date:20110609

We're going to roll out an update to the Natty language packs this week.

Please check out for the announcement on the ubuntu-translators mailing
list [1]. It would be great if you could then test the language pack,
provide feedback and mark this bug as Fix Released.

Thanks!

[1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Contact/

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[Ubuntu-l10n-eng] [Bug 406626] Re: Deleted Items Folder inconsistently named in en_GB localisation

2011-06-09 Thread Chris Woollard

** Changed in: ubuntu-manual
   Status: Fix Committed = Fix Released

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[Ubuntu-l10n-eng] [Bug 773039] Re: en_GB translation should use Rubbish Bin

This probably comes from nautilus [1].

I've done a search for all Wastebasket instances in the en_GB
translations and it seems there are still a few:

http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/622618/

You can fix them by going to a url such as
https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/source-
package, choosing the template and entering 'Wastebasket' in the search
box to locate the strings.

E.g.

https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/nautilus/

source-package should roughly be the name in square brackets in the
pasted text. The name in square brackets is actually the template name,
but it often is the same as the source package name.

[1] It's probably
https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/natty/+source/nautilus/+pots/nautilus/en_GB/+translate?batch=10show=allsearch=%3Cb%3Ewastebasket%3C%2Fb%3E
which has already been fixed in Launchpad and it's waiting for the next
langpack upload to release the fixes

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[Ubuntu-l10n-eng] [Bug 646669] Re: Trash label mismatch Nautilus

2011-06-09 Thread Jorge O. Castro

** Changed in: unity
Milestone: alpha2 = backlog

** Changed in: unity
 Assignee: Neil J. Patel (njpatel) = Unity Community Hackers 
(unity-community-hackers)

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[Ubuntu-l10n-eng] [Bug 646669] Re: Trash label mismatch Nautilus

2011-06-09 Thread Kate Stewart

** Changed in: unity (Ubuntu)
Milestone: natty-alpha-3 = oneiric-alpha-3

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[Ubuntu-l10n-eng] [Bug 773037] Re: en_GB translation should use Rubbish Bin

*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 773039 ***
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/773039

** This bug has been marked a duplicate of bug 773039
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[Ubuntu-l10n-eng] [Bug 68955] Re: Disc in en_GB translation should be Disk

Is this still a problem in the English (UK) translation?

** Changed in: language-pack-en (Ubuntu)
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Re: [ubuntu-in] alternative to open office? (Sriranga(78yrsold))

2011-06-09 Thread Vividh Aditya


Hi all,
Another alternative to OpenOffice is IBM Lotus Symphony which is based 
on OpenOffice, but much better in aesthetics than Libre or OpenOffice. 
Just try it to believe it.


Regards,
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Re: [ubuntu-in] alternative to open office? (Sriranga(78yrsold))

2011-06-09 Thread Kaustav Das Modak

Hi,
Thanks for pointing out Lotus Symphony. Its license, however, is proprietary
and that is enough to favour LibreOffice :)

Thanks.
Kaustav

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 Hi all,
 Another alternative to OpenOffice is IBM Lotus Symphony which is based on
 OpenOffice, but much better in aesthetics than Libre or OpenOffice. Just try
 it to believe it.

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Re: [ubuntu-in] alternative to open office? (Sriranga(78yrsold))

2011-06-09 Thread Lalremlien Neitham

I tried to install it to try it out, but unable to install it. Maybe it is
only for Hardy?

On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 9:16 PM, Kaustav Das Modak 
kaustav.dasmo...@yahoo.co.in wrote:

 Hi,
 Thanks for pointing out Lotus Symphony. Its license, however, is
 proprietary and that is enough to favour LibreOffice :)

 Thanks.
 Kaustav


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 Another alternative to OpenOffice is IBM Lotus Symphony which is based on
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Re: [Ubuntu-QC] Format d'envoi dans la liste ubuntu-qc

2011-06-09 Thread Gérard Talbot


Le Mar 7 juin 2011 9:13, Fabián Rodríguez a écrit :
 On 11-06-06 10:51 AM, Eric Leduc wrote:
 Le 2011-06-04 15:31, Gérard Talbot a écrit :
 J'ai écrit une première ébauche:

 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuebecTeam/Netiquette

 et c'est vraiment une première ébauche. [...]

 Bonjour,

 J'ai mis un peu de temps sur la page proposée par Gérard. [...][...]

 Il pourrait être intéressant d'intégrer ou de référer à la section
 Bonnes pratiques pour les listes de diffusion du manuel français de
 Thunderbird. http://fr.flossmanuals.net/Thunderbird/DuBonUsageDuCourriel


 Faites-moi signe quand le document aura avancé un peu plus,


Fabián,

J'ai retravaillé le document aujourd'hui. C'est plus clair, plus direct,
plus concis et plus précis en général.


Quant à moi, il reste à trouver des liens à des documents en français; de
meilleurs liens.


 il est
 important de se rappeler de la première impression de tout nouvel
 inscrit sur la liste.

 Je vois ce document comme des suggestions, et non de rêgles absolues.

Dans mon esprit, ce document est une liste de directives que tous ont
objectivement intérêt à suivre. Ce document n'est pas une liste de 10
commandements à respecter religieusement ou 10 lois à policer sous peine
de sanctions.

Tous les participants (tantôt ils sont lecteurs, tantôt ils sont auteurs)
de la liste ubuntu-qc ont intérêt à adopter un même jeu de caractères,
surtout un qui supporte le français.

Tous les participants de la liste ubuntu-qc ont intérêt à suivre un
minimum de règles s'ils veulent que leurs messages soient lus et compris
sans causer des difficultés inutiles, de l'irritation, sans causer des
embûches de nature technique.

Tous les participants de la liste ubuntu-qc peuvent bénéficier de
l'archivage des messages de la liste dans la mesure où un sujet descriptif
et significatif est régulièrement choisi. Choisir un mauvais sujet nuit,
contredit le but de l'archivage des messages.

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[Ubuntu-QC] 6 @ 8 du LINUQ sur le thème d'ipv6 le 21 juin

2011-06-09 Thread David Tremblay

Bonjour à tous,

En ce lendemain de la journée mondiale IPV6, le groupe d'utilisateur
de Linux, invite ses membres et le public en général à participer à un
6 @ 8 le 21 juin.

Endroit :

CAFÉ Nagua
990, 1re Avenue
Québec (Québec)  G1L 3K4

de 18h00 à 20h00

Ce sera l'occasion d'en apprendre un peu et de partager ses
connaissances sur la nouvelle version du protocole qui fera
fonctionner
internet dans les prochaines années.

L'expert de renommée internationale et auteur du livre Migrating to
ipv6, Marc Blanchet fera une petite présentation et sera disponible
pour répondre aux questions

Des prix de présence appropriés pour l'occasion seront tirés parmi les
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Re: [Ubuntu-QC] Format d'envoi dans la liste ubuntu-qc

2011-06-09 Thread Gérard Talbot


Le Jeu 9 juin 2011 15:41, Gilbert Dion a écrit :
 2011/6/9 Gérard Talbot kubu...@gtalbot.org:

 Le Mar 7 juin 2011 9:13, Fabián Rodríguez a écrit :
 On 11-06-06 10:51 AM, Eric Leduc wrote:
 Le 2011-06-04 15:31, Gérard Talbot a écrit :
 J'ai écrit une première ébauche:

 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuebecTeam/Netiquette

 et c'est vraiment une première ébauche. [...]

 Bonjour,

 J'ai mis un peu de temps sur la page proposée par Gérard. [...][...]

 Il pourrait être intéressant d'intégrer ou de référer à la section
 Bonnes pratiques pour les listes de diffusion du manuel français de
 Thunderbird.
 http://fr.flossmanuals.net/Thunderbird/DuBonUsageDuCourriel


 Faites-moi signe quand le document aura avancé un peu plus,


 Fabián,

 J'ai retravaillé le document aujourd'hui. C'est plus clair, plus direct,
 plus concis et plus précis en général.


 Quant à moi, il reste à trouver des liens à des documents en français;
 de
 meilleurs liens.


 il est
 important de se rappeler de la première impression de tout nouvel
 inscrit sur la liste.

 Je vois ce document comme des suggestions, et non de rêgles absolues.

 Dans mon esprit, ce document est une liste de directives que tous ont
 objectivement intérêt à suivre. Ce document n'est pas une liste de 10
 commandements à respecter religieusement ou 10 lois à policer sous
 peine
 de sanctions.

 Tous les participants (tantôt ils sont lecteurs, tantôt ils sont
 auteurs)
 de la liste ubuntu-qc ont intérêt à adopter un même jeu de caractères,
 surtout un qui supporte le français.

 Tous les participants de la liste ubuntu-qc ont intérêt à suivre un
 minimum de règles s'ils veulent que leurs messages soient lus et compris
 sans causer des difficultés inutiles, de l'irritation, sans causer des
 embûches de nature technique.

 Tous les participants de la liste ubuntu-qc peuvent bénéficier de
 l'archivage des messages de la liste dans la mesure où un sujet
 descriptif
 et significatif est régulièrement choisi. Choisir un mauvais sujet nuit,
 contredit le but de l'archivage des messages.

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 Comment éviter que le fil d'une discussion se disperse? Pour celui-ci,
 il y en a au moins deux, un qui commence ainsi: Re: [Ubuntu-Qc] et
 l'autre ainsi: [Ubuntu-Qc].

Si le sujet est modifié, alors le fil de discussion se fragmente, le fil
de discussion bifurque en 2 fils de discussion, se scinde bien souvent
inutilement.

Si l'un commence par [Ubuntu-Qc], c'est peut-être parce que le sujet a été
modifié (par inadvertance).

 Également, certains nouveaux abonnés s'abonnent au «courriel quotidien
 groupé», de sorte que lorsqu'ils répondent à un sujet, ils doivent
 supprimer tous les autres s'ils se donnent ce trouble,

Ici, je ne sais pas. Je ne savais même pas qu'on pouvait s'abonner au
courriel quotidien groupé. C'est totalement nouveau pour moi.

 mais plus
 souvent ils ne pensent pas à éditer le sujet, ou le font sans que le
 message s'inscrive dans le fil de discussion, qui se trouve à être
 alors quelque chose comme: Re: [Ubuntu-QC] Lot Ubuntu-quebec, Vol 67,
 Parution 4.

Je me demande pourquoi c'est ainsi. Vol 67, Parution 4 c'est vraiment
pour les archiveurs, pour les logiciels d'archivage. Vol 67, Parution 4,
c'est vraiment une façon, une structuration bibliothéquaire de
voir/présenter les choses. Vol 67, Parution 4 ça n'indique en rien de
quoi on parle; c'est simplement un façon un peu mécanique - définitivement
numérique - de compartimenter. Ce n'est même pas une façon chronologique
(comme, p.e., Février 2010).

Les gens en général fonctionnent de façon analogique, intuitive, avec du
sens, avec des associations libres, des correspondances d'idées, de sens
(Saussure). Les ordinateurs, logiciels, base de données, les disques
fonctionnent et adressent les données de façon numériques, binaires,.

 C'est sujet à confusion, au début, si je me rappelle mes
 propres premiers pas dans cette liste.

Oui.

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Re: [Ubuntu-QC] Format d'envoi dans la liste ubuntu-qc

2011-06-09 Thread Gilbert Dion

2011/6/9 Gérard Talbot kubu...@gtalbot.org:

 Le Jeu 9 juin 2011 15:41, Gilbert Dion a écrit :
 2011/6/9 Gérard Talbot kubu...@gtalbot.org:

 Le Mar 7 juin 2011 9:13, Fabián Rodríguez a écrit :
 On 11-06-06 10:51 AM, Eric Leduc wrote:
 Le 2011-06-04 15:31, Gérard Talbot a écrit :
 J'ai écrit une première ébauche:

 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuebecTeam/Netiquette

 et c'est vraiment une première ébauche. [...]

 Bonjour,

 J'ai mis un peu de temps sur la page proposée par Gérard. [...][...]

 Il pourrait être intéressant d'intégrer ou de référer à la section
 Bonnes pratiques pour les listes de diffusion du manuel français de
 Thunderbird.
 http://fr.flossmanuals.net/Thunderbird/DuBonUsageDuCourriel


 Faites-moi signe quand le document aura avancé un peu plus,


 Fabián,

 J'ai retravaillé le document aujourd'hui. C'est plus clair, plus direct,
 plus concis et plus précis en général.


 Quant à moi, il reste à trouver des liens à des documents en français;
 de
 meilleurs liens.


 il est
 important de se rappeler de la première impression de tout nouvel
 inscrit sur la liste.

 Je vois ce document comme des suggestions, et non de rêgles absolues.

 Dans mon esprit, ce document est une liste de directives que tous ont
 objectivement intérêt à suivre. Ce document n'est pas une liste de 10
 commandements à respecter religieusement ou 10 lois à policer sous
 peine
 de sanctions.

 Tous les participants (tantôt ils sont lecteurs, tantôt ils sont
 auteurs)
 de la liste ubuntu-qc ont intérêt à adopter un même jeu de caractères,
 surtout un qui supporte le français.

 Tous les participants de la liste ubuntu-qc ont intérêt à suivre un
 minimum de règles s'ils veulent que leurs messages soient lus et compris
 sans causer des difficultés inutiles, de l'irritation, sans causer des
 embûches de nature technique.

 Tous les participants de la liste ubuntu-qc peuvent bénéficier de
 l'archivage des messages de la liste dans la mesure où un sujet
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 et significatif est régulièrement choisi. Choisir un mauvais sujet nuit,
 contredit le but de l'archivage des messages.

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 Comment éviter que le fil d'une discussion se disperse? Pour celui-ci,
 il y en a au moins deux, un qui commence ainsi: Re: [Ubuntu-Qc] et
 l'autre ainsi: [Ubuntu-Qc].

 Si le sujet est modifié, alors le fil de discussion se fragmente, le fil
 de discussion bifurque en 2 fils de discussion, se scinde bien souvent
 inutilement.

 Si l'un commence par [Ubuntu-Qc], c'est peut-être parce que le sujet a été
 modifié (par inadvertance).

 Également, certains nouveaux abonnés s'abonnent au «courriel quotidien
 groupé», de sorte que lorsqu'ils répondent à un sujet, ils doivent
 supprimer tous les autres s'ils se donnent ce trouble,

 Ici, je ne sais pas. Je ne savais même pas qu'on pouvait s'abonner au
 courriel quotidien groupé. C'est totalement nouveau pour moi.

 mais plus
 souvent ils ne pensent pas à éditer le sujet, ou le font sans que le
 message s'inscrive dans le fil de discussion, qui se trouve à être
 alors quelque chose comme: Re: [Ubuntu-QC] Lot Ubuntu-quebec, Vol 67,
 Parution 4.
QUand on s'abonne au courriel groupé, c'est ainsi ([Ubuntu-QC] Lot
Ubuntu-quebec, Vol 67, Parution 4) que s'intitule le courriel
quotidien qu'on reçoit.

Gilbert

 Je me demande pourquoi c'est ainsi. Vol 67, Parution 4 c'est vraiment
 pour les archiveurs, pour les logiciels d'archivage. Vol 67, Parution 4,
 c'est vraiment une façon, une structuration bibliothéquaire de
 voir/présenter les choses. Vol 67, Parution 4 ça n'indique en rien de
 quoi on parle; c'est simplement un façon un peu mécanique - définitivement
 numérique - de compartimenter. Ce n'est même pas une façon chronologique
 (comme, p.e., Février 2010).

 Les gens en général fonctionnent de façon analogique, intuitive, avec du
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 (Saussure). Les ordinateurs, logiciels, base de données, les disques
 fonctionnent et adressent les données de façon numériques, binaires,.

 C'est sujet à confusion, au début, si je me rappelle mes
 propres premiers pas dans cette liste.

 Oui.

 Gérard
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] unity gimp



On Wed, 2011-06-08 at 21:30 +0100, Liam Proven wrote:

 On 6 June 2011 15:57, gazz pmg...@gmx.co.uk wrote:
 
  Ah, dunno, haven't actually looked at Gnome 3 yet . . . if it's as bad as
  Unity - eeek!
 
 Unity is a /lot/ more like traditional GNOME 2 than GNOME 3 is.
 
 Put in the time to learn Unity. It is a pretty decent GUI, honestly. I
 don't understand why people are whinging so much about it. It's fine,
 it's just different.


Well, I spose this is the way things are going so I've bitten the bullet
and switched to Unity - in any case, I'll have to be able to train
people on it sigh

It has some really nice features, it's true - but it's the stubborn
fixity of it that drives me nuts. I can't have my usual widgets and it
really is very, very clunky having to cycle through all the open windows
constantly. It's clunky to click both buttons on a laptop touchpad,
don't wanna! It's much easier to point and tap). I want my weather
widget back waaah! And I mostly use tree view in Nautilus - but the
mountable nfs partitions I have in fstab only show under places view so
they can be mounted in the gui. I used to solve this by using the
disk-mounter widget on a panel but it's vanished. So now I'm endlessly
switching between tree and places view in nautilus - unless I want to
flip open a terminal every time I need to mount a network partition. (I
know you're going to ask why I don't automount them - well, cos they're
on a laptop and I don't want errors when they're not available). 

It's also annoyingly buggy - but, of course, that'll improve so not
really worth whinging about now - but doesn't exactly reduce my overall
annoyance. It has a very 'alpha' feel about it. Then there are niggly
little things - like I can't work out how to assign an icon to something
that I put on the launcher which clearly doesn't have a native launcher
icon (such as sync-ui which I use a lot - I have to tell several buttons
with just grey questionmarks on them apart by their position on the
launcher - not good). If someone knows how to do this, it'd be very
welcome. It took me a month of sundays to resize the launcher bar and
autohide it - trawling all over the compiz settings manager is no fun
either and the customisation rewards are small. 

On the good side - I especially like the feature where the super key
allocates numbers to application shortcuts (although it's a pity this
only goes up to 9 so if I want something lower down I have to start
again with the touchpad). I like the way all the windows will tile on
the desktop (not sure where I clicked to get it to do that though lol).
I also really like the way you can search quickly for an app, whose name
you know but isn't in the launcher, and launch it very fast. But if you
*don't* remember the name of the app, it'll take you all week to find
it . . . 

Overall, my feeling about it is that if you use your PC as an Ubuntu One
'toaster' it's great. If one of the things you loved about Linux/GNOME
was the enormous flexibility of the customisable desktop and widgets
you'll hate it. 

It feels like lego. I've been using Unity for a few days and I'm really
experiencing it as limited and clunky - I'm using keyboard shortcuts I
haven't bothered with for years and re-discovering the tedium of
endlessly cycling through windows. It feels retrogressive to me. 

I'm finding more stuff that it *does* do all the time though, and no
doubt I'll get more used to it - and it'll improve - but can't we have a
bit more customisation and control - widgets and stuff? Or am I missing
something? 

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[ubuntu-uk] Fwd: [lugmaster] FW: UKUUG / FLOSS UK - new name

2011-06-09 Thread Alan Pope

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] unity gimp


gazz wrote:

It has some really nice features, it's true - but it's the stubborn
fixity of it that drives me nuts.


This is what's getting me. Gnome used to (quite rightly) get told off
for not being configurable. In the past few years it's come on leaps and
bounds and is now rather useful. I really don't see the problem that 
unity is setting out to solve which makes putting up with it until it's 
finished rather difficult. But I am something of a luddite, perhaps the 
problem is that it's not changed enough recently.



I can't have my usual widgets


Yeah, I'm currently being inordinately irritated by the lack of an
Inhibit App on the panel. I think that it's a combination of that and
alt+f2's silence-on-error that's currently most making me want to be 
using something else.



and it really is very, very clunky having to cycle through all the
open windows constantly. It's clunky to click both buttons on a
laptop touchpad, don't wanna! It's much easier to point and tap).


I don't think I've ever used my middle-mouse button (which you're
emulating with the both-buttons-at-the-same-time thing) for anything
other than pasting; what feature am I missing out on here?

Is this just the sending a window to the bottom of the pile by
middle-clicking on its title bar? Doesn't the single-click on the
minimise button have roughly the same effect?


And I mostly use tree view in Nautilus - but the mountable nfs
partitions I have in fstab only show under places view so they can
be mounted in the gui. I used to solve this by using the
disk-mounter widget on a panel but it's vanished. So now I'm
endlessly switching between tree and places view in nautilus - unless
I want to flip open a terminal every time I need to mount a network
partition. (I know you're going to ask why I don't automount them -
well, cos they're on a laptop and I don't want errors when they're
not available).


I've long since stopped finding the way nautilus deals with removable
volumes amusing and now find it downright infuriating.
I've put all my removable volumes in fstab and just ignore the errors
now, it's way easier than navigating the several different abstractions
that've been thrown at the non-problem.


It feels like lego. I've been using Unity for a few days and I'm
really experiencing it as limited and clunky - I'm using keyboard
shortcuts I haven't bothered with for years and re-discovering the
tedium of endlessly cycling through windows. It feels retrogressive
to me.


Ah, I think most of the reason I've not had issues with it is because I
rarely do the mouse things. Most of what's changed are the menus and the 
launcher and I use neither. And I'm sure there's some fancy new

keyboard shortcuts in there, too.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] unity gimp

2011-06-09 Thread Colin Law

On 9 June 2011 12:37, gazz pmg...@gmx.co.uk wrote:
  ... about Unity
 It has some really nice features, it's true - but it's the stubborn fixity
 of it that drives me nuts. I can't have my usual widgets and it really is
 very, very clunky having to cycle through all the open windows constantly.

Not sure what you mean by that, you can get to the window of an open
app by clicking its icon in the launcher.

 It's clunky to click both buttons on a laptop touchpad, don't wanna! It's
 much easier to point and tap). I want my weather widget back waaah! And
 I mostly use tree view in Nautilus - but the mountable nfs partitions I have
 in fstab only show under places view so they can be mounted in the gui. I
 used to solve this by using the disk-mounter widget on a panel but it's
 vanished. So now I'm endlessly switching between tree and places view in
 nautilus - unless I want to flip open a terminal every time I need to mount
 a network partition. (I know you're going to ask why I don't automount them
 - well, cos they're on a laptop and I don't want errors when they're not
 available).

You can find a great method automatically mounting shares as they
become available and unmounting them if they become inaccessible at
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=637258

Colin

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] unity gimp



On Thu, 2011-06-09 at 13:21 +0100, Colin Law wrote:

 
 Not sure what you mean by that, you can get to the window of an open
 app by clicking its icon in the launcher.

Only it's main window, not if it has extra panels - the progress bar in
file operations or any other pane opened by an application as you use it
like a bunch of open email compose windows (where I've just flipped to
Firefox to paste a link or something) -  It's really radically annoying.
I've now realised that if you hold the super key and click on the button
it tiles all the panes open in any given app (well, at least I think
that's how I just did that) . . . but, again, it's infinitely clunkier
than just pointing and clicking at the pane's button on a task bar. Had
to hold down the super key, manoeuvre the mouse over the bar (otherwise
it'll autohide). 

Thanks - I could adapt the script you point to - but it'll take me 20
mins and I already had the problem solved with a widget! Like I say, I
don't want to have to go back to doing everything on the commandline and
in scripts cos someone decided I didn't need a well-developed, perfectly
good, widget :( 

To Avi: my point is that I *didn't* used to do this stuff with a mouse
but people keep urging me to do so in order to redress Unity's
shortcomings. I find I'm using the keyboard instead and with the
multiple panes thing I'm doing a helluva lot of tedious cycling.
Middle-clicking on a touch pad is (a) physically demanding and (b) even
more confusing than cycling. Whatever multiple-clicky-whatnot I did to
tile them is actually clunkier. 

No doubt I'll eventually find ways of navigating around comfortably but,
really, I resent so much bother for so little reward :(  

Finally, do we have to have such plug-ugly icons? Why can't I change the
icon scheme like you could with Human? 

OK I acknowledge that part of my moaning has to do with being required
to undertake a substantial learning curve and habit modification but,
really, what am I getting from Unity that makes it worth it? I think we
should be told . . . 

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Example of difficulty to Convert MS users

2011-06-09 Thread Jon Reynolds

Here's a follow up from my Dad after I berated him a little about 
giving up too easily but also understanding how he just wants to get on 
with work...


Me:
Ah you give up too easily, I am sure you could do what you want to do 
but it would be a bit of a learning curve. But I can see why you would 
want to just go back to what you're used to, if you don't mind paying 
for it.


Dad:
Perhaps I do, but too late. I'm now the proud possessor of a legitimate 
copy of Office 2003. Ok, Ok! But it's what I know and I just want to DO 
things, not mess about learning a new version. But I've added the latest 
service pack and a converter so I can open docx format.  It was only 30 
odd pounds anyway



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Example of difficulty to Convert MS users

2011-06-09 Thread Gordon Burgess-Parker


On 09/06/2011 14:17, Jon Reynolds wrote:
Here's a follow up from my Dad after I berated him a little about 
giving up too easily but also understanding how he just wants to get 
on with work...


Me:
Ah you give up too easily, I am sure you could do what you want to do 
but it would be a bit of a learning curve. But I can see why you would 
want to just go back to what you're used to, if you don't mind paying 
for it.


Dad:
Perhaps I do, but too late. I'm now the proud possessor of a 
legitimate copy of Office 2003. Ok, Ok! But it's what I know and I 
just want to DO things, not mess about learning a new version. But 
I've added the latest service pack and a converter so I can open docx 
format.  It was only 30 odd pounds anyway



Interestingly IMHO the appearance of both Open Office and Libre Office 
is more akin to Office 2003 than anything else!
And, the fact that he's installed the compatibility pack is absolutely 
NO guarantee at all that he will be able to open docx documents. ;-)


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] unity gimp


aaarrgghh! Just tried to stop it from deciding to fullscreen windows
without consulting me - unticked 'grid' in the compiz settings and Unity
promptly crashed the top bar taking all menus with it. Rebooted
(couldn't log out), and Unity just spontaneously logged me out again as
I opened a pane in Evolution. No menus unless you run panes fullscreen?
What is this fetish for running panes fullscreen? 

I just want to have some sort of control over my desktop's behaviour and
appearance? Is this too much to ask of a Linux distro? I want to adapt
the desktop, not adapt my working habits to fit someone else's ideas of
how a desktop should be? 

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] unity gimp

2011-06-09 Thread Tony Pursell

On Thu, 2011-06-09 at 12:37 +0100, gazz wrote:
 
 
 On Wed, 2011-06-08 at 21:30 +0100, Liam Proven wrote: 
  On 6 June 2011 15:57, gazz pmg...@gmx.co.uk wrote:
  
   Ah, dunno, haven't actually looked at Gnome 3 yet . . . if it's as bad as
   Unity - eeek!
  
  Unity is a /lot/ more like traditional GNOME 2 than GNOME 3 is.
  
  Put in the time to learn Unity. It is a pretty decent GUI, honestly. I
  don't understand why people are whinging so much about it. It's fine,
  it's just different.
 
 Well, I spose this is the way things are going so I've bitten the
 bullet and switched to Unity - in any case, I'll have to be able to
 train people on it sigh
 
 It has some really nice features, it's true - but it's the stubborn
 fixity of it that drives me nuts. I can't have my usual widgets and it
 really is very, very clunky having to cycle through all the open
 windows constantly. It's clunky to click both buttons on a laptop
 touchpad, don't wanna! It's much easier to point and tap). I want my
 weather widget back waaah! And I mostly use tree view in Nautilus
 - but the mountable nfs partitions I have in fstab only show under
 places view so they can be mounted in the gui. I used to solve this by
 using the disk-mounter widget on a panel but it's vanished. So now I'm
 endlessly switching between tree and places view in nautilus - unless
 I want to flip open a terminal every time I need to mount a network
 partition. (I know you're going to ask why I don't automount them -
 well, cos they're on a laptop and I don't want errors when they're not
 available). 
 
 It's also annoyingly buggy - but, of course, that'll improve so not
 really worth whinging about now - but doesn't exactly reduce my
 overall annoyance. It has a very 'alpha' feel about it. Then there are
 niggly little things - like I can't work out how to assign an icon to
 something that I put on the launcher which clearly doesn't have a
 native launcher icon (such as sync-ui which I use a lot - I have to
 tell several buttons with just grey questionmarks on them apart by
 their position on the launcher - not good). If someone knows how to do
 this, it'd be very welcome. It took me a month of sundays to resize
 the launcher bar and autohide it - trawling all over the compiz
 settings manager is no fun either and the customisation rewards are
 small. 
 
 On the good side - I especially like the feature where the super key
 allocates numbers to application shortcuts (although it's a pity this
 only goes up to 9 so if I want something lower down I have to start
 again with the touchpad). I like the way all the windows will tile on
 the desktop (not sure where I clicked to get it to do that though
 lol). I also really like the way you can search quickly for an app,
 whose name you know but isn't in the launcher, and launch it very
 fast. But if you *don't* remember the name of the app, it'll take you
 all week to find it . . . 
 
 Overall, my feeling about it is that if you use your PC as an Ubuntu
 One 'toaster' it's great. If one of the things you loved about
 Linux/GNOME was the enormous flexibility of the customisable desktop
 and widgets you'll hate it. 
 
 It feels like lego. I've been using Unity for a few days and I'm
 really experiencing it as limited and clunky - I'm using keyboard
 shortcuts I haven't bothered with for years and re-discovering the
 tedium of endlessly cycling through windows. It feels retrogressive to
 me. 
 
 I'm finding more stuff that it *does* do all the time though, and no
 doubt I'll get more used to it - and it'll improve - but can't we have
 a bit more customisation and control - widgets and stuff? Or am I
 missing something? 
 
 Paula

Paula

Your comments would be welcome on the Ayatana mailing list
(https://launchpad.net/~ayatana).  At least by me.  I quite like Unity,
but there is a lot missing (like your 'usual widgets').  Something I am
trying to get across to them there. 

By the way, have you discovered Super-W yet - for seeing all your
windows in one go.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Example of difficulty to Convert MS users


Sarah Chard wrote:

that's why it's really important to keep pushing  open document formats


And here's the problem. odf is the better format, MS Office is the 
better office suite.


I'm not at all convinced that the traction against OOo/LO is entirely 
(or even mostly) down to people being used to MS Office and, much as it 
might well be getting better in LO, MS Office has long been the more 
complete, polished, stable and predictable of the two.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] unity gimp


gazz wrote:

To Avi: my point is that I *didn't* used to do this stuff with a
mouse but people keep urging me to do so in order to redress Unity's
 shortcomings.


Oh, I didn't mean it as a workaround or an excuse, more as a general musing.


OK I acknowledge that part of my moaning has to do with being
required to undertake a substantial learning curve and habit
modification but, really, what am I getting from Unity that makes it
worth it? I think we should be told . . .


I think most of the problems with Unity are that it's less featureful
and less configurable than Gnome 2, rather than merely people being
afraid of change. The input devices haven't changed that much in the
past ten years that there's good reason to be forcing things to be done
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Example of difficulty to Convert MS users


On 08/06/11 11:00, Jon Reynolds wrote:

  My dad uses Windows and recently it completely crashed and the local
  computer shop said it needed reinstalling. So he lost all his programs.

  He decided he was going to try OpenOffice, which I thought was great. I
  also pointed out Libre office to him.

  But unfortunately the outcome was that OpenOffice didn't do address
  labels the way he was used to and didn't like the way OO did 2-column
  layouts... or something like that so he's going back to MS.

  Think this is kind of typical of a lot of people. They learn how to do
  something one way and simply cannot be bothered to learn a different
  way. his attitude was that he didn't mind going to pay for MS because he
  knew he could just get on with what he wanted to do.


He may be of the generation which was touched by a world war where 
people, probably including his relatives, fought and died. The motive 
was 'freedom'. Many (most) wars are associated with 'freedom'. When 
the problem gets as far as war, it is a tragedy, but I would ask him 
isn't it worth just a LITTLE effort to preserve the liberty which 
would otherwise be sold for a purchase price? It is not the same as 
physically having a chain of enslavement around the leg but if it was 
'Freedom' being sold (it IS), exactly what price would that really be 
worth?


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Example of difficulty to Convert MS users


On 09/06/11 14:17, Jon Reynolds wrote:

  Here's a follow up from my Dad after I berated him a little about
  giving up too easily but also understanding how he just wants to get on
  with work...

  Me:
  Ah you give up too easily, I am sure you could do what you want to do
  but it would be a bit of a learning curve. But I can see why you would
  want to just go back to what you're used to, if you don't mind paying
  for it.


(Me)
And I do not 'do' Windows, I do not support that stuff. By all means 
do what you want but I do not want to support what I believe is stuff 
I think is bad for society. It is up to you. If you want freedom stuff 
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Example of difficulty to Convert MS users


alan c wrote:

It is not the same as physically having a chain of enslavement around
the leg but if it was 'Freedom' being sold (it IS), exactly what
price would that really be worth?


Probably not a lot, really. I've not met many users of office suites who
would make much use of the freedoms associated with using a
free-as-in-freedom one.

There's the indirect benefit of the freedom that is the rapid
development cycle of free software, sure, but OOo has managed to neatly
avoid providing that for several years and LO is still working on
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] unity gimp

2011-06-09 Thread Tony Pursell

On Thu, 2011-06-09 at 14:38 +0100, gazz wrote:
 
 aaarrgghh!  No menus unless you run panes fullscreen? What is this
 fetish for running panes fullscreen? 

When you have a window that is not fullscreen you can see its menu (if
it has focus) if you mouse over the panel.  There is discussion about
getting this changed on Ayatana. I haven't yet queried why everything
has to start full screen.

Tony





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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Example of difficulty to Convert MS users

Heh, I sorta prefer the LO interface to the old OOo one - and older
versions of Office to newer ones too. 

Woh! Just figured out how grid actually works on Unity - OK, it's
making me feel a whole lot less grumpy about it. 

For anyone else who can't do a thing with their wretched multi-panes in
Unity, click on 'grid' in the compiz settings manager (rather than
trying to disable it, oops!) and you can control what windows do as you
drag them around the desktop so they don't just do their own baffling
thing and drive you nuts. 

With multiple panes in a single app, it seems you can make them (or any
windows) jump around to different locations on the screen - or tile them
two-up with a split-screen effect - hold ctrl+alt then hit the various
keys on your number pad to see what they do.  Drag them away from the
edge and they spring back to original shape/place. Sorry for boring ppl
who've already figured out Unity and I'll stop with the stream of
consciousness now ;) - just thought lots of ppl are having bother with
multiple panes on Unity and grid seems to be the key to getting them
under control. 

I seem to have menus on non-max nautilus panes some of the time and not
others - go figure! And now nautilus keeps whinging it can't mount an
nfs share - which is already mounted so why was it even *trying* to
mount it, eh? This is gonna be a long haul . . . 

Paula



On Thu, 2011-06-09 at 14:37 +0100, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:

 
 Interestingly IMHO the appearance of both Open Office and Libre
 Office 
 is more akin to Office 2003 than anything else!
 And, the fact that he's installed the compatibility pack is
 absolutely 
 NO guarantee at all that he will be able to open docx
 documents. ;-)
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] unity gimp



On Thu, 2011-06-09 at 14:40 +0100, Tony Pursell wrote:


 Your comments would be welcome on the Ayatana mailing list
 (https://launchpad.net/~ayatana).  At least by me.  I quite like Unity,
 but there is a lot missing (like your 'usual widgets').  Something I am
 trying to get across to them there. 
 
 By the way, have you discovered Super-W yet - for seeing all your
 windows in one go.
 
 Tony
 
 
 
 

OK, thanks, I'll head over there (and tone down the whining ;) 

Oh super+w rocks - ta! If anyone else is scratching their heads
about how to make Unity do what it's told without having to read the
entire F* compiz manual, just found Ubuntu Geek lists the main kb
shortcuts:
http://www.ubuntugeek.com/list-of-ubuntu-unity-keyboard-shortcuts.html
- my fellow memory-challenged peeps might appreciate wallpaper which
lists the vital shortcuts and mousetricks:
http://www.webupd8.org/2011/04/ubuntu-unity-keyboard-shortcuts.html 

The compiz documentation seems a bit convoluted and life is short, there
doesn't seem to be much quickie Unity help - think we could probably
also do with an Ubuntu-style tutorial so that others don't have to waste
quite so much time figuring it out? I'm not really finding it very
discoverable - but maybe I'm just getting old? 

Paula


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] unity gimp

2011-06-09 Thread Alan Pope

On 9 June 2011 15:54, gazz pmg...@gmx.co.uk wrote:
 Oh super+w rocks - ta! If anyone else is scratching their heads about
 how to make Unity do what it's told without having to read the entire F*
 compiz manual, just found Ubuntu Geek lists the main kb shortcuts:
 http://www.ubuntugeek.com/list-of-ubuntu-unity-keyboard-shortcuts.html
 - my fellow memory-challenged peeps might appreciate wallpaper which lists
 the vital shortcuts and mousetricks:
 http://www.webupd8.org/2011/04/ubuntu-unity-keyboard-shortcuts.html


I'd recommend giving people a direct link to the askubuntu page rather
than those blog posts.

http://askubuntu.com/questions/28086/unity-keyboard-mouse-shortcuts

Al.

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[ubuntu-uk] Kindle and Ubuntu

I have a friend who has a laptop  with only Ubuntu on it, this was a 
deliberate decision. For various reasons they are now getting very 
interested in the Kindle, I understand there are models with WiFi of a 
couple of types (3g?). They do have a WiFi  network.


Anyone using a kindle with Ubuntu here please?
Any comments about how 'compatible' a Kindle will be with Ubuntu?
What functions of the product might be a problem?
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Kindle and Ubuntu

2011-06-09 Thread Simon Greenwood

On 9 June 2011 15:59, alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com wrote:

 I have a friend who has a laptop  with only Ubuntu on it, this was a
 deliberate decision. For various reasons they are now getting very
 interested in the Kindle, I understand there are models with WiFi of a
 couple of types (3g?). They do have a WiFi  network.

 Anyone using a kindle with Ubuntu here please?
 Any comments about how 'compatible' a Kindle will be with Ubuntu?
 What functions of the product might be a problem?
 tia


You shouldn't need to connect a Kindle to a PC at all really: you buy books
over the air from Amazon and they're synced to the device from your account.
The Windows PC client for Kindle mostly runs under Wine 1.3 according to a
couple of blog posts that I've just found.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Kindle and Ubuntu

2011-06-09 Thread Jon Spriggs

Alan,

It appears as a mass storage device, and thus is adequately supported by
Ubuntu. For conversion of documents from HTML and others to the native
formats, the easiest thing to do is to e-mail the document to
USERNAME_FROM_DEVICE@free.kindle.com to convert it, or use calibre to make
the changes locally.

There are no issues I have encountered with my device... in fact, I love it!
:)

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On 9 June 2011 15:59, alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com wrote:

 I have a friend who has a laptop  with only Ubuntu on it, this was a
 deliberate decision. For various reasons they are now getting very
 interested in the Kindle, I understand there are models with WiFi of a
 couple of types (3g?). They do have a WiFi  network.

 Anyone using a kindle with Ubuntu here please?
 Any comments about how 'compatible' a Kindle will be with Ubuntu?
 What functions of the product might be a problem?
 tia

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Kindle and Ubuntu

2011-06-09 Thread Alan Pope

On 9 June 2011 15:59, alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com wrote:
 Any comments about how 'compatible' a Kindle will be with Ubuntu?

Install Calibre, use it. Don't worry about it.

 What functions of the product might be a problem?

None.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Kindle and Ubuntu


On 09/06/11 15:59, alan c wrote:

I have a friend who has a laptop  with only Ubuntu on it, this was a
deliberate decision. For various reasons they are now getting very
interested in the Kindle, I understand there are models with WiFi of a
couple of types (3g?). They do have a WiFi  network.

Anyone using a kindle with Ubuntu here please?
Any comments about how 'compatible' a Kindle will be with Ubuntu?
What functions of the product might be a problem?
tia


Thanks fro the responses!!

I don't use a kindle like device yet and I was very concerned that I 
would have difficulty trying to support 'fringe use.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Kindle and Ubuntu

2011-06-09 Thread John Stevenson

On 9 June 2011 08:04, Alan Pope a...@popey.com wrote:

 On 9 June 2011 15:59, alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com wrote:
  Any comments about how 'compatible' a Kindle will be with Ubuntu?

 Install Calibre, use it. Don't worry about it.

  What functions of the product might be a problem?

 None.

 Al.


I have a kindle and it works just fine, it shows up as a Kindle icon on the
desktop when I plug it into my Ubuntu 11.04 laptop.  I have used Ubuntu to
copy across pdf and mp3 files (music and audio books).

There are well named directories for the different types of files, documents
for pdfs, audiable for mp3 audio books and music for playing random tracks
when reading your books.  The only fiddly aspect of all this is organising
everything you have added to the kindle, on the kindle itself.  You can put
everything in one or more categories, but it seems to be one file at a time
so can be quite time consuming for adding split audio books.

3G option allows you to download books when you are not connected to a WiFi
network, it is not intended for use for browsing the Internet.  I have not
seen the need for a 3G version as 3G will also use a lot of battery power.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Kindle and Ubuntu

2011-06-09 Thread Tyler J. Wagner

On Thu, 2011-06-09 at 08:17 -0700, John Stevenson wrote:

 3G option allows you to download books when you are not connected to a
 WiFi network, it is not intended for use for browsing the Internet.

Yet there is a browser, if you don't mind browsing the web on an e-ink
display. A friend of mine loves his kindle for the fact that he gets
free 3G browsing anywhere in the world (at least where's he's tested,
which so far includes the US, UK, and Germany).

Regards,
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[ubuntu-uk] Meeting tonight


Hi all,

team meeting tonight at 9PM in #ubuntu-uk-meeting, amongst other things 
we plan to vote on the election process, including a modification 
discussed at the last meeting to set a 2 year maximum term before a new 
election will be called.

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/Elections

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[ubuntu-uk] CDs

below is an edited version of the article at 
http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2011/05/28/ubuntu-uk-loco-cds/


The allocation of CDs for the Ubuntu UK team arrived last week, to the 
excitement of the chickens. They have been using Kubuntu 10.10 for the 
last six months and are keen to evaluate the features of 11.04 (I prefer 
GNOME, the chickens prefer KDE).


After the upgrade I took their old Kubuntu 10.10 CD and gave it a bit of 
a wash, when it stopped smelling too much I put it in my laptop and 
booted it, there was a bit of a crack on the outside edge and it didn’t 
fully boot, but it got to the bootloader and did about 15 seconds of 
productive loading before it failed. Check back in 6 months to find out 
how the Kubuntu 11.04 CD boots.


So now we need to decide how best to use the remaining 49 Kubuntu CDs, 
50 Ubuntu Server CDs and 250 Ubuntu CDs. Preferably in a slightly less 
frivolous way than entertaining livestock.


Now that shipit has stopped doing individual CD requests we are going to 
reserve some for people on dialup who want CDs. The procedure for this 
is as follows.


* Email me, alanbell at ubuntu.com with a clear subject line saying you 
would like a CD.

* I will then respond with my snail mail address.
* You send me a stamped self addressed envelope big enough to hold a CD.
* I put CD in envelope and send it back to you.

So this is mildly inconvenient, and costs you more than free, but only 
about a quid, in postage. If you are on dialup (or an obsessive Ubuntu 
CD collector) this is still well worth doing, those on broadband have 
probably already got the .iso and burned it already.


Another batch will go to people distributing recycled PCs pre-installed 
with Ubuntu like Remploy I want these PCs to go out with an official CD 
in the pack, and some information about the LoCo team for the end user. 
Any company or charity involved with recycling PCs for distribution in 
the UK through the RaceOnline initiative or anything else is welcome to 
contact me to arrange CDs and help with doing an OEM build image for 
cloning (so on first boot it asks the user their name). These kind of 
organisations are not going to engage Canonical services, they just 
don’t have the margins, working constructively with them is certainly 
something we can do as a community team.


The rest will go to events and conferences where we have a presence, 
which means we need to have a presence at some events. I would really 
like the team to run a few bring-a-box installfests at university 
computing societies. If you want to help organise one that would be 
great, I am happy to support it with CDs and help get some people along 
to help.


If you have further ideas on how to use the CDs then do comment here on 
the Ubuntu-UK mailing list or at the next team meeting on IRC.


Alan Bell
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Example of difficulty to Convert MS users

2011-06-09 Thread Sarah Chard

O
n Thu, 2011-06-09 at 14:44 +0100, Avi Greenbury wrote:
 And here's the problem. odf is the better format, MS Office is the 
 better office suite.
 
 I'm not at all convinced that the traction against OOo/LO is entirely 
 (or even mostly) down to people being used to MS Office and, much as
 it 
 might well be getting better in LO, MS Office has long been the more 
 complete, polished, stable and predictable of the two.

For the majority of people doing mundane office tasks as I do whilst
running my business I doubt there would be a substantial difference
using Libre/Open Office or MS Office

MS Office may be better - I can't comment as I genuinely have never used
it - I started with Lotus (because that was on the first machine I had)
then switched to open source programs and finally made the move over to
Ubuntu as an OS - my business has been running on Ubuntu for several
years now.
And that is the point - people use MS office because it's what is on
their machines when they buy them and get used to using it.  Most people
don't want to change - I was interested in open source for a range of
reasons and enjoy experimenting with programs but I know most people
find it very boring.

Because M$ have a monopoly the open source office programs are ham
strung as they have to play catch-up trying to get their programs
working easily with the closed M$ formats - which their users will need
the programs to do as they will daily deal with others using MS office.
If the open doc formats were enforced by govt - it would help to level
the playing field and it would be easier for larger organisations to
start a switch to open source in front offices.

I'm sure you all know the arguments 

That's why getting schools to teach about Open Source and explore the
alternatives is very important - then we may not need to 'convert'
users.

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[ubuntu-uk] launchpad wiki

2011-06-09 Thread john beddard

I entered some material onto my Launchpad Wiki yesterday. Returned to
the my Launchpad page today : the Wiki and heading is no longer there.

Does anyone have any idea how to retrieve the Wiki ?

Many Thanks,

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu UK Local Community team re-approval

I have now created the re-approval application page on the wiki, right 
now it is just a blank template with the right headings, but we can 
start fleshing it out from there.

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ReApprovalApplication2011

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[ubuntu-uk] wiki

2011-06-09 Thread john beddard

Thanks Alan,

Will check it out.

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[ubuntu-uk] Wacom bamboo and linux...

2011-06-09 Thread Timothy Rittman


Hi All,

I said I'd report back on the wacom bamboo pen and touch (model 
CTH-460). It's taken me a little while to get round to it, but here are 
a few findings. In summary, the pen works well and the touch pad 
doesn't. Just for the record I'm using a 64-bit version of kubuntu natty 
with twinview over two screens.


Setting up the driver was relatively straightforward. I used the driver 
and instructions referred to in this 
howto:https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wacom/LatestDriver


The pen works immediately. One slightly off-putting aspect for someone 
who is used to touchpads on laptops is the automatic set up is for the 
location to be absolute rather than relative, ie 1-to-1 mapping of each 
point on the touchpad to the screen, rather than the movement of the 
cursor starting afresh each time you move. To be honest, I've got used 
to it now, but you can change it via xsetwacom if you want to: 
http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/maverick/man1/xsetwacom.1.html


The big downside is the touchpad. Apparently the recent bamboos have 4 
finger support, which has messed up the touchpad settings on ubuntu. 
Therefore every time you lift your finger on or off the touchpad the 
cursor jumps about 3 inches. Not very helpful! The only place I could 
find this glitch mentioned is on flavux's comments here: 
http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9496609postcount=1 There doesn't 
seem to be a cure I can find as yet.


Gimp set-up was very easy using the instructions here: 
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wacom#Gimp

Again, the pen worked straight away with pressure sensitivity as well.

Slightly worryingly the ubuntu wacom page has been marked for deletion. 
I couldn't find a more updated version, so I'm not sure what the plan is 
with this.


I have to admit I haven't really looked at what the buttons do yet. I'm 
sure they must be useful for something!


Twinview set up works fine, I didn't have to do any extra configuration. 
My monitors are not exactly the same size, but fairly similar.


So, I'd give it a 6/10 so far. It's definitely an area without much 
support and is certainly not plug it in and off you go. Using the pen 
has been surprisingly useful for some aspects of work (eg flicking 
through brain scans in 3-D projections using a programme called fslview 
- it's what I do for a living!). I would love to get the touchpad 
working. If I did, I'd probably get rid of the mouse, but I'm not there yet.


If anyone has got the touchpad working on the most recent models, I'd 
love to hear about it.


All the best,

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] launchpad wiki


On 09/06/11 20:30, john beddard wrote:

I entered some material onto my Launchpad Wiki yesterday. Returned to
the my Launchpad page today : the Wiki and heading is no longer there.

Does anyone have any idea how to retrieve the Wiki ?

Many Thanks,

  John


yeah, you had managed to create a page with a space in it which is a bit 
unusual

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/john%20beddard
I made it a redirect to a CamelCase version which will be easier to find
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JohnBeddard

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] launchpad wiki

2011-06-09 Thread john beddard

That's fantastic Alan !

Much Appreciated,

  John

On Thu, 2011-06-09 at 21:44 +0100, Alan Bell wrote:
 On 09/06/11 20:30, john beddard wrote:
  I entered some material onto my Launchpad Wiki yesterday. Returned to
  the my Launchpad page today : the Wiki and heading is no longer there.
 
  Does anyone have any idea how to retrieve the Wiki ?
 
  Many Thanks,
 
John
 
 
 yeah, you had managed to create a page with a space in it which is a bit 
 unusual
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/john%20beddard
 I made it a redirect to a CamelCase version which will be easier to find
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JohnBeddard
 
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] CDs


On 09/06/11 18:39, Alan Bell wrote:


I would really
like the team to run a few bring-a-box installfests at university
computing societies. If you want to help organise one that would be
great, I am happy to support it with CDs and help get some people along
to help.


I  got started years ago  by attending an installfest at Reading Uni 
campus and I was eternally grateful for that. It was very important 
for me to see with my own eyes what could be done with the (rubbish) 
machine I took along! It did take an other 2 years for me to really 
make use of the experience but from then on things changed.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] unity gimp

2011-06-09 Thread Andres

hi since we are on the subject i tried to add a bash script to the launcher 
with no luck googled for a bit and found something else:
http://maketecheasier.com/easily-create-quicklist-for-ubuntu-unity-launcher/2011/06/06
haven't tried it but looks really neat to use the submenus of the launcher to 
do more stuff on a single icon.


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  Oh super+w rocks - ta! If anyone else is scratching their heads
  about how to make Unity do what it's told without having to read the
  entire F* compiz manual, just found Ubuntu Geek lists the main kb
  shortcuts:
  http://www.ubuntugeek.com/list-of-ubuntu-unity-keyboard-shortcuts.html
  - my fellow memory-challenged peeps might appreciate wallpaper which
  lists the vital shortcuts and mousetricks:
  http://www.webupd8.org/2011/04/ubuntu-unity-keyboard-shortcuts.html
  
 
 I'd recommend giving people a direct link to the askubuntu page rather
 than those blog posts.
 
 http://askubuntu.com/questions/28086/unity-keyboard-mouse-shortcuts
 
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu UK Local Community team re-approval

2011-06-09 Thread Phill Whiteside

Hi,

sorry I was not at the meeting, but I'm a royalist, and the meeting clashed
with a review of a certain consort to a certain Monarch in the UK. As the
freeview recording box has died, i had to watch it live, as out in the
sticks 256Kb upload link is totally unusable on bbc-replayer system.

Regards,

Phill.

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alan.b...@theopenlearningcentre.com wrote:

 I have now created the re-approval application page on the wiki, right now
 it is just a blank template with the right headings, but we can start
 fleshing it out from there.
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ReApprovalApplication2011

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Ubuntu Studio daily CD health check

2011-06-09 Thread Colin Watson

This is a daily health check report on the Ubuntu Studio CD images.
If you have any questions, contact Colin Watson cjwat...@ubuntu.com.

ubuntustudio/daily: Uninstallable packages:

cdrdao 1:1.2.3-0.1ubuntu1 produces uninstallable binaries:
  * gcdmaster (amd64 i386)

ubuntustudio-meta 0.83 produces uninstallable binaries:
  * ubuntustudio-generation (amd64 i386)
  * ubuntustudio-recording (amd64 i386)

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Heads up, gcdmaster no longer available in Oneiric.

2011-06-09 Thread Luke Yelavich

Hi folks,
I still lirk here and read some discussion from time to time, and one thing I 
noticed was the daily report of uninstallability issues with the studio images, 
the latest one involving gcdmaster/cdrdao. I have fixed that issue in the 
seeds, and am presently uploading a new meta to fix it in the archive properly. 
The downside is that you lose gcdmaster. Its worth noting that gcdmaster uses 
old GNOME libraries which are being removed from the Ubuntu images, and even 
main. Gcdmaster is also not really maintained upstream. Unfortunately this is 
not easily fixable, as gcdmaster is built from the cdrdao package, which is in 
main.

If you want gcdmaster, then someone needs to step up and 1) maintain it, and 2) 
port it away from legacy GNOME libs.

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Re: Call for testing: LightDM

2011-06-09 Thread Robert Ancell

On 06/07/2011 08:03 PM, Matthew East wrote:
 On 7 June 2011 10:02, Alan Bell alanb...@ubuntu.com wrote:
 yeah, I would very much hope that lightdm does not introduce more
 accessibility regressions.
 I'm taking this opportunity to post a link to this comment on the
 proposed switch to lightDM from Matthew Garrett, in case people
 reading here haven't seen it, it seems relevant to this discussion and
 I haven't seen it mentioned before.

 It also briefly discusses impact on accessibility, albeit without
 going into detail.

 http://mjg59.livejournal.com/136274.html

Needless to say, I disagree with most of the points Matthew has raised.  :)

The argument that LightDM does less because it is smaller is weak.  The
features listed as missing are the ones currently provided by GNOME
session.  However, you could very easily write a LightDM greeter that
ran a GNOME session (i.e. just copy the relevant code from GDM) that
would provide all that same functionality for almost no significant
additional lines of code (as the lines are all external modules).  So
LightDM could provide all the same functionality as GDM with it's
current size.  However, if you produce a greeter that does implement
this functionality by the numbers given in the blog post you would have
a whopping 49,000 lines of code to use before you became bigger than GDM.

My preferred design is not to use GNOME session, with the main reasons
being startup cost, complexity and the security risks of running a full
session in a login screen (as pointed out by Chris earlier in this
thread).  However, the assumption seems to be this will involve
rewriting every service.  Not the case; of course a GNOME greeter would
leverage as much as is appropriate of the GNOME platform e.g. using
gnome-power-manager if that was the best solution.

A point that is incorrect (which I pointed out to Matthew but he didn't
correct) is things like power management are not performed in the
backend.  So the backend is not going to swell to support different
desktops.  Sharing policy between login screen and session is up to the
greeter.  A GNOME greeter should have the same policy as a GNOME
session.  It wont be the same as KDE policy.

Finally I think Matthew massively underestimates the value of being able
to differentiate on the greeter.  A number of projects - including
Ubuntu - have wanted to have a greeter that matches their desktops but
have been unable to do so with GDM.  No-one really cares (or wants to
know) how the lower layers of display management work (I certainly
didn't), they just want to work on the GUI.  If we were to modify GDM to
provide the UI we want (has been attempted a few times) we would be
carrying a huge patch on top of the already 35 we are carrying in
Natty.  Using LightDM we are able to run the daemon unpatched and
differentiate to our hearts content with the greeter.  With GDM we would
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Re: shrinking the desktop DVD image to 1.5GB

2011-06-09 Thread Didier Roche

On mer., 2011-06-08 at 16:55 -0700, Bryce Harrington wrote:
 
  - What should we cut from the current DVD image (currently a superset of
  desktop, alternate, and server)? Or, perhaps more simply, what would be
  worth adding beyond the current 700MB CD image?
 
 If we have the machinery to produce language-specific CDs, could that
 same machinery be used to produce language-specific USB isos?  If so,
 then only one language per image is necessary.  Looks like that'd give
 back a lot of space.

I don't think we should do that for USB isos. That adds iso QA, space
required on mirrors in addition to people downloading the wrong image
(and maybe a ETOOMUCHCHOICE?)

language-specific CDs is one step ahead and we will see how this scale
with disk space, iso QA and loco providing their default, but I don't
think we should rush in language-specific USB isos.

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Re: Do you use Binary package hint: line in bug description?

2011-06-09 Thread Matt Zimmerman

On Wed, Jun 08, 2011 at 05:52:17PM -0400, Francis J. Lacoste wrote:
 Hello,
 
 When user file bugs on the distribution and enter a package name in the 
 widget, Launchpad automatically adds a line to the description with
 Binary package hint: binarypackagename

I would welcome its disappearance. :-)

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Re: shrinking the desktop DVD image to 1.5GB

2011-06-09 Thread Matt Zimmerman

On Wed, Jun 08, 2011 at 03:50:30PM -0700, Allison Randal wrote:
 At UDS-O, we discussed CD space again (as at many a past UDS). Colin has
 nicely summarized the discussion:
 
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Specs/OneiricCDSizing
 
 Following on the tail of this, a few of us have been talking more about
 the idea of shrinking the 4.3GB DVD image down to a 1.5GB flash card/USB
 stick/DVD image. It's looking interesting enough to be worth talking
 about it more broadly.

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Re: shrinking the desktop DVD image to 1.5GB

2011-06-09 Thread James Westby

On Wed, 08 Jun 2011 15:50:30 -0700, Allison Randal alli...@canonical.com 
wrote:
 - What should we cut from the current DVD image (currently a superset of
 desktop, alternate, and server)? Or, perhaps more simply, what would be
 worth adding beyond the current 700MB CD image?

Does the DVD install extra stuff than the CD if you install a desktop?

I think we should be careful of diluting the experience is by providing
alternatives to packages on the CD (e.g. providing Thunderbird if
evolution is still the default.)

I also think that it would be good to have a metapackage to install the
extra packages if you install from the CD first, like the kubuntu-full
package that Scott mentions.

Looking at what I have installed that isn't default, I would suggest

  * inkscape
  * gimp
  * frozen-bubble

The other things probably aren't appropriate (wireshark?)

Thanks,

James


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Re: Do you use Binary package hint: line in bug description?

2011-06-09 Thread Matt Zimmerman

On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 01:15:55PM -0400, James Westby wrote:
 I don't think I've ever needed to know which particular binary package
 of a source is at fault.

This was exactly the logic for Launchpad Bugs being source package oriented,
rather than binary package oriented like debbugs.  The binary package hint,
IIRC, was a hedge in case that information turned out to be used by more
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Patch Pilot Report 2011-06-09

2011-06-09 Thread Daniel Holbach

Hello everybody,

here's what I got around to doing today:

 *
https://code.launchpad.net/~abone/ubuntu/natty/procps/fix-for-753124/+merge/58905
 *
https://code.launchpad.net/~akkzilla/ubuntu/natty/gmemusage/gmemusage-fix-370735/+merge/61171
 *
https://code.launchpad.net/~chalet16/ubuntu/natty/xorg-server/fix-for-518132/+merge/60297
   - was reviewed already, asked Colin/James to mark as work in
 progress to clean up queue

 *
https://code.launchpad.net/~cmiller/ubuntu/oneiric/picard/0.14-0u1/+merge/61685
   - was reviewed already, mark as work in progress to clean up queue

 *
https://code.launchpad.net/~marcelstimberg/ubuntu/natty/epdfview/fix-for-783109/+merge/61794
   - reviewed, looks good - asked submitter to also submit for oneiric,
 so we can get it in there first

 * https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-icon-theme/+bug/620432
   - unsubscribed sponsors, as it is blocked on a design decision in
 bug 770478, then asked to resubmit for oneiric

 * https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/create-resources/+bug/781350
   - unsubscribed sponsors, will go to Debian first

 *
https://code.launchpad.net/~cairo-dock-team/ubuntu/oneiric/cairo-dock/2.3.0-2.1/+merge/61870
 *
https://code.launchpad.net/~dev-nigelj/ubuntu/oneiric/zabbix/721707-v2/+merge/61855
   - reviewed and uploaded

 * https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdmap/+bug/794855
 * https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/794881
   - reviewed and ACKed

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Re: shrinking the desktop DVD image to 1.5GB

2011-06-09 Thread Steve Langasek

On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 07:23:31AM +0200, Martin Pitt wrote:
 Phillip Susi [2011-06-08 21:52 -0400]:
  One thing that would be nice to fix with the existing DVD image is the
  waste of space it has from duplicating the language packs both as
  packages in the pool, and being installed in the sqashfs live image,
  which is MUCH larger than the one on the livecd.

 I agree, duplicating them is a hideous waste.

  It seems like the language packs should only be included in the
  pool, not the squashfs image, and installed on demand.

 I disagree. They should only be in the squashfs image, so that you can
 actually _use_ the live system in your local language. 

Is there any reason that they have to be in the squashfs image to get that
effect?  I know that's how it's architected today, but would it actually be
a better experience to have a much smaller squashfs that needs to be
unpacked, to which the correct language pack is applied on-the-fly as soon
as we know what language the user has selected?

Cons:
 - have to wait for apt before starting the login session or ubiquity
 - new code has to be written
Pros:
 - shorter livefs build time
 - shorter install time
 - potentially *reusable* squashfs image, that can be extended for new
   locales just by dropping it on a new ISO including a different package
   repo

Is this worth exploring?

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Re: shrinking the desktop DVD image to 1.5GB

2011-06-09 Thread Martin Pitt

Steve Langasek [2011-06-09 10:49 -0700]:
 Is there any reason that they have to be in the squashfs image to get that
 effect?  I know that's how it's architected today, but would it actually be
 a better experience to have a much smaller squashfs that needs to be
 unpacked, to which the correct language pack is applied on-the-fly as soon
 as we know what language the user has selected?

At least the user wouldn't notice it, if casper would just DTRT
according to the selected locale. The main drawback that I see is that
it will take quite some RAM (magnitude of 40 MB for a well-translated
language) in the live system. The unpack time is certainly not a
biggie.

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Re: shrinking the desktop DVD image to 1.5GB

2011-06-09 Thread Steve Langasek

On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 08:36:30PM +0200, Martin Pitt wrote:
 Steve Langasek [2011-06-09 10:49 -0700]:
  Is there any reason that they have to be in the squashfs image to get that
  effect?  I know that's how it's architected today, but would it actually be
  a better experience to have a much smaller squashfs that needs to be
  unpacked, to which the correct language pack is applied on-the-fly as soon
  as we know what language the user has selected?

 At least the user wouldn't notice it, if casper would just DTRT
 according to the selected locale. The main drawback that I see is that
 it will take quite some RAM (magnitude of 40 MB for a well-translated
 language) in the live system. The unpack time is certainly not a
 biggie.

Is the RAM actually a problem in practice?  I probably don't understand the
squashfs / aufs architecture well enough; I assumed that the RAM
requirements for this were already quite high and that adding a langpack to
the overlay would have no major impact.

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Re: shrinking the desktop DVD image to 1.5GB

2011-06-09 Thread Steve Langasek

On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 06:51:27PM -0400, Stéphane Graber wrote:
  I wouldn't like this to result in any additional prompts; we should be able
  to auto-install these for the user based on their language selection in
  either the bootloader (in which case casper can do the setup), or in
  ubiquity-dm.

 Yeah, I don't plan on prompting the user for their language again, the
 prompt would be to give a chance for low-memory users to opt-out of the
 additional memory usage.

 As in my experience, it's really easy to trigger out-of-memory kills in
 the live environment by installing just a few megs of packages.

Ah; that's not a very nice choice to present the user with then.  Would you
like to run in a language you don't speak very well, or would you like an
OOM?

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Re: shrinking the desktop DVD image to 1.5GB

2011-06-09 Thread Stéphane Graber

On Thu, 2011-06-09 at 16:25 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
 On Thu, Jun 09, 2011 at 06:51:27PM -0400, Stéphane Graber wrote:
   I wouldn't like this to result in any additional prompts; we should be 
   able
   to auto-install these for the user based on their language selection in
   either the bootloader (in which case casper can do the setup), or in
   ubiquity-dm.
 
  Yeah, I don't plan on prompting the user for their language again, the
  prompt would be to give a chance for low-memory users to opt-out of the
  additional memory usage.
 
  As in my experience, it's really easy to trigger out-of-memory kills in
  the live environment by installing just a few megs of packages.
 
 Ah; that's not a very nice choice to present the user with then.  Would you
 like to run in a language you don't speak very well, or would you like an
 OOM?
 
 :/

Indeed, not sure what we should do to avoid that.
A workaround would be to bump the minimal RAM requirement for install by
whatever the biggest langpack needs (50MB ?). Or alternatively, detect
that we won't have enough RAM and just not install the langpack in such
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Patch Pilot Report 2011-06-09

2011-06-09 Thread Kees Cook

Hi,

Here's what I worked through today:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xen/+bug/790854
reviewed and approved xen MIR

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apg/+bug/785682
reviewed and approved apg MIR

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/accountsservice/+bug/785680
reviewed and rejected accountsservice MIR

https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/oneiric/base-files/oneiric-201105041859/+merge/59981
Not actually ready for a merge, no action taken.

https://code.launchpad.net/~marcelstimberg/ubuntu/natty/epdfview/fix-for-783109/+merge/61794
Needs fixing, no action taken.

https://code.launchpad.net/~cairo-dock-team/ubuntu/oneiric/cairo-dock-plug-ins/2.3.0-2.1/+merge/61871
Reviewed, merged, uploaded.

https://code.launchpad.net/~marcelstimberg/ubuntu/natty/epdfview/fix-for-783109/+merge/61794
https://launchpad.net/bugs/783109
Blocked by Oneiric sync request, no action taken.

https://code.launchpad.net/~pali/ubuntu/natty/plymouth/plymouth/+merge/61897
Blocked by upstream submission, no action taken.

https://code.launchpad.net/~abone/ubuntu/natty/popularity-contest/fix-742017/+merge/62411
Proposed merge needs additional work and Oneiric branch. Requested a fix.

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/popularity-contest/+bug/742017
Already being worked on my slangasek, no action taken.

https://code.launchpad.net/~genged/ubuntu/lucid/netcat-openbsd/dccp-support/+merge/62572
Needs Oneiric patches first. Requested a fix.

https://code.launchpad.net/~vanvugt/ubuntu/oneiric/bcmwl/fix-776439/+merge/63192
Wrong merge target (has been uploaded to -proposed). Marked as merged.

https://code.launchpad.net/~vanvugt/ubuntu/oneiric/bcmwl/fix-776165/+merge/63191
Wrong merge target (has been uploaded to -proposed). Marked as merged.

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gmemusage/+bug/370735
Bug already had additional information requested, but I feel a special
responsibility to fixing stuff that was broken by compiler hardening.
Updated patch and changelog, uploaded to oneiric.

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Re: shrinking the desktop DVD image to 1.5GB

2011-06-09 Thread Martin Pitt

Stéphane Graber [2011-06-09 20:03 -0400]:
 Indeed, not sure what we should do to avoid that.
 A workaround would be to bump the minimal RAM requirement for install by
 whatever the biggest langpack needs (50MB ?). Or alternatively, detect
 that we won't have enough RAM and just not install the langpack in such
 case.

I think that's a better approach indeed. A threshold of 1 GB seems
appropriate for this? Then we could just do it in casper.

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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] .ODS com problema 1

2011-06-09 Thread Adair Junior

Paulo Lima,

Gostaria de agradecer a você como a todas as outras pessoas que me ajudaram
na resolução deste problema. Bom, explicando para outras pessoas a frente e
que procurarem por este mesmo erro venho confessar que no linux ainda deixa
muito a desejar na questão de movimentação do código do arquivo xml, mais
precisamente neste problema o content.xml ou ainda não usei o editor correto
no linux ou ainda este editor não é conhecido por muitos no mundo linux e a
maior dificuldade neste problema é achar um editor que faça você ir a linha
e coluna correta sem muita dificuldade e este é o X da questão nos
editores xml linux e que passei dias tentando e não consegui nem no blusfish
e nem no mcedit, mas me voltando nas coisas positivas a resolução deste
problema foi baseado em um software gratuito chamado firstobject XML
Editor e que foi instalado no windows vista 32 bits e ai para achar a linha
2 e coluna 187177 foi a maior facilidade e por incrivel que pareça, o
problema foi resolvido em minutos e na coluna em questão existia um erro que
qualquer um que já fez páginas HTML resolveria o problema pois existia dois
style que estava assim st9le e só foi mudar o 9 por y nas duas
linhas do programa perto da coluna 187177 que o arquivo abriu com sucesso.

Obrigado


2011/6/5 Paulo de Souza Lima paulo.s.l...@gmail.com

 Em 4 de junho de 2011 22:37, Adair Junior adair.i...@gmail.com escreveu:

  Paulo Lima,
 
 
 Bom dia.

 corte


  voltando ao problema eu fiz um script em shell script que esta abaixo e
  executei entretanto percebi que o comando cut não esta bem feito,
  precisando
  de ajuste ou quem sabe outro comando para se chegar ao objetivo final,
 bom
  o
  arquivo abri na linha 2 e coluna 431895 com o script 1 ou script 2.
 Alguém
  pode me ajudar a se chegar a linha correta que é linha 2 e coluna 187177,
  ou
  seja (2,187177)
 
  script
  1-
 
  #!/bin/sh
 
  cd /home/adair/Desktop/Teste/ODS/
  mcedit content.xml
  cut -c2,187177 content.xml
 

 Não precisa do mcedit/vi pra isso. Acho que basta um comando cat no arquivo
 context.xml, que deve funcionar.

 Você está procurando pela *posição absoluta* coluna 2, linha 187177, dentro
 do arquivo, não pela célula da coluna 2 linha 187177 da planilha. Você
 precisa estudar a estrutura de dados do content.xml para fazer o que você
 quer, não apenas dizer, literalmente, pro script me traga o conteúdo da
 linha 2 coluna 187177.

 Minha sugestão: crie uma planilha nova, coloque alguns dados nela, salve,
 abra o context.xml desse arquivo e estude sua estrutura. Depois, e só
 depois, tente fazer o script.

 A minha primeira sugestão foi fazer um script que contasse o número de tags
 que definem as colunas, até chegar à coluna que você deseja. Você pode usar
 um loop condicional junto com a opção -d do cut, ou algo parecido. Minha
 segunda sugestão, só que não vai permitir alterações no arquivo, senão pode
 falhar, é usar a opção -b do cut e contar manualmente o número de bytes até
 o local que você deseja ir.


 
  ---script
  2--
 
  #!/bin/sh
 
  cd /home/adair/Desktop/Teste/ODS/
  mcedit content.xml
  cut -c2,7 content.xml
 
 
 Abraço.

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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] depois de atualizar para 11.04 sistema não inicializa

2011-06-09 Thread Agua Nova

Após troca de HD, instalei primeiramente o XP para em seguida tentar a
instalação do Ubuntu 11.04.
Com o XP instalado, o drive CD/DVD não lê a mídia contendo Ubuntu.
Usando outras mídias contendo música, por exemplo, a unidade lê e executa
normalmente.

O que poderia estar ocorrendo?

Alguém passou por situação semelhante? Qual foi a solução dada?



Em 5 de junho de 2011 17:55, Jacson Marcelo jacsonmarc...@gmail.comescreveu:

 Olá amigos. Aproveitando o domingo, resolvi atualizar o sistema, do 10.04
 para o 11.04.

 Primeiro atualizei para o 10.10 e depois para o 11.04.

 Não tenho outros sistemas instalados na máquina, somente o Ubuntu.

 Ocorre que ao reiniciar o sistema o mesmo não esta carregando, dando o
 aviso
 abaixo:

 Boot from (hd0,0) ext3 6750.
 Satrting up...
 /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.7/gtk-2.0/gtk/__init__.py:57 GTkWarning: could
 not open display
  warnings.warn(str(e), _gtk.Warning)
 nanny
 *Stopping System V runlevel compatibility [ok]
  *Starting CUPS printing spooler/server [ok]

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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] .ODS com problema 1

2011-06-09 Thread Humberto Fraga

Em 9 de junho de 2011 05:35, Adair Junior adair.i...@gmail.com escreveu:
 Bom, explicando para outras pessoas a frente e
 que procurarem por este mesmo erro venho confessar que no linux ainda deixa
 muito a desejar na questão de movimentação do código do arquivo xml

Arquivos xml podem ter vários tipos de conteúdo, não apenas tabelas.
Você procurou por uma solução genérica para um caso de uso específico,
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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] depois de atualizar para 11.04 sistema não inicializa

2011-06-09 Thread Humberto Fraga

Em 9 de junho de 2011 07:21, Agua Nova aguanova1...@gmail.com escreveu:
 O que poderia estar ocorrendo?

Você se mete no problema de outra pessoa para perguntar uma dúvida de
windows? É isso mesmo? Se dê ao menos ao trabalho de criar uma nova
mensagem e não responder a de outro.

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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] .ODS com problema 1

2011-06-09 Thread Paulo de Souza Lima

Em 9 de junho de 2011 08:50, Humberto Fraga xisbe...@gmail.com escreveu:

 Em 9 de junho de 2011 05:35, Adair Junior adair.i...@gmail.com escreveu:
  Bom, explicando para outras pessoas a frente e
  que procurarem por este mesmo erro venho confessar que no linux ainda
 deixa
  muito a desejar na questão de movimentação do código do arquivo xml

 Arquivos xml podem ter vários tipos de conteúdo, não apenas tabelas.
 Você procurou por uma solução genérica para um caso de uso específico,
 por isso não encontrou.


+1.



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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] [Off] Ailurus para o Natty

2011-06-09 Thread Welson de Avelar Soares Filho

Em 8 de junho de 2011 15:47, Zandre Bran escreveu:

2011/6/8 Welson de Avelar Soares Filho
Irmões e irmãs.

Ôlas Welson.

É verdade que não existe uma versão deste software para o Natty ainda?
[...]

Não sei; mas vi que existe um canal de software para ele:

http://code.google.com/p/ailurus/wiki/enable_repository

E tem um PPA experimental também:

https://launchpad.net/~ailurus/+archive/ailurus-experimenthttps://launchpad.net/%7Eailurus/+archive/ailurus-experiment

Eu
achei uma versão (10.10.5, ou algo assim) para Ubuntu, mas apenas para o
Maverick. Para o Natty, nada ainda mesmo? Pode ter *algum problema* em
instalar a versão referida para uma versão anterior do Ubuntu?

Não sei, tem que testar; no máximo ele não instala por causa de
dependencias ou não vai funcionar; que aí é apenas retirar o pacote.
Agora se esta versão saiu a pouco tempo é bem capaz que logo esteja no
PPA.

Caso não exista de fato, qual alternativa me aconselham?

Usar o Tweak?

Um abraço moçada... o/

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Muitíssimo obrigado.

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[Ubuntu-BR] Ubuntu Tweak

2011-06-09 Thread César de Araújo

Prezados, costumo usar essa excelente ferramenta para limpeza e ajustes 
gerais no ubuntu. Na ultima atualizacao do kernel, final 10, rodei o 
tweak, que normalmente faz uma limpeza deixando apenas o ultimo 
instalado e remove os demais do grub. Nesse ultimo isso nao ocorreu, 
ficando no grub o kernel de final 9 e o 10 juntos. Como posso deixar 
somente o 10 sem interferir no funcionamento.


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[Ubuntu-BR] [OT] Tradutor bilíngue para comunicador instantâneo

2011-06-09 Thread Jean Pierre Jochen

Olá pessoal,

desculpem por mais um off, mas não deixa de estar ligado (mesmo que
indiretamente) ao linux/ubuntu/mint...

seguinte, gostaria de saber se alguém conhece alguma ferramenta ou plugin -
pode ser pra aMSN, Empathy ou Pidgin - que realizasse traduções do português
 espanhol  português, em tempo real da conversa.

estou tendo contato com pessoas do México e como meu espanhol (ou embrumól,
rsrsrs), não está muito afiado e uso bastante o google translate pra me
ajudar, mas se existir alguma ferramenta pra acoplar aos mesenger agilizaria
muito meu trabalho...

PS: pra não encher a lista de OT, quem quiser/souber de algum, pode me
retornar em PVT.

grato pela atenção de todos

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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] [OT] Tradutor bilíngue para comunicador instantâneo

2011-06-09 Thread Paulo de Souza Lima

Em 9 de junho de 2011 10:19, Jean Pierre Jochen jeanjoc...@gmail.comescreveu:

 Olá pessoal,

 desculpem por mais um off, mas não deixa de estar ligado (mesmo que
 indiretamente) ao linux/ubuntu/mint...

 seguinte, gostaria de saber se alguém conhece alguma ferramenta ou plugin -
 pode ser pra aMSN, Empathy ou Pidgin - que realizasse traduções do
 português
  espanhol  português, em tempo real da conversa.

 estou tendo contato com pessoas do México e como meu espanhol (ou
 embrumól,
 rsrsrs), não está muito afiado e uso bastante o google translate pra me
 ajudar, mas se existir alguma ferramenta pra acoplar aos mesenger
 agilizaria
 muito meu trabalho...

 PS: pra não encher a lista de OT, quem quiser/souber de algum, pode me
 retornar em PVT.


Pessoalmente, não considero isso um OT. Aí vão alguns online, outros são
plugins. Nunca testei, mas é um começo.

http://googletalk.blogspot.com/2007/12/merry-christmas-god-jul-and.html
http://googletalk.blogspot.com/2007/12/merry-christmas-god-jul-and.html
http://freelanguage.org/translation/meglobe-com-jabber-powered-web-based-instant-messenger-with-automatic-realtime-machine-translation-in-14-languages
http://freelanguage.org/translation/meglobe-com-jabber-powered-web-based-instant-messenger-with-automatic-realtime-machine-translation-in-14-languages
http://code.google.com/p/pidgin-plugins/
 http://code.google.com/p/pidgin-plugins/http://imtranslator.com/

http://imtranslator.com/Abraço


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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] [OT] Tradutor bilíngue para comunicador instantâneo

2011-06-09 Thread Sidney

Olá Jean,

Não sei se funciona, mas pesquise à respeito do bot para msn ou algo do
tipo.
É um 'usuário' que você adiciona à sua lista de amigos e na hora da
conversa, se não me engano, você adiciona ele também.
Mas, como pode notar, não sei ao certo como funciona. Dá uma pesquisada.

Atenciosamente,
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2011/6/9 Jean Pierre Jochen jeanjoc...@gmail.com

 Olá pessoal,

 desculpem por mais um off, mas não deixa de estar ligado (mesmo que
 indiretamente) ao linux/ubuntu/mint...

 seguinte, gostaria de saber se alguém conhece alguma ferramenta ou plugin -
 pode ser pra aMSN, Empathy ou Pidgin - que realizasse traduções do
 português
  espanhol  português, em tempo real da conversa.

 estou tendo contato com pessoas do México e como meu espanhol (ou
 embrumól,
 rsrsrs), não está muito afiado e uso bastante o google translate pra me
 ajudar, mas se existir alguma ferramenta pra acoplar aos mesenger
 agilizaria
 muito meu trabalho...

 PS: pra não encher a lista de OT, quem quiser/souber de algum, pode me
 retornar em PVT.

 grato pela atenção de todos

 Sucesso, saúde e paz a todos
 *
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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] [OT] Tradutor bilíngue para comunicador instantâneo

2011-06-09 Thread neth...@logbin.net

On Thu, 9 Jun 2011 10:19:17 -0300
Jean Pierre Jochen jeanjoc...@gmail.com wrote:
 seguinte, gostaria de saber se alguém conhece alguma ferramenta ou plugin -
 pode ser pra aMSN, Empathy ou Pidgin - que realizasse traduções do português
  espanhol  português, em tempo real da conversa.

Jean, acho que quebra um galho: http://tradukka.com/

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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] [OT] Tradutor bilíngue para comunicador instantâneo

2011-06-09 Thread Jean Pierre Jochen

opa, show de bola pessoal,

... agora é só testar qual melhor se adapta ao caso...

mais uma vez obrigado pelas dicas.

vou testar cada uma e depois post um tópic como dica, pra ficar registrado
pra se alguem mais precisar no futuro...

forte abraço a todos

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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] SDM ou XDMCP com ssh, terminal X remoto

2011-06-09 Thread julio menezes

Zandre,

VNC e clientes como xtightvncserver, xvncserver, svncviewer) ate funcionam mas 
eu gosto do XDMCP porque eh muito rapido e eficiente.
O problema eh que trafega em porta UDP e eh bastante inseguro.

Como eu vi o pacote sdm que faz o login usando ssh+X
decidi testar pois faria exatamente o que eu quero.

Ainda continuo testando, creio que ja vejo algumas solucoes, so falta testar.

Tks, []s

julio





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 Assunto: Re: [Ubuntu-BR] SDM ou XDMCP com ssh, terminal X remoto
 Para: Lista de discussão do LoCoTeam Brasileiro ubuntu-br@lists.ubuntu.com
 Data: Quarta-feira, 8 de Junho de 2011, 15:03
 2011/6/6 julio menezes yjmene...@yahoo.com.br:
 
     Ôas Julio.
 
  No caso desejo me logar remotamente no servidor como
 se estivesse diante dele.
 
     VNC?
 
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[Ubuntu-BR] Acesso lento pelo Squid

2011-06-09 Thread Diego Walisson

Senhores, tive que reintalar o Squid 2.6.STABLE18 + SquidGuard + Bind9 num
Ubuntu Server 8.04 recentemente e percebi que a partir daí os usuários
começaram a reclamar com certa frequência de lentidão no acesso a qualquer
site da internet, pois antes do procedimento era tudo uma maravilha.
A máquina é virtual num VMware Server, com proc. Core 2 Duo 1,86Ghz e 1,5 GB
de RAM. Funciona como servidor proxy e DNS.
Vejam minha configuração:

*dns_nameservers 172.x.x.x --   Esse DNS aqui é outro servidor na rede.

http_port 2201
visible_hostname proxy-x

acl all src 0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0
acl manager proto cache_object
acl localhost src 127.0.0.1/255.255.255.255

acl SSL_ports port 443  # https
acl SSL_ports port 563  # snews
acl SSL_ports port 873  # rsync
acl Safe_ports port 80  # http
acl Safe_ports port 21  # ftp
acl Safe_ports port 443 # https
acl Safe_ports port 70  # gopher
acl Safe_ports port 210 # wais
acl Safe_ports port 631 # cups
acl Safe_ports port 873 # rsync
acl purge method PURGE
acl CONNECT method CONNECT

http_access allow manager localhost
http_access deny manager
http_access allow purge localhost
http_access deny purge
http_access deny !Safe_ports
http_access deny CONNECT !SSL_ports

acl liberados url_regex -i /etc/squid/liberados
http_access allow liberados

acl redelocal src 172.x.x.x/16
acl redelocal src 10.x.x.x/16
acl redelocal src 201.x.x.x/26

http_access allow localhost
http_access allow redelocal

http_access deny all

cache_mem 300 MB

maximum_object_size_in_memory 64 KB

cache_dir aufs /var/spool/squid 2048 16 256

minimum_object_size 2 KB

maximum_object_size 512 MB

cache_swap_low 90
cache_swap_high 95

access_log /var/log/squid/access.log squid

logfile_rotate 10

redirect_program /usr/bin/squidGuard
redirect_children 10

acl QUERY urlpath_regex cgi-bin \?
cache deny QUERY

refresh_pattern ^ftp:   15  20% 2280
refresh_pattern ^gopher:15  0%  2280
refresh_pattern .   15  20% 2280

acl apache rep_header Server ^Apache
broken_vary_encoding allow apache

extension_methods REPORT MERGE MKACTIVITY CHECKOUT

#error_directory /usr/share/squid/errors/Portuguese

hosts_file /etc/hosts

coredump_dir /var/spool/squid*

Há algo de errado nesse squid.conf ou algo que pode ser otimizado para
acabar (ou amenizar) essa lentidão?

Desde já agradeço.

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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Mobile Media Converter

2011-06-09 Thread ramao martins

César de Araújo, o ffmpeg tem uma página que tem muitas
possibilidades. Eu não usei ainda para ogg -- mp3, mas quando usei,
escrevi uma linha de comando que na época  deu certo e coloquei os
arquivos que queria converter um após o outro com espaço e obtive
êxito. Foi trabalhoso, mas saiu tudo bem no final.
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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Mobile Media Converter

2011-06-09 Thread neth...@logbin.net

On Thu, 9 Jun 2011 14:10:20 +
ramao martins ramao.mart...@gmail.com wrote:

 César de Araújo, o ffmpeg tem uma página que tem muitas
 possibilidades. Eu não usei ainda para ogg -- mp3, mas quando usei,
 escrevi uma linha de comando que na época  deu certo e coloquei os
 arquivos que queria converter um após o outro com espaço e obtive
 êxito. Foi trabalhoso, mas saiu tudo bem no final.
 ramao.mart...@gmail.com

Se ajudar... sempre usei o sound converter dos repositórios para converter de 
off para mp3 com excelentes resultados.

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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Acesso lento pelo Squid

2011-06-09 Thread Anderson Francisco

rapaz...

acabamos de passar um perrengue danado aqui pelo mesmo motivo.

o dansguardian tava jogando nossa rede no chão...

passamos o dans para a porta 8484 (para não desinstalar)
e passamos o squid para a 8080... a internet ficou outra coisa

é claro que isso só serve como teste de alguns dias mesmo...
pq com orkut, facebook, youtube,... ninguém merece.

preparamos a instalação do SQUIDGUARD segundo o mestre:
http://www.hardware.com.br/tutoriais/filtro-conteudo-squidguard/
ou
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SquidGuard

colocaremos no ar na semana que vem... pra ver como é que fica

boa sorte pra você e pra nós





Em 9 de junho de 2011 11:00, Diego Walisson diegowalis...@gmail.com escreveu:
 Senhores, tive que reintalar o Squid 2.6.STABLE18 + SquidGuard + Bind9 num
 Ubuntu Server 8.04 recentemente e percebi que a partir daí os usuários
 começaram a reclamar com certa frequência de lentidão no acesso a qualquer
 site da internet, pois antes do procedimento era tudo uma maravilha.
 A máquina é virtual num VMware Server, com proc. Core 2 Duo 1,86Ghz e 1,5 GB
 de RAM. Funciona como servidor proxy e DNS.
 Vejam minha configuração:

 *dns_nameservers 172.x.x.x --   Esse DNS aqui é outro servidor na rede.

 http_port 2201
 visible_hostname proxy-x

 acl all src 0.0.0.0/0.0.0.0
 acl manager proto cache_object
 acl localhost src 127.0.0.1/255.255.255.255

 acl SSL_ports port 443          # https
 acl SSL_ports port 563          # snews
 acl SSL_ports port 873          # rsync
 acl Safe_ports port 80          # http
 acl Safe_ports port 21          # ftp
 acl Safe_ports port 443         # https
 acl Safe_ports port 70          # gopher
 acl Safe_ports port 210         # wais
 acl Safe_ports port 631         # cups
 acl Safe_ports port 873         # rsync
 acl purge method PURGE
 acl CONNECT method CONNECT

 http_access allow manager localhost
 http_access deny manager
 http_access allow purge localhost
 http_access deny purge
 http_access deny !Safe_ports
 http_access deny CONNECT !SSL_ports

 acl liberados url_regex -i /etc/squid/liberados
 http_access allow liberados

 acl redelocal src 172.x.x.x/16
 acl redelocal src 10.x.x.x/16
 acl redelocal src 201.x.x.x/26

 http_access allow localhost
 http_access allow redelocal

 http_access deny all

 cache_mem 300 MB

 maximum_object_size_in_memory 64 KB

 cache_dir aufs /var/spool/squid 2048 16 256

 minimum_object_size 2 KB

 maximum_object_size 512 MB

 cache_swap_low 90
 cache_swap_high 95

 access_log /var/log/squid/access.log squid

 logfile_rotate 10

 redirect_program /usr/bin/squidGuard
 redirect_children 10

 acl QUERY urlpath_regex cgi-bin \?
 cache deny QUERY

 refresh_pattern ^ftp:           15      20%     2280
 refresh_pattern ^gopher:        15      0%      2280
 refresh_pattern .               15      20%     2280

 acl apache rep_header Server ^Apache
 broken_vary_encoding allow apache

 extension_methods REPORT MERGE MKACTIVITY CHECKOUT

 #error_directory /usr/share/squid/errors/Portuguese

 hosts_file /etc/hosts

 coredump_dir /var/spool/squid*

 Há algo de errado nesse squid.conf ou algo que pode ser otimizado para
 acabar (ou amenizar) essa lentidão?

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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Mobile Media Converter

2011-06-09 Thread neth...@logbin.net

On Thu, 9 Jun 2011 11:36:12 -0300
neth...@logbin.net neth...@logbin.net wrote:

 On Thu, 9 Jun 2011 14:10:20 +
 ramao martins ramao.mart...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  César de Araújo, o ffmpeg tem uma página que tem muitas
  possibilidades. Eu não usei ainda para ogg -- mp3, mas quando usei,
  escrevi uma linha de comando que na época  deu certo e coloquei os
  arquivos que queria converter um após o outro com espaço e obtive
  êxito. Foi trabalhoso, mas saiu tudo bem no final.
  ramao.mart...@gmail.com
 
 Se ajudar... sempre usei o sound converter dos repositórios para converter de 
 off para mp3 com excelentes resultados.

Desculpem, errei no teclado: de ogg para mp3
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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Importante (leiam todos da lista Ubuntu-BR).

Buenas a todos que estão em algum lugar QUENTE do Brasil, pois o sul está
congelando!

Li a maioria das mensagem e acho que nosso amigo está acostumado com outras
listas,
como podemos ver que ele mesmo disse que é membro, pois aqui é a lista para
discussão do
Ubuntu certo?
Posso lhe afirmar com toda a certeza do mundo que os tópicos como X, Firefox
e etc,
como já foi citado por um colega, são sim muitas vezes de responsabilidade
da distro.
Venho tabalhando com desenvolvimento e customização do Ubuntu há 2 anos,
parece pouco,
mais já tive diversos problemas onde por exemplo o X versão xx.xx funciona
perfeitamente em uma
distro e na outra não!
E ae? O usuário iniciante faz o que?
Pergunta na lista da distro, eu aconselharia, pois ao perguntar, como
exemplo, na lista do Xorg eles
responderiam, aqui na minha distro Y funciona...
O X foi somente um exemplo.
Mas já tive problemas com diversas outras aplicações.
A missão do Ubuntu é integrar todos não é? Colaboração de todos né?
Eu participo tanto desta lista, quanto da lista do Fedora, Ubuntu-US, Meego
e TODAS são assim,
é claro que bom senso é sempre bom, se você vai perguntar como baixar música
pela internet,
um OFF TOPIC na mensagem não mata ninguém.
Como foi citado por outro colega eu tbm não tenho tempo para ler todas as
mensagens que
são enviadas diariamente, sempre tento ajudar quando vejo que posso.
Outra coisa útil é PESQUISAR na lista antes de perguntar, pois se sua dúvida
é simples,
pesquise pois provavelmente alguém já perguntou, essa simples pesquisa já
diminui o trafego de mensagens agradando a gregos e troianos!


Abraço a todos!


Em 7 de junho de 2011 17:50, Adauto Serpa adautose...@gmail.com escreveu:

 Robson,

 Acho que você está equivocado, todos os pacotes formam o Ubuntu, sem eles
 não existiria Ubuntu nem as outras distros.
 Acredito que sua colocação empobrece a lista e seus usuários.

 A lista,

 Acho também muito difícil ter um padrão para definir o que é ou não
 OFF-TOPIC. Se está relacionado com o Ubuntu não
 vejo problema e ser tratado aqui, porém temos colocar em prática o bom
 senso. Difícil a vida de moderador ; )

 A um tempo atrás alguém escreveu um mensagem aqui na lista sobre servidor
 de
 email(Postfix) e umas das primeiras
 respostas o aconselhavam para ir para um lista específica. Acredito que
 temos que discutir o assunto sobre os pacotes
 do Ubuntu aqui na lista, não havendo solução aí sim passar para algo mais
 específico.

 Desculpe talvez pelo que vou dizer, temos que aumentar o nível da lista,
 estamos pensando pequeno, não estamos em uma
 lista de iniciantes ou veteranos, somos um grupo de usuários de uma
 determinada Distro e pronto.

 Acredito que a grande diferença da lista Ubuntu é que nem todos são
 apaixonados por Tecnologia ou por Linux apenas usuários
 de um SO querendo resolver seus problemas do dia a dia. Esse é o preço que
 se paga por crescer de mais ! Veja se isso acontece
 na lista do Slackware ou Debian, é um público mais restrito(restrito não
 quero dizer que é pequeno).


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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] [Off-Topic] Duvida Shell Script

Opa,
Pera, você que a linha de comando para ler um texto no terminal
ou como fazer isso em shell script?

Em 8 de junho de 2011 14:57, Zandre Bran zandreb...@ubuntu.com escreveu:

 2011/6/4 Rodrigo Fernandes rodrigo@gmail.com:

Ôlas Rodrigo.

  Pessoal, alguém sabe como que faz para dividir um texto em paginas quando
  excede o numero de caracteres na tela do terminal ?

 Tem o less que permite rolar o texto. Pode também usar o  pra
 direcionar saidas para arquivos textos; ou o comando tee que joga tudo
 em segundo plano para um arquivo texto também. Existem diversas
 formas, espero que estas lhe ajudem.

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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Mobile Media Converter

Opa,
Hoje mesmo vi um softaware que parece muito bom,
não sei se faz o lote todo de uma vez, mas é muito fácil de usar.
Gnac
http://gnac.sourceforge.net/

abraço

Em 9 de junho de 2011 11:37, neth...@logbin.net neth...@logbin.netescreveu:

 On Thu, 9 Jun 2011 11:36:12 -0300
 neth...@logbin.net neth...@logbin.net wrote:

  On Thu, 9 Jun 2011 14:10:20 +
  ramao martins ramao.mart...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   César de Araújo, o ffmpeg tem uma página que tem muitas
   possibilidades. Eu não usei ainda para ogg -- mp3, mas quando usei,
   escrevi uma linha de comando que na época  deu certo e coloquei os
   arquivos que queria converter um após o outro com espaço e obtive
   êxito. Foi trabalhoso, mas saiu tudo bem no final.
   ramao.mart...@gmail.com
 
  Se ajudar... sempre usei o sound converter dos repositórios para
 converter de off para mp3 com excelentes resultados.

 Desculpem, errei no teclado: de ogg para mp3
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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] depois de atualizar para 11.04 sistema não inicializa

Opa,

Um seu problema parece mesmo o driver de video da nvidia.
veja se já existe um driver instalado:

dpkg -l | grep nvidia

Se existir algo semelhante deverá aparecer

ii  nvidia-173-modaliases
173.14.28-0ubuntu1
ii  nvidia-96-modaliases
96.43.19-0ubuntu1
ii  nvidia-common
0.2.24
ii  nvidia-current  260.19.06-0ubuntu1  (NO
MEU CASO ESSE É O DRIVER)
ii  nvidia-current-modaliases
260.19.06-0ubuntu1
ii  nvidia-settings
260.19.06-0ubuntu1

Os modaliases são metapackages que vem instalados.
Caso não exista tente o seguinte:

sudo jockey-text --list*

*vai exibir uma lista semelhante a isso:

xorg:nvidia_173 - NVIDIA accelerated graphics driver (Proprietário,
Desativado, Não está em uso)
xorg:nvidia_current - NVIDIA accelerated graphics driver (Proprietário,
Desativado, Não está em uso)

verifique a versão que se encaixa melhor para sua placa, caso apareça a
versão:
xorg:nvidia_current - NVIDIA accelerated graphics driver (Proprietário,
Desativado, Não está em uso)

então siga:

sudo jockey-text --enable=xorg:nvidia_current

outros casos:

sudo jockey-text --enable=xorg:nvidia_173 (trocando o _173 pela versão que
deseja)


após a instalação use o comando:

sudo nvidia-xconfig

e reinicie a máquina.

Abraço

Em 9 de junho de 2011 08:52, Humberto Fraga xisbe...@gmail.com escreveu:

 Em 9 de junho de 2011 07:21, Agua Nova aguanova1...@gmail.com escreveu:
  O que poderia estar ocorrendo?

 Você se mete no problema de outra pessoa para perguntar uma dúvida de
 windows? É isso mesmo? Se dê ao menos ao trabalho de criar uma nova
 mensagem e não responder a de outro.

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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Log de Inicializacao

Opa,

No diretório:

/var/log/

você encontra log de todo o sistema, programas, boot, kernel e etc.
entre nesse diretório:

cd /var/log/

e faça sua busca, como exemplo:

grep -riH intel *

esse comando DENTRO da pasta /var/log/ vai  listar todas as ocorrências da
palavra intel
nos logs!

Abraço

Em 8 de junho de 2011 15:34, Zandre Bran zandreb...@ubuntu.com escreveu:

 2011/6/8 Hálen Yuri Oliveira haleny...@gmail.com:
  Bom Dia Pessoal,

Ôlas Hálen.

  gostaria de saber se tem algum log em algum lugar que me mostre a
  inicializacao do sistema, códulos carregados, montagem de discos, rede,
 tudo
  possivel.

  Se quiser acesso direto use o comando dmesg. Agora se quiser ir
 visualizando enquanto carrega, pode pressionar F4 quando aparecer o
 splash que ele sai do gráfico e exibie info durante o arranque. Outra
 forma é editar o GRUB e retirar o quiet e splash; que alias é a
 primeira coisa que faço.

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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Erro ao Iniciar de /home criptografada

Opa,

Estou com o mesmo problema, o /home está em uma partição separada e está
dando esse erro.
Algum problema no Ubiquity não está criando o usuário corretamente, quando
se trata de uma
partição separada, na verdade o recipe Multi do partman, o que separa /boot,
/var , /usr, /home
cada um em uma partição também não está funcionando da maneira desejada, ele
cria as partições todas, porém o /boot continua dentro do / como uma pasta e
não como uma outra partição, o /home está com problemas de permissões, sem
contar a confusão do quando vai fazer um upgrade de kernel, pois ele busca o
/boot e este está vazio, pois a partição /boot (sda1) está montada em cima
do /boot do sistema, e o mesmo acontece com o /home



Em 8 de junho de 2011 15:33, Hálen Yuri Oliveira haleny...@gmail.comescreveu:

 Acabei de fazer o jeito mais simples possivel

 Abri um terminal mesmo, na sessão que eu esta, com um outro usuário.

 digitei o comando e reiniciei

 Pronto.


 Valeu gente, esta funcionando certinho e do jeitinho qu eu queria

 Agora vou escluir a outra /home q esta na particao do sistema pra nao haver
 problema futuro né.

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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Erro ao Iniciar de /home criptografada

2011-06-09 Thread Hálen Yuri Oliveira

Nossa, fez um nó no meu cerebro.

Por que voce separou as pastas assim ?


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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] [Off-Topic] Duvida Shell Script

2011-06-09 Thread Rodrigo Fernandes

é como fazer isso em shell script, exemplo:

ao ler um arquivo qualquer:

cat arquivo.txt

e o texto dentro do arquivo for muito grande e ultrapassar o limete do
dimensionamento do terminal, quebrar esse texto em paginas tipo:

Pressione [Enter] para continuar lendo

 ao inves dele mostrar todo o texto no terminal

Em 9 de junho de 2011 11:45, Emilio Fernandes emili...@gmail.com escreveu:

 Opa,
 Pera, você que a linha de comando para ler um texto no terminal
 ou como fazer isso em shell script?

 Em 8 de junho de 2011 14:57, Zandre Bran zandreb...@ubuntu.com escreveu:

  2011/6/4 Rodrigo Fernandes rodrigo@gmail.com:
 
 Ôlas Rodrigo.
 
   Pessoal, alguém sabe como que faz para dividir um texto em paginas
 quando
   excede o numero de caracteres na tela do terminal ?
 
  Tem o less que permite rolar o texto. Pode também usar o  pra
  direcionar saidas para arquivos textos; ou o comando tee que joga tudo
  em segundo plano para um arquivo texto também. Existem diversas
  formas, espero que estas lhe ajudem.
 
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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Erro ao Iniciar de /home criptografada

Na verdade é pra testar o recipe multi do instalador do sistema, no caso
estamos desenvolvendo uma
ferramenta de recovery para o sistema, então precisamos de 4 partições (sem
contar o swap) que seriam;

sda1 /boot
sda2 extend
sda3 /
sda4 /home
sda5 /recovery
sda6 swap

mais o boot e o home não funcionam da maneira que deveriam.
O Ubiquity não está instalando os arquivos de boot (initrd, vmlinuz, grub)
na partição de boot
e o home não está montando corretamente quando o GDM é iniciado, assim não
conseguindo
criar o arquivo .ICEauthority por problemas de permissões.

Na verdade eu desenvolvo muito em cima do Ubiquity (o instalador do
sistema), mas ainda não
achei a solução para esses problemas, e não pretendia ter que fazer isso
manualmente, no caso
com o chow na pasta home, pois o sistema vai em modo OEM (para configuração
de usuario depois da instalação e não durante ela) sendo assim não tenho
como saber qual é o usuário que será criado...

Em 9 de junho de 2011 12:18, Hálen Yuri Oliveira haleny...@gmail.comescreveu:

 Nossa, fez um nó no meu cerebro.

 Por que voce separou as pastas assim ?


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Re: [Ubuntu-BR] [Off-Topic] Duvida Shell Script