntu and probably not totally implementable in one > development cycle. I would like to modularize aspects of the theme > realization, such that work could begin under Intrepid, and then continue > implementing other modules in subsequent releases until completion or > another "vision" takes its place. Its mentioned on the main Artwork (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork) page, as well as the Incoming page, a little lower down. Obviously this is not working, so if anyone has a suggestion to help make this a little clearer, please email me :). "If you have a complete concept that is meant to be developed outside of the regular release cycle, such as Blubuntu--please use the /PageTemplate and put your page in /Incoming. Keep it clear and simple." So, the correct place for items that lie outside the release cycle is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming Theres a form there that will help you do that :). Make sure you keep us updated on the situation in the list though! For all reading this-- DO NOT email Mark Shuttleworth all your themes. Submit all things to artwork lists and other places detailed under https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Documentation/GetInvolved, as well as probably www.ubuntu-art.org :). The correct person to contact is the Canonical Representive, Kenneth Wimer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). What you have so far looks great but remember, the only developer resources we have are the ones we can muster up ourselves :) -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Long Term Vision Theme
Hi Michael, Oh, I see! I think the indented look you mention may be an artifact of the low resolution I used to get the pictures to attach to my email. Take a look at my pictures once I finish posting and then see what you think. I use a brown rounded rectangle as a background for the notification area, with a non-gradated gray color, but no indentation. Thanks for getting back to me! Regards, Brian - Original Message From: Michael McKinley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Discussion on Ubuntu artwork Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 3:23:27 PM Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Long Term Vision Theme > 2) Please specify what you mean by "notification area." Notification area == system tray -Michael -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Long Term Vision Theme
Shadowh511, Most launcher type applications are totally flexible in terms of how you place them. I beleive Michael was pointing out a perceived bad use of space in the "default" layout. I was planning a section just on the topic of how to use the tabbed launcher bar, its interface, and screen location. One cool thing is, I had previously gotten feedback from a couple of the guys on the Mayanna team that the launcher was completely feasible using their code. I will contact them again after I post this iteration. I beleive the man-machine interface I outline will be highly efficient and unlike any other OSs user experience. -Brian - Original Message From: shadowh511 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Discussion on Ubuntu artwork Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 11:54:04 AM Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Long Term Vision Theme how about you can move the bar around? -- Frank Lloyd Wright - "TV is chewing gum for the eyes." -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Long Term Vision Theme
Dear Michael, Thank you for your feedback. I will post my work with larger images into the Intrepid wiki once I finish the text explaination. In answer to your points: 1) the precise placement on the bottom bar is totally fluid, and up to debate. I personally had considered placing it higher, up to about 1/3 up from the bottom, just to make it more aesthetically pleasing -- though your point about leaving more space for other functions is well taken! I am totally upen to suggestions about what to put down there. However, my gut reaction and part of the reason I removed the lower tool bar to begin with was to take up less panel space on smaller screens, and try to make the user interface more friendly, say like consumer electronics. Too many panels confuses people and are just not easy on the eyes. Of course placing other functions in the 4 corner areas (Fitt's Law) is always good in theory -- however I think it should not done in a way that sacrifices the look and feel of the interface. 2) Please specify what you mean by "notification area." If you are refering to the main panel activated clicking the Ubuntu symbol, the version I present is the "pretty face" that includes clutter animations and allows for growing/shrinking tabbed icons. A static version with icons of uniform size could be used on lower power systems without Compiz or Clutter enabled. When using icons of static size, the active icon could be represented by a difference in brightness and contrast levels, and/or an icon outline. Thank you for your input. I will post my full work as soon as I am able! Regards, Brian Fleeger - Original Message From: Michael McKinley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Discussion on Ubuntu artwork Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 11:07:18 AM Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Long Term Vision Theme Two thoughts on the theme: 1) I think that the bar at the bottom takes up too much space. The area below it isn't very "usable" so will end up being wasted space for most people. 2) I don't like how the notification area's background is significantly different than the recent of the panel's. Having it look "indented" might work very well, but it has to fit smoothly in with the panel. On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 10:55 PM, shadowh511 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In answer to your question on placing, I think that you should > a. put an email on the list > b. make a page on the wiki > c. email mark shuttleworth (sp?) about the theme > > if you ask my opinion, i would pay $400 for the ubuntu theme you have > pictured. It looks like is can actually make my computer usage enjoyable :) > > -- > ubuntu-art mailing list > ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com > https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art > > -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
