[ubuntu-uk] [Marketing] How to increase OSS Exposure

[andy]

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Guys,

On the back of the release of the podcast, I though it sensible to
either publish, or work out and then publish, what the targets of
ubuntu-uk are in regards to marketing.

One of the issues that has come up on the openoffice.org lists is the
fact that there's very little marketing power in Open Source.  The
general public doesn't have the exposure to ubuntu and FLOSS in general
that the likes of Apple and MS have.

There's alot of good volunteer projects running to try and fix this;
however, we need to find a way of playing the system in order to get the
exposure we need.

Now I can't pretend that I know how to do this (If I did know I could
probably make a lot more money than I am currently) - but it's something
that I think we should consider.


Whilst we want to push ubuntu as much as possible - pushing FLOSS in
general is going to help create an environment in which Ubuntu can thrive.

Does anyone have an ideas how we should go about this?  Is our current
growth rate acceptable/sustainable or should we be pushing for increased
growth rates?

One idea I've had (and I'm hoping others will have more to contribute)
is that we try and cover new adoptions of ubuntu over the UK in the
podcast.  i.e. a 'ubuntu taking over the UK little by little' section.

Regards,

Andy
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music to your ears, something new for the UK

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Ciemon Dunville wrote:
> Last weekend four of us got together, with four microphones and some
> other gadgets to do a little recording.
> 
> The last few days has seen some frantic activity editing audio files,
> and web pages so that we could launch the podcast.
> 
> I could post a lot more here, but I think I'll let the site and
> podcast introduce themselves.
> 
> Ladies and Gents. http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Ciemon
> 

Ciemon,

Just listening to the podcast now.  It's sounding good to me - the
levels do need honing a small bit, but it's a brilliant first attempt.

For future reference, I'm currently in the process of having a recording
studio/'big soundproofed garage' being built at my home.  I should hope
to be able to invite a few 'ubuntu-uk'-ers to record a Birmingham-based
episode in a few weeks (when it's finished).

I like the guest that you've got on the show - nice spread.

I can understand Chris' p.o.v. regarding the fact that he volunteered
and heard nothing until this announcement.  Perhaps a future 'protocol'
would be to let everyone who has 'volunteered' know that the project is
moving ahead without letting everyone else in the community know.

Hopefully we won't have lost Chris's contribution due to this, and we
have a nice healthy podcast that we can take forward and make our own.

Well done guys.

Andy L


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] groupware

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> Yep: Sent


Thank you.

Andy
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] groupware

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Kris Douglas wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 7:32 PM, James Saveker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  Daniel Lamb wrote:
> 
> 
>>>> Hi does anyone have experience with any groupware apps?
>  > What would you suggest as the best one for a small business server
>  > replacement?
> 
>  > Regards,
>  > Daniel
> 
> 
> 
>  I do quite like Zimbra (http://www.zimbra.com/community/downloads.html).
>   I used Horde many years ago as my university used it for webmail I
>  did not get on well with it.
> 
>  Just my $0.02
> 
>  Jimbo.
>  

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> I just received an email from cPanel saying Horde is hideously
> insecure at the moment..

Kris,

Any chance you could forward me that email please?

Thanks,

Andy
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] groupware

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Daniel Lamb wrote:
> Hi does anyone have experience with any groupware apps?
> What would you suggest as the best one for a small business server
> replacement?
> 
> Regards,
> Daniel
> 
> 

Daniel,

I've had a lot of sucess using horde.  Unfortunately, due to company
policy, we run it on a CentOS system - but I'm sure setting it up on
ubuntu would be fine.

It's a well-featured product, and it's moving towards an "ajax-y" UI in
the next version so will just get prettier.

Zimbra is also good if you've got a dedicated server for it (with at
least 2GB RAM for 5< users.

Regards,

Andy
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[ubuntu-uk] Printer sharing

[Andy Watts]

Hi Guys

We have 2 PCs in the house and l'd like to be able to print from this 
one. The printer is installed on my wife's PC which runs Win2KPro.

l have a wired router and am not sure what is required to be setup.

Hopefully there's a FAQ lurking somewhere :)


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Broadband

[Andy Watts]

Micro Mart were slagging off Tiscali in the Feb edition
>
> I think that Tiscali do this, when a wrong address is typed, it brings 
> up a page of ads, like this 
> :http://results.ispconnect.co.uk/main?AddInType=Bdns&Version=1.3.0&FailureMode=1&ParticipantID=iu4dlszggyivxb0k1g8afi94imr4lkbt&ClientLocation=uk&Referer=&FailedURI=http%3A%2F%2Ffwrjgjrngwrnbwf.com%2F&SearchQuery=
>
> I am now looking for a new ISP, also the tiscali service seems to be 
> getting slower, I know they use traffic shaping.
>
> Mj


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Where are we with Green?

[andy]

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Rob Beard wrote:
> andy wrote:
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>> I've been listening to the BIG GREEN IT DEBATE on the register.. and
>> although it's no where nearly finished (more or less just started)..
>> there's already one point I'd love us to discuss.
>>
>> One of the things that comes up when discussing 'Green motors' is what
>> I'd like to introduce as the Land Rover paradox.
>>
>> "70% of all Land Rovers ever made are still on the road."
>>
>> Once you take into account the energy required throughout the life of a
>> car, including assembly and destruction - are Land Rovers actually that
>> bad for the environment.
>>
>> IMHO, ubuntu may fit into the Land Rover, rather than Toyota Prius
>> category, for a number of reasons.
>>
>> 1) Power Management - where are we at with ubuntu at the moment?  My
>> perception (this will/may be wrong) is that much of the onboard power
>> management is managed through propreitary code, therefore ubuntu
>> performs worse that XP.. par example (but much better than Vista.. on a
>> hunch).
>>
> 
> My dual core 'Pentium Dual Core' is happily running at 1.2GHz at the 
> moment (slowed down from 1.8GHz), it's independent per core too.  That's 
> all controlled by the Powernow Daemon...
> 
> Here's the output from powernowd --help
> 
> "PowerNow Daemon v0.97, (c) 2003-2005 John Clemens
> Daemon to control the speed and voltage of cpus.
> 
> This is a simple client to the CPUFreq driver, and uses
> linux kernel v2.5 sysfs interface.  You need a supported
> cpu, and a kernel that supports sysfs to run this daemon."
> 
> Sounds to me like it's GPL'd.
> 
> It is controlled by Powernowd too, when I tried to overclock my CPU to 
> around 3GHz it kept going back to 1.8GHz/1.2GHz until I disabled 
> powernowd which in turn disabled the power saving.
> 
> That's better than my desktop PC at work running XP which sometimes 
> sounds like a jet engine taking off (it's a Dell Optiplex GX620 with a 
> Pentium D 820 (2.8GHz) with power saving turned off in the BIOS).
> 
>> 2) Re-use.  Ubuntu saves having to re-buy PCs... However, if the
>> efficiency of the new PC means that it'll use less energy, surely
>> there's an argument that upgrading the hardware is more environmentally
>> efficient  - we need some better data to support the ubuntu approach (if
>> there is indeed one).
> 
> Ubuntu can be used in a client/server environment just like Windows 
> 2000/2003 Server.  This is what I'm doing at a local community centre in 
> Exeter.  We're using a fairly mid spec Dell PowerEdge server with a new 
> Intel Xeon Quadcore CPU (2.4Ghz) which will run Ubuntu (or possibly 
> Edubuntu) with LTSP.  The client machines are old K6/2 450 machines 
> which according to the AMD specs use no more than about 36 watts.  Add 
> on the fact that they run completely over the network (no hard drives, 
> no optical drives) they don't have any moving parts (apart from the CPU 
> & PSU fans) and save energy.  They'll be attached to 19" TFT monitors.
> 
> I'd say they'd use less than my desktop PC with it's hard drives and DVD 
> drive in there.
> 
>> 3) Linux versus MS.  Is there anything to suggest that linux boxes are
>> more power efficient.  This doesn't have to be at a hardware/software
>> level either.  More about policy and application.  Linux boxes don't
>> crash, so we never shut them down.. meaning they're never off.  Discuss.
>>
> 
> Not sure on that, I'd say efficiency wise, they're probably about the 
> same.  I guess you could argue that Vista with all it's fancy effects 
> requires a fairly decent spec CPU and graphics card whereas Ubuntu will 
> run it's fancy effects on a much lower spec machine.
> 
> With regards to never shutting the machines down, it depends on the 
> user.  Some people leave their machines on due to lazyness (I can think 
> of a couple of people at work who do this), others leave them on because 
> they run background apps.  I guess both Linux and Windows when idle will 
> use much less power plus put the screens into a standby mode.
> 
> Not sure if anyone is aware, but next month is Green Month, at least it 
> is on the One Network of radio stations 
> (http://commercial.gcapmedia.com/index.php?id=8 - Gemini in Devon, BRMB 
> in Birmingham, Red Dragon in Cardiff etc).
> 
> In the stations we're trying to save energy by turning PCs

[ubuntu-uk] Where are we with Green?

[andy]

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I've been listening to the BIG GREEN IT DEBATE on the register.. and
although it's no where nearly finished (more or less just started)..
there's already one point I'd love us to discuss.

One of the things that comes up when discussing 'Green motors' is what
I'd like to introduce as the Land Rover paradox.

"70% of all Land Rovers ever made are still on the road."

Once you take into account the energy required throughout the life of a
car, including assembly and destruction - are Land Rovers actually that
bad for the environment.

IMHO, ubuntu may fit into the Land Rover, rather than Toyota Prius
category, for a number of reasons.

1) Power Management - where are we at with ubuntu at the moment?  My
perception (this will/may be wrong) is that much of the onboard power
management is managed through propreitary code, therefore ubuntu
performs worse that XP.. par example (but much better than Vista.. on a
hunch).

2) Re-use.  Ubuntu saves having to re-buy PCs... However, if the
efficiency of the new PC means that it'll use less energy, surely
there's an argument that upgrading the hardware is more environmentally
efficient  - we need some better data to support the ubuntu approach (if
there is indeed one).

3) Linux versus MS.  Is there anything to suggest that linux boxes are
more power efficient.  This doesn't have to be at a hardware/software
level either.  More about policy and application.  Linux boxes don't
crash, so we never shut them down.. meaning they're never off.  Discuss.

I'm coming in at a tangent, but would be interested to hear other
people's perceptions of the 'Green-ness' of ubuntu - and some input from
people who can give hard facts on the performance of ubuntu power
management.

Regards,

Andy Loughran
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Accounting software ?

[Andy Watts]

Hi Guys

many thanks for the suggestions, they have all been passed on to "She 
who must be obeyed" :)

Andy - Salisbury



Andy Watts wrote:
> Hi People
>
> l'm interested to know whether there is a Linux alternative to Sage.. l 
> might be able to get my wife to start using Ubuntu if there's something 
> available that will allow her to import customers data properly.
> __
> Andy - Salisbury
> The wrong side of 40 but having fun with Linux
> Thanks 
> <http://ubuntuforums.org/post_thanks.php?do=post_thanks_add&p=4401348>
>
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Switched hard drives

[Andy Watts]

Many many thanks for the information :)

It was humourous and informative..

Andy



Andrew Oakley wrote:
> Andy Watts wrote:
>   
>> Chris Rowson wrote:
>> 
>>>>>> l have 2 hard drives in my machine, 1 with windows 2k and the other with
>>>>>> Ubuntu on it. l've tried having them both connected to the same ribbon
>>>>>> and rebooting with either of the 2 hard drives powered. Sadly it doesn't
>>>>>> seem to work so l wonder whether there's a solution..Both drives are set
>>>>>> as masters.. l don't want to have both OSs on the same hard drive
>>>>>> 
>
> Okay, that tells us what you DON'T want to do. ;-)
>
> What is it that you DO want to do?
>
> * Dual boot using separate hard drives?
>
> * Have removable drives?
>
> * Something else? What?
>
> Also... are you using IDE/ATA drives (wide flat ribbon) or SATA (thin 
> cable)?
>
>   
>>> I'm assuming you've got a boot loader (Windows - NT loader I think? -
>>> or GRUB for Linux) installed on one of the hard drives. You'll need
>>> this on the bootable drive so that your PC knows where the operating
>>> system resides.
>>>   
>
> I think Andy might be trying to switch off (electrically) one or other 
> IDE hard drives... if so, a boot loader on only one of those drives 
> won't help.
>
> I suspect Andy is fundamentally misunderstanding the relationship 
> between master/slave and boot options. I suspect Andy thinks a drive has 
> to be master to be bootable (which is incorrect).
>
>   
>> l did try setting both to masters, installing a switch on the -ve rail 
>> of the 2 molexes. Sadly it didn't work :(
>> 
>
> Yeah, that really won't.
>
> Why have you set them both as masters on the same cable?
>
> * You want removable drives (because you're clever, and you might want 
> to move the drive to another PC one day), or you want to be able to 
> entirely switch off a drive (because you're trying to run on the 
> absolute minimum current draw, perhaps because your machine is running 
> from 12V DC battery such as a car or van, or because you're just REALLY 
> stingy with the electricity bill)
>
> In this case, buy a removable drive caddy or a USB external drive 
> enclosure. Removable caddies are about ten quid and fit into a 5.25" 
> CD/DVD slot.
>
> (Note that the environmental cost of manufacturing the caddy will vastly 
> exceed the environmental cost of leaving the second drive switched on, 
> in case you think this is some kind of "green" option; unused drives 
> will switch into low-power mode anyway)
>
> * You want to dual boot in the traditional manner
>
> Set one as master and put your boot loader on it, such as GRUB. 
> Configure this one boot loader to offer the option to boot off either 
> drive. See the GRUB documentation or ask here for more help configuring 
> GRUB across two drives (clue: HD0, HD1).
>
> Set the other as slave. You won't need a boot loader on the slave, since 
> the boot loader on the master drive will be able to boot off either 
> drive (and indeed off any other connected bootable device).
>
> * You want to dual boot through BIOS (because you hate configuring boot 
> loaders, and your BIOS offers a simple boot menu such as Dell's F12 
> option, and you're just a bit awkward like that)
>
> Set one as master and the other as slave. The BIOS boot options will 
> allow you to boot off drive 0, drive 1 etc.
>
> Note that this still won't allow you to switch off the unused drive 
> whilst the PC is running. But it will allow you to remove/disconnect the 
>   slave drive (but not the master) once the PC is switched off.
>
> * You don't want removable drives but you are determined to have two 
> bootable drives that are masters (because both of the hard drives have 
> had their master/slave jumpers permanently forced into the master 
> position in an unfortunate but surprisingly selective accident with a 
> soldering iron / tube of superglue / welding rod, OR, your hard drives 
> are set to master by default and you've lost the jumpers)
>
> Install the drives on separate cables. Change the jumpers on your CD/DVD 
> drive to be a slave.
>
> (I have some spare hard drive jumpers if you want one? Send an SAE to A 
> Oakley, 7 Frampton Cottages, GL20 8NX)
>
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Remote Desktop Sharing

[andy]

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Rob Beard wrote:
> Quoting andy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> 
>> I just thought I'd give a heads up on Remote Desktop.  A
>> Manchester-based company are going to release their remote desktop
>> connection software on ubuntu.  It's already got mac and windows clients
>> in BETA - and they're currently working on the installer for ubuntu.
>> This should be released soon.
>>
> 
> Interesting, it it Open Source or Proprietory?
> 
> Rob
> 
> 
> 

They are proprietary, but...

- From their site:

Business model

When we say free we mean free. The only thing that will cost you money
is dialling our voice conferencing service, but even that is cheap (its
90% cheaper than BT over the UK for example). We have some cool new
features coming out soon that we'll ask you to pay some money for if you
really want them, but what you are using now will always be free. So enjoy!
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Remote Desktop Sharing

[andy]

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Alan Pope wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 25, 2008 at 03:22:42PM +0000, andy wrote:
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>> Guys,
>>
>> I just thought I'd give a heads up on Remote Desktop.  A
>> Manchester-based company are going to release their remote desktop
>> connection software on ubuntu.  It's already got mac and windows clients
>> in BETA - and they're currently working on the installer for ubuntu.
>> This should be released soon.
>>
> 
> URL?
> 
> Cheers,
> Al.
> 

www.yuuguu.com

;)

Andy.
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[ubuntu-uk] Remote Desktop Sharing

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Guys,

I just thought I'd give a heads up on Remote Desktop.  A
Manchester-based company are going to release their remote desktop
connection software on ubuntu.  It's already got mac and windows clients
in BETA - and they're currently working on the installer for ubuntu.
This should be released soon.

I tried out the client between a mac and a XP machine - and it works
well.  Performance isn't better than anything else I've tried (NX, VNC)
and the interface is nice and simple.

Just thought it's the sort of software we like to see.. (soon-to-be)
proper cross-platform stuff.

Regards,

Andy
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Software Freedom Day 2008

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Paul Mellors wrote:
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Ciaran Mooney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "British Ubuntu Talk" 
> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 11:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Software Freedom Day 2008
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'll organise a Birmingham Team again. But this year I want MORE! :)
> 
> If your in the Midlands and want to help, email me.
> 
> Ciarán
> 
> 
> On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 10:09 PM, Rob Beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Alan Pope wrote:
>>  > It's that time again!
>>  >
>>  > Ok, it isn't, but it's worth mentioning that Software Freedom Day 2008 
>> is on
>>  > 20th September this year. Just a heads up so you might want to put it 
>> in
>>  > your diary and start thinking about what we can do this year.
>>  >
>>  > Cheers,
>>  > Al.
>>  >
>>
>>  Well in Devon & Cornwall (if the Devon & Cornwall LUG can agree!) we may
>>  be having three events running on the day, one in Penzance, one in
>>  Plymouth and another in Exeter.  Of course this is currently in theory,
>>  actually pulling it off is another matter!
>>
>>  Rob
>>
>>
>>
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Ciaran,

If I'm about I should be glad to help.  I'll hopefully see you at a
SBLUG meeting before then too.

Regards,

Andy
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[ubuntu-uk] Accounting software ?

[Andy Watts]

Hi People

l'm interested to know whether there is a Linux alternative to Sage.. l 
might be able to get my wife to start using Ubuntu if there's something 
available that will allow her to import customers data properly.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Switched hard drives

[Andy Watts]

Chris Rowson wrote:
>>>> Hi people
>>>>
>>>> l do hope that this hasn't been asked too many times before..
>>>>
>>>> l have 2 hard drives in my machine, 1 with windows 2k and the other with
>>>> Ubuntu on it. l've tried having them both connected to the same ribbon
>>>> and rebooting with either of the 2 hard drives powered. Sadly it doesn't
>>>> seem to work so l wonder whether there's a solution..Both drives are set
>>>> as masters.. l don't want to have both OSs on the same hard drive
>>>>
>>>> Please could someone offer a solution
>>>> 
>
> I'm assuming you've got a boot loader (Windows - NT loader I think? -
> or GRUB for Linux) installed on one of the hard drives. You'll need
> this on the bootable drive so that your PC knows where the operating
> system resides.
>
> Chris
>
>   
Many thanks for the info Guys..

l did try setting both to masters, installing a switch on the -ve rail 
of the 2 molexes. Sadly it didn't work :(

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT: (Nanny) OGG Files

[Andy]

On 23/02/2008, Ian Pascoe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I need to try
>  and find a plug in for eithre Windows Media or REAL that will play (Nanny)
>  OGG audio files - anyone know of any and where to get them?

Try: http://vorbis.com/
Windows setup details: http://vorbis.com/setup_windows/

WMP uses direct show so you can use:
http://www.illiminable.com/ogg/downloads.html#stable

As for Realplayer I'm not sure the plugin is finished yet.

Have you considered VLC?

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[ubuntu-uk] Switched hard drives

[Andy Watts]

Hi people

l do hope that this hasn't been asked too many times before..

l have 2 hard drives in my machine, 1 with windows 2k and the other with 
Ubuntu on it. l've tried having them both connected to the same ribbon 
and rebooting with either of the 2 hard drives powered. Sadly it doesn't 
seem to work so l wonder whether there's a solution..Both drives are set 
as masters.. l don't want to have both OSs on the same hard drive

Please could someone offer a solution
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] mailing lists

[andy]

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Matthew Wild wrote:
> On Feb 8, 2008 2:36 PM, John Levin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Kirrus wrote:
>>> - "Andrew Oakley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Failing all of those, Yahoo Groups is one of the better free web-based
>>>> mailing list managers, and certainly VERY easy to use. Although
>>>>
>>> I would recommend staying away from Yahoo Groups - They stick adverts all 
>>> over your email. (I play on a Play-By-Email Role Playing Game, which uses 
>>> yahoo groups for it's mailing list.)
>>>
>> I didn't think of hosted services.
>>
>> Avoiding Yahoo is seconded; ads everywhere.
>>
> 
> Avoiding Yahoo is thirded... I have used Google Groups many times, and
> don't have any complaints.
> 
> http://groups.google.co.uk/
> 
> Matthew.
> 

I was wondering where I signed up to puppetry courses...

Let me know when you're re-organised so I can remove myself.

Regards,

Andy
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Anyway of downloading Iplayer?

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Rob Beard wrote:
> On Wed, 2008-02-06 at 12:58 +, Javad Ayaz wrote:
>> not much help then! well im sure someway will come along soon
> 
> Well you could get yourself a Freeview box with a hard drive in.  I've
> seen them somewhere (Argos I think) for under £80 with a big hard drive
> in.  You'd get hours of stuff on there.  Best get a dual tuner one
> though.
> 
> Or... fit a DVB-T Freeview card to your PC (or plug in a Freeview stick)
> and install MythTV which will record what you want in better quality
> without the DRM restrictions.
> 
> There are other ways of downloading the TV programmes using Bit Torrent
> too and you can find instructions on Google if you search enough.
> 
> Rob
> 
> 
> 
There's also been lots of work done on the iPlayer by the OSC.  The BBC
today have committed to having an OSX version by the end of the year -
so providing the OSC keep up their pressure - expect to see an open
source one there too.

Andy
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] External drive.... Grrr

[Andy Watts]

Hi Tom

l will try a different drive later. The one l'm trying to use is a small
Hitachi 2.5" drive which is a few years old although l do have a brand
new 80gig maxtor that l could try.

The USB caddy works with XP on my wife's machine although not with Win
2K pro.

GParted tells me: mount_point cannot contain the following characters:
newline, G_DIR_SEPERATOR (usually /)

Thanks,
Andy


On Wed, 2008-02-06 at 19:41 +, Tom Bamford wrote:

> 
> Hi,
> 
> It looks similar to messages generated on machines I've had problems 
> with USB. If you have another drive to test, can you tell if it's just 
> that device with a problem or all USB storage devices you try to use? Is 
> it an optical drive you're trying with?
> 
> Tom
> 


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[ubuntu-uk] External drive.... Grrr

[Andy Watts]

Hi people

could some kind soul desipher the following dmesg output for me please. it's a 
drive that XP recognises ok

[11226.398993] usb 2-3: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 18
[11226.578921] usb 2-3: device descriptor read/64, error -62
[11226.862848] usb 2-3: device descriptor read/64, error -62
[11227.142763] usb 2-3: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 19
[11227.322706] usb 2-3: device descriptor read/64, error -62
[11227.606619] usb 2-3: device descriptor read/64, error -62
[11227.886534] usb 2-3: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 20
[11228.294392] usb 2-3: device not accepting address 20, error -62
[11228.470354] usb 2-3: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 21
[11228.878213] usb 2-3: device not accepting address 21, error -62
[11229.182136] usb 2-3: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 22
[11229.362080] usb 2-3: device descriptor read/64, error -62
[11229.645982] usb 2-3: device descriptor read/64, error -62
[11229.925890] usb 2-3: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 23
[11230.105851] usb 2-3: device descriptor read/64, error -62
[11230.389770] usb 2-3: device descriptor read/64, error -62
[11230.669676] usb 2-3: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 24
[11231.077533] usb 2-3: device not accepting address 24, error -62
[11231.253484] usb 2-3: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 25
[11231.661356] usb 2-3: device not accepting address 25, error -62
[11595.778861] UDF-fs: No VRS found
[11596.570292] ISO 9660 Extensions: Microsoft Joliet Level 3
[11598.002033] ISO 9660 Extensions: RRIP_1991A


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] I _NEED_ one of these...

[Andy Watts]

On Tue, 05 Feb 2008 14:37:57 +
Keith Bowerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> On Tue, 2008-02-05 at 13:19 +, Alan Pope wrote:
> > On Tue, Feb 05, 2008 at 01:19:05PM +, Matthew Macdonald-Wallace
> > wrote:
> > > http://www.tuxisalive.com/
> > > 
> > 
> > Oooh, we're having a wishlist day are we? :)
> > 
> > Right, I want one of these:-
> > 
> > http://www.irextechnologies.com/products/iliad
> > 
> 
> Popey,
> 
> I was bought one for my (special) birthday (regrettably neither 18th
> nor 21st) last July and it's proved to be one of the best gadgets
> I've ever had (and I've had a lot)!
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Keith.
> 
Looks good to me.. Kinda reminds me of Star Trek 

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC news site

[Andy Watts]

Many thanks guys

l also found the answer at 
http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/nonfree

lt's up and running now, just wish the news wasn't so depressing :)


On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 11:51:33 +
Alan Pope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 05, 2008 at 11:38:33AM +, Andy Watts wrote:
> > What player would be best when trying to view the video clips under
> > Firefox ? l guess there are alternatives to Realplayer ..
> > 
> 
> This is a bit of a FAQ:-
> 
> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/2007-July/005825.html
> 
> Cheers,
> Al.
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[ubuntu-uk] BBC news site

[Andy Watts]

Hi Guys

Just started using Ubuntu and could do with some advice please.

What player would be best when trying to view the video clips under
Firefox ? l guess there are alternatives to Realplayer ..

Many thanks,
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] HI

[Andy Watts]

Hi there, yes it's a lovely system..

On Tue, 5 Feb 2008 07:46:35 +
"Robert Gardner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> HI
> New to Linux/UBUNTU and happily amazed how friendly everyone is.
> Wish I knew about this YEARS AGO.

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[ubuntu-uk] Hi from Salisbury

[Andy Watts]

Hi People

Recently joined the mailing list..

Have experimented with Xubuntu, Mandriva and SuSe but have finally
settled with Ubuntu with the Claws mailer.. The name is apt as my wife
spent most of her life living in Zimbabwe

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Opensource Event in Brizzol - 5 February

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James Westby wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-01-24 at 17:17 +, Pete Stean wrote:
>> Is anyone from Ubuntu UK involved in this? Quite an opportunity for
>> some blatant self-promotion of the Ubuntu brand if anyone is...
>>
>> http://www.bristolwireless.net/wiki/index.php/SocialSourceSouthWest
>>
> 
> Hi,
> 
> This is down my neck of the woods, so I will probably pop along.
> 
> If anyone else needs somewhere for a cup of tea feel free to send
> me a message and we can organise it.
> 
> The Bristol Wireless group do some really interesting things,
> it's worth having a look round their site if you haven't already.
> For instance they maintain a custom Debian distribution:
> 
> http://www.bristolwireless.net/wiki/index.php/Debian%20Linux
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> James
> 
> 
> 
They're also quite a friendly bunch.  I met up with a couple at a few
conferences summer 2006.  Nice People.
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Cadbury Snaps WAS: Chocolate Oranges WAS: By way of introduction

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Pete Stean wrote:
> you could of course just go for instant gratification, and go out and
> buy one of the tubes of Cadbury's chocolate 'Snaps'

If you were to do that, then I recommend the mint over the orange
though.  I find the orange version a bit too sickly as the orange is of
a stronger flavour than the Chocolate Orange.

and Welcome to the list :)

Andy
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Put your questions to Bill Gates

[Andy]

On 02/01/2008, Kirrus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Anyone got any questions?

How about "Have you bought an X0 Laptop? If so does it still have the
non-Windows OS on it?"

or "Why do you not want to compete on a level playing field with
products such as Open Office, Linux and Mac? Is it because your
products aren't good enough?"

Andy

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Central authentication in Ubuntu

[andy]

Chris Rowson wrote:
> Hello folks,
>
> I've been wondering for a while, how I could put in place some kind of
> central authentication for a series of Ubuntu desktops/laptops.
>
> At work, I achieve this using Active Directory and Windows, but I
> wondered if there was a Linuxified version of this setup. I've been
> thinking of volunteering to get some community IT access up in the
> local area, and of course being able to configure PCs centrally would
> be great. There wouldn't be a great deal of money, so setting up a
> Windows Domain would be out of the question.
>
> So, whats out there that would allow me to create users/passwords
> centrally (but perhaps still allow laptops to cache credentials),
> would allow me to have automatically mapped file storage (like a
> mapped network drive in Windows), and if possible, help me to apply
> some level of desktop configuration?
>
> Any advice?
>
> Chris
>
>   
Chris,

openLDAP is the best bet for storage.. though having a disconnected 
centralised authentication system I was unable to implement last time I 
tried it. 

My setup is with Windows Clients - so that's all I can suggest for now - 
though it seems to be a fairly common goal, so other people will 
probably have more experience/info.

Regards,

Andy

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] realplayer powerpc problem

[Andy]

Hi

On 08/12/2007, ptaylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> the details of the problem i have put in the forums
> > > http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=634992

What's the full address of the .ram file your having problems with?

Andy

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] dual boot

[Andy]

I am joining this thread a bit late so sorry if this has already been mentioned.

Much advice appears to have been given, some contradictory. This is
often because some of the choices are due to personal preferences. So
instead of adding my opinion on the exact wiring I shall offer some
slightly different advice:

Have you considered contacting some local Linux people to see if they
are willing to give you a hand in setting up your Dual Boot? Your
local LUG (Linux User Group) is a very good place to start
.

Some of them have what is called a "Bring A Box" meeting, where you
can bring along your PC. Maybe someone will be able to guide you
through it in person? (wise to ask in advance on the mailing list to
see if there will be someone willing to help).

WARNING: Make a full backup of everything you want from your current
hard drive. All though it's uncommon things can go wrong, and you can
guarantee if something is going to go wrong it will happen the one
time you don't have a backup!

Good luck whatever you do in the end.

Let us know how it goes!



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Children DVD (Windows compatible)

[Andy]

On 15/11/2007, Pascal Khoury <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is there a piece of software I could use to view windows compatible movies &
> games?

You have asked several things at once there.

Firstly DVDs

You need something called libdvdcss2, try following the instructions at:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/PlayingDVDs
(sorry if you have all ready done this).

I would recommend gxine for playing DVDs, I think it has better
support for DVD Menus.
See: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MultimediaApplications#gxine
Though I would install it from the Ubuntu Repository not the gXine website.


Other Movie formats (e.g. things you have downloaded from the web)
Look at: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/
I can't provide much more detail without knowing the exact format you
are having problems with.


Windows Games are an entirely different kettle of fish, options
generally include:
Dual Booting with Windows.
Installing Windows in a Virtual Machine (e.g. Qemu, VMWare,
VirtualBox) (may have performance issues)
Run the game under Wine (may not be fully compatible)

Sorry for the lateness of this reply.

Andy

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] OT: Windows FOS Project

[Andy]

On 04/11/2007, Ian Pascoe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I thought it was The Open CD but that seems to be specifically related to
> Ubuntu.
>
> Am I going mad, or is there such a thing?

No you're not going mad. It used to be "The Open CD".
Not sure what happened to it but you may want to look at:
OpenDisc <http://theopendisc.com/> instead.

Andy

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Goodbye all

[Andy]

On 02/11/2007, STONE COLD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> When did all this happen?

I *presume* Mark is referring to the thread that evolved from this
email: <https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/2007-November/008836.html>
Full thread: 
<https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/2007-November/thread.html#8836>

though I can not be sure, but it does seem the most likely. (I hadn't
read this myself till I did a search for Marks email to work out what
we may have been referring to.).

Incidentally Stone Cold the line breaks seem to be missing when I view
your email (not sure if anyone else has this problem).

Andy

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu TV Advert

[Andy]

On 28/10/2007, Tony Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/click_online/6733501.stm

Ironically, not viewable on Linux (at least not on this CentOS box.
(and as it's not my machine I can't install better players on it))

Reminds me of the time I wanted to watch something on the BBC website
about building a computer, but couldn't as it needed ActiveX. That
program suggested installing Linux as well. When I complained, I was
told to download ActiveX and go away. Ah the BBC we make it what it
is. (Incidentally I did find a way around the ActiveX problem by
viewing source and finding exact address of stream. Just goes to prove
the BBC didn't need ActiveX and the sole reason for doing it was to
strength a foreign monopoly)

Andy

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Advice for the future

[Andy]

On 16/10/2007, Jai Harrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'm wondering if I should take a university that doesn't need A level
> maths,

The University Of Bristol doesn't require A-Level maths (though it is
preferred).
Ranked 3rd for CS in the Times.
<http://extras.timesonline.co.uk/gug/gooduniversityguide.php?AC_sub=Computer+Science&x=6&y=10&sub=6>
(behind Cambridge and Oxford).

The requirements listed by Universities are sometimes only guidelines.
Your best bet is to contact someone from University Admissions and
talk to them about whether you really would require A-Level maths. For
Bristol you can email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Unfortunately CS can contain quite a bit of Maths depending on the
modules taken.

Is it more a case of you don't like (or find Maths difficult), or a
case of you just didn't chose that particular course and so don't have
the background?
If it's the latter case then it may not be too much of a problem as
lecturers will often go over the basics that you actually need (and
some of the Maths will be entirely knew to everyone).

However I will stress, All Universities are different, what they offer
in their courses do vary so do contact them and speak with someone who
knows the specifics of the individual courses.

hope that's of some use to you.

Andy



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Diskless Workstations

[andy]

Robin Shepheard wrote:
> Ian Pascoe wrote:
>
>> Hi-de-hi Campers
>>
>> With all the postings relating to home servers and small screens got me
>> thinking.
>>
>> Is there such a thing as a diskless workstation that looks for all intents
>> and purposes like a laptop, ie combined screen, keyboard and mouse pad,  but
>> without HDD battery and other associated mobile type stuff?
>>
>> I've only ever found / seen those that look like a standard desktop
>> installation, ie all seperate, but not combined.  Yes I realise I can get a
>> second hand lappie and do this but I've never seen one from new - or maybe
>> just haven't got the Google search criteria right 
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> E
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> If you just want a keyboard, trackball and monitor that you will wire
> into a pc, HP do make rackmount units but they are not cheap. If you are
> on about a dumb terminal type thing Igel and Wyse make boxs for this
> sort of purpose
>
> Cheers
>
> Robin
>
>
And if you're on about thin clients - you can get thin clients that
attache to the VESA mounts on the bad of LCD screens.  However, look for
a screen with embedded thin client - and the price doubles.

Andy


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Video editing

[andy]

Michael,

I think it may soon be your lucky day.  Ubuntustudio is a new release of ubuntu 
which focuses on us 'creative' type.  Currently there are package sets for 
music (ubuntustudio-audio), graphic design (ubuntustudio-graphic) and even your 
chosen one, video (ubuntustudio-video).  It's not a completely new incarnation 
though, as you mention it contains packages such as Kino, Cinepaint, Stopmotion 
and the like, but the packagers are attempting to get it as stable as possible 
- which as you said has been the main drawback.

Check out ubuntustudio.org - you can download their CD (recommended for a fresh 
install) or add their repo and use that.

Hope you have fun.  I'm into the music personally, and really liking their 
efforts.

Regards,

Andy

On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:22:04 +0100, Michael Erskine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi folks,
> Every couple of months I return to the disappointing world of video
> editing on
> Linux: I get the latest of each package and watch each one fail to open
> files
> and segfault all over the place. I've tried kino, lives, cinelerra, and
> plenty more, the names of which I forget.
> 
> Can anyone point me at an up-to-date guide for video editing on Feisty
> that
> they've been able to follow?
> 
> My requirements are (I believe) modest:
> * trim video clips
> * append clips together
> * overlay some text titles
> * save result
> 
> Usually I give up after a few fruitless hours and boot to XP to use Nero
> Vision Express which just works.
> 
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Anyone ever tried kolab on feisty

[andy]

Daniel,

The company I work for re-sell Zimbra, and I also developed a server we sell 
which uses horde.

The response from all our customers to Zimbra has been very positive, it has a 
clean UI which is great for the webmail client, but it's also got a clever 
backend, as good shared calendaring features.  It's got a feature whereby if 
multiple people in your company receive the same attachment, it's only stored 
once - and symlinked to all the different mailboxes on the server.

When I first used Zimbra - I really didn't like it, as it's got quite a big 
footprint.  However, looking at Kolab as a Desktop Groupware product, Zimbra 
follows standards that will allow you to connect desktop apps to it fairly 
well.  It supports iCal for it's shared calendars.  It also has a very easy to 
use administration interface - adding more domains is a cinch.

Horde on the other hand loads quite fast, but it's more of a spaceship control 
system.  It appears to be able to do anything - and has the buttons to do it.  
Most client complain about a slightly cluttered interface.  However, I enjoy 
using it personally for work, because there's so much that it can do.  It's 
very versatile, though you have to manage the backend yourself.

If you want something you can get up and running fairly fast, then I'd 
recommend Zimbra.  If you want complete control over your backend (which IMHO 
normally means the chance to break more things on upgrade) then go with horde.

I'm afraid I don't know much about Kolab, or OpenGroupware or OpenExchange 
which are a couple more you may want to look at.

Regards,

Andy

(Sorry if the email is a little convoluted)

On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 09:20:29 +0100, "Daniel Lamb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Andy,
> It will be for up to 10 users, on a new dell poweredge 1900 with 1.5TB
> drive, quad core processor etc so capacity is not a problem.
>
> Features; moving away from an exchange box and were planning on using just
> imap however I would like to check out what other options are out there on
> the kolab side etc, so really looking at mail, contacts and calendars.
>
> Cheers,
> Daniel
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of andy
> Sent: 27 September 2007 00:47
> To: British Ubuntu Talk
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Anyone ever tried kolab on feisty
>
> Daniel.
>
> It depends what you want from your groupware. If you have spare hardware
> capacity, I'd go with Zimbra.  Dave Walker recently demoed Bongo to me -
> and
> that also looks very good.  I use horde at work (as it's used by the
> Univesity of Manchester internally too - to give you an idea of it's
> scalability.
>
> If you want to let me know your number of users & feature set you'd like,
> then I'd be happy to give you my 2p worth.
>
> Regards,
>
> Andy
>
>
> On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 00:37:22 +0100, "Daniel Lamb"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Just wondering as it appears there are afew people who are using
> servers,
>> Have you ever tried kolab? Or is there a better groupware client to use,
> I
>> currently have samba, apache etc installed, tried kolab but got an error
>> due
>> to it needing php4, just thought it might be worth an ask.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Daniel
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Anyone ever tried kolab on feisty

[andy]

Daniel.

It depends what you want from your groupware. If you have spare hardware 
capacity, I'd go with Zimbra.  Dave Walker recently demoed Bongo to me - and 
that also looks very good.  I use horde at work (as it's used by the Univesity 
of Manchester internally too - to give you an idea of it's scalability.

If you want to let me know your number of users & feature set you'd like, then 
I'd be happy to give you my 2p worth.

Regards,

Andy


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> Just wondering as it appears there are afew people who are using servers,
> Have you ever tried kolab? Or is there a better groupware client to use, I
> currently have samba, apache etc installed, tried kolab but got an error
> due
> to it needing php4, just thought it might be worth an ask.
> 
> Regards,
> Daniel
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] [IMPORTANT NOTICE] - Ubuntu-UK Contact

[Andy]

On 25/09/2007, David M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Can you clarify what is meant by "join" the Ubuntu-UK team?
> I do have a Launchpad account, and I am a member of this list, but is
> there some other additional "joining" process that I am not aware of?

Launchpad allows a "team" to be registered. It keeps track of who is
"in" a team.
Ubuntu-UK "is an open team; any user can join and no approval is required."

Unfortunately Launchpad has little concept of this list or "list
members" so simply being on the mailing list won't let launchpad know
your a UK Team member.

What you can do is go to: <https://launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-uk>
There should be a big green button roughly in the middle labelled
"Join this team"
It will prompt you to register or log in, then you should be a member.

You may be in launchpads "UK Team" already, you can check the list here:
<https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-uk/+members>

There are a few David's registered as UK Team members, not sure if any
of them are you though.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] External hard disks and backup strategies

[andy]

David,

I'm not sure how much data you're looking to backup - but yours is probably not 
a unique situation.

I think the biggest question is "Do you know what you want to backup?"  If you 
can safely say "Yes" - and it's well organised - then the problem is massively 
diminished.  

The first thing you need to work out is size.  If you have masses of data - 
automated NAS may be the best thing.  If you have little, a USB hard disk may 
suffice.

My recommendation (based on ~50GB on data) would be to setup a NAS with 
mirrored RAID1 disks.  Have two partitions on each disk.  Have a weekly backup 
that you store for 8 weeks, and a keep every 4th image for a month.  Then set 
it up to rsync with your directories you need.

That's mean your storage goes:

Wk - DATA
1  - 50
2  - 100
3  - 150
4  - 250
5  - 300
6  - 350
7  - 400
8  - 500

That'll fit on a 500GB disk and give you a bit on versioning should the worst 
happen.  It also helps illustrate how much storage you actually need for doing 
a backup of 50GB data.

Let me know what your situation is and I'll try and help more.

On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:44:56 +0100, David M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Now that external hard disks are cheap, I'm thinking about getting an
> external hard disk so that I can keep a backup of my data. In fact, I'm
> even thinking of getting *two* for alternate use so that if the worst
> should happen and my system dies while backing up my data I haven't
> toasted both my data and my sole backup..
> 
> When it comes to external disks, it seems I have the choice of not only
> a plain-old hard disk connected via USB, but also the possibility of NAS
> (networked-attached storage) where the hard disk is connected to my
> network, and contains a stripped-down OS so that it presents itself as a
> fileserver (I presume?).
> 
> Does anybody know how well-supported either of these technologies are in
> Ubuntu? In particular, I'd also want to format the disk in ext3 format
> as I have no need or desire for MSWindows filesystems.
> 
> 
> On the one hand, NAS seems neat, but I don't have a home network, only a
> cheapo multi-port ADSL modem/router. These things tend to be a bit
> gnarly (and unfriendly) to set up at the best of times, so I don't know
> how easy - let alone whether - it would be possible to set the
> modem/router up to allow my computer to see a NAS disk. And given the
> horrible potential for unwittingly sharing the contents of a NAS disk
> with the entire internet, I'd have to be very careful! I gather that it
> is generally the case that any configuration of the NAS box can usually
> be done via a browser front-end; obviously any disk which requires
> Windows software is a no-no.
> 
> On the other hand, a plain-old USB hard disk seems the simpler option. I
> would naively assume that as USB is now well-proven technology, these
> would work just fine with Ubuntu, but is that the case? How easy would
> it be to automate backups to such a disk? Would it mount with a
> persistent mount point, or would it change with every unplug or system
> reboot?
> 
> 
> Then there is the question of what backup strategy I should actually
> use. I was assuming that an automated rsync every week would be the
> easiest, but perhaps there are other possibilities? Something automated,
> once configured, without requiring user intervention is an absolute
> must: the whole point of doing backups is that I don't have to remember
> to do it!
> 
> I mentioned above that having two external hard disks, alternating
> between current latest backup and disk being backed-up to, seemed a good
> strategy, ensuring that I always have one backup at all times.
> 
> Alternatively, perhaps some kind of mirror RAID strategy would be worth
> considering, although that would seem to require me to have four hard
> disks to maintain my "always one spare backup" strategy (and is outwith
> my budget!). I also don't know whether USB HDs or NAS HDs are RAID-able.
> 
> 
> Can anybody offer any advice on this?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> David.
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[ubuntu-uk] Linux may void the warranty

[Andy]

Hi

Just saw a story on Google News.
According to the story PC world refused to repair someone's laptop
because he had put Linux on it thus voiding his warranty.
<http://tech.blorge.com/Structure:%20/2007/09/13/pc-world-refuses-hardware-fault-repair-because-of-linux/>

The odd thing, the fault was a cracked hinge on the screen of the laptop.

This is what we are up against people! Large Companies actively trying
to prevent people installing software such as Gnu/Linux.

I would strongly recommend anyone think twice about buying from PC World.
Any company who thinks that software could have caused that kind of
hardware failure are probably not the best people to buy computer
equipment off.

Andy

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music playback in rhythmbox

[Andy Loughran]

If you want something on gnome - I like using banshee.

Not 100% sure on the crossfading though (the whole point of the thread) so best 
to try it out yourself.  It's a good (but minimalist) iPod management app too 
(if you have one) so give it a whiz!


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To: "British Ubuntu Talk" 
Sent: 03 September 2007 13:17:51 o'clock (GMT) Europe/London
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Music playback in rhythmbox

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Release Party for Gutsy?

[Andy Loughran]

We're having a wonderful conversation on IRC about the potential location.  
Currently the solution is to do a google map, and find a location with the 
minimum average distance for participants.  It seems to be a fair way of doing 
things.


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Sent: 03 September 2007 13:19:07 o'clock (GMT) Europe/London
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Release Party for Gutsy?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] tutorials

[Andy]

On 18/08/07, Gary M Nicholson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> wondered if anyone new of any CBT type tutorials on learning Linux
> (Ubuntu in particular) and where to get them?

Hi, and welcome.

I'm not sure what CBT is, but there are some tutorials on the Ubuntu
Screen casts site:
http://screencasts.ubuntu.com/

There is more information on the Ubuntu wiki:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ScreencastTeam

You may want to speak to Alan Pope, he made some of the first few
screen cast tutorials (at least that I am aware of).



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] [uk-marketing] Spearhead the attack!!!!

[Andy Loughran]

#Segfault

 was prematurely killed by the 'work' process.

Guys,

Many apologies for not doing much since the decision to kick off ubuntu-uk 
marketing was made.  I've been incredibly busy with work and have been too 
tired to offer my services to anything else.  My motorway journeys home have 
also generally consisted of drive - nap - drive over this last week as I've 
been so tired.

I'm off on holiday tomorrow (and don't I need it) to France - so if there's a 
rainy day I'm taking the laptop so I can do some ubuntu work :)

Once again, apologies for the lack of an perceived effort on my part.  It will 
hopefully come into fruition and be evident in the coming weeks.

Regards,


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- Original Message -
From: "Matthew Larsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "British Ubuntu Talk" 
Sent: 26 July 2007 22:05:50 o'clock (GMT) Europe/London
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] [uk-marketing] Spearhead the attack

Hey Chris, all

Sorry I havn't been poking my head out much, I've been snowed under
with my first few weeks at work and simply am too tired in the
evenings to do stuff. I have been keeping up with mails though and
intend to put some work back in during the weekend, including
finishing off those leaflets

Might go to Lonix on sat too if anyone else is going

Regards,

On 24/07/07, Chris Rowson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> 
>
> I'm feeling in a militant mood today!
>
> Check out our first article for publishing in local magazines:
>
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/Marketing/ArticleForLocalMagazine
>
> You'll notice that I've created a submissions table at the bottom to
> track where this article goes. Why not give it a bash, and if you like
> it, submit it to your own magazine, student or work publication?
>
> Of course you don't have to use that particular article, feel free to
> create your own and use that instead. But if you do, please put it
> onto the wiki so we can all use it. A good place to link to your
> article from would be here:
>
> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/Marketing#head-444a1c3c32b9574071fade666e86f7b79444a50c
>
> 
>
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Contents of ubuntu-uk digest...

[Andy Loughran]

I don't know enough about this, but what does aptonCD do?


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From: "alan c" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "British Ubuntu Talk" 
Sent: 25 July 2007 19:04:18 o'clock (GMT) Europe/London
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Contents of ubuntu-uk digest...

Matthew Wild wrote:
> On 7/25/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> The 'Repo on external drives' idea is superb, i often want to install
>> things at work, which is a secure network and hence we cant have internet
>> access to not secured machines, would also be better for big sites IE
>> schools/businesses who dont want to have their proxys loaded with small
>> .debs (think WSUS). Does anybody know the kind of sizes the repos are?
> 
> 
> About 30GB, or so I was told...
> 
> As
>> to price, buying from and normal retail outlet will be expensive, somebody
>> must have a trade account at a cash'n'carry somewhere?
>>
>> Steven Pepperell
>>
> 
> 
> I know someone who lives in another country with only dial-up access to the
> internet. While it is of course possible for him to order a CD from shipit,
> Ubuntu is still only supplied with a basic set of applications.
> 
> Instead I am sending him a CD by post, along with a custom DVD of packages.
> I wrote a small script to parse the Ubuntu popcon results, and select the
> top N packages that fit into a specified capacity. I then passed these to
> 'aptitude download' which will grab the debs, which can then be used by
> AptOnCD. This way I managed to build myself a DVD containing pretty much
> most of the commonly installed packages.
> 
> I even made a copy for myself, for when I take my laptop on the road... it's
> really handy :D Of course the obvious benefit of a HDD is greater capacity,
> and you can update it whenever necessary. Still, I just wanted to share my
> story :)

nice one Matthew
The DVD idea could be continued on a basis of the most popular or 
whatever, and be available as an active choice download perhaps?
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Adopt a Penguin

[Andy Loughran]

Who's going to volunteer to become a penguin keeper?

I'd do it part-time?

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From: "Dave Walker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "British Ubuntu Talk" 
Sent: 12 July 2007 16:48:38 o'clock (GMT) Europe/London
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] Adopt a Penguin

On Wed, 2007-07-11 at 19:22 +0100, Alan Pope wrote:
> Hi Matthew,
> 
> On Wed, 2007-07-11 at 18:05 +0100, Matthew Larsen wrote:
> > >
> > > I contacted my local zoo (http://www.marwell.org.uk/) last summer
> > > regarding adopting a penguin.  Sadly they do not allow naming and it
> > > seemed that the begin was not 'yours' for life; only 'rented' :(
> > >
> > 
> > Marwell is your local zoo? No way used to be mine too (when I was in
> > the marvellous world of Southampton). Maybe renting would be better
> > anyway in case we get fedup of the penguin or it has babies or
> > something. Any idea what its existing name is?
> > 
> 
> They have a few.
> 
> http://gallery.popey.com/gallery/MarwellAugust2005/dsc01624
> 
> Including Gentoo ones! Something must be done!
> 
> http://gallery.popey.com/gallery/MarwellAugust2005/dsc01621
> 
> Cheers,
> Al.

Doesn't look good - just re-contacted them and they are not keen on
sponsoring with a name.  Apparently most arrive @ the zoo with names
already, and where they are not - the keepers like to name them.  :(


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk-marketing

[Andy Loughran]

Does someone want to setup the Launchpad site then?  I'm quite keen on seeing a 
few case studies like the ones that alan c is mentioning being uploaded and 
easier to find that having to trawl the lists.  It's valuable information that 
needs to be easily accessible to marketeers.

IRC is up at #ubuntu-uk-marketing

I think the [UK] Idea for the ubuntu-marketing lists will work for now, but if 
it does become a stumbling block then we can set up another list.

As an extra thought - would a [marketing] tag on the ubuntu-uk lists be a 
better idea?
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Sent: 10 July 2007 10:37:23 o'clock (GMT) Europe/London
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk-marketing

Alan Pope wrote:
> Hi Alan,
> 
> On Mon, 2007-07-09 at 23:02 +0100, alan c wrote:
>> > 
>> > Why not contribute to the existing marketing team? Why "fork"?
>> 
>> The existing marketing team is not UK specific. The UK media, 
>> temperament, retail environment etc are all specific to uk.
>> 
> 
> Sure, but that doesn't mean you can't discuss uk based issues on the
> main marketing list. You could for example just put [UK] in the subject
> line of messages to the main marketing list - which to be fair isn't
> exactly a busy list anyway. Forking to a separate list would mean that
> people from other regions would miss out on the great work you guys do.
> You would also miss out on suggestions from others.

Unfortunately the 'inappropriate' response I had from usa recently was 
a distraction, and counterproductive. I do not believe that the sort 
of uk specific items that are arising here now for example would be 
appropriate for the global marketing list.

It is good to know what the serbian team have done, but to get it 
happen in UK would need arrangements of a different nature, some quite 
detailed. I do not think such things go well on a global list. Some 
time ago I was on a berkshire radio progarm (for age concern 
computers) on a paul daniels show (non-magic, he is a disk jockey too) 
It seems he has quite an interest in computers and I had toyed with 
the idea of finding out if he used open source, Ubuntu, etc. Again 
this is uk marketing, not global. I would not even have mentioned it 
in the global list, people's agendas are so diverse.

Putting uk in each subject might work to some extent, but it would be 
better to be a uk list. I have no problem if this ubuntu-uk itself 
carries marketing discussion, as it is doing right now, we could 
continue here without a separate list maybe.

I like the energy of the marketeers who are appearing. A specialist 
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] we suck or we just act differently?

[Andy Loughran]

Rick is currently the CEO of the opensourceconsortium in the UK.

I'm sure he'll have no problems in giving you details of the tux suit - I can 
get in contact if you like?

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- Original Message -
From: "Rob Beard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "British Ubuntu Talk" 
Sent: 09 July 2007 23:23:16 o'clock (GMT) Europe/London
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] we suck or we just act differently?

alan c wrote:
> Rob Beard wrote:
>> Matthew Larsen wrote:
>>> count me in too
>>>
>>> On 09/07/07, alan c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>> Matthew Larsen wrote:
>>>>> Maybe its the abundance of talk and lack of action thats the problem.
>>>> I trust you do not include me in that comment?
>>>> I spend a full day each month at my local computer fair, give talks to
>>>> local clubs, contact local shops and libraries and they have my
>>>> leaflets. and exhibitions too when possible.
>>>>
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>>>> alan cocks
>>>> Kubuntu user#10391
>>>>
>> I'd be interested in helping out where I can.
>>
>> One thought which was discussed at the D&C LUG which would possibly get 
>> some sort of newspaper coverage is to adopt a penguin at a zoo.
>>
>> Just a thought, it's something different and newspapers/news teams are 
>> always looking for something different even if it's just to fill a bit 
>> of space.
> 
> I have been on the lookout for a person sized Penguin suit (Tux would 
> be ideal). The cutting patterns for tux are open source and it should 
> be no real problem to scale up to person size. Any one good with 
> suitable material? I embarrass my better half by handing out leaflets 
> on the subject and if I dressed up in a tux costume and played the 
> fool I had better keep it secret or I might not get let back into the 
> house. :-)
> 

I'll see if I can find out.  I went to a business networking event last 
year and there was a guy in a Tux suit who funnily enough is a big 
supporter of Linux in Devon.

The business was Adaptive IT, I think the director was called Rick 
Timmis, their web site is here: http://www.adaptive-it.co.uk/index.html

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk-marketing

[Andy Loughran]

This is exactly the thing that I would regard as being location specific 
marketing.  Most of it useful for only us in the UK.

How to tailor the ubuntu marketing so that it is both relevant to the 
city-dwellers and the rural people? It's about pushing the advantages not just 
to people who care about IT, but to people who don't care about IT (though that 
isn't location specific, I hasten to add).

The other point I want to make is about internet connectivity.  Most of the 
ubuntu users will have downloaded their software from the net, and keep it 
constantly updated through a nice poweful adsl/cable phone line.  We need to 
market to people in the country - give them a place where they can get the 
latest patches CD (be it the local market) so that they can keep their systems 
up to date.  Make sure that even those with limited internet access can get the 
full benefit of ubuntu.

The ubuntu-uk-marketing effort should be one about learning from each others 
events - creating case studies of events to put on the wiki.  Alan C is 
obviously passionate about handing out leaflets - I should be able to easily 
get advice about what is successful in his area and find other people in my 
area to help me, and people in his area to help him.

If we look at the global marketing strategy, we forget the people.  We don't 
want to be showing lip service to the press... we want to be "showing humanity 
to others - ubuntu."


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- Original Message -
From: "Rob Beard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "British Ubuntu Talk" 
Sent: 09 July 2007 23:13:21 o'clock (GMT) Europe/London
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk-marketing

alan c wrote:

>> Why not contribute to the existing marketing team? Why "fork"?
> 
> The existing marketing team is not UK specific. The UK media, 
> temperament, retail environment etc are all specific to uk.
> 
> A recent discussion  (for me) on the (global) marketing list included 
> an off list discussion with an apparently USA guy. From his response 
> to me it seemed he had misinterpreted one of my points about a shipit 
> leaflet. It was not really important except I concluded that the 
> environment and culture he was apparently working in was very 
> different to mine in berkshire uk.
> 
> I would still very much want to remain on the global marketing list, 
> but see an advantage in having more local movement and focus.

I certainly think that if in our local areas we do marketing events, say 
an Ubuntu/Linux open day at a local computer shop, or as you do Alan, 
computer fairs etc, it would be interesting to make note of the feedback 
from such events so we know what works well and what doesn't work.

Down here in South Devon we don't seem to have any computer fairs (which 
is a real shame as I used to enjoy going to them when I lived in Derby & 
Norwich).  I was thinking as a way of spreading the word we could maybe 
setup a table at a Sunday market or car boot sale and give out leaflets 
and CDs either free or cheap (say £1 each for a CD).

I dare say at least around here on a good day at the local markets and 
car boot sales they would have a few hundred visitors, a fair few of 
them no doubt who have a computer of some kind at home.

I wonder too, if maybe trying to get to some community events and maybe 
even trying to hold fund raising events such as the Children In Need 
events gets the word out there too.

Rob

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk-marketing

[Andy Loughran]

I joined #ubuntu-uk-marketing on IRC..  Does that mean the room is created 
now... I was the first one in it :p

I have no idea if the room will stay now, but try and log on if you can.  
Hopefully someone that knows anything about irc will be able to direct me (or 
take over).

Regards,


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- Original Message -
From: "Matthew Larsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "British Ubuntu Talk" 
Sent: 09 July 2007 20:40:24 o'clock (GMT) Europe/London
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk-marketing

sounds great chris! I agree with andy about it being grassroots, we
should be a more 'active' marketing group than just spitting out info
(like alan c who goes out and does stuff).

+1 and let me know if you need a hand setting things up

Regards,

On 09/07/07, Andy Loughran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Chris,
>
> I think this is a good idea, but I think we also need to work out what we are 
> marketing.  Ubuntu has taken off massively in the British Media over the last 
> 12 months, and as someone put in the last thread, most British companies will 
> go to Canonical for their PR.
>
> I think the job of the ubuntu-uk marketing team is possibly to provide 
> grassroots support for the distro, rather than attempt to be someone that the 
> corporations will go to, but I'm really unsure how to progress this.
>
> I do, however, think it necessary that an ubuntu-uk-marketing group be formed 
> so that issues such as the one above can be clearly discussed and considered 
> allowing ubuntu-uk to acheive whatever aims it may set itself.
>
> +1 to the aforementioned ideas.
>
> 
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> - Original Message -
> From: "Chris Rowson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "British Ubuntu Talk" 
> Sent: 09 July 2007 20:27:02 o'clock (GMT) Europe/London
> Subject: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk-marketing
>
> Ok, there has been talk about this so lets see what we can do!
>
> My proposal:
>
> * Create a new section on the wiki for ubuntu-uk-marketing and move
> the current work on leaflets to it.
>
> * Create a new group on launchpad called ubuntu-uk-marketing and allow
> people to join. Utilise launchpad to more efficiently organise ideas
> and assign work amongst members. Use bazzar to work on leaflet text so
> that revisions are stored and it's easier to visualise content than on
> the wiki.
>
> * Perhaps create IRC channel for discussion
>
> Any thoughts or suggestions? (remembering that the marketing effort is
> more than just leaflets and any involvement needs to be long term).
>
> Chris
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk-marketing

[Andy Loughran]

Chris,

I think this is a good idea, but I think we also need to work out what we are 
marketing.  Ubuntu has taken off massively in the British Media over the last 
12 months, and as someone put in the last thread, most British companies will 
go to Canonical for their PR.

I think the job of the ubuntu-uk marketing team is possibly to provide 
grassroots support for the distro, rather than attempt to be someone that the 
corporations will go to, but I'm really unsure how to progress this.

I do, however, think it necessary that an ubuntu-uk-marketing group be formed 
so that issues such as the one above can be clearly discussed and considered 
allowing ubuntu-uk to acheive whatever aims it may set itself.

+1 to the aforementioned ideas.


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From: "Chris Rowson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "British Ubuntu Talk" 
Sent: 09 July 2007 20:27:02 o'clock (GMT) Europe/London
Subject: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk-marketing

Ok, there has been talk about this so lets see what we can do!

My proposal:

* Create a new section on the wiki for ubuntu-uk-marketing and move
the current work on leaflets to it.

* Create a new group on launchpad called ubuntu-uk-marketing and allow
people to join. Utilise launchpad to more efficiently organise ideas
and assign work amongst members. Use bazzar to work on leaflet text so
that revisions are stored and it's easier to visualise content than on
the wiki.

* Perhaps create IRC channel for discussion

Any thoughts or suggestions? (remembering that the marketing effort is
more than just leaflets and any involvement needs to be long term).

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] we suck or we just act differently?

[Andy Loughran]

Perhaps.

I for one have only recently joined the ubuntu-uk group, and would like to 
offer my services to participate more.  If someone can help guide/join me in 
fulfilling this aim, it would be much appreciated.


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From: "Matthew Larsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "British Ubuntu Talk" 
Sent: 09 July 2007 15:41:19 o'clock (GMT) Europe/London
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] we suck or we just act differently?

Maybe its the abundance of talk and lack of action thats the problem.

On 09/07/07, Andy Loughran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yeah,
>
> It's the stuff like Dell run ubuntu (but not in the UK) that we really need 
> to pick up on and pressurise.  I for one am up for joining a tactical working 
> group to fulfill that aim.
>
> 
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> - Original Message -
> From: "Chris Rowson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "British Ubuntu Talk" 
> Sent: 09 July 2007 14:48:48 o'clock (GMT) Europe/London
> Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] we suck or we just act differently?
>
> > > So I'm just wondering why is it that we can't boast like they can? I'm
> > > not blaming anyone or saying we aren't effective enough but is it just
> > > me that feels like for a loco team we are kinda small perhaps (small may
> > > be the wrong word, just small relative to the potential we have in the
> > > UK.), more like a community of people who use and support Ubuntu in
> > > their own ways maybe.. Thoughts and suggestions?
> > >
>
> I wonder if the Ubuntu marketing effort is a little to generalised.
> Perhaps a UK nationwide 'subteam' of the marketing team would help
> consolidate efforts to push the profile of Ubuntu in the UK?
>
> Chris
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] we suck or we just act differently?

[Andy Loughran]

Yeah,

It's the stuff like Dell run ubuntu (but not in the UK) that we really need to 
pick up on and pressurise.  I for one am up for joining a tactical working 
group to fulfill that aim.


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- Original Message -
From: "Chris Rowson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "British Ubuntu Talk" 
Sent: 09 July 2007 14:48:48 o'clock (GMT) Europe/London
Subject: Re: [ubuntu-uk] we suck or we just act differently?

> > So I'm just wondering why is it that we can't boast like they can? I'm
> > not blaming anyone or saying we aren't effective enough but is it just
> > me that feels like for a loco team we are kinda small perhaps (small may
> > be the wrong word, just small relative to the potential we have in the
> > UK.), more like a community of people who use and support Ubuntu in
> > their own ways maybe.. Thoughts and suggestions?
> >

I wonder if the Ubuntu marketing effort is a little to generalised.
Perhaps a UK nationwide 'subteam' of the marketing team would help
consolidate efforts to push the profile of Ubuntu in the UK?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] apt-get vs. aptitude

[Andy Loughran]

Mark,

I tend to run apt-get if I know the package I wish to install, and it's not got 
many dependencies.  If I'm doing a big upgrade, or installing something that 
has multiple dependencies and I want more packages, I tend to use aptitude.  
I'm not sure if this is in any way reflected in the differences between the two 
- but I find that taking this approach works for me - when I have the time to 
look deeper into the differences I'm sure I'll find out I've been doing 
something terribly wrong...

Regards,


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From: "Mark Harrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "British Ubuntu Talk" 
Sent: 04 July 2007 11:29:11 o'clock (GMT) Europe/London
Subject: [ubuntu-uk] apt-get vs. aptitude

I've been reading a bit on the differences between apt-get and aptitude.

I'm interested to know which others on the uk-ubuntu list are using (and 
why)?


Oh, and I guess that Synaptic users are welcome to contribute as well, 
though I don't have a GUI on the bulk of my Ubuntu machines, so it's not 
an option for me :-)

M.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] suck it and see

[Andy]

On 21/06/07, Ian Pascoe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In fact here's a challenge for you all to do on those rainy evenings.  Get
> Orca up and running - it's part of the Gnome desktop from 6.06 onwards -
> turn your monitors off, no cheating now, and have a go at doing some of your
> normal tasks to see what I mean.

Well that is an experience I certainly do NOT want to repeat.

Open Synaptic and installed gnome-orca, (ORCA seemed to have nothing
to do with screen reading, it does something with routers and SMTP I
think).

I typed "orca" in a terminal and it muttered something about Braille
and nothing happened.

I turned on assistive technology support in preferences and logged out
and logged back in again.

Checking preferences it said screen reader was unavailable (darn)

So I ran "orca" from a terminal. Huge mistake, catastrophic mistake,
one of the worst things I have ever done in Linux[0].

What did it do? Displayed a message about Braille, displayed some
trace backs for something that looked like python (something about get
voices failing).

And the froze, but not only did it freeze, it froze the terminal and
it froze all the commands. I could move my cursor but could not click
on anything. Well nuts to this I shall kill it,Ctrl-C in it's
terminal. Nothing, hmm Alt-F2 to get a command line, nope nothing. Ok
this looks serious time to break out the big guns Ctrl-Alt-F1 to get
me console access, wtf that's didn't work either.

Push the power button in a hope that at some level the kernel will see
it and perform a shutdown, nope, Push and hold and power the system
off.

Reboot, login and oddly Orca is started for me ands works, well I say
works but really I mean it does something. Move my cursor around and
hear a garbled voice. I can make out it says something about system
settings, as I had my monitor a notice that my cursor is on my System
menu.

Not wanting to cheat I turn the monitor off.

Right now to open FireFox, helpfully I have a shortcut to this on the
toolbar. I wave my mouse upwards and get the system menu again, right
a bit nothing, right a bit more, nothing until I get what sounds like
"terminal" Ah must be the terminal shortcut. Wave mouse around a bit
more I must be near, and for the life of me all I get is the system
menu description. NOT HELPFUL.

Stuff this, Alt-F2 it mutters something (I forget what) I hit 'f' it
says 'f', I hit 'i' it says 'f' (odd), hit 'r' 'e', it says 'fire' ah
makes sense, I boot up FireFox.

It says something I don't understand, then it says profile chooser, I hit enter.

Now It says Welcome to Ubuntu, or something similar and "HTML BOX" (or
similar), that's a fine description of the Ubuntu start page for you.
I try to find the URL bar with the tab key, nothing, nothing, toolbar,
ah close nothing, something I can't quite work out. type in gmails
address, it won't describe the page and hitting tab is not helping.

I give in. Turn screen on and it appears I typed the URL in the search
box. Oops.

Am I doing something wrong here?

Andy

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1) Used ndiswrapper with an unsupported windows driver (hung the kernel)
2) wrote a kernel module for an arm system and did the IO access a bit
wrong, crashed the kernel.


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] usb wireless

[Andy]

On 16/06/07, michaelweaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The device I now have is a USB stick.
> Should this be supported under Ubuntu?
> I ask as I have not been able to find any documentation which might tell
> me if USB sticks for wireless are supported.

It depends on the USB stick to be honest. They all work differently so
need different drivers. And the vendors tend to be less than helpful
in providing them.

Do you know the make and model of your USB stick?

Can you plug it in and type:
lsusb

it should list all attached USB devices. One of them should be your wifi.
You might want to do lsusb before inserting the stick as well as after
so you can see what changes.

You might need to use the Windows drivers under ndiswrapper.

It's certainly possible to get some wireless USB adapters to work. I
used to have a Belkin one (had to use ndiswrapper)

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Leaflets

[Andy]

On 12/06/07, James Tait <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Having asked a few people to ask me about Ubuntu, I got the following
> questions to add to the (already pretty long) list already raised in the
> thread:

I shall attempt to answer some of them ;)


>   > What does the word Ubuntu mean?

>From the FAQ (http://www.ubuntu.com/aboutus/faq)
Ubuntu is an African word, which has been described as "too beautiful
to translate into English". The essence of Ubuntu is that "a person is
a person through other people". It describes humanity as
"being-with-others" and prescribes what "being-with-others" should be
all about. Ubuntu emphasises sharing, consensus, and togetherness.
It's a perfect concept for Free Software and open source. Here's a
great article that describes Ubuntu, which may help define it.
Wikipedia also has a good definition.


>   > What support would I get if I needed help?

You can get commercial support (which you have to pay for) or free
support from the community. If you bought your PC with Linux
pre-installed your vendor may be able to help you.

We have extensive online documentation.
We have a malling list to ask questions on (you email your question
and it gets sent to a huge number of people who will try to help)
We have an IRC chat channel (like a big chatroom)
We have a forum
We also have a "support ticket" style system.

The chances are somebody will know how to fix your problem.

>   > Does it have a GUI similar to Windows or do I need to learn code?

Depends on what you mean by "similar". It has a point and click
graphical interface.

It does have a very powerful command line interface but it's there for
the people who want to use it, you won't really need to use it if you
don't want to.

You don't need to be able to "code" or "program".

>   > How secure is it?

It has a better security model than Windows. Fine grained access
control and limiting what users can do "by mistake" make it more
difficult for a virus to take over your entire system.

Also the software update system adds some more protection as it will
update all the core software together. You won't need to check for
updates in all your programs one by one anymore.

>   > Is Linux a passing fad?

It's not passed yet. And it doesn't show any signs of doing so now.



Andy

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] 2 questions

[Andy]

On 11/06/07, John Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> How can I remove / stop every HD partition from appearing on my Desktop?

Go to Applications -> System tools ->configuration editor
or type gconf-editor in a terminal

Navigate the tree on the left:
apps- > nautilus -> desktop

untick the "volumes visible" box on the right pane.

Andy

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC Click includes Ubuntu

[Andy]

On 10/06/07, Andy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Then you find the address of the actual feed and check it plays in mplayer
> If it does (it should do) then add -dumpstream on the command line.

Forgot to mention:
There is an "open in standalone player" link.
Right click that and chose "copy link location"
Then add the flag -playlist to the mplayer command line (the link is
to a .ram, and this is a list of .rm files to play).

So it would be something like:
mplayer -dumpstream -dumpfile click.rm -playlist 'URL'

(obviously replace URL with an actual URL.
Sit back and wait.

Andy

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC Click includes Ubuntu

[Andy]

On 10/06/07, alan c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I  can manage to get it to play using Real player, but I cannot think
> of how to capture the stream to view it later.

Ah there's a simple trick to that.
You need mplayer.
Then you find the address of the actual feed and check it plays in mplayer
If it does (it should do) then add -dumpstream on the command line.
You may also want to add -dumpfile FILETOSAVETO
If you don't it will save it in a file with dump in the name (I forget
the exact name).

Be warned the BBC prevent streaming faster than you can watch so
mplayer will take roughly the same amount of time as the clips length
to download the file.

As always for more info see: man mplayer

I find this ironic:
>Most computer tasks can be achieved by using completely free software,
> reports BBC Click.

Except of course watching the clip, or using the new BBC iPlayer!


Andy

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Face to Face support on the Ohio

[Andy]

Hi

On 07/06/07, Rob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In addition wouldn't you have to offer an IRC / IM support service too?
>
>  i have an IRC server you guys can use irc.forthegamers.org find me
> (caboose) or Ghozer on there or wait for me to come online in #chat

We do have #ubuntu-uk on Freenode IRC.

Ubuntu does have IRC support on #ubuntu but it's normally very busy
(or at least whenever I have been there).

Who do we speak to at Ubuntu in the event we did want an Ubuntu UK
support channel?

It's possible to register an email address with IM, but how would we
go about getting multiple people able to answer?
Is it even possible on the common networks?


Couple of notes about Voice support:

One problem with call back is volunteers have to pay an unknown price
when then start the call. Who knows how long it's going to take to fix
the problem to start with? And if the number someone gives is a mobile
number then you're in for a hefty bill.

If it used VOIP for someone to ring in the support person wouldn't
have to pay. And it is still going to be cheaper than the 60p a minute
rubbish I got billed when I had to call for help with the dreaded
Windows (parents machine, not managed to persuade them to switch yet).

Or if you could have call back but the supporter makes a SIP
connection to some kind of Ubuntu-UK phone gateway and then the Ubuntu
UK community funds it in aggregate. Problem with that is you need
enough free lines to that server, unless the gateway somehow forwards
it to one of the commercial sip to phone companies. (I know very
little about VOIP btw).


One issue that would put me off helping is the fact I am not an
expert, I don't know the internal working of the kernel or X etc. so
some of the complex questions I will be stuck on. I can probably help
with the simpler of questions though. What does one do if you don't
know the answer, is it possible to setup some kind of facility to
"bounce" the call to someone more experienced? Maybe have a lists of
the help people and their speciality so for tough questions you can
send it to the most expert person in that area.


Also I know we already have email support but I don't think it's very
new person friendly.
Some people may not know what a mailing list is or how to work it, and
if they just want the solution to a problem they could find it
inconvenient to have to delve through everyone else's problems. Maybe
Ubuntu in general or the UK team could set up a web based form where
they type in problem and you can select a problem and email them back
with just there answer so they don't get flooded by loads of other
peoples questions. I suppose this is what launchpad answers is, can we
make it any easier. Does it email you when someone answers your
question and can you respond by hitting reply in your email client.
Maybe we could just publicise it a little better?


On the subject of recording stuff, would it not be helpful to fill out
a small report after the support call. It would be useful to know what
people are phoning up about so we know which bits are not user
friendly and so we can document common problems and have then at hand
for the support people to look up.

Sorry about the rather long email,

Andy


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] (no subject)

[Andy]

On 04/06/07, Alan Pope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Did you actually look at the sites I linked to? :)
>
> The files are human readable lists of
>
> wget http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/foo/bar/baz/package.deb

And how many public machines have you seen with wget on?
My library certainly doesn't have it, does your local library?

> Remember the KISS principle and that this USB key is being put into someone
> elses computer - in this case the library. You cannot assume that you can
> run applications from or install applications from the USB key.

But you can assume the presence of wget? It is much more likely they
will have a Java VM than have wget. And I never suggested installing
from the USB stick.
If the program is on the USB stick the java VM can invoke it. Yes it
is possible they have blocked the Java VM from running non approved
programs but less likely.

> Maybe the wget script could be translated into an html page which the user
> just clicks the files to get them.

Easy if there are 10, not so easy for a lot of them.

One question though, if your machine has never been connected to the
internet how is it going to have a list of packages from
Multiverse/Universe?

 Would this mean you couldn't get a list if you wanted to install from
these repositories?

Anyway it was just a suggestion.

We could always just do what Debian do, have 15 CDs of files and let
people with low speed connection buy them ;)

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] (no subject)

[Andy]

On 04/06/07, Alan Pope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There is a slight flaw with those options. They assume you are using linux
> on the internet connected computer (in your case the library). This is
> unlikely to be the case, and as such you would need to look at the file
> generated (on your usb key) and manually grab the individual files onto the
> key.

Is it not possible to automatically parse the generate file to work
out which files to fetch and them fetch them automatically?
Would be good to have an app that can do that. Probably best to do it
in Java as that has the best deployment so is most likely to be on a
public computer.
Somebody must have thought of and done this before?

or another possibility would be to some how fetch a list of all
installed packages put that on a USB stick an have an application that
runs also on the stick and when hooked up to an Internet connected
computer it downloads new package lists, finds out which packages to
update and lets you chose new packages to install and grabs the files
so they can be installed when you get back to your Linux PC. to be
really clever it could install them for you when you get back.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] repo in a box

[Andy]

On 04/06/07, Alan Pope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 1) Licensing - would it be 100% legal to redistribute the entire (main,
> restricted, multiverse, universe) repository?

Not sure about "restricted" and "mutliverse", but "main" and
"universe" should be safe.
And some of the stuff in multiverse is probably safe, some of it's
only in there due to some stupid countries that have software patents

> 2) Cost - it would need to be less than the cost of capped broadband -
> although for those people with no opportunity to get broadband this might
> not be a problem :)

How much do the disks weigh?

> 4) Trust: Would a customer trust that the disk really does contain the repo
> and not some nasty spyware etc.

If it's an apt repo isn't the integrity of the package verified by
digital signature?
If the signing system in apt is used surely it doesn't matter how the
files got to you it would be extremely difficult to maliciously alter
them and still get a valid signature for them.

Of course I could be wrong, I don't know as much about apt as I should.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] (no subject)

[Andy]

On 04/06/07, liam jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> i want to install a different media player,
> but just can't seem to do it,
>  1st, do i have to be online to load programes?

By "load" do you mean to run the program or do you mean to install the program?
Either way you shouldn't need to be online.

You can download "packages" from http://packages.ubuntu.com
and install them by clicking on them and they should open in Gdebi
You sometimes have to be careful to get all the dependencies.
If you get cyclical dependencies (e.g. A depends on B, B depends on C,
C depends on A) you can install with dpkg (dpkg -i [package names])

>  2nd, how do i adjust the write speed on the cd burner? as it just has a 1
> showing. and cannot be changed,

Not sure, with my DVD burner nautilus shows several options


Hope that helps

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] USB Drives

[Andy]

On 03/06/07, Ian Pascoe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've made sure that the system is set to auto mount USB devices, but I can't
> find it anywhere!

A link to it should appear on the desktop

Failing that open the file browser and go to /media it should be in a
folder called usbdisk (may vary).

If you still can't find it can you post output from:
mount

and your /etc/fstab

Also could you tell us which version of Ubuntu your are using?

Thanks
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Re: [ubuntu-uk] WEP key

[Andy]

Hi (from a different andy)

On 30/05/07, London School of Puppetry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> but what no-one has explained to me in what it looks like- In my hand I have
> something called 802.11b/g  Security Gateway.  Is this a WEP or  a WAP ?

Lets be careful not to confuse WAP and WPA.
WAP is what mobile phones use to connect to the Internet.
WAP may also mean a "Wireless Access Point" which is can provide Wifi access.

WEP and WPA are security layers for running on your wireless network.

Your wireless access point or router should be plugged into some kind
of modem (probably a cable modem).

You then need a Wifi card or adapter in your PC, and they will send
message to each other through the air. Unfortunately anyone can read
this messages.

This is where WEP (Wired Equivalent Privacy) and WPA (Wi-Fi Protected
Access) come in. WEP was implemented badly and can be broken by an
attacker easily.
Both techniques where supposed to prevent people seeing your traffic
or using your WiFi.


Do you have any more information about your WAP? It's common for
companies to name things confusingly so it's hard to know precisely
what you have in your hand.

What does it look like?

> I
> have  plugged it in to  the computer, then plugged it using another cable
> into my Alcatel Speed Touch Pro Router thinking I would get
> use of my lap top downstairs for Internet but lost all internet connection
> for both computers?
> Is there something not compatible?

Not sure why you would need to plug anything else into the router.
Is the router WiFi or non-wifi? (does it have two small antenna's on it?)

If it's not WiFi then you would need an extra WiFi Access Point. This
shouldn't need to be plugged into your PC as well (should use a
separate port on the router.)

You're wireless access point would need to be configured so it knows
it's only an access point to extend a network otherwise it will start
trying to hand out IP address and do NAT traversal which could be bad.
May even end up assigning 2 machines the same IP.

For those interested in WEP security you should know it's not that
difficult to break, there's a program in the Ubuntu repositories for
cracking WEP. (DON'T do this on a network you don't have permission to
do this on).

Hope that helps

Andy

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Dell Ubuntu pricing revealed...

[Andy]

On 26/05/07, LeeUKHA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I went direct to Dell's website, and compared an Inspiron E1505N laptop
> (the Linux version) with an MS E1505.
>
> At first glance, the Linux version is cheaper, until you realise, it's
> only got half the RAM and onboard graphics. Add those to the list and
> it's $29 more expensive than the MS version...


I thought I would take a look myself.

And the first problem I hit?
Where is the Ubuntu option?
I clicked laptops and only got Windows. Had to go back to front page
and reload till it came up with the Ubuntu banner, this is NOT a good
start!

Identical Processors,
OS: Windows Vista Home Basic, Ubuntu (no support option).
Identical LCDs
Memory: Windows was 1GB, Ubuntu 512MB, upgraded to 1GB for $50
Identical hard drives
Identical optical drives
Graphics: Can't match no options are the same for both
The Windows ATI card may be on special offer so might be artificially
lower price
Could upgrade to nvidia for $79 (option not taken).
(skipping Windows only options: sound, mobile broadband and printers)
Identical batteries
Wireless cards, upgrading windows wireless card to match Ubuntu's at a
cost of $29

Software for windows box set to "none" for all options.

Final prices:

Windows: $728
Ubuntu:  $649

Inaccuracies:
Would have reduced cost of Windows box if I hadn't upgrade the wifi
card, not much functionality out of that upgrade anyway ($29)
Are the Graphics equivalent? Should I have upped the Ubuntu graphics ($79)

with the increased graphics it would have cost:
Windows: $728
Ubuntu: $728
(hmm identical price)

If I hadn't bothered pointlessly upgrading the Windows WiFi then the
Windows machine would have been $29 cheaper than Ubuntu.

So it all hinges on what you think is comparable?

Of course i there was an Ubuntu option under the OS components it
would be much easier to see what Windows was costing, and easier to
find Ubuntu!

Andy

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] technical question

[Andy]

On 23/05/07, norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ lsmod | grep -i 'snd_hda_intel'
> snd_hda_intel  20116  1
> snd_hda_codec 164608  1 snd_hda_intel
> snd_pcm84612  3 snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_pcm_oss
> snd58372  12
> snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_pcm_oss,snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_seq_oss,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq,snd_timer,snd_seq_device
> snd_page_alloc 11400  2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$

The problem is it won't let you remove snd-hda-intel because it's
being used by other stuff. There is a command to remove it and remove
other stuff with it as well.

The only problem is getting all the stuff it pulled out back again (of
course rebooting will put everything back luckily).

So type the following (and cross your fingers):

sudo -i
modprobe -r snd-hda-intel
modprobe snd-hda-intel probe_mask=8 model=auto
modprobe snd
exit

(the exit gets you out of the root terminal)

Tell me what happens.

I am basing this on Matthews email. It may or may not work.

Andy

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] technical question

[Andy]

On 23/05/07, norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ lsmod | grep -i 'snd-hda-intel'
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$

That means there where no matches in lsmod, probably due to me being a
bit stupid and forgetting that it should be _ not -, oops sorry.

try:
lsmod | grep -i 'snd_hda_intel'

failing that try:
lsmod | grep -i 'snd'
(may be somewhat longer

Andy

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] technical question

[Andy]

On 23/05/07, norman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Why sudo su - I thought that sudo by itself was root.
The su puts you in a super user shell.
You can execute that command first and then execute a several commands
without the need to prefix the others with sudo.

I think sudo is more advisable for some reason though.

> I did what I
> thought was right and got this:-
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sudo rmmod snd-hda-intel
> Password:
> ERROR: Module snd_hda_intel is in use

That would be a problem
There's probably a better way of doing this but could you type:
lsmod | grep -i 'snd-hda-intel'

should be able to see what is using it.
Modprobe doesn't seem to want to let it be unloaded for some reason.

Andy

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Sound recording

[Andy]

On 16/05/07, Robin Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I would be most grateful to anybody who can suggest a solution to this
> problem.

Going to need to know more than that ;)
What sound card do you have?

I had a problem with my sound card which caused mic problems and fixed
it as follows:
Open the volume control, and go to the options tab,
under "mic select" choose Mic2

The names and position of things may be different as I am on 6.06LTS
but if you find something similar to that you might want to try it.

Andy

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu Podcast Test Recording 1

[Andy]

On 14/05/07, Paul RJ Mellors <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> however i've now had a go at recording something, as a test to see what
> i actually sound like

Any chance of a free format?
<https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats>

How about Ogg Vorbis maybe?


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] problem reports

[Andy]

On 07/04/07, London School of Puppetry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have had a few crashes and the computer produces problem
> reports for firefox, but I don't know where I should send them to.

Filing a bug on launchpad might be wise.
Info on reporting a problem can be found at:
<http://www.ubuntu.com/community/reportproblem>

If you are stuck you could try asking on #ubuntu-bugs (Freenode IRC)

If you are looking for help then you could try:
ubuntu-users mailing list
#ubuntu on Freenode IRC
Launchpad support requests

If you need help with any of the above just ask.

Andy

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Security on Ubuntu

[Andy]

On 04/03/07, Roberto Sarrionandia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Anyone who told you not to have a firewall is pretty foolish,

Anti-virus is only needed if you can't configure applications properly.

Why have the firewall drop inbound traffic? The traffic will only
really do damage if a program is listening for input on that port. Why
have a program listen to a port just to firewall it out. You may as
well not have had the program bind to that port in the first place.

The reason firewalls are common on Windows is that Windows comes with
so much listening to the outside world its hard to turn it all off.

Of course some applications will try to listen to a port, they are
normally spy ware, don't install them in the first place.

of course a firewall is always nice to see if people are trying to
make inbound connections to you.

And of course you could always have a hardware firewall, most (all)
NAT routers provide some level of firewalling (they haven't got much
choice really, it's part of how NAT works).

(having said all this I have Firestarter configure IPTables, just in
case I stupidly install a daemon.)

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] UK Patent Laws

[Andy]

On 28/02/07, Benjamin Webb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Apparently software patents are
> already illegal in the UK.

Well according to the patent office the following is not patentable:
> (c) a scheme, rule or method for performing
>  a mental act, playing a game or doing
>  business, or a program for a computer;

Of course I Am Not A Lawyer.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Another petition: Open Document Format

[Andy]

On 24/02/07, Greg Dash <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I really do question how effect these petitions are. Blair did after
> all ignore the opinion of 1.7million people over Road pricing :(

Ah but you do get an email with a link to an official response, which
is normally ill-informed and ignores the points being made.

Ah Democracy, it works so well.

At least I can exercise my right to not vote for Mr Blair, oh wait no
I can't he isn't standing in an election, darn.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lost again

[Andy]

On 22/02/07, Tony Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You need to run the gconf-editor utility. The easiest way is to hit
> Alt-F2 which brings up the 'Run Application' dialgue box. Enter
> gconf-editor and click run. Teh configuration editor should appear.
[snip]

I may be mistaken but wouldn't the following be easier:
Open a folder window, click view->preferences select the Behaviour
tab, and change it from 'Double click to activate items' to 'single
click to activate items'.

(only tried it on 6.06)


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Completely off topic

[Andy]

On 07/02/07, Martin Castle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> this is a paste from the mail sent to me:
Ah how dedicated you are, it must have taken you ages to copy and
paste what someone else wrote.

> UK ROAD TAX Dear all, Have done this, it's very easy. We have nothing to
> lose by trying - if you don't want Tony Gordon to have all our money
> because we drive a car or bike, then please at least sign up - This is the
> official #10 petition site.
I thought bikes didn't pay road tax?


> The government's proposal to introduce road pricing will mean you having
> to purchase a tracking device for your car and paying a monthly bill to
> use it. The tracking device will cost about £200 and in a recent study by
> the BBC, the lowest monthly bill was £28 for a rural florist and £194 for
> a delivery driver.
Both of those are examples of commercial use of the road, surely they
should be paying a lot more?


> A non working Mum who used the car to take the kids to school paid £86 in
> one month.

She could have walked maybe? Most people do not live that far away from school.
It would of course be much safer to walk if there where less cars, or
less drivers who are too dangerous to be on the road, (I have lost
count of the number of times I have been endangered by incompetent
drivers)

> On top of this massive increase in tax, you will be tracked.
> Somebody will know where you are at all times.
Its a personal device you have to carry? I thought it was in the car,
or are you physically attached to your motor vehicle. It will know
where the car is, not you.

An interesting point, will the police have live access to this data,
i.e. if you car gets stolen can you phone the police and they will
know where it is?


> They will also know how fast you have been going, so even if you
> accidentally creep over a speed limit* you can expect and additional fine
> with your monthly bill.

So you are annoyed they are enforcing the law? Maybe you should
protest against speed limits?

> This is not limited to speeding. They also know where parking restrictions
> etc are located. And you!

Again you are saying you object to an enforcement of the law, surely
you should be campaigning against the existence of the law, i.e.
against parking restrictions.

> There are over 30million vehicles and drivers in this country. Just to
> register 3% of those against this proposal there needs to be 900k signed
> up! and the closing date is 20/02/07. Did you know about this?

No I didn't know about it, now I do, and still won't be signing it.
Did you know if pollution continues the way it is, that the polar
icecaps could melt, and UK cities could flood. It could also increase
extreme weather, (incidentally weather warnings are in effect,
freezing temperatures and snow).

Its high time we held drivers accountable for the actions.


Anyone know if they are using free software for this venture? or how
secure the system is, is it prone to tampering? (how long till someone
hacks the system and has Apache running on it :D, maybe they could
have a new version of Ubuntu, Carbuntu, for your onboard tracking
system?)


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Etiquette

[Andy]

On 04/02/07, London School of Puppetry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Good idea- then I might have avoided all the faux pas.

Well there is a link to etiquette on the page that details what the
mailing lists are.
For reference here it is:
<http://www.ubuntu.com/community/lists/etiquette>

> Though some of the
> points are a bit too technical for me to understand.

Feel free to ask about them, I'm sure someone will be able to explain them.

>From your message headers it looks like you use the gmail web interface.

You seem to be sending mail in HTML format, this increases your mail size.
When composing your message you should see a row of buttons for things
like bold and italics, next to that is a link titled 'plain text',
click it and the buttons should disappear. Your message will now be
sent as text.

You may also want to avoid quoting the end of someones message if your
not replying to it, saves space and we have seen their signature
before anyway. Its easy to overlook though, I now have to make sure I
don't do it with this email or I will look a right idiot.


As long as the thought is there most people will overlook
transgressions, except when the topic is about etiquette.

I'm sure someone will pick me up on my etiquette.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Could Linux (and Ubuntu) do more to encourage students?

[Andy]

On 02/02/07, London School of Puppetry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> or even put it onto some computers- are there CD's?

There are most certianly CDs. You can either dowload an ISO and burn
it your self, or order via shipit (theres an edubuntu shippit now).
See: <http://www.edubuntu.org/Download>
Or for Shipit: <https://shipit.edubuntu.org/>


> But I
> know they will want to know about support.and the support is in the hands of
> a MS franchised group.

<http://www.ubuntu.com/support/paid> or
<http://www.ubuntu.com/support/marketplace> might be of use.


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[ubuntu-uk] Could Linux (and Ubuntu) do more to encourage students?

[Andy]

Hi all.

I just got an email from the Microsoft Marketing department, well
technically the sender was my University and it wasn't from the
marketing guys, or at least they don't call them selves that.

I am not entirely sure why my University is forwarding me junk mail
from Microsoft, I don't remember asking for it.

Anyway onto the fruit of the matter.
It was from the "Developer and Platform Evangelist Group".

It was about a competition called the "Imagine Cup", where you could
win $25,000.

Now you might think it is nice of Microsoft to be running such a
competition, I being a cynic have to wonder why they are running the
competition.
And I need not wonder for long, they reason is clear on these 2 URLs:
<http://imaginecup.com/Competition/SoftwareDesign.aspx>
<http://imaginecup.com/Competition/ProjectHoshimi.aspx>

Both require the use of .NET, and the software design requires the use
of Visual Studio.

I find it odd that my University mailed this, seems as they don't
lecture anything about .NET, and the CS department machines run Red
Hat Enterprise Linux.

It appears Microsoft are trying to buy off the young coders. Why is
Canonical, Red Hat and other Linux vendors not doing similar things?
If this works we will have no programmers for Linux, and we have few
enough Linux users as it is!

It would be happy to get an email from my University about a
programming competition based on Linux. And yet all I get is Pro-MS
stuff, using technology that the University doesn't even teach.

Incidentally we are taught C, and also Java, anyone else thinking that
Canonical and Sun should get together.

Oh well rant over. back to more important thinks (like trying to pass
my degree, you actually have to do work for them, I wish someone had
warned me about that ;))

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC Consultation[Scanned]

[Andy]

On 01/02/07, Paul Brunt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> that means the BBC will have to come up with some
> sort of DRM for Linux if we want to use the service.

Well they don't need to come up with a secure DRM scheme as they don't
have one of those for Windows either, (one could argue that a secure
software based DRM scheme can not exist).

So we can accept that it will be breakable.

Its not hard to make a DRM scheme for Linux, why does the OS even
matter? C/C++/Java/Python code is portable, or do they want to use
.NET or something?

Software DRM works only on the assumption that one can not determine
how the "authorised" program works. You can do that just as easily on
Linux, just compile the code, yes it can be reverse engineered but you
could never hide it anyway, the CPU needs to be able to understand it.

I could probably write a DRM program in Bash, if I knew more about
shell scripting and had a clue about awk and sed and what not.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC Vista Coverage

[Andy]

On 31/01/07, Andy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Ah I clicked on customise, went to OS and see Linux is not there!
> I will poke around further if I still can't find it Dell will be
> getting a strongly worded email.

OK my fault I should have read it thoroughly, you actually have to
contact your Dell Sales Representative to get Linux.

So where are the ones that I don't have to phone a guy for?
(Maybe I should not have been looking at something labelled small
business, I thought it was a bit expensive).

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC Vista Coverage

[Andy]

On 31/01/07, Scrase, Eddie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I didn't realise Dell did that
Thats the problem, no one does that doesn't already know about Linux.

They are apparently extremely hard to find even if you are looking for
them and know they are there. It may have been improved mind.

People who know nothing about computers won't go hunting for something
that they haven't heard of.

Offer them 2 PCs identical spec, prices varying to reflect cost of
software and they may well go for Linux.

If the prices are the same (because the company is ripping the
customer off), then they won't.

Slight correction, searching for Linux does return some results, but
they say WindowsXP on the search page. But if you click on them you
can chose Linux.
(seems I searched for Linux you thought the search system would be
smart enough to display that wouldn't you?).

Ah I clicked on customise, went to OS and see Linux is not there!
I will poke around further if I still can't find it Dell will be
getting a strongly worded email.


> The nice people at the Linux Emporium
> (www.linuxemporium.co.uk) sell laptops with Suse Linux pre-installed.
People won't by from websites they've never heard of.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC Consultation

[Andy]

On 31/01/07, Scrase, Eddie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The BBC are running a consultation about introducing on-demand services (for
> example, replaying shows over the internet).

Noticed this as well, was half way through writing an email about it
when yours arrived in my Inbox, great minds think alike?

At least the trust is kind of on our side:
> The Trust also recommends that the BBC adopts a more platform-agnostic
> approach to the digital rights management framework which protects the
> programmes offered for download.
>
> The DRM framework currently relies on Microsoft technology but, the Trust 
> says,
> the BBC must develop a more platform-agnostic approach "within a reasonable
> framework" which takes account of other technology, such as Apple and Linux.
>From <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6317389.stm>


My view on non MS platform support: Extremely important. Not only do
non Microsoft users still have to pay the license fee if they own a
T.V. but the BBC was also created to cater for those who other
commercial entities didn't, so if anything it is more important to
make it available on non MS platforms than on MS platforms.

Does Canonical plan to make a formal response to this? They are based
on the Isle of Man aren't they?


All I can say is that I will be extremely disappointed if the BBC make
it Windows only. I have a Dual Boot and my Windows usage is dwindling,
I have found nothing on Windows that I want to use (forced to use
PowerPoint, but never want to).
I think the BBC giving people a reason not to use Linux or Open
Source/Free Software is surely interfering with commercial markets is
it not?

If its too much work to make a player for Linux, then release all the
documentation, APIs and Specs, you never know someone may be kind
enough to develop the application for you.

It worries me also that the BBC was allowed to spend money on
developing this program for Windows systems when it could have simply
provided the server side bit and let other people create the clients,
saving the BBC money.


Also a good quote from an analyst about the need for players for every
different download service harming adoption.

> "Consumers will have a computer littered with applications that take up
> space and memory. It would be like having to have separate set-top boxes
> to watch content from competing broadcasters,"

If only we had a standard for data transfer or video encoding.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Guidelines for the mailing list (and Reply-To munging)

[Andy]

On 30/01/07, Neil Greenwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I get messages from two lists in this mailbox; one has Reply-to
> munging, the other doesn't.

What I find confusing is the Ubuntu and Ubuntu-uk set the reply to the
list (which I prefer), but sounder has the reply-to set to the author.
That always gets me. Why isn't it at least consistent?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Opensource on BBC Technology

[Andy]

On 18/01/07, Neil Greenwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> While I agree heartily with all of your points, I think there might be
> a flaw with this one...
> I seem to remember (and I could be incorrect on this) that at least
> some schools have licensing deals with Microsoft where the school
> purchases Office and the licence applies to the home machines of the
> students too. So the school can legally give out copies of MS Office
> to its students.
I was never offered MS Windows or MS Office by either my High School or College.

My University did pay a fee to Microsoft so we can get Windows XP
free, but NOT MS Office.

I also suspect there are indeed restrictions.
For the MSDN Academic Alliance (which can only cover certain subjects)
some of those restrictions include:
Not allowing other people to use the system (that includes family)
unless they are a member of MSDN-AA
Only being allowed to use it for academic or non-commercial work

and some of my favourites
Only being allowed to use windows to use the other MSDN-AA tools
Only being allowed to install it on machines that came with no operating system
(so no upgrading OS)
You can't use WinXP solely as a terminal accessing a UNIX telnet server

You need to be enrolled in: Science, Technology, Engineering or Maths
to get it as well.



On another note:

Anyone else think its ironic the E.U. publishes a report backing open
source, and the PDF was generated on Windows?

(according to evince: Acrobat Elements 7.0 (Windows) )

I wonder what the report was typed in?



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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Opensource on BBC Technology

[Andy]

On 17/01/07, London School of Puppetry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Could someone outline for me the benefits of using OSS in schools and other
> publicly funded bodies- I feel in need of someone with knowledge to tell me,
> Caroline


I would expect the GNU guys to have a page about this on their
website, and here it is:
<http://www.gnu.org/education/education.html>

Some reasons off the top of my head:
1. Price (its often free of cost)

2. No single vendor lock in, Free Open Source software can be examined
and thus you can produce other compatible programs to read any files
you may have had.
You can also port them o different systems if you want.

3. Security. Schools hold sensitive information. If you use non-free
software you can not accurately determine what the program is doing,
it could be sending sensitive information back to its creator or could
have deliberate backdoors in it.
No-one but Microsoft knows if Windows contains such backdoors, but
there is more evidence to suggest it does have backdoors than evidence
to suggest it doesn't.

4. Ability to provide software to students, schools can allow students
to do work at home, such as writing essays, as long as they have a PC
if the school uses Free software then they can give out copies. This
allows poorer people to receive a better education, as much software
is now more expensive than the minimum hardware needed for a working
system.
(MS Office 2003, student version: £119.99 WinXP home SP2 £176.99
source Amazon.co.uk)
ArsTechnica budget box is $500, (roughly £250),
thus hardware cheaper than the MS OS and Office suite.
And that's not counting all the other software.
Or is it OK to require people to have money to get an education?

5. Ability to learn from the software.
All the source code is available. If a student asks 'how does this
program work', you can give them the source code to find out for
themselves.

6. Ability to adapt it to work with the schools system.

7. Ability to fix problems with the software if/when the vendor
refuses to (and yes vendors like Microsoft have refused to fix serious
security issues, let alone bugs)

8. Reassurance the program isn't going to suddenly stop being
maintained. If the company hat creates it folds another company can
work on it from where the dead company left off.

9. Effective use of British tax payers money. Should British tax payer
money be spent on strengthening a foreign monopoly? Surely it should
support British software companies. (And we all know that Canonical is
registered in the Isle of Man right?)

Also you may want to look at the Becta report.
<http://www.becta.org.uk/corporate/press_out.cfm?id=4681>

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] BBC parliament

[Andy]

On 15/01/07, Roberto Sarrionandia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I can't access any of the realplayer video either, just the WMV.
What plug in is FireFox using?
Try the mplayer plug in for FireFox, it can handle real media OK.
If you get the first second playing and then it stops then just keep
hitting play eventually it will work, I think someone had a fix for
this (I will try and find it, in case that's what you need).

And of course complain to the BBC. They are supposed to be providing
content to all users!!!
I was always told the justification for having the BBC was so it could
provide for the smaller sectors of society that where not commercially
viable to provide for, so surely this means they should be supporting
Linux over Windows?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] IRC security mention in Ubuntu Weekly News 27

[Andy]

On 15/01/07, alan c <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I  have only used IRC a few times, and have only a vague idea of the
> issues around it. I noyice in UWN 27 that
> =
> If you are using IRC to connect to any of the Ubuntu IRC channels, the
> IRC Operator's Team would like to inform you that to make your
> connection secure you should use port 8001 when connecting to any of
> the Freenode servers.
Secure?
Do they really mean secure, when I tired to make an SSL connection it
refused, but non SSL works fine.
I would not ever call an un encrypted connection 'secure'.


> There has been a recent surge in people
> exploiting vulnerable routers of IRC users. Using port 8001 will
> prevent you from being disconnected from one of these DCC attacks.
This suggests to me that an attack is launched against a router, this
router then launches an attack on the users PC, is this correct?


> It
> is also recommended that you download and install the latest firmware
> for your router.
Ironically updating firmware for products from Linux is one of the
trickiest things to do IMHO. The firmware update software is written
for windows generally.

Anyone got any more info about this?

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Government report warns about Microsoft lock-in

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Title: signature




Toby Smithe wrote:

  On Sat, 2007-01-13 at 10:17 +, Andy Trevor wrote:
  
  
Toby Smithe wrote: 


  Hi Phil,

I am all too keen to work with Becta. However, I feel that they should
at least allow me the simple courtesy of a hard-earned reply.
  
  

Guys there is already channel set up with Becta.  Ian Lynch from
SchoolForge UK meets with them on a regular basis.

  
  
This is good to hear. What has been achieved so far through this
relationship?
  

The profile of OSS has been raised but it is a case of slowly prodding
away.  

Becta are aware of the benefits of using OSS but these things take time.



  
  
  
Becta asked for a single point of contact to the OSS community to come
from OSC or Schoolforge UK.  Ian was chosen due to his depth of
knowledge in this area.

  
  
I feel that a single point, whilst convenient, is fallible. The
community is so vast and varied. No matter how deep someone's knowledge
is, they cannot know everything. 
  


The single point of contact was at the request of Becta.  

I agree that all interests cannot be covered by one man, but that is
what they wanted.  

Ian is a very knowledgeable man and has been in the education and OSS
game for a long long time. 

For the moment I think the best idea is to get signed up on the
Schoolforge mailing list and get involved with things that way.

  
  
  
Co ordinating efforts through the Schoolforge mailing list may be the
best option.


  On Fri, 2007-01-12 at 21:44 +, Phil Bull wrote:
  
  
  
Hi Toby,

On Fri, 2007-01-12 at 20:16 +, Toby Smithe wrote:
[...]



  I have been quite busy on the fight for free software for schools, and
am publishing any developments on that front at
http://tibsplace.co.uk/blog/index.php/category/free-software

I don't really trust BECTA. They didn't reply to my completely serious
e-mail, so I just assume they are been pressurised into preferring
proprietary software. They could just have issued this statement to make
us content. I will again write to them, but until I receive a reply, I
have no idea why I should think they are trustworthy.
  
  

I've been following some of your efforts, and it does seem as though
you've just been sent stock responses by their PR department. This is
unfortunate considering the effort you've obviously put into this, but
it's something we need to confront.

I think entering into a dialogue with BECTA will be necessary as a
gateway to the LEAs (Local Education Authorities). A great deal of IT
policy-making in schools rests with the LEAs, I believe, even if some
schools choose not to follow their recommendations. FOSS-sympathetic
LEAs would be able to provide resources and support on a level which
could make the adoption of FOSS seem much more practical for a great
deal of schools.

Please take a look at this Becta press release [1], especially the three
reports in the 'Notes to Editors' section. I found them very
enlightening; the biggest problem the schools studied seemed to come up
against was a lack of support from the LEA. Some LEAs even seemed to
actively discourage open-source adoption:

"The LEA provides no ICT support to the school, and some animosity has
grown over the issue of the school using OSS." [2]

By working with Becta, we could hopefully open a useful communication
channel with the LEAs.

Thanks,

Phil

[1] - http://www.becta.org.uk/corporate/press_out.cfm?id=4681
[2] - Open Source Software in Schools: A case study report [1] (Page 6,
Case Study 3, 'ICT in the school')



  


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Re: [ubuntu-uk] OSS on BBC Radio 4, 9.30pm Sunday 14th Jan 2007

[Andy]

On 14/01/07, John McCourt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Shuttleworth
> should organise an event for them to attend too or
> appear on the Breakfast program to talk about his
> space trip and really talk about Linux ;-)

I _think_ he was on a BBC podcast once, probably Go Digital or Digital
Planet (they changed the name at some point).

You can read a few bits from the interview at:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6080048.stm

The Download link appears to point to the latest show and not the one
referred to on the page.

The BBC remove their podcast episodes from the feed 7 days after
broadcast, not sure why.

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Re: [ubuntu-uk] Government report warns about Microsoft lock-in

[Andy Trevor]

Toby Smithe wrote:

  Hi Phil,

I am all too keen to work with Becta. However, I feel that they should
at least allow me the simple courtesy of a hard-earned reply.
  


Guys there is already channel set up with Becta.  Ian Lynch from
SchoolForge UK meets with them on a regular basis.

Becta asked for a single point of contact to the OSS community to come
from OSC or Schoolforge UK.  Ian was chosen due to his depth of
knowledge in this area.

Co ordinating efforts through the Schoolforge mailing list may be the
best option.

  
On Fri, 2007-01-12 at 21:44 +, Phil Bull wrote:
  
  
Hi Toby,

On Fri, 2007-01-12 at 20:16 +, Toby Smithe wrote:
[...]


  I have been quite busy on the fight for free software for schools, and
am publishing any developments on that front at
http://tibsplace.co.uk/blog/index.php/category/free-software

I don't really trust BECTA. They didn't reply to my completely serious
e-mail, so I just assume they are been pressurised into preferring
proprietary software. They could just have issued this statement to make
us content. I will again write to them, but until I receive a reply, I
have no idea why I should think they are trustworthy.
  

I've been following some of your efforts, and it does seem as though
you've just been sent stock responses by their PR department. This is
unfortunate considering the effort you've obviously put into this, but
it's something we need to confront.

I think entering into a dialogue with BECTA will be necessary as a
gateway to the LEAs (Local Education Authorities). A great deal of IT
policy-making in schools rests with the LEAs, I believe, even if some
schools choose not to follow their recommendations. FOSS-sympathetic
LEAs would be able to provide resources and support on a level which
could make the adoption of FOSS seem much more practical for a great
deal of schools.

Please take a look at this Becta press release [1], especially the three
reports in the 'Notes to Editors' section. I found them very
enlightening; the biggest problem the schools studied seemed to come up
against was a lack of support from the LEA. Some LEAs even seemed to
actively discourage open-source adoption:

"The LEA provides no ICT support to the school, and some animosity has
grown over the issue of the school using OSS." [2]

By working with Becta, we could hopefully open a useful communication
channel with the LEAs.

Thanks,

Phil

[1] - http://www.becta.org.uk/corporate/press_out.cfm?id=4681
[2] - Open Source Software in Schools: A case study report [1] (Page 6,
Case Study 3, 'ICT in the school')


  



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