[libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu
Am 10.10.2015 um 15:27 schrieb Florian Reisinger: > Would you be so kind as to tell us which aspects got worse? > Would you be so kind as to tell us how to enter some numbers into a Writer table? LibreOffice 4.4 menu:File>New>Text Ctrl+F12 [Insert] menu:Table>Number Recognition is checked Locale is English(UK) 09 3.14 1999-12-31 5.87% 23:45:59True Everything is text. Oh, the number format code of my new table is "@". May be this is the reason. Change it to "General" since I have entered various subtypes and "General" is the number format to accept and represent any subtype. To my surprise, changing the number format attribute converts the text data to this: 9 3.14 36525 0.06 0.991 Everything is converted and rounded to integer and 1/100th decimals. 23:45:59 --> 0.990 OK, let's append a new table and apply number format "General" _before_ typing in numerals. Wow, this time it seems to work. But why is =SUM() = 4.1987000 (correct) and =COUNT() = 4.1987000 (expected value is 3) And why is =SUM() = 3,14 after reloading the same file with a German locale? Cell B1 has still the "General" number format, B2:B3 is text. Almost the same in column A. A1 is "General" A2:A3 is "@" but the forumal cell in A4 still shows the old result cut down to 2 decimals. When I hit F2 to inspect the formula, the formula bar shows an equal sign only. By the way: Did anybody notice that the glorious "date acceptance patterns" do not work at all? > https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94727 Just watch the screen shot and the spreadsheet. Every spreadsheet in the world accepts 2/10/ or 2/10 or 2/ (this month's 2nd) on the num pad. With German LibreOffice locale it is impossible to enter any date on the num pad without typing a full ISO date. You messed this up. The dumb users are happy because they get what they type as literal text. The educated users (normal users, no experts) are wondering why there are any "date acceptance patterns" if they get invalid text data anyway. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu
Hi. For one, printing documents with EPS. I still have to retain a copy of AOO for printing. It is the only thing I have to revet to AOO for. Steve On 2015-10-11 02:27, Florian Reisinger wrote: Would you be so kind as to tell us which aspects got worse? Am 10. Oktober 2015 15:26:08 MESZ, schrieb "Andreas Säger" : Am 10.10.2015 um 15:23 schrieb Philip Jackson: Thank you Tom for that interesting explanation of the documentation website. It explains why I often have trouble finding answers there. I keep a local copy of "OpenOffice.org 3 Writer Guide" on my machine and can often find answers there faster than on the website. Philip LO introduces far too many changes to the worse which is why I still prefer OpenOffice. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu
At 18:52 10/10/2015 -0400, Felmon Davis wrote: suggesting someone avoids commenting is not the same as silencing them. It's asking for their silence. but like you, I want to hear different perspectives. Good-oh! Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu
On Sat, 10 Oct 2015, Brian Barker wrote: At 23:36 10/10/2015 +0200, Italo Vignoli wrote: People happy with ... Apache OpenOffice - should avoid commenting on LibreOffice mailing lists. Hold on: you suggest that people with opposing views should be silenced? suggesting someone avoids commenting is not the same as silencing them. but like you, I want to hear different perspectives. however, it seems the rhetoric, and heart rates, are rising. the furniture, gentlemen, mind the furniture! we can have an interesting conversation without breaking it. f. Most civilised democracies value the expression of opposing views, even at the highest level. Oh, but despots and dictators don't. Brian Barker -- Felmon Davis When the cup is full, carry it level. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Ris: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu
So please unsubscribe yourself from this list, stay with OpenOffice and don't bother us anymore, thank you.ValterOpen Source is better!Sent from my Android device Messaggio originale Oggetto: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in UbuntuDa: Andreas Säger A: users@global.libreoffice.orgCC: Am 10.10.2015 um 15:23 schrieb Philip Jackson:> > Thank you Tom for that interesting explanation of the documentation website.> > It explains why I often have trouble finding answers there. I keep a local copy> of "OpenOffice.org 3 Writer Guide" on my machine and can often find answers> there faster than on the website.> > Philip> LO introduces far too many changes to the worse which is why I stillprefer OpenOffice.-- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.orgProblems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/NetiquetteList archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu
At 23:36 10/10/2015 +0200, Italo Vignoli wrote: People happy with ... Apache OpenOffice - should avoid commenting on LibreOffice mailing lists. Hold on: you suggest that people with opposing views should be silenced? Most civilised democracies value the expression of opposing views, even at the highest level. Oh, but despots and dictators don't. Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: file dialogue choice
Hi :) Congrats for figuring all that out and for navigating through the wiki help-system! The Tools - Options dialogue has several main sections and 2-3 of those have their own "General" sub-section. I think of the first main section as a "General" section although in my current version of LibreOffice on this machine it's actually called "LibreOffice". Most/all of the main sections have a page themselves and i'm not sure how obvious that is once you expand it's main section to reveal all the sub-pages. I guess it's one of those UX issues that people have very different expectations of. To me it would make sense if clicking on the main section/heading gave me a long scrollable list of all the settings on all it's sub-pages - but i quite like it the way it is too and the current way makes intuitive sense too. Now that you have posted your 2nd post it's 'obvious' to me that you were in the wrong place in your 1st post. However i wouldn't have realised that in the 13mins it took you to solve your own issue. I tend to find the quickest way to solve such problems is to ask an appropriate mailing list first and then start hunting for an answer myself. Sometimes even just posting the question makes me realise the answer immediately after clicking on "Send". Sometimes someone posts the right answer just as i've found it in documentation or through google. Other times i've reached my wits end or been so stuffed-up and confused by advice out there that the answers from the mailing list are a huge help in cutting through. So, i like your approach, especially the way you posted your own answer so we all knew you had fixed it and so that people in the future might be helped by your answer. Anyway, congrats and regards from Tom :) On 10 October 2015 at 15:15, Mike Scott wrote: > On 10/10/15 15:02, Mike Scott wrote: > >> On 10/10/15 14:30, Graham Luffrum wrote: >> >>> Under my version of LO 5.0.2.2 (under Linux Mint 17.2 32 bit) I still >>> have >>> the choice between LO's dialogues and the system dialogues. >>> >> >> Curious. I've got "Version: 5.0.2.2 >> Build ID: 00m0(Build:2) >> Locale: en-GB (en_GB.UTF-8)" >> running on Qiana 64 bit. >> >> I used to have system-style dialogues set; since upgrading from (iirc) >> 5.0.1.x it's switched itself to LO dialogues. >> > ... > >> Anyone any idea how to switch back please? >> >> >> > OK. I see what's happened. Seems the upgrade didn't for whatever reason > provide a compatible version of libreoffice-gnome. Installing that fixers > the issue. And (for the sharp-eyed) there are two options tabs titled > "General". I did look at both (honest!), although I specifically referred > to the wrong one on my posting. > > I wonder if a warning in the help file might be in order that the extra > package is needed. > > > (I see that LO-presenter-console, LO-avmedia-backend-gst and a handful of > other LO extras are also not upgraded. Time to do some fixing...) > > > -- > Mike Scott > Harlow, Essex, England > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu
Please avoid entering in a discussion with a well know enemy of LibreOffice. Andreas Saeger aka Villeroy has been spreading FUD about LibreOffice since forever. People happy with a dead and buggy software - aka Apache OpenOffice - should avoid commenting on LibreOffice mailing lists. On 10/10/2015 15:27, Florian Reisinger wrote: > Would you be so kind as to tell us which aspects got worse? -- Italo Vignoli - Marketing & PR mobile +39.348.5653829 - email / jabber it...@libreoffice.org hangout / jabber italo.vign...@gmail.com - skype italovignoli GPG Key ID - 0xAAB8D5C0 DB75 1534 3FD0 EA5F 56B5 FDA6 DE82 934C AAB8 D5C0 -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu
Hi :) Looks like a teaching lesson where the dev learned a lot about practical and real-world coding that maybe hadn't been taught in his largely theoretical studies. Looks like they had the suitable qualifications on their CV but lacked a bit of "street"-wisdom. Also looks like most of their commit was smart and useful and has been retained while only a small element at the start is being held back for them to re-write with their newly learned wisdom. So while it was annoying to one of us (and his clients) most of us wouldn't have even noticed it and that it got fixed pretty quickly. Top marks for posting the bug-report and helping them with it. That has helped us all even before most of is realised there was a problem :) It's a good example of why it's good for most of us and other experienced users to try "Fresh" before foisting it on our clients or on noobs. Regards from Tom :) On 10 October 2015 at 20:49, Andreas Säger wrote: > Am 10.10.2015 um 15:27 schrieb Florian Reisinger: > > Would you be so kind as to tell us which aspects got worse? > > > This one is a tiny example but symptomatic for the whole development > process: > > > https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94557 > > New "feature" without specification nor reason plus bad implemention. > I'm grateful that this "feature" will be reverted because "my users" > suffer from it every day. Well, "my users" preferred the green one over > the blue one. > > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu
Hi :) I think that is one thing many of us on this list agree on. I think most of us have said it at some point or other over the years. I think it's a travesty that "Fresh" appears to be the only option on the official downloads page to first-timers and that getting the more solid, reliable "Still" requires a lot more geekiness. To my mind it 'should' be the other way so that people have to dig a bit for the shiny new features - with the majority of new-comers getting the reliable "Still", at least until the curiosity get piqued. So often the answer to a noobs problem is to simply try the "Still" branch and then trying to explain why and that it's not "old". As soon as they try it that is usually enough to fix almost any noobs problem. It's the same with a lot of articles out there. When an article claims that LO is not mature and had obscure problems it's almost invariably because they were using "Fresh" rather than "Still". "Fresh" is exciting but it should be more like an "easter egg" in a movie or game that has to be discovered or some challenge over-come in order to find it. Regards from Tom :) On 10 October 2015 at 21:00, Andreas Säger wrote: > Am 10.10.2015 um 19:47 schrieb Tom Davies: > > Hi :) > > I suspect that's it's mostly only the "Fresh" branch. > > > > I never install any fresh brunch. If I install LO, then I install some > version that works acceptably well. LO 5.0 was not even Alpha because > large parts of the Calc component remained untested. > > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu
Am 10.10.2015 um 19:47 schrieb Tom Davies: > Hi :) > I suspect that's it's mostly only the "Fresh" branch. > I never install any fresh brunch. If I install LO, then I install some version that works acceptably well. LO 5.0 was not even Alpha because large parts of the Calc component remained untested. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu
Am 10.10.2015 um 15:27 schrieb Florian Reisinger: > Would you be so kind as to tell us which aspects got worse? This one is a tiny example but symptomatic for the whole development process: > https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94557 New "feature" without specification nor reason plus bad implemention. I'm grateful that this "feature" will be reverted because "my users" suffer from it every day. Well, "my users" preferred the green one over the blue one. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu
Hi :) The "Published Guides" for OpenOffice or LibreOffice are often the best documentation for AOO or LO - at least for English readers. The LO ones, including incomplete books and archived versions, can be found at; https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications for free or bought from the Lulu bookstore as proper paper-back books. I bought a few of these and I'm really glad i did even though i haven't read all of it yet! I think i managed to time it right so that Lulu were offering one of their frequent discount weekends or something. http://www.lulu.com/shop/libreoffice-documentation-team/getting-started-with-libreoffice-42/paperback/product-21682463.html The guides are also available in various App Stores or online book-stores for reading on-screen; such as the Apple store, the Ubuntu one and maybe others. They usually cost a bit but not much. Enough to cover the costs of publishing them in those places and a little more to allow a bit of expansion in their distribution. Also available on the official LibreOffice website (for free of course!); http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/documentation/ For non-English languages it is usually the 'in-built' help that is far better. There are also on-line videos such as the excellent range at Spoken Tutorials; http://spoken-tutorial.org/ although they cover a much wider range of OpenSource projects so you'd have to hunt for LibreOffice in that lot :) Also while English is excellent they also do many languages from around the Indian basin as it's a non-profit organisation largely funded by the Indian Government. Regards from Tom :) On 10 October 2015 at 14:23, Philip Jackson wrote: > On 09/10/15 18:02, Tom Davies wrote: > > So while the whole wiki is generally agreed to be a bit of a mess it's > > difficult to move or rename resources which people probably have their > own > > links to, or have become familiar navigating too and might be taken aback > > if it suddenly looked as different as a spam/spoofed-site. > > > > I hope this clarifies why there may be problems with our documentation > and > > instructions etc and maybe, hopefully show a way of dealing with the > > immediate issue and/or how to set-up a strategy for helping fix what we > > have! > > Thank you Tom for that interesting explanation of the documentation > website. > > It explains why I often have trouble finding answers there. I keep a > local copy > of "OpenOffice.org 3 Writer Guide" on my machine and can often find answers > there faster than on the website. > > Philip > > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu
Hi :) I suspect that's it's mostly only the "Fresh" branch. LibreOffice has an extremely fast-paced development. Each new branch introduces tons of new functionality and deals with legacy problems. This is partly "catch up", partly recoding to reduce the wide number of different programming languages into just C(++?) and Python, partly increasing compatibility with constantly changing proprietary formats, partly dealing with revolutionary changes in IT and radically new ways of thinking. "Sun" achieved a stability by preventing almost anyone from making any changes at all. This meant that although there were tons of problems these were all "known problems" that people knew to either work-around or accept. They seldom worked on bug-reports or fixed anything, apparently. With each change, even if it's 'just' patching some problem there is a potential for unexpected side-effects. OpenOffice has a tradition (thanks to Sun and Oracle) of not dealing with problems. So OO remains "stable" even in a wide-eyed-end-user type of way. LibreOffice marches fearlessly on, deals with issues, adds new stuff to the "Fresh" branch and then patches as many of the new problems as it can with subsequent releases in that branch even after it becomes the "Still" branch and a new "Fresh" branch has been released. So it really isn't any surprise that LO has issues that OpenOffice doesn't. The same is true the other way around too! Both still have some long-running issues, just as any long-running project has. Just as MS Office has. Some may never be resolved but it's more likely to be fixed some day in LibreOffice precisely because so much more work is going on and because of the faster pace of development. This all happened long ago too ... Back before TDF and LibreOffice, before Oracle, various companies such as Novell, SuSE, Redhat, Gnome, Debian, Canonical (Ubuntu) and many more got together and developed a project called Go-oo that added a ton of stuff to each new release of OO.o making it faster and with better compatibility. However this often left the original branding in place so that many people thought they were using OpenOffice.org as released by "Sun" when they were actually using Go-oo. This was the case with almost all Gnu&Linux distros. IBM created their own additions and changes, eschewing the Go-o changes and just doing it all their own way to create "IBM Lotus Symphony" to sell to corporate organisations and others. Some Mac people did their own thing to OO.o to create NeoOffice. So lots of people were a little unhappy with the stagnation of OpenOffice under Sun and created their own forks or bunch of additions/changes to the infrequent OO.o releases. When Oracle acquired Sun and refused to communicate with the community at all, apparently seized assets, bank accounts and funds (almost entirely raised by the community and meant for the community's usage) a small group of (imo) heroes (incl Charles Schulz, Sophie, Italo, Micheal Meeks (of Novell) and about 16 more) pushed through the plan that had been developed years earlier to break away and create an independent organisation purely for the OpenOfice.org office suite. Luckily, under Sun, some communities had created independent "local" community organisations. Famously one in Germany, one in France, one in Brasil and so on. This made it easier for those places to set-up events and respond to "local" situations faster - without needing to run and ask "Sun" if every 'little' thing was ok with them. The Brazilian one had added some of their own coding making BrOO, yet another fork(ish?). Mostly these properly registered independent organisations were able to hang onto their own assets. The German one had enough funds, and enough expertise, to lend "The Document Foundation" enough funds to "start-up" as a "new" charity/business/organisation - and to give outsiders confidence in the legitimacy and future prospects of the new charity/business/organisation. Presumably that has long since been repaid or become irrelevant and TDF has shown that it is excellently well managed and gained a strong reputation in it's own right! Oracle kept the name and the branding so the newly formed "The Document Foundation" had to develop something new, even if it seemed like it would only be temporary and that Oracle would do the sensible thing and just give the name and branding back to the community. Some people stayed with OO.o, even under Oracle, and went through a ton of hardships there. The press and media blew it up as a fight between them and us when really it was still one community with 2 slightly diverging office suites and 2 different organisations "in charge". Go-oo quickly (well, in under a year) merged their changes into the main branch. Almost everyone in Go-oo was already heavily involved in LibreOffice anyway. For a year or so afterwards their website carried a really sweet and somewhat triumphant message saying that they had closed do
Re: [libreoffice-users] libreoffice draw, how to move layout tabs
On 10/10/2015 01:05 PM, Regina Henschel wrote: Hi Pier, yahoo-pier_andreit schrieb: as in the subject when I insert a new layout a tab is inserted just at right of the tab where I clicked insert layout, but, when I try to move a layout tab I don't succeed, how can I change position at a layout tab?? manythanks, ciao, pier :-) You cannot reorder the default tabs. Your own layer tabs are always on the right side of them. You can reorder your own tabs. But there is no UI for that. You would have to reorder the nodes in the file styles.xml in the document source. The tabs are saved in the document in the element 'draw:layer-set', child or 'office:master-style'. Kind regards Regina ...uh, :-) it's a pity, many thanks Regina, :-) I was looking for an UI to reorder tabs... , a way is to create a new one tab and cut and paste all from the one you want to move.. :-) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu --- why version 12.04 LTS?
On 10/09/2015 01:33 AM, Евгений wrote: I think fresh PPA is - https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ubuntu/ppa There are instaructions on how to add ppa in your distro (see "Read about installing"). After that you can use any way to install libreoffice. I am using fresh ppa on 12.04 and have no problems with dependencies. If you can not do something - post what you do and what happens or what errors you get. I tend not to use PPA for LibreOffice. I want more control over what version of LibreOffice I have installed on all my systems and when they get upgraded to a newer version. I have some systems [Windows 10 and Ubuntu 14.04 or 15.04] running 5.0.x, while others run 4.4.x. I sometimes remove and install different versions of LibreOffice for testing and evaluation for my needs and others I have dealt with so I can recommend the "proper" version of the software and/or let them know when it is time to upgrade to a new version. Of course, in later posts there is a lot of talk about command line installs and noob. "Linux is not for noobs" was one statement, but how does noobs not stay noobs without working with the OS? I have been working with Linux since the 2004 or so. I have has a Linux desktop as my default system since later 2009 or early 2010. I still do not know even a third of what I would like to know or what people tell me I need to know. So to some, I am still a noob. Since I have been working with computers since the smallest ones were the size of refrigerators and punch cards were the normal program storage method, I have worked with these things for a long time, on-and-off. SO, I have seen a lot of noobs learn what they need to no longer be considered a noob. They did so by working with the package or OS and not avoiding it since they are noobs. If a person think you should avoid things you are a noob for then that same person could also say you should avoid switching from MS Office to LibreOffice since you would be new to the package and should avoid using it. I have been using LibreOffice since almost "day one" and I know very little about the things LibreOffice can do for which I have no use for. So I must be a noob after these 4 or 5 years, or at least to some people on this list. - - - - - - - - off topic, but part of the post Why are you still using Ubuntu 12.04? Since 14.04 LTS has been out for a year+ and 15.04 is out with 15.10 coming out soon, why have you not used the upgrade manager and installed the newer version[s] of Ubuntu? If there is a good reason why 14.04 or newer does not work for you, it would be nice to know. I started to have dependency issues with it last year when installing some new software. Of course, 14.04 caused some dependency issues when it dropped support for some dependencies needed for my Canon printer. The big reason, for me to go beyond 12.04 was the fact that a lot of my favorite software had updates/upgrades that would not work on 12.04. To get around the 14.04 dependency issues, I upgraded from 12.04 and DID NOT allow the outdated packages to be removed in the upgrade process. That kept the driver dependent packages from being removed. To be honest, this desktop I am typing from was wiped clean since I went from Linux Mint to Ubuntu with MATE d.e.. I installed 12.04 and then installed all my printers and other packages/drivers needed. Then I upgraded to 14.04. If I did not install the printers/drivers at this stage, then it caused some issues when installing them after the 14.04 upgrade was finished. The reason I question about still using 12.04 LTS is the fact that there are a lot of kernel and other internal updates/upgrades that might be important down the line. The only issue I have seen was with an old package - Kompozer - that does not work with the new GUI interface, or something like that. The upgraded drivers/packages that is the basis for having a graphical display will not work with Kompozer - my default WYSIWYG editor for web pages. I have to find a replacement, since Kompozer is no longer an active project and will not be upgraded to work with the new graphical systems. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: file dialogue choice
On 10/10/15 15:02, Mike Scott wrote: On 10/10/15 14:30, Graham Luffrum wrote: Under my version of LO 5.0.2.2 (under Linux Mint 17.2 32 bit) I still have the choice between LO's dialogues and the system dialogues. Curious. I've got "Version: 5.0.2.2 Build ID: 00m0(Build:2) Locale: en-GB (en_GB.UTF-8)" running on Qiana 64 bit. I used to have system-style dialogues set; since upgrading from (iirc) 5.0.1.x it's switched itself to LO dialogues. ... Anyone any idea how to switch back please? OK. I see what's happened. Seems the upgrade didn't for whatever reason provide a compatible version of libreoffice-gnome. Installing that fixers the issue. And (for the sharp-eyed) there are two options tabs titled "General". I did look at both (honest!), although I specifically referred to the wrong one on my posting. I wonder if a warning in the help file might be in order that the extra package is needed. (I see that LO-presenter-console, LO-avmedia-backend-gst and a handful of other LO extras are also not upgraded. Time to do some fixing...) -- Mike Scott Harlow, Essex, England -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: file dialogue choice
On 10/10/15 14:30, Graham Luffrum wrote: Under my version of LO 5.0.2.2 (under Linux Mint 17.2 32 bit) I still have the choice between LO's dialogues and the system dialogues. Curious. I've got "Version: 5.0.2.2 Build ID: 00m0(Build:2) Locale: en-GB (en_GB.UTF-8)" running on Qiana 64 bit. I used to have system-style dialogues set; since upgrading from (iirc) 5.0.1.x it's switched itself to LO dialogues. At help.libreoffice.org/Common/Open_1, I'm told "To activate the LibreOffice Open and Save dialog boxes, choose Tools - Options - LibreOffice- General, and then select the Use LibreOffice dialogs in the Open/Save dialogs area" which roughly corresponds with my recollection about how I switched away from LO dialogues in the first place. The problem I have, is that that tab (nor any other) simply does not have that setting available on it. I see only areas labelled "Load", "Save" and "Default File Format and ODF Settings" each with a number of checkboxes. Nothing anywhere to restore my preferred dialogue box style. Anyone any idea how to switch back please? -- Mike Scott (unet2 [deletethis] scottsonline.org.uk) Harlow Essex England -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Printing in Impress and file dialogue choice
Under my version of LO 5.0.2.2 (under Linux Mint 17.2 32 bit) I still have the choice between LO's dialogues and the system dialogues. Graham On 10 October 2015 at 09:59, Mike Scott wrote: > On 09/10/15 20:24, libreoffice-ml.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote: > >> Mike Scott wrote: >> >>> On 09/10/15 12:43, Malcolm Moore wrote: >>> ... >>> This is outstandingly horrible ! >>> >>> Yes. >>> >>> My summary for anyone in the same boat suffering from brain failure at the end of the week: >>> . >>> >>> It will then work for the duration of the session as A3 and Landscape are now selected ( but greyed out again ) Once you save it and open it again you have to start from the beginning. >>> >>> Not correct AFAICS. Unfortunately, changing print properties doesn't >>> seem to mark the file as needs-to-be-saved, so ^S does nothing (and >>> File|Save is greyed out). >>> >> >> That depends on the settings: >> - Tools > Options > LibreOffice > General > Printing sets "document >> modified" status >> and: >> - Tools > Options > LibreOffice > General > Allow to save document even >> when the document is not modified >> >> Tools > Options > Load/Save > General > Load printer settings with the >> document probably also affects whether previously saved printer settings >> are actually used next time the document is opened. >> >> Mark. >> >> >> > Hmmm. > > I think the problem here is one of obscurity. Too many options spread over > too many dialogues/tabs all affecting results, no obvious way to find > what's happening unless you "just know" to look there, and the help file > isn't very helpful. > > There's even inconsistency between programs. Try the following in each of > Writer and Impress. Create a new document and save it. Change the printer > via File|Print setting. Now look at menu choice File|Save. In Impress, it's > greyed out. In Writer, it's available. > > (Both options you mention above are unset in my system, btw.) > > > To add more annoyance, as part of trying to get my own brochure issue > sorted, I upgraded to 5.0.2.2. A minor upgrade, yet it's changed the file > load/save dialogues to LO's own. The option to revert to (my preference) > the system dialogues has apparently gone. The information at > > https://help.libreoffice.org/Common/Opening_Documents#System_File_Dialogs_or_LibreOffice_Dialogs > is clearly now wrong. It's not helpful to do this to the poor user!!! > > > -- > Mike Scott (unet2 [deletethis] scottsonline.org.uk) > Harlow Essex England > > -- > To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu
Would you be so kind as to tell us which aspects got worse? Am 10. Oktober 2015 15:26:08 MESZ, schrieb "Andreas Säger" : >Am 10.10.2015 um 15:23 schrieb Philip Jackson: >> >> Thank you Tom for that interesting explanation of the documentation >website. >> >> It explains why I often have trouble finding answers there. I keep a >local copy >> of "OpenOffice.org 3 Writer Guide" on my machine and can often find >answers >> there faster than on the website. >> >> Philip >> > >LO introduces far too many changes to the worse which is why I still >prefer OpenOffice. > > >-- >To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org >Problems? >http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ >Posting guidelines + more: >http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette >List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ >All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be >deleted -- Diese Nachricht wurde von meinem Android-Mobiltelefon mit K-9 Mail gesendet. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu
Am 10.10.2015 um 15:23 schrieb Philip Jackson: > > Thank you Tom for that interesting explanation of the documentation website. > > It explains why I often have trouble finding answers there. I keep a local > copy > of "OpenOffice.org 3 Writer Guide" on my machine and can often find answers > there faster than on the website. > > Philip > LO introduces far too many changes to the worse which is why I still prefer OpenOffice. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu
On 09/10/15 18:02, Tom Davies wrote: > So while the whole wiki is generally agreed to be a bit of a mess it's > difficult to move or rename resources which people probably have their own > links to, or have become familiar navigating too and might be taken aback > if it suddenly looked as different as a spam/spoofed-site. > > I hope this clarifies why there may be problems with our documentation and > instructions etc and maybe, hopefully show a way of dealing with the > immediate issue and/or how to set-up a strategy for helping fix what we > have! Thank you Tom for that interesting explanation of the documentation website. It explains why I often have trouble finding answers there. I keep a local copy of "OpenOffice.org 3 Writer Guide" on my machine and can often find answers there faster than on the website. Philip -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu
Hi, Le 09/10/2015 11:58, Andreas Säger a écrit : [...] > > For any "desktop integration" you can install an additional package go > to subdir of en-US/DEBS: > >> cd desktop-integration The subdirectory desktop-integration does not exist anymore in LO 4 and LO 5 installation archives. All packages, including libreoffice5.0-debian-menus package for desktop integration, are in the same directory. Best regards. JBF -- Seuls des formats ouverts peuvent assurer la pérennité de vos documents. Disclaimer: my Internet Provider being located in France, each of our exchanges over Internet will be scanned by French spying services. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] libreoffice draw, how to move layout tabs
Hi Pier, yahoo-pier_andreit schrieb: as in the subject when I insert a new layout a tab is inserted just at right of the tab where I clicked insert layout, but, when I try to move a layout tab I don't succeed, how can I change position at a layout tab?? manythanks, ciao, pier :-) You cannot reorder the default tabs. Your own layer tabs are always on the right side of them. You can reorder your own tabs. But there is no UI for that. You would have to reorder the nodes in the file styles.xml in the document source. The tabs are saved in the document in the element 'draw:layer-set', child or 'office:master-style'. Kind regards Regina -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] libreoffice draw, how to move layout tabs
as in the subject when I insert a new layout a tab is inserted just at right of the tab where I clicked insert layout, but, when I try to move a layout tab I don't succeed, how can I change position at a layout tab?? manythanks, ciao, pier :-) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] libreoffice draw very often bad allocation error
running in windows 7 the last libreoffice and using draw mainly when a file is opened and I open a new file a "bad allocation error" appear, and when I click ok libreoffice crash. how to solve this problem?? manythanks, ciao, pier :-) -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu
Am 09.10.2015 um 22:50 schrieb Mark Phillips: > On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 7:47 PM, John R. Sowden > wrote: > > If you find Linux and LO so offensive that you have to publicly whine like > this instead of asking meaningful questions about a particular prorblem, I > suggest you purchase Microsoft Windows, Microsoft Office, and pay for a > support plan so you can complain to someone in India or Ireland about your > problems. > > Linux (and life) is about learning to help yourself. > THANK YOU SO MUCH !!! -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Printing in Impress and file dialogue choice
On 09/10/15 20:24, libreoffice-ml.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote: Mike Scott wrote: On 09/10/15 12:43, Malcolm Moore wrote: ... This is outstandingly horrible ! Yes. My summary for anyone in the same boat suffering from brain failure at the end of the week: . It will then work for the duration of the session as A3 and Landscape are now selected ( but greyed out again ) Once you save it and open it again you have to start from the beginning. Not correct AFAICS. Unfortunately, changing print properties doesn't seem to mark the file as needs-to-be-saved, so ^S does nothing (and File|Save is greyed out). That depends on the settings: - Tools > Options > LibreOffice > General > Printing sets "document modified" status and: - Tools > Options > LibreOffice > General > Allow to save document even when the document is not modified Tools > Options > Load/Save > General > Load printer settings with the document probably also affects whether previously saved printer settings are actually used next time the document is opened. Mark. Hmmm. I think the problem here is one of obscurity. Too many options spread over too many dialogues/tabs all affecting results, no obvious way to find what's happening unless you "just know" to look there, and the help file isn't very helpful. There's even inconsistency between programs. Try the following in each of Writer and Impress. Create a new document and save it. Change the printer via File|Print setting. Now look at menu choice File|Save. In Impress, it's greyed out. In Writer, it's available. (Both options you mention above are unset in my system, btw.) To add more annoyance, as part of trying to get my own brochure issue sorted, I upgraded to 5.0.2.2. A minor upgrade, yet it's changed the file load/save dialogues to LO's own. The option to revert to (my preference) the system dialogues has apparently gone. The information at https://help.libreoffice.org/Common/Opening_Documents#System_File_Dialogs_or_LibreOffice_Dialogs is clearly now wrong. It's not helpful to do this to the poor user!!! -- Mike Scott (unet2 [deletethis] scottsonline.org.uk) Harlow Essex England -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
