Re: [users] .ppt vs.pps
On 28Feb2010, at 1:02 AM, Brian Barker wrote: I haven't used either for a while, but last time I did .pps opened normally in MSSlideShow (V2003) whereas .ppt didn't. Like me, Microsoft don't appear to have heard of their product called SlideShow; do you know something we don't? Sorry I had a moment where I could use the name for a power outlet as the MSproduct Regards and Thanks Keith Bainbridge PO Box 324 BELMONT, Vic 3216, Australia +61(0)3 5241-1881 0408-522-706 kei...@akrb.name - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
[users] Difference between default, text body and text body indent para styles
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Up until now my word processor of choice has been WordPerfect 5.1, which dates from 1990. While it is DOS based it is possible to use it on most distributions of Linux through a DOS emulator. Doing so was fine as long as I did not have to share and integrate my written work with others. Lately however that limitation (and others) have become so overwhelming that I could no longer postpone converting to something else for word processing. I decided that I had to choose a word processor the files of which could be converted for use on a proprietary word processor which I was given to understand only works on a number of apparently popular operating systems -- and vice versa. So I really felt I had no option but to learn OpenOffice.org (OOo). In 1998 I converted from DOS to Linux; I have never used any other operating systems except those two. I was told that I would have no problem learning OOo; it is just like that proprietary word processor already referred to, which of course I have never used. Ha! OOo is completely different from my beloved WP 5.1, the former with its styles, templates, etc. So I installed OOo 3.1.1 in my computer, which has the Debian Lenny distribution of Linux. I also purchased two books, Getting Started with OOo3 and OOo3 Writer Guide, which -- along with OOo help -- I am finding hard going. I have spent the last two months off and on learning OOo with some success, as so far I have managed to create two usable documents; but there is much about OOo I do not understand. I am only now figuring out the questions I need to ask, to understand styles in particular. So please all, indulge me if I ask seemingly silly questions, as there is much in OOo which is not intuitive to me. The first questions: I do not understand the difference between default, text body and text body indent paragraph styles. It seems that OOo sometimes selects default as the default paragraph style, at other times selects text body. Are there situations where one should be used over the other? What should text body indent be used for? All help gratefully received. Ken Heard -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkuKPVsACgkQlNlJzOkJmTd/ZACfTRPF8NFpXpONo+8KacwAlhlH F9wAnj7XzlSpfwtMk6EVtPVhjsJCr9lW =GnSV -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
[users] how to create a hanging indent
As far as I know, the thing is called in English a hanging indent. You have a number (may NOT be consecutive), an asterix, a symbol or whatever at the left margin, then a tab stop to the text. If the following text covers several lines, the left margin of the text should be aligned with the tab stop. Something like the following. * I tried all sorts of predefined paragraph / list styles but could not find any that would do the trick. In particular since I DO NOT want OO to put numbers or symbols there. My endeavors of creating such a style have so far failed and the official documentation does not contain the keyword hanging indent. Has this a different name under OpenOffice? If the trick is possible, I would really like to know how it is done. Thank you. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] how to create a hanging indent
On Feb 28, 2010, at 10:58 , Thomas Blasejewicz wrote: Has this a different name under OpenOffice? If the trick is possible, I would really like to know how it is done. Hi Thomas: I thought it was just called an indent and I have four buttons which I think can affect it. One is Numbering on/off which in 3.2 is just to the right of the left/center/right/justified icons and has the roman numerals I and II plus lines representing text. Next to this is Bullets on/off, which has two little blue bullets and four lines representing text. Next to them are Decrease indent and Increase indent. And don't forget that under Format/Paragraph/Indents and Spacing you can set the first line to indent and I think you can set it to outdent by using a negative number. You can. But don't forget then you must have your margin inset by at least the amount of the indent. //James - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] soffice.bin = highly dangerous??
2010/2/27 M Henri Day mhenri...@gmail.com: 2010/2/27 Hagar de l'Est hagar_de_l...@openoffice.org Agreed. But sometimes, this kind of electroshock with strong words can trigger something. Perhaps that out of curiosity, the OP will check about GNU/Linux distros and try a live-CD then make a dual boot and conclude that Windows is not the only OS worth using in the world. :-)) Le 27/02/2010 18:04, M Henri Day a écrit : 2010/2/27 Hagar de l'Esthagar_de_l...@openoffice.org I've never said that GNU/Linux is bug-free. Le 27/02/2010 17:30, Dotan Cohen a écrit : For the crappy OS, I rather agree too! Windows is sold in many shops, it's not really bug free and it can lead to additional costs (anti-virus, firewall, anti-spywares, ...). The underlying message was in fact: check other OSes like GNU/Linux (they don't need all these security applications). But it depends on your use of your computer perhaps. Linux is bug-free? Hahaha! To the OP: it is not uncommon for anti-[virus/malware/etc] programs to flag FOSS software as FOSS software devs generally don't register their products with these companies. That does not mean that all FOSS software is 100% safe, but anti-* programs' warnings are in no way indicative of problems. I agree (with apologies to Eric Arthur Blair) that 1) all OS have problems, but that 2) some have more problems than others. But calling the OS that a poster is using «crappy» probably does little to help him or her resolve a concrete problem - and is in this case, particularly egregious, as the OP pointed out that he also used an alternative. Let us concentrate on helping each other - that should provide adequate room for our creativity !... Henri But note, Hagar, that the OP indicated in his viery first posting that «[r]ecently I installed OO32 on both my Windows machines (plus a Linuxmachine)» (if I remember correctly, Ubuntu Jaunty), so presumably he is already aware of the fact that Windows OS are not the only ones worth using. Besides, my professional experience - and the little insight I have into the way I myself work - indicates to me that on the contrary, words like «crappy» tend to make the recipient less rather than more likely to accept a suggestion. I believe that I was the one who first said that crappy OS thing. However I didn't make any suggestions at all, if I recall correctly. I guess that was a good thing then. I certainly never mentioned ”Linux”, since not every non-microsoft OS is Linux, and why would I? The OP already had Linux, so I am sure he know what it is, or at least what it is in his case. Regards Johnny Rosenberg Which leads me to the next problem - how can I remind you that we usually bottom-post on this list without putting you on the defensive ?... Henri - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: soffice.bin = highly dangerous??
Twayne wrote: snip I happen to agree with that, but I still don't use Linux in any mainstream way. Bugs and market share etc., aside, Linux is good for those who run certain programs only and consistantly and the distro includes any drivers they might need to support, or they can at least be downloaded and added to the OS. Unfortunately for most serious computer users though, unless you were brought up on Linux of any flavor, it just doesn't fit the bill. This is bunk. Without getting into a OS flame-war kind of exchange, this is just a dumb comment and cannot pass unchallenged. I was brought up on Windows 3.1 and then '95 and encountered Red Hat 7.2, then Slackware and then Debian. Since adopting Slackware 8.1 way back when, the only time I have to use MS is when I go to work. On my GNU/Linux machine I have completed all course requirements for my MSc, have web surfed and researched, corresponded, enjoyed multimedia, programmed with Python, Lisp, C and Scheme (PLT) and played countless games of varying levels of complexity and eye-candy. This would suggest therefore, that: (a) I was not raised on GNU/Linux (although I think that if kids want to learn about computers, they should learn either GNU/Linux or a *BSD flavour and NOT MS), and (b) all of the uses described surely count as serious use and is not restricted to certain uses. Your claims are a nonsense. Hence the challenge. In my case it's mostly the lack of drivers for software and hardware I use, and/or software I cannot easily replace and get the same functionality I had on windows. LInux is more or less a roll your own OS and depends on the user being able to roll his own, which is technical ability most users don't have. Again, this is a nonsense and based on some old myths or just your personal poor experiences. Almost all distros are easy to install, work right out of the box and adapt quickly and painlessly to the specifics of your hardware and machine architecture. When was the last time you tried installing Windows from scratch? I've done so several times with Vista (because it just stops operating on a laptop after a period of time for no apparent reason!) and it is Hell, takes ages and then is crippled through a lack of any decent functionality ... including drivers and additional (necessary) packages. This is primarily because the code base in MS is crappy and that coding errors for memory (mis)allocations is passed onto the third party suppliers in terms of compliance to the MS API. Once you get into the nitty gritty of getting it to do what you need an OS to do and support, it just plain falls down on its face in my case. That's probably because you just don't know how to use it. Perhaps it's not point-and-click enough for you, or maybe because it doesn't restrict your computing freedom to pre-designed limited options and regards the user as a competent individual user who can make up her/his own mind about their own machine? Several software programs just don't have Linux drivers, a fair amount of hardware likewise, and the program offerings from LInux just can't meet or beat the requirements of my needs. If the pieces and portions of things do turn out to be available, it can be a real hassle to just get them installed and functioning right, too. Again, your mileage clearly varies from that of other GNU/Linux users I interact with via such lists and fora. Perhaps if you had specific issues you could raise those with the relevant distro user community? More specifically, I need PHotoShop and PaintShop Pro for the features each provides. There just are NOT any LInux offerings yet which can replace those required functionalities. The GIMP pretty much parallels the functionality of Photoshop and in many instances, exceeds it. In any event, you will find most graphic designers who do this as serious users will use a Mac OSX, which is based on UNIX as are GNU/Linux and the *BSD variants. They won't use MS at all. A printer, TV tuner and two PCI cards of mine simply have no Linux counterparts and thus become useless boat anchors, which is unacceptable as I earn money with those. You'd have to be more specific than that - chances are they can be configured, but you don't provide enough info for me/ us to be able to offer help. Linux is not something to be jumped into blindly and without substantial pre-planning to be sure it'll deliver the things you need and that are most important to you. Someday I nope it will, but it just isn't there yet. That could be said about anything. I would also suggest that it is *you* who is not ready - the OS itself is doing just fine. I'm at the point where I have reasonably acceptable alternatives to ALL of the MS software I used to use except fo the OS LInux. Don't understand what you are getting at here. So MS still have a strangtle-hold on me for their OS. MS has a strnglehold on you. Period.
Re: [users] how to create a hanging indent
On Feb 28, 2010, at 10:58 , Thomas Blasejewicz wrote: As far as I know, the thing is called in English a hanging indent. Incidentally, Thomas, if you are looking for alternatives to the numbering systems and/or bullets offered, there has recently been a significant discussion here on how to change bullets. Perhaps someone who was involved in that discussion can give some pointers to, say, subject, so you can search the archives, or even send you the A4 summary. //James - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] soffice.bin = highly dangerous??
Thomas Blasejewicz wrote: Recently I installed OO32 on both my Windows machines (plus a Linux machine). Under Windows I have VirusBuster running. In more or less regular intervals a little window opens in the right lower corner of the screen, telling me (since I am running a Japanese system, the message is in Japanese) that something called soffice.bin is trying to access the system files and VirusBuster has blocked that attempt. And: VirusBuster marks this event as highly dangerous. This did NOT happen with what I used before: OOo2.3. What is this all about? IS OO32 actually dangerous? What is this soffice.bin trying to do? In other words ... what am I supposed to do about it? Thank you. Thomas - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org Forgive my ignorance about using anti-virus software packages - I don't use them and haven't since I last used MS more moons ago than I care to count - but, most are trainable are they not? A given signature shows up as dangerous, but can be manually over-ridden by the user so that future scans can either skip over that signature or can check it off against its white list. This could therefore be down to: (i) the anti-virus software you have doesn't learn - in which case, it is no good. You will need an AV that can adapt to its changed environment. (ii) the way that soffice is recorded in MS registery and good luck with that: the MS registry is an exercise in obfuscation. (iii) or install another AV system (remove the one you have first - they tend not to play very nicely together) and rescan and see if the same problem occurs. I think that there is some freebie AV which is pretty good (AVG perhaps?), but I'm sure others here who use 'em could recommend a viable alternative (other than Norton or McAfee). HTH. AG - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] how to create a hanging indent
Format Paragraph Indent Before text: 5 mm [or whatever indent you want] After text: 0 First line: -5 mm [i.e. the same amount as “Before text” only minus] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] OT and Linux related Re: Re: soffice.bin = highly dangerous??
Twayne wrote: snip The major issue is if the software you want is available on the platform of choice. No; the features and functions I NEED, not want, is the key there. MS still have the corner on several things LInux hasn't yet opened up. It may someday, but ... not yet. If you are serious about this, then perhaps you could furnish a list of the software you NEED. The chances are, unless it is a proprietary code-base, there are similarly functioning FOSS packages out there. Similarly, many of the distros like Ubuntu and OpenSUSE and Fedora tend to have an incredible range of hardware that they will work with out of the box. For the majority of home users, and front office corporate employees, FLOSS alternatives are equal to, or better than those from Microsoft. FOSS or FLOSS doesn't matter; From your (limited) user perspective that may be the case. But, in all seriousness, the issue of Free and Open Source Software *does* matter, and it matters very much given the larger scope of things. For example, given the recently leaked spybook from MS (search wikileaks), one should be very concerned about how your closed source OS collects data about you and your usage of what remains, ultimately, their machine (read the EULA of the next Windows install you do). Moreover, there are significant ethical issues that emerge from the closed profit-making use of what is, effectively, human intellectual property - not anything that is owned by any one corporation to the exclusion of everyone else. MS stands on the shoulders of giants, but it would have you believe that it got there all by itself in a sealed bubble. it's the features and functions one NEEDS that are the crux of it all. I go open source, GPL, anything open source first, and if it can do what I NEED it to do, then great. This is hard to believe considering your earlier report of how GNU/Linux keeps falling over for you (it just plain falls down on its face in my case. ). I suspect that somehow you won't be putting a lot of effort into finding something that works on a system that falls down on you frequently. If unfortunately I can only find those things from a proprietary company, well, that's life. FLOSS alternatives are as good as the authors and contributors of the programs and it has little to do with being better because it's FLOSS or MICROSOFT or whomever; Again, this is FUD. If you've ever programmed anything you will realise that no matter what - bugs creep into the code. Having numerous people able to scrutinise that code makes that code a lot more robust and generally secure (at least in terms of the usual buffer overflows, etc.) than code that is sealed under proprietary ownership laws, where one team of developers is not allowed to see what the other teams are working on due to security risks, etc. Moreover, you will find that in study after study (except for those funded by MS), bug fixes are rolled out faster in FOSS world and that security breaches are corrected for quicker. it's functionality that is key. There just is no panacea that's going to be turn key in any way for any large group; perhaps groups within a group, but not 100%. Pass - no idea what you're on about. My requirements are modest: It should never be single-sourced as in a Microsoft product whenever possible and more importantly must support the NEEDED features and functions it is being pursued for. The greatest program in the world is of no use or interest to me if it doesn't provide features and functionality that I need. Again, very confused/ confusing and states the obvious about software features, etc. For the majority of back office server usage, propriety and FLOSS solutions are on a par. That's debatable, misdirects original generalities into specifics and basically changes the flavor of the thread. As such, it's of no use to this conversation. Actually, it is relevant and you opened the door for this by your ridiculous claim that you made about GNU/Linux when you wrote: Linux is good for those who run certain programs only and consistantly and the distro includes any drivers they might need to support, or they can at least be downloaded and added to the OS. Unfortunately for most serious computer users though, unless you were brought up on Linux of any flavor, it just doesn't fit the bill. At the very high end of things, Linux solutions, albeit proprietary, are better than those from Microsoft. Again, debatable, obvious in some, not so obvious in others and completely irrelevant to my objection to simply spewing Linux is best as a way of jumping on microsoft. I'll jump all over Microsoft for some very obvious and negative things they've done but I also do it with reason, not from a simple fanatic background that has no intent other than to libel and defame. Get off of your soapbox Twayne. The poster, Jonathon, was making no fanatical comments, but merely pointing
Re: [users] how to create a hanging indent
At 18:58 28/02/2010 +0900, Thomas Blasejewicz wrote: As far as I know, the thing is called in English a hanging indent. You have a number (may NOT be consecutive), an asterisk, a symbol or whatever at the left margin, then a tab stop to the text. If the following text covers several lines, the left margin of the text should be aligned with the tab stop. There are two ways to do this: See those two grey triangles at the left margin on the ruler (above the text)? With the cursor in the relevant paragraph, drag the bottom one in as far as you want your indent to be. Notice that the top triangle comes with it. Now drag the top triangle back to the original margin (or wherever you went it). You can get other paragraphs to follow the same pattern either by simply pressing Enter after your styled paragraph, or using the Format Paintbrush. Alternatively, go to Format | Paragraph... | Indents Spacing | Indent (or right-click | Paragraph... | Indents Spacing | Indent). Increase Before text to a suitable value and reduce First line to the same negative value (or as desired). Or you can go to right-click | Edit Paragraph Style... | Indents Spacing | Indent and so the same thing: this affects all paragraphs with the same paragraph style. ... the official documentation does not contain the keyword hanging indent. Has this a different name under OpenOffice? That's odd. The help text for Writer in my version has an entry under hanging indents in paragraphs. I trust this helps. Brian Barker - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] how to create a hanging indent [Solved]
Thank you. Séamas Ó Brógáin さんは書きました: Format Paragraph Indent Before text: 5 mm [or whatever indent you want] After text: 0 First line: -5 mm [i.e. the same amount as “Before text” only minus] Thank you and Mr. Barker. That does the trick. (I will need to get used to that procedure) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
[users] OT Re: OT and Linux related Re: Re: soffice.bin = highly dangerous??
HI AG, You actually sound for the most part like a thinking person so I decided to respond to this post. Most of my comments will be inline but one thing I'd like to mention right off the bat: If you reassemble the whole thread (and I'm not suggesting you need to) you'll notice that it's off-topic posts concerning which OS the OP should use; something the OP neither asked for nor indicated any use for, that initiated the Linux comments on my part. One of the earliest called his OS crap I believe it was, and said Linux was a solution, which is generally never the case. Linux, which has some fine distributions, just isn't ready to be turn-key and probably shouldn't be anyway. It does however require a certain amount of technical ability to be able to get it to do all the things one needs, and to source/implement replacements for former MS programs and hardware. For one who is strictly a user it doesn't fit well unless a resident guru of some sort is available in most cases of a pure computer user. I'm sure you'll agree that never and always are two words that should be struck from use; they cannot be known to be never and always by any person and thus no matter how hard and fast the rule, there will always be exceptions and/or differences to anything. In news:4b8a515e.3000...@gmail.com, AG computing.acco...@googlemail.com typed: Twayne wrote: snip ... No; the features and functions I NEED, not want, is the key there. MS still have the corner on several things LInux hasn't yet opened up. It may someday, but ... not yet. If you are serious about this, then perhaps you could furnish a list of the software you NEED. The chances are, unless it is a proprietary code-base, there are similarly functioning FOSS packages out there. Similarly, many of the distros like Ubuntu and OpenSUSE and Fedora tend to have an incredible range of hardware that they will work with out of the box. I've furnished my list of NEEDs before, but in Linux territory, even here in this group a couple of times. You'll have to pardon me if I don't get it out and relist it here since there is little chance it would get read by any person who had any good answers; this thread has degraded seriously and likely draws few readers at this point in time. Here's an example of what I do get when I do ask for specifics. I think I mentioned that PaintShop Pro has a lot of capabilties I use often that aren't duplicated in other programs. Unfortunately it doesn't run on Linux and Corel has no plans to port it anytime soon. The most frequent suggestion is to try Gimp. I have tried it, and found it lacking in the features and functions I use the most. Ease of use and GUI aren't real important to me as I can get along with most any format as long as it makes sense; it's all based on compatability with my needs whether it can be a replacement or not. I LIKE gimp and still use it on occasion, but it doesn't do everything I need. Occasionally other solutions are offered and I've looked at the majority of them, but do ignore things like irfanview and the like because I already have them and know what they can and cannot do. Actually, as far as image editing goes, I don't know of ANY program that can 100% compete with PaintShop Pro, although PhotoShop comes close. I use both programs, depending on what I need to do, but PaintShop Pro gets the most use. Each have their own strengths and weaknesses but to do the same things with Linux I'd need a minimum of at least three, more likely 4 or more, applications and a lot more time and effort to use them. I haven't run the gamut of things I need or wish to have in probably close to 6 months now so things may be changing finally - but I won't know if anything improves until I go out and do all the research. My goal is to be free of MS as a single-sourced OS at least on this machine. For the majority of home users, and front office corporate employees, FLOSS alternatives are equal to, or better than those from Microsoft. FOSS or FLOSS doesn't matter; From your (limited) user perspective that may be the case. Well, I don't see a thing wrong with MY (limited) perspective: It is THE one that matters to me. And what will matter to the majority of those who frequent this newsgroup. But, in all seriousness, the issue of Free and Open Source Software *does* matter, and it matters very much given the larger scope of things. You misread something if you think I said that they never matter. In fact, I mentioned that at one point I am using a lot of open source ware. But again, the scope of things is MY OWN interests, not those of big business and the overall picture. There things become entirely different in many but not all ways. For example, given the recently leaked spybook from MS (search wikileaks), one should be very concerned about how your closed source OS collects data about you and your usage of what remains, ultimately, their
[users] Re: how to create a hanging indent
In news:4b8a3e5f.9040...@s7.dion.ne.jp, Thomas Blasejewicz tho...@s7.dion.ne.jp typed: As far as I know, the thing is called in English a hanging indent. You have a number (may NOT be consecutive), an asterix, a symbol or whatever at the left margin, then a tab stop to the text. If the following text covers several lines, the left margin of the text should be aligned with the tab stop. Something like the following. * I tried all sorts of predefined paragraph / list styles but could not find any that would do the trick. In particular since I DO NOT want OO to put numbers or symbols there. My endeavors of creating such a style have so far failed and the official documentation does not contain the keyword hanging indent. Has this a different name under OpenOffice? If the trick is possible, I would really like to know how it is done. Thank you. This mighe help too. Notice hanging indent actually means the following lines are indented from the first line: Indenting Paragraphs To change the measurement units, choose Tools - Options - OpenOffice.org Writer - General, and then select a new measurement unit in the Settings area. You can change the indents for the current paragraph, or for all selected paragraphs, or for a Paragraph Style. You can also set indents using the ruler. To display the ruler, choose View - Ruler. a.. Choose Format - Paragraph - Indents Spacing to change the indents for the current paragraph or for all selected paragraphs. You can also set indents using the ruler. b.. Right-click a paragraph and choose Edit Paragraph Style - Indents Spacing to change the indents for all paragraphs that have the same Paragraph Style. Indents are calculated with respect to the left and right page margins. If you want the paragraph to extend into the page margin, enter a negative number. The indents are different regarding the writing direction. For example, look at the Before text indent value in left-to-right languages. The left edge of the paragraph is indented with respect to the left page margin. In right-to-left languages, the right edge of the paragraph is indented with respect to the right page margin. For a hanging indent, enter a positive value for Before text and a negative value for First line. Related Topics Format - Paragraph - Indents Spacing Using Rulers Templates and Styles -- -- Newsgroups are great places to get assistance. But always verify important information with other sources to be certain you have a clear understanding of it and that it is accurate. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
[users] Re: OT Re: OT and Linux related Re: Re: soffice.bin = highly dangerous??
This discussion has nothing to do with supporting user problems with OO.o. Take it elsewhere. disc...@openoffice.org (gmane.comp.openoffice.general) This list is intended for discussions on OpenOffice.org and Open Source. On 2010/02/28 9:11 AM Twayne wrote: clipped all the crap that is not about giving help to OO.o users / -- Larry I. Gusaas Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Canada Website: http://larry-gusaas.com An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind theirs. - Edgard Varese - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
[users] Re: soffice.bin = highly dangerous??
This discussion has nothing to do with supporting user problems with OO.o. Take it elsewhere. disc...@openoffice.org (gmane.comp.openoffice.general) This list is intended for discussions on OpenOffice.org and Open Source. On 2010/02/28 4:36 AM AG wrote: Twayne wrote: clipped non-support crap / -- Larry I. Gusaas Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Canada Website: http://larry-gusaas.com An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind theirs. - Edgard Varese - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
[users] Very strange sorting error
I have a list of names and addresses I maintain using OpenOfficeCalc. It does just fine - I don't need any database features. But I was handed a decidedly odd SORT screwup this morning. I intended to sort by ZIP. The lowest numerical ZIP is 97005, and the highest one that would appear in the list is 98685. So I went to DATA, SORT, and instructed it to sort by only one column - column J, the ZIPcode column. What I got back was a list whose sort began, as expected, with 97005. Proceeded on nicely in fine numerical order, right on through to 98685. Trouble is, that only covered up through the 271st item of the 337-item list. Following the 98685, it began over again with a new 97005, and proceeded on through the numbers from there. This is an incomprehensible error, and calls into question the integrity of the code, big-time - because I cannot come up with any form of operator error that could have caused such a thing. There is zero discernible difference in the cell entries of column J that are appearing out of sequence. The steps required to generate a sort are simple and unambiguous. So how is this happening, and what must we do to fix it? OO3.1, under Ubuntu 9.10(karmic koala) Thanks, Brewster Gillett -- *** Embrace a sharing community of sustainable justice low-carbon diversity *** W. Brewster Gillett b...@fdi.usPortland, OR USA *** Simply because you don't like to hear it, that doesn't make it untrue. *** - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
[users] OT Re: OT Re: OT and Linux related Re: Re: soffice.bin = highly dangerous??
I have no objections to anyone objecting to off topic posts; which is exactly why I use the OT prefix for the few occasions where I do so. However, you ability to order me to do anything, period, borders on silly, not to mention egocentric. I will respond to any post I feel I have a contribution for regardless of your orders. You should learn to plonk or better yet not read posts that are offensive to you. No one forces you to read anything in any post anywhere. Were it not for your post, this post wouldn't exist, either. I could tell you exactly where to put your posts also, but in fairness, I think you know without it being spelled out for you. HTH, Twayne In news:hme9g4$nd...@dough.gmane.org, Larry Gusaas larry.gus...@gmail.com typed: This discussion has nothing to do with supporting user problems with OO.o. Take it elsewhere. disc...@openoffice.org (gmane.comp.openoffice.general) This list is intended for discussions on OpenOffice.org and Open Source. On 2010/02/28 9:11 AM Twayne wrote: clipped all the crap that is not about giving help to OO.o users / - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Difference between default, text body and text body indent para styles
On Sun, 28 Feb 2010 16:54:36 +0700 Ken Heard k...@heard.name dijo: Up until now my word processor of choice has been WordPerfect 5.1, I have spent the last two months off and on learning OOo with some success, as so far I have managed to create two usable documents; but there is much about OOo I do not understand. I am only now figuring out the questions I need to ask, to understand styles in particular. So please all, indulge me if I ask seemingly silly questions, as there is much in OOo which is not intuitive to me. The first questions: I do not understand the difference between default, text body and text body indent paragraph styles. It seems that OOo sometimes selects default as the default paragraph style, at other times selects text body. Are there situations where one should be used over the other? What should text body indent be used for? WP 5.1 was my favorite word processor for a long time, but I left it a long time ago. I find a WYSIWYG text editor to be a better fit for the way my brain works. But different strokes, and all that. I have been using OOo exclusively now for at least five years. I am glad to see you are trying to get your head around styles. Styles are the most powerful feature of OOo and you will not get the real experience until you get comfortable with them. And the learning effort will not be wasted because just about all text editors and layout programs these days use styles extensively. For example, if you decide to use a layout application like Scribus to design a newsletter or book it will import your OOo text and preserve the styles. As for your specific questions, I suspect a few things that you may have missed. In the following I am referring only to paragraph styles: 1) Styles can be based on other styles. The default style is the base for many other styles. The advantage is that you can make a change to the underlying style and it will cascade through the styles based on that style. 2) Part of the attributes of a style are what style to follow it with. If you change the default style to make the following style text body, then that is what Writer will do as soon as you start the next paragraph after a paragraph to which default is applied. This can be a handy feature if, for example, you want a special style for the first paragraph of an article, but a variation of it for the rest of the article. 3) You cannot remove the default style, but you can change it to whatever features you want. 4) I use the default style only when I want to remove existing formatting. That is, I never apply the default style deliberately. It only gets used when I go to Format Default Formatting (Ctrl-m). Normally I use my own styles. 5) Indent means that the first line of a paragraph is indented. In normal typesetting the reader needs a clue that the author has started a new paragraph. Traditionally you can do this by adding a bit of space between the paragraphs (extra leading), or by indenting. Normally one would not do both. And if you choose to indent your paragraphs, do not do so for the first paragraph of the article or for the first paragraph after a graphic element (picture, table, etc.). A hanging indent is a different sort of style. In this case you want the first line flush left, but the remaining lines indented. This is common when making a list of points. If plain text e-mail could do styles I would be writing this with bullet points where the paragraphs are indented except for the first line. 5) Styles are saved in templates. You can created your own default template which will contain whatever styles you want it to have. I don't know if any of the above resolves any of your confusion. If not, give a shout back and we'll try again. And welcome to OOo! - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
[users] Re: OT Re: OT Re: OT and Linux related Re: Re: soffice.bin = highly dangerous??
On 2010/02/28 11:44 AM Twayne wrote: I have no objections to anyone objecting to off topic posts; which is exactly why I use the OT prefix for the few occasions where I do so. Post them to the discuss list instead. However, you ability to order me to do anything, period, borders on silly, not to mention egocentric. I am simply stating the proper place for non user support discussions.Read the description of the different lists at: http://www.openoffice.org/mail_list.html I will respond to any post I feel I have a contribution for regardless of your orders. You should learn to plonk or better yet not read posts that are offensive to you. No one forces you to read anything in any post anywhere. You seem to forget that this is mailing list that most people receive as email. All the off topic crap fills up their mailboxs. People subscribe to the mailing list to get help using OO.o, not to read long-winded off topic polemics. The discuss or social lists are the proper places for these discussions. Were it not for your post, this post wouldn't exist, either. Wrong. Your post exists because you chose to send it. This is my last post on this subject. I could tell you exactly where to put your posts also, but in fairness, I think you know without it being spelled out for you. Is that similar to the place your head is? -- Larry I. Gusaas Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Canada Website: http://larry-gusaas.com An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind theirs. - Edgard Varese - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
[users] Multiple files search and replace
I have found two programs performing search replace action within multiple OpenOffice documents: 1) PowerGREP 2) OpenOffice Writer Find and Replace In Multiple Documents Software However, I could not make the PowerGREP to do a replacement due to some problems cased by a broken IFilter, cf. http://www.powergrep.com/openoffice.html Can anybody give some help how to make PowerGREP work? Can anybody suggest other tools to perform such a job? Jacek Szymona - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
[users] [moderated]
Project failed to download. I was advised to contact you for an up to date copy or version.
[users] OOo 3.2 update... ugly GUI! help?
hello I upgraded to 3.2 I had always been using classic appearance (images on toolbar buttons) I had always disliked the gradient toolbar backgrounds (I am on Windows XP with Windows Classic theme) Now, I found that when I hover a button, it is with glueish backgrouns, more ugly than in 3.1.1. How do I get rid of all these inconvenient GUI features? I want buttons get ONLY outset border when hovered, and I want toolbars be always with evenly grey background help? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Difference between default, text body and text body indent para styles
John Jason Jordan wrote: On Sun, 28 Feb 2010 16:54:36 +0700 Ken Heard k...@heard.name dijo: * * * SNIP * * * A hanging indent is a different sort of style. In this case you want the first line flush left, but the remaining lines indented. This is common when making a list of points. If plain text e-mail could do styles I would be writing this with bullet points where the paragraphs are indented except for the first line. * * * SNIP * * * You can indent and do hanging indent: 1. If you use a word processor then copy-and-paste. 2. Find an email program that will support it. 3. This was entered in OOo and copied-and-pasted. 4. But only the first two lines (1. and 2.), after that TB did the remaining indenting. I cannot address other email programs, but this works for me, though not perfectly. Tom -- PC, Where would you like to go today? ... Mac, Where would you like to be tomorrow? ... Linux, Are you guys coming, or not? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] [moderated]
Paul wrote: Project failed to download. I was advised to contact you for an up to date copy or version. You don't say what you're trying to download or from where, so I'll assume you're trying to download OpenOffice.org from www.openoffice.org. What sort of error message did you get when the download failed. Who said to contact this mail list? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
[users] Re: Multiple files search and replace
In news:4b8abcdb.1030...@lublin.eu, JSz. jszym...@lublin.eu typed: I have found two programs performing search replace action within multiple OpenOffice documents: 1) PowerGREP 2) OpenOffice Writer Find and Replace In Multiple Documents Software However, I could not make the PowerGREP to do a replacement due to some problems cased by a broken IFilter, cf. http://www.powergrep.com/openoffice.html Can anybody give some help how to make PowerGREP work? Can anybody suggest other tools to perform such a job? Jacek Szymona Well ... as long as you're careful not to change the wrong things in a NOF file and don't change the extensions of the files, I've found Notepad++ and NoteTabPro to both be excellent at that. Both have free versions. The only limit to how many files you can open at once is your computer's memory. You can Search and Replace in all files, only some of the files, or a single file, count occurrences, lots of things like that. I use the for IDEs for PHP; quite handy, really. http://notepad-plus.sourceforge.net/uk/site.htm and http://software.techrepublic.com.com/abstract.aspx?tag=content%3BleftColdocid=1012035 for NoteTab. They make it wasy at Fookes to write your own libs for the program too, which I've done for PHP. I liked it enough I bought the Pro version and it's an excellent app, especially for the price. Personally I highly recommend it but Notepadd++ has some niceties others might appreciate too so I included it here. Good luck, Twayne -- Newsgroups are great places to get assistance. But always verify important information with other sources to be certain you have a clear understanding of it and that it is accurate. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
[users] Re: Very strange sorting error
Brewster Gillett wrote: I have a list of names and addresses I maintain using OpenOfficeCalc. It does just fine - I don't need any database features. And you don't need any spreadsheet feature. What you need least is the flexibility of a spreadsheet where you can tear apart any list structure. What you need most is the structure of a database which keeps your row sets tightly together in any case. What I got back was a list whose sort began, as expected, with 97005. Proceeded on nicely in fine numerical order, right on through to 98685. Trouble is, that only covered up through the 271st item of the 337-item list. Following the 98685, it began over again with a new 97005, and proceeded on through the numbers from there. What you need is a database where a field of numbers contains numbers and sorts numerically and a text field contains only text which sorts alphabetically. A spreadsheet is a highly flexible calculator. It has absolutely no concept of tables. There are only rectangles of cells. Every cell is an unrelated atom which can take any type of value, never rejecting or enforcing anything. Most people do not understand what is going on when they type a sequence of digits into a cell. You need a database and everything will be fine, consistent and easy to use. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Very strange sorting error
At 09:44 28/02/2010 -0800, Brewster Gillett wrote: I have a list of names and addresses I maintain using OpenOfficeCalc. It does just fine - I don't need any database features. But I was handed a decidedly odd SORT screwup this morning. I intended to sort by ZIP. The lowest numerical ZIP is 97005, and the highest one that would appear in the list is 98685. So I went to DATA, SORT, and instructed it to sort by only one column - column J, the ZIPcode column. What I got back was a list whose sort began, as expected, with 97005. Proceeded on nicely in fine numerical order, right on through to 98685. Trouble is, that only covered up through the 271st item of the 337-item list. Following the 98685, it began over again with a new 97005, and proceeded on through the numbers from there. This is an incomprehensible error, and calls into question the integrity of the code, big-time ... Either that or the care taken by the user? Let's be fair: you need to test and reproduce such a problem before you can rightly assume that it is a bug. ... because I cannot come up with any form of operator error that could have caused such a thing. Perhaps I can help: may I please suggest such an error? Are these values numbers? If they are US ZIP postal codes, they may need to include leading zeroes. You can display these using the leading zeroes formatting option, of course, but you may have preferred to enter the values as text. Or you may just have done this accidentally, by stripping the codes from addresses. If so, is it possible that some of your text values have leading blanks? If so, the ones with such leading blanks will quite properly sort before those without. There is zero discernible difference in the cell entries of column J that are appearing out of sequence. If you have your data displayed right-aligned, there will indeed be no visible difference. Alternatively, are some of your values numbers and others text? Try View | Value Highlighting: are they all black (text) or all blue (numbers) - or a mixture? So how is this happening, and what must we do to fix it? Er, attend carefully to data types? (At least, try this before dismissing the problem as a bug.) I trust this helps. Brian Barker - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: Very strange sorting error
Brewster Gillett wrote: I have a list of names and addresses I maintain using OpenOfficeCalc. It does just fine - I don't need any database features. Andreas Saeger wrote: And you don't need any spreadsheet feature. What you need least is the flexibility of a spreadsheet where you can tear apart any list structure. What you need most is the structure of a database which keeps your row sets tightly together in any case. bg: So you are saying that OOCalc doesn't do a good job of keeping the cells in their appointed place? How is it tearing apart to simply request the application of a provided function, the SORT command? bg: What I got back was a list whose sort began, as expected, with 97005. Proceeded on nicely in fine numerical order, right on through to 98685. Trouble is, that only covered up through the 271st item of the 337-item list. Following the 98685, it began over again with a new 97005, and proceeded on through the numbers from there. andreas: What you need is a database where a field of numbers contains numbers and sorts numerically and a text field contains only text which sorts alphabetically. bg: Silly me - I always thought spreadsheet cells defaulted to numeric, and you only had to tell them to format differently if you wanted dollars, or dates, or something else. So far as I can possibly be aware, the five-digit numbers I have entered into the column for ZIP codes have all been entered as straight numbers. andreas: A spreadsheet is a highly flexible calculator. It has absolutely no concept of tables. There are only rectangles of cells. Every cell is an unrelated atom which can take any type of value, never rejecting or enforcing anything. Most people do not understand what is going on when they type a sequence of digits into a cell. bg: That being the case, it would be very useful if you could explain to us all what *is* going on. I was not aware that a column of cells with simple numeric values in them had to be a table in order for that column to be sorted in straight numerical order. Keep in mind that (and I apologize for not making this clear in my initial query) my previous versions of OOCalc never did such a thing, going back several years, and several versions. Up until my recent upgrade to 3.1, when I asked for a ZIP sort, that is what I got. IOW the behaviour I describe in my query is something new to 3.1. andreas: You need a database and everything will be fine, consistent and easy to use. bg: Through 40 years of using, selling, installing and supporting IT, one of the philosophical points I have tried to keep in mind is that there's little point in hauling in a state-of-the-art hydro-cyber-pneumatic CNC 6-axis pounding apparatus of 437 moving parts with a 4-inch-thick operating manual to do a job that could be accomplished in three seconds with the simple ball-peen hammer hanging above my workbench. I do not need to invest the easily 60 to 80 hours required to learn the intricacies of Base, if I can serve my needs with Calc. Do I? I have only ever encountered one database program that was easily accessible right out of the box, and it does not, sadly, have a Linux port. All of the rest I have ever encountered seem to require you to first go locate all the special Legos you need, then assemble them into a working all-terrain vehicle, and be prepared to reassemble the Legos periodically when something doesn't work right owing to incorrect assembly. I could do it, but I am not inclined to invest that amount of time. Is it unreasonable to expect a seemingly simple SORT function to perform what would seem to be an exceedingly straightforward task? Especially when, in previous releases of OOo, it has always done so? Brewster -- *** Embrace a sharing community of sustainable justice low-carbon diversity *** W. Brewster Gillett b...@fdi.usPortland, OR USA *** Simply because you don't like to hear it, that doesn't make it untrue. *** - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
[users] Re: Very strange sorting error
Brewster Gillett wrote: That being the case, it would be very useful if you could explain to us all what *is* going on. I was not aware that a column of cells with simple numeric values in them had to be a table in order for that column to be sorted in straight numerical order. What's going on is the same as in any other spreadsheet since 1979 when Visicalc entered the scene. 12345 entered as text is not the same value as 12345. So you are saying that OOCalc doesn't do a good job of keeping the cells in their appointed place? How is it tearing apart to simply request the application of a provided function, the SORT command? No spreadsheet can keep records and fields together. There are no records nor fields, only cells which may happen to have a database-like sturcture. Select some cells right in the middle of your list and drag them around. How many tables have been destroyed by point-and-click sorting? Select a column and hit a sort button. Silly me - I always thought spreadsheet cells defaulted to numeric, and you only had to tell them to format differently if you wanted dollars, or dates, or something else. So far as I can possibly be aware, the five-digit numbers I have entered into the column for ZIP codes have all been entered as straight numbers. Yes, defaults to number. Certain number formats may influence how your input is handled. Copy and paste overrides all this. But no formatting will ever change any of your values. Make sure that your spreadsheet range has a first row of column labels. Create a new empty database (FileNewDatabase... continue with the defaults) Copy your spreadsheet list. Go to the tables section in the database and paste. Follow the wizzard, let it add a primary key, declare proper field types (ZIP codes are text, even when they consist of numbers!). One fix: Load the finished table in edit mode (select icon, menu:EditEdit...) and set the additional ID column to auto-value Let the wizard create a pretty input form without the auto-value (you don't need to see nor edit this field). - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
[users] A small favor to ask OpenOffice.org users in Melbourne, Australia
Hi, This is a bit off-topic, but I have a small favor to ask OpenOffice.org users in Australia. We published OpenOffice.org Calc Functions Formulas Tips, 1st ed. on the Espresso Book Machine and two of those are supposed to be located in Melbourne (Angus Robertson Bookstore, 360 Bourke Street, Melbourne, Australia or the Baillieu Library, The University of Melbourne, Victoria 3010, Australia). Could you confirm that it is indeed available over there? The ISBN 10 is 83-60869-23-5 and ISBN 13 is 978-83-60869-23-9. We are trying to debug a problem with our distribution channels and it would really help us if you could confirm that title's availability. Please email us off list. Our address is sa...@devguide.co.uk. Thank you! Jacek Artymiak - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
[users] A small favor to ask OpenOffice.org users in Melbourne, Australia
This is a bit off-topic, but I have a small favor to ask OpenOffice.org users in Australia. We published OpenOffice.org Calc Functions Formulas Tips, 1st ed. on the Espresso Book Machine and two of those are supposed to be located in Melbourne (Angus Robertson Bookstore, 360 Bourke Street, Melbourne, Australia or the Baillieu Library, The University of Melbourne, Victoria 3010, Australia). Could you confirm that it is indeed available over there? The ISBN 10 is 83-60869-23-5 and ISBN 13 is 978-83-60869-23-9. We are trying to debug a problem with our distribution channels and it would really help us if you could confirm that title's availability. Please email us off list. Our address is sa...@devguide.co.uk. Thank you! Jacek Artymiak - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
[users] Re: .ppt vs.pps
On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 14:02:07 +, Brian Barker wrote: Like me, Microsoft don't appear to have heard of their product called SlideShow; do you know something we don't? Brian Barker believe it's called the powerpoint viewer. it used to be packaged with powerpoint and the license allowed you to have it on any machine you wanted. mcm - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Very strange sorting error/brian
At 09:44 28/02/2010 -0800, Brewster Gillett wrote: snip This is an incomprehensible error, and calls into question the integrity of the code, big-time ... Brian Barker wrote: Either that or the care taken by the user? Let's be fair: you need to test and reproduce such a problem before you can rightly assume that it is a bug. Right you are, Brian - of course it's more a matter of ignorance than of lack of care bg: ... because I cannot come up with any form of operator error that could have caused such a thing. brian: Perhaps I can help: may I please suggest such an error? Are these values numbers? As far as I've ever been aware, most any spreadsheet defaults to numbers if that's the first thing you type into it - only formatting as text if the first-typed character is non-numeric. Have I been misinformed? brian: snip If so, is it possible that some of your text values have leading blanks? Not so far as I can tell. brian: Alternatively, are some of your values numbers and others text? Try View | Value Highlighting: are they all black (text) or all blue (numbers) - or a mixture? bg: Thank you for a very useful tip, which I may never have discovered otherwise. Sure enough, the ones that aren't included in the sort are showing as text. And, fool that I am, I should have seen it - every single one of them has a leading single quote - an artifact whose presence is a complete mystery to me. Let me elaborate on one of the still-puzzling aspects of this - I only have two ways I can have a ZIP code end up in this spreadsheeet. Either the name comes in as part of a .CSV file downloaded from our National Office website, or it comes directly to me from an inquiry by phone or email. In the former case, the .CSV file gets saved as an OOCalc file. In the latter, I would have manually typed in the ZIP. But here's the part that is bizarre; the split between those with leading single quotes and those without does not even close to line up with the split of sources just described! IOW Some of the ones I manually typed show up as numbers, and some as text. And likewise, some of the .CVS imports show one way, and some the other. I submit to you that that makes no sense at all and I still have no idea how those with the leading single quote got that way. Now here's a whole new question that this has triggered - I have read completely through the Help screens regarding Find and Replace, and nothing speaks to why Find Replace is unable to process these entries. So thus far it looks like I am obliged to strip off the leading single quotes manually, cell by cell. Apparently Find Replace cannot see a text entry like'97103 . This is not how my mentors described automation to me :-) brian: (At least, try this before dismissing the problem as a bug.) bg: What led me to believe it might be a bug is that it has never done this in previous versionsonly since the 3.1 upgrade... ... a natural assumption, on some levels. brian: I trust this helps. bg: It helps a great deal, thanks. Now if you have any ideas as to why Find Replace seems to be so limited, that would also help a lot. Thanks, Brewster -- *** Embrace a sharing community of sustainable justice low-carbon diversity *** W. Brewster Gillett b...@fdi.usPortland, OR USA *** Simply because you don't like to hear it, that doesn't make it untrue. *** - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: .ppt vs.pps
Mark C. Miller wrote: On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 14:02:07 +, Brian Barker wrote: Like me, Microsoft don't appear to have heard of their product called SlideShow; do you know something we don't? Brian Barker believe it's called the powerpoint viewer. it used to be packaged with powerpoint and the license allowed you to have it on any machine you wanted. It's a free download to. PowerPoint 2007 Viewer: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=048DC840-14E1-467D-8DCA-19D2A8FD7485displaylang=en - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
[users] Writer; Decimal Tab Stops?
Hi, I'm in the process of changing some Word templates to Writer templates and I've hit a snag. How do you set a decimal tab stop? That's one where, when digits are entered, they align to the left or right of the decimal point. A decimal tab stop is one where in a column of numbers, the decimal points will all align one under the other. e.g. digits after the fixed position (column wise) decimal point fill in to the right, and digits to the right of the decimal point fill in toward the left. Output would look like (with a mono-space font): $ 0.254 $300.79 $5.5657 $15.969 and so on, all the decimals and cents aligned so they start in the same character column, one over the other. The 3 and 4 digits resolution after the decimal is used in the fine-detail descriptions of very large numbers of objects and is not a typo. I found a decimal tab stops entry in OO.o's Help, but the information seems to have nothing whatever to do with a decimal tab stop. In fact, it's apparently the General Settings information and only briefly mentions tab stops. I feel like I've done it before in OO.o, but darned if I can figure out how now! Thanks much in advance for any relevant information/comments you may have, Twayne -- Life is the only real counselor; wisdom unfiltered through personal experience does not become a part of the moral tissue. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Writer; Decimal Tab Stops?
On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Twayne twa...@twaynesdomain.com wrote: Hi, I'm in the process of changing some Word templates to Writer templates and I've hit a snag. How do you set a decimal tab stop? That's one where, when digits are entered, they align to the left or right of the decimal point. A decimal tab stop is one where in a column of numbers, the decimal points will all align one under the other. e.g. digits after the fixed position (column wise) decimal point fill in to the right, and digits to the right of the decimal point fill in toward the left. Output would look like (with a mono-space font): $ 0.254 $300.79 $5.5657 $15.969 and so on, all the decimals and cents aligned so they start in the same character column, one over the other. The 3 and 4 digits resolution after the decimal is used in the fine-detail descriptions of very large numbers of objects and is not a typo. I found a decimal tab stops entry in OO.o's Help, but the information seems to have nothing whatever to do with a decimal tab stop. In fact, it's apparently the General Settings information and only briefly mentions tab stops. I feel like I've done it before in OO.o, but darned if I can figure out how now! Thanks much in advance for any relevant information/comments you may have, If you look at the ruler at the top of the document, there is a small icon on the left showing the current tab stop type. If you click on it, you will see cycle it through left, right, decimal and center tabs. If you stop at the decimal tab, then when you insert a tab on the ruler, it will be a decimal tab. You can also call up the paragraph formatting dialog and set your tabs and their types there. Twayne -- Life is the only real counselor; wisdom unfiltered through personal experience does not become a part of the moral tissue. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
[users] Re: Writer; Decimal Tab Stops?
On 2010/02/28 6:28 PM Twayne wrote: How do you set a "decimal tab stop"? From the OO.o Help File: You can set a tab stop by clicking on the ruler or by selecting Format - Paragraph - Tabs. Both methods affect the current paragraph or all selected paragraphs. Click the ruler once to set a left-justified tab. Right-click a tab icon on the ruler to see the context menu in which you can change the tab type. To set several decimal tabs one after the other, keep clicking the icon to the left of the ruler until the desired tab type is shown, then click on the ruler. -- Larry I. Gusaas Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan Canada Website: http://larry-gusaas.com "An artist is never ahead of his time but most people are far behind theirs." - Edgard Varese
[users] Installation instructions for 3.2 on Fedora
I have 3.1.1 from OOo installed on my Fedora 11 x86_64 computer. Note that the version I have is the one downloaded from OOo, not the 3.1.1 in the Fedora repositories. It works fine, but it recently announced that 3.2 is now available. I let OOo download the new version, and it is currently in my desktop in tar.gz format. Unfortunately, the present 3.1.1 is the first time I have ever installed from OOo instead of from the distro repos. Therefore I am not sure how to install the new version. Do I have to uninstall the old version first? Or will the new version overwrite the old version? I looked all over the OOo website and finally found instructions, but they are dated last November and relate to 3.1, not 3.2, and they assume OOo is not installed at all. Does anyone know where I can find more specific instructions for upgrading from 3.1.1 to 3.2? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Installation instructions for 3.2 on Fedora
Original Message From: John Jason Jordan johnjas...@gmail.com To: OpenOffice.org users@openoffice.org Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 18:37:17 -0800 I have 3.1.1 from OOo installed on my Fedora 11 x86_64 computer. Note that the version I have is the one downloaded from OOo, not the 3.1.1 in the Fedora repositories. It works fine, but it recently announced that 3.2 is now available. I let OOo download the new version, and it is currently in my desktop in tar.gz format. Unfortunately, the present 3.1.1 is the first time I have ever installed from OOo instead of from the distro repos. Therefore I am not sure how to install the new version. Do I have to uninstall the old version first? Or will the new version overwrite the old version? I looked all over the OOo website and finally found instructions, but they are dated last November and relate to 3.1, not 3.2, and they assume OOo is not installed at all. Does anyone know where I can find more specific instructions for upgrading from 3.1.1 to 3.2? The instructions given in the link below are still valid for 3.2 http://download.openoffice.org/common/instructions.html#other_linux If the version 3.1.1 you have installed really is one downloaded from OOo, the above instructions will upgrade you to 3.2 For installation step 7, you need to rpm the desktop installation file openoffice.org3.2-redhat-menus-3.2-9472.noarch.rpm. HTH - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Installation instructions for 3.2 on Fedora (Correction)
Original Message From: Dave Barton d...@tasit.net To: users@openoffice.org Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2010 14:50:38 +1100 8-- snip --8 For installation step 7, you need to rpm the desktop installation file openoffice.org3.2-redhat-menus-3.2-9472.noarch.rpm. Sorry, desktop installation file should have read desktop integration file - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Re: .ppt vs.pps
At 23:36 28/02/2010 +, Mark C. Miller wrote: On Sat, 27 Feb 2010 14:02:07 +, Brian Barker wrote: Like me, Microsoft don't appear to have heard of their product called SlideShow; do you know something we don't? believe it's called the powerpoint viewer. Oh, I know the Powerpoint Viewer: I have it installed. But that will happily display Powerpoint presentations whether they are named .ppt or .pps, of course - contrary to the claim made for SlideShow. Brian Barker - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Very strange sorting error/brian
At 15:36 28/02/2010 -0800, Brewster Gillett wrote: Brian Barker wrote: Either that or the care taken by the user? Let's be fair: you need to test and reproduce such a problem before you can rightly assume that it is a bug. Right you are, Brian - of course it's more a matter of ignorance than of lack of care I hope that didn't come across as dismissive or overly critical ... As far as I've ever been aware, most any spreadsheet defaults to numbers if that's the first thing you type into it - only formatting as text if the first-typed character is non-numeric. Have I been misinformed? I don't claim to understand the details of this. Things get more complicated when you paste material in. Sure enough, the ones that aren't included in the sort are showing as text. And, fool that I am, I should have seen it - every single one of them has a leading single quote - an artifact whose presence is a complete mystery to me. That - which should display only in the Input line, not in the cell - indicates a text entry in a number-formatted cell. Let me elaborate on one of the still-puzzling aspects of this - I only have two ways I can have a ZIP code end up in this spreadsheeet. Either the name comes in as part of a .CSV file downloaded from our National Office website, or it comes directly to me from an inquiry by phone or email. In the former case, the .CSV file gets saved as an OOCalc file. In the latter, I would have manually typed in the ZIP. But here's the part that is bizarre; the split between those with leading single quotes and those without does not even close to line up with the split of sources just described! IOW Some of the ones I manually typed show up as numbers, and some as text. And likewise, some of the .CVS imports show one way, and some the other. I submit to you that that makes no sense at all... and I still have no idea how those with the leading single quote got that way. As I say, I don't claim to understand all the possibilities. But what you have there are text entries in cells not formatted as text. Now here's a whole new question that this has triggered - I have read completely through the Help screens regarding Find and Replace, and nothing speaks to why Find Replace is unable to process these entries. So thus far it looks like I am obliged to strip off the leading single quotes manually, cell by cell. Apparently Find Replace cannot see a text entry like '97103 . That's because the single quote mark is not really there: it is a way of indicating - by you when entering values and by Calc when displaying what is there - that the actual content is text instead of a number. But you don't need to change these values manually. In a new column, enter =VALUE(xx) and fill or copy it down the column. This will take both your text and number values and produce numbers. Now copy the results and paste them back over the original results, but using Paste Special instead of ordinary Paste; in the Paste Special dialogue, ensure that Numbers is ticked and Formulas is *not* ticked. Mind you, ZIP data should probably all be text, in fact. Try =TEXT(VALUE(xx);0) instead. Brian Barker - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@openoffice.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@openoffice.org
Re: [users] Difference between default, text body and text body indent para styles
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 John Jason Jordan wrote: snip I am glad to see you are trying to get your head around styles. Styles are the most powerful feature of OOo and you will not get the real experience until you get comfortable with them. And the learning effort will not be wasted because just about all text editors and layout programs these days use styles extensively. For example, if you decide to use a layout application like Scribus to design a newsletter or book it will import your OOo text and preserve the styles. The first few pages of Chapter 6 of the OOo Writer Guide do emphasize the importance of styles, hence my efforts to figure them out. I started by reading the Writer Guide in order to familiarize myself with the general structure of OOo, but there was much there that I did not fully understand. I then started to experiment, referring to the Guide and OOo help to see if either would be of any help. In most cases it was, but unfortunately not in all. So my question stem from the fact that I could not understand the explanation, that the explanation did not appear anywhere, or if it did I could not or did not find it. (I sometimes think that applications manuals are written *and edited* by the people who develop the applications rather that the people who use them. The OOo Writer Guide is a prime example of one.) As for your specific questions, I suspect a few things that you may have missed. In the following I am referring only to paragraph styles: Yes I definitely did. I had an exchange of e-mail with a kind individual who for some reason preferred to contact me off list. 1) Styles can be based on other styles. The default style is the base for many other styles. The advantage is that you can make a change to the underlying style and it will cascade through the styles based on that style. Yes I found that out. I also discovered that I can change the default style for a given document, and that style as changed is saved with that document. I had assumed that the default default style, so to speak, would be changed as well. I soon found out that I was incorrect, that after OOo is first opened but before a specific document is opened, the default style is as it is set up by OOo, not as I had changed it for a specific document. 2) Part of the attributes of a style are what style to follow it with. If you change the default style to make the following style text body, then that is what Writer will do as soon as you start the next paragraph after a paragraph to which default is applied. This can be a handy feature if, for example, you want a special style for the first paragraph of an article, but a variation of it for the rest of the article. Yes I found that out too, but got lost in a plethora of styles when I tried to create a series of paragraph and list styles to make a series of nested headings. I have yet to figure out the best way to make such nests to meet my needs. I have now doubt that in trying to do so I will have to ask the list specific questions, but I am not ready yet. 3) You cannot remove the default style, but you can change it to whatever features you want. See answer to (1) above. 4) I use the default style only when I want to remove existing formatting. That is, I never apply the default style deliberately. It only gets used when I go to Format Default Formatting (Ctrl-m). Normally I use my own styles. As I result of that off line e-mail exchange I have decided to do the same and use unique identifiers for my own styles to distinguish them from OOo's. 5) Indent means that the first line of a paragraph is indented. In normal typesetting the reader needs a clue that the author has started a new paragraph. Traditionally you can do this by adding a bit of space between the paragraphs (extra leading), or by indenting. Normally one would not do both. And if you choose to indent your paragraphs, do not do so for the first paragraph of the article or for the first paragraph after a graphic element (picture, table, etc.). With WP 5.1 the standard way of separating paragraphs was to put a blank line between them. OOo however does not really allow that. Hitting Enter starts a new paragraph, its style being the paragraph style indicated in the style before it as the paragraph style to follow it, or in the absence of such an indication the default paragraph style. Instead, if a space is wanted between paragraphs, it is done by specifying a space either above or below the start or end of text in each paragraph style to be used. (Shift-Enter will put a blank line between two lines of text, but the both the text before and after a blank line created this way will still be part of the same paragraph, as OOo understands that word. Shift-Enter do doubt has its uses, but not to provide spaces between paragraphs.) A hanging indent is a different sort of style. In this case you want the first line flush
