character sets- missing feature?
In Revolution how can I display text with foreign character sets? Not Unicode. For example this text file is ISO-8859-2 (Central European ISO Latin 2) http://www.northshorecomputer.net/pg/etext04/rnpz810.txt In Apple TextEdit, I can select Central European ISO Latin 2 while open that file and it displays what appear to be the correct characters. Rev's MacToISO and ISOToMac functions, while useful, seem to fall short of dealing with many, many text encodings out there. Hopefully I am overlooking something. I fear I will have to write an external to do this :-/ Alex Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Mindlube Software | http://mindlube.com what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Saving Preferences
Read in from an external file on startup; if the file doesn't exist, default prefs are applied inside the program an a new prefs file with the defaults is written out to disk. This way, if someone wants to reset their prefs to the defaults, all they need to do is throw away the prefs file. -- Why throw away? Seems more laborious than just having a permanent Prefs substack (which would become its own Prefs file when building for distr., right?). True, but having it in an external file means that it is in a user-readable form that can be modified externally by other programs or by administrators without opening the stack each time. A lot of it depends on who the application is going to (i.e. what market). Also, I haven't quite understood the advantage of developing with a substack of a mainstack and then at the last minute breaking it out into a separate stack... I would think that if I really wanted a substack to be separate file, I would have started with it that way... Can someone enlighten me? Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Saving Preferences
Back again, Something I don't quite understand: 1) Suppose you have a Splash that contains the engine and initializes Prefs from a data stack (which I'll call a Prefs stack from now on). Now, when you originally create this in the Rev IDE, the Main stack would actually be the Splash, and the substacks will actually become Rev files at distr build time. Is this correct? 2) I'll then have a substack which I'll call the UI stack, which is a Rev file after the distr build. To the user, this thing would look like the main stack because it has all the buttons, graphics, fields, menus, palettes, etc. Is this OK so far? 3) I'll also have a PrefDialog substack which will read data from the Prefs stack, which won't be saved in itself, but can operate on it while open, change data as appropriate, then write directly back to the Prefs stack, replacing data (save) there. Is this correct? 4) If all the above is true, then it looks like the Prefs dialog should be another substack opened by the UI stack, correct? TIA, Ken N. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: character sets- missing feature?
In Revolution how can I display text with foreign character sets? Not Unicode. For example this text file is ISO-8859-2 (Central European ISO Latin 2) http://www.northshorecomputer.net/pg/etext04/rnpz810.txt In Apple TextEdit, I can select Central European ISO Latin 2 while open that file and it displays what appear to be the correct characters. Rev's MacToISO and ISOToMac functions, while useful, seem to fall short of dealing with many, many text encodings out there. Hopefully I am overlooking something. I fear I will have to write an external to do this :-/ From the documentation, it seems that ISOtoMac handles only 8859-1. Other encodings would surely be a welcome addition to this function. This workaround will enable you to show the Polish text above in a Revolution field: - set the textfont of the field to Times CE or another CE font - open the text with Safari (other OS X browsers probably work as well) - change the encoding in Safari to Latin-2 - select all, copy, paste into field in Revolution -- --- Kjetil Rå Hauge, U. of Oslo. Tel. +47/22856710, fax +47/22854140 --- (this msg sent from home, +47/67148424, fax +1/5084372444) ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Burning ISO CD image on Mac
Hello, Here is the way i did successfully the same work : 1.- insert a new writable CD into your macosx box. 2.- it will be asked you to prepare it for writing mode 3.- select the last option in the popup (copy cd) 4.- it will be asked you witch iso formated file to write 5.- select directly the lindows iso file you downloaded (instead of your unneded desktop mounted file) 6.- the copy will begin... Bests, Pierre Le mer 01/10/2003 07:34, curry a crit : I am trying to test the downloadable Lindows CD, but my CD burner is on my iMac (built-in), so I'm trying to burn it there before using it on my PC. I was using the Finder's burn feature, and made two CDs to try: first I dragged the ISO itself onto the CD image and burned it, and the second time I double-clicked the ISO to mount it and burned the contents. Neither of the CDs was able to boot the PC. (Yes, the PC is checking CD first for boot.) Does anyone know how to do this type of burn? :) Thanks very much, -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores 100, rue de Paris F - 77140 Nemours GSM: +33 6 03 95 77 70 Pro: +33 1 41 60 52 68 Dom: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Fax: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Inspection acadmique de Seine-Saint-Denis Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) Penser et produire delta de rentabilit ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [ANN] libLinedFields
Monte, a very basic question: what does it mean when you say start using the library? I must say I haven't used your libraries yet so I am confused. I used the ScriptLibraryInstaller.rev to create a userscript folder in componentes/save. I then placed uLinedFields.rev in that folder, restarted Revolution. I checked in Development -- Plugins --revScriptLibrary to make sure that the library loads on startup. Yet when I try the following script: set the uLinedField of fld Field 1 to true - nothing happens. What am I missing? All best, Toma Am Mittwoch, 01.10.03 um 07:20 Uhr schrieb Monte Goulding: Hi All I just spent 1/2 an hour working out how to get decent looking alternate color lined fields in Rev. Then I spent another half an hour making a library out of it and uploading it to my rev site ;-) Take a look: www.sweattechnologies.com/rev Cheers Monte Goulding B.App.Sc. (Hons.) Executive Director Sweat Technologies email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.sweattechnologies.com mobile (International): +61 421 138 274 (Australia): 0421 138 274 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
standard file dialog?
I know I must just be missing something, but what's the equivalent of the Mac OS's standard file dialogs? I need to let the user specify a place and name to save a (results) stack to. -- Joel Rees, programmer, Systems Group Altech Corporation (Alpsgiken), Osaka, Japan http://www.alpsgiken.co.jp -- When software is patentable, anything is patentable. (http://swpat.ffii.org) ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: character sets- missing feature?
From the documentation, it seems that ISOtoMac handles only 8859-1. Other encodings would surely be a welcome addition to this function. This workaround will enable you to show the Polish text above in a Revolution field: Yeah support for polish as a language will be in 2.1.1. So you'll be able to use set the unicodetext of fld 1 to uniencode(sometext,polish) Tuviah Snyder [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution Limited - Software at the Speed of Thought ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: standard file dialog?
--- Joel Rees [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know I must just be missing something, but what's the equivalent of the Mac OS's standard file dialogs? I need to let the user specify a place and name to save a (results) stack to. Hi Joel, Have a look at the Transcript Dictionary entries for the commands 'ask file' and 'answer file'. - ask file Save file as : - answer file Open file : Hope this helped, Jan Schenkel. = As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time. (La Rochefoucauld) __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Saving Preferences
--- Ken Norris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Back again, Something I don't quite understand: 1) Suppose you have a Splash that contains the engine and initializes Prefs from a data stack (which I'll call a Prefs stack from now on). Now, when you originally create this in the Rev IDE, the Main stack would actually be the Splash, and the substacks will actually become Rev files at distr build time. Is this correct? That's not really necessary : you only have to break out the stacks that you want to save changes to ; the other stacks can stay in the standalone. 2) I'll then have a substack which I'll call the UI stack, which is a Rev file after the distr build. To the user, this thing would look like the main stack because it has all the buttons, graphics, fields, menus, palettes, etc. Is this OK so far? That looks like the standard way of handling it. 3) I'll also have a PrefDialog substack which will read data from the Prefs stack, which won't be saved in itself, but can operate on it while open, change data as appropriate, then write directly back to the Prefs stack, replacing data (save) there. Is this correct? That will work just fine ; and is IMHO a better solution than to merge the preferences UI and data storage into a single stack. 4) If all the above is true, then it looks like the Prefs dialog should be another substack opened by the UI stack, correct? Yes, you will have to open it in order to get to its data ; but you can open it invisibly so nobody ever has to know :-) TIA, Ken N. Hope this helped, Jan Schenkel. = As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time. (La Rochefoucauld) __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: standard file dialog?
snort cough cough wheeze shuffle shuffle --- Joel Rees [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know I must just be missing something, but what's the equivalent of the Mac OS's standard file dialogs? I need to let the user specify a place and name to save a (results) stack to. Hi Joel, Have a look at the Transcript Dictionary entries for the commands 'ask file' and 'answer file'. - ask file Save file as : - answer file Open file : Hope this helped, Jan Schenkel. You must have telepathic powers, because I was dozing in front of the Mac a few minutes ago and suddenly woke up with the impression I should check for options to ask and answer. 8-/ Thanks, and sorry for the noise. -- Joel Rees, programmer, Systems Group Altech Corporation (Alpsgiken), Osaka, Japan http://www.alpsgiken.co.jp -- When software is patentable, anything is patentable. (http://swpat.ffii.org) ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: character sets- missing feature?
From the documentation, it seems that ISOtoMac handles only 8859-1. Other encodings would surely be a welcome addition to this function. This workaround will enable you to show the Polish text above in a Revolution field: Yeah support for polish as a language will be in 2.1.1. So you'll be able to use set the unicodetext of fld 1 to uniencode(sometext,polish) Tuviah Snyder [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution Limited - Software at the Speed of Thought But how does uniencode know what the current encoding of sometext is? It can be 8859-2 but also MacCE or Windows-1250. Even more options are for example for Russian (Cyrillic). Robert Brenstein ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
I need Distribution Builder advice
I'm having a number of problems creating a distribution for OSX. I've searched bugzilla and I see at least one of the problems I've had (a kind of dummy copy of Revolution appears beside my app when the distribution is built, but it crashes on opening and anyway what's it doing there?), but I couldn't understand from the Bugzilla comment in what sense it had been fixed. I have had other issues with 'Revolution' appearing in the app's menu for example, which only happens sometimes... I also seem to have problems setting icons and also creating OSX distributions when using MacOS 9.2.2 (in native mode, not using Classic under OSX). Basically I need a tutorial, so that I can try to use the Dist Builder as correctly as I can and then if need be report any actual bugs. I may have missed it, but I have not found any cookbook items relating to distribution building. It seems to me that we badly need some kind of step-by-step instructions for creating a robust app with proper icons and menus for OSX, explaining what to do about the various issues that have come up from time to time (like the Quit menu issue, what to do with plists, what exactly an icon set has to consist of etc). Clearly building a robust OSX distribution is possible, since RunRev itself has done it, but since it didn't work first time for me, I really don't know what to do now. I can't believe I'm the only one to be confused by all this. Can anyone point me in the right direction? TIA Graham -- --- Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK France ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: I need Distribution Builder advice
Hi Graham, maybe I can help you with some of them, even though it is a bit complicated because I do it by hand: I also seem to have problems setting icons Thats an easy one, you can copy and paste it in the finder: You need an icon file (.icns I believe) Try selecting your app bundle. Click Applei, select your icon click applei, selct the thumbnail of your icon in the info window press applec select the icon thumbnail of your app in its info window press applev I have had other issues with 'Revolution' appearing in the app's menu for example, which only happens sometimes... If that happens on X: open the app bundle by control clicking on it. Choose show Package contents open the file info.plist. Look for the word Revolution. Change it to your apps name. I will look for the correct tags when I´m under X again in a few minutes) Open the folder MacOs: Change the name of the File in it (named revolution) to your apps. name. Now it should show correct in the quit menu for example. You can double check it by opening a terminal window and typing top into it. Your apps name should show in that window. Hope that helps a bit, Regards, Malte ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: I need Distribution Builder advice
Hi Graham, open the app bundle by control clicking on it. Choose show Package contents open the file info.plist. Look for the word Revolution. Change it to your apps name. I will look for the correct tags when I´m under X again in a few minutes) It is keyCFBBundleExecutable/keystringRevolution/string Where Revolution should be your apps name. Open the folder MacOs: Change the name of the File in it (named revolution) to your apps. name. Now it should show correct in the quit menu for example. You can double check it by opening a terminal window and typing top into it. Your apps name should show in that window. Hope that helps a bit, Regards, Malte ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Burning ISO CD image on Mac
Thanks so much, Alex and Pierre! I had almost lost hope on it. Lindows, here I come. -- Curry Kenworthy -- Christian xTalk discussion list http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cxtalk/ ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: I need Distribution Builder advice
Hi Graham, open the app bundle by control clicking on it. Choose show Package contents open the file info.plist. Also change get info information such as version number and copyright whilst there. atb sims -- --- http://EZPZapps.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Software - Internet Development - Consulting We make... iBirthday! http://EZPZapps.com/iB SmartDog!http://EZPZapps.com/SmartDog Kartolina! http://ezpzapps.com/kartolina ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [ANN] libLinedFields
On Tuesday, September 30, 2003, at 11:20 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: I just spent 1/2 an hour working out how to get decent looking alternate color lined fields in Rev. Then I spent another half an hour making a library out of it and uploading it to my rev site ;-) Take a look: www.sweattechnologies.com/rev Monte, This works great. Did a quick test and on OS X.2.6 the margins 2,3,2,8 seemed to work best. If I didn't use 8 as the bottom margin then the last line of text would get cut off. Thanks, -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Multimedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: character sets- missing feature?
On Wednesday, October 1, 2003, at 03:14 AM, Tuviah Snyder wrote: Yeah support for polish as a language will be in 2.1.1. So you'll be able to use set the unicodetext of fld 1 to uniencode(sometext,polish) Tuviah, this will be superb- I beg you to implement it for 2.1.1. This is the only capability that Rev doesn't offer for my current project. But I believe the text encoding name will have to be passed as a parameter, as Robert Brenstein notes. At least an optional parameter.Unless you have an extremely smart encoding guesser. Even TextEdit.app does not correctly guess the encoding this file with ISO-8859-2, I have to pick the encoding manually. Cocoa has a pretty good text encoding framework, so if it can't guess the encoding it must be a hard problem. For reference, I'm using Project Gutenberg, which has approx 8,000 files- the books are text files mostly with 7-bit ASCII, some with 8-bit ASCII. I think the 8-bit ones are where the ISO encodings come into play. There probably hundreds of files that have encodings other than the ISO-8859 that Rev supports. Of those maybe a few are Unicode already, but most are like this Polish file with various ISO-8859-x variants. Alex Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Mindlube Software | http://mindlube.com what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [ANN] libLinedFields
Monte, a very basic question: what does it mean when you say start using the library? I must say I haven't used your libraries yet so I am confused. I used the ScriptLibraryInstaller.rev to create a userscript folder in componentes/save. I then placed uLinedFields.rev in that folder, restarted Revolution. I checked in Development -- Plugins --revScriptLibrary to make sure that the library loads on startup. Yet when I try the following script: set the uLinedField of fld Field 1 to true - nothing happens. What am I missing? All best, Toma P.S. sorry if this gets posted twice -- it didn't seem to have gone through the first time. Am Mittwoch, 01.10.03 um 07:20 Uhr schrieb Monte Goulding: Hi All I just spent 1/2 an hour working out how to get decent looking alternate color lined fields in Rev. Then I spent another half an hour making a library out of it and uploading it to my rev site ;-) Take a look: www.sweattechnologies.com/rev Cheers Monte Goulding B.App.Sc. (Hons.) Executive Director Sweat Technologies email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] website: www.sweattechnologies.com mobile (International): +61 421 138 274 (Australia): 0421 138 274 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Using Rev as a multiplatform GUI to control perl and shell scripts -- or is Tcl/tk better?
I want to make a multiplatform GUI for dozens of perl and shell scripts that process and analyse logs. I had hoped to try to use Revolution, because I know some transcript, but wondered how you simply execute a perl script using Rev, (without passing any arguments etc. -- although this might eventually be useful). I am running the scripts on MacOSX, from the bash shell. a typical command line to execute a script might be bash-2.05a$ perl desktop/logs/scripts/extract.pl its a script that churns away for potentially hours, stripping and reformatting logfile lines, counting, etc what transcript script do I need to launch the same script from a button in Rev? And would the same transcript work on other platforms? A friend said I should learn Tcl/Tk instead.. but is he right? opinions gratefully received Ben ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
copying text from lists.runrev.com
hi, all. i have a really basic question. often, when i have a question about runrev, instead of bugging/bothering the list, i open my browser and do a google search on the list archive for relevant info, e.g. if i were wondering about how arrays work (which I am!), then I would type: array site:lists.runrev.com well, this is great, because it's easy to follow threads, and i _should_ be able to cut and paste a given thread to produce nice little threaded studies of topics. but here's my problem: whenever i paste a message in mac os x.2.6 [and x.2.8] (and i haven't tried other systems) all of the quoted material (with lines beginning with or ) in a message collapses into a single paragraph, eg, Yves, As long as cPoints only has student data (i.e. every element in cPoints is what you'll be checking), you can do this: put into myList put 1 into elementNum repeat for each element e in cPoints if e = 5 then put line elementNum of keys(cPoints) cr after myList end if add 1 to elementNum end repeat Hope this helps, now, the display in my browser has a line break before each or . why are the cr's before so spineless, i.e., does anyone know why my computer converts this into the useless mess above, and how i might correct it? i've tried everything i can think of. does it have something to do with mac vs windows linefeed/cr stuff? thanks. rand ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: copying text from lists.runrev.com
the cr's before so spineless, i.e., does anyone know why my computer converts this into the useless mess above, and how i might correct it? i've It seems to be a (mis)feature of Safari. Does not happen with Mozilla. -- --- Kjetil Rå Hauge, U. of Oslo, PO Box 1030 Blindern, N-0315 Oslo, Norway Tel. +47/22856710, fax +47/22854140 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Using Rev as a multiplatform GUI to control perl and shell scripts -- or is Tcl/tk better?
Hi Ben, The best way is to pipe all the needed perl or any other kind of scripting languages you would have to use. See, as an example, how i'm accessing the psql command line client (PostgreSQL) and just tune the script below by replacing my code by yours : put psql -h localhost projecoles -U postgres into PgPath put shell(echo quote select * from etablist order by etab0011 quote | PgPath) into AccPpx Bests, Pierre Le mer 01/10/2003 17:16, Ben Collyer a crit : I want to make a multiplatform GUI for dozens of perl and shell scripts that process and analyse logs. I had hoped to try to use Revolution, because I know some transcript, but wondered how you simply execute a perl script using Rev, (without passing any arguments etc. -- although this might eventually be useful). I am running the scripts on MacOSX, from the bash shell. a typical command line to execute a script might be bash-2.05a$ perl desktop/logs/scripts/extract.pl its a script that churns away for potentially hours, stripping and reformatting logfile lines, counting, etc what transcript script do I need to launch the same script from a button in Rev? And would the same transcript work on other platforms? A friend said I should learn Tcl/Tk instead.. but is he right? opinions gratefully received Ben ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores 100, rue de Paris F - 77140 Nemours GSM: +33 6 03 95 77 70 Pro: +33 1 41 60 52 68 Dom: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Fax: +33 1 64 45 05 33 Inspection acadmique de Seine-Saint-Denis Applications et SGBD ACID SQL (WEB et PGI) Penser et produire delta de rentabilit ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Using Rev as a multiplatform GUI to control perl and shell scripts -- or is Tcl/tk better?
On Wednesday, October 1, 2003, at 09:16 AM, Ben Collyer wrote: A friend said I should learn Tcl/Tk instead.. but is he right? opinions gratefully received As Pierre mentioned- see the shell() function. As for Tcl/Tk, I am not a tcl programmer, but I think that Revolution is going to have similar capabilities as Tcl/Tk - in that they are both high-level languages. Revolution is event-driven- I assume Tcl is also. Revolution can compile relatively small, fast single-file executables for many platforms, which I don't think Tcl can do. Tcl/Tk some versions are Free, but Revolution is not. Tcl/Tk may not come with a GUI builder tool like Revolution offers. Tk apps used to be glacially slow- click a button and go get a cup of coffee - kind of slow. I assume that is no longer an issue on today's hardware. I would also compare Tcl/Tk's shell/task/process management functions and see if it's any better than Revolution's offerings. Also keep an eye on this new site by David Bovill [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sourceforge.net/projects/opn-repository/ Open source environments which use Rev for rapid prototyping of fron ends, but which relate to other componenets written in othe languages. HTH Alex Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Mindlube Software | http://mindlube.com what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Saving Preferences
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 02:24:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Jan Schenkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Saving Preferences 3) I'll also have a PrefDialog substack which will read data from the Prefs stack, which won't be saved in itself, but can operate on it while open, change data as appropriate, then write directly back to the Prefs stack, replacing data (save) there. Is this correct? That will work just fine ; and is IMHO a better solution than to merge the preferences UI and data storage into a single stack. -- Well, I thought about that, but it wouldn't save to itself, so it made more sense to break out the Prefs stack into a separate file by itself. In fact, it will probably have no controls at all. But I also think I should make the Prefs dialog stack separate as well. That's why I'm exploring and asking opinions. I still haven't completely decided how I should do what I want. I think I'd like to develop a standard way to build Prefs/Control Panel stacks which can be updated independantly and remotely. Suppose I want to offer a new theme package of icons and feedback sounds. I would like a module that will download the package from a website, and install it automatically, i.e., the image and sound data files will be loaded into the Prefs stack folder and the new choice added to the availability list in the Prefs stack, which can be read and acted on from the Prefs _dialog_ stack. I know this can be done in Rev, but I haven't quite worked it out yet. It should check for duplicates and the like. And, also, for the user's own sake, a security device to prevent the user from accidentally throwing away the Prefs or other pertinent data stacks. -- 4) If all the above is true, then it looks like the Prefs dialog should be another substack opened by the UI stack, correct? Yes, you will have to open it in order to get to its data ; but you can open it invisibly so nobody ever has to know :-) -- By opening it offscreen, locking the screen,...what method? Ken N. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: character sets- missing feature?
On Wednesday, October 1, 2003, at 12:04 AM, Alex Rice wrote: In Revolution how can I display text with foreign character sets? Not Unicode. For example this text file is ISO-8859-2 (Central European ISO Latin 2) I suspect the mapping to unicode is straight-forward. You might be able to do this yourself. One of my references suggested that for many encodings all you have to do is change the high byte. I am pretty sure this is an oversimplification, but it does indicate that it may not require a table for random mapping. Dar Scott unicode newbie ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Saving Preferences
--- Ken Norris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 02:24:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Jan Schenkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Saving Preferences 4) If all the above is true, then it looks like the Prefs dialog should be another substack opened by the UI stack, correct? Yes, you will have to open it in order to get to its data ; but you can open it invisibly so nobody ever has to know :-) -- By opening it offscreen, locking the screen,...what method? Steer your copy of Revolution to the Transcript Dictionary, and check out the 'invisible' clause for the 'go'/'open' command :-) Hope this helped, Jan Schenkel. = As we grow older, we grow both wiser and more foolish at the same time. (La Rochefoucauld) __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
QuickTime, text fields, closed captioning
Is it possible to have a transparent text field on top of a quicktime movie, the way we can put a text field layer over an image? if not -- is there any way in revolution to fake closed captioning? (i know i can do this in, say, LiveStage Pro, but I want to implement closed captioning in such a way that the user can stop the movie at any frame, and click on any words in the subtitle -- which Revolution should then take care of, translate etc... Is this absolutely hopeless? All best, Toma ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: character sets- missing feature?
On Wednesday, October 1, 2003, at 11:51 AM, Dar Scott wrote: I suspect the mapping to unicode is straight-forward. You might be able to do this yourself. One of my references suggested that for many encodings all you have to do is change the high byte. I am pretty sure this is an oversimplification, but it does indicate that it may not require a table for random mapping. Really? I am kind of a character encoding neophyte- can you hook me up with a reference or a couple of lines of code if you have something in mind? Thanks Dar, Alex Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Mindlube Software | http://mindlube.com what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: I need Distribution Builder advice
On Wednesday, October 1, 2003, at 04:27 AM, Graham Samuel wrote: Can anyone point me in the right direction? Like Malte, I also construct my App bundles by hand on OS X. Because of the new bundle/package format on OS X you are no longer dependent on the compiler or resedit to create the application file. In addition to the other suggestions, here are some tips I thought of: 1) I wrote a shell script to copy files, including my Rev standalone executable, and my already existing app bundle. Then I double-click on the bundle's Info.plist to edit the other bundle properties with the PropertyListEditor.app # example shell script command to copy the executable file cp FacilityCa_MacOSX_Standalone/FacilityCalculator.app/Contents/MacOS/ Revolution \ NPSFacCalc/FacilityCalculator.app/Contents/MacOS/FacilityCalculator 2) Apple's Project Builder, although it is a compiler, also has really flexible methods of creating application bundles, and has GUI forms for a lot of the bundle properties. You can also add shell scripts to customize the build process. One could use Project Builder to do automate builds of app bundles, even if it's just collecting files from various places and not really compiling any C/C++ code. Alex Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Mindlube Software | http://mindlube.com what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
QuickTime, text fields, closed captioning
Is it possible to have a transparent text field on top of a quicktime movie, the way we can put a text field layer over an image? if not -- is there any way in revolution to fake closed captioning? (i know i can do this in, say, LiveStage Pro, but I want to implement closed captioning in such a way that the user can stop the movie at any frame, and click on any words in the subtitle -- which Revolution should then take care of, translate etc... Is this absolutely hopeless? All best, Toma ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: character sets- missing feature?
But how does uniencode know what the current encoding of sometext is? It can be 8859-2 but also MacCE or Windows-1250. Even more options are for example for Russian (Cyrillic). When you say Polish it maps to central european. Just like saying japanese maps to shift-JIS with uniencode. Tuviah Snyder [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution Limited - Software at the Speed of Thought ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RegEx difficulties
I'm using the matchChunk function to search for given words in a field and then change the textStyle of those words to link. I'm having a problem though when a given word is found in another, longer word. An example would be match and matches. The word I'm searching for is match but I only want to find match, not matches. My code is if matchChunk(tStoryText, ( tWord ), tStartChar, tEndChar) then set the textStyle of char tStartChar to tEndChar of field myText to empty end if I need a RegEx string that will match only the whole word. Kind of like the wholeMatches property works with the offset functions. Is this possible? Chris Sheffield Software Development Read Naturally [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: QuickTime, text fields, closed captioning
Toma Tasovac wrote: Is it possible to have a transparent text field on top of a quicktime movie, the way we can put a text field layer over an image? if not -- is there any way in revolution to fake closed captioning? (i know i can do this in, say, LiveStage Pro, but I want to implement closed captioning in such a way that the user can stop the movie at any frame, and click on any words in the subtitle -- which Revolution should then take care of, translate etc... Is this absolutely hopeless? You can turn on the alwaysBuffer of the player, but that disables the controller. :( Better would be to write a SMIL file and use that instead of your QT movie as the filename. SMIL lets you synchronize multiple media elements using a simple XML tile. Rev player objects can handle SMIL 1.0 plus the additional QT-specific syntax options noted at http://www.apple.com/quicktime/authoring/qtsmil.html. The SMIL 1.0 spec is at http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-smil/. A good tutorial is at http://www.helio.org/products/smil/tutorial/toc.html. I started work on a GUI SMIL editor in Rev some time ago, but alas it's been collecting dust on my hard drive in favor of more pressing projects. So while I don't have a handy tool to pass to you yet, I can offer some encouragement in the meantime: SMIL may seem daunting at first, but you can pick it up in an afternoon and it's as easy to write as HTML. To give you an idea of the format, here's an example from the above-referenced tutorial: smil head layout root-layout width =300 height =200 background-color =white / region id =vim_icon left =75 top =50 width =32 height =32 / region id =soja_icon left =150 top =50 width =100 height =30 / / layout / head body par img src =vim32x32.gif alt =The vim icon region =vim_icon dur =6s / img src =madewithsoja.gif alt =Made with SOJA region =soja_icon dur =6s / / par / body / smil As a side note, you can also use QT 6's support for 3GPP to dynamically create text tracks (see http://developer.apple.com/documentation/QuickTime/QT6_3/index.html), but it requires QT 6.3 and so it's not nearly as widely supported yet as SMIL, which should cover what you need. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com Tel: 323-225-3717 AIM: FourthWorldInc ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: I need Distribution Builder advice
Alex Rice wrote: 2) Apple's Project Builder, although it is a compiler, also has really flexible methods of creating application bundles, and has GUI forms for a lot of the bundle properties. You can also add shell scripts to customize the build process. Better still might be a Rev plugin that generates plist and PAD files (see http://www.asp-shareware.org/pad/) from the same data. How many of you use PAD to promote your wares? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation Developer of WebMerge: Publish any database on any Web site ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com Tel: 323-225-3717 AIM: FourthWorldInc ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RegEx difficulties
On Wednesday, October 1, 2003, at 12:35 PM, Chris Sheffield wrote: I need a RegEx string that will match only the whole word. Kind of like the wholeMatches property works with the offset functions. Is this possible? Yes. Before the word should be either whitespace or the start of the string. After the word should be either whitespace or the end of the string. Dar Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: RegEx difficulties
if matchChunk(tStoryText, ( tWord ), tStartChar, tEndChar) then set the textStyle of char tStartChar to tEndChar of field myText to empty end if I need a RegEx string that will match only the whole word. Kind of like the wholeMatches property works with the offset functions. Is this possible? You better believe it, Chris. You can use the \b command which means word boundary, like this: if matchChunk(tStoryText,\b( tWord )\b,tStartChar,tEndChar) then Have fun! Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: QuickTime, text fields, closed captioning
Yes, Toma. You need to put the movie into player object and set its alwaysBuffer to true. Then you can layer objects on top of it. Note, though, that buffered QT movies may not play at as high a frame rate or quality than when they are unbuffered, but since you can't layer something on top of an *un*buffered movie, you don't have much of a choice. ;-) Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Toma Tasovac Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 12:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: QuickTime, text fields, closed captioning Is it possible to have a transparent text field on top of a quicktime movie, the way we can put a text field layer over an image? if not -- is there any way in revolution to fake closed captioning? (i know i can do this in, say, LiveStage Pro, but I want to implement closed captioning in such a way that the user can stop the movie at any frame, and click on any words in the subtitle -- which Revolution should then take care of, translate etc... Is this absolutely hopeless? All best, Toma ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use- revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: snapshot on XP makes icons wink out
On Tuesday, September 30, 2003, at 12:52 PM, Dar Scott wrote: On Windows XP, import snapshot or export snapshot causes the icons on the primary monitor to wink out. Anybody else seeing this on Windows? Try this in the message box: export snapshot of rect 0,0,100,100 to x as PNG Chipp described this as redrawing the desktop. Would folks who try this please send me a note, even if it works? And if you are willing to take the time, let me know what video board, how many monitors and what Windows version. Or anything you think applicable. I'll collect these and add to the bugzilla report #729. Or if you prefer, you can comment directly to the bugzilla report. So far RunRev and Ken Ray do not see this. Chipp Walters and I do see this. Dar Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: RegEx difficulties
www.pcre.org - it's all there (although it's a bit long-winded). Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Sheffield Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 2:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: RegEx difficulties Thanks, Ken. That is exactly what I was looking for. Is that documented somewhere? It'd be handy to have some really good RegEx docs. I'm kind of new at it. Thanks again. Chris Sheffield Software Development Read Naturally [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ken Ray Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 12:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: RegEx difficulties if matchChunk(tStoryText, ( tWord ), tStartChar, tEndChar) then set the textStyle of char tStartChar to tEndChar of field myText to empty end if I need a RegEx string that will match only the whole word. Kind of like the wholeMatches property works with the offset functions. Is this possible? You better believe it, Chris. You can use the \b command which means word boundary, like this: if matchChunk(tStoryText,\b( tWord )\b,tStartChar,tEndChar) then Have fun! Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use- revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use- revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: The close box
Hi Thomas, I want to write a script that executes when anyone clicks the little close box in the upper left in my standalone for Mac and on the right for Windows. Mac Users aren't accustomed to having the application quit when this box is clicked and there are places in my stack where instinct would have Windows users click it to get rid of something that looks like a window. I want this message to come up when that box is clicked: Do you really want to quit the program? with Yes quit! or Cancel I can't seem to find on closebox anywhere so I can do this. You are probably looking for closestackrequest ;-) Thanks, Tom Regards Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.major-k.de ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RegEx difficulties
On Wednesday, October 1, 2003, at 02:01 PM, Ken Ray wrote: www.pcre.org - it's all there (although it's a bit long-winded). IIRC, the two man pages might be easier for Revolutionaries to read in reverse order. Dar Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Saving Preferences
Hi Ken, Thanks for the Re. From: Ken Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Saving Preferences Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 01:21:06 -0500 Organization: Sons of Thunder Software Why throw away? Seems more laborious than just having a permanent Prefs substack (which would become its own Prefs file when building for distr., right?). True, but having it in an external file means that it is in a user-readable form that can be modified externally by other programs or by administrators without opening the stack each time. A lot of it depends on who the application is going to (i.e. what market). -- Well, I meant for the Prefs substack to become a separate (external) file at build time. -- Also, I haven't quite understood the advantage of developing with a substack of a mainstack and then at the last minute breaking it out into a separate stack... I would think that if I really wanted a substack to be separate file, I would have started with it that way... Can someone enlighten me? -- I'd say it has to a lot to do with ease and speed of development and buildout. It also depends on content and intentions for use (memory and performance parameters). During development, a substack _feels_ much more integral to the project from a development standpoint. Knowing a substack can be its own environment, with cards, groups, backgrounds, menus, and objects, but, while in the IDE, it's easier and faster to test for interaction, tracking changes, and otherwise manipulate things relative to the Main stack. You can treat it simply as another hierarchical level, or as a separate file requiring a filepath, and you don't have to decide which works better until the project is near completion. If it performs better as an integral substack, and isn't likely to require updating, then leave it as an integral substack. If you need to update it, or work on it independently, then break it out as a separate file at build time. OTOH, if it's just text or images with no objects or anything, or your plans are such that you know it will be updated regularly, then it may be OK to start it off as a separate file. The problem would be that if, during development, you wanted to integrate it into the main project, it would take extra work to do that. HTH, Ken N. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Running Standalones from the windows desktop
Hi All, I have a standalone that my installer places in c:\program files\app_name and also places a shortcut on the windows desktop. On first run, this app then copies or creates an ini and a datafile into its working directory (c:\program files\app_name). However, it doesn't. If run from the desktop, saving files simply as filename without path saves to the desktop, not to the working directory. Rev seems to know this and works happliy with these files on the desktop, but of course this is not what was intended and is rather messy. Running from the working directory saves these files in the working directory. Is there a way that Rev can pick up the real working directory rather than the desktop? (user has option to change the working directory on installation). Any help appreciated. Cheers Steve King ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Freeware testing request
Dear Revolutionaries, I recently finished a fun little project made in Revolution. I've done some thorough bug testing but would like to invite anyone interested to try out the program and give their feedback. It's 100% free and available for OS X and Windows (only tested in XP so far). It's available at http://www.SofaKing.tv/ Please send feedback to my project's email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks for your time ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Off Topic! Auto-opening scocket
Revolvers, I have a poltergeist or gremlin running my Mac (MOS 9.9.2). I have DSL with SBC and I always close the DSL when I go off-line. Since yesterday afternoon, something is opening a socket to my server. Every 15 minutes, a socket is opened to SBC. At first I thought it was errant script dribbled into the stack I was working on or into the home stack. Today, I closed all apps except Launcher and Stickies and the dohicky strip at the bottom. At precisely 12:45 the socket opened. Every 15 minutes it opened again! I cleared all the cookies. I just check the cookie jar and appears normal except for a site called atwola.com Anyone got an inkling what's happening? Ray G. Miller __ Turtlelips Productions 4009 Everett Ave. Oakland, CA 94602 MailTo:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (V) 510.530.1971 (F) 510.482.3491 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Off Topic! Auto-opening scocket
Could be spyware, but most don't bother with Macs. Could it be the auto-time setting, or perhaps software update checking in? and of course Adobe and M$ products 'check in with headquarters' sometimes, but you said those were not running. Revolvers, I have a poltergeist or gremlin running my Mac (MOS 9.9.2). I have DSL with SBC and I always close the DSL when I go off-line. Since yesterday afternoon, something is opening a socket to my server. Every 15 minutes, a socket is opened to SBC. At first I thought it was errant script dribbled into the stack I was working on or into the home stack. Today, I closed all apps except Launcher and Stickies and the dohicky strip at the bottom. At precisely 12:45 the socket opened. Every 15 minutes it opened again! I cleared all the cookies. I just check the cookie jar and appears normal except for a site called atwola.com Anyone got an inkling what's happening? Ray G. Miller ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: character sets- missing feature?
On Wednesday, October 1, 2003, at 12:05 PM, Alex Rice wrote: I suspect the mapping to unicode is straight-forward. You might be able to do this yourself. One of my references suggested that for many encodings all you have to do is change the high byte. I am pretty sure this is an oversimplification, but it does indicate that it may not require a table for random mapping. Really? I am kind of a character encoding neophyte- can you hook me up with a reference or a couple of lines of code if you have something in mind? I was wrong. You will need a small table. This is a handy reference: http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/iso8859/ Note: Upper half means A0 (hex) and up. A mapping table is available. I'd use useUnicode and numToChar() to get the host byte order right. It might be almost as easy to make a conversion function for the entire ISO family. Off the top of my head, typed directly into mail: function ISO8859ToUnicode s member local unicodeResult, upperHalfTable buildISO8859Table upperHalfTable, member repeat for each char c in s set useUnicode to false put put charToNum(c) into code -- one-byte charToNum() if code = 127 then set useUnicode to true put numToChar(code) after unicodeResult -- two-byte numToChar() else if code = 160 then put upperHalfTable[c] after unicodeResult else throw bad ISO8859 char! end if end if end repeat return unicodeResult end ISO8859ToUnicode Just looking at this, I can see better ways to do this, but you get the idea. I left buildISO8859Table to you. Remember both keys and elements can be binary, so if you want (and I implied above) you can have one-byte keys and two-byte elements instead of code keys and elements. You might let empty (no entry) mean an error. If you do that, you can move those 'if's above to the table making handler. The table building will need to get the host ordering right if codes are not used. I just learning about unicode and ISO-8859, so watch out. Dar Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Off Topic! Auto-opening scocket
On Wednesday, October 1, 2003, at 03:40 PM, Ray G. Miller wrote: Anyone got an inkling what's happening? Extensions and Control Panels can access the Internet, in addition to regular user apps. Try using Conflict Catcher to turn of extensions, if you have it. Or look for new Extensions or Control Panels installed around the time the problem started and try disabling them (removing them from Extensions or the Control Panels folder) Alex Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Mindlube Software | http://mindlube.com what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: I need Distribution Builder advice
On Wed, 1 Oct 2003 12:15:00 -0600, Alex Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Like Malte, I also construct my App bundles by hand on OS X. Because of the new bundle/package format on OS X you are no longer dependent on the compiler or resedit to create the application file. In addition to the other suggestions, here are some tips I thought of: 1) I wrote a shell script to copy files, including my Rev standalone executable, and my already existing app bundle. Then I double-click on the bundle's Info.plist to edit the other bundle properties with the PropertyListEditor.app # example shell script command to copy the executable file cp FacilityCa_MacOSX_Standalone/FacilityCalculator.app/Contents/MacOS/ Revolution \ NPSFacCalc/FacilityCalculator.app/Contents/MacOS/FacilityCalculator 2) Apple's Project Builder, although it is a compiler, also has really flexible methods of creating application bundles, and has GUI forms for a lot of the bundle properties. You can also add shell scripts to customize the build process. One could use Project Builder to do automate builds of app bundles, even if it's just collecting files from various places and not really compiling any C/C++ code. Thanks to Alex and others who have replied so far: I am collecting all the material and I have some hopes of reaching a reasonable recipe for reliably generating an OSX standalone. But what I realise is that my real wish is that I should not have to understand the topics discussed above just to generate a standalone - I think that RunRev in its guise as a RAD tool should handle this for me. In an ideal world, I don't want to know what a plist is (nor what it contains), or what a shell is, or what a bundle is, or even that Apple's Project Builder exists (let alone having to find it and then learn how to use it), just as I don't want to see, still less analyse or alter, the code of the RunRev IDE, or on the Windows platform have to mess with the Registry. I admire people who do understand these things, and in my way I have been expert in similar arcane matters in other parts of my career (yes, I too was a geek and I was paid to be a geek), but now I want to use the power of RunRev to construct and then deploy apps across different platforms while being protected from the messy details. This to my mind is the true promise of Runtime Revolution for the majority of its potential users. So I want to see the whole standalone creation process smoother, more automated and more truly part of the RunRev experience. Meanwhile I am still eagerly collecting information. Rant over, I guess. Graham -- --- Graham Samuel / The Living Fossil Co. / UK France ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: character sets- missing feature?
On Wednesday, October 1, 2003, at 03:55 PM, Dar Scott wrote: I just learning about unicode and ISO-8859, so watch out. Thanks for the starter, Dar. Although I just realized going character-wise for 1MB+ of text is not going to be practical, I don't think, so I hope to be able to get the engine to do it. Alex Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Mindlube Software | http://mindlube.com what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Saving Preferences
Hi Jan, Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 10:52:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Jan Schenkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Saving Preferences Steer your copy of Revolution to the Transcript Dictionary, and check out the 'invisible' clause for the 'go'/'open' command :-) Hope this helped, -- Oh yes. Thanks. I didn't know it was there. Ken N. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: QuickTime, text fields, closed captioning
Hi Toma, Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 20:04:37 +0200 Subject: QuickTime, text fields, closed captioning From: Toma Tasovac [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is it possible to have a transparent text field on top of a quicktime movie, the way we can put a text field layer over an image? -- Why on top of? Is it critical to the way it looks? Does it have to _look_ like movie subtitles? Screen space issue? I'd just stick a field under the thing, coordinated with the movie. Easy to edit, stays out of the way of the visual part of the movie, things you can't easily do with a real film...the advantage of this venue for presentation. HTH, Ken N. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Modal stacks not working in OS 9
Has anyone run into this problem? I have a handler in my program that modals a substack to allow the user to set a preference. It works fine under OS X. In OS 9 the stack opens up but then after a second it moves to the back behind the top stack. It is still open because the program won't allow you to interact with the main stack. To do anything you have to switch to another application and then return to the standalone, move the main stack and close the modal substack. I haven't tried this out to see if it is also a Windows issue. I just know that it is a problem under OS 9. Thanks, Greg DeVore ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: character sets- missing feature?
On Wednesday, October 1, 2003, at 04:08 PM, Alex Rice wrote: Thanks for the starter, Dar. Although I just realized going character-wise for 1MB+ of text is not going to be practical, I don't think, so I hope to be able to get the engine to do it. But the engine won't do it until 2.1.1? Applescript to textEdit? Dar Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: I need Distribution Builder advice
On Wednesday, October 1, 2003, at 04:01 PM, Graham Samuel wrote: So I want to see the whole standalone creation process smoother, more automated and more truly part of the RunRev experience. Meanwhile I am still eagerly collecting information. Rant over, I guess. File an enhancement request in bugzilla! You got my vote. But also I wanted to emphasize that the OS X app bundle scheme (and APIs not available from Rev) offers more flexibility and features than Revolution could possibly offer, at least in it's current incarnation. App bundles are used not only to store the executable file in, but to package resources, libraries, sounds, media, help files, and so forth. And maintain localized variations for all of the above. So: the OS X app bundle scheme is like your application delivery vehicle. So it's not just a hassle, it's also empowering. It could be worse- you could be forced to use ResEdit like in MacOS10 days. Also- I do recommend installing the Free Mac OS X Developer CD even if you aren't a C programmer because it installs a number of useful utilities like IconComposer, PackageMaker, PropertyListEditor and about 20 others. HTH more :-) Alex Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Mindlube Software | http://mindlube.com what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: QuickTime, text fields, closed captioning
On Wednesday, October 1, 2003, at 12:04 PM, Toma Tasovac wrote: Is it possible to have a transparent text field on top of a quicktime movie, the way we can put a text field layer over an image? if not -- is there any way in revolution to fake closed captioning? (i know i can do this in, say, LiveStage Pro, but I want to implement closed captioning in such a way that the user can stop the movie at any frame, and click on any words in the subtitle -- which Revolution should then take care of, translate etc... Some others have mentioned the alwaysBuffer property. You can also use LiveStage and accomplish what you want. If you have access to Livestage Pro you can create the captioning in text tracks (LSP has a Media Synchronizer that might help) and then create links that within the text that call the DebugStr function. Revolution can trap DebugStr (QTDebugStr player message) messages from a QT movie and respond accordingly. I use this with QTVR and it works great. Keeping the captioning with the movie can be beneficial if you end up deploying the movie on the web as well. -- Trevor DeVore Blue Mango Multimedia [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Tip: A tutorial on character code issues
I am finding this useful as I learn to exploit character encoding with Revolution: http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/chars.html Dar Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: [ANN] libLinedFields
Monte, a very basic question: what does it mean when you say start using the library? I must say I haven't used your libraries yet so I am confused. It means you insert the library into the message path use either: library libLinedFields or start using stack libLinedFields You can also use the Stacks In Use card of the message box. I used the ScriptLibraryInstaller.rev to create a userscript folder in componentes/save. I then placed uLinedFields.rev in that folder, restarted Revolution. I checked in Development -- Plugins --revScriptLibrary to make sure that the library loads on startup. Yet when I try the following script: set the uLinedField of fld Field 1 to true - nothing happens. What am I missing? Start scrolling ;-) The library works for a scrolling field. If you don't have a scrolling field you could just use a static backgroundPattern on the field. Cheers Monte ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: [ANN] libLinedFields
On Tuesday, September 30, 2003, at 11:20 PM, Monte Goulding wrote: I just spent 1/2 an hour working out how to get decent looking alternate color lined fields in Rev. Then I spent another half an hour making a library out of it and uploading it to my rev site ;-) Take a look: www.sweattechnologies.com/rev Monte, This works great. Did a quick test and on OS X.2.6 the margins 2,3,2,8 seemed to work best. If I didn't use 8 as the bottom margin then the last line of text would get cut off. I just fixed it so it can use markings of 8. It means there'a a little bit of grey just before the top line. Cheers Monte ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Off Topic! Auto-opening scocket
Ray G. Miller wrote: I have DSL with SBC and I always close the DSL when I go off-line. Since yesterday afternoon, something is opening a socket to my server. Every 15 minutes, a socket is opened to SBC. If you have a licensed copy of the ultra-cool FTP tool Interarchy, part of its coolness is one of its most powerful but seldom-needed features: it lets you log all Internet activity in and out of your Mac. (For the record I don't have any business relationship with Interarchy, just a deep appreciation for a solid tool sold at a good price.) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation Developer of WebMerge: Publish any database on any Web site ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com Tel: 323-225-3717 AIM: FourthWorldInc ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: I need Distribution Builder advice
Graham Samuel wrote: I admire people who do understand these things, and in my way I have been expert in similar arcane matters in other parts of my career (yes, I too was a geek and I was paid to be a geek), but now I want to use the power of RunRev to construct and then deploy apps across different platforms while being protected from the messy details. If you need to get messy, Apple explains how here: http://developer.apple.com/documentation/MacOSX/Conceptual/SystemOverview/B undles/chapter_5_section_1.html Fortunately that document doesn't appear to have been written bythe same folks who wrote the Inside Mac chapter on Apple events, i.e., it's readable. :) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation Developer of WebMerge: Publish any database on any Web site ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com Tel: 323-225-3717 AIM: FourthWorldInc ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: QuickTime, text fields, closed captioning
Hello again Toma, Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 20:04:37 +0200 Subject: QuickTime, text fields, closed captioning From: Toma Tasovac [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is it possible to have a transparent text field on top of a quicktime movie, the way we can put a text field layer over an image? if not -- is there any way in revolution to fake closed captioning? (i know i can do this in, say, LiveStage Pro, but I want to implement closed captioning in such a way that the user can stop the movie at any frame, and click on any words in the subtitle -- which Revolution should then take care of, translate etc... --- OK forget about the standard fields. You want a QT text track. Simple to create in QT Pro. You don't really need LSP except, as Trevor says, it has a way to synch text tracks. What you should have, though, is QT Pro: http://www.apple.com/quicktime/resources/qt4/us/help/et/pgs/etTxtTrk.htm This Apple tutorial: http://www.apple.com/quicktime/resources/qt4/us/help/et/pgs/etTxtTrk.htm This captioning tutorial: http://www.webaim.org/howto/captions/quicktime/quicktime1.php HTH, Ken N. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: character sets- missing feature?
On Wednesday, October 1, 2003, at 04:21 PM, Dar Scott wrote: But the engine won't do it until 2.1.1? It won't do Polish until 2.1.1- that's OK my app isn't finished yet and Polish is a very very small proportion of the files. But I haven't done much testing to see exactly how many weird character encodings I have to deal with. I think the current uniEncode will cover most but not all of the app's encoding needs. Applescript to textEdit? Or applescript to Safari- but if it comes to that I will put up a dialog for the user- here is the filename, here is what the text encoding might be, now knock yourself out, then hit reload here. :-) Alex Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Mindlube Software | http://mindlube.com what a waste of thumbs that are opposable to make machines that are disposable -Ani DiFranco ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
array on card
I apologize if the answer to this question is terribly obvious, but I would appreciate some help. How can I put an expandable indexed array as an object on a card. For those few who have heard of LabVIEW I am looking for something equivalent to how it handles array display. It looks something like this: __ _ ^| index | | element | -- --- column 1: up down arrows (I did not know how to mimic down arrows.) column 2: index number column 3: indexed array element It would also be great if element could show multiple indexed elements in an expandable vertical column. Thanks for any help. Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: snapshot on XP makes icons wink out
Dar, I did this: Create new stack with a button with the following script: on mouseUp import snapshot from rect the screenrect delete last img end mouseUp position the stack so you can see the icons on the desktop Click the button. Screen flashes and icons redraw. This happens on 4 of 4 WinXP machines. best, Chipp -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Dar Scott Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 12:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: snapshot on XP makes icons wink out On Tuesday, September 30, 2003, at 10:41 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: Yep, this is the existing behavior. The desktop is redrawn each time a snapshot is created. I've mentioned this before as well, and would like to see it fixed. I bugzilla'd this, but it is in _worksforme_.Ken Ray didn't see this either. What video card do you have? On slower machines, some of the windows don't even finish redrawing by the time the snapshot is taken. I have seen the missing image in repeated snapshots, but I had assumed the redrawing was from the previous snapshot. Dar Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Window's Icon
Hi Bob, I've found RR2.1 won't build using a document icon. It works if you apply only an application icon, but if you add a document icon, it won't build the standalone. I've bugzilla'd this. -Chipp ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Running Standalones from the windows desktop - solved
Thanks Alex, Actually my real problem was why Rev was doing this (ie not picking up the correct working directory). However, found it was not Rev. My installer was not setting the 'Start in' parameter of the shortcut, so the standalone was only pickup up the exe from the app dir, then running on the desktop. Being a single exe, there were no errors produced. Lesson learned here. Cheers Steve .. On Wednesday, October 1, 2003, at 03:15 PM, Stephen King wrote: Is there a way that Rev can pick up the real working directory rather than the desktop? (user has option to change the working directory on installation). You can inspect and modify Rev's concept of the working directory with the defaultFolder property. Also beware that Windows 2000 and XP don't allow apps to write to \Program Files\ except by administrator level users. Alex Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Mindlube Software | http://mindlube.com . ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
