Re: [ubuntu-uk] 15.10 Wily - Dash problem
On 30/08/15 21:49, Barry Drake wrote: However (thankfully!) the bug I reported is still there. Newbie maybe, but not the same amount of egg-on-face. Thank you Colin. Just a final update on this problem. I've posted the below on the bug report. I think it explains where I am at: "End of bug - please close this one. But please consider making it a Unity wishlist item. No one I was in contact with could repeat the problem. I downloaded the latest daily-build of Wily, and tried everything I could in the live session to break Unity. I conclude that the problem occurred during the implementation of a number of major changes to gnome, Compiz and the Unity plugin. My wish: after the first release of Unity - before Maverick, I think. We were promised some easy tools for editing lenses, and generally customising Unity. The best we got was the ability to make a limited number of changes - mostly cosmetic. I spent time way back studying the Unity system, but the user needs to get pretty deep into the code to do anything very much. My main complaint is that there is now no working method I can find to do a 'factory reset' of Unity. I ended up re-installing the system. I normally work entirely in a development cycle as soon as the testing version is available. I am always able to restore all data if there is a catastrophic failure. I expect to have to re-install at least a couple of times during the cycle, but it's worth it to be able to report bugs early. Unity developers, please give us more control over the Unity environment! I felt almost like a Microsoft user! I'd be very grateful if one of the Unity developers could take the trouble to contact me so we could exchange a couple of emails". Regards,Barry. -- http://barrydrake.co.nr/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 15.10 Wily - Dash problem
On 30/08/15 17:46, Colin Law wrote: That's what is confusing me too. I don't see how there can be any accounts unless they have been added by the user. I see none with Wily. I've been trying to take a screenshot, but the window I want to capture has to be in focus, and without the dash, I haven't figured out how to do it. There is a Google account in the left hand pane - so I must have set it up; possible to get evolution to work so I could import my google contacts. They don't come in a form which the Thunderbird address-book can use, and the recommended method seems to be to install evolution. This must have been where the problem began - although I had assumed it was a Wily default. My bad!. It still represents a problem though, so I'll add this information to the bug. Thanks for all your trouble here. Regards,Barry. -- http://barrydrake.co.nr/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 15.10 Wily - Dash problem
On 30/08/15 21:15, Colin Law wrote: Make sure you use dist-upgrade not upgrade, or if you are using apt rather than apt-get then sudo apt update sudo apt full-upgrade Thanks Colin I feel like the ultimate newbie now. I'd never heard of 'dist-upgrade'. It produced many upgrades that I didn't have - including a whole lot of GKT and Unity items. I'll know next time! Thanks. However (thankfully!) the bug I reported is still there. Newbie maybe, but not the same amount of egg-on-face. Thank you Colin. Kind regards, Barry -- http://barrydrake.co.nr/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 15.10 Wily - Dash problem
On 30/08/15 20:29, Alan Pope wrote: Thanks Al. That's shown me how badly broken my system now is! Alt-F give me the broken dash. I haven't re-assigned any quick keys on this system, so I decided to check. Alt f2, not alt f. Sorry - my typo. Alt f1 gives the launcher, Alt f2 gives the dash, with the current keyboard settings but as I say, some of the gnome-control-center calls (without GTK+ options, just the program name) give deprecated calls for some of the GTK+ library functions so as I say, I'm stuck until these are fixed and 'update' and 'upgrade' gives me some new GTK stuff. Regards,Barry. -- http://barrydrake.co.nr/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 15.10 Wily - Dash problem
On 30/08/15 18:45, Alan Pope wrote: Alt-F2, gnome-screenshot, set Grab after a delay of to some value, then click Take screenshot and make sure you have the dash or whatever you want to screenshot out when the countdown finishes. Thanks Al. That's shown me how badly broken my system now is! Alt-F give me the broken dash. I haven't re-assigned any quick keys on this system, so I decided to check. None of the keyboard settings options - either going from system-settings, or from /usr/share/applications works. All of them do nothing after a brief delay. No crash or anything. I looked at one of them called from the terminal, and it is evident that the present state of Wily on my machine is that a whole lot of the gnome libraries are, or need to be updated. There have been a lot of updates just a little earlier today, so, although I think the actual bug is a valid one, I can't do a lot more until I see what the state of Wily is in a few days. If I've got completely out of step, I'll re-install. Regards,Barry -- http://barrydrake.co.nr/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 15.10 Wily - Dash problem
On 30 Aug 2015 7:36 pm, Barry Drake ubuntu-advertis...@gmx.com wrote: On 30/08/15 18:45, Alan Pope wrote: Alt-F2, gnome-screenshot, set Grab after a delay of to some value, then click Take screenshot and make sure you have the dash or whatever you want to screenshot out when the countdown finishes. Thanks Al. That's shown me how badly broken my system now is! Alt-F give me the broken dash. I haven't re-assigned any quick keys on this system, so I decided to check. Alt f2, not alt f. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 15.10 Wily - Dash problem
On Sun, 2015-08-30 at 17:07 +0100, Barry Drake wrote: On 30/08/15 17:01, Colin Law wrote: How did you remove them? In the Online Accounts settings window, on the Google account settings, each of these accounts shows an 'on/off' switch. I turned all of them off to block access. I didn't remove any software, or alter any other parameters. This made me have a look in my settings; I'm using 14.04 though. I have zero google account showing. Is this because I have not given the opportunity for that to happen or there has been a change to make it a default in 15.10? Genuine curiosity, I'd love to know if it's a default coming up on [ carried through to] next LTS. Bill B. [SuperEngineer] -- -Registered Linux User 523667- -Registered Ubuntu User 32366- -Free as in Freedom-- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 15.10 Wily - Dash problem
On 30/08/15 15:14, Colin Law wrote: You say in the bug [1] that you removed interaction with all Google accounts (settings-online accounts) but I don't understand exactly what you mean by that. In the Online Account settings, it lists access by Ubuntu to the following Google online accounts by these apps: Evolution Data Server (if Evolution is installed) for Contacts, for Calendar and for Gmail. I removed all three Shotwell Photo Search Plugin Google Drive Search plugin The last three are installed and activated by default. I'm finding Google very intrusive in the way it is using my personal data to sell to advertisers, and to give me heavily targeted advertising. I though I could get away with it in Ubuntu - at the moment, in 15.10, the answer seems to be 'no way'. I do, however want to access Google Contacts, via the slightly buggy but useable google-contacts app installed by default (I think) in Wily - but that's all. I'd like to have Thunderbird sync with these contacts, but I have to do that manually at the moment. I think I'd better explain this in the bug report. Regards,Barry. -- http://barrydrake.co.nr/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 15.10 Wily - Dash problem
On 30/08/15 17:01, Colin Law wrote: How did you remove them? In the Online Accounts settings window, on the Google account settings, each of these accounts shows an 'on/off' switch. I turned all of them off to block access. I didn't remove any software, or alter any other parameters. Regards,Barry. Colin Shotwell Photo Search Plugin Google Drive Search plugin The last three are installed and activated by default. I'm finding Google very intrusive in the way it is using my personal data to sell to advertisers, and to give me heavily targeted advertising. I though I could get away with it in Ubuntu - at the moment, in 15.10, the answer seems to be 'no way'. I do, however want to access Google Contacts, via the slightly buggy but useable google-contacts app installed by default (I think) in Wily - but that's all. I'd like to have Thunderbird sync with these contacts, but I have to do that manually at the moment. I think I'd better explain this in the bug report. Regards,Barry. -- http://barrydrake.co.nr/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- http://barrydrake.co.nr/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 15.10 Wily - Dash problem
On 29/08/15 14:20, Colin Law wrote: https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/1320539 (Dash search of applications is randomly disabled when online searches have been turned off) Hi there I've reported it as: Ubuntu bug# 1490277 If any of you feel like repeating it in in your non-destructive iso testing environment, please confirm. Kind regards, Barry. -- http://barrydrake.co.nr/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 15.10 Wily - Dash problem
On 30 August 2015 at 17:07, Barry Drake ubuntu-advertis...@gmx.com wrote: On 30/08/15 17:01, Colin Law wrote: How did you remove them? In the Online Accounts settings window, on the Google account settings, each of these accounts shows an 'on/off' switch. I turned all of them off to block access. I didn't remove any software, or alter any other parameters. Do you mean accounts in the left hand pane? I am not seeing any there. Colin -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] 15.10 Wily - Dash problem
Hi there The dash on my 15.10 desktop 64 bit installation won't show any applications. This happened immediately after I'd tried to 'de-google' the system as far as I was able. I've since allowed google the same access as the default, but still can't get apps to show in the dash. The ideas suggested for 15.04 in one or more of the forums no longer works because unity no longer supports the --reset command that was part of the suggestion. I've run out of ideas, short of a re-install if all else fails. I don't even know what I'm looking for as the dash seems to be very much a part of unity. Any thoughts? Kind regards, Barry. -- http://barrydrake.co.nr/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 15.10 Wily - Dash problem
On 29/08/15 11:25, Alan Pope wrote: Do you mean the launcher on the left is gone, or it is there but empty, or it's there and you can open the dash (with the windows key) but no apps appear? Hi Alan. Thanks for your quick response. The launcher hasn't changed. The dash appears as normal, but shows only documents. Clicking the 'apps' icon at the bottom of the dash tells me that there is nothing that matches the search (for all applications). I said This happened immediately after I'd tried to 'de-google' the system as far as I was able. I had removed all of the google integration settings from the system settings - online accounts with the exception of contacts. It may have been co-incidental, but immediately after that, the problem first occurred. the problem does seem to have occurred in 15.04, but as I say, the workaround for that no longer works. I do have ccsm installed, but there doesn't seem to be anything I can do to the Unity plugin that looks promising. Otherwise, it's nice to be back with Ubuntu after a few months mainly on Mint because of Wine being broken from 14.10 through to 15.04. Once the fix reached 15.10, Mint is only there as an emergency backup. Kind regards, Barry. -- http://barrydrake.co.nr/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 15.10 Wily - Dash problem
On 29 August 2015 at 12:25, Barry Drake ubuntu-advertis...@gmx.com wrote: On 29/08/15 11:25, Alan Pope wrote: Do you mean the launcher on the left is gone, or it is there but empty, or it's there and you can open the dash (with the windows key) but no apps appear? Hi Alan. Thanks for your quick response. The launcher hasn't changed. The dash appears as normal, but shows only documents. Clicking the 'apps' icon at the bottom of the dash tells me that there is nothing that matches the search (for all applications). I said This happened immediately after I'd tried to 'de-google' the system as far as I was able. I had removed all of the google integration settings from the system settings - online accounts with the exception of contacts. It may have been co-incidental, but immediately after that, the problem first occurred. Have you disabled online search? I know it should not make any difference, but if so then try enabling it again. System Settings Security Privacy Search Colin -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 15.10 Wily - Dash problem
Hi Colin Thanks for your reply which seems to have disappeared! No, the online search is not disabled - but I think I had it disabled when I was trying to avoid google interference. Re-enabling everything did not cure the problem. Kind regards, Barry. -- http://barrydrake.co.nr/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 15.10 Wily - Dash problem
On 29 August 2015 at 10:40, Barry Drake ubuntu-advertis...@gmx.com wrote: Hi there The dash on my 15.10 desktop 64 bit installation won't show any applications. I don't understand what you mean here. Do you mean the launcher on the left is gone, or it is there but empty, or it's there and you can open the dash (with the windows key) but no apps appear? This happened immediately after I'd tried to 'de-google' the system as far as I was able. I don't even know what that means. I've run out of ideas, short of a re-install if all else fails. I don't even know what I'm looking for as the dash seems to be very much a part of unity. If it's the problem I think it is (that you've got no launcher) then I'd open a terminal with CTRL+ALT+T and then run ccsm (install it if it's not installed) and ensure the unity plugin is enabled. I have seen it become disabled sometimes. When that happens you get no launcher. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 15.10 Wily - Dash problem
On 29 August 2015 at 14:06, Barry Drake ubuntu-advertis...@gmx.com wrote: Hi Colin Thanks for your reply which seems to have disappeared! No, the online search is not disabled - but I think I had it disabled when I was trying to avoid google interference. Re-enabling everything did not cure the problem. OK, I thought it might be https://bugs.launchpad.net/hundredpapercuts/+bug/1320539 (Dash search of applications is randomly disabled when online searches have been turned off) but apparently not. Don't know then, sorry. Colin Kind regards, Barry. -- http://barrydrake.co.nr/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
