Re: [Ubuntu-ch] Re : Order CDs for the Festival du développement durable in Geneva
Dear Samuel. WaVeR is right, I sent him the email below just after the event. We described the event here: http://www.ll-dd.ch/?q=node/47 Please tell me if you would have liked something else. Thanks again for your support. Great to hear so. Hassan promised to add the information to the wiki. Greets Marcus -- Ubuntu-ch mailing list Ubuntu-ch@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-ch
Re: [Ubuntu-ch] Re : Order CDs for the Festival du développement durable in Geneva
Hello Markus, Le samedi 11 juin 2011 à 08:34 +0200, Marcus Moeller a écrit : Great to hear so. Hassan promised to add the information to the wiki. Change done. The info was also mentioned on our reapproval page. But I forgot to move this activity from current to past. Have a nice day. --- Hassan -- Ubuntu-ch mailing list Ubuntu-ch@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-ch
Re: [Ubuntu-ch] Re : Order CDs for the Festival du développement durable in Geneva
Dear Hassan. Le samedi 11 juin 2011 à 08:34 +0200, Marcus Moeller a écrit : Great to hear so. Hassan promised to add the information to the wiki. Change done. The info was also mentioned on our reapproval page. But I forgot to move this activity from current to past. Have a nice day. np. thanks for taking care. Greets Marcus -- Ubuntu-ch mailing list Ubuntu-ch@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-ch
Re: [Ubuntu-ch] Reminder Ubuntu Hour
Hi Hassan Am 11.06.2011 05:18, schrieb WaVeR: Correct me if I'm wrong but the ubuntu hour can take part any where not only in Zürich. Ubuntu hour have nothing to do with local activity Stammtisch . You are right. The ubuntu hour can take part everywhere. In my understanding, an ubuntu hour is a possibility to bring people in contact with ubuntu (and ubuntu users). That can be in coffee-shop or at a event called Stammtisch. The mean thing, in my opinion, is, to give the people the possibility to get in contact with ubuntu. As often as possible, at so many places at possible. I think, it's contraproductive, if we discuss about change the places/cities each time. Just organise it at every place as often as possible, as long as you have people, who wants to do it. Why not ubuntu hours or Stammtisch or something else at the same day in Zürich and Biel or somwhere else? I'm not able to visit an event in Biel or St. Gallen or Chur during the week, but i can do it in Zürich. And you can do it, for example, in Biel or Bern? jm2c Greetings, Bruno -- Ubuntu-ch mailing list Ubuntu-ch@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-ch
Re: live-build import failure
On 11/06/11 00:17, Colin Watson wrote: Hi, I'm working on a set of modifications to the live-build package, and am almost ready to upload them, but I noticed that lp:ubuntu/live-build doesn't exist. Could somebody look at the import failure? http://package-import.ubuntu.com/status/live-build.html currently says: ... OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/srv/package-import.canonical.com/new/updates/live-build/tmpY9PcJn/upstream/.bzr/checkout/limbo/new-75' I've done some investigation and it appears that the problem is that TreeTransform has multiple bugs where a versioned symlink to a directory is replaced with an actual directory, containing any children in common with those accessible via the former symlink. This is going beyond my current knowledge of TreeTransform, so I don't think I'm going to be able to fix this myself. The easiest way to reproduce this is to try to successively bzr import-dsc live-build 2.0~a21-1 and then 2.0~a22-1 Max. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- ubuntu-distributed-devel mailing list ubuntu-distributed-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-distributed-devel
Re: live-build import failure
Is this strictly a TreeTransform issue or is it how import-dsc is using it? =:- On Jun 11, 2011 4:20 PM, James Westby james.wes...@canonical.com wrote: On Sat, 11 Jun 2011 13:26:05 +0100, Max Bowsher _...@maxb.eu wrote: On 11/06/11 00:17, Colin Watson wrote: Hi, I'm working on a set of modifications to the live-build package, and am almost ready to upload them, but I noticed that lp:ubuntu/live-build doesn't exist. Could somebody look at the import failure? http://package-import.ubuntu.com/status/live-build.html currently says: ... OSError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/srv/ package-import.canonical.com/new/updates/live-build/tmpY9PcJn/upstream/.bzr/checkout/limbo/new-75 ' I've done some investigation and it appears that the problem is that TreeTransform has multiple bugs where a versioned symlink to a directory is replaced with an actual directory, containing any children in common with those accessible via the former symlink. Are there any bugs filed against bzr about this that you know of? Thanks, James -- ubuntu-distributed-devel mailing list ubuntu-distributed-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-distributed-devel -- ubuntu-distributed-devel mailing list ubuntu-distributed-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-distributed-devel
Re: [ubuntu-in] how to connect mobile internet in Kubuntu
Hi In Kubuntu 10.10 and below, the mobile-broadband-info package is not on the CD by default, this is one of the major reasons why your setup might not be working. Another could be a outdated network manager. Regards Rohan Garg On Jun 11, 2011 9:27 AM, Anirudh S anirudh24se...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 9:50 AM, musunuru kamakshaiah chinnik...@yahoo.co.in wrote: Dear folks, I recently installed Kubuntu desktop packages in Ubuntu 10.04. I am unable to connect to internet using my Nokia C3 mobile phone. There was no problem in Ubuntu, Kubuntu network connections set up is somewhat different compared to Ubuntu. Any body using Mobile phone connection for internet in Kubuntu, please help me... I have used Kubuntu for about a year (karmic and maverick). Can you please give more details? What happens when you connect your mobile? What does the Network Manager application show? - Kamakshaiah Musunuru Assistant Professor, SCDL, Pune-411016 Maharashtra, India. +919561723634 (Pune) +919177573730 (AP) www.kamakshaiah.wordpress.com www.kamalinux.wordpress.com -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [Ubuntu-QC] Manif à la maison Radio-Canada: contre la censure, pour les logiciels libres
Le Sam 4 juin 2011 0:18, Gérard Talbot a écrit : Le Ven 3 juin 2011 21:50, Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre a écrit : 2011/6/3 Gérard Talbot kubu...@gtalbot.org: [...] 1- Accès aux contenus vidéo sans être restraint à utiliser SilverLight de Microsoft Objectif noble, étant donné à quel point SilverLight est accessible, dans tous les sens du terme. D'autres aux déjà passé de SilverLight à HTML5 ou d'autres options. Ca arrivera éventuellement chez RadioCanada aussi. C'est pas vraiment matière à manif comme ca, tout seul. Éventuellement, ça peut vouloir dire dans 5 ans, voire 10 ans. J'ai lu à quelquepart - je ne me souviens plus où - que le HTML5 va être en développement jusqu'en 2022 selon Ian Hickson. Il y aussi une persistante controverse qui dure depuis 2 ans lié aux codecs vidéo, avec et sans royautés/redevances. Le HTML5 ne propose aucun codec mais les navigateurs IE9 et Safari ont choisi h.264 à cause de sa performance et ne supporteront pas certains autres codecs qui sont gratuits (sans royautés) et ouvert mais moins performants. Donc, video ne règle pas tout, loin de là. MPEG-4 support H.264 support Ogg Theora support WebM support http://beta.html5test.com/index.html Firefox et Chrome (à partir de la version 12, je crois) ne supporteront pas le h.264; on voit alors tout de suite le problème qui s'annonce pour les prochaines années. The unfortunate reality of HTML5 video is that browsers cant agree on a single codec. However, they seem to have narrowed it down to two. One codec costs money (because of patent licensing), but it works in Safari and on the iPhone. (This one also works in Flash if you use a solution like Video for Everybody!) The other codec is free and works in open source browsers like Chromium and Mozilla Firefox. http://diveintohtml5.org/detect.html#video-formats J'ai trouvé plus d'information sur ce sujet: Support pour les codecs video = WebM/VP8 video format http://caniuse.com/#feat=webm Multimedia format designed to provide a royalty-free, high-quality open video compression format for use with HTML5 video. IE 8+ et Safari ne supportent pas WebM mais Firefox 4+, Chrome 9+, Opera 10+ et Konqueror 4.6 le supportent. MPEG-4/H.264 video format http://caniuse.com/#feat=mpeg4 Commonly used video compression format (not royalty-free) Seuls IE9+ et Safari supportent le h.264. Comme je disais, à partir de Chrome 12, Chrome ne le supporte pas. Il y a un développement d'un module externe pour Firefox mais alors se pose la question des redevances. Fait intéressant: le coût des redevances est refilé - à leur insu ou sans qu'ils le sachent - aux consommateurs lors de l'achat de la license d'utilisation de Windows 7 et Mac OS X 10.6/10.7 Ogg/Theora video format http://caniuse.com/#feat=ogv Free lossy video compression format. IE 8+ et Safari ne supportent pas Ogg/Theora mais Firefox 4+, Chrome 9+, Opera 10+ et Konqueror 4.6 le supportent. --- Video for Everybody! http://camendesign.co.uk/code/video_for_everybody --- La position de Mozilla sur les codecs video brevetisés et liés à des redevances: The web is not built on patents http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/asa/archives/2011/01/the_web_is_not_built.html Mozilla, and our friends over at Opera, have insisted on this important fundamental principle of the Web as we've built out support for HTML5 video in our browsers. Today, with notice that they intend to stop shipping the patent encumbered h.264 video codec in Chrome, Google has joined Mozilla and Opera and lent its significant weight to this critical aspect of the Web. With approximately 40% of Web usage happening through these three browsers, VP8+Vorbis in WebM will soon have the critical mass it needs to become the standard video technology for HTML5's video tag. http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/asa/archives/2011/01/the_web_is_not_built.html --- La position de Microsoft sur les codecs video HTML5 Video http://blogs.msdn.com/b/ie/archive/2010/04/29/html5-video.aspx avec 233 commentaires, certains clairement pour les formats libres, ouverts et gratuits. --- En conclusion, la balise video du HTML5 ne règlera pas tous les problèmes si un jour le site de radio-canada y souscrit, bien au contraire. Ce jour-là, on risque fort, encore une fois, de faire les frais d'une politique pro-Microsoft ou une affaire d'exclusivité pour ceux qui auront Windows comme os ou Mac OS X comme os. Gérard Talbot -- Tous les bogues (ou presque) des navigateurs web: http://www.gtalbot.org/BrowserBugsSection/ Contributions to the CSS 2.1 test suite http://www.gtalbot.org/BrowserBugsSection/css21testsuite/ Guide d'utilisateur de KompoZer http://www.gtalbot.org/NvuSection/GuideUtilisateurNvu/GuideNvuSection1.html -- Ubuntu-quebec mailing list Ubuntu-quebec@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quebec
Re: [Ubuntu-QC] scripts shell exécutables via Dolphin ou Nautilus ?
mon fichier .profile contient les lignes suivantes : # set PATH so it includes user's private bin if it exists if [ -d $HOME/bin ] ; then PATH=$HOME/bin:$PATH fi echo $PATH donne l'affichage : /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games peut-être que le répertoire $HOME/bin n'est pas ajouté à la variable $PATH ??? via Dolphin le script sc s'exécute mais dans la Konsole on me dit que le programme sc n'est pas installé. michel@michel-HP-Pavilion:~$ ls -la ~/bin total 12 drwxr-xr-x 2 michel michel 4096 2011-06-11 19:49 . drwxr-xr-x 45 michel michel 4096 2011-06-11 20:15 .. -rwxrwxrwx 1 michel michel 158 2011-06-09 06:42 sc En copiant ce script sur le bureau , il s'exécute au clickodrome Michel Chassey -- View this message in context: http://ubuntu-qc.124361.n3.nabble.com/scripts-shell-executables-via-Dolphin-ou-Nautilus-tp3037004p3054466.html Sent from the Ubuntu-Qc mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Ubuntu-quebec mailing list Ubuntu-quebec@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quebec
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 30 test drive of Ubuntu: PC world
On Wednesday 08 Jun 2011 09:46:40 Andrés Muñiz Piniella wrote: I've been following up 7 days of this guy fighting a change to Ubuntu from Windows7. Sadly he is finding loads of contradictory messages, rants about linux, rants about mint, rants about nvidia drivers... But a very interesting read. Linux foundation is retweeting every single blogpost. Have you seen Matt Daubneys' attempt at going from Ubuntu to Windows for 30 days? http://daubers.co.uk/2011/06/09/from-linux-to-windows-for-30-days/ -- Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] School websites
Just been to look at the website of my daughter's school - https://slp3.somerset.gov.uk/schools/hps/Default.aspx. Is this similar to other school websites in the UK where everything is in either Word, Excel or PPT format both old and new with the help section giving links to viewers? I've tried viewing some of the letters in Libreoffice, but the formatting seems wrong. -- Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites
On 11 June 2011 09:32, Mark Fraser ubu...@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk wrote: Just been to look at the website of my daughter's school - https://slp3.somerset.gov.uk/schools/hps/Default.aspx. Is this similar to other school websites in the UK where everything is in either Word, Excel or PPT format both old and new with the help section giving links to viewers? The school my wife works at puts documents online as PDF usually. I've yet to see Office files. I've tried viewing some of the letters in Libreoffice, but the formatting seems wrong. Not very surprising :( Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites
On 11/06/11 09:40, Alan Pope wrote: On 11 June 2011 09:32, Mark Fraser ubu...@mfraz.orangehome.co.uk wrote: Just been to look at the website of my daughter's school - https://slp3.somerset.gov.uk/schools/hps/Default.aspx. Is this similar to other school websites in the UK where everything is in either Word, Excel or PPT format both old and new with the help section giving links to viewers? The school my wife works at puts documents online as PDF usually. I've yet to see Office files. I've tried viewing some of the letters in Libreoffice, but the formatting seems wrong. Not very surprising :( Cheers, Al. My school generally puts stuff in PDFs where possible, but they do put a few spreadsheets (which can be opened in LibreOffice) when it has to... -- Lewis Cawte -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites
On 11/06/11 09:32, Mark Fraser wrote: Just been to look at the website of my daughter's school - https://slp3.somerset.gov.uk/schools/hps/Default.aspx. Is this similar to other school websites in the UK where everything is in either Word, Excel or PPT format both old and new with the help section giving links to viewers? I've tried viewing some of the letters in Libreoffice, but the formatting seems wrong. yeah, but before blaming LibreOffice too much, I think any office suite would struggle to display the graphic sourced from P:\Office\USER\WP\Graphics\PGQMbronze08.JPG Alan. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites
I think schools have a lot to answer for... they're supposed to be educational establishments, yet they seem to fundamentally misunderstand the whole concept of the web... PDFs are fine, for documents that need to be printed consistently (eg. posters for school events) but ALL other information (where possible) should be in plain HTML, marked up in such a way as to be accessible to those on devices from the latest phones to the most basic 800x600 PC... Why should I have to load up a PDF reader to find term times? To find information on some school trip? To get the contact information for the staff? Even worse if it's Word or Excel, but PDF is bad enough. I would like to think that schools flew the flag for accessibile web content etc. yet it seems that they are well behind the times or could it be they're just too lazy? Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites
On 11/06/11 11:01, Sean Miller wrote: I think schools have a lot to answer for... they're supposed to be educational establishments, yet they seem to fundamentally misunderstand the whole concept of the web... PDFs are fine, for documents that need to be printed consistently (eg. posters for school events) but ALL other information (where possible) should be in plain HTML, marked up in such a way as to be accessible to those on devices from the latest phones to the most basic 800x600 PC... Why should I have to load up a PDF reader to find term times? To find information on some school trip? To get the contact information for the staff? Even worse if it's Word or Excel, but PDF is bad enough. I would like to think that schools flew the flag for accessibile web content etc. yet it seems that they are well behind the times or could it be they're just too lazy? Sean Perhaps we need more people in schools to help out who can actually do web design and help out without charging hundreds of pounds for the job. nProblem is most people out of college may not have these skills, I have seen web design courses advertised at my local college, they use Dreamweaver, great so i use that at college go in to schools and they can't afford it. Goes back to teaching skills rather than packages and to the test. Sometimes if you are the one person in the school who knows xyz then you get the ict co-ordinator job, so this comes part of the package, so you just struggle with what ever software is available in the time (or lack of time) allocated in between planning, marking, teaching and all the other jobs. Seems to me that schools need help and perhaps we techie people need to be more willing to work / volunteer / offer our time / expertise to schools. Paul -- Paul Sutton Cert SLPS (Open) http://www.zleap.net Open Mic nights - Wednesday 8pm to 11pm (14+) Free entry Breakin' Ground - Street dance for young people (8+) Wednesday 6pm (starts May 11th) The Lighthouse,26 Esplanade Road, Paignton 01803 411 812 or e-mail i...@devonmusiccollective.com for more info. 17th September 2011 - Software freedom day -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 30 test drive of Ubuntu: PC world
On 11/06/11 09:27, Mark Fraser wrote: On Wednesday 08 Jun 2011 09:46:40 Andrés Muñiz Piniella wrote: I've been following up 7 days of this guy fighting a change to Ubuntu from Windows7. Sadly he is finding loads of contradictory messages, rants about linux, rants about mint, rants about nvidia drivers... But a very interesting read. Linux foundation is retweeting every single blogpost. Have you seen Matt Daubneys' attempt at going from Ubuntu to Windows for 30 days? http://daubers.co.uk/2011/06/09/from-linux-to-windows-for-30-days/ It is a nice idea. The elephant in the room is that almost nobody I know who uses Windows has useful experience of preparing to install Windows, and then installing it, and setting it up, nor, dare I say it, often of even 'backing up'. This situation is formalised by not making install CDs available when a PC is purchased. This is a high barrier to changing from a pre installed OS. Once Ubuntu *is* safely installed onto a PC and configured for normal use, there only remains the question of ongoing support. For most Windows users this would be from friends or family member (fofm). Unless the novice Ubuntu user is in an area with a high density of Ubuntu users, then they need a surrogate fofm to watch over them. Ubuntu forums are brilliant, however, they appeal only to users with a certain level of confidence. -- alan cocks Ubuntu user -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites
On 11 June 2011 11:30, Paul Sutton zl...@zleap.net wrote: Perhaps we need more people in schools to help out who can actually do web design and help out without charging hundreds of pounds for the job. nProblem is most people out of college may not have these skills, I have seen web design courses advertised at my local college, they use Dreamweaver, great so i use that at college go in to schools and they can't afford it. Goes back to teaching skills rather than packages and to the test. No, that is not the point at all... schools would not take on somebody to be their secretary who had no concept of what a word processor was, or could not use a spreadsheet... they are meant to be educational establishments... are you REALLY saying that the quality of staff at our schools could not grasp writing something like this :- h1here is a heading/h1 pThe first paragraph/p pThe second paragraph/p I am SORRY but if this is the state of our education system then I despair... Sometimes if you are the one person in the school who knows xyz then you get the ict co-ordinator job, so this comes part of the package, so you just struggle with what ever software is available in the time (or lack of time) allocated in between planning, marking, teaching and all the other jobs. I could train somebody in writing basic HTML in hours... Seems to me that schools need help and perhaps we techie people need to be more willing to work / volunteer / offer our time / expertise to schools. Possibly but it seems rather pathetic that we're trusting the future of our kids to people who don't appear to even be able to grasp something as basic as HTML. Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 30 test drive of Ubuntu: PC world
On 11 June 2011 11:33, alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com wrote: Have you seen Matt Daubneys' attempt at going from Ubuntu to Windows for 30 days? http://daubers.co.uk/2011/06/09/from-linux-to-windows-for-30-days/ It is a nice idea. The elephant in the room is that almost nobody I know who uses Windows has useful experience of preparing to install Windows, and then installing it, and setting it up, nor, dare I say it, often of even 'backing up'. This situation is formalised by not making install CDs available when a PC is purchased. This is a high barrier to changing from a pre installed OS. Once Ubuntu *is* safely installed onto a PC and configured for normal use, there only remains the question of ongoing support. For most Windows users this would be from friends or family member (fofm). Unless the novice Ubuntu user is in an area with a high density of Ubuntu users, then they need a surrogate fofm to watch over them. Ubuntu forums are brilliant, however, they appeal only to users with a certain level of confidence. -- alan cocks Ubuntu user Hi Alan! I did realise that when I started, but I had to get my laptop back to the factory defaults. So it was an interesting (and immensley aggravating) diversion. Has made me think a little bit though. If we assume most laptops these days have 500 or 750 GB disks, then you can get a 1TB USB disk for ~£40. Maybe someone should write a linux installer that backs up the complete HDD state before install onto one of these disks now they're becoming inexpensive. Would take a while I admit but for peace of mind of people doing these installs for the first time would be quite large. Just a thought :) I'm off the install stuff now and onto day to day tasks. Already had to go into the cmd prompt once (oh the irony). There'll be more to come as I find time to write stuff -Matt Daubney -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites
On 11 June 2011 11:40, Sean Miller s...@seanmiller.net wrote: I am SORRY but if this is the state of our education system then I despair... And this is largely irrelevant in many cases, because they are using CMS systems. It's their CHOICE to attach a PDF rather than merely type the information into (in many cases) a WYSIWYG editor such as fckeditor or tinymce. The key is that we need to EDUCATE the educators that accessibility is important, and Word/Excel files disempower those without the software to read and PDF files disempower those with slow connections and/or lack of plug-ins. Plain HTML disempowers nobody, because if they can read the site they can read it. Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites
My sons school is not great. Most things are in PDF, Newsletters, prospectus, ofsted reports etc, I like the way Mark's school links directly to the ofsted site for the HTML version of the report rather than the way ours provides a PDF version. However we have no word excel or ppt files yet. The calendar and diary is done fairly well. But for the most inaccessible page of all time have a look at the class catering page. One 4.3MB Jpeg of the menu without any alt text. Remember this school serves a rural area where dialup is still common, and broadband can be unreliable and slow (I routinely come across max speeds of 256kbps, often lower in the surrounding villages). https://www.edulink.networcs.net/schools/Swan_Lane/Pages/Default.aspx -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites
On 11/06/11 11:40, Sean Miller wrote: On 11 June 2011 11:30, Paul Sutton zl...@zleap.net mailto:zl...@zleap.net wrote: Perhaps we need more people in schools to help out who can actually do web design and help out without charging hundreds of pounds for the job. nProblem is most people out of college may not have these skills, I have seen web design courses advertised at my local college, they use Dreamweaver, great so i use that at college go in to schools and they can't afford it. Goes back to teaching skills rather than packages and to the test. No, that is not the point at all... schools would not take on somebody to be their secretary who had no concept of what a word processor was, or could not use a spreadsheet... they are meant to be educational establishments... are you REALLY saying that the quality of staff at our schools could not grasp writing something like this :- h1here is a heading/h1 pThe first paragraph/p pThe second paragraph/p Not sure, what I was getting at was that my local college as do many others teach using Dreamweaver or other expensive tool I think this removes the need to write html by hand for the most part. I would rather learn how to do a website plus what is going on under the hood so to speak, so I understand what the software is doing. People here have said we should be teaching how to use word processor or example NOT how to use a specific package that ties people in to a specific company or file format. if you teach me HTML then I can use what ever editor I want, I will probably also understand what is going on in dreamweaver so when I view the code I actually understand what its doing, I am not implying people are not capable of writing html code, Paul -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites
Sean Miller wrote: It's their CHOICE to attach a PDF rather than merely type the information into (in many cases) a WYSIWYG editor such as fckeditor or tinymce. Interesting use of 'merely' there. It's hardly surprising that they choose to attach an already-extant document rather than 'merely' retype it into some web form. The problem, really, is that the CMS cannot be pointed at some document and produce a web page of its own volition, which is just down to whoever specced the system deciding it'd be better to save the cost of that and just attach files instead. -- Avi -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites
On 11 June 2011 11:40, Sean Miller s...@seanmiller.net wrote: No, that is not the point at all... schools would not take on somebody to be their secretary who had no concept of what a word processor was, or could not use a spreadsheet... they are meant to be educational establishments... are you REALLY saying that the quality of staff at our schools could not grasp writing something like this :- snip Possibly but it seems rather pathetic that we're trusting the future of our kids to people who don't appear to even be able to grasp something as basic as HTML. Sean I know I slate the state of teaching quite often, but it's not teachers who upload stuff onto websites - it's admin staff. Primary schools, for example, have a school secretary who normally has to do pretty much everything (and quite often they only work part time). Collect dinner money, enter register data, phone parents, send out letters - and one of the other tasks is to post newsletters onto the school website. When you think about school secretaries you don't think about people with technological interest, and they certainly aren't going to spend the time reformatting a newsletter in HTML format once they've made it in Word (or even worse, Publisher). Hence, save as a PDF, done. Secondary schools tend to be in a better position as they might employ staff specifically to look after website and VLE (or as part of IT support) - but again, they won't be the one writing the newsletter and they will simply be asked to post it on the website. Blaming the education system in this instance is, in my opinion, missing the point; look at the majority of car manufacturer websites that you can't even view without extra plugins! Having an accessible website is not the primary function of a school, however desirable it might be. Jonathon -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites
On Saturday 11 Jun 2011 09:32:31 Mark Fraser wrote: Just been to look at the website of my daughter's school - https://slp3.somerset.gov.uk/schools/hps/Default.aspx. Is this similar to other school websites in the UK where everything is in either Word, Excel or PPT format both old and new with the help section giving links to viewers? I've tried viewing some of the letters in Libreoffice, but the formatting seems wrong. I've tried looking at the websites of other schools around here, and although most of them are about the same standard as the Huish one, most downloads are in PDF format. I have found a worse one, www.westfieldcommunityschool.co.uk who have an Install Microsoft Silverlight button on the front page. -- Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites
On 11 June 2011 13:33, J Fernyhough j.fernyho...@gmail.com wrote: Collect dinner money, enter register data, phone parents, send out letters - and one of the other tasks is to post newsletters onto the school website. When you think about school secretaries you don't think about people with technological interest, and they certainly aren't going to spend the time reformatting a newsletter in HTML format once they've made it in Word (or even worse, Publisher). Hence, save as a PDF, done. Erm, this is a SCHOOL! If they've got an even remotely competent IT Teacher then he/she could presumably create an appliocation allowing the admin staff to enter the data in a generic form and it to then be rendered both in HTML and PDF format. Surely?!?! And if they put their minds to it Westfield School could ring up Preston school and say fancy our app? and work together... might even get Yeovil College to chip in... Surely SCHOOL websites should showcase the calibre of the teaching - not send kids out into the world joking about how naff their school site is? Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites
On 11 June 2011 14:08, Sean Miller s...@seanmiller.net wrote: Erm, this is a SCHOOL! Sparta? If they've got an even remotely competent IT Teacher Ha, nice one. See previous discussions. :) Plus, primary schools don't have IT teachers, they have class teachers (who might have a specialism, normally Early Years, occasionally in IT). then he/she could presumably create an appliocation allowing the admin staff to enter the data in a generic form and it to then be rendered both in HTML and PDF format. Surely?!?! But why? PDF works fine for most people, without factoring in the effort required and the fact that teachers generally don't have time to mess around writing applications (even if they could). And if they put their minds to it Westfield School could ring up Preston school and say fancy our app? and work together... might even get Yeovil College to chip in... It's a good idea, but someone needs to be able to do it. Surely SCHOOL websites should showcase the calibre of the teaching - not send kids out into the world joking about how naff their school site is? Sean There aren't many who can - and as an OSS community instead of bitching about it why not make it happen? Approach schools with applications and expertise and get the websites sorted out? This was already raised in another discussion about BBC Click - and this is another service the LOCO could provide. Jonathon -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites
On 11/06/11 14:18, J Fernyhough wrote: On 11 June 2011 14:08, Sean Millers...@seanmiller.net wrote: Erm, this is a SCHOOL! Sparta? If they've got an even remotely competent IT Teacher Ha, nice one. See previous discussions. :) Plus, primary schools don't have IT teachers, they have class teachers (who might have a specialism, normally Early Years, occasionally in IT). then he/she could presumably create an appliocation allowing the admin staff to enter the data in a generic form and it to then be rendered both in HTML and PDF format. Surely?!?! But why? PDF works fine for most people, without factoring in the effort required and the fact that teachers generally don't have time to mess around writing applications (even if they could). And if they put their minds to it Westfield School could ring up Preston school and say fancy our app? and work together... might even get Yeovil College to chip in... It's a good idea, but someone needs to be able to do it. Surely SCHOOL websites should showcase the calibre of the teaching - not send kids out into the world joking about how naff their school site is? Sean There aren't many who can - and as an OSS community instead of bitching about it why not make it happen? Approach schools with applications and expertise and get the websites sorted out? This was already raised in another discussion about BBC Click - and this is another service the LOCO could provide. Jonathon i agree, which is one of the things i said earlier, we need to get in and try and help, I work in schools so try and help if /. when I can. paul -- Paul Sutton Cert SLPS (Open) http://www.zleap.net 17th September 2011 - Software freedom day -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites
On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 1:33 PM, J Fernyhough j.fernyho...@gmail.comwrote: I know I slate the state of teaching quite often, but it's not teachers who upload stuff onto websites - it's admin staff. Primary schools, for example, have a school secretary who normally has to do pretty much everything (and quite often they only work part time). Collect dinner money, enter register data, phone parents, send out letters - and one of the other tasks is to post newsletters onto the school website. When you think about school secretaries you don't think about people with technological interest, and they certainly aren't going to spend the time reformatting a newsletter in HTML format once they've made it in Word (or even worse, Publisher). Hence, save as a PDF, done. I couldn't agree more. PDF if by far the easiest option for many schools and probably the most widely viewable format. Whats more interesting is the variety of tools schools are using to create the PDFs, our local schools appear to all be using different tools, Adobe InDesign, Microsoft Publisher, Serif Page Plus etc. At least they have the sense to convert from these to a largely universal format. I couldn't imagine or wouldn't expect a school to be converting a well laid out newsletter produced in dedicated publishing software which is no doubt primarily designed for print into an equally appealing HTML representation. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Decluttering
Hi all -- I am getting rid of some surplus equipment from home, and rather than fuss with Ebay, I thought perhaps someone on the list would be interested. Current techie toys littering the flat include: O2 Joggler (works, briefly used, still in box, replaced with Nook Color Tablet for kitchen computing) £50 Powermat Wireless Charging Pad with 1 USB Charger (new in box, tradeshow gift) £5 Huawei D100 Wireless Router (3 Branded, used as a stop-gap until DSL was installed, no USB modem, just the router) Free EeePC 900 (upgraded with 64 GB SSD, some sort of controller errors lead to constant reformatting, long ago replaced, but complete in box) Free Of course, any free items can be purchased for the price of the first round at any decent hostelry in W1 or NW8. Any shipping and/or packing should be paid by the new owner. If you're interested, reply off-list. I would like to get rid of this stuff in the next week. Pick-up from W1 or NW8 vastly preferred to posting. Kind regards, travis -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites
Surely schools could use something like WordPress? Disclosure - I organise WordCamp UK ;-) -- Tony Scott http://tonyscott.org.uk | http://twitter.com/tonys | http://2011.portsmouth.wordcampuk.org | http://lpd.bectu.com | http://orangecoconut.com From: Will Bickerstaff will.bickerst...@gmail.com To: UK Ubuntu Talk ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com Sent: Saturday, 11 June 2011, 14:39 Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 1:33 PM, J Fernyhough j.fernyho...@gmail.com wrote: I know I slate the state of teaching quite often, but it's not teachers who upload stuff onto websites - it's admin staff. Primary schools, for example, have a school secretary who normally has to do pretty much everything (and quite often they only work part time). Collect dinner money, enter register data, phone parents, send out letters - and one of the other tasks is to post newsletters onto the school website. When you think about school secretaries you don't think about people with technological interest, and they certainly aren't going to spend the time reformatting a newsletter in HTML format once they've made it in Word (or even worse, Publisher). Hence, save as a PDF, done. I couldn't agree more. PDF if by far the easiest option for many schools and probably the most widely viewable format. Whats more interesting is the variety of tools schools are using to create the PDFs, our local schools appear to all be using different tools, Adobe InDesign, Microsoft Publisher, Serif Page Plus etc. At least they have the sense to convert from these to a largely universal format. I couldn't imagine or wouldn't expect a school to be converting a well laid out newsletter produced in dedicated publishing software which is no doubt primarily designed for print into an equally appealing HTML representation. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 30 test drive of Ubuntu: PC world
No I haven't that's a good one! i'll follow it up! -- Sent from my Nokia N900 Please do not send me word documents plain txt or pdf are prefered. - Original message - On Wednesday 08 Jun 2011 09:46:40 Andrés Muñiz Piniella wrote: I've been following up 7 days of this guy fighting a change to Ubuntu from Windows7. Sadly he is finding loads of contradictory messages, rants about linux, rants about mint, rants about nvidia drivers... But a very interesting read. Linux foundation is retweeting every single blogpost. Have you seen Matt Daubneys' attempt at going from Ubuntu to Windows for 30 days? http://daubers.co.uk/2011/06/09/from-linux-to-windows-for-30-days/ -- Registered Linux User #466407 http://counter.li.org -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 30 test drive of Ubuntu: PC world
On 11/06/11 11:42, Matthew Daubney wrote: Maybe someone should write a linux installer that backs up the complete HDD state before install onto one of these disks now they're becoming inexpensive. Hi Matt A special version of say, clonezilla live would probably suffice. In its native state clonezilla live is geeky enough to put the frighteners onto all but the dedicated. I know because the small local club I run (Computing Libre) of several people were interested in this and I used it as a working activity. One had already used it to boot up but got scared soon after. All were bowled over by its speed and usefulness, and now they have seen it in action they seem more confident. I understand that fsarchiver is an app worth looking at too. -- alan cocks Ubuntu user -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 30 test drive of Ubuntu: PC world
alan c wrote: On 11/06/11 11:42, Matthew Daubney wrote: Maybe someone should write a linux installer that backs up the complete HDD state before install onto one of these disks now they're becoming inexpensive. Hi Matt A special version of say, clonezilla live would probably suffice. I think it'd need to be part of the installer rather than another disk to boot from, really. But the speed is entirely dependent upon the speed with which the disks are attached to it - if it's backing up to a USB disk it's never going to be particularly speedy. -- Avi -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Example of difficulty to Convert MS users
On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 13:30 +0100, Sarah Chard wrote: I would be very interested in the women's FOSS advocacy network - keep me posted on that as well Hi Sarah - we hope to have this up and running in the next couple of weeks so will post something here :) Paula -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Example of difficulty to Convert MS users
On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 13:24 +0100, john beddard wrote: Hello Gazz,Sarah : I'm also interested in developing materials in the area of introducing Ubuntu, as a non-profit. So please keep me in the information loop. I would like to contribute. Hi John - yes, that's exactly what we've found. In a lot of London Boroughs, schools have even actually been told they *have* to use specified Microsoft suppliers so we gave up a few years ago. I dunno if we should do another list for people interested in education/non-profit stuff? Is it on-topic for this list? Regards, Paula -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites
I know people with PhDs who won't write HMTL onto an open access academic site I run. It's not that people are too stupid, it's that they're too busy and don't do it often enough to be able to remember the markup between times - and they don't have time/skills to find their own errors when they make them - and the whole page goes wonky. It's a frustrating experience for them. I agree, it's a pain in the arse for *me* downloading pdfs for everything but I do understand why people put them up. My convenience is not the only issue at stake ;) They should, of course, be given a wyswyg CMS - of which there are plenty of FOSS examples - WP, for example, has a 'paste Word document' button. But admin workers or IT teachers usually have little control over these things. School IT teachers and techies are of variable quality but often have very little training and experience and are also often relatively isolated from wider techie networks. The obfuscate and obstruct because that's both the the Microsoft AND public-sector culture they were 'brought up' in and because they have people taking out frustration on them all day and don't want to open out potential areas of 'trouble' by changing to systems they don't know. The solutions to these problems are rarely pure and never simple. People need support and encouragement to change habits and the hydra of the problem usually has multiple heads. We do what we can, but we have very little funding and the people we work with often have even less. It takes patience and baby-steps. I do think the change in gov't policy will help enormously - few gov't employees want to fly in the face of prevailing policy. Paula -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] [marketing] materials for marketing
On 11/06/11 16:51, gazz wrote: On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 13:24 +0100, john beddard wrote: Hello Gazz,Sarah : I'm also interested in developing materials in the area of introducing Ubuntu, as a non-profit. So please keep me in the information loop. I would like to contribute. Hi John - yes, that's exactly what we've found. In a lot of London Boroughs, schools have even actually been told they *have* to use specified Microsoft suppliers so we gave up a few years ago. I dunno if we should do another list for people interested in education/non-profit stuff? Is it on-topic for this list? Regards, Paula Hi Paula, why not simply add marketing into the subject line? We do not have a separate list for UK marketing. -- alan cocks Ubuntu user -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Example of difficulty to Convert MS users
On 11/06/11 16:51, gazz wrote: I dunno if we should do another list for people interested in education/non-profit stuff? Is it on-topic for this list? yes, advocating Ubuntu in the UK education sector is totally on topic for this list. Alan -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] [marketing] materials for marketing
On Sat, 2011-06-11 at 17:40 +0100, alan c wrote: On 11/06/11 16:51, gazz wrote: On Fri, 2011-06-10 at 13:24 +0100, john beddard wrote: Hello Gazz,Sarah : I'm also interested in developing materials in the area of introducing Ubuntu, as a non-profit. So please keep me in the information loop. I would like to contribute. Hi John - yes, that's exactly what we've found. In a lot of London Boroughs, schools have even actually been told they *have* to use specified Microsoft suppliers so we gave up a few years ago. I dunno if we should do another list for people interested in education/non-profit stuff? Is it on-topic for this list? Regards, Paula Hi Paula, why not simply add marketing into the subject line? We do not have a separate list for UK marketing. -- alan cocks Ubuntu user I really don't think of it as 'marketing' . . . -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites
This might be a bit out of subject or opening a completly new can of worms but can't libreoffice save in html format? It can definatly save in pdf. Without installing cutepdf or whatever the schools are using. -- Sent from my Nokia N900 Please do not send me word documents plain txt or pdf are prefered. - Original message - On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 1:33 PM, J Fernyhough j.fernyho...@gmail.comwrote: I know I slate the state of teaching quite often, but it's not teachers who upload stuff onto websites - it's admin staff. Primary schools, for example, have a school secretary who normally has to do pretty much everything (and quite often they only work part time). Collect dinner money, enter register data, phone parents, send out letters - and one of the other tasks is to post newsletters onto the school website. When you think about school secretaries you don't think about people with technological interest, and they certainly aren't going to spend the time reformatting a newsletter in HTML format once they've made it in Word (or even worse, Publisher). Hence, save as a PDF, done. I couldn't agree more. PDF if by far the easiest option for many schools and probably the most widely viewable format. Whats more interesting is the variety of tools schools are using to create the PDFs, our local schools appear to all be using different tools, Adobe InDesign, Microsoft Publisher, Serif Page Plus etc. At least they have the sense to convert from these to a largely universal format. I couldn't imagine or wouldn't expect a school to be converting a well laid out newsletter produced in dedicated publishing software which is no doubt primarily designed for print into an equally appealing HTML representation. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites
On 11/06/11 14:51, Tony Scott wrote: Surely schools could use something like WordPress? Disclosure - I organise WordCamp UK ;-) -- Tony Scott http://tonyscott.org.uk | http://twitter.com/tonys | http://2011.portsmouth.wordcampuk.org | http://lpd.bectu.com | http://orangecoconut.com ** Joomla seems popular with my schools IT staff, and WordPress is used for a few things... http://www.longhill.brighton-hove.sch.uk I know the Network Manager is a member of the Sussex LUG and wrote a piece of software which he licensed under GPL (as far as I remember)... -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Example of difficulty to Convert MS users
On 11/06/11 17:48, Alan Bell wrote: On 11/06/11 16:51, gazz wrote: I dunno if we should do another list for people interested in education/non-profit stuff? Is it on-topic for this list? yes, advocating Ubuntu in the UK education sector is totally on topic for this list. Alan Which list would you suggest please? -- alan cocks Ubuntu user -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] What's in a name?
Hi, I've been using Ubuntu on and off for a couple of years now and have learned a lot from reading the UK Ubuntu Talk emails. I've install Xubuntu many times on older (+5 to -10 years) laptops and I've given these laptops to people to borrow for community projects that I'm working on. It takes them a little while to get out of their Windows or Mac OS way of working but the people that borrow them are eventually impressed by how easy and reliable they are to use. These people are 'Joe Public', they have no tech skills and have no desire to have any tech skills. All they want/need to do is email, use Facebook, surf the Net, write something to print out, maybe watch a DVD and play music. Everyone knows what Windows is because they, their friends, family, neighbours, work colleagues etc use it. Windows is everywhere in Joe Public's world. Some of them use Mac's, sometimes for the same reasons as above for Windows but in my experience it's because it's what they used during further and higher education, ie for creating video's using Final Cut Pro, publishing using In Design etc. They then go into the industry and use FCP etc on Mac's in the workplace. The iPod, iPhone and iPad have also converted many users to the Mac. In my experience when I speak with people about trying, or even switching to, Ubuntu there is always a stumbling block with the name 'Ubuntu' and the names of all the releases, Dapper Drake, Hardy Heron, Karmic Koala, Lucid Lynx, Maverick Meerkat, Natty Narwhal. They just seem to 'switch off' to the whole idea of it. Windows is a familiar word. It's releases have progressive names, Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 7. They sound cool. Mac OS X 'sounds' cool. Its big cat release names sound powerful. Lion is soon to be released and is very cheap. This is cool. If it doesn't sound cool it isn't gonna sell, even if it's free! Any advertising freelancer will tell you this. What's Ubuntu? What's an Ubuntu? The UK market have no concept/comprehension of this word. They have no common frame of reference. They want to know what the word Ubuntu is. I tell them it's a philosophy and that it means, I am what I am because of who we all are. (From a translation offered by Liberian peace activist Leymah Gboweehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leymah_Gbowee .) and that it's an operating system that they can freely install on their PC. I can even give them the wiki definition, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_%28philosophy%29 And by the time I mentioned the names of the releases they have just glazed over. Apart from when I say 'Maverick Meerkat' which is 'cool' because of the TV ads featuring a Meerkat that says, Simples. If Ubuntu is not a cool word = Ubuntu is not cool :( Most of the people that borrow the laptops end up installing a copy of Ubuntu on their home Windows PC so they can dual boot into either, just in case!' They feel much 'safer' using Ubuntu after using it on a free machine for a while, with everything installed for them and working. Only one person I've 'spoken' to about Ubuntu has installed it on there own desktop as their only OS. They came to my house to install it becuase they we're worried something would go wrong. This person really enjoy's using Ubuntu. They took a copy of it to Uni on a bootable flash drive and impressed fellow students and their lecturers when they were able to boot a copy of Ubuntu from a 'pen drive' on a networked Uni PC, and were amazed when they could gain access to files they shouldn't have been able to! This made what Ubuntu could do cool for these people, the name though was not popular. The Ubuntu OS *is* really cool, but *we* know this. The word Ubuntu is cool in our world but from my experience it's not cool in the world of Joe Public. I would really like to find a way to enthuse people about Ubuntu but I don't know how the get past it's name turning them off the idea. Any suggestions, please? Cheers, Tony :) -- -- (:techitone:) -- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] What's in a name?
Windows is a familiar word. It's releases have progressive names, Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 7. They sound cool. Mac OS X 'sounds' cool. Its big cat release names sound powerful. Lion is soon to be released and is very cheap. This is cool. In my experience people use these OSs not because they think they sound cool but because they're on the PC/laptop when they buy it. If it doesn't sound cool it isn't gonna sell, even if it's free! Any advertising freelancer will tell you this. Not at all convinced that sounding cool will help. Until Ubuntu is available pre-installed alongside other PCs/laptops in retail outlets I suspect that the only users are going to be enthusiasts (such as us in this forum) and their friends/relatives who have corrupted their computers and lost their original installation disks! Sorry if this sounds a bit negative. George -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] What's in a name?
These are valuable lessons that we need to take on board Tony. However we are dealing across an international community, where Ubuntu can have different meanings. Not forgetting that Microsoft Windows has very negative image across the world. To the point that most users had to begin using it, because they had no other choice. My first response would to make the name more accessible by the marketing people : U2 Ubuntu. However, probably better, would be the use of graphic characters, something the open-source community has been exceptional at doing. So for example a Natty Narwhale character for the current 11.04 release. Making each major release more memorable. Alternatively, whilst Ubuntu's logo is strong, this characterisation could be done for the school's and young adult market in general. John On Sat, 2011-06-11 at 21:06 +0100, (:techitone:) wrote: Hi, I've been using Ubuntu on and off for a couple of years now and have learned a lot from reading the UK Ubuntu Talk emails. I've install Xubuntu many times on older (+5 to -10 years) laptops and I've given these laptops to people to borrow for community projects that I'm working on. It takes them a little while to get out of their Windows or Mac OS way of working but the people that borrow them are eventually impressed by how easy and reliable they are to use. These people are 'Joe Public', they have no tech skills and have no desire to have any tech skills. All they want/need to do is email, use Facebook, surf the Net, write something to print out, maybe watch a DVD and play music. Everyone knows what Windows is because they, their friends, family, neighbours, work colleagues etc use it. Windows is everywhere in Joe Public's world. Some of them use Mac's, sometimes for the same reasons as above for Windows but in my experience it's because it's what they used during further and higher education, ie for creating video's using Final Cut Pro, publishing using In Design etc. They then go into the industry and use FCP etc on Mac's in the workplace. The iPod, iPhone and iPad have also converted many users to the Mac. In my experience when I speak with people about trying, or even switching to, Ubuntu there is always a stumbling block with the name 'Ubuntu' and the names of all the releases, Dapper Drake, Hardy Heron, Karmic Koala, Lucid Lynx, Maverick Meerkat, Natty Narwhal. They just seem to 'switch off' to the whole idea of it. Windows is a familiar word. It's releases have progressive names, Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 7. They sound cool. Mac OS X 'sounds' cool. Its big cat release names sound powerful. Lion is soon to be released and is very cheap. This is cool. If it doesn't sound cool it isn't gonna sell, even if it's free! Any advertising freelancer will tell you this. What's Ubuntu? What's an Ubuntu? The UK market have no concept/comprehension of this word. They have no common frame of reference. They want to know what the word Ubuntu is. I tell them it's a philosophy and that it means, I am what I am because of who we all are. (From a translation offered by Liberian peace activist Leymah Gbowee.) and that it's an operating system that they can freely install on their PC. I can even give them the wiki definition, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_%28philosophy%29 And by the time I mentioned the names of the releases they have just glazed over. Apart from when I say 'Maverick Meerkat' which is 'cool' because of the TV ads featuring a Meerkat that says, Simples. If Ubuntu is not a cool word = Ubuntu is not cool :( Most of the people that borrow the laptops end up installing a copy of Ubuntu on their home Windows PC so they can dual boot into either, just in case!' They feel much 'safer' using Ubuntu after using it on a free machine for a while, with everything installed for them and working. Only one person I've 'spoken' to about Ubuntu has installed it on there own desktop as their only OS. They came to my house to install it becuase they we're worried something would go wrong. This person really enjoy's using Ubuntu. They took a copy of it to Uni on a bootable flash drive and impressed fellow students and their lecturers when they were able to boot a copy of Ubuntu from a 'pen drive' on a networked Uni PC, and were amazed when they could gain access to files they shouldn't have been able to! This made what Ubuntu could do cool for these people, the name though was not popular. The Ubuntu OS is really cool, but we know this. The word Ubuntu is cool in our world but from my experience it's not cool in the world of Joe Public. I would really like to find a way to enthuse people about Ubuntu but I don't know how the get past it's name turning them off the idea. Any suggestions, please? Cheers, Tony :) -- -- (:techitone:) -- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk
Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites
Teachers have enough on their plate teaching 2-3 subjects. So on top of teaching subjects they didnt do a degree, they now by your standards have to learn HTML etc? Give me a break. School websites are only done as a means to advertise and make the school have an online presence. They do not in majority hire web designers to do them. Most are templates altered to school colours or a teacher designed it that volunteered to create the site using Dreamweaver. That's why so many school websites look alike. Once the website is done its much faster to upload PDF's and point a link to it than create a layout for what is said on said PDF. Time is money and considering teachers don't get paid enough and are mistreated as it is, the last thing they need is to be told to become web designers too. They are schools, not the W3C or anyone linked with web accessibility so its not their responcibility to make sure you can view their website ok on your tablet PC or your Android phone. *Dino Tassigiannis BA (Hons)* http://www.ubuntu.com/ On 11 June 2011 11:01, Sean Miller s...@seanmiller.net wrote: I think schools have a lot to answer for... they're supposed to be educational establishments, yet they seem to fundamentally misunderstand the whole concept of the web... PDFs are fine, for documents that need to be printed consistently (eg. posters for school events) but ALL other information (where possible) should be in plain HTML, marked up in such a way as to be accessible to those on devices from the latest phones to the most basic 800x600 PC... Why should I have to load up a PDF reader to find term times? To find information on some school trip? To get the contact information for the staff? Even worse if it's Word or Excel, but PDF is bad enough. I would like to think that schools flew the flag for accessibile web content etc. yet it seems that they are well behind the times or could it be they're just too lazy? Sean -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites
On 11 June 2011 21:44, Dino T. d...@dinot.co.uk wrote: Teachers have enough on their plate teaching 2-3 subjects. So on top of teaching subjects they didnt do a degree, they now by your standards have to learn HTML etc? Give me a break. Few build web pages in raw html nowadays. No-one should be so doing. School websites are only done as a means to advertise and make the school have an online presence. I don't think those are the right reasons for a school to have a website. it should be there to make life easier for teachers, students and parents. If it is not doing that then it is a waste of effort. They do not in majority hire web designers to do them. Most are templates altered to school colours or a teacher designed it that volunteered to create the site using Dreamweaver. That's why so many school websites look alike. Once the website is done its much faster to upload PDF's and point a link to it than create a layout for what is said on said PDF. Time is money and considering teachers don't get paid enough and are mistreated as it is, the last thing they need is to be told to become web designers too. They are schools, not the W3C or anyone linked with web accessibility so its not their responcibility to make sure you can view their website ok on your tablet PC or your Android phone. On the other hand if to have the data accessible on mobile phone is sufficiently useful to teachers, students or parents then that is a good reason for doing it. Colin -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] What's in a name?
On Sat, 2011-06-11 at 21:42 +0100, john beddard wrote: These are valuable lessons that we need to take on board Tony. However we are dealing across an international community, where Ubuntu can have different meanings. Not forgetting that Microsoft Windows has very negative image across the world. To the point that most users had to begin using it, because they had no other choice. My first response would to make the name more accessible by the marketing people : U2 Ubuntu. However, probably better, would be the use of graphic characters, something the open-source community has been exceptional at doing. So for example a Natty Narwhale character for the current 11.04 release. Making each major release more memorable. Alternatively, whilst Ubuntu's logo is strong, this characterisation could be done for the school's and young adult market in general. John On Sat, 2011-06-11 at 21:06 +0100, (:techitone:) wrote: Hi, I've been using Ubuntu on and off for a couple of years now and have learned a lot from reading the UK Ubuntu Talk emails. I've install Xubuntu many times on older (+5 to -10 years) laptops and I've given these laptops to people to borrow for community projects that I'm working on. It takes them a little while to get out of their Windows or Mac OS way of working but the people that borrow them are eventually impressed by how easy and reliable they are to use. These people are 'Joe Public', they have no tech skills and have no desire to have any tech skills. All they want/need to do is email, use Facebook, surf the Net, write something to print out, maybe watch a DVD and play music. Everyone knows what Windows is because they, their friends, family, neighbours, work colleagues etc use it. Windows is everywhere in Joe Public's world. Some of them use Mac's, sometimes for the same reasons as above for Windows but in my experience it's because it's what they used during further and higher education, ie for creating video's using Final Cut Pro, publishing using In Design etc. They then go into the industry and use FCP etc on Mac's in the workplace. The iPod, iPhone and iPad have also converted many users to the Mac. In my experience when I speak with people about trying, or even switching to, Ubuntu there is always a stumbling block with the name 'Ubuntu' and the names of all the releases, Dapper Drake, Hardy Heron, Karmic Koala, Lucid Lynx, Maverick Meerkat, Natty Narwhal. They just seem to 'switch off' to the whole idea of it. Windows is a familiar word. It's releases have progressive names, Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 7. They sound cool. Mac OS X 'sounds' cool. Its big cat release names sound powerful. Lion is soon to be released and is very cheap. This is cool. If it doesn't sound cool it isn't gonna sell, even if it's free! Any advertising freelancer will tell you this. What's Ubuntu? What's an Ubuntu? The UK market have no concept/comprehension of this word. They have no common frame of reference. They want to know what the word Ubuntu is. I tell them it's a philosophy and that it means, I am what I am because of who we all are. (From a translation offered by Liberian peace activist Leymah Gbowee.) and that it's an operating system that they can freely install on their PC. I can even give them the wiki definition, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_%28philosophy%29 And by the time I mentioned the names of the releases they have just glazed over. Apart from when I say 'Maverick Meerkat' which is 'cool' because of the TV ads featuring a Meerkat that says, Simples. If Ubuntu is not a cool word = Ubuntu is not cool :( Most of the people that borrow the laptops end up installing a copy of Ubuntu on their home Windows PC so they can dual boot into either, just in case!' They feel much 'safer' using Ubuntu after using it on a free machine for a while, with everything installed for them and working. Only one person I've 'spoken' to about Ubuntu has installed it on there own desktop as their only OS. They came to my house to install it becuase they we're worried something would go wrong. This person really enjoy's using Ubuntu. They took a copy of it to Uni on a bootable flash drive and impressed fellow students and their lecturers when they were able to boot a copy of Ubuntu from a 'pen drive' on a networked Uni PC, and were amazed when they could gain access to files they shouldn't have been able to! This made what Ubuntu could do cool for these people, the name though was not popular. The Ubuntu OS is really cool, but we know this. The word Ubuntu is cool in our world but from my experience it's not cool in the world of Joe Public. I would really like to find a way to enthuse people about Ubuntu but I don't know how the get past it's name turning them off the idea. Any
Re: [ubuntu-uk] What's in a name?
On 11/06/11 21:06, (:techitone:) wrote: Windows is a familiar word. It's releases have progressive names, Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 7. They sound cool. not to me, they sound confused. 1, 2, 3, 3.1, 95, 98, NT, 2000, ME, XP, Vista, 7. That is a complete and utter mess, far from progressive it totally fails to form any kind of coherent progression. Mac OS X 'sounds' cool. Its big cat release names sound powerful. Lion is soon to be released and is very cheap. This is cool. Well Oneiric Ocelot is a big cat name, although I suspect Oneiric will perplex and befuddle the vocabulary challenged. Anyhow, once released it should in theory be referred to by the release number, e.g. Ubuntu 11.04. Alan -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] School websites
On Jun 11, 2011 2:40 PM, Will Bickerstaff will.bickerst...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 1:33 PM, J Fernyhough j.fernyho...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] aren't going to spend the time reformatting a newsletter in HTML format once they've made it in Word (or even worse, Publisher). Hence, save as a PDF, done. I couldn't agree more. PDF if by far the easiest option for many schools and probably the most widely viewable format. Whats more interesting is the variety of tools schools are using to create the PDFs, our local schools appear to all be using different tools, Adobe InDesign, Microsoft Publisher, Serif Page Plus etc. At least they have the sense to convert from these to a largely universal format. I couldn't imagine or wouldn't expect a school to be converting a well laid out newsletter produced in dedicated publishing software which is no doubt primarily designed for print into an equally appealing HTML representation. We don't get the PDF version, just the .pub file gets emailed! I must speak to other parents and see how easy they are to view on Windows. I've found a website that converts them... It's a matter of training, time and having the right software - our children brought home a note before half-term apologizing that the Welsh language school cannot do dinner money statements in anything other than English. The software only does English. Cofion/Regards, Neil. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] What's in a name?
On Sat, 11 Jun 2011 22:13:03 +0100 Alan Bell wrote: On 11/06/11 21:06, (:techitone:) wrote: Windows is a familiar word. It's releases have progressive names, Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 7. They sound cool. not to me, they sound confused. 1, 2, 3, 3.1, 95, 98, NT, 2000, ME, XP, Vista, 7. That is a complete and utter mess, far from progressive it totally fails to form any kind of coherent progression. The Windows naming convention is totally baffling. There have been 2 main branches of Windows - DOS based and NT based. The naming scheme seems to be a bit off on both sides: DOS based: + Windows 1 + Windows 2 + Windows 3 + Windows 3.1 + Windows 3.11 + Windows 95 + Windows 98 + Windows ME NT based: + Windows NT 3.1 + Windows NT 3.5 + Windows NT 4.0 + Windows 2000 (NT version 5.0) + Windows XP(NT version 5.1) + Windows Vista (NT version 6.0) + Windows 7 (NT version 6.1) + Windows 8 (NT version 6.2) It is completely non-sensical. Mac OS X 'sounds' cool. Its big cat release names sound powerful. Lion is soon to be released and is very cheap. This is cool. Well Oneiric Ocelot is a big cat name, although I suspect Oneiric will perplex and befuddle the vocabulary challenged. Anyhow, once released it should in theory be referred to by the release number, e.g. Ubuntu 11.04. I have to admit that I've kinda gone off the development names of late. I liked some of the earlier ones, but I really think we could have done better than oneiric ocelot. I know the development name shouldn't be used post release, but considering the codename is used in several places inside an Ubuntu release itself (let along all over the Internet) it would be a shame to deny the name. Grant. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] What's in a name?
On 11/06/11 21:06, (:techitone:) wrote: In my experience when I speak with people about trying, or even switching to, Ubuntu there is always a stumbling block with the name 'Ubuntu' and the names of all the releases, Dapper Drake, Hardy Heron, Karmic Koala, Lucid Lynx, Maverick Meerkat, Natty Narwhal. They just seem to 'switch off' to the whole idea of it. A name is a brand identity and it simply depends on marketing and how it is sold. How silly is it to have a camera called Canon? A computer called Windows? A drink called coke? Shoes called Nike? Ipod?? Lucky Goldstar (LG)? How much professional marketing is done for the brand 'Ubuntu'? I am in close contact with a user population just like yours, Joe and Jill. An elderly friend I help calls it 'Ubunti' and who cares? I do not. The important point is that they do not want to use Windows! (which is also on their machine). I gave a recycled Ubuntu PC to someone yesterday, who arrived with a black (English born) friend. The friend was interested and had simply not been aware of anything like Ubuntu, only Windows. They had enough African knowledge to know what the ubuntu philosophy meant. They even knew that my anglicised pronunciation was wrong (You buntu) and were a bit amused.. BTW, I *never* talk to Joe and Jill about names of versions, at all. Usually I would not even say what the version *number* was. If you find the names etc are 'too much information' what about not offering so much detail, it sounds as if it is not welcomed anyway? -- alan cocks Ubuntu user -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] keyring password
Usually when I log in I have the keyring password pop-up to request my password. Normally I would write this once and it would mean that chats, email, diffusion, cloud,... password would be set. It now asks for the password 3 times in a row. I do not remember doing anything special. but I have a guess: start up applications: /usr/bin/gnome-keyring-daemon --start --components=ssh /usr/bin/gnome-keyring-daemon --start --components=pkcs11 /usr/bin/gnome-keyring-daemon --start --components=secrets now, the shh I think I have installed something called remote desktop to attempt to help someone from overseas. Never used it in the end and don't think I will. can I safely uninstall it and this will remove it from the start-up applications and will not let anybody shh to my computer? Don't know that the other two are. -- Mi ordenador es: Linux andres-laptop 2.6.38-8-generic #42-Ubuntu SMP Mon Apr 11 03:31:50 UTC 2011 i686 GNU/Linux -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Barebones pc.
What sort of power usage do these microserver have? Lee On 10/06/11 10:06, Roger Lancefield wrote: On 10 June 2011 09:30, Dave Hansond...@hansonforensics.co.uk wrote: Morning all, I'm toying with the idea of buying a barebones pc from maplins to run web server on. (potentially more) I would quite like a dual core processor and a gig or so of ram £120, the rest i can beg borrow and steal. It should obviously be compatible with Ubuntu so does anyone have any recommendations as to anywhere else to pick one up? Plus One for Popey's recommendation. I also recently bought an HP Microserver back in December. As he says, small, quiet, and (if the cash-back offers are still available), within your budget. I'm using mine as a domestic file and development server. It's running the desktop version of 10.04 flawlessly. Roger -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] email list not working in evolution (emails missing)
I'm using evolution to read ubuntu lists that I have set-up in a digest. This shows first the list of emails and then the emails in a sort of sub-email format. But some of my emails are missing and I cannot see a pattern. I was suggested it might be spam but I have looked at my personal spam box in evolution and I don't see anything. It doesn't seem user related nor subject related. I'll give the last digests: ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 74, Issue 32 (1, 4 5 are missing) ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 74, Issue 31 (3 5 are missing) ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 74, Issue 30 (2, 3, 7 8 missing) ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 74, Issue 29 (1, 2, 4, 5 7 missing) As you can see it's almost half of the emails I am missing. NOTE: I can see the emails in bulk in gmail.com none missing. I can also see them in the sub email format in my n900 (I believe it is also evolution). This has been bugging me for months and I quickly asked in IRC the other day(thanks for listening!). -- Por favor no me adjuntes documentos office. Prefiero *.pdf o documentos de texto *.txt -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: Re: Heads up, gcdmaster no longer available in Oneiric.
On Sat, 2011-06-11 at 00:54 +, Luke Kuhn wrote: If this situation develops and key apps don't get ported to GTK3, that will force someone, presumably a serious user of these apps, to maintain the old libraries in a PPA along with those apps. Until I figured out how to get Audacious to play .wav files, I had to keep GTK 1.2 around so I could run an old version of XMMS that went unsupported after Gutsy. Ran it most of the way though Natty! If everyone had to do this for, say, audacity, audacious, etc etc etc it would simply force the availablity of these libraries, possibly though in a hodgepodge of multiple PPA's. If that ever happnes, people will have to go out of their way to either avoid versioned dependency on their version of GTK2, or will have to resort static compilation. Under this scenario, GTK 2 apps would be treated like Blender and Cinelerra, which simply have their own GUI interfaces. Hopefully, this will instead work like what happened with kdenlive, one of my key apps. In KDE3.5 it worked but was seriously buggy. KDE4 forced a proper rewrite, leading to a far better program, and nobody that I know of ever looked back. Took about a year after KDE4 came out, though, for that sort of thing to stabilize. Maybe we need to consider the 12.04 LTS the target for getting this porting right, with developers expected to start the work for 11.10 but accept that in some cases it might be 12.04? Still, Anything really important that is unmaintained or which does not cleanly port to GTK3 for some reason probably will end up having to be compiled with GTK2 staticly included. http://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-user/2011-June/079007.html The author is mistaken. Packagers being payed or not aren't always incompetent, at least all/most multimedia packagers are competent. But IMO things really get screwed up, full ACK with the author's claim. The Linux community for servers and averaged desktop usage departs from the multimedia community. OTOH the vanilla kernel became a RT kernel. We now should monitor the progress and protest if needed and it currently seems to be needed. I would call myself a noob, OTOH I guess no Linux audio user is a noob, since we all have to do some tweak. It's a pity that it nearly seems to be impossible for multimedia users simply to use distros OOTB. I guess a lot of the averaged desktop users never have heard about shell scripts, while every audio user at least is able to write simple shell scripts. Artist very often are gifted for this programing stuff, but they don't wish to do such stuff, because they decide to live as artist and not as coders. Booking and other annoying stuff already is a PITA, so tweak a Linux, writing scripts, switching the DE is the very last a musician which to do. When I have a look around non of my friends is using Linux. I'm the only one. FWIW a friend through his Mac out of the window and now others and me constantly have to do Microsoft support for him. I balk to do it by now, not only because I don't like this company, but also because I don't have knowledge about Windows. Anyway, it seems nearly impossible to convince people to switch to Linux. They tested Linux and fear it. Regards, Ralf -- Ubuntu-Studio-devel mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: 3g modem issue (MF668)
--- On Sat, 11/6/11, Chris Robinson fabricat...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Chris Robinson fabricat...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: 3g modem issue (MF668) To: ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com Received: Saturday, 11 June, 2011, 10:59 AM * I am think they are living in a black spot, they use moblie phones so that seams unlikely Not really, being able to talk on a mobile phone and being able to use 3G are completely different issues. In my experience if you have anything less than 50% signal strength your ability to use 3G can be seriously compromised, or non-existent. the connection manager (software) show four or five bars of signal strength were they live they can't get a land line and he needs Internet for his home work -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Patch pilot Report 2011-06-10
Benjamin Drung [2011-06-11 9:16 +0200]: Am Freitag, den 10.06.2011, 13:09 +0200 schrieb Didier Roche: Those issues where we loose contributor and our time just for ensuring and reporting commits in the right branch make me think that for desktop team branch (as most of them are in ~ubuntu-desktop/package_name/ubuntu, we should maybe point the canonical branch (lp:ubuntu/pakage_name) to them? Same with compiz which is under ~compiz? Yes, please use lp:ubuntu/package_name. Last time I talked to James, he said that the lp:ubuntu/ branches should only be full-source ones, not the debian/ only branches that the desktop team uses in their branches. I'd actually prefer if the lp:ubuntu/branch would not be created in the first place for packages which already have Vcs-Bzr: pointing to launchpad. Martin -- Martin Pitt| http://www.piware.de Ubuntu Developer (www.ubuntu.com) | Debian Developer (www.debian.org) signature.asc Description: Digital signature -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
Re: Patch pilot Report 2011-06-10
Benjamin Drung bdr...@ubuntu.com wrote: Am Freitag, den 10.06.2011, 13:09 +0200 schrieb Didier Roche: Those issues where we loose contributor and our time just for ensuring and reporting commits in the right branch make me think that for desktop team branch (as most of them are in ~ubuntu-desktop/package_name/ubuntu, we should maybe point the canonical branch (lp:ubuntu/pakage_name) to them? Same with compiz which is under ~compiz? Yes, please use lp:ubuntu/package_name. Aren't the ubuntu-desktop branches /debian only branches and the canonical UDD branches are full source branches? It seems to me these should not be mixed in the same namespace. Scott K -- ubuntu-devel mailing list ubuntu-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel
[ubuntu-ec] Invitación a conectarnos en LinkedIn
LinkedIn Ubuntu-EC, Me gustaría añadirte a mi red profesional en LinkedIn. -Cornelio Cornelio Sacaquirin docente en Colegio Técnico Nacional Macas Ecuador Confirma que conoces a Cornelio Sacaquirin https://www.linkedin.com/e/uwqflb-got3tgme-42/isd/3184269207/r_ug7Ogf/ -- (c) 2011, LinkedIn Corporation-- Ubuntu-ec mailing list Ubuntu-ec@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-ec
[Ubuntu-BR] Absolute Radio
Alguem poderia me dizer o streaming de todos os generos dessa radio para colocar no banshees? So encontrei, na net, que funcione, o do genero classic rock... Abs, -- Ubuntu 11.04 Natty Narwhal x86 César de A. Ferreira Ubuntu User # 26536 Linux User # 355727 -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br
Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Bluetooth desabilitado
Bão, josé? Em 10 de junho de 2011 13:04, José Aniceto anicet...@ig.com.br escreveu: Isso tá dizendo que ele tá ativo, já testou. Sim, tentei enviar um arquivo para o computador, mas ele (o computador) não é encontrado pelo meu Nokia E71 Obrigado, -- Abraços, Marconi www.marconipires.wordpress.com www.poliuretano.wordpress.com -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br
Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Bluetooth desabilitado
Veja na configuração do bluetooth para torná-lo visível. (aqui estou com o com o Kubuntu, é só clicar no ícone e clicar em visível). Aniceto -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br
Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Selecionar apenas a porção do nome, tem como ?
Eu uso o 10.10 e ele marca apenas o nome e não a extensão. Acho que isso é configuração. Em 10-06-2011 11:28, Nelson Corrêa escreveu: Caríssimos, Idem no meu Natty, tanto paraF2 quanto parabotão direito+renomear, só marca o nome e não marca a extensão do arquivo. Deve ter sido alguma instalação de script ou outra coisa. Abraços e sucesso, Nelson On 06/10/2011 11:16 AM, Laudeci Oliveira wrote: No meu ele não marca a extensão, marca só o nome mesmo. 11.04 --- Laudeci Oliveira Official Ubuntu Member Red Hat Certified Technician Tecnólogo em Sistema de Informação Em 10 de junho de 2011 11:12, hamackersirhamac...@gmail.com escreveu: As versões anteriores do GNOME, ao pressionar F2 (renomear), marcavam apenas a porção do nome do arquivo sem marcar a extensão. Isso era bom porque raramente pretendia alterar a extensão também. Mas nas versões recentes do GNOME 10.10 e 11.04, o F2 simplesmente marca o nome inteiro do arquivo. Alguem na lista já descobriu como faz para reverter essa situação, isto é, voltar a selecionar apenas a porção do nome do arquivo ? []'s a todos. -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br
Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Selecionar apenas a porção do nome, tem como ?
Aqui no 10.10 funciona de todo jeito (modo ícone, lista...), seleciona apenas o nome do arquivo sem a extensão. Continuo achando que se trata de alguma configuração no Nautilus ou no Editor de Configurações do Gnome. Em 11-06-2011 00:22, Sidney escreveu: 11.04 Aqui modo lista também seleciona a extensão. 2011/6/10 Paulo Henrique Colenpaulo.co...@gmail.com Matou a charada Hamacker... Em modo Icones, só não seleciona extensão, modo lista seleciona tudo. Em 10 de junho de 2011 14:50, Nelson Corrêanelson.ubu...@gmail.com escreveu: Hamacker, Muito estranho esse bug. No meu Natty (instalado limpo), em qualquer uma das três opções de visualização do Nautilus só me marca para alteração o nome do arquivo, deixando sempre a mesma extensão. Insetos! :-) Abraços e sucesso, Nelson On 06/10/2011 01:01 PM, hamacker wrote: Achei esse problema no buglist do Ubuntu : https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=627110 Parece se tratar de um bug quando usamos o modo list mode do nautilus, o qual é o meu preferido por dar mais detalhes do arquivo. Quem lista arquivos no modo ícone aparentemente não é afetado pelo problema (eu mesmo testei aqui). Vou te falar, parece um bug proposital, aparentemente só foi corrigido no 11.10 que ainda nem existe. Legal, até a 11.10 fico sem correção. Em 10 de junho de 2011 12:54, hamackersirhamac...@gmail.com escreveu: Muito estranho, pois minhas instalações são sempre limpas e logo em seguida sigo uma rotina discriminada em : http://hamacker.wordpress.com/ubuntu-perfeito/ubuntu-perfeito-faca-voce-mesmo/ Não vejo como algo alí poderia modificar este comportamento. Mas na próxima instalação vou observar, sem o meu passo-a-passo se o F2 funciona semelhante ao 10.04. []'s Em 10 de junho de 2011 11:28, Nelson Corrêanelson.ubu...@gmail.com escreveu: Caríssimos, Idem no meu Natty, tanto paraF2 quanto parabotão direito+renomear, só marca o nome e não marca a extensão do arquivo. Deve ter sido alguma instalação de script ou outra coisa. Abraços e sucesso, Nelson On 06/10/2011 11:16 AM, Laudeci Oliveira wrote: No meu ele não marca a extensão, marca só o nome mesmo. 11.04 --- Laudeci Oliveira Official Ubuntu Member Red Hat Certified Technician Tecnólogo em Sistema de Informação Em 10 de junho de 2011 11:12, hamackersirhamac...@gmail.com escreveu: As versões anteriores do GNOME, ao pressionar F2 (renomear), marcavam apenas a porção do nome do arquivo sem marcar a extensão. Isso era bom porque raramente pretendia alterar a extensão também. Mas nas versões recentes do GNOME 10.10 e 11.04, o F2 simplesmente marca o nome inteiro do arquivo. Alguem na lista já descobriu como faz para reverter essa situação, isto é, voltar a selecionar apenas a porção do nome do arquivo ? []'s a todos. -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br
Re: [Ubuntu-BR] RES: [OFF] Empathy não conecta mais nenhuma das contas
Tenta executar o Empathy pelo Terminal e a cada comando efetuado na janela aparece algo no Terminal e você poderá ficar sabendo de erros... Em 10-06-2011 22:41, Ísis Forioni Bragaia escreveu: Todos os meus aplicativos sociais tão funcionando normalmente, com exceção do Gwibber. Adiciono minha conta, autorizo, mas continuo sem receber as mensagens. Ísis Forioni Bragaia Unesp Sorocaba Graduanda em Engenharia Ambiental Professora de Biologia do Cursinho GeraBixo Mensagem original De: César de Araújocesar.de.araujo.ferre...@gmail.com Enviada: Para: 'Lista de discussão do LoCoTeam Brasileiro'ubuntu-br@lists.ubuntu.com Assunto: [Ubuntu-BR] RES: [OFF] Empathy não conecta mais nenhuma das contas Aqui funciona de boa...normalmente quando ligo o note, abro o mensageiro, as contas de transmissão (twitter e facebook), Firefox (com gmail e reader abertos), thunderbird, terminator e nautilus. Todos funcionam sem problemas...Tenho contas no mensageiro do gtalk, Hotmail, yahoo e ICQ. Abs, Cesar -Mensagem original- De: ubuntu-br-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-br-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com] Em nome de Zandre Bran Enviada em: sexta-feira, 10 de junho de 2011 19:04 Para: Lista de discussão do LoCoTeam Brasileiro Assunto: Re: [Ubuntu-BR] [OFF] Empathy não conecta mais nenhuma das contas 2011/6/10 Paulo de Souza Limapaulo.s.l...@gmail.com: Minha conta do gtalk não conecta no empathy se eu estiver logado no Gmail, iGoogle, Google docs, etc. Já dei isso como certo e não reclamo mais... Que legal hein... Por estas e outras que quando usava Gnome temei em ficar no pidgin. -- []s -- Zandre. :: https://launchpad.net/~zandrebran :: http://www.linuxacessivel.org :: Centro de Computação - Unicamp: - Toca GNUuuu :) -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br
Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Covergloobus X Ubuntu 11.04
Boa tarde. O ppa do covergloobus não funciona no ubuntu 11.04 (nem no 10.10). Para instala-lo, baixe o .deb do launchpad: - x64: https://launchpad.net/~gloobus-dev/+archive/covergloobus/+files/covergloobus_1.7-6_amd64.deb - x32: https://launchpad.net/~gloobus-dev/+archive/covergloobus/+files/covergloobus_1.7-6_i386.deb Após a instalação, note que o covergloobus vai ficar com um quadrado gtk na volta dele. Para arrumar isto, sega os seguintes passos: 1 - Instale o CCSM ($ sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager); 2 - Abra o Gerenciador de configurações do CompizConfig (Sistema Preferencias); 3 - Vá na opção Decorações da Janela; http://s3.postimage.org/2tdtih8fp/Captura_de_tela_Gerenciador_de_configura_es_do.png 4 - Adicione uma nova regra em Decorações das janelas (no icone +), com as seguintes opções: Tipo: Classe da janela Valor: Covergloobus.py Relação: E Inverter: *marque* http://s3.postimage.org/2tdv60kxh/Captura_de_tela_Gerenciador_de_configura_es_do.png http://s3.postimage.org/2tdruxvxx/Captura_de_tela_Editar_resultado.png 5 - Clique adicionar (vai ficar algo como (any) !(class=Covergloobus.py) no campo onde estava o any) Pronto! :) Att, Em 10 de junho de 2011 23:38, César de Araújo cesar.de.araujo.ferre...@gmail.com escreveu: Pessoas, eh soh comigo, ou o Cover funciona com o 11.04? Segui alguns passos da net para instalar (ubuntued - Andre Gondim), adiciono a chave, o repositorio e quando mando atualizar, da erro justamente no repositorio. Todos falam da beleza do Cover e eu queria instalar, porem nao consigo. A forma que faco esta errada? Abs, -- Ubuntu 11.04 Natty Narwhal x86 César de A. Ferreira Ubuntu User # 26536 Linux User # 355727 -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br -- Gustavo Gattino user Linux #481711 -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br
[Ubuntu-BR] RES: Covergloobus X Ubuntu 11.04
Caraca Gustavo, esse bixim da um trabalhinho para rodar ne? Cara, valeu pela aula de Cover...te devo uma!!! Grande abraco e bom fim de semana!!! Cesar -Mensagem original- De: ubuntu-br-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-br-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com] Em nome de Gustavo Gattino Enviada em: sábado, 11 de junho de 2011 14:35 Para: Lista de discussão do LoCoTeam Brasileiro Assunto: Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Covergloobus X Ubuntu 11.04 Boa tarde. O ppa do covergloobus não funciona no ubuntu 11.04 (nem no 10.10). Para instala-lo, baixe o .deb do launchpad: - x64: https://launchpad.net/~gloobus-dev/+archive/covergloobus/+files/covergloobus _1.7-6_amd64.deb - x32: https://launchpad.net/~gloobus-dev/+archive/covergloobus/+files/covergloobus _1.7-6_i386.deb Após a instalação, note que o covergloobus vai ficar com um quadrado gtk na volta dele. Para arrumar isto, sega os seguintes passos: 1 - Instale o CCSM ($ sudo apt-get install compizconfig-settings-manager); 2 - Abra o Gerenciador de configurações do CompizConfig (Sistema Preferencias); 3 - Vá na opção Decorações da Janela; http://s3.postimage.org/2tdtih8fp/Captura_de_tela_Gerenciador_de_configura_e s_do.png 4 - Adicione uma nova regra em Decorações das janelas (no icone +), com as seguintes opções: Tipo: Classe da janela Valor: Covergloobus.py Relação: E Inverter: *marque* http://s3.postimage.org/2tdv60kxh/Captura_de_tela_Gerenciador_de_configura_e s_do.png http://s3.postimage.org/2tdruxvxx/Captura_de_tela_Editar_resultado.png 5 - Clique adicionar (vai ficar algo como (any) !(class=Covergloobus.py) no campo onde estava o any) Pronto! :) Att, Em 10 de junho de 2011 23:38, César de Araújo cesar.de.araujo.ferre...@gmail.com escreveu: Pessoas, eh soh comigo, ou o Cover funciona com o 11.04? Segui alguns passos da net para instalar (ubuntued - Andre Gondim), adiciono a chave, o repositorio e quando mando atualizar, da erro justamente no repositorio. Todos falam da beleza do Cover e eu queria instalar, porem nao consigo. A forma que faco esta errada? Abs, -- Ubuntu 11.04 Natty Narwhal x86 César de A. Ferreira Ubuntu User # 26536 Linux User # 355727 -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br -- Gustavo Gattino user Linux #481711 -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br
[Ubuntu-BR] Comandos de Restauração do Painel. O que significam?
Prezada Comunidade, não sei como, o botão de Reiniciar/Desligar sumiu de meu Ubuntu 10.04. Pesquisando na internet, cheguei à indicação dos seguintes comandos, que restauraram o Painel a uma situação inicial, resolvendo a questão: *gconftool-2 --shutdown rm -rf ~/.gconf/apps/panel pkill gnome-panel* Não tenho idéia do que significarm esses comandos nem de seus argumentos. ALLguém por aqui estaria disposto a descrever a finalidade de cada uma dessas três linhas? Grato desde já! Paulo -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br
Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Comandos de Restauração do Painel. O que significam?
O comando realmente necessário é o segundo e fazer logoff e logar novamente. Este comando apaga as configurações feitas para os paineis do gnome, forçando que as configurações padrão sejam aplicadas ao ser feito o próximo login. Em 11-06-2011 19:33, Paulo Fernandes escreveu: Prezada Comunidade, não sei como, o botão de Reiniciar/Desligar sumiu de meu Ubuntu 10.04. Pesquisando na internet, cheguei à indicação dos seguintes comandos, que restauraram o Painel a uma situação inicial, resolvendo a questão: *gconftool-2 --shutdown rm -rf ~/.gconf/apps/panel pkill gnome-panel* Não tenho idéia do que significarm esses comandos nem de seus argumentos. ALLguém por aqui estaria disposto a descrever a finalidade de cada uma dessas três linhas? Grato desde já! Paulo -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br
Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Mobile Media Converter
Quando ainda era usuário ®uíndous usava um excelente programa pra esse tipo de trabalho, o FormatFactory. Com ele fazia trabalhos de conversão de: - Imagens; - Sons; - Vídeos; - CD MP3; - DVD arquivo de vídeo; - CSO ISO. Após entrar no mundo livre, me sinto de mãos atadas quanto ao processo de conversão de arquivos pois ainda não achei um equivalente a altura. Alguém me indica um que faça isso? Cordialmente Brenno Emanuel PS.: Já li sobre o ConvertIt mas nunca consegui instala-lo. Em 9 de junho de 2011 11:46, Emilio Fernandes emili...@gmail.com escreveu: Opa, Hoje mesmo vi um softaware que parece muito bom, não sei se faz o lote todo de uma vez, mas é muito fácil de usar. Gnac http://gnac.sourceforge.net/ abraço Em 9 de junho de 2011 11:37, neth...@logbin.net neth...@logbin.net escreveu: On Thu, 9 Jun 2011 11:36:12 -0300 neth...@logbin.net neth...@logbin.net wrote: On Thu, 9 Jun 2011 14:10:20 + ramao martins ramao.mart...@gmail.com wrote: César de Araújo, o ffmpeg tem uma página que tem muitas possibilidades. Eu não usei ainda para ogg -- mp3, mas quando usei, escrevi uma linha de comando que na época deu certo e coloquei os arquivos que queria converter um após o outro com espaço e obtive êxito. Foi trabalhoso, mas saiu tudo bem no final. ramao.mart...@gmail.com Se ajudar... sempre usei o sound converter dos repositórios para converter de off para mp3 com excelentes resultados. Desculpem, errei no teclado: de ogg para mp3 -- nethell (Salles) Ubuntu user 24389 Linux user 496632 -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br -- Emilio Seidel Fernandes Tec. Desenvolvimento de Sistemas Distribuídos - UTFPR Curitiba -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br
Re: [Ubuntu-BR] .ODS com problema 1
Bom, Fiz um tutorial na base do software gratuito entretanto no windows e o tutorial é esse: https://docs.google.com/document/d/16XmzozVB_BGoxJIdMhljmSGSMG50Q95PbitUt4Talao/edit?hl=en_USauthkey=CIGfz9II 2011/6/9 Paulo de Souza Lima paulo.s.l...@gmail.com Em 9 de junho de 2011 08:50, Humberto Fraga xisbe...@gmail.com escreveu: Em 9 de junho de 2011 05:35, Adair Junior adair.i...@gmail.com escreveu: Bom, explicando para outras pessoas a frente e que procurarem por este mesmo erro venho confessar que no linux ainda deixa muito a desejar na questão de movimentação do código do arquivo xml Arquivos xml podem ter vários tipos de conteúdo, não apenas tabelas. Você procurou por uma solução genérica para um caso de uso específico, por isso não encontrou. +1. -- Humberto Fraga http://lixaonerd.wordpress.com Sur la tuta tero estis unu lingvo kaj unu parlomaniero. - Gn 11,1 -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br -- Paulo de Souza Lima Técnico em Eletrônica e Administrador http://www.pasl.net.br http://almalivre.wordpress.com Curitiba - PR Linux User #432358 Ubuntu User #28729 -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br -- Adair Junior Technical Support | Skype: adair-junior Home Page: www.lesnerds.com Blog: adair-junior.blogspot.com Twitter: www.twitter.com/adairjr81 -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br
[Ubuntu-BR] RES: Mobile Media Converter
Srs, o erro foi meu (tolice)!!! Gosto do mobile media converter, por ser pequeno e me atende no que pretendo (conversões simples de áudio e vídeo). Queria converter um lote de arquivos e não vi que estava na minha cara escrito para arrastar o conjunto para a tela do programa que o mesmo fazia conversão de todos sistematicamente :-) Após me aperceber de minha idiotice, voltei a ser feliz com o dito cujo!!! Abraços a todos com as dicas. César de Araújo -Mensagem original- De: ubuntu-br-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com [mailto:ubuntu-br-boun...@lists.ubuntu.com] Em nome de Brenno Emanuel Enviada em: sábado, 11 de junho de 2011 20:37 Para: Lista de discussão do LoCoTeam Brasileiro Assunto: Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Mobile Media Converter Quando ainda era usuário ®uíndous usava um excelente programa pra esse tipo de trabalho, o FormatFactory. Com ele fazia trabalhos de conversão de: - Imagens; - Sons; - Vídeos; - CD MP3; - DVD arquivo de vídeo; - CSO ISO. Após entrar no mundo livre, me sinto de mãos atadas quanto ao processo de conversão de arquivos pois ainda não achei um equivalente a altura. Alguém me indica um que faça isso? Cordialmente Brenno Emanuel PS.: Já li sobre o ConvertIt mas nunca consegui instala-lo. Em 9 de junho de 2011 11:46, Emilio Fernandes emili...@gmail.com escreveu: Opa, Hoje mesmo vi um softaware que parece muito bom, não sei se faz o lote todo de uma vez, mas é muito fácil de usar. Gnac http://gnac.sourceforge.net/ abraço Em 9 de junho de 2011 11:37, neth...@logbin.net neth...@logbin.net escreveu: On Thu, 9 Jun 2011 11:36:12 -0300 neth...@logbin.net neth...@logbin.net wrote: On Thu, 9 Jun 2011 14:10:20 + ramao martins ramao.mart...@gmail.com wrote: César de Araújo, o ffmpeg tem uma página que tem muitas possibilidades. Eu não usei ainda para ogg -- mp3, mas quando usei, escrevi uma linha de comando que na época deu certo e coloquei os arquivos que queria converter um após o outro com espaço e obtive êxito. Foi trabalhoso, mas saiu tudo bem no final. ramao.mart...@gmail.com Se ajudar... sempre usei o sound converter dos repositórios para converter de off para mp3 com excelentes resultados. Desculpem, errei no teclado: de ogg para mp3 -- nethell (Salles) Ubuntu user 24389 Linux user 496632 -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br -- Emilio Seidel Fernandes Tec. Desenvolvimento de Sistemas Distribuídos - UTFPR Curitiba -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br
[Ubuntu-BR] Não Visualizo o que fiz no php
Boa noite pessoal, Bom eu estou com um sistema operacional do linux ubuntu e instalei o php, mysql, apache entretanto eu tenho dois arquivos -inicio index.php-- ?php centerobrigado/center; ? -fim index.php- ***separação de um arquiuvo do outro inicio index.html--- html center Ola mundo /center /html -fim index.html--- O arquivo index.html eu consigo visualizar o Ola mundo já o index.php a página no browser (chrome e firefox) fica em branco me imposibilitanto de enxergar o conteudo do codigo php. Alguém pode me ajudar? O teste.php eu consigo visualizar as informações de configuração - php version 5.3.2-1ubuntu4.9 - System Linux desktop 2.6.32-21-generic - Apache Version Apache/2.2.14 (Ubuntu) - Loaded Modules core mod_log_config mod_logio prefork http_core mod_so mod_alias mod_auth_basic mod_authn_file mod_authz_default mod_authz_groupfile mod_authz_host mod_authz_user mod_autoindex mod_cgi mod_deflate mod_dir mod_env mod_mime mod_negotiation mod_php5 mod_reqtimeout mod_setenvif mod_status - Hostname:Port 127.0.1.1:80 - DOCUMENT_ROOT /var/www Obrigado -- Adair Junior Technical Support | Skype: adair-junior Home Page: www.lesnerds.com Blog: adair-junior.blogspot.com Twitter: www.twitter.com/adairjr81 -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br
Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Não Visualizo o que fiz no php
Em 11-06-2011 22:06, Adair Junior escreveu: Boa noite pessoal, Bom eu estou com um sistema operacional do linux ubuntu e instalei o php, mysql, apache entretanto eu tenho dois arquivos -inicio index.php-- ?php centerobrigado/center; ? -fim index.php- ***separação de um arquiuvo do outro inicio index.html--- html center Ola mundo/center /html -fim index.html--- O arquivo index.html eu consigo visualizar o Ola mundo já o index.php a página no browser (chrome e firefox) fica em branco me imposibilitanto de enxergar o conteudo do codigo php. Alguém pode me ajudar? Esse seria uma questão mais apropriada em uma lista de php, então recomendaria que você se inscreve em uma, porque ela não tem exatamente a ver com o ubuntu, porque não é um problema de configuração do php/apache/mysql no ubuntu. Respondendo: Você esta fazendo errado, dentro das tags ?php e ? pode conter apenas codigo php e não html puro, veja o seguinte exemplo, usa como index,php: html poi/p ?php echo(pOla/p); ? /html Da maneira que eu fiz irá funcionar, pois estou usando um comando php (echo) para mostrar código html. Fernando Correa da Conceição http://www.jaguaribe.net -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br
Re: [Ubuntu-BR] Não Visualizo o que fiz no php
Fernando, Obrigado, consegui e sei que tenho que estudar mais php Abração 2011/6/11 Fernando Conceição conceicao.ferna...@gmail.com Em 11-06-2011 22:06, Adair Junior escreveu: Boa noite pessoal, Bom eu estou com um sistema operacional do linux ubuntu e instalei o php, mysql, apache entretanto eu tenho dois arquivos -inicio index.php-- ?php centerobrigado/center; ? -fim index.php- ***separação de um arquiuvo do outro inicio index.html--- html center Ola mundo/center /html -fim index.html--- O arquivo index.html eu consigo visualizar o Ola mundo já o index.php a página no browser (chrome e firefox) fica em branco me imposibilitanto de enxergar o conteudo do codigo php. Alguém pode me ajudar? Esse seria uma questão mais apropriada em uma lista de php, então recomendaria que você se inscreve em uma, porque ela não tem exatamente a ver com o ubuntu, porque não é um problema de configuração do php/apache/mysql no ubuntu. Respondendo: Você esta fazendo errado, dentro das tags ?php e ? pode conter apenas codigo php e não html puro, veja o seguinte exemplo, usa como index,php: html poi/p ?php echo(pOla/p); ? /html Da maneira que eu fiz irá funcionar, pois estou usando um comando php (echo) para mostrar código html. Fernando Correa da Conceição http://www.jaguaribe.net -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br -- Adair Junior Technical Support | Skype: adair-junior Home Page: www.lesnerds.com Blog: adair-junior.blogspot.com Twitter: www.twitter.com/adairjr81 -- Mais sobre o Ubuntu em português: http://www.ubuntu-br.org/comece Lista de discussão Ubuntu Brasil Histórico, descadastramento e outras opções: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-br
Re: [Ubuntu-be] Joining the webteam and helping out
On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 7:34 AM, Jurgen Gaeremyn jurgen.gaere...@pandora.be wrote: Is it your dream to write custom code? (great, then it's a good idea to look into how to develop extensions for Drupal) If I'm correct Pierre is developing a support point map extension that is already working - but there's pretty much space for improvement (f.e. integration with google maps, or openstreetmaps if you prefer that). Actually, we do have an openstreet powered map now. :D -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be
Re: [Ubuntu-be] ubuntu braai
Hey guys, I decided on a date and closed the doodle. The braai will be on (rolling drums)... *Saturday 16 July 2011, starting from 5pm onwards*. I explained the proceedings below, but that is not a tight schedule. The message is: we're keeping it casual, and you're still welcome if you can't come bang on time. Do mark it in your calendars. Please send me a mail if you'd like to attend. Attendance limited to about a dozen. If you'd like to bring a partner or friend, they are most welcome. Just let me know. Also let me know if you will bring your own meat and/or booze, or if you'd like me to cater for you and pass on the cost. I'll order us some good weather so long. Cheers, Jan. On 23 May 2011 11:27, Jan Bongaerts jbongae...@gmail.com wrote: (the following message contains South African slang. If you are lost in translation, there are plenty of web sites that will help you out with it. Google is your friend. The Wikipedia list is kak, don't bother) Howzit! As promised I'll be organising a lekker South African braai at our place. Jurgen suggested to publish a Doodle with some date proposals, so here goes: http://doodle.com/f2i9h2gsrsp6hz2i Please do fill in your name and the dates you are available if you wish to attend. How will this braai work? Basically anyone is invited, but we do have a logistic limit of 10 to 15 people on our terrace. The weather needs to be dry for the occasion. If it rains, we need to shift the venue or the date. I have access to pretty accurate forecasts so I can tell you at least a day in advance. South Africans are very casual with their braai. If you happen to have a friend that wants to come along last minute, he/she is welcome to join. Your friends are our friends too. Because of this, the logistics are just as casual. We do cater for those who want it. We'll have to shop for it ourselves and anyone can just ask to buy something for them as well. Many people prefer to bring their own 'dop en tjop'. Then they know they'll like the meat that's on the fire, and the booze that is available. We will have the basics: lager beer, wine, cola, water, and salads and snacks. We will have braaivleis according to our own taste. If you wish we should cater for you, by all means, just let us know. There may be some boerewors if we can get hold of some. We usually get some sosaties and chops from the local butchery. You can try your skills on our vuvuzela's if you wish. (Don't give your opinion now. It will all change once you have a few 'doppe' in you.) We usually start our braai early. We get together from about 5pm onwards, and the fires are usually started at around 7pm (actually after sunset, but this is not recommendable in summer in Belgium). It gives us enough time to talk shit, have some snacks, and drink! They have a saying: Meestal is die mense gaar voor die vleis gaar is. (Usually the people are 'cooked' before the meat is cooked). Starting early has the added advantage that the party is usually over well before midnight, and you still have the opportunity to catch the last train. No need to drink and drive. But if you don't feel like going home that night, we always have a spare bed or two, and you are welcome to just kip until the morning. Obviously there is no dress code for the occasion. Most people come in shorts and plakkies if it's warm enough. So kom maak 'n draai en kuier saam met ons. We're going to have a moerse party. Cheers, Jan. -- Microsoft programs are like Englishmen. They only speak Microsoft. -- Microsoft programs are like Englishmen. They only speak Microsoft. -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be
Re: [Ubuntu-be] Joining the webteam and helping out
On 06/11/2011 10:30 AM, Pierre Buyle wrote: On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 7:34 AM, Jurgen Gaeremyn jurgen.gaere...@pandora.be wrote: Is it your dream to write custom code? (great, then it's a good idea to look into how to develop extensions for Drupal) If I'm correct Pierre is developing a support point map extension that is already working - but there's pretty much space for improvement (f.e. integration with google maps, or openstreetmaps if you prefer that). Actually, we do have an openstreet powered map now. :D Great job! I like that you used OSM :) Grtz, Jurgen. -- ubuntu-be mailing list / mailto:ubuntu-be@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-be
[Bug 776103] Re: package open-vm-dkms 2011.03.28-387002-0ubuntu2 fails to build against 2.6.39 kernels, due to missing linux/smp_lock.h
Nate, your efforts are much appreciated and I'll be following them with great interest. While I still use the proprietary VMWare Tools [8.4.6 Build 385536] on my Ubuntu 11.04 guest [kernel 2.6.39-3], they seem to be quite broken on Debian Sid [kernel 2.6.39-1]. I was quite sure they would still build on the rc7 kernel for which Debian Unstable obliged me to create my own kbuild infrastructure (quite educational for a novice). Since the Debian version, even in Unstable, is quite ancient [8.4.2-261024-1], I am becoming quite desperate. Desperate enough to perhaps install an Ubuntu package on Debian ;-) Cheers. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to open-vm-tools in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/776103 Title: package open-vm-dkms 2011.03.28-387002-0ubuntu2 fails to build against 2.6.39 kernels, due to missing linux/smp_lock.h To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/open-vm-tools/+bug/776103/+subscriptions -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 795714]
** Attachment added: attachment https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/795714/+attachment/2164812/+files/attachment -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to cheetah in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/795714 Title: Please merge cheetah 2.4.4-2 (main) from debian unstable (main) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cheetah/+bug/795714/+subscriptions -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 795714] Re: Please merge cheetah 2.4.4-2 (main) from debian unstable (main)
Attached Debdiff from Debian to Ubuntu. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to cheetah in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/795714 Title: Please merge cheetah 2.4.4-2 (main) from debian unstable (main) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cheetah/+bug/795714/+subscriptions -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 784797] Re: [Natty] freshclam.conf has invalid characters and cannot be parsed
I purged clamav and freshclam, then purged downloaded packages. Then I switched my mirror from the default U.S. mirror to anl.gov, and reinstalled both packages. On reinstallation, the freshclam dpkg configuration no longer has the proxy info autofilled, and the final configuration file has no errors. Looks like this was a case of a faulty package download, so thanks for the verification! Marking the bug as invalid. ** Changed in: clamav (Ubuntu) Status: Incomplete = Invalid -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to clamav in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/784797 Title: [Natty] freshclam.conf has invalid characters and cannot be parsed To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/clamav/+bug/784797/+subscriptions -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 795714] Re: Please merge cheetah 2.4.4-2 (main) from debian unstable (main)
This bug was fixed in the package cheetah - 2.4.4-2ubuntu1 --- cheetah (2.4.4-2ubuntu1) oneiric; urgency=low * Merge from debian unstable. (LP: #795714) Remaining changes: - debian/control: Rename Vcs-* to XS-Debian-Vcs-*. - Drop Build-Depends on python-markup, as it's in universe and only used -- if available -- for tests * Dropped changes: - debian/rules: Run testsuite cheetah/Tests/Test.py during build - debian/rules: Add PATH=$(CURDIR)/build/scripts-$buildver:$PATH and PYTHONPATH=$(CURDIR)/build/lib.*-$buildver when running testsuitej + debian runs test suite now - Add debian/patches/02_fedora_cheetah_2.7_compat.patch from Fedora to + This is fixed in upstream cheetah now. -- Scott Moser smo...@ubuntu.com Fri, 10 Jun 2011 15:55:11 -0400 ** Changed in: cheetah (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed = Fix Released -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to cheetah in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/795714 Title: Please merge cheetah 2.4.4-2 (main) from debian unstable (main) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cheetah/+bug/795714/+subscriptions -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 791221] Re: Nova's test suite fails with python 2.7.2rc1
** Changed in: python Status: New = Invalid -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to nova in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/791221 Title: Nova's test suite fails with python 2.7.2rc1 To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/791221/+subscriptions -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 795506] Sync excalibur-logkit 2.0-5 (main) from Debian unstable (main)
2011-06-11 11:22:41 INFOexcalibur-logkit_2.0.orig.tar.gz: already in distro - downloading from librarian 2011-06-11 11:22:41 INFO - excalibur-logkit_2.0-5.debian.tar.gz: downloading from http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ [Updating] excalibur-logkit (2.0-4ubuntu1 [Ubuntu] 2.0-5 [Debian]) * Trying to add excalibur-logkit... 2011-06-11 11:22:41 INFO - excalibur-logkit_2.0-5.dsc: downloading from http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ 2011-06-11 11:22:41 INFO - excalibur-logkit_2.0.orig.tar.gz: cached I: excalibur-logkit [main] - libexcalibur-logkit-java_2.0-4ubuntu1 [main]. ** Changed in: excalibur-logkit (Ubuntu) Status: Confirmed = Fix Released -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to excalibur-logkit in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/795506 Title: Sync excalibur-logkit 2.0-5 (main) from Debian unstable (main) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/excalibur-logkit/+bug/795506/+subscriptions -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 531912] Re: /etc/init.d/ssh seems to work, but actually upstart is used.
** Description changed: While trying to get x-forwarding on Lucid to work, I edited /etc/default/ssh to add the -4 flag, as offered as a work-around in various bugreports. When trying to restart ssh using /etc/init.d/ssh, all seems to work but my flags around passed to sshd. It seems that ssh is actually managed by upstart, which is great, but you cannot really tell. For other services, there are symlinks to /lib/init, for ssh there isn't. So I assumed that ssh is still managed using /etc/init.d/ Please clarify the use of upstart (for ssh) for users, so they don't spend hours trying to debug what shouldn't be debugged. :) + + == SRU Justification == + + Impact: this bug causes quite a bit of confusion for users, which is + particularly troubling considering SSH is often the only way headless + systems can be accessed post-installation. The change will avoid the + half-in half-out situation that some people are dealing with where they + mix /etc/init.d/ssh with using the 'service' command or upstart + start/stop/initctl commands. + + Dev fix: A check has been added to the included init.d script which + checks to see if it is being run in a chroot, and if not, it runs + /lib/init/upstart-job in much the same way it is usually run when + symlinked from /etc/init.d. + + TEST CASE: + + 1. start a system with openssh-server installed + 2. run 'sudo status ssh' to verify that ssh has been started by upstart. + 3. run 'sudo stop ssh' to stop the upstart job. + 4. run 'sudo /etc/init.d/ssh start'. It should start sshd without upstart. + 5. run 'sudo status ssh' to verify that the ssh upstart job is not running + 6. run 'sudo /etc/int.d/ssh stop' to stop the incorrectly managed sshd. + 7. install new package with patched init.d script + 8. repeat steps 2 through 4. now it should display a disclaimer like this: + Rather than invoking init scripts through /etc/init.d, use the service(8) + utility, e.g. service ssh start + + Since the script you are attempting to invoke has been converted to an + Upstart job, you may also use the start(8) utility, e.g. start ssh + + + Regression Potential: + + There may be users who are expecting this script to work outside of + chroots. They would have to achieve this by modifying the start on or + removing the /etc/init/ssh.conf. The latter case is handled directly in + the code by checking for its existence. The former will also be handled + on reboot, but not on upgrades. The upgrade will cause the script to be + unable to stop any sshd that is running via the old method. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to openssh in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/531912 Title: /etc/init.d/ssh seems to work, but actually upstart is used. To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openssh/+bug/531912/+subscriptions -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 561750] Re: squid starts and stops immediately (after upgrade from karmic to lucid)
Ernst, thanks for verifying on maverick. We still need somebody to verify on lucid! -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to squid in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/561750 Title: squid starts and stops immediately (after upgrade from karmic to lucid) To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/squid/+bug/561750/+subscriptions -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
Re: [Bug 715056] Re: invalid ssl-certificates in /etc/postfix/main.cf after security upgrade
Excerpts from Tim White's message of Fri Jun 10 22:48:53 UTC 2011: Lucid-proposed works great. Thanks for the quick bugfix. How soon before we'll see it in Lucid-updates? Hi Tim, glad its working for you. The package needs to be in -proposed for 7 days to shake out any regressions, and we need it verified on both lucid and maverick. Would be great to have an experienced user fire up a maverick VM and try it out. :) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to dovecot in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/715056 Title: invalid ssl-certificates in /etc/postfix/main.cf after security upgrade To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dovecot/+bug/715056/+subscriptions -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
Re: [Bug 604998] Re: open-vm-tools (CLI tools) recommends gui tools
Excerpts from Oliver Brakmann's message of Fri Jun 10 21:50:55 UTC 2011: Thanks Clint! I don't know if anybody has noticed this yet, but this problem exists in Ubuntu only. The same package in Debian merely suggests: open-vm- toolbox. Oh, and the changelog gives the reason why: LP #391224. I guess we have conflicting interests here. Personally, I'd argue for dropping the recommends: back to a suggests: as well. Good point Oliver. With software center, I think a strong case can be made that there is no good reason anymore. Searching for 'vmware' or 'vmware tools' or 'vmware guest' only shows toolbox, because software center defaults to showing packages with a .desktop file. Synaptic and aptitude are both for expert users who should be able to see why they didn't get GUI because it clearly says that it is the command line tools. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to open-vm-tools in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/604998 Title: open-vm-tools (CLI tools) recommends gui tools To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/open-vm-tools/+bug/604998/+subscriptions -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 795983] [NEW] package postfix 2.8.2-1ubuntu2.1 failed to install/upgrade: el subproceso script pre-installation nuevo devolvió el código de salida de error 128
Public bug reported: Binary package hint: postfix not installed, not descharged. ProblemType: Package DistroRelease: Ubuntu 11.04 Package: postfix 2.8.2-1ubuntu2.1 ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.38-8.42-generic-pae 2.6.38.2 Uname: Linux 2.6.38-8-generic-pae i686 Architecture: i386 Date: Sat Jun 11 12:48:20 2011 ErrorMessage: el subproceso script pre-installation nuevo devolvió el código de salida de error 128 InstallationMedia: Ubuntu 11.04 Natty Narwhal - Release i386 (20110427.1) SourcePackage: postfix Title: package postfix 2.8.2-1ubuntu2.1 failed to install/upgrade: el subproceso script pre-installation nuevo devolvió el código de salida de error 128 UpgradeStatus: No upgrade log present (probably fresh install) ** Affects: postfix (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Tags: apport-package i386 natty -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to postfix in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/795983 Title: package postfix 2.8.2-1ubuntu2.1 failed to install/upgrade: el subproceso script pre-installation nuevo devolvió el código de salida de error 128 To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/postfix/+bug/795983/+subscriptions -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 795983] Re: package postfix 2.8.2-1ubuntu2.1 failed to install/upgrade: el subproceso script pre-installation nuevo devolvió el código de salida de error 128
-- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to postfix in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/795983 Title: package postfix 2.8.2-1ubuntu2.1 failed to install/upgrade: el subproceso script pre-installation nuevo devolvió el código de salida de error 128 To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/postfix/+bug/795983/+subscriptions -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 785171] [NEW] Samba works or may not work quite random
You have been subscribed to a public bug: 1) When I click on Places/Network with the firewall disabled it usually shows my other home computers and does a mount on my desktop when I click them. Once mounted I can enable the firewall and access their shared files from the mount. 2) With all firewalls disabled I often get only the windows network icon and it's empty. It was working as per item 1 last week and all that I've done is to run the updates and updated all of a few hundred megs of stuff. I've been fiddling with this on and off for ages and think I've got it fixed only to fall down next time I use networks. I'm running 10.4 by the way. Ian. ** Affects: samba (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New -- Samba works or may not work quite random https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/785171 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to samba in Ubuntu. -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 776103] Re: package open-vm-dkms 2011.03.28-387002-0ubuntu2 fails to build against 2.6.39 kernels, due to missing linux/smp_lock.h
Don't use the ones in Debian unstable because they're using a kernel that requires a module (vmmemctl) in the Tools. The newer kernels (like the ones in Natty/Oneiric) have said module in the kernel. Also as of right now, the Stable Tools (and the unstable ones currently in the repo) don't support the 2.6.39. Although, I guess Oneiric is going with the 3.0 Kernel (I just check the packages Launchpad page). So what I'm suggesting might be irrelevant. As I said I've tried compiling the May 2011 release modules of open-vm- tools, and even with the issues with the open-vm-toolbox, I got all the modules SUCCESSFULLY compiled. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to open-vm-tools in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/776103 Title: package open-vm-dkms 2011.03.28-387002-0ubuntu2 fails to build against 2.6.39 kernels, due to missing linux/smp_lock.h To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/open-vm-tools/+bug/776103/+subscriptions -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 785171] Re: Samba works or may not work quite random
Assigning package --- Ubuntu Bug Squad volunteer triager http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad ** Package changed: ubuntu = samba (Ubuntu) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to samba in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/785171 Title: Samba works or may not work quite random To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/samba/+bug/785171/+subscriptions -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 785052] Re: Update whois server for .*.ua zones
** Patch added: 23_22.diff https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/whois/+bug/785052/+attachment/2165641/+files/23_22.diff -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to whois in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/785052 Title: Update whois server for .*.ua zones To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/whois/+bug/785052/+subscriptions -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 568687] Re: Bulit vm image file retains random temp filename
** Also affects: server-papercuts Importance: Undecided Status: New -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to vm-builder in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/568687 Title: Bulit vm image file retains random temp filename To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/server-papercuts/+bug/568687/+subscriptions -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 715056] Re: invalid ssl-certificates in /etc/postfix/main.cf after security upgrade
I happened to have a 10.10 server in my VirtualBox and can confirm this latest package does not change the postfix configuration. root@ubuntu:/etc# git status # On branch master nothing to commit (working directory clean) root@ubuntu:/etc# apt-get install dovecot-common Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following extra packages will be installed: dovecot-imapd dovecot-pop3d Suggested packages: ntp The following packages will be upgraded: dovecot-common dovecot-imapd dovecot-pop3d 3 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 17 not upgraded. Need to get 7,866kB of archives. After this operation, 0B of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue [Y/n]? y Get:1 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick-proposed/main dovecot-pop3d amd64 1:1.2.12-1ubuntu8.3 [1,097kB] Get:2 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick-proposed/main dovecot-imapd amd64 1:1.2.12-1ubuntu8.3 [1,204kB] Get:3 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ maverick-proposed/main dovecot-common amd64 1:1.2.12-1ubuntu8.3 [5,565kB] Fetched 7,866kB in 8s (980kB/s) (Reading database ... 42297 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to replace dovecot-pop3d 1:1.2.12-1ubuntu8.2 (using .../dovecot-pop3d_1%3a1.2.12-1ubuntu8.3_amd64.deb) ... Unpacking replacement dovecot-pop3d ... Preparing to replace dovecot-imapd 1:1.2.12-1ubuntu8.2 (using .../dovecot-imapd_1%3a1.2.12-1ubuntu8.3_amd64.deb) ... Unpacking replacement dovecot-imapd ... Preparing to replace dovecot-common 1:1.2.12-1ubuntu8.2 (using .../dovecot-common_1%3a1.2.12-1ubuntu8.3_amd64.deb) ... dovecot stop/waiting Unpacking replacement dovecot-common ... Processing triggers for ureadahead ... Processing triggers for ufw ... Processing triggers for man-db ... Setting up dovecot-common (1:1.2.12-1ubuntu8.3) ... You already have ssl certs for dovecot. dovecot start/running, process 3434 Setting up dovecot-pop3d (1:1.2.12-1ubuntu8.3) ... Setting up dovecot-imapd (1:1.2.12-1ubuntu8.3) ... root@ubuntu:/etc# git status # On branch master nothing to commit (working directory clean) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to dovecot in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/715056 Title: invalid ssl-certificates in /etc/postfix/main.cf after security upgrade To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dovecot/+bug/715056/+subscriptions -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
[Bug 755755] Re: package postfix 2.8.2-1ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 75
[Expired for postfix (Ubuntu) because there has been no activity for 60 days.] ** Changed in: postfix (Ubuntu) Status: Incomplete = Expired -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Server Team, which is subscribed to postfix in Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/755755 Title: package postfix 2.8.2-1ubuntu1 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 75 To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/postfix/+bug/755755/+subscriptions -- Ubuntu-server-bugs mailing list Ubuntu-server-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-server-bugs
