RE: Re: Proposal: Kannel Wiki
I totally agree with Alejandro, But sometimes as my case, im running kannel as the core platform for all my companys operations and we usually dont have the time to search through years of mailings. So our best shot is to ask at once, so for me wiki would be very helpful because is easier to search, and if its not there, then I can ask the list. For people like me, where time its really money, would it better yet to have a paid 24/7 online support (chat, vip mailing list, etc) Think about it. _ From: Alejandro Guerrieri [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sábado, 08 de Marzo de 2008 10:07 p.m. To: Juan Nin Cc: users@kannel.org Subject: Re: Re: Proposal: Kannel Wiki That was my point, yes. One of the most commonly seen questions being made on the mailing list is how to send a wap-push using kannel. Juan has put together a very thorough how-to using kannel's PPG. I've made a PHP function to encode a wap-push into a binary message and send it using kannel (without ppg). Many others has put similar pieces of code using Java and other languages. I think I've sent a link to the my email on gmane about 10 times. Similar with Juan's code. Both articles are easily found by googling a little bit, yet many people is lazy enough to ask before finding by themselves. IRC won't be any good with this particular problem. Even if being recorded, the question wouldn't be asked, nor answered, at once. That'd make very difficult to google it. Anyway, it doesn't work with the mailing list, why would it work with the IRC log? Regards, Alejandro On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 10:02 PM, Juan Nin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I understand Alejandro's point of view, and agree with him. He's not saying that IRC is no good. What he's saying is that IRC is not the solution to the problem I mentioned, since there's no record of that... It's a solution for that right moment, and for someone who's there. But won't allow a new guy looking for some solution to search for an already discussed one and see it. On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 8:33 PM, Michael Sole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alejandro, I disagree I think IRC is a great solution so long as people are there to help. As for answering the same question over and over again. Yeah that can be tiresome but entirely important in an open source community. The fact is that not everyone searches the same way and sometimes what is obvious to one is not so obvious to another. Michael From: Alejandro Guerrieri [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 2:53 PM To: users@kannel.org Subject: UNS: Re: Proposal: Kannel Wiki IRC's not good for helping moderate-size communities imho. * It requires both parts to be available at the same time to be able to help. * Conversations are rarely stored and searchable. That's the whole point of a wiki: to have things in written once and forever. * It doesn't scale well when there's a lot of people talking. It has even more problems than a mailing list. People ask the wap-push question even with tons of threads archived by gmane, mail-archive and similar services. How many times are you willing to answer it? ;) I think the wiki could be a good idea, but extending the users guide or a faq addressing some of the most commonly asked questions would do the trick also. Regards, Alejandro On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 2:11 PM, Khary Sharpe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An even better idea is people should hangout in irc://irc.freenode.net/kannel , that way help can be provided near realtime. Just in case we have some irc newbies read here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRC k# Khary Sharpe wrote: Maybe I missed something ..but doesn't http://wiki.kannel.org already exist? There is nothing much there at the moment, especially where repeat questions are concerned but we can change that. All those who are interested can simply register and start adding pages. (hopefully the approval is automated) k# Juan Nin wrote: here u got: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.mobile.kannel.user/11009 you may have problems with linefeeds by copying the code from the webpage, at the end of January or beggining of February someone sent my code as an attached PHP file Regards, Juan On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 10:53 AM, Clarence Carino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i am one of the guys asking for a wap push how-to. yeah. having a wiki would greatly help. and some examples too because i'm searching users@kannel.org through nabble and all i can see it go to this and go to that, use this, use that without explaining. and before i post my help, i already searched 250++ of this mailing list. i did ran kannel by reading the kannel docs and some help from mail-archive.com. but its really confusing on wap push.(i'll stop here coz its off topic) some were just
Proposal: Kannel Wiki
Its quite important also to consider prior to populating the current http://wiki.kannel.org based on DokuWiki, if we should migrate to http://www.mediawiki.org that I personally find most suitable for kannel. I do find www.voip-info.org as an example Wiki well formated and easy to find info. Any other suggestions for a Wiki base?
Re[3]: Proposal: Kannel Wiki
I read all the time only congratulations for the good wiki idea .. :) how to proceed further? i have searched hundreds of pages in my early days in a view to automate the modem initialization, modem reset ... best modem baudrates, USB drivers ...etc small but not strictly kannel related issues. Same for VPN connectivity to telco SMSC ... Same for the DLR issue, most of the common users cannot make the difference between the internal kannel DLR storage and the DLR status of a sent message and the usual accuses come right away - the DLR mechanism doesnt work ... help me to get the DLR status. Why the hell DLR db table is empty, even there is no errors in the kannel log ... :) The manual is written by the developers, people with clear understanding of the kannel architecture .. This is the reason, by my understanding, the manual to be good for average experienced kannel users, not for beginners. the voip wiki has a lot of examples, from point 0 to the end , and the examples are per different scenarios. Well, we could define the usual scenarios. And to start writing the examples. That means registration, write access privileges ... :) We could go on separate host different than wiki.kannel.org Or, to contribute to wiki.kannel.org .. The question which way we will go ? I really dont know. Hope someone else does. cheers -Original Message- From: users@kannel.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 2008 ?. To: seik Subject:Proposal: Kannel Wiki I totally agree with Alejandro, But sometimes as my case, im running kannel as the core platform for all my company’s operations and we usually don’t have the time to search through years of mailings. So our best shot is to ask at once, so for me wiki would be very helpful because is easier to search, and if its not there, then I can ask the list. For people like me, where time its really money, would it better yet to have a paid 24/7 online support (chat, vip mailing list, etc) Think about it. From: Alejandro Guerrieri [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sбbado, 08 de Marzo de 2008 10:07 p.m. To: Juan Nin Cc: users@kannel.org Subject: Re: Re: Proposal: Kannel Wiki That was my point, yes. One of the most commonly seen questions being made on the mailing list is how to send a wap-push using kannel. Juan has put together a very thorough how-to using kannel's PPG. I've made a PHP function to encode a wap-push into a binary message and send it using kannel (without ppg). Many others has put similar pieces of code using Java and other languages. I think I've sent a link to the my email on gmane about 10 times. Similar with Juan's code. Both articles are easily found by googling a little bit, yet many people is lazy enough to ask before finding by themselves. IRC won't be any good with this particular problem. Even if being recorded, the question wouldn't be asked, nor answered, at once. That'd make very difficult to google it. Anyway, it doesn't work with the mailing list, why would it work with the IRC log? Regards, Alejandro On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 10:02 PM, Juan Nin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I understand Alejandro's point of view, and agree with him. He's not saying that IRC is no good. What he's saying is that IRC is not the solution to the problem I mentioned, since there's no record of that... It's a solution for that right moment, and for someone who's there. But won't allow a new guy looking for some solution to search for an already discussed one and see it. On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 8:33 PM, Michael Sole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alejandro, I disagree I think IRC is a great solution so long as people are there to help. As for answering the same question over and over again. Yeah that can be tiresome but entirely important in an open source community. The fact is that not everyone searches the same way and sometimes what is obvious to one is not so obvious to another. Michael From: Alejandro Guerrieri [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 2:53 PM To: users@kannel.org Subject: UNS: Re: Proposal: Kannel Wiki IRC's not good for helping moderate-size communities imho. * It requires both parts to be available at the same time to be able to help. * Conversations are rarely stored and searchable. That's the whole point of a wiki: to have things in written once and forever. * It doesn't scale well when there's a lot of people talking. It has even more problems than a mailing list. People ask the wap-push question even with tons of threads archived by gmane, mail-archive and similar services. How many times are you willing to answer it? I think the wiki could be a good idea, but extending the users guide or a faq addressing some of the most commonly asked questions would do the trick also. Regards, Alejandro On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 2:11 PM, Khary Sharpe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An even better
Re: Proposal: Kannel Wiki
yep, I agree, mediawiki is much better On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 1:02 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its quite important also to consider prior to populating the current http://wiki.kannel.org based on DokuWiki, if we should migrate to http://www.mediawiki.org that I personally find most suitable for kannel. I do find www.voip-info.org as an example Wiki well formated and easy to find info. Any other suggestions for a Wiki base?
Re: Proposal: Kannel Wiki
Hello All, I found the best way for sending WAP pushs is through the SMSBox and not the WAP box, You should convert the XML wap push document to WBXML (Wireless Binary XML), use the HTTP interface to send SMS and set the udh to 0B0504C34FC0020003040101 a great tutorial is included in this link http://developer.sonyericsson.com/site/global/techsupport/tipstrickscode/symbian/p_providebookmarkoversmsp800.jsp I also developed some Java classes for converting WAP pus SI and SL parameters to the binary form, to be ready to be sent as binary message from SMS box. Regards, Remon Clarence Carino wrote: i am one of the guys asking for a wap push how-to. yeah. having a wiki would greatly help. and some examples too because i'm searching users@kannel.org through nabble and all i can see it go to this and go to that, use this, use that without explaining. and before i post my help, i already searched 250++ of this mailing list. i did ran kannel by reading the kannel docs and some help from mail-archive.com. but its really confusing on wap push.(i'll stop here coz its off topic) some were just replying as if the user will understand immediately.. but how about some who are just very newbie on the mobile industry? anyway. i hope this wiki will be full detailed if it will push through thanks On Sat, Mar 8, 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Good idea. Just look at the success and plethora of info on http://www.voip-info.org/ - a wiki for ALL voip. /g On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 12:29 AM, Juan Nin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are many things that are asked and asked and asked all the time on the list, and it's quite annoying... I think the bigger example is how to send a Wap Push Wouldn't it be a good idea, to setup a Kannel Wiki, where people can post articles and how to do this, and how to do that, example confs, etc? This way people can first check on the Wiki and find lots of useful info there... and if someone does not check the Wiki and asks again, it will just be replying Check it at http://wiki.kannel.org; What do you think? Juan
Re: Proposal: Kannel Wiki
I had proposed something like this a long time, even wanted to host the same. However didn't get much of feedback on it. It would surely be nice to have it. If everyone is interested and is ready I would like to take the oppurtunity and setup the same. Please let me know if that is ok. Regards, Anand -Original Message- From: seikath [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 09:34:30 To:Kannel Users users@kannel.org Subject: Re: Proposal: Kannel Wiki good idea and the time is precious for most of us .. -Original Message- From: Kannel Users [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 2008 ?. To: seikath Subject:Proposal: Kannel Wiki There are many things that are asked and asked and asked all the time on the list, and it's quite annoying... I think the bigger example is how to send a Wap Push Wouldn't it be a good idea, to setup a Kannel Wiki, where people can post articles and how to do this, and how to do that, example confs, etc? This way people can first check on the Wiki and find lots of useful info there... and if someone does not check the Wiki and asks again, it will just be replying Check it at http://wiki.kannel.org; What do you think? Juan
RE: Re: Proposal: Kannel Wiki
I think this is an excellent idea! From: Atul Chaudhari [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 1:50 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Kannel Users Subject: UNS: Re: Proposal: Kannel Wiki I agree. It indeed is a good idea. On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 1:48 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good idea. Just look at the success and plethora of info on http://www.voip-info.org/ - a wiki for ALL voip. /g On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 12:29 AM, Juan Nin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are many things that are asked and asked and asked all the time on the list, and it's quite annoying... I think the bigger example is how to send a Wap Push Wouldn't it be a good idea, to setup a Kannel Wiki, where people can post articles and how to do this, and how to do that, example confs, etc? This way people can first check on the Wiki and find lots of useful info there... and if someone does not check the Wiki and asks again, it will just be replying Check it at http://wiki.kannel.org; What do you think? Juan -- Thanks and Best regards Atul Chaudhari
Re: Proposal: Kannel Wiki
i am one of the guys asking for a wap push how-to. yeah. having a wiki would greatly help. and some examples too because i'm searching users@kannel.org through nabble and all i can see it go to this and go to that, use this, use that without explaining. and before i post my help, i already searched 250++ of this mailing list. i did ran kannel by reading the kannel docs and some help from mail-archive.com. but its really confusing on wap push.(i'll stop here coz its off topic) some were just replying as if the user will understand immediately.. but how about some who are just very newbie on the mobile industry? anyway. i hope this wiki will be full detailed if it will push through thanks On Sat, Mar 8, 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Good idea. Just look at the success and plethora of info on http://www.voip-info.org/ - a wiki for ALL voip. /g On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 12:29 AM, Juan Nin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are many things that are asked and asked and asked all the time on the list, and it's quite annoying... I think the bigger example is how to send a Wap Push Wouldn't it be a good idea, to setup a Kannel Wiki, where people can post articles and how to do this, and how to do that, example confs, etc? This way people can first check on the Wiki and find lots of useful info there... and if someone does not check the Wiki and asks again, it will just be replying Check it at http://wiki.kannel.org; What do you think? Juan --
Re: Proposal: Kannel Wiki
here u got: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.mobile.kannel.user/11009 you may have problems with linefeeds by copying the code from the webpage, at the end of January or beggining of February someone sent my code as an attached PHP file Regards, Juan On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 10:53 AM, Clarence Carino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i am one of the guys asking for a wap push how-to. yeah. having a wiki would greatly help. and some examples too because i'm searching users@kannel.org through nabble and all i can see it go to this and go to that, use this, use that without explaining. and before i post my help, i already searched 250++ of this mailing list. i did ran kannel by reading the kannel docs and some help from mail-archive.com. but its really confusing on wap push.(i'll stop here coz its off topic) some were just replying as if the user will understand immediately.. but how about some who are just very newbie on the mobile industry? anyway. i hope this wiki will be full detailed if it will push through thanks On Sat, Mar 8, 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Good idea. Just look at the success and plethora of info on http://www.voip-info.org/ - a wiki for ALL voip. /g On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 12:29 AM, Juan Nin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are many things that are asked and asked and asked all the time on the list, and it's quite annoying... I think the bigger example is how to send a Wap Push Wouldn't it be a good idea, to setup a Kannel Wiki, where people can post articles and how to do this, and how to do that, example confs, etc? This way people can first check on the Wiki and find lots of useful info there... and if someone does not check the Wiki and asks again, it will just be replying Check it at http://wiki.kannel.org; What do you think? Juan --
Re: Proposal: Kannel Wiki
Maybe I missed something ..but doesn't http://wiki.kannel.org already exist? There is nothing much there at the moment, especially where repeat questions are concerned but we can change that. All those who are interested can simply register and start adding pages. (hopefully the approval is automated) k# Juan Nin wrote: here u got: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.mobile.kannel.user/11009 you may have problems with linefeeds by copying the code from the webpage, at the end of January or beggining of February someone sent my code as an attached PHP file Regards, Juan On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 10:53 AM, Clarence Carino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i am one of the guys asking for a wap push how-to. yeah. having a wiki would greatly help. and some examples too because i'm searching users@kannel.org through nabble and all i can see it go to this and go to that, use this, use that without explaining. and before i post my help, i already searched 250++ of this mailing list. i did ran kannel by reading the kannel docs and some help from mail-archive.com. but its really confusing on wap push.(i'll stop here coz its off topic) some were just replying as if the user will understand immediately.. but how about some who are just very newbie on the mobile industry? anyway. i hope this wiki will be full detailed if it will push through thanks On Sat, Mar 8, 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Good idea. Just look at the success and plethora of info on http://www.voip-info.org/ - a wiki for ALL voip. /g On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 12:29 AM, Juan Nin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are many things that are asked and asked and asked all the time on the list, and it's quite annoying... I think the bigger example is how to send a Wap Push Wouldn't it be a good idea, to setup a Kannel Wiki, where people can post articles and how to do this, and how to do that, example confs, etc? This way people can first check on the Wiki and find lots of useful info there... and if someone does not check the Wiki and asks again, it will just be replying Check it at http://wiki.kannel.org; What do you think? Juan --
Re: Proposal: Kannel Wiki
An even better idea is people should hangout in irc://irc.freenode.net/kannel , that way help can be provided near realtime. Just in case we have some irc newbies read here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRC k# Khary Sharpe wrote: Maybe I missed something ..but doesn't http://wiki.kannel.org already exist? There is nothing much there at the moment, especially where repeat questions are concerned but we can change that. All those who are interested can simply register and start adding pages. (hopefully the approval is automated) k# Juan Nin wrote: here u got: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.mobile.kannel.user/11009 you may have problems with linefeeds by copying the code from the webpage, at the end of January or beggining of February someone sent my code as an attached PHP file Regards, Juan On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 10:53 AM, Clarence Carino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i am one of the guys asking for a wap push how-to. yeah. having a wiki would greatly help. and some examples too because i'm searching users@kannel.org through nabble and all i can see it go to this and go to that, use this, use that without explaining. and before i post my help, i already searched 250++ of this mailing list. i did ran kannel by reading the kannel docs and some help from mail-archive.com. but its really confusing on wap push.(i'll stop here coz its off topic) some were just replying as if the user will understand immediately.. but how about some who are just very newbie on the mobile industry? anyway. i hope this wiki will be full detailed if it will push through thanks On Sat, Mar 8, 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Good idea. Just look at the success and plethora of info on http://www.voip-info.org/ - a wiki for ALL voip. /g On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 12:29 AM, Juan Nin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are many things that are asked and asked and asked all the time on the list, and it's quite annoying... I think the bigger example is how to send a Wap Push Wouldn't it be a good idea, to setup a Kannel Wiki, where people can post articles and how to do this, and how to do that, example confs, etc? This way people can first check on the Wiki and find lots of useful info there... and if someone does not check the Wiki and asks again, it will just be replying Check it at http://wiki.kannel.org; What do you think? Juan --
Re: Proposal: Kannel Wiki
IRC's not good for helping moderate-size communities imho. * It requires both parts to be available at the same time to be able to help. * Conversations are rarely stored and searchable. That's the whole point of a wiki: to have things in written once and forever. * It doesn't scale well when there's a lot of people talking. It has even more problems than a mailing list. People ask the wap-push question even with tons of threads archived by gmane, mail-archive and similar services. How many times are you willing to answer it? ;) I think the wiki could be a good idea, but extending the users guide or a faq addressing some of the most commonly asked questions would do the trick also. Regards, Alejandro On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 2:11 PM, Khary Sharpe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An even better idea is people should hangout in irc://irc.freenode.net/kannel , that way help can be provided near realtime. Just in case we have some irc newbies read here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRC k# Khary Sharpe wrote: Maybe I missed something ..but doesn't http://wiki.kannel.org already exist? There is nothing much there at the moment, especially where repeat questions are concerned but we can change that. All those who are interested can simply register and start adding pages. (hopefully the approval is automated) k# Juan Nin wrote: here u got: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.mobile.kannel.user/11009 you may have problems with linefeeds by copying the code from the webpage, at the end of January or beggining of February someone sent my code as an attached PHP file Regards, Juan On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 10:53 AM, Clarence Carino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i am one of the guys asking for a wap push how-to. yeah. having a wiki would greatly help. and some examples too because i'm searching users@kannel.org through nabble and all i can see it go to this and go to that, use this, use that without explaining. and before i post my help, i already searched 250++ of this mailing list. i did ran kannel by reading the kannel docs and some help from mail-archive.com. but its really confusing on wap push.(i'll stop here coz its off topic) some were just replying as if the user will understand immediately.. but how about some who are just very newbie on the mobile industry? anyway. i hope this wiki will be full detailed if it will push through thanks On Sat, Mar 8, 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Good idea. Just look at the success and plethora of info on http://www.voip-info.org/ - a wiki for ALL voip. /g On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 12:29 AM, Juan Nin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are many things that are asked and asked and asked all the time on the list, and it's quite annoying... I think the bigger example is how to send a Wap Push Wouldn't it be a good idea, to setup a Kannel Wiki, where people can post articles and how to do this, and how to do that, example confs, etc? This way people can first check on the Wiki and find lots of useful info there... and if someone does not check the Wiki and asks again, it will just be replying Check it at http://wiki.kannel.org; What do you think? Juan -- -- Alejandro Guerrieri Magicom http://www.magicom-bcn.net/ LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/aguerrieri
RE: Re: Proposal: Kannel Wiki
Alejandro, I disagree I think IRC is a great solution so long as people are there to help. As for answering the same question over and over again. Yeah that can be tiresome but entirely important in an open source community. The fact is that not everyone searches the same way and sometimes what is obvious to one is not so obvious to another. Michael From: Alejandro Guerrieri [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 2:53 PM To: users@kannel.org Subject: UNS: Re: Proposal: Kannel Wiki IRC's not good for helping moderate-size communities imho. * It requires both parts to be available at the same time to be able to help. * Conversations are rarely stored and searchable. That's the whole point of a wiki: to have things in written once and forever. * It doesn't scale well when there's a lot of people talking. It has even more problems than a mailing list. People ask the wap-push question even with tons of threads archived by gmane, mail-archive and similar services. How many times are you willing to answer it? ;) I think the wiki could be a good idea, but extending the users guide or a faq addressing some of the most commonly asked questions would do the trick also. Regards, Alejandro On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 2:11 PM, Khary Sharpe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An even better idea is people should hangout in irc://irc.freenode.net/kannel , that way help can be provided near realtime. Just in case we have some irc newbies read here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRC k# Khary Sharpe wrote: Maybe I missed something ..but doesn't http://wiki.kannel.org already exist? There is nothing much there at the moment, especially where repeat questions are concerned but we can change that. All those who are interested can simply register and start adding pages. (hopefully the approval is automated) k# Juan Nin wrote: here u got: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.mobile.kannel.user/11009 you may have problems with linefeeds by copying the code from the webpage, at the end of January or beggining of February someone sent my code as an attached PHP file Regards, Juan On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 10:53 AM, Clarence Carino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i am one of the guys asking for a wap push how-to. yeah. having a wiki would greatly help. and some examples too because i'm searching users@kannel.org through nabble and all i can see it go to this and go to that, use this, use that without explaining. and before i post my help, i already searched 250++ of this mailing list. i did ran kannel by reading the kannel docs and some help from mail-archive.com. but its really confusing on wap push.(i'll stop here coz its off topic) some were just replying as if the user will understand immediately.. but how about some who are just very newbie on the mobile industry? anyway. i hope this wiki will be full detailed if it will push through thanks On Sat, Mar 8, 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Good idea. Just look at the success and plethora of info on http://www.voip-info.org/ - a wiki for ALL voip. /g On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 12:29 AM, Juan Nin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are many things that are asked and asked and asked all the time on the list, and it's quite annoying... I think the bigger example is how to send a Wap Push Wouldn't it be a good idea, to setup a Kannel Wiki, where people can post articles and how to do this, and how to do that, example confs, etc? This way people can first check on the Wiki and find lots of useful info there... and if someone does not check the Wiki and asks again, it will just be replying Check it at http://wiki.kannel.org; What do you think? Juan -- -- Alejandro Guerrieri Magicom http://www.magicom-bcn.net/ LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/aguerrieri
Re: Re: Proposal: Kannel Wiki
I understand Alejandro's point of view, and agree with him. He's not saying that IRC is no good. What he's saying is that IRC is not the solution to the problem I mentioned, since there's no record of that... It's a solution for that right moment, and for someone who's there. But won't allow a new guy looking for some solution to search for an already discussed one and see it. On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 8:33 PM, Michael Sole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alejandro, I disagree I think IRC is a great solution so long as people are there to help. As for answering the same question over and over again. Yeah that can be tiresome but entirely important in an open source community. The fact is that not everyone searches the same way and sometimes what is obvious to one is not so obvious to another. Michael From: Alejandro Guerrieri [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 2:53 PM To: users@kannel.org Subject: UNS: Re: Proposal: Kannel Wiki IRC's not good for helping moderate-size communities imho. * It requires both parts to be available at the same time to be able to help. * Conversations are rarely stored and searchable. That's the whole point of a wiki: to have things in written once and forever. * It doesn't scale well when there's a lot of people talking. It has even more problems than a mailing list. People ask the wap-push question even with tons of threads archived by gmane, mail-archive and similar services. How many times are you willing to answer it? ;) I think the wiki could be a good idea, but extending the users guide or a faq addressing some of the most commonly asked questions would do the trick also. Regards, Alejandro On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 2:11 PM, Khary Sharpe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An even better idea is people should hangout in irc://irc.freenode.net/kannel , that way help can be provided near realtime. Just in case we have some irc newbies read here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRC k# Khary Sharpe wrote: Maybe I missed something ..but doesn't http://wiki.kannel.org already exist? There is nothing much there at the moment, especially where repeat questions are concerned but we can change that. All those who are interested can simply register and start adding pages. (hopefully the approval is automated) k# Juan Nin wrote: here u got: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.mobile.kannel.user/11009 you may have problems with linefeeds by copying the code from the webpage, at the end of January or beggining of February someone sent my code as an attached PHP file Regards, Juan On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 10:53 AM, Clarence Carino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i am one of the guys asking for a wap push how-to. yeah. having a wiki would greatly help. and some examples too because i'm searching users@kannel.org through nabble and all i can see it go to this and go to that, use this, use that without explaining. and before i post my help, i already searched 250++ of this mailing list. i did ran kannel by reading the kannel docs and some help from mail-archive.com. but its really confusing on wap push.(i'll stop here coz its off topic) some were just replying as if the user will understand immediately.. but how about some who are just very newbie on the mobile industry? anyway. i hope this wiki will be full detailed if it will push through thanks On Sat, Mar 8, 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Good idea. Just look at the success and plethora of info on http://www.voip-info.org/ - a wiki for ALL voip. /g On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 12:29 AM, Juan Nin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are many things that are asked and asked and asked all the time on the list, and it's quite annoying... I think the bigger example is how to send a Wap Push Wouldn't it be a good idea, to setup a Kannel Wiki, where people can post articles and how to do this, and how to do that, example confs, etc? This way people can first check on the Wiki and find lots of useful info there... and if someone does not check the Wiki and asks again, it will just be replying Check it at http://wiki.kannel.org; What do you think? Juan -- -- Alejandro Guerrieri Magicom http://www.magicom-bcn.net/ LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/aguerrieri
RE: Re: Re: Proposal: Kannel Wiki
Good point. I think we need all forms of support: Mailing list IRC WIKI Faq Documentation -Original Message- From: Juan Nin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 7:02 PM To: users@kannel.org Subject: UNS: Re: Re: Proposal: Kannel Wiki I understand Alejandro's point of view, and agree with him. He's not saying that IRC is no good. What he's saying is that IRC is not the solution to the problem I mentioned, since there's no record of that... It's a solution for that right moment, and for someone who's there. But won't allow a new guy looking for some solution to search for an already discussed one and see it. On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 8:33 PM, Michael Sole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alejandro, I disagree I think IRC is a great solution so long as people are there to help. As for answering the same question over and over again. Yeah that can be tiresome but entirely important in an open source community. The fact is that not everyone searches the same way and sometimes what is obvious to one is not so obvious to another. Michael From: Alejandro Guerrieri [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 2:53 PM To: users@kannel.org Subject: UNS: Re: Proposal: Kannel Wiki IRC's not good for helping moderate-size communities imho. * It requires both parts to be available at the same time to be able to help. * Conversations are rarely stored and searchable. That's the whole point of a wiki: to have things in written once and forever. * It doesn't scale well when there's a lot of people talking. It has even more problems than a mailing list. People ask the wap-push question even with tons of threads archived by gmane, mail-archive and similar services. How many times are you willing to answer it? ;) I think the wiki could be a good idea, but extending the users guide or a faq addressing some of the most commonly asked questions would do the trick also. Regards, Alejandro On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 2:11 PM, Khary Sharpe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An even better idea is people should hangout in irc://irc.freenode.net/kannel , that way help can be provided near realtime. Just in case we have some irc newbies read here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRC k# Khary Sharpe wrote: Maybe I missed something ..but doesn't http://wiki.kannel.org already exist? There is nothing much there at the moment, especially where repeat questions are concerned but we can change that. All those who are interested can simply register and start adding pages. (hopefully the approval is automated) k# Juan Nin wrote: here u got: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.mobile.kannel.user/11009 you may have problems with linefeeds by copying the code from the webpage, at the end of January or beggining of February someone sent my code as an attached PHP file Regards, Juan On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 10:53 AM, Clarence Carino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i am one of the guys asking for a wap push how-to. yeah. having a wiki would greatly help. and some examples too because i'm searching users@kannel.org through nabble and all i can see it go to this and go to that, use this, use that without explaining. and before i post my help, i already searched 250++ of this mailing list. i did ran kannel by reading the kannel docs and some help from mail-archive.com. but its really confusing on wap push.(i'll stop here coz its off topic) some were just replying as if the user will understand immediately.. but how about some who are just very newbie on the mobile industry? anyway. i hope this wiki will be full detailed if it will push through thanks On Sat, Mar 8, 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Good idea. Just look at the success and plethora of info on http://www.voip-info.org/ - a wiki for ALL voip. /g On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 12:29 AM, Juan Nin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are many things that are asked and asked and asked all the time on the list, and it's quite annoying... I think the bigger example is how to send a Wap Push Wouldn't it be a good idea, to setup a Kannel Wiki, where people can post articles and how to do this, and how to do that, example confs, etc? This way people can first check on the Wiki and find lots of useful info there... and if someone does not check the Wiki and asks again, it will just be replying Check it at http://wiki.kannel.org; What do you think? Juan -- -- Alejandro Guerrieri Magicom http://www.magicom-bcn.net/ LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/aguerrieri
Re: Re: Proposal: Kannel Wiki
Although I think that you can record the irc sessions, I believe that a better documentation and Wiki would be better. Oscar On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 12:02 AM, Juan Nin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I understand Alejandro's point of view, and agree with him. He's not saying that IRC is no good. What he's saying is that IRC is not the solution to the problem I mentioned, since there's no record of that... It's a solution for that right moment, and for someone who's there. But won't allow a new guy looking for some solution to search for an already discussed one and see it. On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 8:33 PM, Michael Sole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alejandro, I disagree I think IRC is a great solution so long as people are there to help. As for answering the same question over and over again. Yeah that can be tiresome but entirely important in an open source community. The fact is that not everyone searches the same way and sometimes what is obvious to one is not so obvious to another. Michael From: Alejandro Guerrieri [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 2:53 PM To: users@kannel.org Subject: UNS: Re: Proposal: Kannel Wiki IRC's not good for helping moderate-size communities imho. * It requires both parts to be available at the same time to be able to help. * Conversations are rarely stored and searchable. That's the whole point of a wiki: to have things in written once and forever. * It doesn't scale well when there's a lot of people talking. It has even more problems than a mailing list. People ask the wap-push question even with tons of threads archived by gmane, mail-archive and similar services. How many times are you willing to answer it? ;) I think the wiki could be a good idea, but extending the users guide or a faq addressing some of the most commonly asked questions would do the trick also. Regards, Alejandro On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 2:11 PM, Khary Sharpe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An even better idea is people should hangout in irc://irc.freenode.net/kannel , that way help can be provided near realtime. Just in case we have some irc newbies read here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRC k# Khary Sharpe wrote: Maybe I missed something ..but doesn't http://wiki.kannel.org already exist? There is nothing much there at the moment, especially where repeat questions are concerned but we can change that. All those who are interested can simply register and start adding pages. (hopefully the approval is automated) k# Juan Nin wrote: here u got: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.mobile.kannel.user/11009 you may have problems with linefeeds by copying the code from the webpage, at the end of January or beggining of February someone sent my code as an attached PHP file Regards, Juan On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 10:53 AM, Clarence Carino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i am one of the guys asking for a wap push how-to. yeah. having a wiki would greatly help. and some examples too because i'm searching users@kannel.org through nabble and all i can see it go to this and go to that, use this, use that without explaining. and before i post my help, i already searched 250++ of this mailing list. i did ran kannel by reading the kannel docs and some help from mail-archive.com. but its really confusing on wap push.(i'll stop here coz its off topic) some were just replying as if the user will understand immediately.. but how about some who are just very newbie on the mobile industry? anyway. i hope this wiki will be full detailed if it will push through thanks On Sat, Mar 8, 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Good idea. Just look at the success and plethora of info on http://www.voip-info.org/ - a wiki for ALL voip. /g On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 12:29 AM, Juan Nin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are many things that are asked and asked and asked all the time on the list, and it's quite annoying... I think the bigger example is how to send a Wap Push Wouldn't it be a good idea, to setup a Kannel Wiki, where people can post articles and how to do this, and how to do that, example confs, etc? This way people can first check on the Wiki and find lots of useful info there... and if someone does not check the Wiki and asks again, it will just be replying Check it at http://wiki.kannel.org
Re: Re: Proposal: Kannel Wiki
how bout wiki + irc? we can put logs on wiki? e.g. an irc session on how to install kannel. after the session has finished, they will make a small documentation inside that documentation is the mirc log. it doesnt have to be the whole log. maybe a summarization of that support. then they will attach the log into the wiki under e.g. example Installing Kannel-References. or there's always Gforge AS. or any collaboration software thanks On Sun, Mar 9, 2008, oscar cassetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Although I think that you can record the irc sessions, I believe that a better documentation and Wiki would be better. Oscar On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 12:02 AM, Juan Nin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I understand Alejandro's point of view, and agree with him. He's not saying that IRC is no good. What he's saying is that IRC is not the solution to the problem I mentioned, since there's no record of that... It's a solution for that right moment, and for someone who's there. But won't allow a new guy looking for some solution to search for an already discussed one and see it. On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 8:33 PM, Michael Sole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alejandro, I disagree I think IRC is a great solution so long as people are there to help. As for answering the same question over and over again. Yeah that can be tiresome but entirely important in an open source community. The fact is that not everyone searches the same way and sometimes what is obvious to one is not so obvious to another. Michael From: Alejandro Guerrieri [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 2:53 PM To: users@kannel.org Subject: UNS: Re: Proposal: Kannel Wiki IRC's not good for helping moderate-size communities imho. * It requires both parts to be available at the same time to be able to help. * Conversations are rarely stored and searchable. That's the whole point of a wiki: to have things in written once and forever. * It doesn't scale well when there's a lot of people talking. It has even more problems than a mailing list. People ask the wap-push question even with tons of threads archived by gmane, mail-archive and similar services. How many times are you willing to answer it? ;) I think the wiki could be a good idea, but extending the users guide or a faq addressing some of the most commonly asked questions would do the trick also. Regards, Alejandro On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 2:11 PM, Khary Sharpe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An even better idea is people should hangout in irc://irc.freenode.net/kannel , that way help can be provided near realtime. Just in case we have some irc newbies read here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRC k# Khary Sharpe wrote: Maybe I missed something ..but doesn't http://wiki.kannel.org already exist? There is nothing much there at the moment, especially where repeat questions are concerned but we can change that. All those who are interested can simply register and start adding pages. (hopefully the approval is automated) k# Juan Nin wrote: here u got: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.mobile.kannel.user/11009 you may have problems with linefeeds by copying the code from the webpage, at the end of January or beggining of February someone sent my code as an attached PHP file Regards, Juan On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 10:53 AM, Clarence Carino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i am one of the guys asking for a wap push how-to. yeah. having a wiki would greatly help. and some examples too because i'm searching users@kannel.org through nabble and all i can see it go to this and go to that, use this, use that without explaining. and before i post my help, i already searched 250++ of this mailing list. i did ran kannel by reading the kannel docs and some help from mail-archive.com. but its really confusing on wap push.(i'll stop here coz its off topic) some were just replying as if the user will understand immediately.. but how about some who are just very newbie on the mobile industry? anyway. i hope this wiki will be full detailed if it will push through thanks On Sat, Mar 8, 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Good idea. Just look at the success and plethora of info on http://www.voip-info.org/ - a wiki for ALL voip. /g On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 12:29 AM, Juan Nin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are many things that are asked and asked and asked all the time on the list, and it's
Re: Re: Proposal: Kannel Wiki
how bout wiki + irc? we can put logs on wiki? e.g. an irc session on how to install kannel. after the session has finished, they will make a small documentation inside that documentation is the mirc log. it doesnt have to be the whole log. maybe a summarization of that support. then they will attach the log into the wiki under e.g. example Installing Kannel-References. or there's always Gforge AS. or any collaboration software thanks On Sun, Mar 9, 2008, oscar cassetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Although I think that you can record the irc sessions, I believe that a better documentation and Wiki would be better. Oscar On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 12:02 AM, Juan Nin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I understand Alejandro's point of view, and agree with him. He's not saying that IRC is no good. What he's saying is that IRC is not the solution to the problem I mentioned, since there's no record of that... It's a solution for that right moment, and for someone who's there. But won't allow a new guy looking for some solution to search for an already discussed one and see it. On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 8:33 PM, Michael Sole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alejandro, I disagree I think IRC is a great solution so long as people are there to help. As for answering the same question over and over again. Yeah that can be tiresome but entirely important in an open source community. The fact is that not everyone searches the same way and sometimes what is obvious to one is not so obvious to another. Michael From: Alejandro Guerrieri [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 2:53 PM To: users@kannel.org Subject: UNS: Re: Proposal: Kannel Wiki IRC's not good for helping moderate-size communities imho. * It requires both parts to be available at the same time to be able to help. * Conversations are rarely stored and searchable. That's the whole point of a wiki: to have things in written once and forever. * It doesn't scale well when there's a lot of people talking. It has even more problems than a mailing list. People ask the wap-push question even with tons of threads archived by gmane, mail-archive and similar services. How many times are you willing to answer it? ;) I think the wiki could be a good idea, but extending the users guide or a faq addressing some of the most commonly asked questions would do the trick also. Regards, Alejandro On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 2:11 PM, Khary Sharpe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An even better idea is people should hangout in irc://irc.freenode.net/kannel , that way help can be provided near realtime. Just in case we have some irc newbies read here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRC k# Khary Sharpe wrote: Maybe I missed something ..but doesn't http://wiki.kannel.org already exist? There is nothing much there at the moment, especially where repeat questions are concerned but we can change that. All those who are interested can simply register and start adding pages. (hopefully the approval is automated) k# Juan Nin wrote: here u got: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.mobile.kannel.user/11009 you may have problems with linefeeds by copying the code from the webpage, at the end of January or beggining of February someone sent my code as an attached PHP file Regards, Juan On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 10:53 AM, Clarence Carino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i am one of the guys asking for a wap push how-to. yeah. having a wiki would greatly help. and some examples too because i'm searching users@kannel.org through nabble and all i can see it go to this and go to that, use this, use that without explaining. and before i post my help, i already searched 250++ of this mailing list. i did ran kannel by reading the kannel docs and some help from mail-archive.com. but its really confusing on wap push.(i'll stop here coz its off topic) some were just replying as if the user will understand immediately.. but how about some who are just very newbie on the mobile industry? anyway. i hope this wiki will be full detailed if it will push through thanks On Sat, Mar 8, 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Good idea. Just look at the success and plethora of info on http://www.voip-info.org/ - a wiki for ALL voip. /g On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 12:29 AM, Juan Nin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are many things that are asked and asked and asked all the time on the list, and it's
Re: Re: Proposal: Kannel Wiki
That was my point, yes. One of the most commonly seen questions being made on the mailing list is how to send a wap-push using kannel. Juan has put together a very thorough how-to using kannel's PPG. I've made a PHP function to encode a wap-push into a binary message and send it using kannel (without ppg). Many others has put similar pieces of code using Java and other languages. I think I've sent a link to the my email on gmane about 10 times. Similar with Juan's code. Both articles are easily found by googling a little bit, yet many people is lazy enough to ask before finding by themselves. IRC won't be any good with this particular problem. Even if being recorded, the question wouldn't be asked, nor answered, at once. That'd make very difficult to google it. Anyway, it doesn't work with the mailing list, why would it work with the IRC log? Regards, Alejandro On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 10:02 PM, Juan Nin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I understand Alejandro's point of view, and agree with him. He's not saying that IRC is no good. What he's saying is that IRC is not the solution to the problem I mentioned, since there's no record of that... It's a solution for that right moment, and for someone who's there. But won't allow a new guy looking for some solution to search for an already discussed one and see it. On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 8:33 PM, Michael Sole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alejandro, I disagree I think IRC is a great solution so long as people are there to help. As for answering the same question over and over again. Yeah that can be tiresome but entirely important in an open source community. The fact is that not everyone searches the same way and sometimes what is obvious to one is not so obvious to another. Michael From: Alejandro Guerrieri [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 2:53 PM To: users@kannel.org Subject: UNS: Re: Proposal: Kannel Wiki IRC's not good for helping moderate-size communities imho. * It requires both parts to be available at the same time to be able to help. * Conversations are rarely stored and searchable. That's the whole point of a wiki: to have things in written once and forever. * It doesn't scale well when there's a lot of people talking. It has even more problems than a mailing list. People ask the wap-push question even with tons of threads archived by gmane, mail-archive and similar services. How many times are you willing to answer it? ;) I think the wiki could be a good idea, but extending the users guide or a faq addressing some of the most commonly asked questions would do the trick also. Regards, Alejandro On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 2:11 PM, Khary Sharpe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An even better idea is people should hangout in irc://irc.freenode.net/kannel , that way help can be provided near realtime. Just in case we have some irc newbies read here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRC k# Khary Sharpe wrote: Maybe I missed something ..but doesn't http://wiki.kannel.org already exist? There is nothing much there at the moment, especially where repeat questions are concerned but we can change that. All those who are interested can simply register and start adding pages. (hopefully the approval is automated) k# Juan Nin wrote: here u got: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.mobile.kannel.user/11009 you may have problems with linefeeds by copying the code from the webpage, at the end of January or beggining of February someone sent my code as an attached PHP file Regards, Juan On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 10:53 AM, Clarence Carino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i am one of the guys asking for a wap push how-to. yeah. having a wiki would greatly help. and some examples too because i'm searching users@kannel.org through nabble and all i can see it go to this and go to that, use this, use that without explaining. and before i post my help, i already searched 250++ of this mailing list. i did ran kannel by reading the kannel docs and some help from mail-archive.com. but its really confusing on wap push.(i'll stop here coz its off topic) some were just replying as if the user will understand immediately.. but how about some who are just very newbie on the mobile industry? anyway. i hope this wiki will be full detailed if it will push through thanks On Sat, Mar 8, 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Good idea. Just look at the success and plethora of info on http://www.voip-info.org/ - a wiki for ALL voip. /g On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 12:29 AM, Juan Nin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
Re: Proposal: Kannel Wiki
My post early said 'a better idea'perhaps that was the wrong choice of words. I am in support of the upgrading the current Wiki . However not because something is documented means that it will be understood by all audiences. Irc is another medium through which people can get additional support, as their needs may be slightly different, and they only need to be pointed in the right direction quickly. This can also be used to inform the Wiki and update it accordingly, so it becomes more comprehensive over time. In short we should combine all the channels we have available, so we can grow as individuals and as a community. - K Clarence Carino wrote: how bout wiki + irc? we can put logs on wiki? e.g. an irc session on how to install kannel. after the session has finished, they will make a small documentation inside that documentation is the mirc log. it doesnt have to be the whole log. maybe a summarization of that support. then they will attach the log into the wiki under e.g. example Installing Kannel-References. or there's always Gforge AS. or any collaboration software thanks On Sun, Mar 9, 2008, oscar cassetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Although I think that you can record the irc sessions, I believe that a better documentation and Wiki would be better. Oscar On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 12:02 AM, Juan Nin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I understand Alejandro's point of view, and agree with him. He's not saying that IRC is no good. What he's saying is that IRC is not the solution to the problem I mentioned, since there's no record of that... It's a solution for that right moment, and for someone who's there. But won't allow a new guy looking for some solution to search for an already discussed one and see it. On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 8:33 PM, Michael Sole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alejandro, I disagree I think IRC is a great solution so long as people are there to help. As for answering the same question over and over again. Yeah that can be tiresome but entirely important in an open source community. The fact is that not everyone searches the same way and sometimes what is obvious to one is not so obvious to another. Michael From: Alejandro Guerrieri [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 2:53 PM To: users@kannel.org Subject: UNS: Re: Proposal: Kannel Wiki IRC's not good for helping moderate-size communities imho. * It requires both parts to be available at the same time to be able to help. * Conversations are rarely stored and searchable. That's the whole point of a wiki: to have things in written once and forever. * It doesn't scale well when there's a lot of people talking. It has even more problems than a mailing list. People ask the wap-push question even with tons of threads archived by gmane, mail-archive and similar services. How many times are you willing to answer it? ;) I think the wiki could be a good idea, but extending the users guide or a faq addressing some of the most commonly asked questions would do the trick also. Regards, Alejandro On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 2:11 PM, Khary Sharpe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An even better idea is people should hangout in irc://irc.freenode.net/kannel , that way help can be provided near realtime. Just in case we have some irc newbies read here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRC k# Khary Sharpe wrote: Maybe I missed something ..but doesn't http://wiki.kannel.org already exist? There is nothing much there at the moment, especially where repeat questions are concerned but we can change that. All those who are interested can simply register and start adding pages. (hopefully the approval is automated) k# Juan Nin wrote: here u got: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.mobile.kannel.user/11009 you may have problems with linefeeds by copying the code from the webpage, at the end of January or beggining of February someone sent my code as an attached PHP file Regards, Juan On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 10:53 AM, Clarence Carino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i am one of the guys asking for a wap push how-to. yeah. having a wiki would greatly help. and some examples too because i'm searching users@kannel.org through nabble and all i can see it go to this and go to that, use this, use that without explaining. and before i post my help, i already searched 250++ of this mailing list. i did ran kannel by reading the kannel docs and some help from mail-archive.com. but its really confusing on wap push.(i'll stop here coz its off topic) some were just replying as if the user will understand immediately.. but how about some who are just very newbie on the mobile industry
Proposal: Kannel Wiki
There are many things that are asked and asked and asked all the time on the list, and it's quite annoying... I think the bigger example is how to send a Wap Push Wouldn't it be a good idea, to setup a Kannel Wiki, where people can post articles and how to do this, and how to do that, example confs, etc? This way people can first check on the Wiki and find lots of useful info there... and if someone does not check the Wiki and asks again, it will just be replying Check it at http://wiki.kannel.org; What do you think? Juan
Re: Proposal: Kannel Wiki
Good idea. Just look at the success and plethora of info on http://www.voip-info.org/ - a wiki for ALL voip. /g On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 12:29 AM, Juan Nin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are many things that are asked and asked and asked all the time on the list, and it's quite annoying... I think the bigger example is how to send a Wap Push Wouldn't it be a good idea, to setup a Kannel Wiki, where people can post articles and how to do this, and how to do that, example confs, etc? This way people can first check on the Wiki and find lots of useful info there... and if someone does not check the Wiki and asks again, it will just be replying Check it at http://wiki.kannel.org; What do you think? Juan
Re: Proposal: Kannel Wiki
I agree. It indeed is a good idea. On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 1:48 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good idea. Just look at the success and plethora of info on http://www.voip-info.org/ - a wiki for ALL voip. /g On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 12:29 AM, Juan Nin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are many things that are asked and asked and asked all the time on the list, and it's quite annoying... I think the bigger example is how to send a Wap Push Wouldn't it be a good idea, to setup a Kannel Wiki, where people can post articles and how to do this, and how to do that, example confs, etc? This way people can first check on the Wiki and find lots of useful info there... and if someone does not check the Wiki and asks again, it will just be replying Check it at http://wiki.kannel.org; What do you think? Juan -- Thanks and Best regards Atul Chaudhari
Re: Proposal: Kannel Wiki
good idea and the time is precious for most of us .. -Original Message- From: Kannel Users [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 2008 ?. To: seikath Subject:Proposal: Kannel Wiki There are many things that are asked and asked and asked all the time on the list, and it's quite annoying... I think the bigger example is how to send a Wap Push Wouldn't it be a good idea, to setup a Kannel Wiki, where people can post articles and how to do this, and how to do that, example confs, etc? This way people can first check on the Wiki and find lots of useful info there... and if someone does not check the Wiki and asks again, it will just be replying Check it at http://wiki.kannel.org; What do you think? Juan
