Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Why is Impress screwed up with EVERY release?

[Joel Madero]

>
> And as a developer, I clearly don't think the 4.0.0 is trash - in fact
> it fixes a boatload of longstanding bugs, and adds lots of really
> useful features. The 4.0.1, due 2nd week of March, will be even better.
>

>From all of us who know how much work you and the other developers put
towards making LibreOffice incredible, thank you Thorsten. Hopefully this
conversation will get more people involved :-D


Best,
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Why is Impress screwed up with EVERYrelease?

[Joel Madero]

On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 3:17 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote:

>   Believe me, I understand the massive task facing the LO developers, so
> I won’t complain too loudly if things aren’t perfect.
>

Again, we'd love to have you join some QA work to help us avoid these
issues going into the future, even if it's only an hour a week (or less).
Triaging a bug a day can take less than 10 minutes and is tremendously
helpful. Currently we have a backlog of about 1500 bugs. That means we have
1500 bugs that we aren't sure if they exist, and if they do, we're not sure
how important they are until QA gets to them.

If you, or anyone, wants to join us on IRC, the chat is quite active and
friendly ;)

Find us: #libreoffice-qa on freenode

http://webchat.freenode.net/

for room put in #libreoffice-qa (with #)


Best,
Joel

>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Why is Impress screwed up with EVERYrelease?

[Joel Madero]

> Yes. 
> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/**show_bug.cgi?id=61429<https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=61429>
>
>
That might be a dupe, I could have sworn that myself or Joren bibisected
this one awhile back.time to go digging I suppose.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Why is Impress screwed up with EVERYrelease?

[Joel Madero]

>
> But, I concur about some features that worked on 3.6 but not on 4.0. The
> most notable that I've found so far is that, in Writer, the F11 style list
> no longer opens to the setting it was on when I last closed. Now, on my
> computer (Win7), it always opens up to "Custom Styles," when I prefer it to
> open to "Hierarchical." LO 3.6 saved my "Hierarchical" setting, but LO 4.0
> does not.
>

I believe that this is known and is being investigated. With 20 million
lines of code, I hope everyone can imagine that regressions will happen and
we will do our very best to fix them as soon as possible.

As for the installing over 3.6 - not sure but in Linux this doesn't happen.
Others may have more feedback and it's feedback, cooperation and
contributions that help keep Open Source alive and vibrant.


Best,
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Why is Impress screwed up with EVERY release?

[Joel Madero]

> So, you should expect some angry new users and some upset old users who
> were
> naive enough to upgrade to 4.0...
>

I hope some of this anger turns into something productive like
contributions, I know for sure QA could use some assistance to catch as
many of these issues as possible before release.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] oooforum.org

[Joel Madero]

I very much doubt we'd be involved with keeping a OOo or AOO forum going -
just my thoughts though.


Best,
Joel


On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 1:13 PM, Tom Davies  wrote:

> Hi :)
> Should TDF and Apache both be contributing to keeping it going?  Is anyone
> here able to explain it to the BoD?
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
>
>
>
> >
> > From: Fernand Vanrie 
> >To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> >Sent: Monday, 25 February 2013, 14:53
> >Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] oooforum.org
> >
> >Andrew ,
> >
> >when this "site" is gone then its also a terible lost of knowledge and
> code examples for both communities,
> >
> >Greetz
> >
> >Fernand
> >>
> >> On 02/24/2013 10:17 PM, Tim Lloyd wrote:
> >>> I am just flicking through the LO4.0 "getting started" guide and there
> is a reference to http://www.oooforum.org/. When I click on that link
> (fedora/firefox/seamonkey) the browser just sits there and eventually times
> out. Is this address still valid?
> >>
> >> I understand that the LO folks are standing up their own forum, but it
> is still in test mode.
> >>
> >> http://forum.libreoffice.org/
> >>
> >> Apache hosts the user forum now, so it should stay reliable
> >>
> >> http://forum.openoffice.org/
> >>
> >> As for the oooforum.org, It is no longer reliable. I hear reports that
> it comes and goes. Lately, when I go there it seems to be more likely that
> it is down than up. I should probably ping Ed and see if he still pays lip
> service to making it function.
> >>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Why is Impress screwed up with EVERY release?

[Joel Madero]

On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 11:38 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:

> On 2013-02-25 8:35 AM, Thorsten Behrens 
> wrote:
>
>> Stephan P. wrote:
>>
>>> Honestly, how does this happen? If nobody is working on Impress to even
>>> check these absolutely basic things, be honest enough about it and drop
>>> it
>>> from LO. But constantly, with every release, breaking things that worked
>>> fine is plain ridiculous.
>>>
>>
>  There is a quite a range of possibilities here - QA volunteers
>> focusing more on other applications, platform specific problems,
>> document-specific bugs etc etc. The best advice to give at this point
>> probably is: get involved with our QA team! E.g. it could be you
>> running a handful of regression tests, on your platform, with your
>> files, prior to releases.
>>
>
> One other thing...
>
> Are the problems you are experiencing happening with just this one
> document? Or does it happen with multiple other documents?
>
> Were the problem documents created originally in LibO (or OOo)?
>
> What format are the documents? Ie, are they .odp? .ppt? .pptx?
>
>

I didn't read the whole thread as I just have a lot on my plate but being
involved with QA I have a few points;

1) are these reported as bug reports?

2) is it one document or all documents?

then please note:

3) Writer and Spreadsheet account for about 75% of our use base (if you
look at number of bugs reported against writer and spreadsheet you'll get
an idea of how popular they are). Because the vast number of our developers
work for FREE we have to prioritize and get to bugs that impact the largest
number of users. We have very few developers who know the presentation
code, those ones do a tremendous amount of work and should be thanked by
everyone for the service they provide.

4) If you want to contribute (either by developing, helping QA or giving
money) it may help get bugs squashed faster - there are plenty to go around
;)

Best,
Joel


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Looking for PyUno Contributor(s)

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On 02/24/2013 11:32 AM, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:

On Sun, 2013-02-24 at 16:56 +0100, Wolfgang Keller wrote:

If I'm incorrect, please let me know what is correct - but I'm pretty
sure that someone with some PyUno skills will be needed.

I would guess that those are rare, since PyUNO is at about the best
kept secret of LO(/OO).

+1 +1 +1

I've even attempted to make several runs at it.  The documentations is a
*@(^&@*$^&@*# crime.   There are silly trivial "Hello World" examples,
and there is the dump of the API.  And nothing in between.

If someone implements this as a contribution to the project *PLEASE
PLEASE PLEASE* do a step-by-step BLOG article/series of it.  I'll send
them a six-pack;  just let me know the URL.

There really seems to be an *AMAZING* amount of power just sitting there
to be used - but it is completely obscured to anyone not aleady familiar
with UNO's syntax and vocabulary.

Especially with the introduction of CMIS support it really seems a great
time to facilitate real automation via LibreOffice.

This seems to be a general consensus and it sucks for my purposes at 
least :-/


Another option is just going straight python and at least compiling the 
necessary numbers, then manually doing the charts and what not.


Anyone able to do this?

Maybe we need to get doc team involved at some point with PyUno to see 
if they can start getting decent documentation together.



Best,
Joel

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Looking for PyUno Contributor(s)

[Joel Madero]

Several developers have told me that python and uno will be needed to
extract the data from FDO, create a spreadsheet from this data and then
create the graphs/summaries that I am hoping we can create automagically.


If I'm incorrect, please let me know what is correct - but I'm pretty sure
that someone with some PyUno skills will be needed.

Best.
Joel


On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 8:03 AM, Stephan Bergmann wrote:

> On 02/20/2013 04:11 PM, Joel Madero wrote:
>
>> I am one of the members of the Quality Assurance team with LibreOffice
>> and we are looking for a volunteer to work with myself designing (and
>> coding) the framework to start automating our stats. It's been on my
>> list for much too long and I just don't have the technical know how to
>> do it. If there are are users or developers who can slowly get this
>> accomplished it would greatly help QA as well as Marketing as our stats
>> are done almost completely manually at this point, not only is this time
>> consuming but it's also likely that there could be mistakes or missing
>> data.
>>
>
> How is the above related to PyUno (i.e., the Python-UNO bridge)?
>
> Stephan
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] If Cell Contains String True

[Joel Madero]

Ah, thank you both againhopefully this is the last time ;)

Best,
Joel


On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 12:13 PM, Alan Boba  wrote:

> On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 1:43 PM, Joel Madero 
> wrote:
>
> > What I have:
> >
> > A|B
> > comment|regression check
> > regression|
> > regression,BSA,i10n|
> > BLANK|
> > BLANK|
> > regression|
> > regression,bibisected|
> > BSA|
> > BSA|
> > cleanup0407|
> >
> > If that's not clear those are A1:B10, where | splits A and B columns. B
> > column is empty other than B1 which has header "regression check"
> >
> > I need a formula which will be true if the word "regression" is in A at
> all
> > (so in the above example A2, A3,A5,A6 would all be true).
> >
>
> If I'm understanding what you want I think this function will give the
> results you're looking for
>  =NOT(ISERROR( SEARCH("regression",A2)))
>
> SEARCH() is case insensitive so finds the word no matter the capitalization
> ISERROR() accounts for empty cells and cells with numbers that cause
> SEARCH() to fail
> NOT() causes the result to be TRUE when ISERROR() returns FALSE because the
> nested SEARCH() is TRUE
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[libreoffice-users] If Cell Contains String True

[Joel Madero]

Hi All,

I've asked this before but can't track down the thread so here it goes
again, the previous solution did not work (thought it had).

What I have:

A|B
comment|regression check
regression|
regression,BSA,i10n|
BLANK|
BLANK|
regression|
regression,bibisected|
BSA|
BSA|
cleanup0407|

If that's not clear those are A1:B10, where | splits A and B columns. B
column is empty other than B1 which has header "regression check"

I need a formula which will be true if the word "regression" is in A at all
(so in the above example A2, A3,A5,A6 would all be true).

The solution that was provided to me before was:
=NOT(ISERROR(TEXT("regression",A2)))

I'm getting inconsistent results with this, I'm not even sure exactly what
it's finding but something isn't right.


Thanks in advance,

Joel


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Project Planning in LibreOffice Software

[Joel Madero]

On 02/20/2013 08:16 PM, Kaushal Shriyan wrote:

cuments available in
Libreoffice to plan,schedule,track and deliver this specific project. In
simple terms project planning viz start date,end date,project status, work
in progress,done,pending etc ...
Well you can certainly make LibreOffice work but you'd have to probably 
use spreadsheet.


Here is an alternative: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GanttProject

or

http://www.projectlibre.org/


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[libreoffice-users] [Libreoffice-qa] FDO & BSA Administration Info - New version 4.0.1.1 rc

[Joel Madero]

Forgot to edit subject, correction to previous email. My mistake

Version 4.0.1.1 rc has been added to FreeDesktop.Org (FDO) as well as to
Bug Submission Assistant (BSA) in response to previous announcement made by
Petr.

Any questions send them my way

Best Regards,
Joel

>
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[libreoffice-users] Re: [Libreoffice-qa] FDO & BSA Administration Info - New version 3.6.5.2 release

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Version 4.0.1.1 rc has been added to FreeDesktop.Org (FDO) as well as to
Bug Submission Assistant (BSA) in response to previous announcement made by
Petr.

Any questions send them my way

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Any plans to incorporate anything from the Lotus Symphony UI?

[Joel Madero]

For those of you very interested in this, I encourage you to join the UX
team and get the projects rolling. It's easy to say "that would be cool"
but we really need contributors who are implementing the ideas. The UX team
is in dire need of members, coding experience helps but isn't necessarily
required.

http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/libreoffice-ux-advise

I hope that ALL of you will join and help us make these dreams come true.


Best Regards,
Joel


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> On Tue, 2013-02-19 at 12:25 -0500, Tanstaafl wrote:
> > On 2013-02-19 11:44 AM, sun shine  wrote:
> > > On 19/02/13 16:33, Tanstaafl wrote:
> > >> I read recently that IBM had finally donated all of the Lotus Symphony
> > >> UI code to AOO...
> > >> Are there any plans to at least take a look at this code and possibly
> > >> cherry pick it to give a facelift for LO? I don't want (hate!) the
> > >> ribbon in MSO, but would love to see the UI with a decent
> > >> facelift/refresh...
> >
> > > And what did you have in mind?
> > Tabbed interface (should be optional/easy to drag/move a doc out into
> > its own window), formatting tools/toolbars on the side (Symphony are on
> > the right, but should be movable), TaskPane (similar to the ribbon, but
> > doesn't replace the menus), and there are others...
> > Lots to pick from, so it should at least be on the table...
>
> Something like -
>   <http://pauloup.deviantart.com/gallery/28216273>
>   <http://www.freedomsponsors.org/core/issue/175/new-libreoffice-ui>
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[libreoffice-users] Looking for PyUno Contributor(s)

[Joel Madero]

Hi All!

I am one of the members of the Quality Assurance team with LibreOffice 
and we are looking for a volunteer to work with myself designing (and 
coding) the framework to start automating our stats. It's been on my 
list for much too long and I just don't have the technical know how to 
do it. If there are are users or developers who can slowly get this 
accomplished it would greatly help QA as well as Marketing as our stats 
are done almost completely manually at this point, not only is this time 
consuming but it's also likely that there could be mistakes or missing 
data.


If there are any takers, again this would be a great help, I have a 
general idea of what I'd like to do, just trying to find people who are 
capable of implementation.



Many thanks and best regards,
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Any plans to incorporate anything from the Lotus Symphony UI?

[Joel Madero]

On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 9:31 AM, sun shine  wrote:

> On 19/02/13 17:25, Tanstaafl wrote:
>
>> On 2013-02-19 11:44 AM, sun shine  wrote:
>>
>>> On 19/02/13 16:33, Tanstaafl wrote:
>>>
>>>> I read recently that IBM had finally donated all of the Lotus Symphony
>>>> UI code to AOO...
>>>>
>>>> Are there any plans to at least take a look at this code and possibly
>>>> cherry pick it to give a facelift for LO? I don't want (hate!) the
>>>> ribbon in MSO, but would love to see the UI with a decent
>>>> facelift/refresh...
>>>>
>>>
>>  And what did you have in mind?
>>>
>>
>> Tabbed interface (should be optional/easy to drag/move a doc out into its
>> own window), formatting tools/toolbars on the side (Symphony are on the
>> right, but should be movable), TaskPane (similar to the ribbon, but doesn't
>> replace the menus), and there are others...
>>
>> Lots to pick from, so it should at least be on the table...
>>
>>  These are reasonable suggestions.
>
> I personally would like to see an improvement in the ease with which to
> adjust the bullet/ numbering options. One of my biggest bug-bears with LibO
> (and OOo before that) is the unreasonable difficulty the user experiences
> with bulleted and numbered lists. I know a couple of others who seem to
> experience a similar level of difficulty, so I would certainly put this on
> my wish list :-)
>
> Is there a request list available?
>
>
File a bug and QA (me or one of my colleagues) will mark it as an
enhancement request.

https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/bug/

Best,
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Any plans to incorporate anything from the Lotus Symphony UI?

[Joel Madero]

On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 9:25 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:

> On 2013-02-19 11:44 AM, sun shine  wrote:
>
>> On 19/02/13 16:33, Tanstaafl wrote:
>>
>>> I read recently that IBM had finally donated all of the Lotus Symphony
>>> UI code to AOO...
>>>
>>> Are there any plans to at least take a look at this code and possibly
>>> cherry pick it to give a facelift for LO? I don't want (hate!) the
>>> ribbon in MSO, but would love to see the UI with a decent
>>> facelift/refresh...
>>>
>>
>  And what did you have in mind?
>>
>
> Tabbed interface (should be optional/easy to drag/move a doc out into its
> own window), formatting tools/toolbars on the side (Symphony are on the
> right, but should be movable), TaskPane (similar to the ribbon, but doesn't
> replace the menus), and there are others...
>
> Lots to pick from, so it should at least be on the table...


It's a ridiculous amount of work to integrate the code even if it's open.
Furthermore, the debate is ongoing and heated about if those kinds of
changes are even desired.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Any plans to incorporate anything from the Lotus Symphony UI?

[Joel Madero]

On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 8:44 AM, sun shine  wrote:

> On 19/02/13 16:33, Tanstaafl wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I read recently that IBM had finally donated all of the Lotus Symphony UI
>> code to AOO...
>>
>> Are there any plans to at least take a look at this code and possibly
>> cherry pick it to give a facelift for LO? I don't want (hate!) the ribbon
>> in MSO, but would love to see the UI with a decent facelift/refresh...
>>
>
As far as I know there are no such plans.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Microfund your favourite Issue

[Joel Madero]

>
>
> > > I wonder, though, how would the fixed bug integrate into the code
> > > maintained by the LibO crew.
> > It is open to anyone, and anyone is welcome to contribute so that
> > wouldn't be an issue. Interesting discussion happening here, please keep
> > it alive and pass the word :-D
>
> I haven't seen a message in this thread from someone with an libreoffice
> e-mail address...  is this at all 'sanctioned' by the project?   Someone
> in the project on-board?  Someone credible is vouching that
> www.freedomsponsors.org  is legit and on-the-level?


I am a contributor for LibreOffice both in development and QA. I wouldn't
say it's "sanctioned" (ie. we're not saying definitely use this service)
but it has been used successfully at least once or twice before. This being
said, it's still no guarantee that it'll get your enhancement done
immediately but it's okay to offer funding to have your bug fixed. It's
just up to developers to decide if the payment is a) necessary for them and
b) enough that they'll do it :)

We are currently working on getting these details on the website along with
are certified developer list with their fee schedules. Not sure when this
will be done but it's a work in progress

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Microfund your favourite Issue

[Joel Madero]

On 02/13/2013 10:44 PM, Jean-Francois Nifenecker wrote:

Le 14/02/2013 03:21, anne-ology a écrit :

yes, very interesting idea.



Yes, indeed.

I wonder, though, how would the fixed bug integrate into the code 
maintained by the LibO crew.


It is open to anyone, and anyone is welcome to contribute so that 
wouldn't be an issue. Interesting discussion happening here, please keep 
it alive and pass the word :-D



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request

[Joel Madero]

I am one of the QA members and I assure you, no developer is offended that
a feature request is reported as a bug. It is our (QA) job to ensure that
they are categorized correctly after the request/bug is confirmed.

@Tom - thanks for the compliment :-D

Best Regards,
Joel


On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 12:30 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

> Hi :)
> The QA team and bug-triagers are pretty smart so they can sort it out for
> you (or others).  There are a lot of drop-downs on the page and it's a
> little tricky to find the right one but when you know where it is then you
> could help the bug-triagers by just doing that for a whole load of
> 'bug-reports' where the poster grumbles that they couldn't find the
> option.  There's all sorts of simple, dumb, easy things that can be quite a
> significant help and can help you learn your way in to doing more and more
> complex stuff.
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
>
>
>
> >
> > From: John R. Sowden 
> >To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> >Sent: Tuesday, 12 February 2013, 20:11
> >Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request
> >
> >I will follow your advice, although I think that this process needs
> review.  I feel that it is disrespectful to the people that are creating
> this great program to say that since My Idea (emphasis added) is not there,
> then it is a bug.  Secondly, good improvements from actual users might not
> be suggested because of the above and the fact that it is not clear where
> to request them.
> >
> >John
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >On 02/12/2013 11:51 AM, Joel Madero wrote:
> >>
> >> On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 11:50 AM, John R. Sowden <
> jsow...@americansentry.net <mailto:jsow...@americansentry.net>> wrote:
> >>
> >> I went to the site that you recommended.  I could not find any
> >> feature request link.  I searched for 'feature', no luck.  I also
> >> could not find a reference to 'recent', as my 'feature request'
> >> might be interpreted to mean that it is a 'bug'.  I searched the
> >> entire page.
> >>
> >>
> >> My mistake, should have clarified, report it as if it's a bug, then it
> can be changed to "Enhancement" by QA team :-D
> >>
> >>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request

[Joel Madero]

On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 11:04 AM, John R. Sowden  wrote:

> I know this is a bad time, since 4.0 was just released, but improvement is
> an ongoing process.
>
> For the 'recent documents' menu selection under 'file', it would be nice
> to:
> 1) allow us to set the number of recent documents, under tools/options.
> 2) allow us, in the recent menu, to right click and set certain files to
> 'permanent' so
> they will not fifo off the stack.  An asterisk (blue?) could act as a
> visual flag.
>
>
Feature requests should be made through our bug tracker, most devs don't
follow the user mailing list (they already have way too much on their
plates).

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport_Details


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Bug 60710 - EDITING: Cannot save particular untitled document containing comments

[Joel Madero]

I reproduced it once and now for the life of me I can't.very strange.
Trying a few more times


Best Regards,
Joel


On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 8:14 PM, C. H. D. <
webofht-libreoffice...@yahoo.com.hk> wrote:

>
>
> Hello!
>
> In my use case, I cannot save a particular untitled document.
>
>
> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60710
>
> I should be grateful if you have a look.
>
> The video is here:
> http://youtu.be/9ImnaTY65gA
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> C. H. D.
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Re: Fwd: [libreoffice-users] Value and Date function in Macro

[Joel Madero]

So I came out with a really micky mouse way that works but I don't like it.
I'm hoping one of you (or someone else or both of you) will help me with
the entire code so that I can clean it up. I'm not a programmer by
profession (no formal training) so I know the code has issues - but it
works!

Any way that we can take this off the thread and I'll send the template
your way?

I know this is asking a lot so no worries if not possible. I'm not asking
someone to do it for me, more like "tutor me when you have time" to get the
code up to snuff.


Thanks for everyone's help up to date, much help.


Best Regards,
Joel


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>
> On 02/10/2013 04:49 AM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:
>
>> Oh no, I did it again! I sent yet another reply directly to the
>> original poster.
>>
> I feel your pain! :-)
>
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[libreoffice-users] Can someone verify this writer bug?

[Joel Madero]

Hi All,

Can someone take a look at this one, try to reproduce, if you can
reproduce, mind leaving a comment on it?

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60154

60154 <https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60154>LibreOffWriter
libreoffice-b...@lists.free...unco---Option Display of Fields: Hidden
Paragraphs changes vertical alignment in
tables<https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60154>
2013-02-01


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[libreoffice-users] Version 4.0 - Enjoying it?

[Joel Madero]

Hi All,

I hope you're all enjoying the new release of LibreOffice 4! For those 
of you who are finding LibreOffice to be a great productivity suite I 
encourage you to head over to http://donate.libreoffice.org/ and donate 
a few dollars to allow our great team of developers to continue 
improving on an already incredible product. LibreOffice is free and open 
but for many, it allows us to rid ourselves from other software which 
can be hundreds of dollars, even $5 helps a ton to maintain our 
infrastructure and to promote LibreOffice worldwide.


I hope all of you will consider.

Thanks for reading!

Best Regards,
Joel

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Value and Date function in Macro

[Joel Madero]

On 02/09/2013 06:58 PM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote:

On 02/08/2013 05:15 PM, Joel Madero wrote:

Hi All,

I have a macro setup that can easily do the following:

pasteValue = mid(currentCellValue,1,4)


What is the format of "currentCellValue"? You grab the first four 
characters in your example above? Your code is dependent on how it is 
formatted.



a string is stored to pasteValue which I then can manipulate how I want.

What I want to do is make it actually more like this:

pasteValue =
date(value(mid(currentCellValue,1,4),value(mid(currentCellValue,5,2),value(mid(currentCellValue,8,2)) 



This won't work, there are so many things wrong with this, I won't 
even try to deal with what you did wrong. Instead, I will guess what 
you meant to do.


Curious why this works so well when in a cellworks exactly how I 
want it to. So, it must be possible to work in a macro as well.


I am guessing that you are using something like a four digit year, a 
two digit month, and then a two digit day. Is this correct? If so, 
then you can CDateFromIso(currentCellValue), and this will give you a 
date object directly and do all the work for you. This is the easiest 
solution I think.


currentCellValue is a string that is ##.##., again this is a string


If you really want to do the hard work and rip values out, you 
probably want to use


DateSerial(year, month, day)

In your case, it is probably:

DateSerial(mid(currentCellValue,1,4), mid(currentCellValue,5,2), 
mid(currentCellValue,7,2))


Your strings will be automatically converted to numbers, so you don't 
need to do it in your macro.


It needs to be done in macro, there is a big loop that it has to go through.


Disclaimer: This will return a number, which will not cause the cell 
to be formatted as a date; you must set the formatting to be a date.


This isn't a problem.


I'll try with what you've provided.


Thanks,
Joel

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Libo 4.0 keeps crashing

[Joel Madero]

On 02/09/2013 08:58 AM, Jay Lozier wrote:

On 02/09/2013 09:45 AM, sun shine wrote:

Hi

Just downloaded and installed LibO4.0 on Linux Mint.

First congrats on reaching this milestone - well done and thanks!!

However ... a problem: LibO writer has crashed twice in the last five 
minutes and although some of the lost materials were recovered, it is 
an issue of concern for me if this is going to continue happening.


How can I (a) stop it from crashing and/ or (b) provide useful 
feedback to developers to ensure that this doesn't continue to occur?


Cheers


Please see this bug, see if it helps:

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60210

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joel


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[libreoffice-users] Value and Date function in Macro

[Joel Madero]

Hi All,

I have a macro setup that can easily do the following:

pasteValue = mid(currentCellValue,1,4)

a string is stored to pasteValue which I then can manipulate how I want.

What I want to do is make it actually more like this:

pasteValue =
date(value(mid(currentCellValue,1,4),value(mid(currentCellValue,5,2),value(mid(currentCellValue,8,2))


I want to do this because the pasteValue as it stands is a text field, I
need it converted to a date field. I can do this just fine by manaully
entering the above code into a cell directly (ie. not in a macro) but when
I enter it in the macro I get:

Sub-procedure or function procedure not defined.


I know I can work out a micky mouse way by adding another column and
referring to the previous pasted data and then doing a special paste of it,
but this seems unnecessary.


Thanks in advance.

Best Regards,
Joel

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Re: [libreoffice-users] IF w/ Regular Expression

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> For what it's worth, my "funny" reply was meant quite seriously: I wasn't
> being sarcastic.
>
> Yes: quite clear this time.  Try:
> =NOT(ISERROR(FIND("regression"**;Nn)))
> (Regular expressions not involved.)  This will populate your column with
> TRUE and FALSE; if you prefer, you can change these to 1 and 0 simply by
> formatting the column appropriately as Number.
>
> I trust this helps a little more.


It did indeed. Thanks



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Re: [libreoffice-users] IF w/ Regular Expression

[Joel Madero]

I actually went to bed thinking "crap, that email wasn't very clear " lol.
My apologies indeed, I should know better!

So I have a column N that has keywords, some of them are blank, some of
them have items such as "regression" or "regression, bibisect" or
"bibisect, regression" etc...

What I want to do is have a column O that has a 1 if ANY TEXT in column N
is equal to "regression" so all three of the above strings would show a 1.


Clear?


Hope so, best regards,
Joel


On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 8:06 AM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:

> 2013/2/8 Brian Barker :
> > At 14:05 07/02/2013 -0800, Joel Madero wrote:
> >>
> >> I have enabled regular expressions in LibreOffice settings but still am
> >> unable to get this one to work. Here is my line:
> >> IF(N200="*regression*",1,0)
> >>
> >> Not sure what I'm missing.
> >
> >
> > What you are missing, I think, is defining your problem!  You have fallen
> > into the error that is not at all uncommon amongst enquirers.  You have
> > shown us a formula which you tell us does not work.  You have not told us
> > what you were hoping it would do for you, leaving us to guess from the
> > formula itself.  But the one thing we can be absolutely sure of - we have
> > your assurance for this - is that this formula does not define what you
> are
> > trying to do, since it does not succeed.
> >
> > In any case, I don't know what regular expression you think you have
> > supplied here: the asterisk is used to match zero or more of the
> character
> > preceding it.  There is no character before your first asterisk; as
> regards
> > the second, are you expecting a match for *regressio, along with
> > *regression, *regressionn, *regressionnn, and so on?
> >
> > The IF() function is a bit of a red herring.  The essence of your
> formula is
> > the logical expression N200="*regression*".  This has a logical result
> > (which, incidentally, is identical to the result of your IF).  But there
> is
> > no facility to invoke regular expressions in the logical "=" operator: it
> > will give the answer TRUE (or 1) if and only if the two operands are
> equal.
> > So you should get TRUE or 1 if N200 is exactly "*regression*" and FALSE
> or 0
> > otherwise.
> >
> > There are a number of functions which allow regular expressions (see the
> > help text), but "=" is not one of them.
> >
> > I trust this helps.
> >
> > Brian Barker
>
>
> Very funny indeed.
> The rest of us, who hopefully are thinking creatures, realise that he
> accidently gave an example of ”wild cards” while talking about regular
> expressions. Since he was talking about regular expressions all the
> time, I think most people would assume that that is what he meant, and
> that the example probably was a typo or that he don't know the
> difference. Yet…
>
> Anyway, … never mind, I don't have time for this.
>
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[libreoffice-users] IF w/ Regular Expression

[Joel Madero]

Hi All,

I have enabled regular expressions in LibreOffice settings but still am
unable to get this one to work. Here is my line:

IF(N200="*regression*",1,0)

Not sure what I'm missing. Thanks!

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[libreoffice-users] [LibreOffice-QA] CANCELED - Conference Call - February 8th, 2013

[Joel Madero]

Hi All,

It seems like many of the QA team are unavailable for tomorrow's meeting
which makes discussion much harder.

If there is no objection (within the next few hours) the call tomorrow
(February 8th) has been CANCELED in order to ensure that we have our full
QA team handling the agenda.

We will plan on having our next call at the regular scheduled day:

February 22nd, 2013 @ 1400 UTC


Assume that the call is CANCELED unless I send out another email :-D


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 4.0 Unity Integration in Ubuntu 12.04

[Joel Madero]

On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Tom Davies  wrote:

> Hi :)
> All bug-fixes and stuff gets backported to 12.04 for the next 4 years.  If
> something isn't working well right now then it'll probably get fixed
> reasonably soon.  If a more recent version of Ubuntu already has a fix for
> something then 12.04 will get it really soon.
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>

>From my understanding this is't true. Only specific bug fixes are
backported. I remember with 10.04 I had to ask several times to have a
patch that was on 11.04 to be backported.


Best,
Joel

>
>
>
>
>
> >
> > From: webmaster-Kracked_P_P 
> >To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> >Sent: Thursday, 7 February 2013, 18:26
> >Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 4.0 Unity Integration in
> Ubuntu 12.04
> >
> >On 02/07/2013 10:59 AM, Paddy Landau wrote:
> >> Jay Lozier wrote
> >>> Paddy Landau wrote
> >>>> According to the  New Features page ... Unity Integration is built in.
> >>>>
> >>>> Sadly, this is not working for me.
> >>> Did you install LO manually? ... cd desktop-integration ...
> >>>
> >>> The installation process is now completed, and you should have icons
> for
> >>> all the LibreOffice applications in your desktop's Applications/Office
> >>> menu.
> >> Thank you for your reply, but this was not what I was referring to. I
> was
> >> referring to the Unity menu-bar integration.
> >>
> >> If you look at the  New Features page
> >> <https://www.libreoffice.org/download/4-0-new-features-and-fixes>  ,
> about
> >> halfway down (under the title "GUI"), you will see a screen-shot of the
> >> Unity Integration.
> >>
> >> Since my last posting, I have been informed that perhaps it may not
> work in
> >> Ubuntu versions prior to the current Alpha version (13.04), so perhaps
> it
> >> will not work in 12.04?
> >
> >There has been a lot of updates lately for 12.04, even some Unity ones.
> I run MATE instead of Unity.  Maybe 12.10 works better.  I am running it on
> my testing laptop [but with MATE as well], but run 12.04/MATE for my
> default desktop system.
> >
> >I do see the Unity Integration "box" you are referring to.  My question
> seem to be what it the current state of the Unity Integration for the
> 12.04/12.10 versions.  How much has been changed between 3.6.5 and 4.0.0
> that affected the integration, other than the addition of "persona" to the
> UI?
> >
> >I wonder why the integration will not work with 12.xx since that it the
> current version of Ubuntu?  It what you was given was true, why would they
> work on doing the work on the OS version that is not even out?  Does not
> make sense. I waited a long time before I went from 10.04 LTS to 12.04LTS,
> just before 12.10 came out.  So if the next LTS is 14.04LTS, then there
> will be a lot of Ubuntu users [Unity or others] that will be still using
> 12.xx for another year or so.  Now work for 12.xx, does not make sense.  It
> needs to work and not "make" you wait till 13.04 or later.
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[libreoffice-users] [Libreoffice-qa] FDO & BSA Administration Info - New version 3.6.5.2 release

[Joel Madero]

Version 3.6.5.2 rc has been changed to Version 3.6.5.2 release per
LibreOffice announcement request.

Changes were made to both FreeDesktop.Org as well as Bug Submission
Assistant.


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[libreoffice-users] [LibreOffice-QA] Conference Call - February 8th, 2013 - 1400 UTC

[Joel Madero]

Hi All,

Our next conference call details are below, currently the agenda is empty,
I'll be working on it over the next couple days, feel free to add new items.

Date: Friday, February 8th, 2013
Time: 1400 UTC
Duration: ~1 hour

Current agenda & Call In Instructions: http://wiki.**
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Open to everyone, feel free to call in and just listen or to share your
thoughts on QA procedure.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Suggests

[Joel Madero]

I think this thread is missing the details of what a tremendous task 
this would be to begin with. Our developers are already stretched 
incredibly thin, doing something like this is unrealistic at any point 
in the near future. If it's even wanted, is a different discussion, but 
I think the reality is it's not going to happen because of lack of man 
power - that's enough to say, no, we will not be looking like Office 2013.



Best Regards,
Joel

On 02/03/2013 09:19 AM, John Meyer wrote:

Developing it on your own is one thing; distributing it is quite another,
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ff799534.aspx.  Also, I don't like
that interface; I think it was the worst idea MS came up with until
somebody thought it would be a neat idea to turn a desktop into a mobile
tablet (sans actual touch screen).


On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Kieran Peckett wrote:


Well, on Windows Vista, 7 and 8, anyone can make their own ribbon apps,
done through an API.

Also, without a ribbon, at least on windows, we will lose people who would
otherwise switch from MSO. Even if it is Optional, it makes sense,
especially when you hear MS's reasons for letting the cluttered toolbars &
menus: see this forum post:
http://en.libreofficeforum.org/node/270?page=1#comment-22151


On 3 February 2013 15:00, AG  wrote:


On 03/02/13 13:35, Dan Lewis wrote:


On 02/03/2013 07:58 AM, Roberta wrote:


Can you make libreoffice's interface more similar to the office 2013
one's?
Another thing... why doesn't artwork work on writer???




  Besides, why should LIbreOffice be a MS Office look alike?

--Dan




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Re: [libreoffice-users] LO 4.0.0.3 has no printer in Win7 - SHOW STOPPER

[Joel Madero]

>
>
>
> Never opened a bug report before, if I remember correctly.
>
> Do you want me to send you a screen clip of what it looks like "off list"?
>
> I have not installed .3 on any Ubuntu systems yet, but will go back to .2
> for Win7.
>
>
I believe you ;) We just need a bug report so we can escalate this
immediately.

https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/bug/

BSA is pretty straight forward to report. You can send me a screenshot if
you want, I'll take a look.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] LO 4.0.0.3 has no printer in Win7 - SHOW STOPPER

[Joel Madero]

On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 12:35 PM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P <
webmas...@krackedpress.com> wrote:

>
> I just installed 4.0.0.3 on my Win7 laptop.
>
> It will not show anyprinters at all.  Claims there is noneis installed.
>
> 4.0.0.2 does prints fine, but 4.0.0.3 does not.
>
> This is a Show Stopper.


Crap, can you open a bug report on free desktop. Our QA team will
investigate.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Macro to Convert Date in Text Format to Date in Date Format (Spreadsheet)

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On 01/31/2013 09:46 PM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote:

On 01/31/2013 11:08 PM, Joel Madero wrote:

Hi All,

I have a macro that converts QIF files to a spreadsheet. I have a few 
things left to do and one of these is that the column for dates are 
currently in text format: "dd.mm."


I want to convert this to a date format through a macro. Note that 
selecting these cells and just doing format - Cell and setting to 
Date does NOT change the formatting to a date.



Thanks in advance.


Joel

Are you asking how to convert text in the form dd.mm. to a date, 
or are you asking how to format a cell to format the date as dd.mm.?


Just thought that I would mention it.


Convert text in the form of dd.mm. to a date

Trying the first post, thanks to that reply as well


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Joel

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[libreoffice-users] Macro to Convert Date in Text Format to Date in Date Format (Spreadsheet)

[Joel Madero]

Hi All,

I have a macro that converts QIF files to a spreadsheet. I have a few 
things left to do and one of these is that the column for dates are 
currently in text format: "dd.mm."


I want to convert this to a date format through a macro. Note that 
selecting these cells and just doing format - Cell and setting to Date 
does NOT change the formatting to a date.



Thanks in advance.


Joel

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: How good is Impress compared to PowerPoint?

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On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Gilles  wrote:

> Simos Xenitellis wrote
> > Impress can do an excellent job. If you want to help your friend, it
> > is good to teach on how to prepare a presentation, how to break down
> > the information so that they are put on slides. This is something
> > people are not being taught and end up with those boring Powerpoints.
>
> Thanks. She's already used to PowerPoint. Is Impress familiar enough, and
> does it have the main features that average PowerPoint users need?
>

Yes and yes ;)


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Autofilter sorting bug

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On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 9:17 AM, Tom Davies  wrote:

> Hi :)
> Have you been able to add a comment to reopen the bug-report?  Has anyone
> been able to test this in 4.0.0?  (ie if you already have 4 installed is
> there any chance of seeing if the same problem still happens in there)
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>

I can't reproduce on Master 4.1 (which is incredibly close to 4.0 rc2) nor
on 3.6.4.3


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Include movie in PDF export?

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On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 11:06 AM, John Jason Jordan wrote:

> LibreOffice 3.4.6 on Fedora 16, x86_64, installed from the repositories.
>
> I can place an .avi file in a Writer document and it plays fine in the
> document. But I need to play the video during a presentation in class
> and the university computers do not have LibreOffice on them, so the
> obvious solution is to export as PDF. However, I can't get the video to
> play in the PDF.
>
> Can it be done?
>

Not that I know of. I've never seen a PDF with an embedded video before.

Best bet, upload video to youtube, link to the video


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[libreoffice-users] [LibreOffice-QA] Conference Call - January 25th, 2013 - 1400 UTC

[Joel Madero]

Sorry for the late notice!

Conference call tomorrow:

Date: Friday, January 25th, 2013
Time: 1400 UTC
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Re: [libreoffice-users] missing dialog option in Win7 install?

[Joel Madero]

On 01/19/2013 06:43 AM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:


I just noticed a difference in the Tools > Options > LibreOffice > 
General "options" in the 3.6.4 versions.


With my 64-bit Debian install, there is a section for "Print dialogs" 
and the option for that is "Use LibreOffice dialogs".


With my install on Windows 7 professional, that "Print dialogs" 
section is missing.


I do not know if it is missing in my Windows installs for earlier 
versions of LO, since I updated all my Windows systems to 3.6.4 last 
month.


I know, for Ubuntu, I need to click that check box in order to get LO 
to print duplex pages properly for my Epson Artisan 810 printer. With 
that option, both my HP Laserjet 2300dn and Canon MG6220 [inkjet] 
printers are duplexing properly as well.


I am running Ubuntu 12.04 64-bit OS with MATE desktop environment and 
Win7/pro 64-bit systems[plus Ubuntu 10.04 and Win XP/pro]  So my Linux 
system show it, but my Windows systems do not.


It there a reason that DEB installs need that option and Windows do not?

As I said, I just noticed that check box option missing on my Windows 
install.


Try enabling experimental features, I vaguely remember this conversation 
before.



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Joel

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Switch off warnings

[Joel Madero]

On 01/11/2013 06:07 PM, C. H. D. wrote:

Hi!

When using PDF/A, the following messages were shown.

During PDF export the following problems occurred:

PDF/A forbids transparency. A transparent object was painted opaque instead.

Some objects were converted to an image in order to remove transparencies, 
because the target PDF format does not support transparencies. Possibly better 
results can be achieved if you remove the transparent objects before exporting.

I am fully informed. Is there a way to switch off these warnings? How?

Is there a better way to display the warnings, e.g.
1. display warnings for 20 seconds and stop displaying them automatically, or
2. display warnings in an "action bar"?

In both cases, users should be allowed to do other things without confirming 
that they see the warnings.

At present, users must press OK or the x before they can do other things.

Maybe, there should be a part like:
Tools -> Options -> LibreOffice -> Warnings
->
( checked ) Enable warnings when XXX
( checked ) Enable warnings when YYY
( checked ) Enable warnings when ZZZ

This looks systematic.

Regards,
C. H. D.

Great idea, can you report it to bugzilla as an enhancement request. I 
can even imagine a "scrolling warning" across the bottomlots of 
options, I dig the idea though.



Best Regards,
Joel





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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: No version named 4.0.0.0 RC1

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On 01/11/2013 09:18 PM, Dan Lewis wrote:

On 01/12/2013 12:14 AM, NoOp wrote:

On 01/11/2013 08:04 PM, C. H. D. wrote:

Hello!

I think the version numbers have not been refreshed properly.

I cannot report the bugs in LibreOffice 4 Release Candidate 1 here:

https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/bug/

The error message I get is:

 


Does it make any difference if you use LibreOffice 4.0.0.1 RC1?

--Dan

I made a mistake on freedesktop. The correct version is not RC1 but 
instead 4.0.0.1 rc, you should see this now in BSA and it'll work right. 
Please let me know if this doesn't correct the problem and apologies for 
the inconvenience.


Have a great weekend everyone!

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Joel

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: No version named 4.0.0.0 RC1

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On 01/11/2013 09:18 PM, Dan Lewis wrote:

On 01/12/2013 12:14 AM, NoOp wrote:

On 01/11/2013 08:04 PM, C. H. D. wrote:

Hello!

I think the version numbers have not been refreshed properly.

I cannot report the bugs in LibreOffice 4 Release Candidate 1 here:

https://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/bug/

The error message I get is:

 


Does it make any difference if you use LibreOffice 4.0.0.1 RC1?

--Dan



I'm working on this right now.

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Joel


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[libreoffice-users] [LibreOffice-QA] Conference Call - January 11th, 2013 - 1400 UTC

[Joel Madero]

Hi All,

First Happy New Year! This will be our first QA call of the new year and
we're excited to get back into our bi-weekly open meetings.

Our next call will be:

Date: Friday, January 11th, 2013
Time: 1400 UTC
Duration: Approximately 1 hour

This is a public meeting so anyone is welcome to join. QA policies,
priorities and discussion happen during this meeting.

Here is our current agenda (will be updated through Thursday):

http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA_Call_Current_Agenda

If you are joining and would like to discuss something else, please feel
free to add to the agenda but be prepared to talk about the item.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Corrupted File

[Joel Madero]

On 01/05/2013 04:31 AM, Regina Henschel wrote:

Hi Joel,

Joel Madero schrieb:

Hi All,
I have a corrupted file and it's important, hoping I can recover -- my
backup works but it's a month old and it's missing some data, worst case
it'll do but I'd prefer getting the up to date one fixed. Error is:

Read-Error.
Format error discovered in the file in sub-document content.xml at
2,1197863(row,col).


When I try opening content.xml with firefox I get

XML Parsing Error: duplicate attribute
Location: file:///tmp/.fr-lMJsLA/content.xml
Line Number 2, Column 1197864:


Any suggestions on how to fix this? Not confidential information so I
can send it to someone to look at. Thanks in advance


I have currently not time enough to repair it for you, but here is, 
what you need to do:


- Make a copy of the file and work on the copy.
- Unzip the file. Depending on your unpacker, you might need to change 
the filename-extension from .odt to .zip. You will get a folder.

- Go inside the folder. You will see the file content.xml
- Open the file with an editor, that is able to handle UTF8 and Unix 
line ends.
- Go to the place, which is given in the error message. You will see 
two identical parts of the kind foo="bar". Remove one of them. Save 
the file. Be sure to use UTF8 and Unix line ends.
- Mark all content of the folder and zip it. You will get a file, with 
filename-extension .zip. Change the filename-extension to .odt.


If all went well, you can open the file now. If it is not a text file, 
you have of cause to use the appropriate filename-extension.


Kind regards
Regina



Excellent, thanks for the advice to both of you. I used emacs and 
discovered the error - my bigger concern now is that LibO did this to 
begin with :-/



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[libreoffice-users] Corrupted File

[Joel Madero]

Hi All,
I have a corrupted file and it's important, hoping I can recover -- my 
backup works but it's a month old and it's missing some data, worst case 
it'll do but I'd prefer getting the up to date one fixed. Error is:


Read-Error.
Format error discovered in the file in sub-document content.xml at 
2,1197863(row,col).



When I try opening content.xml with firefox I get

XML Parsing Error: duplicate attribute
Location: file:///tmp/.fr-lMJsLA/content.xml
Line Number 2, Column 1197864:


Any suggestions on how to fix this? Not confidential information so I 
can send it to someone to look at. Thanks in advance



Best Regards,
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature request for impress : sub-second accuracy

[Joel Madero]

Feature request should be made via our bug tracking system at
bugs.freedesktop.org, mark "enhancement" on priority. Thanks for the help


On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 10:00 AM, Jean-Pascal Richir wrote:

> Hello everyone,
> Happy 2013!
> I'm new to this list, so I hope I'm in the right place (please tell me if
> I'm not). I've been using LibreOffice (OpenOffice before the fork of the
> project) for several years, and for the first time I would like to suggest
> a new feature for Impress. Well, actually it's not exactly what you would
> call a new feature, but rather a refinement of what's already possible.
> So here is my suggestion/request : I'would be very happy to have the
> possibility of setting display durations with sub-second accuracy in
> LibreOffice Impress. For instance, setting automatic slide transitions
> after 250, 333, 500, 666 or 750 milliseconds, but also 1.25 second, and so
> on...
> This would be really useful with regard to one of the uses I make of
> Impress, i.e. creating simple tools for the training of visual attention
> and other cognitive abilities in children. I'm not a programmer at all, so
> I can't modify the software myself to satisfy my needs.
> I'm looking forward to reading from anyone regarding this suggestion!
> Thank you for your attention and for any feedback!
> Have a nice day!
> JP Richir
> P.S. Please excuse me for any mistakes in this message, English is not my
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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 4.0.0.0 Beta1 Crash

[Joel Madero]

On 12/25/2012 01:59 PM, Mieszko Kaczmarczyk wrote:

W dniu 21.12.2012 19:44, Joel Madero pisze:

This is a known issue. Install latest version of .net framework and it
should be solved:)


>
>I submitted a bug in the past hour:
>https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58621
>
>It is about the crash when installing
>LibO-Dev_4.0.0.0.beta1_Win_x86_install_multi.msi.
>



It looks bad if for install LO will be required install first .net.


Mieszko Kaczmarczyk


This bug has been reported a lot of times and is being solved before 
stable release. Thanks for keeping up with it



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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 4.0.0.0 Beta1 Crash

[Joel Madero]

On 12/21/2012 06:25 PM, webofht-libreoffice...@yahoo.com.hk wrote:

Thank you. The installation of LibreOffice 4.0.0.0 Beta1 was complete after 
installing .Net Framework.

I think that somebody like me will find it hard to know that .Net Framework is 
a must.

Please state the link in the visible space to let more people know this 
requirement and to let them install LibreOffice 4.0.0.0 Beta1 easily.
--
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Tip: LibreOffice 4.0.0.0 Beta1 requires .Net Framework. Please install it 
before installing this version of LibreOffice. .Net Framework can be found here:
http://www.microsoft.com/net

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Thank you.

Regards,
C. H. D.

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By release of stable we'll have a real solution to this one :)


Regards and thanks for reporting,
Joel
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   




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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 4.0.0.0 Beta1 Crash

[Joel Madero]

This is a known issue. Install latest version of .net framework and it
should be solved :)

Regards,
Joel


On Fri, Dec 21, 2012 at 6:49 AM, wrote:

> Hi!
>
> I submitted a bug in the past hour:
> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=58621
>
> It is about the crash when installing
> LibO-Dev_4.0.0.0.beta1_Win_x86_install_multi.msi.
>
> Is there anything I need to add to make the bug report complete?
>
> I am new to the bug reporting system.
>
> Regards,
> C. H. D.
>
>
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[libreoffice-users] LibreOffice 4 Test Week

[Joel Madero]

Hi All,

Just a friendly reminder that we are still in the middle of our 
LibreOffice 4 test marathon week :) Please join if you even have 1 hour 
to spare, really just requires installing LibO 4 Beta and using it, that 
simple!


http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Test_Marathon_LibreOffice_4.0

Testing LibreOffice 4 Beta will help ensure that stable release in early 
2013 is as great as it can be. You can also find QA mentors at 
#libreoffice-qa on freenode.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Suggest adding one more QA step before release

[Joel Madero]

On 12/13/2012 06:04 PM, webofht-libreoffice...@yahoo.com.hk wrote:

Just to let you know that I started LibreOffice Beta properly on Debian Linux.

Details:

LibO-Dev_4.0.0.0.beta1_Linux_x86_install-deb_en-US.tar.gz

Version 4.0.0.0.beta1 (Build ID: 87906242e87d3ddb2ba9827818f2d1416d80cc7)

Regards,
C. H. D.

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Excellent, for all of you please join the QA IRC channel, it shows 
community support and helps newer users feel comfortable participating. 
I am happy that you were able to install 4.0 without any hang ups :)



Best Regards,
Joel

P.S. Feel free to ping me on IRC :)

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Suggest adding one more QA step before release

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On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 12:48 PM, Paolo Debortoli  wrote:

> i think everything is working well at the moment. i have found very
> marginal problems with LO until now.  i just suggested time ago that LO
> should include an automatic crash report (such as ms office, firefox and
> other software), which can be enabled or disabled by the user in the
> software settings (or which asks every time: do you want to send this
> information?) and which should send in a database some information (eg
> operating system, software version, type of document, type of operation and
> so on) every time it notices a crash in the software (for example in my
> case LO crashed more times trying to open .docx documents).  This could
> make much easier to compile lists of bugs and issues.
>

I'll bring this up during QA call to see if it's been discussed. Thanks for
the suggestion :)


Regards,
Joel

>
>
>
>
> 
>  From: Joel Madero 
> To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 4:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Suggest adding one more QA step before
> release
>
> On 12/13/2012 07:09 AM, webofht-libreoffice...@yahoo.com.hk wrote:
> > I think an office suite should be stable.
> >
> > So, I think to emphasize the importance of quality assurance is vital.
> >
> > May I suggest adding a step checking if the office suite starts properly?
> >
> > LibreOffice should support most hardware and software configurations.
> >
> > If it does not start in one case, please postpone and stop the release.
>
> I'm one of the people really involved with QA and trust me, we do an
> abundant amount of testing on every release before and during
> production/patching. Just for an idea, we have an entire week being
> dedicated to LibO 4 testing:
>
>
> http://www.pcworld.com/article/2019594/help-improve-libreoffice-4-0-in-a-test-marathon-this-month.html
> http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Test_Marathon_LibreOffice_4.0
>
> we're always looking for more help to test stuff from our user community,
> please get involved this week if you have a couple hours.
>
> Best Regards,
> Joel
> >
> > Regards,
> > C. H. D.
> >
> >
> >
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[libreoffice-users] [LibreOffice-QA] Conference Call - December 14th, 2012 - 1400 UTC

[Joel Madero]

Hi All,

This is an open invite for anyone to join our bi-weekly public QA call 
tomorrow (December 14th, 2012) at 1400 UTC. The prototype agenda can be 
seen here:


http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA_Call_Current_Agenda

For call in directions see here:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA_Call_Contact

If you are calling in please also join our LibreOffice-QA channel at
#libreoffice-qa on freenode

This is the perfect place for you to get involved with LibreOffice. No 
programming skills are required and this is where QA policies, agendas 
and priorities are set. If you've ever wanted to help but haven't been 
sure how, this is a great place to start :) I apologize for the late 
notice and hope to see some of you in the call/chat.


Feel free to email me with questions/concerns.



Best Regards,
Joel



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Suggest adding one more QA step before release

[Joel Madero]

On 12/13/2012 07:09 AM, webofht-libreoffice...@yahoo.com.hk wrote:

I think an office suite should be stable.

So, I think to emphasize the importance of quality assurance is vital.

May I suggest adding a step checking if the office suite starts properly?

LibreOffice should support most hardware and software configurations.

If it does not start in one case, please postpone and stop the release.


I'm one of the people really involved with QA and trust me, we do an 
abundant amount of testing on every release before and during 
production/patching. Just for an idea, we have an entire week being 
dedicated to LibO 4 testing:


http://www.pcworld.com/article/2019594/help-improve-libreoffice-4-0-in-a-test-marathon-this-month.html
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Test_Marathon_LibreOffice_4.0

we're always looking for more help to test stuff from our user 
community, please get involved this week if you have a couple hours.


Best Regards,
Joel


Regards,
C. H. D.



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[libreoffice-users] Test Week for Version 4 Write Up (pcworld.com)

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For anyone who is wanting to help with some non programming tasks we 
sent out a message saying test week starts tomorrow, for anyone who 
missed that here is the link:


http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/Test_Marathon_LibreOffice_4.0

Also check out the write up done by pcworld

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2019594/help-improve-libreoffice-4-0-in-a-test-marathon-this-month.html

Look forward to seeing many of you in the IRC chat helping us test 
LibreOffice 4's features and limitations :)


Regards,
Joel

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Changing paths in LO

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On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 6:39 AM, Virgil Arrington wrote:

> wanting to direct my document path in the Linux LO to my Win7 document
> directory on the Win7 partition. When I try to change the paths in
> Tools/Options/Paths, absolutely nothing happens. I can select the Win7
> document directory, but when I click  I get no change. In fact, it
> won't even let me change any of my paths to anything other than what's
> already there. I can't even change them to a Linux directory.


Go inside of the directory and then click Ok, so instead of maybe
/media/Windows and then clicking on "Documents", navigate inside of the
Documents folder and click ok. Several others have issued similar
complaints about how paths are handled and I believe it's a bug report
that's being looked into.

Regards,
Joel


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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice is now on a "auto install auto update" system

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Honestly I've never installed LibreOffice with Ninite, I installed like 10
other packages with it and never had an issue. A few years ago it got
software of the year by some group, no clue which one and that's how I
found out about it.

I much prefer sudo apt-get install LibreOffice ;) Much easier


Regards,
Joel


On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 7:10 AM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P <
webmas...@krackedpress.com> wrote:

> On 12/12/2012 09:57 AM, Joel Madero wrote:
>
>> On 12/12/2012 06:49 AM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I got an e-zine this morning about a package that is downloads,
>>> installs, and updates, a list of packages for you.
>>>
>>> I fount LibreOffice 3.6.4 listed.
>>>
>>> This statement is what worries me though:
>>>
>>> "No Clicking Next, Next, Next
>>> Ninite fully automates installers offscreen."
>>>
>>> See what you think.
>>>
>>> http://ninite.com/
>>>
>>>  When I used Windows years ago I used to ninite quite frequently, it's
>> just a small installer that then pulls the individual installers and then
>> goes through them automatically, pretty functional.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Joel
>>
>>
> What I do not like it the statements that makes me feel that I have no
> control of how the packages are installed.  I always do a custom install of
> packages to make sure I only install things I want.  For LO, I make sure I
> install only the languages and dictionaries I want.  There are some
> packages that has a "default" of adding toolbars and other things to other
> packages, like browsers, that are not acceptable to my point of view.
>
> I never heard of this "Ninite" so I did not know about how much "trust" I
> would give it.
>
> Also, does Windows LO still need a JRE installed BEFORE it gets installed?
>  Use to be yes.  If such a "auto install" system tries to install LO with
> no JRE installed first, then problems. . . .
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Re: [libreoffice-users] LibreOffice is now on a "auto install auto update" system

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On 12/12/2012 06:49 AM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:



I got an e-zine this morning about a package that is downloads, 
installs, and updates, a list of packages for you.


I fount LibreOffice 3.6.4 listed.

This statement is what worries me though:

"No Clicking Next, Next, Next
Ninite fully automates installers offscreen."

See what you think.

http://ninite.com/

When I used Windows years ago I used to ninite quite frequently, it's 
just a small installer that then pulls the individual installers and 
then goes through them automatically, pretty functional.


Regards,
Joel

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[libreoffice-users] [QA] Volunteers to Maintain Stats

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Hi All,

I'm one of the people involved with quality assurance and I'm looking for
volunteer(s) to help me maintain a stats wiki. Right now I am the only one
maintaining it and I just am pushed for time to maintain it the way that
I'd like to.

Here is the site: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA_Stats

That is only one set of stats, there are at least 3 other sets that I'd
like to maintain regularly and am always looking for additional useful
stats for our development team as well as our marketing team. If you're
interested please send me an email and we'll work something out. Please
don't just go add stuff, I much prefer coordinating what our goal is in
having the stats updated :)

Skills needed:
Ability to use wiki relatively well
Ability to write clear instructions in English
Ability to maintain a normal schedule (kind of?) to update regularly

Not a huge time commitment here, updating that one that's there really
takes about 2 minutes, if we can get 5-10 different sets of stats it'd
really help out our teams.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Chart Range Entire Column

[Joel Madero]

I'll look into both solutions provided although the Base one kind of goes
outside of the scope of what I'm looking for. This is an issue that has
applied to a lot of spreadsheets for me and an auto update feature would be
really useful. My spreadsheet structure is like this:

A|B|C
Date|Income|Expenses
YY/DD/MM||

It seems like this wouldn't be the best for a database and seems to be
perfect for a spreadsheet.


Many thanks, I will be putting this into FDO as an enhancement request, I
believe that MSO does it but not positive.


Regards,
Joel


On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Gabriele Ponzo  wrote:

> I forgot to Reply All, I'm sorry.
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>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Gabriele Ponzo 
> Date: 2012/12/5
> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Chart Range Entire Column
> To: Joel Madero 
>
>
> What You seem to be looking for is an auto-scaling feature which I
> don't believe has been yet implemented.
>
> Scientifically is correct that if you specify a range of x rows, the
> graphic makes room for all af them, even if empty, because if they are
> in the range, their data has to be considered (even null).
>
> By the way it's an interesting point of view and could be suggested as
> a new feature to be added as an option for instance, I think, because
> it could be useful as well.
>
> What I can tell You to solve this, for the moment, is to double click
> into the graphic to go editing it, and then double click the Date's
> axis. Now You can specify in the first Tab (Scale) the Maximum Value,
> avoiding the Automatic Option. In this way it will render just the
> portion of Data You'll need.
>
> It still requires to edit the graphic, but I think it's surely better
> and faster than having to modify the Data Values Area. And I think You
> could do this once a quad, leaving not too much blank space at the end
> of the graphic.
>
> I really hope to have been useful for You and all people reading, and
> also to have aimed a good solution without forgetting other ones which
> could have been simpler.
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> 2012/12/5 Joel Madero :
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I want to know if there's a way to make a chart range be an entire column
> > so that if I add data I don't have to manually alter the range. For
> > instance, every month I do expenses and the new row would be "MM/"
> then
> > there's expenses and income listed, every time I add a new entry I have
> to
> > manually update the data range which is a hassle. If I select the entire
> > column as a data range it automatically adjusts to the last row with
> data.
> > Furthermore, if I just do a range that has like 10,000 extra rows (Maybe
> > A1:A1) the chart is squished (it doesn't auto adjust according to
> logic
> > of where last cell contains data and then update when new data is
> entered).
> >
> > Many thanks as always,
> > Joel
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[libreoffice-users] Chart Range Entire Column

[Joel Madero]

Hi All,

I want to know if there's a way to make a chart range be an entire column
so that if I add data I don't have to manually alter the range. For
instance, every month I do expenses and the new row would be "MM/" then
there's expenses and income listed, every time I add a new entry I have to
manually update the data range which is a hassle. If I select the entire
column as a data range it automatically adjusts to the last row with data.
Furthermore, if I just do a range that has like 10,000 extra rows (Maybe
A1:A1) the chart is squished (it doesn't auto adjust according to logic
of where last cell contains data and then update when new data is entered).

Many thanks as always,
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Re: [libreoffice-users] hello

[Joel Madero]

On 11/29/2012 04:52 AM, Klearchos-Angelos Gkountras wrote:

Hello ,

I am a Debian Gnu / Linux  User and I want to know how to contribute to
Libre Office. Any ideas ? I don't know good programming but I want to help

This is a great place to start:
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugTriage

Feel free to email me if you have any specific questions with that, I'm 
part of the QA team and would be happy to help you get involved.


Regards,
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Re: [libreoffice-users] cropped images in docx file not formatted correctly

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I'd suggest looking at bugs.freedesktop.org and search for similar
problems. I know that image placement has been reported before and .docx is
a nightmare to work with (Microsoft isn't very open about sharing their
standards.if you didn't know that :) ).

Regards,
Joel

P.S. If you don't see similar bug reports I suggest you report the bug and
attach a test document so that we can look into it


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> LO 3.5.4 on opensuse 12.2
> LO 3.6.3 on Windows XP
>
> Most of my colleagues are now using recent versions of Word, where docx is
> the default format. Exchanging pure text documents is not a huge problem,
> but I've run into difficulties with docx files containing cropped images,
> of which there are many.
>
> When read into LO, the cropped images are not formatted correctly. Instead
> of being cropped, the image is 'squashed' to the dimensions of the cropped
> image, but no cropping has taken place.
>
> I've submitted a bug report as:
>
> 
> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/**show_bug.cgi?id=57378<https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57378>
>
> with sample files illustrating the problem.
>
> I can't find any setting in the LO options to overcome this, but I may be
> missing something as I couldn't find any previous bug reports of this
> phenomenon, so perhaps other people are not experiencing it. Can anyone
> else confirm it happening?
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ?

[Joel Madero]

I was one of the one who sent a direct email to you (should have kept it on
list, my apologies) about contributing. QA is actively trying to grow and
requires very little (if any) programming skills. If you'd like to help out
with QA (triaging mostly right now), let us know and we'll help you get
started. Devs can't start fixing problems until they are appropriately
prioritized so there may be hundreds of bugs about interoperability with
MSO but Devs can't look at it until our small team of QA'ers get to them
and verify the bugs and then prioritize.

Regards,
Joel


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> Hi Carl,
>
> Le 2012-11-19 08:34, Carl Paulsen a écrit :
>
>> Thanks, Regina.  I know there are other ways to contribute, but I don't
>> necessarily know what they are.  Templates is one way, but the real
>> issue I see is going from MSO to LO/OO.  We can't control the other end.
>>
>> So is there a simple list of SPECIFIC ways users can contribute
>> (templates is a good example) that is easily found?  I've seen some
>> general lists of how to contribute, but I haven't searched much for more
>> specifics.  In any case it should probably be front and center on the
>> website (again, not the develop, donate $$, etc. generic list, but more
>> specifics).
>>
>> Carl
>>
>
> Our contributions are team driven. Usually, if an individual is seriously
> interested in contributing:
>
> * she/he will go to the "Get Involved" section of our website[1]
> * read through the different categories for contribution
> * choose/join an area of interest
> * announce her/himself to the list
> * state their particular interest in that section
> * members will then direct them to their project needs
>
> If unsure of where you would best fit:
>
> * the "user" or the "discuss" mailing lists are where you could leave
> questions with regards to contributing
> * someone from the project will ask you about your interests, after which,
> guide you to the right contributor-section that suits you best
> * once you have joined the team and announced yourself, the team members
> will help guide you to their project needs.
>
> Feel free to let us know in what way you could help out the project, and,
> we will help you find the right section. You will find that we will gladly
> accept your help in whatever section you decide to join.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Cheers,
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Diwali

[Joel Madero]

On 11/13/2012 04:10 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
Happy Diwali all!  In my country it is not an official holiday so some of us 
celebrated it last weekend and others will celebrate this coming weekend and 
some are hoping to do both!


Enjoy dancing and  have fun :)  (Perhaps some relevant photos?)

Regards from
Tom :)


Happy happy Deepavali :)

Regards,
Joel

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Don't have "Print to File" Option

[Joel Madero]

On 11/02/2012 03:52 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:

On 2012-11-01 4:21 PM, Joel Madero  wrote:

Hi All,
Trying to triage these printing bugs and I'd much prefer not printing 
and
instead just printing to file...unfortunately I don't have this 
option any

more and I'm not sure when or why it went away.

Bodhi Linux
LibO: 3.6.1.2 as well as master (built yesterday)


3.6.1 was known to be full of bugs, so why would you build *yesterday 
such an old version? Why not 3.6.3, that was just *released* 
yesterday? I don't understand people sometimes.


I think more accurately you don't understand what I said. I have 3.6.1.2 
installed through stable Ubuntu repository then I ALSO have MASTER 
installed (that is the latest and greatest code which is updated daily 
and can be buggy as hellonly used by developers really). And when I 
say built I mean compiled from source through git



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[libreoffice-users] Don't have "Print to File" Option

[Joel Madero]

Hi All,
Trying to triage these printing bugs and I'd much prefer not printing and
instead just printing to file...unfortunately I don't have this option any
more and I'm not sure when or why it went away.

Bodhi Linux
LibO: 3.6.1.2 as well as master (built yesterday)

Any help appreciated

Best Regards,
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Re: [libreoffice-users] LO 3.6.3 Release Notes

[Joel Madero]

Sorry, I lied ;) Looking into it now :)

On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 8:45 AM, Joel Madero  wrote:

> 3.6.3 is still a release candidate. We'll look into it when it's
> final/stable
>
>
> Regards,
> Joel
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 8:30 AM, Chad Homan  wrote:
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>> Wasn't sure where to post this, but I believe there is a typo on the
>> release notes for 3.6.3
>>
>> "bit for for identical to 3.6.2"
>>
>> pretty sure this isn't the case, and I hope this finds it's way home.
>>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] LO 3.6.3 Release Notes

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3.6.3 is still a release candidate. We'll look into it when it's
final/stable


Regards,
Joel

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>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] RE: Survey about newcomer experience for LibreOffice project contributors

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On 10/23/2012 07:44 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
Most studies about desktop users are funded  by MS.  It's pretty rare to see 
one that mentions OpenSource at all.  Mysteriously, the ones that get published 
tend to favour MS, so it's really quite amazing to find one that might be 
independent and might even discover some truths.  So, I think anyone that can 
take the survey might well be helping both us and the people doing the survey.

https://limesurvey.sim.vuw.ac.nz/index.php?sid=14153%E2%8C%A9=en

It doesn't take long to complete the survey and it can be done in chunks quite easily.  I 
think we should support it so i am forwarding it to another couple of lists.  It's 
interesting that their definition of 'newcomer' (they mean someone in LO around 2 years 
or less) covers just about everyone using LO.  I wasn't in OpenOffice.org but i get the 
impression that there are significant differences in infrastructure, attitudes and 
approach.  Also their definition of "member" is a lot more open than TDF's so if
you are not officially a member then you can probably still fill it in.




Remember that you must be a contributor though. A user who just asks 
questions on the user forum should not fill out the survey. If you 
regularly help others on the user forum, I would say you're easily a 
contributor, but a person who only asks a question here or there, 
probably shouldn't fill out the survey



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Re: [libreoffice-users] download 3.5 3.6

[Joel Madero]

>From what I remember in Windows you see an icon in the bottom right corner
that's LibO's icon, right click and do exit. Quick starter does exactly as
it says, makes LibreOffice start quicker by having some portion
"pre-loaded" at startup.


Regards,
Joel

On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 11:59 AM, Ron  wrote:

> Trying to download 3.6 upgrading from 3.4 getting message
> Exit LibreOffice 3.4 (close program) and the 3.4 Quickstarter
> Don't know what the Quickstarter is and how to close it
> Would appreciate any help
>
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Re: BUG/FEATURE: Re: [libreoffice-users] --convert-to txt:Text *.odp, *.ods

[Joel Madero]

This will never get looked at unfortunately unless you report it to 
freedesktop.


https://bugs.freedesktop.org/

Make sure to be very concise in what you are requesting.

Regards,
Joel

On 10/20/2012 10:22 AM, Trever L. Adams wrote:

On 10/19/2012 09:08 PM, anne-ology wrote:

One suggestion:
 convert to .pdf -
 from here you can view all in order to do whatever;
as: 'select all' text --> delete; the images would
remain yet the text would be gone.
Then you could 'save as' in whatever form you desire.


Hello All,

Unfortunately, as stated, this is for batch jobs. Converting to PDF is
an option (only because of other filters such as pdftotext). The problem
with that, is this is a system that will be used heavily. Every
conversion setup will slow things down and possibly cause loss of
context of the text (where such context exists).

I believe it is a bug that Impress and Calc won't do text export. Yes,
Calc does .csv, but the commas are a problem. A text export should use
spaces (if this can be done on the command line then calc works. Impress
needs a text export.

Why? It is text, let me get it out easily. Why not through ? Because, the text, as I understood it, is
stored in UTF-8 in all ODT/ODS/ODP, etc. formats. Is this true for files
imported (Word, Excel, etc.)? I don't know. If I just needed the Open
Document formats, I would use odt2txt, ods2txt, odp2txt, etc. (I believe
I have seen all of them). However, I need fast, one-stop conversion to
UTF-8 text for all office formats that LibreOffice can read.

My feature request: Please, implement conversion to text for Impress and
Calc as well. As stated, just dump the text out of ODP (use a newline or
other whitespace character between text objects and slides, otherwise
just straight text). For ODS, csv export works if the comma can be
replaced by a space.

If a bug report belongs elsewhere, I am sorry. I was unable to find a
bugzilla or similar and this seemed the best list for it.

Thank you,
Trever Adams





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Re: [libreoffice-users] ... not working ...

[Joel Madero]

I would say the code is "getting better". I've only been on the project a
few months so I can't say how much progress we've made but I know that we
still have a build time of 4+ hours which says a lot. The code is still a
bit tricky, not enough comments left by previous developers, etc...

Also, I would argue that "our project" (meaning LibO, we don't use LO ;) ),
is quite small still. We have a very small team of developers who routinely
(>1 patch per week) contribute, a slightly bigger team that submits at
least one patch a month, and then a couple hundred that have submitted 1 or
2 patches in the course of several months (this includes myself ). We could
probably double our number of developers doing 1 patch or so a month and
still be in need for quite a few more.

Regards,
Joel

On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 8:11 AM, Tom Davies  wrote:

> Hi :)
> Just one thing.  LO is not particularly small and it's definitely not
> new.  The original code was called Star Office and was developed around a
> decade or so ago.  After a couple of years Sun took it on and called it
> OpenOffice.org and then TDF took the code and called it LibreOffice.  So
> there are probably chunks of the code and ways of doing things that date
> back to the last century!  Hence why you still see references to "soffice"
> if you look in your task-manager or systems processes.
>
> Now that a lot of the old irrelevant comments and stuff have been almost
> cleaned out (allegedly) it might be possible to focus more on streamlining
> and using more modern approaches in some areas.  It should definitely be
> easier to find your way around the code and i think that is going to have
> some big impacts on the effectiveness of any work done by the devs.  The
> Pita stuff is nearly done.  Time for some fun!  (or have i got it wrong
> again?)
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
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> *From:* Joel Madero 
> *To:* users@global.libreoffice.org
> *Sent:* Friday, 19 October 2012, 14:53
>
> *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users] ... not working ...
>
> On 10/18/2012 11:11 PM, rost52 wrote:
> > This is a very interesting information. I am not really surprised by the
> ration indicated here. I exepcte finding the cause of a bug takes much more
> time than final fix. I am grateful to the dev because I know myself how
> difficult it is to find a bug in a complicated SW.
> >
> > Question: What means:
> > - bot lists
> > -FDO
> In IRC (chat client) we have automatic robots that routinely (ten's of
> times a day) say what patches have been submitted to gerrit (the service we
> use to keep our code). Every time a patch is submitted the robot (bot)
> spits out an automated message saying that a person (with a name) has
> submitted a patch and explains what that patch does.
>
> FDO = free desktop . org (f d o). Ans is where you can report bugs
> pertaining to the libreoffice project. If you want to see a list of
> confirmed bugs look here -- you'll see immediately how overwhelmed a small
> project can get:
>
>
> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&list_id=147729&product=LibreOffice&query_format=advanced&order=opendate%2Cchangeddate%2Cbug_status%2Cpriority%2Cassigned_to%2Cbug_id&limit=0
>
> That is 3,956 bugs and climbing (there are an additional 1,200 or so that
> are reported but not confirmed yet...the QA team confirms the bugs so
> developers can focus on coding)
>
>
> Regards,
> Joel
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Inserting a code for today's date

[Joel Madero]

Ah, yes my mistake for assuming what you were using. I'll have to look into
writer. I just tried inserting a table (1x1) and putting the formula, no
good.


Regards,
Joel

On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 7:54 AM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P <
webmas...@krackedpress.com> wrote:

>
> That will give the current date you inserted the date into the document,
> but not update it when you use the template later.  I tried that once and
> it did not work.
>
> I never tried the=TODAY()
> in my template, or know how to insert it in a Writer template. That looks
> like it is made for a Calc spreadsheet template.
>
> I use the Insert Fields a lot of times.  Date, Page number and count,
> etc., etc., for my documents, but never in a template when the date and
> time must be updated every time I use the template or do any editing of the
> document and need the date/time be reflected automatically.
>
>
> On 10/19/2012 10:43 AM, Tom Davies wrote:
>
>> Hi :)
>> Doesn't just
>> Insert - Fields - Date
>> do the trick?  Does that just insert the date today and then not update
>> in the future?  It should update but i have a funny feeling it doesn't work
>> as intended so i'm curious to know if that hasn't worked for you.
>> Regards from
>> Tom :)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  __**__
>>> From: bill 
>>> To: users@global.libreoffice.org
>>> Sent: Friday, 19 October 2012, 15:26
>>> Subject: [libreoffice-users] Inserting a code for today's date
>>>
>>> Is there any way I can insert code so that when I open a template the
>>> date is the date that the document is opened rather than the date it was
>>> created ?
>>>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] ... not working ...

[Joel Madero]

On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 7:54 AM, Tom Davies  wrote:

> Hi :)
> Ahhh, now i understand what QA is.  I think other projects call it
> different things such as the Triage Team and stuff like that.  I think a
> few people on this list could almost definitely help and maybe we could
> help push people in that direction.
>

+1. We do more than just confirming bugs in QA but it is a big part of what
we do.

>
> A few people have asked about how to become a dev and i usually point them
> to just the Easy Hacks but QA is a good way of getting hands-on quickly
> without actually having to instantly learn coding.  You clearly build-up a
> better understanding of the infrastructure used by LO devs and perhaps it
> helps you as you are learning coding by giving you examples of where it's
> most needed.  Right, next time i will point people towards QA.
>

+1 please do, you can have them even email me directly as I coordinate a
lot of that stuff.


Regards,
Joel

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Inserting a code for today's date

[Joel Madero]

=TODAY()

On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 7:26 AM, bill  wrote:

> Is there any way I can insert code so that when I open a template the date
> is the date that the document is opened rather than the date it was created
> ?
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] ... not working ...

[Joel Madero]

On 10/18/2012 11:11 PM, rost52 wrote:
This is a very interesting information. I am not really surprised by 
the ration indicated here. I exepcte finding the cause of a bug takes 
much more time than final fix. I am grateful to the dev because I know 
myself how difficult it is to find a bug in a complicated SW.


Question: What means:
- bot lists
-FDO
In IRC (chat client) we have automatic robots that routinely (ten's of 
times a day) say what patches have been submitted to gerrit (the service 
we use to keep our code). Every time a patch is submitted the robot 
(bot) spits out an automated message saying that a person (with a name) 
has submitted a patch and explains what that patch does.


FDO = free desktop . org (f d o). Ans is where you can report bugs 
pertaining to the libreoffice project. If you want to see a list of 
confirmed bugs look here -- you'll see immediately how overwhelmed a 
small project can get:


https://bugs.freedesktop.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&list_id=147729&product=LibreOffice&query_format=advanced&order=opendate%2Cchangeddate%2Cbug_status%2Cpriority%2Cassigned_to%2Cbug_id&limit=0

That is 3,956 bugs and climbing (there are an additional 1,200 or so 
that are reported but not confirmed yet...the QA team confirms the bugs 
so developers can focus on coding)



Regards,
Joel

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Re: [libreoffice-users] ... not working ...

[Joel Madero]

r can do is, not to make a decision. Without decision 
there is no change to the situation and thus no chance for improvement.

Let me thank here again all devs doing great jobs in developing and improving 
LO.

ROSt

Maybe I take C++ classes when I retire LO would be worth to do.




On 18.10.2012 14:36, Joel Madero wrote:

Let alone regressions which are just accepted as a part of software development. Ultimately, 
mistakes happen, and when a software code base has been transferred left and right and had a 
ton of people randomly working on it (which is exactly what happens with open source 
software), a lot of the job of a developer coming onto the project is just playing 
"catch up" and guessing and what a previous developer was attempting to do. Again, 
I highly suggest taking a few C++ classes and then it'll become apparent that the idea that 
we should stop everything and get every single bug squashed (>5,000), is not a realistic 
stance. We should and we are (I guarantee this) doing everything in our power to prioritize 
bugs and take care of those bugs that are

a) most annoying

b) affecting the most users

c) resulting in data loss

We are a young project and this is a goal that has been set. Being young, this 
is a goal, not a fact. If you're interested in seeing how much work is done on 
a daily basis, just follow gerrit (our code tracker), or sit in IRC and look at 
the incredibly brilliant conversations that happen to find solutions to many of 
the problems that are being reported.

Just to give another point, we are averaging more than 5 new reports PER DAY. 
Our QA team is a group of volunteers no more than 7 or 8 strong. Each of these 
bugs has to go through a long process just to verify, ensure that it's not a 
duplicate, communicate with the user who reported it, and then priortize it. 
That's JUST getting the bug confirmed, then it gets put into the stack where a 
very small group of dedicated developers tackle them, one by one. A single bug 
can take a week + to tackle (that's 40+ hours). Let's say the average bug takes 
10 hours (a massive understatement), that's 50,000 hours worth of work to 
tackle the 5,000 or so confirmed bugs.

Seeing these off hand remarks about how we should develop the product is 
disheartening. I wish that more people would take a class at their local 
community college, or take a free online course, and start to put their 
thoughts to work on our code.

Regards,
Joel

On 10/17/2012 10:23 PM, Jay Lozier wrote:

On 10/18/2012 01:08 AM, Joel Madero wrote:

On 10/17/2012 06:29 PM, anne-ology wrote:

... Thanks  :-)
   maybe now more will realize what we're saying ;-)

This is simply unrealistic. For anyone who has any experience with programming 
this would be known. No offense but with a ratio of 100,000:1 or more users to 
developers, the idea that we would just squash all bugs and stop releasing new 
versions isn't realistic at all and thus why developers wouldn't respond to 
this recommendation. If you want to help I suggest taking some C++ classes and 
getting involved with the code. Most of us are volunteers who do this with our 
spare time, I hope you all keep that in mind


Regards,
Joel

Another problem for all programs in wide release is wide hardware variability 
in the Windows and Linux worlds especially when compared to Macs. There could 
be a very odd hardware/driver interaction that was never discovered in alpha, 
beta, or release candidate previews with specific hardware combinations.


On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:07 AM, Pertti Rönnberg  wrote:

BRAVO Anne-Ology!!

Exactly that message - only in other words -- I have repeatedly tried to
tell to the LibO-experts (devs) since January:
they must take a brake in developing and take a certain version (e.g.
3.4.xx) and make every module of the suite - Base included - absolutely
free of bugs and inconsistencies both in programming and the instructions
and especially the LibO-Help.
Every feature shall have a clear explanation and a detailed guiding how-to
in the LibO-Help -- easily understood by any average non-expert user.

Obviously I've been crying in vain because I have not noticed any
(re)actions -- the developing of new versions is continuing with the result
of an increasing activity on this list.

I have LibO3.4.6 installed (Win7) but avoid using it (Calc, Base) because
I have better to do than struggle with problems.
I would like to know which LibO version for the time being can be
considered as the most reliable and productive -- especially regarding Base.
It would also be interesting to see an (valid) evaluation of that reliable
usability on a scale 1-10 for each of the the different modules of versions
3.4.xx, 3.5.xx.x, 3.6.xx.x
Pertti Rönnberg




On 16.10.2012 18:15, anne-ology wrote:


 This is the reason I have no intention of updating from 3.4 until
ALL these bugs are worked out 

Re: [libreoffice-users] ... not working ...

[Joel Madero]

This is going to go on my list of QA stats that I prepare for our team. 
I'm not sure how I'll get the data BUT when I do I suspect that 90+% of 
our work goes towards bug fixing, 10% or so goes towards enhancements. 
Once I get the data together I'll make sure to send it out to the user 
list. One good way to know that most of our work goes towards bug fixing 
is to sit in LibreOffice dev chat and watch as the bot lists the patches 
being pushed, I RARELY see anything but bug fixes. Another good 
indicator is looking at FDO and seeing that most enhancements are left 
untouched (unfortunate but we just don't have enough developers).



Regards,
Joel


On 10/18/2012 03:25 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
Yes, but rather than learn new words for all those sorts of things i thought it 
was smart to re-use words that we ARE familiar with in order to give a close 
approximation to what is going on.

LO is a meritocracy which suggests there are leaders leading.  There is some 
sort of management structure that has some sort of hierarchy but one that can 
respond sensibly to people's changing lives rather than being stagnant and 
brittle.

We don't need to know the exact details and just using words that are similar 
enough is good enough for us on this list.  If people want details then they 
can probably find them out easily enough by joining the devs list or looking 
around their wiki and places.  It's not hidden it's just too much for me to 
think about right now and their are tons of ways they could have structured it 
sensibly to deal with the type of work they do.

The main point is that devs are roughly equal to rock gods imo while we hang 
around helping people with their tickets and point them to the bar.
Regards from
Tom :)







From: Dr. R. O Stapf 
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Thursday, 18 October 2012, 11:08
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] ... not working ...

I don't mean that a single manager makes all decisions and the team has to 
follow. The word
"manager" could and should be understood also as "management team", "decision making 
team",
"leadership", etc.

I am not familiar with the structure of the dev team and decision making 
processes. Thus, I used
simply "manager". At the end it is the dev team bringing LO forward. Let me 
repeat myself, but I
respect these people a lot and I am very grateful for all the work they did and 
do.


On 18.10.2012 16:44, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
+1
I think that it's precisely because we see so much great development being done that we 
get excited about it and want more.  Also the fact that people can post bug-reports and 
even non-coders opinions do get listened makes us feel like we can "off-load".  
So, a lot of the criticisms are not necessarily about LO specifically but about IT in 
general.

ROSt talks about management decisions and hints about those being imposed on a workforce 
because that's the easier way for most of us on the Users List to understand it.  I 
suspect that most of us either do now or have at some point worked in traditional offices 
in mainstream management structures.  In LO i imagine the equivalent is leadership rather 
than management.  Inspiration and initiative rather than "just following 
orders".  Personal investment and interest in achieving goals.  It is leading to 
some impressive results.

Regards from
Tom :)


--- On Thu, 18/10/12, rost52  wrote:

From: rost52 
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] ... not working ...
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Thursday, 18 October, 2012, 7:44

Hi Joel,

I think nobody blames the dev team for not working enough; in contrast all 
appreciate the work done by the dev team, being it new features or bug fixes.

For my understanding the concerns and opinions expressed here are more related 
to the ratio of devs being allocate to new features versus bug fixes. I think 
most of us also understand that first the number of devs is limited, and second 
the decision on how many devs on new features and how many on bug fixes is not 
an easy one. It is a management decisions, which can turn out right or wrong. 
And for management decisions one needs a lot of information. Speaking for 
myself I would regard these comments as additional information.

In this sense, please regard the messages in this forum as additional 
information, which could.should help decision makers to make decisions. And 
should a decision turn out to be wrong, there is no problem in changing course. 
The worst thing a manager can do is, not to make a decision. Without decision 
there is no change to the situation and thus no chance for improvement.

Let me thank here again all devs doing great jobs in developing and improving 
LO.

ROSt

Maybe I take C++ classes when I retire LO would be worth to do.




On 18.10.2012 14:36, Joel Madero wrote:

Let alone 

Re: [libreoffice-users] ... not working ...

[Joel Madero]

Let alone regressions which are just accepted as a part of software 
development. Ultimately, mistakes happen, and when a software code base 
has been transferred left and right and had a ton of people randomly 
working on it (which is exactly what happens with open source software), 
a lot of the job of a developer coming onto the project is just playing 
"catch up" and guessing and what a previous developer was attempting to 
do. Again, I highly suggest taking a few C++ classes and then it'll 
become apparent that the idea that we should stop everything and get 
every single bug squashed (>5,000), is not a realistic stance. We should 
and we are (I guarantee this) doing everything in our power to 
prioritize bugs and take care of those bugs that are


a) most annoying

b) affecting the most users

c) resulting in data loss

We are a young project and this is a goal that has been set. Being 
young, this is a goal, not a fact. If you're interested in seeing how 
much work is done on a daily basis, just follow gerrit (our code 
tracker), or sit in IRC and look at the incredibly brilliant 
conversations that happen to find solutions to many of the problems that 
are being reported.


Just to give another point, we are averaging more than 5 new reports PER 
DAY. Our QA team is a group of volunteers no more than 7 or 8 strong. 
Each of these bugs has to go through a long process just to verify, 
ensure that it's not a duplicate, communicate with the user who reported 
it, and then priortize it. That's JUST getting the bug confirmed, then 
it gets put into the stack where a very small group of dedicated 
developers tackle them, one by one. A single bug can take a week + to 
tackle (that's 40+ hours). Let's say the average bug takes 10 hours (a 
massive understatement), that's 50,000 hours worth of work to tackle the 
5,000 or so confirmed bugs.


Seeing these off hand remarks about how we should develop the product is 
disheartening. I wish that more people would take a class at their local 
community college, or take a free online course, and start to put their 
thoughts to work on our code.


Regards,
Joel

On 10/17/2012 10:23 PM, Jay Lozier wrote:

On 10/18/2012 01:08 AM, Joel Madero wrote:

On 10/17/2012 06:29 PM, anne-ology wrote:

... Thanks  :-)
   maybe now more will realize what we're saying ;-)


This is simply unrealistic. For anyone who has any experience with 
programming this would be known. No offense but with a ratio of 
100,000:1 or more users to developers, the idea that we would just 
squash all bugs and stop releasing new versions isn't realistic at 
all and thus why developers wouldn't respond to this recommendation. 
If you want to help I suggest taking some C++ classes and getting 
involved with the code. Most of us are volunteers who do this with 
our spare time, I hope you all keep that in mind



Regards,
Joel
Another problem for all programs in wide release is wide hardware 
variability in the Windows and Linux worlds especially when compared 
to Macs. There could be a very odd hardware/driver interaction that 
was never discovered in alpha, beta, or release candidate previews 
with specific hardware combinations.




On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:07 AM, Pertti Rönnberg  
wrote:


BRAVO Anne-Ology!!
Exactly that message - only in other words -- I have repeatedly 
tried to

tell to the LibO-experts (devs) since January:
they must take a brake in developing and take a certain version (e.g.
3.4.xx) and make every module of the suite - Base included - 
absolutely
free of bugs and inconsistencies both in programming and the 
instructions

and especially the LibO-Help.
Every feature shall have a clear explanation and a detailed guiding 
how-to

in the LibO-Help -- easily understood by any average non-expert user.

Obviously I've been crying in vain because I have not noticed any
(re)actions -- the developing of new versions is continuing with 
the result

of an increasing activity on this list.

I have LibO3.4.6 installed (Win7) but avoid using it (Calc, Base) 
because

I have better to do than struggle with problems.
I would like to know which LibO version for the time being can be
considered as the most reliable and productive -- especially 
regarding Base.
It would also be interesting to see an (valid) evaluation of that 
reliable
usability on a scale 1-10 for each of the the different modules of 
versions

3.4.xx, 3.5.xx.x, 3.6.xx.x
Pertti Rönnberg




On 16.10.2012 18:15, anne-ology wrote:

 This is the reason I have no intention of updating from 
3.4 until

ALL these bugs are worked out -
  then I'll update to 3.5; yes, I'll always be behind 
BUT I

don't
have the hassles of these bugs  ;-)



On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 9:22 AM, teatimest  
wrote:


I've been using v3.4 of LibreOffice. I updated to v3.6.2.2 and now 
the



contents of documents are not indexed

Re: [libreoffice-users] ... not working ...

[Joel Madero]

On 10/17/2012 06:29 PM, anne-ology wrote:

... Thanks  :-)
   maybe now more will realize what we're saying   ;-)


This is simply unrealistic. For anyone who has any experience with 
programming this would be known. No offense but with a ratio of 
100,000:1 or more users to developers, the idea that we would just 
squash all bugs and stop releasing new versions isn't realistic at all 
and thus why developers wouldn't respond to this recommendation. If you 
want to help I suggest taking some C++ classes and getting involved with 
the code. Most of us are volunteers who do this with our spare time, I 
hope you all keep that in mind



Regards,
Joel




On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 2:07 AM, Pertti Rönnberg  wrote:

BRAVO Anne-Ology!!

Exactly that message - only in other words -- I have repeatedly tried to
tell to the LibO-experts (devs) since January:
they must take a brake in developing and take a certain version (e.g.
3.4.xx) and make every module of the suite - Base included - absolutely
free of bugs and inconsistencies both in programming and the instructions
and especially the LibO-Help.
Every feature shall have a clear explanation and a detailed guiding how-to
in the LibO-Help -- easily understood by any average non-expert user.

Obviously I've been crying in vain because I have not noticed any
(re)actions -- the developing of new versions is continuing with the result
of an increasing activity on this list.

I have LibO3.4.6 installed (Win7) but avoid using it (Calc, Base) because
I have better to do than struggle with problems.
I would like to know which LibO version for the time being can be
considered as the most reliable and productive -- especially regarding Base.
It would also be interesting to see an (valid) evaluation of that reliable
usability on a scale 1-10 for each of the the different modules of versions
3.4.xx, 3.5.xx.x, 3.6.xx.x
Pertti Rönnberg




On 16.10.2012 18:15, anne-ology wrote:


 This is the reason I have no intention of updating from 3.4 until
ALL these bugs are worked out -
  then I'll update to 3.5; yes, I'll always be behind BUT I
don't
have the hassles of these bugs  ;-)



On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 9:22 AM, teatimest  wrote:

I've been using v3.4 of LibreOffice. I updated to v3.6.2.2 and now the


contents of documents are not indexed for search.

I'm using 64-bit Windows 7. The extension odt is checked for the indexing
option. I also checked the "Index Properties and File Contents" in the
Indexing Option in Windows.

When I search, doc files and ppt files appears in the result but not odt
and
odp.

Is it just me or is this known bug? The same thing happened when I
updated
to v3.5 so I went back to v3.4 for the searchability. Is there any
workaround?

Tea




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Survey about newcomer experience for LibreOffice project contributors

[Joel Madero]

Official membership is for contributors, there is a process of commitment,
verification, etc... to become one. To become one the first step is to
become a contributor (meaning developer, marketing team, etc...)


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On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Orlando Figueiredo wrote:

> What's an official member? How to become one? What are the advantages for
> the member and for the community?
> Thx
> O.
>
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> Em 17-10-2012 17:23, Joel Madero escreveu:
>
>  On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Tom Davies 
>> wrote:
>>
>>  Hi :)
>>> Hmmm, i still haven't looked but would be very disappointed if it really
>>> is only official members.  However fast the application membership
>>> process
>>> is it's unlikely to ever meet demand.  I'm hoping for a bit of a
>>> "snowball
>>> effect" = as more people become members it becomes faster to process the
>>> applications.
>>>
>>> I'm not an official member either and even amongst those that contribute
>>> a
>>> lot only a tiny percentage are officially members.  It seems likely that
>>> i
>>> might even be thrown off the lists soon due to a few disagreements i am
>>> currently having with the BoD.  I'm often in that position so it's
>>> unlikely
>>> i would ever be allowed to be a member!  On the other hand some in the
>>> BoD
>>> applaud me :)  [shrugs]
>>> Regards from
>>> Tom :)
>>>
>>>  I don't know much about their process. I know I applied and am waiting
>> for
>> feedback. I know that to be a member there are a few requests from TDF.
>> They want commitment and I think that's the biggest thing. I've only been
>> a
>> contributor for about 4 months but in that time I've become really
>> involved
>> so we'll see. I agree, the survey shouldn't be just for members, that
>> being
>> said, wording should change to not confuse people if that's the case .
>>
>> Regards,
>> Joel
>>
>>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: List of Fonts in Use in a Document

[Joel Madero]

This is a feature request and probably a useful one. At this point our list
of bugs (not enhancements) is long enough that getting to these kinds of
requests is tough with such a small group of developers :( We are really
trying to grow our developer base so that we can start tackling some of
these cool and useful enhancement requests. I know there is something about
fonts being embedded in the future, not sure what kind of progress that's
seen.


Regards,
Joel

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Steve Edmonds
wrote:

>
> On 2012-10-18 06:17, CVAlkan wrote:
>
>> Thanks for all the comments. I suspect the approach of simply installing
>> all
>> of the fonts from my Windows installation makes the most sense. The
>> problem
>> with using the pdf (I didn't realize you could see a list of fonts in use,
>> so thanks for pointing that out), is that when I create the pdf, it ends
>> up
>> listing the substitute font and not the one I needed to load.
>>
>> I notice that someone else already requested that, in a future release,
>> Libre might pop up a message that it was going to substitute a font -
>> listing both what it was asked to use, and what it was going to
>> substitute;
>> that would, I think, be quite useful in situations where a document is
>> travelling around among various machines and operating systems.
>>
>> Again, thanks...
>>
>>  Something I used to use would prompt on missing fonts, may have been
> pagemaker, it was very useful.
> steve
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Survey about newcomer experience for LibreOffice project contributors

[Joel Madero]

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Tom Davies  wrote:

> Hi :)
> Hmmm, i still haven't looked but would be very disappointed if it really
> is only official members.  However fast the application membership process
> is it's unlikely to ever meet demand.  I'm hoping for a bit of a "snowball
> effect" = as more people become members it becomes faster to process the
> applications.
>
> I'm not an official member either and even amongst those that contribute a
> lot only a tiny percentage are officially members.  It seems likely that i
> might even be thrown off the lists soon due to a few disagreements i am
> currently having with the BoD.  I'm often in that position so it's unlikely
> i would ever be allowed to be a member!  On the other hand some in the BoD
> applaud me :)  [shrugs]
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>

I don't know much about their process. I know I applied and am waiting for
feedback. I know that to be a member there are a few requests from TDF.
They want commitment and I think that's the biggest thing. I've only been a
contributor for about 4 months but in that time I've become really involved
so we'll see. I agree, the survey shouldn't be just for members, that being
said, wording should change to not confuse people if that's the case .

Regards,
Joel

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Survey about newcomer experience for LibreOffice project contributors

[Joel Madero]

Just to clarify, is this only for official members? There is a difference
between the main community and official members of TDF. Most people are not
official members, there's a long process that has some requirements to it.
I started the survey and stopped when I cam across Question #5, I'm not an
official member of TDF.

Please clarify and we'll move forward. Thanks!

Regards,
Joel

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 3:34 AM, Tom Davies  wrote:

> Hi :)
> So, pretty much everyone in LO then! :)  Even people that worked in OOo
> for a decade and Star Office before that are likely to have been in LO for
> 2 years and a couple of weeks.  LO celebrated it's 2nd birthday just a
> couple of weeks ago.  So everyone is eligible :)
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
>
>
>
> >
> > From: kevouze 
> >To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> >Sent: Wednesday, 17 October 2012, 6:37
> >Subject: [libreoffice-users] Survey about newcomer experience for
> LibreOffice project contributors
> >
> >Hi,
> >I am currently  conducting a survey that looks at the influence of
> newcomer
> >experience on contributor behavior and performance in Free/Open Source
> >Software communities.
> >
> >If you have joined the LibreOffice community within the last 2 years, I
> >would like to invite you to complete the survey. I am interested in
> hearing
> >from people who are either technical or non-technical contributors, and
> who
> >have had either positive or negative newcomer experiences.
> >
> >The survey is available  HERE
> ><https://limesurvey.sim.vuw.ac.nz/index.php?sid=14153&lang=en>  .
> >It will be available until Monday, 29 October, 2012.
> >
> >The data you provide will help understand the experience of newcomers
> within
> >the LibreOffice community. It will also be used to refine the survey
> before
> >it is later administered to contributors from other FOSS projects.
> >
> >This survey is anonymous, and no information that would identify you is
> >being collected. The School of Information Management Human Ethics
> Committee
> >has approved this research project.
> >
> >If you know members of the LibreOffice community who you think would be
> >interested in completing it, please do not hesitate to let them know about
> >this research.
> >
> >I will post news about my progress with this research, and the results on
> my
> >blog: http://kevincarillo.org.
> >
> >Thanks.
> >
> >Kevin Carillo
> >PhD candidate
> >School of Information Management
> >Victoria University of Wellington, New Zealand
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [libreoffice-users] List of Fonts in Use in a Document

[Joel Madero]

Could the xml file be useful? Seems like a pain to analyze. Maybe a good
enhancement request on FDO :)

Regards,
Joel

On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 8:39 AM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P <
webmas...@krackedpress.com> wrote:

>
> There use to be a "text font" extension that might have done it, but I
> never used it.
>
> For my use, I just took all of the fonts I used on my Windows system and
> made sure they were on my Linux system.  Then I made sure all my fonts now
> on the Linux system was on the Windows one[s].
>
> I keep a "font folder" with all the fonts I use on both Linux and Windows.
>  That way I know that all my systems have the same font set available.  Of
> course, I have over 400 fonts installed and have access to over 14 GB of
> font files to choose from.
>
> For me, it was just easier to sync all my system to have the same set of
> fonts and not worry about not having a certain font not be on one system I
> am doing any editing on.
>
>
>
> On 10/15/2012 11:14 AM, CVAlkan wrote:
>
>> Hi:
>>
>> I'm using Writer on two different machines/Operating Systems and have
>> copied
>> the main fonts I use to both, but every now and then a situation arises
>> where LibreOffice makes a substitution for a font that I overlooked,
>> causing
>> subtle (usually, but not always) changes in the document layout.
>>
>> Is there some way to list all of the fonts (not styles, since I don't want
>> to wade through each to see what fonts they need) in use in a particular
>> document?
>>
>> Thanks for any advice...
>>
>>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [libreoffice-accessibility] bug 50926

[Joel Madero]

On 10/08/2012 04:11 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
I'm not sure how to forwards this to the devs list.

There has been some talk of getting accessibility bugs marked out to 
differentiate them from others and perhaps raise the priority on them to 
hopefully get them fixed faster.

Thanks to IBM's gift of their Lotus Symphony code to Apache AOO is going to 
have a major boost to it's accessibility and that is going to give AOO a 
significant advantage in corporate environments.  So, accessibility needs to be 
a priority (along with Base) for LO imo.
Regards from
Tom :)
Please send me an email with exactly what you're talking about so I can 
bring it up during our next QA conference call. Or, if you want to join 
the call, that would be helpful and you can explain what it is you're 
thinking. A decision like this should be done through QA channels. 
Because of the LibO conference happening in Berlin, our next QA call is 
two weeks from today (or that is the tentative plan). If you're 
interested in joining I'll make sure that you know the date/time of the 
call :)



Regards,
Joel





--- On Mon, 8/10/12, Peter Rayner  wrote:

From: Peter Rayner 
Subject: [libreoffice-accessibility] bug 50926
To: accessibil...@global.libreoffice.org
Date: Monday, 8 October, 2012, 1:55

A few of us are having a problem with interaction between libreoffice
writer and orca. I filed a bug at
https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=50926
in early June but there's no action shown against it. Did I file this
wrongly (my first freedesktop bug report) or is there anything else I
can do to help progress this?
thanks in advance
Peter





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Re: [libreoffice-users] attempting to find an answer and instead ...

[Joel Madero]

On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 2:09 PM, anne-ology  wrote:

>... merely receive this  :-(
>
>I don't believe I deserve to be ignored ... nor to be abused -
>therefore I think this list should be made aware of this
> person's behaviour -
>because if he's treating me in this manner, I'm sure others have
> received and/or will be receiving this same treatment?
>
>BTW - just what is a ping???
>


Again not appropriate and you'll find a hard time getting involved with ANY
open source project if you make clearly private messages public. I
apologize that you are struggling so much with getting a wiki account BUT
there are "generally accepted ways" of going about communicating and one of
those is not making private conversations public. Since you went ahead and
did so I'll keep it public so that you aren't spamming users with my
personal replies.

A ping is just a quick email (or IRC message, etc...) that says "hey, any
updates", some users even just say "ping" in IRC basically saying "hey, you
around?"


I hope you find the assistance you need from another user and or volunteer.


Regards,
Joel


>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 3:50 PM, Joel Madero  wrote:
>
> I'm sorry but this is completely inappropriate. An email directly to me
> > would have been much better. I've tried to figure out what the problem is
> > and as I have mentioned, I work full time and am getting ready for law
> > school, I also do about 10 other things for LibO so my time is
> stretched. I
> > honestly have no idea what the problem is, every other volunteer has had
> no
> > problem following the instructions. You specifically told you I couldn't
> > figure out what you were facing, a screenshot, or something, would have
> > been a helpful thing to give me. Furthermore, you could have sent me a
> ping
> > to ask if there was an update.
> >
> > A few of the things in the email that particulary were not written well.
> > "This Joel", you didn't say that I EXPLAINED that I am incredibly busy,
> > that I emailed the list as a joke or a ruse also isn't okay.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Joel
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 1:43 PM, anne-ology  wrote:
> >
> >>Back when I received this response [2nd below], I attempted to
> >> follow these steps -
> >>but found that #1 is impossible; there is no 'math' problem
> >> which is to be answered in order to log-in  [WHERE is this to be found?]
> >>Therefore, the log-in merely goes round and round, stating this
> >> error, yet never explaining HOW to correct this error  ;-(
> >>
> >>After trying - and with the same results - half a dozen times, I
> >> wrote this Joel back - [1st below]
> >>a few days later, he finally responded but ONLY to having
> >> received my e-mail, rather than responding to HOW to log-in.
> >>
> >>When I initially offered to help, I did so in good faith, yet now
> >> I'm thinking that either that initial letter and/or his response was
> some
> >> joke;
> >>I'm asking this list for their thoughts and possibly an
> >> explanation to this;
> >>   I happened to notice that some from this list, were listed
> >> on that log-in page  ;-)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: anne-ology 
> >> Date: Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 10:04 AM
> >> Subject: Re: Triaging
> >> To: Joel Madero 
> >>
> >>
> >>I've been attempting to sign in -
> >>   clicking on the URL in #1 below only to uncover various
> >> problems:
> >>   the latest and most consistent is probably due to not
> >> answering some math question -
> >>  I've clicked on each link on this page yet have not
> >> located the problem nor the blank to fill in???
> >>
> >>I don't understand.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Joel Madero  >wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi! First thanks for responding to our call for volunteers, we really
> >>> appreciate the help :)
> >>>
> >>> I was hoping that you could start by doing two things:
> >>>
> >>> 1. Go here,
> >>>
> https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/QA/QA_Team#QA_Team_volunteers_in_alphabetic_order
> ,
> >>> and add yo

Re: [libreoffice-users] documentation for LO base

[Joel Madero]

I'm only catching bits and pieces of this conversation but if someone is
interested in doing documentation on base I'd recommend joining the
documentation mailing list. I'm sure they could use some help :)


Regards,
Joel

On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 9:49 AM, Jay Lozier  wrote:

> On 10/04/2012 11:04 AM, Mark Stanton wrote:
> >> Question:  How many people do you know use Base, or have tried to use
> >> Base?
> > Whilst there is some quite valid criticism of Base, I don't think
> answering
> > this question says as much about Base as it does about the general usage
> > of databases.  They are less familiar than word processors, spreadsheets
> or
> > drawing packages.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> >
> I use databases at work, primarily MS SQL Server. My observation is to
> be good at using databases (Base included) takes more time and effort up
> front than most realize. Most people have a very rudimentary
> understanding, if any, of databases. Often, they think of and use
> spreadsheets as databases, which only works at a very rudimentary and
> simple level (table of contact information for mailing list generation).
> Any marginally more sophisticated use and spreadsheets fail as databases.
>
> Database design is less obvious to most. I think most people do not
> understand that databases are a type of model of the real world. The
> accuracy of the model for the user's needs is what is important and this
> not always easy to determine or model.
>
> Beyond the conceptual problems with databases, they use a querying
> language. Most (all?) relational databases like Base use a variant of
> SQL. So to move beyond the wizards and have more control and
> understanding one eventually needs to learn some SQL, another level
> learning with more time and effort.
>
> Word processors, spreadsheets, presentation packages, drawing packages,
> etc. conceptually tend to follow how one would do the task manually.
> Fundamentally, writing a document in Write at its most basic level is a
> much nicer way of typing it than on typewriter. Because the program can
> do more than just display the text, such spell check, auto format, auto
> number lists, etc., the program adds considerable value beyond simply
> typing. The early word processing programs had one feature that
> typewriter could never do; save the document for later editing without
> have to retype it in part or in entirety.
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Import XML files?

[Joel Madero]

Have you tried with a recent release of LibO? 3.4.6 is pretty old

On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 11:54 AM, Mark Stanton  wrote:

> I've got an XML file (I've generated myself, programmatically).
>
> I thought it ought to be easy to import it in LO (3.4.6), somehow.  I
> thougth Calc would be a good bet, but it just gives me "General I/O
> error".  Base does the same.
>
> The website
> (help.libreoffice.org/Common/About_Import_and_Export_Filters)
> suggests it ought to be doable but gives no details whatsoever.
>
> Anyone got any pointers I could use?
>
> Regars
> Mark Stanton
>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] PROPER function in Calc

[Joel Madero]

Already a bug, don't worry about reporting

https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53146

On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 8:19 AM, Joel Madero  wrote:

> That would be a bug, and I've confirmed it. Might already be on bugzilla.
>
> bugs.freedesktop.org
>
> If it's not there, go ahead and report it, definitely a relatively easy
> thing to fix.
>
> Regards,
> Joel
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 8:16 AM, John Clegg  wrote:
>
>> I have just discovered that applying the PROPER function to st george's in
>> Calc gives St George'S
>>
>> Now would that be considered to be a bug, or just a rather annoying
>> feature??
>>
>> LO3.6.1 on Windows 7 and 3.5.4.2 on Ubuntu 12.04
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Re: [libreoffice-users] PROPER function in Calc

[Joel Madero]

That would be a bug, and I've confirmed it. Might already be on bugzilla.

bugs.freedesktop.org

If it's not there, go ahead and report it, definitely a relatively easy
thing to fix.

Regards,
Joel

On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 8:16 AM, John Clegg  wrote:

> I have just discovered that applying the PROPER function to st george's in
> Calc gives St George'S
>
> Now would that be considered to be a bug, or just a rather annoying
> feature??
>
> LO3.6.1 on Windows 7 and 3.5.4.2 on Ubuntu 12.04
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