Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu phone issues not good for Ubuntu reputation
On 27/03/15 23:11, David King wrote: On 23/03/15 18:47, Gareth France wrote: Having said that I've had it since about 2pm and I've broken it already! Looking at the scopes there is a star icon at the top right, it took several clicks before I realised it was removing my scope screens (nearby, weather etc). I don't have the manual with me so does anyone know how to put them back? Me too, not very intuitive at all. Eventually I managed to get them back. Sometimes, but not always, you can swipe up from the bottom to get a list of possible scopes, including those that will show and others you can add. Then you can add back the ones you want. But having a star icon on a scope suggests to me that if you press it then it will be a favourite, but it seems that a star means it is already a favourite, although I do not like the idea of pressing it and it disappears, because someone might press it accidentally. David King pressing the stars moves the scope up and down the list as well as checking and unchecking the star. Confused me to bits for a while. Try it with one of the ones at the top so you can see the home set of scopes and you will see what I mean. I think that needs a re-think, and in the pad popey says it is getting a re-think http://pad.ubuntu.com/phonefaq -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Further Ubuntu phone observations
you will need to be a member of a group that has access to the pad, the ubuntu-uk group has access, as does https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-etherpad so click the join button there and someone will approve you within a couple of minutes (it is a basic, but functional spam prevention system) Alan. On 25/03/15 10:48, Jon Spriggs wrote: I think the Ubuntu One login system has been a little flakey today - I've certainly had problems. So, you need to login (via Ubuntu One) to contribute to the pad, but once you're in, that's it, you're in :) Give it another shot and see if it works for you now. -- Jon The Nice Guy Spriggs On 25 March 2015 at 10:16, Gareth France gareth.fra...@cliftonts.co.uk mailto:gareth.fra...@cliftonts.co.uk wrote: I have tried accessing this and get this response. Has it not been fully set up yet? OpenID Authentication Required Authorization is required to access http://pad.ubuntu.com/phonefaq Either you have not been granted access to this resource or your entitlement has timed out. Please try again. You are currently logged in as https://login.ubuntu.com/+id/DTXmCYQ. (logout) On 25/03/15 09:09, Gareth France wrote: I asked the same question of Alan Pope yesterday. We're putting together something on http://pad.ubuntu.com/phonefaq which covers where to report bugs, what bugs are known about, what is outstanding on being logged, etc. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu phone issues not good for Ubuntu reputation
It is a bit of an odd launch, but I have fairly low expectations. We were in the first batch but don't have handsets yet, probably confused them by ordering two rather than one so they will have to think about how to package it. I am trying hard not to compare it with any kind of Apple launch and I have never really observed any android device launch, I just go to the shop and buy one if I want one. I think we just don't see distance selling product launches and our expectations are formed by Apple stuff and Amazon pre-orders for books and DVDs where the order turns up in the post on the launch date. If you think of it as a month of occasional pre-orders for an launch date of today(ish) then it suddenly seems massively more reasonable - they just called what was actually the start of pre-orders the launch date. I think the problem for me is that whilst I had very low expectations around logistics, I had higher expectations of what I can do on the platform with web apps. The web app API documentation has been pulled (API and Cookbook links on https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/web/ubuntu-webapps-guide/) and that whole chunk of platform integration functionality is deprecated/missing for remote web apps and reserved for locally installed HTML5 applications, which wasn't really what I was expecting so I am trying to drag my expectations down to the new reality. Alan. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] UK Team Reboot
well you are certainly not wrong, it has kind of drifted off, and my name is still on the door as point of contact, I am happy to step aside if that would help, or carry on (I am still sending out 14.04 CDs to anyone who sends an SAE and I am happy to continue doing that). I would like to know if there is going to be a phone released in this country with Ubuntu Touch on it (or Unity 8 if that is what it is going to be known as). If there will be I think that could drum up some enthusiasm, people will want to know if it is worth getting one, and if it is worth skilling up to develop apps for it and integrate it with online stuff and business systems. If it is only going to be available in Elbonia then it is a bit hard to get worked up about it. On 04/12/14 13:57, Alan Pope wrote: Hi all, I wanted to kick off a thread about rebooting the team. We have discussions on the list, an active IRC channel, regular beer-related celebrations and a podcast in its 7th year, but not a lot else (unless I'm mistaken?) done as team effort. So I wanted to start an open discussion here based on my assertion that the team (such as it is) is currently somewhat moribund, and needs a boot up the arse for 2015. The questions I have are:- a) Do you agree? b) What shall we do about it? In my mind I'd like to see us doing more in the way of advocacy, event organising/attending, code jams, support and so on. We could all do this individually or we could do it co-ordinated as a team. I'd prefer the latter. Discuss. :) Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Trusty problem .....
I went through the same thing, lightdm stopped working last week some time, had to flip to gdm to fix it, but now I am back on lightdm and all is well (GDM was fine too, little bit prettier imho, but I like to run as standard as possible). Trusty looks like it is going to be a good one, a lot of the unity window manager bugs have been addressed, locally integrated menus are massively better than the global menu, alt-tab and alt-` and launcher mouse scroll wheel for window changing is generally not producing any of the surprising results it used to do. Alan. On 14/03/14 20:52, Barry Drake wrote: On 14/03/14 15:18, Peter Smout wrote: lightdm - this command should through you to the graphical login screen (may need to be run as root sudo) It may also be worth checking the logs in /var/log (cd into /var/log and use nano to view the files) I'd look in the xorg log first if it still exists :) Thanks all of you. startx didn't help - x was already running. The xorg log shows no problems. The problem is in, or associated with, lightdm, but stopping and restarting it made no difference. Currently, I have altered the default desktop manager to gdm. This works, but I really don't like it! Lightdm running unity really is nice. gdm is not as easy to use and is much slower. I guess I'll just have to try lightdm after every likely update until it works again. I booted into my paralell installation of 13.10 this morning to get access to Trusty and edit the desktop manager. It is so slow compared with Trusty. I'd forgotten about that. Regards,Barry. -- Libertus Solutions http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Building Ubuntu for the Raspberry Pi, on the Raspberry Pi
yeah, I was using a slightly fancy SLC SD card. I would expect bash to be faster, it has way less to do, however 0.4 seconds is not 2-3 seconds. Alan. On 08/11/13 17:03, Tyler J. Wagner wrote: Twice that, on a class 10 SD card: root@raspberrypi:~# cat hello.py print Hello, World! root@raspberrypi:~# time python hello.py Hello, World! real0m0.443s user0m0.140s sys 0m0.090s But it could just be a slow filesystem. Running it repeatedly, it's faster: root@raspberrypi:~# time python /root/hello.py Hello, World! real0m0.223s user0m0.180s sys 0m0.010s And using a tmpfs is equally fast: root@raspberrypi:~# mkdir /tmp/test root@raspberrypi:~# mount -t tmpfs -o size=20m tmpfs /tmp/test root@raspberrypi:~# cp hello.py /tmp/test/ root@raspberrypi:~# time python /tmp/test/hello.py Hello, World! real0m0.205s user0m0.180s sys 0m0.020s However, bash is WAY faster: root@raspberrypi:~# echo 'echo Hello, World!' hello.sh root@raspberrypi:~# time bash hello.sh Hello, World! real0m0.021s user0m0.000s sys 0m0.010s Regards, Tyler -- I work at http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Building Ubuntu for the Raspberry Pi, on the Raspberry Pi
I use python on the pi all the time, it works just fine for me, but I don't do much time critical stuff. Printing to the console is a bit slowish, but I do plenty of stuff responding to USB events and flashing LEDs attached to the GPIO and stuff like that. Mostly not desktop applications, just scripts that control things, log data to databases, that kind of stuff. I have also installed OpenERP on the Pi, that is a biggish python based server application. It wasn't quick, but neither was it slow enough that I didn't manage to install it, (including postGRES) and set up a company in it over the course of an evening. Alan. On 07/11/13 16:19, Tyler J. Wagner wrote: Hi Alan, Please add make Python not suck on Raspberry Pi to your list of requests. Execution time for python is so bad I had to rewrite a number of my tools as shell scripts. Since many tools in Ubuntu are based on Python, I expect that'll be on your list anyway. Hopefully that's just an issue with the Raspbian builds and not an inherent issue with the processor. :) Regards, Tyler -- Libertus Solutions http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Building Ubuntu for the Raspberry Pi, on the Raspberry Pi
odd, do you get something different to this? pi@raspberrypi ~ $ cat hello.py print Hello, World! pi@raspberrypi ~ $ time python hello.py Hello, World! real0m0.248s user0m0.180s sys0m0.050s On 07/11/13 20:06, Tyler J. Wagner wrote: Alan, I notice that python startup is unacceptably slow. Perhaps once the program is running, it's better. For instance, using python to gather data for snmpd is even an option, as it takes 2-3 seconds to run a simple subprocess call. Bash does the same almost instantly. Regards, Tyler -- Libertus Solutions http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Building Ubuntu for the Raspberry Pi, on the Raspberry Pi
Hi all, I have been keen on the idea of the Raspberry Pi running Ubuntu for some time, and finally decided to get together with some folk and do something about it. So we are doing a crowd funding indiegogo thing to raise money to build a cluster of Pi devices that will be tasked with building all the packages that make up Ubuntu. You can read more about it, including some of the backstory about why the Pi didn't run Ubuntu from the start at the project page here http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/a-raspberry-pi-build-cluster-for-ubuntu/x/5206923 We would welcome contributions, discussion, or general advice :) Alan. -- I work at http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Building Ubuntu for the Raspberry Pi, on the Raspberry Pi
On 06/11/13 20:50, Barry Drake wrote: On 06/11/13 20:12, Alan Bell wrote: I have been keen on the idea of the Raspberry Pi running Ubuntu for some time, and finally decided to get together with some folk and do something about it. So we are doing a crowd funding indiegogo thing to raise money to build a cluster of Pi devices that will be tasked with building all the packages that make up Ubuntu. You can read more about it, including some of the backstory about why the Pi didn't run Ubuntu from the start at the project page here Well done Alan. Just what I've been waiting for. I've contributed, and will offer help such as I can give. I'm not much of a coder these days, but might be able to help in other ways. Regards,Barry Drake. wonderful, thanks for your support! Alan -- Libertus Solutions http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Building Ubuntu for the Raspberry Pi, on the Raspberry Pi
from the pitch . . . Rasbian is a great operating platform for it, the LXDE desktop is fine, the Wayland demo was brilliant and loads of cool projects are happening based on the Pi. We still want Ubuntu on it though. We are using it in embedded projects, it is also turning up in things like the OpenERP Point of Sale kit, situations where it doesn't need a responsive user interface (or a user interface at all). It would be great to know that all the libraries we are using on it are the same versions we are using on other computers that are running Ubuntu. Basically when writing code on my laptop to deploy on the pi I want it to be the same environment. Now I could run Debian Wheezy on my laptop of course, but I am not going to do that. I am running Ubuntu on my laptop and I want to run Ubuntu on the Pi. Seeing Ubuntu Desktop with Mir and Unity 8 would be kind of sweet, but the project isn't a failure if that doesn't work out - and the Unity desktop might well not run well on the Pi, we are well below the minimum recommended specification. It will be fun to try, but I don't want to set expectations too high. Having Ubuntu server as an expectation is probably deliverable, going above and beyond that would be a bonus. Alan. On 06/11/13 21:14, Nigel Verity wrote: Alan I'm all for maximising the choice of OS that can be run on a Pi, but your Indigogo pitch doesn't make clear what advantages Ubuntu server with no desktop will bring, compared to the existing Debian derivative which already provides LXDE. The pitch also gives the impression that if it does eventually prove possible to get Unity running on top of Pibuntu then the performance is not going to be up to much. Please don't take this as pouring cold water on your plans, more a pointer for enhancing the FAQs. Regards Nige -- Libertus Solutions http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Building Ubuntu for the Raspberry Pi, on the Raspberry Pi
On 06/11/13 22:19, Dan Fish wrote: I think another aspect that should not be ignored is the potential roadmap for such arm devices. Admittedly I'm not aware of the Raspberry Pi's future direction, but in general more and more such arm devices seem to be in the offing. The raspberry pi itself has captured a stunningly large market share and surely Ubuntu should be trying to get a distro out at the start of the project, rather than being latecomers to Raspberry Pi V2. I don't expect a revision of the Pi that changes the Broadcom chip or anything else in any significant way. It doesn't need to be faster for what it is, and so many people have made cases and mounting things for it and expect the GPIO pins to be exactly where they are etc. I think like the Arduino it is something that doesn't really need an upgrade, being stable is more important, so you can replace half a classroom's worth of them in a few years and expect it to not be different to the other half. Unity performance notwithstanding, ubuntu server has a lot of potential on such a device (and IMHO is server is the jewel in the ubuntu crown) Regards Dan Disclaimer - ubuntu server is in the roadmap for the NHS spine v2 ( http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/10/nhs_drops_oracle_for_riak/) - sorry for the El Reg link, but it's a brief and pretty accurate summary of future plans -- Libertus Solutions http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Building Ubuntu for the Raspberry Pi, on the Raspberry Pi
On 06/11/13 22:26, Andres wrote: I recently heard more about beagle bone in FLOSS weekly. Doesn't beagle bone support ubuntu for a number of years now? Similar price, better hardware and a bit more open source? yes, that is a good platform too. What makes the pi so special? I thought it was the educational aspect of it. If it is for server, why not beagle bone? it is that bit cheaper, more of them out there, more people doing interesting projects with them. -- Enviado desde mi teléfono con K-9 Mail. -- Libertus Solutions http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Saucy Salamander - The Release Party
Just a reminder, the release date and party is tomorrow night, at the Lord Nelson Alan. On 20/09/13 18:01, Alan Bell wrote: Hi all, it is that time again, another 6 months another release of our favorite operating system. This time it is Ubuntu 13.10 the Saucy Salamander, the first release featuring the new Mir display server and the unveiling of smart scopes which are like scopes, but smarter. The event is once more in a pub in London, this time at the Lord Nelson http://www.lordnelsonsouthwark.com which serves a variety of interesting burgers (including their special horse burger) up to 8PM. Once again our friends from Canonical will be joining us at the pub and I understand they will be getting a round in and sorting out some snacks which is nice - they might have some tshirts and other swag too. Details are here, feel free to mark yourself as attending, or simply turn up on the night. http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/2555-saucy-salamander-release-party/ Do join us to celebrate the launch of Saucy, and debate the name of the next release (Tenacious Turkey? Talented Termite?) Alan. -- I work at http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Saucy Salamander - [Name]
there is a bit of a list here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames#A14.04 Alan. -- Libertus Solutions http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Saucy Salamander - The Release Party
Hi all, it is that time again, another 6 months another release of our favorite operating system. This time it is Ubuntu 13.10 the Saucy Salamander, the first release featuring the new Mir display server and the unveiling of smart scopes which are like scopes, but smarter. The event is once more in a pub in London, this time at the Lord Nelson http://www.lordnelsonsouthwark.com which serves a variety of interesting burgers (including their special horse burger) up to 8PM. Once again our friends from Canonical will be joining us at the pub and I understand they will be getting a round in and sorting out some snacks which is nice - they might have some tshirts and other swag too. Details are here, feel free to mark yourself as attending, or simply turn up on the night. http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/2555-saucy-salamander-release-party/ Do join us to celebrate the launch of Saucy, and debate the name of the next release (Tenacious Turkey? Talented Termite?) Alan. -- I work at http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Real Ale Train is next month!
choo choo! Real Ale Train tomorrow loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/2320-real-ale-train/ Alan -- I work at http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Good morning!
On 05/06/13 08:55, pete smout wrote: On 05/06/13 05:59, Bod Soutar wrote: Weight loss spam...really! Pete and blocked from the list already, please ignore. Alan. -- Libertus Solutions http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] enough folks
I think this thread has gone about as far as it needs to, and then a bit further. Lets move on and talk about something else now. Alan. -- Libertus Solutions http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] enough folks
actually most modern email clients will use the In-Reply-To: kmio63$r73$1...@ger.gmane.org header field of my mail which points to the messageID of the previous email and as a result preserves the thread structure, certainly works in thunderbird, and mailman https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/2013-May/thread.html Alan. On 10/05/13 13:15, Tony Scott wrote: What thread? Whichever one you're talking about, by changing the subject line you've broken the thread ;-) -- Tony Scott http://tonyscott.org.uk | http://savetvc.co.uk On 10 May 2013 13:11, Alan Lord alansli...@gmail.com wrote: On 10/05/13 13:09, Alan Bell wrote: I think this thread has gone about as far as it needs to, and then a bit further. Lets move on and talk about something else now. +1 How about Mono ;-) Al -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- Libertus Solutions http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] London Release Event - Thursday
Hi all, the release of the Raring Ringtail is in a couple of days and we will be having the traditional London pub meetup with the Canonical team. This time it will be at the Old Thameside Inn, next to the Golden Hind from about 6:30 on Thursday evening. http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/2329-1304-release-party/ There might be a Tshirt or two handed out as well if we are lucky http://shop.canonical.com/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=13.04+and+t-shirt Alan. -- I work at http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] No DVDs for the 13.04 release
Hi all, we have had the communication below from Canonical, there won't be a LoCo team allocation of DVDs for 13.04, but there will be something for 14.04. This is kind of a consequence of downplaying the non-LTS releases and heading in a rolling release direction, whilst boosting the importance of the 14.04 release - which is in theory the one that runs on everything including desktops and phones and phablets. Alan. Hi all, This is just to let you know that going forward, Canonical will not be producing DVDs for standard releases.We understand that to convert interested experimenters to Ubuntu users we need to provide and outstanding initial user-experience, and the ability for the user to explore and learn in safety with a supporting network of experts around them. The LoCo teams are a key to that second part as you provide a personal experience that's local to the user. While we love users to be on the latest version of Ubuntu, the key thing for new users is a known, stable and supported environment. So to make sure we provide that we'll be shipping you the LTS release CDs rather than the latest standard release. Therefore, there won't be DVDs for 13.04 as going forward our focus will be on LTS releases. The next production of DVDs will be 14.04. To bridge the gap till 14.04,we will continue to supply 12.04 DVDs for events. You can request DVDs for events through Shipit as normal.[https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuAtConferences] Thank you for your continued and valuable support in making Ubuntu great. Michelle === Laura -- Laura Czajkowski https://wiki.ubuntu.com/czajkowski LoCo Council Member Community Council Member -- loco-contacts mailing list loco-conta...@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/loco-contacts -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Release Party for 13.04
Hi All, Our traditional London release party is on once more, this time next to the historic Golden Hind at the Old Thameside Inn http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/2329-1304-release-party/ http://www.nicholsonspubs.co.uk/theoldthamesideinnlondonbridge/ It will be on April 25th starting around 7pm ish, or whenever you can get there. We will ask them to reserve a couple of tables, do try to wear something Ubuntuish or possibly something with a Raring Ringtail theme. For those who can, and are sufficiently brave, I am sure you would gain lots of respect by following the example of this chap: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-y73w3pEaYJk/UK0BneTAdWI/BM0/70C75mGAJBQ/s1600/lemur.jpg but really, just come as you are is fine, see you there o/ Alan. -- I work at http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Changes imposed
On 22/02/13 09:15, Colin Law wrote: I don't think that logic does not apply to removing features like the dual pane and tree views in Nautilus. tree views just came back to some extent I think, I saw a screenshot somewhere last week, but in any case, simplifying the file manager has been in the works for quite a while http://linuxart.com/log/archives/2010/06/20/the-future-of-nautilus/ http://linuxart.com/log/archives/2009/07/24/nautilus-streamlined/ https://live.gnome.org/Nautilus/UIRoadmap http://blogs.gnome.org/mccann/2012/08/01/cross-cut/ The problem with the influence of design as a distinct activity and expertise in open source, both in Gnome and Ubuntu and elsewhere is that you very quickly get to a patches not welcome situation - and it is often not clear when patches won't be welcome. I don't know if they would accept a tree view being added to it. This means people fork stuff rather than contribute to it, so there is a nemo file manager that has been forked from nautilus and has some of the removed functions re-added. Design is a good thing, but I think it should be added on top of good architecture rather than being the starting point and backfilling the structure. Alan. -- I work at http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Changes imposed
On 25/02/13 12:29, Colin Law wrote: Well if the tree view is back in 3.6 then I can't find it. neither can I now, I expect I just saw a screenshot of someone who had patched it back in, or possibly the Mint fork of Nautilus. If you have a read of the original bug report https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=676897 it really does seem like the code was just deleted because a designer didn't like it much and thought it might not work well on a touch interface - this isn't something that was dropped accidentally as part of a refactoring of the sidebar code or anything like that, they just don't want it. There could be a brilliant touch friendly implementation of it, perhaps a bit like dasher, but if it isn't in the design there isn't much point doing it. Alan. -- Libertus Solutions http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Globally Jamming
Hi all, It is coming up to Ubuntu Global Jam season again, this is a bit of a unified effort from the Local community teams around the world to do some more concentrated activities around making Ubuntu better, promoting Ubuntu, or learning more about Ubuntu. The notional date for it is this weekend https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam however I think we can stretch the dates a touch to extend to the 9th March where there is another event we can coincide with, which is the Hack n Talk event http://hackntalk.eventbrite.com/ in London. This means that for folk who can make it to London there is a venue to get together at, and we can use Google Hangouts to stream video around for other people to join in discussions and activities. Activites could include testing different aspects of Ubuntu, maybe looking at the Ubuntu Touch platform for phone and tablets, maybe finding out how to port that to other devices, or anything else really, the agenda is wide open! There might be online activities this weekend in other countries, you can browse them here http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/1443/detail/ I will add the UK one shortly. Alan. -- I work at http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Globally Jamming
yes we do, Laura Czajkowski is organising it Alan. On 25/02/13 19:18, Tony Scott wrote: Hi everyone Do we know who is actually organising the hackntalk events? Unless I'm missing something, I can't find any names at http://hackntalk.eventbrite.com/ https://twitter.com/hackntalk or http://hackntalk.org/ -- Tony Scott http://tonyscott.org.uk | http://twitter.com/tonys | http://wpuk.org -- Libertus Solutions http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] [Fsuk-manchester] Any folks in Manchester interested in participating in an Ubuntu Global Jam event if I were to organise one?
excellent stuff Chris! On 19/02/13 14:35, Chris Wilson wrote: I'm pretty sure this will go ahead. Keep an eye on the Manchester Free Software and Ubuntu UK mailing lists for more info. Chris -- Libertus Solutions http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Windows 8 (a pox on it)
On 15/02/13 17:43, Alan Pope wrote: On 15/02/13 17:40, Rowan Berkeley wrote: He says: Windows 8 hardware uses the UEFI replacement for the traditional BIOS, like Macs do. Some solid-state drive-equipped Windows 8 PCs boot so fast that you’d only have a 200 millisecond (that’s 0.2 seconds) window of opportunity to press the key combination. That's daft. You hold the key down then press the power button. No magic. Cheers, this is specifically why grub uses shift as the interupt key, it is one of the few keys that the BIOS or equivalent won't complain about if it is pressed down on bootup. You can press and hold shift and restart and get to the grub menu. -- I work at http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] team meeting today in an hour or so
I meant to send this email yesterday, but totally failed to do so, sorry about that. I figure it is time we go together for a bit of a chat about events and things we can do to promote Ubuntu in the UK. There is a global jam initiative coming up and we have a possible venue for a bit of a get together in London on the 9th March and perhaps one in the Coventry area too. Do pop along to the #ubuntu-uk-meeting channel any time from 8 ish, I will start a meeting and let it roll all evening, so feel free to pop in any time. You can join in a browser here: http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=ubuntu-uk-meeting or with any IRC client. Alan. -- I work at http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu operating system comes to Android smartphones
On 03/01/13 10:49, Simon Greenwood wrote: The concept for Ubuntu on Android is essentially an Android phone with an Ubuntu disk image stored on SD card/in memory that allows the phone to be used as a boot device for a PC based system. not really, it was demonstrated on a Motorola Atrix that had virtualisation built in and a webtop operating system running in the VM which was swapped out for Ubuntu. The Ubuntu image is an ARM image that is running on the phone processor alongside the android bit, with a hypervisor sorting them out. It had a docking station with USB and HDMI out so could drive a monitor from the phone directly. No PC involved. Alan. -- I work at http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Upgrade from 6.06LTS!
On 27/11/12 15:49, Liam Proven wrote: FWIW, I think it is foolish and even suicidal of VMware to depend upon Windows for management, but what can you do... you can use KVM, it works great on the server side and there is a nice GUI client for the Linux desktop that allows you to see what your VMs are doing and double click to open a VNC over SSH session to see the console of your VM. For a server that is always supposed to perform exactly one function then I wouldn't bother with virtualisation (more to fail, slightly slower startup time, no particular benefit) Alan. -- Libertus Solutions http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] meeting in 2 hours folks
On 08/11/12 14:17, Alan Bell wrote: To talk of many things: of shoes and ships and Christmas parties and installfests and the suchlike as the poem goes, more or less. We have not really had a team meeting as such for the UK Local Community Team (that is you that is) for some time, and it is approaching Christmas, we have had UDS-R, we have CDs delivered to distribute how we like and generally I think we have stuff to discuss. for those who have not participated in Ubuntu meetings before, it is quite simple, the agenda is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeamMeetingAgenda and is on the wiki so you are more than welcome to edit it and add stuff you want to discuss. The meeting itself is online on IRC, you can connect using xchat or various other IRC clients that are in the repositories, or with a web browser at this link http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#ubuntu-uk-meeting things I thinkwe need to discuss so far are: Christmas Party/meetup Installfest/Nexus 7 Flashparty CD Distribution The Next Happy Hour(s) the meeting will be next Wednesday 14th at 20:00 Alan. -- I work at http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] meeting in 2 hours folks
starting now, do come and join us http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#ubuntu-uk-meeting On 14/11/12 18:00, Alan Bell wrote: On 08/11/12 14:17, Alan Bell wrote: To talk of many things: of shoes and ships and Christmas parties and installfests and the suchlike as the poem goes, more or less. We have not really had a team meeting as such for the UK Local Community Team (that is you that is) for some time, and it is approaching Christmas, we have had UDS-R, we have CDs delivered to distribute how we like and generally I think we have stuff to discuss. for those who have not participated in Ubuntu meetings before, it is quite simple, the agenda is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeamMeetingAgenda and is on the wiki so you are more than welcome to edit it and add stuff you want to discuss. The meeting itself is online on IRC, you can connect using xchat or various other IRC clients that are in the repositories, or with a web browser at this link http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#ubuntu-uk-meeting things I thinkwe need to discuss so far are: Christmas Party/meetup Installfest/Nexus 7 Flashparty CD Distribution The Next Happy Hour(s) the meeting will be next Wednesday 14th at 20:00 Alan. -- I work at http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Proposal for discussion
On 12/11/12 11:55, Alan Pope wrote: I have added an item for discussion at the next Ubuntu UK meeting. I'm mailing the list so everyone is aware of the proposal and can have their 2p heard if they won't be at the meeting. I have proposed we reduce the number of online resources / services we provide for the team. This includes, but is not limited to:- * Ubuntu UK Planet - http://planet.ubuntu-uk.org/ ok * Ubuntu UK Etherpad - http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/ nuke it from orbit * Wordpress blog http://ubuntu-uk.org/ lets take out anything blogish about it (there isn't much) and leave that as the simple home page, so retaining the map, the happy hour stuff, the free-cds page. This leaves us with an easy to maintain thing that we can do more stuff with if we want to in future, that has more flexibility than the wiki. -- Libertus Solutions http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] My Unity
On 08/11/12 10:33, scoundrel50agmail wrote: Hi Does anyone know if this is coming back to 12.10, I really liked that little app, if its not is there another app like it that I can use, that isnt compiz which every time I use I break something. Plus talking about compiz what happened to the wobbly windows.I liked that option, it seems compiz has had a huge make under where lots of the options have been removed now... thanks that little app was scary bad. Really really bad. CompizConfig Settings Manager is the tool to use to tweak compix configuration values. Compiz plugins each include a little XML file listing all the parameters they have which are tweakable. ccsm reads these XML file and presents a user interface to adjust them all. MyUnity hard coded a bunch of values with hard coded different things to do when running on different versions of Ubuntu, it was unmaintainable, inaccessible, nasty nasty stuff. Read the source if you don't believe me. There were two big problems with ccsm. 1) lots of numeric parameters included a spinner for the value and a drag bar. People would use the mouse wheel to scroll the page up and down, then a drag bar would move under the mouse, and because the mouse wheel was turning this would then move the drag bar. Users would then not know the original position of the drag bar (or even notice it had moved so they could hit the reset to default button on the right) and unknown things would change, possibly to a point of reduced usability. 2) The big one. people would try to turn on the cube. This in itself is fine, however Cube conflicts with Wall. Cube and Wall both provide the feature LargeDesktop. The Unity plugin depends on this feature. So the problem here is that although the ending position is fine (unity installed and depending on cube) the dependency resolution thing meant that Unity got turned off in the transition from wall to cube. Unity could be turned on again in theory, but you had already lost your desktop at that point. Unity no longer depends on largedesktop, so you can safely turn on the cube, which will disable wall (or turn off both if you want). It is also a bit harder to turn off the unity plugin in general using the ccsm tool. so, use ccsm, file bugs for the broken bits. Fix bugs if you can. Alan. -- Libertus Solutionshttp://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] The time has come, the Walrus said,
To talk of many things: of shoes and ships and Christmas parties and installfests and the suchlike as the poem goes, more or less. We have not really had a team meeting as such for the UK Local Community Team (that is you that is) for some time, and it is approaching Christmas, we have had UDS-R, we have CDs delivered to distribute how we like and generally I think we have stuff to discuss. for those who have not participated in Ubuntu meetings before, it is quite simple, the agenda is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeamMeetingAgenda and is on the wiki so you are more than welcome to edit it and add stuff you want to discuss. The meeting itself is online on IRC, you can connect using xchat or various other IRC clients that are in the repositories, or with a web browser at this link http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#ubuntu-uk-meeting things I thinkwe need to discuss so far are: Christmas Party/meetup Installfest/Nexus 7 Flashparty CD Distribution The Next Happy Hour(s) the meeting will be next Wednesday 14th at 20:00 Alan. -- I work at http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 10.04 Live CD in Newhaven?
On 04/11/12 21:59, Colin Law wrote: I don't suppose there is anyone in Newhaven (East Sussex) with a 10.04 Desktop Live CD is there? My daughter's PC won't boot and her install CD is faulty so she is a bit stuck. I am 250 miles away so it is a bit difficult for me to help if it won't even boot. Cheers Colin happy to post 12.04 and 12.10 CDs as always http://ubuntu-uk.org/free-cds/ Alan. -- I work at http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Raring Ringtail .....
why would you say that? I never tested alphas and betas before, they came out on days I had other stuff to do, so I always grabbed the daily iso for installation tests because I didn't want to be reporting bugs that had already been fixed. I guess you could call them daily betas and everyone would be happy. Alan. On 05/11/12 11:18, A wrote: Does this not significantly reduce the opportunities for bug catching from the community? -- Libertus Solutions http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Follow along with UDS
I know a bunch of you are either at the Ubuntu Developer Summit or following the sessions remotely via audio and IRC, but there are also live video streams from the rooms which you can find here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXmPMPbXeA1gKZdcokgXF3w you will need the daily schedule to work out which room to watch when, to find the session you want to follow http://summit.ubuntu.com/uds-r the summit is where various elements of the next version of Ubuntu are discussed, if you want to find out what is happening, or take part in making it happen, or later find out why something happened, then the UDS sessions are the reference tool for answering those questsions. Alan. -- I work at http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Missing post
On 26/10/12 13:21, Gareth France wrote: I posted on here last night about a problem I'm having but it hasn't shown up. Are we not allowed to attach photos to the email or something? Stuff over 40k gets held for moderation, I released it this morning. (it was 65k or so I think) When a 40k attachment gets mailed to 1000 people that is a distributed storage load of 40MB, so mailing lists tend to have size limits. Alan. -- Libertus Solutions http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Free Ubuntu DVDs
Our team allocation of Ubuntu Desktop 12.10 DVDs and Ubuntu Server CDs have arrived and you are entirely welcome to have one, just send me an SAE: http://ubuntu-uk.org/free-cds/ or figure out some alternative way to get them from me, you can visit us in Farnham (free cup of coffee included with every CD) or meet up in London some time. Alan. -- I work at http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Free 12.10 DVDs available to pre-order
Hi all, I ordered our team allocation of DVDs and CDs today, it will be 250 DVDs of the desktop distribution and 50CDs of Ubuntu Server. Here is the procedure for getting hold of a rather nice pre-printed pressed DVD of Ubuntu: http://ubuntu-uk.org/free-cds/ I still have some 12.04 CDs so I will chuck some in with every order. Please feel free to send your stamped addressed envelopes now and I will put them aside until the shipment arrives and post them back to you on the day of arrival (probably around the end of this month) Alan. -- I work at http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Poor performance with Ubuntu on my laptop
Bring it along to the release party on the 18th and we can have a poke at it. I would try Quantal 64bit on it personally, There have been quite a lot of performance improvements and things have been largely unbroken with Unity in general. Alan. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] The Quantal Quetzal takes flight - the London release party for Ubuntu 12.10
Hi all, after a bit of to-ing and fro-ing we have settled on a venue for the London release party for 12.10, it will be at the George Inn, London's last galleried coaching in, as visited by Charles Dickens (dunno how exclusive that is, anyone know if he was into pub crawls?) The date will be the 18th of October, which is just over a couple of weeks away and as usual we will be joined by the team from Canonical who will no doubt be rather gasping for some refreshment after the last minute stress of the release. details and sign up sheet here (not that you have to sign up or anything, you can just turn up) http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/2006/detail/ I will try and sort out name badges somehow, that would appear to be a good thing to do. In fact yes, lets do that. For anyone who clicks the register button on the sign up page there will be a badge with your name on it waiting for you - I might include IRC nicks if they are on your launchpad page. see you there o/ Alan. -- I work at http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu 12.10: advertising lenses
On 25/09/12 09:33, Juergen Schinker wrote: Why is there no full Transparancy about this -the more i dig the more comes out... J In a situation where there is no transparency then the more you dig nothing more comes out. What you are experiencing *is* transparency, where the more you dig the more you find out. read the source (you do not need to understand vala to be able to read it): https://code.launchpad.net/unity-lens-shopping https://code.launchpad.net/unity-lens-music (not new, but works exactly the same way as shopping) https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-lens-videos (not new, but works almost exactly the same way as shopping) here is the self documenting web service they proxy through http://productsearch.ubuntu.com/ in which you can find much transparency: http://productsearch.ubuntu.com/v1/search?q=transparency This is how lenses and scopes relate to each other https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity/Lenses That documentation includes information on default searches and how lens specific searches and the global search results are formed. The only thing that I do not think has published and transparent source code is the web service. Alan -- I work at http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ayatana / Lens searches for tokens only
lenses listen to the seach query, they get a callback when it changes. They can then use what the user has typed in whatever way they want to get results. This means that one could be doing a substring search, others an exact match, others case insensitive etc. So if it isn't doing a very good search this is a bug in the individual lens, not a general thing across all of them. There is a tradeoff between fuzzyness and accuracy. Personally I am pretty unimpressed with the results of fuzzy searches (like the HUD does) because it produces random unexpected results that kind of anticipate me failing to type stuff correctly. If I typed and I would *not* expect something starting with H to get in the way of what I was actually looking for, if I wanted something starting with H I would have typed it. On 25/09/12 16:29, Tyler J. Wagner wrote: Related to that, the Lens searches seem to be based on tokens of entire words, not substrings. They are delimited by whitespace or changes in capitalisation. For instance, I have Handbrake installed. The desktop file gives a description of HandBrake. The capital letter B is significant. If I search for hand or brake, it appears. If I search for Handbrake, handb, or anything that crosses the capital B, the search fails. Further, if I search for and, it doesn't find HandBrake at all. Searches must begin at the start of a word. This *really* needs to be fixed. The Mint menu doesn't have a problem with any of these. Regards, Tyler On 2012-09-25 15:26, Bill B. wrote: Hi folks, I am curious as to why there is all this fuss about a not-yet-fully-released dash and how it has distracted all attention away from the dash's real problems. As an example I would cite the failure of the apps lens to properly show required applications... I run 12.4.1 fully updated and have a few [12] games installed on my netbook for when I'm away and bored. I know I have 12 games installed but have yet to find a search to display them as a result. e.g games displays 1, game displays 6... perhaps for the whole selection I should type oi! get it right! Good move, you clever Canonocallies... nothing like a bit of fog to cover up in true American presidential election stylie ;) -- Libertus Solutions http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ayatana / Lens searches for tokens only
On 25/09/12 16:29, Tyler J. Wagner wrote: Related to that, the Lens searches seem to be based on tokens of entire words, not substrings. They are delimited by whitespace or changes in capitalisation. For instance, I have Handbrake installed. what is that then? trying to reproduce your issue but I can't find it, what is the package name? Alan. -- Libertus Solutions http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu 12.10: advertising lenses
On 25/09/12 20:17, keith wrote: On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 01:18:41 +0100 J Fernyhough j.fernyho...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] One solution is pretty straightforward: make online search features an option in the installer (same page as third-party codecs) with a link to the privacy policy etc. [/snip] How about a 'first run' screen similar to CentOS/Redhat installer except for each user that is created? You could page through some choices like country/codecs/advert choices/main use of device/ etc and the relevant country specific legal stuff could appear on each page. I suspect once the lawyers get going (privacy laws being different in different countries and for different age groups) we will need to have some kind opt in agreement anyway, so why not make it tidy and user friendly for those not in the know about stuff like this? that sounds annoying The other issue is perhaps more personal to me: it just seems a *waste* somehow of bandwidth (I know, a few bytes in the firehose c) and of server cycles (yes, I know, microscopic) to generate 'suggestions' for search terms like 'alf*19960401*crbok*.odt' or 'data*mean*sd' or similar. I'm not thinking about buying things when I'm searching for documents. Amazon don't have a profile to filter against previous purchases so the suggestions will be low quality and unspecific anyway. that is why you can click on the specific lens you want to search in to focus your search. If you want to search just in the documents lens then do that, if you want to fire your search across a heap of places then you can search in the home lens. Not all lenses will support wildcard searches. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Searching on the Dash
On 24/09/12 12:10, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: Ubuntu 12.04 Am I correct in thinking that the Search function on the Dash should search all of the documents/applications on the machine, or does it only search the Recently Used lists? Because if it's the former, then it doesn't. Is there some sort of indexing parameter that needs to be set? I believe it searches through all the files that zeitgeist knows about, which is basically recently used lists Alan. -- I work at http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] HTML images
On 19/09/12 14:40, John Davis wrote: Hi, I am a novice at web site design. I am designing a web site for my son's business. One page of index and 2 pages of photos. Portfolio pictures etc. I have done the first and second page, in Firefox they display perfectly but with explorer and chrome, some of the photos are missing. I have checked the naming conventions of the photos, some are initials I have made up and some are called DSCF3.jpg and some are csl1.jpg (example) I have used this convention and viewed it with various browsers, some with the capitals display and others do not , Can anyone explain what is wrong ? Help gratefully received, John Davis Assuming the website is being hosted on Ubuntu server as a simple files based website (no content management system) then the filesystem is case sensitive so you need to be linking to the same case as the filename. If you provide a link to the site here we might have a better stab at explaining what is going on. Alan. -- I work at http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Global Jam and other Events
On 16/08/12 23:06, Gary Cordery wrote: Not forgetting OggCamp this weekend!, are you planning another group photo like last year? I can't make this one, but someone should do a group photo certainly! Alan. -- I work at http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Global Jam and other Events
here is the link to the details of the Farnham event http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1906/detail/ Alan. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Global Jam and other Events
We have a number of excuses coming up to go out and have fun together, and I think we should grab all of these chances with all the hands we can muster 6th-9th September Ubuntu Global Jam https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam This is a few days set aside for activities to improve Ubuntu, we have done a variety of online activities in the past and I think that might work well again this time, possibly using Google Hangouts to get together and do some testing of the new Quantal release or other activities suggested on the wiki page, please reply with suggestions of things you would like to do for this and we will try and make it happen. I think I will be a bit busy working at the Paralympics when this is happening but I would love to see the UK contributing bugs and fixes and such to Quantal as part of the Global Jam. 13th September Brighton Happy Hour - someone suggested Brighton and the date which is a great idea, but I don't recall who it was, or what pub was specified, Someone pick a pub in Brighton and lets make this happen! Please can people in the area reply with pub suggestions and a general agreement on the date. 22nd September Farnham Happy Hour - various people are in the area or visiting and a happy hour has been suggested, lets go to The Slug Lettuce http://www.thegoodpubguide.co.uk/pub/view/The-Slug--Lettuce-GU9-7RX (I will set up the loco directory event thing) 18th October Launch of Ubuntu 12.10 the Quantal Quetzal - This will probably be a pub meet up in London, I will talk to some Canonical contacts about the venue for this. 29th November We have had a request for a London Happy Hour around the end of November, we have met up a number of times in West London, lets go East for this one, perhaps somewhere near the Olympic Venues in Stratford or closer to the river. I will check out some pubs for this one (always happy to do that kind of research) December sometime Christmas event! What should we do this year, last year was a fascinating but rather pricey meal served in pitch darkness at Dans Le Noir. What would you like to do this year? Classy meal?/Night at a show?/Pie and a Pint?/Coffee and mince pies at Starbucks?/Group visit to Bletchley Park?/something else? let me know your thoughts and I will see what can be sorted out. Alan. -- I work athttp://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] BBQ on Saturday
Summer is kind of here, right on schedule for the BBQ this Saturday http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/gu9 http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1824/detail/ Please do email me off-list for the exact address if you don't know it, if you are arriving by train let me know what one and it is likely we can sort out a lift from the station. There will be some food and soft drinks, but if you want to bring some other drinks and something interesting to BBQ and share that would be lovely. see you on Saturday! Alan. -- I work at http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Team Meeting
On 22/07/12 09:11, Simon Watson wrote: How about Brighton? I've been banging on about trying to arrange one for ages. I have a couple of different venues in mind, both a short walk from Brighton station - would just need to gain some consensus on a date? How about Thursday 13th of September? sounds perfect, got a postcode/website for the venue? Thursday 13th September is fine. Alan. -- Libertus Solutions http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Team Meeting
Hi all, Our regular team meetings kind of fizzled out a bit earlier in the year, lets restart them. I have scheduled a meeting for Saturday 4th August at 6PM. The meeting will be in the #ubuntu-uk-meeting channel on freenode, and we might just set up a parallel Google Hangout or something just for fun. The meetings are to discuss plans and things that we can do to promote Ubuntu in the UK, with a fairly broad interpretation of what that might include. If anyone wants to raise any particular topic or has a suggested activity or meetup that we should plan then please do come along to the meeting and optionally jot down some notes on the agenda about what you want to discuss: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeamMeetingAgenda One other thing I would very much like to restart is the happy hour pub meetups http://ubuntu-uk.org/happy-hour/ . If someone would like to volunteer to be in a particular pub at a certain date and time (this has been Thursday evenings so far, but other suggestions are fine) for a meetup in your area that would be great. Alan. -- I work at http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Gaming on Ubuntu
On 12/07/12 14:40, Liam Proven wrote: I do rather feel I am being criticised for something I tried hard to avoid doing here. do try that little bit harder next time please. Just to reinforce what Laura and Sarah have already pointed out, it was not an appropriate comment to make. Lets move on and talk about Ubuntu instead. If you really want to discuss community members presentational styles then it is much better to discuss it with them directly, I find it rather poor form to talk about people behind their backs. lets move on now. Alan. -- I work at http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Gaming on Ubuntu
On 09/07/12 22:09, Barry Drake wrote: I would feel a bit more encouraged if Canonical were to put a tiny bit of effort into raising the profile. The time is ripe as you say, Alan. Look at the really annoying adverts that Microsoft put on the Linux Mag e-pages. A similar effort from Canonical would not cost the earth and would raise interest. Add to that the potential army of volunteers like us who would give loads of time to the follow up Canonical; if you are listening - don't miss the opportunity. Regards,Barry. -- Barry Drake is a member of the the Ubuntu Advertising team. http://ubuntuadverts.org/ they have been doing some stuff recently to encourage people to create applications for Ubuntu, I think that resulted in 140 or so being submitted, there were some laptops as prizes (and a tshirt for everyone taking part) http://developer.ubuntu.com/ http://developer.ubuntu.com/showdown/ this is the kind of area where the effort is concentrated. Alan. -- I work at http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Museum outing
On 07/07/12 21:25, Bruno Girin wrote: On 20/06/12 23:43, Bruno Girin wrote: Hi all, Anybody fancy a geeky museum outing one weekend to go see the Codebreaker exhibition at the Science Museum? http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/visitmuseum/galleries/turing.aspx Right, so would Saturday 28th be a good date for such an outing? Cheers, Bruno sub optimal, you are busy :) http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1824/detail/ -- I work at http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Android
This will only really happen if Canonical and an OEM get together and put it on a phone, I don't think it will technically run on anything except that phone it was demoed on because it needs hardware virtualisation or something. I think it is a compelling product for an OEM because it answers the question why on earth do I need a quad core processor in a phone? which is a question the OEMs need an answer to so that they can sell new phones to people who already have a perfectly adequate phone. Alan. On 06/07/12 10:15, Dave Hanson wrote: Morning, Does anyone know what's happening with Ubuntu for Android? -- I work at http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu in india
tried clicking through to purchase any of those? On 22/06/12 09:16, Alan Pope wrote: Not true. They still sell Ubuntu laptops. I did a search just yesterday and found about 10 of their models where Ubuntu was an install option. http://search.euro.dell.com/results.aspx?s=genc=ukl=encs=k=ubuntucat=allx=0y=0 -- Libertus Solutions http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Museum outing
On 20/06/12 23:43, Bruno Girin wrote: Hi all, Anybody fancy a geeky museum outing one weekend to go see the Codebreaker exhibition at the Science Museum? http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/visitmuseum/galleries/turing.aspx Bruno I would be up for that, sounds fun! Alan. -- Libertus Solutions http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Summer BBQ
After the rain stops and before the snow starts I am confident that this years English Summer will happen. My prediction is that it will occur on 28th July and so to take advantage of this window of opportunity I am proposing to fire up the barbecue and invite you all round to my house for an Ubuntu summer geeknic. There will be a trampoline and possibly a paddling pool which can be enjoyed by short Ubuntu geeks in the afternoon. (Trampoline also available for tall geeks later). The location is Farnham, Surrey. To come along please hit the Register link on the loco portal page and email me off list for the exact address. http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1824/detail/ Alan. -- I work at http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] virtualbox problems
On 15/06/12 12:23, Liam Proven wrote: On 15 June 2012 07:23, richardlongforth1...@gmail.com wrote: can i install win 7 on virtualbox from an oem install disc? I got the to try linux and thought she could have windows in a virtual machine, but i think we might have got the wrong sort of disc. /Some/ OEM disks. On balance, probably not. Also, Win7 is a big, resource-thirsty OS. Go looking on isohunt.com or one of the other bittorrent indices for TinyXP - a very small, cut-down version of XP Pro. Absolutely ideal for VMs. Runs in about 70MB of RAM, although to be fair, once you have updated it and put some antivirus on it it's bigger. Still runs fast with room for an app or 2 in 512MB though. um, windows support isn't really what we do on this list, especially if that includes mention of questionable sources of said software that we don't support. Alan. -- Libertus Solutions http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] heads up - Secure Boot Problems for Linux Users Are Here Already
On 02/06/12 14:06, Nigel Verity wrote: Hi All If anybody can get a key from Verisign for $99 that makes a mockery of having secure boot in the first place. no, that isn't how it works at all. It is possible for some people to get a binary signed by Microsoft by paying $99 which goes to verisign. You don't get the key and it isn't clear who can do it and what binaries will get signed. We can take it as read that there are long term plans by Microsoft to tighten up the secure boot spec in the future in their favour. yup, on ARM. Devices running Windows 8 on ARM will be pre-bricked at the factory. To my mind, this first pass is just to establish the principle and getting all OEMs to adopt the spec. Making keys readily available will help MS to respond to legal challenges from non-tech savvy legislators. Possibly. I would imagine they are expecting and preparing for antitrust action. As a slightly pedantic point, legislators don't tend to make legal challenges. I suspect that the secure boot technology will be hacked pretty quickly enabling we enthusiasts to stay up and running. Having to apply a hack as a fundamental part of Linux installation will not exactly help with promoting wider adoption, though. disabling it on Intel isn't a hack, it would be a checkbox option in the place you currently call the BIOS. ARM would require a hack. Regards Nige -- Libertus Solutions http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] heads up - Secure Boot Problems for Linux Users Are Here Already
On 08/06/12 14:41, Dave Morley wrote: But only devices Running Windows, those running android linux etc by default would have the switch disabled they might do, or might have a Googley Android key. Come to that, there could be ARM devices with a Canonical key that can only ever run signed Ubuntu binaries. ARM could have lots of devices where the software and hardware are inseparable (bit like all the other embedded devices where the software is all on ROM, so not a massive change for the sector). Alan. -- I work at http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] thunderbird fonts
On 06/06/12 07:08, Norman Silverstone wrote: That's great with messages received, is it supposed to work with a message being written? Norman works with both for me Alan. -- I work at http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] thunderbird fonts
On 05/06/12 20:17, Norman Silverstone wrote: snip lots of stuff mostly not really about font sizes hold ctrl, twiddle with your mouse wheel. Alan. -- I work at http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Branded Ubuntu Disks
On 04/06/12 09:46, paul sutton wrote: For a few £UK you can send a bigish stack of cd's in fact for the cost of a 2nd class stamp you can get a few too. I am sure the weight for 1st and 2nd was at one time up to 100g, Paul no, there is a size restriction too, you must use 2nd large for something big enough for a CD. Otherwise the recipient has to go to the post office and pay £1.12 to collect it. Trust me on this. If you want a shiny new 12.04 CD then please do send me an email for the details of sending an SAE: http://ubuntu-uk.org/free-cds/ Alan. -- I work at http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] heads up - Secure Boot Problems for Linux Users Are Here Already
On 02/06/12 14:26, Andres Muniz wrote: I'm getting a bit confused now. http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/12368.html Everybody seems Does the fedora payment of $99 to verisign mean that the computer that could or could not have windows preinstalled will alow to install fedora and windows but not fedora derivatives? derivatives would be able to pay their own $99 (one off payment per distro it would appear) they might have to prove they will use it responsibly or something, I don't know. Alternatively other distros could instruct users to turn off secure boot. Would fedora users then have the hability to easily turn it off? turn what off? The ideal bit could be that fedora users could also avoid windows usrers in the grounds that it's probable source of malwar? avoiding windows users is an interesting strategy, not sure that would be easy to implement. Could linux foundation do the same for the servers? beause they can be cracked in a similar way? servers generally won't get the secure boot thing. Odd really because it kind of makes more sense to me in that context. -- Libertus Solutions http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Heads up: Fedora pays Microsoft
it will eventually affect everything on a new motherboard, including bare bones computers, system76 computers, the lot. Ubuntu can either also go with Microsoft as the gatekeeper and pay the $99 (which is trivial and in any event goes to verisign (which Mark Shuttleworth may or may not have an opinion about)) and/or get an Ubuntu (or Canonical) key on pre-installed systems (probably alongside a Microsoft key). Theoretically someone other than Microsoft could set up all the signing infrastructure and security (not cheap if you do it properly, worse than useless if you don't do it properly) and then do deals with every single OEM to get the signing key distributed. This isn't going to happen. The FSF or OSI or the Linux Foundation are arguably neutral enough, but lack resources, any one distro would be problematic. A body such as the EU or ISO or W3C or Apache Foundation would be interesting, but it isn't going to happen. Microsoft with their market dominant position is the only organisation in a position to be the gatekeeper to the market. Personally I think they should be forced to spin out the signing portal and put it in a foundation and change the key signing cost so that it is self funding and the key revocation power isn't in Microsoft's hands. I suspect they will be very very keen to be seen as a well behaved ethical player to avoid this happening. For ARM, it becomes even more locked down, if you get an ARM device with a pre-loaded Microsoft key it is bricked by design, there is no way to put better software on it. Alan. On 01/06/12 09:16, surfer wrote: Does this merely concern HP and Dell machines or will it affect my cuts price bare bones machines I order from Novatech? Patrick Mulvey -- Libertus Solutions http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lucid Update Manager not informing Me of LTS upgrade
On 04/05/12 19:59, Dave Morley wrote: You can do update-manager -d However I would wait till there is a clear upgrade path, or do a fresh install to get around it. um, do be careful not to accidentally overshoot and upgrade to Quantal Quetzal! upgrade-manager -d will show releases in development, which might not be what you are after. -- I work at http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Duplicate sources list
On 01/05/12 09:54, scoundrel50a wrote: Hi, have I been put on moderator approval? Just tried to send a message with an attachment to show you what I have in the software sources and got a message back saying the message is awaiting moderator approval no, but there is a size limit, please post the image somewhere and link to it. If you send a 300k image to 1000 people that takes up quite a bit of collective disk space! Alan. -- I work at http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Duplicate sources list
because I am nice, here it is: http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/screenshots/Screenshot%20from%202012-05-01%2009:46:55.png medibuntu has broken stuff in the past, not sure if that relates to your current issue. Alan. -- I work at http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Upgrading to 12.04 ....
On 29/04/12 22:54, alan c wrote: On 29/04/12 21:04, Alan Bell wrote: it says do you want to upgrade? and you can say yes or no to it. Clearly yes is the preferred option, but why shouldn't we encourage people to upgrade to new cool stuff that will make their experience better (which is the aim of it, sometimes that doesn't work out so well)? Why? because some regular users like my 80+ year old friend (sadly now no longer with us) easily confuse an up'date' with an up'grade'. Whereas updates are usually fairly safe, upgrades are not. that is the bit that needs fixing, an upgrade should be as safe as an update. I did have a problem with an upgrade to 12.04 around the time of alpha1 but I think that bug got fixed, I have not seen it on any other hardware. Upgrade and update sound similar and seem similar. They appear even in the same window in the same situation. they do sound a bit similar, but it isn't the same window at all, I don't see how it could be more different without going down the Windows route of not offering online upgrades and making you get a CD (if you are on an LTS we don't offer the upgrade until the next LTS is out) http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/upgradepics/offer.png http://people.ubuntu.com/~alanbell/upgradepics/confirm.png I was going to do more screenshots but my son got up early and found his laptop and pressed forward or next or confirm until it finished because he wanted to play games on CBBC. Some users are ordinary non technical people. Update or upgrade is all the same to them. One can consider that such ordinary human beings are, or are not, capable of using the first user account to have access to the admin level. My 92 year old relative, who only does online shopping and is closely administered by tech family members if changes are needed has a restricted account, but it is not appropriate for an independent active 84 year old who goes to windows club every week and uses Windows (was XP) routinely, and can and does expect to install stuff from say the ubuntu software centre when he needs to in his dual boot laptop. There are strong moves to make Ubuntu good for a vast user base, but many existing users are diy users like my 80+ friend, and in terms of a discussion list like this one, they are novices and do not know what, say, a partition is, like most Windows users don't. It is such users that will get tripped up by Upgrade vs Update. This is especially because the enthusiasm of our community and devs to encourage upgrades is aimed at the traditional enthusiast linux based os user, not the less competent joe or jane. Version upgrades are notified by default and the reason a health warning would be appropriate is because the least technical user is *likely* to fall for it, like my friend. well it is nice to get people upgraded because the new stuff is better. I wouldn't want to get into a situation where we leave people on old versions like people who bought a computer with Windows ME or Vista. Or will we move to a discussion about the wrong sort of leaves on the track or the wrong sort of users for Ubuntu, I trust not. It is the sort of thing which will hopefully get addressed before too long, now that unity is finding its feet. But it is an important type of issue and it is something which (Windows etc) are well versed at, although they have a knack of being condescending, and somehow untrustworthy. no, Ubuntu should be for all users, as should upgrades. This danger of 'relatively little knowledge' only exists in some areas, not all. Many aspects of Ubuntu really are very good for novices, I have many examples. However because the main user base currently has to self install, the less-technical end of this group can get trouble from information intended mostly for more experienced users. Not an upgrade situation: but a novice danger example was ubuntu 10.10 cd where one of the options for install caused loss of all the other partitions on the disc. This problem was a severe problem, but fortunately relatively few people chose the problem option. Of course, I did (!) and lost multiple OS's on the test machine, but then I had images. The problem remained unchanged throughout the life of 10.10. Even Mint had the same bug, they did not seem to think it important! My point here is that although such problems can be coped with by techy enthusiasts they are much more serious for novice but slightly adventurous Windows users, who have may have been encouraged by friends. that would be a release critical bug, and yes I know about that one and it is a heap easier to fix that before the CD images are created. That is why we want people to test the upgrades before release, if that one was found by someone before release it would have delayed the launch. The sort of trouble that some users can get themselves into - a type of user that we deliberately are aiming to increase in numbers - continues
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Upgrading to 12.04 - catering tor nontechnical users
On 30/04/12 12:20, a...@acockell.eclipse.co.uk wrote: Hi folks, Looking at those screenshots, there is one GLARING omission... the default radio button is YES - I do want to upgrade. With the risk for non-technical users, surely this should have the default radio button (which actions when you hit Return) set as NO. This way, upgrades are a deliberate action. Maybe YES should take the user into a warning page, Show me what I get stuff, and almost an Are you sure cycle with several backout options offered. Non-tech users shouldn't be left with Accept default option... 'hose' system. Much better to be warned This will replace your operating environment - are you sure? Are you REALLY sure? Then go to the Start upgrade/cancel page. well it doesn't hose the system, it upgrades it to newer and better stuff. I found out the hard way (useful about having a second partition running 10;04 alpha and main env running 9.10 production when I bought my netbook preinstalled from Linux Emporium) that on a laptop, you need to have the battery in and nothing connected - relying purely on the on-board pointers during an upgrade. This type of thing would need to be warned about - aka You appear to be upgrading on a laptop. Before starting the upgrade, please ensure the battery is in, and disconnect all USB devices, especially mice. well that simply isn't the case, I just completed an upgrade on a laptop that has a totally broken battery, it is only in for cosmetic reasons. It had a USB mouse plugged in, as does my other laptop I upgraded a while back. If there is a problem then it is better to file a bug and get the problem fixed rather than giving up and warning people about known problems. ... before kicking off... Consider the case of someone accepting upgrades onto a preinstalled machine. for OEM builds where Canonical is involved they will be tested by the OEM team. Linux emporium ones are not certified I think, so they just get tested by linux emporium and anyone who has got one who feels like testing it before the final images. -- I work at http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] How have I killed my system?
On 30/04/12 22:49, Gareth France wrote: On 30/04/12 22:44, Tony Pursell wrote: apt-cache search sense* Ok, now I'm really confused. That brought up damn near every package in the cache! Nothing looked promising but doing the same for scratch brought up: squeak-plugins-scratch and a few others but trying to remove: Package squeak-plugins-scratch is not installed, so not removed if it wasn't installed from the repositories you can't remove it using the repositories, but dpkg -r sense should do it. More info at http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/doc/debian/ch-dpkg.html amongst other places. Alan. -- I work at http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Update 2012- Re: Fwd: [Ossg-announcements] Adoption of Open Source across HM Government – London 22/02/11 and 01/03/11]]
On 24/04/12 23:12, Bruno Girin wrote: On 24/04/12 23:04, Andrés Muñiz Piniella wrote: El jue, 19-04-2012 a las 12:00 +, ubuntu-uk-requ...@lists.ubuntu.com escribió: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Update 2012- Re: Fwd: [Ossg-announcements] Adoption of Open Source across HM Government – London 22/02/11 and 01/03/11]] Fecha: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 09:35:19 +0100 Is anybody attending these? http://consultation.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/openstandards/events/ I guess today is a bit late for the first one. The last one left is this Friday in London. There will be another one because the moderator of the first one turned out to be engaged by Microsoft to advise them on their response to the consultation which was an undisclosed conflict of interests. http://www.computerweekly.com/blogs/public-sector/2012/04/proprietary-lobby-triumphs-in.html http://www.computerweekly.com/opinion/An-insiders-view-on-the-government-open-standards-consultation http://digital.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/2012/04/26/open-standards-consultation-important-update/ (hey is that a wordpress favicon?) something tells me the rerun of that session will be a bit different to the first round. Alan. -- I work at http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Broke my 112.04 installation
On 29/04/12 12:30, scoundrel50a wrote: Is there anyway I can reinstall/repair using terminal, so that I dont loose all the folders I have on the laptop? Rather than go through loads of questions..might be easier. one thing you could consider is a reinstall without formatting the disk, that will preserve the /home partition so all your folders should be fine. Do a backup first though, and you have been a bit vague about what the problem actually is so I don't know if it is a good or bad idea to do this. Alan. -- I work at http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Upgrading to 12.04 ....
On 29/04/12 18:55, Barry Drake wrote: I've spent quite a bit of time on Ubuntu Help today where exactly? as the questions were overwhelming the regular folk so I took a few on board. There are a vast number of folk who have virtually trashed their system by trying to do an upgrade. This is exactly the problem I had when upgrading my netbook, so I did a clean install. But I'm fairly paranoid about backups so this was easy. Can we press for much bigger warnings in future telling folk that if they go any further with the upgrade, they risk losing everything? it would be better to fix the problem The live-CD gives a low key warning of sorts, but the updater just gets on with it and thus trashes stuff. I think the word 'sorry' has got into more of my replies today than ever before. Regards,Barry. are these upgrades from 10.04 or 11.10? What problems are people having? Alan. -- Libertus Solutions http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Broke my 112.04 installation
On 29/04/12 18:53, scoundrel50a wrote: Hi, thanks for the reply, I am not sure what happened really, all I know is that I get that error I posted about earlier in another e-mail after getting past the grub..and it just hangscan I reinstall without formatting using the Terminal? you can use the alternate CD to do a text mode install, but I am not sure what advantage this would give you. All you need to do is use the normal live CD, but tell it not to format the partition, then it will install leaving /home alone Alan. -- I work at http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Upgrading to 12.04 ....
On 29/04/12 20:11, Bruno Girin wrote: I did. On two machines with no problem. I don't think upgrading to 12.04 is disastrous. I think two things are happening: 1. Ubuntu has a very wide user base with a lot of different configs so even if 1% of users have issues, it will appear as a very large number. another thing that is going on is that we are probably supporting more machines than before, so we might be adding 5 systems that wouldn't boot and work correctly before and breaking 1. You only get to hear about the 1. I have upgraded several machines to 12.04 without incident, they just got a bit faster. Alan. -- Libertus Solutions http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Upgrading to 12.04 ....
On 29/04/12 20:54, alan c wrote: On 29/04/12 18:55, Barry Drake wrote: I've spent quite a bit of time on Ubuntu Help today as the questions were overwhelming the regular folk so I took a few on board. There are a vast number of folk who have virtually trashed their system by trying to do an upgrade. This is exactly the problem I had when upgrading my netbook, so I did a clean install. But I'm fairly paranoid about backups so this was easy. Can we press for much bigger warnings in future telling folk that if they go any further with the upgrade, they risk losing everything? The live-CD gives a low key warning of sorts, but the updater just gets on with it and thus trashes stuff. I think the word 'sorry' has got into more of my replies today than ever before. Regards,Barry. Bad news Barry, thank you. I believe that a clear, offered option of some sort of backup as part of a preliminary to install or to version upgrade is an important missing feature. My guess is that few if any devs get vulnerable to the sort of issues a non techie Windows user faces. Most novices respond to a backup question with a blank look. well about the only thing we do actually know about people facing an upgrade is that they are not fresh from Windows and have been using Ubuntu for a bit! I am just doing an upgrade on my son's laptop, it popped up a dialog telling me there was an upgrade and a heap of stuff I didn't read. It then told me something about third party sources, but there was only a close button on that so I didn't have to understand it. What would be the point of adding a backup option if novices wouldn't take it? What would such an option do? Where would it back stuff up to? What would be the procedure for doing a restore from this backup? Would that reliably work? Use of a CD to install is probably daunting enough to warn off the less confident users, but the online upgrade is SO beguiling, and is also very assertively advertised, that vulnerable novices can make significant mistakes or worse. it says do you want to upgrade? and you can say yes or no to it. Clearly yes is the preferred option, but why shouldn't we encourage people to upgrade to new cool stuff that will make their experience better (which is the aim of it, sometimes that doesn't work out so well)? I know that one vulnerable guy I helped did a version upgrade by mistake when all he thought he doing was a regular update. It had unfortunate consequences, it was going from Kubuntu (kde2) to Kubuntu (kde3) and the gui shock he experienced - with me not being present to help or explain - was enough to keep him away from K/Ubuntu and he quietly then stayed on Windows from then onwards. yes, but the upgrade worked, he just didn't get on with the new features he upgraded to. As Ubuntu rolls out to a greatly expanded user base, I believe it is important to show a more prudent face about version upgrades - and installs. In a related experience, I am still aware that a while back, the Wubi based Ubuntu systems were occasionally vulnerable to some grub updates (grub2 maybe? less so for grub 1), for some reason, I am not sure what. But a non booting Wubi system is not something I would want a novice to risk, and afaik, wubi is *aimed* at novices. I sometimes check what the latest information is about this weakness, and I think it still exists. Unfortunately, I know people who have chosen to use a wubi install, and treat it as if it is enduring, not a temporary easy trial. I do hope they have a backup. yeah, wubi is a bit of a worry, unfortunately with bad practices of using all 4 primary partitions by OEMs it remains one of the easiest ways to get Ubuntu to coexist with Windows on a single drive for people who want that. -- Libertus Solutions http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Gcompris and Unity
On 22/04/12 08:51, Andres Muniz wrote: For some time i was using gcompris erase program (with my toddler most of the tome). Consists of moving a sponge that erases white squares that are overlayed an image. With unity these squares never quite removed leaving some leftovers. Today i moved to unity2D and it worked fine. i'm using ubuntu 11.10. Is it a gcompris problem, unity problem or nvidia problem? nvidia Should I wait for ubuntu 12.04? don't wait, upgrade today! Should i look into installing a more up to date gcompris (compile from source or something?) I wouldn't. I would go for the packaged version in 12.04 first. I doubt the problem is directly in gcompris anyway, it will just be triggering a bug in the nvidia drivers. Alan. -- Libertus Solutions http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Code of Conduct changes
The Ubuntu Code of Conduct is one of the founding principles of the project, you can read it in full here: http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/conduct There is also a leadership code of conduct which is here: http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/leadership-conduct These are being updated and merged so there will be just one, and here is the draft of it http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~sabdfl/ubuntu-codeofconduct/v2-draft/view/head:/MergedCodeOfConduct.txt there is an article about the change http://fridge.ubuntu.com/2012/04/16/code-of-conduct-update/ and if you have any feedback on it please do get in touch with the Community Council via Laura Czajkowski Alan. -- The Open Learning Centre is rebranding, find out about our new name and look at http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 12.04 CD pre-orders
On 14/04/12 16:31, Bill Baker wrote: Alan, would it be accwptable to ask for one purely on the basis that when saying you really ought to try this to those I'm trying to convert - it is more convincing / professional to show a cd from a professonal covered CD wrapper? After all - many years ago - that's how I got here. It worked for me - and still works for others - break the barrier convince of the goodness! If an acceptable reason for nicking one our copies I will gladly spend the postage etc. Regards, Bill B. [SuperEngineer] -- -Registered Linux User 523667- -Registered Ubuntu User 32366- -Free as in Freedom-- absolutely fine, I am more than happy to stuff an envelope with as many as will fit for you to hand out. Anyone who has an organized means to hand out lots of them can ask for a box of 75 (folk who do computer fairs, have a shop or work in a university or whatever, just tell me how you are going to get them distributed and you can have them) Alan. -- The Open Learning Centre is rebranding, find out about our new name and look at http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Update 2012- Re: Fwd: [Ossg-announcements] Adoption of Open Source across HM Government – London 22/02/11 and 01/03/11]]
On 14/04/12 16:13, Norman Silverstone wrote: big snip Update 2012: Proprietary lobby triumphs in first open standards showdown http://www.computerweekly.com/blogs/public-sector/2012/04/proprietary-lobby-triumphs-in.html -- Is this not yet another example of the ineptness of the present Government and its subservience to big business. Norman not really, the government set up the consultations announced them, some people turned up from the open standards community, lots of people turned up from the proprietary companies (including people being flown in from America to attend) http://consultation.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/openstandards/events/ Round tables 3 and 2 have not happened yet, please do try to turn up if you can (I know it is hard if you don't have someone paying you to go). The outcome of all this won't be decided on a show of hands from the round table meetings, they just want feedback from those. The very best thing you can do whilst sat in the comfort of your own home or office is to fill out the consultation form: http://consultation.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/openstandards/question1/ http://consultation.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/openstandards/question2/ http://consultation.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/openstandards/question3/ you can see on this the links to see what others have said. All responses to the consultation will be published (I will do a freedom of information request for the ones that are not published on the website when the consultation closes) and you can see that the general consensus of the published written responses is decidedly in favour of real open standards. If you are confused about what the fuss is all about, it is whether open standard should be allowed to contain patents that are licensed under FRAND terms. FRAND stands for the excellent sounding Fair Reasonable and Non Discriminatory but this is a big problem. The theory is that you can have a patent in an open standard that requires a modest payment to the license holder. So for example, lets take a fictional video format called MPVC which is just wonderful at compressing pictures of lots of people, but it bears a royalty of £0.01 per user. Sounds fine, it doesn't cost much, people can make set-top boxes and pay their penny, parliament streams in MPVC and mandates the use of MPVC for various other things. Now if someone wants to write an MPVC decoder and distribute it as Free Software under the GPL they can't because they can't count the users and make the payment to the license holder. This is a real means for proprietary companies to block competition from Free Software. There is more about this here and elsewhere on the web: http://opensource.com/law/11/1/open-standards-and-royalty-problem Go fill out that consultation. I did, you can read my responses on the website. Alan. -- The Open Learning Centre is rebranding, find out about our new name and look at http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Youtube colour is wrong
On 12/04/12 11:51, Liam Proven wrote: Thanks for this! I've had exactly the same problem but weirdly only YT was affected - all other video-streaming sites were OK. The Flash settings dialog was unresponsive for me, but accessing it in fullscreen mode worked. Which reminds me - does anyone know why fullscreen mode isn't, but is usually only slightly bigger than the large-video view? Is it a side-effect of dual-head operation? I'm on an nVidia GeForce 230 with 2 dissimilar CRTs, 19 + 21. yes, it is a bug and as it is in flash it can't be fixed. If you use the pop out viewer you can make that full screen and it works. I never realized until recently that it ever worked, but apparently if you have similar screens or only one screen then it works without fiddling. -- Libertus Solutions http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] 12.04 CD pre-orders
Hi all, I am now accepting pre-orders for CDs of the Ubuntu 12.04 release. Please email me off-list for the address to send your stamped addressed envelope and I will put these to one side and send out CDs as soon as I get them. CDs are free, you just pay for postage both ways (two second large stamps) Alan. -- The Open Learning Centre is rebranding, find out about our new name and look at http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 12.04 CD pre-orders
On 10/04/12 10:46, James Thomas wrote: Are there going to be any knocking around at the Release Party? Cheers JT not official printed ones, the final image that gets pressed is only ready on release day, they then get manufactured, normally in Holland and shipped over. Alan. -- Libertus Solutions http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Worrying article
On 09/04/12 09:24, Bill Baker wrote: This has appeared on Linux Today site: Should you be worried about Ubuntu Desktop's privacy settings? LinuxBSDos: I hope that I am wrong, but your new Ubuntu system could be used to spy on you. http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2012-04-09-002-41-SC-UB Should someone [in a position to do be authoritative on the reply] actually respond or reply to the article I wonder? That whole article appears to be a journalist saying I have no idea what this stuff is. This is a bit sad as the journalist in question could have actually done some finding out, and then explained to the readership what it was rather than publishing a content free article. Ubuntu has something in it called zeitgeist. This tracks lots of stuff you do with the objective of making the computer better able to anticipate what you are going to do next and be more helpful about it. Quite a lot of applications in the file menu show recently used files. This is tracking you, but most rational people don't see it that way. The privacy control now allows you to control this kind of thing - and opt out. You should not be worried that there are privacy controls available. You should be worried about operating systems and devices that *don't* have privacy controls built in. In terms of stuff submitted to Canonical, this is crash traces that get automatically added to bugs (Windows has a submit to Microsoft button when things crash - but in that case it vanishes inside Redmond never to be seen again rather than on a public bug report you can view yourself) Alan -- The Open Learning Centre is rebranding, find out about our new name and look at http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Worrying article
On 09/04/12 11:20, Steve wrote: The problem is not with the journalist but, Ubuntu. The explanations as to what is going on with these settings can best be described as vague. Until Alan's explanation I wasn't sure what they're for. I've submitted a bug #977106 to LP if people would like to add to it. well apart from tossing in the word zeitgeist (which nobody really understands and would be called jargon or gobbledygook geek stuff by most people) I don't really see what my explanation added over the default text that is on the screenshots and there to be read. What was the bit I said that was helpful compared to what is there already? Alan. -- Libertus Solutions http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Reading meetup tomorrow evening
On 28/03/12 18:05, Matthew Daubney wrote: Who'll be along? I should be there for a bit, but might have to vanish to collect the missus from some work do, but am looking forward to seeing people again! -Matt Daubney I am going to try to arrange things to get there, my travel plans may be a bit complex though! -- Libertus Solutions http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Precise Pangolin Release Party - London, 26th April
On 28/03/12 19:13, Andres Muniz wrote: Paid for snacks and drinks? Really? yes, but I have no idea how much will be provided If we don't make it by 18:30hrs would we still be able to join? of course -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Precise Pangolin Release Party - London, 26th April
Hi all, I am very pleased to announce that we are joining forces with Canonical for the Ubuntu 12.04 release party! * Venue: Bar Soho (http://www.barsoho.co.uk/) * Date Time: 26 April, from 6.30pm * Drinks and light snacks will be provided For more information and to confirm your attendance, please visit http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1624/detail/ Alan. -- The Open Learning Centre is rebranding, find out about our new name and look at http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity launcher ....
On 25/03/12 10:48, scoundrel50a wrote: I am glad that he has been helpful to you, but this thread has shown a different side, one that says, if you dont like it go elsewhere, is that helpful, that is effectively telling people he has no time for them, that isnt consistent.if he keeps saying that people will start going elsewhere..is that what you really want? as long as people keep using and contributing to Free Software it is all good. If you want Ubuntu to go in a particular direction there is very little stopping you from actually dragging it in the direction you want to go. Really. Participate remotely online in the developer summit that is coming up in May, get involved in the various project mailing lists and IRC channels, attend the meetings of the teams that are making the decisions in these things etc. If some other distribution happens to be going the way you want to go then by all means tag along with that. At the last UDS I think Mark made the point that the opinions of those who contribute to the project are valued a lot more than the opinions of people who just use Ubuntu and have an opinion. Unity is quite extendable in different ways and the documentation on it is improving all the time, you can read all about it here: http://developer.ubuntu.com/ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity if you want to do interesting things and influence the direction then you can. If you are just along for the ride, relax and enjoy it. Alan. -- Libertus Solutions http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity launcher ....
On 23/03/12 21:06, Daniel Case wrote: I'm not saying don't evolve, just evolve in a way that most users agree is a good idea, so how do we define what most users want? Perhaps by doing rather a lot of user testing http://davidplanella.wordpress.com/2011/08/02/looking-for-testers-in-london/ https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2011-April/032988.html http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/11/user-testing-of-unity-reveals-some-surprising-results/ this does of course lead to certain problems when they don't give the users time to sober up first https://bugs.launchpad.net/ayatana-design/+bug/764905 but in the main it seems a reasonable approach. I thought that was the aim of Linux? not really, Linux is just the kernel. Who's driving the development course here? The users or canonical? the contributors to the project, which is mostly but not exclusively Canonical. Why would you think that the users drive the development course? -- Libertus Solutions http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Unity launcher ....
On 23/03/12 20:16, Hakan Koseoglu wrote: soap box Treating users as idiots is not a policy, it's a mistake. As soon as I find a distribution worth installing everywhere, I'll be switching. Mint doesn't cut the mustard. I'm a Kubuntu/Lubuntu user on desktop and Ubuntu server but I don't want to anymore, I don't want to have anything with Ubuntu products. I know the PR spin, it's to make new users' life easy yada yada yada. But the new users don't discover Linux all by themselves, in most cases someone shows them and I don't want to show and talk about Ubuntu to anyone anymore. /soap box ok, well as long as you are still using Free Software it is all good. The dodge thing was something Mark Shuttleworth really liked too, but when they did lots of user testing and watched the videos of people being confused by it they dropped the concept. there is more about the decision here https://lists.launchpad.net/unity-design/msg07835.html Alan -- Libertus Solutions http://libertus.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] [UKUUG-Announce] OSSG HMG Desktop Event
really interesting sounding event at the BCS in London coming up for those interested in public sector use of Free Software. Steve Lamb from Microsoft is actually a nice chap, and there are speakers from the Free Software Foundation, Canonical and Red Hat On 22/03/12 10:36, Jane Morrison wrote: Looking into the Future of HMG Desktop/Client side computing – London 04/04/12 http://ossg.bcs.org/2012/04/04/ The BCS Open Source Specialist Group (OSSG) will be holding a detailed event around the future of HM Government Desktop/Client side computing at the BCS Central London Offices, First Floor, The Davidson Building, 5 Southampton Street, London WC2E 7HA (http://www.bcs.org/upload/pdf/london-office-guide.pdf) on Wednesday 4th April 2012, from 1000 to 1700 hours. Rationale for this event With HM Government looking with renewed vigour at its computer systems and in particular what benefits open source may bring, this event intends to take a detailed look at what HMG Desktop/Client side computing may consist of in the near future. For example should it be based primarily around web services where accessible would not be platform dependent so that for instance Civil Servants can load whatever operating system they like on to an HMG funded laptop. Alternatively could the future follow more closely the success (http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/limux-munich-linux-migration-project- reports-success) of the City of Munich using the Limux operating system based around Ubuntu Linux 10.10 or perhaps should some form of rigidly controlled thin client system running off of blade servers be used. Another possible way forward is through the use of what has been termed the ‘Jigsaw approach’ where business applications are all fully vendor independent of each other and can be swapped from one product to another with relative ease. For instance one Office Suite or Browser product might be used for say 6 months and therefore form part of the HMG desktop for that period of time, but can easily be changed for another product after that period of time. This bookable event is free and open to all with buffet and refreshments. To book a place to attend please email Mark Elkins at mark_elk...@bcs.org Speakers Paul Adams, Strategy for migrating from Windows to the Free Desktop Gerry Gavigan, Chair, Open Source Consortium (OSC), http://www.opensourceconsortium.org Chris Kenyon, Vice President, Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) Services, Canonical http://www.canonical.com/about-canonical/overview/management-team Steve Lamb, Open Source Strategy Lead, Microsoft UK. Steve works with Open Source developers, communities and business leaders to enable encourage a growing ecosystem of Open Source projects on Microsoft technologies including Windows Azure. Steve is a technologist with solid business and communications experience who’s worked at Microsoft for the last ten years with the previous ten being specialised in UNIX. He thrives on breaking down unnecessary barriers, working with amazing people to understand complicated problems and helping communities be more successful. He has paid great attention to cloud technologies (and social media) for many years. Steve has spoken at major conferences around Europe including TechEd – he’s not “a speaker” by trade. Event Abstract: Hands up who’d like to use a computer that takes forever to boot, is inflexible, obsolete and expensive? Anyone? No I thought not! Sadly this is the reality for users of the current HMG standard desktop. It really doesn’t have to be this way. My peers will present a range of alternative Open Source platforms. Open Source runs REALLY WELL on Windows Client, Server and in the (Azure) cloud. A MODERN version of Windows can give a MUCH BETTER experience though changing the desktop Operating System is only part of the solution. Having a sensible configuration is critical. Keeping it up to date is key. Keeping costs down is important. Freeing people to work HOW THEY WORK BEST is critical. LinuxIT http://www.linuxit.com/ Darian Lyons, Elefire, Ltd. London Tariq Rashid, Lead Architect HOIT Technology Solutions Assurance, Home Office, HM Government, explaining the “jigsaw” model and its suggested benefits. Sam Tuke is UK Coordinator for the Free Software Foundation Europe (FSFE). He has been using, developing, and promoting Free Software since 2003, organised and spoken at conferences in Sweden, Britain, and Germany, and is currently working on the Document Freedom Day 2012 campaign for Open Standards. Event Abstract: Public bodies in Europe and beyond are making use of Free Software in a major way. From Munich City Council, to the schools and universities of Brazil, to the local authorities of Belgium, Free Software is providing new solutions in highly competitive public sector markets. Sam will introduce the most interesting of these deployments, and discuss why Free Software was chosen in each case and what benefits it
