Re: Family punchups
Richmond Mathewson wrote: Why do I have a funny feeling that as Ubuntu seems to gain Linux dominance it also seems to be acquiring some rather unpleasant facets previously only seen with commercial operating system? It has climbed into bed with Google - who next we wonder ? All you lovers of liberty and non-conformity, methinks tis time to move on elsewhere! Liberty and non-conformity, while enjoyable, are not an appropriate be-all and end-all for a creative, or even productive, experience. Standardization and conformity can offer freedom from constant relearning, widget-juggling, and irksome negotiating with the interface just to get a job done. Consider the haiku, and the freedom its severe constraints offer the poet. It's not the limitation of the tool that matters, but what you can do within those limitations. Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Do you Ubuntu?
Lynn Fredricks wrote: Hello all, Im wearing my Paradigma hat here (hey, if you can to RevCon 2005 you could have had one too!) but I also have my Runtime kilt handy. It seems that, in the span of the last two years, Ubuntu has come out of nowhere to achieve an unprecidented popularity. Paradigma is finalizing V4REV Linux and well, Linux you know is something on the minds of folks at Runtime too. Of you running on Linux, how many are using Rev with Ubuntu? Knowing the level of interest in Ubuntu usage would be helpful for both companies. I'm on Ubuntu, laptop and bigbox, Gnome. Every time the system gets up on its hind legs and runs out to update various software components, all on its own, I get goosebumps. Jerry ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Altbrowser html page communication with application?
Ian Wood wrote: You'll just have trouble going in the other direction (standalone to web page). Ian Can the standalone write a temporary HTML file, and point the browser to it for interactive feedback? Jerry ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Beginning Programming for Dummies 4th edn
Adrian Williams wrote: Beginners and old hands would benefit if code they seek is more clearly emphasised. All words are important, but in programming, surely, it is the code itself that should take pride of place. Some books use a grey background patch for passages of code. This is not ideal either. Code in paragraph text needs to be emphasised in exactly the same manner as large passages to avoid confusion. Just a more contrasting set of fonts is really all thats needed. Like Times Roman and Verdana Bold for maximum contrast! If it must be a monospaced font, then I don't see anything on the market that fits the bill at the moment. I would gladly create and supply (gratis) a Courier-like font of 'Black' weight to anyone undertaking such a venture, so long as it's a Revolution trainer. Lucida Console or Bitstream Vera Sans (monospace) would be good starting points. And Demi rather than Black would be a good choice, I think. But I could live with the typographic limitations of Revolution: Software at the Speed of Thought if I had volumes II and III I still use the MetaCard Users Guide, stuffed with print-outs of juicy, illuminating extracts from [EMAIL PROTECTED] from around 1998, to clarify my thinking on occasion. I think I would also rely on Danny Goodman's HyperCard works as well, if only I had them. Still, to my mind, the xTalk paradigm of programming has never been well-enough presented to entice beginners into the fold, or experts to distill and extend their expertise. Only Squeak is less-usefully documented, and more deserving of the effort. A newcomer to Revolution should be able to learn all he or she needs to know to program a particular task, and not get involved with anything outside the dependency-chain of skills and techniques needed for that task, by threading a relevant path through the documentation. The lack of economic incentive to produce such a task-oriented documentation suite is puzzling, given the cost of the product and its placement in the upper echelons of programming power. The ultimate cost of NOT having the proper learning tools has to be staggeringly higher than the cost of developing them. Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Beginning Programming for Dummies 4th edn
Dan Shafer wrote: Jerry, On 12/9/06, Jerry Muelver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The ultimate cost of NOT having the proper learning tools has to be staggeringly higher than the cost of developing them. Jerry Muelver __ Apparently RR disagrees. Although I think they have been trying really hard with their latest round of in-house docs and they've been supportive of my efforts when I've made them. Dan, I was thinking more of the cost to the programmer, actually. Billing out at $60/hr, it doesn't take long to make back one's investment in programming guides and tutorials in terms of the time saved by not having to reinvent flint-chipping, or list-box displaying to choose a card from a stack. Still, programming book authoring may not be the shortcut to fame to and fortune that it's cracked up to be. My wife, after suffering with me through what we know refer to as the book years, points out that J. K. Rowling has done quite well without dirtying her hands with coding examples and syntax formatting, and that the leap from computer languages to unabashed outright fiction is conceptually not really all that far, and a heckuva lot more lucrative Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution and the Web, feedback wanted, Part 1 of 3
Chipp Walters wrote: Mikey, and other lurkers. Here's a quick history on the whole MC vs RR thing. MetaCard originally owned all the technology. It basically breaks into 2 parts: the engine and the IDE. Unlike HyperCard and SuperEdit (not SuperCard), the MC IDE was completely written in Transcript (or at that time MetaTalk). Scott Raney (the original programmer and owner of MetaCard) decided to let users create their own add-ons to the brute simple MC IDE. 1997, I think, I was doing MetaCard heavily. 3000 cards covering operator help and training support, 4 product lines, everything translated into 6 languages. I remember everything being clickety-bop fast and solid, lots of scripts going to HTML and off to Workbench (computer-aided translation) and back again, global reformatting to add a text panel to every card to replace the (bad idea) audio track with auto-extracted text from the narration script -- in each language. I got away from it in 2000, and came back in 2005 to find the Revolution version had taken hold, when back in my day Revolution was just an upstart extra-cost IDE I never really thought I'd need. It's all kind of like doing serious work in Turbo Pascal 1.0, and coming back to find JBuilder in its place. Gives me mixed emotions, like seeing your mother-in-law drive off a cliff in your new Cadillac Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution and the Web, feedback wanted, Part 1 of 3So
That's my point, exactly. Let the web stuff happen on the web, with web tools. For those of us who find web functions useful in our Rev applications, altBrowser in Rev 2.7.5 should do the trick. For those who find xtalk useful for web productions, jscard from Creysoft looks like the answer. What programming or production problem would be solved by morphing Rev into Perl-PHP-Ruby-on-rails-JavaScript-Ajax-Curl-Python-CSS-Apache? What would be the gain? Jerry Muelver Chipp Walters wrote: Isn't that what altBrowser does? On 11/28/06, Jerry Muelver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about building an interface to make web things run in Revolution? In other words, don't map group to DIV to make Rev scripts run on the web, but map DIV to group to make web scripts run in Rev. I think if you gave me HTMLtext that could handle hyperlinks, UL and OL, TABLE, text wraparound IMG placement, HTML forms components, and by-paragraph font styling (CSS-sensitive DIVs), the job would be done. In fact, with the advent of an embedded browser in Rev 2.7.5, it seems to me the job IS done! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: jscard
Stephen Barncard wrote: Have you checked their site lately? http://www.creysoft.com/jscard/ Nothing works.. the trick. For those who find xtalk useful for web productions, jscard from Creysoft looks like the answer. Looks like you can get the PHP source here: http://www.creysoft.com/xtalk/ Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution and the Web, feedback wanted, Part 1 of 3So
So far, it seems the discussion on this topic pushes making Rev things into (or compatible with) web things. But, bear in mind Andre's metaphor -- There are more helicopters in the ocean than there are submarines in the sky. How about building an interface to make web things run in Revolution? In other words, don't map group to DIV to make Rev scripts run on the web, but map DIV to group to make web scripts run in Rev. I think if you gave me HTMLtext that could handle hyperlinks, UL and OL, TABLE, text wraparound IMG placement, HTML forms components, and by-paragraph font styling (CSS-sensitive DIVs), the job would be done. In fact, with the advent of an embedded browser in Rev 2.7.5, it seems to me the job IS done! Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Rev Help authoring
Is there an authoring system for Rev's Help stack? Is the Help stack itself accessible for tweaking and extension? To get my programming chops warmed up for Rev 2.7.5 I've been fantasizing about a hypertext content delivery system, combined authoring/viewing, that would essentially duplicate Rev's existing Help stack, so I thought maybe I should check first to see if I can save myself a year's worth of programming. Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev Help authoring
Eric Chatonet wrote: Jerry Daniels has written some code he uses in Galaxy to access the docs directly from the stacks you'll find in Documentation/packaged_xml/dictionary folder. So did I when I wrote the 2.7.x search engine (last icon on the right in docs tool bar). As far as I know, there is not any real authoring tool available: Rev makes changes to the architecture and the help stack every release or almost... Anyway, the code in the Rev search engine is not protected and you can access it as you wish. Thanks, Eric. I'll do some exploration as soon as 2.7.x for Linux comes down the pike. BTW, it took almost 12 minutes for you to answer my post. I must have caught you napping ;-) Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev Help authoring
Lynn Fredricks wrote: A third party Helper Builder system would be very welcome in RevSelect if someone is interested in developing it. Well, that would be me. I've built help authoring systems for Windows and wxWidgets, and a simplified system for my own Revolution apps. It shouldn't be that big a leap to learn enough to expand to the next level. Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution 2.7.4 Released
Heather Nagey wrote: months at the bundle price. To introduce this new trial period, we are having an amnesty for purchasers of Revolution in the last 3 months, who didn't get the update pack at time of purchase. If you bought a new license after 22nd July 2006, you will be able to unlock version 2.7.4 even if you didn't buy an update pack. Just use the code you received on purchase. No, your license does not expire! When your update pack is over, you can either renew it, or simply continue to use the last version you were able to unlock with it. Your latest copy of Revolution will not stop working. That's good news. Now, about th Linux version being stuck at 2.6.3. Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: A Dream!
Roman D wrote:
Hi fellow Revolutionaries!
I am wondering...
Has anyone has come across the idea of making an Operating System
based on the Runtime Revolution Engine.
For example, the OS core would be Linux/Unix (or Darvin, as the case
is with Mac OS X) and Revolution will provide a windowing system plus
all it's power and glory.
(I am coming from Windows world, so I feel the need for freedom)
{A Dream can be realized - It is just a matter of time...}
I'd settle for a small piece of the OS, just a port to talk to the
user's default browser, grab request URL from browser (aimed at
127.0.0.1, perhaps), process, feed back HTML response header and file. A
mini-server, if you will, instead of a full-blown OS.
Jerry Muelver
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Re: Project Idea - Dokuwiki Editor
You mean, like WikiRev at http://hytext.com/rev/ ? Or WikiWriter at http://hytext.com/ww/ ? Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Product Feedback
Richard Gaskin wrote:
Rob Cozens wrote:
In this “brave new world” there would be no:
- menu manager
- geometry manager
- debugger
- var watcher
- message watcher
- standalone builder
- pseudo table objects
- application browser
- database access manager
Sounds quite a bit like MetaCard, no? :{`)
Maybe a fresh coat of paint and a one-click installer would be all
that's needed to share the tried-and-true nearly-zero-defect
simplicity of MC with more people
--
Richard Gaskin
Managing Editor, revJournal
I remember MC, did some heavy work in it, and recall Revolution starting
out as a set of tweaks to MC's alleged IDE
Jerry Muelver
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Re: Unexpected problem with Forum
David Vaughan wrote: Having argued in favour of a Forum based on experience with other systems, I can not use it in its present form :-( phpBB, used by the Revolution forum, is the most widely-used, familiar, flexible forum software on the web. While its feature-set may not be all-encompassing, the forum is eminently usable by the overwhelming majority of actual and potential members. I currently run three forums, and moderate on four others, and find phpBB highest ranking on the usability and efficiency scales. Sometimes, if you can't control all its aspects, you gotta adapt to the environment. Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: creating my own tools palette
Xeubie Tsu wrote: Interesting, thank you. Do you know anything about Software at the Speed of Thought and could you recommend it for learning transcript? I'm looking for a comprehensive source for learning the language at the moment. Check out the Online Scripting conferences -- http://support.runrev.com/scriptingconferences/ Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Media word processor question
Robert Brenstein wrote: Does anyone who got Media can tell us if the list of features of a word processor include things like paragraph-level formatting and full justification? And numbered and unnumbered lists, graphics insertion with text flow-around, assignable text and paragraph styles ? Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Media word processor question
Tom, even with a poll, we'd still be left with the dual issues of specification and implementation. What I'm after is to emulate in Revolution what I've already done in Windows with WikiWriter (http://hytext.com/ww), only with slicker cross-platform features. The idea is fairly simple markup in a text scripting mode, with full HTML-like display in viewer mode. The purpose is to provide an easy-to-use collaborative hypertext document production environment. I'm beginning to see that I will have to create an extensive library of display kludges (spacer graphics, sliced text controls) just to duplicate what is already available in any browser. Since Rev 2.7 for Linux (my development platform) is still in the oven and I can't make hay without sunshine, I'm leaning toward the easy way out -- wait for Altuit's altBrowser solution to evolve to cover my problem. Jerry Muelver Thomas McGrath III wrote: Jerry, I don't have a copy of Media so take this with a grain of salt, but I don't think that RRs idea of a word processor is the same as ours. I do not believe that anything in the capabilities present in 2.7 are different in Media and so that would mean there are no new abilities for these types of word processing features. I too would absolutely love to see the items you mention added to RR. Maybe we an start a thread on the Forums and maybe get a Poll started to see how many others are also interested. Tom On Apr 9, 2006, at 7:26 AM, Jerry Muelver wrote: Robert Brenstein wrote: Does anyone who got Media can tell us if the list of features of a word processor include things like paragraph-level formatting and full justification? And numbered and unnumbered lists, graphics insertion with text flow-around, assignable text and paragraph styles ? Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Text Processing
Stephen Barncard wrote: Except the discussion was about web text processing, which Rev is quite capable of. True, except for ordered lists... unordered lists... tables... JavaScript or PHP code... CSS... text wrap-around for graphics... positionable DIVs... H1-H6 tag preservation (RR converts to deprecated FONT tags) stuff like that there Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: a rare bird...consult and teach/train
Erik Hansen wrote: --- Dan Shafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's a rare bird who can both consult and teach/train why is that? As a consultant and teacher/trainer, I can answer that. Consulting requires hard, analytical focus on problem, process, and solution. The consultant's output is specific direction and procedures, typically communicated on the consultant's preferred level, with his or her preferred (paid-for, remember) methods. The objective is to deliver the message, to change the recipient's projected path. Teaching and/or training requires a soft, empathic focus on others' skills and behaviors, along with a flexible ability to communicate on someone else's level and channel. The objective is to inspire the motivation to explore and integrate the message with the recipient's current path. Communication is the eliciting of a response. Effective communication is the eliciting of a desired response. The consultant and the teacher/trainer gear their communication for different responses, and therefore develop and practice different methods. It's a rare bird who can shift from one objective to the other smoothly, easily, without disrupting the progress of the objective of the moment. Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Draw spokes on a wheel
Jim Lyons wrote: Mark, I used Revolution a couple of years ago to teach middle school kids interested in programming. Then I discovered NetLogo, an agent-based modelling system that traces its roots back to the original Logo. It is perfect for beginners, and has the advantage of immediate feedback and incremental development, just like HyperCard and Rev. It's free and being actively developed by the Center for Connected Learning at Northwestern University, http://ccl.northwestern.edu/netlogo/ I think Rev might benefit from the addition of TG-type controls, but it seems like a long shot to me. I have built a tool in Rev to work with NetLogo files if anyone does take an interest. (It needs to be updated -- I can't keep up with them!) Thanks for the link, Jim. I was in the process of putting together a list of features and functions for an introductory scripting language to be implemented in Revolution, and NetLogo will definitely help clarify my thinking. Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: copy locked text
From: Eric Chatonet Just try to set the autohilite of your field to true. If so, highlight *should* not disappear and the right selected chunk *should* be copied. Or there is another problem and I have not enough information to understand it :-) Well, that doesn't quite fix it. The highlight still goes away when you touch anything -- like the the Ctrl key. And still only the first text copied with Ctrl-C sticks. Any attempt to copy anything after that fails -- only the first-copied text is in the buffer -- until I close and reopen the stack. Then I can still only do just one copy with the newly opened stack. Same on Windows and Linux. Workaround - change to edit mode, with lockText off. But I don't want to give that open to read-only viewers, and it's an extra two-step -- off and then on again after copying -- for read and write users. Jerry ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Is style a kind of font ?
Klaus Major wrote: I, personally, consider this a bug! From the docs about textfont: If the chunk contains more than one font, the chunk's textFont property reports mixed. But even if the textfont is identical and only the styles are mixed I get put the textfont of line 1 of fld 1 - mixed Or am I missing something obvious? Technically, every size, style, and weight of a typeface is different font. Arial Bold is a different font from just plain Arial. In CSS, note that the font selection is for font-family (like, all the the Arials), font-size, font-stretch, font-style, font-variant, and font-weight. So, if you have the same family (Arial), but several styles (bold for a few characters, bold-italic for the rest), you will have a mixed property report. Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: On the Democratic Operation of Bugzilla
Jim Ault wrote: It would be nice if there was a wiki that would categorize bugs (text-in-fields, icons, standalones, Win32 vs Mac) that would read more like a book or simple outline. You mean, like http://revdocwiki.wikispaces.com/ ? Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Switch versus if/then/else ( was: Main menu puzzle, Klaus)
Richard Gaskin wrote: Rev is a software development tool. The only software worth developing is the stuff that doesn't exist yet. If what you need already exists it's almost always cheaper to just buy it than make it yourself. That's a perfect encapsulation of what drives me to programming. In fact, my next project is an apt illustration of the axiom. I'm writing a system status monitor that will put up a message telling you when the system is shut down, so you won't accidentally do any computing with the computer turned off. I'm having some problems with displaying the message at the moment, but I expect that I'll solve the issue with the new capabilities of Rev 2.7 when it becomes available on Linux. Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Change menuItem text?
From: Garrett Hylltun Well, I tried, but didn't hit the right answer. set menuItem 6 of button Edit to !cWord Wrap That's what I thought it would be, but either I am doing something wrong, or this is not proper. Can the text of a menuItem be changed? I would try put !cWord Wrap into menuItem 6 of button Edit Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
copy locked text
For a helpdesk application, I have fields with hyperlinks in their text. The fields have lockText and traversalOn both set to true, so the links will work. The user can mouse-drag to select text, Ctrl-C to copy (highlight disappears... oh, well...), and Ctrl-V in another app to paste. Perfect. Just what I need for helpdesk and CRM applications. However, only the first such select-and-copy works. Select another, and when you paste you get the first selection. Select another, even from the field after is is blanked and rewritten, and you can paste only the first selection. Less than perfect I've tried How do I allowing copying from lockText in the Help file, which got me this far. Now I need, How do I copy again? to keep me going. - Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [a] Get file name from full path and name?
From: Garrett Hylltun Does anyone know how to extract a file name and extension from a full path, such as from answer file ? Here's what I use in WikiRev: put it into curFileName set the itemDelimiter to / put the last item of curFileName into shortCurFileName put item 1 to -2 of curFileName into curFilePath Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev CGIs and Secure Forms
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mails seem to be going higglty pigglty (hope that is a world wide phrase) as well. No, it's not a universal cliche, but neither is catty-whumpus, dicey, or bass-ackwards, so we'll just have to make a huge leap of imagination and fantasize mail and email systems that could be somewhat suboptimal. Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [ANN] New External Released from Altuit
From: Chipp Walters That being said, we currently do have a couple of externals for Linux compiled and in testing. Just not altFont. Like maybe (pant-pant...) altBrowser? Or maybe I should go the other way, and push for a Revolution or DreamCard Player or StackRunner plug-in for FireFox Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Creating items on a card that isn't the current card.
From: Mathewson HOWEVER, if you really want to see 'remote control' in its full, mid-blowing potential then download my Master's degree stack (KALA.rev) via: http://members.maclaunch.com/richmond/files.html No files available from there, for some reason, unless I simply have not divined the correct click-thingy. Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: My 'KALA.rev' stack
From: Mathewson I know that at present Dr Lange is in the process of transferring files from one server to another so assume (?) that they will be available again shortly. Ah! Please ignore previous message Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Amazing, strange, and mystifying
From: Jim Ault I restarted my Mac (G5 dual, plenty of hard drive space, 10.4.2, rev 2.6.1), launched Rev, reopened the stack, and there was no part of the new scripting that I had done... none. Yes I do frequent saves, I have searched the drives for every version of this stack... there is only this *one version* so I am not accidentally opening the back up [which is located on another computer] Thought it was just me. Yesterday, I opened a stack to work on it, and found that it had nothing in it from previous days' work. It was easy to recognize that changes had not taken because I had changed the stack's name earlier, and the stack's titlebar now came up with the old name. Rev 2.6.1, Linux Ubuntu 5.04. No answers I'm just commiserating Jerry ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Re: save all?
- Original Message - From: Richard Gaskin You can make a plugin for it easily enough: on mouseUp repeat for each line tStack in the windows -- Exclude IDE stacks: if char 1 to 3 of tStack = rev then next repeat -- do the deed: save stack tStack end repeat end mouseUp That's it?! That's all it takes to write a plug-in? Boy, have I got some dandy plug-ins rattling around in the recesses of my alleged mind. You've created a monster, Richard! Jerry ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution Compatible with Debian Type Linux?
- Original Message - From: Dennis F. Desmarais ...But I really hope I can install the development package on my Linux distribution. Any thoughts? I'm running RR 2.6.1 on Ubuntu Breezy Badger as my development platform, with no problems other than my lack of programming adroitness (I'm new to Linux and RR at the same time). The package installation is almost trival -- untar the download into a folder. Click the RR executable. That's it. Everything RR needs lives in the untarred directory and subdirectories. To fancy things up a bit, I dragged the icon onto the bottom-screen taskbar for quick-launch access. How is it not working for you? Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: stopping Handlers
From: liamlambert Hi all I have this script in a button which calls three handlers the if statement checks the fld for the card number was filled in if it was not I want to stop calling the fsave and the fTotalSeats Handlers on mouseUp if fld paymenttype = credit card then fcredit fSave TotalSeats end mouseUp Thank's How about : on mouseUp if fld paymenttype = credit card then fcredit fSave TotalSeats end if end mouseUp -- Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Portable Apps..?
From: Chipp Walters I've been thinking a lot about this lately-- and I'm leaning on the side of creating next versions of my apps as mostly portable from now on. . . . Any thoughts about this before I take the leap? My apps are completely portable, so far. I run them from a USB jumpdrive, on Windows, Mac, and Linux. I have the three flavors of StackRunner, each in its own folder (Windows version uses a couple of DLLs it needs handy). My app, in a set of .rev stacks, lives in an app folder. Plug it in, fire up the appropriate StackRunner, grab the stack file, and I'm off and running. No installation, no registry-diddling, no Applications folder fiddling, no shell command starter scripts. No more lugging laptops, either! Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [ANN] surprise - new website to host codes
- Original Message - From: Marielle Lange as promised, the surprise: http://revolution.lexicall.org/codes/ Well, I was just going to commit the next three years of my life to creating something very, very similar in Revolution. Now it looks like I can pursue a new career maybe tournament bass fishing, or extreme ironing. Congratulations, Marielle, on a monumental dynamic reference achievement! Ill probably live on that site for the next four months. Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Text files from web servers--Say it ain't so!
- Original Message - From: Devin Asay [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've spent the better part of two days coding a utility designed to pull log files (plain ascii text) off a web server, then parse the contents for a report. After initially testing the concept with local files, today I realized that when you use the 'get URL http:// myserver.com/myfile.log' form it STRIPS ALL RETURNS out of the file! I must have known this before, but it slipped my deteriorating mind. Before I recode my utility, can someone tell me, is it possible to pull a text file off a web server using the http protocol and retain the return characters? I think the returns are there, but are converted to spaces by the browser, since that's the HTML way. I would try: code type=xtalk get URL http://myserver.com/myfile.log; put it into myText put pre before myText put /pre after myText /code Then save myText to a file with a .htm extension, and point the browser to the file. Jery Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
data files for Rev Online?
Can I upload data files to my space on RevOnline? The *.rev files will go, I know, but my little app has a couple of demo data files to go along with it. I'd like to upload a package like the WikiRev zip file on http://hytext.com/rev/ Maybe I should write a stack that harbors the data files, and unpacks them to the user's disk when run. Then I'd be uploading *.rev files only. Hmmm I guess I just answered my own question. However, that source has proven, in the past, to have variable reliability Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: data files for Rev Online?
From: Mark Wieder You might try putting the data files into custom properties, then unpacking them on stack initialization. Thanks, Mark. I'll do that. I'll want a separate stack though, for just that single purpose, that won't be needed for my zipped package. It'll be a good excuse to learn about customer properties... maybe some Base64 to blend graphics... a little XML a new career Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: data files for Rev Online?
From: Eric Chatonet You are perfectly right Mark. The only problem is that a stack downloaded from Rev Online lives in RAM until the user chooses to save it... Then you have to handle if the user saves the stack, where, delete or keep the files, rely dynamically the files to the stack, etc. Of course, it's easily doable but it means a lot of additional work... - Gee, and it started out so simple Well, I built the stack, and will shortly be uploading them. My assumption is that anyone with access to RevOnline knows all about saving, where to save, and what to do with mystery (beta) *.rev files. I reckon I'll find out pretty quick if I got it right, or what to change if I got it wrong! Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: data files for Rev Online?
- Original Message - From: Eric Chatonet Jerry, I was reading again my post. I hope you understood that my LOL was only about Gee, and it started out so simple --- Oh! I thought you had already downloaded and played with the programs. I wondered how you could do that at the same time I was uploading, but I've seen some of your programming, so I wouldn't be surprised to learn that you could simply grab files off my hard drive if you really wanted to! Okay, the deed is done. My Revolution Hello World program suite is uploaded. Off-list email comments would be welcome! Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: data files for Rev Online?
- Original Message - From: Thomas McGrath III Ok, well when I got to menus and controls I hit the text and nothing happened. The text turned red but the line under it stayed blue and it stayed on the previous content. So I hit others and most switched to content. But some did not. I captured a screen shot if you need to see it. If I click again or maybe double click then it would go to that pages content just fine. Is this a bug? Does anyone else see this? --- Thanks, Tom. Someone mentioned that to me before, but I couldn't replicate it. The double-click thing is weird, and might have to do with my first-time effort at scripting. I hope it's just that demo file. I'll run it on all platforms, and track the problem down. I appreciate your trying the program out! Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: data files for Rev Online?
From: Thomas McGrath III Ok, well when I got to menus and controls I hit the text and nothing happened. The text turned red but the line under it stayed blue and it stayed on the previous content. So I hit others and most switched to content. But some did not. I captured a screen shot if you need to see it. If I click again or maybe double click then it would go to that pages content just fine. I think I've got it, Tom. Several links in authoring.wik had extraneous u.../u surrounding the a.../a for the link designation. The first click activated the U, the second triggered the A, I think. I rashly used ctrl-u for Unlink, and the Rev environment apparently pasted an underline property in the HTML code when I was building that file. I don't see it happening with StackRunner on Linux, Win, or Mac, but I could see it pssibly happening with the Rev IDE on Win or Mac. I'll clean the demo files in a text editor, and repost them. Thanks, again! Jerry ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Message Box, multiple lines
Shouldn't the Message Box execute after several lines of code when you press Enter on a blank line? Doesn't happen in RR 2.6.1 Linux. Nothing in the docs (that I can find) on the use of Message Box... or on compiling to standalone... nothing on locking or passwording or otherwise protecting stacks... no Help buttons in most IDE dialogs... Help button in Choose Directory dialog does nothing... I'm trying to get set to expose my first RR app to the eager consuming public, and these little snags (probably due to my own inexperience) are knotting my knickers a bit. Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Message Box, multiple lines
From: Jerry Daniels Jerry, The multi-line message box will execute if the actual enter key is depressed. The key on many machines that says enter on it, may, in Rev's view, actually be the return key and generate a returnInfield message for the multi-line message box. On most machines (esp. laptops), holding down the function key and depressing the actual return key will result in an enterInField message to be sent to the message box. On desktop machines, most of their keyboards have an actual enter key at the bottom right corner. Thanks, Jerry. I should have known a Jerry would have the right answer! My two desktop machines have two Enter keys, one by the Shift key, and one on the keypad. Two of my Intel-based laptops have one Enter key, by the Shift key, as does my NEC palmtop. Only my Mac G3 has both an Enter key (by the space bar) and a Return key (by the Shift key). It turns out, experimenting on the inspiration provided by your elucidation, that on my desktop the keypad Enter key will trigger the action, as will Ctrl-Enter on the keyboard. I'm sure this is in the documentation, right at... er... um I submit that the distinction between returnInField and enterInField is absurd for text-entry applications like program editors and dialog boxes, and is of extremely limited utility for numeric entry applications. In fact, I doubt that anyone can provide an example supporting the rationale for not merging the Return and Enter key for good for all applications. (mumble-mumble, grumble, ratzn-fratz, drat-it...) The Original Jerry ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Message Box, multiple lines
From: J. Landman Gay Jerry Muelver wrote: I submit that the distinction between returnInField and enterInField is absurd for text-entry applications like program editors and dialog boxes, and is of extremely limited utility for numeric entry applications. In fact, I doubt that anyone can provide an example supporting the rationale for not merging the Return and Enter key for good for all applications. I use the distinction all the time. In card-based databases (think address book for example,) it is common to have multi-line fields which function as cells. Returns are accepted as part of the data. Enterkey is accepted to set the data and move to the next cell. This is pretty common for many types of databases. I have also created a multi-field table object that acts the same way. I see. Well, in 24 years of computing, I've never, until the G3, even SEEN a keyboard with both Enter and Return keys. The distinction must be a Mac thing. In the database apps I've programmed and used, single-line entries were always completed by either Tab or Enter (the one next to the shift keys) as optional moves to set and move to the next field, and multi-line entries allowed Enter within the cell and Tab to set and move on. I think the Enter/Return distinction is too clever by half (the RR Message Box icon tooltip for Single Line says Press Return to execute, and the Multiline tip reads Press Enter to execute, and all my keys say Enter), and I will never require my users to juggle such capriciousness. I'm beginning to understand how the FBI paid $750 million for a computer software project that doesn't work. I'll bet the programmers called for Return and all the keyboards were Enter type, and the poor agents were fumbling around looking for the AnyKey to press Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Message Box, multiple lines
- Original Message - From: Ken Ray ... Hope this helps, Certainly, it does, Ken. However, that doesn't explain why the tooltips in the Message Box would make the distinction without a clue about how to follow the instructions on a Enter key-only keyboard. Oh well, I know now, and can get rich by selling the information to other RR newbies. Now, [OT] if anyone wants to know why you have to produce charts in different keys for C, Bb, Eb, and F instruments in order to get them to play the same notes in a concert key in unison, I'll be happy to sell that information too. It is a silliness of the same quality, but several orders of magnitude greater. I'll never understand why people get into creating these little fixes for the wrong problems (see http://allmyfaqs.net/faq.pl?Fix_the_wrong_problem ), without asking me, first. Okay, back to coding, everybody! Many happy Returns/Enters! Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Whiteboard help
Do you mean the Whiteboard Courseware System, at http://whiteboard.sourceforge.net/ ? I'm interested in courseware development and presentation tools. What parts of Whiteboard do find inadequate or in need of enchancement? I wouldn't care much to get involved in producing open source software that simply duplicates what existing open source software already does.For instnace, looking at OpenOffice I can't imagine any compellling argument for doing another office productivity suite. Jerry Muelver - Original Message - From: Cal Horner Subject: Whiteboard help This is probably a well-worn topic, but I seem to be unable to find anything about any Rev Developer attempting to or successfully develop a stack with the features of the whiteboard. Or, if you haven't built the w/b have you used its features in some stack? If anyone reading this list should have been successful in developing something like the whiteboard, I'm sure that I and others would be interested in hearing about it. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Happy Holidays...
From: Lynch, Jonathan I enjoyed Richmond's PC Christmas greetings to everyone, and thought I'd do the same... ... For a list of celebrations that occur around the same time as the winter solstice, check out: http://www.religioustolerance.org/winter_solstice.htm Wonderful, very inclusive list! And, I must say, it's about time we atheists and other non-believers got recognition for our dedicated, persistent observance of Winter Solstice. By the way, I regret to report that our local Winter Solstice bonfire was unsuccessful this year -- heavy wet snowstorms followed by sub-zero temperatures made the brushpile unignitable by natural (non-petroleum-assisted) means -- so the Sun has not been shown how to return to full glory, and summer in the Northern Hemispere will be cancelled this year. Oh well, there's always next time! Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: wandering IDE windows on Linux
From: Girard Damien Subject: Re: wandering IDE windows on Linux This is a runrev bug. http://support.runrev.com/bugdatabase/show_bug.cgi?id=2360 Thanks, I'll figure out how to play the BZ game - Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Comments disappear from script
I had a bunch of helpful, instructional comments at the top of my stack script. After an hour or so of coding and saving reloading, I went back to review the comments, and they were gone. Is there some code-cleaning option that I triggered that would strip comments out? Rev 2.6.1 on Linux (Ubuntu Gnome). (Note: Replies to my previous questions were very helpful, and much appreciated. Is it good form to give generic thanks, or does this community thrive better on one-on-one replies to replies. I come from a fairly taciturn, bandwidth-conservative background) Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Player Duration to hh:mm:ss
From: Eric Chatonet Hi Jerry, Tutorials Picker has been tested and optimised for Mac OS 9, Mac OS X, Win 2000 and XP but not for Linux. I would be glad if you could give me some details in order to make it functional on Linux. Thanks Thanks, Eric. Here's a snap of what I see: http://hytext.com/picker.jpg (152k) The tooltip lights up nicely, though. Menu selection bar is dark blue and almost not readable. However, the detail descriptions on the side panel are wonderful! Would you like a snap of that? Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Comments disappear from script
From: Ken Ray One question - are you colorizing your scripts, or did you turn on colorization recently? The reason I ask is that Rev keeps a formatted copy of your scripts handy so it can show you the colorized version when you want to see it. So there might have been some kind of disconnect between the plain text version of the script (with comments) and the formatted one (no comments). I haven't seen this before, but it's the only thing I could think of... I'll play around with that a bit. I have hit the colorize switch a couple of times. Now that I know I'm looking for something, I'll pay more attention to possible causes. Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Player Duration to hh:mm:ss
From: Eric Chatonet Hi Jerry, Tutorials Picker has been tested and optimised for Mac OS 9, Mac OS X, Win 2000 and XP but not for Linux. I would be glad if you could give me some details in order to make it functional on Linux. Thanks Note to the List -- Eric just sent me an updated version of Tutorials Picker that plays as-designed on Linux. It looks great! A simply marvelous tool! Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Player Duration to hh:mm:ss
From: Jerry Muelver Garret, put the Tutorial Picker .rev file in RR's plugins directory, then run it from RR's IDE menu Development Plugins Tutorial Picker. However, I should mention that on Linux (Ubuntu Gnome) the menu picklist is black on dark charcoal, so I have to pause-mouse over a menu item to pick up the tooltip expansion to read the item Being new to both Linux and RR, I suspect I'm missing a configuration parameter somewhere off in command-line wilderness. Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
App code protection options?
The people on this list have been so helpful answering my asked and unasked questions that I'm making good progress in building an ultimately commercially viable product in RR. So, suppose a guy came up with something that could be really HUGE, market-wise. Is there a procedure, policy, method for protecting stack code to keep from being stolen blind? Say, release only as compiled executables, munge transcript code within the executable, encrypt associated files... or any other paranoid devices? Apps built on other platforms have protection options, but none of them are cross-platform. For instance, I use Armadillo registration key systems for applications for Windows, but have no way to provide for that function cross-platform. Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Is this possible.
Martin, Excel has some built-in data reporting and display tools, accessible through VBA (Visual Basic Applications), which is part of Excel. Have you explored those features? While Revolution is a fine tool, it's better to use an appropriate screwdriver when you've got screws to drive, even though a smart rap with a hammer would do the job. Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Player Duration to hh:mm:ss
From: Garrett Hylltun And how do I actually use this Tutorial Picker? I'm at a screen on it where it says Loading succesful, but there are no active buttons to continue on to the tutorials, only a Make a Donation! button is active. Do I need to make a donation in order to use this program? Thanks a bunch, -Garrett Garret, put the Tutorial Picker .rev file in RR's plugins directory, then run it from RR's IDE menu Development Plugins Tutorial Picker. Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: ClickText problem
When I use clickText in HyperCard I get the word I clicked on. When I use it in Revolution I'm getting the full line. How do I get only the word I click on? From the Help file) - When a field's listBehavior is set to true, and user clicks a line, the entire line is highlighted. So, set the field's listBehavior to false, and set the individual word's textStyle to link. (See link in the Help files). Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
wandering IDE windows on Linux
RevRun 2.6.1 on Ubuntu Linux does not redisplay IDE-related windows and palettes exactly where they were when I last closed the program. And windows opened during traversal of Help files and tuturials are also a bit peripatetic -- each new window opens a bit down and to the left of the window just closed. Is this minor misbehavior characteristic of Linux, RR, or just my machine? Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: sheet stack (to card x)
From: Scott Morrow I'm looking to open a stack as a sheet but I need to make sure it opens to a specific card. Because it needs to stop script execution I'm doing the following: Scott, what's a sheet? (Win and Linux guy here, only recently exposed to Mac by gift of an ancient G3) Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
LTRIM, RTRIM
Are there in RF functions complementary to BASIC's RTRIM and LTRIM functions? Or, is this kind of chunk manipulation a do it yourself project? I have .title, Going Home And I want get item 2 and strip the leading space. I know I can check character 1 and delete it if it's a space, but thought I'd try to find a LTRIM function first. Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Oh Christ... Image Name?
How about putting the HTMLtext of the whole line into a variable, then parsing the variable for a img src= chunk to pick out a possible imageSource identifier? Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: How to make the lists all on the one list
I think flagging off-topic subjects with an OT: prefix in the subject line should do the job quite nicely. One could even hang a mail rule in one's email client to dump all the OT:'s without downloading. Or, dump all the others and keep JUST the OT:'s, for that matter. Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Text database using custom properties
To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Text database using custom properties Dom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Take also a look to VoodooPad... there is free Lite version, but the interesting features belong only to the full version... I forgot a link: http://www.flyingmeat.com/voodoopad/ Hmmm Looks like my first RR project WikiRev, due for exposure in a couple of days, as soon as I finish using it to write its own docs. Also looks like my own WikiWriter at http://hytext.com/ww which is Windows-only but inspired my efforts to work on a cross-platform version in RR. Great minds, parallel thoughts Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Is there a virus in one of Rev's file?
From: Kevin Miller On 4/12/05 7:51 pm, Éric Miclo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've just reinstalled Rev and Intego VirusBarrier tels me that the revspeechsapi4.dll contains a virus called w32.NetSky.Q. Is somebody aware of that? We tested the distribution before shipping it. We also checked it again today against the latest virus filters. We can find no trace of a virus in this file. Are you sure there wasn't one on your system before? - That's likely a false positive on the part of Intego. The w32.Netsky report crops up when the virus checker finds a signal pattern, which may have been replicated by chance in the DLL. I've seen these reports generated for fresh EXEs created by reputable compilers. Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Into the flamefest
For me, the most interesting aspect of typical flame wars is the persistent demonstration of logical fallicies offered by participants on all sides. http://members.tripod.com/AttitudeAdjustment/Books/Logic.htm provides a useful summary. In the heat of the flame, personalities lose their multidimensional quality and collapse down to their core structure, well-illustrated at http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/index.htm From a purely logical standpoint, all programming tools and languages have their identifying strengths and shortcomings. The first job of the programmer is to understand the problem. Selecting the tool is the second job. If a chosen tool is unsuitable to the task at hand, cast it aside and try another. It is a poor carpenter who blames his tools for the quality of his work, or who faults the work of others solely for the tools they use. Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Save on Linux, not on Mac, Win
From: Ken Ray On 12/5/05 8:23 PM, Jerry Muelver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ken, StackRunner won't even run the stack on Win XP. It just goes away after I select the stack file. On Mac, is showed the same reluctance to access the file as Dreamcard Player. Jerry, I'll contact you offlist to follow up on this so we can patch StackRunner to make it work for you situation. Looks like it was me, not StackRunner, Ken. I tweaked my stack to fix some file-processing glitches. Then I fed the fixed stack to StackRunner and it ran perfectly! Superb product, Ken! Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Save on Linux, not on Mac, Win
From: Sarah Reichelt It sounds like the filter on your answer file is not matching your data file type correctly. Try using answer file without any filters and see if that works. Yup. That was it. Runs fine without the filter. This is great! My little hypertext-doc-building app now runs on Linux, Win, and Mac, and the data files swap across platforms with no glitches. I can use my app to build its own documentation now! Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Into the flamefest
From: David Burgun 1200 Baud modems are the key to a happy life. You got 1200baud?! I was thrilled to move from a 110baud, strap-on-the-phone-mouthpiece acoustic modem to the great-guns 300baud phone cradle modem. And now you say they make 1200baud modems? Where will it stop?! Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: What Rev Needs -- Again (was Why is Konfabulator Pretty?)
The kids in the K-12 where I do some substitute teaching (good hobby for a mostly-retired technical writer!) use MS Word and PowerPoint for doing reports. The 6th and 7th graders tend to throw web-caught graphics into their projects, so a simple one-paragraph book report will have a half-page photo at the top, or an ocean-view sunset background. The PP reports are transition- and clipart-heavy. The high-schoolers get a little more academic in their approach, but will still produce materials with elegant (or garish) font treatments if they are banned from using graphics. It's all very entertaining. If a Dreamcard version could have its interface simplified, along the lines of PowerPoint with scripting, to regain the impact and newbie-usability of the original HyperCard, it would be an excellent entry-level programming environment for schools. The projects I'm working on fall into that entry-level category, leaning on the hypercard paradigm for purposeful work. I remember how Revolution got its start as an extended IDE for MetaCard. Maybe it's time for a contracted IDE for Revolution to happen. Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Revolution Encyclopedia
From: J. Landman Gay Jerry Muelver wrote: Is the Encyclopedia better exposed in more recent versions of Revolution? Unfortunately I don't think it even ships with later versions. Oh. Well, then... It looks like I've got a jump-start on sources for my Beginner's Guide to Revolution project, doesn't it? I'll get right on it, as soon as I get my text-card hypertext authoring for the computer clueless project working, so I'll have a documentation tool even I can understand and use Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Save on Linux, not on Mac, Win
My first Rev app, being developed on Linux with Rev 2.2.1, saves and reads a data file. On Windows XP, with Dreamcard Player running the stack, the program goes through the motions of saving when called to, but nothing gets saved. On Mac, with Player, the file gets saved, but can't be opened by the program -- answer file dialog shows the file grayed out, and not selectable. I use ask file to SaveAs originally, direct open file for in-progress saves, and answer file to open or re-open the file. I'll try using *.txt instead of my own extension, just in case. But in the meantime, are there file access issues I have to tweak for each platform? Are there filename extension or type conditions that come into play? Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Save on Linux, not on Mac, Win
Thanks to all, for the suggestions and methods. The Easter Egg click on the logo is intriguing. I'll try each of them, and let you know what worked. Ken, StackRunner won't even run the stack on Win XP. It just goes away after I select the stack file. On Mac, is showed the same reluctance to access the file as Dreamcard Player. Looks like I may have to sell one of the kids, or maybe just the pets, to finance an upgrade. Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Save on Linux, not on Mac, Win
The non-secure mode check did the trick. Now I can work on the disappearing 'return' when saving HTMLtext to a container and then to a file, and loading it back in again. Oh well... If programming were actually easy, everybody would be doing it! Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Revolution Encyclopedia
I just, a couple of minutes ago, stumbled into the Revolution Encyclopedia in the Rev 2.2.1 Help files. Stumbled... STUMBLED!... by following a See Also link in a Transcript Language Dictionary topic. This is too seminal a reference source to be buried in a when we think you are ready for it link. There should be a menu entry under Help for the encyclopedia. While I am delighted to have found this little Easter egg, and will now throw out all my scripts for my first application and rewrite them to take advantage of the wealth of information and insight contained in the encyclopedia, I am still mildly torqued to have missed it these first three weeks of my Revolution programming career. I'll get over it when I take the time to admire my rewritten scripts, I'm sure. Is the Encyclopedia better exposed in more recent versions of Revolution? Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Why isn't Rev more popular?
- Original Message - From: Dan Shafer Subject: Re: Why isn't Rev more popular? 1. As a small company, RunRev doesn't have the resources to get the product as widely promoted as it could if it were larger. That's a Catch-22. The only solution to the problem framed that way would be to sell more product to get big enough to sell more product. 2. It's not like anything conventional professional programmers know about so trying to explain it in a capsule is very difficult even for those of us who understand it well. Conventional professional programmers already have the tools they need to practice their profession. They are not motivated to migrate to something new on the basis of features, but on the basis of benefits. Sell the benefits, not just the unconventionality, to gain a foothold in the professional programming beachfront. 3. It competes with free languages and tools such as Java, JavaScript, Python, Perl, PHP, many flavors of C. I think it competes more with other IDE is GUI is Program languages like Smalltalk and Prolog. A Revolution stack is a process, not a goal. It's more like a wiki compared to a blog, than it is an interpreter compared to a compiler. 4. It's not taught at the university level. Well http://revolution.byu.edu/indexgeneric.html 5. It has been widely (mis)perceived as a Mac language, particularly because of its resemblance in terminology and language syntax to HyperCard. Dan, that should be A Good Thing, especially for Macophiles! I originally came across MetaCard in the Windows environment, in a corporate setting, producing EPSS (Electronic Performance Support Systems -- online Help and training) material for presentation on Unix/Solaris systems. The write here, play everywhere paradigm is a powerful point for Revolution. There are dozens of others. Indeed. A primary consideration is that Revolution has strong appeal to solo programmers who do not (or won't) work in team projects. That constrains it to Inventive Users, not corporate team players whose projects could garner accolades and publicity beyond the pale of the solo producer's capabilities. It would help Revolution to follow up on, and evangelize, the projects of their Enterprise edition users for publicity, and their solo users for beadth of applications and possibilities. Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Constant 'Nonsense' about RR documentation
From: David Burgun RunRev is different in this respect and many times no one seems to actually know what is *supposed* to happen and I get a number of work arounds to a problem (from this list mainly) that may or may not work in all situations. Wiki? Dump the online docs into wiki pages, allow corrections/annotations to accumulate, integrate revisions for next release of docs. Wiki access could be through registered DreamCard or Revolution IDE, simplifying the qualified editor screening process and eliminating the wiki-link spammers and graffiti artists. Jerry Muelver Wiki is the answer. What was the question, again? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Daily Comics in RunRev... A Garfield a day keeps the stress away!
From: Ton Kuypers Subject: Daily Comics in RunRev... A Garfield a day keeps the stress away! That's why I've just uploaded a small stack to RevOnline under General or at the user DMP. Where IS RevOnline? Google is no help. Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Daily Comics in RunRev... A Garfield a day keeps the stress away!
Thanks, Andre, Jim, Ken. Things have changed a bit since my 1998 MetaCard days, and this old dog is working hard at learning all the new tricks. Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Daily Comics in RunRev... A Garfield a day keeps thestress away!
From: Andre Garzia Jerry, RevOnline is only accesible thru Rev IDE or Dreamcard Player. Launch Rev IDE, there's a menu development, the first item of this menu is RevOnline... ;-) Cheers andre Whoops Nope. I've got Rev 2.2.1, Linux get acquainted version, with no Rev Online in the Development menu. I guess I'll have to wait until my CFO (wife) comes through with the upgrade cost. I need a persuader. I'll put together a Revolution Linux replacement for MS Office and OpenOffice, so she can see that I'm serious about this. Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Daily Comics in RunRev... A Garfield a day keeps thestress away!
From: Martin Baxter Subject: Re: Daily Comics in RunRev... A Garfield a day keeps thestress away! Jerry, All is not lost though. List member Eric Chatonet recently made available a stack for accessing the stacks at revOnline, which should work with your version. It is called online picker and can be downloaded at Eric's website: http://www.sosmartsoftware.com/ Martin Baxter Got it, Martin, thanks much! Jerry Muelver ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [OT] Handling Returned Virus Mail
From: Scott Rossi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [OT] Handling Returned Virus Mail Over the last week I've been inundated (yet again) with a tidal wave of bounced virus email messages. Of course I did not initiate any of the original messages -- I'm receiving the bounced attempts and server notices as a result of virus propagation. Any suggestions on how to combat this problem? Just set your filter to intercept any returned emails, and delete them from the server without downloading. If you aren't sending them out in the first place, why would you want to read the bogus bounce notices anyway? Jerry ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
