Re: [ubuntu-art] Karmic boot and login - proposed designs

[Oliver Scholtz 1]

Brown is really okay. Black and White is boring and pull down a little
bit the EyeCandy in my opinion.

Oliver

Am Sonntag, den 16.08.2009, 12:09 -0500 schrieb David Zondlo:
> wow please no not the brown! I thought they were getting rid
> of brown
> 
> 
> Lol, way to pull that out of your ass But I can see where your
> coming from with the first iteration being gray and such. I do like
> the brown tho, much better then the 1st iteration.


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Re: [ubuntu-art] Karmic boot and login - proposed designs

[David Zondlo]

wow please no not the brown! I thought they were getting rid of brown


Lol, way to pull that out of your ass But I can see where your coming
from with the first iteration being gray and such. I do like the brown tho,
much better then the 1st iteration.
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Karmic boot and login - proposed designs

[Smartboy]

On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 9:29 PM, Caleb Sawtell wrote:

> wow please no not the brown! I thought they were getting rid of brown
>
>
> On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 9:49 PM, Thorsten Wilms  wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 2009-08-14 at 18:14 +0100, Mat Tomaszewski wrote:
>>
>> > The second iteration can be viewed here
>> >
>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Boot/Demo#Ubuntu%20Karmic%20boot%20demo%20and%20proposed%20GDM%20theme%20%E2%80%93%20Iteration%202
>>
>> As also placed on the wiki:
>>
>> Examples of options I would explore based on Iteration 2:
>>
>>
>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Boot?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=iteration_2_tw_splash.png
>>
>> * CoF with colors to make things friendlier, livelier and to stay
>> consistent with most occurrences of the logo.
>> * Hue variations on the background to break away from stifling
>> monochromaticity.
>> * Less pronounced lighting effect to give the boxes appearing on the
>> background more room to breath. This avoids distraction.
>>
>>
>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Boot?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=iteration_2_tw_list.png
>>
>> * Uniform box without offset inner area. Also no alternating item
>> backgrounds. Avatar images and spacing are more than sufficient for
>> separation.
>> * Subtle gradient to establish a connection between background and list
>> box.
>> * Selected item bg not harsh-white, but toned down.
>> * 3 separate areas on the bottom instead of one bar.
>> * Login options aligned with list. Also means large distance between the
>> bottom items.
>> * Toned down Accessibility, Power and Login Options to make them step
>> behind the list a bit. No glow, could be used on hover, though.
>>
>> Please try to consider each option in separation.
>>
>> Source (SVG with linked screenshots):
>>
>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Boot?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=iteration_2_tw.tar.bz2
>>
>>
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Have any official sources stating that? ;)

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Karmic boot and login - proposed designs

[Caleb Sawtell]

wow please no not the brown! I thought they were getting rid of brown

On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 9:49 PM, Thorsten Wilms  wrote:

> On Fri, 2009-08-14 at 18:14 +0100, Mat Tomaszewski wrote:
>
> > The second iteration can be viewed here
> >
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Boot/Demo#Ubuntu%20Karmic%20boot%20demo%20and%20proposed%20GDM%20theme%20%E2%80%93%20Iteration%202
>
> As also placed on the wiki:
>
> Examples of options I would explore based on Iteration 2:
>
>
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Boot?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=iteration_2_tw_splash.png
>
> * CoF with colors to make things friendlier, livelier and to stay
> consistent with most occurrences of the logo.
> * Hue variations on the background to break away from stifling
> monochromaticity.
> * Less pronounced lighting effect to give the boxes appearing on the
> background more room to breath. This avoids distraction.
>
>
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Boot?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=iteration_2_tw_list.png
>
> * Uniform box without offset inner area. Also no alternating item
> backgrounds. Avatar images and spacing are more than sufficient for
> separation.
> * Subtle gradient to establish a connection between background and list
> box.
> * Selected item bg not harsh-white, but toned down.
> * 3 separate areas on the bottom instead of one bar.
> * Login options aligned with list. Also means large distance between the
> bottom items.
> * Toned down Accessibility, Power and Login Options to make them step
> behind the list a bit. No glow, could be used on hover, though.
>
> Please try to consider each option in separation.
>
> Source (SVG with linked screenshots):
>
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Boot?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=iteration_2_tw.tar.bz2
>
>
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Karmic boot and login - proposed designs

[Sam]

>
>
> No question about it, Karmic's boot is going to be hella cool ^_^
>
>
TruDat.  Would it be hard to have the user's wallpaper (assuming single user
system) be the background of both gdm and splash screen?
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Karmic boot and login - proposed designs

[David Zondlo]

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Boot?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=iteration_2_tw_splash.png
is perfect. Right on target here. As for the next image, things I
think should be changed:

-The bottom toolbar in my opinion should stay, I like the look of one
unifited toolbar at the bottom.

-the black in the user selection box should be replaced with a very
very dark brown, just sticking with the theme.

No question about it, Karmic's boot is going to be hella cool ^_^

Thanks
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Karmic boot and login - proposed designs

[Thorsten Wilms]

On Fri, 2009-08-14 at 18:14 +0100, Mat Tomaszewski wrote:

> The second iteration can be viewed here 
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Boot/Demo#Ubuntu%20Karmic%20boot%20demo%20and%20proposed%20GDM%20theme%20%E2%80%93%20Iteration%202

As also placed on the wiki:

Examples of options I would explore based on Iteration 2:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Boot?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=iteration_2_tw_splash.png

* CoF with colors to make things friendlier, livelier and to stay
consistent with most occurrences of the logo.
* Hue variations on the background to break away from stifling
monochromaticity.
* Less pronounced lighting effect to give the boxes appearing on the
background more room to breath. This avoids distraction. 

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Boot?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=iteration_2_tw_list.png

* Uniform box without offset inner area. Also no alternating item
backgrounds. Avatar images and spacing are more than sufficient for
separation.
* Subtle gradient to establish a connection between background and list
box.
* Selected item bg not harsh-white, but toned down.
* 3 separate areas on the bottom instead of one bar.
* Login options aligned with list. Also means large distance between the
bottom items.
* Toned down Accessibility, Power and Login Options to make them step
behind the list a bit. No glow, could be used on hover, though. 

Please try to consider each option in separation. 

Source (SVG with linked screenshots):
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Boot?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=iteration_2_tw.tar.bz2


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Re: [ubuntu-art] Karmic boot and login - proposed designs

[Anton Kerezov]

On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 10:58 PM, Saleel Velankar wrote:

> Mat Tomaszewski wrote:
> > Again, your feedback is more than welcome.
>

This time I agree with the others. There are some things to note that
probably will improve the looks of the gdm:
* Than bg color is not cool. Desaturate the reds in it or make it lighter.
* This checker style is not ok imo. If you remove these the user list will
look much better and as as one interconnected whole.
* I would try the white bg f the glow to be some different color (lighter
brown that would look transparent).

These assumptions are just my point of view. I like more the previous design
with the enchantments you have done though.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Karmic boot and login - proposed designs

[Saleel Velankar]

Mat Tomaszewski wrote:
> Again, your feedback is more than welcome.
>
>   
Things I love:

New throbber. sleek.
White logo with slight glow.
White disability and power icons.
Overall dark gui: sexy

Things I don't love (but can see a reason for.)

Spotlight on 'floor', how does it look when there is only 1 user?
"Login Options" I think that this should be an icon like the other two 
white icons, perhaps a gears icon. I can see reasons against this.
In the GDM theme the white frame around the user selection box is 
darkened, this makes it so much less sexier. Those white borders really 
helped distinguish the box from the background. furthermore I don't 
think that the stroke color matches the stroke of the bottom options bar.


Things I cannot stand:

You will hate me for this, but the brown you chose is too lively and too 
dark. Making the brown more orangish, or even tannish, will highlight 
the sexiness of that dark sexy gui. 
http://desktoppub.about.com/od/colorpalettes/l/blcpbrown.htm
the link and the book the link refers to make interesting reading. :3

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Karmic boot and login - proposed designs

[David Zondlo]

O.O You guys listened?!? Oh man, Ubuntu's community is > *

^-^ I honestly think it is much much better! For some reason -
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Boot/Demo?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=xsplash-2.png
is looking a little rough on the gradients (checked it on 4 different
monitors).

Now, what I don't like:
---
-The color of the bottom toolbar contrasts with the color the the
background tool much. They just look like mismatched browns :(

- The very contrasted white selections in
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Boot/Demo?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=gdm-menus-2.png
(Select Language and Mat) I like the fact that you guys are using a
solid color, I'm sure that really cuts down on the amount of images
needed! But something about the white looks off to me. Umm, I don't
believe light brown would look much better but mabye a light brown (or
light gray) really close to white, with a some kind of thick border of
darker brown (or darker gray) that is still pretty light :)


Oh, I just noticed the throbber! It looks much, much better!! Even tho
I dislike some things I think it has gotten much better since the last
one, and perhaps Iteration 3 will nail it :D

Anyways, just my $0.1
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Karmic boot and login - proposed designs

[Mat Tomaszewski]

Hi,

First of all - many thanks for all the comments and suggestions we have 
received so far as well as all the new contributions. You guys rock.
We have been looking closely at every submission, and found many 
interesting ideas there, in particular regarding the color. We could not 
disagree with the general feeling that our initial proposal felt a bit 
"cold" and not really "human enough".

The second iteration can be viewed here 
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Boot/Demo#Ubuntu%20Karmic%20boot%20demo%20and%20proposed%20GDM%20theme%20%E2%80%93%20Iteration%202

Again, your feedback is more than welcome.

Have a great weekend.

Cheers!

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Karmic boot and login - proposed designs

[Daniel Chapman]

>
> Hi,
>
> Not so long ago we announced the revamp of boot and login experiences in
> Ubuntu and received a great response from the Artwork Team, with many
> interesting concepts being submitted. Thanks again for all your hard work.
>
> The deadline approaches fast and the time is now to make final
> decisions. We have just returned from the Platform Sprint in Dublin,
> where folks directly responsible for making Ubuntu release happen on
> time have gathered. The design team's role was to propose final
> concepts, communicate them to the developers and make sure they can be
> implemented on time. We have received a lot of valuable feedback and
> revised our proposals accordingly.
>
> The initial assumptions, however, remain unchanged. The Foundations
> Team's goal is to start the X server as fast as possible (3-4 seconds on
> a reference machine) and therefore, Usplash will not be used in most
> cases. A new splash screen (Xsplash) will be developed on top of the X
> server and enable a smooth  transition into the GDM and the user session.
>
> The latest designs can be viewed here:
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Boot/Demo. We're looking
> forward to your feedback!
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Mat


The "throbber" looks really good. This is better (as described by Mat
Tomaszewski) than the progress bar until the boot process is more
predictable.

I agree that the colour needs to be changed. I think either
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Boot/#Iteration
1 or https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Boot/#Iteration 3 are
really good.

I think how the panels emerge/fade in like on Iteration 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcSpkmM36nA
is
really smooth and looks great. Would it be possible to have the desktop
icons "fade in" as well? Are there any effects available when transitioning
from boot/gdm to desktop?

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Karmic boot and login - proposed designs

[Anton Kerezov]

On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 11:28 AM, mac_v  wrote:

> Hi,
> Mat had specifically asked for feedback.
>
> The present boot screen doesnt look cool and has a lot of design flaws.
> Thorwil perfectly sums up all the problems with the present boot.
>
> And i think the most perfect description was > *interrogation room* !
>
> cheers
> mac_v
>

There are certainly things that I don't like too but I'm just curious to
know how would they implement that glow and all other things. That is pretty
impossible right now (at least I don't a way to do it). Also that dialogs
and windows have inconsistent shadows and highlight, seem rather flat, the
active item does not feel right with it's vast white bg but it is a starting
point. If somebody can implement that then it would be very easy to add some
gradient to the active items or tune up shadows and transparencies. That was
my point.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Karmic boot and login - proposed designs

[Szerencsefia]

Mat Tomaszewski wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Not so long ago we announced the revamp of boot and login experiences in 
> Ubuntu and received a great response from the Artwork Team, with many 
> interesting concepts being submitted. Thanks again for all your hard work.
>
> The deadline approaches fast and the time is now to make final 
> decisions. We have just returned from the Platform Sprint in Dublin, 
> where folks directly responsible for making Ubuntu release happen on 
> time have gathered. The design team's role was to propose final 
> concepts, communicate them to the developers and make sure they can be 
> implemented on time. We have received a lot of valuable feedback and 
> revised our proposals accordingly.
>
> The initial assumptions, however, remain unchanged. The Foundations 
> Team's goal is to start the X server as fast as possible (3-4 seconds on 
> a reference machine) and therefore, Usplash will not be used in most 
> cases. A new splash screen (Xsplash) will be developed on top of the X 
> server and enable a smooth  transition into the GDM and the user session.
>
> The latest designs can be viewed here: 
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Boot/Demo. We're looking 
> forward to your feedback!
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Mat
>
>   

It looks very promising. Do you have a color palette and a guide line
for the needed corresponding GTK2 theme?

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Karmic boot and login - proposed designs

[Mat Tomaszewski]

mac_v wrote:
> Anton Kerezov wrote:
>   
>> I really don't understand you guys. You should be happy that something 
>> is happening and it looks cool and matches every possible theme the user 
>> might choose afterwords because it is as neutral as possible (B&W). I 
>> can't see how the current GDM is better that the proposed one? The new 
>> style just feels modern and will definitely not be liked by many but 
>> many others will enjoy it. That is just a start and if implemented it 
>> will develop and become better over time just as every theme, program or 
>> whatever product. As this is only a mockup we will have to wait for a 
>> real release to be able to criticise more.
>>
>>
>> 

Thanks for all the feedback guys.

Anton's right in that one of the aims was to make the theme more 
adaptable. He's also right in that the proposed design may spark some 
controversy. That could be a good thing, but we also have to be careful, 
therefore we really value your feedback, especially if it's critical.

I'm CC'ing Otto Greenslade, who created the current visual concept of 
the splash screen, I'm sure he'll be interested in joining the debate.

Thanks again,

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Karmic boot and login - proposed designs

[mac_v]

Anton Kerezov wrote:
> I really don't understand you guys. You should be happy that something 
> is happening and it looks cool and matches every possible theme the user 
> might choose afterwords because it is as neutral as possible (B&W). I 
> can't see how the current GDM is better that the proposed one? The new 
> style just feels modern and will definitely not be liked by many but 
> many others will enjoy it. That is just a start and if implemented it 
> will develop and become better over time just as every theme, program or 
> whatever product. As this is only a mockup we will have to wait for a 
> real release to be able to criticise more.
> 
> 
> Just my 2 cents
> ___
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> ankere.wordpress.com 
> 

Hi,
Mat had specifically asked for feedback.

The present boot screen doesnt look cool and has a lot of design flaws. 
Thorwil perfectly sums up all the problems with the present boot.

And i think the most perfect description was > *interrogation room* !

cheers
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Karmic boot and login - proposed designs

[Anton Kerezov]

I really don't understand you guys. You should be happy that something is
happening and it looks cool and matches every possible theme the user might
choose afterwords because it is as neutral as possible (B&W). I can't see
how the current GDM is better that the proposed one? The new style just
feels modern and will definitely not be liked by many but many others will
enjoy it. That is just a start and if implemented it will develop and become
better over time just as every theme, program or whatever product. As this
is only a mockup we will have to wait for a real release to be able to
criticise more.


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Re: [ubuntu-art] Karmic boot and login - proposed designs

[Brian]

I don't really understand the purpose of the new GDM theme here. The
existing new GDM (the one in Karmic right now) is good and honest. It
provides us with a smooth connection between GDM and desktop, looks as
good as the desktop (which is good) and is optimal for accessibility.
It also supports system tray applets like the one provided by
gnome-power-manager. It proves that there is no reason whatsoever to
create some artificial interface that follows a completely different
style from the desktop the user is about to log in to.

Why drop that for a different GDM front-end that requires specific
maintenance and creates an unnecessary break from the desktop's theme?

I'd also like to recommend thoroughly against gradients unless
something truly magical has occurred where we get completely rich
colour palettes on all systems by default. I am picturing serious
banding in a lot of cases. Feel free to prove me wrong, though.

Dylan


as far as I know, the official artwork for Karmic hasn't been dropped
yet, so how do you know it doesn't fit in with the desktop theme? ;) haha.
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Karmic boot and login - proposed designs

[Dylan McCall]

I don't really understand the purpose of the new GDM theme here. The
existing new GDM (the one in Karmic right now) is good and honest. It
provides us with a smooth connection between GDM and desktop, looks as
good as the desktop (which is good) and is optimal for accessibility.
It also supports system tray applets like the one provided by
gnome-power-manager. It proves that there is no reason whatsoever to
create some artificial interface that follows a completely different
style from the desktop the user is about to log in to.

Why drop that for a different GDM front-end that requires specific
maintenance and creates an unnecessary break from the desktop's theme?

I'd also like to recommend thoroughly against gradients unless
something truly magical has occurred where we get completely rich
colour palettes on all systems by default. I am picturing serious
banding in a lot of cases. Feel free to prove me wrong, though.



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Re: [ubuntu-art] Karmic boot and login - proposed designs

[Chris Tooley]

On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 6:55 AM, Mat
Tomaszewski wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Not so long ago we announced the revamp of boot and login experiences in
> Ubuntu and received a great response from the Artwork Team, with many
> interesting concepts being submitted. Thanks again for all your hard work.
>
> The deadline approaches fast and the time is now to make final
> decisions. We have just returned from the Platform Sprint in Dublin,
> where folks directly responsible for making Ubuntu release happen on
> time have gathered. The design team's role was to propose final
> concepts, communicate them to the developers and make sure they can be
> implemented on time. We have received a lot of valuable feedback and
> revised our proposals accordingly.
>
> The initial assumptions, however, remain unchanged. The Foundations
> Team's goal is to start the X server as fast as possible (3-4 seconds on
> a reference machine) and therefore, Usplash will not be used in most
> cases. A new splash screen (Xsplash) will be developed on top of the X
> server and enable a smooth  transition into the GDM and the user session.
>
> The latest designs can be viewed here:
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Boot/Demo. We're looking
> forward to your feedback!
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Mat

I love the transition effects, but, as has been mentioned before, I
was expecting to see a darker theme, in line with the loading screen
colours - the transition from dark brown to brighter human felt a bit
disconnected :)

If we think about it, Mac uses a grey background with a simple logo
and throbber, even though at first glance it seems to disconnect with
a background, it does match the window decorations well.

Just my 2 cents.
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Karmic boot and login - proposed designs

[vikram]

How about Mr.doob's boot the first iteration, that seems to be providing
visually pleasing looks...

Thanks,
Vikram

ਸੋਮ , 2009-08-10, 15:59 ਵਜੇ -0400, Saleel Velankar ਨੇ ਲਿਖਿਆ:
> mac_v wrote:
> > Why? The present color is dull/bland/boring and not visually exciting.
> > Either of these colors:
> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Boot#Submission%20Brown%20-%20#2
> > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Boot#Iteration%203
> >   or any other color with is more visually stimulating
> I would add that the color that is chosen should have some relationship 
> to the default wallpaper. Having a black gdm and a brown /white 
> wallpaper like in jaunty is really jarring to the who experience. Imho, 
> I would ask the team responsible for default backgrounds for help in 
> choosing a complimentary color scheme. Really a good job otherwise, some 
> interesting ideas do not seem to have made it in this time... on the the 
> question of color is there a reason why the current color scheme /was/ 
> chosen? why was it limited to to 2 colors?
> 
> On the flash demon, as the throbber moves, the light pulse that moves 
> along the line needs to be smaller, so that it doesn't appear 
> rectangular. Apologies if this is bikeshedding.
> 
> --Saleel
> 
> 
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Karmic boot and login - proposed designs

[Saleel Velankar]

mac_v wrote:
> Why? The present color is dull/bland/boring and not visually exciting.
> Either of these colors:
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Boot#Submission%20Brown%20-%20#2
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Boot#Iteration%203
>   or any other color with is more visually stimulating
I would add that the color that is chosen should have some relationship 
to the default wallpaper. Having a black gdm and a brown /white 
wallpaper like in jaunty is really jarring to the who experience. Imho, 
I would ask the team responsible for default backgrounds for help in 
choosing a complimentary color scheme. Really a good job otherwise, some 
interesting ideas do not seem to have made it in this time... on the the 
question of color is there a reason why the current color scheme /was/ 
chosen? why was it limited to to 2 colors?

On the flash demon, as the throbber moves, the light pulse that moves 
along the line needs to be smaller, so that it doesn't appear 
rectangular. Apologies if this is bikeshedding.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Karmic boot and login - proposed designs

[Thorsten Wilms]

On Mon, 2009-08-10 at 14:55 +0100, Mat Tomaszewski wrote:

> The latest designs can be viewed here: 
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Boot/Demo. We're looking 
> forward to your feedback!

I see lots of steps in the gradients of the splash screen. It made me
wonder if I'm looking at a JPG, but it is a PNG. Now I do know that this
issue comes up with dark and brown tones easily, and to some degree it
might be my display.

I thought having the original 3 colors in the CoF was all important? Did
that idea walk out with Mr. Hubbard? I'm not trying to mock you here, I
really just wonder.

The overall impression is simply not friendly. It tries to be cool, but
for something brownish, it sure looks cold. One could think of an
interrogation room.

The light spot implies a room with depth: a light shining down unto a
floor. The logo and throbber don't connect to that, but that might be
OK. Not so for the selection box (GDM). It just hangs there, destroying
the impression of a room, while having nothing that would give depth to
itself (like a shadow). Just a flat thing of darkness.

The double framing inside the account box doesn't buy you anything.

The menus emphasize the conflict of flat darkness vs brownish depth.


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Re: [ubuntu-art] Karmic boot and login - proposed designs

[mac_v]

Mat Tomaszewski wrote:
> mac_v wrote:
>>   
> 
> That would be very true if we could make sure the progress bar behaves 
> predictably, another words - the progress indication is stable. The 
> value of a progress bar that slows down and stops, accelerates, slows 
> down again, etc. is not really very high. Since we couldn't ensure the 
> consistent behaviour, we decided to use a throbber instead.
> 
> Using a throbber has the following advantages:
>  - it gives the impression of stability and predictability
>  - users will quickly learn how many iterations would occur before boot 
> completes, which makes the boot speed easy to track (and helps 
> appreciate the *constant* boot performace of Ubuntu!).
> 

I expected this reply ,*to the word* ;)
and i dont really expect the team to change back to the progressbar.

just my 2 cents >  it seems rather than fixing this problem , which 
surely you would have already tried , you are working around the problem.
kindly dont simplify it!

When you stick with the progress bar and focus on making it right it can 
surely be done. if you replace it with the throbber no-one will put any 
effort into it! it will never be made consistent if we are going to find 
easier workarounds.

I'd say stick with it and focus on making it right.

> 
>> 2- the color of the background is dull , pls choose a more vibrant color.
>>
>>   
> 
> Any suggestions what particular colour we could use and why?
> 
> Thanks!
> M.
> 
Why? The present color is dull/bland/boring and not visually exciting.

Either of these colors:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Boot#Submission%20Brown%20-%20#2
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Boot#Iteration%203
  or any other color with is more visually stimulating

cheers,
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Karmic boot and login - proposed designs

[Mat Tomaszewski]

mac_v wrote:
> Mat Tomaszewski wrote:
>   
>> Hi,
>>
>> Not so long ago we announced the revamp of boot and login experiences in 
>> Ubuntu and received a great response from the Artwork Team, with many 
>> interesting concepts being submitted. Thanks again for all your hard work.
>>
>> The deadline approaches fast and the time is now to make final 
>> decisions. We have just returned from the Platform Sprint in Dublin, 
>> where folks directly responsible for making Ubuntu release happen on 
>> time have gathered. The design team's role was to propose final 
>> concepts, communicate them to the developers and make sure they can be 
>> implemented on time. We have received a lot of valuable feedback and 
>> revised our proposals accordingly.
>>
>> The initial assumptions, however, remain unchanged. The Foundations 
>> Team's goal is to start the X server as fast as possible (3-4 seconds on 
>> a reference machine) and therefore, Usplash will not be used in most 
>> cases. A new splash screen (Xsplash) will be developed on top of the X 
>> server and enable a smooth  transition into the GDM and the user session.
>>
>> The latest designs can be viewed here: 
>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Boot/Demo. We're looking 
>> forward to your feedback!
>>
>> Many thanks,
>>
>> Mat
>>
>> 
>
> Hi,
> Seems a lot of the good ideas on the wiki were not picked up...
>
> Anyways, just constructive criticism:
> 1- the lack of the progress bar , will be difficult to know when the 
> system loading will be finished.[IMO this is a *regression* , other OS 
> may not have the progressbar but we had a good feature!]
>the presence of the progress bar actually shows off the good work 
> done in reducing the boot time, you can visually see the boot is quicker 
> than Jaunty and _shows off the speed_ of Ubuntu .[which other OS lack!]
>   

That would be very true if we could make sure the progress bar behaves 
predictably, another words - the progress indication is stable. The 
value of a progress bar that slows down and stops, accelerates, slows 
down again, etc. is not really very high. Since we couldn't ensure the 
consistent behaviour, we decided to use a throbber instead.

Using a throbber has the following advantages:
 - it gives the impression of stability and predictability
 - users will quickly learn how many iterations would occur before boot 
completes, which makes the boot speed easy to track (and helps 
appreciate the *constant* boot performace of Ubuntu!).


> 2- the color of the background is dull , pls choose a more vibrant color.
>
>   

Any suggestions what particular colour we could use and why?

Thanks!
M.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Karmic boot and login - proposed designs

[mac_v]

Mat Tomaszewski wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Not so long ago we announced the revamp of boot and login experiences in 
> Ubuntu and received a great response from the Artwork Team, with many 
> interesting concepts being submitted. Thanks again for all your hard work.
> 
> The deadline approaches fast and the time is now to make final 
> decisions. We have just returned from the Platform Sprint in Dublin, 
> where folks directly responsible for making Ubuntu release happen on 
> time have gathered. The design team's role was to propose final 
> concepts, communicate them to the developers and make sure they can be 
> implemented on time. We have received a lot of valuable feedback and 
> revised our proposals accordingly.
> 
> The initial assumptions, however, remain unchanged. The Foundations 
> Team's goal is to start the X server as fast as possible (3-4 seconds on 
> a reference machine) and therefore, Usplash will not be used in most 
> cases. A new splash screen (Xsplash) will be developed on top of the X 
> server and enable a smooth  transition into the GDM and the user session.
> 
> The latest designs can be viewed here: 
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Boot/Demo. We're looking 
> forward to your feedback!
> 
> Many thanks,
> 
> Mat
> 

Hi,
Seems a lot of the good ideas on the wiki were not picked up...

Anyways, just constructive criticism:
1- the lack of the progress bar , will be difficult to know when the 
system loading will be finished.[IMO this is a *regression* , other OS 
may not have the progressbar but we had a good feature!]
   the presence of the progress bar actually shows off the good work 
done in reducing the boot time, you can visually see the boot is quicker 
than Jaunty and _shows off the speed_ of Ubuntu .[which other OS lack!]

2- the color of the background is dull , pls choose a more vibrant color.

cheers,
mac_v

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[ubuntu-art] Karmic boot and login - proposed designs

[Mat Tomaszewski]

Hi,

Not so long ago we announced the revamp of boot and login experiences in 
Ubuntu and received a great response from the Artwork Team, with many 
interesting concepts being submitted. Thanks again for all your hard work.

The deadline approaches fast and the time is now to make final 
decisions. We have just returned from the Platform Sprint in Dublin, 
where folks directly responsible for making Ubuntu release happen on 
time have gathered. The design team's role was to propose final 
concepts, communicate them to the developers and make sure they can be 
implemented on time. We have received a lot of valuable feedback and 
revised our proposals accordingly.

The initial assumptions, however, remain unchanged. The Foundations 
Team's goal is to start the X server as fast as possible (3-4 seconds on 
a reference machine) and therefore, Usplash will not be used in most 
cases. A new splash screen (Xsplash) will be developed on top of the X 
server and enable a smooth  transition into the GDM and the user session.

The latest designs can be viewed here: 
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Karmic/Boot/Demo. We're looking 
forward to your feedback!

Many thanks,

Mat

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