Re: Taskbar Panel in Plasma Won't Autohide

[Ed Greshko]

On 05/21/16 08:27, Stephen Morris wrote:
> On 19/05/16 11:30, Stephen Morris wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am trying to get the Taskbar Panel to autohide, but when I click on the 
>> options
>> button in the panel, the left, right and center options are permanently 
>> highlighted but
>> seem to function in terms of moving the indicator that reflects which option 
>> is active.
>> Also the 'Always Visible', 'Auto Hide', 'Windows can Cover' and 'Windows go 
>> Below'
>> options are also permanently highlighted but selecting the 2nd or 3rd option 
>> does
>> nothing. It appears these options are highlighted because the colour scheme 
>> I am using,
>> which is forget-me-not thinks they are push buttons.
>>
>> Does anyone know why these don't work anymore in Fedora 23? I am using
>> Breeze for the Windows Style and Windows Decorations themes.
> I forgot to mention this is in Plasma.
> When I said it doesn't work anymore, what I meant was Autohide worked in
> Fedora versions 18 to 22 but not in Fedora 23. 

It seems to be broken for me as well.  I didn't notice it, since I don't use it.

You may want to post to the KDE list as there are more folks hanging out their 
with KDE
experience.  I could not find a bugzilla in either Redhat's BZ or on KDE.org.  
But I tend
not to phrase my queries well.  :-)




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Re: Balsa -

[Ed Greshko]

On 05/21/16 08:21, Bob Goodwin wrote:

>
> wireshark protests: "port 110" isn't a valid display filter: "110" was
> unexpected in this context. 

You are entering that in the wrong place.

You want to be in "Capture Options", which can be reached by clicking on the 
second icon
on the left which is between the words "Edit   View" in the menu.  Looks like a 
gear in a
circle.

It goes in the box called "Capture Filter".  As you type the box should change 
from red to
green as you enter to indicate if you have a valid filter.

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Re: Taskbar Panel in Plasma Won't Autohide

[Stephen Morris]

On 19/05/16 11:30, Stephen Morris wrote:

Hi,

I am trying to get the Taskbar Panel to autohide, but when I click on 
the options button in the panel, the left, right and center options 
are permanently highlighted but seem to function in terms of moving 
the indicator that reflects which option is active. Also the 'Always 
Visible', 'Auto Hide', 'Windows can Cover' and 'Windows go Below' 
options are also permanently highlighted but selecting the 2nd or 3rd 
option does nothing. It appears these options are highlighted because 
the colour scheme I am using, which is forget-me-not thinks they are 
push buttons.


Does anyone know why these don't work anymore in Fedora 23? I am using 
Breeze for the Windows Style and Windows Decorations themes.

I forgot to mention this is in Plasma.
When I said it doesn't work anymore, what I meant was Autohide worked in 
Fedora versions 18 to 22 but not in Fedora 23.


regards,

Steve
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Re: Balsa -

[Bob Goodwin]

On 05/20/16 18:58, Samuel Sieb wrote:
It's possible that the Fedora maintainer may have added patches, but 
in this case, there are none.


Ok, I was grasping at a straw there.


"Start wireshark and listen to the localhost interface with the filter 
rule "port 110"."


I'm having trouble doing this.

wireshark protests: "port 110" isn't a valid display filter: "110" was 
unexpected in this context.


I'm trying to learn how to use Wireshark, it may take a few days, if 
ever ...




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Re: Balsa -

[Samuel Sieb]

On 05/20/2016 02:43 PM, Bob Goodwin wrote:

On 05/20/16 16:47, Samuel Sieb wrote:

What difference will that make?  It will still be the same software
and it seems to be more of a configuration issue.

.
I believe applications provided by dnf can have changes that may not
exist when obtained from other sources?

It's possible that the Fedora maintainer may have added patches, but in 
this case, there are none.


http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/rpms/balsa.git/plain/balsa.spec?h=f23
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[389-users] Re: subtree password policy woes

[Morgan Jones]

> On May 19, 2016, at 19:04, William Brown  wrote:
> 
> It would be good to get a look at the object that is affected here. Can you 
> show me: pwdpolicysubentry from the affected user
> entry? 
> 
> Then can you also show the contents of the dn listed by that 
> pwdpolicysubentry?
> 
> 
> Is there anything in your error logs that looks suspicious? 



William,

I believe this is what you’re looking for:

dn: cn=cn\3DnsPwPolicyEntry\2Cou\3Demployees\2Cdc\3Ddomain\2Cdc\3Dorg,cn=nsPw
 PolicyContainer,ou=employees,dc=domain,dc=org
objectClass: ldapsubentry
objectClass: passwordpolicy
objectClass: top
cn: cn=nsPwPolicyEntry,ou=employees,dc=domain,dc=org
passwordMustChange: off
passwordExp: off
passwordMinAge: 0
passwordChange: off
passwordCheckSyntax: on
passwordStorageScheme: ssha
passwordMaxRepeats: 0
passwordMinLength: 8
passwordMinAlphas: 0
passwordMinDigits: 0
passwordMinSpecials: 0
passwordMinLowers: 0
passwordMinCategories: 2
passwordMinUppers: 0
passwordMinTokenLength: 2
passwordMin8bit: 0



Here are some examples of setting passwords to shorter than 8 characters with 
corresponding logs.  There is nothing (new) in errors:


[root@devldapm03 slapd-devldapm03]# ldapmodify -h localhost -D cn=directory\ 
manager -w pass
dn: uid=morgan,ou=employees,dc=domain,dc=org
changetype: modify 
replace: userpassword
userpassword: 12345

modifying entry “uid=morgan,ou=employees,dc=domain,dc=org"

[root@devldapm03 slapd-devldapm03]#


[20/May/2016:18:16:42 -0400] conn=16 fd=68 slot=68 connection from 127.0.0.1 to 
127.0.0.1
[20/May/2016:18:16:42 -0400] conn=16 op=0 BIND dn="cn=directory manager" 
method=128 version=3
[20/May/2016:18:16:42 -0400] conn=16 op=0 RESULT err=0 tag=97 nentries=0 
etime=0 dn="cn=directory manager"
[20/May/2016:18:17:05 -0400] conn=16 op=1 MOD 
dn="uid=morgan,ou=employees,dc=domain,dc=org"
[20/May/2016:18:17:05 -0400] conn=16 op=1 RESULT err=0 tag=103 nentries=0 
etime=0domain





[root@devldapm03 slapd-devldapm03]# ldapmodify -h localhost -D 
uid=morgan,ou=employees,dc=domain,dc=org -w pass
dn: uid=morgan,ou=employees,dc=domain,dc=org
changetype: modify
replace: userpassword
userpassword: 123

modifying entry "uid=morgan,ou=employees,dc=domain,dc=org"
[root@devldapm03 slapd-devldapm03]#


[20/May/2016:18:26:29 -0400] conn=29 fd=68 slot=68 connection from 127.0.0.1 to 
127.0.0.1
[20/May/2016:18:26:29 -0400] conn=29 op=0 BIND 
dn="uid=morgan,ou=employees,dc=domain,dc=org" method=128 version=3
[20/May/2016:18:26:29 -0400] conn=29 op=0 RESULT err=0 tag=97 nentries=0 
etime=0 dn="uid=morgan,ou=employees,dc=domain,dc=org"
[20/May/2016:18:26:51 -0400] conn=29 op=1 MOD 
dn="uid=morgan,ou=employees,dc=domain,dc=org"
[20/May/2016:18:26:51 -0400] conn=29 op=1 RESULT err=0 tag=103 nentries=0 
etime=0


thanks,

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Re: How can I see System Settings on another machine?

[Tom Horsley]

On Fri, 20 May 2016 15:14:39 -0500 (CDT)
ven...@billoblog.com wrote:

> What about this?
> 
> https://ssnjara.wordpress.com/2011/10/08/ink-checking-the-ink-level-of-your-printers-from-cli/

Yea. I recommend learning how to do admin via CLI because
it tends to stay the same, so once you learn it, it
remains useful. All the system admin GUI tools keep
getting redesigned by "helpful" people who hide or
completely remove features they personally don't use :-).

(Of course CLI changes happen sometimes as well, like
systemd).
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Re: Balsa -

[Bob Goodwin]

On 05/20/16 16:47, Samuel Sieb wrote:
What difference will that make?  It will still be the same software 
and it seems to be more of a configuration issue.

.
I believe applications provided by dnf can have changes that may not 
exist when obtained from other sources?


In order for you to find out what command is causing the trouble, you 
can use stunnel (you will probably need to install it).  Put the 
following lines in a file called stunnel.conf:


foreground=yes
syslog=no
[pop3]
client=yes
accept=localhost:110
connect=mail.wildblue.net:995

As root, run "stunnel stunnel.conf".  Now, set Balsa to use 
localhost:110 as the incoming mail server.  Start wireshark and listen 
to the localhost interface with the filter rule "port 110".  Tell 
Balsa to check for emails.  Hopefully you get the same error message. 
Right-click one of the packets and select "follow tcp stream".  You 
should now see the conversation between Balsa and the server.

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Yes I will try this. It appears that stunnel is already installed in F-23.

Thanks,

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Re: Balsa -

[Samuel Sieb]

On 05/20/2016 12:00 PM, Bob Goodwin wrote:

So I tried mail.wildblue.net:995 fir the incoming server address, still
get ERR: Invalid Command when I "check" incoming mail.

In that case, you are definitely using pop3s which would make using 
wireshark a lot more difficult.  See below for a solution.



Since my troubleshooting skills are not sufficient it seems installing
from something other than dnf might be worth a try.

What difference will that make?  It will still be the same software and 
it seems to be more of a configuration issue.


In order for you to find out what command is causing the trouble, you 
can use stunnel (you will probably need to install it).  Put the 
following lines in a file called stunnel.conf:


foreground=yes
syslog=no
[pop3]
client=yes
accept=localhost:110
connect=mail.wildblue.net:995

As root, run "stunnel stunnel.conf".  Now, set Balsa to use 
localhost:110 as the incoming mail server.  Start wireshark and listen 
to the localhost interface with the filter rule "port 110".  Tell Balsa 
to check for emails.  Hopefully you get the same error message. 
Right-click one of the packets and select "follow tcp stream".  You 
should now see the conversation between Balsa and the server.

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Re: How can I see System Settings on another machine?

[Samuel Sieb]

On 05/20/2016 12:41 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:

System Settings is a KDE panel.

I suspected that might be the case.  But that is also a generic term 
used for any control panel application.  I sometimes call the Gnome one 
that. :-)

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Re: How can I see System Settings on another machine?

[vendor]

What about this?

https://ssnjara.wordpress.com/2011/10/08/ink-checking-the-ink-level-of-your-printers-from-cli/


billo


On Fri, 20 May 2016, Timothy Murphy wrote:


Rick Stevens wrote:


On 05/20/2016 10:35 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote:



I want to access System Settings=>Printers on my CentOS-7 server
from my Fedora-24beta laptop.
Is that possible?



If you set up the CentOS 7 box with a shared display accessible by
TigerVNC or Remmina or RDP or some other remote display mechanism.


Thanks for your response.

But do I really need to install software of this kind
to see System Settings?
I was hoping I could use ssh in some way.
Eg I can ssh into the CentOS box and run firefox or kmail.


You might try accessing the CUPS daemon via

http://your-centos7-box:631

Not quite the same, but you can see what the print subsystem is doing.


I have been doing that.
But as far as I can see, CUPS does not offer any way of seeing toner level.





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Re: How can I see System Settings on another machine?

[Samuel Sieb]

On 05/20/2016 11:11 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote:

Rick Stevens wrote:


On 05/20/2016 10:35 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote:



I want to access System Settings=>Printers on my CentOS-7 server
from my Fedora-24beta laptop.
Is that possible?



If you set up the CentOS 7 box with a shared display accessible by
TigerVNC or Remmina or RDP or some other remote display mechanism.


Thanks for your response.

But do I really need to install software of this kind
to see System Settings?
I was hoping I could use ssh in some way.
Eg I can ssh into the CentOS box and run firefox or kmail.

Did you see my previous reply about using system-config-printer over 
ssh?  It handles all the printer management including ink/toner levels.

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Re: GPG signing problem

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Fri, 2016-05-20 at 09:48 -0700, Doug H. wrote:
> On Fri, 2016-05-20 at 17:07 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > 
> > I'm having a problem in Evolution (3.18.5.2) but suspect that it's
> > really something in my GPG setup. When I try to sign and encrypt a
> > message, I get:
> > 
> > Could not create message.
> > 
> > Because "gpg: skipped "": No secret key
> > gpg: signing failed: No secret key
> > ", you may need to select different mail options.
> > 
> > I have used GPG in the past with the same key (also from Evolution)
> > without any problem. Both my own and the destination address are in
> > my
> > keyring.
> > 
> > When I try to use Seahorse to sign a key, it tells me I have no
> > secret
> > key to do this with, which looks like the same error.
> > 
> > So what does "no secret key" mean? All keys in the keyring were
> > generated by GPG as public/private pairs, so I don't understand
> > what's
> > going on.
> 
> Not sure this helps, but...
> 
> I was able to get that message when I created a reply to this group.
>  I
> then moved over to my inbox to create a new message and was able to
> sign it.  The trouble for me was clear from the error since I use a
> non
> standard e-mail for this list and that was not in my GPG settings.

The address I'm using to send the mail (and hence to sign it) is one of
those in my keyring. I've tried using both with the actual address and
the 8-digit ID string to select the signing key. Both give the same
error.

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Re: How can I see System Settings on another machine?

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Fri, 2016-05-20 at 11:04 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> On 05/20/2016 10:35 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> > 
> > I want to access System Settings=>Printers on my CentOS-7 server
> > from my Fedora-24beta laptop.
> > Is that possible?
> > 
> What is "System Settings"?  The easiest way is to install 
> system-config-printer on the server and run it over ssh -X.  I use
> that often.  You could also run the settings application (e.g. 
> gnome-control-center) over ssh, but I find system-config-printer to
> be much more useful.

System Settings is a KDE panel.

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Re: How can I see System Settings on another machine?

[Rick Stevens]

On 05/20/2016 11:11 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote:

Rick Stevens wrote:


On 05/20/2016 10:35 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote:



I want to access System Settings=>Printers on my CentOS-7 server
from my Fedora-24beta laptop.
Is that possible?



If you set up the CentOS 7 box with a shared display accessible by
TigerVNC or Remmina or RDP or some other remote display mechanism.


Thanks for your response.

But do I really need to install software of this kind
to see System Settings?
I was hoping I could use ssh in some way.
Eg I can ssh into the CentOS box and run firefox or kmail.


If you're talking about remote viewing of a desktop, yes you have
to install that stuff, and looking at "System Settings" assumes the
desktop. If you're talking about a simple X client, yes, you can use
"ssh -X" to do X forwarding of the client's output to your local
display.

You could just add the vnc module to your X display on the server and
use remmina or tigerVNC viewer to look at it. Add a file, 
"/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/10-libvnc.conf" to your server containing these lines:


Section "Module"
Load "vnc"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
Identifier "Screen0"
DefaultDepth 16
Option "SecurityTypes" "VncAuth"
Option "PasswordFile" "/root/.vnc/passwd"
EndSection

Save it and then run "vncpasswd" as the root user to establish a
password needed to access the remote display. Restart X on the server.

On your local machine, use a VNC client to access the server's port
5900. When prompted for a password, put in the password when you ran
"vncpasswd" and you should see the server's desktop on your local
display.

I've done this before and it works. I haven't done it in a while as
I've been using TeamViewer and TeamViewer's server and the VNC module
don't like each other--use one or the other.




You might try accessing the CUPS daemon via

http://your-centos7-box:631

Not quite the same, but you can see what the print subsystem is doing.


I have been doing that.
But as far as I can see, CUPS does not offer any way of seeing toner level.


No, it doesn't. CUPS manages the spooling and job system, not the
printer driver innards.
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Re: Balsa -

[Bob Goodwin]

On 05/20/16 13:15, Tim wrote:

---
I've just installed Balsa, on my out-of-date system, to have a play, and
got it working within a couple of minutes of fiddling.  I had to
manually create a /var/spool/mail/timtesting file to make it happy, as
root, then chown tim:mail /var/spool/mail/timtesting.  I could have let
it use my existing spool file, but I didn't want *it* messing up
anything that my normal mail clients were using.

If things have not changed too much between it and what you're using.
Open the preferences, and look at the mail options section.  In mine,
you have a Mail Options heading, and two sub-headings for Incoming and
Outgoing.  The Mail Options heading, itself, brings up the choices for
setting up server parameters.  The sub-headings are choices for how it
deals with ingoing and outgoing mail, within itself.

In the Mail Options settings panel, the top half concerns where you get
your mail from (POP or IMAP), where you enter a descriptive name for
your mailbox (if you had several, this lets you tell them apart in a
non-technical way), the actual mail server address, your login name and
password, and some other options.

e.g.  Descriptive name:  work mail
   Server:  pop3.example.com
   Username:  tim
   Password:  gobbledegook

The middle bit is to do where it stores mail on your computer.

e.g.  /home/tim/balsamailtest

The bottom half is where you set up the sending servers (SMTP).  Again,
you get to give the configurations a name for your own purposes, the
server address (with a colon between address and the port number), the
login name and password, and some other options.
yes, and the GUI never allows me to set the server address there 
[smtp.wildblue.net]. I can set it in config-private with a text editor 
though and that seems to make outgoing work.

e.g.  Descriptive name:  all mail
   Server:  smtp.example.com:25
   Username:  tim
   Password:  gobbledegook

I hadn't tested whether it needed :25 after the server address, it just
started out that way, with localhost:25, and I followed the example.
But I've just tried it, and it doesn't need it.  Most mail clients
presume normal port numbers, unless told to do something different.
SMTP is normally on port 25, POP3 is normally on port 110, and IMAP is
normally on port 143 (have a look through /etc/services for lots of
other common port assignments).

This didn't seem, to me, any harder to set up than any other mail
client.  Is your version similar to that?


.

I completely removed every vestige of balsa I could find and 
re-installed anew with dnf install balsa. No improvement resulted but I 
know there's nothing corrupted from my earlier efforts ...


Perhaps I should install from whatever source you used, I don't care if 
it's in French, just want to see this work.


I have changed "localhost:25" to the proper server address 
[smtp.wildblue.net] each time as part of my normal setup procedure, do 
you think it may want localhost? Strange ... No I tried that and it 
tells me it can't reach my connection. Normally the port numbers 
required are 995 and 465.


So I tried mail.wildblue.net:995 fir the incoming server address, still 
get ERR: Invalid Command when I "check" incoming mail.


Since my troubleshooting skills are not sufficient it seems installing 
from something other than dnf might be worth a try.



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Re: How can I see System Settings on another machine?

[vendor]

The only way I figured out how to do it was with vnc and a virtual desktop.

billo


On Fri, 20 May 2016, Timothy Murphy wrote:


I want to access System Settings=>Printers on my CentOS-7 server
from my Fedora-24beta laptop.
Is that possible?



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Re: How can I see System Settings on another machine?

[Timothy Murphy]

Rick Stevens wrote:

> On 05/20/2016 10:35 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote:

>> I want to access System Settings=>Printers on my CentOS-7 server
>> from my Fedora-24beta laptop.
>> Is that possible?

> If you set up the CentOS 7 box with a shared display accessible by
> TigerVNC or Remmina or RDP or some other remote display mechanism.

Thanks for your response.

But do I really need to install software of this kind
to see System Settings?
I was hoping I could use ssh in some way.
Eg I can ssh into the CentOS box and run firefox or kmail.

> You might try accessing the CUPS daemon via
> 
> http://your-centos7-box:631
> 
> Not quite the same, but you can see what the print subsystem is doing.

I have been doing that.
But as far as I can see, CUPS does not offer any way of seeing toner level.



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Re: How can I see System Settings on another machine?

[Samuel Sieb]

On 05/20/2016 10:35 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote:

I want to access System Settings=>Printers on my CentOS-7 server
from my Fedora-24beta laptop.
Is that possible?

What is "System Settings"?  The easiest way is to install 
system-config-printer on the server and run it over ssh -X.  I use that 
often.  You could also run the settings application (e.g. 
gnome-control-center) over ssh, but I find system-config-printer to be 
much more useful.

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Re: jre

[Patrick Dupre]

OK,

Thank.

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> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 at 7:38 PM
> From: "Rick Stevens" 
> To: "Community support for Fedora users" 
> Subject: Re: jre
>
> On 05/20/2016 10:21 AM, Patrick Dupre wrote:
> >
> > OK,
> >
> > but it seems that it also needs
> > javaw
> > which is not provided.
> > Is it javawriter ?
> 
> I suspect you have a version of your program that's for Windows. javaw
> doesn't exist in Linux--only in Java for Windows. In the Windows world,
> java opens a console window while javaw does not.
> 
> You might try doing a symlink and see if it works:
> 
>   $ sudo ln -s /usr/bin/java /usr/bin/javaw
> 
> No guarantees on if that'll, though.
> 
> >> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 at 6:41 PM
> >> From: "Rick Stevens" 
> >> To: "Community support for Fedora users" 
> >> Subject: Re: jre
> >>
> >> On 05/20/2016 09:31 AM, Patrick Dupre wrote:
> >>> Thank you.
> >>>
> >>> But:
> >>> Package java-1.8.0-openjdk-1:1.8.0.91-2.b14.fc22.x86_64 is already 
> >>> installed, skipping.
> >>> which jre returns:
> >>>
> >>> /usr/bin/which: no jre in 
> >>> (/root/bin:/usr/lib64/qt-3.3/bin:/usr/lib64/ccache:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin)
> >>
> >> "jre" is a mnemonic for "Java runtime environment"--it's not the binary.
> >> The execuatble binary is "/usr/bin/java" which is a symlink to
> >>
> >>/etc/alternatives/java
> >>
> >> which in turn is a symlink (on my machine) to
> >>
> >>/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.8.0-openjdk-1.8.0.91-5.b14.fc23.x86_64/jre/bin/java
> >>
> >>
>  Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 at 6:10 PM
>  From: "Samuel Sieb" 
>  To: "Community support for Fedora users" 
>  Subject: Re: jre
> 
>  On 05/20/2016 08:27 AM, Patrick Dupre wrote:
> > I wish to install on application (jpicedt) which requires jre.
> > Which jre install ?
> >
>  The package is java-1.8.0-openjdk, but "dnf install jre" will work.
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Re: How can I see System Settings on another machine?

[Rick Stevens]

On 05/20/2016 10:35 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote:

I want to access System Settings=>Printers on my CentOS-7 server
from my Fedora-24beta laptop.
Is that possible?


If you set up the CentOS 7 box with a shared display accessible by
TigerVNC or Remmina or RDP or some other remote display mechanism.

You might try accessing the CUPS daemon via

http://your-centos7-box:631

Not quite the same, but you can see what the print subsystem is doing.
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Re: jre

[Rick Stevens]

On 05/20/2016 10:21 AM, Patrick Dupre wrote:


OK,

but it seems that it also needs
javaw
which is not provided.
Is it javawriter ?


I suspect you have a version of your program that's for Windows. javaw
doesn't exist in Linux--only in Java for Windows. In the Windows world,
java opens a console window while javaw does not.

You might try doing a symlink and see if it works:

$ sudo ln -s /usr/bin/java /usr/bin/javaw

No guarantees on if that'll, though.


Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 at 6:41 PM
From: "Rick Stevens" 
To: "Community support for Fedora users" 
Subject: Re: jre

On 05/20/2016 09:31 AM, Patrick Dupre wrote:

Thank you.

But:
Package java-1.8.0-openjdk-1:1.8.0.91-2.b14.fc22.x86_64 is already installed, 
skipping.
which jre returns:

/usr/bin/which: no jre in 
(/root/bin:/usr/lib64/qt-3.3/bin:/usr/lib64/ccache:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin)


"jre" is a mnemonic for "Java runtime environment"--it's not the binary.
The execuatble binary is "/usr/bin/java" which is a symlink to

/etc/alternatives/java

which in turn is a symlink (on my machine) to

/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.8.0-openjdk-1.8.0.91-5.b14.fc23.x86_64/jre/bin/java



Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 at 6:10 PM
From: "Samuel Sieb" 
To: "Community support for Fedora users" 
Subject: Re: jre

On 05/20/2016 08:27 AM, Patrick Dupre wrote:

I wish to install on application (jpicedt) which requires jre.
Which jre install ?


The package is java-1.8.0-openjdk, but "dnf install jre" will work.
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How can I see System Settings on another machine?

[Timothy Murphy]

I want to access System Settings=>Printers on my CentOS-7 server
from my Fedora-24beta laptop.
Is that possible?

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Re: jre

[Patrick Dupre]

OK,

but it seems that it also needs 
javaw
which is not provided.
Is it javawriter ?

Thank.

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> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 at 6:41 PM
> From: "Rick Stevens" 
> To: "Community support for Fedora users" 
> Subject: Re: jre
>
> On 05/20/2016 09:31 AM, Patrick Dupre wrote:
> > Thank you.
> >
> > But:
> > Package java-1.8.0-openjdk-1:1.8.0.91-2.b14.fc22.x86_64 is already 
> > installed, skipping.
> > which jre returns:
> >
> > /usr/bin/which: no jre in 
> > (/root/bin:/usr/lib64/qt-3.3/bin:/usr/lib64/ccache:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin)
> 
> "jre" is a mnemonic for "Java runtime environment"--it's not the binary.
> The execuatble binary is "/usr/bin/java" which is a symlink to
> 
>   /etc/alternatives/java
> 
> which in turn is a symlink (on my machine) to
> 
>   /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.8.0-openjdk-1.8.0.91-5.b14.fc23.x86_64/jre/bin/java
> 
> 
> >> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 at 6:10 PM
> >> From: "Samuel Sieb" 
> >> To: "Community support for Fedora users" 
> >> Subject: Re: jre
> >>
> >> On 05/20/2016 08:27 AM, Patrick Dupre wrote:
> >>> I wish to install on application (jpicedt) which requires jre.
> >>> Which jre install ?
> >>>
> >> The package is java-1.8.0-openjdk, but "dnf install jre" will work.
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Re: Balsa -

[Tim]

On Fri, 2016-05-20 at 12:15 -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote:
> After adding my username via gedit on the bottom line of 
> "config-private" below, sending a message from balsa compose requested
> a password and the message is received by Thunderbird. I then checked 
> remember password too.
>  
> [bobg@Box10 .balsa]$ cat config-private
> [mailbox-1]
> Username=bobgood...@wildblue.net
> Password=encrypted gibberish
>  
> [smtp-server-Default]
> Username=bobgood...@wildblue.net

I hope that you fully exited the program before hand-editing any config
files.  Not doing so can lead to all sorts of shenanigans (such as
programs not seeing your changes, and programs writing back their cached
settings to the config file as they exit).

It's been years since I've tried balsa, and the screenshots I found of
it were in French, but most mail clients are somewhat similar to
configure.  Usually, you can manage to work out one if you can manage to
work out another.  Snares often come up when encryption is used, there's
a variety of techniques, and both sides need to agree with an encryption
type, protocols, and the ports used.  Some, however, do not give you any
entry box to enter a password in their config.  They'll pop-up a
separate requester when you try to fetch your mail, and that's where
you'd enter and store it.

You are using the right incoming protocol (POP or IMAP), whichever your
mail service provider offers?

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I've just installed Balsa, on my out-of-date system, to have a play, and
got it working within a couple of minutes of fiddling.  I had to
manually create a /var/spool/mail/timtesting file to make it happy, as
root, then chown tim:mail /var/spool/mail/timtesting.  I could have let
it use my existing spool file, but I didn't want *it* messing up
anything that my normal mail clients were using.

If things have not changed too much between it and what you're using.
Open the preferences, and look at the mail options section.  In mine,
you have a Mail Options heading, and two sub-headings for Incoming and
Outgoing.  The Mail Options heading, itself, brings up the choices for
setting up server parameters.  The sub-headings are choices for how it
deals with ingoing and outgoing mail, within itself.

In the Mail Options settings panel, the top half concerns where you get
your mail from (POP or IMAP), where you enter a descriptive name for
your mailbox (if you had several, this lets you tell them apart in a
non-technical way), the actual mail server address, your login name and
password, and some other options.

e.g.  Descriptive name:  work mail
  Server:  pop3.example.com
  Username:  tim
  Password:  gobbledegook

The middle bit is to do where it stores mail on your computer.

e.g.  /home/tim/balsamailtest

The bottom half is where you set up the sending servers (SMTP).  Again,
you get to give the configurations a name for your own purposes, the
server address (with a colon between address and the port number), the
login name and password, and some other options.

e.g.  Descriptive name:  all mail
  Server:  smtp.example.com:25
  Username:  tim
  Password:  gobbledegook

I hadn't tested whether it needed :25 after the server address, it just
started out that way, with localhost:25, and I followed the example.
But I've just tried it, and it doesn't need it.  Most mail clients
presume normal port numbers, unless told to do something different.
SMTP is normally on port 25, POP3 is normally on port 110, and IMAP is
normally on port 143 (have a look through /etc/services for lots of
other common port assignments).

This didn't seem, to me, any harder to set up than any other mail
client.  Is your version similar to that?

-- 
tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp

Linux 3.19.8-100.fc20.i686 #1 SMP Tue May 12 17:42:35 UTC 2015 i686

All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying
to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the public lists.

George Orwell's '1984' was supposed to be a warning against tyranny, not
a set of instructions for supposedly democratic governments.
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Re: GPG signing problem

[Doug H.]

On Fri, 2016-05-20 at 17:07 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> I'm having a problem in Evolution (3.18.5.2) but suspect that it's
> really something in my GPG setup. When I try to sign and encrypt a
> message, I get:
> 
> Could not create message.
> 
> Because "gpg: skipped "": No secret key
> gpg: signing failed: No secret key
> ", you may need to select different mail options.
> 
> I have used GPG in the past with the same key (also from Evolution)
> without any problem. Both my own and the destination address are in
> my
> keyring.
> 
> When I try to use Seahorse to sign a key, it tells me I have no
> secret
> key to do this with, which looks like the same error.
> 
> So what does "no secret key" mean? All keys in the keyring were
> generated by GPG as public/private pairs, so I don't understand
> what's
> going on.


Not sure this helps, but...

I was able to get that message when I created a reply to this group.  I
then moved over to my inbox to create a new message and was able to
sign it.  The trouble for me was clear from the error since I use a non
standard e-mail for this list and that was not in my GPG settings.


My error:

Because "gpg: skipped "fedoraproject@wombatz.com": No secret key
gpg: signing failed: No secret key
", you may need to select different mail options.


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Re: jre

[Rick Stevens]

On 05/20/2016 09:31 AM, Patrick Dupre wrote:

Thank you.

But:
Package java-1.8.0-openjdk-1:1.8.0.91-2.b14.fc22.x86_64 is already installed, 
skipping.
which jre returns:

/usr/bin/which: no jre in 
(/root/bin:/usr/lib64/qt-3.3/bin:/usr/lib64/ccache:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin)


"jre" is a mnemonic for "Java runtime environment"--it's not the binary.
The execuatble binary is "/usr/bin/java" which is a symlink to

/etc/alternatives/java

which in turn is a symlink (on my machine) to

/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.8.0-openjdk-1.8.0.91-5.b14.fc23.x86_64/jre/bin/java



Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 at 6:10 PM
From: "Samuel Sieb" 
To: "Community support for Fedora users" 
Subject: Re: jre

On 05/20/2016 08:27 AM, Patrick Dupre wrote:

I wish to install on application (jpicedt) which requires jre.
Which jre install ?


The package is java-1.8.0-openjdk, but "dnf install jre" will work.
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Re: jre

[Patrick Dupre]

Thank you.

But:
Package java-1.8.0-openjdk-1:1.8.0.91-2.b14.fc22.x86_64 is already installed, 
skipping.
which jre returns:

/usr/bin/which: no jre in 
(/root/bin:/usr/lib64/qt-3.3/bin:/usr/lib64/ccache:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin)

So!

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> Sent: Friday, May 20, 2016 at 6:10 PM
> From: "Samuel Sieb" 
> To: "Community support for Fedora users" 
> Subject: Re: jre
>
> On 05/20/2016 08:27 AM, Patrick Dupre wrote:
> > I wish to install on application (jpicedt) which requires jre.
> > Which jre install ?
> >
> The package is java-1.8.0-openjdk, but "dnf install jre" will work.
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Re: Balsa -

[Bob Goodwin]

On 05/20/16 10:41, Tim wrote:

Perhaps there is
>something in the configuration that I am missing and what is being
>sent is not what I expect.

Okay, after looking back through the thread, is wildblue.net different
from your ISP?  They may require you to authenticate with them as one of
their users.  That can throw up a relaying not allowed error message,
too.  In this case, it's not based upon the address, but based upon only
allowing their customers to send through them.

Some ISPs do that by getting you to check for new mail (where you're
providing username and password, as part of the normal POP or IMAP mail
fetching procedure) before trying to send mail.  Others require you to
send username and password to log into their SMTP server to send mail
(your username may be just your username with the ISP, or it may be your
whole email address with that ISP).  And there's different ways that you
can send that information (e.g. unencrypted or encrypted).

Carefully look through your settings that you used on your other mail
client, that worked, to send mail with that address.

 
After adding my username via gedit on the bottom line of 
"config-private" below, sending a message from balsa compose requested a 
password and the message is received by Thunderbird. I then checked 
remember password too.


[bobg@Box10 .balsa]$ cat config-private
[mailbox-1]
Username=bobgood...@wildblue.net
Password=encrypted gibberish

[smtp-server-Default]
Username=bobgood...@wildblue.net

However I have not been able to find where this information 
[username/password in config file] is entered for incoming mail. Nothing 
I have tried with the setup GUI has helped.


And once anything had been entered it seems I have to rm -fr everything 
in .balsa. right now it is attempting to download new messages every 
minute and failing and producing an error message. Removing that 
requirement via the GUI is not sufficient.


Well I can make it send, that's a little progress ...


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Re: jre

[Samuel Sieb]

On 05/20/2016 08:27 AM, Patrick Dupre wrote:

I wish to install on application (jpicedt) which requires jre.
Which jre install ?


The package is java-1.8.0-openjdk, but "dnf install jre" will work.
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GPG signing problem

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

I'm having a problem in Evolution (3.18.5.2) but suspect that it's
really something in my GPG setup. When I try to sign and encrypt a
message, I get:

Could not create message.

Because "gpg: skipped "": No secret key
gpg: signing failed: No secret key
", you may need to select different mail options.

I have used GPG in the past with the same key (also from Evolution)
without any problem. Both my own and the destination address are in my
keyring.

When I try to use Seahorse to sign a key, it tells me I have no secret
key to do this with, which looks like the same error.

So what does "no secret key" mean? All keys in the keyring were
generated by GPG as public/private pairs, so I don't understand what's
going on.

poc
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jre

[Patrick Dupre]

Hello,

I wish to install on application (jpicedt) which requires jre.
Which jre install ?

Thank for your help.

Regards.

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Re: Balsa -

[Tim]

On Fri, 2016-05-20 at 10:13 -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote:
> I sent test messages to my usual e-mail address, e.g. 
> bobgood...@wildblue.net or my working gmail address, both entered via 
> the balsa "compose" and/or set-up GUI. However this leaves me
> wondering about what my ISP is actually getting. Perhaps there is
> something in the configuration that I am missing and what is being
> sent is not what I expect.

Okay, after looking back through the thread, is wildblue.net different
from your ISP?  They may require you to authenticate with them as one of
their users.  That can throw up a relaying not allowed error message,
too.  In this case, it's not based upon the address, but based upon only
allowing their customers to send through them.

Some ISPs do that by getting you to check for new mail (where you're
providing username and password, as part of the normal POP or IMAP mail
fetching procedure) before trying to send mail.  Others require you to
send username and password to log into their SMTP server to send mail
(your username may be just your username with the ISP, or it may be your
whole email address with that ISP).  And there's different ways that you
can send that information (e.g. unencrypted or encrypted).

Carefully look through your settings that you used on your other mail
client, that worked, to send mail with that address.



Another cause for a SMTP server giving you a relaying disallowed error
message is the IP that you're trying to connect from.  Normally, all IPs
that they give their customers are automatically allowed.  If you're
trying to access them when connected to the internet some other way,
such as taking your laptop to a friend's place, or a cafe, that they may
absolutely refuse to do it, even if you try authenticating.

It is possible to use a telnet client as a command line interface to
talk to a SMTP server, sending the commands and data that an email
client would do, to see what the server says back to you.  That lets you
poke at a server, to see if you can diagnose a problem that may not be
because of your mail client.

-- 
tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp

Linux 3.19.8-100.fc20.i686 #1 SMP Tue May 12 17:42:35 UTC 2015 i686

All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying
to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the public lists.

George Orwell's '1984' was supposed to be a warning against tyranny, not
a set of instructions for supposedly democratic governments.
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Re: Balsa -

[Bob Goodwin]

On 05/20/16 03:57, Tim wrote:

On Thu, 2016-05-19 at 12:23 -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote:

>I haven't been able to make any sense out of the wireshark data yet
>but this morning I tried again from gnome instead of xfce, the problem
>remains the same, however trying to send a test message from Balsa
>produced an error:
>  
>"Balsa   Relaying refused550: Relaying Refused

>  Message left in your Outbox."
>  
>Which once more makes me wonder if it is something my ISP is doing

>that causes the no-connect problem?

When you sent your test message, was the "from" and/or "to" addresses
real ones that work on the public internet?  Most mail servers do a
basic test, and won't let you send from an address that couldn't be
replied to.

.
I sent test messages to my usual e-mail address, e.g. 
bobgood...@wildblue.net or my working gmail address, both entered via 
the balsa "compose" and/or set-up GUI. However this leaves me wondering 
about what my ISP is actually getting. Perhaps there is something in the 
configuration that I am missing and what is being sent is not what I expect.


I'm not sure of how to check this but I think that next I will look at 
the configuration files more closely.


Thanks for the explanation,

Bob


e.g. If I send a test mail from , it's going to reject
that.  But if I send it from, it will allow it.  I
don't own example.com, but it passes the basic "is it most-likely real"
address test, simply because "example.com" exists.

Relaying is about handing over the mail to another server (unless your
message is to someone that exists on that server, it has to be passed
out to external servers), and that test is a very basic anti-spam
technique.  Though, one that's fooled by faking up realistic from
addresses, as we've all seen in the spam that we get.

You get a related, but different error message, if you try to send an
email to yourself but using an internal email address that only you know
about (e.g. using your internal LAN domain name, one without a public
domain).  It'll fail because*it*  can't relay a message to a server that
it doesn't know about.

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Re: Balsa -

[Tim]

On Thu, 2016-05-19 at 13:35 -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote:
> I subscribed to a balsa list a week or more ago but got no response
> and saw no activity there at all. 

You might want to give the list the details, in case it's been
superseded, and someone here knows the alternative.

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Linux 3.19.8-100.fc20.i686 #1 SMP Tue May 12 17:42:35 UTC 2015 i686

All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying
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Re: Balsa -

[Tim]

On Thu, 2016-05-19 at 12:23 -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote:
> I haven't been able to make any sense out of the wireshark data yet
> but this morning I tried again from gnome instead of xfce, the problem
> remains the same, however trying to send a test message from Balsa 
> produced an error:
>  
> "Balsa   Relaying refused550: Relaying Refused
>  Message left in your Outbox."
>  
> Which once more makes me wonder if it is something my ISP is doing
> that causes the no-connect problem?

When you sent your test message, was the "from" and/or "to" addresses
real ones that work on the public internet?  Most mail servers do a
basic test, and won't let you send from an address that couldn't be
replied to.

e.g. If I send a test mail from , it's going to reject
that.  But if I send it from , it will allow it.  I
don't own example.com, but it passes the basic "is it most-likely real"
address test, simply because "example.com" exists.

Relaying is about handing over the mail to another server (unless your
message is to someone that exists on that server, it has to be passed
out to external servers), and that test is a very basic anti-spam
technique.  Though, one that's fooled by faking up realistic from
addresses, as we've all seen in the spam that we get.

You get a related, but different error message, if you try to send an
email to yourself but using an internal email address that only you know
about (e.g. using your internal LAN domain name, one without a public
domain).  It'll fail because *it* can't relay a message to a server that
it doesn't know about.

-- 
tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp

Linux 3.19.8-100.fc20.i686 #1 SMP Tue May 12 17:42:35 UTC 2015 i686

All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying
to privately email me, I will only read messages posted to the public lists.

George Orwell's '1984' was supposed to be a warning against tyranny, not
a set of instructions for supposedly democratic governments.
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