Re: Syllabic division of words
Something close to what I think Randall was talking about is LSA (Latent Semantic Analysis). Indeed, rumour has long held that it is the basis of Apple's junk filter in Safari. The original source for the work is here: http://lsa.colorado.edu/ On 22-Aug-09, at 6:47 PM, use-revolution-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote: Randall, OK, well let's carry on from there. Are you familiar with this project? http://www.research.sun.com/knowledge/papers.html Something similar in xTalk would be pretty darn cool, I would think. Especially if it were to index and search the web =). -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: 2 things
Amateurs. I still keep Apple ][ GS computers running (you want vblint sync, that is all that is left; you want horizontal line scanning sync: there is no other machine!). And Hypercard on the ][GS (full colour!) was in many ways what hypercard should have been on the mac. It died with the ][GS, but it was fun. I still run it in emulation on OSX (and then back-port the software to the ][GSs). On 21-Apr-09, at 6:55 PM, use-revolution-requ...@lists.runrev.com wrote: Wow, Andre, that's the right attitude! Unfortunately about 9 of my older computers are stuffed in the attic of my house in St Andrews, Scotland, and I have yet to work out how to get them to Bulgaria (especially my 'first love', my BBC Master Compact). I had great fun 2 years ago, on holiday in Scotland, running up a whole pile of simple programs for my school using Runtime Revolution 1.1.1 on an all-in-one Mac Performa PC 5260CD and then burning all the stuff onto a CD via my external 4x SCSI burner; lovely job! I also managed to convert some Hypercard stuff of mine with Metacard and then use that as a foundation for some new things. Mind you, the built-to-order SCSI card I have in the back of my G4 Mac only seems to work with Mac OS 9, and then plays funny games with my ZIP drive. If I could get all my old Macs to Bulgaria I would probably use them instead of the Pentium IIIs with Ubuntu as I believe their lives will be longer. sincerely, Richmond Mathewson. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Table field text formating
On 17-Dec-08, at 9:12 PM, Richard wrote: It may be easier to get the exact feature you need than to ask RunRev to become a type foundry. If all you need is a one-pixel font, I'm sure there are plenty around. But perhaps we might ask why this is useful, and look one step further to the mechanics of the underlying text rendering in the field object to get exactly what we most want. It may be that such additions would become trivial once RunRev adds independent column alignment to fields. Slogging through big blocks of text line by line and/or word by word, measuring each and adding/subtracting a number of special one-pixel characters can be quite slow, and not the sort of thing I enjoy teaching to newcomers for simple text alignment. So hopefully instead we can just get the appearance we want just as we want it at the moment it's rendered. I doesn't hurt to ask. :) Yes, and we have those text-description languages available now: postscript (which most of us now experience as PDF) and TeX/LaTeX--- both of which microtype to way (way!) better than a 1-pixel character. Writing the code for either is (relatively) trivial. So, given every modern operating system has engines for both, all Rev has to do is invoke the engines when needed. For example, in addition to html, one should be able to declare a field postscript or TeX/LaTeX, put the code, and Rev simply calls the appropriate engine/renderer to produce it. -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html -Dr. John R. Vokey ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: When they ask, what is this written in?
I say the same thing, except I call it Metacard. On 1-Dec-08, at 7:16 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, just to throw another spanner in the works:- The very few times people ask me how I make my programs I state that I use: Runtime Revolution, a complete programming package. No 'language', 'IDE', 'GUI', and so on, os mentioned; probably because most people seem perfectly satisfied with that answer. The few who are not satisfied get treated to 30 minutes of my demonstrating RR, and 30 minutes while I go away and let them play with RR. The end result is either Wow! or I don't understand how computers work anyway. -- Yep, the dyslexic atheist claims there is no dog, but that is not half as risky as the dyslexic devil worshiper who sold his soul to Santa ;-) Dr. John R. Vokey ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Random algorithm
All, rant This has bugged me for a long time (back to the days of the Apple //, at least). All programming languages should *document* their RNGs, so we have some idea of what they are, and, especially, how bad they are (and most are very bad). LGN RNGs are not necessarily bad (a colleague and I developed some quite good ones, back in the day: http://www.kaner.com/pdfs/random.pdf , but, as Marsaglia has documented more recently, we can do so much better. If you want the Rev (actually, old hypercard) code for my and Kaner's LNG RNGs, I can send it to you, but it is recursive (it replaces itself in place), so can only be used in the IDE or Rev Player (or any variant that doesn't render the RNG stack as a standalone). But, the better principle is the more RNGs (even bad ones) the better. Then, as Marsaglia demonstrated, simply *combine* them in some way: e.g., use RNG 1 to choose which of n RNGs you choose from next, use the result of that second RNG to select among the remaining n-1, and so on, until you get a number. Even a collection of bad RNGs will produce quite random numbers under Marsaglia's insight. /rant On 12-Nov-08, at 6:38 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Many thanks for your two cents ! I wonder if the first name of people answering my first question is really random : Mark, Mark and Mark... Jacques ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: use-revolution Digest, Vol 60, Issue 34
Use GraphicConvertor (it can be used freely) on the snapshots to create a gif movie, setting the timing for each shot, then covert to qt format. On 16-Sep-08, at 11:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Snapper is not working like I'd hoped, at least with my primitive eMac. The problem seems to be that the display is not always fully rendered for the screen 'snap', so that the image sometimes is incomplete. Too bad, because this could be an easy way to accomplish what I need to do. I will borrow a much more capable Mac and try again. However, it looks like exporting snapshots from Revolution and then creating a qt movie from the saved images might be the most reliable way to render the sequence of images as a qt movie. I'm open to suggestions about the best way to create a qt movie from the saved snapshot images. -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html -Dr. John R. Vokey ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Arrays: new and old keys, i
Thank you all, for this discussion. Really. It was more informative than the release notes could even hope to be. The exemplars of why the new array features were so obviously useful helped me a lot in exactly one way: I have no idea what you who promote these ``new'' features are on about. Opaque doesn't begin to describe my appreciation of your views on these ``new'' features. Admittedly, I have only been programming in everything from machine code through every passing fad since the 1960s, so I may be either dated or stunned. But, really, I just don't get it. Again, I ask, what have we gained by the ``new'' array features, besides more brackets? Setting fred[z] to empty does not seem to me to be a major advancement. Or, at least not one that is at best a trivial change. Telling me that you can now set orange to apple does not help except in light of how anyone could not do so before. As far as I can see nothing prevented anyone from doing so in the old array system. So, please, please, help me. I am usually the first to jump on the newest and latest, but these new array referencing functions leave me non- plussed. And they still suffer from an old incongruity that I have complained about for years: array[fred] differs if fred has been previously defined (i.e., has content), in which case the content (value?) of array[fred] is the value(fred) of array; otherwise it is the literal fred of array. -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html -Dr. John R. Vokey ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Arrays: new and old keys, i
On 11-Sep-08, at 7:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 11, 2008, at 5:55 PM, Björnke von Gierke wrote: Now I understand, I didn't consider not to tell rev how many sub arrays there would be. I have no clue when this would be useful though, maybe you can explain that? Sure. One thing that the ability to dynamically specify a key would do is open up additional algorithms. Let's take the XML for example. T ... ellipsis intentional Can anybody explain what the new array format provides that the old did not? All these bizarre examples seem not so much as exemplifying the ``new'' features as to leave me baffled as to what added value they provide. In NONE of the supposed or alleged examples have I seen anything I could not do with old arrays. So, and I mean in really simple language (not OOP-speak), wtf is up with these new arrays? I see nothing but extra brackets. -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html -Dr. John R. Vokey ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
when is an integer not an integer?
The statement: set the randomseed to x is not consistent. In both the Rev and MC documentation, x must be an integer. So, for example, set the randomseed to the seconds works in the sense that a new and different sequence is subsequently generated by random and any statements. But set the randomseed to the ticks, or set the randomseed to the milliseconds, both fail in that the same sequence is generated every time. Yet, each of the ticks/the milliseconds/the seconds is an integer return true. It appears clear that the randomseed property requires small integers (on the order of the seconds). But, it is still the case that even though the ticks is an integer, is is too large of an integer for the randomseed property. -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html -Dr. John R. Vokey ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Possibly this is expected, but...
I run all my stacks *as stacks* in the MetaCard IDE: that is, I do not create standalones. I sent a series of my stacks to a colleague to use, pointing him to StackRunner to download to run my stacks. They ran in a sense, but not completely. In particular, all the subsidiary materials (image files, sound files, etc.) for the stacks are contained in either the same directory containing the stack or in a sub-directory, and none of these would load when run with StackRunner, but work just fine in the IDE (and the RR IDE, as well). I set the path(s) to these subsidiary materials in an openCard handler of the first card of the stacks, similar to the following: global thePath,tonepath,datapath,numblocks,theTrials on openCard -- -- Get/Set Paths -- put the filename of this stack into thePath set the itemdelimiter to / delete the last item of thePath set the filename of image theback to thePath/ N44NNBWeb2_goldman.jpg put thePath/data/ into datapath put thePath/tones/ into tonepath end openCard which, as I said, works fine in the IDE. To make a long story short, I tracked the problem down to a preopenStack handler of the stack script: on preopenStack set the loc of me to the screenloc--centre stack set the fixstack of this stack to false hide menubar set the decorations of this stack to empty set the backdrop to black hide stack Home hide message end preopenStack *Any* preopenstack handler. That is, the existence of the preopenstack handler appears to block the generation of the openCard handler, but only in StackRunner (and in a standalone, if I create one), but NOT in either the two IDEs. If I remove the preopenstack handler, everything runs just fine (and the same) in the IDEs and StackRunner. I think this is a serious bug (and I'll never recover the hours it took to track down), but perhaps others have some good explanation for this marked difference in behaviour between the IDEs and standalones? Incidentally, passing the preopenstack message at the end of the preopenstack handler changes nothing: it still works as expected in the IDEs, but the openCard script is not triggered in StackRunner. -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html -Dr. John R. Vokey ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: copyright infringement question
Check out some of Cem Kaner's publications on what is, is not, and should be acceptable practise: http://www.kaner.com/articles.html On 15-Apr-08, at 9:22 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings, venerable collegues, Would you have a few minutes to give me your brief opinion on a copyright/intellectual property infringement question? There is a difference of opinion at our company and I'm seeking some outside perspective. Or maybe, refer me to some URL? Any help gratefully acknowledged in advance. The issue is, in developing a new software program to compete with other companies that already offer such a program, what is acceptable with respect to using the existing competitor's product? -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html -Dr. John R. Vokey ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: use-revolution Digest, Vol 55, Issue 5
I agree completely with Richard, except for one thing: the opening dialogue as one is installing the update still says ``...off of...''. Sheesh. I may be a curmudgeon, but why continue to rile me for years? ``...off... will do, is standard English, and will allow me to relax my hackles (assuming I have them). Please. On 3-Apr-08, at 7:31 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill Marriott wrote: I'm sure a lot of you have noticed that the runrev.com web site looks a bit different in the last couple of hours. ... In other news, Revolution 2.9 is live. Congrats to the team on both front. The web site looks great, with many improvements in both usability and aesthetics. And v2.9 - what can I say, it may well be the best release ever. Thanks! -- Richard Gaskin Managing Editor, revJournal -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html -Dr. John R. Vokey ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Mac Mod competition anyone? (a request)
On 7-Aug-07, at 10:56 AM, Heather wrote: Dear list members, I came across this today, and thought h I wonder if any of our esteemed community would get a kick out of entering it: http://www.macmod.com/index.php? option=com_contenttask=viewid=308Itemid=234 You are, after all, a creative bunch... cheers Heather Heather (and all the rest of you): note the line-break in the link, making a simple click impossible. Could you (and all the others on this list who persist in using long---and ultimately wrapped---links) please either a) put the link in in angle brackets, like this: http://www.macmod.com/index.php? option=com_contenttask=viewid=308Itemid=234, or b) goto to tinyurl.com to generate a short url that won't need to be wrapped. -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html -Dr. John R. Vokey ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [off-topic] spreadsheet for MacOSX
Try Mariner Calc: not free, but inexpensive, and it is available as universal for OS X intel macs http://www.marinersoftware.com/ sitepage.php?page=14 -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html -Dr. John R. Vokey ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: mac help needed
Bob, SuperAnova runs fine under Classic---at least I have never had any problems, and is not locked in anyway, so it should work following a simple copy. I suspect the Classic system files on the OS X machine are not complete. SuperAnova even runs fine under Sheepshaver (system 8.6), and miniVMac, with systems 7.x. Indeed, it even works in miniVMac with system 6.08! On 22-Jan-07, at 7:13 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All. I've not been around recently, see you all soon, howeverI Need your help. THis is not a rev question but a mac question. One of the Prof's here is giving a statistics tutorial. He uses a program called SuperANOVA. He is the registered user, but has it on an old blueberry iMac running OS 9.2. He has lost the discs and the iMac doesn't have video out to an external projector (well I cant see one). He would like to use this on his powerbook. I thought he could simply copy the app folder over, however, it wont run. I cannot see anything related to the app in another folder. He cannot contact the company (abacus systems) because they are defunct (website is now a financial company). Is there a way to find the files associated with this app on his machine (he needs a backup anyway) so we can run it to show the students proper stats. If we copied the hard disc over to an external hard drive and ran it from that disc would the app run or are mac apps pathway specific? Any help appreciated. Cheers Bob ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Rev Graphics Gurus
Dar, An old thread, and I hope you don't mind me contacting you directly. I asked a while back about presenting the average of two images, and you suggested that I a) group them, b) set the ink property of each, including the group, to blendSrcOver, and c) then set the opacity 0% and 50%. I am only know trying this stuff out, only to find that that there is no ink called blendSrcOver, but there is an ink called blend, and there is a basic property called blend. Are these what you meant? Second, what is the function of grouping the images? Wouldn't the inks work the same without the grouping? Dr. John R. Vokey ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Thank you for all of the help
Well, say what you want, but as a psychologist I am of two minds about schizophrenia. :-) On 6-Dec-06, at 11:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Schizophrenia has ***nothing*** to do with multiple personality disorders. Forget Sybil it was a total joke and a lie. Think more A beautiful Mind which shows (one form) of schizophrenia - that of paranoid delusions. There are others - but multiple personality disorders do not in anyway portray symptoms of schizophrenia. -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html -Dr. John R. Vokey ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: unexpected behavior 'on mouseup'
Jim wrote: Do four simple steps: [1] Make a new mainstack [2] set the card script to on mouseUp put the long id of the target the seconds end mouseUp [3] Make a new button [4] Choose Browse mode --- Why does the card script run when clicking the button that contains the script: on mouseUp end mouseUp It is as if the button has 'pass mouseUp' implied. Now add any character to the button script, such as a space, click apply, and no message is passed (but the script is the same) Not a show-stopper, but fooled me when using a transparent button to block mouse clicks. Perhaps this is already bugzilla'd, or is expected behavior. Jim Ault Las Vegas The button *does* pass mouseUp because it contains *no script* at all! The on mouseUp handler is added for your convenience, but if you don't edit the script in anyway, it is deleted when the editor window is closed -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html -Dr. John R. Vokey ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
just a comment
All, One of my students got caught by the following in her stack: At the top of the card script, she declared some variables local to the scripts of that card, as we always we do. For one of these variables, she did not initialise it in any way. However, the use of that variable is always done with ``put tab and someData after thelocalvariable''. No problem on first use, but the stack always returns to the first cd of the stack to run the next subject, and when it gets back to this cd, the local variable still exists (as if it were a global), so the ``tab someData'' gets added to the end of the data from the previous run. No big deal, as we can just clear the variable in the opencard handler, but it is surprising, as local variables are not supposed to be persistent, at least to my knowledge. -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html -Dr. John R. Vokey ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Rev Graphics Gurus
Rev Graphics Gurus, I have two general questions (which ultimately will evolve into many more). I need to manipulate the contents of images in Rev in two ways: 1) I need to average, pixel by pixel, two images (of the same size) before display of that average. So, the question is: how do I access the individual pixels of the two images? Do I load them as binary, and then locate the pixels (somehow) within the binary objects? Load them as images, and then (somehow) access Rev's internal representation? 2) I need the end user to be able manipulate within Rev under user control the RGB of CMYK settings of an image (e.g., increase B, while decreasing R, and so on) much like the RGB and CMYK sliders in the OS X Colors palette, and then apply (on the fly) those new settings to a displayed image. Any suggestions even to get me started will be helpful. -JRV ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev Graphics Gurus
Thanks Ken and Scott: a beautifully clear exposition! -JRV ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Dependence on Programming Experts
A bit late in the debate (but I am at my cottage with at best primitive dial-up): On 11-Jul-06, at 8:29 PM, Dan wrote: I for one wish Rev had never compromised and begun using the equal sign as an assignment operator. Many (perhaps most) other languages disambiguate the confusing uses by some artificial construct. In Pascal, e.g., assignment is :=. In C/C++ as I recall, equality is testred with == and some special type of equality is ===. Just syntactical crap. As Richard says, if this is an optional addition to the language, I guess I'd grudgingly -- VERY darned grudgingly -- look the other way. But I'd hold my nose at the same time. I can't but disagree. I have yet to find anyone with more than a few minutes of experience who is confused by a statement such as `x=1' *in context*. Indeed, I would go so far as to advocate further that even the logical variants of `x=1' have a numerical value (e.g., 0 for false, 1 for true) as in many languages (especially BASICs), so that the logical value can be used directly in algebraic (and string) expressions without having to work through a lengthy series of logical conversions. For example: x = (z=x)*y # if z=x then x=y, else x=0; what could be simpler? A good example of the silliness of over-emphasising the acontextual distinction between assignment and logical statements is seen in the programming/statistical system/language R (GNU's S): for years the most common operation of assignment required the clumsy syntax x-1 # assign the value of 1 to x, almost as stupid as Pascal's x:=1 two-keystrokes (including a shift-key for one of the characters) for the most common statement! The usual comments were trotted out in defence: ``but a statement such as x=1 is ambiguous, and confusing to the user!'' Eventually, the keepers of R (all wonderful people of surpassing brilliance and humanity) relented, and x=1 # assign the value of 1 to x was allowed as an *optional* variant of x-1. The average, or even novice R user has no more problem interpreting such statements than does the R parser/interpreter (which is never confused over this issue). And, in R the x-1 syntax is even less arbitrary than in RR/ MC, because a reversal of the assignment arrow, x-y, also has a unique meaning in R. (One does note, though, that most R books still use the x-1 form, probably because they are written by my fellow professorial colleagues who never miss an opportunity to evince pedantry.) Many other languages have at least recognised that lengthening the assignment statement is inefficient, so instead have lengthened the logical form, using such constructions as `x==1' for a test of equality. Again, though, as this is the most common form of the logical test (i.e., equality is tested more often than most other logical statements), it is inefficient, and, again, as it is always clear from the context (and, note, therefore as simple to write the interpreter for one form as the other), such requirements amount to no more than pedantry and fussiness. As noted, the solution is not to force a given syntax, but to offer efficient shortcuts as options. So, use put 1 into x if you want, but allow for x=1 as an equivalent, but more efficient syntax. After all, RR/MC allows for regex expressions, and they are hardly transparent or non-ambiguous to the novice (or even experienced!) user! -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html -Dr. John R. Vokey ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
RE: Transcript and Dot Notation
All, I'd rather stick pins in my eyes. Seriously: what is gained here that can't be accomplished with either a) copy and paste (my favourite) or b) object duplication (my next favourite)? I have programmed in virtually every language extant (and many no longer), including most machine languages, assemblers, and their ugly ``high-level'' equivalents (e.g., C, C++), flipping (real) switches in octal on the face of the ``computer'' to initialise the ``boot- loader'' so that the machine could get started. I do not need, want, or care about OO-dot.syntax shite except that it is a terribly ugly, long-winded, opaque way of doing the obvious. Transcript is easy for *everyone*, beginner or expert; that is its 5th GL glory. We *could* require programming RR in pdp-8l assembler (which, no doubt, would thrill most of the old pdp-8l assembler programmers--of which I am one), but what of it? Who would think that was an advance? How about DEC-Basic (also on pdp-8l computers)? HP rpl code (I have hundreds of HP-21C programs that would benefit)? How about APL? I loved that language (even though it required a strange type-ball on the IBM selectrics we used as terminals to the university mainframe)! Forth? Really, TILs (threaded interpretative languages), like forth, have long been known to be the fastest, most concise languages of all time---often beating optimised compiled languages (like C, which is well known to be slower than languages such as Pascal). Fortran? Wait, I really liked fortran... Apple floating-point Basic? Yeah (especially if the ROM code were included; I have all those old Apple ][ programs and subroutines just waiting...)! 6502 assembler? Yes! I was a wizard at that shite (using multiple entries into the same code to do different things to save a single byte of code--those were the days!). Bottom line? Tried them all (conducted research, published, even published code in most). I like/love transcript (aka metatalk, hypertalk). I get more done in minutes than I ever did in hours with these other languages/systems. Which is why I use RR/MC. The rest can just f-f-f-f-f-ade away... On 26-Feb-06, at 9:47 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps a few of you around here will find this funny, I could do an implementation of OOPs with a pull-parser. The trick to creating a child object is to assign attributes of the parent object to a child object. What is needed during the birthing process is an allocation of memory to store the newly incarnated child and to act on it independently while effecting the parent that can also have global changing effects if desired. -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html -Dr. John R. Vokey ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [Tip] Propeties sets List of 'reserved words' and gotchas
Stephen and Trevor, This is a long-standing complaint of mine about custom properties in MC/RR (please see the archives), which has usually received at best irrelevant responses, if any at all (the most common response). IMHO, for consistency, *all* custom properties should be quoted (when the literal is meant), or taken as the value of the unquoted term when not. So, put mary into fred set the fred of this stack to x -- means set the property mary of this stack to the value of x -- and works just this way in MC/RR, which is as it should be. -- But only -- if fred does not already exist as a custom property. -- However, I now ask you what would you predict should happen if -- 1. fred already exists as a custom property and fred (the variable) --has the value ``mary''? (i.e., add this line before the other two: --set the fred of this stack to fred -- 2. fred already exists as a custom property, but fred (the variable) --does not exist? Exists, but is empty? Exists, but evaluates to Jane? -- Try them: you may (should) be surprised. The only other consistent alternative, so that unquoted property names behave consistently, is to deny the use of variables as property names in custom property statements, as function and procedure names are currently handled---not an option I would support, btw. On 20-Feb-06, at 7:09 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stephen, You can reliably use reserved words with array notation as long as you have quotes around the key (I've never tried without quotes actually). I use code like this all of the time: set the uAutoEvents[MouseUp] of myObject to DoSomething Perhaps it is the lack of quotes that is causing problems? -- Trevor DeVore -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html -Dr. John R. Vokey ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: using stacks on multiple computers
Jacqueline, I routinely use dynamic path allocation (i.e., relative to the stack). For example, to set the path to the folder data in the same folder as the stack, I routinely use (in Metacard/RR): -- -- Get/Set Paths -- put the filename of this stack into thePath set the itemdelimiter to / delete the last item of thePath put thePath/data/ into datapath But, although this approach works with Metacard and RR, it doesn't work with DreamCard (at least, not DreamCard Player); I believe the archives of this list document this fact. On 1-Feb-06, at 2:17 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John Vokey wrote: A common problem with DreamCard is that the file paths are not the same as MetaCard/RR. So, if your stack loads images or other stacks, it will fail to locate them if you use dynamic path allocation. I haven't had any trouble so far...how are they different? Is there something I should be watching for? -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html -Dr. John R. Vokey ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: use-revolution Digest, Vol 27, Issue 137
Karen, Very nice. You do realise that you can do this (and so much more) running shell scripts (from RR) to call R? And cross-platform, too. Check out: http://www.r-project.org/ On 28-Dec-05, at 7:58 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I thought I'd just mention that Statistics Calculator is available in the Curlypaws user space. It takes a text file of comma separated values and calculates the minimum, maximum, mean, median, standard deviation, quartile 1 and quartile 3. It also generates a box plot of the results. You can open the file through the program, or use drag and drop. Perhaps more interestingly, it uses Altuit's Interface Designer for the design (which is already great to use). My partner is doing an Open University Maths course, so I thought I'd do something along these lines. I realise that Revolution has median and standard deviation functions - but I didn't know this when I started :-). Hopefully the code may be of interest to someone! Karen -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html -Dr. John R. Vokey ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
[OT] Re: Bush-like weasel words about standalone, now micro-busses
I loved my 1959 VW micro-bus (split windscreen, etc.), and my subsequent 1969 VW Transporter/Camper Bus with the pop-top and extra canopy bed. Both died from the dreaded thrown 3rd cylinder. The 1969 transporter managed to leave a 5-metre strip of rubber as the engine ceased---quite impressive! The 1959 had been through so many engines, transmissions, and just about everything else (the body had been modified in a body-shop to make it a true ``hippie-van''-- including the wild paint job) that, at the last, it was thought preferable to let it just die a graceful death. The 1969 was subsequently used as an office on oil drill site (the gas heater, although flaky otherwise, proved a reliable heater for a stationary micro-bus) for many years... On 21-Dec-05, at 7:36 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: P.S. I love my VW Bus (72 Transporter converted into a Camper Bus). Wish I had an OS for it, that would be cool. You *are* the OS for it. Those were the good old days. Charles -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html -Dr. John R. Vokey ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Recent Development on the Use-LIst
All, What a fascinating discussion, and a perfect, if ironic, example of why the question being debated has been resolved (in favour of one list) in practise. For the record, I agree with Dan (which happens less often than I routinely think it should given I own most of his books, but I digress). One feature of the discussion that has fascinated me most (and should have led me to put [OT] in the Subject, but again, I digress, and, at any rate, this subject line is by definition OT) is the confusion between freedoms and rights. We (well most of us, anyway, given our current countries of residence) are *free* to think and espouse any damn thing we want, but in none of these countries do we have a *right* to do so. The distinction is this: rights entail commitments and obligations on the state and the citizens of that state to *ensure* those rights. So, a state (and its citizens) are obligated by law to ensure your rights to, for example, privacy, property, personhood, and so on. Freedoms are different. You are free to exercise these ``free'' acts, but the state (and its citizens) are not obligated in any way to ensure that you can do so. They cannot, as a rule, actively prevent such action, but, again, are not required, either, to facilitate them. Free speech is one such freedom. Free thought is another. You are free to think any damn fool thing you can mentally entertain, but there is no incumbent obligation on the state, the citizens of that state, the internet, and the citizens of the internet, or, the point and most important for current purposes, use-revolution@lists.runrev.com to provide a vehicle for you to express those thoughts. It (and we) may tolerate them, even ``respect'' them (I use scare quotes because I really don't know what respecting a thought or belief actually means), but we do not have to provide an avenue for them: We are, of course, free to do so, but we are under no obligation to do so. Now, back to our usual philosophical wrangling, bantering, and code solving... On 13-Dec-05, at 6:38 PM, Dan Shafer wrote: Fair enough, Mark. Where should they be, then? On 12/11/05, Mark Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: These discussions are quite interesting, but IMHO this is not the place for them, since they do interfere with the actual utility of the list. -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html -Dr. John R. Vokey ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: [ANN] SERVICE USB Plus Drives Real World Device Control with Runtime Revolution
From the web-site: ``Revolution... This contains a project exclusively for the SERVICE USB interface and Runtime Revolution's Revolution. All input and output functions and a stepping motor control example are implemented.'' And you can download the software from the same page. On 9-Dec-05, at 11:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is not explained is -- does one have to still use Applescript to make it work with rev, or did they actually make some XCMDs so Rev can work directly? The word direcly above line would suggest that... This is a big difference. When I wrote them, they offered only the Applescript calls as a solution. Also if one has the USB drivers for this product, would they be useful for access to any other USB device? -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html -Dr. John R. Vokey ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
What Rev Needs -- Again (was Why is Konfabulator Pretty?)
Well, maybe just ``old''. ``Too old'' is a bit strong (however true in my case!). But, I agree with Mr. Rossi in many of his particulars, which is why I have been promoting DreamCard even though I do not, as a rule, use it. I also, as a rule, do not do anything in RR (or MC, more usually) that DreamCard couldn't do. The DreamCard model *is* the Hypercard model in modern guise. Yes, 10- line limited DO scripts don't quite fit what we (``old'' HC coders) accepted, and having most engine commands incapable of being replaced by simple scripts doesn't either. I don't care: You want the promise of HC? And multi-OS, and colour, and, and, and... Get DreamCard. Brilliant. And, however true otherwise, I am not an old fool in this case. But, as for the IDE, and what would attract young users? Mr. Rossi is probably dead-on, and dead-right that for the long-term survival of RR such attraction may be critical. But what would I know? I actually prefer the MC interface!Still, all the (yes, young!) students that leave my lab are MC/RR evangelists. And successful, too. No matter where they go, MC/RR becomes the lab programming environment. I feel good about that, and always have. They also tend to convert all and sundry to LaTeX, but that is a different story. ;-) On 6-Dec-05, at 7:05 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rev developers are too old. -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html -Dr. John R. Vokey ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
pro and hobbyist --- a distinction without merit
This distinction still irks me. I have never had the need to compile any of my stacks, hypercard, metacard, or RR. But as I have written thousands of them, and use them daily in my lab, I would count myself as a ``pro'' user, not a ``hobbyist''. However, just because a DreamCard-like model fits my needs doesn't mean that I don't need the increasingly-many add-ons that come only with the ``pro'' version. Hence, if a distinction needs to be made, stick to the one RR sensibly chose: DreamCard for those who don't need to produce stand- alone apps, and RR for those who do. The engine, add-ons, plug-ins, cross-platform use, etc. should otherwise be the same for both. And no one needs to be disparaged in the process. On 1-Dec-05, at 2:07 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pondering the many posts in this thread I'm not sure I could contribute much of value, since Chipp covered many of my own thoughts, esp. re. the usefulness of a US presence and the need for a completely unambiguous differentiation between the pro and hobbyist products. -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html -Dr. John R. Vokey ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Pricing / entry cost for this tool
I haven't commented previously on this issue, and, note, I haven't quoted anyone below. But, I think this whole debate is a tempest in a teapot (or a rant in search of topic). Just what is the issue here? Dan Shafer, a hero to many X-Talkers, including me, is concerned that RR is spreading itself too thin, supporting both DreamCard (allegedly for ``Inventive users''---hobbyists by any other name) and Revolution (allegedly for ``Professional Developers'', ignoring the different pricing options). He has argued that RR can't do both, citing the history of computing and the litany of failed software companies attempting to do what he claims RR is doing. I don't question his facts, or even his argument; but I do question the alleged parallel of RR with that history. As an aside, let it be known that I have the ``maxed-out'' license--- the equivalent of what I had with Metacard (yes, I have been with MC/ RR for quite some time), so if RR went the totally ``professional route'' I would be unaffected in that sense. But that would be a big mistake. Dreamcard *IS* the replacement for hypercard for all but a few (I am a huge Dreamcard supporter---see the RR website for my endorsement). How many hypercard users ever produced stand-alones (``apps'' in the parlance)? I know I never did (just as I never produce standalones---apps---in MC/RR). Tiny stacks is what we produced, and still do. Dreamcard is brilliant just because we can continue to do just that. Better, those to whom we provide our stacks need not even have a copy of Dreamcard---they can just download the Dreamcard player to use our stacks. It is the continuation of a dream (yes!) that was Steved at Apple, but now applies to virtually all operating systems. THAT is utterly brilliant! I know Dan appreciates this brilliance; he is just concerned that any resources devoted to Dreamcard are extracted from MC/RR as a professional development environment. I would agree, except that I think he has mischaracterised the distinction between Dreamcard and MC/RR. Dreamcard is not some lesser development environment from MC/ RR, just different. Personally, I like producing full-blown apps in 40K that I can send to colleagues to use. These apps include psychology experiments, novel statistical analyses, neural nets, and so on. For that purpose, there is no reason that Dreamcard should be different from MC/RR. Indeed, as Dreamcard is, in effect, a free (for RR) spin-off from app-producing MC/RR, ANY Dreamcard sales are pure gravy. My point? Dreamcard users are not any less ``professional'' than those for whom compiled ``apps'' are the raison d'etre. We need and use everything the alleged professionals also use. So, there is no difference in support or resources. RR should continue to develop Revolution as they have been doing, responding to every complaint the ``professionals'' demand needs correction: but those professionals are as much in the Dreamcard contingent as they are in the ``I paid maximum dinero, I demand satisfaction'' contingent. The difference is, completely and only, that Dreamcard programmers don't need compiled apps of their creations. To the extent that such compilation concerns are at issue, RR should devote resources to addressing them. If they are engine issues, we all benefit, so I am all for it! Kevin et al. at RR (brilliant people all, obviously) have recognised this, and have done the brilliant thing. In case you missed it: I can't emphasise enough just how brilliant for the computing community the Dreamcard move is: the dream of hypercard made available to virtually all, but based on an expensive engine for those of us that need it *for other purposes*. Do I mind indirectly funding all those Dreamcard users? Nope, as it is, as I noted, pure gravy for RR. So, just to drive the point home: Dreamcard is brilliant! Pass it around. And, don't deprecate it by some false amateur vs. ``professional'' distinction. -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html -Dr. John R. Vokey ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Metacard user
Yup, me. On 9-Nov-05, at 10:58 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is there anyone still using Metacard? cheers Xavier -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html -Dr. John R. Vokey ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Commercial, open-source, and ``free'' (GPL) software
All, Just a point of clarification, but open-source and free software are quite different concepts, as the people of FSF (the authors of the GPL and GNU) have taken great pains to point out (please see FSF web-site: http://www.fsf.org/), and, in any case, neither is necessarily ``free'' in the sense many on this list seem to assume. As the adage of the FSF says: ``Free software is a matter of liberty not price. You should think of free as in free speech.'' -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html -Dr. John R. Vokey ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Neural network stacks?
I fail to see the point, even in general (i.e., c, or c++); most neural net models have limit solutions, meaning that one can simply solve the math; no iterative solution is needed. In that case, transcript is just fine (well, it would be improved with engine-based SVD and eigenvector extraction routines, but I quibble). -- Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html -Dr. John R. Vokey ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Blowing in the Wind
Beautiful under RR, flickers like mad under MC 2.6.1 On 16-Aug-05, at 4:00 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings List: For those of you who were unable to attend my presentation at RevConWest, I showed some experiments with one of Rev's newest features: deep masks. One of the nice things about this feature is the ability of Rev to cache the current window shape before switching to new shape. This effectively allows you to smoothly change shape of a window without it briefly disappearing or flashing -- in essence creating an animated stack. Today I came across a flag animation on the 'net and, just to see if it would work, I tried applying the animation to the windowShape of a stack. The result is a stack that whose shape and surface ripples as if blown in a light breeze. Execute the following in your message box: go url http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/breeze.rev; This stack is about 600K so give it a minute to download (you should be able to drag the stack around your desktop as well). On my 667mHz laptop the result is pretty nice; your mileage may vary... - JRV -- There are 10 kinds of people: those who understand binary, and those who don't ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
OS X 10.4 vs. 10.3 incompatibility
I have encountered a strange system incompatibility. Stacks that ran/ run fine under Mac OS X 10.3.x, produce the following peculiar behaviour under 10.4.2 (whether using the MC or RR IDE). I have a slider in a group that also contains a default (throbbing) button, which is to be clicked when the slider is in the position the user wants. All is fine under 10.3.x (i.e., the button throbs and the slider tracks the mouse as the user slides it back and forth); under 10.4.2, the button s-l-o-w-l-y throbs (i.e., you can see each step of the throb animation), and the slider no longer keeps up with the mouse (i.e., it lags by a lot). It is like the whole system has been slowed down by a factor of 2 or 3 (i.e., 100 or a 1000-fold). Yet, other default buttons throb correctly. (I have no other sliders in these stacks). It is clearly not my code (indeed, I have used this group successfully since at least MC 2.2, and probably before, and on all other versions of OS X). I receive the list in digest mode, so please respond directly to me if you have any insights. -- - JRV There are 10 kinds of people: those who understand binary, and those who don't ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: use-revolution Digest, Vol 23, Issue 9
This is even stranger: there are no idle loops, etc., but under 10.4.2, it uses upwards of 85% CPU time (and the fans come on for both my G5s and my powerbooks), but drops to virtually nothing under 10.3.x. This is a serious, but peculiar bug. BTW, Mark's solution won't work as I have no scripts associated with the slider (they all occur at the card level where the slider value is read). On 2-Aug-05, at 4:56 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have encountered a strange system incompatibility. Stacks that ran/ run fine under Mac OS X 10.3.x, produce the following peculiar behaviour under 10.4.2 (whether using the MC or RR IDE). I have a slider in a group that also contains a default (throbbing) button, which is to be clicked when the slider is in the position the user wants. All is fine under 10.3.x (i.e., the button throbs and the slider tracks the mouse as the user slides it back and forth); under 10.4.2, the button s-l-o-w-l-y throbs (i.e., you can see each step of the throb animation), and the slider no longer keeps up with the mouse (i.e., it lags by a lot). It is like the whole system has been slowed down by a factor of 2 or 3 (i.e., 100 or a 1000-fold). Yet, other default buttons throb correctly. (I have no other sliders in these stacks). It is clearly not my code (indeed, I have used this group successfully since at least MC 2.2, and probably before, and on all other versions of OS X). - JRV -- There are 10 kinds of people: those who understand binary, and those who don't ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: the := operator (affectation)
It is fascinating to note that in R (GNU's S) the operator evolved from ``-'' to ``='' despite the ambiguity of the latter (R has both assignment operators (- and -), but still simple ``='' won out. Why? Well, as with the letter ``e'' in English, nobody wants to type 2 characters for the most common operation of assignment; make the rarer cases clumsy, not the most common; hence ``=='' for ``is equal to (logical)''. I (tried to, anyway) taught Pascal for years; the two most common complaints were, in order, the assignment operator (i.e., ``:= is just stupid''), and ``that stupid semi-colon''. Often pristine syntax has to take a back-seat to expedience. OTH, allowing ``a=4'' as a shorthand for ``put 4 into a'' harms nobody, and meets with the expediency criterion; just don't require it. Similarly, no Basic compiler or interpreter ever had any problem discriminating logical statements from assignments, nor did programmers; it was a false purity that Pascal was promoting. Indeed, we exploited it: a=b*(c=2)+d*(c2), which to any Basic programmer (except those in which false meant -1, but simple accommodations in code fixed that), transparently means: a is assigned the value of b given c has the value of 2, otherwise, a is assigned the value of d. On 22-Jun-05, at 4:51 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yep On Jun 22, 2005, at 8:01 AM, Jon wrote: Dan Shafer wrote: (I always found the whole ==, +=, :=, == syntax mess pretty ugly. I love the elegance of put 32 into x.) Elegance, verbosity. Poe-tay-toe, poe-tah-toe... - JRV -- There are 10 kinds of people: those who understand binary, and those who don't ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Slide Show on OS X
Not true, it is just that they (keys F1 through F7) require that the fn key be simultaneously held down to be used as function keys. And, of course, under OS X they can be completely remapped to almost any function you might want (see keyboard shortcuts under Keyboard and Mouse in System preferences). On 13-Jun-05, at 5:46 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Worse yet, on Powerbooks, those keys don't do cut-copy-paste things but rather control the display and sound. DUmb. APple used to know how to do consistent interfaces. It was their big secret weapon. Now it's just a big secret. - JRV -- There are 10 kinds of people: those who understand binary, and those who don't ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Think how?
Nah, It really should be: Thimk! On 6-Jun-05, at 5:10 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mark Wieder wrote: Think different is so last year. This year it's Think really different. :) Or perhaps, recalling the grammatical furor following that advertising campaign, it should be Think real different. :-) :-) - marty - JRV -- There are 10 kinds of people: those who understand binary, and those who don't ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Infinite-precision arithmetic
I have always found binary coded decimal (BCD) the simplest for this purpose, as it is directly extensible to any length, with only a few lines of code. Please see any (low-level; i.e., machine-code) book on arithmetic algorithms. They may not teach BCD anymore, but back in the day... (i.e., Earth still cooling, ...). On 24-May-05, at 2:38 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You probably can find a long list of ACM Programming Contest long math algorithms. At least when I was on our College's team, the ACM loved to put problems involving long math in the mix. As far as I know every team had ready-to-go source for long-math operations just for that reason. We only got burned by not being ready for this type of situation once before we made sure we did. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Arrays: new and old keys, i
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