Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed (Mike Feravolo)
On Mon, 2008-06-02 at 18:31 +0200, Simon Schneebeli wrote: It looks like 8pm CMT this Saturday is a moment that suits well for It's probably better to quote times in UTC, as most other teams do. It makes it a lot easier for people to translate because most people know their timezone relative to UTC. May I ask two questions: - Is there any (even inofficial) structure within the marketing community. I'd say that before electing anyone it would be a good idea to have a clear idea of a structure. I don't believe there is, no. - Is there an official liaison person who links to Canonical? (Or a Canonical person who links to this marketing community. Kat Kinnie and Gerry Carr work in Marketing at Canonical. I have found them to be very helpful when I've made requests in the past. - Does anyone have any document about the Canonical Marketing strategy. I mean something that says a bit more than just they're sending out CD. Don't forget that Canonical is a privately held limited company. Lets not set our expectations too high for what we as a community will get from them in the form of internal company strategies. We can of course ask one of the marketing people from Canonical to attend the next marketing team meeting, and ask them questions. Cheers, Al. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed (Mike Feravolo)
Alan Pope wrote: On Mon, 2008-06-02 at 18:31 +0200, Simon Schneebeli wrote: It looks like 8pm CMT this Saturday is a moment that suits well for It's probably better to quote times in UTC, as most other teams do. It makes it a lot easier for people to translate because most people know their timezone relative to UTC. Sorry about that. I have do admet that I had until now no idea what UTC means. That's why I gave the link to the webpage http://doodle.ch/csunnbdekfr7c345 So as it looks, we'll have the chance to chat together this saturday, June 7 at 21h UTC. Regards Simon -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
[ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed (Mike Feravolo)
Hello: I would be happy to contribute any way that I can to the the marketing team. The increase of traffic on the list is a good thing, people shouldn't be concerned if people talk about the same thing. They should just be glad that people are talking period. The success of this team depends on whether Canonical is going to back us or not. Right now they produce ton's of CD's and believe that all you have to do to sell Ubuntu is give them a CD and they will try it and what to make the switch. This method is fine if the only people you are marketing to are people with the technical know how to install an operating system. However for the other 99% of the people out there that use computers, they are afraid of the Live CD and don't try it at all. A more effective way to reach them is in print with information that makes them to use Ubuntu and seek out support. People in the support business will then support them. The marketing team should be ambassadors for Ubuntu and need the support of Canonical to make it work. Thank You Mike Feravolo -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed (Mike Feravolo)
I respectfully disagree. THe point of the marketing is not to be the Ambassadors, our job is to manufacture and provide strategies to those that will evangelize the product. We may all be those same Ambassadors when not performing our undertaken responsibilities, but the two are seperate nonetheless. In a perfect scenario, I can see the newest Big Fan of Ubuntu coming across a page filled with our hard work in an easy to understand fashion. The prospective evangelist can download a paper to give to their boss to show why Linux is a smart choice for the business workplace, they can print out a rider brochure that users can give out with the Live CD, or they can download this month's newest meeting kit, with full instructions about how to start up a LoCo and how to reach other to other fans of Ubuntu. Ambassadors of Ubuntu are absolutely essential to the livelihood of the product. They should be considered our customers and our number one priority. If Canonical is able to collaborate with us to make sure we aren't repeating ourselves, then great. But we do not need them to accomplish these goals nor to satisfy any sort of budgetary needs we may have at this time. Thanks, John Vilsack On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 8:21 AM, Mike Feravolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello: I would be happy to contribute any way that I can to the the marketing team. The increase of traffic on the list is a good thing, people shouldn't be concerned if people talk about the same thing. They should just be glad that people are talking period. The success of this team depends on whether Canonical is going to back us or not. Right now they produce ton's of CD's and believe that all you have to do to sell Ubuntu is give them a CD and they will try it and what to make the switch. This method is fine if the only people you are marketing to are people with the technical know how to install an operating system. However for the other 99% of the people out there that use computers, they are afraid of the Live CD and don't try it at all. A more effective way to reach them is in print with information that makes them to use Ubuntu and seek out support. People in the support business will then support them. The marketing team should be ambassadors for Ubuntu and need the support of Canonical to make it work. Thank You Mike Feravolo -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing -- John Vilsack Network Administrator The-House.com 300 S Owasso Blvd E St. Paul, MN 55117 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.the-house.com p. 651.482.9995 f. 651.482.1353 -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed (Mike Feravolo)
It looks like 8pm CMT this Saturday is a moment that suits well for quite a lot of people: To find out when this is in your time zone: http://doodle.ch/participation.html May I ask two questions: - Is there any (even inofficial) structure within the marketing community. I'd say that before electing anyone it would be a good idea to have a clear idea of a structure. I don't believe so. That is one of the things I am proposing to change though. - Is there an official liaison person who links to Canonical? (Or a Canonical person who links to this marketing community. I don't believe so. I have contacted their primary marketing contact, but have yet to hear back from them. - Does anyone have any document about the Canonical Marketing strategy. I mean something that says a bit more than just they're sending out CD. I don't believe so. I've scoured the sites and haven't found much of anything. Regardless, their plan seems to be more high level than grassroots. They provide a presence at trade shows, in the media, etc. whereas my hope is that we provide the metaphorical armaments for the average user to become an empowered evangelist. Sorry if these questions have been debated here previously. I'm still very now to this list. No worries, brother. I think many of us are new here and its good to see the enthusiasm being stirred up by the discussion! Thanks, John Vilsack Simon --- Simon Schneebeli 078 619 31 18 --- John Vilsack wrote: I respectfully disagree. THe point of the marketing is not to be the Ambassadors, our job is to manufacture and provide strategies to those that will evangelize the product. We may all be those same Ambassadors when not performing our undertaken responsibilities, but the two are seperate nonetheless. In a perfect scenario, I can see the newest Big Fan of Ubuntu coming across a page filled with our hard work in an easy to understand fashion. The prospective evangelist can download a paper to give to their boss to show why Linux is a smart choice for the business workplace, they can print out a rider brochure that users can give out with the Live CD, or they can download this month's newest meeting kit, with full instructions about how to start up a LoCo and how to reach other to other fans of Ubuntu. Ambassadors of Ubuntu are absolutely essential to the livelihood of the product. They should be considered our customers and our number one priority. If Canonical is able to collaborate with us to make sure we aren't repeating ourselves, then great. But we do not need them to accomplish these goals nor to satisfy any sort of budgetary needs we may have at this time. Thanks, John Vilsack On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 8:21 AM, Mike Feravolo [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello: I would be happy to contribute any way that I can to the the marketing team. The increase of traffic on the list is a good thing, people shouldn't be concerned if people talk about the same thing. They should just be glad that people are talking period. The success of this team depends on whether Canonical is going to back us or not. Right now they produce ton's of CD's and believe that all you have to do to sell Ubuntu is give them a CD and they will try it and what to make the switch. This method is fine if the only people you are marketing to are people with the technical know how to install an operating system. However for the other 99% of the people out there that use computers, they are afraid of the Live CD and don't try it at all. A more effective way to reach them is in print with information that makes them to use Ubuntu and seek out support. People in the support business will then support them. The marketing team should be ambassadors for Ubuntu and need the support of Canonical to make it work. Thank You Mike Feravolo -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing -- John Vilsack Network Administrator The-House.com 300 S Owasso Blvd E St. Paul, MN 55117 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.the-house.com p. 651.482.9995 f. 651.482.1353 -- John Vilsack Network Administrator The-House.com 300 S Owasso Blvd E St. Paul, MN 55117 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.the-house.com p. 651.482.9995 f. 651.482.1353 -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed (Mike Feravolo)
John/Team, John Vilsack wrote: - Is there an official liaison person who links to Canonical? (Or a Canonical person who links to this marketing community. I don't believe so. I have contacted their primary marketing contact, but have yet to hear back from them. I wonder if Jono Bacon, Community Liaison Officer, might be a good person to speak to? Even if he's not the right person to ask, he can probably point us in the right direction. Cheers, JT -- ---+ James Tait, BSc|xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Programmer and Free Software advocate | VoIP: +44 (0)870 490 2407 ---+ -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed (Mike
Hi all, This here may help you choose a date and time that suits best. http://doodle.ch/participation.html?pollId=csunnbdekfr7c345 Regards Simon --- Simon Schneebeli 078 619 31 18 --- Bruno Barrera Yever wrote: How about 20:00 UTC on a saturday? On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 5:53 PM, John Botscharow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We're in the same time zone, and yes 7 am is early especially on a Saturday, but we have a 13 hour range of time zones on this list and we are on the early end. For those on the late end, noon UTC is 8 pm. Even a two hour meeting, which I feel would be a short one, makes it 10 pm for those peope. That's why I suggested Saturday, since, going on normal working hours, we don't have to worry about anyone having to get up early the next morning. On Sat, 2008-05-31 at 17:29 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +1 for Saturday or Sunday preferably Sunday 12:00 here is 7 which I would consider too early, but if that's all right with everyone else its not a problem. On 5/31/08, John Botscharow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I don't know how accurate that is either. That's why I am asking. As far as my suggesting Saturday, I was under the impression that most people have a day job, which pretty much eliminates weekdays. I figured a Saturday would not interfer with things like work or sleep :-) and the 1200 UTC means it is not too early for those in the USA or too late for those in AU or the Far East. On Sat, 2008-05-31 at 16:27 -0500, Bruno Barrera Yever wrote: Well, according to the Meetings page [1] that wouldn't be convenient to most people Though, I don't know if that list is active. [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Meetings On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 9:37 AM, John Botscharow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It appears that my original suggested time of 12:00 or 13:00 UTC for a start time will fit pretty much eveyone in terms of time zones. How is everyone feel about a Saturday meeting? Do we want to do this NEXT Saturday the 7th or Saturay the 14th? -- Peace! John You do have choice on what operating system you use: http://www.ubuntu.com/ I am an Ubuntu user! My profile: https://launchpad.net/~jbotscharow My wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JohnBotscharow -- Read my blog: http://hbotscharow.com John Botscharow: Reflections on Religion, Politics Life -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing -- Peace! John You do have choice on what operating system you use: http://www.ubuntu.com/ I am an Ubuntu user! My profile: https://launchpad.net/~jbotscharow My wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JohnBotscharow -- Read my blog: http://hbotscharow.com John Botscharow: Reflections on Religion, Politics Life -- Peace! John You do have choice on what operating system you use: http://www.ubuntu.com/ I am an Ubuntu user! My profile: https://launchpad.net/~jbotscharow My wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JohnBotscharow -- Read my blog: http://hbotscharow.com John Botscharow: Reflections on Religion, Politics Life -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed (Mike
I can't completely agree with Hubuntu / VidA : this first meeting is one of the most important. We have to gather the maximum of our contributors if we want it to be representative. I agree we are wasting time in trying to find a perfect time which doesn't exist, but trying to find the less worst sounds normal to me. After this one we will know what's the best schedule for active members here, and we will be able to set up some basics for further meetings. Peace, Jonathan -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed (Mike
Yeah, let's use that poll, in that way we just see who can when... I have to say that it's not a good sign to not even be able to set up a time. The easiest thing (and what every other team in the community normally does) is just to define a date an hour and those that can come, will, and those who can't, won't. If our decision process is going to be as effective as this meeting planning, we do have a problem. ' Let's just say 20:00 UTC at Saturday the 7th and be done with it. I will come to the meeting no matter when it happens... But let's just get done with this... It's really annoying to use so much time in such a simple task R. On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 8:45 AM, Simon Schneebeli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, This here may help you choose a date and time that suits best. http://doodle.ch/participation.html?pollId=csunnbdekfr7c345 Regards Simon --- Simon Schneebeli 078 619 31 18 --- -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed (Mike
This one is great : easy and fast to use : perfect ! Thanks Simon ! I added my times. It may look a bit weird, but I could arrange for those times, hardly for anything else. Regards, Jonathan Hi all, This here may help you choose a date and time that suits best. http://doodle.ch/participation.html?pollId=csunnbdekfr7c345 Regards Simon -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed (Mike
On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 11:05 AM, Rubén Hubuntu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, let's use that poll, in that way we just see who can when... I have to say that it's not a good sign to not even be able to set up a time. The easiest thing (and what every other team in the community normally does) is just to define a date an hour and those that can come, will, and those who can't, won't. I agree that trying to find a meeting time convenient for every time zone across the world wont work. So for folks who cant attend, there is always this list to discuss the irc meeting summary and air their views. It was suggested that voting may be required to elect team leadership positions for which LP can be used very effectively rather than irc. -- Vid || http://www.svaksha.com || -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed (Mike
I am going to use Vid's message to put in my two cents on this issue - one last time. Like a lot of people who have commented here in the last week or so, I am getting very frustrated with all of this going around in circles. The general sentiment has been that the marketing team is, to put it bluntly, ineffective and that the reason for that is becaise of a lack of leadership and a lack of direction, which usually is caused by a lack of leadership. The best way to establish leadersip is to do it democatically - by voting. And to do it as quickly as possible is to have a meeting of as many members as possible as soon as possible. And it seemed to me that the quickest and easiest way to organize a meeting was to do it here on this list, for all the reaons I mentioned in an earlier post. Also, by voting on leadersip and direction, it allows everyone, or at least most everyone, to feel ownership of this team, to buy into the team and its goals. Without that sense of ownership, people are not going to be very active or effective. In order to get as many people, given the international nature of this group, to a meeting, some of us might have to make some compromises in our schedule to attend the meeting. Yes, we are all volunteers, but even volunteers can make compromises for something they feel strongly about. But, I am beginning to think that the REAL problem here is not a lack of direction or even a lack of leadership, but a lack of willingness to make even a small sacrifice for a greater good. This may be a bit harsh, maybe even wrong. I certainly hope so. But it is how I see things at this point. I took responsibility for trying to organize this meeting because it was something I felt had to be done, and no one else really stepped up to do it. But, I am now going to step back and let you all decide the date and time, or even whether such a meeting will happen. I will say this, though. Until you all decide on some leadership and direction that most people active on this list can buy into, the marketing team will continue to contribute little substance to the Ubuntu community. So, you all decide and let me know. And unless I get so frustrated that I leave the team, I will be there. Peace! John On Sun, 2008-06-01 at 11:21 +0100, VidA wrote: On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 11:05 AM, Rubén Hubuntu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, let's use that poll, in that way we just see who can when... I have to say that it's not a good sign to not even be able to set up a time. The easiest thing (and what every other team in the community normally does) is just to define a date an hour and those that can come, will, and those who can't, won't. I agree that trying to find a meeting time convenient for every time zone across the world wont work. So for folks who cant attend, there is always this list to discuss the irc meeting summary and air their views. It was suggested that voting may be required to elect team leadership positions for which LP can be used very effectively rather than irc. -- Vid || http://www.svaksha.com || -- Peace! John You do have choice on what operating system you use: http://www.ubuntu.com/ I am an Ubuntu user! My profile: https://launchpad.net/~jbotscharow My wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JohnBotscharow -- Read my blog: http://hbotscharow.com John Botscharow: Reflections on Religion, Politics Life -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed (Mike
On Sun, Jun 01, 2008 at 10:08:31AM -0500, John Botscharow wrote: Also, by voting on leadersip and direction, it allows everyone, or at least most everyone, to feel ownership of this team, to buy into the team and its goals. Without that sense of ownership, people are not going to be very active or effective. I haven't read every message in the lengthy thread recently, sorry, so this question may already have been covered. Has anyone actually stepped up and said that they have time/inclination/skills to lead this team? If not then calling a meeting and voting will be somewhat moot. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed (Mike
A few days, someone asked me if I would lead this group. I postponed answering that question at the time, because I believe actions speak louder than words and because I felt it would be better to let others do the nominating, but since you asked this way: 1. Yes, I have the time. I do not have a day job and can easily devote 8 hours or more a day, 7 days a week to the team. 2. Do I have the inclination? Most definitely. Otherwise I would not have said and done what I have this past week or so. 3. Do I have the shills and talents? In marketing and management, yes, I believe so. I don't have much esperience in Ubuntu - things like using wikis or familiarity with the technical aspects, etc 4. Should I lead this team? That's for the membership to decide. On Sun, 2008-06-01 at 18:39 +0100, Alan Pope wrote: On Sun, Jun 01, 2008 at 10:08:31AM -0500, John Botscharow wrote: Also, by voting on leadersip and direction, it allows everyone, or at least most everyone, to feel ownership of this team, to buy into the team and its goals. Without that sense of ownership, people are not going to be very active or effective. I haven't read every message in the lengthy thread recently, sorry, so this question may already have been covered. Has anyone actually stepped up and said that they have time/inclination/skills to lead this team? If not then calling a meeting and voting will be somewhat moot. Cheers, Al. -- Peace! John You do have choice on what operating system you use: http://www.ubuntu.com/ I am an Ubuntu user! My profile: https://launchpad.net/~jbotscharow My wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JohnBotscharow -- Read my blog: http://hbotscharow.com John Botscharow: Reflections on Religion, Politics Life -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed (Mike
Going back to the meeting topic for a sec... From the people that have voted on the poll, and the list of available times in the Meetings page it appears 20:00 UTC would be the most convenient hour. Is that ok, or is that not a good time for someone? About the day, I would say it should be ASAP. What do you think? Also, it would be nice if we could start filling up the Agenda. I don't know how its normally done, but in our LoCo anyone is free to add anything but they have to add their wiki name beside the subject. On 6/1/08, John Botscharow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A few days, someone asked me if I would lead this group. I postponed answering that question at the time, because I believe actions speak louder than words and because I felt it would be better to let others do the nominating, but since you asked this way: 1. Yes, I have the time. I do not have a day job and can easily devote 8 hours or more a day, 7 days a week to the team. 2. Do I have the inclination? Most definitely. Otherwise I would not have said and done what I have this past week or so. 3. Do I have the shills and talents? In marketing and management, yes, I believe so. I don't have much esperience in Ubuntu - things like using wikis or familiarity with the technical aspects, etc 4. Should I lead this team? That's for the membership to decide. On Sun, 2008-06-01 at 18:39 +0100, Alan Pope wrote: On Sun, Jun 01, 2008 at 10:08:31AM -0500, John Botscharow wrote: Also, by voting on leadersip and direction, it allows everyone, or at least most everyone, to feel ownership of this team, to buy into the team and its goals. Without that sense of ownership, people are not going to be very active or effective. I haven't read every message in the lengthy thread recently, sorry, so this question may already have been covered. Has anyone actually stepped up and said that they have time/inclination/skills to lead this team? If not then calling a meeting and voting will be somewhat moot. Cheers, Al. -- Peace! John You do have choice on what operating system you use: http://www.ubuntu.com/ I am an Ubuntu user! My profile: https://launchpad.net/~jbotscharow My wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JohnBotscharow -- Read my blog: http://hbotscharow.com John Botscharow: Reflections on Religion, Politics Life -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing -- Bruno Barrera Yever -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed (Mike
It appears that my original suggested time of 12:00 or 13:00 UTC for a start time will fit pretty much eveyone in terms of time zones. How is everyone feel about a Saturday meeting? Do we want to do this NEXT Saturday the 7th or Saturay the 14th? -- Peace! John You do have choice on what operating system you use: http://www.ubuntu.com/ I am an Ubuntu user! My profile: https://launchpad.net/~jbotscharow My wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JohnBotscharow -- Read my blog: http://hbotscharow.com John Botscharow: Reflections on Religion, Politics Life -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed (Mike
Well, according to the Meetings page [1] that wouldn't be convenient to most people Though, I don't know if that list is active. [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Meetings On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 9:37 AM, John Botscharow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It appears that my original suggested time of 12:00 or 13:00 UTC for a start time will fit pretty much eveyone in terms of time zones. How is everyone feel about a Saturday meeting? Do we want to do this NEXT Saturday the 7th or Saturay the 14th? -- Peace! John You do have choice on what operating system you use: http://www.ubuntu.com/ I am an Ubuntu user! My profile: https://launchpad.net/~jbotscharow My wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JohnBotscharow -- Read my blog: http://hbotscharow.com John Botscharow: Reflections on Religion, Politics Life -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing -- Bruno Barrera Yever -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed (Mike
How about 20:00 UTC on a saturday? On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 5:53 PM, John Botscharow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We're in the same time zone, and yes 7 am is early especially on a Saturday, but we have a 13 hour range of time zones on this list and we are on the early end. For those on the late end, noon UTC is 8 pm. Even a two hour meeting, which I feel would be a short one, makes it 10 pm for those peope. That's why I suggested Saturday, since, going on normal working hours, we don't have to worry about anyone having to get up early the next morning. On Sat, 2008-05-31 at 17:29 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +1 for Saturday or Sunday preferably Sunday 12:00 here is 7 which I would consider too early, but if that's all right with everyone else its not a problem. On 5/31/08, John Botscharow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, I don't know how accurate that is either. That's why I am asking. As far as my suggesting Saturday, I was under the impression that most people have a day job, which pretty much eliminates weekdays. I figured a Saturday would not interfer with things like work or sleep :-) and the 1200 UTC means it is not too early for those in the USA or too late for those in AU or the Far East. On Sat, 2008-05-31 at 16:27 -0500, Bruno Barrera Yever wrote: Well, according to the Meetings page [1] that wouldn't be convenient to most people Though, I don't know if that list is active. [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Meetings On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 9:37 AM, John Botscharow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It appears that my original suggested time of 12:00 or 13:00 UTC for a start time will fit pretty much eveyone in terms of time zones. How is everyone feel about a Saturday meeting? Do we want to do this NEXT Saturday the 7th or Saturay the 14th? -- Peace! John You do have choice on what operating system you use: http://www.ubuntu.com/ I am an Ubuntu user! My profile: https://launchpad.net/~jbotscharow My wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JohnBotscharow -- Read my blog: http://hbotscharow.com John Botscharow: Reflections on Religion, Politics Life -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing -- Peace! John You do have choice on what operating system you use: http://www.ubuntu.com/ I am an Ubuntu user! My profile: https://launchpad.net/~jbotscharow My wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JohnBotscharow -- Read my blog: http://hbotscharow.com John Botscharow: Reflections on Religion, Politics Life -- Peace! John You do have choice on what operating system you use: http://www.ubuntu.com/ I am an Ubuntu user! My profile: https://launchpad.net/~jbotscharow My wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JohnBotscharow -- Read my blog: http://hbotscharow.com John Botscharow: Reflections on Religion, Politics Life -- Bruno Barrera Yever -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed
Already said it but : GMT +1 (UK) / +2 (FRANCE) depending on weeks. +2 most of the time tho. Regards, Jonathan -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed
John Botscharow wrote: We need to hear from everyone re: their time zone so that we can get this meeting set up. I, for one, and I don't think I am alone here, that having this meeting to answer the questions on the agenda should be our first order of nusiness and should be done ASAP. Until we do this, folks, we are just spinning our wheels. I.ve only seen maybe a dozen responses statring time zones out of almost, allegedly, 400 registered users. Now I know we won't get responses from THAt many, but only half, amybe, of the people who have posted here in the last couple of weeks have responded. PLEASE respond with your time zone ASAP so this meeting can happen and we can get this team doing what it supposed to do - MARKETING!!! I regret that irc is not usually feasible for me here, so I do not expect I will be around. Anyway, I have already expressed my views on this list. -- alan cocks Kubuntu user#10391 -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed
-5 eastern time On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 5:23 PM, John Botscharow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We need to hear from everyone re: their time zone so that we can get this meeting set up. I, for one, and I don't think I am alone here, that having this meeting to answer the questions on the agenda should be our first order of nusiness and should be done ASAP. Until we do this, folks, we are just spinning our wheels. I.ve only seen maybe a dozen responses statring time zones out of almost, allegedly, 400 registered users. Now I know we won't get responses from THAt many, but only half, amybe, of the people who have posted here in the last couple of weeks have responded. PLEASE respond with your time zone ASAP so this meeting can happen and we can get this team doing what it supposed to do - MARKETING!!! On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 06:48 +0800, Onno Benschop wrote: On 29/05/08 02:40, John Vilsack wrote: How do you feel about putting about proposing this to the Community Council? Is leadership what this group needs above all else? I agree that this needs to happen, but until we have figured out how we're going to do what we're talking about and how we plan to manage it, it might be a little premature. Allow me to make a proposal that works towards your suggestion. I'm in UTC+8, if all here who wish to participate could note their local time-zone, then we could all meet on IRC and have a discussion about this. I'm not sure if we'd need to book ubuntu-meeting, but I'm sure we can if that is required. I note that the normal meeting time is the fourth Tuesday of the month, but I think that we may need to at least initially increase the frequency and consistency of that meeting. I propose that we discuss some or all of the following: * role of ubuntu-marketing within Ubuntu * interaction between ubuntu-marketing and Canonical * aims for ubuntu-marketing * plan on how to achieve the aims * documentation * team leader I agree with comments made that in a group such as ours a consensus leader is required. Until such time, I am happy to chair that initial IRC meeting with the understanding that I am not equating that interim step with becoming the team leader. -- Onno Benschop Connected via Optus B3 at S31°54'06 - E115°50'39 (Yokine, WA) -- ()/)/)()..ASCII for Onno.. |?..EBCDIC for Onno.. --- -. -. --- ..Morse for Onno.. ITmaze - ABN: 56 178 057 063 - ph: 04 1219 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Peace! John You do have choice on what operating system you use: http://www.ubuntu.com/ I am an Ubuntu user! My profile: https://launchpad.net/~jbotscharowhttps://launchpad.net/%7Ejbotscharow My wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JohnBotscharow -- Read my blog: http://hbotscharow.com John Botscharow: Reflections on Religion, Politics Life -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed
The idea with wikis is to do collaborative work in an incremental phase. I see your point, but after hanging around for a while I found out that the best way to make impact within your community activities is to use the wiki as a cooperative tool. And yes, it means an effort in learning the syntax (and yes, I know it is nightmarish, but you will be happy you did :) So everybody needs to get involved in the general maintenance of the wiki page, and certainly a core group is going to raise to adress this issue. But let us just get a meeting arranged and we take it from there, will you all folks? Next week, say wednesday/thursday? This thread is about finding a passing date for the meeting, let us keep this in foucs. Else we are just going around in circles... R. On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 10:48 AM, John Botscharow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vid, The problem with your suggestion is that it assumes everyone is comfortable using the Wiki. I took a look at the meeting page, and as someone who is just learning how to use wiki code, I am reluctant to touch that page for fear of messing it up. We all seem to know how to use email :-) A suggestion: Perhaps someone on the team who actually monitors this list amd who knows wiki code could volunteer to update the team wiki pages on, say, a daily basis. Anyone want to take that on? Having an up-to-date wiki page would do much to help keep the team organized. Peace! John On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 03:02 +0100, VidA wrote: On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 10:23 PM, John Botscharow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We need to hear from everyone re: their time zone so that we can get Folks, do add your preferences on the meetings wikipage[1], which has a schedule for prefered individual timings. After the meeting date is fixed, please mail this list with a CC to the fridge list and it will be put on the Fridge. [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Meetings -- Vid || http://www.svaksha.com || -- Peace! John You do have choice on what operating system you use: http://www.ubuntu.com/ I am an Ubuntu user! My profile: https://launchpad.net/~jbotscharow My wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JohnBotscharow -- Read my blog: http://hbotscharow.com John Botscharow: Reflections on Religion, Politics Life -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed
I think part of the problem with these meetings is that given the international basis of the marketing team, whenever you organise one, someone will be unable to attend. I propose that an agenda is fixed, with a set of issues to be addressed and that the agenda is discussed at a group of regional meetings. The responses to the discussed issues could then be noted and fed 'back up' to the international level and a decision arrived upon based on the common consensus of the regional findings. Either that, or split the marketing team into regional marketing teams with the main marketing team as an advice centre for people to discuss and feed ideas up to. I did this over at ubuntu-uk here https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-uk-marketing Although we've not done much as of yet, it is a good way to identify people with an interest in marketing in each locality and I'm sure formalising the process would help get things moving along more smoothly. Chris -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed
Vid, The problem with your suggestion is that it assumes everyone is comfortable using the Wiki. I took a look at the meeting page, and as someone who is just learning how to use wiki code, I am reluctant to touch that page for fear of messing it up. We all seem to know how to use email :-) A suggestion: Perhaps someone on the team who actually monitors this list amd who knows wiki code could volunteer to update the team wiki pages on, say, a daily basis. Anyone want to take that on? Having an up-to-date wiki page would do much to help keep the team organized. Peace! John On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 03:02 +0100, VidA wrote: On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 10:23 PM, John Botscharow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We need to hear from everyone re: their time zone so that we can get Folks, do add your preferences on the meetings wikipage[1], which has a schedule for prefered individual timings. After the meeting date is fixed, please mail this list with a CC to the fridge list and it will be put on the Fridge. [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Meetings -- Vid || http://www.svaksha.com || -- Peace! John You do have choice on what operating system you use: http://www.ubuntu.com/ I am an Ubuntu user! My profile: https://launchpad.net/~jbotscharow My wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JohnBotscharow -- Read my blog: http://hbotscharow.com John Botscharow: Reflections on Religion, Politics Life -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed
Ruben, What you say about the wiki may be true, but the fact is that most people who are currently participating on this list are NOT using the wkiki, and I suspect the reason for that is that they, like me, are unfamiliar with how it works. I am learning wiki code by working on my personal wiki, but I am not going to mess with the team wiki, especially the meeting page, until I have a better handle on the code used. As you said, organizing a meeting is our main priority, and like you, I am trying to get that meeting organized as quickly as possible. It was suggested by Vid that we use the wiki to do that and I was responding to that suggestion, pointing out why I felt that was unfeasible at this point. For this meeting, at least, let's continue to get this meeting organized using the list. I think this is the best way for maximum participation. On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 10:58 +, Rubén Hubuntu wrote: The idea with wikis is to do collaborative work in an incremental phase. I see your point, but after hanging around for a while I found out that the best way to make impact within your community activities is to use the wiki as a cooperative tool. And yes, it means an effort in learning the syntax (and yes, I know it is nightmarish, but you will be happy you did :) So everybody needs to get involved in the general maintenance of the wiki page, and certainly a core group is going to raise to adress this issue. But let us just get a meeting arranged and we take it from there, will you all folks? Next week, say wednesday/thursday? This thread is about finding a passing date for the meeting, let us keep this in foucs. Else we are just going around in circles... R. On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 10:48 AM, John Botscharow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vid, The problem with your suggestion is that it assumes everyone is comfortable using the Wiki. I took a look at the meeting page, and as someone who is just learning how to use wiki code, I am reluctant to touch that page for fear of messing it up. We all seem to know how to use email :-) A suggestion: Perhaps someone on the team who actually monitors this list amd who knows wiki code could volunteer to update the team wiki pages on, say, a daily basis. Anyone want to take that on? Having an up-to-date wiki page would do much to help keep the team organized. Peace! John On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 03:02 +0100, VidA wrote: On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 10:23 PM, John Botscharow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We need to hear from everyone re: their time zone so that we can get Folks, do add your preferences on the meetings wikipage[1], which has a schedule for prefered individual timings. After the meeting date is fixed, please mail this list with a CC to the fridge list and it will be put on the Fridge. [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Meetings -- Vid || http://www.svaksha.com || -- Peace! John You do have choice on what operating system you use: http://www.ubuntu.com/ I am an Ubuntu user! My profile: https://launchpad.net/~jbotscharow My wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JohnBotscharow -- Read my blog: http://hbotscharow.com John Botscharow: Reflections on Religion, Politics Life -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing -- Peace! John You do have choice on what operating system you use: http://www.ubuntu.com/ I am an Ubuntu user! My profile: https://launchpad.net/~jbotscharow My wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JohnBotscharow -- Read my blog: http://hbotscharow.com John Botscharow: Reflections on Religion, Politics Life -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed
Due to the international nature of the group, I also think a meeting is somewhat unfeasible for 100% attendance. I am about 90% done with a rough draft of a proposal to the council which covers the three main topics (focus on materials and collaboration, core-marketers, Canonical liasion) which I will post once I have something readable but certainly before the meeting. Barring any vehement opposition to the proposal, I will submit it thereafter. I've also begun listing out the various roles that I envision would be a part of this type of restructure, and I hope that those actively contributing to the list now would be willing to step up and assume ownership of one of these. As Alan said, much of what needs to be said in a discussion has been said. Its time for actionable objectives and realizing our goals. My time is -6 GMT, Central Daylight, United States of America Thanks, John On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 7:32 AM, John Botscharow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 12:03 +0100, Chris Rowson wrote: Chris, I agree that setting up a meeting for the entire group is going to be difficult, but not impossible and I think that THIS meeting should involve everyone. We may very well end up with regional meetings later on, but right now we need to resolve the organizational issues at a single meeting of the entire group - or at least as many as can make it. As for what day of the week, I suggest either Sat. or Sun. since that should avoid any day job conflicts for most people. Amd, given, from the time zone responses, that we have a 13 hr range of time zones, it would seem that something in the early afteroon say 1 or 2 PM UTC would keep the time reasonable for all of us - not too early for those of us at UTC -5 and not too late for those at UTC +8. Also doing it on a Sat. would probably give everyone the most flexibility in the amount of time they can commit to the meeting. I really don't think this is going to be a short meeting :-) and we all should be prepared for that. The urgency of getting organized is another reason that I feel we need to do this at a full team meeting. Regional meetings first would lengthen the time frame of resolving the organizational issues, and I don't think we have that luxury. I think part of the problem with these meetings is that given the international basis of the marketing team, whenever you organise one, someone will be unable to attend. I propose that an agenda is fixed, with a set of issues to be addressed and that the agenda is discussed at a group of regional meetings. The responses to the discussed issues could then be noted and fed 'back up' to the international level and a decision arrived upon based on the common consensus of the regional findings. Either that, or split the marketing team into regional marketing teams with the main marketing team as an advice centre for people to discuss and feed ideas up to. I did this over at ubuntu-uk here https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-uk-marketinghttps://launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-uk-marketing Although we've not done much as of yet, it is a good way to identify people with an interest in marketing in each locality and I'm sure formalising the process would help get things moving along more smoothly. Chris -- Peace! John You do have choice on what operating system you use: http://www.ubuntu.com/ I am an Ubuntu user! My profile: https://launchpad.net/~jbotscharowhttps://launchpad.net/%7Ejbotscharow My wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JohnBotscharow -- Read my blog: http://hbotscharow.com John Botscharow: Reflections on Religion, Politics Life -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing -- John Vilsack Network Administrator The-House.com 300 S Owasso Blvd E St. Paul, MN 55117 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.the-house.com p. 651.482.9995 f. 651.482.1353 -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed
On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 08:45 -0500, John Vilsack wrote: the way I see it, the things that need to be reolved at this meeting will be things that require decisions which, being one who strongly favors democracy in its purest form, means voting. I believe that only by actually voting on things - like leadership, mission goals, etc. will we get this team to the point where, depending on your perspective, every one is happy or everyone is unhappy :-), but at least we have made some decisions that the team as a whole can abide by. We could do this over the list or through a series of regional meetings, but that will take extra time. And, as I said in my earlier post, time is of the essence here. Perhaps I am missing something here - or suffering from some severe delusions LOL - but it seems to me that what may very well be a one time event, am international meeting of this team, is the only way to achieve what needs to be achieved so that everyone, or at least almost every one, feels a sense of ownership of and commitment to this team. Due to the international nature of the group, I also think a meeting is somewhat unfeasible for 100% attendance. I am about 90% done with a rough draft of a proposal to the council which covers the three main topics (focus on materials and collaboration, core-marketers, Canonical liasion) which I will post once I have something readable but certainly before the meeting. Barring any vehement opposition to the proposal, I will submit it thereafter. I've also begun listing out the various roles that I envision would be a part of this type of restructure, and I hope that those actively contributing to the list now would be willing to step up and assume ownership of one of these. As Alan said, much of what needs to be said in a discussion has been said. Its time for actionable objectives and realizing our goals. My time is -6 GMT, Central Daylight, United States of America Thanks, John On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 7:32 AM, John Botscharow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 12:03 +0100, Chris Rowson wrote: Chris, I agree that setting up a meeting for the entire group is going to be difficult, but not impossible and I think that THIS meeting should involve everyone. We may very well end up with regional meetings later on, but right now we need to resolve the organizational issues at a single meeting of the entire group - or at least as many as can make it. As for what day of the week, I suggest either Sat. or Sun. since that should avoid any day job conflicts for most people. Amd, given, from the time zone responses, that we have a 13 hr range of time zones, it would seem that something in the early afteroon say 1 or 2 PM UTC would keep the time reasonable for all of us - not too early for those of us at UTC -5 and not too late for those at UTC +8. Also doing it on a Sat. would probably give everyone the most flexibility in the amount of time they can commit to the meeting. I really don't think this is going to be a short meeting :-) and we all should be prepared for that. The urgency of getting organized is another reason that I feel we need to do this at a full team meeting. Regional meetings first would lengthen the time frame of resolving the organizational issues, and I don't think we have that luxury. I think part of the problem with these meetings is that given the international basis of the marketing team, whenever you organise one, someone will be unable to attend. I propose that an agenda is fixed, with a set of issues to be addressed and that the agenda is discussed at a group of regional meetings. The responses to the discussed issues could then be noted and fed 'back up' to the international level and a decision arrived upon based on the common consensus of the regional findings. Either that, or split the marketing team into regional marketing teams with the main marketing team as an advice centre for people to discuss and feed ideas up to. I did this over at ubuntu-uk here https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-uk-marketing Although we've not done much as of yet, it is a good way to identify people with an interest in marketing in each locality and I'm sure formalising the process would help get things moving along more smoothly. Chris
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed
On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 08:45 -0500, John Vilsack wrote: I've also begun listing out the various roles that I envision would be a part of this type of restructure, and I hope that those actively contributing to the list now would be willing to step up and assume ownership of one of these. This is the area, I suspect, where we will need to cast votes, unless I have completely misjudged the situation. I suspect that there will be more than one volunteer for at least some of the roles, and that is good. It should be the membership that decides who they want to assume those roles. -- Peace! John You do have choice on what operating system you use: http://www.ubuntu.com/ I am an Ubuntu user! My profile: https://launchpad.net/~jbotscharow My wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JohnBotscharow -- Read my blog: http://hbotscharow.com John Botscharow: Reflections on Religion, Politics Life -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed
+1 for a weekend +1 for an action agenda under the meeting +1 for a meeting, as in face to face, in the next UDS (end of the year) if we start working actively as a team R. On 5/30/08, John Botscharow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 100% attendance at anything involving a group this size is unfeasible, really. But I know of other online groups, both inside and outside of the Ubuntu community, who hold annual meetings online. Some even do it offline in neat places like Beijing or the Riviera :-) If someone is unable to attend, they could publicly - like on this list or on the wiki - assign their voting rights to someone they know and trust - a proxy. The proxy would then have their own vote as well as the vote of the person who gave them their vote. It would be hoped that the person casting the proxy vote would vote how the absent person would have voted had they been able to attend. Again, let me reiterate what I said earlier, we need to make this an action meeting - lots of decision making - and get the discussion out of the way here before the meeting or this meeting will go on way too long and nothing will get accomplished. John B On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 18:15 +0100, VidA wrote: On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 2:45 PM, John Vilsack [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Due to the international nature of the group, I also think a meeting is somewhat unfeasible for 100% attendance. agreed. I am about 90% done with a rough draft of a proposal to the council which covers the three main topics (focus on materials and collaboration, core-marketers, Canonical liasion) which I will post once I have something readable but certainly before the meeting. It will be nice to read that before the meeting so folks with more ideas can discuss it in the meeting. On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 1:32 PM, John Botscharow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As for what day of the week, I suggest either Sat. or Sun. since that +1 for a weekend. UTC 1500-1800 for weekends works well for me. Regarding the wiki, its OK to make mistakes (we all do, dont we?) and mess it up. We can always do a revert. So feel free to use it :) -- Peace! John You do have choice on what operating system you use: http://www.ubuntu.com/ I am an Ubuntu user! My profile: https://launchpad.net/~jbotscharow My wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JohnBotscharow -- Read my blog: http://hbotscharow.com John Botscharow: Reflections on Religion, Politics Life -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing -- Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed
On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 13:56 -0500, John Vilsack wrote: Actually, I think Natural Selection will take care of this to a greater or lesser extent. That's veeery interesting, as Arte Johnson used to say on Laugh In. As soemeone wha has a very strong background in the social sciences, I feel that natural selection, for the humans species, is more culturally influenced than for say chimps or gorillas. We can control, either consciously or unconsciosusly, our own future as a species;. Right now it's more unconscious than conscious. To truly embrace the open source movement, we have no ability to ask unpaid volunteers to focus on any one particular piece of the project. Sure, we can make recommendations, but in the long run, people will focus on what they want to focus on. This is true, but, certain roles can only be filled by one person at a time, for instance, Fearless Leader. If more than one person is willing and able to fill that role, then the team needs to decide by a democratic vote. That is the point I was trying to make. No one should be asked to do something they do not want to do, and I certainly hope that I did not imply otherwise. My intent is to have us focus on the Marketing aspects of Ubuntu in a similar way that the Development team focuses on the distribution. Our bugs will be outstanding tasks that anyone can address. Our roles will be similar to the various aspects of the Linux and Ubuntu distribution as a whole. Our code base will be a central repository that the core-marketers have final approval on that anyone and everyone can access as Approved for Distribution dissemination. I think we all are in agreement on this. I will try and get this done as soon as possible, but I do have a full time job and several voluntary positions, so I am doing my best to get my proverbial ducks in a row :) We all, I am sure, appreciate your efforts in helping ua get our act together. I know I do :-) I definitely think that my idea will allow for several of us to take on a leadership role in the various areas that we have to cover...this isn't going to be a one person show by any means. We have alot to do, alot of ground to cover, and alot of different balls to juggle at the same time. Hey, that's what makes life fun I hope any contribution I can make can help accomplish this goal further. However you have every right to say I am a quack and I should shut my yapper :) This is the beauty of democracy! That is the LAST possible thing I would ever say to you, John. Thanks, John On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 1:04 PM, John Botscharow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2008-05-30 at 08:45 -0500, John Vilsack wrote: I've also begun listing out the various roles that I envision would be a part of this type of restructure, and I hope that those actively contributing to the list now would be willing to step up and assume ownership of one of these. This is the area, I suspect, where we will need to cast votes, unless I have completely misjudged the situation. I suspect that there will be more than one volunteer for at least some of the roles, and that is good. It should be the membership that decides who they want to assume those roles. -- Peace! John You do have choice on what operating system you use: http://www.ubuntu.com/ I am an Ubuntu user! My profile: https://launchpad.net/~jbotscharow My wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JohnBotscharow -- Read my blog: http://hbotscharow.com John Botscharow: Reflections on Religion, Politics Life -- John Vilsack Network Administrator The-House.com 300 S Owasso Blvd E St. Paul, MN 55117 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.the-house.com p. 651.482.9995 f. 651.482.1353 -- Peace! John You do have choice on what operating system you use: http://www.ubuntu.com/ I am an Ubuntu user! My profile: https://launchpad.net/~jbotscharow My wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JohnBotscharow -- Read my blog: http://hbotscharow.com John Botscharow: Reflections on Religion, Politics Life -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
[ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed
We need to hear from everyone re: their time zone so that we can get this meeting set up. I, for one, and I don't think I am alone here, that having this meeting to answer the questions on the agenda should be our first order of nusiness and should be done ASAP. Until we do this, folks, we are just spinning our wheels. I.ve only seen maybe a dozen responses statring time zones out of almost, allegedly, 400 registered users. Now I know we won't get responses from THAt many, but only half, amybe, of the people who have posted here in the last couple of weeks have responded. PLEASE respond with your time zone ASAP so this meeting can happen and we can get this team doing what it supposed to do - MARKETING!!! On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 06:48 +0800, Onno Benschop wrote: On 29/05/08 02:40, John Vilsack wrote: How do you feel about putting about proposing this to the Community Council? Is leadership what this group needs above all else? I agree that this needs to happen, but until we have figured out how we're going to do what we're talking about and how we plan to manage it, it might be a little premature. Allow me to make a proposal that works towards your suggestion. I'm in UTC+8, if all here who wish to participate could note their local time-zone, then we could all meet on IRC and have a discussion about this. I'm not sure if we'd need to book ubuntu-meeting, but I'm sure we can if that is required. I note that the normal meeting time is the fourth Tuesday of the month, but I think that we may need to at least initially increase the frequency and consistency of that meeting. I propose that we discuss some or all of the following: * role of ubuntu-marketing within Ubuntu * interaction between ubuntu-marketing and Canonical * aims for ubuntu-marketing * plan on how to achieve the aims * documentation * team leader I agree with comments made that in a group such as ours a consensus leader is required. Until such time, I am happy to chair that initial IRC meeting with the understanding that I am not equating that interim step with becoming the team leader. -- Onno Benschop Connected via Optus B3 at S31°54'06 - E115°50'39 (Yokine, WA) -- ()/)/)()..ASCII for Onno.. |?..EBCDIC for Onno.. --- -. -. --- ..Morse for Onno.. ITmaze - ABN: 56 178 057 063 - ph: 04 1219 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Peace! John You do have choice on what operating system you use: http://www.ubuntu.com/ I am an Ubuntu user! My profile: https://launchpad.net/~jbotscharow My wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JohnBotscharow -- Read my blog: http://hbotscharow.com John Botscharow: Reflections on Religion, Politics Life -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed
PLEASE respond with your time zone ASAP so this meeting can happen and we can get this team doing what it supposed to do - MARKETING!!! British Summer Time (GMT +1) Chris -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 11:01 PM, Chris Rowson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PLEASE respond with your time zone ASAP so this meeting can happen and we can get this team doing what it supposed to do - MARKETING!!! British Summer Time (GMT +1) Chris Another bod from the UK here. UTC +1. --- Philip -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed
John Botscharow wrote: We need to hear from everyone re: their time zone so that we can get this meeting set up. snip / GMT +1 (Another Brit!) -- The way out is open! http://www.theopensourcerer.com -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed
UTC +2 Another human :) R On 5/29/08, John Botscharow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We need to hear from everyone re: their time zone so that we can get this meeting set up. I, for one, and I don't think I am alone here, that having this meeting to answer the questions on the agenda should be our first order of nusiness and should be done ASAP. Until we do this, folks, we are just spinning our wheels. I.ve only seen maybe a dozen responses statring time zones out of almost, allegedly, 400 registered users. Now I know we won't get responses from THAt many, but only half, amybe, of the people who have posted here in the last couple of weeks have responded. PLEASE respond with your time zone ASAP so this meeting can happen and we can get this team doing what it supposed to do - MARKETING!!! On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 06:48 +0800, Onno Benschop wrote: On 29/05/08 02:40, John Vilsack wrote: How do you feel about putting about proposing this to the Community Council? Is leadership what this group needs above all else? I agree that this needs to happen, but until we have figured out how we're going to do what we're talking about and how we plan to manage it, it might be a little premature. Allow me to make a proposal that works towards your suggestion. I'm in UTC+8, if all here who wish to participate could note their local time-zone, then we could all meet on IRC and have a discussion about this. I'm not sure if we'd need to book ubuntu-meeting, but I'm sure we can if that is required. I note that the normal meeting time is the fourth Tuesday of the month, but I think that we may need to at least initially increase the frequency and consistency of that meeting. I propose that we discuss some or all of the following: * role of ubuntu-marketing within Ubuntu * interaction between ubuntu-marketing and Canonical * aims for ubuntu-marketing * plan on how to achieve the aims * documentation * team leader I agree with comments made that in a group such as ours a consensus leader is required. Until such time, I am happy to chair that initial IRC meeting with the understanding that I am not equating that interim step with becoming the team leader. -- Onno Benschop Connected via Optus B3 at S31°54'06 - E115°50'39 (Yokine, WA) -- ()/)/)()..ASCII for Onno.. |?..EBCDIC for Onno.. --- -. -. --- ..Morse for Onno.. ITmaze - ABN: 56 178 057 063 - ph: 04 1219 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Peace! John You do have choice on what operating system you use: http://www.ubuntu.com/ I am an Ubuntu user! My profile: https://launchpad.net/~jbotscharow My wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JohnBotscharow -- Read my blog: http://hbotscharow.com John Botscharow: Reflections on Religion, Politics Life -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing -- Sent from Gmail for mobile | mobile.google.com -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed
On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 10:23 PM, John Botscharow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We need to hear from everyone re: their time zone so that we can get Folks, do add your preferences on the meetings wikipage[1], which has a schedule for prefered individual timings. After the meeting date is fixed, please mail this list with a CC to the fridge list and it will be put on the Fridge. [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Meetings -- Vid || http://www.svaksha.com || -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
Re: [ubuntu-marketing] Organizational meeting proposed
UTC -5 (DST) On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 9:02 PM, VidA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 10:23 PM, John Botscharow [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We need to hear from everyone re: their time zone so that we can get Folks, do add your preferences on the meetings wikipage[1], which has a schedule for prefered individual timings. After the meeting date is fixed, please mail this list with a CC to the fridge list and it will be put on the Fridge. [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MarketingTeam/Meetings -- Vid || http://www.svaksha.com || -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing -- Bruno Barrera Yever -- ubuntu-marketing mailing list ubuntu-marketing@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing
