date:20070612

What really bugs me about her razzamatazz is the fact that while I've lived 
here 22 years as of June 2, I didn't notice any sudden magical transformation 
when she blew into town. As other long and longer-term residents have been 
witnessing on this list, this has always been a pretty fine place to live, and 
lots of people have made it that way. A million-dollar flackette waving her 
wand and puffing herself apparently has made a big impression on some gullible 
folks, but I just don't see it that way. 
-- 

You are absolutely correct.  

But Penn has been attempting to damage our community for a long time.  Because 
of the great culture, Penn was never able to destroy this neighborhood and 
folks like me have always wandered off campus and found out that all the 
contempt was based  on lies.. 

 Just before the UCD invasion, some might not remember this important reality, 
but Penn added an additional policy.

Some have discussed how Penn had been bad mouthing the neighborhood and 
Philadelphia generally for some 4 decades.  When center city was being marketed 
as a hip destination, Penn further pushed its community to center city by 
expanding the free and exclusive Penn transit services so that Penn folks could 
live downtown without taking public transit used by commoners.

I saw the numbers back then and within a couple years in the mid 90's thousands 
of grad students left this neighborhood for center city. They were actively 
pushed in that direction while the mean spirited warnings about West Phila. 
kept them scared. For a time, this transit and center city marketing caused the 
streets to be more deserted in the evenings. This time encouraged me to move 
back home and buy property in this neighborhood. But it probably caused 
tremendous damage to some in this community.  

After softening up the neighborhood, darling Judy waited for one high profile 
crime to launch the invasion.  An unfortunate man, Vladimir Sled, was stabbed 
over a botched purse snatching.  That one incident then became the catylyst to 
launch all this pre-planned stuff.

I spoke with others about the Penn propaganda prior to the UCD invasion. I 
worked at Penn and was up to date on the Penn message. It was clear that the 
invasion had been planned all along and unfortunate Mr. Sled was being used as 
the pretext for Penn Real Estate to make its moves. Levy of the center city 
district let it slip out at a NID show that he and Frye were plotting the plan 
to give Penn/UCD taxation authority sometime back in the mid 90's.  How about 
that for a revelation of the real truth?

 People who want to research this really need to go back to the mid 90's, read 
the Penn propaganda, and look at the softening up of the real estate market 
prior to the invasion.  The one good thing that came out of this was that West 
Philadelphia got me back.  

Of course, with the funky vibe that, as you pointed out, came from the 
diverse people of this community whom loved the place, the neighborhood as a 
whole was still great throughout all of this time.  When the grad students 
moved out, the place didn't collapse but formerly displaced people came back.  
Now, most are gone again.  

Some fools who have been approached by Penn operatives jumped at the chance and 
the fool's gold of the invaders.  

The fools and collaborators said:  Gee whiz, Penn is listening to me and our 
stupid association of neighborhood cranks  They're going to give me fool's gold 
and let me bully my neighbors if I cheer their agenda as Penn turns this into 
the new type of elite destination.  Please UCD, I'll shut up about your 
neo-feudalism if you choose me out of the three choices.  Please, please, I can 
be the biggest crank and bully if you just choose me!  

Ask Tony and Melani if I captured the basic idea.  Those are the types of 
community leaders Penn looks to use because of their personality issues and 
limited intelligence.  Penn would not deal with the real leaders among the 
people but sought to replace these folks with the cranks.

This Judy invasion was not charity but an ugly long term policy of treating 
Philadelphia and especially this neighborhood as a monopoly board rather than 
as a community where citizens live.  We don't need Penn's fucking charity, we 
need corporate restitution!  The tremendous harm they have done to our city 
with their contemptuous policies and marketing justifies Penn hiring Mr 
Fenton to clean all the city parks from Grays Ferry to North Philly and all 
points in between. The entire city has been hurt by Penn's corporate spin.

If one looks at the facts with my observations in mind, one will notice that 
all Philadelphia neighborhoods, like the former ghetto known as center city,  
became attractive to people as soon as the bad-mouthing stopped.  We don't need 
'positive lies or what is called marketing.  We just need Penn to stop being a 
loud mouthed mean spirited neighbor, end its UCD marketing invasion, and treat

Re: [UC] Out of the Ivory Tower and Into the Streets


On 6/12/07, Glenn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




Ask Tony and Melani if I captured the basic idea.  Those are the types of
community leaders Penn looks to use because of their personality issues and
limited intelligence.  Penn would not deal with the real leaders among the
people but sought to replace these folks with the cranks.



Glenn, I was following you most of the way until you had to toss in the
gratuitous insults of Tony and Melani. Dude, there's really no need for it.
We all have our unique personality issues, including me, and intelligence
is a relative thing.

--
Ross Bender
http://rossbender.org

Re: [UC] Infrequently asked questions


Neighborhoods that squabble and bicker are the
ones that get cut out of the game.

-- Tony West


Neighborhood associations that tell public lies and call their council 
person a liar, get cut out of the game too.



Glenn's report is false. John Fenton has not been fired. His employer, Lewis 
Wendell stated that clearly at the meeting Glenn attended. Seventy people 
heard him say that.


-- Tony West

How is the investigation of Committeeman 7 shaping up?

The Wanker



- Original Message - 
From: Anthony West [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: UC List univcity@list.purple.com
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 8:29 PM
Subject: Re: [UC] Infrequently asked questions


This notion betrays an unfamiliarity with budgeting for Recreation 
facilities in neighborhoods beyond our own.


The city has been drifting away from swimming pools across the city. Pools 
are increasingly costly to maintain and since Rec budget has been frozen 
for many years now, and since the user population of the city is falling, 
Rec has been looking for ways to reduce the number of pools. But I see no 
class or income pattern to Rec's pool distribution. A new indoor swimming 
pool was opened up in North Philadelphia within the last 12 months. 
Meanwhile, the only new pool I've seen in Clark Park are the increasingly 
flooded patches caused by drastic soil compaction.


Across West Philadelphia in recent years, parks and recreation centers in 
working-class neighbors such as Kingsessing Rec and Carroll Park have 
received substantial infrastructure investment. Since Clark Park may be 
the most intensively used community park in the entire city, and is large 
in acreage, it may even be lagging in City investment relative to its user 
base.


In general, the wrong side of the tracks has received ample 
infrastructure goodies from City Government over the last eight years. The 
electoral base of the Street Administration owes little or nothing to 
wealthy neighborhoods. And one of the striking feature of University 
City is how little political power it wields, compared to more typical 
Philadelphia neighborhoods.


In general, neighborhoods that unite politically, whether rich or poor, 
are the ones that get the juice. Neighborhoods that squabble and bicker 
are the ones that get cut out of the game.


-- Tony West

I believe that once the good areas have separate service districts, the 
budgets for less powerful, less wealthy neighborhoods will be slashed.


I gave a good example of this with our local sprayground.  While Clark 
Park is about to have enormous resources including city resources 
lavished on it, the swimming pool so important to the kids that can't 
afford all of the private privleges was paved over at 47th south of 
Woodland.  That Rec. center is on the wrong side of the tracks.




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[UC] RE: Warning : Damage to porch to Steal a bike and recent entry in the day

The real problem here is storing a bike on a porch. The answer is.
 
JUST DON'T DO IT. 
 
Storing bikes on porches is just asking for trouble. If a thief sees a
bike on a 
porch not only will they attempt to steal the bike (and damage what ever
it is chained to)
but also take a look in your windows to see what else is available.
 
I personally don't believe window bars are necessary if you are doing
some of the other 
important anti-crime practices such as:
 
1.  Trimming scrubs which block the pedestrian-way or porch-view.
2.  Create well lit exteriors particularly installing porch lights.
3.  Invest in a monitored alarm system for your home and display a
sign or sticker.
4.  Closing curtains when no one is at home or at night before you
go to bed.
5.  Not placing valuables in windows such as bikes or computers
(laptops) etc.
6.  Keeping a log of suspicious activity for your block and
forwarding to the police.
7.  Calling 911 when you see potentially dangerous things happening.
 
We need to be a bit smarter about crime  safety.
 
I have a block safety guide and a safety survey for distribution, just
e-mail me off-list.
 
The keys are communicating with neighbors and the police about what is
happening on your block.
 
S
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mariellen Smith
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 10:25 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity@list.purple.com
Subject: Re: Warning : Damage to porch to Steal a bike and recent entry
in the day
 
It always struck me as strange that all those really nice houses around
Osage and Larchwood don't have bars on the windows. The people with the
really nice homes would presumably also have some really nice stuff. And
they are the only houses around without bars. If you were going to
steal, where would you go? I know that area looks like a nice suburb,
but people seem to have forgotten that they are still in the city. The
bars are not that pretty, but there is a reason why most homes have
them. 

The rule of Philadelphia is, 'If it's not locked up or nailed down,
somebody's going to take it. And even if it is, somebody's still going
to try.' This is certainly true with bikes. When you bring a bike into
this city, you should probably just reconcile yourself to the fact that
you are really just renting it. I'm on bike # 2. Bike # 1 was stolen off
my porch on 43rd and Larchwood. It's unfortunate and it's not right, but
it's how it is. There are lots of good people and nice homes in this
area, but you need to remember where you are. You still need to be
vigilant about your self, your home, and your belongings. 

On a side note, that thief seems really bad at what he does. Hopefully,
he will get caught soon and no one will get hurt.

-Mariellen Smith

At 07:11 PM 6/11/2007, Vivianne T. Nachmias wrote:


and I am told by my husband that a house on 400 block of 47th St. was
broken into (window, first floor) during the day. the burglar was
seen by some  one and scared him away a member of the househo0ld was
on the 3rd floor and did not hear the peerson so maybe it happened
fasst.
do be sure windows are locked.
Vivianne
On Jun 11, 2007, at 2:43 PM, Elizabeth F Campion wrote:



 
I do not have all the details yet, but a bike was stolen from a porch on
the 4700 block of Baltimore.
The wooden Porch Railing that it was chained to was severely damaged.
 
It seems clear that a serial thief is in our midst and we need to
exercise greater precautions until the thief is caught and stopped (if
necessary via lengthy detention).  I hope you and your property are and
remain safe.
 
 
Meanwhile, this bike was the primary form of transportation for a
eco-friendly, female grad student.
So if anyone has an obsoleted or extra bicycle that (must be
functioning, or within just a few dollars of working) that they can
donate (or sell cheaply) that could suit a young woman about 5'7 tall,
please let me know off list.
 
 
Other spare bikes, including kids bikes, helmets and parts, might be
welcome donations at the Neighborhood Bike Works.
NBW is a good organization that helps people, especially kids, learn to
respect and repair equipment, appreciate the environment, gain better
understanding of cost versus value, and learn and follow rules in a
cooperative environment.  
I just checked out their site and saw a notice about summer camps.
 
http://www.neighborhoodbikeworks.org/

ATTENTION:

Neighborhood Bike Works is offering 4 Earn-a-Bike Summer Camps. Spaces
are limited!  http://www.neighborhoodbikeworks.org/SUMMER.pdf Click
here to download the application. Feel free to contact us should you
have any questions or concerns.
 
Best!
Liz

[UC] bike theft

2007-06-12 Thread Jennifer Horner

to add BRIEFLY to the question of bike theft - a friend lost a bike because she 
locked it to a signpost on the street - the thief actually unscrewed the sign, 
removed it from the post, and lifted the bike up and off ! (probably working 
from the bed of a pickup at night)

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of S. Sharrieff Ali
Sent: Tue 6/12/2007 10:59 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity@list.purple.com
Subject: RE: Warning : Damage to porch to Steal a bike and recent entry in the 
day

The real problem here is storing a bike on a porch. The answer is...

JUST DON'T DO IT. 

Storing bikes on porches is just asking for trouble. If a thief sees a bike on 
a 
porch not only will they attempt to steal the bike (and damage what ever it is 
chained to)
but also take a look in your windows to see what else is available.

I personally don't believe window bars are necessary if you are doing some of 
the other 
important anti-crime practices such as:

1.  Trimming scrubs which block the pedestrian-way or porch-view. 
2.  Create well lit exteriors particularly installing porch lights. 
3.  Invest in a monitored alarm system for your home and display a sign or 
sticker. 
4.  Closing curtains when no one is at home or at night before you go to 
bed. 
5.  Not placing valuables in windows such as bikes or computers (laptops) 
etc. 
6.  Keeping a log of suspicious activity for your block and forwarding to 
the police. 
7.  Calling 911 when you see potentially dangerous things happening. 

We need to be a bit smarter about crime  safety.

I have a block safety guide and a safety survey for distribution, just e-mail 
me off-list.

The keys are communicating with neighbors and the police about what is 
happening on your block.

S
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mariellen Smith
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 10:25 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity@list.purple.com
Subject: Re: Warning : Damage to porch to Steal a bike and recent entry in the 
day

It always struck me as strange that all those really nice houses around Osage 
and Larchwood don't have bars on the windows. The people with the really nice 
homes would presumably also have some really nice stuff. And they are the only 
houses around without bars. If you were going to steal, where would you go? I 
know that area looks like a nice suburb, but people seem to have forgotten that 
they are still in the city. The bars are not that pretty, but there is a reason 
why most homes have them. 

The rule of Philadelphia is, 'If it's not locked up or nailed down, somebody's 
going to take it. And even if it is, somebody's still going to try.' This is 
certainly true with bikes. When you bring a bike into this city, you should 
probably just reconcile yourself to the fact that you are really just renting 
it. I'm on bike # 2. Bike # 1 was stolen off my porch on 43rd and Larchwood. 
It's unfortunate and it's not right, but it's how it is. There are lots of good 
people and nice homes in this area, but you need to remember where you are. You 
still need to be vigilant about your self, your home, and your belongings. 

On a side note, that thief seems really bad at what he does. Hopefully, he will 
get caught soon and no one will get hurt.

-Mariellen Smith

At 07:11 PM 6/11/2007, Vivianne T. Nachmias wrote:

and I am told by my husband that a house on 400 block of 47th St. was broken 
into (window, first floor) during the day. the burglar was seen by some  
one and scared him away a member of the househo0ld was on the 3rd floor and 
did not hear the peerson so maybe it happened fasst.
do be sure windows are locked.
Vivianne
On Jun 11, 2007, at 2:43 PM, Elizabeth F Campion wrote:

I do not have all the details yet, but a bike was stolen from a porch on the 
4700 block of Baltimore.
The wooden Porch Railing that it was chained to was severely damaged.

It seems clear that a serial thief is in our midst and we need to exercise 
greater precautions until the thief is caught and stopped (if necessary via 
lengthy detention).  I hope you and your property are and remain safe.

Meanwhile, this bike was the primary form of transportation for a eco-friendly, 
female grad student.
So if anyone has an obsoleted or extra bicycle that (must be functioning, or 
within just a few dollars of working) that they can donate (or sell cheaply) 
that could suit a young woman about 5'7 tall, please let me know off list.

Other spare bikes, including kids bikes, helmets and parts, might be welcome 
donations at the Neighborhood Bike Works.
NBW is a good organization that helps people, especially kids, learn to respect 
and repair equipment, appreciate the environment, gain better understanding of 
cost versus value, and learn and follow rules in a cooperative

RE: [UC] Out of the Ivory Tower and Into the Streets

Ross, I think the obvious way to settle this is a Cut-Throat Quizzo
Tournament at Abbraccio. Glenn, vs, Melani, vs, Tony West in a battle of
the minds. After that, there will be a crank contest that will allow
the spectators vote on who has the most crank like answers to a series
of questions from Who killed JFK? to List the five most salient
down-sides of the building of the Panama Canal -- at the end the person
with the highest quizzo score and lowest crank score will be voted off
the island. The winner (with the highest intelligence and least
crank-like) will be appointed real community leader. 

A part of the profits from spectator food and drink sales could be
donated to a local charity; once we all agree on a worthy one.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ross Bender
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 10:52 AM
To: Glenn
Cc: University City List
Subject: Re: [UC] Out of the Ivory Tower and Into the Streets



On 6/12/07, Glenn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 
Ask Tony and Melani if I captured the basic idea.  Those are the
types of community leaders Penn looks to use because of their
personality issues and limited intelligence.  Penn would not deal with
the real leaders among the people but sought to replace these folks with
the cranks.
 

Glenn, I was following you most of the way until you had to toss in the
gratuitous insults of Tony and Melani. Dude, there's really no need for
it. We all have our unique personality issues, including me, and
intelligence is a relative thing. 

--
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http://rossbender.org 


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Re: [UC] FS: Casablanca ceiling fan

On 6/12/07, Cheryl Shipman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Can we all please remember Crossroads Music, which was at Calvary
Center before Curio (not that anyone is making comparisons.) Ross
will remind you if you forget as that's where he developed his
undying love for Tuvan Throat Singers.

Speaking of the Tuvan Throat Singers, they're coming back, Monday, June 18,
at 7pm to the Rotunda. Remember, though, that the Rotunda is TOTALLY
controlled by Penn, whereas Crossroads Music is only a front group, if I
have all my conspiracies and funding sources straight.

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Tuvan throat singers share stage with local musicians
Traditional performance from Central Asia meets local music at The Rotunda
* * PHILADELPHIA - On Monday, June 18, 2007 at 7pm, The Rotunda will
present a performance like none that we --- or most venues in the United
States --- have held in the past.

[image: pictured: alash
rooftop]http://rs6.net/tn.jsp?t=dztbbacab.0.vfqh54bab.fxvcllbab.2593ts=S0252p=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alashensemble.com%2FThe
throat singing ensemble Alash will bring the unique music of the Central
Asian Republic of Tuva to Philadelphia for a 7:00 pm concert at The Rotunda,
4014 Walnut Street, Philadelphia, PA 19104. The event is open to the public
for free, though donations are encouraged. All ages are welcome.

For this special event, Philadelphia Jazz/improvisation mainstays Marshall
Allen, Elliot Levin, and other members of Sun Ra Arkestra, going by the name
EXTRA SPECIAL TERRESTRIAL GUESTS, will share the stage with our Tuvan
guests!

Tuva is a small Russian Republic in eastern Siberia, bordering Mongolia.
At various times, the area has been part of Manchuria and Mongolia, and
became part of the Soviet Union 60 years ago. The remote location and
Soviet-era travel restrictions limited visitors, but also allowed Tuvans to
preserve their unique musical traditions.

Throat singing developed among Tuva's semi-nomadic herders. Because throat
singing produces a musical sound that carries over long distances, the music
became a way for shepherds, yak herders and horsemen to entertain each other
and communicate across vast areas. In throat singing, a single vocalist
produces two distinct pitches simultaneously. The sounds of whistling birds,
bubbling streams, howling wolves, blowing wind, and horses cantering across
the wild, open land are often incorporated into the music, which is also
closely tied to Tuvan spiritual beliefs.

Alash, founded in 1999 at the Kyzyl Arts College in the capital city of
Tuva, toured North America for the first time in Spring 2006. Originally
known as Changy-Xaya,
Alashhttp://rs6.net/tn.jsp?t=dztbbacab.0.vfqh54bab.fxvcllbab.2593ts=S0252p=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alashensemble.com%2Flearned
about traditional Tuvan music from their families as well as the
well-known master Xoomeizhi Kongar-ool Ondar, as they also began to learn
about Western classical music and such concepts as harmony, theory, and
staff notation.
[image: pictured: alash ensemble]
The ensemble performs on seldom played traditional Tuvan instruments and
hybrids as well as violins and cellos. They find these Western instruments
appealing, and have begun exploring the new sound worlds that have arisen
from their unique, dual musical consciousness.

Ensemble member Mai-ool Sedip saysWe are inspired by the music of our
grandparents, and their grandparents, and all the great Tuvan and Central
Asian musicians of the post-Soviet era - Tuva Ensemble, Huun-Huur-Tu,
Chirgilchin, Sarymai, Andrei Mongush and Alexander Sarzhat-ool. We are also
influenced by Sun Ra and Jimi Hendrix. We compose new songs, and arrange
songs that we remember from childhood, such as Saryglar.'

Members of Alash are: Kongar-ool Ondar, artistic director (not traveling
with the group this tour); Bady-Dorzhu Ondar -- Vocals, igil,
doshpuluur;Ayan-ool Sam:
guitar, vocals, doshpuluur, chanzy, igil: Mai-ool Sedip -- vocals,
byzaanchy, limpi; Ayan Shirizhik --vocals, murgu, shoor, kengirge, xapchyk,
dunggur; and Sean Quirk, interpreter and manager.

Info on some of the EXTRA SPECIAL TERRESTRIAL GUESTS

After joining the Sun Ra
Arkestrahttp://rs6.net/tn.jsp?t=dztbbacab.0.aoundacab.fxvcllbab.2593ts=S0252p=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.elrarecords.com%2Fin
1958, Marshall
Allen (alto saxophonist, multi- instrumentalist, composer, bandleader,
arranger) led Sun Ra Arkestra's formidable reed section for over 40 years.
As a featured soloist with the Arkestra, he pioneered the avante-garde jazz
movement of the early 60s.
Marshallhttp://rs6.net/tn.jsp?t=dztbbacab.0.boundacab.fxvcllbab.2593ts=S0252p=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.elrarecords.com%2Fma.htmlwas
one of the first jazz musicians to play traditional African music and
what is now called world music. He is featured on over 200 Sun Ra
releases, as well as appearing with Phish, Sonic Youth, Diggable Planets,
Medeski, Martin Wood, et al. Marshall assumed the helm of the Sun Ra
Arkestra in 1995 and continues to reside at the Sun Ra Residence

Re: [UC] Out of the Ivory Tower and Into the Streets

2007-06-12 Thread KAREN ALLEN

Penn/UCD badmouths this neighborhood to this day.  Penn still markets itself 
by exaggerating how  they singlehandedly waived their magic wand and turned 
this post industrial wasteland of ten years ago into the heaven-on-earth 
we see now. And now, as Ross pointed out, they've even wrote a book about 
it.  UCD still implies that without them, all that we now see is a mere 
mirage that will disappear as if someone pulled the plug on the TV.


As if the neighborhood was a mere abandoned shell, or worse, were full of 
residents who were too lazy, or stupid, or both, to do anything about the 
horrible conditions without the all-knowing Penn there to ride in and 
rescue everyone. And as if the same economic changes were not happening in 
places that did not have Penn's beneficence bestowed upon them.



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], UnivCity@list.purple.com
Subject: Re: [UC] Out of the Ivory Tower and Into the Streets
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 14:34:00 EDT


In a message dated 6/11/07 2:19:57 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 This post may be your most twisted perspective on reality, yet.


Not sure where we disagree here, Liz.   I agreed with Ross that people (in
this case, Penn) claiming credit for things they hadn't done has always 
been a
problem in UC, and then I said that the best thing Judith Rodin did was 
stop

Penn from badmouthing the neighborhood in a way that had been making people
afraid to live here.   What part of that do you disagree with?   Do you 
think she

did something better?

Melani



Melani Lamond, Associate Broker
Urban  Bye, Realtor
3529 Lancaster Ave.
Philadelphia, PA 19104
cell phone 215-356-7266
office phone 215-222-4800, ext. 113
office fax 215-222-1101
2006 recipient of the Greater Philadelphia Association of Realtors awards:
- Diamond award for over $8 million in sales, and
ALL SIX of the West Philadelphia awards:
- Top Lister
- Top Seller
- Top Overall Combined Volume
- Top Listing Units by Area
- Top Selling Units by Area
- Top Overall Combined Units by Area



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[UC] RE: bike theft

Chaining bikes to sign post on corners..
 
Leaving valuables stored in cars (ski equipment, $100.00 sneakers
and gym bags, tools, expensive jackets, large CD collections in cases,
roller-blades, product boxes etc.  (I have seen all of these items visibly
stored in parked cars)
 
Again...JUST DON'T DO IT. 
 
It really brings thieves into the neighborhood when they can see on many
corners
and inside multiple cars thousands of dollars worth of bikes and goodies
just laying 
around for the taking.
 
The universities are not doing the best job with the on-going safety
education of
their student population and the landlords have not invested in bike racks
for their
tenants in well lit areas within the buildings grounds or adjacent to the
buildings.
 
It is also time for our resident base to step up the safety education as
well.
 
Most of the petty-thief crimes are preventable if we take a few common-sense
steps.
 
S
 
 
 
-Original Message-
From: Jennifer Horner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 11:11 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity@list.purple.com
Subject: bike theft
 
to add BRIEFLY to the question of bike theft - a friend lost a bike because
she locked it to a signpost on the street - the thief actually unscrewed the
sign, removed it from the post, and lifted the bike up and off ! (probably
working from the bed of a pickup at night)
 
  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of S. Sharrieff Ali
Sent: Tue 6/12/2007 10:59 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity@list.purple.com
Subject: RE: Warning : Damage to porch to Steal a bike and recent entry in
the day
The real problem here is storing a bike on a porch. The answer is...
 
JUST DON'T DO IT. 
 
Storing bikes on porches is just asking for trouble. If a thief sees a bike
on a 
porch not only will they attempt to steal the bike (and damage what ever it
is chained to)
but also take a look in your windows to see what else is available.
 
I personally don't believe window bars are necessary if you are doing some
of the other 
important anti-crime practices such as:
 
1.  Trimming scrubs which block the pedestrian-way or porch-view. 
2.  Create well lit exteriors particularly installing porch lights. 
3.  Invest in a monitored alarm system for your home and display a sign
or sticker. 
4.  Closing curtains when no one is at home or at night before you go to
bed. 
5.  Not placing valuables in windows such as bikes or computers
(laptops) etc. 
6.  Keeping a log of suspicious activity for your block and forwarding
to the police. 
7.  Calling 911 when you see potentially dangerous things happening. 
 
We need to be a bit smarter about crime  safety.
 
I have a block safety guide and a safety survey for distribution, just
e-mail me off-list.
 
The keys are communicating with neighbors and the police about what is
happening on your block.
 
S
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Mariellen Smith
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 10:25 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity@list.purple.com
Subject: Re: Warning : Damage to porch to Steal a bike and recent entry in
the day
 
It always struck me as strange that all those really nice houses around
Osage and Larchwood don't have bars on the windows. The people with the
really nice homes would presumably also have some really nice stuff. And
they are the only houses around without bars. If you were going to steal,
where would you go? I know that area looks like a nice suburb, but people
seem to have forgotten that they are still in the city. The bars are not
that pretty, but there is a reason why most homes have them. 

The rule of Philadelphia is, 'If it's not locked up or nailed down,
somebody's going to take it. And even if it is, somebody's still going to
try.' This is certainly true with bikes. When you bring a bike into this
city, you should probably just reconcile yourself to the fact that you are
really just renting it. I'm on bike # 2. Bike # 1 was stolen off my porch on
43rd and Larchwood. It's unfortunate and it's not right, but it's how it is.
There are lots of good people and nice homes in this area, but you need to
remember where you are. You still need to be vigilant about your self, your
home, and your belongings. 

On a side note, that thief seems really bad at what he does. Hopefully, he
will get caught soon and no one will get hurt.

-Mariellen Smith

At 07:11 PM 6/11/2007, Vivianne T. Nachmias wrote:
and I am told by my husband that a house on 400 block of 47th St. was broken
into (window, first floor) during the day. the burglar was seen by some
one and scared him away a member of the househo0ld was on the 3rd floor
and did not hear the peerson so maybe it happened fasst.
do be sure windows are locked.
Vivianne
On Jun

Re: [UC] Out of the Ivory Tower and Into the Streets


On 6/12/07, Kyle Cassidy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Ross, I think the obvious way to settle this is a Cut-Throat Quizzo
Tournament at Abbraccio. Glenn, vs, Melani, vs, Tony West in a battle of
the minds. After that, there will be a crank contest that will allow
the spectators vote on who has the most crank like answers to a series
of questions from Who killed JFK? to List the five most salient
down-sides of the building of the Panama Canal -- at the end the person
with the highest quizzo score and lowest crank score will be voted off
the island. The winner (with the highest intelligence and least
crank-like) will be appointed real community leader.

A part of the profits from spectator food and drink sales could be
donated to a local charity; once we all agree on a worthy one.



Well.OK. As long as the local charity is not one which is receiving
secret funding from Amy Gutmann's dark budget.

--
Ross Bender
http://rossbender.org

Re: [UC] Out of the Ivory Tower and Into the Streets

Let's up the stakes a wee bit and I'm in.  I'd also like a bottomless top 
shelf scotch glass.  Your treat.


All three participants take a pledge that if they lose they will never 
request leadership in a civic association for the remainder of their lives.


Let's give the proceeds to the whores, drug dealers and gang members at the 
drug infested Clark Park at the center of the West Philadelphia wasteland.


Wank, wank, wank...

Your pal,
Glenn

- Original Message - 
From: Kyle Cassidy [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: University City List UnivCity@list.purple.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 11:18 AM
Subject: RE: [UC] Out of the Ivory Tower and Into the Streets



Ross, I think the obvious way to settle this is a Cut-Throat Quizzo
Tournament at Abbraccio. Glenn, vs, Melani, vs, Tony West in a battle of
the minds. After that, there will be a crank contest that will allow
the spectators vote on who has the most crank like answers to a series
of questions from Who killed JFK? to List the five most salient
down-sides of the building of the Panama Canal -- at the end the person
with the highest quizzo score and lowest crank score will be voted off
the island. The winner (with the highest intelligence and least
crank-like) will be appointed real community leader.

A part of the profits from spectator food and drink sales could be
donated to a local charity; once we all agree on a worthy one.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ross Bender
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 10:52 AM
To: Glenn
Cc: University City List
Subject: Re: [UC] Out of the Ivory Tower and Into the Streets



On 6/12/07, Glenn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




Ask Tony and Melani if I captured the basic idea.  Those are the
types of community leaders Penn looks to use because of their
personality issues and limited intelligence.  Penn would not deal with
the real leaders among the people but sought to replace these folks with
the cranks.


Glenn, I was following you most of the way until you had to toss in the
gratuitous insults of Tony and Melani. Dude, there's really no need for
it. We all have our unique personality issues, including me, and
intelligence is a relative thing.

--
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http://rossbender.org


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[UC] bike theft sting operation

2007-06-12 Thread Jeremy Leipzig

i think we need to start a sting operation with the help of law  
enforcement and maybe a telemetry device. A nice bike locked up with  
a cable lock will be stolen eventually. Once you find where the thief  
is bringing the bikes the whole operation falls apart.



to add BRIEFLY to the question of bike theft - a friend lost a bike  
because she locked it to a signpost on the street - the thief  
actually unscrewed the sign, removed it from the post, and lifted  
the bike up and off ! (probably working from the bed of a pickup at  
night)


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of S. Sharrieff Ali
Sent: Tue 6/12/2007 10:59 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];  
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity@list.purple.com
Subject: RE: Warning : Damage to porch to Steal a bike and recent  
entry in the day


The real problem here is storing a bike on a porch. The answer is…


“JUST DON’T DO IT”.


Storing bikes on porches is just asking for trouble. If a thief  
sees a bike on a


porch not only will they attempt to steal the bike (and damage what  
ever it is chained to)


but also take a look in your windows to see what else is available.


I personally don’t believe window bars are necessary if you are  
doing some of the other


important anti-crime practices such as:


Trimming scrubs which block the pedestrian-way or porch-view.
Create well lit exteriors particularly installing porch lights.
Invest in a monitored alarm system for your home and display a sign  
or sticker.
Closing curtains when no one is at home or at night before you go  
to bed.
Not placing valuables in windows such as bikes or computers  
(laptops) etc.
Keeping a log of suspicious activity for your block and forwarding  
to the police.

Calling 911 when you see potentially dangerous things happening.

We need to be a bit smarter about crime  safety.


I have a block safety guide and a safety survey for distribution,  
just e-mail me off-list.



The keys are communicating with neighbors and the police about what  
is happening on your block.



S

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner- 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mariellen Smith

Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 10:25 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity@list.purple.com
Subject: Re: Warning : Damage to porch to Steal a bike and recent  
entry in the day



It always struck me as strange that all those really nice houses  
around Osage and Larchwood don't have bars on the windows. The  
people with the really nice homes would presumably also have some  
really nice stuff. And they are the only houses around without  
bars. If you were going to steal, where would you go? I know that  
area looks like a nice suburb, but people seem to have forgotten  
that they are still in the city. The bars are not that pretty, but  
there is a reason why most homes have them.


The rule of Philadelphia is, 'If it's not locked up or nailed down,  
somebody's going to take it. And even if it is, somebody's still  
going to try.' This is certainly true with bikes. When you bring a  
bike into this city, you should probably just reconcile yourself to  
the fact that you are really just renting it. I'm on bike # 2. Bike  
# 1 was stolen off my porch on 43rd and Larchwood. It's unfortunate  
and it's not right, but it's how it is. There are lots of good  
people and nice homes in this area, but you need to remember where  
you are. You still need to be vigilant about your self, your home,  
and your belongings.


On a side note, that thief seems really bad at what he does.  
Hopefully, he will get caught soon and no one will get hurt.


-Mariellen Smith

At 07:11 PM 6/11/2007, Vivianne T. Nachmias wrote:


and I am told by my husband that a house on 400 block of 47th St.  
was broken into (window, first floor) during the day. the  
burglar was seen by some  one and scared him away a member of  
the househo0ld was on the 3rd floor and did not hear the peerson so  
maybe it happened fasst.

do be sure windows are locked.
Vivianne
On Jun 11, 2007, at 2:43 PM, Elizabeth F Campion wrote:




I do not have all the details yet, but a bike was stolen from a  
porch on the 4700 block of Baltimore.

The wooden Porch Railing that it was chained to was severely damaged.

It seems clear that a serial thief is in our midst and we need to  
exercise greater precautions until the thief is caught and stopped  
(if necessary via lengthy detention).  I hope you and your property  
are and remain safe.



Meanwhile, this bike was the primary form of transportation for a  
eco-friendly, female grad student.
So if anyone has an obsoleted or extra bicycle that (must be  
functioning, or within just a few dollars of working) that they can  
donate (or sell cheaply) that could suit a young woman about 5'7  
tall, please let me know off list.



Other spare bikes, including kids bikes, helmets and parts, might  
be welcome donations at the

Re: [UC] Out of the Ivory Tower and Into the Streets


On 6/12/07, KAREN ALLEN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Penn/UCD badmouths this neighborhood to this day.  Penn still markets
itself
by exaggerating how  they singlehandedly waived their magic wand and
turned
this post industrial wasteland of ten years ago into the heaven-on-earth
we see now. And now, as Ross pointed out, they've even wrote a book about
it.  UCD still implies that without them, all that we now see is a mere
mirage that will disappear as if someone pulled the plug on the TV.




Ahem. This gives me a chance to point out that in fact *I* wrote the book
about it several years before Judy. Or at least the movie treatment. It can
be found, free, at:

http://rossbender.org/gentrification.html

My lawyers are just waiting to get a look at Judy's book to see how much she
plagiarized, and what we can get in damages.



--
Ross Bender
http://rossbender.org

RE: [UC] Out of the Ivory Tower and Into the Streets

DEAL! 

I will buy Glenn all the top shelf scotch he can drink during both the
Quizzo and Crank portions of the tournament.

Proceeds can be flung into the bowl, little kids will pick them up, but
the gang members will take it away.

 

-Original Message-
From: Glenn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 11:40 AM
To: Kyle Cassidy; University City List
Subject: Re: [UC] Out of the Ivory Tower and Into the Streets

Let's up the stakes a wee bit and I'm in.  I'd also like a bottomless
top shelf scotch glass.  Your treat.

All three participants take a pledge that if they lose they will never
request leadership in a civic association for the remainder of their
lives.

Let's give the proceeds to the whores, drug dealers and gang members at
the drug infested Clark Park at the center of the West Philadelphia
wasteland.

Wank, wank, wank...

Your pal,
Glenn

- Original Message -
From: Kyle Cassidy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: University City List UnivCity@list.purple.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 11:18 AM
Subject: RE: [UC] Out of the Ivory Tower and Into the Streets


 Ross, I think the obvious way to settle this is a Cut-Throat Quizzo
 Tournament at Abbraccio. Glenn, vs, Melani, vs, Tony West in a battle
of
 the minds. After that, there will be a crank contest that will allow
 the spectators vote on who has the most crank like answers to a
series
 of questions from Who killed JFK? to List the five most salient
 down-sides of the building of the Panama Canal -- at the end the
person
 with the highest quizzo score and lowest crank score will be voted off
 the island. The winner (with the highest intelligence and least
 crank-like) will be appointed real community leader.

 A part of the profits from spectator food and drink sales could be
 donated to a local charity; once we all agree on a worthy one.

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ross Bender
 Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 10:52 AM
 To: Glenn
 Cc: University City List
 Subject: Re: [UC] Out of the Ivory Tower and Into the Streets



 On 6/12/07, Glenn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




 Ask Tony and Melani if I captured the basic idea.  Those are the
 types of community leaders Penn looks to use because of their
 personality issues and limited intelligence.  Penn would not deal with
 the real leaders among the people but sought to replace these folks
with
 the cranks.


 Glenn, I was following you most of the way until you had to toss in
the
 gratuitous insults of Tony and Melani. Dude, there's really no need
for
 it. We all have our unique personality issues, including me, and
 intelligence is a relative thing.

 --
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Re: [UC] Lost cat -- 42ND AND SPRUCE

2007-06-12 Thread naomirie

FYI there are a number of similar looking outdoor cats in the area, so please 
check to see if there's the collar in question. One of them belongs to us, his 
name is Charlie, he lives on Regent Square, is very much an outdoor cat, and 
refuses to wear a collar (we gave up after 5 lost collars, and a neighbor 
insists she saw the cats and dogs helping each other out of the collars). He 
doesn't go further north than Chester Avenue, but if you happen to see a cat 
like him, please be cautious before you think it's this missing one. Charlie's 
very obviously a boy, so should be easy to distinguish from the missing girl 
cat.
I hope your cat comes home soon. I have often wondered if the Russian Blues or 
equivalent in the neighborhood near 42nd street are all related. Charlie was 
found abandoned in a cat carrier in the trash on a 100 degree day at the end of 
the school year in 1994. A neighbor heard a cat cry and tracked it down. Sigh.
Naomi Segal, Regent Square

From: Mike V. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 2007/06/11 Mon PM 05:34:35 CDT
To: UnivCity@list.purple.com
Subject: [UC] Lost cat -- 42ND AND SPRUCE

MessageForwarded for a friend, because she's having trouble sending 
listmail.Â  A picture of the cat in question can be found at 
http://flickr.com/photos/addien/281490969/Â - Mike V.Â -Original 
Message-
From: Jessica Haralson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Hi UC Listserv

Just wanted to reportÂ  a missing pet -- a gray, Russian-blue colored kitty 
wearing a flea collar who responds to the name Orchard. She was lost around 
42nd and Spruce and should stay pretty close to the area. She escaped from 322 
S 42nd around 4 PM and we are desperate to find her, so if you spot her please 
let me know! 

You can reach me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or 956.433.9985.

Thank you. 

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Re: [UC] FS: Casablanca ceiling fan

2007-06-12 Thread Cheryl Shipman


At 11:26 AM 6/12/2007 -0400, you wrote:


On 6/12/07, Cheryl Shipman 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



Can we all please remember Crossroads Music, which was at Calvary
Center before Curio (not that anyone is making comparisons.)  Ross
will remind you if you forget as that's where he developed his
undying love for Tuvan Throat Singers.


Speaking of the Tuvan Throat Singers, they're coming back, Monday, 
June 18, at 7pm to the Rotunda. Remember, though, that the Rotunda 
is TOTALLY controlled by Penn, whereas Crossroads Music is only a 
front group, if I have all my conspiracies and funding sources straight.



Well thank heavens.  I was afraid you'd miss a cue.  Save a waltz for 
me; I won't be selling tickets at this one.



Cheryl

(I know, take it culture, or to alt.fan.ross.bender.insanity)

Re: [UC] Out of the Ivory Tower and Into the Streets

Does Harmon have any decent scotch?  I hear that it's a hell hole up there 
around 47th St.  Could we do this at the Inn at Penn so I don't get shot?

Reyom Nnelg

- Original Message - 
From: Kyle Cassidy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Glenn [EMAIL PROTECTED]; University City List 
UnivCity@list.purple.com

Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 11:48 AM
Subject: RE: [UC] Out of the Ivory Tower and Into the Streets

DEAL!

I will buy Glenn all the top shelf scotch he can drink during both the
Quizzo and Crank portions of the tournament.

Proceeds can be flung into the bowl, little kids will pick them up, but
the gang members will take it away.

-Original Message-
From: Glenn [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 11:40 AM
To: Kyle Cassidy; University City List
Subject: Re: [UC] Out of the Ivory Tower and Into the Streets

Let's up the stakes a wee bit and I'm in.  I'd also like a bottomless
top shelf scotch glass.  Your treat.

All three participants take a pledge that if they lose they will never
request leadership in a civic association for the remainder of their
lives.

Let's give the proceeds to the whores, drug dealers and gang members at
the drug infested Clark Park at the center of the West Philadelphia
wasteland.

Wank, wank, wank...

Your pal,
Glenn

- Original Message -
From: Kyle Cassidy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: University City List UnivCity@list.purple.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 11:18 AM
Subject: RE: [UC] Out of the Ivory Tower and Into the Streets

Ross, I think the obvious way to settle this is a Cut-Throat Quizzo
Tournament at Abbraccio. Glenn, vs, Melani, vs, Tony West in a battle

of

the minds. After that, there will be a crank contest that will allow
the spectators vote on who has the most crank like answers to a

series

of questions from Who killed JFK? to List the five most salient
down-sides of the building of the Panama Canal -- at the end the

person

with the highest quizzo score and lowest crank score will be voted off
the island. The winner (with the highest intelligence and least
crank-like) will be appointed real community leader.

A part of the profits from spectator food and drink sales could be
donated to a local charity; once we all agree on a worthy one.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ross Bender
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 10:52 AM
To: Glenn
Cc: University City List
Subject: Re: [UC] Out of the Ivory Tower and Into the Streets

On 6/12/07, Glenn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Ask Tony and Melani if I captured the basic idea.  Those are the
types of community leaders Penn looks to use because of their
personality issues and limited intelligence.  Penn would not deal with
the real leaders among the people but sought to replace these folks

with

the cranks.

Glenn, I was following you most of the way until you had to toss in

the

gratuitous insults of Tony and Melani. Dude, there's really no need

for

it. We all have our unique personality issues, including me, and
intelligence is a relative thing.

--
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[UC] RE: Pentagon Confirms It Sought To Build A 'Gay Bomb'

2007-06-12 Thread KAREN ALLEN

I laughed my ass off at another one of Ross's brilliant satires!  Then I 
clicked on the link at the bottom of the post and realized:

 Oh,...it's real

From: Ross Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Ross Bender [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: University City List UnivCity@list.purple.com, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Subject: [Culture] Pentagon Confirms It Sought To Build A 'Gay Bomb'
Date: Mon, 11 Jun 2007 18:40:07 -0400

Pentagon Confirms It Sought To Build A 'Gay Bomb' [image: Image]

Hank Plante http://cbs5.com/bios/local_bio_287155916.html
Reporting

*(CBS 5)* *BERKELEY* A Berkeley watchdog organization that tracks military
spending said it uncovered a strange U.S. military proposal to create a
hormone bomb that could purportedly turn enemy soldiers into homosexuals 
and

make them more interested in sex than fighting.

Pentagon officials on Friday confirmed to CBS 5 that military leaders had
considered, and then subsquently rejected, building the so-called Gay
Bomb.

**
Edward Hammond, of Berkeley's Sunshine Project, had used the Freedom of
Information Act to obtain a copy of the proposal from the Air Force's 
Wright

Laboratory in Dayton, Ohio.

As part of a military effort to develop non-lethal weapons, the proposal
suggested, One distasteful but completely non-lethal example would be
strong aphrodisiacs, especially if the chemical also caused homosexual
behavior.

The documents show the Air Force lab asked for $7.5 million to develop such
a chemical weapon.

The Ohio Air Force lab proposed that a bomb be developed that contained a
chemical that would cause enemy soliders to become gay, and to have their
units break down because all their soldiers became irresistably attractive
to one another, Hammond said after reviwing the documents.

The notion was that a chemical that would probably be pleasant in the 
human

body in low quantities could be identified, and by virtue of either
breathing or having their skin exposed to this chemical, the notion was 
that

soliders would become gay, explained Hammond.

The Pentagon told CBS 5 that the proposal was made by the Air Force in 
1994.

The Department of Defense is committed to identifying, researching and
developing non-lethal weapons that will support our men and women in
uniform, said a DOD spokesperson, who indicated that the gay bomb idea
was quickly dismissed.

http://cbs5.com/topstories/local_story_159222541.html

--
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Re: [UC] Reality check

2007-06-12 Thread Elizabeth F Campion

I was also at the meeting.
I do not remember either side making many fact based declarative
statements.
But there were lots of distractions and I may have missed a few words.

I did not hear Lewis Wendell state either of:
John Fenton has NOT been fired or
John Fenton HAS been fired.
LW read a statement that referred to suspension pending an ongoing
internal investigation.
I believe most in the room hear it as some version of, UCD hopes John
resigns so that we won't have to fire him.

Several people referred to a Termination package which would allow John
to resign, and receive 6 months benefit.
I do not remember LW making any comments regarding this.
Such a package may be better than sending John back to work in a tainted
environment, but
maybe a better paradigm for all of us could be reached.
IF UCD and JF could achieve public and private accommodations, it could
catalyses work place toxins into useful compounds benefiting the people,
institutions and neighborhoods that are affected.  Such success could be
a model for others undergoing work place traumas.

I like Lewis Wendell, John Fenton and Councilwoman Jannie Blackwell.

Lewis is a good neighbor.
I have learned much from him, and in listening to him I have developed
more informed views of our neighborhood.
For me personally, he has been a voice for introspection and good.
I do not know how much of this brouhaha results from his decisions, but I
was sorry to see the Lord of the Flies attacks on his character.
Two wrongs do not make a right.

Jannie is a friend and hero.
She defied a Mayor and was arrested in the best of civil protests,
FEEDING THE HUNGRY.
Even those who did not agree with her methods were forced to think about
the problem and more viable solutions.
She is not perfect, no one is.
But I trust her heart, resilience and stamina.

John has been the type of guy we want to call family.
He has been helpful, accessible, cheery, accommodating and effective.
I do not know how well anyone's work would survive a rigid
investigation.
In my experience, speed and effectiveness can sometimes require corner
cutting and mutual back scratching.
I know I would not want my work life disrupted by internal or external
audit.
And I don't like the idea that everything he has done will be put under a
microscope based upon reaction to gossip and a news report which may pan
out to be little more than juicy hyperbole born of the creative whining
of a PENN miscreant.

IMHO, these three people are strong, effective, intelligent and grounded
in good will.
They could be powerful enemies or a magnificent force for good.
I hope they work out their differences and channel their abundant
energies and talents for good.


Several people accused another neighbor, someone not at the meeting, of
being the Machiavelli in this mess.
His thumbprint is on too many other projects, too lightly dismiss the
accusations.
But, I have no fact upon which to base my doubts and nothing concrete to
contribute regarding a solution.
The person, in question, makes many valuable contributions to our
community and puts his time, money and labor behind his ideas.
When his goals align with mine I am delighted with the good he does, when
they do not align, I feel outgunned.
He may be smarter, better trained, more energetic, and have more free
time, stamina and resources than I.


I do not know why my last message transmitted in Asian characters.
I was trying to say that I did not see Kathleen at the meeting.
And IMHO, it does not seem fair that folks who were unable or unwilling
to attend, should post assumptions about words that were or were not
spoken.  I heard the Councilwoman state unequivocally that it was a
community fair, with many components, but NOT a political rally.
She stated that Knox walked around the park for about 10 minutes and
that the fair ran All Day and separately gave times (which may have
been 9 AM-5 PM) that indicated Knox was present for only a fraction of
the days events.
If such is the case, Knox's presence seems little different than his
perambulation through the more upscale Party for the Park.
My point, is that once Jannie made her statement, any further forays down
a path toward termination, appear to be calling our Councilwoman a
liar.  Diplomacy and preservation of community bonds would both
recommend against such name calling.

John and Lewis are different types of people doing different types of
jobs.
John makes Lewis and UCD look good.
Lewis cleans up nice and can take UCD's successes, including John's
popularity, to the halls of power and the people with the big bucks.
One is the go to guy who gets the streets cleaned, the other handles
planning and development.
Together there is success, separated we've seen 3+ weeks of nasty
tension.

Sincerely,

Liz





On Fri, 8 Jun 2007 10:06:03 -0400 Anthony West [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Glenn's report is false. John Fenton has not been fired. His employer,
Lewis Wendell stated that clearly at the meeting

Re: [UC] Out of the Ivory Tower and Into the Streets

2007-06-12 Thread Hilary Bonta

That's funny, Ross, because a friend of mine was just telling me the 
complete opposite.


She's raising her kid here as well.  She babysat for me about a month ago 
and after taking my son to the tot lot was just amazed by the difference 
between now and 10 years ago.  She spoke at length about the great community 
of other families and caregivers here now.  When her son was little, she 
felt isolated and lonely as a stay-at-home Mom.  She hated taking her son to 
the turtle lot, where he eventually fell on the stone wall and had to get 
stitches, because she was alone for long stretches and there weren't many 
kids around for him to play with.


She said she might have had more kids if she were raising them in the 
current community.


Hilary Bonta



Funny. Maybe my memory is giving out, but I'm almost positive that my son,
born in 1987, spent a good portion of his tender years in that dangerous
drug-infested space, and as I recall, really enjoyed it. Not the drugs, but
the old low-rent playground in the north park, which, while certainly not 
as

fancy as the new playgrounds they've got in the south park these days,
provided lots of fun for a wee toddler. There was a low wall which he
enjoyed learning to walk on, an old fashioned slide, a couple of crude
dinosaurs, and the turtle. I spent about a year with him as a stay-at-home
dad, and remember meeting lots of other (friendly) parents and their
toddlers in Clark Park. Don't remember running into any whores, but maybe I
was just too naive to recognize them.





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[UC] Committee meeting on the 13th at Walnut West

2007-06-12 Thread Krfapt

Open note to Sharrieff:
 
Sorry that I have other commitments tomorrow night and can't make the  
meeting you've called at Walnut West Library.
 
In lieu of being there (and to stimulate dialog), I'd like to urge that the  
focus be strictly on problems of UCD as it's now being run and the  community. 
Things like transparency, decisions having to do with implementing  visions 
of planning and development that many stakeholders in the areas do  not share, 
the real or perceived usurping of what should be government  responsibilities 
with respect to security, litter abatement, events and  activities in public 
spaces, etc. Connected with these issues are questions  which should be on the 
minds of people from whom UCD solicits voluntary  contributions -- such as the 
cost-effectiveness of programs (litter and the  ambassadors cost over $1.4 
million each last year ... could this money  be spent with more impact through 
better management?) or through  expenditures that seem to serve no purpose 
except shameless self-promotion of  UCD (like the silly report card they just 
mailed out).
 
Likewise, there are issues to be discussed having to do with what Penn  
either naively or facetiously calls its partnership with the community. It  
ain't 
no partnership, regardless of what definition of that relationship some  Penn 
Trustee who drove all the way from DC for a First Thursday meeting tried to  
intimidate me by saying he could supply. All Penn does, really, is spend money 
 on local projects Glenn Bryan's boss thinks are terrific -- some on its 
own  and some by giving dough to people who will implement its agenda. This is 
no  partnership. For instance, how many of the immigrant merchants being kicked 
out  of 40th Street between Walnut and Market think that what's happening 
there is a  partnership?
 
If the question of a NID is ever to be resurrected, UCD (and Penn -- who  are 
clearly the driving force) would certainly have to be much more  of as 
opposed to simply in the community before it would have the foundation  to 
formulate such an initiative and surely before it could even pretend to  be 
suitable for serving as the NIDMA.
 
Well, you get the picture. Good luck with having something positive emerge  
from the meeting. And, if any Penn or UCD people attend, don't let them hijack  
it the way they did with the charades known as the 40th Street Forums.  

Always at  your service  ready for a dialog,
Al Krigman -- 36-year local resident,  housing provider, curmudgeon, and 
all-around  doubter.




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Re: [UC] Reality check

Yes Liz,

Lewis Wendell did not at any time, and my ears were focused, confirm or deny 
the account given by our Councilwoman, Jannie Blackwell.  He reread the 
statement, we've already seen.  Late in the meeting, he asserted that all civic 
associations have a community representative.  Other than that; his lips were 
sealed.

It was our Councilwoman Jannie Blackwell who reported to us about the forced 
resignation, the immediate changing of locks, the gag order (which I heard 
confirmed from a reporter sitting near me), and the six month severance 
package.  Of course the gag order would not be effective without the severance 
package.

Councilwoman Blackwell also indicated that Paul Levy of the center city 
district and a community representative were involved in the decision to 
treat Mr. Fenton in this way.  The name of the community representative 
happened to be my representative from the Spruce Hill area. 

I'd like to also confirm your report of Councilwoman Blackwell's denial of 
wrongdoing.  She told us she was at this rally for a very short time during a 
long day.  Not having personal knowledge about the set-up process of the 
reported event is highly believable.  Others on the list have turned this UCD 
long term policy failure into an assault on our Councilwoman's ethics. 

 Even before the Thursday meeting from the reports, it was obvious that it was 
a short stop for her on a long day.  Examining the UCD policies and procedures 
is what is indicated after this event; not trying to make Mr. Fenton a 
scapegoat and unfairly accusing the Councilwoman of intentional wrongdoing.  
Both of those directions are mean and should be exposed for what these are. 

My point, is that once Jannie made her statement, any further forays down a 
path toward termination, appear to be calling our Councilwoman a liar.

Liz, one civic association leader on this list called my careful report about 
Councilwoman Blackwell's account false. He then asserted that Mr. Lewis Wendell 
clarified that the report we all heard from our city Councilwoman, Jannie 
Blackwell, was false.  That leader with that post was absolutely indicating 
that our city Councilwoman Jannie Blackwell was a liar, and he offered no 
support to contradict either her account or my report except to assert that Mr. 
Wendell clearly clarified a different truth.  Those of us in attendance know 
that Mr. Wendell clarified nothing but instead asserted the existance of an 
internal investigation.  

This is a very serious matter, spreading false information and making false 
accusations publicly, while representing a community civic association.  I've 
requested that the civic association remove this leader from the association 
but I have gotten no response.  The individual said what he said, and he 
identified himself as a representative of the association at the Thursday 
meeting.

I want to thank you for helping to confirm the reports about the meeting and 
what our Councilwoman told us about the outrageous treatment of Mr. Fenton.  
It's personally good to receive corroboration of the basic facts after being 
called a liar.  I've been called a liar so often.  But by the reaction of the 
list, my report of the meeting appeared to be the account generally believed.  
It still feels better that my report was confirmed.

Spreading misinformation, demanding secrecy and power, etc. are the roots of 
what you call nasty tension.  It doesn't matter if its individuals on a 
listserv or a powerful organization like UCD engaging in this.  Sometimes, I 
think the folks who have been asking for clarification and answers are the 
people being blamed for the nasty tension.  

As I said  at the end of the meeting to Mr. Bryan, the fighting is inevitable 
when those in power refuse transparency, accountability, and then engage in 
extremely questionable activities.  It is the failed process that causes the 
nastiness.  I know that I'm a nice person too, but I've been treated with 
incredible nastiness in this failed UCD process.

I'm curious, had you heard about the UCD requirement that Karen shared with the 
list?  The need for the associations to send 3 choices to UCD to receive a UCD 
board rep.  I thought I knew a lot about UCD, but I completely missed that one 
until Karen shared the story.

Thanks again,

Sincerely,
Glenn. 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Elizabeth F Campion 
  To: UnivCity@list.purple.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 12:14 PM
  Subject: Re: [UC] Reality check


  I was also at the meeting.
  I do not remember either side making many fact based declarative statements.
  But there were lots of distractions and I may have missed a few words.

  I did not hear Lewis Wendell state either of:
  John Fenton has NOT been fired or
  John Fenton HAS been fired.
  LW read a statement that referred to suspension pending an ongoing 
internal investigation.
  I believe most in the room hear it as some version of, UCD hopes John

RE: [UC] Reality check

Not having been to the meeting, I'd like to ask those who were -- in
light of the Councilwoman's testimony, does it appear that no crime was
comitted? That John Fenton and his crew were in fact, not setting up a
political rally, and the students were either exaggerating or confused? 

I see Glenn's account here as a reasonable possiblity.

And I can see UCD having a freakout if an exaggerated or mis-aimed story
hit the newspaper and jeapordized their 501c status.

I, like most other people, find it difficult to believe that John Fenton
does anything other than lay golden eggs wherever he goes, and I can't
see him intentionally doing something illegal.

kc

-
Even before the Thursday meeting from the reports, it was obvious that
it was a short stop for her on a long day.  Examining the UCD policies
and procedures is what is indicated after this event; not trying to make
Mr. Fenton a scapegoat and unfairly accusing the Councilwoman of
intentional wrongdoing.  Both of those directions are mean and should be
exposed for what these are. 


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RE: [UC] Committee meeting on the 13th at Walnut West

Al and All:
 
I do have an agenda and direction in mind for tomorrow.
 
This is a committee meeting for those who already joined
and those who want to join. I plan to assist in creating a 
process.
 
All are welcomed to hear what is happening, but we will 
conduct a committee meeting. Those who are interested in 
participating in the committee will be heard and have an 
opportunity to participate in making decisions about where 
we go from here.
 
The idea of the stakeholders owning the process is not about
having an endless gripe session which is why the committee
meeting will be limited to 1 ½ hours..2 at tops and the library 
will close at 8PM.
 
Al, your comments are most appreciated.
 
S
 
 
 
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Subject: [UC] Committee meeting on the 13th at Walnut West
 
Open note to Sharrieff:
 
Sorry that I have other commitments tomorrow night and can't make the
meeting you've called at Walnut West Library.
 
In lieu of being there (and to stimulate dialog), I'd like to urge that
the focus be strictly on problems of UCD as it's now being run and the
community. Things like transparency, decisions having to do with
implementing visions of planning and development that many stakeholders
in the areas do not share, the real or perceived usurping of what should
be government responsibilities with respect to security, litter
abatement, events and activities in public spaces, etc. Connected with
these issues are questions which should be on the minds of people from
whom UCD solicits voluntary contributions -- such as the
cost-effectiveness of programs (litter and the ambassadors cost over
$1.4 million each last year ... could this money be spent with more
impact through better management?) or through expenditures that seem to
serve no purpose except shameless self-promotion of UCD (like the silly
report card they just mailed out).
 
Likewise, there are issues to be discussed having to do with what Penn
either naively or facetiously calls its partnership with the
community. It ain't no partnership, regardless of what definition of
that relationship some Penn Trustee who drove all the way from DC for a
First Thursday meeting tried to intimidate me by saying he could supply.
All Penn does, really, is spend money on local projects Glenn Bryan's
boss thinks are terrific -- some on its own and some by giving dough
to people who will implement its agenda. This is no partnership. For
instance, how many of the immigrant merchants being kicked out of 40th
Street between Walnut and Market think that what's happening there is a
partnership?
 
If the question of a NID is ever to be resurrected, UCD (and Penn -- who
are clearly the driving force) would certainly have to be much more of
as opposed to simply in the community before it would have the
foundation to formulate such an initiative and surely before it could
even pretend to be suitable for serving as the NIDMA.
 
Well, you get the picture. Good luck with having something positive
emerge from the meeting. And, if any Penn or UCD people attend, don't
let them hijack it the way they did with the charades known as the 40th
Street Forums. 
 
Always at your service  ready for a dialog,
Al Krigman -- 36-year local resident, housing provider, curmudgeon, and
all-around doubter.



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Re: [UC] Planning Committee Meeting RE: UCD

Sharrieff,

Do you have an agenda for tomorrows meeting?  I thought Al had some good ideas 
about the need for a clear focus.  Is the idea to discuss the focus and then 
suggested format for the forum?

I was glad you made the motion to do this forum.  I was even more happy when 
the UC Review volunteered to take the lead.  It is so vital that this meeting 
be perceived as fair and impartial. A journalism organization becomes the best 
possible choice to conduct the actual meeting and will also allow for the best 
announcing to the community.  Will someone be attending tomorrow?
 
I thought it was cool when you called for Lewis's resignation.  You and I 
probably stick out as the two people that certainly can not moderate such an 
open community meeting.  No matter what we did, the perception would be that it 
would not be fair and I think that would lead to poor attendance at this very 
importan time.

I'm not sure if I can come tomorrow but I agree that the focus needs to be 
clear and stay focused on issues such as accountability, transparency, and the 
claim of community partnership.  We need to review the conduct of UCD history 
and their long term policies and procedures.  I want answers about 
representation and inclusiveness and how UCD can justify hand picking all 
committees and community representatives and call that partnership? 

I'd like that list of principals Ray has published to be addressed as well.  
I'd like to get responses to each of those from UCD or get a refusal to do so. 

 In my opinion, that is the discussion the community needs to have with UCD.  
The format becomes very important with these meetings in order to stick to the 
focus that we will want to publish when the meeting is announced.

Thanks,
Glenn


  - Original Message - 
  From: S. Sharrieff Ali 
  To: univcity@list.purple.com 
  Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 1:40 PM
  Subject: [UC] Planning Committee Meeting RE: UCD


  Planning Committee Meeting RE: UCD

   

   

  Date:  Wednesday June 13th 2007

   

  Time: 6PM

   

  Location: Walnut West Library Community Room 40th and Walnut Street

   

  Duration: 1 ½ hours

   

  Agenda: Hear from community stakeholders RE: UCD, plan a process 

   

  Attendees: Current Committee and New Members

   

  OPEN TO PUBLIC

   

   

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[UC] Romance is not dead in the hood!

Walking up to my house I discovered a young man standing in my front
yard, ripping the last of the roses from my rose bush and handing them
down to a young lady on the sidewalk. 

Would you like a pair of scissors? I asked.

No thanks, he said, We've got them all.

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RE: [UC] Planning Committee Meeting RE: UCD

Glenn, speak for yourself when it comes to everything!   ;-)
 
I dont agree the best possible choice to take the lead of an actual
meeting 
would be a journalism organization. I dont particularly find your
comments flattering
to me or the rest of the stakeholders who volunteered. The committee
meeting will
be actual, legitimate, and responsible in its process.
 
As usual. you are being provocative. Lets keep it simple for now.
 
The UC-Review volunteered to assist the community with a meeting after
the entire room
of stakeholders voted and thought it made sense for the community to
own the process, 
hopefully assisting us by moderating a forum or giving publicity will
not mean supplanting 
our voices in the direction of the effort.
 
I will be looking in the UC-Review tomorrow to read how the meeting was
reported as an 
indicator.
 
I think it is a good idea for the UC-Review to assist the community in
any way possible,
particularly from the publicity side but we have many options outside of
any newspaper.
I am curious to hear what everyone has to say tomorrow.
 
Again, we are just starting to turn the wheels, I have heard all the
comments thus far
from the listserv members, many..who for whatever..reason cant make it
to the meeting
tomorrow.
 
 
S
 
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glenn
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 2:55 PM
To: S. Sharrieff Ali; univcity@list.purple.com
Subject: Re: [UC] Planning Committee Meeting RE: UCD
 
Sharrieff,
 
Do you have an agenda for tomorrows meeting?  I thought Al had some good
ideas about the need for a clear focus.  Is the idea to discuss the
focus and then suggested format for the forum?
 
I was glad you made the motion to do this forum.  I was even more happy
when the UC Review volunteered to take the lead.  It is so vital that
this meeting be perceived as fair and impartial. A journalism
organization becomes the best possible choice to conduct the actual
meeting and will also allow for the best announcing to the community.
Will someone be attending tomorrow?
 
I thought it was cool when you called for Lewis's resignation.  You and
I probably stick out as the two people that certainly can not moderate
such an open community meeting.  No matter what we did, the perception
would be that it would not be fair and I think that would lead to poor
attendance at this very importan time.
 
I'm not sure if I can come tomorrow but I agree that the focus needs to
be clear and stay focused on issues such as accountability,
transparency, and the claim of community partnership.  We need to review
the conduct of UCD history and their long term policies and procedures.
I want answers about representation and inclusiveness and how UCD can
justify hand picking all committees and community representatives and
call that partnership? 
 
I'd like that list of principals Ray has published to be addressed as
well.  I'd like to get responses to each of those from UCD or get a
refusal to do so. 
 
 In my opinion, that is the discussion the community needs to have with
UCD.  The format becomes very important with these meetings in order to
stick to the focus that we will want to publish when the meeting is
announced.
 
Thanks,
Glenn
 
 
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To: univcity@list.purple.com 
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 1:40 PM
Subject: [UC] Planning Committee Meeting RE: UCD
 
Planning Committee Meeting RE: UCD
 
 
Date:  Wednesday June 13th 2007
 
Time: 6PM
 
Location: Walnut West Library Community Room 40th and Walnut Street
 
Duration: 1 ½ hours
 
Agenda: Hear from community stakeholders RE: UCD, plan a process 
 
Attendees: Current Committee and New Members
 
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Re: [UC] Out of the Ivory Tower and Into the Streets

2007-06-12 Thread Elizabeth F Campion


My daughter, born in 1986 and my son, born in 1991 spent much of their
free time in the park, in the bad old days.
They seem well begun.
Katie is a rising Senior at PENN.
Michael is a rising junior at West Catholic.
Much is in perception.
In 1986 there seemed to be fewer 'white' toddlers.
But the toddlers we met weren't crack heads, and the parents who cared
enough to take their kids to the park didn't seem particularly
maladjusted.
If I think back 10 years, the Youth Soccer Program were already in full
Saturday swing, and many of my friends had toddlers using the park.

I've always considered it a socializing gift of the 'hood that my kids
had to learn early to respect and embrace class, income and social
differences.  I don't want us to become a more homogenized extension of
the PENN brand.  I believe you (HB) feel the same way.

Maybe your friend was new to mothering or new to the neighborhood, and
the way she is and the way we are is just more comfortable for her now. 
I can't speak for her perceptions.  

It may be that clean ups improve perception by eliminating cumulative
deposits of evidence.
For me, the biggest changes to Clark Park have been in the maintenance.
I am delighted that trash is removed more frequently.
I am grateful to all who've helped with these improvements, from the
youngest volunteers through to the major institutions and including UCD.

Best!
Liz


On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 13:14:27 -0400 Hilary Bonta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
 That's funny, Ross, because a friend of mine was just telling me the 
 
 complete opposite.
 
 She's raising her kid here as well.  She babysat for me about a 
 month ago 
 and after taking my son to the tot lot was just amazed by the 
 difference 
 between now and 10 years ago.  She spoke at length about the great 
 community 
 of other families and caregivers here now.  When her son was little, 
 she 
 felt isolated and lonely as a stay-at-home Mom.  She hated taking 
 her son to 
 the turtle lot, where he eventually fell on the stone wall and had 
 to get 
 stitches, because she was alone for long stretches and there weren't 
 many 
 kids around for him to play with.
 
 She said she might have had more kids if she were raising them in 
 the 
 current community.
 
 Hilary Bonta
 
 
 Funny. Maybe my memory is giving out, but I'm almost positive that 
 my son,
 born in 1987, spent a good portion of his tender years in that 
 dangerous
 drug-infested space, and as I recall, really enjoyed it. Not the 
 drugs, but
 the old low-rent playground in the north park, which, while 
 certainly not 
 as
 fancy as the new playgrounds they've got in the south park these 
 days,
 provided lots of fun for a wee toddler. There was a low wall which 
 he
 enjoyed learning to walk on, an old fashioned slide, a couple of 
 crude
 dinosaurs, and the turtle. I spent about a year with him as a 
 stay-at-home
 dad, and remember meeting lots of other (friendly) parents and 
 their
 toddlers in Clark Park. Don't remember running into any whores, but 
 maybe I
 was just too naive to recognize them.

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Re: [UC] Reality check

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From: Kyle Cassidy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Glenn [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Elizabeth F Campion 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]; UnivCity@list.purple.com

Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 2:46 PM
Subject: RE: [UC] Reality check

Not having been to the meeting, I'd like to ask those who were -- in
light of the Councilwoman's testimony, does it appear that no crime was
comitted? That John Fenton and his crew were in fact, not setting up a
political rally, and the students were either exaggerating or confused?

I see Glenn's account here as a reasonable possiblity.

Kyle, I don't believe anyone ever claimed a crime had been committed.  The 
UCD action, participating in political activity, violated IRS laws.  These 
are real laws but a violation of these would probably not be considered to 
be a criminal action by any of the known individuals in this occurence.

But I don't think the students accounts are refuted by the Councilwoman's 
beliefs about the event or her denial of wrongdoing.  Councilwoman Blackwell 
was only there a short time and it seems very unlikely she would have been 
heavily involved in organizing these events.  Her personal claim of not 
knowing about any inappropriate or illegal activity seems very believable so 
I can certainly take her at her word.  We have no idea who gave the orders 
to break out the Knox stuff and if that person should be held more 
accountable or also made a simple mistake.

From my experiences with UCD, I've suspected and openly asserted on the 
listserv that I believe John Fenton was never provided appropriate 
guidelines in several areas.  I worked with John when I was organizer of the 
Clark Park festivals.  He's a great guy and I don't believe he would do 
anything intentionally wrong.

If I remember correctly, John had a background in security.  UCD wants to be 
involved with community court, homeless outreach and has this special 
service policy.  In all of these areas, it was the responsibility of Mr. 
Fenton's superiors and the board to provide him with clear written 
guidelines.  Does UCD have a social worker to advise John on the issues of 
handeling community court or homeless outreach?

Do you see why UCD needed to immediately provide these guidlines at the very 
beginning of this internal investigation?  At the meeting, I said something 
like; it's outrageous for UCD to treat Mr. Fenton like this when they 
haven't released the policy guidlines he was operating under.  Is it fair of 
UCD to place this responsibility on Mr. Fenton without guidlines that would 
have prevented the occurence?

John probably should have caught the error since it was a matter of law, 
but I hold his superiors responsible until they show that they had clear 
guidlines on the special favors he was told to do.  You see, with this right 
to secrecy demanded by UCD throughout their history, we never can do 
anything but speculate and go by past experience.  The Penn people are not 
that dumb and if this was all John's fault, there would have been clear 
written guidlines posted on the web site before the announcement of an 
investigation and suspension was made.

UCD is screwing John because the big shots never designed UCD as an 
accountable special service organization.  You've seen me call the special 
favor policy, cronyism, and that was highly unfair to John.  Now that the 
shit hits the fan, a disreputable organization like UCD pins everything on 
one person.  As Councilwoman Blackwell said, this is wrong wrong wrong.

I hope you better understand my critiicism of the UCD cover-up while 
defending John and Councilwoman Blackwell?  Not publishing clear written 
guidlines cannot be justified in light of Mr. Fenton's treatment if UCD 
wants any respect as a responsible trustworthy agency.  I personally think 
some people made some mistakes without malice which led to this scandal.

But it is perfectly reasonable of curmudgeons like me to demand the 
guidlines and a real investigation so that we can find out what else is 
going on.  UCD has been operating like this in our community for years. 
That needs to stop and this incident shows that.

And I can see UCD having a freakout if an exaggerated or mis-aimed story
hit the newspaper and jeapordized their 501c status.

I, like most other people, find it difficult to believe that John Fenton
does anything other than lay golden eggs wherever he goes, and I can't
see him intentionally doing something illegal.

kc

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Even before the Thursday meeting from the reports, it was obvious that
it was a short stop for her on a long day.  Examining the UCD policies
and procedures is what is indicated after this event; not trying to make
Mr. Fenton a scapegoat and unfairly accusing the Councilwoman of
intentional wrongdoing.  Both of those directions are mean and should be
exposed for what these are.

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Re: [UC] Planning Committee Meeting RE: UCD

Sharrieff,

Please remove my name from the list of your committee.  I will not be 
participating.

I'm sorry you embraced this idea that I brought to your Spruce hill 
neighborhood alliance all those years ago.  What you are doing is nothing like 
the idea I promoted and you two rejected.  

I'd like to see the community own the process of a community meeting, not you.  
I wasn't being provocative I was being sincere.  Our community newspaper 
volunteered to do their job at this important time for our neighborhood.  We 
should appreciate them and not try to read as an indicator  They have always 
published different sides when issues arrived. 

I will be looking in the UC-Review tomorrow to read how the meeting was 
reported as an 

indicator.


I find that statement distasteful and an indication of how your meeting would 
move forward.

Their very profession demands certain standards that make them a very very good 
choice to be involved,  Don't tell me that because several of us signed a 
contact sheet that we chose you as our community leader.  We have gotten that 
enough. 

And if I am interpreting this message correctly, you didn't thank the Review 
and invite them to your meeting.  I signed the contact list and you never asked 
me if I could even attend tomorrow. Since I'm on this committee, I find that 
interesting.  Is that an indication of the involvement of the other 
stakeholders of which you speak?

Very disappointed,
Glenn Moyer
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  From: S. Sharrieff Ali 
  To: 'Glenn' ; univcity@list.purple.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 3:44 PM
  Subject: RE: [UC] Planning Committee Meeting RE: UCD


  Glenn, speak for yourself when it comes to everything!   ;-)

   

  I don't agree the best possible choice to take the lead of an actual 
meeting 

  would be a journalism organization. I don't particularly find your comments 
flattering

  to me or the rest of the stakeholders who volunteered. The committee meeting 
will

  be actual, legitimate, and responsible in it's process.

   

  As usual. you are being provocative. Lets keep it simple for now.

   

  The UC-Review volunteered to assist the community with a meeting after the 
entire room

  of stakeholders voted and thought it made sense for the community to own 
the process, 

  hopefully assisting us by moderating a forum or giving publicity will not 
mean supplanting 

  our voices in the direction of the effort.

   

  I will be looking in the UC-Review tomorrow to read how the meeting was 
reported as an 

  indicator.

   

  I think it is a good idea for the UC-Review to assist the community in any 
way possible,

  particularly from the publicity side but we have many options outside of any 
newspaper.

  I am curious to hear what everyone has to say tomorrow.

   

  Again, we are just starting to turn the wheels, I have heard all the comments 
thus far

  from the listserv members, many..who for whatever..reason can't make it to 
the meeting

  tomorrow.

   

   

  S

   

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  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glenn
  Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 2:55 PM
  To: S. Sharrieff Ali; univcity@list.purple.com
  Subject: Re: [UC] Planning Committee Meeting RE: UCD

   

  Sharrieff,

   

  Do you have an agenda for tomorrows meeting?  I thought Al had some good 
ideas about the need for a clear focus.  Is the idea to discuss the focus and 
then suggested format for the forum?

   

  I was glad you made the motion to do this forum.  I was even more happy when 
the UC Review volunteered to take the lead.  It is so vital that this meeting 
be perceived as fair and impartial. A journalism organization becomes the best 
possible choice to conduct the actual meeting and will also allow for the best 
announcing to the community.  Will someone be attending tomorrow?

   

  I thought it was cool when you called for Lewis's resignation.  You and I 
probably stick out as the two people that certainly can not moderate such an 
open community meeting.  No matter what we did, the perception would be that it 
would not be fair and I think that would lead to poor attendance at this very 
importan time.

   

  I'm not sure if I can come tomorrow but I agree that the focus needs to be 
clear and stay focused on issues such as accountability, transparency, and the 
claim of community partnership.  We need to review the conduct of UCD history 
and their long term policies and procedures.  I want answers about 
representation and inclusiveness and how UCD can justify hand picking all 
committees and community representatives and call that partnership? 

   

  I'd like that list of principals Ray has published to be addressed as well.  
I'd like to get responses to each of those from UCD or get a refusal to do so. 

   

   In my opinion, that is the discussion the community needs to have with UCD.  
The format becomes very important with these meetings in order to stick

Re: [UC] FS: Casablanca ceiling fan

2007-06-12 Thread UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN


Cheryl Shipman wrote:
Can we all please remember Crossroads Music, which was at Calvary Center 
before Curio (not that anyone is making comparisons.)  Ross will remind 
you if you forget as that's where he developed his undying love for 
Tuvan Throat Singers.



yes, it's well known calvary center was a community hub. 
richard kirk reminded us of that when he wrote to our local 
newspaper telling us how much we owe to ucd.




As far as I know, Andrew Zitcer has no involvement with Crossroads, 
although he's a sweet guy.


it's too bad his personality isn't mentioned in the city 
paper piece he wrote. the only thing that article attached 
to his byline was


  Andrew Zitcer is an urban planner and arts advocate.

-- nothing about his association with calvary, nothing about 
his job with penn's facilities and real estate services as 
cultural asset manager...



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[UC] Rental car company?

2007-06-12 Thread John Ellingsworth


Anyone have any experiences with local rental car agencies, good or bad?

[Off-list replies would be fine, although on might be a new distraction.]

Thanks in advance.

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[UC] exterminator

2007-06-12 Thread S. Scheckter


hey, all,

my tenant just informed me she's having mouse problems. i'm sure it's 
because of the rain, but can someone recommend a good, affordable 
exterminator?


i tried to search the UC list archives but just got error messages.

thanks so much,
sarah

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Re: [UC] Out of the Ivory Tower and Into the Streets

2007-06-12 Thread UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN


Ross Bender wrote:
What really bugs me about her razzamatazz is the fact that while I've 
lived here 22 years as of June 2, I didn't notice any sudden magical 
transformation when she blew into town. As other long and longer-term 
residents have been witnessing on this list, this has always been a 
pretty fine place to live, and lots of people have made it that way. A 
million-dollar flackette waving her wand and puffing herself apparently 
has made a big impression on some gullible folks, but I just don't see 
it that way.



KAREN ALLEN wrote:
Penn/UCD badmouths this neighborhood to this day.  Penn still markets 
itself by exaggerating how  they singlehandedly waived their magic wand 
and turned this post industrial wasteland of ten years ago into the 
heaven-on-earth we see now. And now, as Ross pointed out, they've even 
wrote a book about it.  UCD still implies that without them, all that we 
now see is a mere mirage that will disappear as if someone pulled the 
plug on the TV.


As if the neighborhood was a mere abandoned shell, or worse, were full 
of residents who were too lazy, or stupid, or both, to do anything about 
the horrible conditions without the all-knowing Penn there to ride in 
and rescue everyone. And as if the same economic changes were not 
happening in places that did not have Penn's beneficence bestowed upon 
them.





amen and amen.

the whole premise of 'out of the ivory tower and into the 
streets' is that there's a 'crisis' on the streets. but it 
seems that those in the ivory tower who get to name and 
solve this 'crisis' don't really get out of the ivory tower:


http://www.upenn.edu/penniur/about_mission.shtml


btw the other week at clark park I spotted a used condom, 
right under a farmers market table. what those farmers must 
think of us!




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Re: [UC] Romance is not dead in the hood!

2007-06-12 Thread UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN


Karen Heenan wrote:
Been there, done that.  I've always had people picking roses off my 
front fence, though last summer I had a first -- a young man rang my 
doorbell at around 7:00 p.m., asking if I would cut a few roses for 
him.  Apparently he was late for his (first) date and wanted to try to 
make up for his lateness by giving her flowers.


At least he asked.




Kyle Cassidy wrote:

Walking up to my house I discovered a young man standing in my front
yard, ripping the last of the roses from my rose bush and handing them
down to a young lady on the sidewalk.

Would you like a pair of scissors? I asked.

No thanks, he said, We've got them all.

Young love!




for kyle, karen -- and anyone else who likes roses:

   http://tinyurl.com/melev



my compliments,


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RE: [UC] exterminator

Yes...my neighbor has a cat for adoption..if interested
let me know and I will put the two of you together.

No joke!

S

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Subject: [UC] exterminator

hey, all,

my tenant just informed me she's having mouse problems. i'm sure it's 
because of the rain, but can someone recommend a good, affordable 
exterminator?

i tried to search the UC list archives but just got error messages.

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Re: [UC] Reality check

Liz,

Perhaps you have been self-employed so long, you don't know what it means to be 
fired. I am an employee. I have been an employee for most of the last 30 
years. Let me explain to you how it works.

If Councilwoman Blackwell says one of her own employees was fired -- that 
employee was fired. If she says somebody else's employee was fired -- that is 
not official information and it is trumped by the statement of that employee's 
real employer.

If Councilwoman Blackwell says I am fired, that means nothing. If the President 
or the Pope says I am fired, that means nothing. If you or Glenn says I am 
fired, that means nothing. If a straw poll of UC-list says I am fired, that 
means nothing. If my boss says I am fired, that means I am fired.

AQt last Thursday's meeting, 70 witnesses heard John Fenton's boss say Fenton 
is on paid administrative leave. You cannot be on paid administrative leave AND 
fired at the same time; they are mutually contradictory conditions. Therefore, 
Fenton hasn't been fired. His job might be in all sorts of peril, but he is not 
fired. This is a common possibility of real life, for most real employees.

So Fenton isn't fired, as of today. You were at that meeting and you heard 
Wendell restate Fenton has not been fired. So there you are.

-- Tony West
  - Original Message - 
  From: Elizabeth F Campion 
  To: UnivCity@list.purple.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 12:14 PM
  Subject: Re: [UC] Reality check


  I was also at the meeting.
  I do not remember either side making many fact based declarative statements.
  But there were lots of distractions and I may have missed a few words.

  I did not hear Lewis Wendell state either of:
  John Fenton has NOT been fired or
  John Fenton HAS been fired.
  LW read a statement that referred to suspension pending an ongoing 
internal investigation.
  I believe most in the room hear it as some version of, UCD hopes John 
resigns so that we won't have to fire him.

  Several people referred to a Termination package which would allow John to 
resign, and receive 6 months benefit.
  I do not remember LW making any comments regarding this.
  Such a package may be better than sending John back to work in a tainted 
environment, but
  maybe a better paradigm for all of us could be reached.
  IF UCD and JF could achieve public and private accommodations, it could 
catalyses work place toxins into useful compounds benefiting the people, 
institutions and neighborhoods that are affected.  Such success could be a 
model for others undergoing work place traumas.

  I like Lewis Wendell, John Fenton and Councilwoman Jannie Blackwell.

  Lewis is a good neighbor.
  I have learned much from him, and in listening to him I have developed more 
informed views of our neighborhood.
  For me personally, he has been a voice for introspection and good.
  I do not know how much of this brouhaha results from his decisions, but I was 
sorry to see the Lord of the Flies attacks on his character.
  Two wrongs do not make a right.

  Jannie is a friend and hero.
  She defied a Mayor and was arrested in the best of civil protests, FEEDING 
THE HUNGRY.
  Even those who did not agree with her methods were forced to think about the 
problem and more viable solutions.
  She is not perfect, no one is.
  But I trust her heart, resilience and stamina.

  John has been the type of guy we want to call family.
  He has been helpful, accessible, cheery, accommodating and effective.
  I do not know how well anyone's work would survive a rigid investigation.
  In my experience, speed and effectiveness can sometimes require corner 
cutting and mutual back scratching.
  I know I would not want my work life disrupted by internal or external audit.
  And I don't like the idea that everything he has done will be put under a 
microscope based upon reaction to gossip and a news report which may pan out to 
be little more than juicy hyperbole born of the creative whining of a PENN 
miscreant.

  IMHO, these three people are strong, effective, intelligent and grounded in 
good will.
  They could be powerful enemies or a magnificent force for good.
  I hope they work out their differences and channel their abundant energies 
and talents for good.


  Several people accused another neighbor, someone not at the meeting, of being 
the Machiavelli in this mess.
  His thumbprint is on too many other projects, too lightly dismiss the 
accusations.
  But, I have no fact upon which to base my doubts and nothing concrete to 
contribute regarding a solution.
  The person, in question, makes many valuable contributions to our community 
and puts his time, money and labor behind his ideas.
  When his goals align with mine I am delighted with the good he does, when 
they do not align, I feel outgunned.
  He may be smarter, better trained, more energetic, and have more free time, 
stamina and resources than I.


  I do not know why my last message transmitted in Asian

Re: [UC] exterminator

2007-06-12 Thread Jon Moore

I'll second the request for an exterminator recommendation, although we 
have insect problems, not mouse problems.


Jon

S. Scheckter wrote:

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my tenant just informed me she's having mouse problems. i'm sure it's 
because of the rain, but can someone recommend a good, affordable 
exterminator?


i tried to search the UC list archives but just got error messages.

thanks so much,
sarah

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Re: [UC] Out of the Ivory Tower and Into the Streets

There's no question there are more tots on the ground today than there were 
10 years ago, when my son was 4. I was no parental expert when the venerable 
Ross was rearing up his Mennonling along the old stone wall in the North 
Park. But it seemed to my eye children were few and far between in my part 
of the 'hood in 87 and in '77. And census data I studied for 1990 and 2000 
suggested University City was below the national average in the proportion 
of children to its population.


We don't have detailed census estimates for 2007. But I can report one 
thing: Last year, Friends of Clark Park introduced a new Extra-Small t-shirt 
size (2-4). There had never been a demand for this size in the previous 30 
years. They were an experiment. They're flying, though! The Membership 
Committee can't keep them in stock.


-- Tony West


- Original Message - 
From: Hilary Bonta [EMAIL PROTECTED]
That's funny, Ross, because a friend of mine was just telling me the 
complete opposite.


She's raising her kid here as well.  She babysat for me about a month ago 
and after taking my son to the tot lot was just amazed by the difference 
between now and 10 years ago.  She spoke at length about the great 
community of other families and caregivers here now.  When her son was 
little, she felt isolated and lonely as a stay-at-home Mom.  She hated 
taking her son to the turtle lot, where he eventually fell on the stone 
wall and had to get stitches, because she was alone for long stretches and 
there weren't many kids around for him to play with.


She said she might have had more kids if she were raising them in the 
current community.




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Re: [UC] FS: Casablanca ceiling fan

So what's your point, Ray? In your own numerous posts, you never mention 
your job with Penn either. I don't see why Zitcer should be expected to be 
any more forthcoming about his Penn affiliations than you are. Can you 
explain any moral difference between you and him, for us non-Penn-affiliated 
townies?


The only personal facts you routinely append to your posts are that you are 
a serial liar and that you linked yourself to an email forgery. We 
appreciate your candor on these points. But Penn affiliations are paramount, 
in your world at least, aren't they? It would be better, then, if you added 
your own Penn affiliations to your sig.


-- Tony West

Ray wrote:

the only thing that article attached to his byline was

  Andrew Zitcer is an urban planner and arts advocate.

-- nothing about his association with calvary, nothing about his job with 
penn's facilities and real estate services as cultural asset manager...



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Re: [UC] exterminator

2007-06-12 Thread Freda Egnal

When I asked the same question you did a while ago, I got the following 
response, and contacted Mantua Communiy Vectors and was happy with them.
Good luck.

We think that the Mantua Community Vectors on  Lancaster Ave. are the best of 
the best; these women know everything about  the extermination of pests.
 Try them at:
 215-222-7378   or215-222-3741
 The person who helps us is  Cindy, and Beth is great too. There well may be 
others - they are very  successful because they are so good at what they do.
 I was going to write this all down and give it to  you in exercise class 
tomorrow, but decided this is easier.
 sue minnis  


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because of the rain, but can someone recommend a good, affordable 
exterminator?

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Re: [UC] Romance is not dead in the hood!

2007-06-12 Thread Vivianne T. Nachmias

and... my next door neighbor who is  90, had door bell rung one eve,  
early and a tall young man at the door, asked, politely, what was the  
name of the white flower (her gorgeous Clematis) in the back garden  
as his mother out in the car  wanted to know.


and one young man came by my place, and I saw him with one single  
rose, going down the sidewalk,  smelling it. just one.


of many
 Vivianne
On Jun 12, 2007, at 3:33 PM, Karen Heenan wrote:

Been there, done that.  I've always had people picking roses off my  
front fence, though last summer I had a first -- a young man rang  
my doorbell at around 7:00 p.m., asking if I would cut a few roses  
for him.  Apparently he was late for his (first) date and wanted to  
try to make up for his lateness by giving her flowers.


At least he asked.

Karen



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To: UnivCity@list.purple.com
Subject: [UC] Romance is not dead in the hood!
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 14:58:03 -0400

Walking up to my house I discovered a young man standing in my front
yard, ripping the last of the roses from my rose bush and handing  
them

down to a young lady on the sidewalk.

Would you like a pair of scissors? I asked.

No thanks, he said, We've got them all.

Young love!



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Re: [UC] FS: Casablanca ceiling fan - T, You Okay?

2007-06-12 Thread Craigsolve

As someone who also has beaten-up on Zitcer, please, let me jump in.
 
In a message dated 6/12/2007 7:16:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

So  what's your point, Ray? In your own numerous posts, you never mention 
your  job with Penn either.
I believe the vast majority of the List's actives are aware of LB's  
distinguished affiliation with one of our nation's great research institutions  
- U of 
P.
 
Personally, I just ignore Beam's sig lines and those of the real estate  
people who append them to posts that having nothing to do with the rendering of 
 
regulated real estate opinions/information. Do you guys wear name tags around  
the house?

I don't  see why Zitcer should be expected to be 
any more forthcoming about his  Penn affiliations than you are.
Maybe Zitcer was forthcoming on his professional disclosure and some  
lazy-ass editor was less disciplined and deleted the info. I went after Zitcer  
because I presumed he was using a popular media outlet to surreptitiously  
advance 
Penn Real Estate community development strategies, while posing as  Everyman. 
I understand how you and I at times may be disappointed by  the BrightLight's 
written thoughts, you more so than me, but that's another sign  of the Hood's 
cultural and intellectual diversity. Hey, his rose photos were  bloomin' good.

Can you  
explain any moral difference between you and him, for us  non-Penn-affiliated 
townies?
Penn doesn't pay the Laserman to promulgate and enact real estate  
development strategies, with Zitcer they do. And editorially, he  was 
dismissive of 
voices contrary to Penn's trying to be heard over the  Penn RE Development 
goliath, who I might remind you was killed-off.

The only  personal facts you routinely append to your posts are that you are 
a  serial liar and that you linked yourself to an email  forgery.
The List never asks you two to clarify these outlandish claims because  we 
view them as mutually appreciative derision not substantial  claims.
 
As someone who immensely appreciates both your contributions to the List, I  
suggest this would be a great time to beat a new horse to maintain peak  
broad-based List interest. What ever happened to all those swaggering Cass  
Gang 
wussies?
 
Ciao,
 
Craig



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