[users] Re: Thunderbird contact list
Gregory Forster wrote: Thunderbird works superbly with OpenOffice and is very easy to integrate. First question is, Which version of OpenOffice are you using? the reason I ask is because the older versions do not specify Thunderbird, but the newer ones do. The older versions will work just as well with Thunderbird, they just require s few extra steps. I use OpenOffice 2.0.3 and Thunderbird 1.5.0.8 Once in OpenOffice, at the top menu bar, Click File/Wizards/Address Data Source. A pop-up will appear asking different types off data sources. The newer versions of OpenOffice (2.0.2, 2.0.3, etc.) specify Thunderbird as a data source. With older versions of OpenOffice, you must select "Other". Then, folllow the prompts. OpenOffice will ask you which address book to use within Thunderbird. I have several different Address Books, so just choose the Personal. OpenOffice will default to Personal when you click the data source icon, but you can always change to a different Address Book once you're in. The only disadvantage about using Thunderbird, is that Thunderbird does not have a calendar built in. You can add a calendar as an extension to Thunderbird, but how that works within OpenOffice, I have no idea. Or you can have a stand alone calendar - Mozilla's Sunbird. That is, if yo u require a calendar. If you don't require a calendar, Thunderbird's address books integrate quite nicely with OpenOffice. Greg CPHennessy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Thu October 26 2006 15:07, + Lynn Nash wrote: [ MODERATED ] *** Can the Thunderbird "contacts list" be made to work with OpenOffice in the same fashion as Outlook/Entourage functions with MS Office/MSWord? I'd really like to switch to OpenOffice but the contact list integrated function in MS Office would be tough to do without. I think that this is supported. You can download OOo to test. Please reply to users@openoffice.org only - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: Font for Greek Letters in Formula
Rick Bilonick wrote: Thanks but I don't see Tools/Symbols when I'm in the formula editor. I do see Tools/Catalog. But I don't see that this does much more than just typing, for example, %mu, in the formula panel. The problem is that when the document is converted to a .doc and then opened in MS Word, all the Greek letters (and some other symbols) are missing. Other things like summations show up but not the Greek letters. A similar thing happens if I use the OpenSymbols font or the Standard Symbol L font in the text. When opened in MS Word, the wrong character appears. If I had typed mu in either of these fonts, when opened in MS Word, a different Greek letter or math symbol will appear (even though on the screen in OOo it shows a mu). However, if I use the Symbol font (I have to type in the work "Symbol" - it doesn't appear in the pull-down list of fonts), then what I see in OOo on the screen and print out from OOo under Linux shows up in MS Word too. All I want to do is have people using MS Word to see the correct Greek letters/symbols that I'm typing in OOo. I do see in the Tools/Catalog/Symbol panel it allows you to modify the characters but I cannot type in Symbol like I can for fonts for regular text. I think your problem might be in your use of the standard Microsoft Symbol font. This uses now outdated technology in which characters appear in that font equated by position to more normal characters in a standard Latin-1 (ANSI) font. However such symbol fonts were difficult to use, especially with the higher values as character codes do not always properly convert between different operating systems or different character old-style character sets on the same operating system. All symbol characters are now assigned their own values in the Unicode character set (though they certainly don't appear in every font). You might try globally replacing the symbols in your document within MS Word with corresponding Unicode characters from a non-symbol font. Then you should be able to transform between MS-Word and Open Office and between Windows and Linux as you wish without any changing of characters. However, then you will indeed lose the ability to have your characters properly appear in older systems. Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: Prevent word break
John Wiedenhoeft wrote: Yes, I know. Transkribing a 200 pages manuscript takes really long. You can imagine what it means if I have to insert 4-5 word joiners per word... and how many keystrokes this would mean. Why would you insert 4-5 word joiners per word? Presumably you only need them for PUA characters. I don't know exactly how you are entering these PUA characters, but I would supposed you could set your customized keyboard driver or Word macros or whatever to output a Word Joiner proceeding and following each one of these PUA characters. A simple macro activated by a save could then remove all runs of multiple WORD JOINERS to a single WORD JOINER and all occurrences of WORD JOINER + SPACE or SPACE + WORD JOINER to SPACE. I can think of other macro solutions. Well, if OOo would provide an option to do that automatically if no white space preceeds the PUA character, that would be great! I think it would be easy to implement, could be turned on and off, and no changes to the line breaking routines would be necessary... Something like that would be a reasonable enhancement. Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: Prevent word break
John Wiedenhoeft wrote: I'm typesetting some medieval texts using a special font designed for scholars. It contains the standard Latin character set, and some Latin characters that were only used in former times (long S, R rotunda, abbreviation signs). The latter are in the Private use area, but appear as normal elements within a word. Now, the problem is that OOo inserts automated linebreaks before the PUA characters (a bug maybe?). For example (R = R rotunda, part of the PUA): "succRescentibus" breaks into "succ Rescentibus" at the end of a line How do I prevent this, i.e. how do I tell OOo to ONLY break lines at white spaces? See http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr14/tr14-18.html for official Unicode linebeaking algorthms. Private use characters are said to "have as yet unknown line breaking behavior", that is any particular linebreaking behavior must be specially tailored by an application. OOo Writer allows no such tailoring, but allowing a break is as reasonable as preventing one, especially since PUA characters are often special symbols rather than letters. Accordingly OOo Writer's behavior is not a bug. But note also that the Unicode character U+2060 WORD JOINER is an invisible non-spacing character intended as "glue" between characters to prevent breaks. OOo Writer supports this character. It can be inserted through Insert -> Formatting Mark -> No-width no break (short cut keys Alt+I G B). If Field shadings are turned on, the character appears as a narrow, grey, vertical bar, overlapping the preceding character and following character. This should allow you do do what you want. It also should work to prevent breaks when text is converted to other formats that support Unicode. Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: [moderated] YOU MUST GIVE A SUMMARY HERE
Tibor cook wrote: I am using v 2.0.2 Open Office. The platform is WindosXP Professional. I am a Hungarian speaker in an English speaking country. To use special characters amounts to a chicken pecking at grains. Is there a keyboard short-cut system where (sorry to say: as in Microsoft Office) keyboard charcaters can be combined with either ALT or CTRL keys to facilitate easy sellection of special characters on an English key-board? This would allow easy flow of typing without having to purchase a keyboard from another country. There are bi-lingual users and such short-cut facility would be a god-sent. e.g. a short cut run by either visual basic or C++.: á = CRTL + ' + a This would stop me using MS Office altogether. At the moment I am writing text in one, past and copy into Open Office to have it spell checked. Two different solutions: 1. ) For Hungarian specifically, go to the Windows Start Menu, Select "Control Panel", and in that select the "Languages" Tab and click on the "Details" button. In the dialog box that pops up, select "Add". Under "Input Language" select Hungarian. Under "Keyboard layout/IME:" also select Hungarian. Press the "Ok" button. You now have an Hungarian keyboard driver installed as well as your regular keyboard driver and you can switch between them at will. You can press the "Key Settings" button to set particular short-cut keys to switch between the drivers if you want. You can also install other additional drivers for other languages you may want. 2. ) The Microsoft Keyboard Layout Creator is available at http://www.microsoft.com/globaldev/tools/msklc.mspx . This utility allows you to create and install your own customized keyboard drivers. You could create a new version of your normal driver to provides the extra characters you commonly use. Both of these solutions allow you to use the same keyboard combinations in every program, rather than often having to define separate shortcut keys in different programs (for those programs that even allow this). As you appear not to be subscribed to this newsgroup, I have sent a copy of this response to your e-mail address. Please respond or send any further questions only to users@openoffice.org . Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: [moderated] YOU MUST GIVE A SUMMARY HERE
Tibor cook wrote: I am using v 2.0.2 Open Office. The platform is WindosXP Professional. I am a Hungarian speaker in an English speaking country. To use special characters amounts to a chicken pecking at grains. Is there a keyboard short-cut system where (sorry to say: as in Microsoft Office) keyboard charcaters can be combined with either ALT or CTRL keys to facilitate easy sellection of special characters on an English key-board? This would allow easy flow of typing without having to purchase a keyboard from another country. There are bi-lingual users and such short-cut facility would be a god-sent. e.g. a short cut run by either visual basic or C++.: á = CRTL + ' + a This would stop me using MS Office altogether. At the moment I am writing text in one, past and copy into Open Office to have it spell checked. Two different solutions: 1. ) For Hungarian specifically, go to the Windows Start Menu, Select "Control Panel", and in that select the "Languages" Tab and click on the "Details" button. In the dialog box that pops up, select "Add". Under "Input Language" select Hungarian. Under "Keyboard layout/IME:" also select Hungarian. Press the "Ok" button. You now have an Hungarian keyboard driver installed as well as your regular keyboard driver and you can switch between them at will. You can press the "Key Settings" button to set particular short-cut keys to switch between the drivers if you want. You can also install other additional drivers for other languages you may want. 2. ) The Microsoft Keyboard Layout Creator is available at http://www.microsoft.com/globaldev/tools/msklc.mspx . This utility allows you to create and install your own customized keyboard drivers. You could create a new version of your normal driver to provides the extra characters you commonly use. Both of these solutions allow you to use the same keyboard combinations in every program, rather than often having to define separate shortcut keys in different programs (for those programs that even allow this). As you appear not to be subscribed to this newsgroup, I have sent a copy of this response to your e-mail address. Please respond or send any further questions only to users@openoffice.org . Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: tabs outside margins do not show up properly
Immanuel CRC Office wrote: G. Roderick Singleton wrote: On Fri, 2006-06-16 at 09:19 -0400, Immanuel CRC Office wrote: I am converting a Word document and have found that OpenOffice.org does not appear to allow tab stops outside the page margin. For instance, in Word, I have 0.5" left, and 1.1" right on letter paper. This gives me about 6.7" of text space. If I make a right tab at 7.28", the text only goes to the edge of the text space, to 6.7" when I want the text to go beyond. Is there any way to do this? If I look at the settings, they do say 7.28" for the tab, but the text doesn't end up there. If this is not possible, then is the 'workaround' to set the page margins bigger and set most lines in further? That's not really a great solution since it is easier to do extra tab for the lines that want to go out further. Thanks for any help to get s workable solution, Crystle Crystal, I think you have two choices. 1. Use a frame 2. Use the Marginalia feature. (1) is probably the easiest if you do not need to do a lot. And you could always modify the page style. The partial problem is transferring this back and forth with Word people so it needs to be something that is supported in both and easy to use. Frames and Marginalia both don't seem like they will work. Any other ideas out there? Anyone know why OOo can't have a tab stop outside a margin? Since the text margins mark the end positions for text on a page, it makes sense that one cannot place text outside the margin, except by using frames, etc. (That MS Word allows one to tab beyond the margin is an oddity.) However, what might work for you is to increase the right margin position and then define a 2-column table to cover the text area where you want some marginal text. Set the right border of the first column to match your original right margin setting (6.7") and the right border of the second column with your new right margin setting. You can then use a tab to jump to the second column and enter text there. You can set the left border spacing in the second column to create spacing so that text in that column begins at 7.28". If you want a marginal entry at the beginning of each paragraph, you might create a new row in the table for each paragraph. Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: Embedding fonts
Russbucket wrote: Is the an equavilent to the MS Word option to embed true type fonts in the document if I save it as a Word Document. (tools/options/save/embed true type fonts). Search the help files and google . Font embedding is currently only supported (automatically) when exporting to PDF format. See issue 20370 at http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=20370 Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: Special characters
Peter Challenger wrote: I have installed Openoffice 2,0. When I use Microsoft Word and wish to compose a passage in (say) German, I can assign various special characters (A umlaut and the like) to F keys, which makes typing quick and easy; I don't have to insert each special character one at a time. Is there any way of doing a similar thing with Openoffice? And can I produce a "dash" of decent length (not just a hyphen)? OpenOffice itself provides no simple way to modify keyboard input. Keyboard input definitions are left to keyboard drivers and keyboard enhancement utilities then allows the same keystrokes to work in every program. I think this is a better and more structured approach to inputting special characters then having separate special keystrokes for each separate program on your computer ... though some disagree. One common way, for example, to type in German on a standard English operating system is to switch to a German keyboard driver, type the German, and then switch back to a standard keyboard driver. (All current up-to-date popular operating systems come with a large number of supplied keyboard drivers and the ability to customize the keyboard.) You can also assign individual special characters to OpenOffice.org macros. In some case auto-correction will do what you want. Some help on entering special characters in OpenOffice is available in the article "How To Insert Special Characters" at http://documentation.openoffice.org/HOW_TO/index.html Information for some popular keyboard utilities, many of them free, is available at http://www.alanwood.net/unicode/utilities.html Many users of MS Windows like AllChars which available from http://allchars.zwolnet.com/ (though this only allows easy input of characters available from your normal 8-bit character set, not from all of Unicode). As you seem not to be subscribed to this newsgroup, a copy of this post has been sent to your email address. Please send in responses or further questions only to users@openoffice.org Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: mpp files
Stephen wrote: I have recently downloaded Open Office 2.0 and wondered if I could open an mpp file with it. When I tried to "open with" Open Office I was given a long list of options that I didn't know which to pick. Could you advise me please? The extension .mpp normally indicates a Microsoft Project file. OpenOffice.org contains no module corresponding to Microsoft Project and accordingly cannot read Microsoft Project files. When faced with an unknown extension, OpenOffice.org provides the list you saw which allows you to open a file that OpenOffice.org can handle, even if it has a non-standard extension, if you know what type the file is. But Microsoft Project files are not of a type that OpenOffice.org can handle. Since you appear not to be subscribed to this newsgroup, I am sending a copy of this reply to you directly. Please send any response or further questions only to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: embedding fonts
Lisa Barr wrote: I looked and looked in issue tracker but never found out if this is possible? Can you imbed a font into an oo text document? Unfortunately, you cannot do this. See issue 30370 at http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=20370 . Or is there a way to turn special characters created by fonts into graphics so they would go with the document? Most paint and draw programs, including OpenOffice.org Draw, allow you to include text in a graphic using any font on your system and allow you to save it in various common graphic formats. Accordingly you can create a graphic containing either a single character or a block of text and then important that graphic into OOo Writer. Just before the 2nd paragraph and before the word NOTE, there should be a paperclip. it is the font paperclip.ttf and the letter I from that font. What can I do to keep it there when someone else opens the document? If you are intending the document to be read but not edited, you can export it as a PDF. When exporting as a PDF, fonts are embedded in the PDF document. Otherwise, you must either insert your special character as a graphic or provide the font paperclip.ttf with your document and advise users to install it. Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: Modify the dimension of SmallCaps
Ugo wrote: I've tried to set a new character style only for the small cap but it isn't the solution, although it's surely a useful hack. Pagemaker or Indesign, like other layout softwares, have a checkbox in the character properties (or similar) that lets you determine the amount of reduction of *only* the small cap character to obtain a larger or smaller smallcap, so you don't change the global dimension of the font, but you will have the smallcaps at say a 70% of the full dimension. I'm sure, OOorg has a similar function, but it's not accessible to the user, if possible please let me know how OOorg works, and which of the configuration files I must edit to obtain this. Thank You. Unfortunately small capitals appear too small with most fonts in OOo Writer and there is no way to change this. This has been filed as issue 1526. See http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=1526 Unfortunately the developers who have responded don't seem to recognize that the display in OOo Writer for small capitals in most fonts is indeed typographically unacceptable. Any fix has been set for "OOo Later". You might try registering with OpenOffice.org and voting for this issue. As you appear not to be a member of this newsgroup, I am sending a copy of this post to your email address. Please sent any response or further queries only to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: needing help with macro
PAUL PRIMEAU wrote: By the way, what if I wanted to change the size of the subscript or superscipt. Any easy way to do this? The default size of subscript characters is 58% of the normal size. The size of subscript characters and their position relative to the baseline can be changed through Format -> Character... -> Position -> Subscript. Such a change is, rather unexpectedly, permanent, across all styles, until changed again, though subscript characters already created at another size remain unaffected. But I note that when using Ctrl+Shift+B to create apply subscript formatting rather than going through the Format -> Character ... menu that the percentage size remains at 58% rather than using the designated percentage size. I suspect this is a bug rather than a feature. As you appear not to be subscribed to this newsgroup, and copy of this post has been sent to your email address. Please send any response or further questions only to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: needing help with macros
PAUL PRIMEAU wrote: Dear Sirs: I've been trying to create a macro which would provide subscripts in my chemistry notes, so that I could get away from such things as Na2SO4 I think I was on the point of mastering this skill, when something happened, and now when I open up an Open Office letter file, I get a symbol which looks like the paragraph icon, and which cannot be removed. The cursor ALWAYS lines up before the symbol. I thought of removing Open Office, and starting over fresh. Surely this problem would be then solved. I did trry to reinstall the program. But I can't seem to get rid of the original program because even after installing new program, the icon reappears. 1. Any idea as to a quick fix to my problem, or 2. How can I completely eliminate the original program, and make a new start. Thanks for any suggestions you might make. I don't quite see why you need a macro to provide subscripting. By default the key combination Ctrl+Shift+B toggles subscripting off and on, as indicated in the Help file under "Subscript text". You can also find the subscript function under Tools -> Customize which allows you to add it as an icon to a toolbar, add it to a menu, or assign it to other keystrokes if you don't like Ctrl+Shift+B. As to this paragraph icon, your problem isn't clear to me from your description. Could it be that you have View -> Nonprinting characters turned on which makes paragraph ends visible in the form of paragraph characters? (This is often desirable if you are doing complex layout.) If you create a new document and View -> Nonprinting characters is turned on, then you will always see a paragraph character at the beginning of a new document indicating the end of text. As to deleting any macro you wish, use Tools -> Macros -> Organize Macros to find the macro you want to delete and then delete it using the delete button in the dialog box. Since you appear not to be subscribed to this newsgroup, a copy of this message is being sent to your email address. Please send any response or further questions only to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: go to shortcut key
Eric Beversluis wrote: On Tue, 2006-05-09 at 09:55 -0400, Jallan wrote: Eric Beversluis wrote: In Writer, is there no shortcut key for "go to page x"? I can't find anything in the help index under "go" or "go to" nor can I find anything listed on the shortcut keys help page. Press F5 which will open the Navigator. The Navigator includes a spinner in the top toolbar for jumping to any page. Pressing F5 again will close the Navigator. Jallan (Sorry--didn't reply to the list.) The spinner doesn't let me type in a number, it seems. If I'm on p2 and want to go to p 300, that's a long time sitting on the spinner. Are there any alternatives? I'm using OpenOffice.org 2.0.2 under Windows XP SP2 and have no problems keying a page number directly into the spinner. Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: Calc - incompatibility with Excel
Chuck wrote: "Merge and center" would seem to be the obvious choice, except for the fact that I am syncing this spreadsheet with Pocket Excel which does not support "merge and center". Instead it uses "center across selection" which is *not* the same thing though visually they appear similar. CAS is supported by the full version of Excel and is different from merging cells. If I were to remove OOo from the mix and just used Excel, everything would work perfectly. What this thread is pointing out is that OOo 2.02 is not completely compatible with Excel and cannot be safely used in a "mixed" environment which IMO is a show stopper for corporate acceptance. The formatting of a spreadsheet created in Excel will be silently changed by OOo 2.02 if that spreadsheet uses "center across selection". From your examples, it seems that Pocket Excel, which does not support "merge and center" also "cannot be safely used in a 'mixed' environment with regular Excel", which should make Pocket Excel also, by your logic, a show stopper for corporate acceptance. It is *somewhat* dangerous to rely completely on *any* two spreadsheet products exactly translating data and formatting from one to the other, including different version of the same spreadsheet product, especially if the spreadsheet uses macros. The OOo2.0 Migration Guide available at http://documentation.openoffice.org/manuals/index.html provides various examples of incompatibilities and necessary workarounds between OpenOffice.org and comparable products produced by Microsoft and others. But I don't think "corporate" acceptance is an issue especially. The same problems occurs for individuals. And the corporation I work for uses both MS Excel and OOo Calc depending on department, with no difficulties that I am aware of, because there is little or no passing of *complex* spreadsheets back *and forth* between Excel and Calc. You are quite right that the level of compatibility needed is an important issue that corporations and departments within corporations need to consider very carefully. Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: go to shortcut key
Eric Beversluis wrote: In Writer, is there no shortcut key for "go to page x"? I can't find anything in the help index under "go" or "go to" nor can I find anything listed on the shortcut keys help page. Press F5 which will open the Navigator. The Navigator includes a spinner in the top toolbar for jumping to any page. Pressing F5 again will close the Navigator. Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: HELP!!
Reuel Reis wrote: It appears that i have copied over a homework assignment with an older version of the same file somehowis their any way to recover the progress I made? Check under Tools -> Options... -> Load/Save -> General. If "Always create backup copy" is checked, then there may be a backup copy with the version of the file that you want. You can find the location of your backups through Tools -> Options... -> OpenOffice.org -> Paths. The backup you are looking for should have the same stem name as your file but with the extension .BAK. You can open it from within OOo Writer. You can also check in the folder indicated for "Temporary Files". You will find a number of files there with meaningless names. Try opening those created around the time you believed that the overwriting occurred. Some of these files may contain at least part of the material you want to recover. As you appear not to be subscribed to this newsgroup, I am sending a copy of this post directly to your email address. Please send any response or further questions only to users@openoffice.org . Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: Change page stye in a news letter.
Leon O. Kearns wrote: I write a newsletter for our Geneolagy Society in which I use three columns on each page but now I want to add some pictures on the next four pages and I want use a full page. I have the pages with the pictures in a file but don't know how to add them as pgs 6, 7, 8, 9. I tried the "page break" but from the instructions I was unable to figure out how to make that work. I need to be able to send the file by e mail and also print copies to snail mail. The help file is beyond my knowledge I need it dumbed down as bit. It does help being a senior citizen either. Help Presumably your three columns exist either within a three-column table, a three three-column page style, or a three-column section. If your are using a table, you should have no difficulty in moving to the end of your document below the table and pressing Ctrl-Enter to force a new page. That you are having difficulty suggests to me that you have been using a page style or section. The name of the current page style will appear in the second panel in the status bar at the bottom of the current window. It will probably be "Default". Move your cursor to the end of your current document, then press Ctrl-Enter. This will provide a new page still in three-column format. Make sure your cursor is on that page. Then press F11 to bring up the Stylist. Select the 4th icon in the toolbar at the top of the Stylist which will show the list of currently available page styles. Your current page style, probably "Default" will be highlighted. Right-click on this page style and select "New". In the dialog box the comes up, give it some reasonable name, such as "Illustration". In the "Columns" tab set the number of columns to 1. Exit the dialog box. You should now have a blank, single-column page at the end of your document into which you can paste your illustration page data. As to sending your newsletter by e-mail, one normal procedure is to use File -> Export as PDF to create a PDF version of your document which almost all computer users will be able to read. You may also wish to compress the resulting PDF file with a zip utility. Then attach it to each email which you wish to send. For the hard copies you wish to print, just print the file using File -> Print, setting printer settings appropriately in the printer dialog box that comes up. Note that if you click on "Options" in this dialog box, you have the choice to print only the left pages or the right pages. If you don't have a duplex printer, this allows you to print all the left pages on one side of your sheets, then load the sheets in again backwards, and print the right pages on the back. Since you appear not to be subscribed to this newsgroup, a copy of this post has been forwarded to you. Please send any further questions or comments only to users@openoffice.org . Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: problem using vertical text boxes o.o version 2.0
Bill Flanagan wrote: What is CJK? A common abbreviation for "Chinese/Japanese/Korean". Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: open office and reveal codes
Robin Laing wrote: jonathon wrote: Ross, Steve wrote: Does your format have anything like the reveal codes format in WordPerfect, Very short answer: Yes. Johathon, Where is the reveal codes feature? I would be interested. There is the Macro but that is not the same, only close. The best option I have seen is to uncompress the odt file and look at the xml code. Well, View -> Nonprinting characters, View -> Field shadings, and View -> Text Boundaries provide much the same ability (if all turned on) in revealing the few actual codes which occur within the text stream and also some of the underlying structure of the document. But OOo Writer, like most current word processors and desktop publishers uses very few formatting codes in the text stream (just those defined by Unicode) and so there aren't many to be revealed. Another workaround if some complex formatting is puzzling is to copy and paste some text from an OOo Writer document into an OOo HTML window and then view it in source code mode. (Though not all formatting is translated properly to HTML, in a lot of cases this indicates clearly enough where a particular bit of formatting would be turned of and on by internal formatting tags if OOo Writer did generally use internal formatting tags.) Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: Toggle case change
Lobo wrote: OpenOffice needs these case change options to be added: 1. Sentence Case (the first character of a section capitalized, all other characters lower case) Tools -> AutoCorrect -> Options provides "Capitalize the first letter of every sentence." I realize this is not precisely what you are asking for here, since you use the word "section" rather than "sentence", (I presume meaning "selection"). Selecting Format -> Lowercase followed by Format -> Autoformat -> Apply may practically cover most cases. You could probably set up a macro to do this. 2. Title Case (the first letter of each word capitalized, all other characters lower case) This is available as an effect through Format -> Character -> Font effects -> Effects. Because this is an effect, the actual data itself is not changed. 3. Toggle Case (individually invert case of each individual character in a selected section) Not available. I can see this option being useful if you are typing with Caps Lock on without realizing it. Also, it is perhaps a little easier to uppercase or lowercase a section of text with one single menu item or command instead of using two separate commands. See issues 1601 http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=1601 and 12454 http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=12454 . I've also noticed a strange capitalization behavior with Writer: Instead of actually capitalizing characters, it sometimes uses some kind of code that makes the characters display as capitals, but the actual characters remain lower case. This is most apparent when a completed file is saved as a text-only file, and certain words that appear to be all caps in Writer are either all lower case or random case in the text file. MS Word has this difference also, depending on how you apply uppercasing and lowercasing. In OOo Writer, if you use Format -> Change Case, the data itself is changed. If you use Format -> Character... -> Font Effects -> Effects, then only the appearance is changed, not the underlying data. Whether casing effects should produce a casing change in the data itself when saving to text or HTML or any other format that does not support a casing effect is arguable. Personally, I think it should. See issue 27346 at http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=27346 Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: PDF Converter
Timothy Quek wrote: I just want to convert MS Word files into PDF. Which programs or files to download and run ? None of them, really. OOo Writer, within OOo Office, converts MS Word files reasonably well, depending on how you define reasonably. You might like OpenOffice.org for its own features. It's comparable to MS Word and does some things better and some things not so well, and does includes an export to PDF feature. But OOo Writer is not a good answer for *exact* conversion of MS Word files to PDF, especially if they are very complex files. To convert from MS Word into PDF precisely you would be better off with one of the numerous free PDF printer drivers, such as Primo Pdf and Cute Pdf Writer. Do a Google on those names. As you appear not to be subscribed to this mailing list, a copy of this post has been sent directly to you. Please send any further comments on questions only to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: DOS Files
Mac McClain wrote: I have a very old computer that I continue to use but would like to move some of my work to my newer computer. I have moved a few of the spreadsheets (with mixed success) and would like to move some of the text files. I am running Windows XP Home and OOo 2.0.2 (I think). I have some DOS print files (.prn) that are normally printed on an Epson printer so they have imbedded escape characters to force the printer to hi-lite some words plus forced page ejects. How do I get these characters translated in OOo Writer to get the Lexmark Z715 to do the same thing? Is this even possible or should I just plan on keeping my old gear forever? Thanks for any words of wisdom you all can provide. A cursory Google search doesn't reveal any utility that would convert Epson print codes. It probably wouldn't be hard to write one that would convert Epson print files into HTML, with a graphic indicator such as "^L" for forced page breaks. OOo Writer reads old-style HTML well enough. If you are familiar with any programming language, it would only a matter of reading each file into a variable, replacing Epson code sequences with corresponding direct HTML code sequencers, then saving the variable as a converted HTML file. Unfortunately Epson control sequennces include some ASCII control characters that OOo Writer filters out, so it couldn't be done internally through a Writer macro. Jallan Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: [moderated]
Peter wrote: hello I just downloaded openoffice and tryed to use it buit it doesn't have a dictionare can you please help me with this to fix this thanks Various dictionaries come with OpenOffice.org and there are many more available on line. To see what dictionaries are installed go to Tools -> Options... -> Language Settings -> Writing Aids, mouse-press "Edit", and see what languages appear in the "Language" drop down list and see whether or not a spell check dictionary, a hyphenation dictionary, and a thesaurus are actually installed for each language that appears. Your email address indicates New Zealand origin, and I suspect your problem is that you have set your default language within OpenOffice.org to English (New Zealand) which is fine. However English (New Zealand) dictionaries are not included by default in the English download packaged and so OpenOffice.org is now unable to spell check your text. To obtain and install any available spell check dictionary, hyphenation dictionary, or thesaurus use File -> Wizards -> Install new dictionaries. These include English (New Zealand) versions. In OpenOffice.org, language is an attribute of text and can be set for a current text selection through Format -> Character -> Font and for each particular paragraph style and character style by accessing the Stylist by pressing F11, selecting a style, right-clicking, selecting "Modify", and then selecting the "Font" tab and changing the language as you wish. This allows you to have, for example, most of your text set as English (New Zealand), but sections quoted from U.S. sources as English (USA). Then spell checking will use the English (New Zealand) dictionary for text marked as English (New Zealand), the English (USA) dictionary for text marked as English (USA), and so forth for other variations of English and for other languages and their variations, if you have a spell checking dictionary installed for that language. Since you appear not to be subscribed to this news group, a copy of this post is being sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Please send any further questions or comments only to users@openoffice.org . Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: database problem
shane wrote: wonder if you could help me with a problem that seams to have come out of the blue - using open office 2.0.1 on a dell dimension 5000 windows xp home edition - i use the spreadsheet with a password for my banking as i say on opening the file today instead of going to password it takes me to a box that is headed ASCII Filter Options - what ever i enter or not enter it appears to take me to open office writer and put a load of nonsence letters symbols on screen - tried reloading file from a backup file on dvd and uninstalling and reinstalling open office any ideas You haven't provided the type of file. If the file extension is either .ods or .sxc, and you can still read other files of that kind, then the file itself has somehow become corrupted. Note: the fact that you have placed a password on a file does not prevent anyone from opening a file in an application such as a text editor, changing the garbage they see either accidentally or purposely, and then resaving. If the file has accidently got the incorrect suffix attached to it, just renaming the file in Windows to have the correct suffix, whether .ods or .sxc, should fix it. If your are saving in another format, such as Excel format (extension .xls) you might try opening this in another application that can read this sort of file such as MS Excel for an .xls file). If the other application can open it, try resaving, possibly in different formats, and try opening those formats in Calc. If you have automatic backup turned on, then you may have an earlier uncorrupt version of the file you can use. (The backup facility can be turned on in Tools -> Options... -> OpenOffice.org -> Load/Save -> General.) If you have this backup facility turned on, then you should find a backup file in the path listed in Tools -> Options... -> OpenOffice.org -> Paths with the same stem name as your problem file but with the extension .bak. You should be able to open this from within OpenOffice.org. As you appear not to be a subscriber to this newsgroup, a copy of this post is being sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Please send any further information or comments on this post only to users@openoffice.org . Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: Thesaurus
Andy Pepperdine wrote: On Linux, I would go to Tools -> Options -> OpenOffice.org -> Paths and find where the dictionaries are stored. You will want to check User-defined dictionaries, and maybe Dictionaries. Look for a file dictionary.lst and edit out the lines you do not need. On Windows, I guess something similar would work. Bear in mind which dictionaries are common to the whole installation (i.e. all users who have access to your system) and those only you use. Yes, exactly the same method works on Windows. Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: Deletion of Open Office Software
Anthony Chilco wrote: Hi Michael, You can remove OpenOffice in the same way that you would remove any other installed software. If you're using windows, open the control panel, then 'add/remove programs', find openoffice in the list and click 'remove'. If it's not in the list, browse to the openoffice program directory and find 'setup.exe' and run it. One of the options will be 'remove'. In either case you will have to ensure that no part of OOo is running when you're trying to remove it. If you have enable the OOo quickstarter, you'll have to terminate it. Check the system tray for on OOo icon. If it's there, right-click it and select 'exit quickstarter', then uninstall. tc You appear not to be subscribed to the users mailing list. You could miss many of the replies to your post unless you do subscribe. Just send a blank message addressed to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> using the e-mail account through which you want to receive it. You will receive a message asking you to confirm your subscription by replying to it. See http://support.openoffice.org/index.html for more options. Michael Duerr wrote: is there anyone who can assist on total deletion of the software from my hard drive shy of wiping it clean and doing a complete re-install of my entire system? Anthony Chilco's instructions are fine so far as they go. However OOo still leaves behind configuration files, templates, backups, auto-correction definitions, user dictionaries and so forth so that the user can reinstall the same version or install a newer version and retain various settings and customizations. For the location of these files and folders, within OpenOffice.org go to Tools -> Options... -> OpenOffice.org -> Paths. If you are sure you don't want any of these to be retained, then you can delete these folders after uninstalling. (Or you can copy them somewhere else, and then paste some of the files back after a reinstall). Be sure to delete only the lowest level folders. Some of these folders are hidden and you will have to set your operating system properly to view hidden folders in order to delete them. Under Windows, registry references to OOo may also be left behind. See Issue 45477 at http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=45477 Currently the only way to get rid of these is to remove them manually. Under Windows, there is also a shortcut left in the Startup folder. See Issue 63471 at http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=63471 . Presumably similar footprints may be left behind under other operating systems. If you have installed a JRE with OpenOffice.org, you might have to uninstall it separately if you don't want to keep it. I have no idea whether it also may leave some remnants behind. As you appear not to be subscribed to this newsgroup, a copy of this post has been sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Please send any further questions or responses only to users@openoffice.org . Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: How to merely specify SOME properties in a character style
Malte Stien wrote: I have a question in regard to Character Styles. Is it possible to merely specify some properties in a character style as opposed to all? In my particular case I have a character style "Code" for a technical document. All I want that character style to do is to change the font to Courier New and to condense the spacing a little; all the other properties, such as font-size and style should be whatever they are for the paragraph that the text appears in. Text of the "Code" character-style appears in different places in the document, such as within the text body, in examples, in footnotes and in tables. For instance, while my text body is set in 12pt, my examples are all 10pt. So, I can't use the "Code" character-style in both of them as it would format the text in whatever font-size has been specified in the "Code" character-style; I would need to create two "Code" character-styles, one for 12pt and one for 10pt, which is obviously an awkward way to go. I would like to use the "Code" character-style in any of those contexts and merely let it have an effect on the font and the spacing, leaving the font-size and all the rest of it alone. Is there any way of doing that? Use the predefined character style called "Source Text" which I believe will do exactly what you want. The meaning of the name "Source Text" is "source code text" and its purpose is to set computer code text. You can modify the "Source Text" style to condense the letter spacing if you want. Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: I have v.2.0, on an XP machine - SUGGESTION
Kevin J. Begley wrote: Word has a drop down box where I can paste in formated text from a webpage (like Matrindale.com), which has formatting I don't want, and "remove all formatting", whcih is a useful feature. With OpenOffice, I'l also opening a plaint text editor and having to paste in the text there first, then copying and pasting into OpenOffice. To paste into OOo Writer as unformatted text, try Edit -> Paste Special or pressing Ctrl-Shift-V. This brings up a small menu which always includes the item "Unformatted text" which may give you what you want. Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: How do you enter a non-breaking hyphen?
Jeffery Small wrote: The on-line help for Writer says that you enter a non-breaking hyphen by holding down Shift-Ctrl and pressing the minus sign. However, on most keyboards, the shifted minus key is the underscore and I get a non-breaking underscore when I try this. I tried a simple Ctrl + the minus key but this does not work. The Shift-Ctrl-hyphen key should work on any system, using either the hyphen in the main keyboard array or the hyphen on the numeric keypad. I use this quite a bit under Windows XP SP2. Are you pressing the shift key, the control key, and the hyphen key, all three at the same time? Pressing Ctrl and the hyphen key simultaneously should give you instead an optional hyphen which will normally appear as a non-spacing hyphen with a gray background on the screen display but will not appear on printouts, unless the a line break could fall at that position, in which case the line break occurs and the character prints as a normal hyphen at the end of the line. You can also obtain both these characters by the menu system though Insert -> Formatting mark and through the corresponding menu shortcut keys. Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: Identify hard page break
Eric Beversluis wrote: Now I'm confused. I assumed that if "Print Layout" wasn't selected then the document appeared as it does in Word's "normal" layout, the main benefit of which, to me, if smooth scrolling and not showing margins etc. Is "web layout" something different than this? This is why I don't work in page layout--I find the discontinuities as the program jumps from one page to the next to be extremely bothersome. Is "web layout" something different than this? Web Layout corresponds to MS Word's Web Layout, intended to be used for documents for web publishing. Essentially it displays things the same as the Print Layout, except that all page attributes are missing. Essentially the margins become the width of your window and the page depth becomes infinite. The status bar at the bottom of the window will always show "1/1" in this mode, meaning page 1 of 1 page, regardless how much you type. Presumably even in "web layout" the information for the page break is there, since it doesn't get lost if I go back to "print layout." What I need is to know how, when working with this "smooth" presentation mode, to see where the hard page breaks are. One would even need to see them in "print layout," since once can't always tell by the amount of space at the end of the page whether there's a hard page break inserted. As already mentioned, in print layout, the thin top border line on a page created by a forced page break defaults to a blue color. I have one suggestion. Presumably, you are inserting manual page breaks to mark the end of some kind of section in your document. After creating this break, you might then select that entire section and do Insert -> Section ..., giving your new section a relevant name. By default, lines marking the beginning and end of section will appear in the Web Layout window as well as in the Print Layout window. And you will have the benefit of a better organized document and being able to quickly jump any of these sections through the Navigator. Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: Conversaion
Dennis J. Tuchler wrote: I am having an awful time with conversion to .rtf format, especially with line spacing and indents. Is anyone else having difficulty with such conversions? I'm not, using Windows XP Sp2 and OOo 2.2, though I don't use .rtf much. The one bug I've noticed is that after an initial save to rtf, a bunch of style and setting information sometimes appears as text at the top of the first page on a reload. If I delete that information and resave, its gone (for good?). By the way, automatic indents don't work on conversion. If you expect to convert a document to Word or RTF, you should set the indent by hand on the paragraph formatting page. I'm not sure what you mean by "automatic indents". I've just tested this for indents set by style and by direct formatting using Format -> Paragraph. All the indents I created, and I used all three indent settings, carried over correctly, appearing properly when the text was loaded into Wordpad or when loaded back into Writer. Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: Oo and printers
Jim Patterson wrote: Cor Nouws wrote: Hi Jim, Jim Patterson wrote: I have been running into a problem with documents not going to the default printer. In cups I have the default printer set to PrinterA, but whenever I start to print it prints to PrinterB. I check in printer setup and it indicates that the default printer is PrinterB. If I reset it here and print then it will print to PrinterA, but the next document I open then it's back to printing to PrinterB. Could it be the following: The printer name is kept in the template. So if you change your default template to link to printerA, that will work for new docs. Greetings, Cor This didn't appear to work for documents which I get from somewhere else. No, it won't, by design. Some applications default to printing with whatever your default system printer happens to be at the moment. Others embed information on the last printer used into a document. It is not only OOo that does this ... Quark Express is one application that I can think of that has always done this. Sometimes when a document remembers a printer that behavior is just what I want. At other times it is annoying. But the same is true for applications where printer information is not saved, and I forget next day that on the previous day I've set my default printer away from its normal setting for a special job, and perhaps set its internal settings oddly as well, and I neglect to look at the printer setting display in the printing dialog box. My 50 page document has been printed as 50 separate graphic tiff files on the Xerox Docuprint server. A reasonable enhancement might be a check box in the printer dialog box saying "Use system default printer" (which would be sticky in a document), as well as a global override among the OOo options to force use of the default printer", regardless of document preferences, except when the user manually changes it when actually printing. Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: Reveal Codes
Cor Nouws wrote: I didn't notice an exeption for the default paragraph style. Every paragraph style (well, I only tried six ;-) has the same behaviour. When pasted, direct formatting (be it by Ctrl-B or character styles) the formatting is included. When text without direct formatting is pasted, it gets the formatting of where it is placed. Not, exactly. That's the problem. I will use * to indicate bold and _ to indicate italic. Type two lines in a clean paragraph: Now is the time for all* good *_men _to come to the aid of the party. *_The_ *quick* brown dog *_ jumps over _ the lazy dog. Use emphasis and strong emphasis styles instead of italics and bolding if you want. Note I have applied the effects to surrounding spaces, something that sometimes happens by accident, and sometimes ought to be done, as with a bold typeface embedded in non-bold text, or a fixed width font embedded in proportional text. Copy and paste the second sentence into the first one, so that either the beginning the pasted sentence touches any of the characters with italic or bold attributes. Watch the formatting all of non-italic, non-bold characters die. The example is forced. But this kind of situation is real, as anyone who has worked with complex technical manuals, foreign grammars, and various other technical writing knows. One does use quite a potpourri various visual styles within the text, and as in any document, when writing this kind of stuff, one does move things about with cutting and pasting. That all the formatting in a string that matches the paragraph default character formatting should be blown away if it is pasted so that it happens to follow a single character with any different formatting attributes from the normal paragraph character style is surprising and not pleasant, at least to me. I could live with your rule as well. But I think pasting text without direct formatting adapts to the place where pasted, is easier than that it doesn't adapt. That would influence every paste action. The rules may be logical. I'm almost certain they are. But the question is whether this particular logical behavior is desirable logical behavior or whether it should be replaced by different logical behavior that more users are likely to desire. Who asked for character attributes to be spread by contact, like a kind of plague? The easy answer out of this situation, when it is only the default paragraph character style that automatically changes, is to avoid use of the default paragraph character style. Styles should make complex text easier, not more difficult. Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: Reveal Codes
Cor Nouws wrote: I don't think it is a bug. If I paste text with character-formatting in paragraph (with of course a style), it is logic that the pasted text has character-formatting. If I want to paste without formatting, I choose 'Paste Special'. Quite reasonable. But making an exception for the default paragraph character style is not so reasonable, especially if you are working with text in a number of different formats adjoining each other, for example dictionary entries or grammatical text. There bold, italic, and roman text commonly touch one another. After all, spaces also must be one of these three. It is annoying when pasting mixed material of this sort into other mixed material to see your normal roman text suddenly become italicized or bold, not retaining its necessary character-formatting, not following your reasonable logic, but following a more complex logic. It's nice to know now I could have avoid this unpleasantness by the kludge of setting my default paragraph font to something like Algerian and then just using direct formatting instead to paste over it. But I really shouldn't be encouraged into a kludge like that. And if I need to get rid of unwnated formatting (mostly in others work) I choose Format|Default. Removes all direct formatting. Easy enough. But the difficulty is that the changing of text in the normal paragraph font style into bold and italic was unwanted formatting. Yes, I can get rid of the unwanted, automatic, formatting changes of my normal text to bold or italic by selecting each such section and applying Format-Default. If only OOo Writer had followed your logic and the formatting had indeed been left alone when I pasted. Increasingly I found myself using Paste Special, not to paste without formatting, but to paste *with* formatting, using the RTF option and then removing the extra paragraph it inserts, just to keep the formatting I wanted. I can see the logic of considering the default character attributes in a paragraph style as sort of a background text style, to be treated specially. But I don't think it was a good idea to follow that particular logic. I prefer the logic you first indicated: pasting defaults to retaining formatting, and would prefer that being the rule in all circumstances. Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: Reveal Codes
klaus schmirler wrote: I appreciate your efforts trying to explain the difference - and making a comment re further ahead in the discussion, I can very well imagine e.g. a tree opening from the context menu, starting with the names of page, paragraph, character &c. styles and then branching out to the nitty gritty, as long as it shows _everything_. But from your description, I would expect the opposite behaviour of WP and OOo in this experiment: Write two lines of anything, bolden one of them (whether by defining a character style or with the button up on the menu doesn't make a difference). Now select a couple of letters from one line; push them into the other. And vice versa. Wordperfect behaves symmetrically: the new letters in the normal line are bold, and the new letters in the bold line are normal. In OOo, both end up bold, which tells me that only Bold is an attribute, and that there is simply nothing set in the normal line: not every character has the full set of attributes. My thinking or OOo's way of working, which is wrong? Let's assume that your original paragraph is in the Default paragraph style. Select the entire paragraph and press Ctrl-Shift-Space to remove all direct formatting. Now press F11, select the "Default" paragraph style, right-click, select "Modify", and under the fonts tab change the style of the paragraph font to bold. The entire paragraph now becomes bold. Try the experiment again. The opposite now occurs. A bit of normal text copied and pasted into the middle of some bold text retains its normal attribute, but a bit of bold text pasted into the middle of the normal text loses its boldness. Now the results of both pastings end up normal. So by your logic Normal weight is now an attribute and Bold is not. It seems that what happens in both cases, when two sets of attributes collide on pasting, the underlying paragraph set of attributes is the one that yields. I'm not sure whether this is a bug or not ... but it is certainly not intuitive, at least not to me. I don't like it. I notice that more special attributes like color are retained, as I would expect. It looks like it is only bold and italic that act strangely. However, I don't have much trouble with it, probably because I've gotten used to using Paste Special when attempting to paste formatted text, and so have ceased to notice this weird behavior. I have memories of OOo Writer acting weirdly in the past when I was first using it and sometimes attempted to paste formatted text. But I just cursed it, fixed the problem manually, and moved on, having no time to consider carefully what was wrong. Probably it is from such incidents that I've picked up the habit of using Paste Special and specifically choosing whether I want the text to be pasted with its formatting or to take on the formatting of the text into which it is pasted. Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: Thunderbird doesn't remove expired articles for this newsgroup
Herbert Eppel wrote: On 03.04.2006 05:14 UK Time, Rod Engelsman wrote: Herbert Eppel wrote: Am I the only person with this problem? No, you aren't alone. I have never been able to get the "remove expired article" thing to work either. You might try running "Compact Folders" and if that doesn't help, exit TB completely, delete the .msf file and restart. Thanks, I tried all that, but sadly the massive .msf file is simply recreated :-( I don't think it is a Thunderbird problem, because it works alright with other newsgroups, and as I said, one of the Mozilla Champion confirmed that it appears to be a particular issue with the OOo newsgroups (or possibly the gmane server). It is turning into a little more than just a minor annoyance - any further comments? Personally, I've never noticed this problem, as I've set the properties of g.c.o. questions under news.gmaine,org to "Delete messages more than [7] days old", which works. Oddly, I don't find any option "Remove expired article." Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: reveal codes
27;s menus or dialog boxes either. That you can *change codes* here, formatting codes that don't exist internally in most word processing applications or publishing applications is another matter. Somehow you missed the blinking attribute in the obvious place in the "Character" dialog box and also in the applicable "Paragraph Style:" dialog box, and in the applicable "Character Style:" dialog box. Nothing can help if you don't look at what is on the screen. You can equally misread or skip formatting tags in HTML source code or LaTex if you don't pay attention. I love learning but writing isn't my job. It is less than 10% of my job. If 10% of your job involves editing documents, then you need to learn to use whatever your tools are to do it well. A writer can more easily ignore the complex features of a word processor than can an editor. Again I recall that secretary who manually inserted headers and footers into the main text of documents because she claimed she didn't have time to learn the how to automatic headers and footers in MS Word, and it was too complicated. After all, changing existing documents was probably only about 10% of her job. So she manually recut and pasted those headers and footers and manually changed the page numbers every time a document needed to be edited and reformatted. And there was the invoicer who worked with templates in Excel to produce invoices, but did all the math with a calculator and then typed the results into the spreadsheet rather than using Excel's own calculation abilities. I talk to other users and many that have used Word complain about the way it formats a document. Not surprising! People complain about every computer application, including Word Perfect. Word Perfect users have also been complaining for years about Corel's lack of improvements in Word Perfect. Those of us who use OOo Writer also complain about OOo Writer's lacks, as we individually perceive them. Enough of a complaint to end up swearing when it screws up their document and won't undo. I have heard enough people apologize for this already. "Won't undo!" Or is it that the user's don't know how to undo something and won't take the time to learn, just blame it on no "reveal codes". Or that they've just stumbled across one of the annoyances that every one of us have when we use different software that does things differently, or when we use familiar software in new ways and it doesn't behave like we think it should. You've complained that "blinking" wouldn't undo. But it wasn't OOo Writer's fault. You missed the attribute setting everywhere. But at least you had the font name and font size and whether or not bold or italic were applied right on the top of your screen. You could have copied the text and done a special paste as unformatted text elsewhere in your document, applied that font at that size (with bolding or italics or underlining if required), deleted all the text from your Heading 1 paragraph, and then copied and pasted the fixed text into it. You could have done this in less time than it took you to post your message on this problem. You could have pasted the current heading into an HTML screen, changed the HTML source code there, then pasted it back. Once one heading was fixed, you could have used the formatting broom to apply its formatting to all the other headings. Perhaps you did something like this. How did you eventually fix it? Most of these people move to LaTeX. One is trying to use OOo and has even created his own templates but still has problems of getting imported documents to formatted the way the original documents. Irrelevant. Import a Word document into Word Perfect, and it sometimes won't format exactly like the original either. I have to deal regularly with Quark Express documents imported from a Macintosh system to a Windows system, and minor differences in formatting appear which I must fix. That is normal. You seemingly must use OOo Office, but you don't learn it. Then you blame the application because you won't make the time. Yet the most trivial problems are it seems taking up a great deal of the time you are spending on it. You claim to want something like "Reveal Codes", but were not working with OOo Writer's View -> Nonprinting characters set on, which does reveal the few code tokens used by OOo Writer. OOo Writer is far from perfect and its interface can be improved. But if you won't make an effort to learn how it does things, and how any other new software you are compelled to use, does things, then you are the one who suffers, not the software. Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Jallan wrote: You can also fix this in a non-structural fashion by doing a Find & Replace to "Find All" text in Header 1 style, and then turn off the blinking in Format -> Characters... -> Font Effects through direct formatting, turning it off for all the found text at once. And Jallan just realized that a far-easier non-structured method would be to select all text in the document with Ctrl-A and turn off blinking everywhere with Format -> Characters ... -> Font Effects. Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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s that don't work the way you are trying to make them work. The interface you describe won't help in such matters, as it still wouldn't show anything that is not seeable now by looking at the formatting dialog boxes for the current object. The example I have used is verticle text in an imported document. I spent two or three days trying to get it sorted out. I never did. I ended up having to use Word. But that seems to have been a bug, not something that any revelation of applied properties would have aided with, since OOo Writer is purportedly not capable of displaying text in vertically stacked format. And another that I have is "Flashing Text" The style is Header 1 which is used many times in this document. This is the only one that flashes. Now I do know that the author has used allot of direct formatting within this document because if I apply the Header 1 style, it will change the look of line. This is where a different style should have been used. Now if I could only fully reformat the document. Not an option though. What is the problem? Do all headers that should be at that level blink? Then triple-click on a current header that blinks which shows as being in the Header 1 style but is otherwise in the format you want these headers to be in. Use Format -> Characters... -> Font Effects to turn the blinking off for that header. Make any other font formatting changes you might want. Keep the modified header selected. In the Stylist, in the paragraph styles, select Header 1 (which should already be selected). In the drop down menu that comes from the small arrow at the end of the Stylist toolbar, select "Update style". The Header 1 style attributes will be updated to match the selected text and all text in the document in the Header 1 style should now show this new formatting, that is, they should appear exactly as they did, but without the blinking (if, in fact, they were actually all directly formatted identically in the document as you received it). And you no longer have any direct formatting in your Header 1 headers. they match exactly the Header 1 style. You can also fix this in a non-structural fashion by doing a Find & Replace to "Find All" text in Header 1 style, and then turn off the blinking in Format -> Characters... -> Font Effects through direct formatting, turning it off for all the found text at once. You don't have to know what particular attributes are set in some text to either modify a style to be just like it or to create a new style just like it. If someone has produced a document using direct formatting throughout, it usually not very difficult to move the direct formatting choices for various headers into the appropriate header styles definitions. I do agree but the Reveal Codes has been brought up so many times over the years. I have messages from 2003 on this. The RC issue was created in 2002-Mar-07. Of course. People always want whatever they liked in old software to be carried over into new software, including myself. But they can't always get this and there are sometimes good reasons why not. Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Robin Laing wrote: Jonathon Blake wrote: You can easily find where styles changes in the document. Finding all changes based on direct formatting is less easy. In most cases, certainly over 90% of such changes in most documents, just look at the screen. But for less visible changes, say a small reduction of character spacing in some text to force a line break exactly where wanted, there is no *easy* way to spot the differences. You can select text between visible changes, then look in Format -> Character... to see if any of the values are greyed out. If they are, that indicates that this value is being changed somewhere in your text selection. You can also often find out where direct formatting occurs by pressing Ctrl-Shift-Space alternating with Ctrl-Z and seeing what jumps. Directly formatted language property changes between sections of text are usually not visible at all, say a change between Canadian English and Australian English. This is indeed less than satisfactory. That is one reason why strict use of styles is recommended over direct formatting in OOo Writer. In OOo Writer you can far more easily see any changes in style. Accordingly, if you don't use any direct formatting then the problem of seeing direct formatting that is not easily visible vanishes. That doesn't seem to me to be a philosophically satisfactory reason to always use styles ... to cover a hole in the interface, though it is certainly a practical reason to use styles in the case of OOo Writer. If you want to search for text ranges that have particular attributes, of course you mostly find all text ranges with the attributes you are searching for by using Find & Replace. This is often *very* helpful in finding odd bits of formatting that you know to look for, as it finds everything. Play with it using a complicated document and see. Many in this thread have expressed a general wish for an easy way to ascertain text range boundaries. (Even a simple context menu command "Select current text range" would be a help.) A character formatting toolbar like that in Quark Express would also be of help (and there are many other possible solutions). Meanwhile, learn to use what is available. Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Robin Laing wrote: Please tell me how as I have been through everything and I cannot find any way to show me within my text where formatting changes. I looked through the styles pdf from OOo web site and I cannot find out how to do this. Surely in far more than 90% of the documents you handle, you just look at the screen and "see" where the formatting changes. For the rest, you - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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John Meyer wrote: Chad Smith wrote: But is it text (editable / copyable) - or just a big picture? I thought the whole point of putting out a PDF was so that other people won't edit it. Yes, one of the points about PDF's is that it is difficult to edit the *original*. But normally, unless special protection is enabled, users are able to copy and paste the text elements and graphic elements into a suitable application. And for most uses, one wants the text to be available for copying as text, not as just as patterns in a graphic image. Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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ocument. I know a change has taken place but I don't know where. This is obvious with RC's. But you can usually see on the screen whether attribute changes take place before or after a space if you turn on View -> Nonprinting characters and look at the dot that represents the space. It's small, but usually clear enough when comparing two spaces on either side of a word whether the style of the two spaces match. If it's not clear, though it usually is, you have the font name, font size, and three separate attributes of the current characters at the top of the window. And you can add other character attribute buttons to the current toolbar or a toolbar of your own if you want. I don't recall ever having trouble easily finding out whether an attribute changes before or after a particular space, when I cared about it. And I am the kind of niggler who does are about such things. The spaces around a word or section of text in boldface should also be bold. I've even jiggered with changing the font widths on spaces following italic text to increase the spacing for better appearance. As to whether a character *style* changes, just press F11 and look at the highlighted names in the character style listing in the Stylist. But you don't *want* to do that. Fair enough. But I don't really *want* one single dialog box filling the screen with irrelevancies about paragraph indents and paragraph spacing and over 30 paragraph formatting features when I'm working with characters. How can this happen? Simple, someone edits a document and deletes a line, one character at a time but leaves one blank space. I don't know how many times I have gone to insert some text only to insert it within the wrong style and end up with the wrong format because I don't know where the style ends. Or worse, I cannot paste it within the style. So if you make such an error, press CTRL-Z, move back or forward one space, and insert your text again. Then fix the space also if you want. This is hardly worth fussing over. You don't have to know or care what the wrong formatting was. Just fix it and move on. I don't know what you mean by "I cannot paste it within the style". If you want the attributes of the pasted text to remain, then do a normal paste. If you want the attributes of the passage into which you are pasting the text to take precedence, do Paste Special and choose "Unformatted text". If you have another problem, then explain what your problem is. You are obviously having problems. So provide details of one at least of the problems, not undetailed references to things that don't work the way you are trying to make them work. The interface you describe won't help in such matters, as it still wouldn't show anything that is not seeable now by looking at the formatting dialog boxes for the current object. I'd like those dialog boxes improved by just making them non-modal. I'd like also to see the underlying style formatting also in those boxes. I'd like lots of improvements. But meanwhile, I honestly don't find slows me down noticeably. The formatting at any point is usually obvious without opening these dialogs, and I can use the formatting broom to select formatting from one place and paste it over another without worrying about what the formatting is, if I don't want to. I would use WP if there was a native Linux version. But I am trying to may OOo appeal to the WP users out there and make it better for me as well. Yes. But if others have different ideas about what is better ... ? And I rather expect that many of your WP users wouldn't care at all for your idea. They want a reveal code mode that allows them to see and *edit* code tokens directly and nothing less, not a screen-filling dialog which would mostly show attributes not applicable to the current situation. Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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klaus schmirler wrote: Jonathon Blake wrote: Klaus wrote: If it had a change option for every character, numbering, paragraph and page style that is applied in a given place, possibly mentioning the Currently implemented in OOo. Separated from the options of defining new ones? And, more importantly, in one place, at one glance, without checking in five different panes, if you are talking about whatever the Stylist is called now? What I am going for is some redundancy (seeing what's already there) and a lesser chance to miss anything. I may be a stupid user, but I know I'm not alone, and I like to see my mistakes. If you want to see what is "already there" at any point, and the normal screen view doesn't provide sufficient information, right click, and the context menu provides you with the means to call up dialog boxes which allow you to directly view (and change) page properties, paragraph properties, and character properties applied to the page object, paragraph object, and text range object in effect at your current character position. If you want to see current style values, then look at the style definitions, yes in five different panes. But really now, you aren't going to be so inanely stupid as to look for margin settings in character styles or bulleting styles, are you? You are actually only going to be concerned with only of these at any one time. Do you really care about "what's already there"? Then learn how to use the tools in OOo Writer and most other popular word processing applications and publishing applications that do show you exactly "what's already there", rather than asking for a viewing mode that obscures "what's already there" by showing formatting code tokens that aren't there, suggesting for example, that a particular formatting attribute was applied pages back where the code is shown, when in fact the formatting is independently applied again and again in every paragraph. Improvements to the interface should better show what is already there, not fake what possibly might be there if OOo Writer handled text formatting in a very different fashion. Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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klaus schmirler wrote: Now suppose someone switches from OOo to WP and wants to erase such an essay title. They will find that the "quote characters" cannot be deleted. Before getting a new keyboard, they can call up the RC frame and see that there is a style left, and that that style's content are two quote signs. Problem solved (and knowledge gained). This is good example of why it is a bogus claim that use of styles and use of code tokens in a text stream are in opposition to one another. Supporting these sorts of styles would be an excellent enhancement for OOo Writer, one I would live to see. However, if this style were supported in OOo Writer (and MS Word), applications which do not contain formatting code tokens in the text stream, your difficulty could never arise. A style is an attribute of a text range. If you delete that text range, the style goes with it, in this case the quotation marks. You could not have a case of quotation marks standing alone that could not be deleted. A "reveal codes" really is necessary in a text processing system that uses code tokens within the text stream because you want to debug the kind of problems that this type of architecture produces. But those kind of problems can't exist in a system which doesn't use code tokens with the text stream. There can be no style code tokens left behind when code tokens are not used at all. The same may apply using OOo. Suppose the right hand side of your page appears to be unused. Did someone change the margins or is this a two column layout that just doesn't have enough text to overflow, or the text is protected? Instead of wrecking my brain for the different possibilities, I'd rather have one place where I can check what is the matter. OOo Writer defaults to showing page margins. And even if you have turned off View -> Text Boundaries, a foolish thing to do in my opinion, OOo Writer insists on showing the lines around columns and blocks of text that include columns, these blocks being called in OOo Writer (and MS Word) "sections". Not much brain wracking. You just look at the page and see the margins. Also, in OOo Writer, text itself cannot be protected, though "sections" can be protected (and cells can be protected) both "sections" and cells being surrounded by grey lines when not explicitly bordered. Is there protection involved? Just try typing in that area to see. As to being "one place", my memory of working with Word Perfect is vague, but when I did use it, it was often the case that the code invoking a particular format was sometimes pages before the current page, not to speak of problems with tokens that can be nested and problems with orphaned tokens. In OOo Writer. margins are absolutely controlled by the current page style and you need only look in Page formatting or Page style formatting for identical information. There is *one* place to look for current page properties, though more than one way of getting there (as there should be). Paragraph indentation is controlled by the current paragraph formatting. There is one place to look, without need to search for codes which are perhaps pages back. Columns are controlled by the current section, again not by codes possibly pages back. So there's only one place to look, within the formatting properties of the current section. However, for a naive user, finding where to look is, I admit, sometimes as difficult as finding an exact code within a reveal codes mode. For example, if you write click within a section, the context menu does not provide a "Section..." formatting option, comparable to the "Page...", "Paragraph..." and "Character..." formatting options. If the user doesn't know about sections, or knows about them only vaguely, the user is likely to be puzzled about what he or she is seeing and how to modify it. OOo Writer does lag behind MS Word in providing easy ways to discover current formatting properties. But enhancements ought to reveal the structure as it actually exists within OOo Writer, not attempt to emulate a reveal codes interface for an entirely different way of doing things, one which misrepresents what is actually happening with OOo Writer. Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Jonathon Blake wrote: Jallan wrote: (such as margin settings) through direct formatting, only by changing page styles. i) It is possible to change mrgins, using paragraph styles; ii) Margins can be reset in OOo, using direct formatting. Really? You can change indents with paragraph styles and in direct formatting, which largely amounts to the same thing in respect to output printed text ... but isn't quite the same thing. These indents are relative to the current page style margin settings. I suppose someone could set left and right page margins to 0 and use paragraph indents instead to set what what someone seeing the printed text would call the left and right margins, but seems to me a perverse way of using those properties. page style what page numbers it currently applied to. Page style can be configured to be displayed in the status line of some versions of OOo. [sorry, dont' remember which ones.] I believe that is what I indicated. I think that page styles have appeared in the status bar as long as I've been using OOo Writer, but can't be sure, since I've never really needed to look there. Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Robin Laing wrote: Jallan wrote: Robin Laing wrote: I quite believe that. But all that is left in OOo Writer is the results of that misinterpretation, not the codes, which you therefore need not worry about in fixing the problem. If there are no codes to be jumbled, no-one can jumble them. But one can override with direct formatting. No. There are no codes to override with direct formatting. There are no codes beyond what you see with View -> Nonprinting Characters. There is really only direct formatting, which can be changed, either directly by the user, or indirectly by the user laying down a style. Accordingly, the user has a choice: change formatting through a style (which is a bundle of direct formatting attributes) or change formatting by direct formatting without using a style. But at the lowest level, there is only formatting attributes applied to objects. A lot of the problems that reveal codes aids with are problems that can't occur in the first place if the system doesn't use formatting codes internally. Really? In my experience, I don't agree. What problems do you find with reveal codes? Tokens that aren't where you want them and causing formatting that you don't want, missing tokens, nested tokens of which one or both suddenly become effective and surprise you when you remove one or more of the outer matching tokens and so forth. The conscientious maintainer is constantly cleaning up buried tokens and twiddling with the order of tokens. All that mess is gone when the system doesn't use code tokens. But again, I am not an expert on creating and using styles on hodgepodge documents. You wrongly bring in styles in opposition to formatting tokens. Styles are in opposition to the user doing low-level direct formatting, whether in Word Perfect or OOo Writer, or HTML or any number of text processing systems and protocols. If you want a particular level of headings to be in a particular font, to have a particular font size, to be in a particular color, and to have a particular indentation, is it more complicated do it once and apply this *single* style again and again and again, or apply *each* of the attributes *separately* again, and again, and again? Which will have the greatest possibility of user error? Which will be more difficult to fix if an error has occurred? Using a style abstracts the complexity by putting it all in one place, in the style definition. And if the style is used but then a bunch of direct formatting is applied, then what a pain as in one document I just looked at. Exactly. It's a mess. Simple. Using an example that I have used before. I have a document that uses "Header 1" It set the justification, font, size and attributes. But on the next line which is empty, the justification is changed. And the next line which is still "Header 1" has different justification, font and font attributes. Does this make it any clearer? I did not create the document. No. But you now understand what is wrong, that it is not a misapplication of code tokens, but overwriting of a style by direct formatting by a user who does not understand styles, or doesn't care. Whether this was done in Word Perfect or HTML or whatever doesn't matter. Just go in and fix this mess, which you should be able to do more easily now that you understand what is happening. I just learned that I can set the styles window to display only the styles being used. This is a step in the right direction as it showed me the problems in the example above. Good. If you want to use OOo Writer effectively, then go through the Help files and manual and see what else you find. I suggest looking at "updating styles from selections" in the Help index as something that comes in handy. But RC's would show me when there is a change to the formatting or margins. That isn't easily done in OOo. Fortunately, in OOo Writer, you cannot apply page attributes (such as margin settings) through direct formatting, only by changing page styles. Anything page attribute changed through Format -> Page also changes the applied page style, forcing structured usage in respect to Page formatting. I agree that it would be nice to be able to see immediately for each page style what page numbers it currently applied to. That would be a good enhancement. But for practical use, this is very seldom a problem. Normally few page styles are used in a document, and they are used logically, and you can flip through the pages and watch the page style window on the status bar to see where a rarely used page style appears. You can currently use Find & Replace to search for formatting attributes and paragraph styles, but not for page styles and their related attributes or for character styles. This is a hole that should be plugged. This is the point. When
[users] Re: Reveal Codes
Robin Laing wrote: r. No one just has to look at the attributes that are changed. I look at the above Normal (Web) and I have 12 major options that can be changed within it. I see a problem on the page I have but I am not sure what option is the problem. Of course, if is is a font option that changed, now it isn't the style at all that changed the formatting, though it could have. Be reasonable. If you see the wrong color, it isn't the paragraph spacing. Normally you know almost exactly what is wrong. And, yes, as you've been told again and again, direct formatting overwrites basic style formatting. And to use this as an example. In this document, "Header 1" is being used. It is defined as Times New Roman, 14pt Bold for the font. Yet it is also on a second line that looks totally different. Same font and size but not Bold but underlined. I select the line and the Heading 1 style is what is highlited. This is a great example of how the formatting of the style does not represent what is on the screen. Now if I am correct, the second header would be closer to "Header 2". You've been told again and again that styles get overwritten by direct formatting by users who don't use styles. Remove the direct formatting from the header with Ctrl-Shift-Space and you should see the underlying paragraph style formatting. Then put it back with CTRL-Z. Whether you want to use the direct formatting or the style formatting, or some other formatting in your final document. Just make a choice and implement it. Not to confuse things but there are other formatting changes that occur on the blank line between the two headers that is still indicated at being "Header 1" This is in three lines of text on an imported document. Yes, all quite as one might expect. Really, what is the problem? Change what you import to the formatting you want. I don't know as I didn't create it. It is something that was imported or pasted from another source. It doesn't matter how undesired formatting got there. Just change it to what you want. We won't agree on the power of each. I agree that there are times styles are much better than RC's but there are times that RC is much better than styles. Again, there are no formatting code tags in OpenOffice.org, other than what you can see with View -> NonPrinting characters. Again, whether a text processing application supports styles has nothing whatsoever to do with whether it uses formatting code tokens internally. And an application that does not use formatting code tokens internally will not have the numerous problems that using formatting code tokens involves: no orphaned "begin this attribute" and orphaned "end this attribute" tokens, because there are no tokens. Formatting is applied directly, not by the user applying tokens that apply formatting, formatting the messes up when a begin attribute or end attribute token gets deleted, or through nesting of tokens. All that mess is gone. Using styles, where used with WordPerfect, MS Word, OOoWriter, Quark Express, Adobe InDesign, in HTML is a method of avoiding a lot of problems on any text processing system, not an alternative to reveal codes. The alternative to revealing codes is to not use code tokens at all, to get rid of that way of setting formatting and to set formatting directly. Stop mixing this up with using or not using styles. Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Robin Laing wrote: No. But there are five lists in the Stylist you can set to show the current applied styles. Why so desperate to see all character styles along with all page styles along with all bullet styles at the same time? Normally you don't work with them all at the same time, or more than one at the same time. And a particular point in the document may be using direct formatting in any case. What about imported documents? Am I supposed to know all the styles that are used by all the people that may make a document that I have to work with or take a piece of or add to? Yes. See what applied styles they use when you are working directly with merging such documents, or updating such documents. Otherwise, you don't care. For example, if you are working with a document using styles and you want to make a new heading, find what paragraph style is used for a heading at the same level in the structural hierarchy of headings in that document, and apply its style to your new heading. You don't have to know anything about its precise attributes if you don't want to. But that is only 4 pedals and will still be based on a car. Same with a tank or tracked vehicle. They are all different but are basically the same. As you state, you cannot be by with only one or two styles. A style can change so much that it would be impossible to know every one. As I said earlier and this is the biggest problem. I have to work with documents from others that I cannot restyle as I see fit all the time. I may not or won't know their style. Also the style/format may be created with OOo as it imports from some other source. If the imported document uses styles, you can know the details of whatever styles they use by looking at the properties of those styles. If you are attempting to mix documents that have, for example, very different attributes for their body text style, then you have to decide which set of style attributes to use, or apply other attributes that you use. A reasonable way to do this is load the two documents separately, and change the styles of paragraphs in one of them to match the styles in the other in respect to title hierarchy and so forth. Then start copying and pasting. You can also save style definitions to a file and then load the definitions into another document if you want. Another way is to set up a blank document with your planned styles as you wish, and paste from one document or the other as required to build your new document, applying styles as you go, when they are different then the styles that appear when you paste in the material from one of the other documents. I've done such things when merging multiple documents in MS Word which have been all created using direct formatting, not styles. Either first get the documents into as much the same format as seems reasonable, then start merging, or set up a format for the new document, and then starting merging. I would work the same thing if required to merge two Word Perfect documents to create a third Word Perfect document. Your main problem seems to be that you are trying to work in OpenOffice Writer without first learning how it works and what you can do with it, and were also working under grave misunderstanding as to how it works underneath. Of course documents in Writer didn't respond and update as you expected. Read the manual. A reread of a manual provides great enlightenment. On a first reading of a manual for a new product, one misses so much, and so much goes over one's head.A rereading after one has struggled with a product often proves amazingly enlightening. And another reading a few months later proves even more enlightening, as one is now familiar enough with the product to really grasp what the writer was attempting to convey, to understand the techniques outlined, and often to realize how clumsily one may still have be using the product. Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: Fw: California Pleading Form for iMac with OO
Dclark wrote: The line numbers are off by one space, and frankly I don't know how to fix that. Are you referring to difficulties with single spacing and double spacing both lining up with the numbers? For fixed and inflexible layout, try using a text grid, otherwise it will drive you crazy. You may need to first go to Tools -> Options.. -> Language Settings -> Languages and select "Enabled for Asian languages". When this is enabled, and you select Format -> Page or select a Page style to modify, you will see a tab called "Text Grid". Select it. Set "Grid" to "Grid lines only". Set Lines per page to the 56 single-spaced lines that you need plus whatever other lines you need. Set "Max. base text size" and "Max. Ruby text size" to any values that total 12 pt. A value of 11.9 pt for "Max. base text size" and .1 pt for "Max. Ruby text size" is perhaps the cleanest, as it effectively makes the Ruby spacing invisible which it might as well be as you will not be using Ruby annotation. "Print Grid" should not be checked for normal use. When setting up any paragraph styles for this template, make sure under the Alignment tab that "Snap to text grid (if active)" is checked. Now all you have to do in your paragraph settings in the Indents and Spacing tab is to set line spacing to either "Single" or "Double" and all text will line up exactly with the grid, either displaying on every grid line or every second grid line, depending on the line spacing selected. Your line numbers, of course, will be double-spaced. (You can switch off "Enabled for Asian languages" now if you wish. That won't effect a document already created with the text grid feature.) Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: OO 2.0.2 apps won't start on XP SP2 system
Paul Derbyshire wrote: Eh -- I'd still like to get OpenOffice working on my machine. Is anyone going to deign to tell me how to go about doing so? It's a matter of "deigning". OpenOffice.org not running on install is not a usual problem, so there is no pat answer or any idea as to what you should be looking for. I've installed OpenOffice.org numerous times on various Windows machines running Windows 98 and then Windows XP SP2 and have never encountered a problem like this. "Works for me" is a futile answer, especially from someone not running on the exact system you are running on. And it isn't any better to tell you that there must be something unusual in your setup without being able to provide a single clue towards what that might be, especially when you appear to be very knowledgeable about your system and claim that it is bog normal. This is an open newsgroup of people who happen to be interested in giving a hand to those having problems with OpenOffice.org and of people requesting help for particular problems, not an official, paid-for help hotline. Hopefully someone who may pick up on something in your posts may come along eventually who can help you. Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: [moderated] need info to uninstall
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: cannot seem to uninstall openoffice 2..02 from my system, cannot find in control panel but have tons of files in document section. Please send info to uninstall. Thanks, I am supposing that in fact you have uninstalled OpenOffice.org 2.0.2, and now find that it has left some folders behind. When OpenOffice 2.0 and above uninstalls, it leaves behind a number of folders containing configuration material, backups, templates and so forth, so that users who uninstall and then reinstall (whether the same version of a newer version) don't lose their settings and backups. Many other applications also do this. The general location of these folders on your particular system would have appeared in Tools -> Options... -> OpenOffice.org -> Paths when OpenOffice.org was installed. If there is nothing in these folders you wish to retain, then you can remove them directly through your operating system. As you appear not to be subscribed to this newsgroup, a copy of this posting is being sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . If you have further comments or questions, please post them only to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: reveal codes
Max G. Kluth wrote: The beauty with the codes was that you could see exactly what went on where and how. And it was especially beautious that one could "search and replace" the codes for a quick and dirty job. Try that with styles. I did, so I know. But in different programmes, of course. I have tried it with styles. I currently work with a text processing program used to drive mail merges on high speed printing. It uses formatting codes. And, I have used search and replace within it to replace codes on occasion. I have also used search & replace in MS Word and OOo Writer to find and replace styles. On can also search for combinations of attributes. Does searching and replacing styles not work for you in OOo Writer? Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: Reveal Codes
us reasons. While it could be enhanced with more Word Perfect examples, that would only clutter it up with things irrelevant to most MS Office users. Better various guides specific to particular products. Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: [upgrade]
wenbob20 wrote: I have OpenOffice 1.1.4. Does 1.1.4. Is 2.0.2 an upgrade. Also I downloaded 2.0.2. my question is do I have to remove 1.1.4 before I load 2.0.2. The version 2.0 series is a different program which by default will install in different folder, so you need not remove 1.1.4 at all if you do not wish to. Both versions may even be run simultaneously without interfering with one another ... for most uses. I suggest installing 2.0.2, and only after you have worked with the new version for a while, then uninstalling 1.1.4 if you want. As you appear not to be subscribed to this newsgroup, I am also sending a copy of this post to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Please send any responses or further questions only to users@openoffice.org . Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: reveal codes
Jonathon Blake wrote: Robin wrote: In most cases, I cannot think of any formatting before the document is completed as I have no idea what will be included until much later. Content and markup are unrelated, and all attempts to put the two together are doomed to failure. [Now I see why you are such a fan of reveal codes. That function is purely because people don't udnerstand that markup and contents are two totally discongruent things, and should have zero links between them. ] I think this is overstated and that you are missing Robin's point. I use styles, except for the quick and dirty on occasion, but I've dealt with the kind of messes Robin has described, and indeed often don't have a clue about how the ultimate document will be structured until I see everything at once, start moving paragraphs and sections around, merge the content of different sections which say the same thing, and so forth. What Robin indicates is usually offered as the correct way to do things in most cases ... don't worry overmuch about the final formatting until the document is otherwise completed and the structure has gradually emerged. Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: reveal codes
ul in special cases for showing every attribute applicable to the current cursor position or current selection when you did want that. The concrete example where cell table font direction, character direction, text direction and so forth may all be involved is one such case. Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: Reveal Codes
Robin Laing wrote: If you do allot of importing, cutting and general work with different formats of documents, the issue of strange effects are common. That stray token or formatting that was part of the original document is now inserted inside your nicely stylized document causing a problem. But where is that snipit of code? You are still lost in how WordPerfect does things. Since OOo Writer and MS Word don't use code tokens, there cannot be snipits of codes or stray tokens to cause problems. "But where is that snipit of code?" is a meaningless question, like asking where the horse is in an automobile. The WordPerfect complexity of menus and shortcut keys that produce formatting codes that in turn produce the actual formatting doesn't exist in OOo Writer or in MS Word. The values you insert through menus and shortcut keys in OOo Writer and in MS Word are applied *directly* to the various objects: page objects, paragraph objects, table objects, table cell objects, text range objects and so forth. Nothing can be "stray", though it can certainly not be what you want. Think simple. Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: Updated and modified versions of the Australian English language files
Kelvin Eldridge wrote: Hi, This email is for Australian users of OpenOffice.org. Some of you will remember me as the person who created the Australian English dictionary for OpenOffice.org. I decided a while ago to make special versions of the language files for myself and my clients. These versions have the words with American spelling removed. Over 1,800 words have been removed from the dictionary and initial work has been started on the Thesaurus. For example the word "organize" has been removed whilst the word "organise" has been kept. In the Thesaurus the common words such as "color" and "neighbor" plus many others have been removed. This approach will not suit everyone as it is simply a matter of personal choice. If others are interested in obtaining the updated Australian English language files please visit www.JustLocal.com.au, click on the OpenOffice.org graphic and then complete the form. Minimal spelling dictionaries of this kind are useful, and there probably should be more of them, for example while variant spellings of words are generally acceptable in a country, individual publishers, journals, newspapers and so forth have their own conventions on which spellings they themselves wish to standardize on. For example, it would be convenient to be able to switch to an OOo spelling dictionary that exactly corresponded to the recommendations of the particular organization for which one was writing or editing, making it much easier to find forms which don't comply with that organization's spelling standards. A useful dictionary would be one which recognized only the initial spellings in the concise Oxford dictionary, as this is a world English standard in academic publishing. Another dictionary might recognize only the first spelling that appears in a standard Meriem Webster dictionary, since such this is what a lot of publishers and academic journals in the US accept as their standard. Perhaps what would be useful is a third level of dictionary categorization, that is not only language and locale but also individual choice level. Accordingly, in an Australian document, the user could perhaps select Kelvin Eldridge's new dictionary for text they are writing themselves, if they wish, but apply the standard Australian spelling dictionary with its variant spellings to quotations from other Australian sources. Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: Reveal Codes
Archbishop John Missing wrote: Robin Laing wrote: Ah, more time, more time. I need more time. :) I never have enough time. It is quicker to grab the file and find a unused Win computer to make the necessary changes. If the solution is to use a different operating system and product, then why have Linux and OpenOffice at all? My not? It doesn't hurt. Would you forbid AbiWord because OOo Writer is mostly better at the moment? One has different software tools for the same reason one has more than one size of hammer. And occasionally a shoe is the best and quickest tool to use to bang in a nail. I generally use Google for web searches because like most I find it gives much better results than any of the others ... but occasionally do use another search engine and sometimes find things that Google failed to reveal. I don't want the other search engines not to exist or Google not to exist because I occasionally use another search engine. Use what works. If something doesn't work in one application, use another. That was an easy question. Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: reveal codes
Archbishop John Missing wrote: Before this discussion moves on to another list, I think I should point out who a user is: the only reason for the product to be produced and the only one who can judge the quality of the product. If the product is not meeting the users needs, then it is useless to spend any time or money on it. If the only recommendation to solve a user's problems is to get a different product, then is there any need for the product in the beginning. If someone really needs (or believes they need) a feature found in product B, and which is not currently found in product A (even though product A might be generally superior to product B), then it is reasonable to recommend product B as a possible solution. All users and potential users of a product do not have the same needs (or expectations or wants). I have spent time and money on products that have not met *all* my needs, and don't think the time and money wasted in most cases. No product does everything equally well. Which product meets *all* your needs or desires? It is reasonable and normal to spend time and money on products that don't meet all your "needs" or supposed "needs". It is impossible not to do so. If, as many here assert, OpenOffice is superior to all these other programs, why does it not meet all the needs that the other programs did, even if it has to use a different means to achieve it. Anyone who might state that OOo Writer is in all ways superior to all other word processing programs or text processing programs would be wrong. And I doubt that OOo Writer or any word processing application or text processing applications will ever be inarguably superior to all other applications of that kind for the long term. Neither the demand for "reveal codes" not the insistence that is is unnecessary addresses the issue that there is a real need for the *user who is, after all the only reason for the product.* There is no one "user". Some users care desperately about a good English grammar checker (perhaps because their English is not particularly good.) Others want nothing to do with grammar checkers. Some, like myself, want better typographical abilities in Writer. Others don't care about such things or even notice them. Not all products can or should cater to every "need". For example, if you want publishing application, you could use OOo Writer. But Adobe InDesign is far better, unless you are short of funds and "need" a very inexpensive system, if not as capable as the more expensive one. Adobe InDesign provides for the "needs" of some users and OOo Writer for the "needs" of others. As to "real" need, a user who claims he or she needs to see the formatting codes in the text stream of a word processor that doesn't have any text stream formatting codes is making a false assumption. That user doesn't know how OOo Writer works but assumes there *must* be formatting codes used internally. If there were such codes, I would also very much want to see them easily and be able to manipulate them directly. But that entire level is absent in OOo Writer and most modern word processors and publishing publishing programs. Instead you set formatting directly onto ranges or text, paragraphs and so forth without going through an intermediary step of setting codes to do it for you. Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: reveal codes
memory, including a map of the text ranges with quick ways to reveal the actual formatting differences between such ranges and providing information as to which attributes depend on the style applied to the paragraph, which attributes derive from a named character style, and which attributes derive from direct formatting. There would be value in a mode that portrays underlying aspects of text display not visible in the normal mode, but they must be the underlying aspects that matter in OOo Writer. Should this discussion continue. Perhaps not. Yet, this forum is supposedly to aid users with problems, not discuss operating systems. But problems that arise with OpenOffice.org (and other software) often partly derive because users misunderstand what is going on ... for example the common misunderstanding that because OOo icons appear on .doc files that the files themselves have been sometimes converted, the confusion that often arises about language attributes, the common expectation the a change in Page format should be global. A difficulty many WordPerfect users have with other word processors is they approach them with the wrong model in mind. Their very experience is in some ways more likely to hinder than help compared to a new user of OOo Writer of MS Word, because so much of what they think they know is absolutely wrong. Of course, they then blame the stupid word processor. Whereas using dialog boxes to set formatting is in WordPerfect a high-level function, in that it sets underlying codes, OOo Writer this is most a low-level function the sets values directly in memory. WordPerfect users think they are being kept at a high level and away from the the low level because they do not have a reveal codes mode, when in fact OOo Writer lets users access the system at a lower level than WordPerfect. Perhaps there should be some help documentation specifically pointed towards WordPerfect users, pointing out how exactly how different Writer is underneath, that it doesn't have a reveal codes mode because it doesn't use codes, but that viewing and changing values through attribute dialog boxes is a low-level function, at the same level that manipulating code tokens is in WordPerfect, indeed below that level. Such a document would have to be written by someone versed in both WordPerfect and OOo Writer. It would be helpful to be able direct WordPerfect users to such a document which would have examples of how debugging at a low level is done on a system where you aren't kept away from direct formatting by a formatting codes level. Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: reveal codes
xt to another, the display system does not look at the codes at all, but instead at the various properties of the text which have been internally generated by those code. This is presumably what WordPerfect is doing. But then ... if the display system doesn't need the codes, why not get rid of them altogether? Instead of inserting code tokens that change properties in a range of text, why not directly change properties in a range of text without worrying about codes? Let the user change the properties directly and throw out the codes altogether internally. This is much simpler. Instead of two levels of formatting representation, a code tag level and an attribute level, there is now only one level to worry about, both for the system and for the user, no orphaned italic-off codes muddling up the text, no wading through masses of codes to find out what the exact line spacing is. Just go the paragraph properties at any point and see what the line spacing is. And if you want to change this line spacing, select a range of text and change directly those paragraphs without unnecessary codes being generated at the beginning and end of the range of paragraphs, codes which the system really doesn't need in any case. But none of this has anything to do with whether a particular user is setting text attributes through styles or direct formatting. It has to do with how text can be most efficiently processed within word processor memory. Of course, when you save the text to a file, then formatting codes are necessary, at least if you want to create a source file that is reasonably easy to understand by humans. Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: reveal codes
g OOo Writer. That those most expert in the workings of OOo Writer (and MS Word) haven't produced a Reveal Codes mode should tell you something. That desktop publishing programs, so far as I know, don't have a reveal codes mode should also tell you something. Programmers don't put a reveal code mode in because the products mostly don't use code tokens. Remember WP is still in the market and those serious regarding the flexibility of the reveal codes (and now be able to print the text with all the formatting codes as well), may well opt to pay for a WP 12 package - even if it is expensive. I may be one of them. Then buy it, if it suits you. If a small propeller fixed wing aircraft suits some people and a helicopter suits others ... that's fine. But people using a fixed wing aircraft shouldn't try to tell the helicopter people that they must add wings to their aircraft because the conceptual model of a fixed wing aircraft is easier for them and they want to see the wings. Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: Reveal Codes
nd MS Word) has objects with properties. I guess I like the idea of just looking at my text an knowing what is happening and where it changes. In a test I ran on Friday, I somehow changed the format of a piece of text and I couldn't get it to change back. No matter what I did, it wouldn't change back. Even trying to over type it was no good. I also like the idea of actually seeing what is happening at a lower level. Which is why I and others in this discussion would like a map like Navigator or a structure browser or something of that kind as a debugging tool to allow a clearer picture of what occurs when direct formatting is applied. If you are using character styles, you can see when a character style changes through the Stylist, when the active character styles changes. But direct formatting on top of this text confuses things. It would be nice to have a paragraph map indicating the actual text ranges and the differences between adjoining ranges as well as any differences between the attributes of the ranges and the attributes of the characters styles applied at a lower level. Click on a paragraph, for example, and get a table showing differences of properties between the basic paragraph style and the paragraph as actually formatted. Click on a text range, and get a table showing all differences between the underling paragraph character style, the second level applied character styles, and any direct formatting. One reason to use styles in OOo Writer, rather than direct formatting, is that currently debugging is much easier. You only have to deal with style attributes applied to text and you can easily see what paragraph style and what formatting style is applied at the current cursor position and see by examining those styles what attributes are set for the text you are interested in. The Reveal Codes macro is of sometimes of help here. But apparently it didn't help you with whatever your problem you had, whether the same you mentioned below, or a different one. With the debugging tools, it would be nice to know how a cell in a table converts all the text to vertical on an imported document and how to get that format to be changed. None of the settings I could find in any of the menu would change the contents to normal. Nothing at all. It was as if the cell was only allowing text to be one character wide. With RC, I could have deleted the offending codes directly and cleared up the problem. If you mean that the text was vertically stacked like t h i s , I haven't a clue. I would like to be able to do this in Writer. It can be done in Calc. But the only way I can think to do this in OOo Writer would be to follow each character with a line break or paragraph break. I presume you checked for that. If the characters were also rotated, that would be normal enough, though not being unable to change this. I see what you mean about immediately jumping to Reveal Codes if such a thing happened in Word Perfect, where even if you did not understand what was going on, you could at least remove code tokens that might be causing the problem and just see what happens. But since in OpenOffice.org there are almost no control code tokens, this can't be done. The internal structuring is layered, with effects such as rotation and text direction applied to text ranges as attributes rather than being turned on and off and on by tokens in a text stream. What you can do, and what I would do in such a situation, is to use Sift-CTRL-Space (Format -> Default Formatting) to remove any direct formatting. If that didn't fix it, then it should have to be a setting in Format -> Paragraph or in the Table -> Table Properties If that fails, then we may be dealing with an undocumented attribute. I encountered things like that years ago when I used to convert WordPerfect files to MS Word and on occasion the converted document would act very strangely, with attributes fixed that should be changeable, or odd losses of text or duplications of text, as though the conversion routine had created incorrect values in some properties. What you might have tried (and perhaps you did) is copying and pasting the table elsewhere in the document and trying different options of paste special. That might have lost the impossible formatting. Also, you can paste a section of a document directly into an OOo HTML document, and then look at it in HTML source mode to see what HTML coding OOo Writer then produces from its internal structure. But remember that this coding does not reflect how things are actually being managed internally. Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: How to Use
John wrote: I downloaded this software from the web site Fanfiction.net. There are no directions on how to use this software. How does it work? And is this the right software to use for the Fanfiction web-site? The Fanfiction web-site at http://support.fanfiction.net/index.php?_m=knowledgebase&_a=viewarticle&kbarticleid=3&nav=0 gives OpenOffice.org's older text formats among those which they accept for submissions. I presume they would also accept the .odt files that the newest version produces by default. (You might suggest they should update these specifications accordingly). But you can still produce .sxw files from the most recent versions of OpenOffice.org Writer. It seems they are encouraging downloads of OpenOffice.org from their site simply because they believe its a good thing ... which it is. OpenOffice.org is one of the products which can produce files acceptable to the site, but not the only one. As to how it works, see http://documentation.openoffice.org/ for a plethora of manuals and other documentation. Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: An example of a fake Microsoft "Get the Facts"?
Gene Heskett wrote: I can certainly appreciate your feelings as a maintainer Jonathon, however it would be very nice to have an email agent that could grab everything needed to reproduce the page or pages you are working on into a package list then applied as attachments to the email. Maybe that function is available and I just don't know how to use it? Try File -> Send -> Document as E-mail... and also File -> Send -> Document as PDF Attachment... You can also mail merge directly through E-mail if you set up Tools -> Options... -> OpenOffice.org Writer -> Mail Merge E-mail. See "Mail merge E-mail" in the Help index. Something that would effectively tarball it all up for use as an attachment in kmail/whatever would certainly be nice. Not a requirement, but one of the bells & whistles. Yes, the E-mail features can be (and probably will be) further enhanced, for example to allow multiple open documents to be included in a package. But what value would there be in giving OpenOffice.org its own E-mail module. It indeed made more sense to leave the free E-mail client business to others. Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: "export as Word Doc" - button?
Manfred Bartz wrote: Wouldn't it be nice to have an "export as Word Doc" - button? For interoperability with die-hard MS-office users I often need to export" in MS-Word format. I know how to "save-as" in Word format, but then I need to do another save-as to go back to ODT. Has anybody written a macro or found another way of quickly producing a Word doc without changing the master document from ODT? Ideally, one could just select an "export as Word Doc"-button from Tools-->Customize-->Toolbars and put it on the main toolbar. Same with an "export as HTML"-button. Maybe I should file an enhancement request? Which version of Word? Better would be a simple Export function that remembered the style of your last export. That is, if you last exported to WordPerfect, it defaults to WordPerfect (but lets you change the parameters as does "Save As"). But it wouldn't change the default type of the document for normal Saves. Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: how to use special characters
Johnny Andersson wrote: This can be done a bit easier with a program called AllChars. It's free and it seems like the programmer is going to make it Open Source to. http://allchars.zwolnet.com/ You can not only type special characters very easily, you can also create macros responding to a user defined character, in my case "<". So if I enter "enter it quick enough (max 800 ms between each character, but that can be defined by the user too). Things like \t (Tabulator) and \n (New line) also works. I have a macro typing my whole address for me. Well, I guess all this info can be found at http://allchars.zwolnet.com/ I've used this wonderful free program for Windows over 10 years now. The only real problem is that it is limited to working with your current Windows 8-bit character set. This means that you cannot use it for any Unicode characters not included in that set. It also means that for characters will not be output with the proper Unicode values and may display improperly if translated to non-Windows operating systems. However OpenOffice.org does the translations properly on input. Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: how to use special characters
G. Roderick Singleton wrote: On Sat, 2006-03-18 at 11:35 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am using Version 2.0.2 of OpenOffice.org My problem is: Are there any shortcuts to use while typing in "Write"? I often type in Spanish, and when I use Microsoft Word, I can just hit some combinations of CTRL and ALT to get certain characters. Are there shortcuts like that- instead of going through the whole process of INSERT, SPECIAL CHARACTERS, and selecting one? I notice that there are codes in the lower right hand corner of the character box... do they mean anything? Thank you. Michelle Cbeck out the HOW-TO section at http://documentation.openoffice.org/ for the guide you need, It outlines a number of ways to get what you want I suggest as the best solution, installing a Spanish keyboard driver for your system and then switching back and forth between it and your English keyboard driver. And advantage this solution is that you can use the same keystrokes to obtain the same characters in any application. Also the keystrokes will be the same as supplied by the same driver on other computers running your OS and by keyboard drivers for the same language on other OS's. If you are using Windows, which your mention of Microsoft Word suggests, you can install extra keyboard drivers from the Windows desktop through Start -> Control Panels -> Regional and Language Options -> Languages -> Details -> Add... to add language and keyboard support for numerous languages. Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: too hard to report bug
Gene Heskett wrote: On Saturday 18 March 2006 11:34, Rod Engelsman wrote: Jallan wrote: And, of course, any interface can be improved, but probably won't be without constructive criticism. Jallan You're on! Here's my constructive criticism for IZ: 1. I used to know how to get to it, but since the site has been redesigned it takes me far too long to find it. The layout and navigation of the site is really poor. I agree totally about the site in general. However, as to finding IZ, reporting a bug appears as an item in a very short list on the sitemap, which is accessible from the bottom of most screens and from the "How Do I List?" in the upper left of most main screens. It also appears when pressing the enormous "new user & general info" button which is hardly to be missed. I doubt that finding it is really an issue. But it would help to add "Report a bug" to the "How do I?" list that appears on other screens in the upper left-hand corner. Suggestion: Have a link to IZ from the Home page. Maybe under a section entitled "Get Involved". Test the design with "people from the street". That's what professional web site designers do. Some do testing, when they have time and money to do so. This is probably not possible here ... that money is better spent on actual development. 2. The issue-filing page is a confusing and intimidating mess. It was designed for insiders. Altogether too many fields and drop-boxes. Suggestion: Design a page for "regular users" to report bugs. This page should have maybe a half-dozen fields and boxes to consider, no more. A QA member will have to go in and "flesh out" the bug report, but that happens anyway with the current system. I don't see this. A user clicks on "Report a Bug" and gets this screen: http://qa.openoffice.org/issue_handling/pre_submission.html This contains a simple search box, as well as a link to a complex, advanced search screen. Either can be used in a search. A user intimidated by the advanced screen, which I far prefer personally, need not use it. Since the user most go to another screen to use it and it is called "advanced", there is no pressure to use it. There are some instructions following in point form, each point a link to another page with fuller instructions ... a well designed way of providing both basic rules for reporting concisely but also providing further details if anything is not clear. The user then clicks on "Go on - submit the issue" The page that comes contains only one entry box on the screen, allowing the user to search again if they have not already done so. THe complex advanced search is not even an option here. The rest of the screen is just various start points. Now if an inexperienced user does click on either "• ... by code module (for hackers to submit patches)" or "• ... the classical way (for the fearless)", the the inexperienced user is likely to confused. But why would any inexperienced user do this, except out of pure curiosity? They would probably just go back to the previous screen. The eleven fields on the following page are perhaps a few too many ... especially as some are for use only for reporters actually working on the project. I suppose a note on the page could state prominently something like: "Please leave blank any fields you are not sure of." In fact only 8 fields need be filled in. Four of them are trivial choices while 2 of them are the submission summary and the submission itself. I do not see what the supposed difficulty is. And while this newsgroup gets numerous requests about how to download, and what JRE is, and so forth, it gets almost none about how to navigate the bug reporting procedure. 3. Either pay attention to votes or just forget about it. It's hard for me to consider the current system as anything more than a farce. I presume developers do pay "attention" to votes, which is not the same thing as letting votes direct the project. All things being equal, I would hope items with higher votes would be considered before items with a lower vote. But on projects like this, all things are seldom equal. Fixing A may depend on fixing B which depends on fixing C. Do you spend three weeks on a quick fix of problem H, knowing that in a year from now the plan is to rewrite the entire module in any case, in which case you will be fixing H twice, once to work with the module as currently written and again when you create the replacement module. My own experience is that I've had been least productive on projects where the end-users or coordinators were micro-managing how and in what order I did things, continually changing priorities for this and that, or changing specifications as I worked. Just let me finish A, and then I will get t
[users] Re: too hard to report bug
Jim Wagner wrote: Matt Needles wrote: Jallan wrote: It's hard to avoid information on reporting a bug. Jallan The problem is, as is evidenced by the OP's language and tone, that he is either a PROUD software engineer, or LAZY, or BOTH. If someone WANTS to see bugs fixed, he'll take the troubles to get the bug reported in adequate terms so it can be fixed. I've tried both Mozilla's Bugzilla and our IssueZilla sites, and find ours easier, and the responses more friendly and helpful. I'm interested in seeing OOo get better, so I try to report everything I can. I gave up on trying to report bugs over a year ago, after I spent several hours of time when I should have been writing trying to work out what keywords to use to search for reports of the same bug. Why and how could you spend several hours of time "trying to work out what keywords to use"? Use some that make sense. If nothing comes up that matches your problem, do it again with some other keywords. If after five or six attempts nothing still comes up, then report the problem. What were you spending these hours doing? And this is not intended as an insult. This is a simple question. What was the problem for you with the interface? However, making generalized insults at the people who can't figure out the Help menus, or can't work out the Issuezilla process is not helpful to anyone. Making generalized insults against the interface and undetailed comments about spending hours working with it are not helpful, when others don't have this difficulty. It's like people who complain that using styles are too hard, or that programming in a structure fashion with using goto is too hard, or that programming a VCR recorder is too hard. Some things are difficult for some people and not others, and different things may be easy for the same people and not others. Your post reminds me of the many answers I've seen to problems brought up, "It works for me." "It works for me" or "I can't duplicate the problem" is a reasonable response and often heartening response, part of the debugging process. For example, in any workplace environment when one user has a problem, one of the first things to do is to attempt to duplicate it on another machine, to see for example, whether email is down for everyone, or just that one user. Now, that's helpful. The person who wrote in the problem can't get it to work for them, and the reasons may be many, and in many cases are mere misunderstandings of what they're supposed to do. "It works for me" basically says "You're a lamer because you can't make it work." No, it basically says "It works for me" and nothing more than that. I've asked about problems on boards, and the information that other people can get it to work, when that is the initial answer, is valuable. I know then that it's not a general bug, that if others have got it to work, then it's worth my spending more time on the problem. "It works for me, have you tried X," would be a little better. Of course, and that's what often does appear as a response, if the responder has any ideas about what might work. Sometimes they don't. In this case, I"m being told I'm lazy because I can't work out the instructions on a page. Thanks, fellow. Glad to see such useful statements. You were not told that *you* were lazy. But someone who calls himself a software engineer, not you, ought be able to figure out an interface that asks one to answer the same kinds of questions that any software engineer would themselves ask a user when debugging a problem. Provide constructive criticism. Don't whine about something being too hard. But remember also, that all of us do sometimes get stuck on things, sometimes very trivial trivial. All of use are "lamers" on occasion, and spend hours on things which, when we master them, realize that what had been a problem really shouldn't have been a problem for us. And, of course, any interface can be improved, but probably won't be without constructive criticism. Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: Reveal Codes
Robin Laing wrote: Jallan wrote: Robin Laing wrote: If want to change the "Default" style, just select modify in the Stylelist for the "Default" character style, and then change the "Default" style and all the paragraphs in the "Default" style will change, except ... and this is important, when you have applied direct formatting on top of the underlying styles. What else. You don't want special effects like bolding and italics or font changes *within* a paragraph to vanish because you have changed the underlying font. To put it in Word Perfect terms, when you change a paragraph style the paragraph display as though you inserted a bunch new codes at the beginning of each paragraph in place of the old ones, but any following control codes within that paragraph are left alone. Accordingly what you see may be far more determined by these following codes. I still have to find the font and spacing issue that was changed in a style but after setting the default style, the font issue is still present. But what I did confirm that one of may major issues with importing documents has been related to a style that the default style doesn't fix. Possibly this is overlying direct formatting or an overlying character style. If you set the Stylelist to show character styles, then the character style at the current cursor position will be highlighted in the list. You can then edit that style. If the style doesn't change in the list when visually you see a change within a paragraph, such as a font change or a change from non-bold to bold, then direct formatting has been applied. To see the underlying paragraph formatting in a paragraph just do CTRL-SHIFT-SPACE to remove all but the basic paragraph style formatting in that paragraph. After you've seen what this shows, you can press CTRL-Z to put the character style formatting and direct formatting back again. Jallan Your long description is a good example to me on why Reveal codes is better. Look here or if that isn't it, look there. I guess this is why I feel reveal codes is nicer. A single keystroke and all my codes are displayed. No opening this tool box or changing this setting and opening that dialog. This thread has indicated that better OOo would be improved with better debugging tools. There is no argument there. But reveal codes isn't particularly suitable, for either MS Word or OOo Writer, when both use practically no internal code tokens. Both these word processors work hierarchically rather than by manipulation of a single-level text stream. Again, there are no codes to reveal. Attempting to understand OOo Writer (or MS Word) in that way is something like attempting to understand the behavior of cat from what you know about dogs. I've used WordPerfect, years ago, and have used and still use, directly, data formats that page stream based. My work involves working directly with Postscript files and I have coded directly in both Postscript and PCL. So I'm quite familiar with how to use and debug text stream formats and their difficulties, as well as the very different abilities and difficulties you get with hierarchical text structures. And like 99% of those with experience in both, for most purpose I'll go with the hierarchical structure, because it *is* easier. I recall a secretary some years back who insisted on hard coding her headers and footers in the text rather than using MS Word's facility, and manually moving them the same time, because (so she believed, probably without trying it) using Word's own header and footer facility was too complicated and she had no time to learn it. I will learn styles when I can but it took me minutes to learn how to use reveal codes. Styles are not that easy. Really. I first learned about styles on text processing programs years ago in a Desktop publishing program on the Amiga. It took me minutes to learn. Just set up text attributes in a style in *exactly* the same way I would set them up in word processor I was familiar with, and then apply the style by selecting and clicking. There was really nothing to learn. I also first learned TeX on the Amiga. I cannot imagine what you find difficult in this. There must be some lack of understanding or misconception or misunderstanding that is confusing you. BTW, thanks for the description on how the coding works in OOo. I wish there was something to make it easier to find these errors as it is my major headache as I have to import and convert many documents to ODF and they have to look the same as the MS or WP version's of the document. Ouch! "Exactly the same" is sometimes an impossibility. And if the documents you are converting are as messy and unstructured in the way they are coded as many that I deal with ... you do end up ignoring the right way to do things
[users] Re: Opening .mer file types
CarlP wrote: Immanuel CRC Office wrote: CarlP wrote: G. Roderick Singleton wrote: On Tue, 2006-03-14 at 12:59 -0500, CarlP wrote: .mer is a file type that is a special csv file type export option by Filemaker Pro (6 and earlier) that contains field names (a straight csv export by FMP for some reason doesn't include field names). This file type is readily used by M$Word and other M$ software as a data source for mail merges. Some time ago I asked about how to use .mer files directly as an OO data source but thus far haven't found a way to do so without jumping through a number of hoops. If I can't use it directly for mail merges, then I'd at least like to force OO to use Calc to open this file type. Instead, it opens with Writer, and I can't find a setting to make it open in Calc. BTW, if I simply change the extension to csv, it opens fine in Calc. But I don't want to have to do this every time I create a new data source and mail merge. Sorry, I do not understand. Are you saying that selecting Text CSV in the file type drop down for open is failing or that you haven't tried it? I ask because it works for me. Sorry for the confusion. CSV opens fine for me. What I want to do is force OO to use Calc when it opens a file of type .mer instead of Writer (this is the special csv file type I mentioned above). Hope this helps, Carl Carl: When you are in Calc, do File->Open. Select your .mer file. Then in the Type box, select Text CSV. This will open it properly. Crystle BTW, in case you are wondering, I'm on WinXP Home and OO 2.0.2 Crystle, this helps but I still can't use this to simply double click (or right click and choose Open With) and open with Calc. OK, a little more to this mystery. I next tried mapping the .mer file type as an Open Document Spreadsheet (.ods), thinking that would make it open with Calc, and even that didn't work. To do this I created a new file type (mer) and clicked the Advanced options to associate it with the Open Document Spreadsheet file type. This should have made Windows treat it like an OO spreadsheet file (.ods). Instead, I get an icon of an OD Spreadsheet, as I'd expect, but it still opens in Writer. Go figure. I thought I could take care of it through Windows, but somehow OO is overriding that association and opening with Writer. Could this be a bug? Or is it really a feature request? Any other ideas for how to do this? Since you are using Windows, why not just rename *as* you open? Select the .mer file in the OpenOffice file dialog, press F2, and either replace .mer with .csv or with .mer.csv. The drawback is you can't open by directly clicking on the icon. Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: Reveal Codes
is on a document and it didn't work as the formatting didn't change to the default format even though the status bar show Default. I did not describe how to change the "Default" paragraph format. How would the creation of a new style to change the "Default" paragraph style or any other style? Select some paragraphs and then double-click on your new style in the Stylelist to apply your new style to those paragraphs. You should then not see the status bar show the name of your new paragraph style when the cursor is within one of the paragraphs to which you have applied it. If want to change the "Default" style, just select modify in the Stylelist for the "Default" character style, and then change the "Default" style and all the paragraphs in the "Default" style will change, except ... and this is important, when you have applied direct formatting on top of the underlying styles. What else. You don't want special effects like bolding and italics or font changes *within* a paragraph to vanish because you have changed the underlying font. To put it in Word Perfect terms, when you change a paragraph style the paragraph display as though you inserted a bunch new codes at the beginning of each paragraph in place of the old ones, but any following control codes within that paragraph are left alone. Accordingly what you see may be far more determined by these following codes. I still have to find the font and spacing issue that was changed in a style but after setting the default style, the font issue is still present. But what I did confirm that one of may major issues with importing documents has been related to a style that the default style doesn't fix. Possibly this is overlying direct formatting or an overlying character style. If you set the Stylelist to show character styles, then the character style at the current cursor position will be highlighted in the list. You can then edit that style. If the style doesn't change in the list when visually you see a change within a paragraph, such as a font change or a change from non-bold to bold, then direct formatting has been applied. To see the underlying paragraph formatting in a paragraph just do CTRL-SHIFT-SPACE to remove all but the basic paragraph style formatting in that paragraph. After you've seen what this shows, you can press CTRL-Z to put the character style formatting and direct formatting back again. Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: too hard to report bug
Kent Eschenberg wrote: But there is a problem. The OO web site makes it next to impossible to discover how to report a bug. Its not under the obvious place, Support. I now know its under Projects but imagine you are a new user looking for the first time -- would you think to look under "Accepted Projects"? Would you think to look under "Quality Assurance"? The fix: a few words and link on the main page. No, I would not look in the unobvious places mentioned. But I don't have to because I would look in the obvious places. As a new user I would probably look first in the home page. Not seeing it there, I would click on the large box with the words "new user & general info". I immediately see in the new screen in the upper left a list titled "General links" of which the 3rd of 6 items is "Report a bug". Further down the page I find: To *Report a bug* you need to be logged in. Click the My pages tab and login to display the _File issue_ link in the left navigation menu. _File issue_ in this sentence, is a link to a page on how to report a bug. Clicking on "Site Map" at the bottom of the Home Page, another obvious place to click for more information, also brings up yet another page with the "General links" list in the upper left-hand corner and a also a link _Report a Bug_ in the main listing on the page. It's hard to avoid information on reporting a bug. Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: Reveal Codes
Jonathon Coombes wrote: On 16/03/2006, at 9:34 AM, Ian Laurenson wrote: I am the "devil incarnate" who wrote the "RevealCodes" macro as a proof of concept - it is certainly not a fully functional macro. However, it could be if people actually showed sufficient interest to get involved. SNIP! Alternatives to reveal codes Status quo: see effective format of current selection by opening format paragraph and format font dialogs. Check against format of paragraph style and character styles. Low level XML editor: this is my preferred choice. To me it would be great to be able to go View > XML and see the current document in a low level XML editor. I thought about a possible compromise that might work quite well, so I want to present it and see what people think about it. It seems that the reveal codes people want to see the "formats" applied, and the stylists want to remain true to style methodologies. How about we have a hierarchical representation of the applied styles. That is, for the current page at least, show the page style, then each of the applied paragraph styles, within each shows the character styles etc. Here is a quick example: Current Page -> Default Page -> Heading 1 -> Text Body -> Text Body -> Emphasis -> Italics -> Preformatted Text -> Image Frame -> Text Body -> Footer This shows that our page is using the default page style, has a heading, 3 paragraphs with an image, and a footer. Clicking on any one of these will highlight the appropriate area/object within the page. This may (or may not) be expanded to include hard formatting I am guessing. This fits in somewhat with what already exists in the "Applied Styles" option in the Styles and Formatting window. Maybe this could be expanded to fit, or maybe another option in the navigator. What do people think? Sure. Something like the Navigator for a page sounds like a good idea. I've certainly nothing against showing direct formatting either, or anything that aids in debugging structural or display problems. This sounds like an excellent approach. What I don't like particularly is the idea of a faux-codes mode that misrepresents the underlying structure of how OOo Writer works internally. On the other hand, the macro that does emulate the WordPerfect codes is an admirably amazing and cool toy, the kind of thing I too often waste my own time on ... just for the fun it. And as Ian Laurensen indicates, allowing users to easily see what is going on beneath the surface, for users who want this, regardless of how it is done, is in itself a good idea. Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: Reveal Codes
Jonathon Blake wrote: Robin wrote: Reveal codes are better for the one time only people Reveal codes are for the grossly incompetent person who refuses to learn to use their tools properly. I think it is more often the case that people honestly have difficulty in understanding and believing that there are no codes, that instead of a text stream with formatting codes as in NROFF, WordStar, Word Perfect, HTML, or PCL, that instead MS Word and OOo Writer internally have paragraph objects with attributes and links, that there really are no formatting codes involved internally. Of course, with the wrong model in mind, they then have difficulty in understanding what might be at fault when things go wrong, understandably, considering the error in their understanding, wishing that they had a reveal codes mode to allow them to see what is really happening underneath. Now it might be possible to have a "reveal source code mode" where OOo Write automatically saves when it is invoked, then brings up windows showing the associated source code for whatever section of the document one is looking at. Make a change in the document, the source code windows are greyed as no longer in synch. When you select them again, the document is resaved and again the source code windows are updated. (You would also be able to edit the source code in these windows and save the module ... very much at your own risk.) But, however nice that would be, there are updates and changes far more urgently needed by more users of OpenOffice.org then a full debugger of this kind. (But perhaps someone will start a separate project: an OpenDocument editor comparable to many HTML editors.) Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: Reveal Codes
Rod Engelsman wrote: Jallan wrote: a bunch of stuff I heartily agree with. I think though that a case can be made for some better way to reveal the Style that is applied to portions of text. Perhaps an indicator that would appear in the margins to indicate the paragraph styles in a more "birds-eye-view" fashion. I'm not sure how to go about "revealing" character styles and direct formatting. I don't have a very well-developed concept here, but it might be worth talking about for an RFE. Well paragraph styles are now revealed (for the current paragraph or selected paragraphs when they have the same style) in the list box to the left of the format toolbar. Character styles are reasonably easy to find. If you have the character list in the Stylelist visible, the current character style will be highlighted and the highlighting jumps around as the character style changes. As to direct formatting, beyond change of font, bolding, italics, and underlining, that is a little more of a problem. Of course, mostly you can see direct formatting, that is, if you can see that some characters are superscript or see that some characters are in blue lettering, you usually don't need anything else to tell you that the characters are superscript or the characters are in blue lettering. If the character style in the Stylelist does not change when you move the cursor into or out of those characters, then they are applied by direct formatting. Still, a list containing any formatting at the current cursor position (or applied throughout a selected area or selected areas) would not be unwelcome. Language attributes in particular is something I'd like to be more visible. Rather than revealed codes, in which what you want is likely to get lost in mass of codes, it might be nice to have something like the Navigator where you could select a particular type of direct formatting, and then jump to all cases where it begins to be applied and where it ceases to be applied. You can do some of this now with the Find & Search utility. Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: Reveal Codes
Robin Laing wrote: You make a case for styles that I can agree with if you use the same style all the time. It takes time to learn and create (and how to create) the styles you want. Not very much time, if you are already familiar with how word processing works in general. As this discussion in the past has indicated. Create the styles you want/need and then remove all the styles in your imported document and apply your new styles. What do you do if you don't use the same styles between documents? You want to do something unique. Just do something unique, any way you wish. You can either do your unique thing through direct formatting or through created styles or a mixture of both, whatever you want. Styles are great for businesses that have and want to work with set standards. Reveal codes are better for the one time only people (like me). Lack of reveal codes is a deal breaker for some people as well. How many times must it be said ... there are no codes to reveal. The reveal codes macro works in OOo writer by inventing an imaginary system of tokens that might exist if OpenOffice.org did use code tokens internally, a sort of on-the-fly virtual source code. But while reveal codes in Word Perfect, or looking at the Source code for the current web page in a browser, reveals what is *really* underneath the display, any reveal codes mode in OpenOffice can only be an artificial artifact on top of OpenOffice. The same is true of MS Word. But with OpenOffice.org, the source code that produces a document in memory is a at least readable, in XML format. You can rename your output document with the extension .zip, unzip it, and read the files it contains if you have a debugging problem that requires looking at the actual code. But the format is not linear, and accordingly is more complex then the straightforward data stream approach that is WordPerfect, at least on one underlying level. We have people around here that won't use MS Office either because there is no reveal codes. Sigh! I wonder if there are people who won't fly in a helicopter because it has no wings. It would be nice if OOo could provide the best of both worlds. But I am a dreamer. :) Now if I could just get some time to learn how to create custom styles in two minutes or less. Press F11. Select any style in the Stylelist. Right-click. Select "New". Name the style in the custom dialog box that comes up (and ignore all the other fields if you want). You have created a new paragraph style in a second or less. Then just set any of the attributes in any of the tabs to what you want, just as you would do with direct formatting. Select some paragraphs, double-click on the style, and it is applied to those paragraphs. Modify the style, and the paragraphs change accordingly. Very quick, very fast, very intuitive, once you've done it a few times. No worry about why an effect being turned on in one place is being turned off in another. The various paragraph style attribute settings are directly comparable to individual formatting codes that would appear in front of that paragraph in that style in Word Perfect, but they are applied all at once, not in any order. You might think of these attributes as being codes *on* the paragraph instead of being codes *before* the paragraph. And since these settings are visible within each paragraph, by selecting Format -> Paragraph and Format -> Characters for a selected paragraph, you don't have be concerned about some code two pages back that has set something you don't want. What is missing is an indication of any direct formatting that may be subsequently placed on top of underling paragraph styles within the paragraph. If this is messing things up, generally speaking it is at least as fast to select the paragraph, press CTRL-SHIFT-SPACE (or go to Format -> Default formatting) to strip off the extra formatting, and then fix it up directly again as it as it would to attempt to debug by searching through codes in a reveal codes mode. Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: Help - File formats
Alan Colton wrote: Hi, i've written you a email similar earier today this is a continuation... I've opened up some old spreadsheats. when i opened the *.SXC file, agin it opened in my older ver 1.1.0. So I also manualy opened it in ver 2.0.1 and it looks different, most notablely is the mulicell heading which shows in full in the earlier ver , but not in the new ver. This also happens in print preview. Also in the new ver it says Read Only in the window title at the top in brackets. Why? Again it seems like poor backward compatability. I haven't tried Word Pro Documents yet -- am I in for surprises too. See if this is a problem with several files rather than one only. Generally there is no problem with the new version reading older OpenOffice.org files Also the spelling red underlines arn't showing - maybe that's just in setup, but it did say in the setup process that it would import my settings from the old ver to the new. Now I have set check spelling as yoou type in Options, even though it also has a tool button for this which i tried turning on & off. No Change. Also Theosaurrus is greyed out. I am using Australian English - set in options. (I had a similar prob. with the earlier ver which took me ages to fix, but as the program has changes it all looks different - I cant get into language from Tools| Language as it only has hyphenation) Also when i do a manual spell check it always says complete even when I put in deliberate mistakes. Your old settings should be mostly preserved, but your dictionaries and thesauruses would not be copied over, as some of them might have been replaced by newer versions. Use File -> Wizards -> Install new dictionaries... to get the most recent versions for any dictionaries and thesauruses that you want that you don't have. Also, in version 2 language is an attribute of the text, and different portions of your text may have different language attributes. Make sure, once you have your Australian modules installed, that your styles have the proper language settings. You will find this in each paragraph and character style definition under the "Font" tab. Can I download a PDF or document explaining all this. The new formats compared to the old. Why? and how to fix it , or work with this. I do use old files quite a bit. The central site covering the Oasis OpenDocument format is http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/tc_home.php?wg_abbrev=office . This is an independent open format intended for general use as a common format throughout the computer world, supported by a number of dp companies and organizations. See also http://www.consortiuminfo.org/newsblog/blog.php?ID=2105 and http://www.oasis-open.org/news/oasis-news-2006-03-07.php You can download the OpenDocument standard, and various other Oasis standards from http://www.oasis-open.org/specs/index.php#opendocumentv1.0 The specification for the OpenOffice.org XML file format used for version 1 releases of OpenOffice.org is available at http://xml.openoffice.org/ Again, normally there are no problems with the new versions reading and writing the older file types. Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: I need help
davina wrote: I use openoffice 1.1.4 recently when i save a document, it saves as a file. it used to save as a documant, but know it is saved as a file and I don't know how to make it go back to the way it was. I really need your help It is not clear to me what your problem is from your explanation. If you mean that your saved document file now has the file suffix .file on the end, this is a bug that has come up occasionally. A fix that has worked is to go to File -> Save As and click on the box labeled "Automatic File Extension" so that it is checked. Documents already saved with the extension .file can be fixed by renaming the file so that it has the correct extension, that is .sxw or .sxc and so forth, depending on what type of file it is. If this is not your problem, it is possible that your problem might be best fixed by the brute force method of downloading and installing the newest version of OpenOffice.org from http://download.openoffice.org/2.0.2/index.html . Since you seem not to be subscribed to this newsgroup, a copy of this post is being sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please provide further information or comments only to the address users@openoffice.org Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: French Language Spell Check for Open Office
Tom MacIsaac wrote: I was wondering if you had a french language module for Openoffice? I have recently switched to your software and as a french, math and technology teacher I need a french spell checker for the software. Suggestions? ( I aready have a paper dictionary, haha) Love the software and I am spreading the word, my colleagues are leaving the dark side in droves. To just the French dictionaries and thesaurus in your English version, go to File -> Wizards... -> Install New Dictionaries ... Select the language you want the wizard to use, then follow the instructions. (It's likely to make some silly noises about wanting to upgrade the wizard, asking you to place the new version in a folder, and then not be able to find it, but then jumps past this idiocy and provides you with access to lists of dictionaries.} If you want an entire French version, language packs are available which allow you to turn on and turn off French menus and help files and so forth. Or you an just download a French version. However the non-English language packs and releases for version 2.0.2 are not yet available. You may be able to find information at http://fr.openoffice.org/ about when the 2.0.2 version and 2.0.2 language pack is likely to be ready. Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: Downloads
Carol Wilkey wrote: I want to download openoffice and I am trying to enter all of the required information. I dont know what to click on when asks for a download site...there are several for the USA... I am in WI, can you please advise me? It really doesn't matter which site you choose. Having several download sites just distributes the load. A lot of software is distributed from sites of this kind. People tend to choose the site that seems more-or-less nearest to them as more-or-less the most likely to be fastest. If the download doesn't work from one site ... maybe the site is down ... then select another. As you appear not to be subscribed to this newsgroup, I am sending a copy of this post to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please send any further posts only to users@openoffice.org Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: installing OpenOffice on another drive?
heidi stewart wrote: Can we install OpenOffice onto a drive other than C? Sure. Just choose Custom Install when asked by the installer. Since you appear not to be subscribed to this newsgroup, a copy of this post is being sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please send any further posts only to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: OO Writer
Tom Pendleton wrote: Not surprizingly, the Outlook Express 6 e-mail operation did not operate. I am constantly amazed that Sun and other reputable groups are associated with Open Office, which has so many drawbacks that it makes MS Word look good! If you don't like OpenOffice and don't like MS Word, is there any Word Processor you do like? If so, then of course you can use it. Yet perhaps you just need to become more familiar with OpenOffice to see its virtues. Almost all complex applications have a learning curve and most of us have been frustrated by new applications that won't do things exactly they way we want think they should be done. Help is basically helpless, and rarely tells the reader what to do. When it does, it is often wrong or at least ineffectual. OOo Help is sometimes over concise. But I have often used it to my profit. I will return to this point later. Here are two of the most basic questions, which I cannot find answers to. 1) How do I set the margins? The instructions in Help do not help, not only because they are quite vague, but what they do say to do does not work. (I go into Format, Page, and set the margins, but it has no effect on the document.) Format -> Page is effects only the current page (or currently selected pages), not the entire document, unless you have previously selected the entire document. "Page" means Page formatting, not entire "Document" formatting, unless you first select your entire document. OOo Writer is not so primitive as to force the same margins or page settings on an entire document. A more structured solution is to press F11 to bring up the StyleList, select the fourth icon on the Stylelist toolbar, select the "Default" page style, right-click, select "Modify" and change the margins there. Also, the current page style appears in the second display box in the status bar at the bottom of an OOo Writer window. Right-clicking on that box provides a list of available pages from which you can select a different Page Style which will be immediately apply to the current page or to the selected pages. Double-clicking on the Page Style box brings up the dialog box for modifying the current page style, including setting margins. You can create a new default template with the "Default" page style margin settings as you prefer and all future new documents will have the "Default" page style set to those same margin settings. Similarly you can change the margins and other features in the other page styles and include those changes in your default template. 2) How do I change the default font away from the awful, extremely outdated, Times New Roman? No matter what I do, that repulsive typeface keep reappearing as the default. I am ready to eliminate it from my list of fonts, if that is the only way to end its domination of the default. Go to Tools -> Options -> OpenOffice.org Writer -> Basic Fonts (Western) to change default Writer fonts at the top level of the style hierarchy. Changes made here will cascade down. You can also change them in the Stylelist (accessed via F11). Selecting the first item provides a list of paragraph styles and selecting "Hierarchical" in the list box at the foot of the Stylelist shows clearly the current style hierarchy so that you can see which styles are likely to be affected by any change that you make to a style higher in the hierarchy. The top level paragraph styles are the same paragraph styles listed in Tools -> Options -> OpenOffice.org Write -> Basic Fonts (Western). Both of these questions are so basic, yet have proven impossible for me to answer, that it shows how non-intuitive and difficult to use your product is. There are not hundreds of people posting these same problems. On the other hand, people, including myself, sometimes have odd difficulties with the most trivial matters. A difficulty many new users of OOo Writer have is that they skip over anything to do with styles in the help and documentation, as non-essential, as a complexity avoided by them up to know whenever they have encountered it. Unfortunately for this kind of thinking, OOo Writer is very style-based in the way it is set up. And generally, non-style based word processing, web-publishing, and hard-publishing is today mostly considered as clunky and out-of-date as you consider the Times New Roman font to be. You can, if you wish, provide constructive commentary on the Help files at the main OpenOffice.org site, entering bug comments on the help files, making clear what you found confusing. It is often difficult for someone who knows something well to understand what might confuse a newcomer and constructive criticism is usually appreciated. Since you appear not to be subscribed to this newsgroup, a copy of this post is being se
[users] Re: not even able to make it work
Fabienne Montouchet wrote: Hello, I have tried 2 times to download ooo (2.0 version) and finally cannot even open it. A few troubles encountered : I have downloaded the application, decompressed, successfully installed. But when I tried to open an application, launching is stopped. I have tried to reinstalled, to fix several time, finally start again the whole procedure et still nothing after having spent hours on it. I'm not very happy with open office. When I used to have version 1.0, it was so slow to open ... And now I had some hope that with a 2.0 version it could be improved but no success. Any suggestion before I become mad ?> Your post does not indicate what system you are trying to run OOo on, or exactly what your problem is? Does the install finish? If not, what is the last thing you see? If it does finish, how are you trying to open the application? What exactly happens when you try? OpenOffice.org not opening is a very uncommon problem so there is no pat answer. Precise details are needed as to what is happened with the version you downloaded on your particular system before anyone can help you. Since you appear not to be subscribed to this mailing list, a copy of this post is being sent directly to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please reply only to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: How to make Dbase-Files for Open Office?
Wolfgang wrote: * How can I make a dbase-File with Open Office 2.0? Use Calc, the OpenOffice.org spreadsheet module, and go to File -> Save As. In the dialog box that appears, in the "Save as Type" list box, choose "dBASE (dbf)". Calc also reads dBASE files, but will truncate any dBASE file containing more than 65,564 records. * Can I use both Version of Open Office (Open Office 1.1.5 and Open Office 2.0.2) on my PC? Yes. For normal use they will not interfere with one another. As you appear not to be subscribed to this newsgroup, a copy of this post is being sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please send any responses or further comments only to users@openoffice.org Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: Have Open Office 2.0 should I download 2.0.2?
Jody or Terry Halton wrote: I am a novice. I recently downloaded 2.0 Because I was having trouble with others not being able to open my attachments, I visited your website and discovered I have to figure out a new way to save my files. In the mean time, I noticed the most current version is 2.0.2 Do I need to upgrade from 2.0 to 2.0.2? If so, do I need to unistall 2.0, or will the 2.0.2 downloading process take care of that? You must send your attachments in formats that those who receive them can read. Currently there are not a great number of applications who support the Oasis OpenDocument format that OpenOffice.org uses. If you intend you documents to be read only, then your best choice is probably to go to File -> Export as PDF..., as PDF files are viewable by almost all computer users through Adobe Acrobat Reader or some other PDF viewer. If you want people to be able to edit your documents, then you should use file "Save As..." to translate them into a format that they can use. For example, if you are sending an OpenOffice.org Writer document to someone who has Microsoft Word installed, saving it to an MS Word format would be a good choice. When saving or reading to and from non-native formats, sometimes information and layout is not entirely converted. But most documents convert fine. You certainly do not *need* to upgrade to version 2.0.2. However, as this is the most recent stable version, you may wish to do so for that reason. On installation, by default, version 2.0.2 will overwrite version 2.0, but will retain your current 2.0 settings. As you appear not be subscribed to this newsgroup, a copy of this post is being sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any further questions or comments, please respond only to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jallan Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: Uninstall question?
Millers wrote: I originally had OOo_1.1.4, then updated to 1.1.5, then to 2.0. I like the suite aspect of 2.0, and so just downloaded 2.0.2. (I haven't installed it yet) How do I uninstall the older versions, and will I have any problems? I used the Windows Add or Remove programs in XP on 1.1.4, and it took it out of my start menu and disabled it but did not get rid of the file folder and contents from my program files. If I delete the folder will that be a problem. I looked through the FAQ's and Forum and did not find an answer. The uninstallation leaves behind folders containing some configuration files as well as backup files of your documents as well as your templates. This allows users to uninstall and install again without losing templates, backup files, and the settings they prefer and is a normal procedure of many applications. You can remove these folders and files without harm if there is nothing in them you wish to retain. Versions 2.0.2 will by default install on top of version 2.0, in the same folders and will use the same settings. So for most users in most circumstances, the folders are best left as is. But there likely to be little reasons, at this time, in your retaining any Version 1 folders. As you appear not to be subscribed to this newsgroup, a copy of this post is being sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have an responses or further comments, please address them only to users@openoffice.org Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: Download 2.0.2, which one?
Gregory L. Forster wrote: When I went to download 2.0.2, I was asked, which one? Should I download the one with jre, or without jre? Does that mean that the one with jre means that it comes with jre, or that it's for computer that have jre already installed? I downloaded both, but am curious as to which one I want. See http://download.openoffice.org/2.0.2/java.html "JRE" means the version for downloading includes JRE, not that it is for an OS which has JRE already installed. This is indeed not clear. Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: [moderated]
Vinda Sund wrote: Hello, ] I just joined & want to download. I have Windows XP. When I started to download, I was asked: with or without JRE. I don't know what JRE stands for. Please advise. JRE refers to a Java Realtime Environment which is necessary for some of the OpenOffice.org functions, notably those connected with database to work. Most of OpenOffice.org works fine without it. Reasons you mightn't want JRE downloaded would be a severe shortage of disk space, no interest in any of the OpenOffice.org functions that it enables, you already have it and don't want another version, you hate the idea of Java, ... As recommended on on the download page, for most people downloading the JRE version is the best choice. If you don't know whether or not you already have JRE on your system, then you almost certainly don't. Since you appear not to be subscribed to this newsgroup, a copy of this posting is being forwarded to [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have comments on further questions, please reply only to users@openoffice.org Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: Printer Problem
G. Roderick Singleton wrote: On Sun, 2006-03-05 at 16:22 -0800, Gil Weber wrote: I am trying to print 1 (one) page. That is the entire spread sheet. Can not get the printer settings to print it in landscape. Have tried about everything it says under format and printer selection. It wants to take 4 pages to print and the font is too large. Have change the font size but still does not change the print font size. Hope some one can give me the answer. Thanks in advance for your help. Gil Weber Try selecting only the cells that contain the data you wish to print. You are on the right track by setting the printer to landscape and I will guess that you have also changed the page settings to landscape as well. using Format > Page. Selecting the cells you want printed is called a range. For details see Help > Contents > Index > Search term > print area selection and you might find that the section in the user guide near or at page 240 entitled "Printing or Exporting Spreadsheets" useful. You can get the guide from http://documentation.openoffice.org/manuals/index.html Some further comments: Changing the font size is usually not the best way to make a spreadsheet fit. Go to File -> Page Preview. See what's wrong. Click on "Page" in the toolbar. In the tab "Sheet" you will find a setting called "Scaling Factor". There is an option in the "Scaling Factor" drop down box to "Print range(s) on number of pages". If you select this then to the right will appear options to set the number of horizontal pages and vertical pages to 1 each. This will *force* your printout to one page, regardless of the amount of data you are printing. The rest is making it look good. Click OK. If not satisfied with the appearance in the preview, you can again click on "Page" and in the "Page" tab also set narrower margins to somewhat increase the size of the characters. Getting back to the spreadsheet itself, it often helps with wide spreadsheets to set the font to something like "Arial Narrow" or "Helvetica Condensed". A condensed/narrow typeface gets more columns into the same area for the height of the font. When you get it right in the Page Preview, it should print the same on your printer. Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: technical query
JGD wrote: Dear Open Office team, I have two questions, when using Writer, how do I center the document on the screen regardless of zoom? There is no way to accomplish this for specific zoom sizes. However the View -> Zoom -> Optimal setting and the Page Width setting will always center the page horizontally in the page view port of the current window regardless of window size. This is especially useful if you have the Stylelist docked, as with both these settings the page will shrink to allow all text to remain visible when you call it up. Personally, I seldom use anything but Optimal (for normal work) and 200% for occasional close inspection. will IBM's ViaVoice 10 Pro work with Open Office? I don't know. I know that NeoOffice, a sort of fork of OpenOffice for the Macintosh, supports ViaVoice. See http://bugzilla.neooffice.org/bug.php?op=print&bugid=24 See also "OpenOffice.org today is not well supported by the two main products for Microsoft Windows - IBM ViaVoice and Dragon Naturally Speaking." This was found at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accessibility_in_OpenDocument . Apparently at least some people are using it with OpenOffice.org without great difficulty. See http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=14358 . As you seem not be subscribed to this newsgroup, a copy of this response is being sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please send any reply or further comments to the newsgroup only, to users@openoffice.org Jallan my regards to all at Open Office, John Dixon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: Hosting openoffice
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Sir/Madam, I am from Citrix hosting company and some of our clients would like to use your software. Can I made available to them or will I be breaking the law ? Thank you and regards michael maung website: http://virintec.com You may give away or even sell OpenOffice.org. See http://www.openoffice.org/license.html . You and everyone are already licensed to use and distribute OpenOffice.org freely and you are encouraged to distribute it freely. If you have any further questions or a response to this posting, please send your comments only to users@openoffice.org . Since you appear not to be subscribed to this mailing list, a copy of this post is also being sent to you directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: Calc save as/ export problem
Shane Johnson wrote:
I could use some help please.
I am trying to mimic something I did all the time in Excel and need
to do in Calc. I need to export a calc file as a space delimited text
file with the column width set at:
Column 1 22 Characters
Column 2 1 Character
Column 3 5 Characters
I have searched the mail archives and can't find anything on this. I
have tried save as a CSV files and formatting it as fixed width but I
can't get it to work right. With Excel I would just get the data into
the columns I needed and then size the columns by the number of
characters that I needed in the column and then export it to a space
delimited file. Please let me know the best way to do this. If I need
to use something besides inches for the measurement of the column width
I can do that but I need to know how to figure out how to do it. I
appreciate your help.
Shane
As your own experience and attempts by others to help have indicated,
OOo Calc does not do this well at all. I recall trying this once many
months ago and giving up in disgust. (On the other hand, Excel does this
will but stupidly uses that current display width of columns to
calculate to maximum number of characters in a field when exporting to a
database file.)
But there is an entirely different brute force approach.
I am assuming that the data for column 1 is in Column A in the
spreadsheet, the data for column 2 is in Column B in the spreadsheet,
and the data for column 3 is in column C in the spreadsheet.
Accordingly, in cell D1 place the following formula:
=LEFT(A1 & REPT(" ";22);22) & LEFT(B1 & " ";1) & LEFT(C1 & REPT(" ";5);5)
Propagate this formula into the corresponding formulas down column D.
Each cell in column D now evaluates to the text record you wish to
create. So manually select the data in column D down to its last row.
copy the selected area, paste it into a text editor, and save it under
whatever name you wish.
You can also paste it into OOo Writer and save from there as text,
provided you use "Paste Special" (or CTRL-SHIFT-V) and select
"Unformatted text". Setting the font to a fixed-width font like Courier
or Courier New and using CTRL-F10 to make the line-ends visible gives
easy verification that everything is lined up as it should be.
A macro could be written to do the copying, pasting into OOo Writer and
the subsequent saving.
Jallan
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[users] Re: spellchecker dictionary OO-writer
Steve Gwynne wrote: Everytime I use spellchecker it always defaults to Eng-USA despite changing all the setting in tools>options>language and writing aids to Eng-UK. Whilst using spellchecker I can change to Eng-UK but it changes back to ENG-USA everytime I go to a new word. Also Eng-Uk is ticked so dictionary is installed. How frustrating and otherwise the software is great. The list box under Tools -> Options -> Language Settings -> Writing Aids -> Edit is a key to the large window below, allowing you to see modules and sub-modules available for the language selected in the list box and to turn those modules and sub-modules on or off. The only reason English (USA) always appears here when you enter this dialog box is because it happens to be the first language in the list in the list box, not because this dialog box is setting the language. Language in an OOo document is set as part of styles in OpenOffice.org. You are probably attempting to spell check in documents where the Default paragraph style and some or all other styles have the language attribute of "English (USA)" rather than "English (UK)". Press F11 to bring up the StyleList. Select "Default" from the list, right-click it, select "Modify", select the "Font" tab, and change the language setting for that style to "English (UK)". This should mostly cascade down to other styles. (You can check for any other styles you are using.) If you have been doing direct formatting, you may also have to select your entire document (via CTRL-A), select Format -> Character -> Font and set the language to English (UK) here also. To set things up properly, create a new blank document, set the language to "English (UK)" under Tools -> Options -> Language Settings -> Languages, and then set the Default paragraph style as outlined above, if it is not already so set. Also check the character styles in the Stylelist under the A icon in the Stylelist, then do File -> Templates -> Save, giving it suitable name for your normal template, such as Normal-Writer or Default-Writer or some such. Next go to File -> Templates -> Organize, find your template under "My Templates", select it, right-click, and choose "Set As Default Template". All new documents will now be created from that template with any style settings you have saved to it, including language settings. Of course documents not created by yourself may have different language attributes assigned to text or documents you have previously created by have other language attributes assigned to some or all of the text. Please send any response or further questions you might have only to the mailing list users@openoffice.org As you seem not be subscribed to this mailing list, a copy of this post is also being sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[users] Re: [moderated] YOU MUST GIVE A SUMMARY HERE
ODery wrote: a.. I am trying apply to the background word 'draft' to each page of a word document as it prints. Please tell me how. One way is to create a graphic of the word "draft". (You can do this in OOo Draw and then export it as a tiff or in some other normal graphic format.) Then select the entire text document, go to Insert -> Section... -> Background, set the "As" field to "Graphic", browse to find and load your graphic. Your graphic appear as the background graphic on every page in the section, which in this case is your entire document. a.. I need to make changes to a word document. Is there a way to track those changes on the document? OpenOffice.org Write will convert any change tracking in an MS Word file and export it back with any further revisions or notes that you have made. Press F1 to get the help file, and under "Index" look for "changes" for more details. If you wish to post a response to this message, please send your response only to users@openoffice.org . Since you seem not to be subscribed to this list, a copy of this message is being sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Jallan - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
