Re: [users] Re: OOo needs an email client, Pegasus needs a sponsor and a text editing component

[mike scott]

On 21 Apr 2008 at 19:12, mike scott wrote:
...
> FWIW I've emailed Pegasus tech support mentioning the substance of 
> this discussion, and suggesting as a 'back burner idea' that they 
> might consider future compatibility, on some level, of Pegasus with 
> OOo.

And the answer came back in the negative - no plans to go open 
source, /cannot/ port to *nix [presumably meaning without a large 
effort]. Shame, it's been a good mail client on XP.

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Re: [users] DateDif function.

[Brian Barker]

At 13:08 21/04/2008 -0400, Jerry Feldman wrote:
I routinely take Excel spreadsheets and convert them to Calc. The 
spreadsheets are functional specifications for a product I am 
working on. The problem is there are a number of columns that use 
date calculations that require the Excel DATEDIF() function. 
OpenOffice.org have roughly functions such as YEARS().  The ODF 
specification (ISO/IEC 26300:2006 Open Document Format for Office 
Applications (OpenDocument) v1.0) does define the DATEDIF() function 
AFAIK. Actually, it is a minor pain to convert these as the total 
time is about 5 mins a couple of times a month. Actually, GNUMeric 
support datedif() but GNUMeric is not supported on RHEL 4 Update 3 
that I am required to run. One of the big benefits for the spec 
writer using Excel and me using OO.o is that it catches some errors. 
The person writing the spec could use OO.o since it is installed on 
her Windows laptop, but others in the company only use Excel so we 
do need to maintain the document in MS .xls format.


I'm not an expert on Excel and don't even have it available to test, 
but I suspect that you may be going about this the wrong way.  The 
Microsoft web site says that the DATEDIF() function in Excel is 
provided for compatibility with Lotus 1-2-3.  I interpret this to 
mean that Excel has other facilities that provide all that is 
necessary and that you shouldn't need to use DATEDIF() if Lotus 1-2-3 
is not part of your picture.  Is it possible that by using these 
other techniques in Excel your work would transfer more effectively 
to and fro between Excel and Calc?


Note that you may not need a function to calculate the difference 
between two dates: it is obtained simply by subtracting them.  You 
may then be able to treat the result appropriately (using standard 
functions?) to extract the precise information you need (which is not 
clear above).


I trust this helps.

Brian Barker


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Re: [users] footnote in 2-column document

[Brian Barker]

At 22:07 21/04/2008 -0700, Ganesha Bhaskara wrote [about footnotes 
splitting across columns]:
There is one more page in which I am seeing the same behavior for 
the footnote that happens to have moved to the last line on the 
page. I am glad you pointed this out. What is the change that one 
ends up with multiple footnotes migrating to the last line on the 
page in the same document, especially considering that I have never 
encountered this footnote behavior before.


There are a number of things that can contribute to the need for this 
behaviour:


o  Many footnote references in a column or page.
o  Long footnotes.
o  Narrow measures - for example, using multiple columns.
o  References happening to occur near the end of a column or 
page.  (This last is a moveable feast, of course - depending on other 
document content.)


I trust this helps.

Brian Barker


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Re: [users] footnote in 2-column document

[Ganesha Bhaskara]

Brian Barker wrote:

At 20:17 21/04/2008 -0700, Ganesha Bhaskara wrote:
I am using OO 2.3.1 on Ubuntu and am having some issues with footnotes 
in a 2 column document.
The footnote inserted in column 1 is bleeding into column 2  I 
expected for OO to adjust the size of the footnote box to fit the 
entire footnote in the same column.


Here is the screen shot of the problem I am facing.
http://www.isi.edu/~bhaskara/images/oo_2c.png

What settings in OO would force all the text in the footnote to be 
restricted to the column in which it was inserted ?


You've not thought this problem through, 


in retrospect ... yes ;-)

I'm afraid.  You simply cannot 
have what you claim to want and OpenOffice (or StarOffice, it seems) is

being helpful in doing what it is doing.

Yes: you would hope and expect that footnotes would appear in the column 
where the reference actually occurs.  But fitting footnotes in requires 
a word processor to reduce the amount of material that would otherwise 
fit into a page (or column, in this case).  If the reference occurs 
close to the bottom of the page, a paradox can arise.  Making space for 
the footnote may move the reference itself over to the following page or 
column.  


Thanks for the info ... after MANY iterations to the the document I 
completely lost track of where footnotes were inserted.


Then you'd have all of your footnote in the first column but 
the reference would have moved to the top of the second column.  You 
would then want the footnote moved to the second column, but doing this 
would allow the reference to move back to the first column, of course!  
It's Catch 22.


There is one more page in which I am seeing the same behavior for the 
footnote that happens to have moved to the last line on the page. I am 
glad you pointed this out. What is the change that one ends up with 
multiple footnotes migrating to the last line on the page in the same 
document, especially considering that I have never encountered this 
footnote behavior before.


-G



So what is the solution?  It's what Writer has done, in fact.  You fit 
as much of the footnote in the first column as you can whilst leaving 
the reference in that column.  That will put the reference on the last 
line, of course - just as it is in your case.  And then you continue the 
footnote in the following column or page, preceding any footnote that 
properly appears there.  Your screen shot is a textbook case.


I trust this helps.

Brian Barker


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Re: [users] footnote in 2-column document

[Brian Barker]

At 20:17 21/04/2008 -0700, Ganesha Bhaskara wrote:
I am using OO 2.3.1 on Ubuntu and am having some issues with 
footnotes in a 2 column document.
The footnote inserted in column 1 is bleeding into column 2  
I expected for OO to adjust the size of the footnote box to fit the 
entire footnote in the same column.


Here is the screen shot of the problem I am facing.
http://www.isi.edu/~bhaskara/images/oo_2c.png

What settings in OO would force all the text in the footnote to be 
restricted to the column in which it was inserted ?


You've not thought this problem through, I'm afraid.  You simply 
cannot have what you claim to want and OpenOffice (or StarOffice, it 
seems) is being helpful in doing what it is doing.


Yes: you would hope and expect that footnotes would appear in the 
column where the reference actually occurs.  But fitting footnotes in 
requires a word processor to reduce the amount of material that would 
otherwise fit into a page (or column, in this case).  If the 
reference occurs close to the bottom of the page, a paradox can 
arise.  Making space for the footnote may move the reference itself 
over to the following page or column.  Then you'd have all of your 
footnote in the first column but the reference would have moved to 
the top of the second column.  You would then want the footnote moved 
to the second column, but doing this would allow the reference to 
move back to the first column, of course!  It's Catch 22.


So what is the solution?  It's what Writer has done, in fact.  You 
fit as much of the footnote in the first column as you can whilst 
leaving the reference in that column.  That will put the reference on 
the last line, of course - just as it is in your case.  And then you 
continue the footnote in the following column or page, preceding any 
footnote that properly appears there.  Your screen shot is a textbook case.


I trust this helps.

Brian Barker


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Re: [users] MS-Word files as a default

[Girard Aquino]

plus, if you open a doc file and edit it in OOo, it will still be saved 
as .doc, not unless you "save as" where odt is still the default.

good move migrating her... i'm still working on that one... lol

Tim Johnson wrote:
> On Monday 21 April 2008, James Knott wrote:
>   
>> Tim Johnson wrote:
>> 
>>> I am in the process of migrating my wife from Windows XP to kubuntu 7.10.
>>> I believe that .odt files will be the default, but I'm wondering if there
>>> is a way to set Open Office so that any legacy .doc (MS-word) files that
>>> are opened and edited will be saved as .doc files.
>>>   
>> Yes, you can make Microsoft Office formats default. Click on Tools>
>> Options> Load/Save> General, at the bottom of the panel.
>> 
>
> Thanks. That is good to know.
> tim
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Re: [users] Help still needed!

[Girard Aquino]

i'd suggest you download the manual as i've found them to have helped in 
my transition to OOo.
http://documentation.openoffice.org/

thomas steel wrote:
> Dear Michael: I've waded carefully through both the links you kindly 
> sent me & can find nothing which relates to my endnote problem. As a 
> tutor, don't you know of a site which explains this stuff in layman's 
> terms? Or of any 'real world' tutorial help re OO in London? Both the 
> sites you suggested use endless jargon words without any attempt to 
> translate them. My despair arises both from the particular messes into 
> which I've been led by OO, but more generally because I've been word 
> processing for 25 years & have constantly tried to learn, but now find 
> my grasp slipping ever faster away, as it becomes the field of 
> technical experts.
>But anyway I will tomorrow try your suggestion of posting a sample 
> file & asking for help that way. Alas, still no response to my other 
> OO probs. TS.
> - Original Message - From: "Michael Adams" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [users] Help!!
>
>
>>
>> Life is to short to torment yourself over a word processor, so enough
>> of the woe is me already.
>>
>> I still think you need to grasp the concept of styles first, before you
>> proceed.
>>
>> http://www.google.com/search?q=openoffice.org+styles+tutorial
>> Try this one:
>> http://www.pcc-services.com/tutorials/OOo/basic_styles/page1.html
>>
>> In case you are wondering, i am a tutor, not a handyman. If you want a
>> handyman look next door. Or post a sample file to the internet so that
>> someone here can tell you how to modify the existing endnote style
>> document wide.
>>
>> On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:17:44 +0100
>> thomas steel wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you, Michael, for responding again. I wonder if you will have
>>> the patience to stick with this one. I can't work out how to 'identify
>>> para. style for endnotes', much less how to alter it. I have been
>>> going to my endnotes & then to 'Format' & then to 'Styles &
>>> Formatting'. Once there I am hit by several baffling items, but
>>> nothing which seems connected in any way with what I want to do. I
>>> really want to make this work & not to have to return to Word, but I
>>> am in torment! TS- Original Message - From: "Michael Adams" 
>>> 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:48 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [users] Help!!
>>>
>>>

 I have replied after the relevant point (interspersed replying)

 On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 09:25:47 +0100
 thomas steel wrote:

> Thank you so much for your help. Alas, I am even closer to despair
> with my 3 major problems over OO. I have struggled through all the
> style material, but can't see any connection with my endnote
> difficulty. Is it something to do with an 'anchor'? I don't know
what> that is and can't find it defined anywhere.

 All the endnotes in your document will have a given paragraph style
 applied to them. You need to identify the paragraph style used for
 the endnotes first. Then alter this paragraph style and apply the
 changes to the style for the whole document endnote styles to be
 updated.

>  By the way, am I using this facility correctly by responding to
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Yes you are.

> I'm sure there must be a way of filtering through to questions &
> responses on a single issue.

 You could create a folder within your inbox for openoffice.org
 "user" emails. Then set a filter to filter the "user" emails to that
 folder. Finally turn threaded view on for that folder. This requires
 moderate knowledge of your email client or how to use help within
 it. Unfortunately i do not know windows mail and cannot assist you
 further in that regard.

> From: "Michael Adams" 
>
>> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 17:11:08 +0100
>> thomas steel wrote:
>>
>>> My other problem is that I like to use a rarish font called
>>> Charter.
>>> Openword happily converts documents into this, but obstinately
>>leaves> all endnotes untouched. I have had to change these one by
one>>(hugely> laborious, when some of my docs have 200 of them. I
must be>>missing a> trick here. Will anyone be kind enough to help?
T. Steel>>
>> Looks like the styles applied in the document endnotes have not
>> persisted through the OO.o import filter. An understanding of
styles>> will allow you to modify the style for the endnotes once
per>> document. A general understanding of styles will speed writing
by>> reducing time spent on formatting text.
>>
>>
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOoAuthors_Us
er_Manual/Writer_Guide/Introduction_to_Styles>> If that link breaks
due to wordwrap here is a shortcut to it:>>
http://tinyurl.com/6puexl>>

 --> Michael

 All shall be well, and all sha

Re: [users] Office 2007 and OOXML

[Girard Aquino]

ah yes... i had the same problem with my students sending in docx 
files.. luckily (for them) i was able to open them using plugins for OOo 
on ubuntu and OOo on XP. funny they wanted this to be the standard.

Michael Adams wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:37:44 -0700
> Ganesha Bhaskara wrote:
>
>   
>> Folks,
>>
>> If you are using Office 2007 and saving documents in .docx format, 
>> please be warned that  Office 2007 is not OOXML standard compliant.
>> More info here : 
>> http://www.news.com/Office-2007-fails-OOXML-conformance-test/2100-7344_3-6237855.html
>>
>> You would be better off saving in ODF or .doc (if you MUST  I have
>> to :-( ) for now until OOXML stablilizes.
>>
>> 
>
> Thats what i have been advising in every .docx query that i have replied
> to, based on this:
> http://www.sutor.com/newsite/blog-open/?p=2031
>
> Glad to see the idea get some official backing.
>
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[users] footnote in 2 column document

[Ganesha Bhaskara]

All,

I am using OO 2.3.1 on Ubuntu and am having some issues with footnotes 
in a 2 column document.
The footnote inserted in column 1 is bleeding into column 2  I 
expected for OO to adjust the size of the footnote

box to fit the entire footnote in the same column.

Here is the screen shot of the problem I am facing.

http://www.isi.edu/~bhaskara/images/oo_2c.png

What settings in OO would force all the text in the footnote to be 
restricted to the column in which it was inserted ?


Thanks,

-Ganesha

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Re: [users] MS-Word files as a default

[Tim Johnson]

On Monday 21 April 2008, James Knott wrote:
> Tim Johnson wrote:
> > I am in the process of migrating my wife from Windows XP to kubuntu 7.10.
> > I believe that .odt files will be the default, but I'm wondering if there
> > is a way to set Open Office so that any legacy .doc (MS-word) files that
> > are opened and edited will be saved as .doc files.
>
> Yes, you can make Microsoft Office formats default. Click on Tools >
> Options > Load/Save > General, at the bottom of the panel.

Thanks. That is good to know.
tim

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Re: [users] MS-Word files as a default

[Alan Boba]

On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 9:34 PM, Tim Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I am in the process of migrating my wife from Windows XP to kubuntu 7.10.
> I believe that .odt files will be the default, but I'm wondering if there
> is a
> way to set Open Office so that any legacy .doc (MS-word) files that are
> opened and edited will be saved as .doc files.
>
> If I open and edit an MS Word document in OpenOffice 2.4 Writer and then
select "File > Save" from the menu Writer presents a prompt asking if I'd
like to save the document in Word format or save in OpenOffice format. Click
"Yes" to save in Word format.

Based on this you shouldn't need to do anything to save legacy MS Word
documents in MS Word format except save them and confirm you wish to retain
MS Word format when prompted.

Re: [users] MS-Word files as a default

[James Knott]

Tim Johnson wrote:

I am in the process of migrating my wife from Windows XP to kubuntu 7.10.
I believe that .odt files will be the default, but I'm wondering if there is a 
way to set Open Office so that any legacy .doc (MS-word) files that are 
opened and edited will be saved as .doc files. 

  


Yes, you can make Microsoft Office formats default. Click on Tools > 
Options > Load/Save > General, at the bottom of the panel.



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Re: [users] dragon speak software

[John Boyle]

To none: YES! But it is best to use Lunis Orcutt's add-ons at 
Knowbrainer.com!!! :-)


none wrote:

Will open office writer work with dragon speak software


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[users] MS-Word files as a default

[Tim Johnson]

I am in the process of migrating my wife from Windows XP to kubuntu 7.10.
I believe that .odt files will be the default, but I'm wondering if there is a 
way to set Open Office so that any legacy .doc (MS-word) files that are 
opened and edited will be saved as .doc files. 

Any comments?
Thanks
Tim

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Re: [users] Incompatibility problem with Dragon Naturally Speaking software

[John Boyle]

To Michael Adams and Rose Luckman: Why not go to Lunis Orcutt's website, 
KnowBrainer.com, and see what his add-ons would do for you, plus he has 
a forum to ask questions on, where as OOo is limited to questions on 
OOo! :-)


Michael Adams wrote:

On Sun, 17 Feb 2008 13:49:23 +
Rose Luckman wrote:

  

Dear Ooo people

My daughter would like to use OpenOffice.org with Dragon Naturally
Speaking software. Dragon Naturally speaking is voice recognition
software   At the moment she is using Ooo 1.0, but she would update it
immediately if this problem was fixed.
She uses voice recognition software because she cannot use her arms
very much - because of RSI developed as a result of computer usage! 
She finds that OpenOffice will work insofar as straightforward

composing is concerned, but that it is difficult or impossible to
correct mistakes, to scroll up and down using her voice, and to go
back to earlier material using her voice. It would be much appreciated
if this could be added to a list of things that Ooo developers might
consider fixing at some time.




The issue is one with Dragon Naturally Speaking. It is not that OO.o
doesn't support it, but that DNS does not support OO.o. OO.o has a
freely available API which allows any third party program to be
engineered easily to work with it.

  


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Re: [users] [moderated] Accessibiity

[jonathon]

On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 3:00 PM, JG-bcf  wrote:

> Wouldn't you create an accessibility mailing list?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] allegedly covers a11y issues.
I can't find the French one, which is for users, not developers.

I've come to the conclusion that the smartest option would be to write
an office suite from scratch, designed for users who have a specific
disability.  IE: Blind, deaf, limited mobility, etc.

xan

jonathon

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[users] Re: OOo needs an email client, Pegasus needs a sponsor and a text editing component

[Bob Estes]

Jerry Feldman wrote:

First IMHO: There are many excellent email clients available for all
platform, Linux, Windows, Mac, and as a result why waste valuable
resources to create, package, and maintain an OO.o email client. 


Second again IMHO: OO.o should try to interop with the major clients on
the supported platform, such as Pegasus, Thunderbird, Eudora, Evolution,
claws, etc. 


I would much rather have the OO.o team focus on the major office
components than to dilute their resources on another project. 


I completely agree.


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[users] Re: Chart data labels -the hard way?

[Victor Chapman]

Harold Fuchs wrote:


Victor Chapman wrote:
I have a data set that has positive and negative numbers. I want to 
apply a "power regression" curve fit to my data. In order to do that 
I have to transpose the numbers so that all of the data are 0 or a 
positive number. My question is how do I plot the graph so that I 
show the original data labels before the transformation?


TIA


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I haven't played with this so I may be talking through the top of my 
head but can't you generate a *separate* set of numbers transposed as 
necessary and graph *it* but using the original set as data labels?


This is what I would like to do, but if there is a way of doing this I 
can't figure out what it is.



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Re: [users] Undeletable, unopenable message

[Jack D. Lewis]

thomas steel wrote the following on 4/21/2008 4:15 PM:

Help! No-one has come to my aid in respect of an e-mail from Mark Robinson at 
users@openoffice.org which can't be opened or deleted. What can I do? T. Steel
  


Thomas,

Since you are running Windows Mail that is a question that you should 
ask on a Windows Vista forum. The OOo users mail list that you wrote to 
is for issues concerning OpenOffice.


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[users] Undeletable, unopenable message

[thomas steel]

Help! No-one has come to my aid in respect of an e-mail from Mark Robinson at 
users@openoffice.org which can't be opened or deleted. What can I do? T. Steel

[users] Help still needed!

[thomas steel]

Dear Michael: I've waded carefully through both the links you kindly sent me 
& can find nothing which relates to my endnote problem. As a tutor, don't 
you know of a site which explains this stuff in layman's terms? Or of any 
'real world' tutorial help re OO in London? Both the sites you suggested use 
endless jargon words without any attempt to translate them. My despair 
arises both from the particular messes into which I've been led by OO, but 
more generally because I've been word processing for 25 years & have 
constantly tried to learn, but now find my grasp slipping ever faster away, 
as it becomes the field of technical experts.
   But anyway I will tomorrow try your suggestion of posting a sample file 
& asking for help that way. Alas, still no response to my other OO probs. 
TS.
- Original Message - 
From: "Michael Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:22 PM
Subject: Re: [users] Help!!




Life is to short to torment yourself over a word processor, so enough
of the woe is me already.

I still think you need to grasp the concept of styles first, before you
proceed.

http://www.google.com/search?q=openoffice.org+styles+tutorial
Try this one:
http://www.pcc-services.com/tutorials/OOo/basic_styles/page1.html

In case you are wondering, i am a tutor, not a handyman. If you want a
handyman look next door. Or post a sample file to the internet so that
someone here can tell you how to modify the existing endnote style
document wide.

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:17:44 +0100
thomas steel wrote:


Thank you, Michael, for responding again. I wonder if you will have
the patience to stick with this one. I can't work out how to 'identify
para. style for endnotes', much less how to alter it. I have been
going to my endnotes & then to 'Format' & then to 'Styles &
Formatting'. Once there I am hit by several baffling items, but
nothing which seems connected in any way with what I want to do. I
really want to make this work & not to have to return to Word, but I
am in torment! TS- Original Message - 
From: "Michael Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: [users] Help!!


>
> I have replied after the relevant point (interspersed replying)
>
> On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 09:25:47 +0100
> thomas steel wrote:
>
>> Thank you so much for your help. Alas, I am even closer to despair
>> with my 3 major problems over OO. I have struggled through all the
>> style material, but can't see any connection with my endnote
>> difficulty. Is it something to do with an 'anchor'? I don't know
>what> that is and can't find it defined anywhere.
>
> All the endnotes in your document will have a given paragraph style
> applied to them. You need to identify the paragraph style used for
> the endnotes first. Then alter this paragraph style and apply the
> changes to the style for the whole document endnote styles to be
> updated.
>
>>  By the way, am I using this facility correctly by responding to
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Yes you are.
>
>> I'm sure there must be a way of filtering through to questions &
>> responses on a single issue.
>
> You could create a folder within your inbox for openoffice.org
> "user" emails. Then set a filter to filter the "user" emails to that
> folder. Finally turn threaded view on for that folder. This requires
> moderate knowledge of your email client or how to use help within
> it. Unfortunately i do not know windows mail and cannot assist you
> further in that regard.
>
>> From: "Michael Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>> > On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 17:11:08 +0100
>> > thomas steel wrote:
>> >
>> >> My other problem is that I like to use a rarish font called
>> >> Charter.
>> >> Openword happily converts documents into this, but obstinately
>> >leaves> all endnotes untouched. I have had to change these one by
>one> >(hugely> laborious, when some of my docs have 200 of them. I
>must be> >missing a> trick here. Will anyone be kind enough to help?
>T. Steel> >
>> > Looks like the styles applied in the document endnotes have not
>> > persisted through the OO.o import filter. An understanding of
>styles> > will allow you to modify the style for the endnotes once
>per> > document. A general understanding of styles will speed writing
>by> > reducing time spent on formatting text.
>> >
>> >
>http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOoAuthors_Us
>er_Manual/Writer_Guide/Introduction_to_Styles> > If that link breaks
>due to wordwrap here is a shortcut to it:> >
>http://tinyurl.com/6puexl> >
>
> -- 
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Re: [users] Office 2007 and OOXML

[Michael Adams]

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:37:44 -0700
Ganesha Bhaskara wrote:

> Folks,
> 
> If you are using Office 2007 and saving documents in .docx format, 
> please be warned that  Office 2007 is not OOXML standard compliant.
> More info here : 
> http://www.news.com/Office-2007-fails-OOXML-conformance-test/2100-7344_3-6237855.html
> 
> You would be better off saving in ODF or .doc (if you MUST  I have
> to :-( ) for now until OOXML stablilizes.
> 

Thats what i have been advising in every .docx query that i have replied
to, based on this:
http://www.sutor.com/newsite/blog-open/?p=2031

Glad to see the idea get some official backing.

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Re: [users] Downloading Open Office

[Paul]

> >> What are you using to download it. I have had good luck with download

>> express.>>
>
> i always use the torrent, and it always works fine.

I personally just use the download manager that comes built into Firefox (if
you can ever actually call it that) - never had any troubles.

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Re: [users] Help!!

[Michael Adams]

Life is to short to torment yourself over a word processor, so enough
of the woe is me already. 

I still think you need to grasp the concept of styles first, before you
proceed.

http://www.google.com/search?q=openoffice.org+styles+tutorial
Try this one:
http://www.pcc-services.com/tutorials/OOo/basic_styles/page1.html

In case you are wondering, i am a tutor, not a handyman. If you want a
handyman look next door. Or post a sample file to the internet so that
someone here can tell you how to modify the existing endnote style
document wide.

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:17:44 +0100
thomas steel wrote:

> Thank you, Michael, for responding again. I wonder if you will have
> the patience to stick with this one. I can't work out how to 'identify
> para. style for endnotes', much less how to alter it. I have been
> going to my endnotes & then to 'Format' & then to 'Styles &
> Formatting'. Once there I am hit by several baffling items, but
> nothing which seems connected in any way with what I want to do. I
> really want to make this work & not to have to return to Word, but I
> am in torment! TS- Original Message - 
> From: "Michael Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [users] Help!!
> 
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> >
> > I have replied after the relevant point (interspersed replying)
> >
> > On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 09:25:47 +0100
> > thomas steel wrote:
> >
> >> Thank you so much for your help. Alas, I am even closer to despair
> >> with my 3 major problems over OO. I have struggled through all the
> >> style material, but can't see any connection with my endnote
> >> difficulty. Is it something to do with an 'anchor'? I don't know
> >what> that is and can't find it defined anywhere.
> >
> > All the endnotes in your document will have a given paragraph style
> > applied to them. You need to identify the paragraph style used for
> > the endnotes first. Then alter this paragraph style and apply the
> > changes to the style for the whole document endnote styles to be
> > updated.
> >
> >>  By the way, am I using this facility correctly by responding to
> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > Yes you are.
> >
> >> I'm sure there must be a way of filtering through to questions &
> >> responses on a single issue.
> >
> > You could create a folder within your inbox for openoffice.org
> > "user" emails. Then set a filter to filter the "user" emails to that
> > folder. Finally turn threaded view on for that folder. This requires
> > moderate knowledge of your email client or how to use help within
> > it. Unfortunately i do not know windows mail and cannot assist you
> > further in that regard.
> >
> >> From: "Michael Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>
> >> > On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 17:11:08 +0100
> >> > thomas steel wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> My other problem is that I like to use a rarish font called
> >> >> Charter.
> >> >> Openword happily converts documents into this, but obstinately
> >> >leaves> all endnotes untouched. I have had to change these one by
> >one> >(hugely> laborious, when some of my docs have 200 of them. I
> >must be> >missing a> trick here. Will anyone be kind enough to help?
> >T. Steel> >
> >> > Looks like the styles applied in the document endnotes have not
> >> > persisted through the OO.o import filter. An understanding of
> >styles> > will allow you to modify the style for the endnotes once
> >per> > document. A general understanding of styles will speed writing
> >by> > reducing time spent on formatting text.
> >> >
> >> >
> >http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOoAuthors_Us
> >er_Manual/Writer_Guide/Introduction_to_Styles> > If that link breaks
> >due to wordwrap here is a shortcut to it:> >
> >http://tinyurl.com/6puexl> >
> >
> > -- 
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Re: [users] Re: OOo needs an email client, Pegasus needs a sponsor and a text editing component

[Fred A. Miller]

NoOp wrote:

On 04/20/2008 12:50 PM, Fred A. Miller wrote:

NoOp wrote:

On 04/18/2008 07:37 AM, Urbane Tiger wrote:


To those who say OOo should not slavishly do what Unclue Bill does, I
would point out that OOo has already done so; times were when Word,
Excel, Access and Powerpoint were discrete products, Then MS bundled
them into Office, I believe it was then that Star (hence OOo)
slavishly followed suite (sic).

And they still can install and explore the wonders of an integrated
StarOffice suite:

http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/pub/staroffice/5.2/

SO5.x uses OE as the default email client.
Assuming you haven't moved up to Linux, then you an use whatever you 
like. :)


Fred



True. But the Windows version uses OE. Drove me nuts trying to get it to
use Netscape at the time I was using it. Never did manage to get it
properly installed in linux.


Well, it may not work as well with it as OE, but the price to pay for 
using anything from the Evil Empire is simply too high! ;)


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[users] Re: DateDif function.

[NoOp]

On 04/21/2008 10:08 AM, Jerry Feldman wrote:
> I routinely take Excel spreadsheets and convert them to Calc. The 
> spreadsheets are functional specifications for a product I am working
>  on. The problem is there are a number of columns that use date 
> calculations that require the Excel DATEDIF() function.
> OpenOffice.org have roughly functions such as YEARS().  The ODF
> specification (ISO/IEC 26300:2006 Open Document Format for Office
> Applications (OpenDocument) v1.0) does define the DATEDIF() function
> AFAIK. Actually, it is a minor pain to convert these as the total
> time is about 5 mins a couple of times a month. Actually, GNUMeric
> support datedif() but GNUMeric is not supported on RHEL 4 Update 3
> that I am required to run. One of the big benefits for the spec
> writer using Excel and me using OO.o is that it catches some errors.
> The person writing the spec could use OO.o since it is installed on
> her Windows laptop, but others in the company only use Excel so we do
> need to maintain the document in MS .xls format.
> 

Perhaps 'DAYS' will get you what you want. See the example in the help
section. Also: Years, Months, Edate.

You might find this helpful:




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Re: [users] Re: OOXML

[Ross Bernheim]

On Apr 20, 2008, at 18:42, John W Kennedy wrote:

Well, there are three USBs and two Firewires. but Firewire is  
generally faster. However, unless you're transferring video files,  
you're not likely to notice -- which is the reason that the cheaper  
USB is the de-facto standard for general-purpose work.



Actually, moving large quantities of files will also show the  
difference in speed. As more and more files are several megabytes or
larger the difference is more noticeable as you move more than just a  
few small files.


As to video, there are different types of video. Compressed non-real  
time or non-streaming files are not critical as to speed or continuity  
of the stream. When you move to real time capture or editing, then the  
speed difference and Firewire's ability to guarantee the uninterrupted  
transport of the video/audio stream is critical.


USB does have the capability written into the specifications for USB  
2.0. The problem is that it is not a required part of the  
specification and unless everything on the USB chain implements it, it  
does not work.




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[users] Office 2007 and OOXML

[Ganesha Bhaskara]

Folks,

If you are using Office 2007 and saving documents in .docx format, 
please be warned that  Office 2007 is not OOXML standard compliant. More 
info here : 
http://www.news.com/Office-2007-fails-OOXML-conformance-test/2100-7344_3-6237855.html


You would be better off saving in ODF or .doc (if you MUST  I have 
to :-( ) for now until OOXML stablilizes.



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Re: [users] Re: OOo needs an email client, Pegasus needs a sponsor and a text editing component

[David Lowe]

On Apr 21, 2008, at 07:04 , Uwe Fischer wrote:

So would it be a valid approach to bundle a free and open email  
client with OOo? On the same media, in the same download file set?


	It would be valid.  It would not be preferred.  There are already  
too many complaints from incomplete downloads of the current largish  
binaries.  As well, there are endless requests from users asking to  
download individual components because getting the entire suite takes  
too long.  It would be all right to provide another package with a  
mailer, as long as the package w/o the mailer continues to be  
available.  However, that might be too much of a burden on the  
packagers.  The best solution mentioned yet on the list is the idea  
of having OOo pick an already installed mailer during install time.   
Second best would be to provide a mention in the readme and a link to  
a place to download TBird [or whatever client is chosen].



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[users] Base query vs Base SQL window ( was Re: [users] base: sql )

[Drew Jensen]

Evan Carlisle wrote:

All commands completed successfully as is; thanks.
I tried another list of commands for practice:
These each worked except for the select -- I couldn't find any output.
I also couldn't find 'basic_table2' listed in the database table window.
--
CREATE TABLE "basic_table2" (
"ID" INTEGER GENERATED BY DEFAULT AS IDENTITY(START WITH 0) NOT NULL PRIMARY
KEY,
"col" VARCHAR(30) NOT NULL,
"person" VARCHAR(30) NOT NULL,
"theme_park" VARCHAR(30) NOT
NULL,
);
INSERT INTO "basic_table2" ("col", "person", "theme_park" )
VALUES( 'disney', 'elmer j phud', 'epcot' );
select 'col' from 'basic_table2';
--

  

Hello Evan,

The SQL window under Base is specifically designed not to display any 
results, beyond possible error statements.


For executing SELECT statements you must use a Query definition. When 
you create or edit a query under Base you can choose from any of 3 modes.

The GUI query designer
Text based with escape processing enabled. ( most often used to have the 
application prompt for a value in a parameter. i.e. SELECT * from Table 
WHERE SomeField = ? )
Text based with escape processing disabled. Referred to as SQL Direct in 
the UI. This allows you to create statements that the Base query 
analyzer can not deal with. ( a common use would be for example the use 
of a UNION between two select statement )


HTH

Drew


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Re: [users] Re: OOo needs an email client, Pegasus needs a sponsor and a text editing component

[mike scott]

On 21 Apr 2008 at 20:22, Dotan Cohen wrote:

> On 21/04/2008, Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > First IMHO: There are many excellent email clients available for all
> >  platform, Linux, Windows, Mac, and as a result why waste valuable
> >  resources to create, package, and maintain an OO.o email client.
> >
> >  Second again IMHO: OO.o should try to interop with the major clients on
> >  the supported platform, such as Pegasus, Thunderbird, Eudora, Evolution,
> >  claws, etc.
> >
> >  I would much rather have the OO.o team focus on the major office
> >  components than to dilute their resources on another project.
> >
> 
> Agreed. OOo should therefore list the installed email clients and ask
> which one to make the default.
> 
> An OOo spinoff with Thunderbird would be nice, but should not be part
> of the core OOo.

FWIW I've emailed Pegasus tech support mentioning the substance of 
this discussion, and suggesting as a 'back burner idea' that they 
might consider future compatibility, on some level, of Pegasus with 
OOo.
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Re: [users] Re: OOo needs an email client, Pegasus needs a sponsor and a text editing component

[Scott Castaline]

Dotan Cohen wrote:

On 21/04/2008, Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

First IMHO: There are many excellent email clients available for all
 platform, Linux, Windows, Mac, and as a result why waste valuable
 resources to create, package, and maintain an OO.o email client.

 Second again IMHO: OO.o should try to interop with the major clients on
 the supported platform, such as Pegasus, Thunderbird, Eudora, Evolution,
 claws, etc.

 I would much rather have the OO.o team focus on the major office
 components than to dilute their resources on another project.




Agreed. OOo should therefore list the installed email clients and ask
which one to make the default.

An OOo spinoff with Thunderbird would be nice, but should not be part
of the core OOo.
  
I agree with making it a separate spin off as to me Open Source also 
means Freedom of Choice. By bundling it at the core it would tend to 
take away that Freedom of Choice, at least to the uninitiated. I think 
that taking that approach would Mickey$oft it too much, rather allow 
spin offs, and even include howtos to "integrate" an email client of 
choice. I guess this would require some interfacing of OOo with email 
client projects.

Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת

A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
  



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Re: [users] Re: OOo needs an email client, Pegasus needs a sponsor and a text editing component

[Dotan Cohen]

On 21/04/2008, Jerry Feldman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> First IMHO: There are many excellent email clients available for all
>  platform, Linux, Windows, Mac, and as a result why waste valuable
>  resources to create, package, and maintain an OO.o email client.
>
>  Second again IMHO: OO.o should try to interop with the major clients on
>  the supported platform, such as Pegasus, Thunderbird, Eudora, Evolution,
>  claws, etc.
>
>  I would much rather have the OO.o team focus on the major office
>  components than to dilute their resources on another project.
>

Agreed. OOo should therefore list the installed email clients and ask
which one to make the default.

An OOo spinoff with Thunderbird would be nice, but should not be part
of the core OOo.

Dotan Cohen

http://what-is-what.com
http://gibberish.co.il
א-ב-ג-ד-ה-ו-ז-ח-ט-י-ך-כ-ל-ם-מ-ן-נ-ס-ע-ף-פ-ץ-צ-ק-ר-ש-ת

A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

Re: [users] Undeletable message

[Jerry Feldman]

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 17:27:07 +0100
"thomas steel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I now have a new OO problem, to add to my tale of misery. A message received 
> today (from 'Mark Robinson') cannot be opened or deleted. What can I do? T 
> Steel

I don't think this i an OO.o problem. You are using Microsoft Windows
Mail (looks like on Vista).  I looked at the header of the message I
received from Mark and everything looked clean. He is using Thunderbird
on Windows. 

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[users] DateDif function.

[Jerry Feldman]

I routinely take Excel spreadsheets and convert them to Calc. The
spreadsheets are functional specifications for a product I am working
on. The problem is there are a number of columns that use date
calculations that require the Excel DATEDIF() function. OpenOffice.org
have roughly functions such as YEARS().  The ODF specification (ISO/IEC
26300:2006 Open Document Format for Office Applications (OpenDocument)
v1.0) does define the DATEDIF() function AFAIK. Actually, it is a minor
pain to convert these as the total time is about 5 mins a couple of
times a month. Actually, GNUMeric support datedif() but GNUMeric is not
supported on RHEL 4 Update 3 that I am required to run. One of the big
benefits for the spec writer using Excel and me using OO.o is that it
catches some errors. The person writing the spec could use OO.o since
it is installed on her Windows laptop, but others in the company only
use Excel so we do need to maintain the document in MS .xls format. 

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Re: [users] Re: OOo needs an email client, Pegasus needs a sponsor and a text editing component

[Jerry Feldman]

First IMHO: There are many excellent email clients available for all
platform, Linux, Windows, Mac, and as a result why waste valuable
resources to create, package, and maintain an OO.o email client. 

Second again IMHO: OO.o should try to interop with the major clients on
the supported platform, such as Pegasus, Thunderbird, Eudora, Evolution,
claws, etc. 

I would much rather have the OO.o team focus on the major office
components than to dilute their resources on another project. 

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Fw: [users] Re:Trouble with Outlook Express since downloading OOo2.4 OT Thunderbird dictionary

[Bud Oliver]

Thanks Russell.  I will try that and let you know how I make out.
Bud
HTH ?
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Subject: [users] Re:Trouble with Outlook Express since downloading OOo2.4 OT 
Thunderbird dictionary




Bud Oliver wrote:
Early on in this it was suggested the OE wasn't very good and I should 
try Thunderbird and so I did. I downloaded it and have set it so that it 
will open the saved emails and it works not only on new ones but the ones 
that I was trying to open when I started this.
The only problem I am having right now with Tbird is that I can't seem to 
be able to download a dictionary so the spell check doesn't work.

Thanks to all that tried to give me a hand with this.
Cheers,
Bud


Hi Bud
If I go to "Edit-Preferences-Composition-Spelling" there is a link to 
download more dictionaries. An English (Canadian) dictionary is listed on 
that page.


HTH

Russell


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[users] Undeletable message

[thomas steel]

I now have a new OO problem, to add to my tale of misery. A message received 
today (from 'Mark Robinson') cannot be opened or deleted. What can I do? T Steel

Re: [users] Creating tables in Base

[Drew Jensen]

David Bowman wrote:

I am trying to create a table in Base. After saving the table I can not
change a field name or type. How can I make changes?

Hello David,

Simply open the table definition for editing. In the Table section of 
the Base window select the table item and select 'Edit>Edit' this opens 
the table properties editor. In this window just change the name and 
save the file. Now - are there any times when you can not do this?


Yes. If the field is part of an index, used in a View, or is "referred 
to" in a foreign key relationship. Then you can not change the name, 
until you have dropped ( deleted ) those other objects. ( kind of makes 
sense as otherwise those other objects would be referring to a field 
that no longer exists )


Changing data types is a little different.

If the field is holding data then your ability to change type depends on 
both the current type and the type you want to change to.

Generally speaking a like type, that is larger, is allowed.
So a SmallInt can become an Ingeger or BigInt. A Varchar(50) can become 
a Varchar(100).
Making a type into a smaller type is usually not allowed, BigInt can not 
become SmallInt in other words.

Changing from a CHAR to VARCHAR is not allowed.
Changing from a Real, Float or Decimal to an Integer type is not 
allowed. ( I don't remember for the other direction, but I think it is not )


The user documentation for the HSQLdb database engine, that used in a 
default Base file, has a section on this subject and can be found at 
http://hsqldb.org


ALSO - if you make a change and the application warns you that it must 
drop the column and make a new one - understand that this will delete 
any data in that column ( field ), the data will not be moved to the new 
column and if you say OK to that warning there will be no way to recover 
the deleted data. To save the data you must do so before you make the 
change. For instance, by ADDING the new column, then using INSERT 
statements to transfer the data from the old column to the new and 
finally dropping the old. ( you can also do this using the Copy Table 
Wizard ).


I HTH - but it may raise more questions then offer answers I'm afraid. 
Let me know if that is the case.


Drew


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Re: [users] Writer - *.doc read in Writer prints even pages only!

[Brian Barker]

At 16:31 21/04/2008 +0100, Ike Dawson wrote:
I'm using OO 2.4 on a 3GHz Dell,  1 Gb Ram and 160 Gb HDD with 75% + 
free, Eudora, Win XP SP2 upto date


I received a Word 2003 document consisting of a two column wide 
variable text table.  It came as an attachment which I copied as a 
*.DOC file to HDD then edited the *.DOC file in Writer very 
successfully.  I saved it as an *.ODT leaving the edit open on screen.


The Print Preview was normal, but when I tried Print All, only the 
right hand pages printed on both the Inkjet HP895CXi and the HP Laserjet 4.


I saved the edited version from screen again this time to a USB 
stick as a Word 97 document.


I plugged the stick into an old Win98 machine, opened the document 
in Word 97, and having changed absolutely nothing, selected Print 
All to the same Inkjet printer, and it printed beautifully ... all of it.


I closed the doc on the stick, and again I changed nothing.  I just 
plugged the USB stick back into the Dell XP, opened the same file 
directly from the stick in Writer, selected Print All and once again 
it printed right hand pages only.


This isn't the first time I've had difficulty with printing from 
Writer 2.4:  regularly I have to insert a blank page as page one of 
a document to created and printed in *.ODT to get it to print.


Can anyone please suggest where I might be going wrong and what I might try?


Go to Tools | Options... | OpenOffice.org Writer | Print | Pages.  Do 
you have "Right pages" ticked but "Left pages" not ticked?  If so, 
add the tick and all should be well.  Note that this is the same 
options panel as you can reach on the fly during printing by 
selecting Options... from the Print dialogue.


This setting affects your use of Writer, of course - not the document 
itself.  So you would expect the same document to print correctly in 
another instance of suitable software, whether it be Writer or Word - 
just as you have discovered.


I trust this helps.

Brian Barker


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Re: [users] Re: OOo needs an email client, Pegasus needs a sponsor and a text editing component

[Dotan Cohen]

On 21/04/2008, NoOp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  You might find these interesting reading:
>  [snip]

Yes, I do find those interesting. Especially as I'm in the middle of
writing similar pages for my users.

>  >  Joe thinks that Outlook is part of
>  > Office. As he has committed himself to not using Office, he has
>  > committed himself to not using Outlook. Now he thinks that he has no
>  > choice but to stop using email or to continue using Office.
>
>
> If Joe already has Outlook, and is comfortable with it, there is no
>  reason that Joe needs to stop using Outlook. He/she can use OOo *and*
>  Outlook. If you want to give Joe an opensource Outlook stand-in, install
>  Evolution.

I usually give them Thunderbird (maybe 5 or 6 users) or Gmail (2
users). I personally don't use Evolution so I'm wary of suggesting it.

>  > By the way, this is a real life scenario. The first "Joe" in question
>  > is a 22-year old female student. The second "Joe" I know who expressed
>  > the same thing is a 33-year old electrician.
>
> Looks like you have some educating to do :-)

Yes, but only for the users that I have access to. The OOo installer
has access to them all. Looks like the OOo installer needs to start
educating users as well.

Dotan Cohen

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A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

Re: [users] Re: OOo needs an email client, Pegasus needs a sponsor and a text editing component

[Dotan Cohen]

On 21/04/2008, H.S. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  Yes, I second that. Also, during OOo insallation, the user may be presented
> with a list of email applications found on the system and the user may
> select one of those to be associated as the default email client with OOo.

Nice. I really like this approach.

Dotan Cohen

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Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

Re: [users] Re: OOo needs an email client, Pegasus needs a sponsor and a text editing component

[Dotan Cohen]

On 21/04/2008, Uwe Fischer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  I never could imagine that such users exist, who feel cut off from their
> email just because of OOo. Thanks for shining some light on this problem.

Neither would I. I had to see it more than once to realize how little
people understand their computers.

>  So would it be a valid approach to bundle a free and open email client with
> OOo? On the same media, in the same download file set?

Maybe it could be optional, like Java currently is optional. Or,
better yet, an OOo spinoff that includes Thunderbird. I'd already get
on it, but I don't have a Windows computer, nor am I a C developer.

Dotan Cohen

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A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

Re: [users] Re: OOo needs an email client, Pegasus needs a sponsor and a text editing component

[Dotan Cohen]

On 21/04/2008, Drew Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  AH HA - I've seen those emails here form folks saying.."I have
> Openoffice.org on my machine and I don't know how it got here!"
>  .now we know what to say back.."Ask Dotan." ;>)

Hehehe. I once installed Ubuntu telling her that it was the latest
Windows. Not to be malicious, but because I knew that she had been
brainwashed by MS and I knew that all she does is surf the web (no
email, no Office, no chat, only Firefox). Only next week, almost a
year after the install, am I going to tell her that she's been running
Linux for a year and ask if she wants to upgrade to the newest Ubuntu
8.04.

Dotan Cohen

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A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

Re: [users] Re: OOo needs an email client, Pegasus needs a sponsor and a text editing component

[Dotan Cohen]

On 21/04/2008, Joseph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > By the way, this is a real life scenario. The first "Joe" in question
> > is a 22-year old female student. The second "Joe" I know who expressed
>
>  These Joe's need to get Thunderbird.
>
>  Joseph
>

Looks like I picked a bad choice of name!

They now have Thunderbird and GMail, but that's only because I was
there to help. Jews are now celebrating Pesach, and one of the morals
of the holiday is that there is a child who does not even know how to
ask what he needs. We are to teach him, even if he does not know to
ask. Likewise with new OOo users who expect an email client. We need
to tell them where to get one, if we are unwilling to provide it
ourselves.

Dotan Cohen

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A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

[users] Writer - *.doc read in Writer prints even pages only!

[Ike Dawson]

Good Afternoon All

I'm using OO 2.4 on a 3GHz Dell,  1 Gb Ram and 160 Gb HDD with 75% + 
free, Eudora, Win XP SP2 upto date


I received a Word 2003 document consisting of a two column wide 
variable text table.  It came as an attachment which I copied as a 
*.DOC file to HDD then edited the *.DOC file in Writer very 
successfully.  I saved it as an *.ODT leaving the edit open on screen.


The Print Preview was normal, but when I tried Print All, only the 
right hand pages printed on both the Inkjet HP895CXi and the HP Laserjet 4.


I saved the edited version from screen again this time to a USB stick 
as a Word 97 document.


I plugged the stick into an old Win98 machine, opened the document in 
Word 97, and having changed absolutely nothing, selected Print All to 
the same Inkjet printer, and it printed beautifully ... all of it.


I closed the doc on the stick, and again I changed nothing.  I just 
plugged the USB stick back into the Dell XP, opened the same file 
directly from the stick in Writer, selected Print All and once again 
it printed right hand pages only.


This isn't the first time I've had difficulty with printing from 
Writer 2.4:  regularly I have to insert a blank page as page one of a 
document to created and printed in *.ODT to get it to print.


Can anyone please suggest where I might be going wrong and what I might try?

Yours aye

Ike Dawson
Gainford in Teesdale


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Re: [users] Re: OOo needs an email client, Pegasus needs a sponsor and a text editing component

[Dotan Cohen]

On 21/04/2008, James Knott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  Windows comes with Outlook Express, which is the default email app, if
> Office is not installed.

Is it easy to find? Why don't my users find it? In any case, usually
Office stays installed, they are just told not to use it.

If OOo is to replace MSO, then OOo must have a function that
replicates each major function of MSO. Again, I personally don't like
the idea of email client integration, but users are looking for it.

Maybe it's time for a ReplacementOffice Suite that includes OOo,
Thunderbird, and possibly some other utilities. Too bad I'm a Linux
guy and don't do Windows.

Dotan Cohen

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Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

[users] Re: OOo needs an email client, Pegasus needs a sponsor and a text editing component

[NoOp]

On 04/21/2008 02:41 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> On 20/04/2008, NoOp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On 04/19/2008 03:39 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote:
>>
>>  >
>>  > Here's another one:
>>  > Joe says "today I will replace MSO with Open Office". He downloads
>>  > OOo, falls in love with Writer, and decides to write to his
>>  > grandmother and tell her all about it. But, he has no email client!
>>
>>
>> Joe shouldn't be using html to send his grandmother email - but that's
>>  another issue.
>>
>>  Joe can still write his grandmother via OOo. When finished all he needs
>>  to do is File|Send|Document as Email/Email as OpenDocument Text/Email as
>>  Microsoft Word/Email as PDF.
>>
>>  Joe can use his OE, Outlook, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, Evolution, Pegasus,
>>  whatever email client... That's the point: Joe can choose to use
>>  whatever email client Joe chooses.
> 
> I never said anything about HTML. 

No you didn't. However, HTML or MS-RTF tends to be the default setting.

You might find these interesting reading:

http://www.expita.com/nomime.html
[Configuring Mail Clients to Send Plain ASCII Text]
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/307594
[Description of a new feature that users can use to read
non-digitally-signed e-mail or nonencrypted e-mail as plain text in
Office XP SP-1]

[Microsoft takes email design back 5 years]

[The truth behind the Outlook 2007 change and what you can do about it]

Joe thinks that Outlook is part of
> Office. As he has committed himself to not using Office, he has
> committed himself to not using Outlook. Now he thinks that he has no
> choice but to stop using email or to continue using Office.

If Joe already has Outlook, and is comfortable with it, there is no
reason that Joe needs to stop using Outlook. He/she can use OOo *and*
Outlook. If you want to give Joe an opensource Outlook stand-in, install
Evolution.

http://shellter.sourceforge.net/evolution/
http://www.gnome.org/projects/evolution/

> 
> By the way, this is a real life scenario. The first "Joe" in question
> is a 22-year old female student. The second "Joe" I know who expressed
> the same thing is a 33-year old electrician.
> 

Looks like you have some educating to do :-)


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[users] Re: OOo needs an email client, Pegasus needs a sponsor and a text editing component

[H.S.]

William Case wrote:


That is why I suggest; just provide Windows users of OOo a
launcher/icon/button on the toolbar that says 'email program' and in
preferences a simple locater that says "Add your favourite email
program" and be done with it.  Frankly, I keep an Evolution launcher and



Yes, I second that. Also, during OOo insallation, the user may be 
presented with a list of email applications found on the system and the 
user may select one of those to be associated as the default email 
client with OOo.


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Re: [users] OOo needs an email client, Pegasus needs a sponsor and a text editing component

[William Case]

Hi Dotan;

On Mon, 2008-04-21 at 12:55 +0300, Dotan Cohen wrote:
> On 20/04/2008, William Case <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi;
> >
> >  I am asking this sincerely, not to start a flame war.
> >
> >  I use Outlook about once a week in WinowsXP.  The rest of the time I am
> >  in Linux.  I really don't understand why people feel they need an email
> >  client as part of the OOo suite.  In my experience Outlook does nothing
> >  extra to what is available in any Linux distribution.
> >
> >  What are they looking for that I have missed?
> 
> They are not looking for something that you missed. They are looking
> for something that you found. They are looking for an email client.
> They do not know that Thunderbird or any other email client exists.
> OOo needs to say "Hey! We know that MSO had an email client, but we
> don't. Go try Thunderbird or $otherEmailClient".
> 
> Dotan Cohen
That is why I suggest; just provide Windows users of OOo a
launcher/icon/button on the toolbar that says 'email program' and in
preferences a simple locater that says "Add your favourite email
program" and be done with it.  Frankly, I keep an Evolution launcher and
a Compose launcher on my upper panel and that does everything to
duplicate the Outlook experience.

I always sympathize with the frustrations, and flusters of first time
users.  If email-client launching is giving them a hard time getting
started using OOo -- give it to them. 

Regards Bill


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Re: [users] Re: OOo needs an email client, Pegasus needs a sponsor and a text editing component

[Uwe Fischer]

Dotan Cohen wrote:

They _can_ use any email client they want, but they don't know that.
All they know is that OOo replaces MSO, and that OOo has no email
client. Note that I personally don't want OOo to include an email
client, but users don't know that they can get email clients
seperatly, or that email clients even exist! They only know that in
MSO they could do X (where X==email), and in OOo they cannot.



I never could imagine that such users exist, who feel cut off from their 
email just because of OOo. Thanks for shining some light on this problem.


So would it be a valid approach to bundle a free and open email client 
with OOo? On the same media, in the same download file set?


Uwe
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Re: [users] Re: OOo needs an email client, Pegasus needs a sponsor and a text editing component

[Girard Aquino]

won't they find out about thunderbird or other email clients sooner or 
later if they already did OOo? i think the concern here is that while it 
would indeed be nice to have your productivity suite intergrated with 
your email client, they are still two separate applications that do 
different things... i guess it's just a matter of bring up the options 
which was suggested early in the discussion about advertising 
alternatives during the installation or somewhere in OOo's usage.

Drew Jensen wrote:
> Dotan Cohen wrote:
>> Users who have never heard of
>> Thunderbird, or download.com, the only thing they know is that Dotan
>> switched out their Microsoft for OpenOffice.
>>   
>
> AH HA - I've seen those emails here form folks saying.."I have 
> Openoffice.org on my machine and I don't know how it got here!"
> .now we know what to say back.."Ask Dotan." ;>)
>


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Re: [users] Re: OOo needs an email client, Pegasus needs a sponsor and a text editing component

[Drew Jensen]

Dotan Cohen wrote:

Users who have never heard of
Thunderbird, or download.com, the only thing they know is that Dotan
switched out their Microsoft for OpenOffice.
  


AH HA - I've seen those emails here form folks saying.."I have 
Openoffice.org on my machine and I don't know how it got here!"

.now we know what to say back.."Ask Dotan." ;>)

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Re: [users] How can I export data to an Openoffice application and run it from Delphi?

[Cor Nouws]

Hello Mr. Dusselaar,

MD-Automatisering wrote (21-4-2008 12:44)


How can I run an Openoffice application from Delphi?
[...]


By using the COM-object, and using the Set keyword when assigning objects.

There are good examples at the OOo-forums:
http://user.services.openoffice.org/
http://www.oooforum.org/

Furthermore, the API of OpenOffice.org is somewhat different to that of 
Excel.

Pls see http://api.openoffice.org, and the links to the devguide etc

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You have to subscribe first, as you did for this users@ list.

There are cde snippets, such as on
http://codesnippets.services.openoffice.org/index.xml
and on the wiki, and .. there's probably more.
But I hope this helps to get on your way.

Kindest regards,
Cor

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Re: [users] Re: OOo needs an email client, Pegasus needs a sponsor and a text editing component

[Joseph]

Dotan Cohen wrote:

On 20/04/2008, NoOp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

On 04/19/2008 03:39 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote:

 >
 > Here's another one:
 > Joe says "today I will replace MSO with Open Office". He downloads
 > OOo, falls in love with Writer, and decides to write to his
 > grandmother and tell her all about it. But, he has no email client!


Joe shouldn't be using html to send his grandmother email - but that's
 another issue.

 Joe can still write his grandmother via OOo. When finished all he needs
 to do is File|Send|Document as Email/Email as OpenDocument Text/Email as
 Microsoft Word/Email as PDF.

 Joe can use his OE, Outlook, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, Evolution, Pegasus,
 whatever email client... That's the point: Joe can choose to use
 whatever email client Joe chooses.



I never said anything about HTML. Joe thinks that Outlook is part of
Office. As he has committed himself to not using Office, he has
committed himself to not using Outlook. Now he thinks that he has no
choice but to stop using email or to continue using Office.

By the way, this is a real life scenario. The first "Joe" in question
is a 22-year old female student. The second "Joe" I know who expressed
the same thing is a 33-year old electrician.

  


These Joe's need to get Thunderbird.

Joseph


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Re: [users] Re: OOo needs an email client, Pegasus needs a sponsor and a text editing component

[James Knott]

Dotan Cohen wrote:

On 20/04/2008, David Lowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

The problem i see is that the download file size is already too
large for some folks.  Why make it bigger to include a 'perk' that many
users won't want?  Also, if i like the mail client i have now, why should i
have megabytes of my hard drive taken up by something i won't use??  That
goes double for the linux users, as most of them already have TBird
installed.  Why should they need two copies?  I have nothing against the
concept of a mail client hooked into OO, but make it as an optional module.
Recall the reason that Firefox came into being was that Mozilla/Netscape had
become too bloated.  The more things it did, the slower it became.



So there will be no mistake, I agree with this 100%. However, MSO->OOo
users _expect_ an email client.
  


As I mentioned in another note, they should have Outlook Express.

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[James Knott]

Dotan Cohen wrote:

On 20/04/2008, David Lowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
  

On Apr 19, 2008, at 15:39 , Dotan Cohen wrote:




Joe says "today I will replace MSO with Open Office". He downloads
OOo, falls in love with Writer, and decides to write to his
grandmother and tell her all about it. But, he has no email client!

  

Are you saying Windoze has no email client unless MSO is installed?



I have no idea, I don't use that OS. I am saying that I've seen more
than one user think that is the case. Users who have never heard of
Thunderbird, or download.com, the only thing they know is that Dotan
switched out their Microsoft for OpenOffice. (Yes, they think that
MSO==Microsoft==Windows==Computer)

  


Windows comes with Outlook Express, which is the default email app, if 
Office is not installed.



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Re: [users] Downloading Open Office

[Girard Aquino]

i always use the torrent, and it always works fine.

Mark Robinson wrote:
> What are you using to download it. I have had good luck with download 
> express.
>
>
> Mark
>
>>> 
>
>
> If you can post the error message that you are getting it would be 
> easier to
> find out the issue.
>
> /paul
>
>
> Paul wrote:
>>> To Whom it May Concern,
>>>
>>> For the last 2 days I have been trying to download Open Office and each
>>> time I've tried it comes up with an error message. Today I left it
>>> downloading or so I thought and right at the end it came up with the 
>>> same
>>> message.
>>>
>>> Please can you advise me on the best way to download it. The package 
>>> has
>>> been highly recommeded by a friend of mine and I really want to 
>>> start using
>>> it.
>>>
>>> Best Regards
>>>
>>>
>>> Zoe Curry
>>>
>>>
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[users] OOXML & the Norwegian Vote

[Harold Fuchs]

>From today's Slashdot:

++
| The Inside Story on Norway's Yes to OOXML  |
|   from the distracted-by-short-skirt-during-brief-summer dept. |
|   posted by timothy on Sunday April 20, @19:59 (Software)  |
|   http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/04/20/2112208 |
++

[0]Steve Pepper writes "The former Chairman of the Norwegian ISO
committee, who resigned two weeks ago in protest against his country's
vote of Yes to OOXML, tells the inside story of [1]how the decision was
reached: how a single bureaucrat from Standards Norway sidelined the
overwhelming majority of Norwegian technical experts and changed Norway's
vote from No to Yes. The story is so surreal it's hard to believe." It's
as depressing as it is brief.

Discuss this story at:
http://tech.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=08/04/20/2112208

Links:
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1.
http://topicmaps.wordpress.com/2008/04/18/the-norway-vote-what-really-happened/


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[users] How can I export data to an Openoffice application and run it from Delphi?

[MD-Automatisering]

How can I run an Openoffice application from Delphi?

 

For Excel I use the following procedure:

 

procedure TfmRapportBase.actExportExcelExecute(Sender: TObject);

var

  XLApp, Sheet: Variant;

  i, r, c: integer;

  rng, fmt : string;

  f : TField;

begin

  FBusy := true;

  //hh waarom 3x ?

  Application.ProcessMessages;

  Application.ProcessMessages;

 

  FDataClone := TClientDataset.Create(self);

  try

CloneDataset;

 

XLApp := CreateOleObject('Excel.Application');

 

odExcel.InitialDir := dmDatabase.UserSjablonen;

 

// nieuw werkblad in excel aanmaken

if (odExcel.InitialDir <> '') and odExcel.Execute

then XLApp.Workbooks.Add(odExcel.FileName)

else XLApp.Workbooks.Add(xlWBatWorkSheet);

 

// werkblad een naam geven

Sheet := XLApp.Workbooks[1].WorkSheets[1];

 

if Manager.DescribeData <> ''

then Sheet.Name := Copy(Manager.DescribeData, 1, 31); // Maximaal 31
karakters!

 

r := 1;

Sheet.Cells[r,1] := Manager.DescribeData;

if Manager.ProduktOmschrijving <> '' then Sheet.Cells[r+1,1] :=
Manager.ProduktOmschrijving;

 

if Manager.Filtering

then Sheet.Cells[r,4] := Manager.FilterDescription;

 

// PM r op 4 gezet ivm ProduktOmschrijving

r := 4;

c := 1;

for i := 0 to FDataClone.FieldCount-1 do

begin

  f := FDataClone.Fields[i];

  if f.Visible

 

  then begin

rng := ColumName(c);

Sheet.Columns[rng+':'+rng].Select;

 

//TODO: column format

fmt := '';   //default

 

if (f is TIntegerField)

then fmt := '0'

else if (f is TNumericField)

then fmt := Fmt4Excel((f as TNumericField).DisplayFormat)

else if (f is TStringField)

then fmt := '@';

 

if fmt = '#.0' then

   fmt := '#.##0,0'

else

if fmt = '#.#0' then

   fmt := '#.##0,00'

else

if fmt = '#.##0' then

   fmt := '#.##0,000'

else

if fmt = '#.###0' then

   fmt := '#.##0,'

else

if fmt = '#.0' then

   fmt := '#.##0,0'

else

if fmt = '#.#0' then

   fmt := '#.##0,00';

 

if fmt <> ''

   then xlapp.selection.NumberFormat := fmt;

 

Sheet.Cells[r,c] := f.DisplayName;

inc(c);

  end;

end;

 

rng := ColumName(c);  // overbodigjes

 

Sheet.PageSetup.PrintTitleRows := 'A1:'+rng+inttostr(r);

 

ggProgress.Visible := true;

 

try

  FDataClone.First;

 

  inc(r);

 

  ggProgress.MaxValue := FDataClone.RecordCount;

 

//  Manager.ClientDataSet.DisableControls;

//  OldRecNo := Manager.ClientDataSet.RecNo;

  FDataClone.First;

  while Fbusy and not FDataClone.Eof

  do begin

ggProgress.Progress := FDataClone.Recno;

Application.ProcessMessages;

 

c := 1;

for i := 0 to FDataClone.FieldCount-1 do

  if FDataClone.Fields[i].Visible

  then begin

try

  Sheet.Cells[r,c] := GetExcelValue(FDataClone.Fields[i]);

except

  on e: Exception do Sheet.Cells[r,c] := e.Message;

end;

inc(c);

  end;

inc(r);

FDataClone.Next;

  end;

 

  Sheet.Columns.Autofit;

 

  if Fbusy

  then ModalResult := mrOk;  // geen fouten en EOF, dan dialoog dicht

 

finally

  XLApp.Visible := True;

end;

 

  finally

FreeAndNil(FDataClone);

ggProgress.Visible := false;

FBusy := false;

  end;

end;

 

 

 

With regards

 

M.J. Dusselaar

 

Re: [users] Help!!

[thomas steel]

Thank you, Michael, for responding again. I wonder if you will have the 
patience to stick with this one. I can't work out how to 'identify para. 
style for endnotes', much less how to alter it. I have been going to my 
endnotes & then to 'Format' & then to 'Styles & Formatting'. Once there I am 
hit by several baffling items, but nothing which seems connected in any way 
with what I want to do. I really want to make this work & not to have to 
return to Word, but I am in torment! TS
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From: "Michael Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: [users] Help!!




I have replied after the relevant point (interspersed replying)

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 09:25:47 +0100
thomas steel wrote:


Thank you so much for your help. Alas, I am even closer to despair
with my 3 major problems over OO. I have struggled through all the
style material, but can't see any connection with my endnote
difficulty. Is it something to do with an 'anchor'? I don't know what
that is and can't find it defined anywhere.


All the endnotes in your document will have a given paragraph style
applied to them. You need to identify the paragraph style used for the
endnotes first. Then alter this paragraph style and apply the
changes to the style for the whole document endnote styles to be
updated.


 By the way, am I using this facility correctly by responding to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Yes you are.


I'm sure there must be a way of filtering through to questions &
responses on a single issue.


You could create a folder within your inbox for openoffice.org "user"
emails. Then set a filter to filter the "user" emails to that folder.
Finally turn threaded view on for that folder. This requires moderate
knowledge of your email client or how to use help within it.
Unfortunately i do not know windows mail and cannot assist you further
in that regard.


From: "Michael Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 17:11:08 +0100
> thomas steel wrote:
>
>> My other problem is that I like to use a rarish font called
>> Charter.
>> Openword happily converts documents into this, but obstinately
>leaves> all endnotes untouched. I have had to change these one by one
>(hugely> laborious, when some of my docs have 200 of them. I must be
>missing a> trick here. Will anyone be kind enough to help? T. Steel
>
> Looks like the styles applied in the document endnotes have not
> persisted through the OO.o import filter. An understanding of styles
> will allow you to modify the style for the endnotes once per
> document. A general understanding of styles will speed writing by
> reducing time spent on formatting text.
>
> 
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOoAuthors_User_Manual/Writer_Guide/Introduction_to_Styles
> If that link breaks due to wordwrap here is a shortcut to it:
> http://tinyurl.com/6puexl
>


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[users] Understanding Users! [WAS: Re: OOo needs an email client...]

[Alan Lord]

Dotan Cohen wrote:



They are not looking for something that you missed. They are looking
for something that you found. They are looking for an email client.
They do not know that Thunderbird or any other email client exists.
OOo needs to say "Hey! We know that MSO had an email client, but we
don't. Go try Thunderbird or $otherEmailClient".


I now understand where this is coming from :-)

Being tied to IT and computers since before I was weaned I just never 
thought about the user who doesn't know about something called an "Email 
client". Thanks. That has opened my eyes significantly.


+1 to the collaborative marketing suggestion between TB and OOo.

In another reply you said:


Actually, she doesn't care. She is trained to think that viruses are a
normal, expected part of computing. It drives me nuts. MS does this on
purpose, to support the antimalware industry, which in turn supports
MS by not recommending secure operating systems and applications.
Because if people used secure software, then the antimalware industry
itself would become irrelevant. It's all a money machine, to get the
user to buy more software, and then to buy more expensive hardware to
run it all.


I wholeheartedly agree. Concise and to the point!

On a slightly different note but certainly related, I was very heartened 
this weekend. After going to party of "40 somethings" - many of them 
whom I would not have expected to - were quite familiar with OOo and 
generally interested in the whole Open Source proposition :-)


I've mentioned it on my blog - link below.

Cheers

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Re: [users] Re: OOo needs an email client, Pegasus needs a sponsor and a text editing component

[Dotan Cohen]

On 21/04/2008, NoOp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 04/19/2008 05:59 PM, Drew Jensen wrote:
>
>  >
>  > Second - Joe's grandma might like getting emails from Joe with fancy
>  > fonts, inline images, heck maybe even an embedded sound
>  > file...HTML..that's a start.
>
>
> I'll bet if grandma is using Windows that she won't like the viruses,
>  trojans, or additional spam as a result. As I said "that's
>  another issue"...
>

Actually, she doesn't care. She is trained to think that viruses are a
normal, expected part of computing. It drives me nuts. MS does this on
purpose, to support the antimalware industry, which in turn supports
MS by not recommending secure operating systems and applications.
Because if people used secure software, then the antimalware industry
itself would become irrelevant. It's all a money machine, to get the
user to buy more software, and then to buy more expensive hardware to
run it all.

Dotan Cohen

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A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

Re: [users] Re: OOo needs an email client, Pegasus needs a sponsor and a text editing component

[Dotan Cohen]

On 21/04/2008, Bob Estes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  When you install MS Office, Outlook asks if you want to make Word the
> default text editor.  By selecting "Yes" you not only get Word as the text
> editor, you get to use Words spell checker.  Thunderbird could incorporate
> this same feature with respect to Writer.  Since this would be a feature in
> Thunderbird, it would need to be done by the Thunderbird developers instead
> of the OO.o developers.

What if Tbird was installed and used _before_ OOo?

>  I also agree with another post which suggested placing a message on the
> OO.o download site recommending Thunderbird/Lightning as an email/calender
> program.  There should also be a link to the Thunderbird download site.

I am in total agreement.

Dotan Cohen

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A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

Re: [users] OOo needs an email client, Pegasus needs a sponsor and a text editing component

[Dotan Cohen]

On 20/04/2008, William Case <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi;
>
>  I am asking this sincerely, not to start a flame war.
>
>  I use Outlook about once a week in WinowsXP.  The rest of the time I am
>  in Linux.  I really don't understand why people feel they need an email
>  client as part of the OOo suite.  In my experience Outlook does nothing
>  extra to what is available in any Linux distribution.
>
>  What are they looking for that I have missed?

They are not looking for something that you missed. They are looking
for something that you found. They are looking for an email client.
They do not know that Thunderbird or any other email client exists.
OOo needs to say "Hey! We know that MSO had an email client, but we
don't. Go try Thunderbird or $otherEmailClient".

Dotan Cohen

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A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

Re: [users] Re: OOo needs an email client, Pegasus needs a sponsor and a text editing component

[Dotan Cohen]

On 20/04/2008, Johnny Rosenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Well, then OpenOffice.org really needs to be able to produce decent HTML.
>  Today it's quite ridiculous. I have a few funny examples...

File a bug, and attach the funny examples to the bug reports.

Dotan Cohen

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Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

Re: [users] Re: OOo needs an email client, Pegasus needs a sponsor and a text editing component

[Dotan Cohen]

On 20/04/2008, David Lowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The problem i see is that the download file size is already too
> large for some folks.  Why make it bigger to include a 'perk' that many
> users won't want?  Also, if i like the mail client i have now, why should i
> have megabytes of my hard drive taken up by something i won't use??  That
> goes double for the linux users, as most of them already have TBird
> installed.  Why should they need two copies?  I have nothing against the
> concept of a mail client hooked into OO, but make it as an optional module.
> Recall the reason that Firefox came into being was that Mozilla/Netscape had
> become too bloated.  The more things it did, the slower it became.

So there will be no mistake, I agree with this 100%. However, MSO->OOo
users _expect_ an email client.

Dotan Cohen

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Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

Re: [users] Help!!

[Michael Adams]

I have replied after the relevant point (interspersed replying)

On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 09:25:47 +0100
thomas steel wrote:

> Thank you so much for your help. Alas, I am even closer to despair
> with my 3 major problems over OO. I have struggled through all the
> style material, but can't see any connection with my endnote
> difficulty. Is it something to do with an 'anchor'? I don't know what
> that is and can't find it defined anywhere.

All the endnotes in your document will have a given paragraph style
applied to them. You need to identify the paragraph style used for the
endnotes first. Then alter this paragraph style and apply the
changes to the style for the whole document endnote styles to be
updated.

>  By the way, am I using this facility correctly by responding to 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Yes you are. 

> I'm sure there must be a way of filtering through to questions &
> responses on a single issue.

You could create a folder within your inbox for openoffice.org "user"
emails. Then set a filter to filter the "user" emails to that folder.
Finally turn threaded view on for that folder. This requires moderate
knowledge of your email client or how to use help within it.
Unfortunately i do not know windows mail and cannot assist you further
in that regard.

> From: "Michael Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> > On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 17:11:08 +0100
> > thomas steel wrote:
> >
> >> My other problem is that I like to use a rarish font called
> >> Charter.
> >> Openword happily converts documents into this, but obstinately
> >leaves> all endnotes untouched. I have had to change these one by one
> >(hugely> laborious, when some of my docs have 200 of them. I must be
> >missing a> trick here. Will anyone be kind enough to help? T. Steel
> >
> > Looks like the styles applied in the document endnotes have not
> > persisted through the OO.o import filter. An understanding of styles
> > will allow you to modify the style for the endnotes once per
> > document. A general understanding of styles will speed writing by
> > reducing time spent on formatting text.
> >
> > http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOoAuthors_User_Manual/Writer_Guide/Introduction_to_Styles
> > If that link breaks due to wordwrap here is a shortcut to it:
> > http://tinyurl.com/6puexl
> >

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Re: [users] Re: OOo needs an email client, Pegasus needs a sponsor and a text editing component

[Dotan Cohen]

On 20/04/2008, David Lowe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Apr 19, 2008, at 15:39 , Dotan Cohen wrote:
>
>
> > Joe says "today I will replace MSO with Open Office". He downloads
> > OOo, falls in love with Writer, and decides to write to his
> > grandmother and tell her all about it. But, he has no email client!
> >
>
> Are you saying Windoze has no email client unless MSO is installed?

I have no idea, I don't use that OS. I am saying that I've seen more
than one user think that is the case. Users who have never heard of
Thunderbird, or download.com, the only thing they know is that Dotan
switched out their Microsoft for OpenOffice. (Yes, they think that
MSO==Microsoft==Windows==Computer)

Dotan Cohen

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A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

Re: [users] Re: OOo needs an email client, Pegasus needs a sponsor and a text editing component

[Dotan Cohen]

On 20/04/2008, Drew Jensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  First - even if an email client is bundled - and I hope it is much more
> then an email client, as in calendar ( a real one for business use ) and a
> decent PIM...
>  but - even if it is bundled Joe can still use any other one he wants. What
> is wrong with saying that if you use 'this one' there will be some extra
> perks built right in.

They _can_ use any email client they want, but they don't know that.
All they know is that OOo replaces MSO, and that OOo has no email
client. Note that I personally don't want OOo to include an email
client, but users don't know that they can get email clients
seperatly, or that email clients even exist! They only know that in
MSO they could do X (where X==email), and in OOo they cannot.

>  Second - Joe's grandma might like getting emails from Joe with fancy fonts,
> inline images, heck maybe even an embedded sound file...HTML..that's a
> start.
>
>  If you don't want HTML emails, fine turn it off, strip out the text...but
> others do want that.

Again, I don't see where HTML is an issue here.

Dotan Cohen

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Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

Re: [users] Re: OOo needs an email client, Pegasus needs a sponsor and a text editing component

[Dotan Cohen]

On 20/04/2008, NoOp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 04/19/2008 03:39 PM, Dotan Cohen wrote:
>
>  >
>  > Here's another one:
>  > Joe says "today I will replace MSO with Open Office". He downloads
>  > OOo, falls in love with Writer, and decides to write to his
>  > grandmother and tell her all about it. But, he has no email client!
>
>
> Joe shouldn't be using html to send his grandmother email - but that's
>  another issue.
>
>  Joe can still write his grandmother via OOo. When finished all he needs
>  to do is File|Send|Document as Email/Email as OpenDocument Text/Email as
>  Microsoft Word/Email as PDF.
>
>  Joe can use his OE, Outlook, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, Evolution, Pegasus,
>  whatever email client... That's the point: Joe can choose to use
>  whatever email client Joe chooses.

I never said anything about HTML. Joe thinks that Outlook is part of
Office. As he has committed himself to not using Office, he has
committed himself to not using Outlook. Now he thinks that he has no
choice but to stop using email or to continue using Office.

By the way, this is a real life scenario. The first "Joe" in question
is a 22-year old female student. The second "Joe" I know who expressed
the same thing is a 33-year old electrician.

Dotan Cohen

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A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?

Re: [users] Help!!

[thomas steel]

Thank you so much for your help. Alas, I am even closer to despair with my 3 
major problems over OO. I have struggled through all the style material, but 
can't see any connection with my endnote difficulty. Is it something to do 
with an 'anchor'? I don't know what that is and can't find it defined 
anywhere.
By the way, am I using this facility correctly by responding to 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm sure there must be a way of filtering through to 
questions & responses on a single issue. Tom Steel.
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From: "Michael Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 9:49 PM
Subject: Re: [users] Help!!



On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 17:11:08 +0100
thomas steel wrote:


My other problem is that I like to use a rarish font called
Charter.
Openword happily converts documents into this, but obstinately leaves
all endnotes untouched. I have had to change these one by one (hugely
laborious, when some of my docs have 200 of them. I must be missing a
trick here. Will anyone be kind enough to help? T. Steel


Looks like the styles applied in the document endnotes have not
persisted through the OO.o import filter. An understanding of styles
will allow you to modify the style for the endnotes once per document. A
general understanding of styles will speed writing by reducing time
spent on formatting text.

http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOoAuthors_User_Manual/Writer_Guide/Introduction_to_Styles
If that link breaks due to wordwrap here is a shortcut to it:
http://tinyurl.com/6puexl

--
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Re: [users] Re: OOo needs an email client, Pegasus needs a sponsor and a text editing component

[mike scott]

On 19 Apr 2008 at 22:00, David Lowe wrote:
...
> make it as an optional module.  Recall the reason that Firefox came  
> into being was that Mozilla/Netscape had become too bloated.  The  
> more things it did, the slower it became.

And now, by popular demand, seamonkey has come into existence.

Just like "hi-fi's" - some people want separates, some want a fully 
integrated monolithic system. Neither is right, neither wrong.

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Re: [users] OOo needs an email client, Pegasus needs a sponsor and a text editing component

[mike scott]

On 20 Apr 2008 at 10:06, William Case wrote:

> Hi;
> 
> I am asking this sincerely, not to start a flame war.
> 
> I use Outlook about once a week in WinowsXP.  The rest of the time I am
> in Linux.  I really don't understand why people feel they need an email
> client as part of the OOo suite.  In my experience Outlook does nothing
> extra to what is available in any Linux distribution.
> 
> What are they looking for that I have missed?

It's purely down to personal taste.

Some people, like me(*), regard OOo as a way of producing documents.

Some people regard it as a complete "office OS" where they can do 
everything they need to do at the office - doc prep, email, whatever -
 without leaving their "office software".

The two camps seem to talk at cross purposes rather a lot :-) The 
problem being, there is no right or wrong, it's just down to what 
best suits the individual.

(*) not that I'm totally against inclusion of a mail client, provided 
it didn't detract from development of the rest of the package. Like 
most other things, I'd look and use what best suited me.

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Re: [users] standard features access is not good

[mike scott]

On 18 Apr 2008 at 12:05, Dan Systad wrote:

> i CAN'T FOR THE LIFE OF ME FIND AN EASY WAY TO SIMPLY ADD NUMBERS TO MY 
> LETTER...
> 
> 
> You can easily insert the page number of the next page in a footer by 
> using a field.

1. Please don't SHOUT. Lower case characters are generally far more 
intelligible, and some people construe all-upper-case as being rude.

2 It's not clear what your problem is. If you're trying to insert a 
page number, then Insert | Fields | Page Number seems quite easy to 
me. If this isn't your problem, please could you clarify what you are 
trying to achieve?

3. F1 brings up the help system, which is always worth a look.

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therefore miss answers. http://www.openoffice.org/mail_list.html for 
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