Re: Rev difficulty

[Martin Baxter]

Yes, I too suspect so,

To me, the weird capitalisation looks suspiciously like an attempt to
emphasise potential search terms, suggesting that the point of these posts
is to bait RR listarchives with links for this other product SYNOPSIS that
listmembers have not asked about, or expressed any interest in.

Martin Baxter

>Looking at his earlier posts the guy knows a great deal about a
>number of products, as well as design, and is trolling... for what I
>don't know.  But the feigned ignorance is silly while he trots out
>this or that sophisticated comparison to other tools.  At least
>that's the way it seems.
>Mark
>
>>
>> I have no more time for him until he takes the time to answer
>> Scott's question.
>>
>> --
>>  Richard Gaskin
>>  Fourth World Media Corporation
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Re: here is the CLOCKFACE script...coded in 3 MINUTES...17 LINES of CODE

[Dom]

Malte Brill <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Sorry, couldn´t resist

Faites, cher ami :-)

Brilliant, indeed, sort of "Rev widget"!

(need to quote the "minutes" litteral and, perhaps, to declare local
dasecs,daminutes,dahours)

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[FR] Re: Rev difficulty

[Dom]

Scott Rossi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Richard, your function is a good one, however, it is lacking the extended
> ellipsis required for such a filter.

Mais qu'est-ce qu'ils peuvent etre taquins ;-)))

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Re: [ANN] Property List Table

[Richard Gaskin]

Mark Wieder wrote:

Dennis-

What a great tool! My only problem with it is that it's too tall for
my screen, but I resized things a bit and now it's happily living in
my plugins folder for easy reference. Now if it could just be
incorporated into the docs... anyone at runrev listening?


Simpler and maybe more effective:  as a learning tool it's certainly 
valuable, but as a bundled plugin it serves as both a learning tool and 
a testimony of how a new user with little experience crafted something 
really useful for the whole community in an afternoon.


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Re: [ANN] Property List Table

[Mark Wieder]

Dennis-

What a great tool! My only problem with it is that it's too tall for
my screen, but I resized things a bit and now it's happily living in
my plugins folder for easy reference. Now if it could just be
incorporated into the docs... anyone at runrev listening?

-- 
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Re: Rev difficulty

[Judy Perry]

Theft always works for me ;-)

Judy

On Fri, 27 May 2005, Mark Wieder wrote:

> Richard-
>
> Friday, May 27, 2005, 7:21:24 PM, you wrote:
>
> RG> There's another way to learn programming?  Damn someone should have told 
> me.
>
> "Good artists copy, great artists steal" -- Picasso

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Re: Rev difficulty

[Judy Perry]

Ben,

WHAT in BLAZES can you POSSIBLY BE talking
ABOUT?!
!!???!!

?


WT*?


You GET Hypercard but am DUMBFOUNDED utterly AND COMPLETELY by Rev?

WT* AGAIN!

CAN YOU EXPLAIN, exactly, WT* it IS that YOU so DESPERATELY require?

Judy

;.'%AS1

(the last line was added most emphatically by my 5 mo. old chihuahua puppy
walking over my laptop's keyboard:  proof positive that it takes EFFORT to
be so SERIOUSLY ANNOYING and hence not an ACCIDENT)

 On Fri, 27 May 2005
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> ye.i will attend the TEACHING conference tomorrow...
>
> if they cant teach me the principles of REV...then i am not 
> interested...OBJECTS HANDLERS...Transcript...GLOBAL 
> variables...HANDLERcards and their relationship to stack scripts.WHY 
> a stack has a SCRIPT?outside of cards...
>
> if they can't use an EXAMPLE program...that involves these CORE principles 
> inside it...(maybe calling a function too)
>
> if they can't do this example and explain the fundamentals of the language 
> and STRUCTURE of making OBJECTS scriptsand LINKING objects scripts ...to 
> get RESULTS...
>
> then i am not interested in REV


And I'm not interested in quoting this crap further.


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Re: Rev difficulty

[Mark Wieder]

Andre-

Friday, May 27, 2005, 8:54:21 PM, you wrote:

AG> I copied httpd.mc when I was starting the project, but I stealled Rob
AG> and Montes Cookie Functions? that makes me what?

A crazed Brazilian. Now get back to work.

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Re: Problem with accessing Rev. Learning Center

[Judy Perry]

Thanks.  I've always been mystified by this.

But it was never a deal-killer, so I never asked.

Judy

On Fri, 27 May 2005, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> On 5/27/05 8:17 AM, Ralph R. Forehand wrote:
>
> > When I click on the "Learning Center" Channel in the revOnline Viewer it 
> > goes to the following URL;
> >
> > http://revonline.runrev.com/channels/learning_center.rvc.gz
> >
> > and responds with the following message;"Bad Channel
> > The channel URL you have entered does not point to a valid channel stack"
> >
> > What is the correct URL??
>
> It isn't a URL error, it is usually a problem with the cache. You can
> usually fix it if you clear the cache. Click the RR icon in the upper
> right of the online viewer to get a prefs dialog. There is a "clear
> cache" button at the bottom.
>

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Re: Rev difficulty

[sims]

On May 28, 2005, at 12:22 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:



"Good artists copy, great artists steal" -- Picasso



I copied httpd.mc when I was starting the project, but I stealled 
Rob and Montes Cookie Functions? that makes me what?


Brazilian.   ;-)

ciao,
sims
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Re: [INFO] Javascript Colors list

[Stephen Barncard]

thanks Thomas!!

sqb

At 10:08 PM -0400 5/27/05, Thomas McGrath III wrote:
I opened the color stack and got a list of the color names. I am 
sure the RGB script and hex script is in the stack script of the 
color names stack.


FWIW here is the list of names:

AliceBlue
AntiqueWhite


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Re: Anyone using AltBrowser

[Chipp Walters]

Hi Thomas,

Dan, Klaus and Richard are correct.

1) I am away this week, visiting family on the east coast;
2) We are currently working on a Tiger fix. Bummer is, everytime Apple 
upgrades their OS (including dotdot upgrades), they sometimes create new 
problems for us. Because Apple has such a small developer community, 
products like their WebKit don't get tested or used much so, when 
someone like us trys to build a product around what can best be 
described as 'beta-quality Apple software', we end up 'debugging' 
Apple's code as well. Plus, it's difficult if not impossible to get any 
help from Apple unless one is willing to pony up major bucks.


Thankfully it doesn't happen on the Windows side. We'll be sure and post 
when we get the upgrade.


best,

Chipp

Thomas McGrath III wrote:

Hello all,

I can't seem to figure out how to put an AltBrowser into a card on my 
stack. I have sent emails to Altuit but it seems no one is there 
(Chipp???) anyway if someone here has used the library in their own 
stack maybe you could help me understand how to do it.


It is an issue with getting a library that exists in another stack and 
putting that into my existing stack. I read the docs 6 times from 
AltBrowser but after 23 crashes to rev and now an unopenable stack (Yes 
I keep lots of backups so no biggie) I am at a loss.


Hopefully waiting

Tom

Thomas J. McGrath III
SCS
1000 Killarney Dr.
Pittsburgh, PA 15234
412-885-8541

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Re: Rev difficulty

[Mark Swindell]

Looking at his earlier posts the guy knows a great deal about a  
number of products, as well as design, and is trolling... for what I  
don't know.  But the feigned ignorance is silly while he trots out  
this or that sophisticated comparison to other tools.  At least  
that's the way it seems.

Mark



I have no more time for him until he takes the time to answer  
Scott's question.


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Re: [ANN] Property List Table

[Ken Ray]

On 5/27/05 10:01 PM, "Dennis Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I doubt my scripts would be a model of superb Transcript.  Perhaps
> someone can take a look at it and suggest better ways of doing this
> simple table task.  It seemed very clunky to me for the way I figured
> out how to click on the header rows for a sort --but it was quick and
> dirty.

If you don't mind, I'd like to take a stab at it... here's your original
script:

on mouseup
  get me
  if the clickChunk is not empty then
do "put "&the clickChunk&" into x"
put "wd,cd,grp,btn,fld,sb,grc,img,player,EPS,vc,ac" into objList --wd
repeat with i=number of items of objList+1 down to 0
  if x contains item i of objList then exit repeat
end repeat
set itemdel to tab
sort it
if i>0 then sort lines of it descending by item i+1 of each
put it into me
  end if
  set the textcolor of line one of me to blue
  repeat with i=2 to the number of lines of me
if i mod 2 = 0 then get darkred else get black
set the textcolor of line i of me to it
  end repeat
end mouseup

Here's what I suggest as a more optimal way (watch the line wraps):

on mouseUp
  put itemOffset(the
clickText,"wd,cd,grp,btn,fld,sb,grc,img,player,EPS,vc,ac")+1 into tItemNum
  set itemDel to tab
  put me into tData
  sort tData
  if tItemNum > 1 then sort lines of tData descending by item tItemNum of
each
  put tData into me
  set the textColor of line 1 of me to blue
  repeat with i = 2 to (the number of lines of me) step 2
set the textColor of line i of me to darkred
  end repeat
end mouseUp

You can use is the clickText instead of the clickChunk so you can get the
text that was clicked directly. By using 'itemOffset', you can directly get
the comma-delimited item that matches the clickText, and add 1 to it. If the
text isn't found, it will return 0; 0+1 = 1.

Since you already have the location of the matching column in tItemNum, you
can use it to do the sort.

Finally, the 'repeat' control structure allows you to skip every x number of
lines in the data by using the 'step' option; here, I'm using 'step 2' to
make sure that it only handles the even numbered lines. Since by default the
text is black when it is put into the field, you only need to set the blue
and red lines.

I also noticed that you use 'it' a lot (as a result of a 'get'). Since 'it'
is a temporary variable, it's lifespan before it gets changed is usually
very small. So I would recommend using 'put' instead of 'get', depositing
the result into a variable of your own naming (I used 'tData' and 'tItem'
here).

Your sorting routines work because you have an inserted space before
"Property Name", and all the other columns are either X's or blanks other
than the header. This is quite clever! However what might have been better
would be to separate the header into another field that was placed atop the
field with the data in the group. Clicking on the header would cause the
*other* field to sort; the header would be left alone.

Regardless of my attempt at optimizing your scripts, I must say that I am
very encouraged at your rate of progress. Keep up the good work!

HTH,
 
Ken Ray
Sons of Thunder Software
Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: [ANN] Property List Table

[Richard Gaskin]

Dennis Brown wrote:
Thank you for the praise.  I hope the example inspires others to not  be 
afraid to dive in and achieve more than they thought they could.   I 
just wanted to do something useful for others to thank those on  this 
list for all the help they are unselfishly giving to everyone.


I doubt my scripts would be a model of superb Transcript.


Maybe not, but your process is a model for us all.

To dive head-first like that into a problem you knew little about was 
bold; to produce a working and valuable result in just a few hours was 
brilliant.


I don't ever think I can bring myself to putting lower case typing  
characters in front of the names of my variables.  I gave it a try,  but 
I will have to come up with something else, because it just hurts  my 
eyes...


That's precisely why I adopted that style (called "Hungarian-lite", as 
described at 
).


For true readability, yes, few things seem as smooth to the 
native-English-reader's eye as plain English (though I can tell you from 
recently doing a version of one of my projects localized for the UK that 
there's no such thing as "plain English" ).


But programming serves a different function than other forms of writing, 
and often relies on different cognitive processes.


While most text is designed to be read (usually in a sort of 
whole-sentence fashion) programming code is *skimmed* more often than 
it's truly read, usually searching for specific elements.


Code might be truly read once, if the code is passed from one person to 
another, or perhaps if you've put something away for a long time and 
come back to it again so much later that you no longer remember how it 
works.


But in the day-to-day code is skimmed frequently, tracking down bugs, 
adding new features, optimizing, etc.   For these tasks, skimming uses a 
cognitive process more akin to searching than that used for narrative 
reading.


By making variables stand out visually within a block of text does 
indeed jar the eye -- they draw attention to themselves because they're 
different from the rest of the text, which is mostly native language 
keywords.  I know the engine (mostly) works, so I'm most interested in 
quickly identifying the stuff that's uniquely mine.


I also tend to capitalize custom functions and handlers for the same 
reason, to make them more visually distinct on screen, while I leave 
built-in handlers and functions with an initial lower-case character so 
they visually recede.


With variable names I find that describing the type with the first 
letter also lets me rapidly distinguish between element:  I know at a 
glance that pText is declared in the parameter list, while uText is a 
user-defined property and tText is a temporary (local) variable and 
gText is a global; I never need to backtrack to determine where it came 
from.


Sure, it's a bit anal. And there's certainly no harm in defining one's 
own style; after all, part of the joy of programming is self-expression. 
 I know many professional scripters who use quite a wide variety of styles.


I only require Hungarian-lite of contractors; for everyone else I 
encourage them to do whatever feels most right and lets them get through 
the day with the greatest ease.


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Re: Rev difficulty

[Richard Gaskin]

Thomas McGrath III wrote:

What are you really up to? Trying to sell Synopsis? Probably.


Interesting.  I could't read much of his posts because of the odd 
capitalization, but after reading yours I found this snippet from 25 May 
 in which he does rather talk a lot about Synopsis:



Later the same day Scott Rossi asked him the most relevant question:

   If Synopsis does what you need,
   why do you want to learn Revolution?

That question remains unanswered.


So it would appear one of two possibilities is true:

a) He has recently discovered what most of the industry figured
   out in the early '90s:  iconic programming is great if all
   you want to do is what the provided icons have defined, but
   once you want true flexibility it's difficult to be more
   expressive than with textual languages.

   How many award-winning software products were written
   in iconic languages?  Yet just among the members of this
   list there are probably dozens of awards earned, all written
   in textual languages.

   Aside from a few specialized uses like education, the rest
   of the world has largely forgotten about the experiments in
   iconic languages of the '80s and '90s and ship their apps
   using textual languages.

   I can't yet rule out that perhaps Vjstbenz has discovered why.


b) He is a fan or employee of codemorphis (makers of Synopsis),
   and is merely trolling here.


I have no more time for him until he takes the time to answer Scott's 
question.


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Color names and RGB values

[Thomas McGrath III]

The values are one off. In other words the number value is actually 
from the previous lines name.


Duh is me

Sorry.

Tom

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Color names and RGb values Part 2

[Thomas McGrath III]

Ivory , 126,34,23
Ivory1 , 255,255,238
Ivory2 , 255,255,238
Ivory3 , 236,236,220
Ivory4 , 201,199,185
Khaki , 129,125,116
Khaki1 , 173,169,110
Khaki2 , 255,243,128
Khaki3 , 237,226,117
Khaki4 , 201,190,98
Lavender , 130,120,57
LavenderBlush , 227,228,250
LavenderBlush1 , 253,238,244
LavenderBlush2 , 255,240,245
LavenderBlush3 , 235,221,226
LavenderBlush4 , 200,187,190
LawnGreen , 129,118,121
LemonChiffon , 124,252,0
LemonChiffon1 , 255,248,198
LemonChiffon2 , 255,250,205
LemonChiffon3 , 238,233,191
LemonChiffon4 , 205,201,165
LightBlue , 139,137,112
LightBlue1 , 173,216,230
LightBlue2 , 189,237,255
LightBlue3 , 175,220,236
LightBlue4 , 149,185,199
LightCoral , 104,131,139
LightCyan , 231,116,113
LightCyan1 , 224,255,255
LightCyan2 , 224,255,255
LightCyan3 , 207,236,236
LightCyan4 , 175,199,199
LightGoldenrod , 113,125,125
LightGoldenrod1 , 236,216,114
LightGoldenrod2 , 255,232,124
LightGoldenrod3 , 236,214,114
LightGoldenrod4 , 200,181,96
LightGoldenrodYellow , 129,115,57
LightGray , 250,248,204
LightGreen , 160,159,157
LightPink , 144,238,144
LightPink1 , 250,175,186
LightPink2 , 249,167,176
LightPink3 , 231,153,163
LightPink4 , 196,129,137
LightSalmon , 127,78,82
LightSalmon1 , 249,150,107
LightSalmon2 , 255,160,122
LightSalmon3 , 231,138,97
LightSalmon4 , 196,116,81
LightSeaGreen , 127,70,44
LightSkyBlue , 32,178,170
LightSkyBlue1 , 130,202,250
LightSkyBlue2 , 173,223,255
LightSkyBlue3 , 160,207,236
LightSkyBlue4 , 135,175,199
LightSlateBlue , 86,109,126
LightSlateGray , 115,106,255
LightSteelBlue , 109,123,141
LightSteelBlue1 , 114,143,206
LightSteelBlue2 , 198,222,255
LightSteelBlue3 , 183,206,236
LightSteelBlue4 , 154,173,199
LightYellow , 100,109,126
LightYellow1 , 255,254,220
LightYellow2 , 255,255,224
LightYellow3 , 237,235,203
LightYellow4 , 201,199,170
LimeGreen , 130,125,107
Linen , 50,205,50
Magenta , 249,238,226
Magenta1 , 244,62,255
Magenta2 , 255,0,255
Magenta3 , 226,56,236
Magenta4 , 192,49,199
Maroon , 125,27,126
Maroon1 , 129,5,65
Maroon2 , 245,53,170
Maroon3 , 227,49,157
Maroon4 , 193,34,131
MediumAquamarine , 125,5,82
MediumBlue , 102,205,170
MediumForestGreen , 0,0,205
MediumGoldenrod , 52,114,53
MediumOrchid , 204,185,84
MediumOrchid1 , 176,72,181
MediumOrchid2 , 212,98,255
MediumOrchid3 , 196,90,236
MediumOrchid4 , 167,74,199
MediumPurple , 106,40,126
MediumPurple1 , 132,103,215
MediumPurple2 , 171,130,255
MediumPurple3 , 159,121,238
MediumPurple4 , 137,104,205
MediumSeaGreen , 93,71,139
MediumSlateBlue , 48,103,84
MediumSpringGreen , 123,104,238
MediumTurquoise , 0,250,154
MediumVioletRed , 72,204,205
MidnightBlue , 199,21,133
MintCream , 21,27,84
MistyRose , 245,255,249
MistyRose1 , 253,225,221
MistyRose2 , 255,228,225
MistyRose3 , 234,208,204
MistyRose4 , 198,175,172
Moccasin , 128,111,108
NavajoWhite , 253,224,172
NavajoWhite1 , 253,218,163
NavajoWhite2 , 255,222,173
NavajoWhite3 , 234,201,149
NavajoWhite4 , 199,170,125
Navy , 128,106,75
NavyBlue , 0,0,128
OldLace , 0,0,128
OliveDrab , 252,243,226
OliveDrab1 , 101,128,23
OliveDrab2 , 192,255,62
OliveDrab3 , 179,238,58
OliveDrab4 , 153,197,23
Orange , 105,139,34
Orange1 , 248,122,23
Orange2 , 250,155,23
Orange3 , 231,142,23
Orange4 , 197,119,23
OrangeRed , 127,72,23
OrangeRed1 , 246,56,23
OrangeRed2 , 255,69,0
OrangeRed3 , 228,49,23
OrangeRed4 , 194,40,23
Orchid , 126,5,23
Orchid1 , 218,112,214
Orchid2 , 246,125,250
Orchid3 , 228,115,231
Orchid4 , 193,96,195
PaleGoldenrod , 125,56,124
PaleGreen , 237,228,158
PaleGreen1 , 121,216,103
PaleGreen2 , 154,255,154
PaleGreen3 , 144,238,144
PaleGreen4 , 124,205,124
PaleTurquoise , 78,124,65
PaleTurquoise1 , 174,235,236
PaleTurquoise2 , 187,255,255
PaleTurquoise3 , 173,235,236
PaleTurquoise4 , 146,199,199
PaleVioletRed , 102,139,139
PaleVioletRed1 , 209,101,135
PaleVioletRed2 , 247,120,161
PaleVioletRed3 , 229,110,148
PaleVioletRed4 , 194,90,124
PapayaWhip , 126,53,77
PeachPuff , 254,236,207
PeachPuff1 , 252,213,176
PeachPuff2 , 255,218,185
PeachPuff3 , 234,197,163
PeachPuff4 , 198,166,136
Peru , 128,103,82
Pink , 197,119,38
Pink1 , 250,175,190
Pink2 , 255,181,197
Pink3 , 231,161,176
Pink4 , 196,135,147
Plum , 127,82,93
Plum1 , 185,59,143
Plum2 , 249,183,255
Plum3 , 230,169,236
Plum4 , 195,142,199
PowderBlue , 126,88,126
Purple , 173,220,227
Purple1 , 142,53,239
Purple2 , 137,59,255
Purple3 , 127,56,236
Purple4 , 108,45,199
Red , 70,27,126
Red1 , 255,0,0
Red2 , 246,34,23
Red3 , 228,27,23
Red4 , 193,27,23
RosyBrown , 126,5,23
RosyBrown1 , 179,132,129
RosyBrown2 , 251,187,185
RosyBrown3 , 232,173,170
RosyBrown4 , 197,144,142
RoyalBlue , 127,90,88
RoyalBlue1 , 43,96,222
RoyalBlue2 , 48,110,255
RoyalBlue3 , 43,101,236
RoyalBlue4 , 37,84,199
SaddleBrown , 21,49,126
Salmon , 126,49,23
Salmon1 , 225,139,107
Salmon2 , 248,129,88
Salmon3 , 230,116,81
Salmon4 , 195,98,65
SandyBrown , 126,56,23
SeaGreen , 238,154,77
SeaGreen1 , 46,139,87
SeaGreen2 , 106,251,146
SeaGreen3 , 100,233,134
SeaGreen4 , 67,205,128
Seashell , 46,139,87
Seashell1 , 254,243,235
Seashell2 , 255,245,238
Seashell3 , 238,229,222

Color names and RGB values Part1

[Thomas McGrath III]

AliceBlue , 102,204,170
AntiqueWhite , 239,247,255
AntiqueWhite1 , 249,232,210
AntiqueWhite2 , 254,237,214
AntiqueWhite3 , 235,219,197
AntiqueWhite4 , 200,185,166
Aquamarine , 129,116,104
Aquamarine1 , 67,183,186
Aquamarine2 , 127,255,212
Aquamarine3 , 118,238,198
Aquamarine4 , 102,205,170
Azure , 65,124,100
Azure1 , 239,255,255
Azure2 , 239,255,255
Azure3 , 222,236,236
Azure4 , 188,199,199
Beige , 122,125,125
Bisque , 245,243,215
Bisque1 , 255,228,196
Bisque2 , 253,224,188
Bisque3 , 234,208,174
Bisque4 , 199,175,146
Black , 129,110,89
BlanchedAlmond , 0,0,0
Blue , 254,232,198
Blue1 , 0,0,255
Blue2 , 21,53,255
Blue3 , 21,49,236
Blue4 , 21,40,199
BlueViolet , 21,27,126
Brown , 138,43,226
Brown1 , 152,5,23
Brown2 , 246,53,38
Brown3 , 228,45,23
Brown4 , 194,34,23
Burlywood , 126,5,23
Burlywood1 , 216,175,121
Burlywood2 , 252,206,142
Burlywood3 , 234,190,131
Burlywood4 , 198,160,109
CadetBlue , 128,99,65
CadetBlue1 , 87,134,147
CadetBlue2 , 152,245,255
CadetBlue3 , 142,226,236
CadetBlue4 , 119,191,199
Chartreuse , 76,120,126
Chartreuse1 , 127,255,0
Chartreuse2 , 127,255,0
Chartreuse3 , 118,238,0
Chartreuse4 , 102,205,0
Chocolate , 67,124,23
Chocolate1 , 200,90,23
Chocolate2 , 248,114,23
Chocolate3 , 229,103,23
Chocolate4 , 195,86,23
Coral , 126,49,23
Coral1 , 247,101,65
Coral2 , 247,101,65
Coral3 , 229,91,60
Coral4 , 195,74,44
CornSilk , 126,40,23
CornSilk1 , 255,247,215
CornSilk2 , 255,247,215
CornSilk3 , 236,229,198
CornSilk4 , 200,194,167
CornflowerBlue , 129,122,104
Cyan , 100,149,237
Cyan1 , 0,255,255
Cyan2 , 87,254,255
Cyan3 , 80,235,236
Cyan4 , 70,199,199
DarkBlue , 48,125,126
DarkCyan , 0,0,139
DarkGoldenrod , 0,139,139
DarkGoldenrod1 , 175,120,23
DarkGoldenrod2 , 251,177,23
DarkGoldenrod3 , 232,163,23
DarkGoldenrod4 , 197,137,23
DarkGray , 127,82,23
DarkGreen , 169,169,169
DarkKhaki , 0,100,0
DarkMagenta , 183,173,89
DarkOliveGreen , 139,0,139
DarkOliveGreen1 , 74,65,23
DarkOliveGreen2 , 202,255,112
DarkOliveGreen3 , 188,233,84
DarkOliveGreen4 , 160,197,68
DarkOrange , 102,124,38
DarkOrange1 , 248,128,23
DarkOrange2 , 248,114,23
DarkOrange3 , 229,103,23
DarkOrange4 , 195,86,23
DarkOrchid , 126,49,23
DarkOrchid1 , 125,27,126
DarkOrchid2 , 176,65,255
DarkOrchid3 , 162,59,236
DarkOrchid4 , 139,49,199
DarkRed , 104,34,139
DarkSalmon , 139,0,0
DarkSeaGreen , 225,139,107
DarkSeaGreen1 , 139,179,129
DarkSeaGreen2 , 193,255,193
DarkSeaGreen3 , 180,238,180
DarkSeaGreen4 , 153,198,142
DarkSlateBlue , 105,139,105
DarkSlateGray , 43,56,86
DarkSlateGray1 , 37,56,60
DarkSlateGray2 , 151,255,255
DarkSlateGray3 , 141,238,238
DarkSlateGray4 , 120,199,199
DarkTurquoise , 76,125,126
DarkViolet , 59,156,156
DeepPink , 132,45,206
DeepPink1 , 245,40,135
DeepPink2 , 255,20,147
DeepPink3 , 228,40,124
DeepPink4 , 193,34,103
DeepSkyBlue , 125,5,63
DeepSkyBlue1 , 0,191,255
DeepSkyBlue2 , 59,185,255
DeepSkyBlue3 , 0,178,238
DeepSkyBlue4 , 0,154,205
DimGray , 0,104,139
DodgerBlue , 70,62,65
DodgerBlue1 , 21,137,255
DodgerBlue2 , 30,144,255
DodgerBlue3 , 28,134,238
DodgerBlue4 , 24,116,205
Firebrick , 16,78,139
Firebrick1 , 128,5,23
Firebrick2 , 246,40,23
Firebrick3 , 228,34,23
Firebrick4 , 193,27,23
FloralWhite , 126,5,23
ForestGreen , 255,249,238
Gainsboro , 34,139,34
GhostWhite , 216,217,215
Gold , 247,247,255
Gold1 , 212,160,23
Gold2 , 253,208,23
Gold3 , 234,193,23
Gold4 , 199,163,23
Goldenrod , 128,101,23
Goldenrod1 , 218,165,32
Goldenrod2 , 251,185,23
Goldenrod3 , 233,171,23
Goldenrod4 , 198,142,23
Gray , 128,88,23
Gray0 , 190,190,190
Gray0 , 0,0,0
Gray1 , 0,0,0
Gray10 , 21,5,23
Gray100 , 21,5,23
Gray11 , 255,255,255
Gray12 , 21,5,23
Gray13 , 21,5,23
Gray14 , 21,5,23
Gray15 , 21,5,23
Gray16 , 21,5,23
Gray17 , 21,5,23
Gray18 , 21,5,23
Gray19 , 37,5,23
Gray2 , 37,5,23
Gray20 , 21,5,23
Gray21 , 37,5,23
Gray22 , 43,27,23
Gray23 , 43,27,23
Gray24 , 48,34,23
Gray25 , 48,34,38
Gray26 , 52,40,38
Gray27 , 52,40,44
Gray28 , 56,45,44
Gray29 , 59,49,49
Gray3 , 62,53,53
Gray30 , 21,5,23
Gray31 , 65,56,57
Gray32 , 65,56,60
Gray33 , 70,62,63
Gray34 , 70,62,65
Gray35 , 74,67,68
Gray36 , 76,70,70
Gray37 , 78,72,72
Gray38 , 80,74,75
Gray39 , 84,78,79
Gray4 , 86,80,81
Gray40 , 10,10,10
Gray41 , 102,102,102
Gray42 , 105,105,105
Gray43 , 107,107,107
Gray44 , 110,110,110
Gray45 , 100,96,96
Gray46 , 102,99,98
Gray47 , 105,101,101
Gray48 , 109,105,104
Gray49 , 110,106,107
Gray5 , 114,110,109
Gray50 , 13,13,13
Gray51 , 116,113,112
Gray52 , 120,116,115
Gray53 , 122,119,119
Gray54 , 124,121,121
Gray55 , 128,125,124
Gray56 , 130,128,126
Gray57 , 133,131,129
Gray58 , 135,133,131
Gray59 , 139,137,135
Gray6 , 141,139,137
Gray60 , 15,15,15
Gray61 , 143,142,141
Gray62 , 147,145,144
Gray63 , 149,148,146
Gray64 , 153,151,149
Gray65 , 154,153,152
Gray66 , 158,156,155
Gray67 , 160,159,157
Gray68 , 163,162,160
Gray69 , 165,164,163
Gray7 , 169,168,166
Gray70 , 18,18,18
Gray71 , 172,171,169
Gray72 , 174,173,172
Gray73 , 177,177,175
Gray74 , 179,179,177
Gray75 , 183,182,180
Gray76 , 185,184,182
Gray77 , 188,187,186
Gray78 , 190,190,188
Gray79 , 193,193,191
Gray8 ,

Re: Rev difficulty

[Andre Garzia]

On May 28, 2005, at 12:22 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:



"Good artists copy, great artists steal" -- Picasso



I copied httpd.mc when I was starting the project, but I stealled Rob 
and Montes Cookie Functions? that makes me what?


andre


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Re: [INFO] Javascript Colors list

[Thomas McGrath III]

Richard,

Yeah of course I remembered that right after I copied the contents of 
the color names field. But hey I always do that. :-)
I did write a small script to get the RGB equivalent of those names and 
posted the results. Maybe there is a function for that?

I didn't find a way to do the HTML Hex values though. Any ideas?


Loved your BenzFilter.

Still laughing my caps key off.


Tom

On May 27, 2005, at 10:23 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:


Thomas McGrath III wrote:

I opened the color stack and got a list of the color names.


You can also put this in the Message Box:

  put the colornames


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Re: here is the CLOCKFACE script...coded in 3 MINUTES...17 LINES of CODE

[Thomas McGrath III]

you didn't even try to do it yourself
You just looked at someone else's code and decided it must all be that 
way?


Then HOW WOULD YOU KNOW QUALITY TRANSCRIPT at all


On May 27, 2005, at 8:47 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




that seams like QUALITY TRANSCRIPT

the clock face i looked at was 100 lines of code...and awfull


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Re: Rev difficulty

[Thomas McGrath III]

Obviously you are aware of the programming concept of "maybe calling a 
function too" and me thinks you know very well about programming.


What are you really up to? Trying to sell Synopsis? Probably.

Well good luck to you and good bye.

On May 27, 2005, at 8:34 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



if they can't use an EXAMPLE program...that involves these CORE 
principles inside it...(maybe calling a function too)


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Re: Rev difficulty

[Mark Wieder]

Richard-

Friday, May 27, 2005, 7:21:24 PM, you wrote:

RG> There's another way to learn programming?  Damn someone should have told me.

"Good artists copy, great artists steal" -- Picasso

-- 
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Re: Rev difficulty

[J. Landman Gay]

On 5/27/05 7:34 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


ye.i will attend the TEACHING conference tomorrow...

if they cant teach me the principles of REV...then i am not
interested...OBJECTS HANDLERS...Transcript...GLOBAL
variables...HANDLERcards and their relationship to stack
scripts.WHY a stack has a SCRIPT?outside of cards...


Note that each conference deals with a different aspect of Revolution. 
Tomorrow Klaus will present information about the various controls -- 
buttons, fields, scrollbars, etc. We assume you already know a bit about 
the introductory material that has previously been presented. The 
information you are looking for has been partially covered in the first 
two conferences. You should download those stacks from the web page and 
study them. They will answer your questions. These stacks were created 
exspressly for newcomers like yourself, to answer exactly the questions 
you are asking.


The conference stacks are here:





if they can't use an EXAMPLE program...that involves these CORE
principles inside it...(maybe calling a function too)


Funtions will be covered in a few weeks in our Script Anatomy 2 
conference. All the conference stacks are filled with many examples for 
you to study.




if they can't do this example and explain the fundamentals of the
language and STRUCTURE of making OBJECTS scriptsand LINKING
objects scripts ...to get RESULTS...

then i am not interested in REV

i have looked at all the VIDEO tutorialswatched themread all
the INTRO documentsand i am still NO WISER...about the above...


i just find myself STUMBLING throughdeceding on somehting i fancy
trying...then stumbling for DATA..and stuff...

it also seams that this is TRUE of all the REV users out
therethis is why these LISTS are literally JAMMED with
traffic...asking questionsall the time...


The questions and responses you see here are standard for a programming 
list like this one. We consider ourselves a tight community and we help 
each other. This list is the place we all go to get answers to things we 
don't know. I have some trouble believing you don't know what a mailing 
list like this is for.




that can't be a SIMPLE toolto my mind...


Revolution is a complex programming tool. It is not simple. However, it 
is far easier than any other similar programming environment, and while 
it has tremendous power, you can do simple tasks with it nearly 
immediately. The learning curve is easier than most, but harder than 
what you are apparently used to.




HYPERCARD was kind of simple...you know...


Revolution is modeled after HyperCard, and is so compatible in fact that 
it will directly open HyperCard stacks. If you are familiar with 
HyperCard, then you must already know what a script is, a handler, a 
button, and so forth. If you know HyperCard, then you already know at 
least two-thirds of Revolution before you even start up the program for 
the first time.


Your credibility becomes strained here.



but the VARiables video TUTORIAL...IS THE ONLY  reasonable tutorial
ANYHWERE on the rev SITE...

what you end up doing is looking at other peoples CODE...and picking
it apart and trying to understand what the hell is going on


Actually, this is a very good way to learn. I recommend it. I think we 
all do that.




WITHOUT UNDErSTANDING THE BASIC PRINCIPLES of the WHOLE
SYSTEM...which are NOT explained properly...anywhere on the REV
site


This is true, or it was. It was a perceived gap, we started the 
conferences for this exact purpose, and now you will find the first two 
sessions on the web site. More will be added. You will also find some 
excellent overview information in the docs that are accessible within 
Revolution; click on the Documentation icon in the tool bar. In 
particular, read the information under the Topics section, especially 
the parts about scripts and their structure.




maybe you have the answers...CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE ABOVE?


Now you know where to get the information. Download the first two 
conference stacks, and start attending the conferences.




it is basically OBJECT ORIENTATED programming...so a FULL tutorial on
object orientated progamming is REQUIRED as standard


Nonsense. First off, Revolution isn't true OOP. Secondly, you don't need 
to know a thing about OOP to work with Revolution, and in fact, those 
who have high expectations of OOP will be frustrated.




the REV site does not provide this tutorial...as far as i can see...

this, to my mind is a bad sign...


The conferences are addressing this.

Revolution is not a point-and-click pre-made structural tool, it is a 
full programming environment with some very sophisticated capabilites. 
You have to do some coding to work with it. It may be that Revolution is 
not the program for you. Some people cannot master writing code. Others 
find it a source of pleasure containing many "eureka" m

Re: Rev difficulty

[Scott Rossi]

Recently, Richard Gaskin  wrote:

> Here'something to learn from:
> 
> This example will teach how to call a custom function, and how to use
> the built-in function "random" and "toUpper" to modify text.

Richard, your function is a good one, however, it is lacking the extended
ellipsis required for such a filter.  Below is your function with a minor
addition to address the missing characters.

Hope you find this a useful addition.



-- BENZFILTER
--
-- THIS text FILTER returns the text passed into it
-- after randomly TURNING ABOUT one-fourth of its
-- words to UPPER-CASE.
--
-- In keeping with the style WHICH inspired its
-- creation, noise WORDS (insignificant TO the
-- meaning of the sentence) ARE EXCLUDED.
--
function BenzFilter pText
  -- YOU can ADD other noise WORDS to THIS list
  -- BY JUST separating new words with spaces:
  put "A AN IS OF THE" into tNoiseWords
  --
  -- GET the NUMBER of words in the text passed in:
  PUT the number of words of pText into TNUMWORDS
  --
  -- Repeat loop runs ABOUT one-fourth AS many times
  -- as there are words in the TEXT:
  repeat (tNumWords div 4)
--
-- The random function RETURNS a random number:
PUT random(tNumWords) into N
---
--- We USE THAT number HERE to PULL a word out of the TEXT:
GET WORD N of pText
--
-- First we check TO see if IT'S one of our noise WORDS,
-- and IF it is we return to the TOP of this repeat block
-- without DOING ANYTHING FURTHER:
IF it is among the WORDS of tNoiseWords then next repeat
--
-- If IT'S not a noise WORD then we use the toUpper
-- function to change it to all-caps, AND put it back
-- into place in the text:
put toUpper(it) into word N of PTEXT
  end repeat
  --
  -- ELLIPSIS ADDITION
  -- AN EXTENDED SET OF ELLIPSIS IS PLACED AFTER EVERY 7TH WORD.
  -- THEN 'REPLACE' IS USED TO ELIMINATE THE EXTRA SPACE THAT
  -- PRECEEDS THE NEXT WORD
  repeat with W = 1 to number of words of pText
if "." is not in (W/7) then put "" after word W of pText
  end repeat
  replace " " with "" in pText
  --
  --
  -- Last we simply return the result:
  return PTEXT
END BenzFilter



Example output follows:

--

Just how FAMILIAR are you with HyperCardIF you weren't aware that
HYPERCARD stacksALSO HAVE scripts?

HyperCard had TWO typesof objects compared to Rev's ten, onetype of
window to REV'S four, fewerthan a third as many messages, fewerthan
half as many functions, AND ultimatelywas so limited THAT the only
WAY
one could MAKE anything close to NORMALHIG-COMPLIANT software was to
load themselves upwith EXTERNALS, and even THEN you couldn'tEVEN
drag 
a window normally.

With featurescomes learning.
WITH POWER comes responsibility.

KLAUSWILL cover some of what you're askingabout tommorrow, and I'LL
follow up twoweeks later with a discussion of themessage PATH for
more.

--


Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
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Some people like programming...

[Kurt Kaufman]

Some people like programming, some don't.


Some thoughts:

I have to admit that when I am knocking my head against the wall trying 
to determine why the [EMAIL PROTECTED]&* THING WON'T WORK, I'm not the happiest 
camper.especially when I discover that the problem lies with a 
misspelled variable (or something along those lines)!


At the same time, it is thrilling to have something work the way you 
expect, to have a problem solved, to create an application that 
fulfills its need precisely- all the more so when the need is very 
specific and nothing else is available which exactly fits the bill.


Transcript also allows the person with a non-higher-math background 
(such as myself) to work with many math functions in a more verbose 
manner, so that I can at least code the clock face "in 100 lines" (vs. 
the Math Whiz's 13, or whatever), and BOTH scripts work.


-Kurt

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Re: using shell() to kill app on XP Home?

[Dar Scott]

On May 27, 2005, at 7:19 PM, Phil Davis wrote:

I tried the 'for neither' approach but it doesn't work, at least for 
the Mac version of my helper app


Whoops.  I thought the problem was on the Windows side.

Dar
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Re: [ANN] Property List Table

[Dennis Brown]

Richard,

Thank you for the praise.  I hope the example inspires others to not  
be afraid to dive in and achieve more than they thought they could.   
I just wanted to do something useful for others to thank those on  
this list for all the help they are unselfishly giving to everyone.


I doubt my scripts would be a model of superb Transcript.  Perhaps  
someone can take a look at it and suggest better ways of doing this  
simple table task.  It seemed very clunky to me for the way I figured  
out how to click on the header rows for a sort --but it was quick and  
dirty.


I don't ever think I can bring myself to putting lower case typing  
characters in front of the names of my variables.  I gave it a try,  
but I will have to come up with something else, because it just hurts  
my eyes to make the code read like someone had a bad case of the  
typos.  I really want it to read like clear English.  I think I can  
find a way to do that.


Dennis


On May 27, 2005, at 10:28 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:


Dennis Brown wrote:

A quick Guide to Properties for every object type is available  
from  my (see3d) RevOnline user space for any who are interested.




Dennis, that rocks!

No, YOU rock!

You had a question which led you to identify something that would  
be useful to learn from, and then you went the extra nine yards to  
actually build it -- which taught you even more and helps others  
learn too!


Talk about grabbing the bull by the horns!  This is one of the  
finest moments in learning programming I've ever seen.


You will go far in this world

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OT: Tiger's Interface Quirks

[Kurt Kaufman]

Pretty far OT for the Revolution list, but of interest specifically to 
those of us who are writing applications for Mac OS X, a review:


http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/05/26/tiger_ui_review/

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Re: Ben's problems

[Vjstbenz]

ok so you don't like capitalsgod knows whyit is just text

i don't have problems..contrary to the tonnes of emails off this listtha 
have permanent problems

:--)

i'll keep trying

Ben
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Re: [ANN] Property List Table

[Richard Gaskin]

Dennis Brown wrote:
A quick Guide to Properties for every object type is available from  my 
(see3d) RevOnline user space for any who are interested.


Dennis, that rocks!

No, YOU rock!

You had a question which led you to identify something that would be 
useful to learn from, and then you went the extra nine yards to actually 
build it -- which taught you even more and helps others learn too!


Talk about grabbing the bull by the horns!  This is one of the finest 
moments in learning programming I've ever seen.


You will go far in this world

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Re: [INFO] Javascript Colors list

[Richard Gaskin]

Thomas McGrath III wrote:

I opened the color stack and got a list of the color names.


You can also put this in the Message Box:

  put the colornames


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Re: Rev difficulty

[Richard Gaskin]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> ye.i will attend the TEACHING conference tomorrow...
>
> if they cant teach me the principles of REV...then i am not
> interested...OBJECTS HANDLERS...Transcript...GLOBAL
> variables...HANDLERcards and their relationship to stack
> scripts.

Klaus is a great scripter, but I don't think any single Internet chat, 
not even one with Mr. Major, will substitute for experimentation on your 
own.


The conferences, like other learning materials, are a great way to get 
the lay of the land (thank you Jacque for putting those together), but 
they won't walk that land for you.


READING code will get you started.
WRITING code will teach you everything else.

> WHY a stack has a SCRIPT?outside of cards...
...
> HYPERCARD was kind of simple...you know...

Just how familiar are you with HyperCard if you weren't aware that 
HyperCard stacks also have scripts?


HyperCard had two types of objects compared to Rev's ten, one type of 
window to Rev's four, fewer than a third as many messages, fewer than 
half as many functions, and ultimately was so limited that the only way 
one could make anything close to normal HIG-compliant software was to 
load themselves up with externals, and even then you couldn't even drag 
a window normally.


With features comes learning.
With power comes responsibility.

Klaus will cover some of what you're asking about tommorrow, and I'll 
follow up two weeks later with a discussion of the message path for more.



> what you end up doing is looking at other peoples CODE...and
> picking it apart and trying to understand what the hell is
> going on

There's another way to learn programming?  Damn someone should have told me.


> WITHOUT UNDErSTANDING THE BASIC PRINCIPLES of the WHOLE
> SYSTEM...which are NOT explained properly...anywhere
> on the REV site

Ah, that may be the problem.  As with most software, the runrev.com site 
is there to describe the program in general sales terms and to provide 
access to technical support materials.  To learn how to use the program 
you'll want to read the documentation.



> it is basically OBJECT ORIENTATED programming...so a FULL
> tutorial on object orientated progamming is REQUIRED as
> standard

In some loose ways Rev could be seen as related to object-oriented 
programming, but it isn't a true OOP in any formal sense (ask the 
purists about the differences, or go to wikipedia).  So if RunRev spent 
any time at all teaching polymorphism or other ideas central to OOP it 
would merely be a distracting waste of time.



> the REV site does not provide this tutorial...as far as i can see...
>
> this, to my mind is a bad sign...

If a mind insists on looking for detailed documentation at the product's 
web site rather than in the product's documentation, is the problem with 
the product or the mind condemning it?




Here'something to learn from:

This example will teach how to call a custom function, and how to use 
the built-in function "random" and "toUpper" to modify text.


In addition to providing instruction it also has immediate practical 
value:  you can write normal text and run it through this filter to save 
wear and tear on your Caps Lock key.


To use, follow these steps:

1. Make a new stack
2. In that stack create two fields
3. In the first field type normal text
4. Create a button
5. Put this script in the button, then
   switch to the Browse tool and click it:

on mouseUp
  put BenzFilter(fld 1) into fld 2
end mouseUp

--
-- BenzFilter
--
-- This text filter returns the text passed into it
-- after randomly turning about one-fourth of its
-- words to upper-case.
--
-- In keeping with the style which inspired its
-- creation, noise words (insignificant to the
-- meaning of the sentence) are excluded.
--
function BenzFilter pText
  -- You can add other noise words to this list
  -- by just separating new words with spaces:
  put "a an is of the" into tNoiseWords
  --
  -- Get the number of words in the text passed in:
  put the number of words of pText into tNumWords
  --
  -- Repeat loop runs about one-fourth as many times
  -- as there are words in the text:
  repeat (tNumWords div 4)
--
-- The random function returns a random number:
put random(tNumWords) into N
---
--- We use that number here to pull a word out of the text:
get word N of pText
--
-- First we check to see if it's one of our noise words,
-- and if it is we return to the top of this repeat block
-- without doing anything further:
if it is among the words of tNoiseWords then next repeat
--
-- If it's not a noise word then we use the toUpper
-- function to change it to all-caps, and put it back
-- into place in the text:
put toUpper(it) into word N of pText
  end repeat
  --
  -- Last we simply return the result:
  return pText
end BenzFilter


Below is a copy of this post after having been run through the Benz Filter.

--
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Re: Anyone using AltBrowser

[Thomas McGrath III]

Thanks Dan.

I'll try later.

Tom


On May 27, 2005, at 5:10 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:

I do know Chipp is on the road this week. He may not be where he can 
see emails at the moment.


Dan


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Re: [INFO] Javascript Colors list

[Thomas McGrath III]

Stephen,

Turn on UI Elements in REV and look for a stack named: Color Chooser it 
displays a list of the names as well as a list of the RGB values and 
Hex values. Not sure if this is 100% what you were looking for but give 
it a go. It has some nice scripts in it.


Tom

On May 27, 2005, at 4:58 PM, Stephen Barncard wrote:

Right, I didn't know about that whole menu area... nice... but I was 
looking for a simple text list with the hex codes, or a property that 
returned a list..and the color table displays names one by one... 
thanks though..

sqb


At 1:15 PM -0400 5/27/05, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

Stephen,

If you look under the Help menu in Revolution there is a menu "Quick 
Reference Guides"  and in there is the "Color Names Reference" where 
most of these names are located.


HTH

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[ANN] Property List Table

[Dennis Brown]

All,

A quick Guide to Properties for every object type is available from  
my (see3d) RevOnline user space for any who are interested.


Dennis

On May 27, 2005, at 9:35 PM, Dennis Brown wrote:


Thanks Eric,

I used what you sent here to create a stack that displays the  
properties of objects in the spreadsheet like way I wanted.  I also  
made it so that you can click on any object type header and it will  
resort on that column.  That way you can see the types of  
properties for that object first (in alphabetical order) before the  
other object properties.  It would make a nice addition to the  
quick reference guides.


I will upload a copy of it to my user area (see3d) as soon as I  
receive my unlock key from RunRev.


Dennis

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Mp3 success on Windows, too

[Thomas McCarthy]

My previously posted script also works on Windows with these adjustments:
1. change the file paths to windows style.
2. hide the console

replace "/" with "\" in x
set the hideconsolewindows to true

I got a Windows Lame encoder here:
http://www.mp3-tech.org/software/encoders/lamewin32.exe

When you install it, you can check which items you need. (just Lame)

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Re: [INFO] Javascript Colors list

[Thomas McGrath III]

I opened the color stack and got a list of the color names. I am sure 
the RGB script and hex script is in the stack script of the color names 
stack.


FWIW here is the list of names:

AliceBlue
AntiqueWhite
AntiqueWhite1
AntiqueWhite2
AntiqueWhite3
AntiqueWhite4
AntiqueWhite4
Aquamarine
Aquamarine1
Aquamarine2
Aquamarine3
Aquamarine4
Azure
Azure1
Azure2
Azure3
Azure4
Beige
Beige
Bisque
Bisque1
Bisque2
Bisque3
Bisque4
Black
BlanchedAlmond
Blue
Blue1
Blue2
Blue3
Blue4
BlueViolet
Brown
Brown1
Brown2
Brown3
Brown4
Burlywood
Burlywood1
Burlywood2
Burlywood3
Burlywood4
CadetBlue
CadetBlue1
CadetBlue2
CadetBlue3
CadetBlue4
Chartreuse
Chartreuse1
Chartreuse2
Chartreuse3
Chartreuse4
Chocolate
Chocolate1
Chocolate2
Chocolate3
Chocolate4
Coral
Coral1
Coral2
Coral3
Coral4
CornflowerBlue
CornSilk
CornSilk1
CornSilk2
CornSilk3
CornSilk4
Cyan
Cyan1
Cyan2
Cyan3
Cyan4
DarkBlue
DarkCyan
DarkGoldenrod
DarkGoldenrod1
DarkGoldenrod2
DarkGoldenrod3
DarkGoldenrod4
DarkGray
DarkGreen
DarkKhaki
DarkMagenta
DarkOliveGreen
DarkOliveGreen1
DarkOliveGreen2
DarkOliveGreen3
DarkOliveGreen4
DarkOrange
DarkOrange1
DarkOrange2
DarkOrange3
DarkOrange4
DarkOrchid
DarkOrchid1
DarkOrchid2
DarkOrchid3
DarkOrchid4
DarkRed
DarkSalmon
DarkSeaGreen
DarkSeaGreen1
DarkSeaGreen2
DarkSeaGreen3
DarkSeaGreen4
DarkSlateBlue
DarkSlateGray
DarkSlateGray1
DarkSlateGray2
DarkSlateGray3
DarkSlateGray4
DarkTurquoise
DarkViolet
DeepPink
DeepPink1
DeepPink2
DeepPink3
DeepPink4
DeepSkyBlue
DeepSkyBlue1
DeepSkyBlue2
DeepSkyBlue3
DeepSkyBlue4
DimGray
DodgerBlue
DodgerBlue1
DodgerBlue2
DodgerBlue3
DodgerBlue4
Firebrick
Firebrick1
Firebrick2
Firebrick3
Firebrick4
FloralWhite
ForestGreen
Gainsboro
GhostWhite
Gold
Gold1
Gold2
Gold3
Gold4
Goldenrod
Goldenrod1
Goldenrod2
Goldenrod3
Goldenrod4
Gray
Gray0
Gray0
Gray1
Gray10
Gray100
Gray11
Gray12
Gray13
Gray14
Gray15
Gray16
Gray17
Gray18
Gray19
Gray2
Gray20
Gray21
Gray22
Gray23
Gray24
Gray25
Gray26
Gray27
Gray28
Gray29
Gray3
Gray30
Gray31
Gray32
Gray33
Gray34
Gray35
Gray36
Gray37
Gray38
Gray39
Gray4
Gray40
Gray41
Gray42
Gray43
Gray44
Gray45
Gray46
Gray47
Gray48
Gray49
Gray5
Gray50
Gray51
Gray52
Gray53
Gray54
Gray55
Gray56
Gray57
Gray58
Gray59
Gray6
Gray60
Gray61
Gray62
Gray63
Gray64
Gray65
Gray66
Gray67
Gray68
Gray69
Gray7
Gray70
Gray71
Gray72
Gray73
Gray74
Gray75
Gray76
Gray77
Gray78
Gray79
Gray8
Gray80
Gray81
Gray82
Gray83
Gray84
Gray85
Gray86
Gray87
Gray88
Gray89
Gray9
Gray90
Gray91
Gray92
Gray93
Gray94
Gray95
Gray96
Gray97
Gray98
Gray99
Green
Green1
Green2
Green3
Green4
GreenYellow
Honeydew
Honeydew1
Honeydew2
Honeydew3
Honeydew4
HotPink
HotPink1
HotPink2
HotPink3
HotPink4
IndianRed
IndianRed1
IndianRed2
IndianRed3
IndianRed4
Ivory
Ivory1
Ivory2
Ivory3
Ivory4
Khaki
Khaki1
Khaki2
Khaki3
Khaki4
Lavender
LavenderBlush
LavenderBlush1
LavenderBlush2
LavenderBlush3
LavenderBlush4
LawnGreen
LemonChiffon
LemonChiffon1
LemonChiffon2
LemonChiffon3
LemonChiffon4
LightBlue
LightBlue1
LightBlue2
LightBlue3
LightBlue4
LightCoral
LightCyan
LightCyan1
LightCyan2
LightCyan3
LightCyan4
LightGoldenrod
LightGoldenrod1
LightGoldenrod2
LightGoldenrod3
LightGoldenrod4
LightGoldenrodYellow
LightGray
LightGreen
LightPink
LightPink1
LightPink2
LightPink3
LightPink4
LightSalmon
LightSalmon1
LightSalmon2
LightSalmon3
LightSalmon4
LightSeaGreen
LightSkyBlue
LightSkyBlue1
LightSkyBlue2
LightSkyBlue3
LightSkyBlue4
LightSlateBlue
LightSlateGray
LightSteelBlue
LightSteelBlue1
LightSteelBlue2
LightSteelBlue3
LightSteelBlue4
LightYellow
LightYellow1
LightYellow2
LightYellow3
LightYellow4
LimeGreen
Linen
Magenta
Magenta1
Magenta2
Magenta3
Magenta4
Maroon
Maroon1
Maroon2
Maroon3
Maroon4
MediumAquamarine
MediumBlue
MediumForestGreen
MediumGoldenrod
MediumOrchid
MediumOrchid1
MediumOrchid2
MediumOrchid3
MediumOrchid4
MediumPurple
MediumPurple1
MediumPurple2
MediumPurple3
MediumPurple4
MediumSeaGreen
MediumSlateBlue
MediumSpringGreen
MediumTurquoise
MediumVioletRed
MidnightBlue
MintCream
MistyRose
MistyRose1
MistyRose2
MistyRose3
MistyRose4
Moccasin
NavajoWhite
NavajoWhite1
NavajoWhite2
NavajoWhite3
NavajoWhite4
Navy
NavyBlue
OldLace
OliveDrab
OliveDrab1
OliveDrab2
OliveDrab3
OliveDrab4
Orange
Orange1
Orange2
Orange3
Orange4
OrangeRed
OrangeRed1
OrangeRed2
OrangeRed3
OrangeRed4
Orchid
Orchid1
Orchid2
Orchid3
Orchid4
PaleGoldenrod
PaleGreen
PaleGreen1
PaleGreen2
PaleGreen3
PaleGreen4
PaleTurquoise
PaleTurquoise1
PaleTurquoise2
PaleTurquoise3
PaleTurquoise4
PaleVioletRed
PaleVioletRed1
PaleVioletRed2
PaleVioletRed3
PaleVioletRed4
PapayaWhip
PeachPuff
PeachPuff1
PeachPuff2
PeachPuff3
PeachPuff4
Peru
Pink
Pink1
Pink2
Pink3
Pink4
Plum
Plum1
Plum2
Plum3
Plum4
PowderBlue
Purple
Purple1
Purple2
Purple3
Purple4
Red
Red1
Red2
Red3
Red4
RosyBrown
RosyBrown1
RosyBrown2
RosyBrown3
RosyBrown4
RoyalBlue
RoyalBlue1
RoyalBlue2
RoyalBlue3
RoyalBlue4
SaddleBrown
Salmon
Salmon1
Salmon2
Salmon3
Salmon4
SandyBrown
SeaGreen
SeaGreen1
SeaGreen2
SeaGreen3
SeaGreen4
Seashell
Seashell1
Seashell2
Seashell3
Seashell4
Sienna
Sienna1
Sienna2
Sienna3
Sienna4
SkyBlue
SkyBlue1
SkyBlue2
SkyBl

Ben's problems

[Jerry J]

WITHOUT UNDErSTANDING THE BASIC PRINCIPLES of the WHOLE 
SYSTEM...which are NOT explained properly...anywhere on the REV 
site


Hey, Ben, you missed the r in UNDErSTANDING.

Are you threatening to leave us alone?

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Re: Filtering Within Lines

[Gregory Lypny]

Excellent suggestion!  Thank you Malte and Jacqueline.  The only 
modification I made was to put tabs on the right side of searchPhrase 
as well to account for columns that come after the column of interest.  
So, for example, to filter the fourth column of eleven, I have


filter it with "*" & tab & "*" & tab & "*" & tab & "*" & searchPhrase & 
"*" & tab & "*" \
& tab & "*" & tab & "*" & tab & "*" & tab & "*" & tab & "*" & tab & 
"*"


This makes for speedy searches.

Regards,

Greg

On May 27, 2005, at 7:52 PM, Malte Brill wrote:


try adding "*"& before the first tab and &"*" after searchstring. Also
don´t put tab in quotes. (otherwise it will lokk for a string "tab" and
not the tabulator.

filter theField with "*"  & tab & "*" & tab & "*" & tab & "*" &
searchPhrase & "*"

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Property list table help

[Dennis Brown]

Thanks Eric,

I used what you sent here to create a stack that displays the  
properties of objects in the spreadsheet like way I wanted.  I also  
made it so that you can click on any object type header and it will  
resort on that column.  That way you can see the types of properties  
for that object first (in alphabetical order) before the other object  
properties.  It would make a nice addition to the quick reference  
guides.


I will upload a copy of it to my user area (see3d) as soon as I  
receive my unlock key from RunRev.


Dennis
On May 27, 2005, at 1:55 PM, Eric Chatonet wrote:


Hi Dennis again,

My plugin "Objects Picker" uses some code like the following to get  
the properties of an object of a specified type:


on mouseUp
  local tObj, tProps, tPropList
  -
  put the long ID of btn 1 into tObj -- or whatever you want
  put ObjBuiltInProps(tObj) into tProps
  repeat for each line tProp in tProps
do "put the" && tProp && "of" && tObj && "& cr after tPropList"
put tProp & colon & space before line -1 of tPropList
  end repeat
  put tPropList
end mouseUp

function ObjBuiltInProps pObj
  local tPropArray, tProps
  -
  put the properties of pObj into tPropArray
  put the keys of tPropArray into tProps
  sort tProps
  return tProps
end ObjBuiltInProps

May be help you.
Best regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.

Le 27 mai 05 à 16:16, Dennis Brown a écrit :


Yes, I meant built-in  not custom properties.  I guess I should  
wake up first before typing in the morning.  I see so many posts  
about this and that property needing to be set to solve newbie  
problems, that I thought it would be nice to have a cheat-sheet of  
them to refer to.  It seems incredible that nobody has done this  
before.





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Mp3 Recording success (and Ogg)

[Thomas McCarthy]

What you need:
1. A wave file which could be recorded using the built in record file command.
2. A copy of lame (a unix file) You may have to build your own. For Ogg you 
need the oggenc file

Here's the improved script

on mouseUp
  put fld _sound into twavefile --path to original wave
  put twavefile into tmp3file --path to new mp3
  replace ".wav" with ".mp3" in tmp3file --adjust the tag
  put fld _lame && twavefile && tmp3file into x
  get shell(x)
  put it --if you want info
end mouseUp

There are some other commands you can add.
To get more info on them, use this
 put fld _lame && "-?" into x
  get shell(x)


Related note:
I tried to write my copy of lame into a special property of my stack, so I can 
make a sample stack to show folks.
However, when I write out the data to a file, the unix file is always a text 
document (even if I set the filetype to "")

I vaguely remember doing this once with a .au sound file and not having any 
problems.

Any suggestions?
Thanks
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Re: here is the CLOCKFACE script...coded in 3 MINUTES...17 LINES of CODE

[Richard Gaskin]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

that seams like QUALITY TRANSCRIPT

the clock face i looked at was 100 lines of code...and awfull

you must be GOOD at transcript ...to do this clock...in 3 minutes.VERY GOOD 
INDEED...


Malte as a true master.  You should see the games he demo'd at the Euro 
RevCon in Malta last November -- his Transcript is very worth learning from.



still, it does NOT helpwhen the REV tutorials about TRanscript are so BAD...


What parts of them didn't work out for you?

What would you prefer to see?

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Re: using shell() to kill app on XP Home?

[Phil Davis]

Thanks Dar. I tried the 'for neither' approach but it doesn't work, at 
least for the Mac version of my helper app - it's a Unix executable. 
However, shell() works fine for both starting and killing it. I don't 
have the Windows version of this thing yet, but it'll be a DOS app. It's 
a USB device interface app (for a specific device), using HID & low 
level calls on the device side and sockets on the Rev side.


Phil Davis



Dar Scott wrote:


On May 27, 2005, at 3:14 PM, Phil Davis wrote:

To use Rev's 'kill' in this situation, I'll need to get the process 
name from outside Rev (and then I'm not sure if it'll be what Rev is 
looking for, but that's a different issue). That leads me back to 
shell(), since my helper app doesn't show up in 'the openProcesses'. 
Still, if I can find a way to get the PID at app start time and 
preserve it until needed for 'kill', that would be preferable to 
everything else. I'll keep working on it.



You can try 'open process ... for neither' to run it (no "start" 
needed).  And then 'close process'.  I had trouble with 'open process' 
in the olden days and don't use it, but 'for neither' might not have 
those problems.


Dar


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Re: Anyone using AltBrowser

[Richard Gaskin]

Dan Shafer wrote:
I do know Chipp is on the road this week. He may not be where he can  
see emails at the moment.


FWIW, I spoke with Chipp a couple weeks ago about the altBrowser issue 
-- he's aware of the affect Apple's changes in Tiger have had on that 
external, and it's my understanding that his engineer is working on it 
right now.


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Re: here is the CLOCKFACE script...coded in 3 MINUTES...17 LINES of CODE

[Vjstbenz]

yes

that seams like QUALITY TRANSCRIPT

the clock face i looked at was 100 lines of code...and awfull


you must be GOOD at transcript ...to do this clock...in 3 minutes.VERY GOOD 
INDEED...

it would take meDAYS to achieve this

still, it does NOT helpwhen the REV tutorials about TRanscript are so BAD...

hopefully this LESSON tomorrow...will help...

they need to cover the PRINCIPLES of OBJECT ORIENTATED programming...this is 
what is missig from the REV web site tutorials...

cheers

Ben

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Re: Rev difficulty

[Vjstbenz]

ye.i will attend the TEACHING conference tomorrow...

if they cant teach me the principles of REV...then i am not 
interested...OBJECTS HANDLERS...Transcript...GLOBAL 
variables...HANDLERcards and their relationship to stack scripts.WHY a 
stack has a SCRIPT?outside of cards...

if they can't use an EXAMPLE program...that involves these CORE principles 
inside it...(maybe calling a function too)

if they can't do this example and explain the fundamentals of the language and 
STRUCTURE of making OBJECTS scriptsand LINKING objects scripts ...to get 
RESULTS...

then i am not interested in REV

i have looked at all the VIDEO tutorialswatched themread all the INTRO 
documentsand i am still NO WISER...about the above...


i just find myself STUMBLING throughdeceding on somehting i fancy 
trying...then stumbling for DATA..and stuff...

it also seams that this is TRUE of all the REV users out therethis is why 
these LISTS are literally JAMMED with traffic...asking questionsall the 
time...

that can't be a SIMPLE toolto my mind...

HYPERCARD was kind of simple...you know...

but the VARiables video TUTORIAL...IS THE ONLY  reasonable tutorial ANYHWERE on 
the rev SITE...

what you end up doing is looking at other peoples CODE...and picking it apart 
and trying to understand what the hell is going on

WITHOUT UNDErSTANDING THE BASIC PRINCIPLES of the WHOLE SYSTEM...which are 
NOT explained properly...anywhere on the REV site

maybe you have the answers...CAN YOU EXPLAIN THE ABOVE?

it is basically OBJECT ORIENTATED programming...so a FULL tutorial on object 
orientated progamming is REQUIRED as standard

the REV site does not provide this tutorial...as far as i can see...

this, to my mind is a bad sign...

Ben
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Re: use-revolution Digest, Vol 20, Issue 114

[Mark Smith]

Oh COME ON!my guess IS that you ARE working for SYNOPSIS...and you 
are adopting this ABSURD style of CAPITALISING words in order to appear 
NAIVE...while what you're REALLY HOPING to do is to lure ANY newbie 
windows REV PROGRAMMERS who may BE struggling (yes, there is a LEARNING 
CURVE) to GIVE UP and buy Synopsis.


You have TOLD US that you don't want to write ANY CODE at all, in WHICH 
case Rev is CLEARLY not the tool for YOU, and it's ODD that you would 
keep COMING BACK and going ON about Synopsis.


IF the above is TRUE, then good luck to you and YOUR company, but 
pulling LAME and anti-social MARKETING stunts just makes you look 
DESPARATE.


Perhaps you could give US an EXAMPLE of the kind of things you want to 
ACHIEVE through programming, and the GOOD PEOPLE on this list will be 
EVER SO HELPFUL in advising you, but if YOU just WANT a pre-made CLOCK, 
then your way FORWARD is clear.


ALL the BEST

MARK Smith :)

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Re: Filtering Within Lines

[J. Landman Gay]

On 5/27/05 3:45 PM, Gregory Lypny wrote:


Hello Everyone,

Is there a regular expression that would make Filter work on items 
within lines?  What I'm thinking of is a field where a fixed number of 
items on each line is delimited by tabs; in other words, the field has 
columns of variables.  If I wanted to search or filter the fourth item 
specifically, disregarding all other information, I would need a regular 
expression with three tabs and wild cards.  I tried the following, but 
it doesn't work.  I suspect my syntax is wrong.


filter theField with "tab" & "*" & "tab" & "*" & "tab" & "*" & searchPhrase


Does this work?:

filter theField with "*" &tab& "*" &tab& "*" &tab& searchPhrase

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Re: Filtering Within Lines

[Malte Brill]

Hi Greg,

try adding "*"& before the first tab and &"*" after searchstring. Also 
don´t put tab in quotes. (otherwise it will lokk for a string "tab" and 
not the tabulator.


filter theField with "*"  & tab & "*" & tab & "*" & tab & "*" & 
searchPhrase & "*"


Should work.

Cheers,

Malte

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Re: Images and Standalone Build

[J. Landman Gay]

On 5/27/05 1:33 PM, Levi Kendall wrote:


you mean a way to "automate" the import of all referenced images?
Am i getting you right? :-)



Well... even if it was not actually "automated" if there was just a
way to include all the images into either the executeable file, or
perhaps a data file along with it.

Like having:
mainprogram.exe
mainprogram.dat

Where mainprogram.dat would be an archive containing all the .png's
and such needed within the program for images.

Basically just some form of alternative to including all the image
files individually along with the application.


You could always import them into the stack itself before building. Use 
the File menu -> Import as Control -> All images in folder.


If you have a lot of images or they are large, this will really bulk up 
your stack on disk.


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Re: Problem with accessing Rev. Learning Center

[J. Landman Gay]

On 5/27/05 8:17 AM, Ralph R. Forehand wrote:


When I click on the "Learning Center" Channel in the revOnline Viewer it goes 
to the following URL;

http://revonline.runrev.com/channels/learning_center.rvc.gz

and responds with the following message;"Bad Channel
The channel URL you have entered does not point to a valid channel stack"

What is the correct URL??


It isn't a URL error, it is usually a problem with the cache. You can 
usually fix it if you clear the cache. Click the RR icon in the upper 
right of the online viewer to get a prefs dialog. There is a "clear 
cache" button at the bottom.


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here is the CLOCKFACE script...coded in 3 MINUTES...17 LINES of CODE

[Malte Brill]

Sorry, couldn´t resist

on mouseUp
  if the flag of me is empty then set the flag of me to false
  set the flag of me to not the flag of me
  if the flag of me then startClock
end mouseUp

on startclock
  put the long time into myTime
  put myTime into fld 1
  set the itemdel to ":"
  put char 1 to 2 of item 3 of myTime into daSecs
  set the startAngle of grc "seconds" to 90-dasecs*6
  put item 2 of myTime into daMinutes
  set the startangle of grc minutes to 90-daminutes*6
  put item 1 of myTime into daHours
  set the startAngle of grc "hours" to 90-dahours*30-daminutes*30/60
  if the flag of me then send startClock to me in 500 milliseconds
end startclock

Cheers,

Malte

Create 3 oval graphics
set arcangle of each graphic to zero
loc of all 3 needs to be the same
1 field to put the time in

Cheers,

Malte


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Re: using shell() to kill app on XP Home?

[Dar Scott]

On May 27, 2005, at 3:14 PM, Phil Davis wrote:

To use Rev's 'kill' in this situation, I'll need to get the process 
name from outside Rev (and then I'm not sure if it'll be what Rev is 
looking for, but that's a different issue). That leads me back to 
shell(), since my helper app doesn't show up in 'the openProcesses'. 
Still, if I can find a way to get the PID at app start time and 
preserve it until needed for 'kill', that would be preferable to 
everything else. I'll keep working on it.


You can try 'open process ... for neither' to run it (no "start" 
needed).  And then 'close process'.  I had trouble with 'open process' 
in the olden days and don't use it, but 'for neither' might not have 
those problems.


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Re: [INFO] Javascript Colors list....(OT)

[Mark Wieder]

Jim-

Friday, May 27, 2005, 12:12:38 PM, you wrote:

JM> DEAP ANSWERS... TASKS TOO COMPLICATED

Good one. The whingeing of yon wanker reminds me of the time I was
working for a company that produced an award-winning cookbook program.
One day our support staff received a letter commenting on how nice the
program was, but the only problem was that it required a computer...

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install strategy/delete problems

[Pamela Crossley]

Eric, it works great! I would not have found that command for weeks on my own. 
Merci beaucoup!

Pamela

[EMAIL PROTECTED] on 5/27/05 wrote:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

>Hello,
>
>With OS X, apps are folders (bundle)
>Use revDeleteFolder (delete folder deletes only empty folders).
>Here with 10.4.1:
>
>on mouseUp
>   answer file "" -- select any duplicated app bundle
>   revdeletefolder it
>   put the result
>end mouseUp
>
>Works perfectly :-)
>
>Best regards from Paris,
>
>Eric Chatonet.
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Re: All Your Kingdom Are Belong To Me

[Andre Garzia]

On May 27, 2005, at 5:51 PM, Gregory Lypny wrote:

Thank you, Andre.  I guess my patch of dirt, I mean Kingdom, belongs 
to you.  I'll send you the papers.


Where in the online help is the reference to !c?
Greg


Greg,

I really don't know where it is, I just fired the menu builder tool, 
created a checked menu, and inspected the thing to see how it was done, 
never used checked menus before... :P


cheers
andre





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Re: Rev difficulty

[Stephen Barncard]

Ben, it doesn't get better than this product and this group. Fix 
yourself a beer, and hang out here awhile, learn a few things and 
you'll be creating great apps in no time...


Firing in the dark? No, I don't think so, nobody can know 
everything.. we use Rev because we can accomplish what we need faster 
and cooler..but even for me, a  veteran Hypercard geek, the learning 
curve was a bit rocky in the beginning. But I started small, Hello 
World, and worked from there. Once I got past some of the new rules, 
it was intuitive, just like Hypercard was, just 100x more powerful.


Ben if you want to real create software, you have to think out of 
your box a little bit. Your loathing of 'scripting' and desire to 
only use an icon based tool is keeping you from the creativity and 
ingenuity that springs from such an impressive toolbox as Runrev. My 
personal experience with iconic languages was that there were only so 
many icons one could fit in a window, and often they started to blur 
out and not make sense at all...function calls with names of what 
they do sure made more sense to me...an ideal that only Forth gave me 
before hypercard...


There may not be a 'clock' object in the toolbox, but one can be 
fashioned fairly easily from the tools given, and many people on this 
list would contribute to the creation of your idea - and you'd have a 
'custom' clock - your own presentation, rather than a cookie cutter 
idea of what you might have wanted. Then you'd have an object that 
you could use for any project in the future. -- I think Mr. X early 
on offered you a stack with a clock object he created...


I think the only real downside is you might have a little problem in 
scripting some things (like Internet calls) with that capitalization 
thing you do

:)

(just a joke)




At 1:34 PM -0400 5/27/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


sure you can look on these LISTS for answersand that is VERY 
GOOD...but how far do you want to go..with FIRING in THE DARK for 
answers?


Ben

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Re: [INFO] Javascript Colors list

[FlexibleLearning]

 
 
Hi Stephen,
 

You can also use color Converter 2 Pro at 
_www.FlexibleLearning.com/xtalk.htm_ 
(http://www.FlexibleLearning.com/xtalk.htm)   which lists, compares and 
converts Rev, 'safe' and Web colours by  RGB, % and name with additional 
interactive palette popups, name lists,  background info, and other stuff.
 

/H
 

I have been looking for a list of standardized RGB color names to use  
in REV for a while. Today I stumbled on a Javascript FAQ site and 
came  across a nice list of names. So I tried a few of these in REV 
(Mac  OSX).

http://www.javascripter.net/faq/colornam.htm#top

Wow.. all  the ones I tried changed the backgroundcolor in rev...

(in the message  box)
set the backgroundcolor  stack "drawer1"  to sandybrown
set  the backgroundcolor  stack "drawer1"  to navajowhite

this must  be built in to OSXthere's a lot of names, and they even 
make  sense.

sqb

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Re: Fit Content from a script

[Jeanne A. E. DeVoto]

At 7:07 PM -0400 5/26/05, Glen Bojsza wrote:

Thanks, it works but now I am trying to adjust the height as well
because of how the fld gets set (I thought you could set the rect of a
fld without its height or width changing?

I have an image and a field.

I want to have the field position below the image via script so:

set the loc of fld "Site" to the loc of image "Tower" -- centers both objects
put the rect of fld "Site" into tnewPoints
put item 4 of the rect of the image Tower into item 2 of tnewPoints
set the rect of fld "Site" to tnewPoints -- this causes the height of
the fld Site to shrink to 1??
set the height of the fld "Site" to the formattedheight of fld "Site"
-- which still isn't perfect in postion
set the width of fld "Site" to the formattedwidth of fld "Site" --
this works since the rect info on width hasn't changed

Is there a better way? How can you script  the Distribute command -
edge to edge (this is in essence of what I am trying to accomplish)


I'm not completely sure how you want the positions to end up. 
However, for this I think the key is to finish changing the widths 
and heights before you start changing positions. (Changing the width 
or height of the field will change the position of its edges, so this 
needs to be finished first.) Try something like this:


  set the width of field "Site" to the formattedWidth of field "Site"
  set the height of field "Site" to the formattedWidth of field "Site"
  set the loc of field "Site" to the loc of image "Tower"
  set the top of field "Site" to the bottom of image "Tower"
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Re: using shell() to kill app on XP Home?

[Phil Davis]

Thanks to both of you.


Lynch, Jonathan wrote:
> Have you looked at Revolution's Kill command?

To use Rev's 'kill' in this situation, I'll need to get the process name 
from outside Rev (and then I'm not sure if it'll be what Rev is looking 
for, but that's a different issue). That leads me back to shell(), since 
my helper app doesn't show up in 'the openProcesses'. Still, if I can 
find a way to get the PID at app start time and preserve it until needed 
for 'kill', that would be preferable to everything else. I'll keep 
working on it.



Xavier wrote:

try pskill from sysinternals.com. 


Include it in your package (w2k, wxp, w2k3 compatible).
They have a separate version for w9x.

It in their psTools for windows.
Alternative are in the NTResKit and W98Reskit (tskill i think)


Wow - those guys have some great little tools! Thanks for the tip. Using 
their tools will be my fallback position.





-Original Message-

At startup, my Rev-based app uses 'shell()' to start a faceless 
(non-GUI) helper app which runs in the background the entire time my Rev


app is running.

When the Rev-based app quits, I want to kill the helper app. On XP Pro, 
I see that I can use shell commands to do what I want:


   - 'tasklist' lists all processes so I can get the processID
 of my helper app.

   - 'taskkill' lets me kill it.

On XP Home, however, these commands don't seem to be available. Does 
anyone know of any other commands I can use to kill my helper app?

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Re: Anyone using AltBrowser

[Dan Shafer]

I do know Chipp is on the road this week. He may not be where he can  
see emails at the moment.


Dan

On May 27, 2005, at 11:34 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:


Klaus,

I am using Mac OSX 10.3.9 and not Tiger. I think it is not  
understanding the use stack and load externals but not while in the  
IDE that has me confused. It may well be a rather simple problem.  
But I'm not sure.


I was putting the cherry on the ice cream. This is not necessary  
for my final product but would get me many points with the bosses.  
The work I did over the last three weeks has not only impressed the  
powers that be but far surpassed any thing they expected. One  
comment was "Wait, you mean in two weeks you redid what it took our  
Macromedia programmer three months to do? WOW." That was a small  
part of my goal. My bigger goal was to create an engine that I  
could test game ideas out in using our proprietary interface. Going  
through our MM Director guy with less than a perfectly formated  
idea was getting to be too much. SO now I can test out ideas on my  
own and do it in a few days rather than weeks.


I did after all get Nine games created with my engine in one week  
so I know it was done right. Although they are all rather Alpha  
versions but when the bosses saw what the potential was for using  
our interface in new ways they loved it.


So since the project is already a success I don't have to prove  
anything to them at this point but I wanted to show how the  
interface can control a browser. It would satisfy me probably more  
than them.


So maybe the guys are busy getting the Tiger problem fixed and  
that's why they have not been able to get back to me.


I'll wait unless you have some advice pre-tiger.

Thanks again,

Tom

On May 27, 2005, at 1:35 PM, Klaus Major wrote:



Hi Thomas,



Hello all,

I can't seem to figure out how to put an AltBrowser into a card  
on my stack. I have sent emails to Altuit but it seems no one is  
there (Chipp???) anyway if someone here has used the library in  
their own stack maybe you could help me understand how to do it.


It is an issue with getting a library that exists in another  
stack and putting that into my existing stack. I read the docs 6  
times from AltBrowser but after 23 crashes to rev and now an  
unopenable stack (Yes I keep lots of backups so no biggie) I am  
at a loss.




Are you using a Mac and OS X 10.4?

Apple changed the framework "Webkit" or whatsoever and Chipp and  
Chris are

working on an update, as far as i know.

I was lucky and could display at least 1 (one) website before  
altBrowser crashed

on my Tiger :-)



Hopefully waiting



So am i...

Hope that helps, although it won't ease your pain.



Tom

Thomas J. McGrath III
SCS
1000 Killarney Dr.
Pittsburgh, PA 15234
412-885-8541



Regards

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Modifying Tactile Media's bouncer.rev script

[DaveyJJ]

Has anyone ever tried to, or have the slightest clue as to how to,  
modify the excellent Tactilemedia bouncer.rev stack to actually have  
the little "marbles" collide (even semi-realistically) with one  
another or other objects in the window? My seve year old wants to  
know and I have to admit I haven't been able to do it.


David
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Re: [INFO] Javascript Colors list

[Stephen Barncard]

Right, I didn't know about that whole menu area... nice... but I was 
looking for a simple text list with the hex codes, or a property that 
returned a list..and the color table displays names one by one... 
thanks though..

sqb


At 1:15 PM -0400 5/27/05, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

Stephen,

If you look under the Help menu in Revolution there is a menu 
"Quick Reference Guides"  and in there is the "Color Names 
Reference" where most of these names are located.


HTH

Tom


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Re: All Your Kingdom Are Belong To Me

[Gregory Lypny]

Thank you, Andre.  I guess my patch of dirt, I mean Kingdom, belongs to 
you.  I'll send you the papers.


Where in the online help is the reference to !c?
Greg

On May 27, 2005, at 3:57 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:



Yes, I'm a moron.  I've searched through the online help and cannot
find how to place a check mark in front of a menu item in a pop up
button when the item is selected.  I can disable items, change items,
add separator lines, but no check mark.  Sigh...

Greg



Greg,

it's plain simple, just add a !c in front of the item, it will be
checked, easy ain't it?

for example:

"not checked"

then

"!cChecked!"

now... let us talk about the value of your real estate...

cheers
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Filtering Within Lines

[Gregory Lypny]

Hello Everyone,

Is there a regular expression that would make Filter work on items 
within lines?  What I'm thinking of is a field where a fixed number of 
items on each line is delimited by tabs; in other words, the field has 
columns of variables.  If I wanted to search or filter the fourth item 
specifically, disregarding all other information, I would need a 
regular expression with three tabs and wild cards.  I tried the 
following, but it doesn't work.  I suspect my syntax is wrong.


filter theField with "tab" & "*" & "tab" & "*" & "tab" & "*" & 
searchPhrase


Any thoughts?

Greg

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Re: My Kingdom for a Check Mark

[Eric Chatonet]

Hi Greg,

Just put "!c" before the line that you want to be checkmarked.
Have a look to my How-To stack #008 How to build a menu on the fly by  
running

go url "http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/downloads/Managing%20Menus.rev";
into the meassage box.

Le 27 mai 05 à 21:44, Gregory Lypny a écrit :

Yes, I'm a moron.  I've searched through the online help and cannot  
find how to place a check mark in front of a menu item in a pop up  
button when the item is selected.  I can disable items, change  
items, add separator lines, but no check mark.  Sigh...



Best regards from Paris,

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Built-to-order applications: management, multimedia, internet, etc.
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Plugins, tutorials and more on our website

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Re: My Kingdom for a Check Mark

[Levi Kendall]

On 5/27/05, Gregory Lypny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Yes, I'm a moron.  I've searched through the online help and cannot
> find how to place a check mark in front of a menu item in a pop up
> button when the item is selected.  I can disable items, change items,
> add separator lines, but no check mark.  Sigh...
> 
> Greg

Greg,

  I think what you need to do is put a "!c" in front of the item name.
 So "Checkme" would become "!cCheckme".  That is what I've done for
menus anyway.  Good luck.

  -Levi
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Re: Anyone using AltBrowser

[Klaus Major]

Hi Thomas,


Klaus,

I am using Mac OSX 10.3.9 and not Tiger. I think it is not  
understanding the use stack and load externals but not while in the  
IDE that has me confused. It may well be a rather simple problem.  
But I'm not sure.


I was putting the cherry on the ice cream. This is not necessary  
for my final product but would get me many points with the bosses.  
The work I did over the last three weeks has not only impressed the  
powers that be but far surpassed any thing they expected. One  
comment was "Wait, you mean in two weeks you redid what it took our  
Macromedia programmer three months to do? WOW." That was a small  
part of my goal. My bigger goal was to create an engine that I  
could test game ideas out in using our proprietary interface. Going  
through our MM Director guy with less than a perfectly formated  
idea was getting to be too much. SO now I can test out ideas on my  
own and do it in a few days rather than weeks.


I did after all get Nine games created with my engine in one week  
so I know it was done right. Although they are all rather Alpha  
versions but when the bosses saw what the potential was for using  
our interface in new ways they loved it.


So since the project is already a success I don't have to prove  
anything to them at this point but I wanted to show how the  
interface can control a browser. It would satisfy me probably more  
than them.


So maybe the guys are busy getting the Tiger problem fixed and  
that's why they have not been able to get back to me.


I'll wait unless you have some advice pre-tiger.


no sorry, had been working really well on my 10.3.6-9.


Thanks again,

Tom


Regards

Klaus Major
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Re: Need A Simple Web-Based App

[Andre Garzia]

Jim,


look into Jacqueline CGI Tutorial, it resides on 
http://www.hyperactivesw.com, there you'll learn how to talk with your 
server, after that is just carefull planning on your side.


Andre
On May 27, 2005, at 9:02 AM, Jim Carwardine wrote:

Hi Folks... I have a series of small standalone apps that I want to 
make

available to my clients through a web browser

In a quick search of the docs and other sources, I can find many 
references
to cgi and php development.  They all seem to deal with a specific 
problem.

I'm just starting to learn this.

What I'm looking for is a model of a simple web-based app that I can 
use to

understand how to communicate with my provider and develop a simple
web-based application myself.  Does anyone have a reference to such a 
model?

... Jim
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All Your Kingdom Are Belong To Me (was Re: My Kingdom for a Check Mark)

[Andre Garzia]

On May 27, 2005, at 4:44 PM, Gregory Lypny wrote:

Yes, I'm a moron.  I've searched through the online help and cannot 
find how to place a check mark in front of a menu item in a pop up 
button when the item is selected.  I can disable items, change items, 
add separator lines, but no check mark.  Sigh...


Greg



Greg,

it's plain simple, just add a !c in front of the item, it will be 
checked, easy ain't it?


for example:

"not checked"

then

"!cChecked!"

now... let us talk about the value of your real estate...

cheers
andre





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My Kingdom for a Check Mark

[Gregory Lypny]

Yes, I'm a moron.  I've searched through the online help and cannot 
find how to place a check mark in front of a menu item in a pop up 
button when the item is selected.  I can disable items, change items, 
add separator lines, but no check mark.  Sigh...


Greg

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Re: [INFO] Javascript Colors list....(OT)

[Thomas McGrath III]

Jim

H! That's a good one. LOL

ROFL

tom
On May 27, 2005, at 3:12 PM, Jim MacConnell wrote:


 IS it CODE. Stringing together
the shouts doesn't make sense...



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Re: [INFO] Javascript Colors list....(OT)

[Jim MacConnell]

Ben,

First.. Why are you YELLING every so often. IS it CODE. Stringing together
the shouts doesn't make sense...
- - - - - - - 
NEW  PROBLEMS HARMFULL
DEAP ANSWERS... TASKS TOO COMPLICATED

NOBODY TRYING TO HARD ...TO ACHIEVE TO MUCH

REV ...IMMENSE POWER

NEW PERSON ZERO 
TEDIUOS CLOCK FACE SECOND

HAND  CODE 
ACHIEVE DAYS 

LISTS  VERY GOOD... FIRING THE DARK
- - - - - - -
Second...
There actually have been discussions on clock faces (or wheel like controls
and they always seemed pretty straight forward) When you say it took
days, I assume that there was a lot of basic learning going on (or
unlearning).. For a newbie to create something like a clockface (not built
in or prebuilt...I'm sure someone has a clockface stack I could borrow and
reconfigure in near-zero time) is no small feat... Given all that has to go
into a reasonably acceptable clock. 100 lines? Not too bad.. Could be a
good challenge.  It actually sounds more like you're frustrated that it took
you that long to do it

Always interested in new tools I checked Synopsis (since someone
mentioned your clock face example alluded to it ) and it's Windows only? Not
of any interest to me regardless of how powerful. ... I do Mac and PC and
need both.. Not to mention *nix in the future... I don't see why anyone
would do single platform development unless their client specifically
requested that they ignore other future platforms.

Sorry you're disillusioned. I'm surprised that someone who is NEW to Rev
would have such strong opinions about how powerful it is (seeming to have
enough experience programming to know that) and yet accuse it of being
tedious for someone completely new to programming (which again implies you
have experience learning other programming environments and are, in fact,
not that person new to programming) Hmmm  Learning can be tough but
tedious?

While I am basically a lurker and not an active participant on the list, I
find the most of the discussions incredibly useful... Like the recent
database basics thread Not to mention the esoteric Unicode stuff which I
have no clue about.. Good for my brain to try to understand

Anyway.. Sorry if it seems I'm jumping to Rev's defense but for some reason
your SHOUTING struck a chord and I felt I had to respond

Jim


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secureMode revisited

[Mark Wieder]

All-

I did some experimenting with secureMode, and while it's still got
some problems, it does do what it's advertised to do - prevent disk
writes. Attempting a stack save, though, puts the save modal dialog
front and center on the screen with the status message "Wait..." and
never removes it. The IDE is still functional, though.

One thing that wasn't clear to me before is that secureMode is only
for the current session - restarting the IDE sets it back to false,
even if you don't do that explicitly. Nice.

I put a secureMode tester plugin in my revOnline space if anyone wants
to fool around with it.

user: mwieder
stack: Condom

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Re: Images and Standalone Build

[Thomas McGrath III]

Levi,

Hi, If I understand you for distribution it is usually best to provide 
the images with references from a folder outside the app. But if there 
are only a few and you want the app to be by itself than go ahead and 
embed them in the app.


It is really nice to be able to update a program that needs a minor 
image change or icon change with out having to rebuild the app and if 
you send the app to someone else it is easy for them to update things 
this way. The same holds true for stacks. If you have stacks that can 
be replaced then it is easy to update.


I don't copy files in the standalone builder myself so that part I am 
not sure about.


Tom

On May 27, 2005, at 1:58 PM, Levi Kendall wrote:


Hello All,

   Quick question on how to use images with a standalone.  If I have
images in a card that are using *.png files for the source is there
any way to have that data imported into the executeable when I build a
standalone?  I'm currently including them in the list under "copy
files" in standalone application settings.  This creates a folder
where the standalone is built with those image files in it and
everything works normally within the application.  Is there a better
way to do this or am I doing this correctly?

Thanks,
Levi
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Re: [INFO] Javascript Colors list

[Thomas McGrath III]

jeez

you knwo what?i am totally NEW to rev...and am getting 50 emails 
per dayoff this list...about PROBLEMS basically


occasioanlly you get a success story


Not really about problems but rather about LEARNING. There is always a 
better more efficient way to do something and when people are 
discussing them they are in affect trying to learn.
As is the case with most things not all the successes are reported back 
to the list. If someone is working on a problem and a few people are 
contributing to the solution or solutions to it when the do get the 
answer they need they are back to programming and sometimes forget to 
come back to the list and report on what they did and or how they 
solved it.



it strikes methat a lot of the emails...are looking for 
ANSWERS...you knowbut when you look at the TASKS that are bieng 
performed...they are not TOO COMPLICATED


it seams that NOBODY knows how to achieve very much with REVor at 
least...they are TRYING TO HARD ...TO ACHIEVE TO MUCH


This borders on RUDE saying that NOBODY knows very much. But you are 
welcome to any opinion you have. As far as the Tasks are concerned they 
are usually a tiny part of a major project that the programmer has 
stumbled on and when they solve this little bit they are back to doing 
great things. (That's the case with me.)



REV is a massive language...with IMMENSE POWERbut to a NEW 
PERSON...with ZERO porgramming skills...i find it quite TEDIUOS to say 
the least...


a simple CLOCK FACE with a SECOND HAND ticking bytakes 100  lines 
of CODE to ACHIEVEand DAYS of work


sure you can look on these LISTS for answersand that is VERY 
GOOD...but how far do you want to go..with FIRING in THE DARK for 
answers?




Such is LIFE. Why do you feel it necessary to keep pointing out that a 
clock face takes 100 lines of code and DAYS of work


For that matter why do you still capitalize every other word in your 
emails? I know I sent you an email telling you how it is perceived as 
screaming. SO maybe you are screaming?


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Re: Anyone using AltBrowser

[Thomas McGrath III]

Klaus,

I am using Mac OSX 10.3.9 and not Tiger. I think it is not 
understanding the use stack and load externals but not while in the IDE 
that has me confused. It may well be a rather simple problem. But I'm 
not sure.


I was putting the cherry on the ice cream. This is not necessary for my 
final product but would get me many points with the bosses. The work I 
did over the last three weeks has not only impressed the powers that be 
but far surpassed any thing they expected. One comment was "Wait, you 
mean in two weeks you redid what it took our Macromedia programmer 
three months to do? WOW." That was a small part of my goal. My bigger 
goal was to create an engine that I could test game ideas out in using 
our proprietary interface. Going through our MM Director guy with less 
than a perfectly formated idea was getting to be too much. SO now I can 
test out ideas on my own and do it in a few days rather than weeks.


I did after all get Nine games created with my engine in one week so I 
know it was done right. Although they are all rather Alpha versions but 
when the bosses saw what the potential was for using our interface in 
new ways they loved it.


So since the project is already a success I don't have to prove 
anything to them at this point but I wanted to show how the interface 
can control a browser. It would satisfy me probably more than them.


So maybe the guys are busy getting the Tiger problem fixed and that's 
why they have not been able to get back to me.


I'll wait unless you have some advice pre-tiger.

Thanks again,

Tom

On May 27, 2005, at 1:35 PM, Klaus Major wrote:


Hi Thomas,


Hello all,

I can't seem to figure out how to put an AltBrowser into a card on my 
stack. I have sent emails to Altuit but it seems no one is there 
(Chipp???) anyway if someone here has used the library in their own 
stack maybe you could help me understand how to do it.


It is an issue with getting a library that exists in another stack 
and putting that into my existing stack. I read the docs 6 times from 
AltBrowser but after 23 crashes to rev and now an unopenable stack 
(Yes I keep lots of backups so no biggie) I am at a loss.


Are you using a Mac and OS X 10.4?

Apple changed the framework "Webkit" or whatsoever and Chipp and Chris 
are

working on an update, as far as i know.

I was lucky and could display at least 1 (one) website before 
altBrowser crashed

on my Tiger :-)


Hopefully waiting


So am i...

Hope that helps, although it won't ease your pain.


Tom

Thomas J. McGrath III
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1000 Killarney Dr.
Pittsburgh, PA 15234
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Regards

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Re: Images and Standalone Build

[Levi Kendall]

> you mean a way to "automate" the import of all referenced images?
> Am i getting you right? :-)

Well... even if it was not actually "automated" if there was just a
way to include all the images into either the executeable file, or
perhaps a data file along with it.

Like having:
mainprogram.exe
mainprogram.dat

Where mainprogram.dat would be an archive containing all the .png's
and such needed within the program for images.

Basically just some form of alternative to including all the image
files individually along with the application.

   -Levi
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RE: Your chance to prove revolution is the best

[MisterX]

a working modular and visual OO approach like Rev would be king here
wouldn't it? ;) 

Im waiting to see the challenge first ;)

But Dar, the running environment might have to be compiled and read-only...
Will have check the rules of the game... But with net updates or the taoo
library in, it could be fun to blast the competition ;)

Even with just a clean slate stack, im confident! If this was opened to
pre-made libraries, im sure it would be a major war in IDE industry - hey, a
revolution! 

;)

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> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of 
> Dar Scott
> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 19:30
> To: How to use Revolution
> Subject: Re: Your chance to prove revolution is the best
> 
> 
> On May 27, 2005, at 11:24 AM, Marielle Lange wrote:
> 
> >> June 24-27 AND July 9-10.  Hmmm.  I wonder if this will 
> turn into a 
> >> 16-day contest.
> >
> > They give you two days to solve a first problem. Two weeks 
> later they 
> > give you another day to solve a second problem... by adapting the 
> > first program.
> 
> Yeah, but what's to prevent teams from revising and improving 
> in those two weeks?  Maybe they have something clever in the 
> problem where that if not fruitful.
> 
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Re: installing strategy/delete problems

[Malte Brill]

Hi pkc.

just a question, as I don´t know if I get you right.
is the auxilliary stack launched by the executable you are trying to 
delete? If so, you can´t let that stack delete the executable, as it is 
still running. (the engine) Or are you trying to delete the file from 
the newly installed app? this should work the way eric suggested.


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Re: [INFO] Javascript Colors list

[Ken Ray]

On 5/27/05 12:34 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> jeez
> 
> you knwo what?i am totally NEW to rev...and am getting 50 emails per
> dayoff this list...about PROBLEMS basically
> 
> occasioanlly you get a success story
> 
> is it normal to have such amounts of communiction over a programming
> language?...it is not HARMFULLbut it strikes me that people are DEAP in
> tryig to achieve things.

Yes, actually I belong to several programming lists, and this is typical.
Each programmer is trying to accomplish some task, and when they run into
questions or issues they don't immediately know how to work around, they
post to the list. 
 
> it strikes methat a lot of the emails...are looking for ANSWERS...you
> knowbut when you look at the TASKS that are bieng performed...they are not
> TOO COMPLICATED

Well, be careful... "complicated" is variable based on what you're trying to
do, and there is an axiom that says that the simpler and easier something
will be to the user of your product, the longer and more complicated the
code is that made that happen!

For example... suppose you want to make a simple guessing game, allowing the
user to enter a value from 1 to 10, which you then compare against a fixed
"answer" and when they click a button, they are told if they got it right or
not. Simple, no? Just a field and a button with a few lines of code?
Perhaps! But suppose they enter a letter in the field? Or a return? Or
suppose they enter a number greater than 100? Or a number that is not an
integer (like 5.2)? Suppose they don't enter *anything* and just click the
button? Also, will you just have a fixed answer so they can only play the
game once? Or do you need to store the "current" answer? If so, where do you
store it and how do you retrieve it?

All of these issues (and more!) will need to be taken into account to
achieve the best user experience. When you are all done, what you may have
still only have one field and one button, but several dozen lines of code...

> it seams that NOBODY knows how to achieve very much with REVor at
> least...they are TRYING TO HARD ...TO ACHIEVE TO MUCH

Au contraire, mon frere! :-)

Many people are achieving *great deals* with Rev; many of us put out
commercial applications, or work for others to get their applications out;
what you are seeing is just a small fraction of what people are doing - only
what they need help on at that moment.
 
> REV is a massive language...with IMMENSE POWERbut to a NEW PERSON...with
> ZERO porgramming skills...i find it quite TEDIUOS to say the least...

Undertandable... keep in mind that this is akin to spending one's life
renting a house, and now you're trying to learn the skills to *build* that
house... it will be difficult at first, even for an easy-to-learn language
like Revolution, but I can tell you that Revolution is probably one of the
easiest to learn. 
 
> a simple CLOCK FACE with a SECOND HAND ticking bytakes 100  lines of CODE
> to ACHIEVEand DAYS of work

Well, it may be "simple" on the outside, but not on the inside... as I
mentioned above. Also, if it is 100 lines of code and days of work, then
that may be more to the fact that you are a new to Revolution - I'm sure an
experienced Rev developer could do it in far less code and certainly a lot
less time.
 
> sure you can look on these LISTS for answersand that is VERY GOOD...but
> how far do you want to go..with FIRING in THE DARK for answers?

Well, one thing you can do is to find out if someone else has done something
similar to what you are trying to do, and then download their stacks and
look at their code - it can help a lot on the road to learning.

Also, if you are in the United States, there are a couple of Rev user groups
that have been formed that you might be able to take advantage of.

Don't get discouraged! It will be worth it in the end...

Ken Ray
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Re: [INFO] Javascript Colors list

[Cubist]

sez [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
>you knwo what?i am totally NEW to rev...and am getting 50 emails per
>dayoff this list...about PROBLEMS basically...
   And solutions. You wouldn't want to encourage a false impression by 
forgetting about the solutions, would you?

>REV is a massive language...with IMMENSE POWERbut to a NEW PERSON...with
>ZERO porgramming skills...i find it quite TEDIUOS to say the least...
   So why, exactly, *are* you using Rev? You clearly think Synopsis is the 
best thing since sliced bread, infinitely superior to Rev in at least *some* 
ways. Fine. It's your opinion, and you're welcome to it. But since you *do* 
think 
so highly of Synopsis, and you *do* think Rev just doesn't measure up, WHY 
ARE YOU BOTHERING WITH REV IN THE FIRST PLACE? 

>a simple CLOCK FACE with a SECOND HAND ticking bytakes 100  lines of
>CODE to ACHIEVEand DAYS of work
   You do persist in repeating yourself with regards to "a simple CLOCK 
FACE". What happens if a Synopsis user wants *his* clock face to differ, in 
some 
way, from the built-in "clock face object" Synopsis provides? Does Synopsis 
provide for *any* variants, or is the S-user stuck with the built-in model? If 
there's a range of available variants, what happens when none of them suit an 
S-user's needs -- is the S-user screwed, or can he alter things until he gets 
what *he* wants, as opposed to what Synopsis thinks he should be able to have?
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Re: Images and Standalone Build

[Klaus Major]

Hi Levi,


Hello All,

   Quick question on how to use images with a standalone.  If I have
images in a card that are using *.png files for the source is there
any way to have that data imported into the executeable when I build a
standalone?  I'm currently including them in the list under "copy
files" in standalone application settings.  This creates a folder
where the standalone is built with those image files in it and
everything works normally within the application.  Is there a better
way to do this or am I doing this correctly?


you mean a way to "automate" the import of all referenced images?
Am i getting you right? :-)


Thanks,
Levi


Regards

Klaus Major
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Re: testimg my new mail programme: please ignore

[Malte Brill]

>Also I used it on my Acorn RISC machine and know how good it is.

Did you own an archimedes?

That was my *dream-machine* in the late 80´s...

Sorry, couldn´t resist.

Cheers,

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Images and Standalone Build

[Levi Kendall]

Hello All,

   Quick question on how to use images with a standalone.  If I have
images in a card that are using *.png files for the source is there
any way to have that data imported into the executeable when I build a
standalone?  I'm currently including them in the list under "copy
files" in standalone application settings.  This creates a folder
where the standalone is built with those image files in it and
everything works normally within the application.  Is there a better
way to do this or am I doing this correctly?

Thanks,
Levi
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Re: Custom property list table

[Eric Chatonet]

Hi Dennis again,

My plugin "Objects Picker" uses some code like the following to get  
the properties of an object of a specified type:


on mouseUp
  local tObj, tProps, tPropList
  -
  put the long ID of btn 1 into tObj -- or whatever you want
  put ObjBuiltInProps(tObj) into tProps
  repeat for each line tProp in tProps
do "put the" && tProp && "of" && tObj && "& cr after tPropList"
put tProp & colon & space before line -1 of tPropList
  end repeat
  put tPropList
end mouseUp

function ObjBuiltInProps pObj
  local tPropArray, tProps
  -
  put the properties of pObj into tPropArray
  put the keys of tPropArray into tProps
  sort tProps
  return tProps
end ObjBuiltInProps

May be help you.
Best regards from Paris,

Eric Chatonet.

Le 27 mai 05 à 16:16, Dennis Brown a écrit :

Yes, I meant built-in  not custom properties.  I guess I should  
wake up first before typing in the morning.  I see so many posts  
about this and that property needing to be set to solve newbie  
problems, that I thought it would be nice to have a cheat-sheet of  
them to refer to.  It seems incredible that nobody has done this  
before.



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Re: [INFO] Javascript Colors list

[Richard Gaskin]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> is it normal to have such amounts of communiction over a
> programming language?

It is in my experience.  Check out the mailing lists for any other language.

> REV is a massive language...with IMMENSE POWERbut to a
> NEW PERSON...with ZERO porgramming skills...i find it quite
> TEDIUOS to say the least...
>
> a simple CLOCK FACE with a SECOND HAND ticking bytakes
> 100  lines of CODE to ACHIEVE...

...or a thousand lines of code in C.

Programming is learning.  Once you learn one thing, it opens the door to 
learn ten more.


Some people like programming, some don't.

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Re: [INFO] Javascript Colors list

[Dar Scott]

On May 27, 2005, at 11:04 AM, Stephen Barncard wrote:


set the backgroundcolor  stack "drawer1"  to sandybrown
set the backgroundcolor  stack "drawer1"  to navajowhite


Those look like ethnic classifications on a census form.

Seriously...  Some years ago in looking at the physics of color I was 
surprised to find a big book of color names published by NBS.  At the 
time I assumed it was specific to physics work and that psychologists, 
printers, TV techs, and artists had their own standards.  Now, I'm not 
so sure and I suspect there are cross-domain standards.  I think there 
are some web standards for color names.


I like the idea of the use of standards in Revolution.  I think more 
features that almost meet standards should be enhanced and those that 
do should have the extent of compliance documented.  This simplifies 
documentation for Rev and apps made with Rev.  It also lowers the 
psychological cost of learning to use Rev.


Dar

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Re: Anyone using AltBrowser

[Klaus Major]

Hi Thomas,


Hello all,

I can't seem to figure out how to put an AltBrowser into a card on  
my stack. I have sent emails to Altuit but it seems no one is there  
(Chipp???) anyway if someone here has used the library in their own  
stack maybe you could help me understand how to do it.


It is an issue with getting a library that exists in another stack  
and putting that into my existing stack. I read the docs 6 times  
from AltBrowser but after 23 crashes to rev and now an unopenable  
stack (Yes I keep lots of backups so no biggie) I am at a loss.


Are you using a Mac and OS X 10.4?

Apple changed the framework "Webkit" or whatsoever and Chipp and  
Chris are

working on an update, as far as i know.

I was lucky and could display at least 1 (one) website before  
altBrowser crashed

on my Tiger :-)


Hopefully waiting


So am i...

Hope that helps, although it won't ease your pain.


Tom

Thomas J. McGrath III
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Pittsburgh, PA 15234
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Re: [INFO] Javascript Colors list

[Vjstbenz]

jeez

you knwo what?i am totally NEW to rev...and am getting 50 emails per 
dayoff this list...about PROBLEMS basically

occasioanlly you get a success story

is it normal to have such amounts of communiction over a programming 
language?...it is not HARMFULLbut it strikes me that people are DEAP in 
tryig to achieve things.

it strikes methat a lot of the emails...are looking for ANSWERS...you 
knowbut when you look at the TASKS that are bieng performed...they are not 
TOO COMPLICATED

it seams that NOBODY knows how to achieve very much with REVor at 
least...they are TRYING TO HARD ...TO ACHIEVE TO MUCH

REV is a massive language...with IMMENSE POWERbut to a NEW PERSON...with 
ZERO porgramming skills...i find it quite TEDIUOS to say the least...

a simple CLOCK FACE with a SECOND HAND ticking bytakes 100  lines of CODE 
to ACHIEVEand DAYS of work

sure you can look on these LISTS for answersand that is VERY GOOD...but how 
far do you want to go..with FIRING in THE DARK for answers?

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Re: Problems Cutting and Pasting Objects

[Dennis Brown]

Eric,
Don't worry.  I do not take offense from someone offering to help me  
or others.  All information and constructive criticism is welcome here.


Dennis

On May 27, 2005, at 1:22 PM, Eric Chatonet wrote:


Hi Dennis,

Excuse me if I took the opportunity of your problem : it reminded  
me a thing that seems very important to me and I shared it for all :-)

I hope you did not feel offended!
A for Rev IDE cut/copy/paste issues: you are right. Sometimes it  
makes me crazy too!
Could I add that command/control A (select all) has to added to the  
black list :-(


Le 27 mai 05 à 18:45, Dennis Brown a écrit :



Eric,
You are right and I also try to do this whenever I can.  However,  
I have some time critical loops that recur for which I do not want  
to incur the overhead of calling a handler.
But in the case I cited, I was actually in the process of moving  
handlers to consolidate them into one place once I figured out  
that I would use it more than once.






Hi Dennis and above all everyone,

Excuse me if I did not understand correctly your problem but it  
gave me a general thought (may be OT).


Having more than one occurence of any code in a stack might not  
be a good idea...
Don't you think it would be better to have a handler, a function,  
with parameters, arguments... at a higher level?

This avoids errors and makes the maintenance easier...
I am thinking of a rule (among others) that helps me a lot to  
improve my code since years: Eric, never repeat any statement  
anywhere ;-)





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Re: Your chance to prove revolution is the best

[Dar Scott]

On May 27, 2005, at 11:24 AM, Marielle Lange wrote:

June 24-27 AND July 9-10.  Hmmm.  I wonder if this will turn into a 
16-day contest.


They give you two days to solve a first problem. Two weeks later they 
give you another day to solve a second problem... by adapting the 
first program.


Yeah, but what's to prevent teams from revising and improving in those 
two weeks?  Maybe they have something clever in the problem where that 
if not fruitful.


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Re: Problems Cutting and Pasting Objects

[Eric Chatonet]

Hi Dennis,

Excuse me if I took the opportunity of your problem : it reminded me  
a thing that seems very important to me and I shared it for all :-)

I hope you did not feel offended!
A for Rev IDE cut/copy/paste issues: you are right. Sometimes it  
makes me crazy too!
Could I add that command/control A (select all) has to added to the  
black list :-(


Le 27 mai 05 à 18:45, Dennis Brown a écrit :


Eric,
You are right and I also try to do this whenever I can.  However, I  
have some time critical loops that recur for which I do not want to  
incur the overhead of calling a handler.
But in the case I cited, I was actually in the process of moving  
handlers to consolidate them into one place once I figured out that  
I would use it more than once.



Hi Dennis and above all everyone,

Excuse me if I did not understand correctly your problem but it  
gave me a general thought (may be OT).


Having more than one occurence of any code in a stack might not be  
a good idea...
Don't you think it would be better to have a handler, a function,  
with parameters, arguments... at a higher level?

This avoids errors and makes the maintenance easier...
I am thinking of a rule (among others) that helps me a lot to  
improve my code since years: Eric, never repeat any statement  
anywhere ;-)



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Eric Chatonet.

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Anyone using AltBrowser

[Thomas McGrath III]

Hello all,

I can't seem to figure out how to put an AltBrowser into a card on my 
stack. I have sent emails to Altuit but it seems no one is there 
(Chipp???) anyway if someone here has used the library in their own 
stack maybe you could help me understand how to do it.


It is an issue with getting a library that exists in another stack and 
putting that into my existing stack. I read the docs 6 times from 
AltBrowser but after 23 crashes to rev and now an unopenable stack (Yes 
I keep lots of backups so no biggie) I am at a loss.


Hopefully waiting

Tom

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Re: Your chance to prove revolution is the best

[Marielle Lange]

On May 26, 2005, at 8:33 AM, Marielle Lange wrote:


Dar, would you try it again?



ICFP Programming Contest.


Maybe.

June 24-27 AND July 9-10.  Hmmm.  I wonder if this will turn into a 
16-day contest.


They give you two days to solve a first problem. Two weeks later they 
give you another day to solve a second problem... by adapting the 
first program.


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Re: [INFO] Javascript Colors list

[Thomas McGrath III]

Stephen,

If you look under the Help menu in Revolution there is a menu  "Quick 
Reference Guides"  and in there is the "Color Names Reference" where 
most of these names are located.


HTH

Tom

On May 27, 2005, at 1:04 PM, Stephen Barncard wrote:

I have been looking for a list of standardized RGB color names to use 
in REV for a while. Today I stumbled on a Javascript FAQ site and came 
across a nice list of names. So I tried a few of these in REV (Mac 
OSX).


http://www.javascripter.net/faq/colornam.htm#top

Wow.. all the ones I tried changed the backgroundcolor in rev...

(in the message box)
set the backgroundcolor  stack "drawer1"  to sandybrown
set the backgroundcolor  stack "drawer1"  to navajowhite

this must be built in to OSXthere's a lot of names, and they even 
make sense.


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Re: Custom property list table

[Richard Gaskin]

Dennis Brown wrote:

Ken,

Yes, I meant built-in  not custom properties.  I guess I should wake  up 
first before typing in the morning.  I see so many posts about  this and 
that property needing to be set to solve newbie problems,  that I 
thought it would be nice to have a cheat-sheet of them to  refer to.  It 
seems incredible that nobody has done this before.


You may be underestimating your inventiveness:  while it seems obvious 
to you, after working with nearly every xTalk under the sun I've not 
seen such a beast before.


I agree it would be valuable, though.  Very clever -- yes, I'd like to 
see that too.


It may help tide you over in the meantime as you learn about which 
objects have which properties to consider using my 4W Props tool -- it's 
part of my devolution toolkit:



4W Props lists almost every property for every object, minus redundant 
ones ("rect" is there so "left", "top", etc. aren't) and a few read-only 
properties (I'll add those as time permits).


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