Re: how the internet works : the official explanation

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Sorry Andre ,
Having initially noticed your caveat about super intelligence, I decided not to 
write about the pigeons but the next day I'd forgotten that and I wrote it.

Anyway I think people who do not understand pigeon behaviour and might take 
your ideas too seriously should be glad of your explanation.

Your answer just shows that you are much funnier than I realized!
Hope we don't get a tutorial from Dan explaining how to programme pigeons!

Barry Barber

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Re: how the internet works : the official explanation

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The pigeon - airplane metaphore was certainly well contrived by Andre but care 
should be taken in copying it literally (n.b. Peter and Dan).

Pigeons CANNOT make round trips or even deliver outgoing messages!
 If you want one to carry a message you must first take the bird to the 
starting point (probably by plane), attach the message and then send it home 
(hence the name 'homing pigeon').
 That is: only the owner of the pigeon can receive a message carried by it and 
if they try to send OUT a message the bird will
just fly in circles with it around their own house!

Internet-wise this would be like taking a blank message by hand, or snailmail, 
to a friend and waiting for them fill it in and send it back by email!

As for the Senators discorse I can only add the Italian Parliament Member's 
declaration that "internet should be taught in schools", whatever that means, 
anyway most teachers would probably have to learn from the students!

"Every Government should carry a Health Warning"

OK, I'm rambling again.
Thanks for all the kind answers to my first 'ramblings'
Barry



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A Newbie's ramblings.

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May I chip in?
I have just finished my trial period of Media. Seems to be what I have been 
looking for since Hypercard days. However, I am a bit put-off buying by the 
several posts on this list about bugs in the latest version. Have they or will 
they all be sorted out soon?

The lack of internet deployment for stacks is a pity. I had already made plans 
for world wide distribution of the "killer ap" I nearly completed before the 
trial ran out! ;-)
By the way: Hyperstudio can put stacks on the web and viewers can even modify 
them on line in the browser! At least so they say. But then I am neither a 
teacher nor a student nor a child.

As for the List itself. Isn't the PC/Mac controversy ever going to drop out of 
places like this? I have room on my desk for both as well as a Penquin box. 
Revolution is a product that knocks down the barricades, let's try not to 
rebuild them!
Maybe people who cite dubious data about Marketing Shares might like to 
contemplate the following:
 "Statistics are like bikinis, what they show is interesting but what they hide 
is essential!".

Anyway thanks for the many good tips.
Hoping to join you very soon.

Barry


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Re: Reliability of background FTPing

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Jim,

Using Windows XP.

The question is not about checking whether or not the file was transferred
correctly. I'm already 
comparing the sizes before and after. The question is about reliability and
predictability. Is there any 
reason to expect differences in foreground vs background ftp'ing?

Thanks.
Richard

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From: Jim Ault [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
Subject: Re: Reliability of background FTPing 


On 6/15/06 5:52 PM, "Richard Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> (Not sure what happened with the first email. Will try again)
> 
> We have a Rev application that uploads and downloads 1-2 mb files to
> our server approximately 5-10 times per hour. Currently, we are doing
> all of that ftp'ing in the foreground. We'd like to do it in the
> background. The question is about reliability. We have other
> activities ongoing, such as video capture and video replay. Would
> these activities effect background ftp'ing or be effected by it? The
> files must be transferred reliably.

You did not say what operating system you are using.

If Rev only solution, try using one of the following or both approaches:

if there is a file (path and filename) ..dnld began
if there is a file (url binary:/path and filename) .. upload began

set the defaultfolder to (path)
put the detailed files into fileList
--check item 5 of the line of the file you want to track for size change.

Perhaps getting the file size on the ftp server would allow size check
-
A different approach is to set the log field of the process and monitor the
messages posted there.
use libUrlSetLogField, making careful note of the syntax required



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Las Vegas


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Intel native on Mac

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I just got an Intel Mac and was wondering if Rev 2.7 is Intel native yet
(i.e. "Universal")?  I checked the web page and couldn't tell for sure.

If it isn't Universal, when a Universal version projected to be available? 
And, more importantly, can anyone tell me how well (fast) it works under
Rosetta?

Thanks.

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Re: The long answer on when to use a function vs command

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Nice article. Thanks.


On Mar 17, 2006, at 10:57 AM, Geoff Canyon wrote:



On Mar 14, 2006, at 8:31 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote:

Can someone give the long answer on when is it best to use a  
function versus a command? I have a lot to write of both commands  
and functions and have been overly confusing myself. Please give  
at least two examples each with parameters and how to call/use them.


I wrote an article about this. It's at:

http://inspiredlogic.com/articles/functions.html

It gives several examples.

I can summarize it as: Functions Good, Handlers Bad (much of the  
time). ;-)


regards,

Geoff
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Re: Is the list down?

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Oops, I forgot about that.  Let me run to my guiness.1


On Mar 17, 2006, at 11:11 AM, Andy Calloway wrote:


St. Patrick's day, we're all drunk.


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Haven't seen any posts in 2+ hours...
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Haven't seen any posts in 2+ hours...
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Re: Making the move...

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Wow Peter, great!  As one of the "lurkers" who has been toying with  
Revolution before taking a dive, this is indeed inspiring.


Thanks,

Michael


On Mar 16, 2006, at 7:44 PM, Collabyrinth VPN wrote:


Wally

As (your) luck would have it, we're working on exactly such a  
document for the poor unfortunates who will inherit the servers  
once I've wrought havoc on them.


This is pro bono stuff for the fellowship AFAIC, for keeping me  
sober since 1979, so by all means, when it's done and relatively  
stable, I'll release it in the RunRev wild.


Some of the stuff around FastCGI is a bit tricky, but I think the  
documentation will pull you through. If it doesn't, you know where  
to get me.


So, about the coffee ...

Peter Elliott

Wally Rodriguez wrote:

How about a tutorial on how to set up Rev to use FastCGI. For  
those  of us for whom a lot of these terms are totatlly new, it  
would be  great to be able to take advantage of some of these tools.


I know I'm already salivating at the possibilities of merge(),   
something I just learned about on this thread.


W.

On Mar 16, 2006, at 1:34 PM, Collabyrinth VPN wrote:

Forgive the intrusion from a 'lurker', but as I've learned so  
much  from you all the last three months, it's time I gave  
something back.


I'm developing using Ruby on Rails on both Windows XP Pro SP2 &   
(Knoppix) Linux simultaneously.


Rev works just fine with FastCGI. Fwiw, I'd be happy to set up  
some  benchmarks and publish the results next week, if it helps.


A brief general comment. I use and modify the Ruby code to  
handle  the 'unseen' parts, if you will, and Rev to generate what  
the user  sees on the websites. I see Rev as complementary to  
ROR, and it  seems to work well. A good mix.


Cheers from Canada
Peter Elliott



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Re: Not connecting to MySQL 5

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Check this from the MySQL website:

http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/4.1/en/old-client.html

Hope this helps,

Michael Reade

On Mar 15, 2006, at 8:47 PM, Kay C Lan wrote:


On 3/15/06, Martin Baxter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


You need to use a login account whose password is in OLD_PASSWORD
format. Rev can't do the newer format. See MySQL docs for info in the
problems and common errors section.




The only thing I could find was the old_password variable, which  
default
setting was OFF. I set it to ON but it made no difference I still  
get the:


 "Client does not support authentication protocol requested by server;
consider upgrading MySQL client"

message.

Any further help appreciated.
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Re: Making the move...

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Dan,

Thank you for your response.  The main thrust of my apps are as  
desktop apps, both LAN and WAN.  However, there is an increasing  
interest in being able to select some artworks and on the desktop app  
and push the date to a web app for general viewing.


So I anticipate that the web apps would be VERY simple, and it might  
even be possible to push the date into something like PHP-Fusion or  
Joomla!  There's no need to reinvent the wheel.


I have glimpsed at the "pickaxe" book on Ruby, and while it looks  
like a very elegant language, it sure is DEEP.


I have ordered your book, by the way, and look forward to getting my  
hands on it.


All the best,

Michael


On Mar 14, 2006, at 5:42 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:

Pardon me for jumping in here but I just went through a fairly  
extensive and
intense period of working with Ruby on Rails and I'm a sort of long- 
time

Revolutionary so I figured I could add something to the discussion.

Web applications in the sense Ruby on Rails defines them cannot be  
written
in Revolution. You *can* write CGIs and deploy stacks on servers  
and Web
servers but there is, e.g., no Revolution plugin that would allow  
you to
deploy a Rev app on a Web server so that a Firefox user could  
access it.


You can, however, develop what are called Desktop Web Appliances (see
http://www.daniels-mara.com/WebAppliances.htm) using Rev quite  
nicely. And

with Altuit's amazingly powerful altBrowser (
http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/altBrowserCover/default.htm),  
you can
create custom browsers that embed the behavior of Firefox and/or IE  
on OS X
and Windows, respectively. And creating Web-aware Rev apps is  
really a piece

of cake.

So if you just need an app to be able to deal with the Internet/ 
Web, Rev is
perfect. If, OTOH, you really need or want to build apps that  
reside on the
Web and can be accessed out of standard Web browsers, then Rev  
won't work.
In that case, Ruby on Rails is the best tool for creating such apps  
as I've
seen but be forewarned: it's deceptively easy to do simple stuff in  
RoR but
I found it dishearteningly difficult to use it to create anything  
real even

after spending a lot of time, energy and money (see
http://www.danshafer.com/onemind/?q=node/43).

As for REALBasic vs. Revolution, Johnathan Lynch is basically right on
target with his comments. I'd add one more: unless you already know  
BASIC
syntax and/or have some familiarity with a Visual Basic-type  
environment,
Real isn't going to be very easy to learn or use. And as far as I  
can tell,

database stuff is far more mature and accessible in Rev than in Real.

On 3/14/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I will.  Could you please elaborate on the second question is asked:

2) Revolution vs Ruby on Rails?  You mean to say you use Revolution
to write browser enabled web-apps? Something I could access with
Firefox?  If so, I'd love to hear more.

Thanks.

Michael


On Mar 14, 2006, at 12:10 PM, Jonathan Lynch wrote:


If you search the archives, you will find countless RunRev Vs. Real
Basic
discussions.

I think it breaks down to your needs and your programming style.
For me,
RunRev and Transcript just fit with my brain really well.
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Re: Making the move...

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Wally,

Thanks for your input.  Like you, I am not a developer by training.   
I have a few different solutions, written in Filemaker, which target  
mostly Art and Antique galleries.  I have been wondering about  
picking up RealBasic, which looks nice, but not quite as intuitive as  
Revolution.  So I imagine that it will take me little longer to  
become productive in RB than in Revolution. I also wonder whether  
once the learning curve has been conquered, whether Revolution would  
still be faster than RB.  I have a feeling that it would be...


Thanks,

Michael

On Mar 14, 2006, at 3:45 PM, Wally Rodriguez wrote:


Hello Michael:

As a non-developer type I might be able to give you yet another  
perspective on Rev. I own a post-production finishing house for  
commercials. My days are crazy with just my normal job and then I  
have to manage the IT needs and I'm also in charge of engineering.


I did a very small amount of HyperCard programming back in '91-'93  
and have put together a few filemaker pro databases, but basically  
have no experience as a programmer.


The fact that the program can switch from "programming" mode to  
"run" mode while you work makes it very easy and quick to see what  
you're going to get.


Using Revolution I have been able to:

1. Automate our web page generation for client feedback. This is a  
relatively complex setup that reads movies placed in various  
folders on our webserver and with some user input, generates  
password-protected php web pages that look every bit as good as  
others out there.


2. Created a touch-screen interface for iTunes to run on a  
powerbook in my car.


3. Created a slate generator (slates are the identifiers used in  
commercials). This program combines some background image with text  
to create sequential countdowns for our video projects. It runs on  
XP and OSX. In the month or so it's been running it has generated  
over 2000 images!


I'm in the process of building a home-control application that acts  
as a client to iRed (an infrared remote server). The cool thing  
about this app is that it's allowed me to rescue a couple of old  
machines to use as controllers. The standalone client currently  
runs on OS9, XP tablet edition and OSX. This in itself is pretty  
amazing.


All of this while doing the rest of my work and without looking  
back. I strongly recommend the product.


Two things, start with v 2.6.1, (especially if you're going to be  
developing on windows) and I understand that there is a deal where  
you get Constellation for free. It's worth the $50 it costs anyway,  
but free is soo much better! :-)


So I find that it's the easiest way to write code that can actually  
do something without having to lear a complex and cryptic language.


W.


On Mar 10, 2006, at 10:45 AM, Mvreade wrote:


Hi,

I've been playing with Revolution for a few days and am VERY  
impressed with its capabilities and ease of use.


I do however, have a few questions and reservations, which  
hopefully you guys can answer.


I found it a bit buggy (using a iBook G4, 1G of memory, on OSX  
10.4).  The property inspector went blank a few times, the  
application crashed once, the sample database query in the example  
solutions was updating records, demo videos weren't displaying, to  
mention a few.


So the quesiton is, how good of an environment to work on is it?

And how stable are the final applications?

For users who have used Rev for databases, I was wondering what  
it's like to develop a system with, say, 20 tables and lots or  
relationships and methods?


Where would one store all the methods?

For relationships, would one just keep a VERYlong list of Database  
Queries?


Finally, does any one know if Runtime Revolution Ltd has any plans  
to have a connection to an open source, embeddable database, such  
as SQLite?


Thanks for your help,

Michael Reade


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Re: Making the move...

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I will.  Could you please elaborate on the second question is asked:

2) Revolution vs Ruby on Rails?  You mean to say you use Revolution  
to write browser enabled web-apps? Something I could access with  
Firefox?  If so, I'd love to hear more.


Thanks.

Michael


On Mar 14, 2006, at 12:10 PM, Jonathan Lynch wrote:

If you search the archives, you will find countless RunRev Vs. Real  
Basic

discussions.

I think it breaks down to your needs and your programming style.  
For me,

RunRev and Transcript just fit with my brain really well.
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Making the move...

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Josh,

Very strong statements. Wow!  If I may ask for further  
clarification... I have two questions I'd love you expound upon.


1)  RealBasic -- that's the main rival, as I see it.  I haven't  
written big enough apps to test, but it seem that the compiler is  
pretty fast. I wonder how they compare in development and upkeep of  
for database projects.  What are your thoughts about the 2  
development environments?


2) Revolution vs Ruby on Rails?  You mean to say you use Revolution  
to write browser enabled web-apps? Something I could access with  
Firefox?  If so, I'd love to hear more.


Thanks again for you very insightful comments.  I really appreciate  
them.


Michael

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Making the move...

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Kay,

Thank you for your thoughtful and extensive reply.  It sure helps me  
begin to wrap my head around what the development environment is all  
about.


I am, at this point, playing with both Revolution and RealBasic, and  
I'll probably be making a decision within the month. Your reply has  
been a great help.


Thanks.

Michael
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Re: Two very simple questions

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Sorry,

previous message, was a mistake.

Jose

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Re: Two very simple questions

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Hi Csaba,

unfortunately I can't help you, I have no experience whit those tools.

Thanks,
Jose

> 
> 
> Btw. while we're at the subject of bugs, I took a screenshot of another 
> one:
> 
> http://upl.silentwhisper.net/uplfolders/upload9/screenshot_65812.gif
> 
> That text box and the revDocLibrary button appears "after some time". I 
> don't know how to reproduce it, but it happenned to me on more than 
> just one occasion. Usually I have some application that I'm writing, and 
> I switch over to the browser to see something, then perhaps switch to 
> playing some music, then I switch back to Revolution and there it is. And 
> it can't be removed, the button remains there above the dictionary list 
> box, and to see what's underneath the button I have to click on a list 
> item to select it, and then it will display its text.
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RE: altBrowser does not work on MAC

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Ban,

Goto

http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/altBrowserDeveloperSite/default.htm

and login with the username and password you were sent when you bought
altBrowser...

goto the devkit section and download the latest version of the altBrowser
component.  The latest version is 1.5 and fixed documented problems in
webkit with 10.3.9 and 10.4.

The address for support of this nature from Altuit is [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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From: Ban Nguyen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 16:33:51 -0700
To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
Subject: RE: altBrowser does not work on MAC


> From: Ban Nguyen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: 25 August 2005 6:46:13 AM GMT+10:00
> To: How to use Revolution 
> Subject: altBrowser does not work on MAC
> Reply-To: How to use Revolution 
>
>
> I have altBrowser 1.043 and it works fine on PC but it does not work
on
> MAC OSX.  Anyone know what I should do to make it works?

Works fine for me but you need OS 10.3 or later. Is that the problem?

Terry...



I have OS 10.3

I import altBrowser.dll by going to properties inspector - external
references then open the file altBrowser.dll now it imported in there
but I cannot import altBrowser.bundle


I also have this code in the stack

on startUp
  set the externals of this stack to "altBrowser.dll" &cr&
"altBrowser.bundle"
end startup





Thank you






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RE: developing win32 externals...

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Andre,

One of the things to watch for is whether you're using any binary libraries
(static or dynamic) in your code that were built by someone else.  If the
libraries were built with visual studio and you try to link them with
bloodshed you'll get linker errors. (in particular, I've had this problem
with some mysql and imagemagick libs)

If you're just building code you've compiled I highly recommend the
bloodshed ide for mingw/gcc, its the only environment besides vs where i've
ever been able to get the debugger to work correctly with rev.

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cb

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From: Andre Garzia [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 10:33:15 -0300
To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
Subject: developing win32 externals...


Hi Folks,

I am now trying to build some externals for both mac and win32  
machines. I plan to use XCode on the mac side but on the win32 side I  
have no clue. I'd like not to use Visual Studio, it's too bloated for  
my modest machine. I'd settle for DJGPP or Cygwin or whatever... If I  
could cross compile in XCode or GCC then it would be marvelous. Can  
someone shed a light here?

Cheers
andre
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RE: [Slightly OT] Ransomware as a Model for Rev Toolmaking?

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Just checked my handy copy of Jacques Pepin's "Cooking for Capitalists" and
thats the exact recipe for camel. ;-)

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Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 11:05:12 EDT
To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
Subject: RE: [Slightly OT] Ransomware as a Model for Rev Toolmaking?


Dan,
 Why not a capitalist/capitalist model:
1. Developer or users suggest a tool/product & define specs.
2. One or more developers bid to create the tool/product per spec. at a 
specific price
3. "Investors" provide the money and get "ownership" based on the 
percentage they contributed
4. When the tool/product is finished all the investors get free copies
5.  As the finished tool/product is sold, profits are divided among the 
investors.

 We are actually doing this now - except the developer and investor are 
usually the same person.
PL
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Re: custom cursor

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>Date: 9-Jun-2005 10:00:45 -0400
>From: "Ken Ray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Reply-To: "How to use Revolution" 
>To: "Use Revolution List" 
>Subject: Re: custom cursor
>
>On 6/9/05 12:46 AM, "Nicolas Cueto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I need a big (and cute!) cursor for a
>> preKindergarten stack I made.
>> 
>> The docs advise custom cursors be three
>> colors, while a writer in the archives (Ken
>> Ray) suggests using Rev's editing tools to
>> draw my own cursor.
>> 
>> Well, first I tried the draw-your-own advise
>> and  made a standalone to test it out.
>> However, this command failed
>> 
>> on mouseUp
>>   set cursor to [image id number]
>
>NIcolas, can you try:
>
>  set the cursor to [image id number]
>
>?? I think you need the "the".

You might also want to include "lock cursor" so that it will not reset.

If you do not use "lock cursor", the cursor will change for a very short time 
(so short you might not notice the change at all!). Locking the cursor will 
make a difference and give persistence to the object.

You will need to think about cursor changes inside different objects. So 
consider what will happen "on enterfield", etc.

Regards,

Raymond E. Griffith


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Re: Kiosk mode

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> > backdrop
> VERY minimalistic!
> In a hurry? ;-)

no.. he just wanted to know what the command was ^_^


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Re: Kiosk mode

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backdrop


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Re: Crashing during printing

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> What happens if you use Preview of Print to PDF instead of actually  
> printing? Does that crash too?

Yup.. Clicking any 3 of the buttons in the print window (Preview, Save PDF, 
Print) all result in 
129 pages being "Processed" and then a crash (Do you want to submit this to 
Apple).. RunRev 
2.0.3 made it to 130 pages ;-)

I need to be able to print anywhere from 1 page documents to 1000-plus 
documents.. It's a 
niche tool custom written for the company I work for, but if I can't print from 
RunRev I'll have to 
look at other environments to program in for this (which is too bad because the 
other tools are 
in RunRev and I was hoping to just convert this into a plugin for the main 
program)..


> I think Chipp's solution of printing in batches would be the best

Not in this situation.. I did re-write the code to batch the print in 100's but 
everytime I had the 
print dialog appear, not too good for something that's supposed to be 
automated.. 


-Sean
[Mac OS X 10.3.9, 1GB RAM, RunRev 2.0.3/2.5.1, no third party plugins, no 
libraries loaded]


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Crashing during printing

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RunRev 2.5.1
Mac OS X 10.3.9

I've created a stack is used to create multi-page documents (hundreds and 
thousands) and 
whenever I try to print it makes it up to "Processing Page: 129" and then 
crashes. This is 
happening in standalones, as well as in the IDE (stopped and running).

Anyone else having problems printing huge documents? Each card is one 8.5x11 
sheet of paper 
(it's all been worked out).

-Sean


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Re: Web Pages in a Field

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the "garbage" you're seeing is CSS


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Re: paypal button

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>I know you can launch a webpage from within a runrev app, however, is it
>possible to have a paypal button (generated by a paypal script) just like a
>webpage, embedded in a rev stack? This would launch the default browser 

oddly enough i've started work on a paypal library.. 


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[ANN] libSmtp 2.5.0 (oh.. and I'm back online)

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Well after a _long_ time away from a computer and the internet, I'm back. (and 
there was much 
rejoice)..

Anywho, I've released a new version of libSmtp (2.5.0) and have put up a new 
website located at 
a new address (it's still shaosean.tk, but some people were linking directly to 
my "unitz.ca" 
address and that's still the old site and files)..

I have lots of new libraries planned for the near future, so prepare ^_^

-Sean


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Pinging

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Suggestions for a reliable, quick way to assess if a valid Internet
connection is present (it's something my program will need to do every five
minutes or so).

Thanks.
Richard Miller
Imprinter Technologies


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more on my error

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Here's something else that's interesting - whatever line the "libSmtpConnect" 
is on in the 
button's mouseUp handler is the same line that is being returned as the error.


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WTF! An error with my comments?!

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I added about 5 lines of code to the smtp library and now runrev refuses to do 
anything with it 
stating there's an error with the comments (well it looks like the second line 
of the stack script 
irregardless of what's there).

Here's the error from the error dialog
executing at 7:50:05 PM
TypeObject Name:
Object  libSmtp250
Line# File Name .: libSmtp
Hint2

The stack script window closes fine (no errors) and it can be compiled into an 
application (but 
even the application doesn't work).

Now, before the changes the file was opened by double-clicking it and RunRev 
2.5.1 opened it,  
Quit (no to changes) and deleted 2.5.1. Re-opened in 2.0.3 and proceeded to 
make the 
additions (some comments, a new script-wide variable one line of code to an 
exist handler and 
the introduction of a new one-line handler). File was then saved, a button was 
added to run 
three handlers (2 old handlers and the new one)

on mouseUp
  libSmtpConnect "192.168.0.250"
  answer libSmtpGetGreeting()
  libSmtpClose
end mouseUp

The usual backup wasn't made as this was a simple addition and there shouldn't 
be any 
problems *sigh*

A new stack was created, the code was copy-pasted into it - same error.
The Rev customPropertySet was deleted - same error.
Code was copy&pasted into TextEdit (no rtf) and back into a new stack - same 
error.
Code was copy&pasted into TextEdit (no rtf) and back into the existing stack - 
same error.

Other than perhaps typing everything back in, any ideas?

Mac OS X .3.8
RunRev 2.0.3


-Sean


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Printing and MICR font (2)

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my bad

i'm using Mac OS X.3.8 and RunRev 2.0.3

MICR font won't print the special code characters


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Printing MICR font

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I'm trying to print with the MICR font and am running into some problems.

1. The special code characters (ABCD) only show up on screen at 10pt [not that 
big of a deal]
2. The special code characters do not print regardless of font size [big huge 
freakin' deal ;-) ]

The MICR font prints fine from other programs and prints fine to all the 
printers, including the 
imagesetter, but not from RunRev.

Any insights from anyone? I have "formatForPrinting" turned to true.

-Sean

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Re: revDatabase

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> It could be new vs old passwords.

that's what it is, but my question is more "does runrev have a updated database 
library that can 
be used with v2.0?"

is there anything in the database library used in 2.5 that makes it 
incompatiable with 2.0/2.1 ?

anyways, to sort out my problems i just went to a lower version of mysql that 
is supported by 
rev 2.0


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Re: Email client

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> SMTP is for sending, POP is for retrieving.  Shao Sean has libraries for 
> each.

actually, i don't have a POP3 library (as of yet).. Sarah does have a POP3 
library available on her 
website.


i do have plans to write a POP3 library, but with Sarah's it's not a priority 
of mine.. i do also 
have plans for an IMAP library and that should begin testing shortly..

thank you ^_^


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Re: revDatabase

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so runrev 2.5 uses the updated mysql protocol.. does 2.5's revDatabase library 
work with 2.0/
2.1 ?  if so, where on the support website can one download it?


> I can report that on OS X 10.3.8 with Rev 2.5 and the same MySQL as 
> you're running, connections work just fine.


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revDatabase

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i'm trying to use the revDatabase library features and am connecting to a MySQL 
database, but 
am getting the error "Client does not support authentication protocol requested 
by server; 
consider upgrading MySQL client"..

what MySQL says about this error is:
"MySQL 4.1 and up uses an authentication protocol based on a password hashing  
algorithm 
that is incompatible with that used by older clients.  If you upgrade the 
server to 4.1, attempts 
to connect to it with an  older client may fail with the following message:"

i'm using:
RunRev 2.0.3
Mac OS X 10.3.8
MySQL 4.1.10-standard

is there a newer version of the library that connects to the MySQL server 
properly?


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Re: unlimited undo's for text fields

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what about polling for it?

on openStack
  send "checkForShiftKey" to me in 0 seconds
end openStack

on checkForShiftKey
  if (the shiftKey is down) then
#do whatever
  end if
  send "checkForShiftKey" to me in 100
end checkForShiftKey


will it work, no idea.. just wrote this off the top of my head before getting 
back to work..


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REQ: libSmtp testing

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anyone out there have access to smtp servers that i can test the (soon to be 
released) new 
version of libSmtp against?

the servers would need to support smtp authentication (PLAIN and LOGIN).. i'm 
working on 
other authentication methods, but i'd like to get this release out first (yeah, 
finally motivated to 
re-write it after losing it)..

please contact me off-list  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

thank you ^_^


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Re: Success with Sending email without a SMTP Server!!!!

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> Shao Sean also worked quite hard to come up with an auth capability.

i actually had a working version of this, but lost my brand new SanDisk 
mini cruzer that had it on it =(

am feeling up to re-writing it again


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Re: Success with Sending email without a SMTP Server!!!!

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just a note to this thread (sorry, i'm a little behind with my life)..

some networks will not allow you to use an external smtp server (in 
canada, sympatico restricts smtp usage to only their smtp server)..


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Re: Getting User Email Settings

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> somewhere the name or IP address of the user's default SMTP server? I

i wrote a library that does that, but you need to be connected to the 
internet..


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Credit card processing.. more info

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We've received a bit more information on this issue of processing a credit
card transaction from within a Rev app, and I'm hoping someone here can
help interpret it. Please shed any light you can. This response comes from
the folks at e-Onlinedata / Authorize.net. Thanks. Richard




Richard,
 
Take a look at our documentation page
(http://www.authorizenet.com/support/guides.php).  I just want to make sure
you are looking at the Card Present (CP) Implementation Guide PDF and not
the AIM guide (which is ecommerce).  It tells you in that document that the
URL you POST to is https://cardpresent.authorize.net/gateway/transact.dll. 
The data does not need to be encrypted because you are emulating the HTML
form POST using SSL.  SSL takes care of the encryption and decryption.  You
will be using our digital certificate, so you will not need one for each
kiosk.
 
The request string looks just like what you would see for a GET method on
an HTML form.  Here is some sample code in VBScript.  It won't apply to you
but you will get the idea of how to put it together.  You will want to use
a device type of 5 and a market type of 2.
 
' build the request string
vPostData = _
"x_cpversion=1.0" & _
"&x_login=" & Server.URLEncode( x_login ) & _
"&x_tran_key=" & Server.URLEncode( x_tran_key ) & _
"&x_market_type=" & x_market_type & _
"&x_device_type=" & x_device_type & _
"&x_amount=" & x_amount & _
"&x_description=" & Server.URLEncode( merchant_name ) &
_
"&x_response_format=1" & _
"&x_delim_char=" & x_delim_char & _
"&x_test_request=" & x_test_request
Select Case validation_method
Case 2 vPostData = vPostData & "&x_track2=" &
Server.URLEncode( x_track2 )
Case 3 vPostData = vPostData & "&x_card_num=" &
x_card_num & "&x_exp_date=" & x_exp_date
Case Else vPostData = vPostData & "&x_track1=" &
Server.URLEncode( x_track1 )
End Select
 


' Send data via HTTPS POST to Authorize.net
set objHttp =
Server.CreateObject("WinHttp.WinHttpRequest.5.1")
objHttp.open "POST", auth_net_url, False
objHttp.SetRequestHeader "Content-Type",
"application/x-www-form-urlencoded"
objHttp.send (vPostData)
 
If( objHttp.Status = "200" ) Then
' we communicated with web server successfully so now
process the response
vResponseText = objHttp.responseText
 
' Tokenize response . Separator is x_delim_char
vFieldArray = Split( vResponseText, x_delim_char, -1, 1
)
    vNumFields = Ubound(vFieldArray)
...
 
 
Let me know if I you get stuck again.
 
Thanks,
Keith
 
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-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 10:22 AM
To: Keith Bailey
Subject: Re: Our conversation; re: Keith

Keith,

Thanks for getting back to me on this. It's been frustrating trying to get
an answer to this question. Any help you can offer is greatly appreciated.

We are running on Mac OS X. We have no problem emulating the HTML form
POST. The programming environment we are working in allows for that. The
problem is in opening the secure connection to AIM. Perhaps you can walk me
through this. Here's the situation.

1. We have a laptop somewhere in the field.

2. The only program available on this machine is a custom application
(there's no browser available).

3. We collect the card data and organize that data into an appropriate
POST. 

4. What happens next? Where is that data sent? What's the address? How do
we create a secure connection? How do we encrypt that data? This is where
we're stuck.

Thanks
Richard


On Jan 21, 2005, at 12:11 PM, Keith Bailey wrote:


Richard,
 
Hopefully I can help shed a little light on using AIM.  I couldn't tell
from your conversation if you are running on any specific OS or if your
kiosks are simply self-contained with custom appl

Crashing on PC side

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My children's app Dada daVinci on the PC side has been
crashing after prolonged use.  Its usually played by
kids 1 to 3 yrs old.  I have a mode that allows the
game to go autopilot and usually after 1 hour of use,
Revolution and Metacard crashes.  It uses 24 bit
graphics, animation and midi music.  I think I am
overloading Revolution's memory, my guess.  Is there
any way to "clean out" the memory or reduce memory use
periodically?  No problems on the Mac side.  


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Re: Tabs

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i just use...  

on menuPick pNewTab, pOldTab
  hide pOldTab
  show pNewTab
end menuPick

it's even lazier ;-)


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WIKI

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Hi list,

somebody terrorized the WIKI I´ve set up at

http://www.derbrill.com/faq/revolution

That funny guy/gal deleted all the files containing information and
posted calendars from 2003-2006.
I´ve restored that pages now. If you have posted any info to the WIKI
please check if the pages still hold the info you wanted them to hold.
If you have any more info you want to see there feel free to post
tutorials or suggest topics!

Best,

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The game I´ve been talking about for so long... ;-)

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Hi list!

I´ve been very quite the last few weeks. I´m on dial up until february
as I am moving and sorrowly can´t keep up with the traffic on the list.
I just want to let you know that I´ve uploaded the final version of the
game I´ve shown on Malta to my server.

mac classic:

http://www.derbrill.com/game_final/tt_classic.sit

OsX

http://www.derbrill.com/game_final/tt_osx.zip

Windows:

http://www.derbrill.com/game_final/tt_setup.exe

Each file is about 10 Megabytes. This is the most complex project I ever
did in Rev. It makes heavy use of libRMC. So if you want to see the
library in action please look at the game. ;-)
If you need a cheat drop me a line off list to my account
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Also a shameless plug: 
I have no current projects pending. So if anyone of you is looking for
an experienced multimedia producer who knows how to use Final Cut Pro,
After Effects, Photoshop, Protools, and many other Audio Tools and of
course Revolution, or is willing to sponsor the next game please drop me
a line.

Best,

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Re: Reading the WAB

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the actual file format of the WAB file isn't publicly available from 
microsoft (from at least all the research i've done).. supposedly it was 
released on one of their development cd's

what microsoft recommends is to use their API's to access the information 
in the WAB..

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RevMail & OSX

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Hello everybody,

I've encountered a problem recently using the RevMail function.
Indeed "RevMail "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" will open "http://www.domain.com"; in 
Internet 
Explorer instead of a mail program !

Does anyone knows how to manage this ?

Have a nice day,

Aurélien Durand

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Speeding up RevGoURL

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Hello everybody,

I'm curently testing RevGoURL in order to... launch an URL in the default 
browser. But it's realy very very slow to launch it. It can take about 3 
minutes on Windows, and a little bit less on Mac.
Is there any way to speed up that process ( no one will wait for that time 
after a clik) ? Or maybe do you know another way wich would be more 
appropriated ?

Thanks for your help,

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Re: Paragraph-level formatting

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what bugzilla number for this enhancement request??

Tuviah


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Re: Unicode for cross-platform use (Dean Snyder)

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>Hints and suggestions are very, very welcome. I am using Rev 2.1.
Anyone using Unicode should switch to 2.5 where all reported Unicode problems 
were resolved. If you store the text in fields, they are byteswapped 
automatically. You will have to write your own script to do the byteswapping 
when reading from files.

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Re: convolve in external sdk

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>>> Quite a piece of work too! ;)
Yeah it was Scott's initial idea, I implemented it to demonstrate the new array 
access stuff with binary data.

You can compile with Visual C++ 6 or .NET

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re:export snapshot

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>export snapshot from rect absGraphRect to gGraphImg
try:

export snapshot from rect absGraphRect to gGraphImg as png

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Displaying vertical text

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Hello everybody,

I need to display a text verticaly, this text cannot be an image as it comes from a 
variable. Is 
there any way to rotate a field, label, ?

Thanx

Regards

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Re: Sorry

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That's exactly the answer i needed. Thanks a lot Robert !
I should have described more precisely the problem.
Anyway,

Thnx again !

Cordialy

Aurélien

>More likely the field "price" contains something Rev refuses to 
>parse as a number (make sure the field contains exactly a number, 
>and nothing other than the number, which might confuse the parser).

My guess is that your price uses comma as decimal separator whereas 
Rev expects it to be a period. If your field should display commas 
per country convention change

put length(field "myFld") * field "price" into fld "devis"

to

get fld "price"
replace "," with "." in it
put length(field "myFld") * it into fld "devis"

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Sorry

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Sorry to disturb you with this basicly basic question but… i really need an answer 
even it is 
certainly a very simple thing to do. Here it is, i simply want to multiply,add,… the 
value of two 
variables… and i can't… i know…

My code :

on mouseUp
  put the number of characters of field "myfld" into MyChar
  put the value of field "price" into MyNum
  put MyChar * MyNum into field "devis"
end mouseUp

it returns an error in the right operand while the structure seems bascily logical

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Hmmm as announced recently Revolution now does external development, (not only could 
the external possibly get integrated into the engine, but just having this sort of 
work on an ongoing basis can be used to retain additional engine developers) maybe ask 
them for a quote:-)

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QT effects

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First of all, thanx for your precious answers about my previous questions about PDF 
and mail 
protocols.

I've noticed that on a PC cd-rom generated using rev, the visual dissolve effect is 
not correctly 
displayed (the cards are simply displayed without any transition) while QT is 
correctly installed 
on the PC thing (rev correctly plays simple videos for example). The "don't use 
QTeffects" 
command would allow a correct display but it makes the mac version crash.

A simple solution is to make two versions of the player but i tought it could be 
important to 
notice that "bug" (but is it realy one ?).

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Re:use-revolution Digest, Vol 13, Issue 64

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First of all, thanx for your precious answers about my previous questions about PDF 
and mail 
protocols.

I've noticed that on a PC cd-rom generated using rev, the visual dissolve effect is 
not correctly 
displayed (the cards are simply displayed without any transition) while QT is 
correctly installed 
on the PC thing (rev correctly plays simple videos for example). The "don't use 
QTeffects" 
command would allow a correct display but it makes the mac version crash.

A simple solution is to make two versions of the player but i tought it could be 
important to 
notice that "bug" (but is it realy one ?).

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Re: someone noticed this one?

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> Nevertheless, being able to modify the engine when needed, is a big 
> advantage,
> competiton-wise...
Not really. If you have been working on a project, and have been waiting to get this 
and that feature into the engine, require a fix, or need an external, I suppose you 
can pay for it now and subcontract rev, so it actually gives you more options...and 
the ability to do this may actually make it easier to sell a rev solution to potential 
clients. I don't see Rev saying that they are only doing engine customizations for 
their large projects. Looks like they are just trying to capatalize on what they have 
to maintain and pay for already.

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POP3 & IMAP protocols

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Hello again,

How could i check a mail box using POP3 & IMAP protocols ? Is there also a way to 
implement 
other protocols such as Hotmail one ?
( you're right, i'm preparing a mail checker… well, i'm trying to ! ;)

Thanx

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PDF & large images

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Hello again,

How could i check a mail box using POP3 & IMAP protocols ? Is there also a way to 
implement 
other protocols such as Hotmail one ?
( you're right, i'm preparing a mail checker… well, i'm trying to ! ;)

Thanx

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PDF & large images

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Hello everybody,

1 - Is there any way to display a pdf in a revolution stack ? 

2 - I want to display a 500*800 pixels image on a 640*480 card. Is there a way to add 
scollers to this image ?

Thanx

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Re: MP3 Tags? (reprise)

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there's two versions of ID3 tags for MP3's.. v1.x is simple and is the 
last 128 chars of the MP3 file (the first 3 chars of that chunk will 
start with the string TAG if you need to look for it)..

v2 on the other hand can be of vary size depending on the information 
that is being stored.. it's a fun read, but a pain to code (i started a 
while back, but other things keep popping up, but hopefully soon i can 
get back to coding my libraries)..

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Re: unicode menus

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>1. How did you make cascading menus in unicode?
Easiest way to do it would be to create a field, set the tabstops property, then start 
typing japanese into it. Then set then textfont of the button to a japanese font and 
set the text of the btn to the unicodetext of the field.

>2. How did you handle the File/Edit menus in unicode in OS X?
The last two items of the file menu (rather the first menu) will be deleted regardless 
in OSX, so it should be a divider and quit. For the edit button it looks at the 
buttons name and if the name is "edit" it delete the last two items of that menu as 
well. If you need the edit menu to display the title in japanese, set the label of the 
button.

Last time I checked creating submenus worked fine in the IDE.

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Re: OpenWatcom and Windows Externals

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the last i checked, openwatcom had a known bug about compiling certain 
types of DLL's (which is what the runrev externals are)..

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Subject: revOpenDatabase Oracle

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you should pass the service name (found in tsnames.ora) to revopendatabase not the 
actual IP.

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Re: Hideous "revdberr,invalid database type" returns in standalones

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make sure the microsoft ODBC drivers (MDAC) are installed on the other machines.

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Re: XQuery in Rev?

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>Thanks for the pointer - I hadn't seen dbxml. I'm looking into it now
>for a project. And yes - definitely publish the scripts.
XQuery/XPath is on the to-do list. dbxml looks good, maybe be useful to get at least 
one xml compatible db driver working with revdb.

Best,
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RE: DATABASE FUNCTIONS

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Note you can also edit the script of btn "revdatabase" of stack "revlibrary" and use 
additional wrapper functions around revdb. They are pretty well organized and tested 
just underdocumented, and let you do things like execute statements using an opened 
connection, cache multiple connections. You can mix and match these with using the 
database query builder. and it supports caching records, and binding like the query 
builder.

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Re: Https

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>I'm no SSL expert, and am only transplanting the new secure socket 
>syntax into libUrl. So your question serves as a good note of >caution, 
>and I'll get confirmation from the Rev SSL man (Tuviah) before adding 
>this.
without verification will enable just that socket to connect without verification, it 
wont affect any other apps or sockets. This should only be used if you have verified 
the IP address beforehand, and even then there are many methods hackers can use, so I 
would still recommend using a self signed certificate.

http://www.redhat.com/docs/manuals/linux/RHL-7.3-Manual/custom-guide/s1-installation-selfsigned.html

http://sial.org/howto/openssl/self-signed/

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Re: Https

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I would suggest that you use the openssl tool and make yourself a self signed root 
certificate. Then use that for your website, and set the sslcertificates to that.

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Re: metal, palette and empty decorations

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won't work. metal is technically a decoration. setting the metal of a stack sets this 
decoration for you. you can try setting the decorations to empty and then setting the 
metal of the stack to true.

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re: inheritance

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This reminds me of a rehash of the the C vs C++ debate on the carbon-list 
currently. You can technically do anything you can do in C++ with C. I recently 

had to work on a VB.NET project and it was a bit different then the VB I 
remember, was it better, not really, some things were actually more confusing 
just different. Some VB developers feel abandoned.. I find working in Rev more 
productive for GUI apps then working in C++, or Java, you get immediate 
results.

Should advancing the language and integrating OOP features be a goal, 
definitely. It useful for large projects which involve multiple developers, 
which are not currently Rev forte, but it may be the chicken and egg sort of 
thing. But I don't see a feature request or a suggested spec for it anywhere...

Implementing it however, should not come at expense of implementing features 
that are some blockers for projects and there is still a lot of design work 
which needs to be done. From our recent debates on the improve list it seems 
that people don't want real OO necessarily, but some sort of inheritance and the 

ability to *reuse controls* or scripts. Parentscripts, or a backscript which 
distinguishes between objects by properties, should get you most of that.

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Re: simple libSMTP send example, help

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using your existing smtp will usually work, as not too many servers are 
secure.. some networks (sympatico.ca in canada for example) will not 
allow their users to use an external smtp server..

what you many want to look at in the example stack is the DNS code.. when 
the user is connected to the internet, you can use their email address to 
do a dns look-up of their smtp server..

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RE: windows icons

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use a window icon editor (many have been named before on this list) and 
just extract them from "explorer.exe"

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RE: PHP List and Split commands

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> > I'm looking for a command in Rev like the following PHP command...
> > list( $tVar01, $tVar02, $tVar03)= split ("\|", $line);

there's a command in transcript that works similar to the PHP split 
command.. (i don't have anything with me at this computer to reference 
to, but i've been using it in the current project i'm working on).. i'll 
post the command later tonight, after work..


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Re: Windows externals

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> The win-version (EXT.dll) had exactly that functionality:
> get cddrive() ## or something...

it only seemed to return the first cd drive if you have more than one

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Re: IDE Interference (not just a another rant)

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why not just check to see if you're in the dev environment or not??

if (the environment is not "development") then
  doMySaveStuff
end if


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Re: problems with "send" and macosx .3.3

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sorry, my delimiters are numToChar(1) and numToChar(2).. 
logins/passwords are iso-8859-1 (aka us-ascii) chars only..

-Original Message-
> Could the passwords that don't work include any of the delimiters in 
> tTransactionData?


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Re: problems with "send" and macosx .3.3

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> Are you talking about the Transcript command, 'send'?

yes


> If so, it need not be complex.  The command parameter may be a 
> variable.  The object parameter may be a variable specifying the object
> (such as the long id).

my line of code is:

do ("send" && QUOTE & tTransactionDataA["transaction"] && 
tTransactionData & QUOTE && "to stack" && QUOTE & 
sRegisteredTransactionsA[tTransactionDataA["transaction"]] & QUOTE 
&& "in 0 milliseconds")

tTransactionDataA[] is an array containing all of the data
tTransactionData is the same array, but as a flat string

sRegsiteredTransactionsA[] is an array that maps "transaction"s to the 
stack that has registered to receive them.. (currently a one-to-one 
mapping, but in the future it will be one-to-many)..

-Sean

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Re: problems with "send" and macosx .3.3

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> Could you have left in some temporary script lines to do a quick 
> password check?

i originally thought that's what i may have done, but after printing all 
the scripts out and going through line-by-line (as well as a search in 
ms word), nothing showed up.. i'm tempted to change my system-level 
password to see if that makes a difference..

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Re: problems with "send" and macosx .3.3

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> I'm not sure to understand the way you are using to send the 

actually, the client sends the login/password through a custom protocol 
to the server (the client and server communicate via tcp/ip).. the 
server socket receives the data and then uses the "send" command to send 
the data received to the proper handler..

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problems with "send" and macosx .3.3

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i'm developing a program in runrev 2.1 on macosx .3.3 (aka panther) and 
have noticed something weird when using the send command..

i have a multi-user network-enabled intranet program, and during the 
testing of the login/password everything went smoothly until i decided 
to use someone else's login/password combo..

all the information is being sent from the client to the server and is 
completely intact before the "send" command (the actually send command 
is being sent with the "do" command do to the complexity of it).. if i 
change "do" to "answer" the proper information is there, but in the 
receiving handler the "answer" states "false"..

the receiving handler correctly "answer"s my login/password info, and it 
works fine when everyone else's password is the same as mine.. if the 
passwords are changed, it stops working..

now the really weird part to all of this is the fact that my password in 
the runrev app is base64 encoded and is the same as my macosx login 
password.. and!! if i include my password anywhere in the data being 
sent for the login/password (ie.. as a dummy parameter) all the other 
accounts work..

anyone else see this on macosx?   i'll need to burn a copy and try it on 
my windows machines at home..

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Re: Creating bulletin boards, chat rooms...

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i've been slowly working away on a multi-user bbs system using rev.. the 
first few test versions worked, but there was still a lot of work to do 
on it, and lately i have been working more on it.. it's all built in 
modules, so pieces can be easily updated, switched out, etc without 
having to redownload the whole program.. when there's something more 
stable and usuable, i'll post..

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Re: Metal

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i have a faked metal window interface that i'm using on windows.. it's 
resizable and there doesn't seem to be any re-draw problems.. i'll try 
to make it available shortly..

-Sean

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Re: pop3 attachment decoding

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> would still need a Windows way.) Does anyone know which RFC, or
> something else, that defines the formatting of attachments ?

from what i've seen in reading the rfc's is that using base64 is the 
most compatible.. but also note that some email clients don't encode 
plain text files (my own email encoding library does encode plain text 
files)..  in the header section of the attached file, it should state 
what encoding was used..

-Sean

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Re: any news on the SQLite front?

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i've requested the database external sdk a few times, but i have yet to 
receive a response.. *shrug*

-Sean

-Original Message-
> since we're all talking about databases, I wondered, is there any news 
> on the SQLite external? I wanted to deploy database based apps but 
> mySQL is just overkill sometimes, you can't tell a newbie user to 
> install a MySQL server. And I make heavy use of Queries and equijoins 
> so I think Serendipty will not suit me... sad... I like it very much. 
> So the only hope for me is SQLite for I spent all my money on my studio
> license and thus there's none for buying valentina.

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Re: final php versions of fwPack and fwUnpack

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> Many, many thanks to shaosean and Brian Yennie for providing php 
> versions of fwPack and fwUnpack.  I cleaned them up a bit, added some 
> error handling, and tested the final code.

error handling?!  you make mistakes?!!  ;-)

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> AH!  OK...THANK YOU Sean!!  ...maybe you should charge a little $$ (now
> that I already have *my* hands on it :)

nah.. it's something that should belong in the engine (just like the mac 
versions).. also if i was to charge for anything i'm sure you'd expect 
upgrades or support or something ;-)  personally i just do all this 
programming for fun, if someone else has a use for it - great, but i'd 
be writing it anyways =)  you should see my nice mp3 player, has "metal" 
windows, yet it's on windows (hasn't touched a mac yet)..

-Sean

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Re: fwPack/fwUnpack in php?

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well here are the two functions.. next ;-)

-Sean


<%

function fwPack($pData, $pPassword="") {
  if ($pPassword === ""):
$pData = "00" . gzencode($pData);

  else:
$tKeyString = pack("H*", md5($pPassword));
$tKeyStringLen = strlen($tKeyString);

$pData = gzencode($pData);
$tDataLen = strlen($pData);

$tCryptoText = "";
$i = 0;
for ($k=0; $k < $tDataLen; $k++):
  if ($i >= $tKeyStringLen):
$i = 0;
  endif;
  $tCryptoText .= chr( ord($pData{$k}) ^ ord($tKeyString{$i}) );
  $i++;
endfor;
$pData = "01" . $tCryptoText;
  endif;
  return base64_encode($pData);
}
// end fwPack


function fwUnpack($pData, $pPassword="") {
  $pData = base64_decode($pData);
  $tEncryptionMethod = $pData{0} . $pData{1};   // get the encryption 
method
  $pData = substr($pData,2);// remove the encryption method from the 
data

  switch($tEncryptionMethod):
  case "00":   // no encryption
break;
  case "01":   // md5 encryption
$tKeyString = pack("H*", md5($pPassword));
$tKeyStringLen = strlen($tKeyString);

$tDataLen = strlen($pData);

$tClearText = "";
$i = 0;
for ($k=0; $k < $tDataLen; $k++):
  if ($i >= $tKeyStringLen):
$i = 0;
  endif;
  $tClearText .= chr( ord($pData{$k}) ^ ord($tKeyString{$i}) );
  $i++;
endfor;
$pData = $tClearText;
  endswitch;

  return gzinflate(substr($pData,10)); 
}
// end fwUnpack


echo fwUnpack(fwPack("abraxas", "fred"), "fred");

%>

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Re: fwPack/fwUnpack in php?

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below follows the fwPack code in PHP.. fwUnpack is coming

-Sean


<%

function fwPack($pData, $pPassword="") {
  if ($pPassword === ""):
$pData = "00" . gzencode($pData);

  else:
$tKeyString = pack("H*", md5($pPassword));
$tKeyStringLen = strlen($tKeyString);

$pData = gzencode($pData);
$tDataLen = strlen($pData);

$tCryptoText = "";
$i = 0;
for ($k=0; $k < $tDataLen; $k++):
  if ($i >= $tKeyStringLen):
$i = 0;
  endif;
  $tCryptoText .= chr( ord($pData{$k}) ^ ord($tKeyString{$i}) );
  $i++;
endfor;
$pData = "01" . $tCryptoText;
  endif;
  return base64_encode($pData);
}
// end fwPack


echo fwPack("functions", "fred");

%>

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Re: substack and systemWindow property

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oddly enough they added the feature into the mac versions, but they left 
out the windows versions (heck they could have even used my code ;-)

-Sean

-Original Message-
> and "windowTopMost"...was there an easier way or a way to do it without
> the use of the dll?

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Re: "Read" a URL?

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> It's not possible to use the read command on a URL, as far as I know. 
> (If you're talking to a server via HTTP, I believe the protocol 
> requires you to download the entire file to get access to any of it.)

actually i'm not sure how the read command works, nor how the libUrl 
stuff works, but there is the ability to byte-request on some http 
servers (not certain if it's an enhancement to http or to specific 
servers, but i have seen it used in many client-side programs)..

-Sean

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Serious applications

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Hi everybody,

thank you very much for your comments.

Well looks that I not choosed the right term, serious applications, but
most of you understood it.

You are right a couple of hours is not enough to decide if Revolution is
the right tool for us.

What I liked in Revolution and spent some time to evalute? the way that
seems it allow create cross platform applications easily.

Learn a new language is not a problem at all. If the time spent learning
allow us to reach the objetive.

What mean serious applications for me? imagine an accounting-billing
solution to be used for 10-100 users in different languages and in
different enviroments. We are talking about hundred thousands or even
millions records in tables. We need a powerful database engine:
PostgreSql or Firebird prefered.

Will give a chance to Revolution :-)

Thanks,
Jose
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Re: Serious applications

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> We have to develop multiuser programs like accounting and billing
> software with very intensive database use, the prefered databases are
> PostgreSql and Firebird.

i'm currently writing a tool to be used at a print shop that allows for 
tracking of all the jobs and clients, as well as all the billing, 
invoicing and break-down of "cost of doing business".. i've custom built 
a protocol to allow for multiple users accessing all the data at the 
same time, and am just using rev stacks as the databases.. so far 
everything is working smoothly on the mac/windows network..

 
> Anybody could point me to samples of "big" applications developed with
> Revolution? Details? Reports? Links?

check out hemmingway, but i have a feeling the majority of large 
projects are internal, or still being built..


> It is Revolution the right tool? other suggestion?

it can be...  ^_^


-Sean

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Re: How could i Post binary data to perl cgi?

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> Content-type: multipart/form-data;
> boundary=---277072699622422

you're forgetting the "boundary" marker.. (note that the above is all 
one line, or two seperate lines with LWS before the word "boundary")


-Sean

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Transcript and/or ECMA

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From: Pierre Sahores <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Agreed ! The English-like syntax of Transcript seem me to be one of the 
main parts of the XTalk paradigm : As long as Rev will support this VHLL 
feature, we will stay able to code transcript handlers, even without 
running computers : i like to feel me free to "think and code" cool 
handlers in the railroad or, even, in driving my car from home to the 
office... I can't, for my own, do, with the same success, such kind of 
things in using Rebol, PHP, Javascript or Java...
 Bien cordialement, Pierre Sahores
I fully agree that for trained xtalk writers the english-like syntax of 
Transcript is an advantage.

As and old HyperCarder, Transcript is very fine for me too.

But if Revolution want to access to a biggest market share, you must 
consider that 98% of people trained to programming are trained to "ECMA" 
style langages.

Macromedia understood that and the next version of Director will support 
both the Lingo syntax (very xTalk like) and the ECMA (= 
javascript/actionscript)syntax.
Note the fact that ECMA syntax is not a proprietary syntax ; it is an open 
standard maintained by the European Computer Manufacturer Association.

If Revolution can speak the same langage as JavaScript, Flash (and 
tomorrow Director) that can help thousands of programmer to test it and to 
adopt it.

Claude
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Re: SystemWindow editable fields?

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does a "systemWindow" receive the "resumeStack" message? if so, try 
putting the "topStack" command there..  (can't test for you as it 
doesn't work in windows, nor is the "systemWindow" property available in 
the version of runrev i run =/

-Sean

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