Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded

2011-05-19 Thread Jurgen Gaeremyn 
lol! just felt that whip cracking my 4ss... that hurt.

I love the idea of this stick - and I don't doubt anyone thinks it is a
bad idea.

I popped the question to our council members (love playing with that
whip too) ;) ... so I hope to get some feedback from the others too.

Otoh, this is buying something that can take a big bite out of the
Ubuntu-be budget. If we want to do this, we'd better do it right (= well
organized).

Starting a vzw isn't going to happen yet... at least the first few
months (maybe a year), we'll see what direction we grow.
But if this idea is sustainable (organized from the base), I think we
can make this happen. So it's up to y'all to organize this one:

- what has to happen?
- decide on specs & form factor
- compare prices/qualities
- choose/design imprint for stick
- find sponsor?
- how to merchandise it (site? only Dipro?...)
- actually "fill" the sticks
- follow up on orders, stock, etc...
- do the payment
- (please complete list) ...

- who will do it?
- if this item remains empty, no need in thinking further

- questions to clear out
- won't this be competition on Dipro?
  (competition with other people selling sticks)


So, to say it with Marx: "Ubuntero's of all countries, Unity!"
(erh.. I mean unite!)

Grtz,
Jurgen


On 05/19/11 10:30, Jan Bongaerts wrote:
> I guess with all these plans of merchandising, we'll need a vzw quite
> desperately.
> Council members, get to work!
> Sofort! SCHNELLER! (cracking whip)
> ;-)
> 
> On 19 May 2011 10:22, wouter Vandenneucker  > wrote:
> 
> if we're gonna sell mugs we need to do it the good way, not vista
> print way..
> I guess we could try to become an 'ubuntu market place' (like an
> ubuntu partner but with less musts)
> http://webapps.ubuntu.com/marketplace/
> 
> there are a couple of them who do merchandising..
> 
> grts
> 
> 
> Wouter
> Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 10:14:45 +0200
> From: ste...@leeman.be 
> 
> To: ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com 
> Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 9:57 AM, martijn cielen  > wrote:
> 
> Even better would be to have some people start Canonical Belgium
> ofcourse ;-)
> (I'd apply for a job there immediately)
> 
> But seen the negative faq item, I guess we're stuck with overpriced
> shipping. Guess we could revive the idea of "samenkoop" I launched a
> while ago, if we find a decent way to manage this.
> 
> 
> this is the "ubuntu-fr" shop...
> they ask 19 euro for a 4gbyte usb key
> : http://framakey.org/Pack/Framakey-Ubuntu
> http://enventelibre.org/ubuntufr 
> 
> you can create "mugs" with vistaprint...
> 


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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Ubuntu-be job offer

2011-05-19 Thread Jurgen Gaeremyn 
Hey Jan,

that's a great initiative!

Now I guess, since you'll be the host, it's up to you to pick a date (or
if you've got plenty of freedom - set up a doodle to let people choose)

Away with the BBQ's... hurray for the braai!

Grtz,
Jurgen

On 05/19/11 10:19, Jan Bongaerts wrote:
> Sorry this mail got lost in cyberspace because the attachment was too large.
> Resending with compressed attachment.
> 
> On 14 May 2011 19:03, Jan Bongaerts  > wrote:
> 
> 
> Seeing that I have no real computing skills to offer, I am certainly
> up for hosting a braai.
> 
> I have on offer:
> - a lovely terrace on our loft in the heart of Antwerp. It's
> slightly larger than Jurgen's top part of his garden, and perfectly
> level.
> - easily reachable by public transport.
> - stunning view.
> - South African expertise on braai matters. Indeed we call it a
> braai. Barbecue is for ignorant Americans.
> - hosting 10, maximum 15.
> 
> Please find a picture attached.
> The grass is fake, the cathedral isn't.
> 
> Cheers,
> Jan.


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Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded

2011-05-19 Thread Steven Leeman 
Ik heb vandaag al een hele doos ontvangen met alle mogelijke modellen
van usb sticks ... Zeer mooi en allemaal o (nul) kbyte groot :-)
snelle service... Mooi gepresenteerd

On Thursday, May 19, 2011, Ward De Ridder  wrote:
> Zo werkt dat niet..
> Als ze dat al willen doen dan zal je 1 exemplaar van goede kwaliteit krijgen, 
> zegt nog altijd niets over wat je voor de rest gaat krijgen.
>
> Ward
>
> Op 19 mei 2011 15:40 schreef wouter Vandenneucker  
> het volgende:
>
>
>
>
>
> We kunnen wel vragen of ze ons een stick willen opsturen als 'evaluation 
> article' .Kunnen we die eens stresstesten en dan weten we meteen welk vlees 
> we in de kuip hebben..
> grts
>
>
> Wouter
> Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 15:36:20 +0200
> From: ste...@leeman.be
> To: ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded
>
> 2011/5/19 Ward De Ridder 
>
> Ik lees ineens mijn naam :D
> Ik kan altijd een paar contacten aanspreken, want in china is het beter om 
> niet van de eerste de beste te kopen, dan heb je misschien voor €200 100 
> usb-sticks die na 2 keer schrijven kapot zijn.
>
>
> een bekende klucht is ook dat ze identifieren als 4gbyte maar als je er een 
> iso file wilt opzetten van 2gigabyte het na 1gigabyte al "disc full" geeft...
>
>
> de meesten van die bedrijfjes hier werken ook met china maar hebben alvast 
> toch een zekere SLA afgesproken dat ze zeker niet het "afval" dat niet door 
> Quality Controll geraakte doorverkopen aan ebay-mensen :-)
>
>
>
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded

2011-05-19 Thread Ward De Ridder 
Zo werkt dat niet..
Als ze dat al willen doen dan zal je 1 exemplaar van goede kwaliteit
krijgen, zegt nog altijd niets over wat je voor de rest gaat krijgen.

Ward

Op 19 mei 2011 15:40 schreef wouter Vandenneucker
het volgende:

>  We kunnen wel vragen of ze ons een stick willen opsturen als 'evaluation
> article' .
> Kunnen we die eens stresstesten en dan weten we meteen welk vlees we in de
> kuip hebben..
>
> grts
>
>
> Wouter
>
> --
> Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 15:36:20 +0200
>
> From: ste...@leeman.be
> To: ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded
>
> 2011/5/19 Ward De Ridder 
>
> Ik lees ineens mijn naam :D
> Ik kan altijd een paar contacten aanspreken, want in china is het beter om
> niet van de eerste de beste te kopen, dan heb je misschien voor €200 100
> usb-sticks die na 2 keer schrijven kapot zijn.
>
>
> een bekende klucht is ook dat ze identifieren als 4gbyte maar als je er een
> iso file wilt opzetten van 2gigabyte het na 1gigabyte al "disc full"
> geeft...
>
> de meesten van die bedrijfjes hier werken ook met china maar hebben alvast
> toch een zekere SLA afgesproken dat ze zeker niet het "afval" dat niet door
> Quality Controll geraakte doorverkopen aan ebay-mensen :-)
>
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded --- the essential message

2011-05-19 Thread Steven Leeman 
>
> Got some mail from this company a while ago:
>
> http://www.venditio.nl/offerte-aanvragen/usb-sticks-offerte/usb-stick-budget-star/
> would 2gb be enough?
>
>
hoe duur waren zij?
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded --- the essential message

2011-05-19 Thread linux-service.be 
Op donderdag 19 mei 2011 11:55:13 schreef Steven Leeman:
> what do you want to test?
> it works...I tested it :-) damn thing boots if you don't have an too old
> device that still requires you to press F12; choose "usb-zip" or
> something...
> 
> in the faq I quoted from earlier it's mentioned that they don't have a
> reduced price for large quantities...you could only have a discount on
> "shipping"...which is what's being used for certain articles to fosdem in
> the past ?
> 
> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 11:05 AM, martijn cielen  wrote:
> > Has anyone considered asking Canonical for a severely reduced price
> > when we order eg 250 sticks?
> > That would at least save us a the hassle of testing/...
Got some mail from this company a while ago:
http://www.venditio.nl/offerte-aanvragen/usb-sticks-offerte/usb-stick-budget-star/
would 2gb be enough?

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Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded --- the essential message

2011-05-19 Thread wouter Vandenneucker 

I said: "IMO we'll have people who will have a computer that boots any stick or 
no stick at all."that is an example of a computer  that won't boot any stick..

Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 15:40:07 +0200
From: ste...@leeman.be
To: ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded --- the essential  
message

On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 3:36 PM, wouter Vandenneucker  
wrote:






honestly I don't think we'll encounter a stick that doesn't work.IMO we'll have 
people who will have a computer that boots any stick or no stick at all.(You'll 
have to be damn good finding a usb stick that isn't able to store a boot image)


you want to try on a Pentium 133mhz that can't even boot from cdrom?


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Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded

2011-05-19 Thread wouter Vandenneucker 

We kunnen wel vragen of ze ons een stick willen opsturen als 'evaluation 
article' .Kunnen we die eens stresstesten en dan weten we meteen welk vlees we 
in de kuip hebben..
grts

Wouter
Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 15:36:20 +0200
From: ste...@leeman.be
To: ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded

2011/5/19 Ward De Ridder 

Ik lees ineens mijn naam :D
Ik kan altijd een paar contacten aanspreken, want in china is het beter om niet 
van de eerste de beste te kopen, dan heb je misschien voor €200 100 usb-sticks 
die na 2 keer schrijven kapot zijn.




een bekende klucht is ook dat ze identifieren als 4gbyte maar als je er een iso 
file wilt opzetten van 2gigabyte het na 1gigabyte al "disc full" geeft...

de meesten van die bedrijfjes hier werken ook met china maar hebben alvast toch 
een zekere SLA afgesproken dat ze zeker niet het "afval" dat niet door Quality 
Controll geraakte doorverkopen aan ebay-mensen :-)



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Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded --- the essential message

2011-05-19 Thread Steven Leeman 
On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 3:36 PM, wouter Vandenneucker <
wouterv...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>  honestly I don't think we'll encounter a stick that doesn't work.
> IMO we'll have people who will have a computer that boots any stick or no
> stick at all.
> (You'll have to be damn good finding a usb stick that isn't able to store a
> boot image)
>

you want to try on a Pentium 133mhz that can't even boot from cdrom?
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded --- the essential message

2011-05-19 Thread wouter Vandenneucker 

honestly I don't think we'll encounter a stick that doesn't work.IMO we'll have 
people who will have a computer that boots any stick or no stick at all.(You'll 
have to be damn good finding a usb stick that isn't able to store a boot image)

From: jbongae...@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 13:36:42 +0200
To: ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded --- the essential  
message

Problem with this compatibility list is that some manufacturers use different 
suppliers for their electronic components in order to reduce dependency from 
one supplier.
That means you sometimes get two exactly identical models, but from a different 
batch, that has something exotic inside and all of a sudden it doesn't work.



But for our stick (and anything else computer related we sell) we could always 
offer a money back guarantee, if we feel that this is necessary.

Cheers,
Jan.

On 19 May 2011 13:29, wouter Vandenneucker  wrote:







@etienne:for a list with ubuntu compatible hardware you can take a look 
at:http://webapps.ubuntu.com/marketplace/europe/

It lists a number of shops in belgium that sell hardware (and software) that is 
compatible with ubuntu.
grts

Wouter



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Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded

2011-05-19 Thread Steven Leeman 
2011/5/19 Ward De Ridder 

> Ik lees ineens mijn naam :D
> Ik kan altijd een paar contacten aanspreken, want in china is het beter om
> niet van de eerste de beste te kopen, dan heb je misschien voor €200 100
> usb-sticks die na 2 keer schrijven kapot zijn.
>
>
een bekende klucht is ook dat ze identifieren als 4gbyte maar als je er een
iso file wilt opzetten van 2gigabyte het na 1gigabyte al "disc full"
geeft...

de meesten van die bedrijfjes hier werken ook met china maar hebben alvast
toch een zekere SLA afgesproken dat ze zeker niet het "afval" dat niet door
Quality Controll geraakte doorverkopen aan ebay-mensen :-)
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded

2011-05-19 Thread Ward De Ridder 
Ik lees ineens mijn naam :D
Ik kan altijd een paar contacten aanspreken, want in china is het beter om
niet van de eerste de beste te kopen, dan heb je misschien voor €200 100
usb-sticks die na 2 keer schrijven kapot zijn.

Ward

Op 18 mei 2011 23:02 schreef wouter Vandenneucker
het volgende:

>  misschien kan warddr eens kijken hoeveel ze er in china voor vragen.
> (Hij heeft ervaring met massa aankoop uit China) (T is een vak appart :p)
>
> en ja, de wiki zonder trouble, het is een droom voor iedereen..
>
> --
> Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 22:58:27 +0200
>
> From: ste...@leeman.be
> To: ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded
>
> ja ik heb ze op de wiki gezet...
> het is niet opportuun om attachments te versturen per mailinglist (max size
> enzo)
> ook worden die niet in het archief opgenomen
> ook kan er makkellijker ingespeeld worden op de wiki (en heb ik weer kunnen
> vechten met "moinmoin"...grunch)
>
> 2011/5/18 wouter Vandenneucker 
>
>  die pdf's komen er bij mij precies niet door.. of bedoel je die op de
> wiki?
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/PromotionMaterial/ProposalsGoodies2011
>
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded --- the essential message

2011-05-19 Thread Jan Bongaerts 
Problem with this compatibility list is that some manufacturers use
different suppliers for their electronic components in order to reduce
dependency from one supplier.
That means you sometimes get two exactly identical models, but from a
different batch, that has something exotic inside and all of a sudden it
doesn't work.

But for our stick (and anything else computer related we sell) we could
always offer a money back guarantee, if we feel that this is necessary.

Cheers,
Jan.

On 19 May 2011 13:29, wouter Vandenneucker  wrote:

>  @etienne:
> for a list with ubuntu compatible hardware you can take a look at:
> http://webapps.ubuntu.com/marketplace/europe/
> It lists a number of shops in belgium that sell hardware (and software)
> that is compatible with ubuntu.
>
> grts
>
>
> Wouter
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded --- the essential message

2011-05-19 Thread wouter Vandenneucker 

@etienne:for a list with ubuntu compatible hardware you can take a look 
at:http://webapps.ubuntu.com/marketplace/europe/It lists a number of shops in 
belgium that sell hardware (and software) that is compatible with ubuntu.
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded --- the essential message

2011-05-19 Thread martijn cielen 
That's the official version, they might have another version if you
know the right people ;-)
Remember they stopped accepting special orders (multiple cd's) at
shipit (before they completely stopped shipit)? I mailed them,
explaining I was a support point and handed out quite a lot of cd's.
Got 30 without a problem.

On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 11:55 AM, Steven Leeman  wrote:
> what do you want to test?
> it works...I tested it :-) damn thing boots if you don't have an too old
> device that still requires you to press F12; choose "usb-zip" or
> something...
> in the faq I quoted from earlier it's mentioned that they don't have a
> reduced price for large quantities...you could only have a discount on
> "shipping"...which is what's being used for certain articles to fosdem in
> the past ?
>
> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 11:05 AM, martijn cielen  wrote:
>>
>> Has anyone considered asking Canonical for a severely reduced price
>> when we order eg 250 sticks?
>> That would at least save us a the hassle of testing/...
>>
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded --- the essential message

2011-05-19 Thread Steven Leeman 
>
> In practice in an exhibition many people do not have an own USB stick at
> hand and there could be too many demands waiting for copies at the same
> time.
>

at the HCC events you will probably be able to buy a usb stick for cheap...
it takes <1 minute to "copy" it...
eg 5-8 euro for a 4gbyte stick is a "regular" price in comparison the
ubuntu price for such is >20 euro...


> In that case most people will have no problem buying a new pre-loaded
> key becoming their property and being reusable later.
> This at a moderate but realistic price and including something for the
> service of the preparation of the key.
>
> Excellent if a bvba propose to manage such a service.
> Moreover if 100 USB keys need to be ordered at once, I am willing to
> participate in the investment.
>

> A little story:  some years ago at the end of an open source conference
> in Germany a friend was selling a lot of of home-made CD at 5 €uros !
>

Germans tend to start very professional...he probably bought a whole
duplication unit, special paper & boxes & special color laser printer,
special cd's for thermal printing... calculated the time spend... and then
the total sum was probably 5 euro... that's when you go for "professional"
on your own...

if you ask a 3rd party to create the cd/usb you dont' have to invest in the
"production" material... only in the item itself...and only a small part
will be in the shipping, preparation and time spend... as it's spread on
lot's of different projects/orders not just this single endeavour...


 ( 2 ) HARDWARE COMPATIBILITY ISSUES:

> 
> As it is today, buying equipment is a lottery !
> I have several incompatible equipments in my garage and not enough time
> nor experience to try to seek exotic drivers.
> All vendors I could ask, do not want to say anything about Ubuntu and do
> not even accept a test with an Ubuntu stick.
>
> I see a critical need for shops where the proposed hardware have been
> tested about Ubuntu compatibility.
> This at normal market price, the added value being here to avoid the
> risk to have to throw away unusable equipments.
>
>
>
on most HCC events there is a "testing bank" where you can test your just
bought equipment if that 4gb stick isn't really a 1gb stick for instance...
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded --- the essential message

2011-05-19 Thread Steven Leeman 
what do you want to test?
it works...I tested it :-) damn thing boots if you don't have an too old
device that still requires you to press F12; choose "usb-zip" or
something...

in the faq I quoted from earlier it's mentioned that they don't have a
reduced price for large quantities...you could only have a discount on
"shipping"...which is what's being used for certain articles to fosdem in
the past ?

On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 11:05 AM, martijn cielen  wrote:

> Has anyone considered asking Canonical for a severely reduced price
> when we order eg 250 sticks?
> That would at least save us a the hassle of testing/...
>
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded --- the essential message

2011-05-19 Thread martijn cielen 
Has anyone considered asking Canonical for a severely reduced price
when we order eg 250 sticks?
That would at least save us a the hassle of testing/...

On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Etienne Saliez  wrote:
>
> ( 1 )  UBUNTU USB STICK:
> 
> An excellent idea and the essential message is
> ===
> "Ubuntu is free". "Bring your own USB stick and we will provide a free
> copy, the time of drinking a coffee".
> ===
>
> In practice in an exhibition many people do not have an own USB stick at
> hand and there could be too many demands waiting for copies at the same
> time.
> In that case most people will have no problem buying a new pre-loaded
> key becoming their property and being reusable later.
> This at a moderate but realistic price and including something for the
> service of the preparation of the key.
>
> Excellent if a bvba propose to manage such a service.
> Moreover if 100 USB keys need to be ordered at once, I am willing to
> participate in the investment.
>
> A little story:  some years ago at the end of an open source conference
> in Germany a friend was selling a lot of of home-made CD at 5 €uros !
>
>
> ( 2 ) HARDWARE COMPATIBILITY ISSUES:
> 
> As it is today, buying equipment is a lottery !
> I have several incompatible equipments in my garage and not enough time
> nor experience to try to seek exotic drivers.
> All vendors I could ask, do not want to say anything about Ubuntu and do
> not even accept a test with an Ubuntu stick.
>
> I see a critical need for shops where the proposed hardware have been
> tested about Ubuntu compatibility.
> This at normal market price, the added value being here to avoid the
> risk to have to throw away unusable equipments.
>
>
> ( 3 ) LEGAL STATUS ?
> ---
> I see the need of 2 types of organizations having different roles:
>
> ( 3.A ) A not for profit association:
> A more visible status for the volunteers currently promoting Ubuntu in
> Belgium.
> If possible on a broader scale, as a participation in an international
> non profit association.
> Have a look at IVZW or AISBL, e.i. an extension of the Belgian law
> providing more flexibility for international associations, the members
> do not need to have the Belgian nationality.
> Basic requirements are limited to a postal address in Belgium and a
> yearly report showing that the activities are indeed non profit.
>
> ( 3.B ) Commercial services support:
> Management of equipment distribution and paid support services.
>
>
>
> Etienne Saliez
>
>
>
> On Wed, 2011-05-18 at 23:02 +0200, wouter Vandenneucker wrote:
>> misschien kan warddr eens kijken hoeveel ze er in china voor vragen.
>> (Hij heeft ervaring met massa aankoop uit China) (T is een vak
>> appart :p)
>>
>>
>> en ja, de wiki zonder trouble, het is een droom voor iedereen..
>>
>>
>> __
>> Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 22:58:27 +0200
>> From: ste...@leeman.be
>> To: ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com
>> Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded
>>
>> ja ik heb ze op de wiki gezet...
>> het is niet opportuun om attachments te versturen per mailinglist (max
>> size enzo)
>> ook worden die niet in het archief opgenomen
>> ook kan er makkellijker ingespeeld worden op de wiki (en heb ik weer
>> kunnen vechten met "moinmoin"...grunch)
>>
>> 2011/5/18 wouter Vandenneucker 
>>         die pdf's komen er bij mij precies niet door.. of bedoel je
>>         die op de wiki?
>>         
>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/PromotionMaterial/ProposalsGoodies2011
>>
>>
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded --- the essential message

2011-05-19 Thread Etienne Saliez 

( 1 )  UBUNTU USB STICK:

An excellent idea and the essential message is 
===
"Ubuntu is free". "Bring your own USB stick and we will provide a free
copy, the time of drinking a coffee".
===

In practice in an exhibition many people do not have an own USB stick at
hand and there could be too many demands waiting for copies at the same
time.
In that case most people will have no problem buying a new pre-loaded
key becoming their property and being reusable later.
This at a moderate but realistic price and including something for the
service of the preparation of the key.

Excellent if a bvba propose to manage such a service.
Moreover if 100 USB keys need to be ordered at once, I am willing to
participate in the investment.

A little story:  some years ago at the end of an open source conference
in Germany a friend was selling a lot of of home-made CD at 5 €uros !


( 2 ) HARDWARE COMPATIBILITY ISSUES:

As it is today, buying equipment is a lottery !
I have several incompatible equipments in my garage and not enough time
nor experience to try to seek exotic drivers.
All vendors I could ask, do not want to say anything about Ubuntu and do
not even accept a test with an Ubuntu stick.

I see a critical need for shops where the proposed hardware have been
tested about Ubuntu compatibility.
This at normal market price, the added value being here to avoid the
risk to have to throw away unusable equipments.


( 3 ) LEGAL STATUS ?
---
I see the need of 2 types of organizations having different roles:

( 3.A ) A not for profit association:
A more visible status for the volunteers currently promoting Ubuntu in
Belgium.
If possible on a broader scale, as a participation in an international
non profit association.
Have a look at IVZW or AISBL, e.i. an extension of the Belgian law
providing more flexibility for international associations, the members
do not need to have the Belgian nationality.  
Basic requirements are limited to a postal address in Belgium and a
yearly report showing that the activities are indeed non profit.

( 3.B ) Commercial services support:
Management of equipment distribution and paid support services.



Etienne Saliez



On Wed, 2011-05-18 at 23:02 +0200, wouter Vandenneucker wrote:
> misschien kan warddr eens kijken hoeveel ze er in china voor vragen.
> (Hij heeft ervaring met massa aankoop uit China) (T is een vak
> appart :p)
> 
> 
> en ja, de wiki zonder trouble, het is een droom voor iedereen..
> 
> 
> __
> Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 22:58:27 +0200
> From: ste...@leeman.be
> To: ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded
> 
> ja ik heb ze op de wiki gezet...
> het is niet opportuun om attachments te versturen per mailinglist (max
> size enzo)
> ook worden die niet in het archief opgenomen
> ook kan er makkellijker ingespeeld worden op de wiki (en heb ik weer
> kunnen vechten met "moinmoin"...grunch)
> 
> 2011/5/18 wouter Vandenneucker 
> die pdf's komen er bij mij precies niet door.. of bedoel je
> die op de wiki?
> 
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/PromotionMaterial/ProposalsGoodies2011
> 
> 
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded

2011-05-19 Thread Jan Bongaerts 
I guess with all these plans of merchandising, we'll need a vzw quite
desperately.
Council members, get to work!
Sofort! SCHNELLER! (cracking whip)
;-)

On 19 May 2011 10:22, wouter Vandenneucker  wrote:

>  if we're gonna sell mugs we need to do it the good way, not vista print
> way..
> I guess we could try to become an 'ubuntu market place' (like an ubuntu
> partner but with less musts)
> http://webapps.ubuntu.com/marketplace/
>
> there are a couple of them who do merchandising..
>
> grts
>
>
> Wouter
> --
> Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 10:14:45 +0200
> From: ste...@leeman.be
>
> To: ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 9:57 AM, martijn cielen  wrote:
>
> Even better would be to have some people start Canonical Belgium ofcourse
> ;-)
> (I'd apply for a job there immediately)
>
> But seen the negative faq item, I guess we're stuck with overpriced
> shipping. Guess we could revive the idea of "samenkoop" I launched a
> while ago, if we find a decent way to manage this.
>
>
> this is the "ubuntu-fr" shop...
> they ask 19 euro for a 4gbyte usb key :
> http://framakey.org/Pack/Framakey-Ubuntu
> http://enventelibre.org/ubuntufr
>
> you can create "mugs" with vistaprint...
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded

2011-05-19 Thread martijn cielen 
That's one idea. If we choose that path, I think the vzw should be
more than just ubuntu loco, eg "vzw for promotion and support of
ubuntu in belgium".

btw,

I'm playing with the idea of starting independant Ubuntu courses
somewhere in the next years (after our *huge* renovation works are
done). So a close collaboration with ubuntu-be will benefit both of
us.

kr,

M

On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 10:22 AM, wouter Vandenneucker
 wrote:
> if we're gonna sell mugs we need to do it the good way, not vista print
> way..
> I guess we could try to become an 'ubuntu market place' (like an ubuntu
> partner but with less musts)
> http://webapps.ubuntu.com/marketplace/
>
> there are a couple of them who do merchandising..
>
> grts
>
>
> Wouter
> 
> Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 10:14:45 +0200
> From: ste...@leeman.be
> To: ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 9:57 AM, martijn cielen  wrote:
>
> Even better would be to have some people start Canonical Belgium ofcourse
> ;-)
> (I'd apply for a job there immediately)
>
> But seen the negative faq item, I guess we're stuck with overpriced
> shipping. Guess we could revive the idea of "samenkoop" I launched a
> while ago, if we find a decent way to manage this.
>
>
> this is the "ubuntu-fr" shop...
> they ask 19 euro for a 4gbyte usb key
> : http://framakey.org/Pack/Framakey-Ubuntu
> http://enventelibre.org/ubuntufr
> you can create "mugs" with vistaprint...
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded

2011-05-19 Thread wouter Vandenneucker 

if we're gonna sell mugs we need to do it the good way, not vista print way..
I guess we could try to become an 'ubuntu market place' (like an ubuntu partner 
but with less musts)
http://webapps.ubuntu.com/marketplace/

there are a couple of them who do merchandising..

grts


Wouter
Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 10:14:45 +0200
From: ste...@leeman.be
To: ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded



On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 9:57 AM, martijn cielen  wrote:

Even better would be to have some people start Canonical Belgium ofcourse ;-)

(I'd apply for a job there immediately)



But seen the negative faq item, I guess we're stuck with overpriced

shipping. Guess we could revive the idea of "samenkoop" I launched a

while ago, if we find a decent way to manage this.


this is the "ubuntu-fr" shop...they ask 19 euro for a 4gbyte usb key : 
http://framakey.org/Pack/Framakey-Ubuntu
http://enventelibre.org/ubuntufr 
you can create "mugs" with vistaprint...


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Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded

2011-05-19 Thread Steven Leeman 
On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 9:57 AM, martijn cielen  wrote:

> Even better would be to have some people start Canonical Belgium ofcourse
> ;-)
> (I'd apply for a job there immediately)
>
> But seen the negative faq item, I guess we're stuck with overpriced
> shipping. Guess we could revive the idea of "samenkoop" I launched a
> while ago, if we find a decent way to manage this.
>
>
this is the "ubuntu-fr" shop...
they ask 19 euro for a 4gbyte usb key :
http://framakey.org/Pack/Framakey-Ubuntu
http://enventelibre.org/ubuntufr

you can create "mugs" with vistaprint...
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Dell Poweredge 1850

2011-05-19 Thread martijn cielen 
Since no-one stepped forward to exchange the server for an Arduino,
I'm donating the server as is to ubuntu-be.
Do you guys think a t-shirt could come my way in return? ;-)

kindest regards,

Martijn

On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 11:02 AM,   wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> hackerspaces are by definition very open minded.
> If it's open, you're welcome :)
>
> In Brussels, as a general rule Tuesday night there is a weekly meeting -
> open for everyone too.
> For the other sites, just have a look on their wiki.
> If you go over, please say "Hi!" from me.
> I'm pretty sure you'll enjoy it!
>
> Grtz,
> Jurgen
>
> - Originele e-mail -
> Van: "wouter Vandenneucker" 
> Aan: ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com
> Verzonden: Donderdag 5 mei 2011 09:54:59 GMT +01:00 Amsterdam / Berlijn /
> Bern / Rome / Stockholm / Wenen
> Onderwerp: Re: [Ubuntu-be] Dell Poweredge 1850
>
> Hi everyone
>
>
>
> @Martijn, great choice on the arduino. An open platform with tons of active
> people in the community. I'm currently building an 8x8x8 LED cube and I use
> my arduino as long as it's in dev. stage.
> @Jurgen: can you just drop in at the hackerspaces? I study in Hasselt so
> there isn't one close anyway, but I'd love to take a look in a hackerspace
> someday in the near future.
>
>
> as for the dell poweredge, I might also have an scsi drive laying around
> somewhere. I'll look for this afternoon.
>
>
> grts
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Wouter
>
>
>
>> Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 06:53:09 +0200
>> From: jurgen.gaere...@pandora.be
>> To: ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com
>> Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-be] Dell Poweredge 1850
>>
>> On 05/03/2011 07:37 AM, martijn cielen wrote:
>> > Hi list,
>> >
>> > I still have a Dell Poweredge 1850 gathering dust.
>> > It comes without disks and memory (due to employer's regulations).
>> > I'd like to change it against an Arduino board + starter kit.
>> > It could be used to demonstrate ubuntu server, so if really nobody
>> > wants it, I might donate it to ubuntu-be.
>> >
>> > kindest regards,
>> >
>> > Martijn
>> >
>>
>> Hey Martijn,
>>
>> I won't talk about the Dell Poweredge server, but if you're into
>> Arduino, I would really like to suggest you to have a look at the
>> Hackerspaces in Belgium:
>>
>> Brussels: HSBXL: www.hackerspace.be
>> Antwerp: VoidWarranties: we.voidwarranties.be
>> Ghent: Whitespace: www.0x20.be
>> Charleroi: Wolfplex : www.wolfplex.org
>>
>> If I heard correctly, there's a few people starting of launching a
>> Hackerspace in Brugge too. Don't know too much details about that one
>> yet, but if relevant, I can get you in touch.
>>
>> Grtz,
>> Jurgen.
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded

2011-05-19 Thread martijn cielen 
Even better would be to have some people start Canonical Belgium ofcourse ;-)
(I'd apply for a job there immediately)

But seen the negative faq item, I guess we're stuck with overpriced
shipping. Guess we could revive the idea of "samenkoop" I launched a
while ago, if we find a decent way to manage this.

On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 9:54 AM, wouter Vandenneucker
 wrote:
> I doubt canonical will let a loco as Ubuntu-be manage this..
> Ubuntu-fr is way bigger and has a decent structure as well.
> Nevertheless we could ask for that, it would make some things cheaper to
> distribute etc..
>
> grts
>
>
> Wouter
>
>> Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 09:13:21 +0200
>> From: mcie...@gmail.com
>> To: ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com
>> Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded
>>
>> We could offer them for a symbolic price (eg € 2), this will imho
>> prevent people from just grabbing one and putting it in a drawer never
>> to come out again, as they paid for it. On the other hand they don't
>> have the feeling it has cost them an arm and a leg.
>>
>> On a side note: when becoming a vzw, can't we talk to Canonical to let
>> Ubuntu-be offer an Ubuntu store on European main continent? If we
>> distribute resources and stock, this should be feasible without huge
>> investments. Just an idea.
>>
>> On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 8:19 PM, Steven Leeman  wrote:
>> > I wouldn't offer them for free imho?
>> > unless you can find such a sponsor?
>> > Flemish gouvernment with an "edubuntu" release? :-)
>> >
>> > On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 6:32 PM, martijn cielen 
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> The problem of offering the sticks for free could be solved by asking
>> >> sponsorship from a non-profit or an open source minded company
>> >>
>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >> On 18-mei-2011, at 17:57, Jan Bongaerts  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Some more advantages:
>> >>  It is also timeless for us a supplier. You load them with the newest
>> >> version. No risk of stock becoming obsolete, except if the capacity
>> >> becomes
>> >> outdated. Which is why I'd opt for the 4Gb version.
>> >>
>> >> It is easier to load a usb stick than to burn a CD. I think it might be
>> >> quicker too.
>> >>
>> >> Main disadvantage: We would not be able to offer them for free, unlike
>> >> the
>> >> CD. We would have to charge money.
>> >>
>> >> A vzw would indeed be a good idea, but if it is decided to move ahead
>> >> before the vzw is established, I might be able to help.
>> >> If a company is needed to operate this venture, I am willing to offer
>> >> the
>> >> usage of my bvba.
>> >>
>> >> Cheers,
>> >> Jan.
>> >>
>> >> On 18 May 2011 17:36, wouter Vandenneucker 
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hey Steven
>> >>> Personally I like the idea. I mentioned it once to warddr IIRC. But I
>> >>> think it is something that might require us to be a VZW.
>> >>> Nevertheless, I'd like to discuss it. Therefor I propose you put the
>> >>> idea
>> >>>
>> >>> on: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/PromotionMaterial/ProposalsGoodies2011
>> >>> I'll also add it as a point to discuss on the next IRC meeting
>> >>> (26/05/2011). Feel free to discus it there as well.
>> >>> I think that a USB-stick has multiple upsides. A quick list of those I
>> >>> can think of right now (together with the benefits steven described):
>> >>> - More durable than a CD
>> >>> - More valuable (less chance they just install it and than ditch it)
>> >>> - Can be updated
>> >>> - You'll be able to use it as a normal USB stick afterwards (if you
>> >>> like)
>> >>> - People who use it as a personal data stick are generally advertising
>> >>> for us. (Free Publicity)
>> >>> - Also works for Netbook owners
>> >>> - Really awesome goodie.
>> >>> - Gives an extra chance to promote our Localized version of Ubuntu
>> >>> (once
>> >>> we finally create it..)
>> >>> grts
>> >>>
>> >>> Wouter
>> >>> PS: For those who don't speak dutch, I translated Stevens mail below.
>> >>> 
>> >>> On Wed, 18 May 2011 13:08:34 +0200 ste...@leeman.be wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi,
>> >>> Last month I got this question via the supportpoint network asking me
>> >>> if
>> >>> I could deliver "ubuntu" on a USB stick and send it to France.
>> >>> No problem... in 123 the last version of ubuntu in "Dutch" sent on a
>> >>> 1GB
>> >>> stick in an envelope straight to Cote D'Azur to a Belgian citizen who
>> >>> overwintered... I already received some beautiful printscreens...
>> >>> Gained
>> >>> another Ubuntero.
>> >>> I've watched out for "preloaded" ubuntu sticks...
>> >>> I believe that "Ubuntu-fr" had some on Fosdem...
>> >>> Via the Canonical shop they cost more than 28 euros for a 4GB stick...
>> >>> http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=874
>> >>> 4gbyte usb stick
>> >>> 20,36 euro + 7,51 euro transport
>> >>> I've contacted the first USB supplier I could find and he gave me
>> >>> following prices:
>> >>> model "Usb Incentive"
>> >>>
>> >>> : http://www.usbstick-producent.nl/nl/usbstick/information/132/usb-s

Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded

2011-05-19 Thread wouter Vandenneucker 

I doubt canonical will let a loco as Ubuntu-be manage this..
Ubuntu-fr is way bigger and has a decent structure as well.
Nevertheless we could ask for that, it would make some things cheaper to 
distribute etc..

grts


Wouter

> Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 09:13:21 +0200
> From: mcie...@gmail.com
> To: ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded
> 
> We could offer them for a symbolic price (eg € 2), this will imho
> prevent people from just grabbing one and putting it in a drawer never
> to come out again, as they paid for it. On the other hand they don't
> have the feeling it has cost them an arm and a leg.
> 
> On a side note: when becoming a vzw, can't we talk to Canonical to let
> Ubuntu-be offer an Ubuntu store on European main continent? If we
> distribute resources and stock, this should be feasible without huge
> investments. Just an idea.
> 
> On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 8:19 PM, Steven Leeman  wrote:
> > I wouldn't offer them for free imho?
> > unless you can find such a sponsor?
> > Flemish gouvernment with an "edubuntu" release? :-)
> >
> > On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 6:32 PM, martijn cielen  wrote:
> >>
> >> The problem of offering the sticks for free could be solved by asking
> >> sponsorship from a non-profit or an open source minded company
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> On 18-mei-2011, at 17:57, Jan Bongaerts  wrote:
> >>
> >> Some more advantages:
> >>  It is also timeless for us a supplier. You load them with the newest
> >> version. No risk of stock becoming obsolete, except if the capacity becomes
> >> outdated. Which is why I'd opt for the 4Gb version.
> >>
> >> It is easier to load a usb stick than to burn a CD. I think it might be
> >> quicker too.
> >>
> >> Main disadvantage: We would not be able to offer them for free, unlike the
> >> CD. We would have to charge money.
> >>
> >> A vzw would indeed be a good idea, but if it is decided to move ahead
> >> before the vzw is established, I might be able to help.
> >> If a company is needed to operate this venture, I am willing to offer the
> >> usage of my bvba.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Jan.
> >>
> >> On 18 May 2011 17:36, wouter Vandenneucker  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hey Steven
> >>> Personally I like the idea. I mentioned it once to warddr IIRC. But I
> >>> think it is something that might require us to be a VZW.
> >>> Nevertheless, I'd like to discuss it. Therefor I propose you put the idea
> >>> on: 
> >>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/PromotionMaterial/ProposalsGoodies2011
> >>> I'll also add it as a point to discuss on the next IRC meeting
> >>> (26/05/2011). Feel free to discus it there as well.
> >>> I think that a USB-stick has multiple upsides. A quick list of those I
> >>> can think of right now (together with the benefits steven described):
> >>> - More durable than a CD
> >>> - More valuable (less chance they just install it and than ditch it)
> >>> - Can be updated
> >>> - You'll be able to use it as a normal USB stick afterwards (if you like)
> >>> - People who use it as a personal data stick are generally advertising
> >>> for us. (Free Publicity)
> >>> - Also works for Netbook owners
> >>> - Really awesome goodie.
> >>> - Gives an extra chance to promote our Localized version of Ubuntu (once
> >>> we finally create it..)
> >>> grts
> >>>
> >>> Wouter
> >>> PS: For those who don't speak dutch, I translated Stevens mail below.
> >>> 
> >>> On Wed, 18 May 2011 13:08:34 +0200 ste...@leeman.be wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>> Last month I got this question via the supportpoint network asking me if
> >>> I could deliver "ubuntu" on a USB stick and send it to France.
> >>> No problem... in 123 the last version of ubuntu in "Dutch" sent on a 1GB
> >>> stick in an envelope straight to Cote D'Azur to a Belgian citizen who
> >>> overwintered... I already received some beautiful printscreens... Gained
> >>> another Ubuntero.
> >>> I've watched out for "preloaded" ubuntu sticks...
> >>> I believe that "Ubuntu-fr" had some on Fosdem...
> >>> Via the Canonical shop they cost more than 28 euros for a 4GB stick...
> >>> http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=874
> >>> 4gbyte usb stick
> >>> 20,36 euro + 7,51 euro transport
> >>> I've contacted the first USB supplier I could find and he gave me
> >>> following prices:
> >>> model "Usb Incentive"
> >>> : 
> >>> http://www.usbstick-producent.nl/nl/usbstick/information/132/usb-stick-incentive-zilver.html
> >>> 4 GB 2.0 -> Like Canonical sells them
> >>> Price/piece: €7,66
> >>> Logo Print: €0,10
> >>> Transport (China): €20,-
> >>> Total for 100 pieces: €796,- (excl. BTW)
> >>> 1 GB 2.0  -> Minimum size for an Ubuntu Live CD...Has 300MB spare for
> >>> extra's (NL Language for instance.. or some extra programs?)
> >>> Price/piece €5,26
> >>> Logo Print: €0,10
> >>> Transport (China): €20,-
> >>> Total for 100 pieces: €526,- (excl. BTW)
> >>> The minimum amount is 100 pieces, so I gave the targetprice for 100 USB

Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded

2011-05-19 Thread Steven Leeman 
On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 9:13 AM, martijn cielen  wrote:

> We could offer them for a symbolic price (eg € 2), this will imho
> prevent people from just grabbing one and putting it in a drawer never
> to come out again, as they paid for it. On the other hand they don't
> have the feeling it has cost them an arm and a leg.
>

just make sure that ubuntu-be stays financial healthy ... although an usb
stick doesn't loose much of it's value it's an attack on your liquidity


> On a side note: when becoming a vzw, can't we talk to Canonical to let
> Ubuntu-be offer an Ubuntu store on European main continent? If we
> distribute resources and stock, this should be feasible without huge
> investments. Just an idea.
>

Ubuntu has allready a (negative) answer for that in their faq:
*
*
*Q. I would like to be a reseller of Ubuntu merchandise.*
A. The Canonical store is built to cope with worldwide shipping
requirements, therefore *we are not seeking local resellers in markets at
this point*. We would be very happy if you were to point your customers to
the Canonical store if they are looking for Ubuntu merchandise. *We cannot
supply you with bulk items at a discount – unfortunately there are no
exceptions to this.*

*Q. How do I become an official Ubuntu CD Distributor?*
A. Our CD Distributor programme is open to registered businesses that have
the facilities in place to sell official Ubuntu CDs from their website to
end users. If you feel that you meet these criteria and would like to become
an authorised distributor of Ubuntu CDs, please fill out this application
form .


>
> On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 8:19 PM, Steven Leeman  wrote:
> > I wouldn't offer them for free imho?
> > unless you can find such a sponsor?
> > Flemish gouvernment with an "edubuntu" release? :-)
> >
> > On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 6:32 PM, martijn cielen 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> The problem of offering the sticks for free could be solved by asking
> >> sponsorship from a non-profit or an open source minded company
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> On 18-mei-2011, at 17:57, Jan Bongaerts  wrote:
> >>
> >> Some more advantages:
> >>  It is also timeless for us a supplier. You load them with the newest
> >> version. No risk of stock becoming obsolete, except if the capacity
> becomes
> >> outdated. Which is why I'd opt for the 4Gb version.
> >>
> >> It is easier to load a usb stick than to burn a CD. I think it might be
> >> quicker too.
> >>
> >> Main disadvantage: We would not be able to offer them for free, unlike
> the
> >> CD. We would have to charge money.
> >>
> >> A vzw would indeed be a good idea, but if it is decided to move ahead
> >> before the vzw is established, I might be able to help.
> >> If a company is needed to operate this venture, I am willing to offer
> the
> >> usage of my bvba.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Jan.
> >>
> >> On 18 May 2011 17:36, wouter Vandenneucker 
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hey Steven
> >>> Personally I like the idea. I mentioned it once to warddr IIRC. But I
> >>> think it is something that might require us to be a VZW.
> >>> Nevertheless, I'd like to discuss it. Therefor I propose you put the
> idea
> >>> on:
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/PromotionMaterial/ProposalsGoodies2011
> >>> I'll also add it as a point to discuss on the next IRC meeting
> >>> (26/05/2011). Feel free to discus it there as well.
> >>> I think that a USB-stick has multiple upsides. A quick list of those I
> >>> can think of right now (together with the benefits steven described):
> >>> - More durable than a CD
> >>> - More valuable (less chance they just install it and than ditch it)
> >>> - Can be updated
> >>> - You'll be able to use it as a normal USB stick afterwards (if you
> like)
> >>> - People who use it as a personal data stick are generally advertising
> >>> for us. (Free Publicity)
> >>> - Also works for Netbook owners
> >>> - Really awesome goodie.
> >>> - Gives an extra chance to promote our Localized version of Ubuntu
> (once
> >>> we finally create it..)
> >>> grts
> >>>
> >>> Wouter
> >>> PS: For those who don't speak dutch, I translated Stevens mail below.
> >>> 
> >>> On Wed, 18 May 2011 13:08:34 +0200 ste...@leeman.be wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi,
> >>> Last month I got this question via the supportpoint network asking me
> if
> >>> I could deliver "ubuntu" on a USB stick and send it to France.
> >>> No problem... in 123 the last version of ubuntu in "Dutch" sent on a
> 1GB
> >>> stick in an envelope straight to Cote D'Azur to a Belgian citizen who
> >>> overwintered... I already received some beautiful printscreens...
> Gained
> >>> another Ubuntero.
> >>> I've watched out for "preloaded" ubuntu sticks...
> >>> I believe that "Ubuntu-fr" had some on Fosdem...
> >>> Via the Canonical shop they cost more than 28 euros for a 4GB stick...
> >>> http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=874
> >>> 4gbyte usb stick
> >>> 20,36 euro + 7,51 euro transport
>

Re: [Ubuntu-be] Unity Lenses

2011-05-19 Thread wouter Vandenneucker 

afaik there is a gwibber lens, so I suppose you could resolve it by making a 
seperate program that manages the login

> Date: Thu, 19 May 2011 09:34:10 +0200
> From: mcie...@gmail.com
> To: ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: [Ubuntu-be] Unity Lenses
> 
> Stijn,
> 
> I see what you mean without even looking at the code. Hardcoded
> credentials is obviously a no go, but since MV uses OAuth, there must
> be way to overcome this problem? (Again, I'm not a developer)
> 
> kindest regards,
> 
> Martijn
> 
> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 9:19 AM, Stijn Van Campenhout
>  wrote:
> > Martijn,
> >
> > I don't say this wouldn't be neat!. I'm a heavy fan of Mobile Vikings. But 
> > I'm just thinking of the design problems it could have. For example take a 
> > look at the evernote example source code: 
> > http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity-place-sample/trunk/view/head:/src/daemon.vala
> >  , The login details are hard-coded in the vala script and I don't think 
> > unity has any dialog/password support build-in. I would certainly try if I 
> > could write C or vala (never heard of vala before) just for the kicks of 
> > it. But do you understand the problem?
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >
> > Stijn
> >
> > -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> > Van: mcie...@gmail.com [mailto:ubuntu-be-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com] Namens 
> > martijn cielen
> > Verzonden: donderdag 19 mei 2011 9:00
> > Aan: Ubuntu Belgium
> > Onderwerp: Re: [Ubuntu-be] Unity Lenses
> >
> > Stijn,
> >
> > basically you can do anything with a lens. See also
> > https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Unity/Lenses/Ideas
> > So the MobileVikings Lens could display all your account information
> > (cfr eg iPhone app MyVikings).
> >
> > kindest regards,
> >
> > Martijn
> >
> > On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 8:40 AM, Stijn Van Campenhout
> >  wrote:
> >> Martijn,
> >>
> >> Aren't Unity lenses meant for searching protocols or am I totally missing 
> >> the point here?
> >>
> >> Kind regards,
> >>
> >> Stijn
> >>
> >> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> >> Van: mcie...@gmail.com [mailto:ubuntu-be-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com] Namens 
> >> martijn cielen
> >> Verzonden: donderdag 19 mei 2011 8:00
> >> Aan: Ubuntu Belgium
> >> Onderwerp: [Ubuntu-be] Unity Lenses
> >>
> >> Gents,
> >>
> >> As all of us use Ubuntu, and some of us even know how to program, I'm
> >> calling for help (I'm not a developer myself, and have very little
> >> spare time atm).
> >>
> >> Would anyone of you be able to create a Unity Lens for MobileVikings?
> >> The full 2.0 api documentation is online, as is the documentation for
> >> lenses. Of course, all credit goes to the genius that creates the
> >> lens. ;-)
> >>
> >> kindest regards,
> >>
> >> Martijn
> >>
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Unity Lenses

2011-05-19 Thread martijn cielen 
Stijn,

I see what you mean without even looking at the code. Hardcoded
credentials is obviously a no go, but since MV uses OAuth, there must
be way to overcome this problem? (Again, I'm not a developer)

kindest regards,

Martijn

On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 9:19 AM, Stijn Van Campenhout
 wrote:
> Martijn,
>
> I don't say this wouldn't be neat!. I'm a heavy fan of Mobile Vikings. But 
> I'm just thinking of the design problems it could have. For example take a 
> look at the evernote example source code: 
> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity-place-sample/trunk/view/head:/src/daemon.vala
>  , The login details are hard-coded in the vala script and I don't think 
> unity has any dialog/password support build-in. I would certainly try if I 
> could write C or vala (never heard of vala before) just for the kicks of it. 
> But do you understand the problem?
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Stijn
>
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> Van: mcie...@gmail.com [mailto:ubuntu-be-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com] Namens 
> martijn cielen
> Verzonden: donderdag 19 mei 2011 9:00
> Aan: Ubuntu Belgium
> Onderwerp: Re: [Ubuntu-be] Unity Lenses
>
> Stijn,
>
> basically you can do anything with a lens. See also
> https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Unity/Lenses/Ideas
> So the MobileVikings Lens could display all your account information
> (cfr eg iPhone app MyVikings).
>
> kindest regards,
>
> Martijn
>
> On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 8:40 AM, Stijn Van Campenhout
>  wrote:
>> Martijn,
>>
>> Aren't Unity lenses meant for searching protocols or am I totally missing 
>> the point here?
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Stijn
>>
>> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
>> Van: mcie...@gmail.com [mailto:ubuntu-be-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com] Namens 
>> martijn cielen
>> Verzonden: donderdag 19 mei 2011 8:00
>> Aan: Ubuntu Belgium
>> Onderwerp: [Ubuntu-be] Unity Lenses
>>
>> Gents,
>>
>> As all of us use Ubuntu, and some of us even know how to program, I'm
>> calling for help (I'm not a developer myself, and have very little
>> spare time atm).
>>
>> Would anyone of you be able to create a Unity Lens for MobileVikings?
>> The full 2.0 api documentation is online, as is the documentation for
>> lenses. Of course, all credit goes to the genius that creates the
>> lens. ;-)
>>
>> kindest regards,
>>
>> Martijn
>>
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Unity Lenses

2011-05-19 Thread Stijn Van Campenhout 
Sorry wrong source code. This is the one from the evernote lens I mean: 
http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~alexandr-domrachev/unity-evernote-lens/unity-evernote-lens/view/head:/evernote_bridge.py


-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: st...@cmelectronics.be [mailto:ubuntu-be-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com] Namens 
Stijn Van Campenhout
Verzonden: donderdag 19 mei 2011 9:20
Aan: Ubuntu Belgium
Onderwerp: Re: [Ubuntu-be] Unity Lenses

Martijn,

I don't say this wouldn't be neat!. I'm a heavy fan of Mobile Vikings. But I'm 
just thinking of the design problems it could have. For example take a look at 
the evernote example source code: 
http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity-place-sample/trunk/view/head:/src/daemon.vala
 , The login details are hard-coded in the vala script and I don't think unity 
has any dialog/password support build-in. I would certainly try if I could 
write C or vala (never heard of vala before) just for the kicks of it. But do 
you understand the problem?

Kind regards,

Stijn

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: mcie...@gmail.com [mailto:ubuntu-be-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com] Namens 
martijn cielen
Verzonden: donderdag 19 mei 2011 9:00
Aan: Ubuntu Belgium
Onderwerp: Re: [Ubuntu-be] Unity Lenses

Stijn,

basically you can do anything with a lens. See also
https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Unity/Lenses/Ideas
So the MobileVikings Lens could display all your account information
(cfr eg iPhone app MyVikings).

kindest regards,

Martijn

On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 8:40 AM, Stijn Van Campenhout
 wrote:
> Martijn,
>
> Aren't Unity lenses meant for searching protocols or am I totally missing the 
> point here?
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Stijn
>
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> Van: mcie...@gmail.com [mailto:ubuntu-be-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com] Namens 
> martijn cielen
> Verzonden: donderdag 19 mei 2011 8:00
> Aan: Ubuntu Belgium
> Onderwerp: [Ubuntu-be] Unity Lenses
>
> Gents,
>
> As all of us use Ubuntu, and some of us even know how to program, I'm
> calling for help (I'm not a developer myself, and have very little
> spare time atm).
>
> Would anyone of you be able to create a Unity Lens for MobileVikings?
> The full 2.0 api documentation is online, as is the documentation for
> lenses. Of course, all credit goes to the genius that creates the
> lens. ;-)
>
> kindest regards,
>
> Martijn
>
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] Unity Lenses

2011-05-19 Thread Stijn Van Campenhout 
Martijn,

I don't say this wouldn't be neat!. I'm a heavy fan of Mobile Vikings. But I'm 
just thinking of the design problems it could have. For example take a look at 
the evernote example source code: 
http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~unity-team/unity-place-sample/trunk/view/head:/src/daemon.vala
 , The login details are hard-coded in the vala script and I don't think unity 
has any dialog/password support build-in. I would certainly try if I could 
write C or vala (never heard of vala before) just for the kicks of it. But do 
you understand the problem?

Kind regards,

Stijn

-Oorspronkelijk bericht-
Van: mcie...@gmail.com [mailto:ubuntu-be-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com] Namens 
martijn cielen
Verzonden: donderdag 19 mei 2011 9:00
Aan: Ubuntu Belgium
Onderwerp: Re: [Ubuntu-be] Unity Lenses

Stijn,

basically you can do anything with a lens. See also
https://wiki.edubuntu.org/Unity/Lenses/Ideas
So the MobileVikings Lens could display all your account information
(cfr eg iPhone app MyVikings).

kindest regards,

Martijn

On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 8:40 AM, Stijn Van Campenhout
 wrote:
> Martijn,
>
> Aren't Unity lenses meant for searching protocols or am I totally missing the 
> point here?
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Stijn
>
> -Oorspronkelijk bericht-
> Van: mcie...@gmail.com [mailto:ubuntu-be-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com] Namens 
> martijn cielen
> Verzonden: donderdag 19 mei 2011 8:00
> Aan: Ubuntu Belgium
> Onderwerp: [Ubuntu-be] Unity Lenses
>
> Gents,
>
> As all of us use Ubuntu, and some of us even know how to program, I'm
> calling for help (I'm not a developer myself, and have very little
> spare time atm).
>
> Would anyone of you be able to create a Unity Lens for MobileVikings?
> The full 2.0 api documentation is online, as is the documentation for
> lenses. Of course, all credit goes to the genius that creates the
> lens. ;-)
>
> kindest regards,
>
> Martijn
>
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Re: [Ubuntu-be] usb sticks met ubuntu preloaded

2011-05-19 Thread martijn cielen 
We could offer them for a symbolic price (eg € 2), this will imho
prevent people from just grabbing one and putting it in a drawer never
to come out again, as they paid for it. On the other hand they don't
have the feeling it has cost them an arm and a leg.

On a side note: when becoming a vzw, can't we talk to Canonical to let
Ubuntu-be offer an Ubuntu store on European main continent? If we
distribute resources and stock, this should be feasible without huge
investments. Just an idea.

On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 8:19 PM, Steven Leeman  wrote:
> I wouldn't offer them for free imho?
> unless you can find such a sponsor?
> Flemish gouvernment with an "edubuntu" release? :-)
>
> On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 6:32 PM, martijn cielen  wrote:
>>
>> The problem of offering the sticks for free could be solved by asking
>> sponsorship from a non-profit or an open source minded company
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> On 18-mei-2011, at 17:57, Jan Bongaerts  wrote:
>>
>> Some more advantages:
>>  It is also timeless for us a supplier. You load them with the newest
>> version. No risk of stock becoming obsolete, except if the capacity becomes
>> outdated. Which is why I'd opt for the 4Gb version.
>>
>> It is easier to load a usb stick than to burn a CD. I think it might be
>> quicker too.
>>
>> Main disadvantage: We would not be able to offer them for free, unlike the
>> CD. We would have to charge money.
>>
>> A vzw would indeed be a good idea, but if it is decided to move ahead
>> before the vzw is established, I might be able to help.
>> If a company is needed to operate this venture, I am willing to offer the
>> usage of my bvba.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Jan.
>>
>> On 18 May 2011 17:36, wouter Vandenneucker  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey Steven
>>> Personally I like the idea. I mentioned it once to warddr IIRC. But I
>>> think it is something that might require us to be a VZW.
>>> Nevertheless, I'd like to discuss it. Therefor I propose you put the idea
>>> on: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BelgianTeam/PromotionMaterial/ProposalsGoodies2011
>>> I'll also add it as a point to discuss on the next IRC meeting
>>> (26/05/2011). Feel free to discus it there as well.
>>> I think that a USB-stick has multiple upsides. A quick list of those I
>>> can think of right now (together with the benefits steven described):
>>> - More durable than a CD
>>> - More valuable (less chance they just install it and than ditch it)
>>> - Can be updated
>>> - You'll be able to use it as a normal USB stick afterwards (if you like)
>>> - People who use it as a personal data stick are generally advertising
>>> for us. (Free Publicity)
>>> - Also works for Netbook owners
>>> - Really awesome goodie.
>>> - Gives an extra chance to promote our Localized version of Ubuntu (once
>>> we finally create it..)
>>> grts
>>>
>>> Wouter
>>> PS: For those who don't speak dutch, I translated Stevens mail below.
>>> 
>>> On Wed, 18 May 2011 13:08:34 +0200 ste...@leeman.be wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> Last month I got this question via the supportpoint network asking me if
>>> I could deliver "ubuntu" on a USB stick and send it to France.
>>> No problem... in 123 the last version of ubuntu in "Dutch" sent on a 1GB
>>> stick in an envelope straight to Cote D'Azur to a Belgian citizen who
>>> overwintered... I already received some beautiful printscreens... Gained
>>> another Ubuntero.
>>> I've watched out for "preloaded" ubuntu sticks...
>>> I believe that "Ubuntu-fr" had some on Fosdem...
>>> Via the Canonical shop they cost more than 28 euros for a 4GB stick...
>>> http://shop.canonical.com/product_info.php?products_id=874
>>> 4gbyte usb stick
>>> 20,36 euro + 7,51 euro transport
>>> I've contacted the first USB supplier I could find and he gave me
>>> following prices:
>>> model "Usb Incentive"
>>> : http://www.usbstick-producent.nl/nl/usbstick/information/132/usb-stick-incentive-zilver.html
>>> 4 GB 2.0 -> Like Canonical sells them
>>> Price/piece: €7,66
>>> Logo Print: €0,10
>>> Transport (China): €20,-
>>> Total for 100 pieces: €796,- (excl. BTW)
>>> 1 GB 2.0  -> Minimum size for an Ubuntu Live CD...Has 300MB spare for
>>> extra's (NL Language for instance.. or some extra programs?)
>>> Price/piece €5,26
>>> Logo Print: €0,10
>>> Transport (China): €20,-
>>> Total for 100 pieces: €526,- (excl. BTW)
>>> The minimum amount is 100 pieces, so I gave the targetprice for 100 USB
>>> sticks from a good priceclass (like USB Incentive) including printing of the
>>> logo in 2 colors.
>>> Printing costs per color are €0,05.
>>> Although I was able to sent a normal "usb stick" to France in a normal
>>> envelope... it might be beter to use "creditcard' models?
>>>
>>> http://www.usbstick-producent.nl/nl/usbstick/information/183/usb-creditcard-standaard.html ...
>>> the experience is that the stick parte is easy to click out if your
>>> usb-ports  can't handle "wide" carts...
>>> The extra amount for a creditcar model is €0,48 per stick.
>>> I could also hear what other suppli