Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Full Circle Magazine #13 - OUT NOW!

[Matthew Rossi]

That's strange.  Normally you don't submit tanything FCM to digg after what
happened the last time...

On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 9:14 AM, Ronnie Tucker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Full Circle Magazine - Issue #13
>
> Full Circle - the Independent Magazine for the Ubuntu Linux Community
> are proud to announce the release of our thirteenth issue.
>
> This month:
>
>* Flavor of the Month - Ubuntu 8.04 Hardy Heron.
>* How-To : Organize an Ubuntu Demo Day/Party, TV Feast for Ubuntu,
>  Using GIMP Part 2, Create Your Own Server Part 5 and Automatic
>  Backup via Email.
>* My Opinion - What is Web 2.0?
>* MOTU Interview - Luca Falavigna
>* Letters, Q&A, MyDesktop, Top5 and more!
>
> Get it while it's hot:
> http://fullcirclemagazine.org/2008/05/30/issue-13-out-now/
>
> And if you're feeling extra generous, why not give us a Digg?
> http://digg.com/linux_unix/Full_Circle_FREE_Linux_Magazine_13_is_OUT
> Oh go on, you know you want to.  :D
>
> Thanks!
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[ubuntu-marketing] Full Circle Magazine #13 - OUT NOW!

[Ronnie Tucker]

Full Circle Magazine - Issue #13

Full Circle - the Independent Magazine for the Ubuntu Linux Community 
are proud to announce the release of our thirteenth issue.

This month:

* Flavor of the Month - Ubuntu 8.04 Hardy Heron.
* How-To : Organize an Ubuntu Demo Day/Party, TV Feast for Ubuntu,
  Using GIMP Part 2, Create Your Own Server Part 5 and Automatic
  Backup via Email.
* My Opinion - What is Web 2.0?
* MOTU Interview - Luca Falavigna
* Letters, Q&A, MyDesktop, Top5 and more!

Get it while it's hot:
http://fullcirclemagazine.org/2008/05/30/issue-13-out-now/

And if you're feeling extra generous, why not give us a Digg?
http://digg.com/linux_unix/Full_Circle_FREE_Linux_Magazine_13_is_OUT
Oh go on, you know you want to.  :D

Thanks!

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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed

[James Tait]

John Botscharow wrote:
> PLEASE respond with your time zone ASAP so this meeting can happen and
> we can get this team doing what it supposed to do - MARKETING!!!

UTC+1 (another from the UK)

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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed

[John Botscharow]

On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 15:55 -0500, John Vilsack wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> That's veeery interesting, as Arte Johnson used to say on
> Laugh In.
> As soemeone wha has a very strong background in the social
> sciences, I
> feel that natural selection, for the humans species, is more
> culturally
> influenced than for say chimps or gorillas. We can control,
> either
> consciously or unconsciosusly, our own future as a species;.
> Right now
> it's more unconscious than conscious.
> 
> My meaning is that if we define things definitively from a project
> management viewpoint similar to the way our developers handle bugs and
> feature requests, people will naturally pick items from the list and
> work on them...the roles that we envision or predict may be far
> different than those people are actually suited for in this
> situation. 
> 
> 
> 
Defining things definitely - that will be the hard part. You and I are
coming at the same problems but from differet directions. However we get
to the solution is fine with me as long as we get there.


> 
> This is true, but, certain roles can only be filled by one
> person at a
> time, for instance, Fearless Leader. If more than one person
> is willing
> and able to fill that role, then the team needs to decide by a
> democratic vote. That is the point I was trying to make. No
> one should
> be asked to do something they do not want to do, and I
> certainly hope
> that I did not imply otherwise.
> 
> 
> I respectfully disagree.  In fact, I would challenge to say that given
> the decided lack of action up to this point we all see from this
> group, appointing a single person in a top down approach is the
> absolute wrong thing to do.

And the decided lack of action, IMHO, has been due to the lack strong
leadership, whether a single person or a troika. And there won't be any
sustained action until there is leadership - someone to encourage,
cajole, prod people into action. 
> 
> My recommedation is to nominate from the floor at least three members
> of the group to form the core-marketers team that would be voted on in
> a manner deemed appropriate by either the Community Council or by a
> quorum at a marketing meeting.  From there, this new "council" could
> begin accepting applications to the core group based on similar
> qualifications that exist within the core-developers process.

IMHO, the leadership - single or collective - needs two wualifications
and twoonly: 1] they have the necessary skills and background in
marketing; 2] they have the skills and talents to lead

Personally, I feel the team itself needs to pick its leadership not have
it imposed from outside the team. Leaderahip chosen by the team itself
will have an easier time leading than that imposed by someone outside
the team. Also, its more democratic that way.

> 
> Assuming that three members are chosen, it could also be determined by
> the three that an "executive override" position could be created if
> the need for a final vote came up.
> 
> This should be alot less about titles and alot more about getting
> things done.  A team of three is able to keep each others'
> responsibilities, workloads, and accountabilities in check.

Amen to that Besides, Fearless Leader(s) has a nice ring to it LOL
> 
> Maintaining a strong and inviting atmosphere that allows new members
> to be welcomed with open arms and integrate tightly into the existing
> workload is a tough job.  You have to balance ego, people's
> expectations of how we will respond to them and their needs, and a
> healthy respect for their pro-bono time and effort they are dedicating
> to the project you are responsible for.

I understand your point. Been there, on both sides of the equation.
> 
> I'm modeling my ideas based on a similar experience founding a 501(c)3
> charity I helped found.  Its not a perfect science, but when people
> have nothing but good intentions reinforcing their discipline and
> commitment to a project, you have to hold that in the highest of
> regards.

I am quite familiar with the model. I have served on several 501c3
boards of directors as well as being the director of development for one
- first as a volunteer and later, when the agency was profitable, as a
paid position. 
> 
> Thanks,
> John
> 
> 
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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed

[John Vilsack]

>
>
> That's veeery interesting, as Arte Johnson used to say on Laugh In.
> As soemeone wha has a very strong background in the social sciences, I
> feel that natural selection, for the humans species, is more culturally
> influenced than for say chimps or gorillas. We can control, either
> consciously or unconsciosusly, our own future as a species;. Right now
> it's more unconscious than conscious.


My meaning is that if we define things definitively from a project
management viewpoint similar to the way our developers handle bugs and
feature requests, people will naturally pick items from the list and work on
them...the roles that we envision or predict may be far different than those
people are actually suited for in this situation.


> This is true, but, certain roles can only be filled by one person at a
> time, for instance, Fearless Leader. If more than one person is willing
> and able to fill that role, then the team needs to decide by a
> democratic vote. That is the point I was trying to make. No one should
> be asked to do something they do not want to do, and I certainly hope
> that I did not imply otherwise.
>

I respectfully disagree.  In fact, I would challenge to say that given the
decided lack of action up to this point we all see from this group,
appointing a single person in a top down approach is the absolute wrong
thing to do.

My recommedation is to nominate from the floor at least three members of the
group to form the core-marketers team that would be voted on in a manner
deemed appropriate by either the Community Council or by a quorum at a
marketing meeting.  From there, this new "council" could begin accepting
applications to the core group based on similar qualifications that exist
within the core-developers process.

Assuming that three members are chosen, it could also be determined by the
three that an "executive override" position could be created if the need for
a final vote came up.

This should be alot less about titles and alot more about getting things
done.  A team of three is able to keep each others' responsibilities,
workloads, and accountabilities in check.

Maintaining a strong and inviting atmosphere that allows new members to be
welcomed with open arms and integrate tightly into the existing workload is
a tough job.  You have to balance ego, people's expectations of how we will
respond to them and their needs, and a healthy respect for their pro-bono
time and effort they are dedicating to the project you are responsible for.

I'm modeling my ideas based on a similar experience founding a 501(c)3
charity I helped found.  Its not a perfect science, but when people have
nothing but good intentions reinforcing their discipline and commitment to a
project, you have to hold that in the highest of regards.

Thanks,
John
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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] wiki use

[John Botscharow]

On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 21:07 +0100, alan c wrote:
> John
> I  certainly sympathise. I can just about edit a wiki now
> The technique I use is careful copy paste of existing entries :-) then 
> Edit, then I use Preview
>   and more of the same.
> Once I could use the preview, and then save if necessary, things 
> became less stressful.

I finally figured that out too; I have used code from the team wiki to
set up a subpage menu on my own wiki.
> 
> What about starting a thread here of wiki help?

That might not be a bad idea, but I think we should wait on setting up
additional threads until AFTER we have the meeting stuff clarified, and
maybe even wait until after the meeting itself. I think we can organize
the meeting using this list if we all stay focused on the one goal of
getting the meeting set up. I suspect there may even be a wiki tutorial
somewhere on the site, but don't ask me where yet. I have not looked for
it yet, but I will when I can afford the distraction ::-) Learning wiki
code is not real high on my list of priorities right now.

> 
> alan cocks
> 
> 
> John Botscharow wrote:
> > Ruben,
> > 
> > What you say about the wiki may be true, but the fact is that most
> > people who are currently participating on this list are NOT using the
> > wkiki, and I suspect the reason for that is that they, like me, are
> > unfamiliar with how it works. 
> > 
> > I am learning wiki code by working on my personal wiki, but I am not
> > going to mess with the team wiki, especially the meeting page, until I
> > have a better handle on the code used.
> > 
> > As you said, organizing a meeting is our main priority, and like you, I
> > am trying to get that meeting organized as quickly as possible. It was
> > suggested by Vid that we use the wiki to do that and I was responding to
> > that suggestion, pointing out why I felt that was unfeasible at this
> > point. For this meeting, at least, let's continue to get this meeting
> > organized using the list. I think this is the best way for maximum
> > participation.
> > 
> > On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 10:58 +, Rubén Hubuntu wrote:
> >> The idea with wikis is to do collaborative work in an incremental phase.
> >> 
> >> I see your point, but after hanging around for a while I found out
> >> that the best way to make impact within your community activities is
> >> to use the wiki as a cooperative tool. And yes, it means an effort in
> >> learning the syntax (and yes, I know it is nightmarish, but you will
> >> be happy you did :)
> >> 
> >> So everybody needs to get involved in the general maintenance of the
> >> wiki page, and certainly a core group is going to raise to adress this
> >> issue. But let us just get a meeting arranged and we take it from
> >> there, will you all folks?
> >> 
> >> Next week, say wednesday/thursday?
> >> 
> >> This thread is about finding a passing date for the meeting, let us
> >> keep this in foucs. Else we are just going around in circles...
> >> 
> >> R.
> >> 
> >> On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 10:48 AM, John Botscharow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> >> wrote:
> >> > Vid,
> >> >
> >> > The problem with your suggestion is that it assumes everyone is
> >> > comfortable using the Wiki. I took a look at  the meeting page, and as
> >> > someone who is just learning how to use wiki code, I am reluctant to
> >> > touch that page for fear of messing it up. We all seem to know how to
> >> > use email :-)
> >> >
> >> > A suggestion: Perhaps someone on the team who actually monitors this
> >> > list amd who knows wiki code could volunteer to update the team wiki
> >> > pages on, say, a daily basis.
> >> >
> >> > Anyone want to take that on? Having an up-to-date wiki page would do
> >> > much to help keep the team organized.
> >> >
> >> > Peace!
> >> >
> >> > John
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 03:02 +0100, VidA wrote:
> >> >> On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 10:23 PM, John Botscharow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >> > We need to hear from everyone re: their time zone so that we can get
> >> >>
> >> >> Folks, do add your preferences on the meetings wikipage[1], which has
> >> >> a schedule for prefered individual  timings.
> >> >> After the meeting date is fixed, please mail this list with a CC to
> >> >> the fridge list and it will be put on the Fridge.
> >> >>
> >> >> [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Meetings
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Vid
> >> >> || http://www.svaksha.com ||
> >> >>
> >> > --
> >> > Peace!
> >> >
> >> > John
> >> >
> >> > You do have choice on what operating system you use:
> >> > http://www.ubuntu.com/
> >> >
> >> > I am an Ubuntu user!
> >> > My profile: https://launchpad.net/~jbotscharow
> >> > My wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JohnBotscharow
> >> >
> >> > --
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> >> >
> >> >
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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] wiki use

[alan c]

John
I  certainly sympathise. I can just about edit a wiki now
The technique I use is careful copy paste of existing entries :-) then 
Edit, then I use Preview
  and more of the same.
Once I could use the preview, and then save if necessary, things 
became less stressful.

What about starting a thread here of wiki help?

alan cocks


John Botscharow wrote:
> Ruben,
> 
> What you say about the wiki may be true, but the fact is that most
> people who are currently participating on this list are NOT using the
> wkiki, and I suspect the reason for that is that they, like me, are
> unfamiliar with how it works. 
> 
> I am learning wiki code by working on my personal wiki, but I am not
> going to mess with the team wiki, especially the meeting page, until I
> have a better handle on the code used.
> 
> As you said, organizing a meeting is our main priority, and like you, I
> am trying to get that meeting organized as quickly as possible. It was
> suggested by Vid that we use the wiki to do that and I was responding to
> that suggestion, pointing out why I felt that was unfeasible at this
> point. For this meeting, at least, let's continue to get this meeting
> organized using the list. I think this is the best way for maximum
> participation.
> 
> On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 10:58 +, Rubén Hubuntu wrote:
>> The idea with wikis is to do collaborative work in an incremental phase.
>> 
>> I see your point, but after hanging around for a while I found out
>> that the best way to make impact within your community activities is
>> to use the wiki as a cooperative tool. And yes, it means an effort in
>> learning the syntax (and yes, I know it is nightmarish, but you will
>> be happy you did :)
>> 
>> So everybody needs to get involved in the general maintenance of the
>> wiki page, and certainly a core group is going to raise to adress this
>> issue. But let us just get a meeting arranged and we take it from
>> there, will you all folks?
>> 
>> Next week, say wednesday/thursday?
>> 
>> This thread is about finding a passing date for the meeting, let us
>> keep this in foucs. Else we are just going around in circles...
>> 
>> R.
>> 
>> On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 10:48 AM, John Botscharow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > Vid,
>> >
>> > The problem with your suggestion is that it assumes everyone is
>> > comfortable using the Wiki. I took a look at  the meeting page, and as
>> > someone who is just learning how to use wiki code, I am reluctant to
>> > touch that page for fear of messing it up. We all seem to know how to
>> > use email :-)
>> >
>> > A suggestion: Perhaps someone on the team who actually monitors this
>> > list amd who knows wiki code could volunteer to update the team wiki
>> > pages on, say, a daily basis.
>> >
>> > Anyone want to take that on? Having an up-to-date wiki page would do
>> > much to help keep the team organized.
>> >
>> > Peace!
>> >
>> > John
>> >
>> > On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 03:02 +0100, VidA wrote:
>> >> On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 10:23 PM, John Botscharow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > We need to hear from everyone re: their time zone so that we can get
>> >>
>> >> Folks, do add your preferences on the meetings wikipage[1], which has
>> >> a schedule for prefered individual  timings.
>> >> After the meeting date is fixed, please mail this list with a CC to
>> >> the fridge list and it will be put on the Fridge.
>> >>
>> >> [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Meetings
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Vid
>> >> || http://www.svaksha.com ||
>> >>
>> > --
>> > Peace!
>> >
>> > John
>> >
>> > You do have choice on what operating system you use:
>> > http://www.ubuntu.com/
>> >
>> > I am an Ubuntu user!
>> > My profile: https://launchpad.net/~jbotscharow
>> > My wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JohnBotscharow
>> >
>> > --
>> > Read my blog: http://hbotscharow.com
>> > John Botscharow: Reflections on Religion, Politics & Life
>> >
>> >
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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed

[John Botscharow]

On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 13:56 -0500, John Vilsack wrote:
> Actually, I think Natural Selection will take care of this to a
> greater or lesser extent.

That's veeery interesting, as Arte Johnson used to say on Laugh In.
As soemeone wha has a very strong background in the social sciences, I
feel that natural selection, for the humans species, is more culturally
influenced than for say chimps or gorillas. We can control, either
consciously or unconsciosusly, our own future as a species;. Right now
it's more unconscious than conscious.
> 
> To truly embrace the open source movement, we have no ability to ask
> unpaid volunteers to focus on any one particular piece of the project.
> Sure, we can make recommendations, but in the long run, people will
> focus on what they want to focus on.

This is true, but, certain roles can only be filled by one person at a
time, for instance, Fearless Leader. If more than one person is willing
and able to fill that role, then the team needs to decide by a
democratic vote. That is the point I was trying to make. No one should
be asked to do something they do not want to do, and I certainly hope
that I did not imply otherwise.
> 
> My intent is to have us focus on the Marketing aspects of Ubuntu in a
> similar way that the Development team focuses on the distribution.
> Our "bugs" will be outstanding tasks that anyone can address.  Our
> "roles" will be similar to the various aspects of the Linux and Ubuntu
> distribution as a whole. Our "code base" will be a central repository
> that the core-marketers have final approval on that anyone and
> everyone can access as "Approved for Distribution" dissemination.

I think we all are in agreement on this.
> 
> I will try and get this done as soon as possible, but I do have a full
> time job and several voluntary positions, so I am doing my best to get
> my proverbial ducks in a row :)
> 
We all, I am sure, appreciate your efforts in helping ua get our act
together. I know I do :-)

> I definitely think that my idea will allow for several of us to take
> on a leadership role in the various areas that we have to cover...this
> isn't going to be a one person show by any means.  We have alot to do,
> alot of ground to cover, and alot of different balls to juggle at the
> same time.

Hey, that's what makes life fun
> 
> I hope any contribution I can make can help accomplish this goal
> further.  However you have every right to say I am a quack and I
> should shut my yapper :)  This is the beauty of democracy!

That is the LAST possible thing I would ever say to you, John.
> 
> Thanks,
> John
> 
> On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 1:04 PM, John Botscharow
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 08:45 -0500, John Vilsack wrote:
> 
> > I've also begun listing out the various roles that I
> envision would be
> > a part of this type of restructure, and I hope that those
> actively
> > contributing to the list now would be willing to step up and
> assume
> > ownership of one of these.
> 
> 
> This is the area, I suspect, where we will need to cast votes,
> unless I
> have completely misjudged the situation. I suspect that there
> will be
> more than one volunteer for at least some of the roles, and
> that is
> good. It should be the membership that decides who they want
> to assume
> those roles.
> >
> --
> 
> Peace!
> 
> John
> 
> You do have choice on what operating system you use:
> http://www.ubuntu.com/
> 
> I am an Ubuntu user!
> My profile: https://launchpad.net/~jbotscharow
> My wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JohnBotscharow
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> 
> 
> 
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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed

[John Vilsack]

Actually, I think Natural Selection will take care of this to a greater or
lesser extent.

To truly embrace the open source movement, we have no ability to ask unpaid
volunteers to focus on any one particular piece of the project.  Sure, we
can make recommendations, but in the long run, people will focus on what
they want to focus on.

My intent is to have us focus on the Marketing aspects of Ubuntu in a
similar way that the Development team focuses on the distribution.  Our
"bugs" will be outstanding tasks that anyone can address.  Our "roles" will
be similar to the various aspects of the Linux and Ubuntu distribution as a
whole. Our "code base" will be a central repository that the core-marketers
have final approval on that anyone and everyone can access as "Approved for
Distribution" dissemination.

I will try and get this done as soon as possible, but I do have a full time
job and several voluntary positions, so I am doing my best to get my
proverbial ducks in a row :)

I definitely think that my idea will allow for several of us to take on a
leadership role in the various areas that we have to cover...this isn't
going to be a one person show by any means.  We have alot to do, alot of
ground to cover, and alot of different balls to juggle at the same time.

I hope any contribution I can make can help accomplish this goal further.
However you have every right to say I am a quack and I should shut my yapper
:)  This is the beauty of democracy!

Thanks,
John

On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 1:04 PM, John Botscharow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 08:45 -0500, John Vilsack wrote:
> > I've also begun listing out the various roles that I envision would be
> > a part of this type of restructure, and I hope that those actively
> > contributing to the list now would be willing to step up and assume
> > ownership of one of these.
>
> This is the area, I suspect, where we will need to cast votes, unless I
> have completely misjudged the situation. I suspect that there will be
> more than one volunteer for at least some of the roles, and that is
> good. It should be the membership that decides who they want to assume
> those roles.
> >
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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed

[Rubén Hubuntu]

+1 for a weekend

+1 for an action agenda under the meeting

+1 for a meeting, as in face to face, in the next UDS (end of the
year) if we start working actively as a team

R.

On 5/30/08, John Botscharow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 100% attendance at anything involving a group this size is unfeasible,
> really. But I know of other online groups, both inside and outside of
> the Ubuntu community, who hold annual meetings online. Some even do it
> offline in neat places like Beijing or the Riviera :-)
>
> If someone is unable to attend, they could publicly - like on this list
> or on the wiki - assign their voting rights to someone they know and
> trust - a proxy. The proxy would then have their own vote as well as the
> vote of the person who gave them their vote. It would be hoped that the
> person casting the proxy vote would vote how the absent person would
> have voted had they been able to attend.
>
> Again, let me reiterate what I said earlier, we need to make this an
> action meeting - lots of decision making - and get the discussion out of
> the way here before the meeting or this meeting will go on way too long
> and nothing will get accomplished.
>
> John B
> On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 18:15 +0100, VidA wrote:
>> On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 2:45 PM, John Vilsack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > Due to the international nature of the group, I also think a meeting is
>> > somewhat unfeasible for 100% attendance.
>>
>> agreed.
>>
>> >
>> > I am about 90% done with a rough draft of a proposal to the council
>> > which
>> > covers the three main topics (focus on materials and collaboration,
>> > core-marketers, Canonical liasion) which I will post once I have
>> > something
>> > readable but certainly before the meeting.
>>
>> It will be nice to read that before the meeting so folks with more
>> ideas can discuss it in the meeting.
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 1:32 PM, John Botscharow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > As for what day of the week, I suggest either Sat. or Sun. since that
>>
>> +1 for a weekend. UTC 1500-1800 for weekends works well for me.
>>
>> Regarding the wiki, its OK to make mistakes (we all do, dont we?) and
>> mess it up. We can always do a revert. So feel free to use it :)
>>
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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed

[John Botscharow]

On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 08:45 -0500, John Vilsack wrote:
> I've also begun listing out the various roles that I envision would be
> a part of this type of restructure, and I hope that those actively
> contributing to the list now would be willing to step up and assume
> ownership of one of these.

This is the area, I suspect, where we will need to cast votes, unless I
have completely misjudged the situation. I suspect that there will be
more than one volunteer for at least some of the roles, and that is
good. It should be the membership that decides who they want to assume
those roles. 
> 
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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed

[John Botscharow]

100% attendance at anything involving a group this size is unfeasible,
really. But I know of other online groups, both inside and outside of
the Ubuntu community, who hold annual meetings online. Some even do it
offline in neat places like Beijing or the Riviera :-) 

If someone is unable to attend, they could publicly - like on this list
or on the wiki - assign their voting rights to someone they know and
trust - a proxy. The proxy would then have their own vote as well as the
vote of the person who gave them their vote. It would be hoped that the
person casting the proxy vote would vote how the absent person would
have voted had they been able to attend. 

Again, let me reiterate what I said earlier, we need to make this an
action meeting - lots of decision making - and get the discussion out of
the way here before the meeting or this meeting will go on way too long
and nothing will get accomplished. 

John B
On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 18:15 +0100, VidA wrote:
> On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 2:45 PM, John Vilsack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Due to the international nature of the group, I also think a meeting is
> > somewhat unfeasible for 100% attendance.
> 
> agreed.
> 
> >
> > I am about 90% done with a rough draft of a proposal to the council which
> > covers the three main topics (focus on materials and collaboration,
> > core-marketers, Canonical liasion) which I will post once I have something
> > readable but certainly before the meeting.
> 
> It will be nice to read that before the meeting so folks with more
> ideas can discuss it in the meeting.
> 
> 
> On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 1:32 PM, John Botscharow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > As for what day of the week, I suggest either Sat. or Sun. since that
> 
> +1 for a weekend. UTC 1500-1800 for weekends works well for me.
> 
> Regarding the wiki, its OK to make mistakes (we all do, dont we?) and
> mess it up. We can always do a revert. So feel free to use it :)
> 
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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed

[VidA]

On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 2:45 PM, John Vilsack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Due to the international nature of the group, I also think a meeting is
> somewhat unfeasible for 100% attendance.

agreed.

>
> I am about 90% done with a rough draft of a proposal to the council which
> covers the three main topics (focus on materials and collaboration,
> core-marketers, Canonical liasion) which I will post once I have something
> readable but certainly before the meeting.

It will be nice to read that before the meeting so folks with more
ideas can discuss it in the meeting.


On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 1:32 PM, John Botscharow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> As for what day of the week, I suggest either Sat. or Sun. since that

+1 for a weekend. UTC 1500-1800 for weekends works well for me.

Regarding the wiki, its OK to make mistakes (we all do, dont we?) and
mess it up. We can always do a revert. So feel free to use it :)

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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed

[John Botscharow]

On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 08:45 -0500, John Vilsack wrote:
the way I see it, the things that need to be reolved at this meeting
will be things that require decisions which, being one who strongly
favors democracy in its purest form, means voting. I believe that only
by actually voting on things - like leadership, mission goals, etc. will
we get this team to the point where, depending on your perspective,
every one is happy or everyone is unhappy :-), but at least we have made
some decisions that the team as a whole can abide by. 

We could do this over the list or through a series of regional meetings,
but that will take extra time. And, as I said in my earlier post, time
is of the essence here. Perhaps I am missing something here - or
suffering from some severe delusions LOL - but it seems to me that what
may very well be a one time event, am international meeting of this
team, is the only way to achieve what needs to be achieved so that
everyone, or at least almost every one, feels a sense of ownership of
and commitment to this team.

> Due to the international nature of the group, I also think a meeting
> is somewhat unfeasible for 100% attendance.  
> 
> I am about 90% done with a rough draft of a proposal to the council
> which covers the three main topics (focus on materials and
> collaboration, core-marketers, Canonical liasion) which I will post
> once I have something readable but certainly before the meeting.
> Barring any vehement opposition to the proposal, I will submit it
> thereafter.
> 
> I've also begun listing out the various roles that I envision would be
> a part of this type of restructure, and I hope that those actively
> contributing to the list now would be willing to step up and assume
> ownership of one of these.
> 
> As Alan said, much of what needs to be said in a discussion has been
> said.  Its time for actionable objectives and realizing our goals.
> 
> My time is -6 GMT, Central Daylight, United States of America
> 
> Thanks,
> John
> On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 7:32 AM, John Botscharow
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 12:03 +0100, Chris Rowson wrote:
> Chris,
> 
> I agree that setting up a meeting for the entire group is
> going to be
> difficult, but not impossible and I think that THIS meeting
> should
> involve everyone. We may very well end up with regional
> meetings later
> on, but right now we need to resolve the organizational issues
> at a
> single meeting of the entire group - or at least as many as
> can make it.
> 
> As for what day of the week, I suggest either Sat. or Sun.
> since that
> should avoid any day job conflicts for most people. Amd,
> given, from the
> time zone responses, that we have a 13 hr range of time zones,
> it would
> seem that something in the early afteroon say 1 or 2 PM UTC
> would keep
> the time reasonable for all of us - not too early for those of
> us at UTC
> -5 and not too late for those at UTC +8.
> 
> Also doing it on a Sat. would probably give everyone the most
> flexibility in the amount of time they can commit to the
> meeting. I
> really don't think this is going to be a short meeting :-) and
> we all
> should be prepared for that.
> 
> The urgency of getting organized is another reason that I feel
> we need
> to do this at a full team meeting. Regional meetings first
> would
> lengthen the time frame of resolving the organizational
> issues, and I
> don't think we have that luxury.
> 
> > I think part of the problem with these meetings is that
> given the
> > international basis of the marketing team, whenever you
> organise one,
> > someone will be unable to attend.
> >
> > I propose that an agenda is fixed, with a set of issues to
> be
> > addressed and that the agenda is discussed at a group of
> regional
> > meetings.
> >
> > The responses to the discussed issues could then be noted
> and fed
> > 'back up' to the international level and a decision arrived
> upon based
> > on the common consensus of the regional findings.
> >
> > Either that, or split the marketing team into regional
> marketing teams
> > with the main marketing team as an advice centre for people
> to discuss
> > and feed ideas up to. I did this over at ubuntu-uk here
> > https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-uk-marketing
> >
> > Although we've not done much as of yet, it is a good way to
> identify
> > people with an interest in marketing in each locality and
> I'm sure
> > formalising the pr

Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed

[John Vilsack]

Due to the international nature of the group, I also think a meeting is
somewhat unfeasible for 100% attendance.

I am about 90% done with a rough draft of a proposal to the council which
covers the three main topics (focus on materials and collaboration,
core-marketers, Canonical liasion) which I will post once I have something
readable but certainly before the meeting.  Barring any vehement opposition
to the proposal, I will submit it thereafter.

I've also begun listing out the various roles that I envision would be a
part of this type of restructure, and I hope that those actively
contributing to the list now would be willing to step up and assume
ownership of one of these.

As Alan said, much of what needs to be said in a discussion has been said.
Its time for actionable objectives and realizing our goals.

My time is -6 GMT, Central Daylight, United States of America

Thanks,
John
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 7:32 AM, John Botscharow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 12:03 +0100, Chris Rowson wrote:
> Chris,
>
> I agree that setting up a meeting for the entire group is going to be
> difficult, but not impossible and I think that THIS meeting should
> involve everyone. We may very well end up with regional meetings later
> on, but right now we need to resolve the organizational issues at a
> single meeting of the entire group - or at least as many as can make it.
>
> As for what day of the week, I suggest either Sat. or Sun. since that
> should avoid any day job conflicts for most people. Amd, given, from the
> time zone responses, that we have a 13 hr range of time zones, it would
> seem that something in the early afteroon say 1 or 2 PM UTC would keep
> the time reasonable for all of us - not too early for those of us at UTC
> -5 and not too late for those at UTC +8.
>
> Also doing it on a Sat. would probably give everyone the most
> flexibility in the amount of time they can commit to the meeting. I
> really don't think this is going to be a short meeting :-) and we all
> should be prepared for that.
>
> The urgency of getting organized is another reason that I feel we need
> to do this at a full team meeting. Regional meetings first would
> lengthen the time frame of resolving the organizational issues, and I
> don't think we have that luxury.
>
> > I think part of the problem with these meetings is that given the
> > international basis of the marketing team, whenever you organise one,
> > someone will be unable to attend.
> >
> > I propose that an agenda is fixed, with a set of issues to be
> > addressed and that the agenda is discussed at a group of regional
> > meetings.
> >
> > The responses to the discussed issues could then be noted and fed
> > 'back up' to the international level and a decision arrived upon based
> > on the common consensus of the regional findings.
> >
> > Either that, or split the marketing team into regional marketing teams
> > with the main marketing team as an advice centre for people to discuss
> > and feed ideas up to. I did this over at ubuntu-uk here
> > https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-uk-marketing
> >
> > Although we've not done much as of yet, it is a good way to identify
> > people with an interest in marketing in each locality and I'm sure
> > formalising the process would help get things moving along more
> > smoothly.
> >
> > Chris
> >
> --
> Peace!
>
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>
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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed

[John Botscharow]

On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 12:03 +0100, Chris Rowson wrote:
Chris,

I agree that setting up a meeting for the entire group is going to be
difficult, but not impossible and I think that THIS meeting should
involve everyone. We may very well end up with regional meetings later
on, but right now we need to resolve the organizational issues at a
single meeting of the entire group - or at least as many as can make it.

As for what day of the week, I suggest either Sat. or Sun. since that
should avoid any day job conflicts for most people. Amd, given, from the
time zone responses, that we have a 13 hr range of time zones, it would
seem that something in the early afteroon say 1 or 2 PM UTC would keep
the time reasonable for all of us - not too early for those of us at UTC
-5 and not too late for those at UTC +8.

Also doing it on a Sat. would probably give everyone the most
flexibility in the amount of time they can commit to the meeting. I
really don't think this is going to be a short meeting :-) and we all
should be prepared for that.

The urgency of getting organized is another reason that I feel we need
to do this at a full team meeting. Regional meetings first would
lengthen the time frame of resolving the organizational issues, and I
don't think we have that luxury.

> I think part of the problem with these meetings is that given the
> international basis of the marketing team, whenever you organise one,
> someone will be unable to attend.
> 
> I propose that an agenda is fixed, with a set of issues to be
> addressed and that the agenda is discussed at a group of regional
> meetings.
> 
> The responses to the discussed issues could then be noted and fed
> 'back up' to the international level and a decision arrived upon based
> on the common consensus of the regional findings.
> 
> Either that, or split the marketing team into regional marketing teams
> with the main marketing team as an advice centre for people to discuss
> and feed ideas up to. I did this over at ubuntu-uk here
> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-uk-marketing
> 
> Although we've not done much as of yet, it is a good way to identify
> people with an interest in marketing in each locality and I'm sure
> formalising the process would help get things moving along more
> smoothly.
> 
> Chris
> 
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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed

[John Botscharow]

Ruben,

What you say about the wiki may be true, but the fact is that most
people who are currently participating on this list are NOT using the
wkiki, and I suspect the reason for that is that they, like me, are
unfamiliar with how it works. 

I am learning wiki code by working on my personal wiki, but I am not
going to mess with the team wiki, especially the meeting page, until I
have a better handle on the code used.

As you said, organizing a meeting is our main priority, and like you, I
am trying to get that meeting organized as quickly as possible. It was
suggested by Vid that we use the wiki to do that and I was responding to
that suggestion, pointing out why I felt that was unfeasible at this
point. For this meeting, at least, let's continue to get this meeting
organized using the list. I think this is the best way for maximum
participation.

On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 10:58 +, Rubén Hubuntu wrote:
> The idea with wikis is to do collaborative work in an incremental phase.
> 
> I see your point, but after hanging around for a while I found out
> that the best way to make impact within your community activities is
> to use the wiki as a cooperative tool. And yes, it means an effort in
> learning the syntax (and yes, I know it is nightmarish, but you will
> be happy you did :)
> 
> So everybody needs to get involved in the general maintenance of the
> wiki page, and certainly a core group is going to raise to adress this
> issue. But let us just get a meeting arranged and we take it from
> there, will you all folks?
> 
> Next week, say wednesday/thursday?
> 
> This thread is about finding a passing date for the meeting, let us
> keep this in foucs. Else we are just going around in circles...
> 
> R.
> 
> On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 10:48 AM, John Botscharow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Vid,
> >
> > The problem with your suggestion is that it assumes everyone is
> > comfortable using the Wiki. I took a look at  the meeting page, and as
> > someone who is just learning how to use wiki code, I am reluctant to
> > touch that page for fear of messing it up. We all seem to know how to
> > use email :-)
> >
> > A suggestion: Perhaps someone on the team who actually monitors this
> > list amd who knows wiki code could volunteer to update the team wiki
> > pages on, say, a daily basis.
> >
> > Anyone want to take that on? Having an up-to-date wiki page would do
> > much to help keep the team organized.
> >
> > Peace!
> >
> > John
> >
> > On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 03:02 +0100, VidA wrote:
> >> On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 10:23 PM, John Botscharow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> >> wrote:
> >> > We need to hear from everyone re: their time zone so that we can get
> >>
> >> Folks, do add your preferences on the meetings wikipage[1], which has
> >> a schedule for prefered individual  timings.
> >> After the meeting date is fixed, please mail this list with a CC to
> >> the fridge list and it will be put on the Fridge.
> >>
> >> [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Meetings
> >>
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> >
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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed

[Chris Rowson]

I think part of the problem with these meetings is that given the
international basis of the marketing team, whenever you organise one,
someone will be unable to attend.

I propose that an agenda is fixed, with a set of issues to be
addressed and that the agenda is discussed at a group of regional
meetings.

The responses to the discussed issues could then be noted and fed
'back up' to the international level and a decision arrived upon based
on the common consensus of the regional findings.

Either that, or split the marketing team into regional marketing teams
with the main marketing team as an advice centre for people to discuss
and feed ideas up to. I did this over at ubuntu-uk here
https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-uk-marketing

Although we've not done much as of yet, it is a good way to identify
people with an interest in marketing in each locality and I'm sure
formalising the process would help get things moving along more
smoothly.

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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed

[Rubén Hubuntu]

The idea with wikis is to do collaborative work in an incremental phase.

I see your point, but after hanging around for a while I found out
that the best way to make impact within your community activities is
to use the wiki as a cooperative tool. And yes, it means an effort in
learning the syntax (and yes, I know it is nightmarish, but you will
be happy you did :)

So everybody needs to get involved in the general maintenance of the
wiki page, and certainly a core group is going to raise to adress this
issue. But let us just get a meeting arranged and we take it from
there, will you all folks?

Next week, say wednesday/thursday?

This thread is about finding a passing date for the meeting, let us
keep this in foucs. Else we are just going around in circles...

R.

On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 10:48 AM, John Botscharow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Vid,
>
> The problem with your suggestion is that it assumes everyone is
> comfortable using the Wiki. I took a look at  the meeting page, and as
> someone who is just learning how to use wiki code, I am reluctant to
> touch that page for fear of messing it up. We all seem to know how to
> use email :-)
>
> A suggestion: Perhaps someone on the team who actually monitors this
> list amd who knows wiki code could volunteer to update the team wiki
> pages on, say, a daily basis.
>
> Anyone want to take that on? Having an up-to-date wiki page would do
> much to help keep the team organized.
>
> Peace!
>
> John
>
> On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 03:02 +0100, VidA wrote:
>> On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 10:23 PM, John Botscharow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > We need to hear from everyone re: their time zone so that we can get
>>
>> Folks, do add your preferences on the meetings wikipage[1], which has
>> a schedule for prefered individual  timings.
>> After the meeting date is fixed, please mail this list with a CC to
>> the fridge list and it will be put on the Fridge.
>>
>> [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Meetings
>>
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>
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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed

[John Botscharow]

Vid,

The problem with your suggestion is that it assumes everyone is
comfortable using the Wiki. I took a look at  the meeting page, and as
someone who is just learning how to use wiki code, I am reluctant to
touch that page for fear of messing it up. We all seem to know how to
use email :-) 

A suggestion: Perhaps someone on the team who actually monitors this
list amd who knows wiki code could volunteer to update the team wiki
pages on, say, a daily basis.

Anyone want to take that on? Having an up-to-date wiki page would do
much to help keep the team organized.

Peace!

John

On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 03:02 +0100, VidA wrote:
> On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 10:23 PM, John Botscharow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > We need to hear from everyone re: their time zone so that we can get
> 
> Folks, do add your preferences on the meetings wikipage[1], which has
> a schedule for prefered individual  timings.
> After the meeting date is fixed, please mail this list with a CC to
> the fridge list and it will be put on the Fridge.
> 
> [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Meetings
> 
> -- 
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> || http://www.svaksha.com ||
> 
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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed

[Danny Piccirillo]

-5 eastern time

On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 5:23 PM, John Botscharow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> We need to hear from everyone re: their time zone so that we can get
> this meeting set up. I, for one, and I don't think I am alone here, that
> having this meeting to answer the questions on the agenda should be our
> first order of nusiness and should be done ASAP. Until we do this,
> folks, we are just spinning our wheels.
>
> I.ve only seen maybe a dozen responses statring time zones out of
> almost, allegedly, 400 registered users. Now I know we won't get
> responses from THAt many, but only half, amybe, of the people who have
> posted here in the last couple of weeks have responded.
>
> PLEASE respond with your time zone ASAP so this meeting can happen and
> we can get this team doing what it supposed to do - MARKETING!!!
>
>
> On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 06:48 +0800, Onno Benschop wrote:
> > On 29/05/08 02:40, John Vilsack wrote:
> > > How do you feel about putting about proposing this to the Community
> > > Council?  Is leadership what this group needs above all else?
> > >
> > I agree that this needs to happen, but until we have figured out how
> > we're going to do what we're talking about and how we plan to manage it,
> > it might be a little premature.
> >
> > Allow me to make a proposal that works towards your suggestion.
> >
> > I'm in UTC+8, if all here who wish to participate could note their local
> > time-zone, then we could all meet on IRC and have a discussion about
> this.
> >
> > I'm not sure if we'd need to book ubuntu-meeting, but I'm sure we can if
> > that is required. I note that the normal meeting time is the fourth
> > Tuesday of the month, but I think that we may need to at least initially
> > increase the frequency and consistency of that meeting.
> >
> > I propose that we discuss some or all of the following:
> >
> > * role of ubuntu-marketing within Ubuntu
> > * interaction between ubuntu-marketing and Canonical
> > * aims for ubuntu-marketing
> > * plan on how to achieve the aims
> > * documentation
> > * team leader
> >
> > I agree with comments made that in a group such as ours a consensus
> > leader is required. Until such time, I am happy to chair that initial
> > IRC meeting with the understanding that I am not equating that interim
> > step with becoming the team leader.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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> >
> >
> >
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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed

[alan c]

John Botscharow wrote:
> We need to hear from everyone re: their time zone so that we can get
> this meeting set up. I, for one, and I don't think I am alone here, that
> having this meeting to answer the questions on the agenda should be our
> first order of nusiness and should be done ASAP. Until we do this,
> folks, we are just spinning our wheels. 
> 
> I.ve only seen maybe a dozen responses statring time zones out of
> almost, allegedly, 400 registered users. Now I know we won't get
> responses from THAt many, but only half, amybe, of the people who have
> posted here in the last couple of weeks have responded.
> 
> PLEASE respond with your time zone ASAP so this meeting can happen and
> we can get this team doing what it supposed to do - MARKETING!!!

I regret that irc is not usually feasible  for me here, so I do not 
expect I will be around. Anyway, I have already expressed my views on 
this list.
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Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed

[RJ]

Already said it but : GMT +1 (UK) / +2 (FRANCE) depending on weeks. +2 most of 
the time tho.

Regards,

Jonathan

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