Re: [ubuntu-uk] Slightly OT: GeForce 4 MX support fixed?

2008-11-02 Thread Stephen O'Neill
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On 02/11/08 21:33, Dianne Reuby wrote:
> Here's a thread in the Ubuntu forum on this problem, marked "solved" :)
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=960727


Otto42 is worth a read - though at least he did know when to stop
pressing his 'point'.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu 8.10

2008-11-02 Thread Tony Pursell
On 2 Nov 2008 at 19:53, John wrote:

> 
> I posted earlier this afternoon about a problem, but not sure if it got 
> to you, so I will post it again, hopefully it will. Its the first time 
> I've posted on here.
> 
> I tried to install 8.10 on my laptop but when the desktop tried to open, 
> it sticks, and it wont start. I wondered if it was a problem with my 
> laptop or if it was another problem. Can any body help please.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> John.
> 

What make/model is your laptop?  (These problems are often 
hardware related.) 

Is this the first time you have installed Ubuntu on it?  Or was it an 
upgrade? If not an upgrade, how did you install it?

If you do Ctrl-Alt-1, do you get a console?

It would be a good idea to post this (with the sort of details above) on  

https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu

Tony



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] video playback

2008-11-02 Thread Jason Liquorish
Farran Lee wrote:
> hi all
> just upgraded, now basic video formats like .avi won't play :( help 
> please :)
> thanks
>
> ===
> Farran Lee
> I'm only 16 :P
>
Hi Farran,

Installing the 'ubuntu-restricted-extras' package should fix video
playback problems for proprietary formats. If you also want to play
restricted formats like .wmv then you can enable the medibuntu
repository and install the 'w32codecs' package. Instructions to add the
medibuntu repository can be found at
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu#Adding%20the%20Repositories

Hope that helps you out.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Slightly OT: GeForce 4 MX support fixed?

2008-11-02 Thread Dianne Reuby
Here's a thread in the Ubuntu forum on this problem, marked "solved" :)
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=960727

Basically it's stay with 8.04 until the driver's released, upgrade to
8.10 and make do with the open source nv driver included, or try the
Nvidia beta which they released recently.

I'm not brave enough to try the beta ... who needs special effects
anyway? :)

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[ubuntu-uk] video playback

2008-11-02 Thread Farran Lee
hi all
just upgraded, now basic video formats like .avi won't play :( help
please :)
thanks

===
Farran Lee
I'm only 16 :P
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Slightly OT: GeForce 4 MX support fixed?

2008-11-02 Thread Dianne Reuby
Here's the thread from the Nvidia forums discussing the card:
http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=122305

I think Nvidia are saying that they're thinking about it!

I haven't tried any solutions myself yet, as everything works for me
except special effects and I don't do games etc. I don't know enough
about drivers in Linux to risk fiddling with what I've got. :)

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu 8.10

2008-11-02 Thread John
I posted earlier this afternoon about a problem, but not sure if it got 
to you, so I will post it again, hopefully it will. Its the first time 
I've posted on here.

I tried to install 8.10 on my laptop but when the desktop tried to open, 
it sticks, and it wont start. I wondered if it was a problem with my 
laptop or if it was another problem. Can any body help please.

Thank you.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu 8.10

2008-11-02 Thread Simos Xenitellis
On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 5:19 PM, norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> > One most peculiar fault which I have not been able to correct is with
>> > Evolution Mail. I cannot send or receive mail because the button to
>> > send/receive is greyed out. Any suggestions would be gratefully
>> > received. Otherwise, Ubuntu does it again.
>>
>> I did a search for 'evolution mail send receive greyed' and I got this
>> relevant result,
>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=793930
>
> Thank you very much. Why is it I always forget the fund of information
> available from Google?

In some cases it is an issue of picking the suitable keywords.

The above URL has the workaround. The canonical way to deal properly
with this is a bug report
at launchpad.net, with an issue 'Evolution Mail switches to Offline
mode after distro upgrade',
and then look for a bug report at the Evolution Mail bug management website, at
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/browse.cgi?product=evolution
Finally, link the bugzilla.gnome.org report to the Launchpad page.

Simos

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu 8.10

2008-11-02 Thread norman

> > One most peculiar fault which I have not been able to correct is with
> > Evolution Mail. I cannot send or receive mail because the button to
> > send/receive is greyed out. Any suggestions would be gratefully
> > received. Otherwise, Ubuntu does it again.
> 
> I did a search for 'evolution mail send receive greyed' and I got this
> relevant result,
> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=793930

Thank you very much. Why is it I always forget the fund of information
available from Google?

Norman


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu 8.10

2008-11-02 Thread Simos Xenitellis
On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 3:48 PM, norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Having read of some of the woes stemming from the upgrade I thought I
> had better take the plunge and see what happens. So, this morning I did
> the necessary to my laptop, and all went like a charm. I am now having a
> rest from trying out various applications that I would expect to use
> and, so far, most things work very well.
>
> One most peculiar fault which I have not been able to correct is with
> Evolution Mail. I cannot send or receive mail because the button to
> send/receive is greyed out. Any suggestions would be gratefully
> received. Otherwise, Ubuntu does it again.

I did a search for 'evolution mail send receive greyed' and I got this
relevant result,
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=793930

I hope it helps,
Simos

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[ubuntu-uk] ubuntu 8.10

2008-11-02 Thread norman
Having read of some of the woes stemming from the upgrade I thought I
had better take the plunge and see what happens. So, this morning I did
the necessary to my laptop, and all went like a charm. I am now having a
rest from trying out various applications that I would expect to use
and, so far, most things work very well.

One most peculiar fault which I have not been able to correct is with
Evolution Mail. I cannot send or receive mail because the button to
send/receive is greyed out. Any suggestions would be gratefully
received. Otherwise, Ubuntu does it again.

Norman


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] more issues with 8.10

2008-11-02 Thread Ken Robson
In reply to multiple posts...

1. I use the dvd drive allot, I view/burn many dvd's and if it is going 
to re-insert it on eject then not on.
2. I still have another 2 machines running with 8.04 (xbuntu) and 8.10 
(with some issues) but this is my main pc and the issues I have had 
since upgrading on Thursday/Friday mean that I need a more stable OS. So 
far today I have tried (via live cd's) another 7 distro's and at the 
moment I have installed a x86 version of Mint (another 'buntu off shoot) 
, one of the main reasons for dropping x64 version was when ever I 
wanted to install something not in the repo's I HAD to compile it and 
usually there were issues, at least with the x86 version I have a chance 
to find a .deb file, or the compilation will succeed. (I have no 
problems with compiling the s/w but when there is cast issues I don't 
have the patience to fix them anymore. When I started coding 30 years 
ago this wasn't a problem ;-) but I haven't really done any programming 
in the past 8 years.)
As a developer I believe that the beta testing is for getting rid of 
issues like this, One of the reasons I left M$ OS's behind was the 
issues in Vi$ta, after spending 10 years supporting M$ os's I had enough 
when I would switch on the pc and not have any networking... I then 
switched to Ubuntu and have mostly been pleased with it since then.
3. the screen saver issue, I don't know what is causing it, I have 
disabled the SS and so far it is behaving, the video card on that pc is 
the intel 915 onboard (so far my only pc running 8.10)

I may come back in a month or so and see if the issues have been fixed.
As to reading the release notes, who these days RTFM's?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] more issues with 8.10

2008-11-02 Thread Tony Pursell
Am I the only one who is quick enough to remove the CD befor the 
tray closes?  Or perhaps my DVD drive is a sjuggish mover!

My classification for this bug is 'irritating'.  The importance of fixing 
bugs like this quickly is to protect Ubuntu's reputation.

Tony


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] more issues with 8.10

2008-11-02 Thread Alan Pope
2008/11/2 Robert Leverington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Hello Alan,
>
> Alan Pope wrote:
>> I'm quite staggered that you think an entire OS release should be
>> delayed for this! I personally use my CDROM drive once in a blue moon.
>
> A lot of people still use optical media on a regular basis, for example
> I use it to make inexpensive off-site backups of my Ubuntu system and
> watch DVDs on my computer and laptop.
>

Which illustrates my point perfectly. Thank you. The fact that some
people use their optical drive whilst others rarely touches it shows
me that it's by no means a release critical bug. If it was a crucial
component like the CPU didnt work under Ubuntu then yes, I'd class
that as critical.

However the fact is that a) it's in the upgrade release notes, which
links to the bug, b) the bug not only describes a workaround but a
solution so c) there is a more effective solution that described in
the release notes. Take a moment to read the entire bug report and
comments and you will see that this is much less of an issue that
people are making out.

I'm not arguing that the CD isnt an essential item or that it doesnt
matter that it doesnt work, but the fact that it _does_ work, and it
_is_ possible to work around this issue.

Cheers,
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] more issues with 8.10

2008-11-02 Thread Robert Leverington
Hello Alan,

Alan Pope wrote:
> I'm quite staggered that you think an entire OS release should be
> delayed for this! I personally use my CDROM drive once in a blue moon.

A lot of people still use optical media on a regular basis, for example 
I use it to make inexpensive off-site backups of my Ubuntu system and 
watch DVDs on my computer and laptop.

The optical disc drive is also almost essential if you want to encourage 
widespread prorogation of Ubuntu as it also enables proprietary software 
manufacturers (such as game developers) to sell there products for the 
Linux platform in shops and reach a large audience - without the optical 
disc drive the only effective distribution medium for software companies 
is via the internet which does not yet reach a large enough proportion 
of average consumers to make it sufficiently profitable.

Yours,
Robert Leverington.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] more issues with 8.10

2008-11-02 Thread Ian Pascoe
Just to build upon Alan's note about adding yourself to an existing bug, in
a recent Ubuntu news the Launchpad guys had introduced a new "Me Too" tab to
enable developers to gauge the quantity of users affected, without having to
wade through lots of me too type notes.

Obviously  if you wish to add further detail to an existing bug, you would
still need to follow the normal process.

To be honest, I'm going to be sitting with the Heron for a little while yet
as from Mark Shuttleworth's original description of where he wanted Ubuntu
to go, lots of new things were going to be added to this release, especially
as it's also a catch up release after the LTS Heron, so I was kinda
expecting a number of naughty things happening from initial release!

Ian

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2008/11/2 David Futcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Actually, this bug is already well known by the developers and is
documented in the Intrepid Release Notes [1]. I have no idea why

Ah even better. The original poster can subscribe to that bug and thus
get notified of any workarounds (other than those already published).
Personally i can think of another way to get the CD out, but that
would require a reboot.

> the developers decided to go ahead with release with this fairly critical
bug (If you cant get a CD out of a drive, you aren't going
> to stick with an OS for long (this thread is a good example of that).
>

Well from reading the link you posted it _is_ possible to get the CD
out of the drive using the workaround published.

I'm quite staggered that you think an entire OS release should be
delayed for this! I personally use my CDROM drive once in a blue moon.

I know each person has their own experience/issues with the system and
has their own perception of the importance of those issues. But
really, this one can't possibly be classed as "critical" by any
sensible measure.

Cheers,
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] more issues with 8.10

2008-11-02 Thread John




Hi, I am having problems with the installation of 8.10 as well. I
installed it yesterday onto my laptop and as soon as the desktop
appears it crashes. I cant get it to work at all. 

Is this something to do with my laptop, if so, will it work on my
laptop, if not how do I revert back to 8.04?

Thank you for your help.

John

Alan Pope wrote:

  2008/11/2 David Futcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
  
  
Actually, this bug is already well known by the developers and is documented in the Intrepid Release Notes [1]. I have no idea why

  
  
Ah even better. The original poster can subscribe to that bug and thus
get notified of any workarounds (other than those already published).
Personally i can think of another way to get the CD out, but that
would require a reboot.

  
  
the developers decided to go ahead with release with this fairly critical bug (If you cant get a CD out of a drive, you aren't going
to stick with an OS for long (this thread is a good example of that).


  
  
Well from reading the link you posted it _is_ possible to get the CD
out of the drive using the workaround published.

I'm quite staggered that you think an entire OS release should be
delayed for this! I personally use my CDROM drive once in a blue moon.

I know each person has their own experience/issues with the system and
has their own perception of the importance of those issues. But
really, this one can't possibly be classed as "critical" by any
sensible measure.

Cheers,
Al.

  





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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Issues after upgrade to 8.10 - screen saver

2008-11-02 Thread Roger Leyland
Hi

My first post here, but I watch a lot!

I had the same problem with a lock up when the screen saver kicks in, but with
8.04 immediately after using envyng-gtk to install the latest ATI drivers.  Not
only were the drivers no good for 3D but the screensaver problem occured. Maybe
its a driver rather than 8.10 problem?

Regards

Roger Leyland
Les Gets, France






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> Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2008 09:59:46 +
> From: Ken Robson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [ubuntu-uk] Issues after upgrade to 8.10
> To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com
> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>
> Did an upgrade to 8.10 from .04, upgrade went fine.
> BUT now when the screensaver kicks in it will not wake up again, the
> screen shows the backdrop but no login or desktop, and keyboard is frozen.
> Only solution so far has been the power button to force a shutdown, so
> system is not halted just not responding to keyboard input, i.e. caps
> lock etc does not work, no CAD.
> Any ideas?
>
>
>

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] more issues with 8.10

2008-11-02 Thread Roger Lancefield
2008/11/2 Ken Robson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Since I installed 8.10 64bit as a fresh install, when I eject a cd
> (using right click eject) it immediately closed it again before I have
> time to remove the cd.
>
> Due to the high number of issues I am going to be removing it and trying
> a different distro.
>


Ken, alternatively you could use (or stay with) Hardy Heron until this issue
gets sorted. Hardy is robust and only six months old, which, by the release
cycle standards of some distributions and operating systems, is positively
bleeding edge.

If you find the inevitable bug-squashing and glitch-hunting that occurs post
new releases to be tiresome, you can just stay with the previous release for
6-8 weeks or so, until the most irksome issues are dealt with by the
updates.

Some people enjoy life on the bleeding edge, others need more stability. The
previous release is always there to cater for the latter ;)

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] more issues with 8.10

2008-11-02 Thread Alan Pope
2008/11/2 David Futcher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Actually, this bug is already well known by the developers and is documented 
> in the Intrepid Release Notes [1]. I have no idea why

Ah even better. The original poster can subscribe to that bug and thus
get notified of any workarounds (other than those already published).
Personally i can think of another way to get the CD out, but that
would require a reboot.

> the developers decided to go ahead with release with this fairly critical bug 
> (If you cant get a CD out of a drive, you aren't going
> to stick with an OS for long (this thread is a good example of that).
>

Well from reading the link you posted it _is_ possible to get the CD
out of the drive using the workaround published.

I'm quite staggered that you think an entire OS release should be
delayed for this! I personally use my CDROM drive once in a blue moon.

I know each person has their own experience/issues with the system and
has their own perception of the importance of those issues. But
really, this one can't possibly be classed as "critical" by any
sensible measure.

Cheers,
Al.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] more issues with 8.10

2008-11-02 Thread David Futcher
On Sun, 2008-11-02 at 11:42 +, Alan Pope wrote:
> 2008/11/2 Ken Robson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > Since I installed 8.10 64bit as a fresh install, when I eject a cd
> > (using right click eject) it immediately closed it again before I have
> > time to remove the cd.
> >
> 
> Sounds like you may have found a bug in Ubuntu.
> 
> You could report this bug so that in the future it could be fixed for
> yourself and other Ubuntu uses. It could be a problem with the
> nautilus file manager so you could file a bug against that.

Actually, this bug is already well known by the developers and is documented in 
the Intrepid Release Notes [1]. I have no idea why
the developers decided to go ahead with release with this fairly critical bug 
(If you cant get a CD out of a drive, you aren't going
to stick with an OS for long (this thread is a good example of that).

[1] - http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/810#CD%20eject%20problems

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] more issues with 8.10

2008-11-02 Thread Alan Pope
2008/11/2 Ken Robson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Since I installed 8.10 64bit as a fresh install, when I eject a cd
> (using right click eject) it immediately closed it again before I have
> time to remove the cd.
>

Sounds like you may have found a bug in Ubuntu.

You could report this bug so that in the future it could be fixed for
yourself and other Ubuntu uses. It could be a problem with the
nautilus file manager so you could file a bug against that.

If you haven't already you will need a http://launchpad.net account.

You can file a bug against nautilus via this URL:-

https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+filebug

> Due to the high number of issues I am going to be removing it and trying
> a different distro.
>

That's a shame. I hope that if you have problems on another less than
perfect distro, you find a way to inform them of the bugs you find.

Cheers,
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] more issues with 8.10

2008-11-02 Thread Michael Holloway
Sorry to hear you are having problems... but the the great thing about
linux world is that you can just "try another disctro". In fact I would
encourage everybody to play around with other distro's too, even if your
ubuntu installation is working fine!


On Sun, 2008-11-02 at 11:21 +, Ken Robson wrote:
> Since I installed 8.10 64bit as a fresh install, when I eject a cd 
> (using right click eject) it immediately closed it again before I have 
> time to remove the cd.
> 
> Due to the high number of issues I am going to be removing it and trying 
> a different distro.
> 


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[ubuntu-uk] more issues with 8.10

2008-11-02 Thread Ken Robson
Since I installed 8.10 64bit as a fresh install, when I eject a cd 
(using right click eject) it immediately closed it again before I have 
time to remove the cd.

Due to the high number of issues I am going to be removing it and trying 
a different distro.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] System hosed during network upgrade to 8.10

2008-11-02 Thread Tim Powys-Lybbe
In message of 2 Nov, keith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> In message of 1 Nov, Tim Powys-Lybbe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >I have installed it as an upgrade to 8.04 64 bit
> 
> Hello Tim,
> 
> Have you abandoned RiscOS, or are you just dallying? ;-)

No. (To whichever question it applies to.)

I have always been in favour of exploration, though it is limited by my
abilities.  Ubuntu/Linux interests me as (a) free, (b) now usable and
(c) possibly a future.  So once a week or so I give it a thrash with
something or other.

It runs on my Big Mac, on which also runs Reunion for genealogy and RISC
OS (capitals and two words, the correct form) for more or less
everything else. The fourth operating system that the BM runs is Windows
in a VMWare virtual machine like Ubuntu.  

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Slightly OT: GeForce 4 MX support fixed?

2008-11-02 Thread Michael Holmes
Thanks Michael,
I'll try to perhaps bring in the legacy drivers from the Hardy repos onto a
new Ibex system, and I may file a bug at Launchpad regarding the situation.

Mike

2008/11/2 Michael Wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Hi,
>
> Short answer is no.
>
> Long answer is that for me it was fixed in an update to hardy.1 but i have
> just been trying to use ibex and it's resurfaced the nighmare of this issue.
>
> Check the release notes for intrepid ibex. There is even more of a
> compatibility issue now with nvidia and the new Xserver
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[ubuntu-uk] Issues after upgrade to 8.10

2008-11-02 Thread Ken Robson
Did an upgrade to 8.10 from .04, upgrade went fine.
BUT now when the screensaver kicks in it will not wake up again, the 
screen shows the backdrop but no login or desktop, and keyboard is frozen.
Only solution so far has been the power button to force a shutdown, so 
system is not halted just not responding to keyboard input, i.e. caps 
lock etc does not work, no CAD.
Any ideas?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] System hosed during network upgrade to 8.10

2008-11-02 Thread keith
In message of 1 Nov, Tim Powys-Lybbe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I have installed it as an upgrade to 8.04 64 bit

Hello Tim,

Have you abandoned RiscOS, or are you just dallying? ;-)

Best wishes,

Keith.


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