Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Like the knew sig? The quote at the bottom I mean. Anybody know who / what I quoted?

[Pete Wright]

Okay, Alex, best I can do is the Ubuntu philosophy, but the "what we are"
part is not in the official Ubuntu stuff, at least not where I can find it.
And my second guess would be Pogo. (I have met the enemy and it is us)
How lucky to have so many LUGs close by. (none around here, here being the
far Thulies of the Olympic Peninsula)
Cheers
Pete


On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 4:57 AM, Alex Armani wrote:

> Subject: Like the knew sig? The quote at the bottom I mean. Anybody know
> who / what I quoted? You should all recognise it instantly. tee hee pee!
>
> Also, when is the next LUG, pornounced ''elle ewe jee'', in my circles
> ThatIs.
>
> Testis Testis, won too! Yep both theer! Like the knew sig? The knew domain
> name, and the quote at the bottom I mean. Anybody know who / what I quoted?
> You should all recognise it instantly! Cross posted to my local lug mailing
> lists, Scarborough, Ryedale & York. I live in Scarborough, work 4 days a
> week in Ryedale for my parents business, and 3 days a week in York
> studying. Music ThatIs. 1 more year now, and I'll have my MSc. Been
> studying music in Scarborough since '97. Already got an MSc. in IT, but
> that was from Teesside '96
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Is Libre an acceptable substitute for MS office for college student? (long; sorry.)

[Pete Wright]

Thanks, Hazan, Laurent, Rob, Mike, Jimmy, and Craig,
You have been tremendously helpful.
Knowing that we should be able to make things work is important,
immediately and longer-range.
The insights into the thinking of educators are also helpful.
Moreover, I am now re-energized in the quest to get more educational tools
into the hands of those who need it most, including kids who don't get
encouraged at home and who may not even know they have potential.
So thank you for the specific assistance and for the example of people
taking the time to be helpful.
Warmest regards to all,
Pete
PS -- Imagine what might happen if people start thinking about what they
would do if they had a supercomputer of their very own that fit in a
pocket. Then compare the specs on modern smartphones -- the ones that will
sell for fifty bucks or less a couple of years from now -- with the specs
of the CRAY-1 ca2000.  Hope I can stick around for a few more years to see
what happens.


On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 8:56 AM, ©raig ®au  wrote:

> I graduated in 2008 with a degree in Mechanical Engineering using nothing
> but Open Source software. At the time it was still Open Office, but I used
> it flawlessly (Writer... Calc... Impress...) And I used SciLab instead of
> Matlab (although there was a Linux version of Matlab, not to mention
> Mathematica, Maple, Pro-E... etc.) The only thing Linux didn't have was a
> good alternative for Minitab.
>
> But I digress... Calc can do almost everything Excel can... Almost. And
> for the purpose of college it most certainly can.
>
> Hell, you should see some of the garbage graphs that Minitab produces and
> they are the industry standard in the real world.
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> On Nov 6, 2013 3:23 PM, "Pete Wright"  wrote:
>
>>  I know what the answer to that question should be, but I am old enough
>> to know how ignorant I am (plenty), so this is a legitimate serious
>> question, not troll-bait.
>>
>> My 16-year-old high school junior is in a State of Washington program
>> (Running Start) that lets students start college early, which she is doing,
>> carrying a full load of college courses plus a couple of high school
>> classes.
>>
>> She is bright and reasonably computer literate, but she has been writing
>> for years and when the rest of the computer environment doesn't let her
>> work as fast as a word processor does, she gets frustrated. She also has
>> some health issues, so just letting her sink or swim on her own is not the
>> best option; hence my effort to help her.
>>
>> The most recent bump she has hit is a biology assignment to make graphs
>> out of data; the examples (samples) are provided as txt files and the
>> instructions are to use Excel. Our first attempts to do the job with Libre
>> calc and/or base failed.  Her instructor, via email, just says "use the
>> computers at school if you don't have Excel."
>>
>> We don't own MS Office and because of her health and living more than am
>> hour away from campus, using the school's computers are not often a good
>> option.
>>
>> So, should she be able to do in LIbre what she would be able to do in MS
>> Office? (I am assuming the college does not make much use of the fanciest
>> bells and whistles that probably differentiate the two suites.)
>>
>> I can and do teach kids and adults how to use Gimp and Libre Writer
>> instead of their high-priced counterparts, but when it comes to
>> spreadsheets and such I barely know a range from an operator, so your
>> responses can be basic to the point of primitive without danger of
>> insulting me.
>>
>> I am interested in broad general answers to the broad question in the
>> subject line, but would like to hear finer-grained answers about the
>> graph-generation issue, as well.
>>
>> I tried a few years back to organize a local organization to persuade our
>> schools to use Open Source software instead of proprietary stuff, but the
>> teachers were all either Apple-only or totally computer illiterate. When
>> the others gave up, I did too, and the effort fizzled. But I remain
>> dedicated to using and proselytizing Open Source; just not very good at it.
>>
>> Helplessly yours, Pete
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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[ubuntu-studio-users] Is Libre an acceptable substitute for MS office for college student? (long; sorry.)

[Pete Wright]

I know what the answer to that question should be, but I am old enough to
know how ignorant I am (plenty), so this is a legitimate serious question,
not troll-bait.

My 16-year-old high school junior is in a State of Washington program
(Running Start) that lets students start college early, which she is doing,
carrying a full load of college courses plus a couple of high school
classes.

She is bright and reasonably computer literate, but she has been writing
for years and when the rest of the computer environment doesn't let her
work as fast as a word processor does, she gets frustrated. She also has
some health issues, so just letting her sink or swim on her own is not the
best option; hence my effort to help her.

The most recent bump she has hit is a biology assignment to make graphs out
of data; the examples (samples) are provided as txt files and the
instructions are to use Excel. Our first attempts to do the job with Libre
calc and/or base failed.  Her instructor, via email, just says "use the
computers at school if you don't have Excel."

We don't own MS Office and because of her health and living more than am
hour away from campus, using the school's computers are not often a good
option.

So, should she be able to do in LIbre what she would be able to do in MS
Office? (I am assuming the college does not make much use of the fanciest
bells and whistles that probably differentiate the two suites.)

I can and do teach kids and adults how to use Gimp and Libre Writer instead
of their high-priced counterparts, but when it comes to spreadsheets and
such I barely know a range from an operator, so your responses can be basic
to the point of primitive without danger of insulting me.

I am interested in broad general answers to the broad question in the
subject line, but would like to hear finer-grained answers about the
graph-generation issue, as well.

I tried a few years back to organize a local organization to persuade our
schools to use Open Source software instead of proprietary stuff, but the
teachers were all either Apple-only or totally computer illiterate. When
the others gave up, I did too, and the effort fizzled. But I remain
dedicated to using and proselytizing Open Source; just not very good at it.

Helplessly yours, Pete
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] 64 bit Intel version?

[Pete Wright]

Thanks, Mike and Pedro!


On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 11:26 AM, Mike Holstein  wrote:

>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Pedro Ribeiro wrote:
>
>> There's nothing specific for 64 bit Intel-based machines. Intel chips use
>> the same set of instructions as AMDs. The reason you see the 64 bit pc
>> versions labeled AMD is because they released their 64 bit processors ahead
>> of Intel. In other words, if it's a 64 bit version for Intel-powered PCs
>> (or Mac), pick the AMD version. ;)
>>
>
> yeah, sorry.. i just linked that without clarification.. the 64bit version
> is for intel 64bit..
>
>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 7:13 PM, Pete Wright  wrote:
>>
>>> Is there a 64 bit version of the new 13.10 UbuntuStudio for Intel-based
>>> machines?
>>>  If so, where do I get it?
>>> Thanks
>>> Pete
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[ubuntu-studio-users] 64 bit Intel version?

[Pete Wright]

Is there a 64 bit version of the new 13.10 UbuntuStudio for Intel-based
machines?
If so, where do I get it?
Thanks
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Ubuntu Studio 13.10 released

[Pete Wright]

Kudos to Ho and the rest of the crew!
I used the update in the ordinary way and everything works just fine, which
is a very big deal because "foolproof" is the hardest thing to achieve, and
that is the thing I am the testbed for.
grins
Pete


On Fri, Oct 18, 2013 at 6:30 AM, Rick Green  wrote:

> On Fri, 18 Oct 2013, Jimmy Sjölund wrote:
>
>  Hi,
>>
>> 32 or 64 bit version? I ran tests on the i386 release yesterday and it
>> passed without any issues.
>>
>> /Jimmy
>>
>> On 18 okt 2013, at 05:48, Joseph Ronne  wrote:
>>
>>   The 'upgrade' from 13.04 to 13.10 does not appear  to work beyond
>> authentication.
>>
>>   I upgraded a 13.04 AMD_64 installation yesterday using the update
> manager without issues.  I'm playing with applications now.  It doesn't
> seem to recognize my zoom H6 recorder when in multitrack interface mode,
> but its a newly-released device, and I can't say for sure that any earlier
> version did either...
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Question about 13.10

[Pete Wright]

Thanks, Kaj.


On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 10:52 PM, Kaj Ailomaa  wrote:

> If you want to add Ubuntu Studio packages, you can do that on 13.04 as
> well.
> Just install whatever meta packages you want.
> To set up your system for low latency audio, do:
>
> $ sudo apt-get install linux-lowlatency ubuntustudio-audio
>
> then, add yourself to audio group:
>
> $ sudo usermod -a -G audio $USER
>
> reboot.
>
> On Sun, Oct 13, 2013, at 03:11 AM, Pete Wright wrote:
> > I am currently running Ubuntu 13.04 on a hand-me-down machine (my old one
> > on which I was running ubuntu Studio has quit, perhaps forever).
> > This hand-me-down has my artist wife's Windows on one partition, and she
> > is
> > not yet certain she has everything going right on her replacement, so
> > until
> > she signs off and I am sure this won't turn into a hand-me-back
> > situation,
> > I prefer to avoid a new install in a new partition. (She already had
> > Ubuntu
> > 12-something on the machine, so I just updated it and loaded my files
> > from
> > my external HD.
> >
> > However I see in the 13.10 release notes this statement:
> > * A new package named ubuntustudio-installer, which allows any person to
> > install our metapackages and can fit into any desktop environment.
> >
> > Does this mean I can turn my current Ubuntu 13.04 into Ubuntu Studio in
> > the
> > same partition in which it now resides?
> > Or should I just blunder along in plain old Ubuntu for a while longer?
> > Thanks.
> > Pete
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] ubuntu-studio-users Digest, Vol 78, Issue 11

[Pete Wright]

Yes, Gord, you and I are in agreement on most of this.
I would, however, remind you that for some of us the "studio" is a "bigger
room" than the sound-only places where I was a client in the days when I
ate my lunch at the South Street "dive" in Nashville (is it still there?)
30 years ago. I was then a film maker doing interactive video for science
museums among other things. Today I write and do art photography, mostly
for recreation.
So you see that this puts us very much in the same place.
For all of us, I think what is needed is a way to call up the tools we want
and know that, unlike the games and the word processors of yore, they will
work together in the space were we are trying to use them.
It is in the application layer that users have to understand that ease of
learning is mostly a delusion and often a barrier to ease of use.
At some point the training wheels have to come off, and at that point, as
with bicycles, the user finds they haven't "trained" at all; often exactly
the opposite. Maybe menus that also show keyboard shortcuts are as close to
Nirvana as it gets.
Cheers
Pete


On Sun, Oct 13, 2013 at 6:33 AM, Gord L Williams wrote:

>
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>>
>>  I agree,  ease of use and ease of learning are two different things.
>  Try running a computer store around the time that DOS based Windows was
> dominant,  and telling people that you can't really have a machine that
> will 'last five years'.   Or worse explaining why when junior put the game
> on the system,  Wordperfect doesn't work because the drivers were replaced
> with conflicting drivers.   This was a completely different soup,  but
> similar enough ingredients.
>
> My comments were assuming (dangerous ass word)  that it was someone like
> me who is fairly technical in background,  and yes I can switch my own
> desktop,  or follow the cut and pastes that are out there. CLI doesn't
> scare me in the least.
>
> The people who want a machine 'to last five years' (be relevant and up to
> date) probably aren't the market for any 'Nix.  Stay away, its voodoo.
>
> The people that Ubuntu and particularly specific flavours of Ubuntu like
> Ubuntustudio are aimed at can fend for themselves as a rule.  I would hope
> so,  but I am seeing some people that are just are playing with it to see
> what it is.  Some who by all indicators are interested in just dancing to
> the music it makes out of the box, in other words, "it should.."
>
> Must drive programmers and distributions crazy that monitor this stuff and
> try to listen.   Also I run the risk of sounding like one of those,  at
> least to an extent.
>
> I am saying specifically this.   Ubuntu vanilla flavour takes a lot of
> work to get it to a state where you would like it to be for audio (my
> discipline)  and you end up with Ubuntustudio (settings and everything
> probably come from the packages)  maybe you have your desktop,  but in all
> essence yes.
>
> As I have been saying most studios are for recording,  period. Anything
> from a bird chirping to a tuba.   Though most probably record music.  There
> are divisions within studio's,  some are broadcast,   some are meant for
> acoustic,  some are for mastering and the list goes on.   I am not so
> unrealistic as to say that a complete mastering studio should be
> installable out of the box, but some of the things you never use,  such as
> a guitar box should be easily removable,  preferably not at all when your
> installing to begin with.
>
> So what I have been talking about is an interactive install. Something
> like "No command line programs,  no synths (or all syths),  no ladspa
> plugins,  some plugins for eq only.The user then builds a system more
> likely to be closer to actual use.
>
> That perhaps is a little different than ease of use.   Instead of 10
> synths or trackers,   all recording programs,  or all FOSS.   The user
> decides and may have a little help with the most likely programs to fit the
> need.   But isn't left with a long list of programs likely to never be used.
>
> Ubuntustudio has the least unwieldy menus of all.   My comments stemmed
> from the idea it could focus a bit further than it does, but thats up to
> the maintainers of the distribution.  It was and rem

[ubuntu-studio-users] Question about 13.10

[Pete Wright]

I am currently running Ubuntu 13.04 on a hand-me-down machine (my old one
on which I was running ubuntu Studio has quit, perhaps forever).
This hand-me-down has my artist wife's Windows on one partition, and she is
not yet certain she has everything going right on her replacement, so until
she signs off and I am sure this won't turn into a hand-me-back situation,
I prefer to avoid a new install in a new partition. (She already had Ubuntu
12-something on the machine, so I just updated it and loaded my files from
my external HD.

However I see in the 13.10 release notes this statement:
* A new package named ubuntustudio-installer, which allows any person to
install our metapackages and can fit into any desktop environment.

Does this mean I can turn my current Ubuntu 13.04 into Ubuntu Studio in the
same partition in which it now resides?
Or should I just blunder along in plain old Ubuntu for a while longer?
Thanks.
Pete
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] A moment of peace and clarity.

[Pete Wright]

I haven't seen the "user friendliness" discussion on Blender, but one
senses similar feelings on Gimp discussions and elsewhere.

The thing is that "ease of use" and "ease of learning" are not only not the
same thing, but they tend to be mutually exclusive.



On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 4:24 AM, reSet Sakrecoer wrote:

> Hi Gord!
> While i believe Mike Holstein and Kaj Ailomaa answer your question. I
> think i see what you are talking about this time. :)
> I believe there is a similar discussion ignited by Anrew Price in the
> blender community: User Friendliness.
>
> I know this is a delicate issue, because it's a very hard thing to
> accomplish and also because in many ways it stands on a harsh line between
> 2 scenarios:
>
> 1. If everything becomes easy. Then the interest for exploration may
> vanish.
> This scenario is not good for future development.
>
> 2.If everything is hard, less people get involved.
> This scenario is not good for the expansion of the user-base.
>
> These 2 aspects meet is:
> The user-base creates the development.
>
> In these aspects, i think ubuntustudio is very good at balancing this
> line. And i want to encourage them in keeping the focus they have shown
> until now. Still, i hope your email will echo in a constructive phase.
>
> yours,
> Set
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 10:31 AM, Ralf Mardorf  > wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 2013-10-12 at 05:35 +0200, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:
>> > $ sudo usermod -a -G audio $USER
>> > That's it :)
>>
>> After adding a user to a group, there's the need to log out and in
>> before it takes effect.
>>
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> On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 4:28 PM, Gord L Williams 
> wrote:
>
>> Dear list,
>>
>> I have had reaction to some comments I have made,  and I have to say
>> everyone has acted in a very gentile manner.   Its good when we have
>> manners and can express our thought.   Perhaps thats why we are hear rather
>> than opening the box and dancing with the latest iPhone or Windows device.
>>
>> My comments where about not being able to move freely (FOSS) between
>> desktops and choice your poison - yes including imperfect bloatware.  Unity
>> anyone?  Gnome?   -  I actually like Gnome 3 because it presents those I
>> will call,  dancing people,  with a desktop that has a beat,  for them.
>>  "Its cool and I can dance to it."  to get American Bandstand about it.
>>
>> I was in no way attempting to take a swipe at anyone.  I think most of
>> you got that,  but apparently some people read things sideways. You can
>> expect that, if you make statements.  Probably why I will never be in
>> politics.
>>
>> If it was a perfect world,  any distribution would be the same in intent,
>>  regardless of desktop,  meaning menus and software would be the same.  In
>> my crazy world I envision ubuntu - astronomy,  which of course you can say
>> the prospects are looking up for.   Wait the big jokes come later
>>
>> I see this as an advantage over  dancing peoples devices and os's. Tell
>> us what you are and we have something for you already. Perhaps its as easy
>> as having interest groups modify based on available software,   they choose
>> semi pro stuff like Ardour which seems to be tin-cup ware now,   and truly
>> FOSS. But that may not be the desire.
>>
>> Ubuntustudio does a great job of being a studio.  No knocks at all.   I
>> do not record at a studio professionally for a number of reasons.  The
>> setups and the bookings take time,  and your a number is one reason.  I
>> have recorded in a professional hardware based studio and I managed the
>> talent for that, so my reasoning isn't superfluous.  Sitting on the stool
>> talking into a $3000 microphone is a kick,  but doesn't bring it home
>> economically.   Studio time like that costs and has to be rolled into the
>> price.
>>
>> I have alway been about bringing that cost down,  and very Ubuntu about
>> what I do.  "If a traveler wanders into a village,  the village will see to
>> his needs without a thought as to what they need."   I believe Nelson
>> Mandella close enough.
>>
>> My point is if you can encourage more people to explore their talent as a
>> photographer,  graphic artist, and media producer,  the world will be
>> better.  If the distribution fits more people,  if they can make sense of
>> it without a huge learning curve and yes,  if they can dance around the
>> open box,  so to speak,  as humans tend to do then maybe we have something.
>>   We have something,  not just the geeks that watch their machine
>> efficiently eat up compute cycles for bragging rights.  Thats already
>> there,  enjoy your command line.
>>
>> Often there is great resistance to the paradigm shifting,  and there are
>> reasons and excuses not to move forward on it.  

Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] A moment of peace and clarity.

[Pete Wright]

Personally what I like best about Ubuntustudio is the obvious dedication of
the team to making a great collection of tools "for creative humans" of all
types. Visual artists ought to feel at home here; certainly I do
(writer,film-maker, and photographer).

Tied for first place is the group of users I get a glimpse of on this and
other lists such as LAU and GIMP.

Heartfelt regards to all.
Pete


On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 8:27 AM, Mike Holstein  wrote:

>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 11, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Gord L Williams 
> wrote:
>
>> Dear list,
>>
>> I have had reaction to some comments I have made,  and I have to say
>> everyone has acted in a very gentile manner.   Its good when we have
>> manners and can express our thought.   Perhaps thats why we are hear rather
>> than opening the box and dancing with the latest iPhone or Windows device.
>>
>> My comments where about not being able to move freely (FOSS) between
>> desktops and choice your poison - yes including imperfect bloatware.  Unity
>> anyone?  Gnome?   -  I actually like Gnome 3 because it presents those I
>> will call,  dancing people,  with a desktop that has a beat,  for them.
>>  "Its cool and I can dance to it."  to get American Bandstand about it.
>>
>> I was in no way attempting to take a swipe at anyone.  I think most of
>> you got that,  but apparently some people read things sideways. You can
>> expect that, if you make statements.  Probably why I will never be in
>> politics.
>>
>> If it was a perfect world,  any distribution would be the same in intent,
>>  regardless of desktop,  meaning menus and software would be the same.  In
>> my crazy world I envision ubuntu - astronomy,  which of course you can say
>> the prospects are looking up for.   Wait the big jokes come later
>>
>> I see this as an advantage over  dancing peoples devices and os's. Tell
>> us what you are and we have something for you already. Perhaps its as easy
>> as having interest groups modify based on available software,   they choose
>> semi pro stuff like Ardour which seems to be tin-cup ware now,   and truly
>> FOSS. But that may not be the desire.
>>
>> Ubuntustudio does a great job of being a studio.  No knocks at all.   I
>> do not record at a studio professionally for a number of reasons.  The
>> setups and the bookings take time,  and your a number is one reason.  I
>> have recorded in a professional hardware based studio and I managed the
>> talent for that, so my reasoning isn't superfluous.  Sitting on the stool
>> talking into a $3000 microphone is a kick,  but doesn't bring it home
>> economically.   Studio time like that costs and has to be rolled into the
>> price.
>>
>> I have alway been about bringing that cost down,  and very Ubuntu about
>> what I do.  "If a traveler wanders into a village,  the village will see to
>> his needs without a thought as to what they need."   I believe Nelson
>> Mandella close enough.
>>
>> My point is if you can encourage more people to explore their talent as a
>> photographer,  graphic artist, and media producer,  the world will be
>> better.  If the distribution fits more people,  if they can make sense of
>> it without a huge learning curve and yes,  if they can dance around the
>> open box,  so to speak,  as humans tend to do then maybe we have something.
>>   We have something,  not just the geeks that watch their machine
>> efficiently eat up compute cycles for bragging rights.  Thats already
>> there,  enjoy your command line.
>>
>> Often there is great resistance to the paradigm shifting,  and there are
>> reasons and excuses not to move forward on it.   It is a good deal of work
>> for everyone involved in a distribution to make a change,  any change,
>>  even a small one.  A radical change in thinking even more so,  it can be
>> disruptive or worse.   So,  I do not propose that and I never will.
>> Ubuntustudio is a great distribution and has been a great distribution and
>> probably will continue to be so for years to come.
>>
>> That as they say is the bottom line,  thank you Ubuntustudio. Period.
>
>
>
> ubuntustudio either fits your needs or it doesnt. it is what it is, and
> cant be what its not. one thing ubuntustudio does well is make sure that
> multimedia packages and meta packages are available and maintained in the
> default ubuntu repos. these are used by the ubuntustudio distro, but they
> can always (and usually quite easily) be added into whatever desktop anyone
> chooses to use, as well as in the spin-offs such as mint. if a user wants
> unity, they can install the main vanilla ubuntu and add what they want from
> the ubuntustudio pacakges. users are able to and encouraged to do so, and
> also, able to and encouraged to test, and make sure that things are working
> in other environments and report (constructively and properly) bugs and
> issues. there has been some great efforts made to make sure that
> ubuntustudio could be installed with several different desktops as well as
> many workflows.
>

Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] What needs to be said.

[Pete Wright]

Yeah, Alf!
Add my thanks to Kaj and all


On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Alf Haakon Lund wrote:

> What problem? ;-)
>
> I think it's a great gift that we have a special flavour of Ubuntu packed
> with all sorts of media tools. Heading towards free choice of DE and metas
> it will only get better.
>
> While I don't know or understand or bother to find out how to use most of
> the programs available, I appreciate that they're there. When finding
> solutions on the internet, sometimes it turns out the program I need is
> already installed, while if not, it's likely to be found in the
> repositories.
>
> Unless running rather ancient hardware space shouldn't be an issue,
> either. The only complaint I would agree with is that program descriptions
> are sometimes unhelpful, at least to us beginners. "LV2 plugins host for
> JACK" can sound pretty cryptic...
>
> Also a bit confusing is the libav / ffmpeg schism. I had some trouble
> creating dvd iso's. To solve the problem I tried to use ffmpeg instead of
> ffmpeg (a bit tongue-in-cheek, yes) and I'm still not sure if I succeeded.
>
> But basically I think Ubuntu Studio is a great project and that folks like
> Kaj who spend countless hours on it... Well, I hope you hear as often as
> you deserve that your work is appreciated!
>
> Al F
>
>
>
>
>
> On 06. okt. 2013 20:10, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:
>
>> The solution to this problem will be fixed for 14.04, namely, the
>> user will have the choice which metas to install. Maybe it might even
>> be worth thinking about per package selection, but this remains to be
>> seen.
>>
>> In your case it sounds to me that what you want to do is not install
>> any metas, and add individual packages afterwards, am I correct?
>>
>> The whole point of the metas is to provide all possible workflows,
>> and at the same time work as a showcase for new users. It's a way to
>> show what is available. There's no way we can make the metas suite
>> every individuals particular needs. And if someone wants to see a
>> wider range of metas, I'd like to see compelling reasons for doing
>> so. Currently, the ISO is quite small, about 2.5 GB. The menu is not
>> cluttered, thanks to our custom categorization. From my POV, it's
>> pretty well organized in that sense.
>>
>> Ardour is not more advanced than it needs to be for what it is
>> designed for. It's the only decent recording/mixing application for
>> Linux, if you ask me. Audacity is not a recording tool at all. It's
>> an audio wave editor. All though you can use it to both do multitrack
>> recording and mixing, that is not what it was designed for, and it's
>> quite poor at it as well.
>>
>> There's no getting around it. If you need to perform a task, you need
>> to learn how to do it. Sometimes, what you need is to code stuff
>> yourself, which is what I've found and which is why I use puredata.
>> But, granted, not everyone will want to do that. Not everyone will
>> want to use LMMS either. And some people will only want to use
>> supercollider.
>>
>> Making applications easier to use is not something we can change in
>> Ubuntu Studio, other than providing documentation and doing
>> tutorials. If you need smarter applications, you need to either code
>> them yourself, or help develop existing ones. We just provide them on
>> our ISO.
>>
>> There's been talk about providing an abstraction, in the form of an
>> application or by using existing tools for sessions management, to
>> make it easier for new users to find how to use the existing
>> applications in the system. But, someone will need to develop that..
>>
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Supercollider a fork?

[Pete Wright]

Hi, Gord and Howard,
I think the fact that all sorts of creative folks can use Ubuntu Studio
"out of the box" is a great thing.
Special tools and emphases can be added by the user.
Unless one is running really ancient hardware, there should be no need to
subtract anything; Howard, et al, do a great job of making sure everything
works with everything else. That is a terrific boon to us mere mortal users.
So rather than fork, let us continue to have a tool with many tines.
And thanks again to Howard and his team.
Onward and upward!
Pete


On Sun, Oct 6, 2013 at 7:22 AM, Ho Wan Chan  wrote:

> Hello Gord,
>
> 2013/10/6 Gord Williams :
> > This is appropriately named as it does collide with the intent of
> > Ubuntustudio which is a ready made studio for artists and musicians.
> This
> > is a development environment,   and although its specific to the needs of
> > people who would use these programs its not quite in the user space,
>  its in
> > developer space.
> >
> > Perhaps its appropriate at some point for Ubuntustudio to consider forks.
> > Ubuntustudio -dev  - would cover it.   Personally I would like to see
> > Ubuntustudio voice - for tracking and mastering voice projects.  Weeding
> out
> > synths and guitar boxes takes quite a bit of time after an install.
>
> Um, I believe that just makes Ubuntu Studio hard to use for everybody...
> >
> > Another thing I would like to see is to pick the flavour of desktop.
> Which
> > would probably not need a fork,  but if so  mine would be Ubuntustudio -
> > gnome.   I will let everyone else argue that Ubuntustudio - LXDE,  Unity,
> > or whatever is the best.   My pencils are on the left side of my desk,
>  and
> > they stay there!  ;>
>
> We ARE planning that for Ubuntu Studio 14.04 LTS (or later versions).
> Actually we've been working on that, but it does take time.
>
> >
> > Of course those who wish the whole thing if the forks were adopted could
> go
> > for - Ubuntustudio - all.
> >
> >
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Sock drawer

[Pete Wright]

OK, Ralf.
Kidding aside, I actually found that link to be usefully illuminating.
Especially in light of this one:

http://www.infoworld.com/d/data-center/what-if-verizon-succeeds-in-killing-the-internet-227175?source=IFWNLE_nlt_blogs_2013-09-23

Now back to the socks: Beavers seem like clean animals to me, living in the
water and all. But elderly readers (are there any besides me on this list?)
may find that reference objectionable as well.

I think I will stop now, no matter how clever your next response is. But
maybe we should make the serious matter of the threats to the open Internet
a new thread of its own. Not really off-topic on a list by and for creative
types.



On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 7:32 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

> On Mon, 2013-09-23 at 06:39 -0700, Pete Wright wrote:
> > xHamster
>
> When I quoted something about a xSheep from
>
> http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/09/06/0148201/schneier-the-us-government-has-betrayed-the-internet-we-need-to-take-it-back
> at Debian mailing list, it was considered as breaking the code of
> conduct ;). Better only mention "clean" animals, such as the ducks that
> only have uncles and aunts, but no parents.
>
>
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Sock drawer

[Pete Wright]

Holy socks, Gord! Thanks to you and Bing I threw out all the holey ones,
and now my feet have to go commando.
As to the night stand, Google and Bing are both too late: everybody put the
contents on xHamster years ago.
Onward and upward.
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] not smart enough to update adobe

[Pete Wright]

Monster crawler:   http://monstercrawler.com/ gives spartan but useful
results "distilled" from main engines.
Duckduckgo:  https://duckduckgo.com/   also claims privacy, gives decent
results

But (dare I say it?) richest result seemed to be from Bing (and this
morning it also gave me a wonderful picture of an Australian frog, free
with my order, no extra charge. Privacy? Not so much; like Google, it even
returns results from my Evernote account and probably my sock drawer. Life
is full of trade-offs.
Grins
Pete


On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 11:24 PM, Ralf Mardorf
wrote:

> On Sat, 2013-09-21 at 08:11 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > On Fri, 2013-09-20 at 17:38 -0500, Joseph Ronne wrote:
> > > Tried 'start page' ..  for Zimboanga it gives ads and zero
> > > information.. a pretty poor showing as a search engine
> >
> > About 10 results with family filter enabled, the same with family filter
> > disabled.
> >
> > The advantage of Google might be this:
> >
> > "Showing results for Zamboanga
> > Search instead for Zimboanga"
> >
> > However Google found 0 hits for Zimboanga, that are 10 hits less than
> > Start Page found here.
>
> Btw. 3 adds here and several non-ads hits and I missed that it also asks
> for Zamboanga.
>
> About 10 results (0.08 seconds)
> Did you mean: Zamboanga Bookmark this search
>
> Any time
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>
> NEW!
> Search tools
> (change settings)
>
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> Zamboanga City Philippines - chatabout.com
>
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>
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> Zamboanga Videos - travideos.com
>
> www.travideos.com/zamboanga
>
> Videos, clips, movies, tv shows and more zamboanga videos!
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>
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>
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] not smart enough to update adobe

[Pete Wright]

Many can.

  _I suspect that YouTube videos that start with a commercial, can't be
played without flash._


On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 9:26 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

> On Fri, 2013-09-20 at 08:59 -0700, leo wrote:
> > [Ralf wrote]:
> > > "The best thing to do, is to ignore home pages that need flash
> > > player for flashy effects or to play videos with advertisements
> > > and/or proprietary codecs, all the rest, e.g. playing YouTube
> > > videos, can be done with HTML5."
> > My question: How do I set up for to playYouTube with HTML5 rather
> > than Adobe Flash Player then?
>
> You have to do nothing, Firefox does this automatically. YouTube videos
> are playable by using free codecs only, sometimes it seems to take some
> hours, before the version is available, while the version using
> proprietary codecs is available as soon as somebody uploaded the video.
>
> _I suspect that YouTube videos that start with a commercial, can't be
> played without flash._
>
> Regards,
> Ralf
>
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] not smart enough to update adobe

[Pete Wright]

Thanks, all.
Good to hear that things are as "automatic" as I had come to believe.
I generally ignore everything Adobe, and would have this time, but the nag
came from the Mozilla folks, and I tend to trust them.
Again, thanks to all for the guidance.
This is a great group.
cheers
Pete


On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 2:44 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

> On Fri, 2013-09-20 at 10:39 +0200, reSet Sakrecoer wrote:
> > What is inside that tar.gz file? doubleclick it and see if you find
> > some .deb file. Then mostlikley you just need to unpack the tar.gz
> > file and double click it.
>
> It's irrelevant what's inside the tar.gz, since all major distros,
> including the official Ubuntu repositories used by Ubuntu Studio, do
> provide the last version of Adobe's flash player.
>
> "NOTE: Adobe Flash Player 11.2 will be the last version to target Linux
> as a supported platform. Adobe will continue to provide security
> backports to Flash Player 11.2 for Linux." -
> http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/
>
> However the tar.gz doesn't include a .deb, it would be nonsense to pack
> a .deb, but its contend mainly is the libflashplayer.so and a readme
> file. There are different things you can do with this lib. If somebody
> don't understand what to do with the lib and .deb wouldn't be available,
> than alien likely could make a .deb from the provided .rpm.
>
> "9/10/2013 – [snip] The latest versions are 11.8.800.174 (Win IE),
> 11.8.800.168 (Win non-IE), 11.8.800.168 (Mac) and 11.2.202.310 (Linux).
> All users are encouraged to update to these latest versions." -
> http://www.adobe.com/support/flashplayer/downloads.html
>
> Even with the Linux flash player installed, websites likely will nag
> that you should downlaod current version of flash. Again, use Chrome
> instead or another alternative would be to run Windows browsers using
> wine or a virtual machine with a Windows guest.
>
> The best thing to do, is to ignore home pages that need flash player for
> flashy effects or to play videos with advertisements and/or proprietary
> codecs, all the rest, e.g. playing YouTube videos, can be done with
> HTML5.
>
> Regards,
> Ralf
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] not smart enough to update adobe

[Pete Wright]

Thanks, Mike


On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 4:48 PM, Mike Holstein  wrote:

>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 7:32 PM, Pete Wright  wrote:
>
>> thanks, Mike
>> Problem is Mozilla says it is "vulnerable" whatever that means.
>> Might this just be a MS Windows issue I can safely ignore?
>>
>
> i would see that you are up to date with upgrade.. flash, java, the linux
> kernel.. firefox.. if you are, then you are up to date.. the warning you
> could be seeing could be because linux has an older version of flash.. you
> can check http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/
>
> what would i do? check to see if im vulnerable, and make sure firefox
> stops nagging me if that bothers me.
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 4:26 PM, Mike Holstein wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 7:21 PM, Pete Wright  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Mozilla newsletter today said "check plugins" so I did.
>>>> It said adobe shockwave plugin was out of date.
>>>> I downloaded the tar.gz file, but now I don't know what to do with it.
>>>> (couldn't make head nor sense of the instructions on Mozilla support.)
>>>> I thought Linux was going to become easier than windows, and it mostly
>>>> has. But every now and then it acts like Linux of yore, and I am not
>>>> bright/nerdy/patient enough to muddle through.
>>>> Suggestions?
>>>>
>>>
>>> im not sure what you are looking at, but if you are not having an issue
>>> accessing some specific content, i would just ignore what you are seeing
>>> til you are having a specific issue.. cheers
>>>
>>>
>>>> thanks
>>>>  Pete
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] not smart enough to update adobe

[Pete Wright]

thanks, Mike
Problem is Mozilla says it is "vulnerable" whatever that means.
Might this just be a MS Windows issue I can safely ignore?



On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 4:26 PM, Mike Holstein  wrote:

>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 7:21 PM, Pete Wright  wrote:
>
>> Mozilla newsletter today said "check plugins" so I did.
>> It said adobe shockwave plugin was out of date.
>> I downloaded the tar.gz file, but now I don't know what to do with it.
>> (couldn't make head nor sense of the instructions on Mozilla support.)
>> I thought Linux was going to become easier than windows, and it mostly
>> has. But every now and then it acts like Linux of yore, and I am not
>> bright/nerdy/patient enough to muddle through.
>> Suggestions?
>>
>
> im not sure what you are looking at, but if you are not having an issue
> accessing some specific content, i would just ignore what you are seeing
> til you are having a specific issue.. cheers
>
>
>> thanks
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[ubuntu-studio-users] not smart enough to update adobe

[Pete Wright]

Mozilla newsletter today said "check plugins" so I did.
It said adobe shockwave plugin was out of date.
I downloaded the tar.gz file, but now I don't know what to do with it.
(couldn't make head nor sense of the instructions on Mozilla support.)
I thought Linux was going to become easier than windows, and it mostly has.
But every now and then it acts like Linux of yore, and I am not
bright/nerdy/patient enough to muddle through.
Suggestions?
thanks
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Default search engine

[Pete Wright]

Thanks, Ralf; clearly the new 2cent gold coin (which I am herewith
proposing) should bear your likeness.
cheers,
Pete


On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Ralf Mardorf
wrote:

> Hi :)
>
> I recommend to use https://startpage.com as the default search engine.
>
> Read more:
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-users/2013-September/005944.html
>
> 2 Cents,
> Ralf
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Update question, untrusted packages

[Pete Wright]

Thanks, all.
I am now pretty clear on what to worry about or not.
I am now in full Alfred E. Neuman mode ("What, me worry?) and proceeding
with incaution.
Thanks again for all the insights.
Pete


On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Ralf Mardorf
wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, 2013-08-21 at 17:27 +0200, Pablo Fernandez wrote:
> > PPA repositories' lines are not in /etc/apt/sources.list. They are, as
> > plain text files, ending with ".list"  under
> > the /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ directory.
> >
> >
> > A more appropiate command to see the repos is:
> >
> > cat /etc/apt/sources.list  /etc/apt/sources.list.d/*
> >
> >
> > Or, to print just the active repos (all of them), filter out the lines
> > that are commented out:
> >
> >
> > cat /etc/apt/sources.list  /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* | grep -v "#"
> >
> >
> > You can comment out lines if you edit these files but I suggest you
> > should use Software Center or Synaptic to enable / disable repos.
> >
> >
> > In my experience, multiverse and universe are trustworthy repos and
> > most PPA's too. That said, I disable PPA's after installing some
> > packages that I want to have more up to date.
>
> Oops, than Pete can ignore my previous mail regarding to "partners" and
> "restricted" :D.
>
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Update question, untrusted packages

[Pete Wright]

Thanks, Pablo!
You and Ralf are making me dangerous, as in:  -- "A little knowledge is a
dangerous thing."
Pete


On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 8:27 AM, Pablo Fernandez wrote:

>
> Hi Pete, Ralf, ubuntu users! My English is not very good but some comments
> follow at the bottom
>
> On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 4:41 PM, Pete Wright  wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Ralf
>> The list is reproduced below. BTW, how do I "uncomment" if I choose to?
>> I can't think of anything I changed since the last update, so I am still
>> confused about getting this warning now.
>> Pete
>> pete@pete-GM5457E:~$ cat /etc/apt/sources.list
>> # deb cdrom:[Ubuntu-Studio 12.10 _Quantal Quetzal_ - Release i386
>> (20121017.1)]/ quantal main multiverse restricted universe
>>
>> # See http://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for how to upgrade to
>> # newer versions of the distribution.
>> deb http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ raring main restricted
>> deb-src http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ raring main restricted
>>
>> ## Major bug fix updates produced after the final release of the
>> ## distribution.
>> deb http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ raring-updates main restricted
>> deb-src http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ raring-updates main
>> restricted
>>
>> ## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the
>> Ubuntu
>> ## team. Also, please note that software in universe WILL NOT receive any
>> ## review or updates from the Ubuntu security team.
>> deb http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ raring universe
>> deb-src http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ raring universe
>> deb http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ raring-updates universe
>> deb-src http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ raring-updates universe
>>
>> ## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the
>> Ubuntu
>> ## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy yourself as
>> to
>> ## your rights to use the software. Also, please note that software in
>> ## multiverse WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu
>> ## security team.
>> deb http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ raring multiverse
>> deb-src http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ raring multiverse
>> deb http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ raring-updates multiverse
>> deb-src http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ raring-updates multiverse
>>
>> ## N.B. software from this repository may not have been tested as
>> ## extensively as that contained in the main release, although it includes
>> ## newer versions of some applications which may provide useful features.
>> ## Also, please note that software in backports WILL NOT receive any
>> review
>> ## or updates from the Ubuntu security team.
>> deb http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ raring-backports main
>> restricted universe multiverse
>> deb-src http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ raring-backports main
>> restricted universe multiverse
>>
>> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu raring-security main restricted
>> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu raring-security main restricted
>> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu raring-security universe
>> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu raring-security universe
>> deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu raring-security multiverse
>> deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu raring-security multiverse
>>
>> ## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from Canonical's
>> ## 'partner' repository.
>> ## This software is not part of Ubuntu, but is offered by Canonical and
>> the
>> ## respective vendors as a service to Ubuntu users.
>> deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu quantal partner
>> # deb-src http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu quantal partner
>>
>> ## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from Ubuntu's
>> ## 'extras' repository.
>> ## This software is not part of Ubuntu, but is offered by third-party
>> ## developers who want to ship their latest software.
>> deb http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu quantal main
>> # deb-src http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu quantal main
>> deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu raring main
>> # deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu raring main
>> pete@pete-GM5457E:~$
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Ralf Mardorf > > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, 2013-08-20 at 15:45 -0700, Pete Wright wrote:
>>> > I didn't think I had any unsupported ppa
>>>
>>> cat /etc/apt/sources.list
>>&g

Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Update question, untrusted packages

[Pete Wright]

Thanks, Ralf
The list is reproduced below. BTW, how do I "uncomment" if I choose to?
I can't think of anything I changed since the last update, so I am still
confused about getting this warning now.
Pete
pete@pete-GM5457E:~$ cat /etc/apt/sources.list
# deb cdrom:[Ubuntu-Studio 12.10 _Quantal Quetzal_ - Release i386
(20121017.1)]/ quantal main multiverse restricted universe

# See http://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for how to upgrade to
# newer versions of the distribution.
deb http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ raring main restricted
deb-src http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ raring main restricted

## Major bug fix updates produced after the final release of the
## distribution.
deb http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ raring-updates main restricted
deb-src http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ raring-updates main restricted

## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu
## team. Also, please note that software in universe WILL NOT receive any
## review or updates from the Ubuntu security team.
deb http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ raring universe
deb-src http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ raring universe
deb http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ raring-updates universe
deb-src http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ raring-updates universe

## N.B. software from this repository is ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTED by the Ubuntu
## team, and may not be under a free licence. Please satisfy yourself as to
## your rights to use the software. Also, please note that software in
## multiverse WILL NOT receive any review or updates from the Ubuntu
## security team.
deb http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ raring multiverse
deb-src http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ raring multiverse
deb http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ raring-updates multiverse
deb-src http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ raring-updates multiverse

## N.B. software from this repository may not have been tested as
## extensively as that contained in the main release, although it includes
## newer versions of some applications which may provide useful features.
## Also, please note that software in backports WILL NOT receive any review
## or updates from the Ubuntu security team.
deb http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ raring-backports main restricted
universe multiverse
deb-src http://ca.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ raring-backports main
restricted universe multiverse

deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu raring-security main restricted
deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu raring-security main restricted
deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu raring-security universe
deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu raring-security universe
deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu raring-security multiverse
deb-src http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu raring-security multiverse

## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from Canonical's
## 'partner' repository.
## This software is not part of Ubuntu, but is offered by Canonical and the
## respective vendors as a service to Ubuntu users.
deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu quantal partner
# deb-src http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu quantal partner

## Uncomment the following two lines to add software from Ubuntu's
## 'extras' repository.
## This software is not part of Ubuntu, but is offered by third-party
## developers who want to ship their latest software.
deb http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu quantal main
# deb-src http://extras.ubuntu.com/ubuntu quantal main
deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu raring main
# deb-src http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu raring main
pete@pete-GM5457E:~$



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>
> On Tue, 2013-08-20 at 15:45 -0700, Pete Wright wrote:
> > I didn't think I had any unsupported ppa
>
> cat /etc/apt/sources.list
>
> run in a terminal emulation will show if you're using a PPA or not.
>
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Update question, untrusted packages

[Pete Wright]

Thanks, all.
I didn't think I had any unsupported ppa but I am wracking my puny brain to
see what it might be (thought it was the chromium, but I guess not).
I will mess about and report back later.
grins
Pete


On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Mike Holstein  wrote:

>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Pete Wright  wrote:
>
>> Today's update is telling me that to update it will have to install
>> "untrusted packages" and download from "unauthenticated" sources.
>> The list looks like the usual suspects.
>> On a scale of 1 to 5 how worried should I be (where 1 is flat-out
>> paranoia and 5 is fuggeddaboudid)?
>> Pete (constantly being reborn as a newbie because stuff keeps changing
>> out from under me)
>>
>
> the short answer is like this.. PPA's and unsupported packages and sources
> are just that.. unsupported. if you trust the creator/maintainer of these
> packages and/or sources, then you can trust them. i use PPA's to add
> packages routinely, but i do read and understand the risks involved. no one
> here can tell you if the sources you have added are trustworthy... if you
> are having "issues", consider purging the ppa's you have added and get the
> system stable and go from there.. cheers!
>
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Update question, untrusted packages

[Pete Wright]

Hi, Ralf
I don't know how to tell which.
I unchecked Chromium and tried again and got the same message.
Do I have to do the whole list the same way, one at a time, to find out?



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> Which packages, from what repositories caused those warnings?
>
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[ubuntu-studio-users] Update question, untrusted packages

[Pete Wright]

Today's update is telling me that to update it will have to install
"untrusted packages" and download from "unauthenticated" sources.
The list looks like the usual suspects.
On a scale of 1 to 5 how worried should I be (where 1 is flat-out paranoia
and 5 is fuggeddaboudid)?
Pete (constantly being reborn as a newbie because stuff keeps changing out
from under me)
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Libre Office for Ubuntu Studio

[Pete Wright]

I think I agree with Ralf -- not a rare thing.
When I first learned about Ubuntu Studio I took the "for creative humans"
line seriously and I guess literally.
I am a film-maker and writer (sort of not-very-retired) and a serious
amateur fine-art photographer. Oddly, I never thought of Studio as solely
for sound folks, even though I subscribe to and read LAU because silent
films have become oddly unpopular over the years..
I use Libre, but I also like and use Abi on my laptops.
I guess my vote would be to use the smaller one on the initial download,
but make sure there is nothing in the distro that would prevent using
Libre, Abi, or OpenOffice or post a clear warning about any conflicts if
there are any.
Also, having the suggested (and presumably tested with the distro)
additional tools obviates a lot of this discussion, doesn't it?
Pete


On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 3:12 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

> I would remove Libre Office and install AbiWord. IMO it doesn't matter
> what Office software is installed, it's easy to remove and/or install
> other office software. Keep in mind that AbiWord is the default for
> Xubuntu, so it's less work to make the distro. The smaller the DVD image
> is, the faster we can download it. In the past I used Open Office, but I
> switched to AbiWord, since Open/Libre Office is to bloated for my needs.
> Regarding to the need of RAM and CPU resources it shouldn't make a
> difference, since I guess nobody need to run it during an audio
> production.
>
> IMO Nano-Basket, an editor for the much used KORG nanoKONTROL and
> JSynthLib, an editor for several hardware synth, are more useful for
> most of us, than heavy office software.
>
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Re: OT: Help with WIFI on HP Mini 110-1030CA

[Pete Wright]

Hi Ralph
This paragraph of yours (pasted below)  really resonates with me, and I
suggest you post it as a standalone to the whole Ubuntu community; the
whole Linux community, for that matter.
I actually treat myself as a noobie, because stuff keeps changing all the
time.
Everybody should remember they are all noobies at something unless they
have given up on curiosity and growth, and try to treat everybody like they
hope to be treated in those situations.
BTW -- always nice to have somebody who helped create something important
out themselves in a modest way so I can thank them. Accordingly, thank you
Ralph, thank you a lot!

"If you want to attract noobies to a system this is
not the right way to go about it. It is very difficult indeed for one
who is focussing on learning a new OS to have to wade through off-topic
messages and comments about their posting skills or the suitability of
the OS for them, especially if they are self-conscious. Please try to
put yourself in the OP's shoes before responding to a query from a
self-professed newcomer to Linux. I think it also helps to assume any
new poster is a noobie unless you know for sure they are not, and treat
them accordingly."


On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Ross Hamblin  wrote:

> On 24/07/13 01:31, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > On Tue, 2013-07-23 at 09:10 -0400, Lawrence H. Bulk wrote:
> >> EVERYTHING in Linux is simple once you know the answer!
> >
> > So if the answer to "why can't LINUX use my hardware" is, that there is
> > no driver available, then it's simple to solve? Simply write a driver
> > yourself or simply pay money to get hardware that does work with Linux
> > and that has to be developed, because no available hardware does run on
> > Linux?
> > Or if you need e.g. professional NLE video software or a professional
> > working DAW, than simply write the NLE software yourself, pay somebody
> > to do, buy 100 motherboards until one is stable with your professional
> > sound card and Linux?
> >
> > Note! I'm using Linux only for > than a decade, another issues is, that
> > if you know the answer, e.g. how to do something assumed your Linux does
> > use init, than don't expect that you can solve the same issues a year
> > later, when distros switch to upstart or systemd. Don't expect this for
> > tons of other issues ;).
> >
> > To set up professional Linux environments does mean that you have to
> > figure out things again and again, to pay much money etc., sure once you
> > know the answer, then you know the answer, but for 1 answer you get, 2
> > new answers will appear.
> >
> > Users willing to use Linux, should be aware of this. Linux isn't simple!
> > To use Linux needs lot of knowhow and you need to refresh this knowhow
> > each day.
> >
> Has any one else noticed Ryan's silence? I could be wrong, but it looks
> to me that he may have been scared off by all the off-topic and lack of
> focus on his original query in this thread (and the joke probably didn't
> help much either). If you want to attract noobies to a system this is
> not the right way to go about it. It is very difficult indeed for one
> who is focussing on learning a new OS to have to wade through off-topic
> messages and comments about their posting skills or the suitability of
> the OS for them, especially if they are self-conscious. Please try to
> put yourself in the OP's shoes before responding to a query from a
> self-professed newcomer to Linux. I think it also helps to assume any
> new poster is a noobie unless you know for sure they are not, and treat
> them accordingly.
>
> I was responsible for developing the system/software/recoveryCD for this
> product: http://www.pcworld.co.nz/article/486065/enter_terminator/ in
> 2001-2002 which I believe at the time was one of the first retail
> desktop PCs running Linux out of box. I was also responsible for
> technical support so I do have some experience in this field. We found
> with that product that the support requirements were far less than the
> equivalent Windows based desktop machines of the day. Now that
> installation procedures for most distros are very simple Linux isn't so
> different or complicated, it is the post-install support that decides
> whether people stick with Linux or not.
>
> Ross
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Re: Help with WIFI on HP Mini 110-1030CA

[Pete Wright]

Don't know if this may make you feel better or just muddy the water
further, but I have had similar problems with more than one HP laptop
(including one mini) with only Windows installed. In fact the first time I
used Linux for work was during a desperate effort to revive the WiFi on an
HP lap. (Linux didn't help with that, but I soon realized I needed to use
Linux more and Windows less, so the effort was not wasted.)
In all cases my final solution was to get a little USB WiFi stick and use
that with the HPs.
grins
Pete



On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 6:10 AM, Lawrence H. Bulk  wrote:

> If you cannot go into the top panel to ensure that  is
> activated, and function keys do not work, then go into the Settings
> Manager->Users and Groups->Advanced Settings (enter computer's
> password)->User Privileges. Check each and every option and then accept.
> (If you do not see an Apply or Accept button at the bottom, click on Tab,
> then click on Right Arrow, then hit Enter.) Close the Advanced Settings by
> hitting Enter, then go back in to make sure that your changes were
> accepted. If they are, close out everything, restart your computer, and see
> if you then have Wi-Fi connectivity and/or the option to activate same.
>
> If all this does not work, then I'm afraid I am at a loss to help you.
> Someone a lot smarter than I will have to step in. But I can tell you that
> there is probably some simple solution to this problem (EVERYTHING in Linux
> is simple once you know the answer!) so do not give up. There is certainly
> a way to have your computer connect to the Internet using Wi-Fi.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 6:05 PM, Ryan Thompson 
> wrote:
>
>> Unfortunately, I don't even have the option to activate wifi in my
>> network options.  I've tried manually creating one but no luck there.  Any
>> thoughts?
>> On 2013-07-22 6:08 PM, "Lawrence H. Bulk"  wrote:
>>
>>> I should also mention that you should go to the top panel and open the
>>> network connection icon. Make sure that  is activated.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 8:41 AM, Ryan Thompson <
>>> ryandmsthomp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
  On 13-07-22 09:35 AM, Lawrence H. Bulk wrote:

  It is possible that your netbook has a  (may be F11)
 combination necessary to activate its Wi-Fi; both of my netbooks do. Try
 looking it up for your particular netbook or just try all the combinations
 to see if one works. Also make certain that your BIOS is set to its default
 settings.

  Hope that helps ...


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Re: brushes for Gimp

[Pete Wright]

Yes, George, I agree and hope I am working my way up to being able to do
some of that soon. On interesting ways to use one's own brushes, too.


On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 3:57 AM, George DiceGeorge
wrote:

>   *From:* Pete Wright *  wrote:*
> xx
>  Open Source is now leading the way in many critical areas.
> Giving back is harder for those of us who are not coders, but I have been
> doing what I could for several years; urging schools to move to Open
> Source; urging students to learn and use Open Source; etc.
> xxx
>  Theres lots of whizz kid coders who dont seem to bother with user
> manuals,
>  we can all give back by helping with documentation and helps,
>  looks like there a gimp help page or wiki on importing brushes
>  which needs creating or improving!
>
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Re: brushes for Gimp

[Pete Wright]

Thanks, Hartmut.
I had been clicking the wrong links.
There were other "download" buttons along the side, some of them for other
programs, like commercial pdf readers.
The correct button was "hidden" among those.
Cheers
Pete


On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 2:27 AM, Hartmut Noack wrote:

> Am 26.05.2013 02:57, schrieb Pete Wright:
> > Okay, I give up.
> > Maybe you can describe to me just what you did at the deviantart site.
> > What did you click?
>
> In the column to the right there is a green Button reading "Download File".
>
> > Then what happened?
>
> Firefox downloaded the ZIP-Archive to the Downloads Folder.
>
> There I opened it using Dolphins ZIP-reader builtin and copied the
> WaterBrushes  folder to $HOME/.gimp-2.8/brushes
>
> You do not need to use a Torrent-client or any other specialized
> downloader: just use the http-download built into every sane browser
> since the early 90ies ;-)
>
> > I am completely baffled.
> > Pete
> >
> >
> > On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Pete Wright  wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks, HZN
> >> checked to make sure I was logged in, and it still does nothing.
> >> Acts like it's doing something, but no download or link to bit torrent
> >> (Transmission is the bit torrent tool in the Ubuntu Studio package).
> >> Please don't think about this anymore for a little while; I am going to
> >> switch browsers and see if that is the problem.
> >> Pete
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Hartmut Noack  >wrote:
> >>
> >>> Am 26.05.2013 00:33, schrieb Pete Wright:
> >>>> Almost through the process of getting weaned from PaintShopPro after
> >>> many
> >>>> happy years with it.
> >>>> Now I can do pretty much everything in Gimp I could do with PSP.
> >>>> I can make my own brushes and use them.
> >>>> But so far I can't get any of the zillions of free brushes from sites
> >>> like
> >>>> Noupe.
> >>>> How do I get a set of brushes using Transmission?
> >>>
> >>> I do not know Transmission, it is a convenience-tool to download
> brushes
> >>> and the like?
> >>>
> >>> Anyway you request made me try to find out, if I can do that. So I
> >>> registered with deviant art and downloaded this
> >>>
> >>> http://browse.deviantart.com/art/GIMP-Water-Brushes-62663732
> >>>
> >>> The zip-file contained a folder that I copied to .gimp2.8/brushes in my
> >>> home-folder. Then I started GIMP and the brushes where available.
> >>>
> >>> May work for you as well?
> >>>
> >>> best regards
> >>>
> >>> HZN
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Madly right and left clicking the various links (my usual last resort
> >>> when
> >>>> I don't know what I am doing) yields no joy.
> >>>> I use Transmission for getting iso files, etc. so I know it works.
> >>>> NoScript is often the fly in the ointment, but even with "temporarily
> >>> all
> >>>> this page" I am getting nothing.
> >>>> What obvious thing that everybody else knows by osmosis or instinct
> >>> (yes, I
> >>>> am feeling sorry for myself!) am I missing?
> >>>> Thanks
> >>>> Pete
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
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Re: brushes for Gimp

[Pete Wright]

Thanks, Mike
All good suggestions, and I was actually already following some of them,
sort of. Been using Gimp for several months now, compared to about 20 years
with PSP, and am already convinced there isn't anything I did with PSP I
can't do with Gimp.
Actually the things you say would probably apply to any application, Open
Source or commercial.
I didn't start doing the brush stuff until I was satisfied that I could do
pretty much everything else I was used to doing with PSP, and I got there a
lot sooner than expected.
Part of that success was the result of people like you being willing to
answer the questions that arose along the way.
I am a firm believer in RTFM and the Linux world has improved greatly in
that regard in recent years.
I also believe that Open Source is now past a major "tipping point," and
development will now outpace most of the commercial closed source world.
We are already way past Open Source just mimicking functionality; Open
Source is now leading the way in many critical areas.
Giving back is harder for those of us who are not coders, but I have been
doing what I could for several years; urging schools to move to Open
Source; urging students to learn and use Open Source; etc.
My Saturday afternoon pursuing the elusive "free and wonderful" brushes was
not a waste of time for me; gave me a greater appreciation of my own stupid
brushes, for one thing, and an even greater appreciation of the value of
this group.
I hope it was not a waste of time for you, either.
Cheers
Pete



On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 7:20 PM, Mike Holstein  wrote:

>
>
>
> On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 9:43 PM, Pete Wright  wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Andy et al!
>> Never thought to look for the actual download link over there; thought
>> those were just for advertised pdf readers and such.
>> I will calm down now.
>> Have a nice weekend, all.
>> Pete
>>
>
> hey pete!..  will make a few suggestions for you which i hope will help...
>
> think about how long you used "paintshop pro" or whatever software you
> were using before "as-is".. try and use the GIMP "as-is" for a while, and
> get used to it... a few weeks or months even..
>
> try asking more specific support venues, such as a gimp irc channel
> http://www.gimp.org/irc.html or mailing list
> http://www.gimp.org/mail_lists.html ..also, if you are having issues with
> something at a site such as devian art, ask them.. we dont have anything to
> do with the creation or support of 3rd party software at external sites,
> unless one of the list volunteers says they are a part of the 3rd party..
>
> cheers and good luck.. and keep in mind, the GIMP is free.. free of cost,
> and free as in open.. *anyone* can create a brush or an add-on or an extra
> package, or give a suggestion about what cool things it can do. that doesnt
> mean its true, or that the add-on works, or is actually available.. nor is
> anyone guaranteeing anything in the way of its availability or stability...
> stick with stock as much as you can in the beginning
>
>
>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 6:28 PM, VE4PER/ Andy  wrote:
>>
>>>  I managed to get a couple of brush sets from those links. I found the
>>> link that worked was on right hand side about 1/3 way down the page simply
>>> click the word "Download"
>>>
>>> worked for Gimp 2.6 as well just extract the files and copy to the
>>> hidden gimp brushes folder in ur linux home folder.
>>>
>>> Haven't tried photshop elements yet to see if they work there.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 26/05/13 02:22, Pete Wright wrote:
>>>
>>>Please note that in all the previous mewling and whining I have
>>> confused using torrent and just clicking download links.
>>>  Neither is working for me.
>>>  I keep hearing about all this great stuff that is available for Gimp,
>>> but I can't download so much as a logo.
>>>  Good thing I know how to make my own brushes -- I can just sit
>>> cross-legged here in the corner and make my own while the rest of you play
>>> nicely together.
>>>  Sheesh!
>>>  Pete
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 6:18 PM, Pete Wright  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Nothing seems to actually be downloading.
>>>>  Well, one of my attempts got me something with a .gbr extension, but
>>>> putting it in my gimp2.8 brush folder doesn't seem to have made any
>>>> difference.
>>>>  I click on the links at deviantart and nothing seems to happen.
>>>>  I suppose there is some way to search for brushes on torrents so I can
>>>> 

Re: brushes for Gimp

[Pete Wright]

Thanks, Andy et al!
Never thought to look for the actual download link over there; thought
those were just for advertised pdf readers and such.
I will calm down now.
Have a nice weekend, all.
Pete


On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 6:28 PM, VE4PER/ Andy  wrote:

>  I managed to get a couple of brush sets from those links. I found the
> link that worked was on right hand side about 1/3 way down the page simply
> click the word "Download"
>
> worked for Gimp 2.6 as well just extract the files and copy to the hidden
> gimp brushes folder in ur linux home folder.
>
> Haven't tried photshop elements yet to see if they work there.
>
>
> On 26/05/13 02:22, Pete Wright wrote:
>
>Please note that in all the previous mewling and whining I have
> confused using torrent and just clicking download links.
>  Neither is working for me.
>  I keep hearing about all this great stuff that is available for Gimp, but
> I can't download so much as a logo.
>  Good thing I know how to make my own brushes -- I can just sit
> cross-legged here in the corner and make my own while the rest of you play
> nicely together.
>  Sheesh!
>  Pete
>
>
> On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 6:18 PM, Pete Wright  wrote:
>
>> Nothing seems to actually be downloading.
>>  Well, one of my attempts got me something with a .gbr extension, but
>> putting it in my gimp2.8 brush folder doesn't seem to have made any
>> difference.
>>  I click on the links at deviantart and nothing seems to happen.
>>  I suppose there is some way to search for brushes on torrents so I can
>> use transmission, but I don't know how to do that, either.
>>  The instructions at Lifehacker say "just search."
>>  How do you search in transmission? I just know how to start it from a
>> seed; a seed I download in the usual manner.
>>  I disabled noscript in Firefox and when that didn't help I installed and
>> tried Chromium. No Joy.
>>  Am I cursed?
>>  Pete
>>
>>
>> On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 6:07 PM, Matt Wheeler  wrote:
>>
>>> On 25 May 2013 23:33, Pete Wright  wrote:
>>> > Almost through the process of getting weaned from PaintShopPro after
>>> many
>>> > happy years with it.
>>> > Now I can do pretty much everything in Gimp I could do with PSP.
>>> > I can make my own brushes and use them.
>>> > But so far I can't get any of the zillions of free brushes from sites
>>> like
>>> > Noupe.
>>> > How do I get a set of brushes using Transmission?
>>>
>>>  Transmission is a program specifically for using bittorrent. If you
>>> have downloaded a file that is not a .torrent file you don't need to
>>> use Transmission, you already have the file you want.
>>>
>>> > Madly right and left clicking the various links (my usual last resort
>>> when I
>>> > don't know what I am doing) yields no joy.
>>> > I use Transmission for getting iso files, etc. so I know it works.
>>> > NoScript is often the fly in the ointment, but even with "temporarily
>>> all
>>> > this page" I am getting nothing.
>>> > What obvious thing that everybody else knows by osmosis or instinct
>>> (yes, I
>>> > am feeling sorry for myself!) am I missing?
>>>
>>>  Perhaps the file you have downloaded is an archive of some sort (zip,
>>> rar, gz etc.) that you need to uncompress. I'm not sure exactly which
>>> tool you would use to do that in xfce (the desktop environment that
>>> ubuntustudio uses), but you might be able to just right click on it
>>> (in your downloads folder) and click "extract here" or something
>>> similar.
>>>
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Re: brushes for Gimp

[Pete Wright]

Yes, Matt, thanks.
I had used that link earlier in learning where to put the brushes I made
myself.
Apparently the one gbr file I managed to download made brushes too similar
to ones already in Gimp as installed, so I ddin't realize I had actually
succeeded.
Now the only remaining mystery is why I can't seem to get any of the others.
Onward and upward
Pete


On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 6:25 PM, Matt Wheeler  wrote:

> On 26 May 2013 02:18, Pete Wright  wrote:
> > Nothing seems to actually be downloading.
> > Well, one of my attempts got me something with a .gbr extension, but
> putting
> > it in my gimp2.8 brush folder doesn't seem to have made any difference.
>
> gbr (or a couple of other possibilities) is what you want. Have you
> seen this page? http://docs.gimp.org/en/gimp-using-brushes.html
>
> > I click on the links at deviantart and nothing seems to happen.
> > I suppose there is some way to search for brushes on torrents so I can
> use
> > transmission, but I don't know how to do that, either.
>
> Actually I'd be surprised if you found many brushes on torrent sites
> (Bittorrent is generally used for large files which would use up a lot
> of bandwidth, so sharing the load of distributing makes more sense).
>
> > The instructions at Lifehacker say "just search."
> > How do you search in transmission? I just know how to start it from a
> seed;
> > a seed I download in the usual manner.
> > I disabled noscript in Firefox and when that didn't help I installed and
> > tried Chromium. No Joy.
> > Am I cursed?
>
> It sounds like you've had at least some success downloading a .gbr
> file but haven't managed to get it to show up in GIMP yet, does the
> link I gave above help at all with that?
>
>
> Thanks
>
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Re: brushes for Gimp

[Pete Wright]

Please note that in all the previous mewling and whining I have confused
using torrent and just clicking download links.
Neither is working for me.
I keep hearing about all this great stuff that is available for Gimp, but I
can't download so much as a logo.
Good thing I know how to make my own brushes -- I can just sit cross-legged
here in the corner and make my own while the rest of you play nicely
together.
Sheesh!
Pete


On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 6:18 PM, Pete Wright  wrote:

> Nothing seems to actually be downloading.
> Well, one of my attempts got me something with a .gbr extension, but
> putting it in my gimp2.8 brush folder doesn't seem to have made any
> difference.
> I click on the links at deviantart and nothing seems to happen.
> I suppose there is some way to search for brushes on torrents so I can use
> transmission, but I don't know how to do that, either.
> The instructions at Lifehacker say "just search."
> How do you search in transmission? I just know how to start it from a
> seed; a seed I download in the usual manner.
> I disabled noscript in Firefox and when that didn't help I installed and
> tried Chromium. No Joy.
> Am I cursed?
> Pete
>
>
> On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 6:07 PM, Matt Wheeler  wrote:
>
>> On 25 May 2013 23:33, Pete Wright  wrote:
>> > Almost through the process of getting weaned from PaintShopPro after
>> many
>> > happy years with it.
>> > Now I can do pretty much everything in Gimp I could do with PSP.
>> > I can make my own brushes and use them.
>> > But so far I can't get any of the zillions of free brushes from sites
>> like
>> > Noupe.
>> > How do I get a set of brushes using Transmission?
>>
>> Transmission is a program specifically for using bittorrent. If you
>> have downloaded a file that is not a .torrent file you don't need to
>> use Transmission, you already have the file you want.
>>
>> > Madly right and left clicking the various links (my usual last resort
>> when I
>> > don't know what I am doing) yields no joy.
>> > I use Transmission for getting iso files, etc. so I know it works.
>> > NoScript is often the fly in the ointment, but even with "temporarily
>> all
>> > this page" I am getting nothing.
>> > What obvious thing that everybody else knows by osmosis or instinct
>> (yes, I
>> > am feeling sorry for myself!) am I missing?
>>
>> Perhaps the file you have downloaded is an archive of some sort (zip,
>> rar, gz etc.) that you need to uncompress. I'm not sure exactly which
>> tool you would use to do that in xfce (the desktop environment that
>> ubuntustudio uses), but you might be able to just right click on it
>> (in your downloads folder) and click "extract here" or something
>> similar.
>>
>> --
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>> m...@funkyhat.org
>>
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Re: brushes for Gimp

[Pete Wright]

Nothing seems to actually be downloading.
Well, one of my attempts got me something with a .gbr extension, but
putting it in my gimp2.8 brush folder doesn't seem to have made any
difference.
I click on the links at deviantart and nothing seems to happen.
I suppose there is some way to search for brushes on torrents so I can use
transmission, but I don't know how to do that, either.
The instructions at Lifehacker say "just search."
How do you search in transmission? I just know how to start it from a seed;
a seed I download in the usual manner.
I disabled noscript in Firefox and when that didn't help I installed and
tried Chromium. No Joy.
Am I cursed?
Pete


On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 6:07 PM, Matt Wheeler  wrote:

> On 25 May 2013 23:33, Pete Wright  wrote:
> > Almost through the process of getting weaned from PaintShopPro after many
> > happy years with it.
> > Now I can do pretty much everything in Gimp I could do with PSP.
> > I can make my own brushes and use them.
> > But so far I can't get any of the zillions of free brushes from sites
> like
> > Noupe.
> > How do I get a set of brushes using Transmission?
>
> Transmission is a program specifically for using bittorrent. If you
> have downloaded a file that is not a .torrent file you don't need to
> use Transmission, you already have the file you want.
>
> > Madly right and left clicking the various links (my usual last resort
> when I
> > don't know what I am doing) yields no joy.
> > I use Transmission for getting iso files, etc. so I know it works.
> > NoScript is often the fly in the ointment, but even with "temporarily all
> > this page" I am getting nothing.
> > What obvious thing that everybody else knows by osmosis or instinct
> (yes, I
> > am feeling sorry for myself!) am I missing?
>
> Perhaps the file you have downloaded is an archive of some sort (zip,
> rar, gz etc.) that you need to uncompress. I'm not sure exactly which
> tool you would use to do that in xfce (the desktop environment that
> ubuntustudio uses), but you might be able to just right click on it
> (in your downloads folder) and click "extract here" or something
> similar.
>
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Re: brushes for Gimp

[Pete Wright]

Okay, I give up.
Maybe you can describe to me just what you did at the deviantart site.
What did you click?
Then what happened?
I am completely baffled.
Pete


On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Pete Wright  wrote:

> Thanks, HZN
> checked to make sure I was logged in, and it still does nothing.
> Acts like it's doing something, but no download or link to bit torrent
> (Transmission is the bit torrent tool in the Ubuntu Studio package).
> Please don't think about this anymore for a little while; I am going to
> switch browsers and see if that is the problem.
> Pete
>
>
> On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Hartmut Noack wrote:
>
>> Am 26.05.2013 00:33, schrieb Pete Wright:
>> > Almost through the process of getting weaned from PaintShopPro after
>> many
>> > happy years with it.
>> > Now I can do pretty much everything in Gimp I could do with PSP.
>> > I can make my own brushes and use them.
>> > But so far I can't get any of the zillions of free brushes from sites
>> like
>> > Noupe.
>> > How do I get a set of brushes using Transmission?
>>
>> I do not know Transmission, it is a convenience-tool to download brushes
>> and the like?
>>
>> Anyway you request made me try to find out, if I can do that. So I
>> registered with deviant art and downloaded this
>>
>> http://browse.deviantart.com/art/GIMP-Water-Brushes-62663732
>>
>> The zip-file contained a folder that I copied to .gimp2.8/brushes in my
>> home-folder. Then I started GIMP and the brushes where available.
>>
>> May work for you as well?
>>
>> best regards
>>
>> HZN
>>
>>
>> > Madly right and left clicking the various links (my usual last resort
>> when
>> > I don't know what I am doing) yields no joy.
>> > I use Transmission for getting iso files, etc. so I know it works.
>> > NoScript is often the fly in the ointment, but even with "temporarily
>> all
>> > this page" I am getting nothing.
>> > What obvious thing that everybody else knows by osmosis or instinct
>> (yes, I
>> > am feeling sorry for myself!) am I missing?
>> > Thanks
>> > Pete
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
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Re: brushes for Gimp

[Pete Wright]

Thanks, HZN
checked to make sure I was logged in, and it still does nothing.
Acts like it's doing something, but no download or link to bit torrent
(Transmission is the bit torrent tool in the Ubuntu Studio package).
Please don't think about this anymore for a little while; I am going to
switch browsers and see if that is the problem.
Pete


On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Hartmut Noack wrote:

> Am 26.05.2013 00:33, schrieb Pete Wright:
> > Almost through the process of getting weaned from PaintShopPro after many
> > happy years with it.
> > Now I can do pretty much everything in Gimp I could do with PSP.
> > I can make my own brushes and use them.
> > But so far I can't get any of the zillions of free brushes from sites
> like
> > Noupe.
> > How do I get a set of brushes using Transmission?
>
> I do not know Transmission, it is a convenience-tool to download brushes
> and the like?
>
> Anyway you request made me try to find out, if I can do that. So I
> registered with deviant art and downloaded this
>
> http://browse.deviantart.com/art/GIMP-Water-Brushes-62663732
>
> The zip-file contained a folder that I copied to .gimp2.8/brushes in my
> home-folder. Then I started GIMP and the brushes where available.
>
> May work for you as well?
>
> best regards
>
> HZN
>
>
> > Madly right and left clicking the various links (my usual last resort
> when
> > I don't know what I am doing) yields no joy.
> > I use Transmission for getting iso files, etc. so I know it works.
> > NoScript is often the fly in the ointment, but even with "temporarily all
> > this page" I am getting nothing.
> > What obvious thing that everybody else knows by osmosis or instinct
> (yes, I
> > am feeling sorry for myself!) am I missing?
> > Thanks
> > Pete
> >
> >
> >
>
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brushes for Gimp

[Pete Wright]

Almost through the process of getting weaned from PaintShopPro after many
happy years with it.
Now I can do pretty much everything in Gimp I could do with PSP.
I can make my own brushes and use them.
But so far I can't get any of the zillions of free brushes from sites like
Noupe.
How do I get a set of brushes using Transmission?
Madly right and left clicking the various links (my usual last resort when
I don't know what I am doing) yields no joy.
I use Transmission for getting iso files, etc. so I know it works.
NoScript is often the fly in the ointment, but even with "temporarily all
this page" I am getting nothing.
What obvious thing that everybody else knows by osmosis or instinct (yes, I
am feeling sorry for myself!) am I missing?
Thanks
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Re: Error I don't understand

[Pete Wright]

Thanks, Tim and Pablo!
That was quick.
Pete


On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 12:21 PM, Pablo Fernandez wrote:

>
>
>
> On Fri, May 24, 2013 at 9:10 PM, Pete Wright  wrote:
>
>> The error says "Check Internet Connection." Clicking details give the
>> results pasted below.
>> All my applications that use the internet are working just fine,
>> including Firefox.
>> I am running 13.04.
>> Why should my system be looking for 12.10 CD-ROMs?
>> Running Synaptic comes up with nothing needing update.
>> Is the system trying to look at something it thinks is installed locally?
>> I have been ignoring this for some time.
>> Any enlightenment available?
>> Thanks
>> Pete
>>
>
>
> Hi Pete!
>
> You probably have CDROM enabled as a software repository
> In Synaptic, check Settings -> Repositories:  "Other software" tab.
> Disable CDROM and Reload
>
> Cheers! Pablo
>
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Error I don't understand

[Pete Wright]

The error says "Check Internet Connection." Clicking details give the
results pasted below.
All my applications that use the internet are working just fine, including
Firefox.
I am running 13.04.
Why should my system be looking for 12.10 CD-ROMs?
Running Synaptic comes up with nothing needing update.
Is the system trying to look at something it thinks is installed locally?
I have been ignoring this for some time.
Any enlightenment available?
Thanks
Pete

W:Failed to fetch cdrom://Ubuntu-Studio 12.10 _Quantal Quetzal_ - Release
i386 (20121017.1)/dists/quantal/main/binary-i386/Packages  Please use
apt-cdrom to make this CD-ROM recognized by APT. apt-get update cannot be
used to add new CD-ROMs
, W:Failed to fetch cdrom://Ubuntu-Studio 12.10 _Quantal Quetzal_ - Release
i386 (20121017.1)/dists/quantal/multiverse/binary-i386/Packages  Please use
apt-cdrom to make this CD-ROM recognized by APT. apt-get update cannot be
used to add new CD-ROMs
, W:Failed to fetch cdrom://Ubuntu-Studio 12.10 _Quantal Quetzal_ - Release
i386 (20121017.1)/dists/quantal/restricted/binary-i386/Packages  Please use
apt-cdrom to make this CD-ROM recognized by APT. apt-get update cannot be
used to add new CD-ROMs
, W:Failed to fetch cdrom://Ubuntu-Studio 12.10 _Quantal Quetzal_ - Release
i386 (20121017.1)/dists/quantal/universe/binary-i386/Packages  Please use
apt-cdrom to make this CD-ROM recognized by APT. apt-get update cannot be
used to add new CD-ROMs
, E:Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old
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Re: Running big Open Source applications in the cloud?

[Pete Wright]

Thanks, Hazan, for the good link.
But all this discussion is still about various pieces of client software
you run on a local machine no matter where you get it or how you pay for it.
I am talking about running the software remotely (in the cloud), not on
local machines, with only data (and commands) passed back and forth.
>From what I have read so far, Adobe is not talking about that, despite the
"cloud" in their name for the new iteration of their suite.
Autodesk has been playing with this concept with very interesting results.
Their 123D Catch is amazing.
 http://www.123dapp.com/catch
And here is the "octocopter" capturing the images to make a 3D 123D catch
of their HQ.
 http://www.gizmag.com/autodesk-octocopter-3d-images/22083/
You can do this with your cell phone, uploading the pix to 123D catch where
all the computational heavy lifting is done in the cloud.
I am looking forward to the day when we can do this all complex tasks, and
Open Source seems like the best way to go forward.
Cheers
Pete



On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Hazan Pérez  wrote:

> I read this interesting article a few days ago, it addresses the Cloud
> part:
>
> http://libregraphicsworld.org/blog/entry/raving-over-adobe-creative-cloud-or-using-free-software
>
> If you'd like to know more you would have to ask the developers
> directly.
>
> Also, I think that the Software as a Service part of the cloud goes
> against the principles of the Free Software, I heard RMS say so as
> well, so I doubt they'll implement it (I saw a few experiments made by
> the GNOME team in that respect though). As for sync between different
> devices and the such the article mentions that (that must come from the
> user though)
>
> I hope this helps solve your doubts.
>
>
> El lun 20 may 2013 11:17:32 COT, Pete Wright escribió:
> > What, if any, progress is being made to running GIMP, Blender, et all,
> > in the Cloud? Anybody doing this? If so, how can we help? If not, why
> not?
> > Pete
> >
> >
>
>
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Re: Distros and Desktops, almost OT

[Pete Wright]

Well, Ralf, no doubt I need the finger wag.
I have resisted doing anything partly because I don't have much money but
mostly because I think it is like my old grand-daddy's axe that will last
another hundred years if I just give it a new head and a new handle.
Grins
Pete


On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 9:40 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

> On Mon, 2013-05-20 at 09:15 -0700, Pete Wright wrote:
> > I think I have  chunk of bad memory, and Linux seems to know it and
> > avoid it.
>
> Possible, but Linux doesn't do black magic ;), take care to repair your
> machine, if it's important for your work. It could stop working from one
> minute to the next for Linux too ;). I guess you are aware of this, but
> perhaps you need a wagging finger :D.
>
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Running big Open Source applications in the cloud?

[Pete Wright]

What, if any, progress is being made to running GIMP, Blender, et all, in
the Cloud? Anybody doing this? If so, how can we help? If not, why not?
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Re: Distros and Desktops, almost OT

[Pete Wright]

Thanks, Alf, Harry, and Ralf, all this is very helpful to me.
The only Windows program I might still use if my Windows was working is
PaintShopPro, and I am now pretty much convinced there is nothing in it
that I can't do with GIMP and other Open Source programs like Raw Therapy.
Yes, some PSP things are more automated, but then you have to pay attention
to which changes you make first and in what increments, so doing things in
a less automated way is a fair enough tradeoff, it seems to me.


I tried running an early version of PSP in Wine years ago, and haven't
tried since, because it is still reported as a no-go in Wine.

The reason my windows failed, I believe, is because my hardware is failing.
Linux is less demanding, I guess. Until I can afford to do something about
it, I try not to think about it. I think I have  chunk of bad memory, and
Linux seems to know it and avoid it.

My wife and daughter both have Windows machines I can run the Corel stuff
on, if I am willing put up with the inconvenience.

More and more, however, I think when I am willing to leave PSP behind
entirely I am also willing to leave Windows behind.

Which brings me to a new topic I will introduce later, which I don't think
is so dumb: What, if any, progress is being made to running GIMP, Blender,
et all, in the Cloud? Anybody doing this? If so, how can we help? If not,
why not? (Don't answer this here; please answer in the new thread I will
start in the next few minutes.

Again, thanks all!


On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 7:28 AM, Alf Haakon Lund wrote:

> I was unaware of that one. Installed it but couldn't find it in any menus
> afterwards. Don't know which command to run. To much time required for me
> to want to continue testing. Uninstalled. Will try again if virtualbox
> fails me.
>
> Al F
>
>
>
>
> On 20. mai 2013 08:24, Harry Franz wrote:
>
>> You should also install vmware player. It also allows you to run virtual
>> machines and might be more compatible with your computer. In my case
>> vmware
>> is more efficient with the display update/refresh, sometimes with
>> virtualbox the images remain the same when the windows focus is toggled.
>>
>> On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 3:18 PM, Alf Haakon Lund > >wrote:
>>
>>  Thank you for asking this particular question, as it reminded me to
>>> install virtualbox, which I've been planning for a while.
>>>
>>> I need windows for one, maybe two, programs and as I never bother to
>>> restart just to run them, virtualbox is the solution.
>>>
>>> They say no questions are dumb, but it's also said that the fool may ask
>>> more than ten wise men may answer. Take your pick...
>>>
>>> Al F
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 18. mai 2013 19:54, Pete Wright wrote:
>>>
>>>  Nobody has asked a dumb/weird question in quite a while, so I guess it
>>>> is
>>>> up to me again.
>>>>
>>>> As part of some research I am doing (either for the TED talk I will
>>>> never
>>>> give or the book I will never publish, haven't decided which yet) I want
>>>> to
>>>> play around with some different distros, particularly desktops.
>>>>
>>>> How much are Linux desktops integrated with their distros? Will I get
>>>> the
>>>> full flavor of each desktop if I just install in whatever Linux I am
>>>> running (currently Ubuntu Studio 13.04 on this machine) or should I put
>>>> in
>>>> the whole distro for each?
>>>>
>>>> I have a largish (389 gig) windows partition on this machine that has
>>>> become essentially useless (all my data backed up elsewhere, I think,
>>>> please Goddess) so should I just go ahead and try various distros on
>>>> this
>>>> machine and boot into whichever one I want to use/try at any given time?
>>>>
>>>> I don't even know, for example, what my experience would be like if I
>>>> put
>>>> Unity, for example, on this distro. What I do know is that everything
>>>> chosen for it seems to work well with it, and I have been reluctant to
>>>> mess
>>>> with it much.
>>>>
>>>> Please don't panic – the book isn't about software; I am not that into
>>>> quicksand stomping! It is about education and various monetization
>>>> methods
>>>> that might work for education building on an Open Source foundation.
>>>> But I
>>>> want to encourage newbies and even Luddites to come and play in Linux,
>>>> so
>>>> I
&

Re: Distros and Desktops, almost OT

[Pete Wright]

Thanks, Alf. By that standard I am a greatly accomplished fool, keeping
wisemen by the score busy night and day.


On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 1:18 PM, Alf Haakon Lund wrote:

> Thank you for asking this particular question, as it reminded me to
> install virtualbox, which I've been planning for a while.
>
> I need windows for one, maybe two, programs and as I never bother to
> restart just to run them, virtualbox is the solution.
>
> They say no questions are dumb, but it's also said that the fool may ask
> more than ten wise men may answer. Take your pick...
>
> Al F
>
>
>
>
> On 18. mai 2013 19:54, Pete Wright wrote:
>
>> Nobody has asked a dumb/weird question in quite a while, so I guess it is
>> up to me again.
>>
>> As part of some research I am doing (either for the TED talk I will never
>> give or the book I will never publish, haven't decided which yet) I want
>> to
>> play around with some different distros, particularly desktops.
>>
>> How much are Linux desktops integrated with their distros? Will I get the
>> full flavor of each desktop if I just install in whatever Linux I am
>> running (currently Ubuntu Studio 13.04 on this machine) or should I put in
>> the whole distro for each?
>>
>> I have a largish (389 gig) windows partition on this machine that has
>> become essentially useless (all my data backed up elsewhere, I think,
>> please Goddess) so should I just go ahead and try various distros on this
>> machine and boot into whichever one I want to use/try at any given time?
>>
>> I don't even know, for example, what my experience would be like if I put
>> Unity, for example, on this distro. What I do know is that everything
>> chosen for it seems to work well with it, and I have been reluctant to
>> mess
>> with it much.
>>
>> Please don't panic – the book isn't about software; I am not that into
>> quicksand stomping! It is about education and various monetization methods
>> that might work for education building on an Open Source foundation. But I
>> want to encourage newbies and even Luddites to come and play in Linux, so
>> I
>> need to know what to suggest that won't leave them hating Linux and me
>> both.
>>
>> Onward and Upward!
>>
>> Pete
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Distros and Desktops, almost OT

[Pete Wright]

Thanks, Q and Ralf, I will chew this over and let you know what happens.
Really appreciate the info.
Pete


On Sat, May 18, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Ralf Mardorf
wrote:

> On Sat, 2013-05-18 at 20:45 +0200, Ralf
> > Pete, my machine was a *nix multi-boot, several Linux distros and one
> > FreeBSD install
>
> and now it's a *nix + Windows multi-boot ;). If you never ever will test
> hardware on Windows, but you should need a Windows application, then
> again, virtualbox is very good. Btw. I heard that it's possible to start
> a "real" Windows install from a Linux or BSD using virtualbox, but I'm
> not doing this myself.
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Distros and Desktops, almost OT

[Pete Wright]

Nobody has asked a dumb/weird question in quite a while, so I guess it is
up to me again.

As part of some research I am doing (either for the TED talk I will never
give or the book I will never publish, haven't decided which yet) I want to
play around with some different distros, particularly desktops.

How much are Linux desktops integrated with their distros? Will I get the
full flavor of each desktop if I just install in whatever Linux I am
running (currently Ubuntu Studio 13.04 on this machine) or should I put in
the whole distro for each?

I have a largish (389 gig) windows partition on this machine that has
become essentially useless (all my data backed up elsewhere, I think,
please Goddess) so should I just go ahead and try various distros on this
machine and boot into whichever one I want to use/try at any given time?

I don't even know, for example, what my experience would be like if I put
Unity, for example, on this distro. What I do know is that everything
chosen for it seems to work well with it, and I have been reluctant to mess
with it much.

Please don't panic – the book isn't about software; I am not that into
quicksand stomping! It is about education and various monetization methods
that might work for education building on an Open Source foundation. But I
want to encourage newbies and even Luddites to come and play in Linux, so I
need to know what to suggest that won't leave them hating Linux and me both.

Onward and Upward!

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Re: Failing Repositories? What is that all about?

[Pete Wright]

Thanks, Mike!


On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Mike Holstein  wrote:

>
>
>
> On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 11:58 AM, Pete Wright  wrote:
>
>> I keep getting a message to "manually update."
>> When I do it shows "software up to date."
>> But it keeps saying "information out of date" and when I try to fix it
>> says "check internet connection."
>> All my other software is connecting okay; Firefox, Software Center, etc.,
>> so obviously my connection is working as well as it ever does (I live in
>> the Far Thulies and suffer abuse at the hands of CenturyLink who put all
>> their effort into making sure my connection never EXCEEDS the speed I pay
>> for, never mind it never reaches it).
>> Hope the rest of you are having a better weekend.
>> In fact, instead of reading and answering this, go outdoors.
>> Maybe I will, too.
>> Grins
>>
>
> personally, i disable upgrades (automatic ones) and run this manually in a
> terminal..
>
> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
>
> you might want to run "sudo apt-get update" separately and troubleshoot
> any errors you see there before wasting time other places. if you have
> issue on your end with your connection, you will need to troubleshoot those
> independently of the OS. dist-upgrade does *not* upgrade the distribution..
> cheers!
>
>
>>
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[Pete Wright]

I keep getting a message to "manually update."
When I do it shows "software up to date."
But it keeps saying "information out of date" and when I try to fix it says
"check internet connection."
All my other software is connecting okay; Firefox, Software Center, etc.,
so obviously my connection is working as well as it ever does (I live in
the Far Thulies and suffer abuse at the hands of CenturyLink who put all
their effort into making sure my connection never EXCEEDS the speed I pay
for, never mind it never reaches it).
Hope the rest of you are having a better weekend.
In fact, instead of reading and answering this, go outdoors.
Maybe I will, too.
Grins
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Re: Party like it's 13.04

[Pete Wright]

Thanks, Set
Now I can do all with Thunar I did with Nautilus, maybe easier. (My world
is now a happier place.)
And no, Nautilus did not actually lose data. It would just break in the
middle of a long task, and then I would have to pay attention to which
files it failed to copy. There would usually be one where the name showed,
but no content. No corrupted files, as far as I can tell.
I haven't yet tried Thunar on a similar large task (like copying a 30 gig
folder of my manipulated photographs). It may still prove to be my wheezy
hardware and not Nautilus that caused the trouble.
But now that you have shown me where the controls are, Thunar works just
fine for me.



On Wed, May 1, 2013 at 4:00 AM, Set Hallstrom  wrote:

>  Hi Pete!
>
> yayks!? nautilus messed up data?!? i hope my backup is ok or did i get
> all that backwards?
>
> To put a bookmark, i just dragged the original to the side-pane.
> I find it delicious because it does all i want and has remedied everything
> that made it obsolete for my use. (funny because i'm trying to remember
> what... hmmm..? some subtleties... ) And also i like that there is only
> one file-manager now...
>
> This expressed opinion of mine is of course very subjective. I was mainly
> keen about showing mad love to the amazing people behind ubuntustudio. :)
> I'm not trying to say thunar the best option in the world. if  it was, it
> would have a "make the world a happier place" button :D (good thing i'm not
> a human)
>
> You can drag/drop files from one tab to another, but if you need to
> compare 2 folders i guess a second window is the deal. Have you thought
> about dropping a suggestion to the thunar guys?
>
> Have a delicious awake time all!
>
> Warm regards from cold sweden,
> Set
>
>
>
> On 2013-05-01 01:09, Pete Wright wrote:
>
> Hi, Set and Eduardo
>  I find I miss being able to set bookmarks in Thunar the way I did in
> Nautilus.
>  Is there a way?
>  Set says he finds Thunar has "become deliciously good."
>  I haven't pushed Thunar very hard yet (no huge directories moved between
> machines or onto external drives) but  I assume from comments like Set's
> that Thunar will not break like Nautilus. Nautilus never lost any data, but
> only because I paid attention to pick up all the pieces when it broke,
> which it did plenty often. I thought it was my hardware until I saw that
> Nautilus got "fired."
>  So is that why Thunar now? Fewer pretties like dual or multiple panel and
> bookmarks, but it actually does what it is supposed to?
>  Just curious. Good thing I am not a cat.
>  Grins
>  Pete
>
>
>
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Re: Party like it's 13.04

[Pete Wright]

Hi, Set and Eduardo
I find I miss being able to set bookmarks in Thunar the way I did in
Nautilus.
Is there a way?
Set says he finds Thunar has "become deliciously good."
I haven't pushed Thunar very hard yet (no huge directories moved between
machines or onto external drives) but  I assume from comments like Set's
that Thunar will not break like Nautilus. Nautilus never lost any data, but
only because I paid attention to pick up all the pieces when it broke,
which it did plenty often. I thought it was my hardware until I saw that
Nautilus got "fired."
So is that why Thunar now? Fewer pretties like dual or multiple panel and
bookmarks, but it actually does what it is supposed to?
Just curious. Good thing I am not a cat.
Grins
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Re: Party like it's 13.04

[Pete Wright]

Thanks, Set, didn't know about that.
Now, is there some way to see what's in the tabs side by side, the way f3
in Nautilus does?
Or do I just have to have two or more Thunar windows open?



On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 8:16 AM, Set Hallstrom  wrote:

>  Hi Pete!
>
> I never knew there was multi panel in nautilus, so i always used tabbed
> windows with ctrl+t.
> It seems to work in thunar too.
> Perhaps this can be usefull to you until you find the right FMP?? :)
>
> *Set
>
>
> On 2013-04-30 16:59, Pete Wright wrote:
>
>   Yeah, Set, I pretty much agree.
>  Thunar seems pretty good, but I haven't figured out how to get multi
> panel (f3 in Nautilus).
>  I know, RTFM, but oops, I have come to believe this forum IS TFM, at
> least for me.
>  Cheers to all who bring us Linux goodies.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 7:04 AM, Set Hallstrom wrote:
>
>> Hi all!!
>>
>> I thought i'd give a little feedback regarding the upgrade from 12.04 to
>> 13.04.
>>
>> It can basically be reduced to 3 words:
>> I LOVE YOU!
>>
>> To this I would like to add:
>> THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU
>> THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!
>> Without your hardwork, my work would have no outlet!
>>
>> Ubuntustudio 13.04 is beautiful and seems to work like a charm on my
>> compaq Presario CQ57 intel core i3 with 4 GB ram
>>
>> I started off by booting from a USB, worked perfect.
>> Then i installed from scratch, because i can live with doing the
>> settings again and for curiosity, to have  a good reason to explore what
>> available settings and things i need to do etc...
>>
>> Some things i've noticed:
>> Positive:
>> - My display issues have been totaly adressed: no more strange tripple
>> colour on light text.
>> - Thunar has become deliciously good. I was kindof fearing i would miss
>> nautlius, but i don't.
>> - Blender 2.66!! YUHUU!!!
>> - All the goodness and more!
>>
>> Less positive:
>> - firefox homepage is the ubuntu firefox start page. I get it in
>> turkish(?) I don't mind, its easily fixed.
>> - I miss the little messaging thingy in the top panel. I found some sort
>> of mail alerter, but i can't get it to aggregate my xmpp client (pidgin)
>> and thunderbird. Instead it wants me to set it up as if it was my mail
>> client (it could go under positive things too, because with a little
>> after thinking, i like the idea of not being distracted while i work
>> hehe..)
>>
>> Thats it for now!
>>
>> Have a delicious awake-time
>>
>> yours with mad love,
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Re: Party like it's 13.04

[Pete Wright]

Yeah, Set, I pretty much agree.
Thunar seems pretty good, but I haven't figured out how to get multi panel
(f3 in Nautilus).
I know, RTFM, but oops, I have come to believe this forum IS TFM, at least
for me.
Cheers to all who bring us Linux goodies.



On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 7:04 AM, Set Hallstrom  wrote:

> Hi all!!
>
> I thought i'd give a little feedback regarding the upgrade from 12.04 to
> 13.04.
>
> It can basically be reduced to 3 words:
> I LOVE YOU!
>
> To this I would like to add:
> THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU
> THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!
> Without your hardwork, my work would have no outlet!
>
> Ubuntustudio 13.04 is beautiful and seems to work like a charm on my
> compaq Presario CQ57 intel core i3 with 4 GB ram
>
> I started off by booting from a USB, worked perfect.
> Then i installed from scratch, because i can live with doing the
> settings again and for curiosity, to have  a good reason to explore what
> available settings and things i need to do etc...
>
> Some things i've noticed:
> Positive:
> - My display issues have been totaly adressed: no more strange tripple
> colour on light text.
> - Thunar has become deliciously good. I was kindof fearing i would miss
> nautlius, but i don't.
> - Blender 2.66!! YUHUU!!!
> - All the goodness and more!
>
> Less positive:
> - firefox homepage is the ubuntu firefox start page. I get it in
> turkish(?) I don't mind, its easily fixed.
> - I miss the little messaging thingy in the top panel. I found some sort
> of mail alerter, but i can't get it to aggregate my xmpp client (pidgin)
> and thunderbird. Instead it wants me to set it up as if it was my mail
> client (it could go under positive things too, because with a little
> after thinking, i like the idea of not being distracted while i work
> hehe..)
>
> Thats it for now!
>
> Have a delicious awake-time
>
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> Set Hallstrom
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Re: Searching within documents

[Pete Wright]

Thanks, Fredd
I can't seem to figure out how to get it installed in Ubuntu Studio.
I have downloaded the zip file, but neither the ziip nor the extracted
files seem to be recognized by my launcher or by Gdebi.
Can you tell me what to do with the zip to get it installed?


On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 8:34 AM, Fredd Oliveiras
wrote:

>  Hi Pete, i use Docfetcher, an excelent open source soft writen in java
> (runs in windows, mac and linux). Beside names, it seaches for contents
> inside files and show the results in a side pane. Find pdf, doc, docx, txt
> etc.
>
> http://docfetcher.sourceforge.net/en/download.html
>
> Regards,
> Fredd Oliveiras
>
> Em 26-04-2013 19:36, Pete Wright escreveu:
>
>   Any suggestions about the best way to search for documents based on key
> words inside them? (Back in earlier times, on Windows, I used Copernic, but
> there doesn't seem to be a Linux version.)
>  I am happy with my ability to search filenames.
>  Just that sometimes I am not bright about filenames I choose or where I
> put them.
>  Thanks
>
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Re: Searching within documents

[Pete Wright]

Thanks, Harry. Been so long since I used grep I will probably have to look
up how to spell it.
grins


On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 5:28 PM, Harry Franz  wrote:

> You can use 'catfish' for searching filenames; and 'grep' for lines
> containing a match to the given pattern.
>
> On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 5:36 PM, Pete Wright  wrote:
>
>> Any suggestions about the best way to search for documents based on key
>> words inside them? (Back in earlier times, on Windows, I used Copernic, but
>> there doesn't seem to be a Linux version.)
>> I am happy with my ability to search filenames.
>> Just that sometimes I am not bright about filenames I choose or where I
>> put them.
>> Thanks
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Searching within documents

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Any suggestions about the best way to search for documents based on key
words inside them? (Back in earlier times, on Windows, I used Copernic, but
there doesn't seem to be a Linux version.)
I am happy with my ability to search filenames.
Just that sometimes I am not bright about filenames I choose or where I put
them.
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Re: Upgraded to 13.04, now display can't set to 1680x1050

[Pete Wright]

Thanks, Harry! It works!
In my case it was one of the Nvidia "updated" ones.
This "for creative humans" distro is great!
Onward and Upward!


On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 9:53 PM, Harry Franz  wrote:

> The same happened to me, I just had to update my nvidia drivers.
> Go to 'software sources' and in the 'additional drivers' tab select the
> driver.
> I installed nvidia-310 (propietary-tested) it fixed my display.
> Perhaps if after installing the driver it is not properly configured, run
> these commands:
> sudo nvidia-xconfig
> sudo restart lightdm
>
> and restart your pc.
>
>  On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 7:35 PM, Pete Wright  wrote:
>
>>  Everything else seems to work fine, so far.
>> But my eyeballs are going to go all wonky if I have to keep looking at
>> 1280x1024 on a 1680x1050 screen.
>>
>> Went to help page; it says "work in progress" and shows the dialog box
>> with 1680x1050 on top. Very frustrating.
>>
>> Should I try to fix, reinstall, or just wait for the next update?
>>
>> Thanks
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Re: Upgraded to 13.04, now display can't set to 1680x1050

[Pete Wright]

I suspect the new install failed to find the correct driver. No idea how to
fix that.
My computer is, if calculated like dog-years, older than I am I think.
Gateway GM5457E ; Got it in 2007. That makes it an antique, no?




On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 6:38 PM, Dave Woyciesjes
wrote:

> Pete Wright  wrote:
>>
>>  Everything else seems to work fine, so far.
>> But my eyeballs are going to go all wonky if I have to keep looking at
>> 1280x1024 on a 1680x1050 screen.
>>
>> Went to help page; it says "work in progress" and shows the dialog box
>> with 1680x1050 on top. Very frustrating.
>>
>> Should I try to fix, reinstall, or just wait for the next update?
>>
>> Thanks
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Upgraded to 13.04, now display can't set to 1680x1050

[Pete Wright]

Everything else seems to work fine, so far.
But my eyeballs are going to go all wonky if I have to keep looking at
1280x1024 on a 1680x1050 screen.

Went to help page; it says "work in progress" and shows the dialog box with
1680x1050 on top. Very frustrating.

Should I try to fix, reinstall, or just wait for the next update?

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Re: Anybody here using Linux Multimedia Studio?

[Pete Wright]

Thanks, Rivera


On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 9:21 AM, Rivera Valdez  wrote:

> I've used it without problems.
> Maybe not powerful enough, but still
> a great piece of FOSS :)
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 12:26 PM, Pete Wright  wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Richard.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 7:59 AM, Richard  wrote:
>>
>>>  On 14/04/13 15:36, Pete Wright wrote:
>>>
>>> I've had it running on my ancient Dell ok without an RT kernel - now
>>> using the real time kernel from Tango Studio so I don't know what the
>>> current state of play is. It's not like Rosegarden, refusing to run if the
>>> kernel's not fast enough.
>>>
>>>
>>>Just ran across this one; afraid to put it on my teetery-jittery old
>>> system until I know it is stable.
>>>  Any brave souls ready to report on it?
>>>  grins
>>>  Pete
>>>
>>>  Linux MultiMedia Studio
>>>
>>>- Home <http://lmms.sourceforge.net/home.php>
>>>- Download <http://lmms.sourceforge.net/download.php>
>>>- Screenshots <http://lmms.sourceforge.net/screenshots.php>
>>>- Demos <http://lmms.sourceforge.net/demos.php>
>>>- Documentation <http://lmms.sourceforge.net/wiki/>
>>>- Community <http://lmms.sourceforge.net/community.php>
>>>- Share your songs! <http://lmms.sourceforge.net/lsp/index.php>
>>>
>>>  News
>>>
>>>- *2012-02-02*: *LMMS 0.4.13 has been released!* Available for Linux
>>>and Windows - download 
>>> here<https://sourceforge.net/projects/lmms/files/lmms/0.4.13/>.
>>>
>>>- *2011-07-02*: *LMMS 0.4.12 has been released!*
>>>- *2011-06-08*: *LMMS 0.4.11 has been released!*
>>>- *2010-02-08*: *LMMS 0.4.10 has been released!*
>>>
>>> Version history <http://sourceforge.net/news/?group_id=105168> What is
>>> LMMS?
>>>
>>> LMMS is a free cross-platform alternative to commercial programs like FL
>>> Studio®, which allow you to produce music with your computer. This includes
>>> the creation of melodies and beats, the synthesis and mixing of sounds, and
>>> arranging of samples. You can have fun with your MIDI-keyboard and much
>>> more; all in a user-friendly and modern interface.
>>> Features
>>>
>>>- Song-Editor for composing songs
>>>- A Beat+Bassline-Editor for creating beats and basslines
>>>- An easy-to-use Piano-Roll for editing patterns and melodies
>>>- An FX mixer with 64 FX channels and arbitrary number of effects
>>>allow unlimited mixing possibilities
>>>- Many powerful instrument and effect-plugins out of the box
>>>- Full user-defined track-based automation and computer-controlled
>>>automation sources
>>>- Compatible with many standards such as SoundFont2, VST(i), LADSPA,
>>>GUS Patches, and MIDI
>>>- Import of MIDI and FLP (Fruityloops® Project) files
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: Anybody here using Linux Multimedia Studio?

[Pete Wright]

Thanks, Richard.


On Sun, Apr 14, 2013 at 7:59 AM, Richard  wrote:

>  On 14/04/13 15:36, Pete Wright wrote:
>
> I've had it running on my ancient Dell ok without an RT kernel - now using
> the real time kernel from Tango Studio so I don't know what the current
> state of play is. It's not like Rosegarden, refusing to run if the kernel's
> not fast enough.
>
>
>Just ran across this one; afraid to put it on my teetery-jittery old
> system until I know it is stable.
>  Any brave souls ready to report on it?
>  grins
>  Pete
>
>  Linux MultiMedia Studio
>
>- Home <http://lmms.sourceforge.net/home.php>
>- Download <http://lmms.sourceforge.net/download.php>
>- Screenshots <http://lmms.sourceforge.net/screenshots.php>
>- Demos <http://lmms.sourceforge.net/demos.php>
>- Documentation <http://lmms.sourceforge.net/wiki/>
>- Community <http://lmms.sourceforge.net/community.php>
>- Share your songs! <http://lmms.sourceforge.net/lsp/index.php>
>
>  News
>
>- *2012-02-02*: *LMMS 0.4.13 has been released!* Available for Linux
>and Windows - download 
> here<https://sourceforge.net/projects/lmms/files/lmms/0.4.13/>.
>
>- *2011-07-02*: *LMMS 0.4.12 has been released!*
>- *2011-06-08*: *LMMS 0.4.11 has been released!*
>- *2010-02-08*: *LMMS 0.4.10 has been released!*
>
> Version history <http://sourceforge.net/news/?group_id=105168> What is
> LMMS?
>
> LMMS is a free cross-platform alternative to commercial programs like FL
> Studio®, which allow you to produce music with your computer. This includes
> the creation of melodies and beats, the synthesis and mixing of sounds, and
> arranging of samples. You can have fun with your MIDI-keyboard and much
> more; all in a user-friendly and modern interface.
> Features
>
>- Song-Editor for composing songs
>- A Beat+Bassline-Editor for creating beats and basslines
>- An easy-to-use Piano-Roll for editing patterns and melodies
>- An FX mixer with 64 FX channels and arbitrary number of effects
>allow unlimited mixing possibilities
>- Many powerful instrument and effect-plugins out of the box
>- Full user-defined track-based automation and computer-controlled
>automation sources
>- Compatible with many standards such as SoundFont2, VST(i), LADSPA,
>GUS Patches, and MIDI
>- Import of MIDI and FLP (Fruityloops® Project) files
>
>
>
>
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OT (somewhat): ease of "porting" programs to Linux

[Pete Wright]

I have been told recently that it is getting easier to port programs, even
complex ones like PaintShopPro for Windows, to Linux.
Of course I understand that "easier" is merely comparative and subjective
at that.
As a minor portion of a business book I am writing I want to explore the
economics of a company like Corel making a program like PaintShopPro
available on Linux as  a commercial product. If sold at exactly the same
price it should still be cheaper for the buyer because of not having to own
Windows.
But with much of the world seemingly refusing Windows 8, shouldn't the
Windows software providers who aren't Microsoft be thinking about this?
And what about porting Mac programs to Linux? That should be even easier,
shouldn't it?
And yes, I know that good alternatives to most Windows programs are already
here, and that Open Source is probably past a tipping point.
I am exploring by trying to think like a Windows software company facing
the apparent decline of Windows installations.
Not intending this as Troll bait; if I have missed something obvious,
please bring it to my attention as gently as you can.
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Re: Anybody successfully using Miro 5.04 yet?

[Pete Wright]

Yeah, me too.
I'll try Miro (again) and let the list know what happens.
I used it a few years ago and can't remember why I quit.


On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 5:59 AM, Mike Holstein  wrote:

>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 8:29 AM, Pete Wright  wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Mike
>> Are you using Miro 5.04?
>> What do you think of it?
>>
>
> i havent tried it.. i usually just use vlc or the browser these days..
>
>
>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 4:52 PM, Mike Holstein wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 7:42 PM, Pete Wright  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Software Centre still showing v4 with lots of "instability..." comments.
>>>> Miro site has 5.04 for Ubuntu avail now.
>>>> Am I just going to break something playing with this?
>>>> grins
>>>> Pete
>>>>
>>>
>>> the software center really is only showing you what your sources have
>>> available. you can add a PPA to add sources. this is easy enough and also
>>> usually easy enough to revert back from if breakage occurs..
>>>
>>> http://www.getmiro.com/download/for-ubuntu/ is where i read information
>>> on using/adding this ppa
>>> https://launchpad.net/~pcf/+archive/miro-releases
>>>
>>> i would open a terminal and run ..
>>> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:pcf/miro-releases
>>>
>>> and follow the onscreen instructions.. then
>>> sudo apt-get update
>>>
>>> then either enjoy the updated version, or sudo apt-get install miro
>>>
>>> cheers
>>>
>>>
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Re: Anybody successfully using Miro 5.04 yet?

[Pete Wright]

Thanks, Mike
Are you using Miro 5.04?
What do you think of it?


On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 4:52 PM, Mike Holstein  wrote:

>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 7:42 PM, Pete Wright  wrote:
>
>> Software Centre still showing v4 with lots of "instability..." comments.
>> Miro site has 5.04 for Ubuntu avail now.
>> Am I just going to break something playing with this?
>> grins
>> Pete
>>
>
> the software center really is only showing you what your sources have
> available. you can add a PPA to add sources. this is easy enough and also
> usually easy enough to revert back from if breakage occurs..
>
> http://www.getmiro.com/download/for-ubuntu/ is where i read information
> on using/adding this ppa
> https://launchpad.net/~pcf/+archive/miro-releases
>
> i would open a terminal and run ..
> sudo add-apt-repository ppa:pcf/miro-releases
>
> and follow the onscreen instructions.. then
> sudo apt-get update
>
> then either enjoy the updated version, or sudo apt-get install miro
>
> cheers
>
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Anybody successfully using Miro 5.04 yet?

[Pete Wright]

Software Centre still showing v4 with lots of "instability..." comments.
Miro site has 5.04 for Ubuntu avail now.
Am I just going to break something playing with this?
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Re: Desktop change consequences

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Thanks, Ben
I do have 2.5 linux setups (don't have full-time access to the third, so
2.5).
The rub is they are not identical hardware and do not behave the same with
identical software, which I gave up trying to achieve.
So I am now running Ubuntu 12.10 on one, Ubuntu Studio 12.10 on my main
machine, and a hodge-podge mostly 12.04 on a mini laptop which is
ethernetted into my main one..
Am I correct that SUDO gives temporary super-user status (but not root)?
I had what had to have been one of the rare few personally-owned Unix
machines back in the early '80s, and am trying to dredge up and/or replace
the old knowledge, after being mainly in the windows world from around 1984
until late last year..
Bizarre, I admit.



On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Andrew Huys wrote:

>  Beware of "sudo", it gives you godlike powers...
>
> the best advice I can give:  If you have the resources, set up two
> computers, one of them being your stable production/work/school machine,
> the other being your experimental setup.  Try the new commands on the
> experimental machine, in case they don't work out like you hope.  Once
> you're comfortable with them, use them on the production machine.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Ben
> On 04/10/2013 10:07 AM, Pete Wright wrote:
>
>  Thanks, Andrew.
>  You and Alf are elevating my self-confidence to dangerous levels.
>  cheers
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 7:00 AM, Andrew Huys 
> wrote:
>
>>  "I get something from the repository I do not have to use synaptic to
>> keep it up to date?"  If you use update-manager and have automatic updates
>> turned on, no, you do not need to use synaptic for anything.
>>
>> However, Synaptic is *very* useful when you're searching for packages to
>> install and maybe don't know the names (if you dislike the
>> software-center).  Synaptic is faster on my older machines (IBM/Lenovo
>> T43p, etc.) than software center, as it does not have fancy graphics,
>> ratings, reviews, etc.  Also, being able to install multiple items just by
>> checking the boxes and clicking [apply] seems easier to me than finding
>> each individual software in software center.
>>
>> As far as updating goes, I almost  never use the "update-manager" (had an
>> issue with it at one time, don't remember what, but stopped using it then),
>> I find it easier to do via command-line:
>>
>> sudo apt-get update
>> Sudo apt-get upgrade
>>
>> I run these about once a week (or whenever i remember) just to keep on
>> top of things.
>>
>> -AND Huys
>>
>>
>>
>>   On 04/10/2013 09:46 AM, Pete Wright wrote:
>>
>>  Thanks, Alf.
>>  So, to make sure I understand you, if I get something from the
>> repository I do not have to use synaptic to keep it up to date?
>>  Is Synaptic still useful in any scenario, or is it completely
>> irrelevant/obsolete?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 6:39 AM, Alf Haakon Lund wrote:
>>
>>> No,
>>>
>>> Nothing updates in the background, the update manager will always ask.
>>> It just means updates are not taken care of by canonical's Ubuntu team and
>>> that they may (or may not) be provided by the community.
>>>
>>> Kind of the same way Microsoft provides updates for IE but not for
>>> Firefox, although the example is a bit flawed as Microsoft won't let you
>>> download software they don't own through their channels.
>>>
>>> But that's the wonder of open source! Actually the software repositories
>>> is one of my favorites with Ubuntu. Finding and installing programs is so
>>> simple and updates automatically taken care of (if there are any).
>>>
>>> Alf
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 10. april 2013 14:52, Pete Wright wrote:
>>>
>>>>  Really? Updating automatic? I knew Ubuntu updates automatically, but
>>>> many
>>>> items in the Software Centre say "Updates not provided by Ubuntu...may
>>>> be
>>>> provided by community" or something like that. Are these
>>>> packages/programs
>>>> automagically updating themselves in the background? Even the main
>>>> Ubuntu
>>>> thingy asks me before updating.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 5:43 AM, Alf Haakon Lund >>> >wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Not sure what you mean here (updates not included)? Unless it's
>>>>> become
>>>>> abandonware (no more in developm

Re: Desktop change consequences

[Pete Wright]

Thanks, Andrew.
You and Alf are elevating my self-confidence to dangerous levels.
cheers


On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 7:00 AM, Andrew Huys wrote:

>  "I get something from the repository I do not have to use synaptic to
> keep it up to date?"  If you use update-manager and have automatic updates
> turned on, no, you do not need to use synaptic for anything.
>
> However, Synaptic is *very* useful when you're searching for packages to
> install and maybe don't know the names (if you dislike the
> software-center).  Synaptic is faster on my older machines (IBM/Lenovo
> T43p, etc.) than software center, as it does not have fancy graphics,
> ratings, reviews, etc.  Also, being able to install multiple items just by
> checking the boxes and clicking [apply] seems easier to me than finding
> each individual software in software center.
>
> As far as updating goes, I almost  never use the "update-manager" (had an
> issue with it at one time, don't remember what, but stopped using it then),
> I find it easier to do via command-line:
>
> sudo apt-get update
> Sudo apt-get upgrade
>
> I run these about once a week (or whenever i remember) just to keep on top
> of things.
>
> -AND Huys
>
>
>
>  On 04/10/2013 09:46 AM, Pete Wright wrote:
>
>  Thanks, Alf.
>  So, to make sure I understand you, if I get something from the repository
> I do not have to use synaptic to keep it up to date?
>  Is Synaptic still useful in any scenario, or is it completely
> irrelevant/obsolete?
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 6:39 AM, Alf Haakon Lund wrote:
>
>> No,
>>
>> Nothing updates in the background, the update manager will always ask. It
>> just means updates are not taken care of by canonical's Ubuntu team and
>> that they may (or may not) be provided by the community.
>>
>> Kind of the same way Microsoft provides updates for IE but not for
>> Firefox, although the example is a bit flawed as Microsoft won't let you
>> download software they don't own through their channels.
>>
>> But that's the wonder of open source! Actually the software repositories
>> is one of my favorites with Ubuntu. Finding and installing programs is so
>> simple and updates automatically taken care of (if there are any).
>>
>> Alf
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10. april 2013 14:52, Pete Wright wrote:
>>
>>>  Really? Updating automatic? I knew Ubuntu updates automatically, but
>>> many
>>> items in the Software Centre say "Updates not provided by Ubuntu...may be
>>> provided by community" or something like that. Are these
>>> packages/programs
>>> automagically updating themselves in the background? Even the main Ubuntu
>>> thingy asks me before updating.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 5:43 AM, Alf Haakon Lund >> >wrote:
>>>
>>>Not sure what you mean here (updates not included)? Unless it's
>>>> become
>>>> abandonware (no more in development), updating should be automatically
>>>> taken care of.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway glad to hear it was what you looked for.
>>>>
>>>> Alf
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 09. april 2013 13:54, Pete Wright wrote:
>>>>
>>>>Thanks again, Alf
>>>>> Synapse aboard and seems just the ticket.
>>>>> Also, after this morning's update, I find I am now able to put my own
>>>>> dubious artwork on the desktop.
>>>>> I see Synapse updates are not included in Ubuntu; will Synaptic do? I
>>>>> run
>>>>> it periodically.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 4:27 AM, Pete Wright 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>   Thanks Alf, I will try Synapse.
>>>>>
>>>>>>  And as to desktop pic, I think that is what I did and it didn't
>>>>>> work.
>>>>>> It's
>>>>>> my computer, I think.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 12:45 AM, Alf Haakon Lund >>>>>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   I don't use unity, so I might be off target. But "heads up search"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  sounds
>>>>>>> like what synapse is doing for me. It's a small app that finds
>>

Re: Desktop change consequences

[Pete Wright]

Thanks, Alf.
So, to make sure I understand you, if I get something from the repository I
do not have to use synaptic to keep it up to date?
Is Synaptic still useful in any scenario, or is it completely
irrelevant/obsolete?



On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 6:39 AM, Alf Haakon Lund wrote:

> No,
>
> Nothing updates in the background, the update manager will always ask. It
> just means updates are not taken care of by canonical's Ubuntu team and
> that they may (or may not) be provided by the community.
>
> Kind of the same way Microsoft provides updates for IE but not for
> Firefox, although the example is a bit flawed as Microsoft won't let you
> download software they don't own through their channels.
>
> But that's the wonder of open source! Actually the software repositories
> is one of my favorites with Ubuntu. Finding and installing programs is so
> simple and updates automatically taken care of (if there are any).
>
> Alf
>
>
>
>
> On 10. april 2013 14:52, Pete Wright wrote:
>
>> Really? Updating automatic? I knew Ubuntu updates automatically, but many
>> items in the Software Centre say "Updates not provided by Ubuntu...may be
>> provided by community" or something like that. Are these packages/programs
>> automagically updating themselves in the background? Even the main Ubuntu
>> thingy asks me before updating.
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 5:43 AM, Alf Haakon Lund > >wrote:
>>
>>  Not sure what you mean here (updates not included)? Unless it's become
>>> abandonware (no more in development), updating should be automatically
>>> taken care of.
>>>
>>> Anyway glad to hear it was what you looked for.
>>>
>>> Alf
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 09. april 2013 13:54, Pete Wright wrote:
>>>
>>>  Thanks again, Alf
>>>> Synapse aboard and seems just the ticket.
>>>> Also, after this morning's update, I find I am now able to put my own
>>>> dubious artwork on the desktop.
>>>> I see Synapse updates are not included in Ubuntu; will Synaptic do? I
>>>> run
>>>> it periodically.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 4:27 AM, Pete Wright  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>   Thanks Alf, I will try Synapse.
>>>>
>>>>> And as to desktop pic, I think that is what I did and it didn't work.
>>>>> It's
>>>>> my computer, I think.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 12:45 AM, Alf Haakon Lund >>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   I don't use unity, so I might be off target. But "heads up search"
>>>>>
>>>>>> sounds
>>>>>> like what synapse is doing for me. It's a small app that finds
>>>>>> anything,
>>>>>> files or programs. Hit ctrl-space to launch, type a few letters (just
>>>>>> f
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> first suggestion is firefox, first suggestion adapts to what is most
>>>>>> used).
>>>>>> Navigate through suggestions with arrows.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Synapse is available in software center and synaptic.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As for changing desktop image, for me right-click on the desktop and
>>>>>> choosing desktop settings gets me there. Or [ctrl-space], [de] and
>>>>>> first
>>>>>> suggestion is desktop settings.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good luck on ubuntu studio, and never be afraid to ask!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All the best,
>>>>>> Alf
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 08. april 2013 21:31, Pete Wright wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   I guess I would say the functions that play to my inherent laziness.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Love the "heads up" search, especially. Nothing one can't do in
>>>>>>> Studio
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> a few more clicks, though.
>>>>>>> And I can't change the desktop picture to one of my own in Studio --
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> no, I won't be surprised to learn that is a bug or glitch specific to
>>>>>>> my
>>>>>&

Re: Desktop change consequences

[Pete Wright]

Really? Updating automatic? I knew Ubuntu updates automatically, but many
items in the Software Centre say "Updates not provided by Ubuntu...may be
provided by community" or something like that. Are these packages/programs
automagically updating themselves in the background? Even the main Ubuntu
thingy asks me before updating.


On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 5:43 AM, Alf Haakon Lund wrote:

> Not sure what you mean here (updates not included)? Unless it's become
> abandonware (no more in development), updating should be automatically
> taken care of.
>
> Anyway glad to hear it was what you looked for.
>
> Alf
>
>
>
>
> On 09. april 2013 13:54, Pete Wright wrote:
>
>> Thanks again, Alf
>> Synapse aboard and seems just the ticket.
>> Also, after this morning's update, I find I am now able to put my own
>> dubious artwork on the desktop.
>> I see Synapse updates are not included in Ubuntu; will Synaptic do? I run
>> it periodically.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 4:27 AM, Pete Wright  wrote:
>>
>>  Thanks Alf, I will try Synapse.
>>> And as to desktop pic, I think that is what I did and it didn't work.
>>> It's
>>> my computer, I think.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 12:45 AM, Alf Haakon Lund >> >wrote:
>>>
>>>  I don't use unity, so I might be off target. But "heads up search"
>>>> sounds
>>>> like what synapse is doing for me. It's a small app that finds anything,
>>>> files or programs. Hit ctrl-space to launch, type a few letters (just f
>>>> and
>>>> first suggestion is firefox, first suggestion adapts to what is most
>>>> used).
>>>> Navigate through suggestions with arrows.
>>>>
>>>> Synapse is available in software center and synaptic.
>>>>
>>>> As for changing desktop image, for me right-click on the desktop and
>>>> choosing desktop settings gets me there. Or [ctrl-space], [de] and first
>>>> suggestion is desktop settings.
>>>>
>>>> Good luck on ubuntu studio, and never be afraid to ask!
>>>>
>>>> All the best,
>>>> Alf
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 08. april 2013 21:31, Pete Wright wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  I guess I would say the functions that play to my inherent laziness.
>>>>> Love the "heads up" search, especially. Nothing one can't do in Studio
>>>>> with
>>>>> a few more clicks, though.
>>>>> And I can't change the desktop picture to one of my own in Studio --
>>>>> and
>>>>> no, I won't be surprised to learn that is a bug or glitch specific to
>>>>> my
>>>>> wheezy old computer, not the OS.
>>>>> grins
>>>>> Pete
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Alf Haakon Lund >>>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>   On 08. april 2013 19:45, Pete Wright wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   If this question is too “newbie” or worse, heretical, please forgive
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> then ignore me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I changed from Ubuntu 12.10 to Ubuntu Studio 12.10 primarily because
>>>>>>> GIMP
>>>>>>> was slightly flakey (main problem was it wouldn't accept ctr key
>>>>>>> combination like ctr+ left click to select area for clone brush) and
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> hoped Studio would not have something hijacking the ctrl function. I
>>>>>>> also
>>>>>>> do lots of content creation (primarily writing and art photography)
>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>> Studio seemed a good choice.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now I find myself missing the much-maligned Unity desktop. So, can I
>>>>>>> change
>>>>>>> to Unity desktop in Studio without horrible consequences? (And if so,
>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>> do I do it?)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Or is nobody checking to see if Unity works with all the rest of
>>>>>>> Studio,
>>>>>>> and so I should just shut up and sit down?
>>>>>>>
>&g

Re: Desktop change consequences

[Pete Wright]

Thanks again, Alf
Synapse aboard and seems just the ticket.
Also, after this morning's update, I find I am now able to put my own
dubious artwork on the desktop.
I see Synapse updates are not included in Ubuntu; will Synaptic do? I run
it periodically.



On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 4:27 AM, Pete Wright  wrote:

> Thanks Alf, I will try Synapse.
> And as to desktop pic, I think that is what I did and it didn't work. It's
> my computer, I think.
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 12:45 AM, Alf Haakon Lund wrote:
>
>> I don't use unity, so I might be off target. But "heads up search" sounds
>> like what synapse is doing for me. It's a small app that finds anything,
>> files or programs. Hit ctrl-space to launch, type a few letters (just f and
>> first suggestion is firefox, first suggestion adapts to what is most used).
>> Navigate through suggestions with arrows.
>>
>> Synapse is available in software center and synaptic.
>>
>> As for changing desktop image, for me right-click on the desktop and
>> choosing desktop settings gets me there. Or [ctrl-space], [de] and first
>> suggestion is desktop settings.
>>
>> Good luck on ubuntu studio, and never be afraid to ask!
>>
>> All the best,
>> Alf
>>
>>
>>
>> On 08. april 2013 21:31, Pete Wright wrote:
>>
>>> I guess I would say the functions that play to my inherent laziness.
>>> Love the "heads up" search, especially. Nothing one can't do in Studio
>>> with
>>> a few more clicks, though.
>>> And I can't change the desktop picture to one of my own in Studio -- and
>>> no, I won't be surprised to learn that is a bug or glitch specific to my
>>> wheezy old computer, not the OS.
>>> grins
>>> Pete
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Alf Haakon Lund >> >wrote:
>>>
>>>  On 08. april 2013 19:45, Pete Wright wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  If this question is too “newbie” or worse, heretical, please forgive
>>>>> and
>>>>> then ignore me.
>>>>>
>>>>> I changed from Ubuntu 12.10 to Ubuntu Studio 12.10 primarily because
>>>>> GIMP
>>>>> was slightly flakey (main problem was it wouldn't accept ctr key
>>>>> combination like ctr+ left click to select area for clone brush) and I
>>>>> hoped Studio would not have something hijacking the ctrl function. I
>>>>> also
>>>>> do lots of content creation (primarily writing and art photography) so
>>>>> Studio seemed a good choice.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now I find myself missing the much-maligned Unity desktop. So, can I
>>>>> change
>>>>> to Unity desktop in Studio without horrible consequences? (And if so,
>>>>> how
>>>>> do I do it?)
>>>>>
>>>>> Or is nobody checking to see if Unity works with all the rest of
>>>>> Studio,
>>>>> and so I should just shut up and sit down?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Pete
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  I agree with other answers you got, better ask than not. And, out of
>>>> curiosity, I've got my own question: Which functions of Unity do you
>>>> miss?
>>>>
>>>> Alf
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: Desktop change consequences

[Pete Wright]

Thanks Alf, I will try Synapse.
And as to desktop pic, I think that is what I did and it didn't work. It's
my computer, I think.


On Tue, Apr 9, 2013 at 12:45 AM, Alf Haakon Lund wrote:

> I don't use unity, so I might be off target. But "heads up search" sounds
> like what synapse is doing for me. It's a small app that finds anything,
> files or programs. Hit ctrl-space to launch, type a few letters (just f and
> first suggestion is firefox, first suggestion adapts to what is most used).
> Navigate through suggestions with arrows.
>
> Synapse is available in software center and synaptic.
>
> As for changing desktop image, for me right-click on the desktop and
> choosing desktop settings gets me there. Or [ctrl-space], [de] and first
> suggestion is desktop settings.
>
> Good luck on ubuntu studio, and never be afraid to ask!
>
> All the best,
> Alf
>
>
>
> On 08. april 2013 21:31, Pete Wright wrote:
>
>> I guess I would say the functions that play to my inherent laziness.
>> Love the "heads up" search, especially. Nothing one can't do in Studio
>> with
>> a few more clicks, though.
>> And I can't change the desktop picture to one of my own in Studio -- and
>> no, I won't be surprised to learn that is a bug or glitch specific to my
>> wheezy old computer, not the OS.
>> grins
>> Pete
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Alf Haakon Lund > >wrote:
>>
>>  On 08. april 2013 19:45, Pete Wright wrote:
>>>
>>>  If this question is too “newbie” or worse, heretical, please forgive and
>>>> then ignore me.
>>>>
>>>> I changed from Ubuntu 12.10 to Ubuntu Studio 12.10 primarily because
>>>> GIMP
>>>> was slightly flakey (main problem was it wouldn't accept ctr key
>>>> combination like ctr+ left click to select area for clone brush) and I
>>>> hoped Studio would not have something hijacking the ctrl function. I
>>>> also
>>>> do lots of content creation (primarily writing and art photography) so
>>>> Studio seemed a good choice.
>>>>
>>>> Now I find myself missing the much-maligned Unity desktop. So, can I
>>>> change
>>>> to Unity desktop in Studio without horrible consequences? (And if so,
>>>> how
>>>> do I do it?)
>>>>
>>>> Or is nobody checking to see if Unity works with all the rest of Studio,
>>>> and so I should just shut up and sit down?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Pete
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  I agree with other answers you got, better ask than not. And, out of
>>> curiosity, I've got my own question: Which functions of Unity do you
>>> miss?
>>>
>>> Alf
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: Desktop change consequences

[Pete Wright]

Good point, Mike, Thanks!


On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 1:51 PM, Mike Holstein  wrote:

>
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Pete Wright  wrote:
>
>> If this question is too “newbie” or worse, heretical, please forgive and
>> then ignore me.
>>
>> I changed from Ubuntu 12.10 to Ubuntu Studio 12.10 primarily because GIMP
>> was slightly flakey (main problem was it wouldn't accept ctr key
>> combination like ctr+ left click to select area for clone brush) and I
>> hoped Studio would not have something hijacking the ctrl function. I also
>> do lots of content creation (primarily writing and art photography) so
>> Studio seemed a good choice.
>>
>> Now I find myself missing the much-maligned Unity desktop. So, can I
>> change to Unity desktop in Studio without horrible consequences? (And if
>> so, how do I do it?)
>>
>> Or is nobody checking to see if Unity works with all the rest of Studio,
>> and so I should just shut up and sit down?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Pete
>>
>
> the issuse, Pete, is that ubuntustudio 12.10 *is* ubuntu... you can always
> use whatever desktop environment you want (unity, etc..) and there is no
> need to get into what is "better".. the problem is, you moved on to a
> version that will have the same GIMP version... you should try and
> troubleshoot your GIMP issue, since GIMP is the same in ubuntu,
> ubuntustudio, xubuntu... whatever.. the only way to get a different version
> of GIMP is to install a different version of GIMP either from source or
> PPA.. or, you can use a different release of ubuntu (12.04 for example
> would have an older version of GIMP).. if you installed 12.10 ubuntustudio,
> and the issue with GIMP is "fixed", you still cannot assume that has
> anything to do with the issue.. more likely just a config file somewhere in
> your old ubuntu install... cheers!
>
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Re: Desktop change consequences

[Pete Wright]

I loved our Arriflex. Couldn't afford its care and feeding today, though.
Even in 1975 it cost about $11 a minute to turn it on. That was the number
that ran in my head while shooting; I think it was total cost of film,
processing, and one copy one-light work print.

On the subject of "sound on film," I was once asked to help out a public TV
station whose intern shot some critical footage with an Auricon. Kind of a
cubical camera that recorded sound directly on the optical sound track.

Problem was, the kid held the camera upside down. How to fix it without
going shipping the film 120 miles to nearest available (prohibitively
expensive) optical printer? Oh, and there was a "film at eleven" kind of
time crunch, too.

Got a couple of friends in and we dismantled the stations film chain (which
was basically a projector/camera combination) and temporarily inverted the
camera -- the projector wouldn't run upside down; couldn't be cooled in
that position.

If you are of recent vintage and want to imagine the analog world we all
lived in, just think slow, cranky, and everything you do cast in bronze.

I am out of here now, before I get the OT boot!




On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

> On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 21:11:50 +0200, Pete Wright 
> wrote:
>
>> I have been at it 75 years now.
>>
>
> I'm 46 years old and have never seen an Arriflex when working. We used
> analog video before the Betacam was released and later with the Sony
> Betacam, much later still the Sony Betacam, but the digital version. Sure,
> studio cams in Germany were Bosch.
>
> If I would win much money, I would buy an Arriflex.
>
> I don't like audio on analog film, neither magnet nor light audio tracks
> are ok, but that's another issue.
>
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Re: Desktop change consequences

[Pete Wright]

I guess I would say the functions that play to my inherent laziness.
Love the "heads up" search, especially. Nothing one can't do in Studio with
a few more clicks, though.
And I can't change the desktop picture to one of my own in Studio -- and
no, I won't be surprised to learn that is a bug or glitch specific to my
wheezy old computer, not the OS.
grins
Pete


On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Alf Haakon Lund wrote:

> On 08. april 2013 19:45, Pete Wright wrote:
>
>> If this question is too “newbie” or worse, heretical, please forgive and
>> then ignore me.
>>
>> I changed from Ubuntu 12.10 to Ubuntu Studio 12.10 primarily because GIMP
>> was slightly flakey (main problem was it wouldn't accept ctr key
>> combination like ctr+ left click to select area for clone brush) and I
>> hoped Studio would not have something hijacking the ctrl function. I also
>> do lots of content creation (primarily writing and art photography) so
>> Studio seemed a good choice.
>>
>> Now I find myself missing the much-maligned Unity desktop. So, can I
>> change
>> to Unity desktop in Studio without horrible consequences? (And if so, how
>> do I do it?)
>>
>> Or is nobody checking to see if Unity works with all the rest of Studio,
>> and so I should just shut up and sit down?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Pete
>>
>>
> I agree with other answers you got, better ask than not. And, out of
> curiosity, I've got my own question: Which functions of Unity do you miss?
>
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Re: Desktop change consequences

[Pete Wright]

Thanks to all for all the helpful feedback.
The reference to "GIMP while we're at school..." made me smile.
I am a newbie to Ubuntu and Linux. But not to messing with new things in a
world not quite ready.
I was laughed out of a technical meeting of movie equipment pros one time
when I told them that one day soon the 35mm and 16mm cameras we were using
would be the exception and video cameras would be used for just about
everything, especially since nearly everything would be on small screens.
That was about 1973, I think.
I made the first film that used post-produced synthesized music. About
1975, I think. Won some significant awards.
Got some smart buddies in Nashville to help make post-produced music work
in a user controlled interactive video exhibit for a science museum. 1986
maybe? Probably never been done again (it was a pretty crazy thing to do,
after all), and I was told as recently as last month that it was
"impossible."
So in return for all the kind advice, I will give you all some:
Never stop being a newbie. I have been at it 75 years now.
Works for me.



On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 11:39 AM, Andrew Huys wrote:

>
> On 04/08/2013 02:24 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>
> On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 19:45:40 +0200, Pete Wright 
> wrote:
>
> If this question is too “newbie” or worse, heretical, please forgive and
> then ignore me.
>
>
> It isn't, you should asked what ever you want, sure, you also should
> search the web yourself a little bit, but since that isn't easy for a
> newbie, you better asked a question to much, than a question to less.
>
>
> Because if nobody asks, then all of us that sit around in front of the
> studio monitors (or work on GIMP while we're at school...) don't have
> anything to do...
>
> No, seriously, it's better to ask, no matter what the question is, rather
> than having somthing drive you crazy...
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Desktop change consequences

[Pete Wright]

If this question is too “newbie” or worse, heretical, please forgive and
then ignore me.

I changed from Ubuntu 12.10 to Ubuntu Studio 12.10 primarily because GIMP
was slightly flakey (main problem was it wouldn't accept ctr key
combination like ctr+ left click to select area for clone brush) and I
hoped Studio would not have something hijacking the ctrl function. I also
do lots of content creation (primarily writing and art photography) so
Studio seemed a good choice.

Now I find myself missing the much-maligned Unity desktop. So, can I change
to Unity desktop in Studio without horrible consequences? (And if so, how
do I do it?)

Or is nobody checking to see if Unity works with all the rest of Studio,
and so I should just shut up and sit down?

Thanks.

Pete
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Re: Western Digital external drives

[Pete Wright]

There are some viruses/trojans out there that make it seem that your
HARDWARE is progressively failing: notifcation that drive is failing, etc.
Even the DVD drive doors may refuse to function from time to time, but not
all the time. On Win machines, don't know about other OS.
This gets worse with each reboot.
I was unable to get rid of this on one Windows machine, which became
unusable, seemingly worn out.
I "repaired" it by wiping the drive and installing Ubuntu.
BTW I use four old WD Mybooks, 500 gig each. Only one has failed (so far,
knock wood).



On Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 8:52 AM, Mike Holstein  wrote:

> On Friday, March 15, 2013, Ralf Mardorf 
> wrote:
> > On Fri, 2013-03-15 at 06:55 -0400, Andrew Huys wrote:
> >> "Ok 1. Buy Seagate drives in future. Good guarantees and built
> >> properly. By comparison WD drives are made from sheep sh** and mud!"
> >>
> >> Agreed.  I've got a WD 1TB drive in the 2nd HDD bay on my Lenovo T 61p
> >> laptop, and a 120GB Seagate in the primary bay.  The Seagate is
> >> silent, spins up and down reliably, "soft parks" and is just generally
> >> a joy to use.  The WD on the other hand is loud, spins erratically,
> >> and spinning down?  DON'T LET IT!  If it does, try to access > wait
> >> about 30 seconds > WHI > "Filesystem Remounted"...
> >> If I unmount the drive, sometimes, it will continue to run at full
> >> speed for a few hours, for no apparent reason.
> >
> > It might be that the WD drive I own will be a bad drive, it's just 2
> > weeks old, so I don't have experiences, but I can't confirm that it's
> > noisy. It's the first drive I own that is quasi _inaudible_ when awake
> > and I've got a very good hearing. It's 30 cm away from my right ear on a
> > wooden table, a very good resonator.
> >
> >> Lesson learned?
> >> -I'll stick to Seagate.
> >> -Or Hitachi
> >
> > Don't! Stay to exactly the models and revisions of Seagate and Hitachi
> > drives that you know as being good. I experienced Seagate/Maxtor and
> > several other drives, perhaps Hitachi too, I don't remember, as bad,
> > just my Samsung are very good. Even if you should order the same model,
> > you can't ensure to get the same revision. However, I don't clami that
> > Samsung in general is good, the drives I own are very good.
> >
> >> As far as working on drives goes, GPtd can do just about everything
> >> you need.
> >> I would also reccamend gsmartcontrol (sudo apt-get install
> >> gsmartcontrol), a graphical SMART data reader.  Just helpful to check
> >> and see what's going on with the drive.  Also fun to check "new" HDD
> >> with.  My 1TB WD out of the box came with 3 G-Sense errors...
> >
> > I'm aware of all the tools, but that doesn't solve the issues caused by
> > a service that touches the drive and makes it spin up.
> >
> > And don't confuse internal drives with external USB 2 drives.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Ralf
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> All drives fail. I have actually had the best luck with wd brand.. though
> I'm sure chance could be just as much a factor as anything else.
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