Re: [ubuntu-uk] What would Linus Pauling think about 'Linux Certified'?

[Jim Kissel]

Norman Silverstone wrote:
 We are the borg. You will be assimilated.

>>> Now, now you are starting to show your age.
>> That's a bit unfair, TNG is on heavy rotation on Bravo, Virgin 1, et al
>> all the time :)
> 
> My humble apologies, the wonders of 'cable' I presume and the shortage
> of good SF?

There is some good SF available?  I must live a sheltered life.  The SF 
I've been exposed to on the small screen seems to be "Cowboys and 
Indians" c1950 Hollywood.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] copying 34gig to a FAT32 external hard drive -- 3 hours?

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doug livesey wrote:
> Surely that can't be right?
> I'm running Jaunty on a Macbook 3,1 w/ 2gig RAM -- hardly the most recent
> machine, but still!
> This isn't a one-off, though -- copying to this drive is always slow
> (currently 3.2 MB/Sec).
> Is there something I'm not doing right?
> Something I should set or unset?
> Should I reformat the drive? It's fine under OSX. I wanted FAT32 so that I
> could use any OS to access it.
> Cheers,
>Doug.
IIRC, FAT32 is limited to 2G, or it was the last time I was forced to 
use this format, but that was more than 10 years ago.  I could be wrong. 
  My memory could be wrong.  YMMV

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Netbooks loosing Linux for Windows 7

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John wrote:
> Has anybody seen this today? It seems MS is at it again.

Because of the multi-value nature of the English language, your 
statement does have more than one interpretation.  Since the web site 
referenced in the URL contains a graphic that reads C:\Blog.exe  I'll 
take anything posted on it with a Imperial gallon of FUD.  YMMV

> 
> http://www.lockergnome.com/blade/2009/05/12/netbooks-goodbye-linux-hello-windows-7/
> 

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Chess Tournament?

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Johnathon Tinsley wrote:
> Hello All,
> 
> For any chess lovers in ubuntu-uk, would you like a tournament?
> 
> Using an online correspondence chess service, like chrss.co.uk, or
> yahoo's online chess system?
> 
> Johnathon

Is there a similar service for Go with a Linux Go board?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] new arm notebooks

[Jim Kissel]

Liam Proven wrote:
> 2009/2/21 Andrew Oakley :
>> Paul Sutton wrote:
>>> http://www.notebooks.com/2009/01/07/new-generation-of-netbooks-199-and-299-eight-hour-battery-sexy-design/
>> Interesting, but the Intel Atom x86-based Asus Eee 901 can already
>> provide 8 hours of battery life. I've got one, and it really does.
> 
> Only with an extended battery, driving up both the price and weight.
> The standard battery in the cheap ones gives about 2-3h, on a par with
> most of the cheap subnotebooks.

The "standard" battery is 5800ma.  You CAN get 5-6 hours if the screen 
isn't too bright and you don't try to run a HSDPA dongle/Bluetooth/Wifi

> 
>> Whilst I know Canonical are producing an ARM netbook distro of Ubuntu,
>> it'll be interesting to see whether the other things that we
>> all-too-often rely on, such as Adobe Flash, will be compiled for ARM.
>> Trying to sell a netbook to the hip'n'trendy young professional market,
>> that doesn't play Youtube, will be a difficult venture.
> 
> Er, did you RTFA? They make a point of mentioning this in the piece.
> 

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] How to write a Linux virus in 5 easy steps?

[Jim Kissel]

Michael Holloway wrote:
> On Tue, 2009-02-10 at 22:14 +, alan c wrote:
>> I trust it will not be long before I can feel just a little safer? 
>> comments welcomed.
> 
> 
> Personally, I would say that this is a very long article stating that
> social engineering is platform independent. Anybody can stick a bash
> script/binary/.exe on their blog saying "convert all your music to
> smaller files" or something. somewhere in the middle there is a wget and
> a sudo (or whatever the platform), and a lot of people blindly type in
> the password. Even if the source is available, 99% of people wont look.
> 
Well said.  The weakest link in "any" security system is the user.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] EeePC 900A vs Acer Aspire One

[Jim Kissel]

Rob Beard wrote:
> Hi folks,
> 
> Okay so all this talk of Windows free laptops got me thinking about 
> plumping for a cheapo netbook to tide me over until next year when I can 
> afford something a bit more powerful.
> 
Most of the latest generation of netbooks have 1.6 Ghz Atom processors 
of which Intel's Otellini says: "...the Atom processor, which packs the 
power of a PC-class processor from six years ago..."

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/products/2008-05-28-otellini-intel_N.htm

And if you check wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_4 the 
"Northwood" is the chip of 2002.

I feel this is a fair estimation of the Atom's ability.  Personal 
experience with the 701 and 901 leads me to believe the Celeron in the 
701 has a slight edge over the Atom in the 901.  I don't have any stats 
to back this up other than the 701 boots faster than the 901.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT: Monitors

[Jim Kissel]

>> Thanks for the pointers - any thoughts on Viewsonix or LG (I think it was)
>> monitors?
> 
I think well of my Viewsonic 201B.  160x1200, 20.1 inch  After of 4 
years of daily use, the only fault is one pixel stuck on Red.  BTY, I 
use to have my task bar at the top.  It's now on the bottom and 
auto-hides.  It took about 4 months before the "shadow" of the task bar 
faded from the top of the screen.  One last think, todays 201 is less 
that 50% the price of my original.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Question: where do you find apps?

[Jim Kissel]

John Levin wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> A question for you all, one that's been exercising me: where do you find 
> out about applications?
> Do you read about them on the net or in mags, think it sounds 
> interesting, then look it up in synaptic?
> If you have a particular need (say, cataloguing pdfs), how would you go 
> about finding a suitable app? How would you google, where would you ask?
> If after searching, you have a large choice of apps, how would you 
> choose between them? Would you test them all? To what sort of depth?
> 
Start with Applications -> Add/Remove
word or mouth
sometimes magazines or on-line reviews

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Advice re 8.04 server edition

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Mac wrote:
> I'm thinking of having a go at setting up a file server and music server 
> using 8.04 LTS.  Being a cautious type, I've been investigating what 
> might go wrong (forewarned is forearmed!).  I came across the comments 
> below (slighted edited) from someone who's reasonably tech-savvy, and 
> wondered if folks here could give me some guidance on whether the 
> comments are true and how much hassle someone new to servers (=me!) 
> would have with the installation.
> 
> 
> "On the other hand, I built a Ubuntu server last weekend. Here's a
> selection of the things which caused me grief out of the box:
> * No CPU power saving enabled
> * No fanspeed control installed
> * Needed to set noatime to allow discs to spin down (and had to set
> discs to spin down!)
> * Had to compile a upnp server from source, which took a few goes to
> get right
> * No automatic updates by default (!!) - had to install and configure
> cron-apt
> * cron-apt needed a working mail environment so then had to get exim
> working , and then smtp auth, etc etc (that took a while)
> 
> I'm sure there was more I'm forgetting, but you get the idea. Now not
> all of this is needed for everyone (though I would imagine much of it
> is), and of course next time I need to build a box it'll go much
> quicker as I know what I'm doing. But I always smile when people who
> are clearly very knowledgeable in a field exclaim how it's so easy
> anyone could do it - we forget what we're good at!"
> 
> 
> I don't know whether I need to control CPU speed and fan speed or 
> install a upnp server (??);  but automatic updates and having the discs 
> spin down seem fairly basic requirements.  And it sounds like the guy 
> above had a lot of hassle to set up automatic updates.
> 
> Any thoughts??
> 
The "problems" seem about what I would expect for a server install. 
Spin down disk on a server - no thanks.  It's a server and I expect 7x24 
service.

If you want a server that behaves like a desktop, install a desktop 
distro, and add the server bits you want.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Rules

[Jim Kissel]

James Dalley wrote:
> Hiya,
> 
> I know there was talk about a monthly info email of how to post, so here is 
> my bug bear:
> 
> Top Posting, I know it's sad about arguing how to argue or the like, but when 
> people top post it's like saying hear me first
>  
> then see whats gone on before. May be sad to some people but I like to follow 
> a thread chronologically rather than any which way but loose.

One sugar and some milk.

 >How do you take it?

 >>Yes please.

 >>>Would you like a cup of coffee?

> 
> Jay
> 
> 
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Anyone here into low-level stuff?

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James Grabham wrote:
> OK, so a couple of nights ago, someone from my LUG gave me a few old-ish
> books ('90s), anyway, theres a beginers guide to Assembly Language there.  I
> started reading, and the first 3 chapters are just about Computer Science,
> and It's really interesting, Im learning about octal and hex, and other
> maths stuff as well.  Id always though low-level stuff would be really
> boring...  guess I was wrong.
> 

Ah! front-panel switches and status lights, Iloaders in octal, PDP-8's
Then they started using  bit slice 2900 series and you needed $8,000 
worth of scope just to see the info on a single rail!  I gave it all up 
when they quit usisng 7400 series TTL only to have a small re-match in 
the mid-80's with some 68k device drivers.

I remember well...fall back to sleep.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Commercial Support

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Chris Rowson wrote:
> Hi people,
> 
> I was checking out this page http://www.ubuntu.com/support/paid and I wonder
> if anyone could explain it more fully to me?
> 
> The prices for server support, $2750 (USD) for 24x7 support
> 
> If I had ten servers, would that support fee cover me for advice on all ten
> of my ubuntu servers, or would I have to pay $27,500?

It's not very clear from their schedule, but I would suspect that you 
would have to pay $27.5k for 10 servers.  That's the way it works with 
RH or at least it did the last time I went down that route.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Capitalising on XP's demise

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Paul Mellors wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Mar 2008 15:44:48 +
> Josh Blacker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
>> Hi everyone,
>>
[[bigsnip]]
>>
>> Anyway, I just thought I'd put this out there for the list to think
>> about. Any feedback/suggestions/discussion would of course be
>> appreciated.
>>
>> All the best,
>> Josh
>>
>>
>> [1]
>> http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9070119&pageNumber=1
>> [2] http://crunchbang.org/archives/2008/01/25/random-ubuntu-advocacy/ 
>>
>>
> 
> This type of stuff really gets on my tits, no offence Josh :)  But stop
> fricking MS bashing, if you don't want to use MS products don't, but
> there are people out there that do so let em.
> 
+1

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Fct or Fiction. Survelance Paranoia

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C L Chatfield wrote:
> I don't buy into "If you haven't done anything wrong then what have you got 
> to worry about"
> What if "they" decide to do something wrong (which they do all the time).
> 
> Is it true that the intel chip (and presumably AMD) has a unique identifier 
> that can
> be transmitted, and if so does Linux protect against this?

Yes:http://schneier.com/essay-187.html
No protection if you run spyware on Linux  ;-)


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Compartmentalising us

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Alan Pope wrote:
> http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3723131
> 
> I'd say I'm "Mainstream Advocate", how about you?

Microsoft hating, Bargain hunting, Open Source Programmer, that is a 
Soft/Mainstream Advocate

as R.A.H. said, "specialization if for insects."
> 
> Cheers,
> Al.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Asus PC with Ubuntu pre-installed and 2GB ram

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Chris Rowson wrote:
>> Chris Rowson wrote:
>>> On 11/24/07, Alan Pope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 On Sat, Nov 24, 2007 at 05:20:51PM +, James Grabham wrote:
> If I get one, I was thinking f putting different OSs on SD cards,
> Ubuntu on one, win 2000 on another etc, is this feasable?  Would it be
> slow?
>
 Yes. Not sure SD cards are not ideal for running an OS off of. They aren't
 quick and will not last long with many write operations.

 Cheers,
 Al.
>>> I did wonder about that. This PC uses a solid state drive. Is that not
>>> similar to an SD card and hence will fail after x amount of write
>>> operations?
>> Basic technology of SD cards, USB thumb drives, and SSDs are similar and
>> all failures after x writes, although SSD with ware-leveling have
>> predicted life spans in excess of HDD or so the Internet tells me.
>>
>> It's a big subject.  Here are a few references to be getting on with.
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_memory_cards
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_card
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_drive
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_flash_drive
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid-state_drive
>>
>> Just don't expect a £5.99 1G USB thumb drive to have similar life span
>> and responsiveness to a $999.00 64G SSD recently announced.
>>
> Cool, interesting stuff there. I never knew that you could buy drop in
> replacement 2.5" solid state drives. I guess that if the eee is using
> the same type of thing, you could (if you needed more space or your
> SSD broke) just put in a standard laptop hard drive then?
> 
You could except I doubt you can find sufficient space inside a eee 
case.  From the photos I've seen the SSD consists for 4 soldered in 
chips.  Much smaller than a 2.5 in drive, SSD or otherwise.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Asus PC with Ubuntu pre-installed and 2GB ram

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Chris Rowson wrote:
> On 11/24/07, Alan Pope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Sat, Nov 24, 2007 at 05:20:51PM +, James Grabham wrote:
>>> If I get one, I was thinking f putting different OSs on SD cards,
>>> Ubuntu on one, win 2000 on another etc, is this feasable?  Would it be
>>> slow?
>>>
>> Yes. Not sure SD cards are not ideal for running an OS off of. They aren't
>> quick and will not last long with many write operations.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Al.
> 
> I did wonder about that. This PC uses a solid state drive. Is that not
> similar to an SD card and hence will fail after x amount of write
> operations?

Basic technology of SD cards, USB thumb drives, and SSDs are similar and 
all failures after x writes, although SSD with ware-leveling have 
predicted life spans in excess of HDD or so the Internet tells me.

It's a big subject.  Here are a few references to be getting on with.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_memory_cards
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_card
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flash_drive
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_flash_drive
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid-state_drive

Just don't expect a £5.99 1G USB thumb drive to have similar life span 
and responsiveness to a $999.00 64G SSD recently announced.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Asus PC with Ubuntu pre-installed and 2GB ram

[Jim Kissel]

James Grabham wrote:
> If I get one, I was thinking f putting different OSs on SD cards,
> Ubuntu on one, win 2000 on another etc, is this feasable?  Would it be
> slow?
> 
> I want to keep the 15s boot OS
> 

I've run Ubuntu 7.04 (Gnome) on a VIA 600 Mhz PII with  512M of memory 
and a relatively small HDD with what I consider reasonable response. 
So..I would expect that Ubuntu will run reasonable well on the Asus 
701.  Where you will take is hit, if you are rolling you own, is the the 
need to run the ndiswrapper for Wifi, and you need to make sure 
ATIME/ATIMEDIR are disabled in your kernel.  I expect it will take more 
than 15s to boot Ubuntu/Gnome on the 701.

BTY you can order a 701 with Ubuntu pre-installed:
http://efficientpc.co.uk/laptops/eeepc701b-ubuntu/

I can't possible comment on Win2000 on the Asus as I went from NT4.0 SP6 
to RH 7.0. Since then, my only regress into the Microsoft world was to 
boot XP on an old laptop to run U3_UNINSTALL.EXE on a USB thumb disk I 
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Asus PC with Ubuntu pre-installed and 2GB ram

[Jim Kissel]

Philip Newborough wrote:
> On Nov 24, 2007 9:38 AM, Alan Pope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Just noticed that Efficient PC are selling Asus Eee PCs with a 2GB RAM
>> upgrade and Ubuntu pre-installed. Looks like a nice deal.
>>
>> http://efficientpc.co.uk/laptops/eeepc701b-ubuntu/
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Al.
> 
> I wish you guys would stop posting about this machine, every time I
> read about it it gets more difficult to resist ordering one! :D
> 

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Asus PC with Ubuntu pre-installed and 2GB ram

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Alan Pope wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 24, 2007 at 10:25:44AM +, Pete Stean wrote:
>> The price is a bit silly though... $1 does not equal £1, especially
>> not at the moment   :|
>>
> 
> Not quite sure what you're on about there, but the EeePC is 400 USD in the 
> US, and 200 GBP (roughly) in the UK, that's pretty much 2:1 which is funnily 
> enough what the exchange rate is right now.

Alan,

224.19 UKP == 461.135 USD at current rates
(source: http://www.xe.com/ucc/convert.cgi)
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Asus Eee PC video review

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Tom Bamford wrote:
> I like it, it's a nice piece of kit for the money, especially if you 
> factor in a built-in 3G modem/phone. If you're looking to splash out a 

No build in 3G modem/phone in the Asus 701.  There may/may not be a 
mini-PCI slot which there may be a 3G modem "Upgrade". Rumour has it 
that the White 7a series have the card slot and the 7b and Black 701's 
don't.  I would have to void the warranty to find out, don't expect me 
to take a screwdriver to mine in the next couple of weeks ;-)

> few more notes (say 2-3 times the price) one of my friends has just got 
> a Toshiba Libretto u100 running Ubuntu. Despite being about the same 
> size as the Eee (although a bit thicker granted) it's a P4 equivalent 
> with 1GB ram, 64mb graphics, Wifi, bluetooth and a 1280x768-capable 7 
> inch widescreen - you can't even see individual pixels it's so good.



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Asus Eee PC video review

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Alan Pope wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 22, 2007 at 02:13:32PM +, Andrew Loughran wrote:
>> Is there a way to download the OS of the EEE PC?
>>
> 
> Unlikely given Xandros is payware.
> 
> I guess if you have an Eee PC there will be a recovery CD with it?

The DVD that comes with it has a linuxiso on it, so I would guess that 
you could install Xandros from it, but there are a fair few number of 
.exe, .ini, and .dll files, plus a drivers directory suggesting the 
stuff needed to support XP maybe?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] eee PC, was Serious Advice

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Alan Pope wrote:

>>> Then maybe I'll buy the 10" version when it comes out next year for
>>> myself :)
>> I too would like a 10" version, though I'm not prepared to wait till the 
>>   next of forever to get my hands on one.  Dabs just delivered my 701 
>> Thursday afternoon.  My initial impression of the 701 is it much nicer 
>> than the Classmate.  Better (bigger) keyboard.  The case build quality 
>> seems better.
>>
> 
> I'm surprised you say the build quality is better. I find the build
> quality of the classmate to be pretty good. It's quite robust.
> Especially compared to the OLPC. But then I have not handled an Eee PC
> yet.
Al,

I was worried about the 701 build quality, being all plastic, but from 
the moment I opened the box, all my worries faded.  I  only had access 
to the classmate for about 10 minutes, so my initial impressions of it 
could be wrong and/or fading.

Fancy a face2face to compare the two?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] serious advice

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Alan Pope wrote:
> On Fri, 2007-11-16 at 08:19 +0000, Jim Kissel wrote:
>> Alan Pope wrote:
>> 
>>> I probably won't put Ubuntu on it initially, but leave the existing
>>> software install for Sophie & Clare. 
>>>
>>> Then maybe I'll buy the 10" version when it comes out next year for
>>> myself :)
> 
>> Have you seen this?
>> http://www.eeeuser.com/2007/11/14/rumors-about-10-eee-pc-8g-are-false/
>>
>>
> 
> Have you seen this:-
> http://linkpot.net/augur/
> 
> Last two pictures show an Asus 1001 with a larger than 7" screen.

Nice, but it ain't going to fit in the pockets of any of my jackets. ;-(

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] serious advice

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Alan Pope wrote:

> I probably won't put Ubuntu on it initially, but leave the existing
> software install for Sophie & Clare. 
> 
> Then maybe I'll buy the 10" version when it comes out next year for
> myself :)

Al,
Have you seen this?
http://www.eeeuser.com/2007/11/14/rumors-about-10-eee-pc-8g-are-false/


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] serious advice

[Jim Kissel]

Alan Pope wrote:
> Hi Jim,
> 
> On Thu, 2007-11-15 at 08:44 +0000, Jim Kissel wrote:
>>   Should be here today.  Where did 
>> you order your's from?  
> 
> RM. 

Have they delivered?  If not have the given any indication of when they 
will deliver?  Why?  I've noticed eBuyer and Dabs are sold out.  Dabs 
shows "Due in 3-4 weeks"!

> 
>> If you or anyone you know are working on getting 
>> Ubutnu running on the eeePC, please let me/the group know.
>>
> 
> http://community.zdnet.co.uk/blog/0,100567,10006278o-2000331777b,00.htm
> http://www.mobile01.com/topicdetail.php?f=233&t=427281&last=3902234
> 
> I probably won't put Ubuntu on it initially, but leave the existing
> software install for Sophie & Clare. 
> 
> Then maybe I'll buy the 10" version when it comes out next year for
> myself :)

I too would like a 10" version, though I'm not prepared to wait till the 
  next of forever to get my hands on one.  Dabs just delivered my 701 
Thursday afternoon.  My initial impression of the 701 is it much nicer 
than the Classmate.  Better (bigger) keyboard.  The case build quality 
seems better.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] serious advice

[Jim Kissel]

Alan Pope wrote:

> I am in a similar quandary with my own daughter. She is 4 and has just
> started school this term. In school they have a windows PC in the
> classroom on which she plays various educational games. At home she
> rarely uses a computer at all. She has done a little typing here and
> there and played some online flash games, but not much more than that.
> 
> I have ordered a couple of Asus Eee PCs, one for my wife to use and one
> for Sophie. I wanted to get something small and lightweight which runs
> "normal" software. I have just called the school to get a list of all
> the software that Sophie uses, and if it's any good I'll see if I can
> get it working under WINE, or get someone to write an alternative in
> python so everyone can benefit :)
Snap!
Yesterday, I ordered one from Dabs.  Should be here today.  Where did 
you order your's from?  If you or anyone you know are working on getting 
Ubutnu running on the eeePC, please let me/the group know.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] memory lane, was: Please can someone look at this and try to help

[Jim Kissel]

Tony Arnold wrote:
> Jim Kissel wrote:
>> Sean Miller wrote:
>>>> You're all really old, I cant remember before my familys 486 with DOS
>>>> 6.22 and win 3.11 for workgroups  (I was born in 1992!!) lol  I know
>>>> my Mum had a computer before that, but I cant remember it - I found
>>>> its dot matrix printer in the loft a while ago though.
>>> My daughter was born in 1994... now I feel old... :-(
>> My grand-daughter was 6 in 1994...now I feel very old...;-(
>>
>> The ViewCom III was the greatest terminal ever built, though the ADM 3 
>> at $1,000 USD undercut it's market and killed it.
>>
>> Will someone pass me a forms ruler?
> 
> I have a flow chart template that has the line spacing and character
> spacing marked for line printer output! I got it in about 1973, but it
> has copyright, 1966 printed on it!

Same Phyla, different Genus.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] memory lane, was: Please can someone look at this and try to help

[Jim Kissel]

Sean Miller wrote:
>> You're all really old, I cant remember before my familys 486 with DOS
>> 6.22 and win 3.11 for workgroups  (I was born in 1992!!) lol  I know
>> my Mum had a computer before that, but I cant remember it - I found
>> its dot matrix printer in the loft a while ago though.
> 
> 
> My daughter was born in 1994... now I feel old... :-(

My grand-daughter was 6 in 1994...now I feel very old...;-(

The ViewCom III was the greatest terminal ever built, though the ADM 3 
at $1,000 USD undercut it's market and killed it.

Will someone pass me a forms ruler?

> 
> That said, no programmer should have been denied the privilege to program
> for 80x22 vt220 green screens... amazing how much wasted space there is
> these days... we used every single inch of those screens...
> 
> Sean
> 
> 

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] News Item- Low Cost PC/ Motherboard running on Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy)

[Jim Kissel]

Rob Beard wrote:
> Quoting Renjith Nair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
>> Hello Everyone,  Good morning !
>>
>> Some of you may have already seen this newsitem on slashdot. It is a welcome
>> sign that ubuntu is being considered as the operating system of their choice
>> by various manufacturers :-)
>>
>> *Low Cost PC/ Motherboard running on Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy) with the
>> lightweight Enlightenment window manager instead of KDE/GNOME*
>>
>> Slashdot Story: http://hardware.slashdot.org/hardware/07/11/07/2036249.shtml
>>
>> "hardware hacking enthusiasts can now get their hands on the guts of the
>> Everex TC2502 Linux PC for just $60 (USD). The compact x86-compatible "gOS
>> Dev Board" offers a lightweight Linux-based OS designed for use with Google
>> Apps"
>>
>> Original Link : http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS5305482907.html
>>
>> Currently it is available from a US retailer namely ClubIT but they are not
>> accepting International orders. Is there any similar product available in
>> UK?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Renjith
>>
> 
> Thats pretty cool, so it's basically a similar spec to what you'd get  
> on the EPIA boards just not as small and maybe higher power  
> requirements.  Would be pretty good for a second PC for web browsing  
> though.
> 
> I'd be interested to know if anyone finds a supplier.

http://www.mypcrevolution.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=1979
> 
> Rob
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] [ADVERT] Ubuntu case badges

[Jim Kissel]

Alan Pope wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I have a bunch of Ubuntu case badges which I am selling for 25p each.
> They are robust aluminium ones which can replace the Windows/Intel
> stickers you often find on laptops. They are bright & shiny and very
> sticky.
> 
> This is what they look like:-
> 
> http://linkpot.net/stonewall/
> 
> If anyone is interested in one or more, please let me know via email. 

I'll take 20.  There might be someone interested on the Surrey LUG this 
coming weekend.

> 
> Cheers,
> Al.
> 
> 

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Goodbye all

[Jim Kissel]

Andy wrote:
> On 02/11/2007, STONE COLD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> When did all this happen?
> 
> I *presume* Mark is referring to the thread that evolved from this
> email: <https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/2007-November/008836.html>
> Full thread: 
> <https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/2007-November/thread.html#8836>
> 
> though I can not be sure, but it does seem the most likely. (I hadn't
> read this myself till I did a search for Marks email to work out what
> we may have been referring to.).
> 
> Incidentally Stone Cold the line breaks seem to be missing when I view
> your email (not sure if anyone else has this problem).

All Stone Cold postings I've received have been virtually unreadable due 
to the lack of line breaks.

> 
> Andy
> 

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ballmer screws over Nigerian schoolkids

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Mark Harrison wrote:
> Chris Rowson wrote:
>> On Thu, 2007-11-01 at 22:38 +, Chris Rowson wrote:
>>   
>>>> I'm hope you see me as an exploiter of innocent children for posting
>>>> this here. To be honest though, I don't have an agenda or petty points
>>>> to make.
>>>>   
>> Despite writing in rant mode, without remembering to include the
>> customary  tags I didn't mean to write that. 
>>
>> Strangely I actually hope that people DO NOT see me as an exploiter of
>> innocent children!
>>
>> Chris
> 
> Chris,
> 
> Sorry, but I am offended by the choice of language like "Ballmer screws 
> over Nigerian schoolkids".
> 
> Are you actually accusing Ballmer of sexual exploitation of vulnerable 
> people?
> 
> Or are you saying that selling Western products to African nations is 
> the moral equivalent thereof?
> 
> Mark

Please don't feed the troll.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] C/C++ Development

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Jai Harrison wrote:
> Guys,
> 
> Where is the best place to start with C/C++ development from a Linux
> (or GTK) perspective? Note that I haven't differentiated between C and
> C++. This is because I do not mind which I use. I've been looking on
> GNU's website and they feature a manual on glibc (which is a definite
> advantage if I use C). Where as C++ has cppreference.com (which I've
> been informed is quite out-of-date).
> 
> Regardless of which of the two languages I use, I will probably be in
> need of some tutorials (please, Linux or GTK based as oppose to a
> Windows users' one). I don't yet have the hacker skills that some of
> you might so I would be very grateful for a ground-base instead of
> just diving into the glibc manual and trying to teach myself.

For 'C' I would suggest "The C Programming Language by Kernighan and 
Ritchie, second edition.  ISBN 0-12-110163-3
and
The Unix Programming Environment by Kernighan and Pike.  ISBN 0-13-937681-x


> 
> Jai
> 

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] What mail client do people use.

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Dave Morley wrote:
> I used to hate using Evolution but since I last used it to the release
> in Gutsy things have improved greatly.  The whole experience is a
> pleasure.
> 
> So I just wondered what everyone else uses?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu via Tescos

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Keith Cleaver wrote:
> Rob Beard wrote:
>> Keith Cleaver wrote:
>>   
>>> John Levin wrote:
>>> 
 Just found this:
 http://direct.tesco.com/q/R.200-3224/btnResultSort.x%3d509/btnResultSort.y%3d291.aspx
 and
 http://direct.tesco.com/q/R.200-6129/btnResultSort.x%3d509/btnResultSort.y%3d291.aspx

 Anyone tried one?

 John
   
>>> I thought only Dell were authorised to sell PC's with Ubuntu pre-installed?
>>>
>>> 
>> Technically being free software anyone is allowed to preinstall Ubuntu. 
>> 
>>
>> Rob
>>
>>
>>   
> OK, thanks for clearing that up.
> 
> It's a good move, but:
> 
> 1) How many people buy a PC from Tesco in the first place?

1,000's

> 
> 2) Won't the Linux branding scare off a few people, especially if it's 
> something they haven't heard of before (which is likely)?

Most won't know until their local, helpful, MS-expert has a look at it 
and says, "This isn't windows..", which may lead to a large number 
of returns.
> 

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Downloading Ubuntu 7.10 CD image

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Keith Cleaver wrote:
> On Thu, 2007-10-18 at 13:53 +0100, David M wrote:
>> Anybody having any luck downloading a Ubuntu 7.10 CD image?
>>
[big snip]
> 
> Hi guys, I'm a new user of Ubuntu (I was a Puppy Linux user for a while,
> and Red Hat a long time ago), and have been impressed with it.
> 
> Anyway, just to let people know that the new issue of Linux Format has
> Xubuntu 7.10 on the DVD, if you:

it 7.04 Xubuntu ;-(

> 
> 1) Prefer the XFCE window manager and
> 2) Don't want to download the ISO from the Xubuntu site
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Keith

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Advice for the future

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Lucy wrote:
> On 17/10/2007, Matthew Larsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> We should setup an [Ubuntu-UK][Jobs] list.
> 
> There's always the UK LUG Linux jobs mailing list at:
> https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/linuxjobs/

A hotbed of activity ;-)
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Advice for the future

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Chris Rowson wrote:
> It'd be interesting for people to put their money where their mouth's
> are, and tell us what they do for a living and what their level of
> qualification is. It's the only real way to see if having a degree
> makes a difference or not.
> 
> Anyone who is currently on a degree course is of course going to say
> that it's the best way forward, as alternately anyone who hasn't got
> one is going to say it doesn't matter...
> 
> I'll start the ball rolling...
> 
> Chris - No Degree - Second line support engineer (although I've
> recently started working a in job which involves project coordination,
> service reviews etc etc)

BS in EE minor in Applied Physics.

various support or development positions with Nortel, ICL, EDS, Siemens 
and contracts with JP Morgan, Sybase, Royal Sun, Sun Microsystems

The only skill I acquired during formal training that has served me over 
the years (I'm 59) was touch typing which I was taught in high school 
when I was 17.  All other skills are either
a) out of date and/or not useful in today's computing environments
b) self taught/acquired on the job

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lost Apache2 PID

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taufanlubis wrote:
> Hi all.
> I suddenly lost my /var/run/apache2.pid
> Now, I can't run my apache2.
> Have any of you ever deal with it?

sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 restart
or
sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 start

depending on the state of your machine.  The start-up script should/will 
create a new /var/run/apache2.pid

Restart will error non-fatally if the pid is missing, but should 
continue and (re)start apache for you.

> 
> Thanks
> 
> Taufan Lubis
> www.taufanlubis.wordpress.com
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] about a meeting in banbury, got gutsy launch,

[Jim Kissel]

Alan Pope wrote:
> On Sat, 2007-10-13 at 20:26 +0100, philip taylor wrote:
>> hi
>> i was discuusing in the irc ubuntu-uk about having a more local ubuntu
>> launch meeting, and suggest anybody who lives in banbury, oxfordshire,
>> or anywhere near, to contact us  and or me, abour this, as many people
>> are enthusiastic about this, thanks for your interest. 
>>
> 
> This is a great idea. If anyone is in Philips area, even just getting a
> couple of people together in a pub for a "meet and greet" would be good.
> Same goes for any other area!

I guess you and I are going to have to get together for that beer we 
were going to have a year or so ago. ;-)

Anyone else in the Camberley/Farnborough area what to meet up for a jar?

> 
> Cheers,
> Al.
> 

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Tag Lines?

[Jim Kissel]

Philip Newborough wrote:
> Hello list
> 
> I'm working on some web based adverts to do a little Ubuntu advocacy.
> Now I know you 'orrible lot are a talented bunch [FYI - that was some
> flattery] so I thought I'd ask for your ideas and opinions.

blatanly plagiarized

Ubuntu: "Because life's complicated enough"  (abby national)
Ubuntu: "Don't leave home without it"  (amex)
Ubuntu: "Get a little eXtra help" (halifax)
"Ubuntu. Proud to be different." (nationwide building soc)
Ubuntu: "The OS that likes to say Yes" (trustee savings bakn)
Ubuntu: "Because you're worth it"  (L'Or'eal)
"U-B-U-N-T-U spells Relief" (rolaids)
"Ubuntu: The Linus effect" (Lynx)
"Ubuntu: Software your way" (sky tv)
Ubuntu: "Make the dream come true" (disney world)
Ubuntu Linux: "Try something new today." (sainsbury's)
"You Can Do It When You Ubuntu It" (b&q)
Linux: "No Nonsense" (john smith's)
Ubnutu: "Better than bunny wunnies" (john smith's)
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Tag Lines?

[Jim Kissel]

Alan Pope wrote:
> Hi Chris,
> 
> On Tue, 2007-10-02 at 10:00 +0100, Chris Rowson wrote:
>> Ubuntu Linux, Kills 100% of viruses. Dead. (along the lines of
>> Domestos advert)
>> Ubuntu Linux, Does exactly what it says on the tin. (Ronseal)
>>
> 
> Ahh, now if we're parodying other peoples adverts then we can definately
> have some fun there!
> 
> The debian guys made some T-shirts. "Debian, we only release it when
> it's ready" (Grolsch), and "Debian, the best a man can get" (Gillette).
> 
> Ubuntu, reaches the parts other operating systems cannot reach
> (Carlsberg).

Carlsberg doesn't do Operating Systems, but if it did it would be the 
best: Ubuntu.
> 
> http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/List_of_advertising_slogans
> 
> Cheers,
> Al.
> 

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[ubuntu-uk] OT: Citizens rejoice! Your Lord and Master stands on high, playing track 3.

[Jim Kissel]

Alan Pope wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On Sun, 2007-09-30 at 16:14 +0100, Alan Pope wrote:
>> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-uk/+poll/ubuntu-uk-point-of-contact
>>
Can anyone "Name that tune?"

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Top Posting: a request.

[Jim Kissel]

Mark Fraser wrote:
> On Wednesday 26 September 2007 18:58:49 Alec Wright wrote:
>> On Wed, 2007-09-26 at 18:55 +0100, Jim Kissel wrote:
>>> *** Please stop Top-Posting ***
>>>
>>>> Two is fine
>>>>
>>>>> How many sugars?
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd rather have coffee if possible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Coffee or tea?
>> I was just about to ask what this list's policy on top/bottom posting
>> was...
>> Thanks for clearing that up
> 
> Someone should tell STONE COLD.  Some of his emails aren't very readable in 
> KMail either, but that's probably hotmail :(

His e-mails aren't very readable in thunderbird either.
> 
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[ubuntu-uk] Top Posting: a request.

[Jim Kissel]

*** Please stop Top-Posting ***

> Two is fine
>> How many sugars?
>>> I'd rather have coffee if possible.
 Coffee or tea?





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Re: [ubuntu-uk] cache size - firefox (and googlevideo downloads)

[Jim Kissel]

alan c wrote:
> Jim Kissel wrote:
>> alan c wrote:
>>> I rarely capture streaming video and it seems I am often facing new 
>>> issues  :-)
>>>
>>> I have become experienced with using firefox  to view a clip, then 
>>> using the firefox cached file to replay the clip off line.
>>>
>>> However an OLPC video of one hour seems to exceed a size and things do 
>>> not work.
> 
> [...]
> 
>>> Shorter videos play ok too (for example 15 minutes), but the cache 
>>> files seem to persist and do not disappear!
>>>
>>> comments appreciated
>> Try http://keepvid.com/
>> with the URL http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4285568518538296189
>>
>> It's downloading for me 90 megs so it'll be a while before I can check 
>> the quality.
> 
> ah - I tried keepvid (yesterday) but it would not work, maybe it was 
> busy or something. It is actually connecting now.
> This would be independent of any browser (Firefox) cache parameters 
> presumably.

It must have been a connection problem from your machine as it 
downloaded ok for me, all 89.8 megs.  Named something.avi.flv but plays 
ok via totem 2.18.1

Yes, keepvid is semi-independent of the browser you use and it's cache.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] cache size - firefox (and googlevideo downloads)

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alan c wrote:
> I rarely capture streaming video and it seems I am often facing new 
> issues  :-)
> 
> I have become experienced with using firefox  to view a clip, then 
> using the firefox cached file to replay the clip off line.
> 
> However an OLPC video of one hour seems to exceed a size and things do 
> not work.
> 
> the olpc clip is
> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4285568518538296189&q=user%3A%22Google+engEDU%22&total=538&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=6
> 
> and it plays ok, I can also see a cache file (files) increasing in 
> size with time by invoking konqueror refresh occasionally (I am using 
> kubuntu 7.04).
> 
> In firefox preferences I have set preferences>content>file types> 
> manage to ask that swf and spl files (flash) are saved to disk, and 
> set the Advanced> Network cache size to 2000MB of cache size. However, 
> the firefox cache file seems to reach 60MB and then stop increasing in 
> size (then disappears!). This corresponds to about 45 minutes of the 
> 61 minute clip. when the 2000MB cache size was a smaller number, the 
> cached file stopped at a smaller size, so maybe I will try using an 
> even larger number.  (I did, but it did not seem to change the 
> automatic disappearance of the cache file at least. Not sure what file 
> size was attained though)
> 
> I have watched the particular clip now so many times that I know it by 
> heart (my various experiments) - but I am still curious about what is 
> happening to limit the cache file.
> 
> Shorter videos play ok too (for example 15 minutes), but the cache 
> files seem to persist and do not disappear!
> 
> comments appreciated
Try http://keepvid.com/
with the URL http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4285568518538296189

It's downloading for me 90 megs so it'll be a while before I can check 
the quality.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Kubuntu vs Ubuntu for new users

[Jim Kissel]

Chris Rowson wrote:
>> Scrase, Eddie wrote:
>>> I'm probably stating the obvious here, but if the two bars are a
>>> problem, you can always move everything from the top bar down to the
>>> bottom and then delete the top bar (which is what I have done on my
>>> installation).  You can also replace the Gnome
>>> Applications/Places/System menus with a combined menu along the lines
>>> of KDE or Windows, although as far as I'm aware, you can't add text
>>> label to it.
>>>
>> It might be quicker to add the bottom applets to the top panel, delete
>> the bottom panel, and them move the top panel to the bottom.
>> YMMV
>>
> 
> Yeah, I did think of that ;-)
> 
> The problem is however, although it's easy to move the panel/s, what
> happens when the user creates another user for another family member
> on their PC? I'm kinda trying to compare these DE's on their out of
> the box environment. I suppose, imagine that you're installing using
> the OEM option.

If you're trying to solve the problem of new accounts needing the same 
customization, it can be done, though it not a drop-and-drag operation. 
  You need to delve into where the default gnome/KDE configuration files 
live and do a bit of editing on them, but don't blame me if you make a 
mistake end up with a non-operational system.

> 
> I played with the gnome-main-menu package too (forgot about that till
> you reminded me) and quite liked that
> http://www.justuber.com/blog/2007/03/11/suse-style-gnome-menu-on-ubuntu-edgy/
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Chris
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Kubuntu vs Ubuntu for new users

[Jim Kissel]

Scrase, Eddie wrote:
> I'm probably stating the obvious here, but if the two bars are a
> problem, you can always move everything from the top bar down to the
> bottom and then delete the top bar (which is what I have done on my
> installation).  You can also replace the Gnome
> Applications/Places/System menus with a combined menu along the lines
> of KDE or Windows, although as far as I'm aware, you can't add text
> label to it.
> 
It might be quicker to add the bottom applets to the top panel, delete 
the bottom panel, and them move the top panel to the bottom.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu jobs

[Jim Kissel]

Chris Rowson wrote:
> It's not what you've got, it's what you do with it that counts ;-)
> 
Right now I'm not doing much with it (Perl, most web technologies but 
not Java, sometimes sysadmin, and occasional C/Bash/Awk/Sed), due to 
lack of gainful employment.  Until this changes, I'm open to suggestions 
that will benefit Ubuntu and utilize my skill set.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Release Party for Gutsy?

[Jim Kissel]

Josh Blacker wrote:
> What time is the final iso released? Just thinking if you could
> install a new operating system on your laptop over breakfast it would
> make good press. A windows installation would take until at least
> brunch to finish, without all the extra drivers and programs...

You bring the CD, I'll bring my Sony Vaio FX-401.  It's in need of a 
refresh as it's currently running 6.06

> 
> I'm afraid I only know studenty venues in London, not particularly
> good for a release party to be under a foot of club floor slime!
> 
> On 9/4/07, Mark Harrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Good call.
>>
>> I've entered details for a proposed BREAKFAST (near) Gatwick party.
>>
>> In my life, morning meetings match a freer diary than evening ones :-)
>>
>> Even if only 5-10 people come, it strikes me as a good PR stunt to be
>> able to say that "there are launch parties around the UK throughout the
>> day, starting at 8:00 at Gatwick, with big evening parties in London and
>> Birmingham"...
>>
>> ... the point of these parties is, presumably, to be able to get out
>> press releases IN ADVANCE so that (at least local) papers will pick up,
>> and mention the new release - thus hitting markets that we wouldn't have
>> done otherwise.
>>
>>
>> M.
>>
>>
>>
>> Ciaran Mooney wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'd like to cast my vote for Birmingham.
>>>
>>> And I'd like to say having two will be a benefit rather than a
>>> problem. There seems to be enough people from the Midlands and the
>>> South regions to fill both events.
>>>
>>> Created a wiki page for those who want to have a look
>>>
>>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/GustyReleaseParty
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Ciarán
>>>
>>>
>>
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Release Party for Gutsy?

[Jim Kissel]

Mark Harrison wrote:
> Good call.
> 
> I've entered details for a proposed BREAKFAST (near) Gatwick party.
> 
> In my life, morning meetings match a freer diary than evening ones :-)
> 
> Even if only 5-10 people come, it strikes me as a good PR stunt to be 
> able to say that "there are launch parties around the UK throughout the 
> day, starting at 8:00 at Gatwick, with big evening parties in London and 
> Birmingham"...

I'd be up for breakfast at Gatwick, provided it's a good breakfast, Full 
English or better.

> 
> ... the point of these parties is, presumably, to be able to get out 
> press releases IN ADVANCE so that (at least local) papers will pick up, 
> and mention the new release - thus hitting markets that we wouldn't have 
> done otherwise.
> 
> 
> M.
> 
> 
> 
> Ciaran Mooney wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'd like to cast my vote for Birmingham.
>>
>> And I'd like to say having two will be a benefit rather than a
>> problem. There seems to be enough people from the Midlands and the
>> South regions to fill both events.
>>
>> Created a wiki page for those who want to have a look
>>
>> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/GustyReleaseParty
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Ciarán
>>
>>   
> 
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] [marketing] Bug #1 - what we're up against

[Jim Kissel]

Matthew Larsen wrote:
> Well thats the biggest threat to linux: If Microsoft charged
> reasonable licenses for their software (ie £20 for Vista Ultimate),
> FOSS would be blown out of the water.
> 
> But MS is a monopoly and that won't happen unless they really need to

Sorry to rain on your parade, but Microsoft have already done this for 
the "third world" with their Student Innovation Suite for $3.00 USD!


> 
> On 17/08/07, alan c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Neil Greenwood wrote:
>>> A very good discussion about why Linux doesn't have a greater market share.
>>> http://tlug.jp/articles/Windows_Is_Free
>> A well put case with a closely argued set of points. Worth reading.
>>
>> also see:
>>
>> How Microsoft conquered China
>> http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2007/07/23/100134488/
>> Extract:
>> Today Gates openly concedes that tolerating piracy turned out to be
>> Microsoft's best long-term strategy. That's why Windows is used on an
>> estimated 90% of China's 120 million PCs. "It's easier for our
>> software to compete with Linux when there's piracy than when there's
>> not," Gates says. "Are you kidding? You can get the real thing, and
>> you get the same price." Indeed, in China's back alleys, Linux often
>> costs more than Windows because it requires more disks. And
>> Microsoft's own prices have dropped so low it now sells a $3 package
>> of Windows and Office to students
>>
>> Comment: historically, the Good GUI of windows appeared sooner than
>> the good GUI of Linux, so market momentum for windows has been well
>> established.
>>
>> To *change* market momentum, we need a marketing approach which pushes
>> at an open door - many people I know are worried about computer
>> related security. It is a rising public awareness, in media too. They
>> often are well aware of microsofts unpleasant ways of doing business.
>> 'sucking blood' was an actual phrase used to me last weekend.
>>
>> Microsoft is helping us out with Vista.
>>
>> An added bonus could be that we have a wonderfully helpful and
>> knowledgable Community!
>>
>> Can we put these together in to a (truthful) FUD package of our own,
>> surely this is possible?
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] UK Marketing: Promo Videos

[Jim Kissel]

Ian Pascoe wrote:
> 
> PS  Is everyone on holiday this week as the list seems awful quiet?
> 
Only all of Europe, or so it seems.  Not only are the mailing lists I 
subscribe to quite, there is not much news either or so it seems to me.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Cursors?

[Jim Kissel]

Rob Beard wrote:
> Quoting Jim Kissel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
>>
>> Rob Beard wrote:
>>> Quoting Jim Kissel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>>
>>>> Any recommendations or a GUI view/editor for the files in
>>>> /usr/share/icons/Human/cursor ?
>>>>
>>> It's a long shot but could you try the gcursor package (which is the
>>> Gnome cursor theme managing software).  More details on it here:
>>> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Beautify_GNOME (Gentoo specific but it
>>> might help).
>> Thanks Rob.  One of my colleagues suggested Konqueror which displayed
>> them where as Nautilus couldn't.
>>> Rob
>>>
> 
> No problem.  I was under the impression that things like this were  
> either PNG or SVG format but Gimp didn't seem to know what they are.

'file' says that they are GLS_BINARY_LSB_FIRST but even Google doesn't 
have much about it.

> 
> Rob
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Cursors?

[Jim Kissel]

Rob Beard wrote:
> Quoting Jim Kissel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
>> Any recommendations or a GUI view/editor for the files in
>> /usr/share/icons/Human/cursor ?
>>
> 
> It's a long shot but could you try the gcursor package (which is the  
> Gnome cursor theme managing software).  More details on it here:  
> http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Beautify_GNOME (Gentoo specific but it  
> might help).

Thanks Rob.  One of my colleagues suggested Konqueror which displayed 
them where as Nautilus couldn't.
> 
> Rob
> 
> 
> 
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[ubuntu-uk] Cursors?

[Jim Kissel]

Any recommendations or a GUI view/editor for the files in 
/usr/share/icons/Human/cursor ?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu servers hacked?

[Jim Kissel]

alan c wrote:
>   Ubuntu Servers Hacked
> http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/08/15/1341224
> 
> 
> If this is true it is pretty sad. It will take some time for 
> confidence to be regained. What a gift (or a result?) for the opposition!

It was a case of self inflected injuries.  Using FTP instead of sFTP or 
SCP.  Not keeping their machines up to date.

The only redeeming aspect is non of the machines that were compromised 
were repositories!

> 
> I was recently trying to reduce my ignorance about security by asking 
> questions about security, and on the ubuntu forums I had asked a 
> couple of questions about security which were apparently so tiresome 
> that they were immediately sidelined into a dead thread!

What questions?

> 
> I posted a request for reinstatement in the resolution forum, but have 
> not heard anything yet.
> 
> In the few days since I was totally ignorant, I have become slightly 
> better informed, and maybe an appropriate question for the forums 
> should now be about the story of th eking and his new clothes?
> 
> The off-handedness (of presumably the admin/s) in the ubuntu forums I 
> stumbled into is ironic indeed in the circumstances.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Migrating from MS Windows

[Jim Kissel]

Ian Pascoe wrote:
> To add to Bill's list, how do you get the "Windows" key on a standard
> keyboard to open the menus on the Gnome desktop?
> 
> (The windows key being the one located between the Alt and Ctrl keys on the
> bottom left of the keyboard)

System -> Preferences -> Keyboard Shortcuts
Highlight "Show the Panel menu"  then type the "Windows" key
It's Super - L on my keyboard

> 
> E
>   -Original Message-
>   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bill Culshaw
>   Sent: 06 August 2007 20:56
>   To: ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com
>   Subject: [ubuntu-uk] Migrating from MS Windows
> 
> 
>   I have moved my business and home computing over to Ubuntu,with very
> little problems.
>   with the exception of  3  little niggles.
>   Are there drivers available for a 2Wire usb wireless adapter.
>   How do I install a minimum Kubuntu desktop without ruining my existing
> Gnome setup
>   Is there a Ubuntu/Linux application that has the functionality of my old
> Lotus Organiser.
>   I realise that I am asking this in the wrong place (sorry)
>   Would welcome any assitance may be available.
> 
>   Regards Bill...
> 
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] find a file

[Jim Kissel]

Neil Greenwood wrote:
> On 06/08/07, Jim Kissel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> find /your/path/to/a/directory -name '*.lck' -print
>>
>> Find trawls the files system but appears to cache when re-run with a
>> short (hours) time.  I've ever used locate.  It has a db where it
>> 'locates' files.  BTY, if you are using find on directories that you
>> don't "own", you may need to sudo find has the errors it produces when
>> it doesn't have permission to read a directory can overwhelm the actual
>> output of any search.
>>
> 
> I'm posting without testing, so I may be wrong.
> 
> I wouldn't have thought that find would cache the results. It's
> probably the disk cache for the file system that speeds things up.

I too believe it the file system/disk that is doing the caching.  Never 
considered that anyone would splice a cache onto to find!
> 
> Hwyl,
> Neil.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] find a file

[Jim Kissel]

norman wrote:
> < snip >
>> Josh Blacker wrote:
>>> There are the two commands 'find' and 'locate' from the command line.
>>> One is slower because it literally trawls the system to find things,
>>> and the other works from a database that's updated every so often - so
>>> it can miss newer files. (I think find is the faster one, but I could
>>> be wrong) As far as I know, find has many more options than locate (eg
>>> to search from the parent directory to a specified depth) - I remember
>>> reading about it somewhere.
>> find /your/path/to/a/directory -name '*.lck' -print
>>
>> Find trawls the files system but appears to cache when re-run with a 
>> short (hours) time.  I've ever used locate.  It has a db where it 
>> 'locates' files.  BTY, if you are using find on directories that you 
>> don't "own", you may need to sudo find has the errors it produces when 
>> it doesn't have permission to read a directory can overwhelm the actual 
>> output of any search.
> 
> Thanks to all who have had a go at answering my question. However, am I
> to understand that I need to know where I might find the file I am
> seeking before I go looking? If that is the case then it defeats what I
> thought was the idea. What I was looking for was a
> command which would tell the computer to search every folder on my
> system.

sudo find / -name '*.lck' -print
..
will search all mounted file systems for files that end in .lnk
The single quote characters around *.lck are necessary.  Without them, 
the shell will try to expand *.lck in the current working directory and 
then use that in the context of find.

Someone suggested:
find / -name *.lck
try typing ls *.lck to see what arguments are going to be passed to find

sudo "find / -name *.lck" won't work.  You just get
sudo ...: command not found.

Bash: Ubuntu: 7.04
> 
> Norman
> 
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] find a file

[Jim Kissel]

Farran Lee wrote:
> is there a graphic front end to either of these?
> 

Yes,  gnome-find
http://gnome-find.sourceforge.net/

> 
> On Mon, 2007-08-06 at 10:50 +0100, Josh Blacker wrote:
>> There are the two commands 'find' and 'locate' from the command line.
>> One is slower because it literally trawls the system to find things,
>> and the other works from a database that's updated every so often - so
>> it can miss newer files. (I think find is the faster one, but I could
>> be wrong) As far as I know, find has many more options than locate (eg
>> to search from the parent directory to a specified depth) - I remember
>> reading about it somewhere.
>>
>> On 8/6/07, norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> Although I have used Ubuntu for quite some time I have never been sure
>>> how to go about finding named files. I am not a Linux person although, I
>>> can use a terminal if needed. For example I needed to find any files
>>> with .lck as the extension and remove them otherwise I would be unable
>>> to burn DVDs using Mthtv. So, I went to Places -> Search for files,
>>> entered *.lck and the report was no files found. Yet there had to be at
>>> least one file which was causing me the problem. Eventually, after much
>>> research I found two files in a folder on my desktop.
>>>
>>> Surely, Search for places should have found these or am I not using the
>>> utility correctly?
>>>
>>> Norman
>>>
>>>
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>>
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] find a file

[Jim Kissel]

Josh Blacker wrote:
> There are the two commands 'find' and 'locate' from the command line.
> One is slower because it literally trawls the system to find things,
> and the other works from a database that's updated every so often - so
> it can miss newer files. (I think find is the faster one, but I could
> be wrong) As far as I know, find has many more options than locate (eg
> to search from the parent directory to a specified depth) - I remember
> reading about it somewhere.

find /your/path/to/a/directory -name '*.lck' -print

Find trawls the files system but appears to cache when re-run with a 
short (hours) time.  I've ever used locate.  It has a db where it 
'locates' files.  BTY, if you are using find on directories that you 
don't "own", you may need to sudo find has the errors it produces when 
it doesn't have permission to read a directory can overwhelm the actual 
output of any search.

> 
> On 8/6/07, norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Although I have used Ubuntu for quite some time I have never been sure
>> how to go about finding named files. I am not a Linux person although, I
>> can use a terminal if needed. For example I needed to find any files
>> with .lck as the extension and remove them otherwise I would be unable
>> to burn DVDs using Mthtv. So, I went to Places -> Search for files,
>> entered *.lck and the report was no files found. Yet there had to be at
>> least one file which was causing me the problem. Eventually, after much
>> research I found two files in a folder on my desktop.
>>
>> Surely, Search for places should have found these or am I not using the
>> utility correctly?
>>
>> Norman
>>
>>
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Quote of the day....

[Jim Kissel]

Q: Had you considered the possibility that we might actually prefer 
Windows, or even think it's better?
A: No, but in all fairness, neither had I considered the possibility 
that you might be afflicted with rabies or suffering from fetal alcohol 
syndrome.
   Just Some Guy on /. (with minor edits for readability)

or

...Open Source isn't the only answer -- but it's almost always better 
than the alternative...
   -- CodeShark as seen on /.


Mark Harrison wrote:
> Ah - the joys of contextual advertising - sorry about that.
> 
> OK, how about this one:
> 
> "It said 'requires Windows 2000 or better' on the box, so I 
> installed Ubuntu"
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> Josh Blacker wrote:
>> Great - now I have a bunch of adverts about powerpoint in my gmail!
>>
>> My personal favourite, on a bookmark trying to be witty:
>> "Never try to replace windows on your computer"
>> I bought it for a laugh; picture here:
>> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=502966
>>
>> On 7/25/07, Mark Harrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>   
>>> "Power corrupts. Powerpoint corrupts absolutely"
>>>
>>> Well, I liked it :-)
>>>
>>> M.
>>>
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] What's happened to all the Linux Mags? "WHSmiths Watch"

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Howard Berry wrote:
> Hello everyone,
> As the is a nation wide listing, I wondered if my experience was
> replicated in the rest of the country.
> The plethora of "buy new cool Vista magazines" seems to elbowing the
> three Linux magazines out of existence in Wolverhampton and
> Bridgnorth.
> My main concern is that my favourite magazine "Linux User and
> Developer", to which I have subscribed for a couple of years, seems to
> have gone very ominously silent: no replies to emails, no replies to
> telephone messages. The web site is still functioning although cobwebs
> seem to be gathering on it.
> Is it me that they don't like, or have they gone belly down??

I've been having similar problems with the WH Smiths in Camberley, 
Surrey.  All three used to be stocked, but when I subscribed to Linux 
Format, and dropped it from WHS's in-store ordering service, they 
helpfully dropped all three magazines.  Both the in-store ordering 
service and on the shelves.  3 months and many complaints got Linux 
Format, and Linux User back on the shelves and back in my folder.

Unix U&D is been a problem for more than three months.  I finally got a 
helpful sole (WH Smith employee) to dig into the problem.  Unix U&D was 
a monthly but apparently has switched to 6x per year.  The local WHS 
informed me that the next issue of Unix U&D will be out 29th of June.

We live in hope
> 
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] suck it and see

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norman wrote:
> One of the many advantages of Ubuntu to old codgers like me and those of
> us who depend on our computer for passing the time is the vast range of
> free software and applications available to be tried and tested. Mostly
> these are easy to install and uninstall and generally work with the
> hardware we have. 
[snip]
> Come on Ubuntu users, let's hear of all the things you like to use and
> what gives you pleasure. Stop lurking and come out.
> 
Streamtuner + XMMS for Internet Radio!

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Can I disable the power button?

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Alan Pope wrote:
> Hi Jim,
> 
> On Mon, 2007-06-18 at 19:05 +0100, Jim Kissel wrote:
>> James Tait wrote:
>>> Dave Walker wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 2007-06-18 at 14:28 +0100, Jim Kissel wrote:
>>>> You can confirm that this setting does not exist?
>>>> http://daviey.mooo.com/powersettings.jpg
>>> The drop-down is there for me, but I only have options to "Ask me",
>>> "Suspend", "Hibernate" or "Shutdown".
>> I can confirm the same options.  There isn't a "Do nothing" option.  I 
>> tried Alan's suggestion of --reinstall but this didn't alter the g-p-m 
>> interface.
>>
> 
> The screenshot you sent me looks like a really old version of g-p-m.
> 
> http://gallery.popey.com/gallery/view_photo.php?set_albumName=screenshots&id=Screenshot_Power_Management_Preferences
> 
> I wonder if something hasn't been updated during your upgrades from
> dapper->edgy->feisty.
> 
> Can you just check ubuntu-desktop (and dependants) are installed
> correctly:-
> 
> sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop

"ubuntu-desktop is already the newest version."

no change in the power management application user interface.
The previous --reinstall shows the same version as per  previous posts 
2.18.2-0

> 
> It will either just say it's already there, or it will pull in a bunch
> of stuff that was missing. Can you also check your /etc/apt-sources.list
> has all the necessary repos specified? Make it look a bit like what you
> see in http://pastebin.ubuntu-uk.org/295
> 
> Cheers,
> Al.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Can I disable the power button?

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James Tait wrote:
> Dave Walker wrote:
>> On Mon, 2007-06-18 at 14:28 +0100, Jim Kissel wrote:
>> You can confirm that this setting does not exist?
>> http://daviey.mooo.com/powersettings.jpg
> 
> The drop-down is there for me, but I only have options to "Ask me",
> "Suspend", "Hibernate" or "Shutdown".

I can confirm the same options.  There isn't a "Do nothing" option.  I 
tried Alan's suggestion of --reinstall but this didn't alter the g-p-m 
interface.

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> 
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Can I disable the power button?

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Alan Pope wrote:
> Hi Stuart,
> 
> On Mon, Jun 18, 2007 at 01:43:46PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> My one-year-old son has a new favourite game - pressing the power button 
>> on his Dad's PC.
>>
> 
> Haha. My daughter took to yanking out USB keys a while ago. Kids eh, gotta 
> love 'em.
> 
>> I am running Gnome  on Fiesty and whenever the power button is pressed it 
>> pops up a modal dialogue box asking if I want to restart, log out, switch 
>> off, etc.  I assume this happens via Gnome Power Manager.
>>
> 
> Yup, and it's configurable. Right click Gnome Power Manager and choose 
> Preferences. In the "General" tab there is a "when the power button is 
> pressed..", change the drop down from "Ask me" to "Do nothing". Job done.

No such option on my Feisty 7.04 Power Manager -> General tab!
> 
> Cheers,
> Al.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC Click includes Ubuntu: Mark II

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Alex Latchford wrote:
> Robert McWilliam wrote:
>> On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 08:43:31 +0100
>> alan c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>   
>>> which appears to be the url of the wmv file(s) but
>>> rtsp://wm-acl.bbc.co.uk/wms/news/n5ctrl/tvseq/od/bbc1/bb/wm/video/click_bb.wmv
>>> by itself does not launch in firefox, what should I now be doing?
>>> thanks
>>> 
>> I don't think firefox speaks RTSP (Real Time Streaming Protocol), so
>> you need to use an app that does. As per previous responses in this
>> thread mplayer is a good choice for this.
>>
>> 
>> Robert McWilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.ormiret.com
>>
>> Long periods of drought are always followed by rain.
>>
>>   
> Just change the protocol to http.. so..
> 
> http://wm-acl.bbc.co.uk/wms/news/n5ctrl/tvseq/od/bbc1/bb/wm/video/click_bb.wmv
> 
> Will allow you to download it to your hard drive..

In my case firefox has a player installed for wmv files and starts to
play this stream in the browser.  All I see is the tail end of a bbc
weather forcast.  Just the bbc weather logo and about 5 seconds of
sound.  Then nothing.

wget doesn't get much.

Can anyone up the ante with a better URL or an alternate method to
view/download Click?  (ubuntu 7.04 FF)

---Mark II---
Stranger and stranger?
<http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/video_and_audio/default.stm>
BBC News 24, a live stream works as does the audio channels/stories. 
None of the other video channels/stories work.

selective DRM?  sun spots?

> 
> Thanks.. Alex.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC Click includes Ubuntu

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Alex Latchford wrote:
> Robert McWilliam wrote:
>> On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 08:43:31 +0100
>> alan c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>   
>>> which appears to be the url of the wmv file(s) but
>>> rtsp://wm-acl.bbc.co.uk/wms/news/n5ctrl/tvseq/od/bbc1/bb/wm/video/click_bb.wmv
>>> by itself does not launch in firefox, what should I now be doing?
>>> thanks
>>> 
>> I don't think firefox speaks RTSP (Real Time Streaming Protocol), so
>> you need to use an app that does. As per previous responses in this
>> thread mplayer is a good choice for this.
>>
>> 
>> Robert McWilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.ormiret.com
>>
>> Long periods of drought are always followed by rain.
>>
>>   
> Just change the protocol to http.. so..
> 
> http://wm-acl.bbc.co.uk/wms/news/n5ctrl/tvseq/od/bbc1/bb/wm/video/click_bb.wmv
> 
> Will allow you to download it to your hard drive..

In my case firefox has a player installed for wmv files and starts to 
play this stream in the browser.  All I see is the tail end of a bbc 
weather forcast.  Just the bbc weather logo and about 5 seconds of 
sound.  Then nothing.

wget doesn't get much.

Can anyone up the ante with a better URL or an alternate method to 
view/download Click?  (ubuntu 7.04 FF)

> 
> Thanks.. Alex.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] repo in a box

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Alan Pope wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 04, 2007 at 08:49:08AM +, liam jackson wrote:
>> Hi 
>>  I have asked several people this question, but do not get any replies, 
>>  I have just installed ubuntu onto my pc at home, but as I am not on line i 
>> have to use a library pc for any downloading at present, (i on the sick and 
>> cannot afford it at present). i want to install a different media player, 
>> but just can't seem to do it,
>>  1st, do i have to be online to load programes?
> 
> Further to this..
> 
> I have often thought that someone should provide a service where you can 
> "rent a repo" on a USB hard disk. You would pay a company a deposit for the 
> disk and then subscription, and for that money you get sent a USB disk 
> containing the entire Ubuntu repository for the release you are on (or the 
> next one up you want to upgrade to). At any time you could send it back and 
> get it updated and returned (24/48 hour turnaround would be appropriate).
> 
> This would work well also for people on dialup or people in outlying areas. 
> It would also be good for people with many machines which need updating - 
> such as a school - but limited bandwidth.
> 
> For the technically minded this could be easily implemented with the use of 
> apt-mirror to mirror the repo(s), and rsync to update the USB hard disks. 
> The entire repo for one release is about 30GiB at the moment, which easily 
> fits on a cheap small USB hard disk (retail currently around 35GBP. Using 
> laptop sized ones there is no need for a power supply (although if a machine 
> has issues with power the user can supply one themselves), and the postage 
> would be relatively cheap. 
> 
> The main issues I see with this are:-
> 
> 1) Licensing - would it be 100% legal to redistribute the entire (main, 
> restricted, multiverse, universe) repository?
> 2) Cost - it would need to be less than the cost of capped broadband - 
> although for those people with no opportunity to get broadband this might 
> not be a problem :)
> 3) Drive failure - disks being sent back and forth in the post might lead to 
> a shorter lifespan?
> 4) Trust: Would a customer trust that the disk really does contain the repo 
> and not some nasty spyware etc.
> 
> Maybe a system with different levels.
> 
> Bronze: You get one repo on the disk and can send the disk back once a 
> month.
> Silver: You get two repos (e.g. Feisty and Gutsy) and can send the disk back 
> twice a month.
> Gold: You get three repos (e.g. Dapper, Feisty and Gutsy) and can send the 
> disk back four times a month.
> Platinum: You get all the repos for all versions of Ubuntu released so far 
> (Warty through Gutsy) and can send the disk back as many times as you like.
> 
> All disks would also contain the ISO images which match the version of 
> Ubuntu being mirrored, and would clearly contain all packages for 
> Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Xubuntu, server etc. 
> 
> Of course for platinum I realise that some versions are no longer supported, 
> but if people have machines that have been installed from Warty and want to 
> upgrade rather than re-install this provides an option to them.
> 
> It should be possible to upgrade/downgrade at (for example) three times a 
> year between bronze/silver/gold/platinum.
> 
> Yet another hare-brained popey idea.

I like it Al!  Let's do it.  JV?

> 
> Comments welcome :)
> 
> Cheers,
> Al.
> 
> 
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] (no subject)

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liam jackson wrote:
> Hi I have asked several people this question, but do not get any
> replies, I have just installed ubuntu onto my pc at home, but as I am
> not on
line i have to use a library pc for any downloading at present, (i on
the sick and cannot afford it at present). i want to install a different
media player, but just can't seem to do it,
> 1st, do i have to be online to load programes? 2nd, how do i adjust
> the write speed on the cd burner? as it just has
a 1 showing. and cannot be changed,
> I have to admit that i am getting a bit frustrated at the moment, and
> 
seriously considering going back to windows, But i don't realy like the
idea of helping Mr Gates getting richer,
> Please help me, Liam Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED]

If you don't have any success elsewhere, let me know which version of 
Ubuntu and which packages you want.  I will download them and burn to CD 
and  post.

> 
> PS as you may have gathered, i am a complete novice,

Everyone was a n00b as one time or another.  Welcome to Ubuntu/Linux!
> 
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Sound died after last update (Edgy)

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Jim Kissel wrote:
> Sound was working w/t Flash/MP3/DVD/Audio CD  Even BBC Radio 3!  Mid-day 
> yesterday I notices updates were available so after a brief look I 
> updated my system.  Sound still worked, but at 15:01 we had a area power 
> outage for about 45 seconds.  On re-boot no sound and other than a 
> POP/Grunt from the base on boot I haven't been able to get any sounds.
> 
> Also System->Preferences->Devices Tab  any of the Test(s) hand.  The 
> dialogue box appears but the animation bar doesn't move.
> 
> Any help/pointers appricated
> 
> thx

Found I needed to un-mute the PCM channel and turn up it volume.  You 
can do this through the Panel speaker Right-Clict->Open Volume Control
or start alsa-mixer from the command line.

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[ubuntu-uk] Sound died after last update (Edgy)

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Sound was working w/t Flash/MP3/DVD/Audio CD  Even BBC Radio 3!  Mid-day 
yesterday I notices updates were available so after a brief look I 
updated my system.  Sound still worked, but at 15:01 we had a area power 
outage for about 45 seconds.  On re-boot no sound and other than a 
POP/Grunt from the base on boot I haven't been able to get any sounds.

Also System->Preferences->Devices Tab  any of the Test(s) hand.  The 
dialogue box appears but the animation bar doesn't move.

Any help/pointers appricated

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[ubuntu-uk] Audio/Video sync on YouTube

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After years of having a mute computer, I finally wired up the speakers 
to the sound card and decided to have a look at some the on line media. 
Googled up some old videos of T-REX, the Doors.which entertained 
for a few minutes but I found the sound appeared to trail the images by 
1/2 to 1 second.  Very irritating  Is this normal, or is something wrong 
with my set up?

Fisty 32bit non-Automatix non-EasyUbuntu



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] What do you think of this?

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Chris Rowson wrote:
> Just checking out The Register and I found an article about MS's new
> product. Microsoft Surface. Credit where credit's due - I think it
> looks pretty uber! If they've patented the concept behind this, it'd
> be hard to compete in a lot of applications in the future
> 
> What do you think?

A bit of old hat. The sanest comment I've seen was:
"Wow, an electric Ouija board - and probably just as reliable!"
...considering the source.
> 
> http://www.microsoft.com/surface/
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[ubuntu-uk] Viewing Flash with totem-xine

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I was just watching a Flash video about Ubuntu which I found amusing and 
decided to download a copy.  Found the videodownloader plugin for 
Firefox and downloaded it and tried to play it back with the default 
"Movie Player" Toten 2.16.2 (xine-lib 1.1.2  Ubuntu Edgy 6.10)  Playback 
is fine, but there is no sound.  Sound works ok in Firefox from the 
original and the youtube versions via the web.

Video can be found at:
http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS5207234119.html
or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWIrxuF5NSo

There is a reference to the problem in debian
https://develop.participatoryculture.org/trac/democracy/ticket/3927
and a number of suggestions to use ffmpeg to convert it, but I would 
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Project Mangement in Ubuntu

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Matthew Macdonald-Wallace wrote:
> Morning all,
> 
> I'm looking at more and more projects that require "proper" management  
> (i.e. stuff that I can show to clients instead of a "to-do" list!).
> 
> Does anyone have any recommendations for project management software  
> that I can use?

dotProject is a web based project/GANT application

> 
> I run various webservers using LAMP, so if it's web-based, then that's  
> cool (might even be better as I may need to allow others to have  
> access to the system!) and my main desktop is Ubuntu Feisty, so if it  
> works with that, then that's cool.
> 
> Thanks in advance for any advice,
> 
> Matt
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[ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu: Too Good to be True?

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A good, non-technical review/article of Ubuntu
<http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news04/2007/05/ubuntu_review.html>

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Leaflets

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Mark Harrison wrote:
> Jim,
> 
> You make a lot of good points.
> 
> 1: Your list of extra applications that users want that I'd not come up 
> with is excellent, and I'd certainly want to include it.
> 
> 2: Your observations about the "ongoing licencing cost of carrying on 
> with the copy of Windows you already have doesn't take into account 
> Anti-Virus and other subscriptions" is a DAMNED GOOD ONE, and gives me a 
> fantastically better answer to the "so what if it's free - I've already 
> got Windows" argument when talking about "as in pizza."
> 
> BTW, I know that pizza isn't the traditional one here, but I don't drink 
> beer, and the phrase "free, as in red wine" just doesn't translate :-)
> 
> 
> I want to further explain myself in a couple of areas, and disagree with 
> you on one :-)
> 
> 1: The logic of the "linux is stable... most of the www and email 
> servers use it" was not intended to imply "These people use it, and they 
> have needs similar to yours..." Instead it was meant to imply "The kind 
> of people who REALLY care about their machines not crashing choose 
> Linux", and "because Linux is build to this level of reliability, then 
> it's certainly going to be reliable enough for your needs."
> 
> 
> 2: The NTL problem is specific to some regions. NTL have grown not by 
> rolling out a standard system, but by buying up legacy local cable 
> companies. As a result of this, there is a mismash of odd "cable 
> broadband" solutions out there under the NTL brand. (This is why I wrote 
> "...in some areas.") In some areas, for example Clanfield (just north of 
> Porstmouth), a friend of mine had exactly this problem. The broadband 
> solution was two-box - a set-top-box that was provided, and a specific 
> USB network card, that came with Windows software that "registered" as a 
> one-off, the MAC address of the NTL card with a particular subscriber. 
> Looking back, I was trying to set up a router as well as a Linux box, 
> and in the end the only way we could get it to work was to firstly 
> register the MAC address in Windows, then go into the router's config 
> and use MAC address spoofing to make it look as if it was the USB thing 
> that NTL had supplied, then set up the linux box via the router. This is 
> why I said something that boiled down to that "you may need a local 
> expert to set this kind of thing up". Had it been a single PC running 
> Windows, it all worked out of the box.
> 
> 
> 3: I want to disagree with you on one thing you pulled me up for. And 
> it's a "taken in context" disagreement rather than an absolute 
> disagreement...
> 
> I wrote:
>  >>Ubuntu applies a set of defaults that mean that, even if a user 
> clicks on a virus by mistake, they won't make it infect the PC.
> 
> You responded:
>  > Don't just single out Ubuntu for praise. All *nix's share these 
> attributes.
> 
> Firstly: We're in the middle of a thread about Marketing on the 
> Ubuntu-UK mailing list :-) I make no apology for promoting Ubuntu 
> generally, but specially not on this particular list :-)

Apologies.  I forgot that the thread was Ubuntu.

> 
> Secondly: It is, alas, not true that all *nix's share these attributes. 
> There have been well-publicised examples of Linux distributions where 
> the ONLY user account created was root, and that all applications the 
> user ran ran as root. I agree it doesn't apply to Debian / Suse / Gentoo 
> / Fedora / [insert your favourite here], but the point behind this is 
> that the security model is only as secure as its set of default choices.
> 
> I wanted to allude to the fact that in choosing Linux, the average user 
> is in fact choosing a specific distribution, and wanted to play up (as I 
> did again later about applications working together) Ubuntu as a good 
> choice :-)
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Mark
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Leaflets

[Jim Kissel]

ne as big as Microsoft, could ever afford."
> 
> 
> Personally, I always like tables that say "When should you use X, when 
> should you use Y" that deliberately come up with circumstances when 
> using a competitor's product is better - they come over as honest (even 
> if they are always self serving.)... and you also make the reasons to 
> use the competitor sound very niche.
> 
> 
> Why Linux?
> 
> - It's stable - most of the world's web servers and email servers run 
> Linux because it crashes much, much less.

Good point, but not exactly germane to individuals/SOHO/SMBs

> 
> - It's more secure - Linux was developed with a sophsticated security 
> model from the ground up, and Ubuntu applies a set of defaults that mean 
> that, even if a user clicks on a virus by mistake, they won't make it 
> infect the PC. (As an aside, most viruses are written to only work on 
> Windows - because it's a lot easier to write a virus that attacks Windows.)

Don't just single out Ubuntu for praise. All *nix's share these attributes.

> 
> - There are a huge number of applications specifically designed to work 
> together. In the Windows world it's very easy for a programmer to write 
> one program that accidently causes another program to stop working. On 
> Linux, because of the way that the code used to write programs is almost 
> always available, it's very, very hard for a program to have these 
> problems. Indeed, one of the things the Ubuntu community does is 
> specifically check that things won't interfere with each other before 
> they are included in a distribution.

Consider:  "I can update all the applications installed on my PC with a 
couple of mouse clicks"  Try that with any MS product + third part s/w

Consider: "My system unobtrusively informs me of software updates, every 
time I log in.  Updates are are made available when they are ready, not 
on 'Patch Tuesday'.  The same application can be used to upgrade (to a 
new release/version) my entire system."

> 
> 
> Why Windows?
> 
> - At the moment, more PC vendors ship machines with Windows 
> pre-installed than have Linux as an option. (However, many small local 
> manufacturers offer Linux - it tends to be the big US multinationals 
> that are pro-Microsoft, and Dell have recently started shipping Linux as 
> an option, though today that's only available in the US.)
> 
> - Some applications are written to only work on Windows. In most cases 
> (email, web browsers, spreadsheet, word processing, audio editing, video 
> editing, blogging, web-site creation) there are either versions that run 
> on Linux, or Linux alternatives that work as well. However, quite a few 
> acquistion
> Games are only available for Windows, so if you're a hardcore gamer, 
> then you may be better buying an £800 Windows "gaming specification" PC 
> than a £300 Linux "work, homework and web browsing PC".

Add my vote to that opinion.

> 
> - If you use NTL cable broadband in some areas, then only Windows 
> software will be provided. It is possible to get this working with 
> Linux, but quite fiddly and you may need to find a local linux user to 
> help (there are Linux user groups in all parts of the UK.)

Please educate me as to what software NTL/cable broadband supplies that 
is Windows only.  While I will agree, you need to be a little bit more 
independent/knowledgeable, I cannot envisage needing and ISP supplied 
software.

> 
> - If you are on a company email system that uses the Microsoft 
> "Exchange" server, then this is designed to work with Windows only. If 
> you use email from the likes of Google, AOL, Hotmail, Virgin or the like 
> - these email servers actually run Linux (though they do work with 
> Windows machines.)

There are more alternatives for e-mail than you mention and it is 
possible e-mail through an MS Exchange server with Linux based software.
> 
> 
> Reasons why you could you use either?

My totally non-scientific survey of computer usage shows the top tasks 
"most users" preform are:
Surf the Web/Search the Internet
Send/Receive E-mail
Word Processing
and sometimes use a spread sheet or create a presentation
and very occasionally a personal database

Additionally the "home" user want to edit/manage their photos, playback 
CD/DVD

Both groups mentioned Skype and Video Conferencing and  IM/IRC

Where OSS/FS is weak. Games, "the Print industry" as they "need" a Mac 
and many/most graphic designers are Apple based.

> 
> - Linux and Windows both run "OpenOffice.org" - an application that can 
> edit "Word, Excel and Powerpoint" files.
> 
> - Both surf the web equally well. Indeed, the Firefox web-browser, 
> originally written for Linux, has now been made available for Windows. 
> This includes audio and video playback, as well as things like "Flash" 
> and "Ajax" that some websites use for more sophisticated effects.
> 
> - Audio-editing, graphics and video-editing packages are available for 
> each. Generally, the Windows versions cost a few hundred quid and the 
> Linux versions are free.
> 
> 
> Reasons why you should "pirate" a copy of Windows instead of using Linux?
> 
> - Because you like breaking the law and being prosecuted.
> 

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[ubuntu-uk] Dell picks Ubuntu for Linux PCs

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The wow really starts now!
<http://news.com.com/Dell+picks+Ubuntu+for+Linux+PCs/2100-7344_3-6180419.html>
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[ubuntu-uk] document template/layout query

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Anyone have a good document template/sytle/example document for layout 
of a FAQ?


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] GetGNULinux.Org

[Jim Kissel]

Alan Pope wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 09:57:36AM +0100, Jim Kissel wrote:
>> So do I, but some people at the local LUG have taken exception to it. 
> 
> Heh. Linux User Groups are a great melting pot of opinions. They're great 
> for just this kind of zealotary stuff. :) and :(
> 
>> Even worse, I once commented to the effect that Ubuntu was the 
>> same/similar to Debian.  I got my head handed to me on a platter for 
>> that one, but oddly enough Ian Murdock thinks that Ubuntu-Debian are the 
>>   same.  "I do consider Ubuntu to be Debian"  Ian Murdock, Linux Format, 
>> LXF92 May 2007.
>>
> 
> It's been said to me that Ian Murdock has been somewhat irrelavent to the 
> Linux (and indeed Debian) community for some years now, and very soon Sun 
> will realise that and want to sell him back to us.

I realize that Ian hasn't been active in the Debian development for some 
time.  I didn't realise he was considered irrelevant by some members of 
the Linux/Debian community.  raison d'etre?

> 
> Cheers,
> Al.
> 

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] GetGNULinux.Org

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Toby Smithe wrote:
> On Wed, 2007-04-11 at 09:30 +0100, Jim Kissel wrote:
>> Every time I get sucked into this debate, I reflect back that John Q. 
>> Public/Joe Sixpack calls it Linux.  You may not like it, and probably 
>> don't, but that's not going to change the general public's mind as to 
>> it's proper name.
>>
>> "...but we should educate the public to the error of their ways" and 
>> perhaps we should, but remember that it is a difficult job to teach a 
>> pig to sing, and it annoys the pig.
> 
> Oh yes, and I also just call it Linux. Or Ubuntu.
> 
So do I, but some people at the local LUG have taken exception to it. 
Even worse, I once commented to the effect that Ubuntu was the 
same/similar to Debian.  I got my head handed to me on a platter for 
that one, but oddly enough Ian Murdock thinks that Ubuntu-Debian are the 
  same.  "I do consider Ubuntu to be Debian"  Ian Murdock, Linux Format, 
LXF92 May 2007.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] GetGNULinux.Org

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Toby Smithe wrote:
> On Wed, 2007-04-11 at 09:02 +0100, Jim Kissel wrote:
>> Interesting results showing the tail is wagging the dog.  When ever the 
>> conversation took a turn down the GNU/Linux path, I always thought of:
>>
>> GNU/Linux/X/Apache/OOo/Gnome/KDE/add you favourite package here
>>
>> ...named operating system.
> 
> Ahh, but you see they aren't all necessarily common to all Linux
> distributions, are they? The one thing that you can safely say, at least
> currently, is that all Linux distributions have at least the Linux
> kernel and GNU tools as a base system. They may not all bundle
> "Gnome/KDE/add you favourite package here", but they do bundle the GNU
> stuffs.
> 
Every time I get sucked into this debate, I reflect back that John Q. 
Public/Joe Sixpack calls it Linux.  You may not like it, and probably 
don't, but that's not going to change the general public's mind as to 
it's proper name.

"...but we should educate the public to the error of their ways" and 
perhaps we should, but remember that it is a difficult job to teach a 
pig to sing, and it annoys the pig.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] GetGNULinux.Org

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Scrase, Eddie wrote:
> Here is an interesting take on the Linux vs GNU/Linux debate that I came
> across a little while ago:
> 
> http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/blogs/gnu_linux_neither

Interesting results showing the tail is wagging the dog.  When ever the 
conversation took a turn down the GNU/Linux path, I always thought of:

GNU/Linux/X/Apache/OOo/Gnome/KDE/add you favourite package here

...named operating system.

> 
> 

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Novell adverts

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Alan Pope wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 27, 2007 at 10:56:12AM +0100, Chris Rowson wrote:
>> It'd be a great idea if Ubuntu was to set up a site where users could
>> contribute videos to advertise Ubuntu - like mozilla did with
>> http://www.firefoxflicks.com
>>
> 
> This has been suggested in the past. As far as I can tell it never moved off 
> the "this would be nice" drawing board.
> 
> Congratulations on volunteering to take up the batton.. :)

Alan is being modest here.  He has already contributed several "howto" 
screen casts.  Check out
<http://doc.ubuntu.com/screencasts/>

Other reference URL's for Ubuntu videos are:
<http://ubuntuclips.org/most_recent>
and
<http://www.ubuntuvideo.com/>

> 
> Cheers,
> Al.
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