Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Two Broken Packages Prevent Updates After Upgrade

[Erich Eickmeyer]

Upgrades aren't supported yet, and for good reason as you just found 
out. The upgrade tool is simply not ready. Upgrades to 24.04 are enabled 
only when 24.04.1 is released. See 
https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/ubuntu-24-04-1-point-release-delayed-until-august-29/47110 
for details. See 
https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/noble-numbat-24-04-1-lts-point-release-status-tracking/46972 
for status tracking.


On 8/24/24 07:51, wmicha...@fuse.net wrote:
I just used the upgrade tool to upgrade Ubuntu Studio 22.04 to 24.04, 
standard KDE desktop. The system boots and runs, but is blocking 
hundreds of updates because two packages are labeled as having unmet 
dependencies. Unfortunately, the package versions that are installed 
are the only ones available:
The following packages have unmet dependencies: libfontconfig1 : 
Depends: fontconfig-config (>= 2.15.0-1.1ubuntu2) libfontconfig1:i386 
: Depends: fontconfig-config:i386 (>= 2.15.0-1.1ubuntu2) E: Unmet 
dependencies. Try 'apt --fix-broken install' with no packages (or 
specify a solution). Running apt --fix-broken install with no packages does nothing. Synaptic shows fontconfig-config 2.15.0-1.1ubuntu2

andfontconfig-config:i386 2.15.0-1.1ubuntu2 as both the installed and latest 
versions. Can someone suggest where
I can go from here? Thanks in advance.


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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] ubuntu-studio-users Digest, Vol 197, Issue 1

[Juan Del Castillo Gómez]

Dear Community,

Which hardware is compatible with the new release?

Are there any specific laptop?

I am thinking about graphics compatibility as most critical issue.

And I am also interested in low-latency-kernel issues.

Thanks!

El vie., 12 abr. 2024 2:44, 
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> The Ubuntu Studio team is pleased to announce the beta release of Ubuntu
> Studio 24.04 LTS, codenamed “Noble Numbat”.
>
> While this beta is reasonably free of any showstopper installer bugs,
> you will find some bugs within. This image is, however, mostly
> representative of what you will find when Ubuntu Studio 24.04 is
> released on April 25, 2024.
>
>
> Special Notes
>
> The Ubuntu Studio 24.04 LTS disk image (ISO) exceeds 4 GB and cannot be
> downloaded to some file systems such as FAT32 and may not be readable
> when burned to a DVD. For this reason, we recommend downloading to a
> compatible file system. When creating a boot medium, we
> recommendcreating a bootable USB stick
> <https://ubuntu.com/tutorials/create-a-usb-stick-on-ubuntu#1-overview>with
>
> the ISO image or burning to a Dual-Layer DVD.
>
> Images can be obtained from this
> link:https://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntustudio/releases/24.04/beta/
>
> Full updated information, including*Upgrade Instructions,*are available
> in the*Release Notes
> <https://ubuntustudio.org/ubuntu-studio-24-04-LTS-release-notes/>*.
> <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GroovyGorilla/Beta/UbuntuStudio>
>
> *Please note that upgrading before the release of 24.04.1,**due August
> 2024, is unsupported.*
>
>
> New Features This Release
>
>   * *PipeWire*continues to improve with every release and is so robust
> it can be used for professional and prosumer use. Version 1.0.4
>   * *Ubuntu Studio Installer*‘s included*Ubuntu Studio Audio
> Configuration
> <https://ubuntustudio.org/ubuntu-studio-installer/#audioconfig
> >*utility
> for fine-tuning the PipeWire setup or changing the configuration
> altogether now includes the ability to create or remove a dummy
> audio device. Version 1.9
>
>
> Major Package Upgrades
>
>   * *Ardour*version 8.4.0
>   * *Qtractor*version 0.9.39
>   * *OBS Studio*version 30.0.2
>   * *Audacity*version 3.4.2
>   * *digiKam*version 8.2.0
>   * *Kdenlive*version 23.08.5
>   * *Krita*version 5.2.2
>
> There are many other improvements, too numerous to list here. We
> encourage you to look around the freely-downloadable ISO image.
>
>
> Known Issues
>
>   * Ubuntu Studio’s classic PulseAudio-JACK configuration cannot be used
> on Ubuntu Desktop (GNOME) due to a known issue with the
> ubuntu-desktop metapackage. (LP: #2033440
> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/2033440>)
>   * We now discourage the use of the aforementioned classic
> PulseAudio-JACK configuration as PulseAudio is becoming deprecated
> with time in favor of PipeWire. PipeWire’s JACK configuration can be
> disabled to use JACK2 via QJackCTL for advanced users.
>   * Due to the Ubuntu repositories being in-flux following the time_t
> transition and xz-utils security issue resolution, some items in the
> repository are uninstallable or causing other packaging conflicts.
> The Ubuntu Release Team is working around the clock to help resolve
> these issues, so patience is required.
>
> Official Ubuntu Studio release notes can be found
> athttps://ubuntustudio.org/ubuntu-studio-24-04-LTS-release-notes/
>
> Further known issues, mostly pertaining to

Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Studio Controls: Possible to clear the list of USB devices?

[James Harkins]

 On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 16:08:42 +0800  James Harkins  wrote --- 
> There's a lot of junk in my Studio Controls USB device list. I wouldn't mind 
> to just delete all of them and let entries get added back in when devices are 
> plugged in. (I don't need to keep index positions -- totally fine to start 
> from scratch.)
> 
> How to do that? I guess they persist in a config file somewhere but it didn't 
> leap out of .config/ at me.

FWIW (finally found by grepping the whole user folder for a USB device's ID): 
It's ~/.config/autojack/autojack.json

hjh

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Ubuntu Studio 22.04.3 LTS usb key boot FAILS when cdrom player {External}

[Cyril Giraud]

Yes, all is ok in bios, and flashing the same usb key with 
ubuntustudio-20.04.4-dvd-amd64.iso makes the same laptop to boot fine.
Is someone already boots a laptop with cdrom drive from an usb key with 
ubuntustudio-22.04.3-dvd-amd64.iso?

Cyril

Le 06/01/2024 à 19:15, Alan W. Kerr a écrit :

the bios of the laptop:  is it setup to boot from USB?
most are not.  especially old ones.  the boot order (and additional 
methods) can be setup/changed.


Alan


On 1/6/24 10:54, Cyril Giraud wrote:

Hi,

Recently booting a fresh usb key with 
ubuntustudio-22.04.3-dvd-amd64.iso on an old laptop with cdrom player 
inside, booting process failed looping on message "/init: line 49: 
can't open /dev/sr0: No medium found".


It's true, there is no medium in cdrom player, but an usb key plugged!

It ends with a message "Unable to find a medium containing a live 
file system" and asks for network booting.


For sure, this old hardware config (hp 640) haven't been tested yet 
;-) !


Where is the good place to log this bug?

Thanks,

 Cyril








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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Ubuntu Studio 22.04.3 LTS usb key boot FAILS when cdrom player {External}

[Alan W. Kerr]

the bios of the laptop:  is it setup to boot from USB?
most are not.  especially old ones.  the boot order (and additional 
methods) can be setup/changed.


Alan


On 1/6/24 10:54, Cyril Giraud wrote:

Hi,

Recently booting a fresh usb key with ubuntustudio-22.04.3-dvd-amd64.iso 
on an old laptop with cdrom player inside, booting process failed 
looping on message "/init: line 49: can't open /dev/sr0: No medium found".


It's true, there is no medium in cdrom player, but an usb key plugged!

It ends with a message "Unable to find a medium containing a live file 
system" and asks for network booting.


For sure, this old hardware config (hp 640) haven't been tested yet ;-) !

Where is the good place to log this bug?

Thanks,

     Cyril





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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] fix ubuntu studio install

[BabsKy]

Well it's turned into a bit of a mess but recoverable. Because the new (to
me) laptop is about 5 years old and is legacy/UEFI switchable, I was
advised that using legacy will cause issues so I decided to do a
format/reinstall of both using UEFI. I didn't realise until I'd reinstalled
Windows that because I'd upgraded to 10 from 7 my license key would no
longer be valid (NOT cool MS!) so I'm stuck with the Home edition until I
buy a Pro key. I've searched for ways around it, tried various methods,
even spoke to MS customer service, but I'm stuck with it.
I'm wary of installing US until I get Windows sorted but I'm sure it'll be
fine eventually.
All because I upgraded US!
Thanks for trying though George, I do appreciate it 👍

On Sat, 23 Dec 2023 at 20:22, George Swan  wrote:

> Hey there Babsky I'm sorry Boot Repair didn't work make sure you have the
> latest version it really makes a big difference. For me if I was
> reinstalling I would just try reinstalling the Linux Ubuntu first then let
> it find the other operating system like Windows and it should also see your
> old Ubuntu installation as well. It should then set your boot up correctly
> with the multi-boot then. I would never re-install Windows because of
> something like this but you have to make sure its all gd first. Yo can also
> repair Windows as a last resort but reinstalling Ubuntu Studio should solve
> all those problems and leave you with the multi boot option for sure.
> Luckily you can install Ubuntu many times and that has usually worked for
> me. Linux first then check it all from Linux and then from Windows. Good
> luck Babsky I hope this works it should.
>
> On Sat, 2023-12-23 at 19:31 +, BabsKy wrote:
>
> Thanks George, unfortunately it didn’t work for me. I had the same thought
> myself as I have also used Boot Repair successfully before. I burnt it onto
> a disk then booted from that disk. It all seemed to be going well until it
> suddenly said repair cancelled (can’t remember the actual wording). I tried
> a couple of times but no go.
> I think it’s going to have to be a complete reinstall of both Windows and
> Ubuntu Studio unfortunately, which I was trying to avoid but if I can’t fix
> US I have no other option.
>
> On 19 Dec 2023, at 20:52, George Swan  wrote:
>
> Hey there quick message, I used the Boot Repair Tool successfully for this
> issue many times and it has always worked for me. You have to run it from a
> CD or DVD I cant remember which and then choose Boot from disk when booting
> your laptop. The Boot repair tool doesn't always work for me when installed
> either but you have to boot from the Boot Repair tool on the CD/DVD disk.
> This has worked for me many times I love the boot repair tool it is the
> best for sure. Have a great day good luck and let us all know if that helps
> and donate to the Boot Repair tool if pos. Thanks
>
> Best,
> George Swan
>
> On Mon, 2023-12-18 at 23:04 +, BabsKy wrote:
>
> I made the mistake of upgrading Ubuntu Studio on my dual boot. The first
> problem was no grub so I enabled OS prober and updated the grub but it
> still didn't work. Still no grub and boots straight into Ubuntu Studio. I
> can see Windows on the HD, but I just can't boot into it. I also can't do
> any updates or install anything (tried installing boot-repair). It gets so
> far then says something about too many errors and nothing is
> installed/updated. I've created a bootable USB but my laptop will only boot
> from the USB if in UEFI mode, but then, of course, it doesn't recognise
> either OS on the HD. The only blank discs I have are too small for Ubuntu
> Studio. I ordered some larger capacity discs but, long story short, I'm not
> getting them but I am getting a refund. I've tried starting US in recovery
> mode but I'm guessing it's not broken enough? I have the option of trying
> to repair the Windows MBR and possibly wiping the US partition but ideally
> I'd like to keep both.
> Any ideas how/if I can fix this?
>
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] fix ubuntu studio install

[George Swan]

Hey there Babsky I'm sorry Boot Repair didn't work make sure you have
the latest version it really makes a big difference. For me if I was
reinstalling I would just try reinstalling the Linux Ubuntu first then
let it find the other operating system like Windows and it should also
see your old Ubuntu installation as well. It should then set your boot
up correctly with the multi-boot then. I would never re-install Windows
because of something like this but you have to make sure its all gd
first. Yo can also repair Windows as a last resort but reinstalling
Ubuntu Studio should solve all those problems and leave you with the
multi boot option for sure. Luckily you can install Ubuntu many times
and that has usually worked for me. Linux first then check it all from
Linux and then from Windows. Good luck Babsky I hope this works it
should.
On Sat, 2023-12-23 at 19:31 +, BabsKy wrote:
> Thanks George, unfortunately it didn’t work for me. I had the same
> thought myself as I have also used Boot Repair successfully before. I
> burnt it onto a disk then booted from that disk. It all seemed to be
> going well until it suddenly said repair cancelled (can’t remember
> the actual wording). I tried a couple of times but no go. I think
> it’s going to have to be a complete reinstall of both Windows and
> Ubuntu Studio unfortunately, which I was trying to avoid but if I
> can’t fix US I have no other option.
> 
> > On 19 Dec 2023, at 20:52, George Swan  wrote:
> > 
> > Hey there quick message, I used the Boot Repair Tool successfully
> > for this issue many times and it has always worked for me. You have
> > to run it from a CD or DVD I cant remember which and then choose
> > Boot from disk when booting your laptop. The Boot repair tool
> > doesn't always work for me when installed either but you have to
> > boot from the Boot Repair tool on the CD/DVD disk. This has worked
> > for me many times I love the boot repair tool it is the best for
> > sure. Have a great day good luck and let us all know if that helps
> > and donate to the Boot Repair tool if pos. Thanks
> > Best,George Swan
> > On Mon, 2023-12-18 at 23:04 +, BabsKy wrote:
> > > I made the mistake of upgrading Ubuntu Studio on my dual boot.
> > > The first problem was no grub so I enabled OS prober and updated
> > > the grub but it still didn't work. Still no grub and boots
> > > straight into Ubuntu Studio. I can see Windows on the HD, but I
> > > just can't boot into it. I also can't do any updates or install
> > > anything (tried installing boot-repair). It gets so far then says
> > > something about too many errors and nothing is installed/updated.
> > > I've created a bootable USB but my laptop will only boot from the
> > > USB if in UEFI mode, but then, of course, it doesn't recognise
> > > either OS on the HD. The only blank discs I have are too small
> > > for Ubuntu Studio. I ordered some larger capacity discs but, long
> > > story short, I'm not getting them but I am getting a refund. I've
> > > tried starting US in recovery mode but I'm guessing it's not
> > > broken enough? I have the option of trying to repair the Windows
> > > MBR and possibly wiping the US partition but ideally I'd like
> > > to keep both.Any ideas how/if I can fix this? 
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] fix ubuntu studio install

[BabsKy]

Thanks George, unfortunately it didn’t work for me. I had the same thought 
myself as I have also used Boot Repair successfully before. I burnt it onto a 
disk then booted from that disk. It all seemed to be going well until it 
suddenly said repair cancelled (can’t remember the actual wording). I tried a 
couple of times but no go. 
I think it’s going to have to be a complete reinstall of both Windows and 
Ubuntu Studio unfortunately, which I was trying to avoid but if I can’t fix US 
I have no other option.

> On 19 Dec 2023, at 20:52, George Swan  wrote:
> 
> Hey there quick message, I used the Boot Repair Tool successfully for this 
> issue many times and it has always worked for me. You have to run it from a 
> CD or DVD I cant remember which and then choose Boot from disk when booting 
> your laptop. The Boot repair tool doesn't always work for me when installed 
> either but you have to boot from the Boot Repair tool on the CD/DVD disk. 
> This has worked for me many times I love the boot repair tool it is the best 
> for sure. Have a great day good luck and let us all know if that helps and 
> donate to the Boot Repair tool if pos. Thanks
> 
> Best,
> George Swan
> 
> On Mon, 2023-12-18 at 23:04 +, BabsKy wrote:
>> I made the mistake of upgrading Ubuntu Studio on my dual boot. The first 
>> problem was no grub so I enabled OS prober and updated the grub but it still 
>> didn't work. Still no grub and boots straight into Ubuntu Studio. I can see 
>> Windows on the HD, but I just can't boot into it. I also can't do any 
>> updates or install anything (tried installing boot-repair). It gets so far 
>> then says something about too many errors and nothing is installed/updated. 
>> I've created a bootable USB but my laptop will only boot from the USB if in 
>> UEFI mode, but then, of course, it doesn't recognise either OS on the HD. 
>> The only blank discs I have are too small for Ubuntu Studio. I ordered some 
>> larger capacity discs but, long story short, I'm not getting them but I am 
>> getting a refund. I've tried starting US in recovery mode but I'm guessing 
>> it's not broken enough? I have the option of trying to repair the Windows 
>> MBR and possibly wiping the US partition but ideally I'd like to keep both.
>> Any ideas how/if I can fix this? 
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] fix ubuntu studio install

[George Swan]

Hey there quick message, I used the Boot Repair Tool successfully for
this issue many times and it has always worked for me. You have to run
it from a CD or DVD I cant remember which and then choose Boot from
disk when booting your laptop. The Boot repair tool doesn't always work
for me when installed either but you have to boot from the Boot Repair
tool on the CD/DVD disk. This has worked for me many times I love the
boot repair tool it is the best for sure. Have a great day good luck
and let us all know if that helps and donate to the Boot Repair tool if
pos. Thanks
Best,George Swan
On Mon, 2023-12-18 at 23:04 +, BabsKy wrote:
> I made the mistake of upgrading Ubuntu Studio on my dual boot. The
> first problem was no grub so I enabled OS prober and updated the grub
> but it still didn't work. Still no grub and boots straight into
> Ubuntu Studio. I can see Windows on the HD, but I just can't boot
> into it. I also can't do any updates or install anything (tried
> installing boot-repair). It gets so far then says something about too
> many errors and nothing is installed/updated. I've created a
> bootable USB but my laptop will only boot from the USB if in UEFI
> mode, but then, of course, it doesn't recognise either OS on the HD.
> The only blank discs I have are too small for Ubuntu Studio. I
> ordered some larger capacity discs but, long story short, I'm not
> getting them but I am getting a refund. I've tried starting US in
> recovery mode but I'm guessing it's not broken enough? I have the
> option of trying to repair the Windows MBR and possibly wiping the US
> partition but ideally I'd like to keep both.Any ideas how/if I can
> fix this? 
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] FireWire, Canonical, Apple MacOS, Opportunity for Ubuntu Studio

[Erich Eickmeyer]

Hi Jim,

On 12/19/2023 2:25 PM, Jim Hicinbothom wrote:
Pro audio world impacted hugely by Apple dropping FireWire support 
from MacOS.   Seems to me that this is a HUGE opportunity if someone 
has funding to invest in Ubuntu Studio to fully support and RESCUE pro 
audio FireWire gear.
Ubuntu Studio has supported FireWire since the Linux Kernel and ALSA 
(the basis for the audio stack) has supported FireWire. Additionally, 
the new audio stack, based on PipeWire, supports FireWire. There's an 
additional layer called FFADO that is also supported by PipeWire.


What do you think?  Anyone from Canonical monitoring this list? This 
resonates STRONGLY with the ethos of linux, IMHO.
Canonical does not financially or directly support the development of 
Ubuntu Studio. It is purely a volunteer effort supported by donations. 
As an official flavor of Ubuntu, Canonical provides build infrastructure 
and assistance, but that's about as far as it goes. There might be some 
from Canonical participating or reading this list, but they likely don't 
have the power to do what you're suggesting.


Imagine, with a beta of another significant DAW (PreSonus Studio One) 
now testing on Ubuntu-based boxes, if a BETTER way to do pro audio, in 
real pro audio studios, using massive amounts of old but fully 
functional FireWire based gear, with UbuntuStudio running on, say new 
AMD hardware with the new XDNA AI Engines and DSP/FPGA capabilities 
AMD now has in-house.  All for MUCH LESS initial capital than is 
required to make a whole studio Apple-hardware-based


I truly believe there is a significant opportunity here to support a 
lot of suddenly otherwise useless gear that's still totally 
functional.  Leverage this gear for both pro audio and for other 
content creators who might also benefit.  Lowering the entry price for 
MAKING, CREATING, is a key reason I've supported linux since it 
started.  I presume that's also a key part of why y'all are interested 
in UbuntuStudio, too.


Here's the story: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCivQie5tME

PreSonus Studio One beta on Ubuntu: 
https://www.phoronix.com/news/PreSonus-Studio-One-On-Linux


Disclaimer:  I am NOT a pro audio guy, at all.  So keep your salt 
shaker handy.


While having something like PreSonus Studio One pre-installed on Ubuntu 
Studio would be nice, it is, unfortunately, neither open source, and it 
carries a proprietary license meaning we're not allowed to distribute it 
either. In order to be able to be carried by Ubuntu Studio (or any Linux 
distribution), it must be Free (as in freedom) and Open Source Software. 
We have to be able to build it from its source code. That cannot be done 
with Studio One.


That said, there's nothing stopping anyone from installing Studio One on 
their Ubuntu Studio setup once they have it on their system. Yes, it's 
an extra step, and one we cannot directly support, but it sounds like 
Presonus is willing to support it from their end.


I'd also like to direct your attention to one that we *do* preinstall: 
Ardour. It's as professional of a DAW as it gets, and forms the basis 
for another DAW created by one of the most renowned names in 
professional audio: Harrison Consoles. Ardour forms the basis for 
Harrison Mixbus, both the regular and Mixbus 32c. Mixbus is proprietary 
software, but every purchase goes toward the development of Ardour. 
Personally, Mixbus is a favorite of mine, and I demonstrated both at 
Ubuntu Summit 2023 in Riga, Latvia last month: Live Mixing with PipeWire 
and Ardour/Harrison Mixbus



Anyhow, thanks for opening the discussion! I just wanted to clarify what 
we can/can't do, and I do encourage others to join in the discussion and 
ask questions.


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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Touchpad and Mouse Support (Was Proposal to sunset #ubuntustudio-offtopic)

[Erich Eickmeyer]

Hi Marianve!

The thread isn't that old, so you're fine. I appreciate your 
understanding and sympathy. Don't worry about checking the channels to 
give feedback, I will likely be posting on https://ubuntustudio.org/news 
in a matter of days some community news as to the action that will be 
taken, along with some other upcoming news.


Regarding your touchpad and mouse support, I want to find the best way 
to help you, preferably in your native language so that there are no 
barriers. Judging from your reply header, your native language appears 
to be Spanish, so I'll write the rest of this email in that language. 
Bear in mind, this is being done via a translator as my native language 
is English, so I hope it translates well.


Creo que la mejor manera de ayudarle es en la lista de correo 
electrónico de soporte en español que se puede encontrar en 
https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-es. No estoy seguro de 
en qué parte del mundo te encuentras, pero basándome en cuando recibí 
este correo electrónico, asumiré que México. Con eso en mente, hay una 
lista de la comunidad de México en 
https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mx.


También hay una sala de chat IRC en español en irc.libera.chat que 
debería poder ayudarte: #ubuntu-es. Sin embargo, debido a la naturaleza 
en tiempo real del IRC, puede o no haber personas listas para ayudar de 
inmediato, así que prepárate para esperar.


Le agradezco por usar el inglés en una lista de correo solo en inglés. 
En cuanto a por qué estoy usando el español en este momento a pesar de 
ser angloparlante, soy un gran fanático de conocer a las personas donde 
están o, en otras palabras, asegurarme de que lleguen a donde necesitan 
estar de la mejor manera posible.


(above paragraph in English: I do thank you for using English in an 
English-only mailing list. As for why I'm using Spanish right now 
despite being an English speaker, I'm a huge fan of meeting people where 
they are at or, in other words, making sure they get to where they need 
to be in the best way possible.) (Summary of prior paragraphs: 
redirected to Spanish-speaking Ubuntu lists and #ubuntu-es IRC chat.)


Saludos,
Erich Eickmeyer
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Project Leader - Ubuntu Studio
Technical Lead - Edubuntu


On 10/23/23 18:39, Marianve Ferreyso wrote:
Hi Erick I apologise if this thread is old and my english is bad. I 
enter in the ubuntu list as I was trying this flavour in some home 
machines.


Sometimes I read some mails, others just scroll. I read what happened 
with this guy and my comment is that no difficulty in understanding a 
second language not a frustrating answer is an excuse to justify 
viiolence. So, you are pretty kind  answering and so all, so ir is not 
your fault.
I do not have enough time to check the channels you mention in order 
to give a feedback, so again I apologise. By the way, I am having an 
aannoying trouble wiht the touchpad mouse of the laptop where I have 
recently installed ubuntu 22.04 and I am visiting all the sites in 
order to get this problem solved.
It is great to give a hand, I beg this is the right way to say it in 
english but not everything should be so at hand! So relax, just do 
what you think it is fine for helping us and forget about wiolent guys 
who also don`t understand the purpose of their own lives.
Not native english speaker and a long time since I used long ago this 
language fluently. Expecting to be clear. Best regards.

Mariana

El sáb, 7 oct 2023 a la(s) 13:18, Erich Eickmeyer 
(er...@ericheickmeyer.com) escribió:


BabsKy, you bring up great points and are re-enforcing my case.

Honestly, I have yet to see one person arguing against combining. We
rarely, if ever, get support questions in the devel channel, so
I'm not
worried there. Usually when that happens it's a matter of, "I need to
reach the devs about such-and-such," in which case it's completely
fine,
and more than likely gets triaged into a bug report where it's more
easily tracked (could still be handled from #ubuntustudio since we
hang
out there as well).

As for why I'd want to redirect people with support/help questions to
#ubuntustudio, the biggest reason is because of eyeballs. As with any
open source project, the more the better, and in this case, the more
people available to troubleshoot a problem the better. There are
twice
as many people in #ubuntustudio as #ubuntustudio-offtopic, so you can
clearly see the advantage there.

As of now, I have removed the page links on ubuntustudio.org
<http://ubuntustudio.org> for the
community page which only served to be a link to
#ubuntustudio-offtopic
to remove the ambiguity. I believe that, in the future, removing
Ubuntu
Studio Café from the Ubuntu Studio Information menu would be next for
all supported releases and 23.10, followed by

Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Proposal to sunset #ubuntustudio-offtopic

[Marianve Ferreyso]

Hi Erick I apologise if this thread is old and my english is bad. I enter
in the ubuntu list as I was trying this flavour in some home machines.

Sometimes I read some mails, others just scroll. I read what happened with
this guy and my comment is that no difficulty in understanding a second
language not a frustrating answer is an excuse to justify viiolence. So,
you are pretty kind  answering and so all, so ir is not your fault.
I do not have enough time to check the channels you mention in order to
give a feedback, so again I apologise. By the way, I am having an aannoying
trouble wiht the touchpad mouse of the laptop where I have recently
installed ubuntu 22.04 and I am visiting all the sites in order to get this
problem solved.
It is great to give a hand, I beg this is the right way to say it in
english but not everything should be so at hand! So relax, just do what you
think it is fine for helping us and forget about wiolent guys who also
don`t understand the purpose of their own lives.
Not native english speaker and a long time since I used long ago this
language fluently. Expecting to be clear. Best regards.
Mariana

El sáb, 7 oct 2023 a la(s) 13:18, Erich Eickmeyer (er...@ericheickmeyer.com)
escribió:

> BabsKy, you bring up great points and are re-enforcing my case.
>
> Honestly, I have yet to see one person arguing against combining. We
> rarely, if ever, get support questions in the devel channel, so I'm not
> worried there. Usually when that happens it's a matter of, "I need to
> reach the devs about such-and-such," in which case it's completely fine,
> and more than likely gets triaged into a bug report where it's more
> easily tracked (could still be handled from #ubuntustudio since we hang
> out there as well).
>
> As for why I'd want to redirect people with support/help questions to
> #ubuntustudio, the biggest reason is because of eyeballs. As with any
> open source project, the more the better, and in this case, the more
> people available to troubleshoot a problem the better. There are twice
> as many people in #ubuntustudio as #ubuntustudio-offtopic, so you can
> clearly see the advantage there.
>
> As of now, I have removed the page links on ubuntustudio.org for the
> community page which only served to be a link to #ubuntustudio-offtopic
> to remove the ambiguity. I believe that, in the future, removing Ubuntu
> Studio Café from the Ubuntu Studio Information menu would be next for
> all supported releases and 23.10, followed by the forwarding of the
> channel to #ubuntustudio.
>
> I have yet to see any compelling reason to not move forward. Removing
> the link is the easiest to undo if there's any compelling reason to do
> otherwise, so if anybody has any reason not to move forward, please let
> me know. :)
>
> -Erich
>
> On 10/7/23 08:54, BabsKy wrote:
> > We have signage for our IT sessions that people don’t see. We used to
> hold our sessions on a mezzanine that had a sign on a stand smack in the
> middle at the bottom of the stairs, people would squeeze past the sign to
> come up to the mezzanine and then be surprised when we told them we were in
> a session. We currently use a separate room and always put signage on the
> door, at eye level, but people still don’t see it.
> > As for being aggressive, there are several possible reasons, in my
> experience;
> > 1. English isn’t everyone’s first language and some don’t have a good
> understanding of it.
> > 2. Mental health issues or physical brain damage/physical limitations,
> certain medication, can cause aggressive behaviour.
> > 3. Lack of understanding, rooted in either 1 or 2 above, can cause
> frustration which can appear to be or lead to aggression.
> > 4. Some people need handholding. Vague direction isn’t enough, you have
> to give unambiguous, “foolproof” direction. In this case that would be a
> link. I have one of these customers, he’s a nice man but has NO common
> sense whatsoever. He needs clear, step by step instructions. Although he
> often gets frustrated with himself he doesn’t get aggressive, but there are
> some that do. Maybe they’ve been spoilt and expect everything to be handed
> to them on a plate?
> >
> > In an ideal world you wouldn’t have to change anything to satisfy the
> minority, if they would be satisfied? but we don’t live in an ideal world
> so combining may be the way to go?
> >
> >
> >
> >> On 7 Oct 2023, at 05:02, Erich Eickmeyer  wrote:
> >>
> >> Yep, it was signposted very clearly, but apparently people didn't
> understand the difference between "community" and "support" and didn't see
> the bold letters in the community page saying "do not use this chat for
> technical su

Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Proposal to sunset #ubuntustudio-offtopic

[Erich Eickmeyer]

BabsKy, you bring up great points and are re-enforcing my case.

Honestly, I have yet to see one person arguing against combining. We 
rarely, if ever, get support questions in the devel channel, so I'm not 
worried there. Usually when that happens it's a matter of, "I need to 
reach the devs about such-and-such," in which case it's completely fine, 
and more than likely gets triaged into a bug report where it's more 
easily tracked (could still be handled from #ubuntustudio since we hang 
out there as well).


As for why I'd want to redirect people with support/help questions to 
#ubuntustudio, the biggest reason is because of eyeballs. As with any 
open source project, the more the better, and in this case, the more 
people available to troubleshoot a problem the better. There are twice 
as many people in #ubuntustudio as #ubuntustudio-offtopic, so you can 
clearly see the advantage there.


As of now, I have removed the page links on ubuntustudio.org for the 
community page which only served to be a link to #ubuntustudio-offtopic 
to remove the ambiguity. I believe that, in the future, removing Ubuntu 
Studio Café from the Ubuntu Studio Information menu would be next for 
all supported releases and 23.10, followed by the forwarding of the 
channel to #ubuntustudio.


I have yet to see any compelling reason to not move forward. Removing 
the link is the easiest to undo if there's any compelling reason to do 
otherwise, so if anybody has any reason not to move forward, please let 
me know. :)


-Erich

On 10/7/23 08:54, BabsKy wrote:

We have signage for our IT sessions that people don’t see. We used to hold our 
sessions on a mezzanine that had a sign on a stand smack in the middle at the 
bottom of the stairs, people would squeeze past the sign to come up to the 
mezzanine and then be surprised when we told them we were in a session. We 
currently use a separate room and always put signage on the door, at eye level, 
but people still don’t see it.
As for being aggressive, there are several possible reasons, in my experience;
1. English isn’t everyone’s first language and some don’t have a good 
understanding of it.
2. Mental health issues or physical brain damage/physical limitations, certain 
medication, can cause aggressive behaviour.
3. Lack of understanding, rooted in either 1 or 2 above, can cause frustration 
which can appear to be or lead to aggression.
4. Some people need handholding. Vague direction isn’t enough, you have to give 
unambiguous, “foolproof” direction. In this case that would be a link. I have 
one of these customers, he’s a nice man but has NO common sense whatsoever. He 
needs clear, step by step instructions. Although he often gets frustrated with 
himself he doesn’t get aggressive, but there are some that do. Maybe they’ve 
been spoilt and expect everything to be handed to them on a plate?

In an ideal world you wouldn’t have to change anything to satisfy the minority, 
if they would be satisfied? but we don’t live in an ideal world so combining 
may be the way to go?




On 7 Oct 2023, at 05:02, Erich Eickmeyer  wrote:

Yep, it was signposted very clearly, but apparently people didn't understand the difference between 
"community" and "support" and didn't see the bold letters in the community page saying "do not 
use this chat for technical support." Furthermore, this one person claimed the term "technical support" 
is subjective, which I'm still confused about.

Either way, I think removing the guesswork is the best way forward. One chat 
room, less ambiguity, keeping the development collaboration separate still.

-Erich

On 10/6/23 15:38, BabsKy wrote:

I didn’t even know there was a #ubuntustudio-offtopic!
Unfortunately there will always be people like that and I’m sure you’re not 
letting them get to you, it’s sad that this is the world we live in. I’m one of 
a team of volunteer IT trainers and we also have to deal with abuse 
occasionally, usually verbal but it has escalated once or twice.
I can understand users not being familiar with the correct avenues for help and 
can understand how frustrating it can be in that situation, so making it as 
easy as possible and the correct routes as clearly signposted as possible is 
all you can do.


On 5 Oct 2023, at 20:15, Erich Eickmeyer  wrote:

Hi all,

There was an incident the other day in which someone requested support in the 
#ubuntustudio-offtopic IRC channel. I answered their question but requested 
they move to #ubuntustudio since this gets more view (and is properly logged), 
but instead of doing the right thing and doing what was requested, this person 
decided to berate me, then threaten me which then got them kicked out and 
banned for violating the Ubuntu Code of Conduct, after which they continued to 
threaten me via private message, which then got them reported to staff and, 
likely, K-lined.

This, however,

Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Proposal to sunset #ubuntustudio-offtopic

[BabsKy]

We have signage for our IT sessions that people don’t see. We used to hold our 
sessions on a mezzanine that had a sign on a stand smack in the middle at the 
bottom of the stairs, people would squeeze past the sign to come up to the 
mezzanine and then be surprised when we told them we were in a session. We 
currently use a separate room and always put signage on the door, at eye level, 
but people still don’t see it. 
As for being aggressive, there are several possible reasons, in my experience;
1. English isn’t everyone’s first language and some don’t have a good 
understanding of it. 
2. Mental health issues or physical brain damage/physical limitations, certain 
medication, can cause aggressive behaviour.
3. Lack of understanding, rooted in either 1 or 2 above, can cause frustration 
which can appear to be or lead to aggression.
4. Some people need handholding. Vague direction isn’t enough, you have to give 
unambiguous, “foolproof” direction. In this case that would be a link. I have 
one of these customers, he’s a nice man but has NO common sense whatsoever. He 
needs clear, step by step instructions. Although he often gets frustrated with 
himself he doesn’t get aggressive, but there are some that do. Maybe they’ve 
been spoilt and expect everything to be handed to them on a plate?

In an ideal world you wouldn’t have to change anything to satisfy the minority, 
if they would be satisfied? but we don’t live in an ideal world so combining 
may be the way to go?



> On 7 Oct 2023, at 05:02, Erich Eickmeyer  wrote:
> 
> Yep, it was signposted very clearly, but apparently people didn't understand 
> the difference between "community" and "support" and didn't see the bold 
> letters in the community page saying "do not use this chat for technical 
> support." Furthermore, this one person claimed the term "technical support" 
> is subjective, which I'm still confused about.
> 
> Either way, I think removing the guesswork is the best way forward. One chat 
> room, less ambiguity, keeping the development collaboration separate still.
> 
> -Erich
> 
> On 10/6/23 15:38, BabsKy wrote:
>> I didn’t even know there was a #ubuntustudio-offtopic!
>> Unfortunately there will always be people like that and I’m sure you’re not 
>> letting them get to you, it’s sad that this is the world we live in. I’m one 
>> of a team of volunteer IT trainers and we also have to deal with abuse 
>> occasionally, usually verbal but it has escalated once or twice.
>> I can understand users not being familiar with the correct avenues for help 
>> and can understand how frustrating it can be in that situation, so making it 
>> as easy as possible and the correct routes as clearly signposted as possible 
>> is all you can do.
>> 
>>> On 5 Oct 2023, at 20:15, Erich Eickmeyer  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> There was an incident the other day in which someone requested support in 
>>> the #ubuntustudio-offtopic IRC channel. I answered their question but 
>>> requested they move to #ubuntustudio since this gets more view (and is 
>>> properly logged), but instead of doing the right thing and doing what was 
>>> requested, this person decided to berate me, then threaten me which then 
>>> got them kicked out and banned for violating the Ubuntu Code of Conduct, 
>>> after which they continued to threaten me via private message, which then 
>>> got them reported to staff and, likely, K-lined.
>>> 
>>> This, however, did get me thinking: this isn't the first time people have 
>>> been confused about the purpose of #ubuntustudio-offtopic, though this is 
>>> the first time someone has been so verbally violent about it. Additionally, 
>>> #ubuntustudio-offtopic doesn't see much use other than Krytarik correcting 
>>> my grammar. :)
>>> 
>>> With that, I propose sunsetting #ubuntustudio-offtopic and combining it 
>>> with #ubuntustudio to make #ubuntustudio a support *and* discussion 
>>> channel, but anything other than the topic of Ubuntu Studio would be 
>>> requested to move to #ubuntu-offtopic for general chit-chat, as 
>>> #ubuntu-offtopic is a much more active room. The general idea is to lower 
>>> the confusion and to allow people to feel more welcome to discuss Ubuntu 
>>> Studio in our main chat.
>>> 
>>> Let me know your thoughts.
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> Erich
>>> --
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>>> Project Lead - Ubuntu Studio
>>> Technical Lead - Edubuntu
>>> 
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Proposal to sunset #ubuntustudio-offtopic

[Erich Eickmeyer]

Yep, it was signposted very clearly, but apparently people didn't 
understand the difference between "community" and "support" and didn't 
see the bold letters in the community page saying "do not use this chat 
for technical support." Furthermore, this one person claimed the term 
"technical support" is subjective, which I'm still confused about.


Either way, I think removing the guesswork is the best way forward. One 
chat room, less ambiguity, keeping the development collaboration 
separate still.


-Erich

On 10/6/23 15:38, BabsKy wrote:

I didn’t even know there was a #ubuntustudio-offtopic!
Unfortunately there will always be people like that and I’m sure you’re not 
letting them get to you, it’s sad that this is the world we live in. I’m one of 
a team of volunteer IT trainers and we also have to deal with abuse 
occasionally, usually verbal but it has escalated once or twice.
I can understand users not being familiar with the correct avenues for help and 
can understand how frustrating it can be in that situation, so making it as 
easy as possible and the correct routes as clearly signposted as possible is 
all you can do.


On 5 Oct 2023, at 20:15, Erich Eickmeyer  wrote:

Hi all,

There was an incident the other day in which someone requested support in the 
#ubuntustudio-offtopic IRC channel. I answered their question but requested 
they move to #ubuntustudio since this gets more view (and is properly logged), 
but instead of doing the right thing and doing what was requested, this person 
decided to berate me, then threaten me which then got them kicked out and 
banned for violating the Ubuntu Code of Conduct, after which they continued to 
threaten me via private message, which then got them reported to staff and, 
likely, K-lined.

This, however, did get me thinking: this isn't the first time people have been 
confused about the purpose of #ubuntustudio-offtopic, though this is the first 
time someone has been so verbally violent about it. Additionally, 
#ubuntustudio-offtopic doesn't see much use other than Krytarik correcting my 
grammar. :)

With that, I propose sunsetting #ubuntustudio-offtopic and combining it with 
#ubuntustudio to make #ubuntustudio a support *and* discussion channel, but 
anything other than the topic of Ubuntu Studio would be requested to move to 
#ubuntu-offtopic for general chit-chat, as #ubuntu-offtopic is a much more 
active room. The general idea is to lower the confusion and to allow people to 
feel more welcome to discuss Ubuntu Studio in our main chat.

Let me know your thoughts.

Thanks in advance,
Erich
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Proposal to sunset #ubuntustudio-offtopic

[BabsKy]

I didn’t even know there was a #ubuntustudio-offtopic!
Unfortunately there will always be people like that and I’m sure you’re not 
letting them get to you, it’s sad that this is the world we live in. I’m one of 
a team of volunteer IT trainers and we also have to deal with abuse 
occasionally, usually verbal but it has escalated once or twice.
I can understand users not being familiar with the correct avenues for help and 
can understand how frustrating it can be in that situation, so making it as 
easy as possible and the correct routes as clearly signposted as possible is 
all you can do.

> On 5 Oct 2023, at 20:15, Erich Eickmeyer  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> There was an incident the other day in which someone requested support in the 
> #ubuntustudio-offtopic IRC channel. I answered their question but requested 
> they move to #ubuntustudio since this gets more view (and is properly 
> logged), but instead of doing the right thing and doing what was requested, 
> this person decided to berate me, then threaten me which then got them kicked 
> out and banned for violating the Ubuntu Code of Conduct, after which they 
> continued to threaten me via private message, which then got them reported to 
> staff and, likely, K-lined.
> 
> This, however, did get me thinking: this isn't the first time people have 
> been confused about the purpose of #ubuntustudio-offtopic, though this is the 
> first time someone has been so verbally violent about it. Additionally, 
> #ubuntustudio-offtopic doesn't see much use other than Krytarik correcting my 
> grammar. :)
> 
> With that, I propose sunsetting #ubuntustudio-offtopic and combining it with 
> #ubuntustudio to make #ubuntustudio a support *and* discussion channel, but 
> anything other than the topic of Ubuntu Studio would be requested to move to 
> #ubuntu-offtopic for general chit-chat, as #ubuntu-offtopic is a much more 
> active room. The general idea is to lower the confusion and to allow people 
> to feel more welcome to discuss Ubuntu Studio in our main chat.
> 
> Let me know your thoughts.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Erich
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> Project Lead - Ubuntu Studio
> Technical Lead - Edubuntu
> 
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Proposal to sunset #ubuntustudio-offtopic

[Justin Love]

Thank you Enrich!!! I love Ubuntu Studio!! I switched from Windows 10 Pro a 
couple of years ago and have never looked back!!! Thank you for all you and 
your team do.

From: ubuntu-studio-users  on 
behalf of Erich Eickmeyer 
Sent: Thursday, October 5, 2023 2:15 PM
To: ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com 
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Subject: [ubuntu-studio-users] Proposal to sunset #ubuntustudio-offtopic

Hi all,

There was an incident the other day in which someone requested support
in the #ubuntustudio-offtopic IRC channel. I answered their question but
requested they move to #ubuntustudio since this gets more view (and is
properly logged), but instead of doing the right thing and doing what
was requested, this person decided to berate me, then threaten me which
then got them kicked out and banned for violating the Ubuntu Code of
Conduct, after which they continued to threaten me via private message,
which then got them reported to staff and, likely, K-lined.

This, however, did get me thinking: this isn't the first time people
have been confused about the purpose of #ubuntustudio-offtopic, though
this is the first time someone has been so verbally violent about it.
Additionally, #ubuntustudio-offtopic doesn't see much use other than
Krytarik correcting my grammar. :)

With that, I propose sunsetting #ubuntustudio-offtopic and combining it
with #ubuntustudio to make #ubuntustudio a support *and* discussion
channel, but anything other than the topic of Ubuntu Studio would be
requested to move to #ubuntu-offtopic for general chit-chat, as
#ubuntu-offtopic is a much more active room. The general idea is to
lower the confusion and to allow people to feel more welcome to discuss
Ubuntu Studio in our main chat.

Let me know your thoughts.

Thanks in advance,
Erich
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Ubuntu Studio Daily 23.10 Installation failure

[Erich Eickmeyer]

On Monday, August 7, 2023 1:46:55 PM PDT you wrote:
> If you wait till close to GA  to finally address
> issues like base install, you miss all of the interested parties'
> participation and feedback. Whatever code is delivered is likely to be less
> stable due to the lack of input unless your QA teams are real good at
> exploring all of the usage and loading scenarios.

You completely missed my point that the bug in question is entirely out of mine 
and 
my teams hands and that you're barking up the wrong tree. There's literally 
nothing 
I or the rest of the Ubuntu Studio team can do about the installation errors 
you're 
facing, which are also affecting Ubuntu Desktop and Ubuntu Server since it's 
the 
exact same package.

Here's some info about the GRUB package (and its source package, grub2):

 *  grub-efi-amd64-signed (1.192+2.06-2ubuntu16, lunar): GRand Unified 
Bootloader, version 2 (EFI-AMD64 version, signed). In component main, is 
optional. 
Built by grub2-signed. Size 1,346 kB / 7,009 kB. (Only available for amd64.)

The highlight here is "In component main". Main is the main repository that 
only 
people with Ubuntu Core Developer permissions can touch. I only have Master of 
the Universe permissions, which means I can't touch Main, but can touch 
Universe 
and Multiverse. By the way, that's higher permissions than anyone else on my 
team 
currently, but still doesn't let me touch GRUB.

Again, you're barking up the wrong tree, and I suggest sticking to the bug 
report for 
communication or a mailing list. Emailing people directly to bring attention to 
a bug 
report (especially one out of their control) is highly inappropriate.

Rest assured it is being worked on, and that if you had simply looked at the 
Ubuntu 
Developers mailing list, you may have seen that and may have been able to 
provide 
some feedback yourself (after subscribing):

https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2023-July/042713.html[1]

But emailing me directly and implying insistently that it's under my control 
after 
being told repeatedly that it's not is completely inappropriate.

> On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at 3:08 PM Erich Eickmeyer 
> 
> wrote:
> > You are being incredibly demanding on someone (me) who isn't paid to do
> > any of this and that I do it in my spare time. In fact, nobody on my team
> > is paid to do any of this. Perhaps a public reminder of this needs to go
> > out via all social media channels and a blog post?
> > 
> > Either way, this is CC'd to the user support list where this email SHOULD
> > have gone to begin with, not to my personal email.
> > 
> > On Monday, August 7, 2023 12:51:56 PM PDT you wrote:
> > > Mr. Eichmmeyer,
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I am sorry if I offended you but based off this kill the messenger
> > > 
> > > reaction, I have no other choice but to make some observations and hope
> > > 
> > > they will help you as we move forward. After reviewing your Interview, I
> > > 
> > > appreciate you taking the helm of Ubuntu Studio as a "Dead Product",
> > > 
> > > https://youtu.be/jsg7K78RSvM
> > > 
> > > I ask you,
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Do you know why it has that reputation?
> > 
> > It had that reputation (pastense, that was an interview from 4 years ago
> > and was done by someone who is now a friend) because, before I came along,
> > it literally had zero development for the two years prior, so it literally
> > was dead. Now it's alive and thriving and no longer has that reputation.
> > But bear in mind, I'm only a volunteer. I am *not* paid to do the work, so
> > emailing me directly about a grub issue, which I don't even touch (that's
> > all done at Canonical), is entirely inappropriate when it's all done in
> > the
> > bug tracker.
> > 
> > > When Canonical opens the development cycle for the upcoming release,
> > > they
> > > 
> > > do so with widely available web based file directories with the output
> > > of
> > > 
> > > Daily Build processes for all interested parties to access. This issue I
> > 
> > am
> > 
> > > trying to raise to you is a Dead In the water inability to install
> > > 
> > > the Daily Build. If you can't install it, you can't test drive any new
> > > 
> > > Studio features. I had hoped that the daily quality assurance tests
> > > would
> > > 
> > > have stopped errors like this from killing the whole install but this
> > 
> > issue
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Ubuntu Studio Daily 23.10 Installation failure

[Erich Eickmeyer]

You are being incredibly demanding on someone (me) who isn't paid to do any of 
this and that I do it in my spare time. In fact, nobody on my team is paid to 
do any 
of this. Perhaps a public reminder of this needs to go out via all social media 
channels and a blog post?

Either way, this is CC'd to the user support list where this email SHOULD have 
gone 
to begin with, not to my personal email.

On Monday, August 7, 2023 12:51:56 PM PDT you wrote:
> Mr. Eichmmeyer,
> 
> I am sorry if I offended you but based off this kill the messenger
> reaction, I have no other choice but to make some observations and hope
> they will help you as we move forward. After reviewing your Interview, I
> appreciate you taking the helm of Ubuntu Studio as a "Dead Product",
> https://youtu.be/jsg7K78RSvM
> I ask you,
> 
> Do you know why it has that reputation?

It had that reputation (pastense, that was an interview from 4 years ago and 
was 
done by someone who is now a friend) because, before I came along, it literally 
had 
zero development for the two years prior, so it literally was dead. Now it's 
alive and 
thriving and no longer has that reputation. But bear in mind, I'm only a 
volunteer. I 
am *not* paid to do the work, so emailing me directly about a grub issue, which 
I 
don't even touch (that's all done at Canonical), is entirely inappropriate when 
it's all 
done in the bug tracker.

> 
> When Canonical opens the development cycle for the upcoming release, they
> do so with widely available web based file directories with the output of
> Daily Build processes for all interested parties to access. This issue I am
> trying to raise to you is a Dead In the water inability to install
> the Daily Build. If you can't install it, you can't test drive any new
> Studio features. I had hoped that the daily quality assurance tests would
> have stopped errors like this from killing the whole install but this issue
> got by those processes.
> 
> I invite you to do the following. Try this yourself and install the current
> Studio Daily Build and try any of the new features your team has been
> working on.
> 
> Does it install? If not, who's working on it?

I just had an upgrade error involving GRUB on Mantic, so that tells me it's not 
isolated. However, again, that's not Ubuntu Studio's issue because, and I 
cannot 
stress this enough:

UBUNTU STUDIO IS NOT A SEPARATE DISTRIBUTION FROM UBUNTU. It is *merely* 
a different default installation. Nothing more, nothing less.

The foundations team at Canonical is working on it. I am not employed by 
Canonical.

> I would submit that the issues are not with Grub changes but Studio's calls
> to Grub that are failing. I had also observed when trying to salvage this
> install by performing Grub installation using a recovery LiveUSB that the
> Linux Kernel level was an older much out of date of the low-latency Kernel.
> This has the signs of one of your developer's quitting and the last present
> was to promote broken code with the backleveled  lowlatency kernel as a
> secondary knife in the back.

That is false. Ubuntu Studio does not oversee the development of the Lowlatency 
kernel. That's, again, done by the Canonical at the kernel team.

> 
> You may want to check the original reporter of this issue I am trying to
> bring to your attention.
> Is he still waiting for your team to get a working install package
> available or did he give up and consider this distro dead because the
> appropriate parties haven't fixed it.

Again, not my team, and you're being very demanding of people who are 
volunteering their time and not paid to do this. I'm not paid to do this, 
neither is 
anybody on my team.

> 
> I'm turning my attention to other distros.
> 
> A response is not required.
> 
> Thanks for your attention.
> 
> On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at 1:17 AM erich  wrote:
> > This is incredibly inappropriate.
> > 
> > Grub is being updated to a newer version Ubuntu-wide. Not an Ubuntu Studio
> > issue.
> > 
> > Bugs get fixed clear up to release, so there is nothing to be worried
> > about with over 2 months left. It's not like the team and I aren't doing
> > anything.
> > 
> > Please never do this again and learn some patience.
> > 
> >  Original message 
> > From: Gene Soo 
> > Date: 8/6/23 7:35 PM (GMT-08:00)
> > To: Erich Eickmeyer 
> > Subject: Ubuntu Studio Daily 23.10 Installation failure
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] XFCE4 vs Ubuntu Studio 22.04

[James Harkins]

 On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 10:24:26 +0800  "James Harkins"   wrote --- 
> FWIW, here is SuperCollider + Open Stage Control + Ubuntu Studio Controls, in 
> XFCE4, and the network is up (only needed to install network-manager-gnome).

FWIW, second follow-up, now I've been running XFCE for almost a week and it 
seems generally more stable -- even the touchpad, which frequently acted up 
under Plasma, seems better. (Knocking on something b/c as we all know, the 
second you say "it seems pretty good" is when the trouble starts, lol.)

Happy to hear that other people on other machines are having a good time with 
Plasma, but, also happy that I can switch out the desktop shell.

hjh

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] .MP3 metadata editors for Ubuntu Studio 18.04

[Set Sakrecoer]

Hello Brian!

On 2023-04-27 20:46, Brian Hagen wrote:
     If anyone here knows of a ready-to-use method to add artwork to an 
.MP3 file without altering its existing fields, I would really like to 
make use of it.


Brian


Have you tried Kid3?
https://kid3.kde.org/

The GUI is cool, but the cli is very nice too!

It used to be packaged with Ubuntu Studio. If it isn't anymore, there 
are many ways to install it.


Best of luck!

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] XFCE4 vs Ubuntu Studio 22.04

["James Harkins"]

 On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 06:40:24 +0800  Erich Eickmeyer  wrote --- 
> I have been working on making Ubuntu Studio simpler for *everyone* for the 
> past 5 years

First, I would like to say that, apart from the static I've been experiencing 
with Plasma, your efforts have been spectacularly successful!

The reason why I didn't think to check the website is... simply... because, in 
the past, I never needed to. I downloaded the installer and everything Just 
Worked.

So let me start off by saying, thank you for that.

(So, then, I should also apologize for the heat in my messages. I've been too 
critical and not appreciative enough. For that, I did deserve to get a rant.)

With that said...

> We have a quick an easy solution to this! If you don't want KDE's Plasma 
> Desktop, there's a very simple solution.
> 1) Install Xubuntu (for the Xfce Desktop)
> 2) Install ubuntustudio-installer
> 3) Install what you need for Ubuntu Studio using Ubuntu Studio Installer!

I'll just point out that there is a missing step 4: Spend half a day 
reinstalling software. This is the part that is perhaps easy (perhaps not), and 
definitely not quick. (As I stated earlier, I had to do this recently... it 
really did take that long. Started around 2pm, finished after 6pm.)

In any case... Plasma was stable yesterday (though I didn't use the machine 
that much), so I'll keep monitoring the situation and gradually put stuff in 
place in XFCE as a backup.

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] XFCE4 vs Ubuntu Studio 22.04

[Justin Love]

Wow, sorry to see the confusion. I switched from windows 10 to Ubuntu then 
Ubuntu studio over two years ago. I absolutely love Ubuntu studio!!! I am not 
tech savvy at all and am old as dirt but love using this Ubuntu studio for 
running the Reaper daw for recording music. Wish I would have switched years 
ago. Windows is now just a bad memory for me. Thank you for the work you and 
your team do to make recording music enjoyable again!!

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From: ubuntu-studio-users  on 
behalf of Jon 
Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2023 7:11:25 PM
To: Ubuntu Studio Users 
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] XFCE4 vs Ubuntu Studio 22.04

Thanks Erich, and honestly, I don't read the release notes or pay too
much attention to the OS I use. For me, Linux is Linux, regardless of
the OS on top of it. I use your distro because it has all the A/V
utilites and graphic apps all in one well done OS.

Didn't mean to cause any issues, just for me, that is what I would have
done. I have been using Linux since before Debian existed, so I tend to
do things old school. Might not be the best way to do things but old
habits die hard and I am quickly becoming an old dog. :)

Jon

-Original Message-
From: Erich Eickmeyer 
Reply-To: Ubuntu Studio Users 
To: Ubuntu Studio Users 
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] XFCE4 vs Ubuntu Studio 22.04
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2023 17:02:39 -0700

Yes, Jon. All of the above. That was spelled-out three years ago with
the release of Ubuntu Studio 20.04 LTS as well as with every subsequent
release since in the release notes (example from 22.04 LTS):

"Due to the change in desktop environment, direct upgrades to Ubuntu
Studio 22.04 LTS from versions prior to 21.10 are unsupported."

It really doesn't matter why. We came to this decision *as a team* (I
don't operate alone). The Lubuntu team had gone before us with the
switch from LXDE to LXQt and had to do the same thing by not supporting
direct upgrades from LXDE to LXQt either between 18.04 and 18.10 and
took their advice not to support direct, in-place upgrades. If we were
to switch default desktop environments, we would make the same decision
again. When switching desktop environments, there's just too much that
can go wrong during an upgrade.

This was in the release announcement for every release after 20.04. We
mentioned that we would not support direct, in-place upgrades. The
solution is backup and reinstall, no matter the desktop environment you
wish to stay with. This is because the metapackage "ubuntustudio-
desktop" *will* pull-in KDE Plasma components beginning with 20.10, so
those wishing to stay with Xfce need to backup and install Xubuntu +
Ubuntu Studio Installer, while those wishing to go the KDE Plasma route
need to backup and install Ubuntu Studio.

All of this was outlined in the release announcements, the release
notes, and everything for the past three years, so this should come as
zero surprise. The release announcement was sent-out via this very
mailing list and was syndicated via Twitter, Facebook, Mastodon, and
Planet Ubuntu. I don't know how on earth this could have been announced
any louder or clearer.
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Project Leader - Ubuntu Studio
Technical Lead - Edubuntu

On Sat, Apr 29 2023 at 06:41:25 PM -05:00:00, Jon 
wrote:
> Ok, sorry Erich.
>
> So the solution is to back everything up on your current OS and
> install
> an entirely new OS to be able to get XFCE instead of just installing
> XFCE? I'm ok if that is the solution, as the maintainer you must have
> a
> good reason to do so, i.e. removing unused software, multiple
> dependencies for the software, being able to support users without
> trying to determine if it is the install of XFCE causing issues, etc.
>
> Jon
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Erich Eickmeyer 
> Reply-To: Ubuntu Studio Users 
> To: Ubuntu Studio Users 
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] XFCE4 vs Ubuntu Studio 22.04
> Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2023 15:40:24 -0700
>
> What on Earth is going on in this thread? Have any of you been paying
> attention to https://ubuntustudio.org/news for the past 3 years?
>
> We have a quick an easy solution to this! If you don't want KDE's
> Plasma Desktop, there's a very simple solution.
>
> 1) Install Xubuntu (for the Xfce Desktop)
> 2) Install ubuntustudio-installer
> 3) Install what you need for Ubuntu Studio using Ubuntu Studio
> Installer!
>
> This is all outlined
> on https://ubuntustudio.org/ubuntu-studio-installer/ and linked to
> from
> the front page of https://ubuntustudio.org! There's no need to go
> through all of the stuff you're going through!
>
> I don't know why, for the life of me, people don't simply check the
> website where they got the software to begin 

Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] XFCE4 vs Ubuntu Studio 22.04

[Jon]

Thanks Erich, and honestly, I don't read the release notes or pay too
much attention to the OS I use. For me, Linux is Linux, regardless of
the OS on top of it. I use your distro because it has all the A/V
utilites and graphic apps all in one well done OS.

Didn't mean to cause any issues, just for me, that is what I would have
done. I have been using Linux since before Debian existed, so I tend to
do things old school. Might not be the best way to do things but old
habits die hard and I am quickly becoming an old dog. :)

Jon

-Original Message-
From: Erich Eickmeyer 
Reply-To: Ubuntu Studio Users 
To: Ubuntu Studio Users 
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] XFCE4 vs Ubuntu Studio 22.04
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2023 17:02:39 -0700

Yes, Jon. All of the above. That was spelled-out three years ago with
the release of Ubuntu Studio 20.04 LTS as well as with every subsequent
release since in the release notes (example from 22.04 LTS):

"Due to the change in desktop environment, direct upgrades to Ubuntu
Studio 22.04 LTS from versions prior to 21.10 are unsupported."

It really doesn't matter why. We came to this decision *as a team* (I
don't operate alone). The Lubuntu team had gone before us with the
switch from LXDE to LXQt and had to do the same thing by not supporting
direct upgrades from LXDE to LXQt either between 18.04 and 18.10 and
took their advice not to support direct, in-place upgrades. If we were
to switch default desktop environments, we would make the same decision
again. When switching desktop environments, there's just too much that
can go wrong during an upgrade.

This was in the release announcement for every release after 20.04. We
mentioned that we would not support direct, in-place upgrades. The
solution is backup and reinstall, no matter the desktop environment you
wish to stay with. This is because the metapackage "ubuntustudio-
desktop" *will* pull-in KDE Plasma components beginning with 20.10, so
those wishing to stay with Xfce need to backup and install Xubuntu +
Ubuntu Studio Installer, while those wishing to go the KDE Plasma route
need to backup and install Ubuntu Studio.

All of this was outlined in the release announcements, the release
notes, and everything for the past three years, so this should come as
zero surprise. The release announcement was sent-out via this very
mailing list and was syndicated via Twitter, Facebook, Mastodon, and
Planet Ubuntu. I don't know how on earth this could have been announced
any louder or clearer.
--
Erich Eickmeyer
Project Leader - Ubuntu Studio
Technical Lead - Edubuntu

On Sat, Apr 29 2023 at 06:41:25 PM -05:00:00, Jon 
wrote:
> Ok, sorry Erich.
> 
> So the solution is to back everything up on your current OS and
> install
> an entirely new OS to be able to get XFCE instead of just installing
> XFCE? I'm ok if that is the solution, as the maintainer you must have
> a
> good reason to do so, i.e. removing unused software, multiple
> dependencies for the software, being able to support users without
> trying to determine if it is the install of XFCE causing issues, etc.
> 
> Jon
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Erich Eickmeyer 
> Reply-To: Ubuntu Studio Users 
> To: Ubuntu Studio Users 
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] XFCE4 vs Ubuntu Studio 22.04
> Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2023 15:40:24 -0700
> 
> What on Earth is going on in this thread? Have any of you been paying
> attention to https://ubuntustudio.org/news for the past 3 years?
> 
> We have a quick an easy solution to this! If you don't want KDE's
> Plasma Desktop, there's a very simple solution.
> 
> 1) Install Xubuntu (for the Xfce Desktop)
> 2) Install ubuntustudio-installer
> 3) Install what you need for Ubuntu Studio using Ubuntu Studio
> Installer!
> 
> This is all outlined
> on https://ubuntustudio.org/ubuntu-studio-installer/ and linked to
> from
> the front page of https://ubuntustudio.org! There's no need to go
> through all of the stuff you're going through!
> 
> I don't know why, for the life of me, people don't simply check the
> website where they got the software to begin with to see if maybe,
> just
> *maybe* there's a simple solution!
> 
> I have been working on making Ubuntu Studio simpler for *everyone*
> for
> the past 5 years and this is what I see? People not paying attention?
> People not looking for the simple solution but rather looking for the
> most convoluted way to do somethign when the answer is in front of
> their faces all along? I simply don't get it!
> 
> *throws hands in the air*
> 
> You're welcome!
> --
> Erich Eickmeyer
> Project Leader - Ubuntu Studio
> Technical Lead - Edubuntu
> 
> On Fri, Apr 28 2023 at 09:26:47 PM -05:00:00, Jon 
> wrote:
> 
> > 

Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] XFCE4 vs Ubuntu Studio 22.04

[Erich Eickmeyer]

Yes, Jon. All of the above. That was spelled-out three years ago with 
the release of Ubuntu Studio 20.04 LTS as well as with every subsequent 
release since in the release notes (example from 22.04 LTS):


"Due to the change in desktop environment, direct upgrades to Ubuntu 
Studio 22.04 LTS from versions prior to 21.10 are unsupported."


It really doesn't matter why. We came to this decision *as a team* (I 
don't operate alone). The Lubuntu team had gone before us with the 
switch from LXDE to LXQt and had to do the same thing by not supporting 
direct upgrades from LXDE to LXQt either between 18.04 and 18.10 and 
took their advice not to support direct, in-place upgrades. If we were 
to switch default desktop environments, we would make the same decision 
again. When switching desktop environments, there's just too much that 
can go wrong during an upgrade.


This was in the release announcement for every release after 20.04. We 
mentioned that we would not support direct, in-place upgrades. The 
solution is backup and reinstall, no matter the desktop environment you 
wish to stay with. This is because the metapackage 
"ubuntustudio-desktop" *will* pull-in KDE Plasma components beginning 
with 20.10, so those wishing to stay with Xfce need to backup and 
install Xubuntu + Ubuntu Studio Installer, while those wishing to go 
the KDE Plasma route need to backup and install Ubuntu Studio.


All of this was outlined in the release announcements, the release 
notes, and everything for the past three years, so this should come as 
zero surprise. The release announcement was sent-out via this very 
mailing list and was syndicated via Twitter, Facebook, Mastodon, and 
Planet Ubuntu. I don't know how on earth this could have been announced 
any louder or clearer.

--
Erich Eickmeyer
Project Leader - Ubuntu Studio
Technical Lead - Edubuntu

On Sat, Apr 29 2023 at 06:41:25 PM -05:00:00, Jon  
wrote:

Ok, sorry Erich.

So the solution is to back everything up on your current OS and 
install

an entirely new OS to be able to get XFCE instead of just installing
XFCE? I'm ok if that is the solution, as the maintainer you must have 
a

good reason to do so, i.e. removing unused software, multiple
dependencies for the software, being able to support users without
trying to determine if it is the install of XFCE causing issues, etc.

Jon

-Original Message-
From: Erich Eickmeyer <mailto:er...@ericheickmeyer.com>>
Reply-To: Ubuntu Studio Users <mailto:ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com>>
To: Ubuntu Studio Users <mailto:ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com>>

Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] XFCE4 vs Ubuntu Studio 22.04
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2023 15:40:24 -0700

What on Earth is going on in this thread? Have any of you been paying
attention to <https://ubuntustudio.org/news> for the past 3 years?

We have a quick an easy solution to this! If you don't want KDE's
Plasma Desktop, there's a very simple solution.

1) Install Xubuntu (for the Xfce Desktop)
2) Install ubuntustudio-installer
3) Install what you need for Ubuntu Studio using Ubuntu Studio
Installer!

This is all outlined
on <https://ubuntustudio.org/ubuntu-studio-installer/> and linked to 
from
the front page of https://ubuntustudio.org 
<https://ubuntustudio.org/>! There's no need to go

through all of the stuff you're going through!

I don't know why, for the life of me, people don't simply check the
website where they got the software to begin with to see if maybe, 
just

*maybe* there's a simple solution!

I have been working on making Ubuntu Studio simpler for *everyone* for
the past 5 years and this is what I see? People not paying attention?
People not looking for the simple solution but rather looking for the
most convoluted way to do somethign when the answer is in front of
their faces all along? I simply don't get it!

*throws hands in the air*

You're welcome!
--
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Project Leader - Ubuntu Studio
Technical Lead - Edubuntu

On Fri, Apr 28 2023 at 09:26:47 PM -05:00:00, Jon <mailto:j...@destar.net>>

wrote:

 -Original Message-
 From: Jon mailto:j...@destar.net>>
 Reply-To: j...@destar.net <mailto:j...@destar.net>, Ubuntu Studio 
Users
 <mailto:ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com>>
 To: ""James Harkins"" <mailto:jamshar...@zoho.com>>, ubuntu-studio-users
 <mailto:ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com>>

 Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] XFCE4 vs Ubuntu Studio 22.04
 Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2023 21:23:24 -0500

 -Original Message-
 From: ""James Harkins"" <mailto:jamshar...@zoho.com>>
 To: jonr mailto:j...@destar.net>>, 
ubuntu-studio-users
 <mailto:ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com>>

 Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] XFCE4 vs Ubuntu Studio 22.04
 Date: Sat, 29 A

Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] XFCE4 vs Ubuntu Studio 22.04

[Jon]

Ok, sorry Erich.

So the solution is to back everything up on your current OS and install
an entirely new OS to be able to get XFCE instead of just installing
XFCE? I'm ok if that is the solution, as the maintainer you must have a
good reason to do so, i.e. removing unused software, multiple
dependencies for the software, being able to support users without
trying to determine if it is the install of XFCE causing issues, etc.

Jon

-Original Message-
From: Erich Eickmeyer 
Reply-To: Ubuntu Studio Users 
To: Ubuntu Studio Users 
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] XFCE4 vs Ubuntu Studio 22.04
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2023 15:40:24 -0700

What on Earth is going on in this thread? Have any of you been paying
attention to https://ubuntustudio.org/news for the past 3 years?

We have a quick an easy solution to this! If you don't want KDE's
Plasma Desktop, there's a very simple solution.

1) Install Xubuntu (for the Xfce Desktop)
2) Install ubuntustudio-installer
3) Install what you need for Ubuntu Studio using Ubuntu Studio
Installer!

This is all outlined
on https://ubuntustudio.org/ubuntu-studio-installer/ and linked to from
the front page of https://ubuntustudio.org! There's no need to go
through all of the stuff you're going through!

I don't know why, for the life of me, people don't simply check the
website where they got the software to begin with to see if maybe, just
*maybe* there's a simple solution!

I have been working on making Ubuntu Studio simpler for *everyone* for
the past 5 years and this is what I see? People not paying attention?
People not looking for the simple solution but rather looking for the
most convoluted way to do somethign when the answer is in front of
their faces all along? I simply don't get it!

*throws hands in the air*

You're welcome!
--
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Project Leader - Ubuntu Studio
Technical Lead - Edubuntu

On Fri, Apr 28 2023 at 09:26:47 PM -05:00:00, Jon 
wrote:
> -Original Message-
> From: Jon 
> Reply-To: j...@destar.net, Ubuntu Studio Users
> 
> To: ""James Harkins"" , ubuntu-studio-users
> 
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] XFCE4 vs Ubuntu Studio 22.04
> Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2023 21:23:24 -0500
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: ""James Harkins"" 
> To: jonr , ubuntu-studio-users
> 
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] XFCE4 vs Ubuntu Studio 22.04
> Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2023 09:13:06 +0800
> 
>  On Fri, 28 Apr 2023 23:41:42 +0800  Jon  wrote --- 
> 
> > Just wanted to know if you have tried installing XFCE as your
> > window
> > manager or is there something that KDE plasma has that you
> > require?
> 
> Plasma doesn't have anything specific I need. (This is actually part
> of
> my reason for posting -- in case Ubuntu Studio maintainers are
> listening, this user is offering some feedback that Plasma has
> decidedly not been an improvement.)
> 
> Online, I see
> https://www.tecmint.com/install-xfce-desktop-in-ubuntu-fedora ("sudo
> apt install xfce4") -- but, when I asked about this initially, the
> advice on this list was to "install Xubuntu then use the Ubuntu
> Studio
> Installer to change it."
> 
> So... is there a particular disadvantage installing the XFCE packages
> over my current installation? A fresh install + all my software is at
> least a half day (which I had to do recently, after trying Ubuntu
> Studio 22.10 and then having to reinstall 22.04, oops, so I know how
> long it takes).
> 
> hjh
> 
> Well, it's hard to give any recommendations when you don't know the
> users skill level to revover from errors. I don't believe XFCE would
> overwrite anything, it should install and give you the opportunity to
> login to the XFCE desktop from the login screen. I would think it
> would
> be as simple as:
> 
> apt update && apt upgrade
> apt install xfce4 xfce4-goodies
> reboot
> 
> Also, I am not hearing others have the same issues as you are, not
> saying they are not, just not hearing it. So that leads me to think
> it
> may be a hardware issue, i.e. a driver that is not playing nice. If
> you
> are leery of going the XFCE route, update all drivers from the
> manufactuers website, hopefully they have Linux drivers. 
> 
> You could also try and troubleshoot if you have another computer or
> laptop on the network. When it freezes again, see if you can log in
> through ssh and check dmesg and the logs to see if you can find the
> cuplprit. Do you have any scripts running that you setup and forgot
> about, possibly sitting in cron, does the issue happen randomly or do
> you notice after say 23 minutes and 6 seconds it happens?
> 
> Just some things to look at while you decide wh

Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] XFCE4 vs Ubuntu Studio 22.04

[Erich Eickmeyer]

What on Earth is going on in this thread? Have any of you been paying 
attention to <https://ubuntustudio.org/news> for the past 3 years?


We have a quick an easy solution to this! If you don't want KDE's 
Plasma Desktop, there's a very simple solution.


1) Install Xubuntu (for the Xfce Desktop)
2) Install ubuntustudio-installer
3) Install what you need for Ubuntu Studio using Ubuntu Studio 
Installer!


This is all outlined on 
<https://ubuntustudio.org/ubuntu-studio-installer/> and linked to from 
the front page of https://ubuntustudio.org <https://ubuntustudio.org/>! 
There's no need to go through all of the stuff you're going through!


I don't know why, for the life of me, people don't simply check the 
website where they got the software to begin with to see if maybe, just 
*maybe* there's a simple solution!


I have been working on making Ubuntu Studio simpler for *everyone* for 
the past 5 years and this is what I see? People not paying attention? 
People not looking for the simple solution but rather looking for the 
most convoluted way to do somethign when the answer is in front of 
their faces all along? I simply don't get it!


*throws hands in the air*

You're welcome!
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Project Leader - Ubuntu Studio
Technical Lead - Edubuntu

On Fri, Apr 28 2023 at 09:26:47 PM -05:00:00, Jon  
wrote:

-Original Message-
From: Jon mailto:j...@destar.net>>
Reply-To: j...@destar.net <mailto:j...@destar.net>, Ubuntu Studio 
Users
<mailto:ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com>>
To: ""James Harkins"" <mailto:jamshar...@zoho.com>>, ubuntu-studio-users
<mailto:ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com>>

Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] XFCE4 vs Ubuntu Studio 22.04
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2023 21:23:24 -0500

-Original Message-
From: ""James Harkins"" <mailto:jamshar...@zoho.com>>
To: jonr mailto:j...@destar.net>>, 
ubuntu-studio-users
<mailto:ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com>>

Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] XFCE4 vs Ubuntu Studio 22.04
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2023 09:13:06 +0800

 On Fri, 28 Apr 2023 23:41:42 +0800  Jon  wrote ---

 Just wanted to know if you have tried installing XFCE as your window
 manager or is there something that KDE plasma has that you require?


Plasma doesn't have anything specific I need. (This is actually part 
of

my reason for posting -- in case Ubuntu Studio maintainers are
listening, this user is offering some feedback that Plasma has
decidedly not been an improvement.)

Online, I see
https://www.tecmint.com/install-xfce-desktop-in-ubuntu-fedora ("sudo 
<https://www.tecmint.com/install-xfce-desktop-in-ubuntu-fedora%C2%A0(>

apt install xfce4") -- but, when I asked about this initially, the
advice on this list was to "install Xubuntu then use the Ubuntu Studio
Installer to change it."

So... is there a particular disadvantage installing the XFCE packages
over my current installation? A fresh install + all my software is at
least a half day (which I had to do recently, after trying Ubuntu
Studio 22.10 and then having to reinstall 22.04, oops, so I know how
long it takes).

hjh

Well, it's hard to give any recommendations when you don't know the
users skill level to revover from errors. I don't believe XFCE would
overwrite anything, it should install and give you the opportunity to
login to the XFCE desktop from the login screen. I would think it 
would

be as simple as:

apt update && apt upgrade
apt install xfce4 xfce4-goodies
reboot

Also, I am not hearing others have the same issues as you are, not
saying they are not, just not hearing it. So that leads me to think it
may be a hardware issue, i.e. a driver that is not playing nice. If 
you

are leery of going the XFCE route, update all drivers from the
manufactuers website, hopefully they have Linux drivers.

You could also try and troubleshoot if you have another computer or
laptop on the network. When it freezes again, see if you can log in
through ssh and check dmesg and the logs to see if you can find the
cuplprit. Do you have any scripts running that you setup and forgot
about, possibly sitting in cron, does the issue happen randomly or do
you notice after say 23 minutes and 6 seconds it happens?

Just some things to look at while you decide what to do, others may
have better ideas to help troubleshoot, but I usually solve 95% of my
issues at that starting point.

Regardless of th linux OS I use, I always install XFCE. I don't want 
to

waste resources on pretty colors or bouncing windows. I want all
resources for Audio/Video/Graphics applications.

HtH,

Jon

Always wisdom in the 'Enter' key and the 'Send' button.

Better idea, setup KVM or some other virtualization system and install
Ubuntu 22.04, then go to town. If you wreck it, start 

Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] XFCE4 vs Ubuntu Studio 22.04

["James Harkins"]

 On Sat, 29 Apr 2023 10:26:47 +0800  Jon  wrote --- 
> I would think it would
> be as simple as:
> 
> apt update && apt upgrade
> apt install xfce4 xfce4-goodies
> reboot

So far, more or less OK with that -- it even preserved some custom keyboard and 
FCITX settings!

I had to log back into Plasma for now, though, because there was no network 
connection, and I couldn't find the wifi widget. I'll have to do some searching 
about that, but no time for it today.

> Also, I am not hearing others have the same issues as you are, not
> saying they are not, just not hearing it. So that leads me to think it
> may be a hardware issue, i.e. a driver that is not playing nice.

That's entirely possible. It's a Lenovo ThinkBook 14. I just looked at their 
website for Linux drivers, nothing.

> You could also try and troubleshoot if you have another computer or
> laptop on the network. When it freezes again, see if you can log in
> through ssh and check dmesg and the logs to see if you can find the
> cuplprit.

Could try that.

> Do you have any scripts running that you setup and forgot
> about, possibly sitting in cron, does the issue happen randomly or do
> you notice after say 23 minutes and 6 seconds it happens?

Quite sure that's not it.

Another possible source of trouble is the Astrill VPN client app. Very smooth 
under XCFE, but in Plasma, it's got this weird, tiny second window that is 
opening and closing dozens of times per second. I had gotten in the habit of 
closing this app when I didn't need it, to reduce CPU use, battery consumption, 
and stress on the Plasma toolbar, and that seemed to improve stability for a 
while. But this app was not open when the system froze yesterday (either time).

> Better idea, setup KVM or some other virtualization system and install
> Ubuntu 22.04, then go to town. If you wreck it, start over, no harm
> done. Then you have an environment to test all you want without ever
> touching your workstation

If it gets more involved than that, I'll try that. I have Oracle VirtualBox 
already, for another reason.

Really appreciate the help!

hjh

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] XFCE4 vs Ubuntu Studio 22.04

[Jon]

-Original Message-
From: Jon 
Reply-To: j...@destar.net, Ubuntu Studio Users

To: ""James Harkins"" , ubuntu-studio-users

Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] XFCE4 vs Ubuntu Studio 22.04
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2023 21:23:24 -0500

-Original Message-
From: ""James Harkins"" 
To: jonr , ubuntu-studio-users

Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] XFCE4 vs Ubuntu Studio 22.04
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2023 09:13:06 +0800

 On Fri, 28 Apr 2023 23:41:42 +0800  Jon  wrote --- 
> Just wanted to know if you have tried installing XFCE as your window
> manager or is there something that KDE plasma has that you require?

Plasma doesn't have anything specific I need. (This is actually part of
my reason for posting -- in case Ubuntu Studio maintainers are
listening, this user is offering some feedback that Plasma has
decidedly not been an improvement.)

Online, I see
https://www.tecmint.com/install-xfce-desktop-in-ubuntu-fedora ("sudo
apt install xfce4") -- but, when I asked about this initially, the
advice on this list was to "install Xubuntu then use the Ubuntu Studio
Installer to change it."

So... is there a particular disadvantage installing the XFCE packages
over my current installation? A fresh install + all my software is at
least a half day (which I had to do recently, after trying Ubuntu
Studio 22.10 and then having to reinstall 22.04, oops, so I know how
long it takes).

hjh

Well, it's hard to give any recommendations when you don't know the
users skill level to revover from errors. I don't believe XFCE would
overwrite anything, it should install and give you the opportunity to
login to the XFCE desktop from the login screen. I would think it would
be as simple as:

apt update && apt upgrade
apt install xfce4 xfce4-goodies
reboot

Also, I am not hearing others have the same issues as you are, not
saying they are not, just not hearing it. So that leads me to think it
may be a hardware issue, i.e. a driver that is not playing nice. If you
are leery of going the XFCE route, update all drivers from the
manufactuers website, hopefully they have Linux drivers. 

You could also try and troubleshoot if you have another computer or
laptop on the network. When it freezes again, see if you can log in
through ssh and check dmesg and the logs to see if you can find the
cuplprit. Do you have any scripts running that you setup and forgot
about, possibly sitting in cron, does the issue happen randomly or do
you notice after say 23 minutes and 6 seconds it happens?

Just some things to look at while you decide what to do, others may
have better ideas to help troubleshoot, but I usually solve 95% of my
issues at that starting point. 

Regardless of th linux OS I use, I always install XFCE. I don't want to
waste resources on pretty colors or bouncing windows. I want all
resources for Audio/Video/Graphics applications.

HtH,

Jon

Always wisdom in the 'Enter' key and the 'Send' button.

Better idea, setup KVM or some other virtualization system and install
Ubuntu 22.04, then go to town. If you wreck it, start over, no harm
done. Then you have an environment to test all you want without ever
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] XFCE4 vs Ubuntu Studio 22.04

[Jon]

-Original Message-
From: ""James Harkins"" 
To: jonr , ubuntu-studio-users

Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] XFCE4 vs Ubuntu Studio 22.04
Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2023 09:13:06 +0800

 On Fri, 28 Apr 2023 23:41:42 +0800  Jon  wrote --- 
> Just wanted to know if you have tried installing XFCE as your window
> manager or is there something that KDE plasma has that you require?

Plasma doesn't have anything specific I need. (This is actually part of
my reason for posting -- in case Ubuntu Studio maintainers are
listening, this user is offering some feedback that Plasma has
decidedly not been an improvement.)

Online, I see
https://www.tecmint.com/install-xfce-desktop-in-ubuntu-fedora ("sudo
apt install xfce4") -- but, when I asked about this initially, the
advice on this list was to "install Xubuntu then use the Ubuntu Studio
Installer to change it."

So... is there a particular disadvantage installing the XFCE packages
over my current installation? A fresh install + all my software is at
least a half day (which I had to do recently, after trying Ubuntu
Studio 22.10 and then having to reinstall 22.04, oops, so I know how
long it takes).

hjh

Well, it's hard to give any recommendations when you don't know the
users skill level to revover from errors. I don't believe XFCE would
overwrite anything, it should install and give you the opportunity to
login to the XFCE desktop from the login screen. I would think it would
be as simple as:

apt update && apt upgrade
apt install xfce4 xfce4-goodies
reboot

Also, I am not hearing others have the same issues as you are, not
saying they are not, just not hearing it. So that leads me to think it
may be a hardware issue, i.e. a driver that is not playing nice. If you
are leery of going the XFCE route, update all drivers from the
manufactuers website, hopefully they have Linux drivers. 

You could also try and troubleshoot if you have another computer or
laptop on the network. When it freezes again, see if you can log in
through ssh and check dmesg and the logs to see if you can find the
cuplprit. Do you have any scripts running that you setup and forgot
about, possibly sitting in cron, does the issue happen randomly or do
you notice after say 23 minutes and 6 seconds it happens?

Just some things to look at while you decide what to do, others may
have better ideas to help troubleshoot, but I usually solve 95% of my
issues at that starting point. 

Regardless of th linux OS I use, I always install XFCE. I don't want to
waste resources on pretty colors or bouncing windows. I want all
resources for Audio/Video/Graphics applications.

HtH,

Jon

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] XFCE4 vs Ubuntu Studio 22.04

["James Harkins"]

 On Fri, 28 Apr 2023 23:41:42 +0800  Jon  wrote --- 
> Just wanted to know if you have tried installing XFCE as your window
> manager or is there something that KDE plasma has that you require?

Plasma doesn't have anything specific I need. (This is actually part of my 
reason for posting -- in case Ubuntu Studio maintainers are listening, this 
user is offering some feedback that Plasma has decidedly not been an 
improvement.)

Online, I see https://www.tecmint.com/install-xfce-desktop-in-ubuntu-fedora 
("sudo apt install xfce4") -- but, when I asked about this initially, the 
advice on this list was to "install Xubuntu then use the Ubuntu Studio 
Installer to change it."

So... is there a particular disadvantage installing the XFCE packages over my 
current installation? A fresh install + all my software is at least a half day 
(which I had to do recently, after trying Ubuntu Studio 22.10 and then having 
to reinstall 22.04, oops, so I know how long it takes).

hjh

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] XFCE4 vs Ubuntu Studio 22.04

[Jon]

-Original Message-
From: ""James Harkins"" 
Reply-To: Ubuntu Studio Users 
To: Ubuntu Studio Users 
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] XFCE4 vs Ubuntu Studio 22.04
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2023 20:59:35 +0800

 On Fri, 28 Apr 2023 09:21:06 +0800  "James Harkins"   wrote --- 
> Just went a couple weeks without a Plasma f***up and just now...
> browsing files on an external HDD... freeze. Everything frozen.
> Reboot. I'm just lucky it didn't bork the whole external disk.

Just happened again. No external HDD this time, just typing into a
SuperCollider window. Suddenly keystrokes and mouse clicks were doing
nothing.

So here's a problem I have... a lot of forums, especially PHP based
ones, have anti-spam plugins that deny all IP addresses from mainland
China where I live, *and* also deny VPNs. Because of this, I am unable
to register for the KDE forums, and I am also unable to talk to anyone
at the KDE forums to do anything about this.

So I'd like to ask... could someone set up a user account on the KDE
forums for me? PM me...? Please? I'm desperate...?

I am going to need support for this. Otherwise I'll have to switch to
another distribution. I have loved Ubuntu Studio for years but I can't
accept this. Two catastrophic freezes in one day means it could happen
onstage, and I don't know why this is happening or how to prevent it.

hjh

Hi James,

Just wanted to know if you have tried installing XFCE as your window
manager or is there something that KDE plasma has that you require?

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] XFCE4 vs Ubuntu Studio 22.04

["James Harkins"]

 On Fri, 28 Apr 2023 09:21:06 +0800  "James Harkins"   wrote --- 
> Just went a couple weeks without a Plasma f***up and just now... browsing 
> files on an external HDD... freeze. Everything frozen. Reboot. I'm just lucky 
> it didn't bork the whole external disk.

Just happened again. No external HDD this time, just typing into a 
SuperCollider window. Suddenly keystrokes and mouse clicks were doing nothing.

So here's a problem I have... a lot of forums, especially PHP based ones, have 
anti-spam plugins that deny all IP addresses from mainland China where I live, 
*and* also deny VPNs. Because of this, I am unable to register for the KDE 
forums, and I am also unable to talk to anyone at the KDE forums to do anything 
about this.

So I'd like to ask... could someone set up a user account on the KDE forums for 
me? PM me...? Please? I'm desperate...?

I am going to need support for this. Otherwise I'll have to switch to another 
distribution. I have loved Ubuntu Studio for years but I can't accept this. Two 
catastrophic freezes in one day means it could happen onstage, and I don't know 
why this is happening or how to prevent it.

hjh

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] XFCE4 vs Ubuntu Studio 22.04

["James Harkins"]

 On Sat, 15 Apr 2023 01:47:44 +0800  Doc C  wrote --- 
> I have the same reaction. 
> 
> ... Sometimes the window manager just becomes unresponsive (seems to be 
> related to the Slack desktop app in my case) and integration with LibreOffice 
> is not great. 

Just went a couple weeks without a Plasma f***up and just now... browsing files 
on an external HDD... freeze. Everything frozen. Reboot. I'm just lucky it 
didn't bork the whole external disk.

If I wanted crashiness I'd just use Windows *barf*

hjh



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[ubuntu-studio-users] Re: .MP3 metadata editors for Ubuntu Studio 18.04

[Erich Eickmeyer]

On Thursday, April 27, 2023 11:46:13 AM PDT Brian Hagen wrote:
> Hello,
> 
>  I have a business need to add artwork images to a set of .MP3
> files. So far, I have tried the command "lame --ti  , which
> adds the artwork but at the expense of rendering all of the existing
> other fields in the file to blanks.
> 
>  I have found and tried some Windows 10 apps (of which there are
> many) for this, and they are inconsistent with the results. Many of the
> Linux apps require installation via a customized set of environment
> variables. Bitter experience has taught that that altering OS settings
> in order to get a set of source files to compile and link is most often
> a path to disaster.
> 
>  If anyone here knows of a ready-to-use method to add artwork to an
> .MP3 file without altering its existing fields, I would really like to
> make use of it.
> 
> Brian

Hi Brian,

Ubuntu Studio includes Kid3. I don't have much experience with it, but perhaps 
that should do the trick? It's a GUI tool. If you haven't yet, at least play 
around with it.

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] ubuntu-studio-users Digest, Vol 188, Issue 3

[J. Simon van der Walt]

I have that same stuck at splash screen bug on my MacBook Air, quite
annoying.

On Fri, 14 Apr 2023, 18:48 Doc C,  wrote:

> I have the same reaction.
>
> KDE is pretty and all, but one (really annoying!!) bug on my AMD
> Ryzen7/Radeon based desktop is the splash screen gets "stuck" and won't let
> me get to my desktop. This happens about half the time when I reboot,
> anecdotally.
>
> Sometimes the window manager just becomes unresponsive (seems to be
> related to the Slack desktop app in my case) and integration with
> LibreOffice is not great.
>
> Anyway, sorry to gripe but I too miss Xfce for UbuntuStudio. I understand
> there are advantages and there is much more active development of KDE but I
> spend a lot of time shutting off all the fancy stuff in KDE so it doesn't
> annoy me.
>
> Thanks for listening. ;-)
>
> Chris
>
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>> KDE Plasma is... it's the little things... every week I run into at least
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] ubuntu-studio-users Digest, Vol 188, Issue 3

[Doc C]

I have the same reaction.

KDE is pretty and all, but one (really annoying!!) bug on my AMD
Ryzen7/Radeon based desktop is the splash screen gets "stuck" and won't let
me get to my desktop. This happens about half the time when I reboot,
anecdotally.

Sometimes the window manager just becomes unresponsive (seems to be related
to the Slack desktop app in my case) and integration with LibreOffice is
not great.

Anyway, sorry to gripe but I too miss Xfce for UbuntuStudio. I understand
there are advantages and there is much more active development of KDE but I
spend a lot of time shutting off all the fancy stuff in KDE so it doesn't
annoy me.

Thanks for listening. ;-)

Chris

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> Just wondering if anyone has installed XFCE4 in Ubuntu Studio 22.04...
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> KDE Plasma is... it's the little things... every week I run into at least
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> XFCE4 wasn't fancy or pretty but it Just Worked.
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] XFCE4 vs Ubuntu Studio 22.04 {External}

[Alan W. Kerr]

actually, the reverse...
install Xubuntu then use the Ubuntu Studio Installer to change it.

Then, you basically have the same setup as the 20.04 and previous 
versions.  or, at least, I haven't noticed any changes...


Alan


On 4/14/23 00:54, "James Harkins" wrote:

Just wondering if anyone has installed XFCE4 in Ubuntu Studio 22.04... known 
issues?

KDE Plasma is... it's the little things... every week I run into at least one "what 
the...?"

XFCE4 wasn't fancy or pretty but it Just Worked.

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Random UI freakouts in Ubuntu Studio 22.04

[James Harkins]

 On Sat, 25 Mar 2023 10:13:59 +0800  James Harkins  wrote --- 
> So let's fast forward to 3 weeks ago... the Plasma taskbar at the top 
> disappeared. The Super key couldn't open the launcher menu, so... no apps, 
> nothing.

FWIW (not that anyone cares) but I now believe this is largely because of the 
client app for Astrill VPN (which is also causing high CPU use and draining the 
battery). I'll follow up with them.

Congrats on the release -- will consider an upgrade post-semester.

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Random UI freakouts in Ubuntu Studio 22.04

[James Harkins]

 On Sat, 25 Mar 2023 10:13:59 +0800  James Harkins  wrote --- 
> So the simpler question is: does Ubuntu Studio 22.10 ship with Plasma 5.27?

It turns out that this is moot -- I ended up trying 22.10 the other day (after 
the show), and was quickly reminded why I avoid system upgrades during the 
semester. Completely unusable. *Major* UI lags, and apps unable to open. Half 
of Sunday was spent reinstalling 22.04 and my whole suite of apps.

> The broader question is... what is the best way forward for me to have a 
> stable, functioning system again?

So... still no idea here.

TIA,
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Audio pop/glitch/crackle issues

[Mario Buoninfante]

Hi,

Yesterday I decided to give this another go, and it seems like I might 
have found a solution.


I re-installed Xubuntu and then added Jack to check if the issue was 
there, and it was there indeed (using the generic kernel).
So, I used UbuntuStudio-installer and gave it another try (at this point 
using the low-latency kernel), and the issue was still there.
It seems as if Jack was the issue (or at least everything was pointing 
there), hence why I decided to install Pipewire and configure it so that 
it "replaces" both PulseAudio and Jack, and that gave me the best results.
I definitely don't get that annoying crackle every few minutes or so, 
and (after a bit of time to set it properly) the workflow doesn't seem 
bad at all.


Of course, I still have to properly check the performance, but for now I 
got rid of the main issue, that made my machine totally unusable.


Cheers,

Mario



On 20/12/2022 12:26, mario buoninfante wrote:


Here I am again with another update :)

The crackling audio with Jack is still a thing, the only news is that 
I tried killing/stopping both pulseaudio and pipewire while using 
jack, but that doesn't help, the issue persists.


I feel I might be getting closer to the source, but I don't really 
know at this point.



Cheers,
Mario

On 15/12/2022 18:24, mario buoninfante wrote:


New update.

Got back to Xubuntu 22.04 and installed Ubuntu Studio (via the 
installer).

I'm on kernel 5.15.0-56-lowlatency.
I'm getting the crackle issue when using Jack (setup and started via 
Studio Controls).
When using Alsa it's all fine. I tried streaming audio/video 
(YouTube) and using Ardour 7.2.
I did change daemon.conf in /etc/pulse like suggested in the kernel 
bug ticket.


Cheers,
Mario



On 13/12/2022 12:30, mario buoninfante wrote:


Hi Roy,

Unfortunately that didn't work for me.
I managed to get rid of the audio crackle thing downgrading the 
kernel (there's a known bug introduced with 5.13. - see my 
previous post here).
I still get too many x-runs though, but I started thinking that it 
might have to do with my AMD FirePro W2100 GPU.


Just a guess atm.

While trying to get to the bottom of my initial issue, I also 
installed the AMD drivers for my GPU and that improved the audio 
performance massively. No glitches/distortions even with low buffer 
sizes, but my video was really sluggish.
On the internet I didn't manage to find any report with mine exact 
conditions, but I found few posts here and there of people having 
"audio issues" introduced by (the lack of?) AMD drivers.


I'll keep the list updated in case I get anywhere with this.

Cheers,
Mario



On 11/12/2022 14:52, Roy Damen wrote:
Hello Mario, i wonder if you could just do the 
UbuntuStudio-controls config again. This fixed issues on my machine,


Good luck,

Roy Damen


Op za 10 dec. 2022 om 00:33 schreef mario buoninfante 
:


I think I might have found the issue

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-signed-hwe-5.13/+bug/1966066


On 04/12/2022 12:11, mario buoninfante wrote:


Hi,

Here's a bit more info and some updates.
I'm running Xubuntu 22.04.1 with Ubuntu Studio (everything
installed).
I'm using a Focusrite Clarett 8pre USB as audio device running
at 96kHz sample rate, 256 sample buffer size and 3 JACK period.
I'm fully up-to-date and the kernel is Linux
5.15.0-56-lowlatency x86_64 (I think the kernel got updated in
the last round of updates).

In the last 2 days I unsuccessfully tried to do the following
(in non-particular order):

 *

uninstall pipewire - too many dependencies, so I gave up
on that

 *

the combo

 o

systemctl --user stop pipewire.socket && systemctl
--user stop pipewire.service

 o

systemctl --user mask pipewire.service

 *

re-install pulse audio

  * in /etc/pulse/default.pa <http://default.pa> I added
"tsched=0" to the line containing "load-module
module-udev-detect"
 *

edit the files in /etc/pipewire/media-session.d adding:

 o

session.suspend-timeout-seconds = 0

 *

install pipewire-pulse

 *

replace pipewire-session-manager with wireplumber

 *

re-install pipewire-session-manager and remove wireplumber
(this is actually the last thing I tried, so now I don't
have wireplumber anymore)


Nothing helped.
Then, after using:

 *

systemctl --user status pipewire pipewire-session-manager

I realised I was getting 2 errors:

 *

mod.rt: could not set nice-level to -11: Permission denied

 *

spa.v4l2: '/dev/video0' VIDIOC_QUERYCTRL: Input/output error

I fixed the former adding

|@audio - nice -20|

to /

Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Updated to 22.10 and greeted with a Grub screen: what to do now?

[Viktor Mastoridis]

17 Feb 2023 15:55:31 Ross Gammon :

> Hi Viktor,
>
> Very strange indeed. I did the the exact same upgrade yesterday, but I used 
> the do-release-upgrade command in the Konsole as recommended in the Release 
> Notes.
>
> As the upgrade should only be operating on files using the package manager 
> and its configuration (changing the active release and upgrading packages), I 
> can only think that a new version of Grub could behave differently somehow, 
> or you had a hardware failure.
>
> Do you have a backup? If so, you could restore and try again.
>
> Otherwise, I would recommend asking again on a wider Ubuntu Forum/Mailing 
> list as you are more likely to find someone experienced in trouble-shooting 
> this type of thing. We are more focused on Video and Pro-Audio stuff here.
>
> It did happen to me once before (getting a grub prompt) - I can't remember 
> why. And there is plenty of advice online on how to diagnose the issue from 
> the grub prompt.
>
> Good luck - fingers crossed!
>
> Ross
>
> On 15.02.2023 22.54, Viktor Mastoridis wrote:
>> Hello again,
>>
>> In my 10+ years of using Ubuntu and Ubuntu Studio, this is definitely the 
>> most strange thing.
>>
>> The root drive, where the operating system should've been installed, is 
>> empty!
>> See photo.
>>
>> As I said in my first email, there were no errors at the end of the upgrade 
>> process (22.04 to 22.10),  all was well.
>>
>> And now, there is only an empty, unpartitioned drive (hence the Grub prompt.
>>
>> The SSD drive itself is healthy,  according to Smart Tools.
>>
>> Should I report this situation somewhere?
>> If yes - where?
>> Viktor Mastoridis
>> Sent from 📱
>>
>> 15 Feb 2023 10:27:49 Viktor Mastoridis :
>>
>>> When I say 'Grub' - I mean a terminal grub prompt, with no operating 
>>> systems to select.
>>>
>>

Thank you.
The installation hard disk was actually erased. SmartCtl claims it's a healthy 
disk.
I do have a backup,  that's not the issue.
It's just the mystery of the erased disk...
Viktor Mastoridis
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Updated to 22.10 and greeted with a Grub screen: what to do now?

[Ross Gammon]

Hi Viktor,

Very strange indeed. I did the the exact same upgrade yesterday, but I 
used the do-release-upgrade command in the Konsole as recommended in the 
Release Notes.


As the upgrade should only be operating on files using the package 
manager and its configuration (changing the active release and upgrading 
packages), I can only think that a new version of Grub could behave 
differently somehow, or you had a hardware failure.


Do you have a backup? If so, you could restore and try again.

Otherwise, I would recommend asking again on a wider Ubuntu 
Forum/Mailing list as you are more likely to find someone experienced in 
trouble-shooting this type of thing. We are more focused on Video and 
Pro-Audio stuff here.


It did happen to me once before (getting a grub prompt) - I can't 
remember why. And there is plenty of advice online on how to diagnose 
the issue from the grub prompt.


Good luck - fingers crossed!

Ross

On 15.02.2023 22.54, Viktor Mastoridis wrote:

Hello again,

In my 10+ years of using Ubuntu and Ubuntu Studio, this is definitely 
the most strange thing.


The root drive, where the operating system should've been installed, 
is empty!

See photo.

As I said in my first email, there were no errors at the end of the 
upgrade process (22.04 to 22.10),  all was well.


And now, there is only an empty, unpartitioned drive (hence the Grub 
prompt.


The SSD drive itself is healthy,  according to Smart Tools.

Should I report this situation somewhere?
If yes - where?
Viktor Mastoridis
Sent from 📱

15 Feb 2023 10:27:49 Viktor Mastoridis :

When I say 'Grub' - I mean a terminal grub prompt, with no
operating systems to select.

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] DNS restoration

[Ross Gammon]

Hi Brian,

That doesn't sound like something specific to Ubuntu Studio. You may 
have more success asking this on a wider Ubuntu forum/mailing list where 
there are likely to be a few networking gurus lurking.


Regards,

Ross

PS: I remember there was an issue with a version of the low-latency 
kernel (that comes with Ubuntu Studio) in the past, but this caused a 
hard and fast broken networking situation, and I think it was in US > 
20.x (and fixed).


On 16.02.2023 16.22, Brian Hagen wrote:

Hello, all,

    I am running Ubuntu Studio 18.04 on a LAN at home. From time to 
time, the modem and/or router has to be reset (ISP issues and such). 
Following that, although the Ubuntu machine can still access the 
Internet itself, the DNS-based access is no longer available. Commands 
such as 'ping ' verify that the sites can no longer be 
reached via DNS. Error messages are typically "Failure in resolution" 
and such text. The machine here still has the same IP address on the 
LAN as before the modem/router resets were done. Manual requests to 
reassign an IP address to the Ubuntu machine do not regain DNS 
connectivity.


    In spite of this errant status, services such as Spotify and email 
functions can still operate. Even so, I end up having to shut down 
every external service, dismount all partitions, and restart. What I 
would like to know is how to restore the DNS services without having 
to resort to a full-scale reboot.


    Comment is invited.

Brian




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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] P.S. to moderator RE previous message

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Updated to 22.10 and greeted with a Grub screen: what to do now?

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When I say 'Grub' - I mean a terminal grub prompt, with no operating
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Audio pop/glitch/crackle issues

[mario buoninfante]

Here I am again with another update :)

The crackling audio with Jack is still a thing, the only news is that I 
tried killing/stopping both pulseaudio and pipewire while using jack, 
but that doesn't help, the issue persists.


I feel I might be getting closer to the source, but I don't really know 
at this point.



Cheers,
Mario

On 15/12/2022 18:24, mario buoninfante wrote:


New update.

Got back to Xubuntu 22.04 and installed Ubuntu Studio (via the installer).
I'm on kernel 5.15.0-56-lowlatency.
I'm getting the crackle issue when using Jack (setup and started via 
Studio Controls).
When using Alsa it's all fine. I tried streaming audio/video (YouTube) 
and using Ardour 7.2.
I did change daemon.conf in /etc/pulse like suggested in the kernel 
bug ticket.


Cheers,
Mario



On 13/12/2022 12:30, mario buoninfante wrote:


Hi Roy,

Unfortunately that didn't work for me.
I managed to get rid of the audio crackle thing downgrading the 
kernel (there's a known bug introduced with 5.13. - see my 
previous post here).
I still get too many x-runs though, but I started thinking that it 
might have to do with my AMD FirePro W2100 GPU.


Just a guess atm.

While trying to get to the bottom of my initial issue, I also 
installed the AMD drivers for my GPU and that improved the audio 
performance massively. No glitches/distortions even with low buffer 
sizes, but my video was really sluggish.
On the internet I didn't manage to find any report with mine exact 
conditions, but I found few posts here and there of people having 
"audio issues" introduced by (the lack of?) AMD drivers.


I'll keep the list updated in case I get anywhere with this.

Cheers,
Mario



On 11/12/2022 14:52, Roy Damen wrote:
Hello Mario, i wonder if you could just do the UbuntuStudio-controls 
config again. This fixed issues on my machine,


Good luck,

Roy Damen


Op za 10 dec. 2022 om 00:33 schreef mario buoninfante 
:


I think I might have found the issue

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-signed-hwe-5.13/+bug/1966066


On 04/12/2022 12:11, mario buoninfante wrote:


Hi,

Here's a bit more info and some updates.
I'm running Xubuntu 22.04.1 with Ubuntu Studio (everything
installed).
I'm using a Focusrite Clarett 8pre USB as audio device running
at 96kHz sample rate, 256 sample buffer size and 3 JACK period.
I'm fully up-to-date and the kernel is Linux
5.15.0-56-lowlatency x86_64 (I think the kernel got updated in
the last round of updates).

In the last 2 days I unsuccessfully tried to do the following
(in non-particular order):

 *

uninstall pipewire - too many dependencies, so I gave up on
that

 *

the combo

 o

systemctl --user stop pipewire.socket && systemctl
--user stop pipewire.service

 o

systemctl --user mask pipewire.service

 *

re-install pulse audio

  * in /etc/pulse/default.pa <http://default.pa> I added
"tsched=0" to the line containing "load-module
module-udev-detect"
 *

edit the files in /etc/pipewire/media-session.d adding:

 o

session.suspend-timeout-seconds = 0

 *

    install pipewire-pulse

 *

replace pipewire-session-manager with wireplumber

 *

re-install pipewire-session-manager and remove wireplumber
(this is actually the last thing I tried, so now I don't
have wireplumber anymore)


Nothing helped.
Then, after using:

 *

systemctl --user status pipewire pipewire-session-manager

I realised I was getting 2 errors:

 *

mod.rt: could not set nice-level to -11: Permission denied

 *

spa.v4l2: '/dev/video0' VIDIOC_QUERYCTRL: Input/output error

I fixed the former adding

|@audio - nice -20|

to /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf

I didn't manage to address the latter though.


The situation seems to have improved, not so much with streamed
audio/video, but with audio only (eg audacious) - it might be
too early to assess this though, since it was a late night move.

I went from "totally unusable - glitches, pops and crackles 80%
of the played audio", to "getting pops and crackles sporadically".
Still makes my system unusable, since I mainly
record/mix/produce music on my computer, but all improvements
are welcome!

With audio/video from the internet though (mainly YouTube via
Firefox), I'm still getting terrible performance out of this.


Cheers,
Mario







On 02/12/2022 21:09, mario buoninfante wrote:

Hi,

Recently I started having issues with the audio performance of
my system (Ubuntu 22.04.1 LTS).
It seemed to have started after my last update.
 

Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Fwd: Cannot get a network in Linux (Ubuntu) after using Windows 10

[Erich Eickmeyer]

Since this is a question that isn't specific to Ubuntu Studio (Ubuntu Studio is 
merely a respin of Ubuntu using all of Ubuntu's repositories and nothing 
more), this would best be asked in a more appropriate mailing list such as 
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/ (ubuntu-
us...@lists.ubuntu.com) where you can get more eyes and faster answers.

On Saturday, December 17, 2022 12:17:34 PM PST sciguy wrote:
> For the record, I am using Ubuntu Studio 22.04
> 
>  Original Message 
> Subject: Cannot get a network in Linux (Ubuntu) after using Windows 10
> Date: 2022-12-17 15:14
>  From: sciguy 
> To: TLUG List , Ubuntu Studio
> 
> 
> When I say I can't get a network, I mean that my Linux OS can't see any
> external hardware, including the router. And of course, I can't get the
> Internet.
> 
> When in W10 (as I am now), I checked the router "config pages" and I
> noticed that it has two different IP addresses - one to the W10 hostname
> and one the Linux hostname, on the same machine.
> 
> Any ideas?

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Audio pop/glitch/crackle issues

[mario buoninfante]

New update.

Got back to Xubuntu 22.04 and installed Ubuntu Studio (via the installer).
I'm on kernel 5.15.0-56-lowlatency.
I'm getting the crackle issue when using Jack (setup and started via 
Studio Controls).
When using Alsa it's all fine. I tried streaming audio/video (YouTube) 
and using Ardour 7.2.
I did change daemon.conf in /etc/pulse like suggested in the kernel bug 
ticket.


Cheers,
Mario



On 13/12/2022 12:30, mario buoninfante wrote:


Hi Roy,

Unfortunately that didn't work for me.
I managed to get rid of the audio crackle thing downgrading the kernel 
(there's a known bug introduced with 5.13. - see my previous post 
here).
I still get too many x-runs though, but I started thinking that it 
might have to do with my AMD FirePro W2100 GPU.


Just a guess atm.

While trying to get to the bottom of my initial issue, I also 
installed the AMD drivers for my GPU and that improved the audio 
performance massively. No glitches/distortions even with low buffer 
sizes, but my video was really sluggish.
On the internet I didn't manage to find any report with mine exact 
conditions, but I found few posts here and there of people having 
"audio issues" introduced by (the lack of?) AMD drivers.


I'll keep the list updated in case I get anywhere with this.

Cheers,
Mario



On 11/12/2022 14:52, Roy Damen wrote:
Hello Mario, i wonder if you could just do the UbuntuStudio-controls 
config again. This fixed issues on my machine,


Good luck,

Roy Damen


Op za 10 dec. 2022 om 00:33 schreef mario buoninfante 
:


I think I might have found the issue

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-signed-hwe-5.13/+bug/1966066


On 04/12/2022 12:11, mario buoninfante wrote:


Hi,

Here's a bit more info and some updates.
I'm running Xubuntu 22.04.1 with Ubuntu Studio (everything
installed).
I'm using a Focusrite Clarett 8pre USB as audio device running
at 96kHz sample rate, 256 sample buffer size and 3 JACK period.
I'm fully up-to-date and the kernel is Linux
5.15.0-56-lowlatency x86_64 (I think the kernel got updated in
the last round of updates).

In the last 2 days I unsuccessfully tried to do the following
(in non-particular order):

 *

uninstall pipewire - too many dependencies, so I gave up on that

 *

the combo

 o

systemctl --user stop pipewire.socket && systemctl
--user stop pipewire.service

     o

systemctl --user mask pipewire.service

 *

re-install pulse audio

  * in /etc/pulse/default.pa <http://default.pa> I added
"tsched=0" to the line containing "load-module
module-udev-detect"
 *

edit the files in /etc/pipewire/media-session.d adding:

 o

session.suspend-timeout-seconds = 0

 *

install pipewire-pulse

 *

replace pipewire-session-manager with wireplumber

 *

re-install pipewire-session-manager and remove wireplumber
(this is actually the last thing I tried, so now I don't
have wireplumber anymore)


Nothing helped.
Then, after using:

 *

systemctl --user status pipewire pipewire-session-manager

I realised I was getting 2 errors:

 *

mod.rt: could not set nice-level to -11: Permission denied

 *

spa.v4l2: '/dev/video0' VIDIOC_QUERYCTRL: Input/output error

I fixed the former adding

|@audio - nice -20|

to /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf

I didn't manage to address the latter though.


The situation seems to have improved, not so much with streamed
audio/video, but with audio only (eg audacious) - it might be
too early to assess this though, since it was a late night move.

I went from "totally unusable - glitches, pops and crackles 80%
of the played audio", to "getting pops and crackles sporadically".
Still makes my system unusable, since I mainly
record/mix/produce music on my computer, but all improvements
are welcome!

With audio/video from the internet though (mainly YouTube via
Firefox), I'm still getting terrible performance out of this.


Cheers,
Mario







On 02/12/2022 21:09, mario buoninfante wrote:

Hi,

Recently I started having issues with the audio performance of
my system (Ubuntu 22.04.1 LTS).
It seemed to have started after my last update.
Simply running "top" I noticed I have "pipewire" running and I
was wondering if that could be the problem.
I don't know if that has always been installed as I never
checked before today, but I found online that several people
are having similar issues both on Ubuntu and Fedora.

Any feedback/recommendation is welcome :)

Cheers,
 

Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Audio pop/glitch/crackle issues

[mario buoninfante]

Hi Roy,

Unfortunately that didn't work for me.
I managed to get rid of the audio crackle thing downgrading the kernel 
(there's a known bug introduced with 5.13. - see my previous post here).
I still get too many x-runs though, but I started thinking that it might 
have to do with my AMD FirePro W2100 GPU.


Just a guess atm.

While trying to get to the bottom of my initial issue, I also installed 
the AMD drivers for my GPU and that improved the audio performance 
massively. No glitches/distortions even with low buffer sizes, but my 
video was really sluggish.
On the internet I didn't manage to find any report with mine exact 
conditions, but I found few posts here and there of people having "audio 
issues" introduced by (the lack of?) AMD drivers.


I'll keep the list updated in case I get anywhere with this.

Cheers,
Mario



On 11/12/2022 14:52, Roy Damen wrote:
Hello Mario, i wonder if you could just do the UbuntuStudio-controls 
config again. This fixed issues on my machine,


Good luck,

Roy Damen


Op za 10 dec. 2022 om 00:33 schreef mario buoninfante 
:


I think I might have found the issue

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-signed-hwe-5.13/+bug/1966066


On 04/12/2022 12:11, mario buoninfante wrote:


Hi,

Here's a bit more info and some updates.
I'm running Xubuntu 22.04.1 with Ubuntu Studio (everything
installed).
I'm using a Focusrite Clarett 8pre USB as audio device running at
96kHz sample rate, 256 sample buffer size and 3 JACK period.
I'm fully up-to-date and the kernel is Linux 5.15.0-56-lowlatency
x86_64 (I think the kernel got updated in the last round of updates).

In the last 2 days I unsuccessfully tried to do the following (in
non-particular order):

 *

uninstall pipewire - too many dependencies, so I gave up on that

 *

the combo

 o

systemctl --user stop pipewire.socket && systemctl --user
stop pipewire.service

 o

    systemctl --user mask pipewire.service

 *

re-install pulse audio

  * in /etc/pulse/default.pa <http://default.pa> I added
"tsched=0" to the line containing "load-module
module-udev-detect"
 *

edit the files in /etc/pipewire/media-session.d adding:

 o

session.suspend-timeout-seconds = 0

 *

install pipewire-pulse

 *

replace pipewire-session-manager with wireplumber

 *

re-install pipewire-session-manager and remove wireplumber
(this is actually the last thing I tried, so now I don't have
wireplumber anymore)


Nothing helped.
Then, after using:

 *

systemctl --user status pipewire pipewire-session-manager

I realised I was getting 2 errors:

 *

mod.rt: could not set nice-level to -11: Permission denied

 *

spa.v4l2: '/dev/video0' VIDIOC_QUERYCTRL: Input/output error

I fixed the former adding

|@audio - nice -20|

to /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf

I didn't manage to address the latter though.


The situation seems to have improved, not so much with streamed
audio/video, but with audio only (eg audacious) - it might be too
early to assess this though, since it was a late night move.

I went from "totally unusable - glitches, pops and crackles 80%
of the played audio", to "getting pops and crackles sporadically".
Still makes my system unusable, since I mainly record/mix/produce
music on my computer, but all improvements are welcome!

With audio/video from the internet though (mainly YouTube via
Firefox), I'm still getting terrible performance out of this.


Cheers,
Mario







On 02/12/2022 21:09, mario buoninfante wrote:

Hi,

Recently I started having issues with the audio performance of
my system (Ubuntu 22.04.1 LTS).
It seemed to have started after my last update.
Simply running "top" I noticed I have "pipewire" running and I
was wondering if that could be the problem.
I don't know if that has always been installed as I never
checked before today, but I found online that several people are
having similar issues both on Ubuntu and Fedora.

Any feedback/recommendation is welcome :)

Cheers,
Mario



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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Audio pop/glitch/crackle issues

[Roy Damen]

Hello Mario, i wonder if you could just do the UbuntuStudio-controls config
again. This fixed issues on my machine,

Good luck,

Roy Damen


Op za 10 dec. 2022 om 00:33 schreef mario buoninfante <
mario.buoninfa...@gmail.com>:

> I think I might have found the issue
>
>
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-signed-hwe-5.13/+bug/1966066
>
>
> On 04/12/2022 12:11, mario buoninfante wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Here's a bit more info and some updates.
> I'm running Xubuntu 22.04.1 with Ubuntu Studio (everything installed).
> I'm using a Focusrite Clarett 8pre USB as audio device running at 96kHz
> sample rate, 256 sample buffer size and 3 JACK period.
> I'm fully up-to-date and the kernel is Linux 5.15.0-56-lowlatency x86_64
> (I think the kernel got updated in the last round of updates).
>
> In the last 2 days I unsuccessfully tried to do the following (in
> non-particular order):
>
>-
>
>uninstall pipewire - too many dependencies, so I gave up on that
>-
>
>the combo
>-
>
>   systemctl --user stop pipewire.socket && systemctl --user stop
>   pipewire.service
>   -
>
>   systemctl --user mask pipewire.service
>   -
>
>re-install pulse audio
>- in /etc/pulse/default.pa I added "tsched=0" to the line containing
>"load-module module-udev-detect"
>-
>
>edit the files in /etc/pipewire/media-session.d adding:
>-
>
>   session.suspend-timeout-seconds = 0
>   -
>
>install pipewire-pulse
>-
>
>replace pipewire-session-manager with wireplumber
>-
>
>re-install pipewire-session-manager and remove wireplumber (this is
>actually the last thing I tried, so now I don't have wireplumber anymore)
>
>
> Nothing helped.
> Then, after using:
>
>-
>
>systemctl --user status pipewire pipewire-session-manager
>
> I realised I was getting 2 errors:
>
>-
>
>mod.rt: could not set nice-level to -11: Permission denied
>-
>
>spa.v4l2: '/dev/video0' VIDIOC_QUERYCTRL: Input/output error
>
> I fixed the former adding
>
> @audio - nice -20
>
> to /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf
>
> I didn't manage to address the latter though.
>
>
> The situation seems to have improved, not so much with streamed
> audio/video, but with audio only (eg audacious) - it might be too early to
> assess this though, since it was a late night move.
>
> I went from "totally unusable - glitches, pops and crackles 80% of the
> played audio", to "getting pops and crackles sporadically".
> Still makes my system unusable, since I mainly record/mix/produce music on
> my computer, but all improvements are welcome!
>
> With audio/video from the internet though (mainly YouTube via Firefox),
> I'm still getting terrible performance out of this.
>
>
> Cheers,
> Mario
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 02/12/2022 21:09, mario buoninfante wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Recently I started having issues with the audio performance of my system
> (Ubuntu 22.04.1 LTS).
> It seemed to have started after my last update.
> Simply running "top" I noticed I have "pipewire" running and I was
> wondering if that could be the problem.
> I don't know if that has always been installed as I never checked before
> today, but I found online that several people are having similar issues
> both on Ubuntu and Fedora.
>
> Any feedback/recommendation is welcome :)
>
> Cheers,
> Mario
>
>
>
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Audio pop/glitch/crackle issues

[mario buoninfante]

I think I might have found the issue

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-signed-hwe-5.13/+bug/1966066


On 04/12/2022 12:11, mario buoninfante wrote:


Hi,

Here's a bit more info and some updates.
I'm running Xubuntu 22.04.1 with Ubuntu Studio (everything installed).
I'm using a Focusrite Clarett 8pre USB as audio device running at 
96kHz sample rate, 256 sample buffer size and 3 JACK period.
I'm fully up-to-date and the kernel is Linux 5.15.0-56-lowlatency 
x86_64 (I think the kernel got updated in the last round of updates).


In the last 2 days I unsuccessfully tried to do the following (in 
non-particular order):


 *

uninstall pipewire - too many dependencies, so I gave up on that

 *

the combo

 o

systemctl --user stop pipewire.socket && systemctl --user stop
pipewire.service

 o

systemctl --user mask pipewire.service

 *

re-install pulse audio

  * in /etc/pulse/default.pa I added "tsched=0" to the line containing
"load-module module-udev-detect"
 *

edit the files in /etc/pipewire/media-session.d adding:

 o

session.suspend-timeout-seconds = 0

 *

install pipewire-pulse

 *

replace pipewire-session-manager with wireplumber

 *

re-install pipewire-session-manager and remove wireplumber (this
is actually the last thing I tried, so now I don't have
wireplumber anymore)


Nothing helped.
Then, after using:

 *

systemctl --user status pipewire pipewire-session-manager

I realised I was getting 2 errors:

 *

mod.rt: could not set nice-level to -11: Permission denied

 *

spa.v4l2: '/dev/video0' VIDIOC_QUERYCTRL: Input/output error

I fixed the former adding

|@audio - nice -20|

to /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf

I didn't manage to address the latter though.


The situation seems to have improved, not so much with streamed 
audio/video, but with audio only (eg audacious) - it might be too 
early to assess this though, since it was a late night move.


I went from "totally unusable - glitches, pops and crackles 80% of the 
played audio", to "getting pops and crackles sporadically".
Still makes my system unusable, since I mainly record/mix/produce 
music on my computer, but all improvements are welcome!


With audio/video from the internet though (mainly YouTube via 
Firefox), I'm still getting terrible performance out of this.



Cheers,
Mario







On 02/12/2022 21:09, mario buoninfante wrote:

Hi,

Recently I started having issues with the audio performance of my 
system (Ubuntu 22.04.1 LTS).

It seemed to have started after my last update.
Simply running "top" I noticed I have "pipewire" running and I was 
wondering if that could be the problem.
I don't know if that has always been installed as I never checked 
before today, but I found online that several people are having 
similar issues both on Ubuntu and Fedora.


Any feedback/recommendation is welcome :)

Cheers,
Mario




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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Audio pop/glitch/crackle issues

[Mario Buoninfante]

Hi,

quick update.
I downgraded to Linux kernel 5.13, still issues.
I tried installing Xubuntu 22.10 + Ubuntu Studio, no luck.
Downgraded to US 20.04.5, no luck as well.
Then, on US 20.04.5 I downgraded to kernel 5.11 and it all works fine.
It does seem like the most recent kernel versions (>5.13) messed up audio
(over USB at least).

Cheers,
Mario



On Sun, 4 Dec 2022 at 12:11, mario buoninfante 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Here's a bit more info and some updates.
> I'm running Xubuntu 22.04.1 with Ubuntu Studio (everything installed).
> I'm using a Focusrite Clarett 8pre USB as audio device running at 96kHz
> sample rate, 256 sample buffer size and 3 JACK period.
> I'm fully up-to-date and the kernel is Linux 5.15.0-56-lowlatency x86_64
> (I think the kernel got updated in the last round of updates).
>
> In the last 2 days I unsuccessfully tried to do the following (in
> non-particular order):
>
>-
>
>uninstall pipewire - too many dependencies, so I gave up on that
>-
>
>the combo
>-
>
>   systemctl --user stop pipewire.socket && systemctl --user stop
>       pipewire.service
>   -
>
>   systemctl --user mask pipewire.service
>   -
>
>re-install pulse audio
>- in /etc/pulse/default.pa I added "tsched=0" to the line containing
>"load-module module-udev-detect"
>-
>
>edit the files in /etc/pipewire/media-session.d adding:
>-
>
>       session.suspend-timeout-seconds = 0
>   -
>
>install pipewire-pulse
>-
>
>replace pipewire-session-manager with wireplumber
>-
>
>re-install pipewire-session-manager and remove wireplumber (this is
>actually the last thing I tried, so now I don't have wireplumber anymore)
>
>
> Nothing helped.
> Then, after using:
>
>-
>
>systemctl --user status pipewire pipewire-session-manager
>
> I realised I was getting 2 errors:
>
>-
>
>mod.rt: could not set nice-level to -11: Permission denied
>-
>
>spa.v4l2: '/dev/video0' VIDIOC_QUERYCTRL: Input/output error
>
> I fixed the former adding
>
> @audio - nice -20
>
> to /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf
>
> I didn't manage to address the latter though.
>
>
> The situation seems to have improved, not so much with streamed
> audio/video, but with audio only (eg audacious) - it might be too early to
> assess this though, since it was a late night move.
>
> I went from "totally unusable - glitches, pops and crackles 80% of the
> played audio", to "getting pops and crackles sporadically".
> Still makes my system unusable, since I mainly record/mix/produce music on
> my computer, but all improvements are welcome!
>
> With audio/video from the internet though (mainly YouTube via Firefox),
> I'm still getting terrible performance out of this.
>
>
> Cheers,
> Mario
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 02/12/2022 21:09, mario buoninfante wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Recently I started having issues with the audio performance of my system
> (Ubuntu 22.04.1 LTS).
> It seemed to have started after my last update.
> Simply running "top" I noticed I have "pipewire" running and I was
> wondering if that could be the problem.
> I don't know if that has always been installed as I never checked before
> today, but I found online that several people are having similar issues
> both on Ubuntu and Fedora.
>
> Any feedback/recommendation is welcome :)
>
> Cheers,
> Mario
>
>
>
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> ---
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Audio pop/glitch/crackle issues

[mario buoninfante]

Hi,

Here's a bit more info and some updates.
I'm running Xubuntu 22.04.1 with Ubuntu Studio (everything installed).
I'm using a Focusrite Clarett 8pre USB as audio device running at 96kHz 
sample rate, 256 sample buffer size and 3 JACK period.
I'm fully up-to-date and the kernel is Linux 5.15.0-56-lowlatency x86_64 
(I think the kernel got updated in the last round of updates).


In the last 2 days I unsuccessfully tried to do the following (in 
non-particular order):


 *

   uninstall pipewire - too many dependencies, so I gave up on that

 *

   the combo

 o

   systemctl --user stop pipewire.socket && systemctl --user stop
   pipewire.service

 o

   systemctl --user mask pipewire.service

 *

   re-install pulse audio

 * in /etc/pulse/default.pa I added "tsched=0" to the line containing
   "load-module module-udev-detect"
 *

   edit the files in /etc/pipewire/media-session.d adding:

 o

   session.suspend-timeout-seconds = 0

 *

   install pipewire-pulse

 *

   replace pipewire-session-manager with wireplumber

 *

   re-install pipewire-session-manager and remove wireplumber (this is
   actually the last thing I tried, so now I don't have wireplumber
   anymore)


Nothing helped.
Then, after using:

 *

   systemctl --user status pipewire pipewire-session-manager

I realised I was getting 2 errors:

 *

   mod.rt: could not set nice-level to -11: Permission denied

 *

   spa.v4l2: '/dev/video0' VIDIOC_QUERYCTRL: Input/output error

I fixed the former adding

   |@audio - nice -20|

to /etc/security/limits.d/audio.conf

I didn't manage to address the latter though.


The situation seems to have improved, not so much with streamed 
audio/video, but with audio only (eg audacious) - it might be too early 
to assess this though, since it was a late night move.


I went from "totally unusable - glitches, pops and crackles 80% of the 
played audio", to "getting pops and crackles sporadically".
Still makes my system unusable, since I mainly record/mix/produce music 
on my computer, but all improvements are welcome!


With audio/video from the internet though (mainly YouTube via Firefox), 
I'm still getting terrible performance out of this.



Cheers,
Mario







On 02/12/2022 21:09, mario buoninfante wrote:

Hi,

Recently I started having issues with the audio performance of my 
system (Ubuntu 22.04.1 LTS).

It seemed to have started after my last update.
Simply running "top" I noticed I have "pipewire" running and I was 
wondering if that could be the problem.
I don't know if that has always been installed as I never checked 
before today, but I found online that several people are having 
similar issues both on Ubuntu and Fedora.


Any feedback/recommendation is welcome :)

Cheers,
Mario




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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Frescobaldi package broken in Jammy

[Viktor Mastoridis]

>
> Missing context. You appear to have replied to the thread in the wrong
> mailing
> list?

I know Steve Langasek but he's not subscribed to this mailing list, and
> if your intent was to bring this mailing list into the discussion, it
> would've
> been better to add this mailing list so that there could've been some sort
> of
> trail to follow, i.e. we could've seen the previous messages for some
> context.
>
It's the wrong mailing list!  Frescobaldi's developer asked me to add my
voice to this issue and there was a link to the mailing list. I saw the
first few letters of the list and presumed that this (ubuntu-users) is the
one. As I couldn't find the email thread in my archives, I presumed that I
have deleted it. So I thought, copying the email headline and continuing
from the last email will do the job.
How very, very silly of me! So many wrong presumptions.
I do apologise.



>
> That said, I'm at least tangentially aware of the frescobaldi situation.
> Frescobaldi isn't a package we carry in Ubuntu Studio. Ubuntu Studio is
> merely
> a different default installation of Ubuntu, otherwise it's completely
> Ubuntu
> once installed and not a separate distribution. Therefore, there's no need
> to
> go through Ubuntu Studio for the issues you're having. Steve is one of the
> highest-ranking developers in Ubuntu (above even me), so you're already
> talking to the right people.
>
Point taken, thank you.

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Frescobaldi package broken in Jammy

[Alexandre Peccioli]

Frescobaldi is having problems on Ubuntu 22.04, I advise you to install the
flatpak version or upgrade to Ubuntu 22.10.

Em qui., 17 de nov. de 2022 às 12:51, Erich Eickmeyer 
escreveu:

> Hi Viktor,
>
> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 12:57:16 AM PST Viktor Mastoridis wrote:
> > But On Tue Oct 25 2022 at 05:50:44 UTC, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > > I am prepared to argue in this case that a full-upstream update in SRU
> > > would be appropriate on the grounds that the package is completely
> > > unusable
> > > and therefore the regression potential is nil, and has a better chance
> > > of correctness than cherry-picking individual commits and hoping we've
> > > caught all the type errors.
> >
> > This doesn't obviously fix the problem of the missing dependency.  I
> >
> > > will check with the rest of the SRU team how they would want this
> handled.
> >
> > I would like to add my vote to this issue. I am a music teacher relying
> > heavily on Frescobaldi. It was never broken in the last 10 years on UBS
> and
> > this time I was taken by surprise, hoping that I can easily install 3.2
> > from code - but failed miserably and wasted many hours.
> >
> > I understand if nobody has the time to fix this. But I would like to say
> my
> > opinion on the importance of Frescobaldi.
> >
> > Music production, performance and education are closely connected. Many,
> if
> > not most of us musicians teach in addition to music making. *Especially
> > during and after Covid. *
> > In that light, Ubuntu Studio could reconsider the importance of
> > Frescobaldi. It plays a crucial role in music education (alongside
> > Lilypond, of course:-) and should have a status same as Ardour or Jack;
> and
> > not treated as a secondary 'add-on'.
> >
> > Viktor Mastoridis
> > Music producer and educator
>
> Missing context. You appear to have replied to the thread in the wrong
> mailing
> list? I know Steve Langasek but he's not subscribed to this mailing list,
> and
> if your intent was to bring this mailing list into the discussion, it
> would've
> been better to add this mailing list so that there could've been some sort
> of
> trail to follow, i.e. we could've seen the previous messages for some
> context.
>
> That said, I'm at least tangentially aware of the frescobaldi situation.
> Frescobaldi isn't a package we carry in Ubuntu Studio. Ubuntu Studio is
> merely
> a different default installation of Ubuntu, otherwise it's completely
> Ubuntu
> once installed and not a separate distribution. Therefore, there's no need
> to
> go through Ubuntu Studio for the issues you're having. Steve is one of the
> highest-ranking developers in Ubuntu (above even me), so you're already
> talking to the right people.
>
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Frescobaldi package broken in Jammy

[Erich Eickmeyer]

Hi Viktor,

On Thursday, November 17, 2022 12:57:16 AM PST Viktor Mastoridis wrote:
> But On Tue Oct 25 2022 at 05:50:44 UTC, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > I am prepared to argue in this case that a full-upstream update in SRU
> > would be appropriate on the grounds that the package is completely
> > unusable
> > and therefore the regression potential is nil, and has a better chance
> > of correctness than cherry-picking individual commits and hoping we've
> > caught all the type errors.
> 
> This doesn't obviously fix the problem of the missing dependency.  I
> 
> > will check with the rest of the SRU team how they would want this handled.
> 
> I would like to add my vote to this issue. I am a music teacher relying
> heavily on Frescobaldi. It was never broken in the last 10 years on UBS and
> this time I was taken by surprise, hoping that I can easily install 3.2
> from code - but failed miserably and wasted many hours.
> 
> I understand if nobody has the time to fix this. But I would like to say my
> opinion on the importance of Frescobaldi.
> 
> Music production, performance and education are closely connected. Many, if
> not most of us musicians teach in addition to music making. *Especially
> during and after Covid. *
> In that light, Ubuntu Studio could reconsider the importance of
> Frescobaldi. It plays a crucial role in music education (alongside
> Lilypond, of course:-) and should have a status same as Ardour or Jack; and
> not treated as a secondary 'add-on'.
> 
> Viktor Mastoridis
> Music producer and educator

Missing context. You appear to have replied to the thread in the wrong mailing 
list? I know Steve Langasek but he's not subscribed to this mailing list, and 
if your intent was to bring this mailing list into the discussion, it would've 
been better to add this mailing list so that there could've been some sort of 
trail to follow, i.e. we could've seen the previous messages for some context.

That said, I'm at least tangentially aware of the frescobaldi situation. 
Frescobaldi isn't a package we carry in Ubuntu Studio. Ubuntu Studio is merely 
a different default installation of Ubuntu, otherwise it's completely Ubuntu 
once installed and not a separate distribution. Therefore, there's no need to 
go through Ubuntu Studio for the issues you're having. Steve is one of the 
highest-ranking developers in Ubuntu (above even me), so you're already 
talking to the right people.

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] 22.10 install hangs

[Erich Eickmeyer]

On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 2:10:45 PM PDT Glenn Holmer wrote:
> On 10/26/22 15:33, Glenn Holmer wrote:
> > When I run the 22.10 installer, it hangs at "Waiting for 1 module". Is
> > this a known issue? Where is the log file that will tell me what's
> > happening?
> 
> Also, the screensaver timed out on me while I was installing. What
> password to unlock it with?

Oh sorry. Just press enter, there's no password.

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] 22.10 install hangs

[Erich Eickmeyer]

On Wednesday, October 26, 2022 2:10:45 PM PDT Glenn Holmer wrote:
> Also, the screensaver timed out on me while I was installing. What
> password to unlock it with?

That should just be your login password.




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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] 22.10 install hangs

[Glenn Holmer]

On 10/26/22 15:33, Glenn Holmer wrote:
> When I run the 22.10 installer, it hangs at "Waiting for 1 module". Is
> this a known issue? Where is the log file that will tell me what's
> happening?

Also, the screensaver timed out on me while I was installing. What
password to unlock it with?

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] 22.10 install hangs

[Glenn Holmer]

On 10/26/22 15:33, Glenn Holmer wrote:
> When I run the 22.10 installer, it hangs at "Waiting for 1 module". Is
> this a known issue? Where is the log file that will tell me what's
> happening?

OK, it eventually proceeded, but after quite a long wait (several minutes).

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[ubuntu-studio-users] Desktops [Was: Re: Subscribe]

[Ross Gammon]

You can always install multiple desktops, and choose the one you want to 
use at the Display Manager after the machine boots. But I have never 
tried this with SDDM.


But I have had problems doing this in the past with strange things 
happening. You really need to know what you are doing.


I am curious. What is so important about using XFCE?

On 04.10.2022 02.27, Joseph Ronne wrote:

Can I install xfce over a  Studio 22.04 installation ?


On Mon, Oct 3, 2022 at 9:54 AM Ross Gammon 
 wrote:


Hi Joseph,

Erich already answered this question in another thread.

If you want KDE, just install the latest Ubuntu Studio (22.04).

If you want XFCE, then install Xubuntu 22.04, and then install the
Ubuntu Studio packages as described here:
https://ubuntustudio.org/ubuntu-studio-installer/

If you want Gnome, then install the standard Ubuntu and use the
same ubuntu-studio-installer. I can confirm that this works, as I
use this on one of my machines.

This should work for any other flavor of Ubuntu (Lubuntu, Ubuntu
Budgie, Ubuntu Kylin, Ubuntu MATE) as well.

Regards,

Ross

On 03.10.2022 12.01, Joseph Ronne wrote:

Is there an install with KDE or  xfce ?


On Fri, Sep 30, 2022 at 8:35 AM jibel  wrote:

For studio ubuntu 22.04 for install it with KDE or xfce or
other thank you

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Re-install categories in Whisker menu

[mario buoninfante]

Hi Erich,

Thanks for getting back to me.

Definitely "menulibre" messed things up. I got the favourites back 
installing and using "alacarte".
The icons are missing (I got the default one for all the Ubuntu Studio 
favourites), but I decided to leave it as it is for now.


I also found more info about this issue here:

https://askubuntu.com/questions/795431/ubuntu-studio-menu-audio-video-production-graphics-directory-menu-entry-disapp

I will double check your recommendation at some point though and share 
the results here.



Cheers,
Mario


On 02/10/2022 01:48, Erich Eickmeyer wrote:

Hi Mario,

On Friday, September 30, 2022 2:39:37 AM PDT mario buoninfante wrote:

Hi,


I'm running Xubuntu 22.04.1 LTS with UbuntuStudio installed using Ubuntu
Studio Installer.

I was wondering if there is a way to "re-install" the categories in the
Whisker menu (ie Audio Production, Video Production, etc.), since I seem
to have accidentally removed them, together with few apps (QJack, Studio
Controls, etc.), that I managed to bring back.

I'm still trying to understand how I did it, all I know is that I was
installing few things like RtAudio, some Octave packages and Unity, so
I'm sure I must have done something stupid there.

I re-ran Ubuntu Studio installer, but that didn't do anything.


Cheers,
Mario

If you enable the Backports PPA from Ubuntu Studio Installer and install
ubuntustudio-menu from there (or upgrade to the one in there), it should fix
the issue for you. If you somehow edited the menu with menulibre or a similar
tool, then it might override the menu defaults it makes.



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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Subscribe

[Joseph Ronne]

Can I install xfce over a  Studio 22.04 installation ?


On Mon, Oct 3, 2022 at 9:54 AM Ross Gammon 
wrote:

> Hi Joseph,
>
> Erich already answered this question in another thread.
>
> If you want KDE, just install the latest Ubuntu Studio (22.04).
>
> If you want XFCE, then install Xubuntu 22.04, and then install the Ubuntu
> Studio packages as described here:
> https://ubuntustudio.org/ubuntu-studio-installer/
>
> If you want Gnome, then install the standard Ubuntu and use the same
> ubuntu-studio-installer. I can confirm that this works, as I use this on
> one of my machines.
>
> This should work for any other flavor of Ubuntu (Lubuntu, Ubuntu Budgie,
> Ubuntu Kylin, Ubuntu MATE) as well.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ross
> On 03.10.2022 12.01, Joseph Ronne wrote:
>
> Is there an install with KDE or  xfce ?
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 30, 2022 at 8:35 AM jibel  wrote:
>
>> For studio ubuntu 22.04 for install it with KDE or xfce or other thank you
>>
>> Envoyé de mon iPhone
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Subscribe

[Ross Gammon]

Hi Joseph,

Erich already answered this question in another thread.

If you want KDE, just install the latest Ubuntu Studio (22.04).

If you want XFCE, then install Xubuntu 22.04, and then install the 
Ubuntu Studio packages as described here: 
https://ubuntustudio.org/ubuntu-studio-installer/


If you want Gnome, then install the standard Ubuntu and use the same 
ubuntu-studio-installer. I can confirm that this works, as I use this on 
one of my machines.


This should work for any other flavor of Ubuntu (Lubuntu, Ubuntu Budgie, 
Ubuntu Kylin, Ubuntu MATE) as well.


Regards,

Ross

On 03.10.2022 12.01, Joseph Ronne wrote:

Is there an install with KDE or  xfce ?


On Fri, Sep 30, 2022 at 8:35 AM jibel  wrote:

For studio ubuntu 22.04 for install it with KDE or xfce or other
thank you

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Subscribe

[Joseph Ronne]

Is there an install with KDE or  xfce ?


On Fri, Sep 30, 2022 at 8:35 AM jibel  wrote:

> For studio ubuntu 22.04 for install it with KDE or xfce or other thank you
>
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Stand Up kde-full is Ok now, returning again to X11 + C++11 and looking for Sound focus Kernel Improvements collaboration.

[Juan DCG]

Dear Erich,

Ok, I understand your guidelines and understand that I would follow and
learn bela.io to reach my objetives.

Thank you, with general kernel Ubuntu Studio 22.04 LTS is ok for my
workstation, but low latency kernel insatisfy my soul.

I also read again links that you offer me.

Regards.

Juan.

El sáb, 1 oct 2022 a las 19:21, Erich Eickmeyer ()
escribió:

> On Saturday, October 1, 2022 2:44:35 AM PDT Juan DCG wrote:
>
> > I would like promote some maybe simple or maybe complex.
>
> >
>
> > So,
>
> >
>
> > Over 2013 I was building piece by piece, big workstation in amd64/ATX,
>
> > nowdays is working by default KDE new envirnonment GUI with recently
>
> > Deprecated XCFE.
>
> >
>
> > Only apt install kde-full && reboot to work in Ubunu 22.
>
> >
>
> > Satisfy my self.
>
> >
>
> > But I'm looking for help to work and job, focusing only on Sound/Audio,
> as
>
> > Bela.io, for example, with other RT Kernel than default low latency maybe
>
> > no tolarated in professional Sound Environments or acoustics applied data
>
> > science environments able to look ahead bechmarking.
>
> >
>
> > Are there anyone interesting and be able to help me together to reach
> this
>
> > objetives?
>
> >
>
> > Regards,
>
> > -
>
> >
>
> > JuanDCG314...
>
> Hi Juan,
>
> You're already off to a rough start. First of all, Xfce is not deprecated.
> It's merely not the default. One can still use Xfce by using Xubuntu and
> using Ubuntu Studio Installer. This is covered via a link on the very front
> page of the website and via a download page, but here's a link for your
> reference: https://ubuntustudio.org/ubuntu-studio-installer
>
> Secondly, we never refer to an Ubuntu (or Studio or any other flavor)
> merely by the year (you referred to it as simply 22) as this is highly
> imprecise. Later this month, 22.10 (2022.October) will be released. The
> version number always refers to the date it was released, not an arbitrary
> number. I assume you're referring to the version released in 2022.April, or
> 22.04 as it's officially known. Please be more precise and refer to it by
> the YY.MM (Year.Month), not simply the year, as this will get confusing
> very quickly with two "22"s in the same year. Here's more about the release
> cycle: https://ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle
>
> Secondly, RT kernels in desktop computers are a very bad idea for security
> and power usage reasons and should only be implemented in embedded systems.
> Read this to see a an explanation as to why, and why Ubuntu Studio does NOT
> condone nor support RT kernels:
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/RealTimeKernel
>
> That said, there is already a safe RT kernel in the works with the new
> implementations done in the most recent kernel technologies internally at
> Canonical. I have not kept up on those conversations (as stated before
> privately to you, I do not work for Canonical) but I do have my finger on
> the pulse that there have been things in the works. See
> https://canonical.com/blog/real-time-linux-qa for more information.
>
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>
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Icon Theme

[rsbrux]

P.S. The new icon sizes are retained if I 
1. Select a different icon theme.
2. Change the icon sizes.
3. Reselect Ubuntu Studio Dark (as Global theme or icon theme)

-Original Message-
From: rsbrux  
Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2022 11:27 AM
To: 'ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com' 

Subject: RE: Icon Theme

Using Papirus (or Breeze Dark) instead of Ubuntu Studio Dark not only enables 
the "Configure Icon Sizes" slider in " System Settings/Appearance/Icons ", but 
also *is* in fact effective. I had just failed to understand the different 
categories of icons.
Krusader now allows selection of different icon sizes in the toolbar but 
doesn't use them.  The toolbar icon size is only affected by "System Settings".
1. If Ubuntu Studio Dark is based on Papirus, why doesn't it support "Configure 
icon sizes" (System Settings/Appearance/Icons)?
2. What is the difference between "toolbar" and "main toolbar"?
3. The icon size in the (default) "Icons-only Task Manager" doesn't respond to 
System Settings/Appearance/Icons, nor is there such an option in its 
"Configure" dialog.  How can I change its icon site?
4. Is there some way to change "Appearance" settings for the whole system, 
instead of changing them in each user profile?
Thanks for all your help!


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   1. Re:  Icon Theme (rsbrux)
   2. Re:  Icon Theme (Juan DCG)
   3. Re:  Icon Theme (Erich Eickmeyer)
   4. Re:  Icon Theme (Erich Eickmeyer)


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As an experiment I changed the icon theme in "System Settings" to Papirus and 
increased the icon size to 48px.  However, I see no change in the UI. Neither 
the icons in the "Icons only" task manager nor those in any application have 
changed, even after restarting the system. Toolbar icons in GnuCash and 
Krusader are mostly monochrome and faded to the point of suggesting that they 
are disabled, even though they are active.  The "Icon size" option in the 
context menu of Krusader's toolbar is als ineffective (see 
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=459753).  How can I get icons with decent 
contrast (preferably color) and size?

On 27.09.22 15:35, rsbrux wrote:
>
> I am using the default Ubuntu Studio Dark theme in 22.04.1 LTS but am 
> frustrated with it.  I find the contrast poor and the icon size too 
> small.  The “Configure Icon Size” slider in “System Settings” is 
> disabled, and the 22px icons are very difficult to make out, e.g. in 
> the Krusader toolbar. The mouseover text in “System Settings – Icons”
> says “Extra icons only Studio uses”.  Does this mean that this is not 
> a “full icon theme”? I am afraid to change to a different icon theme 
> which might be lacking icons peculiar to Ubuntu Studio. What can I do?
>
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My best user experience with ubuntu studio along years have been customizing 
XCFE GUI environment.

El mar, 27 sept 2022 a las 19:54, rsbrux () escribió:

> I am using the default Ubuntu Studio Dark theme in 22.04.1 LTS but am 
> frustrated with it.  I find the contrast poor and the icon size too small.
> The “Configure Icon Size” slider in “System Settings” is disabled, and 
> the 22px icons are very difficult to make out, e.g. in the Krusader toolbar.
> The mouseover text in “System Settings – Icons” say

Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Re-install categories in Whisker menu

[Erich Eickmeyer]

Hi Mario,

On Friday, September 30, 2022 2:39:37 AM PDT mario buoninfante wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> 
> I'm running Xubuntu 22.04.1 LTS with UbuntuStudio installed using Ubuntu
> Studio Installer.
> 
> I was wondering if there is a way to "re-install" the categories in the
> Whisker menu (ie Audio Production, Video Production, etc.), since I seem
> to have accidentally removed them, together with few apps (QJack, Studio
> Controls, etc.), that I managed to bring back.
> 
> I'm still trying to understand how I did it, all I know is that I was
> installing few things like RtAudio, some Octave packages and Unity, so
> I'm sure I must have done something stupid there.
> 
> I re-ran Ubuntu Studio installer, but that didn't do anything.
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Mario

If you enable the Backports PPA from Ubuntu Studio Installer and install 
ubuntustudio-menu from there (or upgrade to the one in there), it should fix 
the issue for you. If you somehow edited the menu with menulibre or a similar 
tool, then it might override the menu defaults it makes.

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Stand Up kde-full is Ok now, returning again to X11 + C++11 and looking for Sound focus Kernel Improvements collaboration.

[Erich Eickmeyer]

On Saturday, October 1, 2022 2:44:35 AM PDT Juan DCG wrote:
> I would like promote some maybe simple or maybe complex.
> 
> So,
> 
> Over 2013 I was building piece by piece, big workstation in amd64/ATX,
> nowdays is working by default KDE new envirnonment GUI with recently
> Deprecated XCFE.
> 
> Only apt install kde-full && reboot to work in Ubunu 22.
> 
> Satisfy my self.
> 
> But I'm looking for help to work and job, focusing only on Sound/Audio, as
> Bela.io, for example, with other RT Kernel than default low latency maybe
> no tolarated in professional Sound Environments or acoustics applied data
> science environments able to look ahead bechmarking.
> 
> Are there anyone interesting and be able to help me together to reach this
> objetives?
> 
> Regards,
> -
> 
> JuanDCG314...

Hi Juan,

You're already off to a rough start. First of all, Xfce is not deprecated. It's 
merely not 
the default. One can still use Xfce by using Xubuntu and using Ubuntu Studio 
Installer. This is covered via a link on the very front page of the website and 
via a 
download page, but here's a link for your reference: https://ubuntustudio.org/
ubuntu-studio-installer[1]

Secondly, we never refer to an Ubuntu (or Studio or any other flavor) merely by 
the 
year (you referred to it as simply 22) as this is highly imprecise. Later this 
month, 
22.10 (2022.October) will be released. The version number always refers to the 
date 
it was released, not an arbitrary number. I assume you're referring to the 
version 
released in 2022.April, or 22.04 as it's officially known. Please be more 
precise and 
refer to it by the YY.MM (Year.Month), not simply the year, as this will get 
confusing 
very quickly with two "22"s in the same year. Here's more about the release 
cycle: 
https://ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle[2]

Secondly, RT kernels in desktop computers are a very bad idea for security and 
power usage reasons and should only be implemented in embedded systems. Read 
this to see a an explanation as to why, and why Ubuntu Studio does NOT condone 
nor support RT kernels: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/
RealTimeKernel[3]

That said, there is already a safe RT kernel in the works with the new 
implementations done in the most recent kernel technologies internally at 
Canonical. I have not kept up on those conversations (as stated before 
privately to 
you, I do not work for Canonical) but I do have my finger on the pulse that 
there 
have been things in the works. See 
https://canonical.com/blog/real-time-linux-qa[4] 
for more information.

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[1] https://ubuntustudio.org/ubuntu-studio-installer
[2] https://ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle
[3] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/RealTimeKernel
[4] https://canonical.com/blog/real-time-linux-qa


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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Icon Theme

[rsbrux]

Using Papirus (or Breeze Dark) instead of Ubuntu Studio Dark not only enables 
the "Configure Icon Sizes" slider in " System Settings/Appearance/Icons ", but 
also *is* in fact effective. I had just failed to understand the different 
categories of icons.
Krusader now allows selection of different icon sizes in the toolbar but 
doesn't use them.  The toolbar icon size is only affected by "System Settings".
1. If Ubuntu Studio Dark is based on Papirus, why doesn't it support "Configure 
icon sizes" (System Settings/Appearance/Icons)?
2. What is the difference between "toolbar" and "main toolbar"?
3. The icon size in the (default) "Icons-only Task Manager" doesn't respond to 
System Settings/Appearance/Icons, nor is there such an option in its 
"Configure" dialog.  How can I change its icon site?
4. Is there some way to change "Appearance" settings for the whole system, 
instead of changing them in each user profile?
Thanks for all your help!


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   1. Re:  Icon Theme (rsbrux)
   2. Re:  Icon Theme (Juan DCG)
   3. Re:  Icon Theme (Erich Eickmeyer)
   4. Re:  Icon Theme (Erich Eickmeyer)


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As an experiment I changed the icon theme in "System Settings" to Papirus and 
increased the icon size to 48px.  However, I see no change in the UI. Neither 
the icons in the "Icons only" task manager nor those in any application have 
changed, even after restarting the system. Toolbar icons in GnuCash and 
Krusader are mostly monochrome and faded to the point of suggesting that they 
are disabled, even though they are active.  The "Icon size" option in the 
context menu of Krusader's toolbar is als ineffective (see 
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=459753).  How can I get icons with decent 
contrast (preferably color) and size?

On 27.09.22 15:35, rsbrux wrote:
>
> I am using the default Ubuntu Studio Dark theme in 22.04.1 LTS but am 
> frustrated with it.  I find the contrast poor and the icon size too 
> small.  The “Configure Icon Size” slider in “System Settings” is 
> disabled, and the 22px icons are very difficult to make out, e.g. in 
> the Krusader toolbar. The mouseover text in “System Settings – Icons”
> says “Extra icons only Studio uses”.  Does this mean that this is not 
> a “full icon theme”? I am afraid to change to a different icon theme 
> which might be lacking icons peculiar to Ubuntu Studio. What can I do?
>
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My best user experience with ubuntu studio along years have been customizing 
XCFE GUI environment.

El mar, 27 sept 2022 a las 19:54, rsbrux () escribió:

> I am using the default Ubuntu Studio Dark theme in 22.04.1 LTS but am 
> frustrated with it.  I find the contrast poor and the icon size too small.
> The “Configure Icon Size” slider in “System Settings” is disabled, and 
> the 22px icons are very difficult to make out, e.g. in the Krusader toolbar.
> The mouseover text in “System Settings – Icons” says “Extra icons only 
> Studio uses”.  Does this mean that this is not a “full icon theme”? I 
> am afraid to change to a different icon theme which might be lacking 
> icons peculiar to Ubuntu Studio.  What can I do?
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[ubuntu-studio-users] Re-install categories in Whisker menu

[mario buoninfante]

Hi,


I'm running Xubuntu 22.04.1 LTS with UbuntuStudio installed using Ubuntu 
Studio Installer.


I was wondering if there is a way to "re-install" the categories in the 
Whisker menu (ie Audio Production, Video Production, etc.), since I seem 
to have accidentally removed them, together with few apps (QJack, Studio 
Controls, etc.), that I managed to bring back.


I'm still trying to understand how I did it, all I know is that I was 
installing few things like RtAudio, some Octave packages and Unity, so 
I'm sure I must have done something stupid there.


I re-ran Ubuntu Studio installer, but that didn't do anything.


Cheers,
Mario


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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Icon Theme

[Erich Eickmeyer]

On Wednesday, September 28, 2022 7:38:49 AM PDT Juan DCG wrote:
> My best user experience with ubuntu studio along years have been
> customizing XCFE GUI environment.
> 
> El mar, 27 sept 2022 a las 19:54, rsbrux () escribió:
> > I am using the default Ubuntu Studio Dark theme in 22.04.1 LTS but am
> > frustrated with it.  I find the contrast poor and the icon size too small.
> > The “Configure Icon Size” slider in “System Settings” is disabled, and the
> > 22px icons are very difficult to make out, e.g. in the Krusader toolbar.
> > The mouseover text in “System Settings – Icons” says “Extra icons only
> > Studio uses”.  Does this mean that this is not a “full icon theme”? I am
> > afraid to change to a different icon theme which might be lacking icons
> > peculiar to Ubuntu Studio.  What can I do?
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XFCE was discontinued as the default desktop environment for Ubuntu Studio 
following the release of 20.04. If you are still on 20.04 and haven't upgraded 
yet, I would encourage you to do so as you have just over 6 months of support 
left.

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Icon Theme

[Erich Eickmeyer]

On Tuesday, September 27, 2022 6:35:52 AM PDT rsbrux wrote:
> I am using the default Ubuntu Studio Dark theme in 22.04.1 LTS but am
> frustrated with it.  I find the contrast poor and the icon size too small. 
> The “Configure Icon Size” slider in “System Settings” is disabled, and the
> 22px icons are very difficult to make out, e.g. in the Krusader toolbar.
> The mouseover text in “System Settings – Icons” says “Extra icons only
> Studio uses”.  Does this mean that this is not a “full icon theme”? I am
> afraid to change to a different icon theme which might be lacking icons
> peculiar to Ubuntu Studio.  What can I do?

To be honest, the Ubuntu Studio icon theme merely sets the distributor-logo 
icon as the Ubuntu Studio logo and inherits the Papirus icons. If you don't 
prefer this, just go to System Settings -> Appearance, -> Icons and select a 
different theme. If there's nothing there you like, click on "Get New Icons" 
where you can download hundreds more icons themes. You can also browse these 
at https://store.kde.org, though installation from there is quite a bit more 
complex.

You are never obligated to stay with the default Ubuntu Studio theme, it's 
just a starter. Whatever you choose to do is completely up to you. This is one 
of the reasons why KDE Plasma was chosen as the default desktop environment. 
We saw that our users wanted to make a desktop that suited them, and this 
desktop provides the most flexibility in that area.

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Icon Theme

[Juan DCG]

My best user experience with ubuntu studio along years have been
customizing XCFE GUI environment.

El mar, 27 sept 2022 a las 19:54, rsbrux () escribió:

> I am using the default Ubuntu Studio Dark theme in 22.04.1 LTS but am
> frustrated with it.  I find the contrast poor and the icon size too small.
> The “Configure Icon Size” slider in “System Settings” is disabled, and the
> 22px icons are very difficult to make out, e.g. in the Krusader toolbar.
> The mouseover text in “System Settings – Icons” says “Extra icons only
> Studio uses”.  Does this mean that this is not a “full icon theme”? I am
> afraid to change to a different icon theme which might be lacking icons
> peculiar to Ubuntu Studio.  What can I do?
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Icon Theme

[rsbrux]

As an experiment I changed the icon theme in "System Settings" to 
Papirus and increased the icon size to 48px.  However, I see no change 
in the UI. Neither the icons in the "Icons only" task manager nor those 
in any application have changed, even after restarting the system.  
Toolbar icons in GnuCash and Krusader are mostly monochrome and faded to 
the point of suggesting that they are disabled, even though they are 
active.  The "Icon size" option in the context menu of Krusader's 
toolbar is als ineffective (see 
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=459753).  How can I get icons with 
decent contrast (preferably color) and size?


On 27.09.22 15:35, rsbrux wrote:


I am using the default Ubuntu Studio Dark theme in 22.04.1 LTS but am 
frustrated with it.  I find the contrast poor and the icon size too 
small.  The “Configure Icon Size” slider in “System Settings” is 
disabled, and the 22px icons are very difficult to make out, e.g. in 
the Krusader toolbar. The mouseover text in “System Settings – Icons” 
says “Extra icons only Studio uses”.  Does this mean that this is not 
a “full icon theme”? I am afraid to change to a different icon theme 
which might be lacking icons peculiar to Ubuntu Studio. What can I do?
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Ver 22.04 Desktop (KDE) does not seem to allow for images spanning multiple screens

[sciguy]

Hi Dave

Yes, I noticed that you can load individual images on each monitor, but 
I didn't want that. With wide graphics made for multiple monitors 
already on my hard drive, that is still a big let-down. KDE was not the 
desktop supported by the last LTS of ubuntu studio, since it worked 
before my upgrade. If I recall I was using xfce, which had the support. 
Both monitors are identical LG monitors; both identified as model 
16843009 by the KDE display configuration settings.


On another mailing list, someone suggested this 3rd party executable, 
which is not the most perfect solution, but it does the job:

https://github.com/hhannine/superpaper

For Ubuntu, a superpaper binary which they called an "AppImage" format 
was on offer, and I downloaded it. It is a zero-installation solution, 
allowing me to chmod and execute the binary in-place and try it out.


The GUI responded in a funny way to me: things which acted like buttons 
didn't look like buttons (in fact checkbox and textbox widgets appeared 
missing, but would do the expected thing if you clicked), but I 
eventually figured things out, and it is doing its job. But once you 
close the GUI, the program stays in memory on the command line. And it 
is there I found a flurry of warnings from GLib and GTK. Pressing 
Control+C to return to the command line resulted in the image still 
residing in memory.


Obviously, I will need to view the docs in more detail.

I suppose if I want things like the GUI to work properly, I should 
download the source code, which is on offer where I downloaded the 
AppImage.


Paul King

On 2022-08-21 7:37, Dave wrote:

In KDE (and for a long time now), you can choose a different desktop
background for each screen.

Anyway, are all your screens exactly the same resolution?

With all best wishes,
Dave

On Sat, Aug 20, 2022 at 5:06 PM Joseph Ronne 
wrote:


The problem may be the type of monitors in relation to how the
system sees them. 'smart' monitors are the worse for this.

On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 4:24 PM sciguy  wrote:


Hi

Unless I am missing something major, I don't see a way that Ubuntu

Studio allows for expansion of a desktop graphic across two
screens.
Graphic dimensions I have in mind are something like: 3840 x 1080.
When
I load the graphic for the desktop in the settings, I just get the

graphic on one screen o

For the record I am using Ubuntu Studio 22.04 with a KDE desktop.

If anyone can be of help I would appreciate it.

Paul

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Ver 22.04 Desktop (KDE) does not seem to allow for images spanning multiple screens

[Dave]

In KDE (and for a long time now), you can choose a different desktop
background for each screen.

Anyway, are all your screens exactly the same resolution?

With all best wishes,
Dave


On Sat, Aug 20, 2022 at 5:06 PM Joseph Ronne  wrote:

> The problem may be the type of monitors in relation to how the system sees
> them. 'smart' monitors are the worse for this.
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 4:24 PM sciguy  wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> Unless I am missing something major, I don't see a way that Ubuntu
>> Studio allows for expansion of a desktop graphic across two screens.
>> Graphic dimensions I have in mind are something like: 3840 x 1080. When
>> I load the graphic for the desktop in the settings, I just get the
>> graphic on one screen o
>>
>> For the record I am using Ubuntu Studio 22.04 with a KDE desktop.
>>
>> If anyone can be of help I would appreciate it.
>>
>> Paul
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Ver 22.04 Desktop (KDE) does not seem to allow for images spanning multiple screens

[Joseph Ronne]

The problem may be the type of monitors in relation to how the system sees
them. 'smart' monitors are the worse for this.


On Wed, Aug 17, 2022 at 4:24 PM sciguy  wrote:

> Hi
>
> Unless I am missing something major, I don't see a way that Ubuntu
> Studio allows for expansion of a desktop graphic across two screens.
> Graphic dimensions I have in mind are something like: 3840 x 1080. When
> I load the graphic for the desktop in the settings, I just get the
> graphic on one screen o
>
> For the record I am using Ubuntu Studio 22.04 with a KDE desktop.
>
> If anyone can be of help I would appreciate it.
>
> Paul
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] (A) Add graphics/scan packages: Scantailor; Tesseract; DjVu Libre; pdftk, (B) LibreOffice Calc, and (C) mail-list archives search

[RW Jones]

Thanks for that.

Regarding Scantailor Advanced, I will likely explore the link you provided 
as I'm most familiar with that fork/version of ST, but for completeness I 
mention the following different version which I just discovered 
accidentally:


Scantailor Universal (self-desribes as "a fork based on 
Enhanced+Featured+Master versions of ST").



https://github.com/trufanov-nok/scantailor-universal/releases

<<<
Ubuntu-compatible OS (18.04+) users may get scantailor-universal package 
and its updates automatically by subscribing to this ppa:


sudo add-apt-repository ppa:truf/scantailor-universal
sudo apt-get update
sudo apt install scantailor-universal

The attached deb files are for Ubuntu 18.04 (build without exiv2 support) 
and 19.04+ (ICC profile propagation enabled)




I can't see any MS Windows binaries to try so if ST Advanced can't be 
added to repository in due course I may try ST Universal instead if it's 
stil there and compatible with current Ubuntu LTS, though its components 
appear to antedate ST Advanced which itself was a major work of 
improvement.


Regards,


Robert Jones


On Sun, 26 Jun 2022, Erich Eickmeyer wrote:


Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2022 16:09:25 -0700
From: Erich Eickmeyer 
Reply-To: Ubuntu Studio Users 
To: ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] (A) Add graphics/scan packages: Scantailor;
 Tesseract; DjVu Libre; pdftk, (B) LibreOffice Calc,
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] (A) Add graphics/scan packages: Scantailor; Tesseract; DjVu Libre; pdftk, (B) LibreOffice Calc, and (C) mail-list archives search

[Erich Eickmeyer]

Hello Robert,

On Sunday, June 26, 2022 3:27:33 PM PDT RW Jones wrote:
> Keywords: graphics; document scanning; Scantailor Advanced; Tesseract-ocr;
> DjVuLibre; pdftk; LibreOffice Calc; default packages; mail-list search

Completely unnecessary in a mailing list, for future reference. :)

> 
> I'm now subscribed to the list and was briefly surveying Ubuntu Studio as
> a possible Linux flavour for a dual-boot with Windows 7 and/or 10 laptops.
> 
> Main interest graphics: scanning / post-scan processing.
> 
> 
> (A) Base package additions?
> Just wondered if there is any appetite for adding to the basic Ubuntu Studio
> main distribution or Ubuntu Studio Installer for use with eg Xubuntu the
> following scan post-processing tools (e.g. optical character recognition;
> cleaning up scanned images; DjVu and pdftk tools) which I've used for some
> years under MS Windows - Studio's standard complement has much on
> audio/video but less coverage on scanning:
>
> i) Scantailor Advanced (a current version that merges the features of the
> ScanTailor Featured and ScanTailor Enhanced versions, the latter two being
> it seems no longer developed):
> https://github.com/4lex4/scantailor-advanced/

There's something you need to know: Ubuntu Studio is not its own distribution, 
but 
is an offically-recognized alternate configuration of Ubuntu. Therefore, 
everything 
we do revolves around Ubuntu and Debian packaging and packaging procedures.

If something is no longer being developed, it's very unlikely you'll find 
anyone to 
package it. As for what is being developed, right now I'm not sure I'm in a 
spot to 
take-on any additional package maintenance myself, but there are definitely 
ways 
to get things packaged and sponsored.

For further info, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages[1]

> ii) tesseract-ocr for document optical character recognition and pdf
> assembly etc; see e.g.:
> https://github.com/tesseract-ocr/tessdoc

This is already in the repositories and is utilized by a lot of software: 
https://
launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tesseract[2]

> iii) DjVuLibre suite preferably including DjView v.4.10.4 as it can export
> from DjVu to pdf rather than just to postscript:
> http://djvu.sourceforge.net/

Oh yes, it's definitely a thing in the software repos: 
https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/
+source/djvulibre[3]

> iv) pdftk for operations on pdf including fixing bookmarks etc:
> https://www.pdflabs.com/tools/pdftk-server/

Yes, that one is also there: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pdftk[4]

> Obviously I imagine I could in due course explore adding these myself to an
> installation if I proceeded but just wanted minimise the learning curve and
> thought of asking here in case others might find it useful to have one or
> more of these added to the default package list.
> 
> 
> (B) LibreOffice Calc and Database:
> I note a commenter stating at
> https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=ubuntustudio
> 
> "Would have given a 10 But they did not include Libreoffice Calc and
> Database? Why Not ??? I use them often."
> 
> I personally concur at least as regards OpenOffice Calc being included in
> (restored to?) the default package list.

We removed Calc them from Ubuntu Studio's ISO (but not Ubuntu as a whole) to 
save space on the ISO image because the ISO image was failing to build before I 
got 
the entirety of Ubuntu to start using ISO level 3 which allows for ISO images 
larger 
than 4 GB . It has been added back to Kinetic Kudu, future 22.10.  A slight 
oversight, 
but it's easily reinstalled. We have never carried Base in the default 
installation (at 
least not during my tenure) as it did not fit with the Audio/Video/Photography/
Graphics paradigm. Of course, these components are still in the software 
repositories and are trivial to install.

> 
> (C) Ubuntu Studio mail archive - search function?
> 
> I can't see a search function for Ubuntu Studio, so apologies if this has
> been discussed before but was not found by me:
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-users/
> 
> Is a seach function somewhere else? Looked but cannot find.
> 
> Debian users mail list has a support function; one example:
> https://lists.debian.org/cgi-bin/search?P=scantailor&DEFAULTOP=or&B=Gdebian-> 
> user&SORT=&HITSPERPAGE=10
> 

Again, this is a situation where we, as an official flavor, we are given 
infrastructure 
by Canonical, but have no say in what systems are in place.

Thanks for the questions, and I hope I've covered everything.

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] troubles installing 22.04

[Blaine Jones]

On Mon, May 9, 2022 at 3:54 PM Erich Eickmeyer 
wrote:

> Hi Glenn,
>
> Sorry I couldn't link to the release notes as I was on mobile at the time
> (even though it's linked on the front page of https://ubuntustudio.org
> and
> shouldn't have required googling, it's not like we hide it).
>
> It's all related. Using btrfs for an installation for Ubuntu Studio or
> Lubuntu
> renders it unable to boot per the bug report.
>
> Thanks,
> Erich
>
> On Monday, May 9, 2022 12:49:00 PM PDT Glenn Holmer wrote:
> > On 5/8/22 16:42, Erich Eickmeyer wrote:
> > > This is covered in the release notes, but there is a known bug with new
> > > installations on btrfs currently.
> >
> > Well, a couple of minutes of googling solved that for me. Unfortunate,
> > but not the end of the world.
> >
> > What's stumping me though, is my inability to boot the installer on my
> > laptop (see below). Anybody have any ideas on that?
> >
> > > I've had issues installing this release. First of all, on two desktop
> > > machines, the system wouldn't boot after install (root on btrfs). I had
> > > to change "space_cache" in /etc/fstab to "space_cache=v2"; then
> > > everything was fine.
> > >
> > > On my laptop, the ISO won't start. I get the GRUB menu, but when I
> > > select either install or safe graphics, the screen just goes black and
> > > the machine becomes unresponsive (it is set up to boot from UEFI). Any
> > > ideas here on what I could check?
> >
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] troubles installing 22.04

[Mac]

Just another data point. Not btrfs in this case.

I did a uefi install,  both "take the default" and partitioned by hand on a
new ssd. The usb stick boots fine, install proceeds withoutn issue.

The ssd wouldn't boot.

Attempted three times with same result. The file structure on the ssd looks
normal. (with a fat32 as the first partition, then ext4, then swap, then
ext4) So, I'm still searching for the secret sauce.

This is a System76 laptop that has always been an issue installing uefi
OS's. Except Manjaro, which just works.

On Mon, May 9, 2022, 6:32 PM Glenn Holmer  wrote:

> On 5/9/22 14:56, Erich Eickmeyer wrote:
> > On Monday, May 9, 2022 12:49:00 PM PDT Glenn Holmer wrote:
> >>> On my laptop, the ISO won't start. I get the GRUB menu, but when I
> >>> select either install or safe graphics, the screen just goes black and
> >>> the machine becomes unresponsive (it is set up to boot from UEFI). Any
> >>> ideas here on what I could check?
> >
> > Make sure you've downloaded the ISO and verified the SHA256sum via the
> > instructions on the website. Beyond that, I don't know what to tell you
> > besides you might have an incompatible system. Not every system is
> compatible
> > with the Linux kernel or guaranteed compatible, unfortunately.
>
> Downloaded again, checked everything, used a different stick, and now
> the installer started. Both desktop machines and the laptop are happily
> running Studio with btrfs on root.
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] troubles installing 22.04

[Erich Eickmeyer]

On Monday, May 9, 2022 12:49:00 PM PDT Glenn Holmer wrote:
> > On my laptop, the ISO won't start. I get the GRUB menu, but when I
> > select either install or safe graphics, the screen just goes black and
> > the machine becomes unresponsive (it is set up to boot from UEFI). Any
> > ideas here on what I could check?

Sorry, Glenn, I didn't see this part.

Make sure you've downloaded the ISO and verified the SHA256sum via the 
instructions on the website. Beyond that, I don't know what to tell you 
besides you might have an incompatible system. Not every system is compatible 
with the Linux kernel or guaranteed compatible, unfortunately.

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] troubles installing 22.04

[Erich Eickmeyer]

Hi Glenn,

Sorry I couldn't link to the release notes as I was on mobile at the time 
(even though it's linked on the front page of https://ubuntustudio.org and 
shouldn't have required googling, it's not like we hide it).

It's all related. Using btrfs for an installation for Ubuntu Studio or Lubuntu 
renders it unable to boot per the bug report.

Thanks,
Erich

On Monday, May 9, 2022 12:49:00 PM PDT Glenn Holmer wrote:
> On 5/8/22 16:42, Erich Eickmeyer wrote:
> > This is covered in the release notes, but there is a known bug with new
> > installations on btrfs currently.
> 
> Well, a couple of minutes of googling solved that for me. Unfortunate,
> but not the end of the world.
> 
> What's stumping me though, is my inability to boot the installer on my
> laptop (see below). Anybody have any ideas on that?
> 
> > I've had issues installing this release. First of all, on two desktop
> > machines, the system wouldn't boot after install (root on btrfs). I had
> > to change "space_cache" in /etc/fstab to "space_cache=v2"; then
> > everything was fine.
> > 
> > On my laptop, the ISO won't start. I get the GRUB menu, but when I
> > select either install or safe graphics, the screen just goes black and
> > the machine becomes unresponsive (it is set up to boot from UEFI). Any
> > ideas here on what I could check?
> 
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] troubles installing 22.04

[Erich Eickmeyer]

Hi Glenn,

This is covered in the release notes, but there is a known bug with new 
installations on btrfs currently.

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From: ubuntu-studio-users  on 
behalf of Glenn Holmer 
Sent: Sunday, May 8, 2022 2:13:49 PM
To: Ubuntu Studio Users 
Subject: [ubuntu-studio-users] troubles installing 22.04

I've had issues installing this release. First of all, on two desktop
machines, the system wouldn't boot after install (root on btrfs). I had
to change "space_cache" in /etc/fstab to "space_cache=v2"; then
everything was fine.

On my laptop, the ISO won't start. I get the GRUB menu, but when I
select either install or safe graphics, the screen just goes black and
the machine becomes unresponsive (it is set up to boot from UEFI). Any
ideas here on what I could check?

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Strangeness in xfce4

[jon]

It Could Be A Long Shot?
But I Would Set The Settings
As Your Wanting?

And Then Once Your 100%
Everything Is Set The Way
You Like And Is Working?

Turn Off The Machine.
And Turn It Back On.

I Would Try This A Few Times
Myself, And Have Had to Do
This A Few Times From Time To Time.

On 1/8/22 7:05 PM, sciguy wrote:
I am using xfce4 as my default window system, and there are two 
annoyances I wished I knew how to un-set:


1. I use the workspace switcher, and I always seem to start on the 
third desktop. How do I get it to start on the first one?


2. I have a desktop graphic which spans 2 screens. Sometimes the 
desktop manager gets confused at startup and gives me one graphic for 
each desktop. I know about the Desktop Settings menu, but those 
settings appear to be fogotten by the next reboot. Is there a way to 
get the change to persist?


Thanks

Paul



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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] ubuntu-studio-users Digest, Vol 170, Issue 3

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  1. Re:  Studio controls and usb device (Mac)
  2. Re:  Studio controls and usb device (Erich Eickmeyer)
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Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2021 10:53:23 -0400
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Just curious, did my earlier post go to bit valhalla?

Actually, I don't think I've seen any posts from this list in a while...

On Sun, Aug 15, 2021 at 11:10 AM Mac  wrote:

> I'm working with a fresh install of Ubuntu Studio 21.04.
>
> I can use Studio Controls to get my A&H USB mixer I/O to show
> sources/sinks in Carla, but only after selecting it in Extra devices and
> Apply settings.
>
> It doesn't appear when plugged in.
>
> And the device does not show at all if it is set to USB master.
>
> Though, when it is unplugged, it is listed as unplugged. If it is then
> plugged in it show as being plugged in but does not get any source/sink
> added.
>
> It does appear to work fine when it is there, it just isn't there without
> manual intervention.
>
> Am I doing something wrong? Or am I missing something?
>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2021 08:30:47 -0700
From: Erich Eickmeyer 
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Hi Mac,

On Friday, August 20, 2021 7:53:23 AM PDT Mac wrote:
> Just curious, did my earlier post go to bit valhalla?
> 
> Actually, I don't think I've seen any posts from this list in a while...
> 

90% of the time if you don't receive a response, it's because nobody else has 
experienced the issue and/or knows how to fix it.  I'm sorry this is the case, 
but it just might be reality.

This can happen if you have a setup that nobody else has or can replicate. I 
have experience with Allen & Heath mixers (I'm guessing that's what you mean 
by A&H, please be a bit more explicit/less ambiguous in the future), but not 
while connected to an Ubuntu Studio machine as it was prior to my involvement 
here.

There are a lot of things to unravel with your post, and I suggest rather than 
waiting around for someone to answer with your problem solved, that you just 
play around and experiment. If you need to completely reset Studio Controls, 
just delete the ~/.config/autojack folder.

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Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2021 11:50:59 -0400
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Thanks! Yes, it is an Allen&Heath.

The query was more if there were any ideas if there was some new behavior
or setting in Studio Controls.

This mixer worked by just plugging in the USB in previous revs of
UbuntuStudio and Studio Controls. Though this is a different PC.

I had tinkered with it for some time before posting, that's how I
determined it only wo

Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Studio controls and usb device

[Mac]

Thanks! Yes, it is an Allen&Heath.

The query was more if there were any ideas if there was some new behavior
or setting in Studio Controls.

This mixer worked by just plugging in the USB in previous revs of
UbuntuStudio and Studio Controls. Though this is a different PC.

I had tinkered with it for some time before posting, that's how I
determined it only worked with specific steps.

No matter, it is an additional step or two to get working, but, that is not
a show stopper.







On Fri, Aug 20, 2021 at 11:40 AM Erich Eickmeyer 
wrote:

> Hi Mac,
>
> On Friday, August 20, 2021 7:53:23 AM PDT Mac wrote:
> > Just curious, did my earlier post go to bit valhalla?
> >
> > Actually, I don't think I've seen any posts from this list in a while...
> >
>
> 90% of the time if you don't receive a response, it's because nobody else
> has
> experienced the issue and/or knows how to fix it.  I'm sorry this is the
> case,
> but it just might be reality.
>
> This can happen if you have a setup that nobody else has or can replicate.
> I
> have experience with Allen & Heath mixers (I'm guessing that's what you
> mean
> by A&H, please be a bit more explicit/less ambiguous in the future), but
> not
> while connected to an Ubuntu Studio machine as it was prior to my
> involvement
> here.
>
> There are a lot of things to unravel with your post, and I suggest rather
> than
> waiting around for someone to answer with your problem solved, that you
> just
> play around and experiment. If you need to completely reset Studio
> Controls,
> just delete the ~/.config/autojack folder.
>
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Studio controls and usb device

[Erich Eickmeyer]

Hi Mac,

On Friday, August 20, 2021 7:53:23 AM PDT Mac wrote:
> Just curious, did my earlier post go to bit valhalla?
> 
> Actually, I don't think I've seen any posts from this list in a while...
> 

90% of the time if you don't receive a response, it's because nobody else has 
experienced the issue and/or knows how to fix it.  I'm sorry this is the case, 
but it just might be reality.

This can happen if you have a setup that nobody else has or can replicate. I 
have experience with Allen & Heath mixers (I'm guessing that's what you mean 
by A&H, please be a bit more explicit/less ambiguous in the future), but not 
while connected to an Ubuntu Studio machine as it was prior to my involvement 
here.

There are a lot of things to unravel with your post, and I suggest rather than 
waiting around for someone to answer with your problem solved, that you just 
play around and experiment. If you need to completely reset Studio Controls, 
just delete the ~/.config/autojack folder.

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Studio controls and usb device

[Mac]

Just curious, did my earlier post go to bit valhalla?

Actually, I don't think I've seen any posts from this list in a while...

On Sun, Aug 15, 2021 at 11:10 AM Mac  wrote:

> I'm working with a fresh install of Ubuntu Studio 21.04.
>
> I can use Studio Controls to get my A&H USB mixer I/O to show
> sources/sinks in Carla, but only after selecting it in Extra devices and
> Apply settings.
>
> It doesn't appear when plugged in.
>
> And the device does not show at all if it is set to USB master.
>
> Though, when it is unplugged, it is listed as unplugged. If it is then
> plugged in it show as being plugged in but does not get any source/sink
> added.
>
> It does appear to work fine when it is there, it just isn't there without
> manual intervention.
>
> Am I doing something wrong? Or am I missing something?
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Studio controls version

[Alf Haakon Pietruszka Lund]

Hi Erich!

On 10.06.2021 17:03, Erich Eickmeyer wrote:


Studio Controls 2.1.64 is not meant to be released to the public as it's very
much a rough, pre-release beta. That said, a mistake happened recently and
this was the only way to correct it.

Basically, I had accidentally uploaded 2.1.64-beta to the Backports PPA (for
Groovy). When I had discovered the error, I aborted the build, but the damage
was already done and it was reporting that version as available for Focal as
well. So, the only way to fix this was to create a package versioned as 2.1.64-
really2.1.4 to trick the system into downgrading the package.

Trust me, you do NOT want to be running 2.1.64 (future 2.2) at this point. It
has a lot of issues and is causing problems even for myself. But if you REALLY
want it, you can go to https://launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev and look for
the Studio Controls Staging PPA. There you will find it, but be warned: it's
not at all ready for production, and you WILL find bugs.


Thank you for explaining! I'll trust you and wait for 2.2.

Best regards,
Alf

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Studio controls version

[Erich Eickmeyer]

Hi Alf,

On Thursday, June 10, 2021 1:55:05 AM PDT Alf Haakon Pietruszka Lund wrote:
> Hello list!
> 
> I'm on (K)Ubuntu Studio 20.04 and have added the backports repo with
> 'sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ubuntustudio-ppa/backports'
> 
> I'd expect to have the latest version of Studio controls on my system
> and I am sure that some time ago I did, when the program layout had the
> Start / stop Jack, audio settings, etc buttons collected on the right
> side of the window. It am also sure it was showing version 2.1.64 in the
> heading.
> 
> Today it shows version 2.1.4 in the heading, and those buttons for
> starting / stopping Jack etc are on the bottom of the window.
> 
> 'apt show studio-controls' gives
> 'Version: 2.1.64-really2.1.4-0ubuntu20.04.2'
> 
> which I find even more confusing since it looks like I do have the
> latest version,  but in old clothing so to speak.
> 
> Can somebody explain?
> 
> Best regards,
> Alf

Studio Controls 2.1.64 is not meant to be released to the public as it's very 
much a rough, pre-release beta. That said, a mistake happened recently and 
this was the only way to correct it.

Basically, I had accidentally uploaded 2.1.64-beta to the Backports PPA (for 
Groovy). When I had discovered the error, I aborted the build, but the damage 
was already done and it was reporting that version as available for Focal as 
well. So, the only way to fix this was to create a package versioned as 2.1.64-
really2.1.4 to trick the system into downgrading the package.

Trust me, you do NOT want to be running 2.1.64 (future 2.2) at this point. It 
has a lot of issues and is causing problems even for myself. But if you REALLY 
want it, you can go to https://launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-dev and look for 
the Studio Controls Staging PPA. There you will find it, but be warned: it's 
not at all ready for production, and you WILL find bugs.

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] A view on new Ubuntu studio 21.04

[Erich Eickmeyer]

Hello Auro,

On Friday, June 4, 2021 5:45:17 PM PDT AURO KUMAR SAHOO wrote:
> Sir
> I am really thankful to Ubuntu studio team and congratulations for bringing
> this awesome distribution. The recent 21.04 with kde is much better and
> usable too.
> 
> One thing I miss from old 18.04 is that there I have options to select
> packages that I need and unselect that doesn't needed.
> 
> I am more to design and graphic and a little video editing, so earlier I
> use the photography, graphics and video package selection and only audacity
> in Audio.
> Now though kde plasma desktop is more good and usable but I am installing
> with many audio system I don't require.

Unfortunately, that module was causing a gigantic amount of problems and had 
to be removed[1]. I've been in talks with the team making the new Ubuntu 
installer to see if we can get something like this back in the future, but I 
wouldn't put my hopes into it.

Another option we have might be to create a minimal install option and use 
Ubuntu Studio Installer[2] to install the needed metapackages for whatever you 
need. A way that this can be achieved today is by using Kubuntu's installer 
and then installing ubuntustudio-default-settings and ubuntustudio-installer 
to get the exact same thing as a minimal install, albiet with some minimal 
audio packages installed, but not the full suite.

> I am looking forward to next LTS release and hopefully you may add that
> package selection in install module.
> 
> Lastly the animated rotating studio logo was refreshing than a static one,
> I may request if possible please provide the same when screen goes blank
> during booting so the charm of the Ubuntu studio rotating logo keep my eyes
> relaxing looking at them.

We removed the rotating logo for design reasons in order to be more consistent 
with overall Ubuntu branding This project is not separate from the main Ubuntu 
project, just like all official flavors[3]. That same animation had been in 
since 
2012 and it was time to go. It was removed in 18.10, so nearly 3 years ago.

The boot screen does have an animated component in which there is a swirling 
circle above the Ubuntu Studio logo, which should all be underneath your 
computer manufacturer's logo if on a UEFI boot system (if on BIOS, it would 
just be the animation and logo at the bottom). If it's not animating, it's 
probably because your system is booting into the login screen faster than it 
can load the animation (this is a reason many distributions have removed the 
Plymouth boot animation altogether).

So, I'm sorry to say that your requests aren't possible at this time, due to 
the known bug and for branding consistency across all Ubuntu flavors. I do 
appreciate you mailing the list, and I hope this answers these questions for 
everyone who asks in the future.

[1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntustudio-meta/+bug/1851346
(bug is marked as Fix Released only due to the removal of the module)
[2] https://ubuntustudio.org/ubuntu-studio-installer
[3] https://ubuntu.com/download/flavours

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] How to upgrade to UBS 21.10

[Viktor Mastoridis]

> Upgrading from 20.10 to 21.04 is disabled for now due to an outstanding
> bug.
> [1]. While it was fixed, there are two other blocking issues in the bug
> report.
> Please see the release notes for known issues like this in the future.
>
> [1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shim/+bug/1925010
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Thank you Erich, and apologies.
I was in a middle of a deadline project that started crashing (my other
email about Reaper).
and in a hurry I attempted to unsucessfully update.

I go to the annoucements as my first stop always, so sorry one more time
for not thinking straight.
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Reaper started crashing

[Viktor Mastoridis]

>
> > I am using Reaper on Ubuntu Studio 20.10.
> >
> > Suddenly (after a regular update), Reaper with not play any videos.
> > It plays the audio from the video fine. But as soon as I open the Video
> > player, the app crashes.
>

Just for the record, if someone else gets the same issue - it's solved.
It was VLC (Reaper uses its libraries).
Removed VLC - it all started to work fine.
Installed VLC - crashes again.
Finally, in Reaper > Options > Preferences > Video/Import/Misc - changed
the Video decoder priority to 'ffmpeg vlc'.
Now the video window seems to have a bit less quality, but the quality of
the exports is unaffected.
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] How to upgrade to UBS 21.10

[Erich Eickmeyer]

Hi Viktor,

On Friday, May 28, 2021 1:16:54 PM PDT Viktor Mastoridis wrote:
> Hello again,
> 
> I am trying to upgrade UBS 20.10 to 21.04 - is this possible?
> Tried the regular software updater, it doesn't find new versions.
> Tried sudo apt dist-upgrade - no luck either.
> 
> I must be doing something wrong!
> 
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Upgrading from 20.10 to 21.04 is disabled for now due to an outstanding bug.
[1]. While it was fixed, there are two other blocking issues in the bug report. 
Please see the release notes for known issues like this in the future.

[1] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/shim/+bug/1925010
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Reaper started crashing

[Viktor Mastoridis]

Thank you.
I thought so, but had to ask just in case .

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Reaper started crashing
From: Erich Eickmeyer 
To: 
Friday, 28 May 2021 at 17:15

Hi Viktor,

On Friday, May 28, 2021 7:34:29 AM PDT Viktor Mastoridis wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I am using Reaper on Ubuntu Studio 20.10.
>
> Suddenly (after a regular update), Reaper with not play any videos.
> It plays the audio from the video fine. But as soon as I open the Video
> player, the app crashes.
>
> I upgraded Reaper, but nothing changed.
> I opened it through the terminal, and it only says: segmentation fault.
>
> It looks as if something was broken after the update - but where to look
> for possible hints?
> ---
> Viktor.Mastoridis.co.uk <https://viktor.mastoridis.co.uk>

You need to contact the Reaper people. Reaper is not included in Ubuntu
Studio
nor provided in the repositories, so it is completely unsupported here.

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Reaper started crashing
From: Erich Eickmeyer 
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Friday, 28 May 2021 at 17:15
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